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[slim citrus]

so it's only dark threats

https://pokepast.es/d897ab86e65c4ef8 this seems good

twin beam will be good for sashed sneaslers too

[jade dirge]

looks much better

[slim citrus]

honestly gonna build this on my actual champ save, it seems like it's gonna be a lot of fun

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/f2feeb8907ea45b1

How's this

[ripe turret]

surely there's a different mon that matches up well into those two

a9 does well there I think

also just your own scarf garchomp is good

[jade dirge]

I did use scarf a9 on another team

That got to 1656 at the start of the season

But i dont know if i want it here

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/d3596724b1baf66c
mega audino with the meta and skeledirge

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant trellis]

Mega audino

[sleek laurel]

If you haven't been missing Kowtow on Gambit? This comp looks fine beyond the two mons but like

If we're not supposed to say "replace them" there isn't much to change ig

[zinc imp]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

Just see if you don't miss Kowtow on gambit more than other moves you currently have

Also what does the Gambit spread hit

25 / 9

I think if I'm running Chople I actually do 32 / 25+ / 9 (as opposed to 25 / 32+ / 9) because 25+ is actually a jump point and the extra bulk is really valuable for actually taking stray Fighting-type moves

But this is like, obscenely minor

[zinc imp]

k

[zinc imp]

also uh
how do i counter chomp

[sleek laurel]

Kill it with Bascu/Aero's Tailwind stuff but it's tough still

[zinc imp]

replace dirge for smth else

maybe

[sleek laurel]

Yeah that's the easiest line

Could be like Incin if you still want a Fire-type

Which actually helps into chomp as a support piece due to Intimidate and Fake Out allowing Bascu to end its life

If you don't want a Fire type

Probably WispTom then

[zinc imp]

whats tha

[sleek laurel]

Will-O-Wisp Rotom-Wash

With Sitrus Berry

[zinc imp]

aight

[lethal marsh]

https://pokepast.es/0094a4a3983dcc21
Help with my current champions team?
I think Im lacking special attackers and maybe a more solid defensive core (rn at masterball 3)

Also garchomp has rogue skin I forgot to change it

[ripe turret]

honestly this looks fine, all of your physical attackers is OK because you have kg and white herb sneas to discourage incin

I’d say change that washtom set, go wisp>eweb and protect>volt switch

[lethal marsh]

Sure, thanks

[ripe turret]

looks like you might’ve had scarf on it before

you’re also missing 2 points on froslass and sneas

[lethal marsh]

It was indeed for a different team, I had wisp before but I switched it for thunderbolt

[ripe turret]

not the biggest deal in the world but it could come up

[ripe turret]

ok yeah that makes sense

[lethal marsh]

So no need for more special attackers?

[ripe turret]

not really

[lethal marsh]

Awesome

[ripe turret]

don’t think there’s a huge issue with anything there

like I said, kg + sneas discourage intimidate, and you can burn maggron

that’s really the only physical wall rn

[lethal marsh]

I thought about using whimsicott but I already have froslass and the only relevant fighting type is sneasler

[ripe turret]

yeah that’s not necessary here

aero is better to fix your mu into zard sun

[lethal marsh]

True
I usually always lead garchomp but since they always switch their zard, having aero in the back or keeping garchomp in the back is pretty useful

[ripe turret]

yeah and it also lets you threaten tailwind in front of a defensive play

[lethal marsh]

Mhm
Thanks a lot for the help!!

[ripe turret]

ofc

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/12a40d67304e8e11
haven't tried this team yet, honestly for how quick I made it I think it looks pretty solid to me, looking for suggestions before I can take it for a spin

[broken shuttle]

i’m not really convinced on gallade on this, additionally bringing rotom heat on rain feels rather odd to me

i think generally you’d get more value out of a scarf adaptability basculegion and a good support mon like sneasler

[fathom token]

that'd be some major changes

I'll try that separately

basc doesn't seem bad tho yeah I could go for that

[viral wraith]

https://pokepast.es/a8e5ff4dea96dd9c

rate this hard tr

[unkempt mango]

https://pokepast.es/fdef77c7d1958ac4

I’ve been using this team ever since I got champions and made it up to Master 3 with it (ofc adjusting it along the way a lot as I got more pokemon) and this is what I’ve settled on for a while. But recently I’ve kinda just hit a wall and it doesn’t feel as good as it used to. I’m not super experienced with teambuilding, so is there any better pokemon/items/moves I could be using for this sand team?

[ripe turret]

mega ttar without ddance seems odd

especially since you have a lot of support structures to get it online

also not the biggest fan of lefties incin

and you certainly don’t need protect on it

washtom is also a bit weird, if pain split has been working for you then it’s fine ig but I’d still rather have protect there

what I’d do is swap rotom/incin’s items

also lum aegi is a bit odd since you’re never leading that into venuzard anyways

you can just do like

spell tag or smth

because ttar exca destroys the sun duo already anyways

[unkempt mango]

Yeah Lum is more for Burns and also because I just didn’t know what other item to give it with the rest of the team already taking everything else (Aegi was my most recent addition to help with Sneasler + Mega Floette + spread moves in general)

I never considered Ddance Ttar. I could just be playing it wrong and need to adjust but I feel like I barely have time to do anything with Ttar as is. There’s so many fighting type moves going around that I’m basically protecting every other turn with it and switching just so it doesn’t get one shot

[unkempt mango]

Also yeah now that I think about itI have been feeling the absence of Protect on Rotom, this makes sense

[finite bridge]

https://pokepast.es/fe0967f835f1694d
My attempt at a perish trap team

[dull mantle]

https://pokepast.es/85312b6672e4eea5 Toughts on my rain team? ( i know its missing Evs btw)

[ripe turret]

yeah you just gotta leverage your fake out + redirection, it is difficult to get set up but if you do it’s very strong

it’s good for punishing passive play where you don’t have much to otherwise

[sleek laurel]

Looks good, how's Pult been treating you?

You'll see that I always ask this for niche but viable mons lol

I'm tryna think of any meta threats that give you a hard time but I don't see many rn

The only thing I'd personally change is like

Scarf Adapt Bascu even in Rain

But ur omega committed to Rain anyway so this team can get away with Swift Swim, I just often feel like it makes your Last Respects damage output worse at 150

I do like this a lot tho

Js tell me if you struggle w any bigger threats

[dull mantle]

its my favorite mon so basically ive been trying to put him in any team i find and try it out

im currently testing a pult tailroom team also

[sleek laurel]

Lmao fair

Lowkey I like it here because it helps w Milotic as well

Which is like

The main threat I'm looking at that ur gonna have a hard time dealing with

[dull mantle]

i was between willow wisp or thunder, but the latter clearly helps me more against that one and rain mirror matches

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/e827df959445c4a7 champions vgc

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat estuary]

team hates water types thought scarf tsareena could work over chomp but it didnt go well

[jade dirge]

hey guys, im hitting a wall rn

ive got to 1700 w this team, but then i started winning games on and off

is it a team prob or a gameplay prob?

https://pokepast.es/0f75d82dd91fe444

[sharp eagle]

does anyone have suggestions or actual spreads for this team? it's a tailroom team using slow floette as a carry. runerigus as tr setter plays like dusclops used to, and i have psychic on floette after getting walled by venu twice
https://pokepast.es/10baf20e43973dce

[daring fable]

Thoughts on what the EV's should be here for this team? https://pokepast.es/194fb054afb20c73

[lethal marsh]

I actually need help coming up with a way to have a good matchup against archaludon + sableye lead I've seen popping up
Only play I have is leading with sneasler and froslass and double up archaludon turn 1 (ko is guaranteed even if sableye set up any of the screens)
But if archaludon protects then sableye can set up 2 screens for free unless I start running throat chop I think
And even then idk if it gets the ko

It doesn't 💔 💔 💔

Only way is if they go with rain dance turn 1

[bronze ether]

whats a good tyranitar set

[gritty frost]

ive been obsessed with trying to make the family of mice work outside of just being a friend guard + follow me bot. i was messing around with gravity hypnosis and stuff since it felt very potentially useful, but ultimately i found it to be too costly to have to use gravity to let maus have full accurate popbomb nukes. i was getting mogged by fakeouts and such, and garchomp is a big problem for the maus, so tsareena felt like a natural inclusion. i also found hydrapple to be the least costly way to ensure pop bomb is always hitting 10 times, and it additionally helps tsareena ohko garchomp, as well as beating basc and being alright into kingambit. i think the main things im debating is my tailwind user, its kinda between talonflame, aerodactyl and hydreigon, all have their strenghts but also real weaknesses i dont know if i can handle and also the main structural issue with forcing the mice is that i cant run them without hydrapple, unless i wanna gamble.

https://pokepast.es/0381085bb1b1078f

im still a mausbeliever. the power of family. but im wondering if i need to take it in a different direction. maybe drop bite, it isnt doing much, i could run follow me and use them for a noble cause in some matchups.

[sleek laurel]

I think ur trying to build too much around Maus, the way I would approach this is just

Use it as an offensive Redirector as opposed to just a Redirector

Pocket Ogerpon

It's a bit worse off as a Redirector due to the lack of Friend Guard but it's still a viable mon in its own right and it does do big amounts of damage overall

I think I do this with like CM Floette and then just Incin Sneasler Gambit Bascu probably, but could also be a different setup mega if you don't have Floette/are playing on cart @gritty frost (setup megas are good for this)

Sorry should've probably pinged from the start

You can also tweak the balance core a little bit, such as with Aerodactyl (which just pairs nicely w these teams), but offensive Maus + Incin is just good

In this kinda team

Esp because Incin's Intimidate + Calm Mind helps make up a bit for the lack of Friend Guard

And once you get that out of the way there's genuine merit to running offensive

Which is well

Damage
LOL

(Don't get me wrong bulky is still better, but there's merit to this at least and it's viable anyhow)

[gritty frost]

atp shouldnt i just run super fang + friend guard? like no way im clicking raw popbomb and just praying right?

[sleek laurel]

That is the objectively best option, but you said you didn't want to go for it

[gritty frost]

i dont have floette but i see

[jade dirge]

Lowkey, you could switch your mega to blastoise or croc

[sleek laurel]

You can try stuff like Xard or Toise

Toise can also work w Farig but then you want Friend Guard even more

[jade dirge]

That way you have a better time against mega delphox

[sleek laurel]

Im gonna get to all teams throughout the hour btw

[gritty frost]

wat abt croc pelipper or is that overkill

[sleek laurel]

I've seen pop bomb Maus but I honestly think without Wide Lens

It's a bit gambly

[jade dirge]

Overkill for the original goal

[sleek laurel]

Its viable but

Just gambly

[jade dirge]

Switch it for white herb

[sleek laurel]

Like I wouldn't bring it to a Swiss/Cut event out of fear of missing

[jade dirge]

Its too weak after intim

[gritty frost]

yea thats why ive been tryna find ways to make it more accurate

[sleek laurel]

Pop Bomb would run wlens

Every time if its there

[gritty frost]

i really like the concept of the move, and with no rocky helmet i think its probably the only time it has a chance to be decent

[sleek laurel]

Like no questions asked

[sleek laurel]

The move was good-ish in Reg H

[jade dirge]

No, for his team rn i mean

[sleek laurel]

Hell we all saw Baltimore

[sleek laurel]

Oh amog

[jade dirge]

I would say switch ss for white herb

[gritty frost]

i mean

[sleek laurel]

Herb would probs be on Sneasler but its not taken yes

[gritty frost]

just for incin?

[jade dirge]

Maus is just too weak if your running friend guard

[jade dirge]

Arcanine too

[sleek laurel]

No this is tech

Friend Guard is the better option but we're trying not to build w it

[gritty frost]

with gambit tsareena i feel my opp is pretty dissuaded from bringing intimidate

[jade dirge]

Ohhhh, ic

[sleek laurel]

Gambit helps a lot yea

[jade dirge]

True

Then you can silk scarf in that case

[sleek laurel]

You can try dd croc or xard or smash toise too, pelipper is overkill for croc still

Then you do gambit, tsar/farig

Incin

And something

[gritty frost]

i thought bout farig but i feel like it lacks presence

[sleek laurel]

It does

It's good with Toise due to Trick Room options

With Croc I think I rather Tsar to some extent

Not sure

[jade dirge]

You need smth to deal w gambit and mulotic

[sleek laurel]

Good eye yea

Sneasler prob

[gritty frost]

hydrapple no joke can 1v1 kingambit with body press

its funny

[sleek laurel]

Hydrapple is a funny mon but it just overlaps w Tsareena and is kinda too slow

Altho

[gritty frost]

and it beats basc

so it felt hype

[sleek laurel]

It gives you a better time into Milo

[gritty frost]

yea and that

[sleek laurel]

Because Tsareena can lowkey lose to it

Because Trop Kick

Gives it a Nasty Plot boost

And with Recover you can maybe lose outright

[gritty frost]

ah, true

i didnt even think bout that

[sleek laurel]

Another option

Is Wisp Washtom

Or Heatom too

But Heatom loses to Milo

It just does better into Gambit

I think I js do Sneasler personally

[gritty frost]

i used to have like scarf rotom heat on this team a while ago when i still had some weird mega gengar hypnosis stuff and was using prankster gravity sableye

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[gritty frost]

that team suckedddd it was pure burnt cooking

[sleek laurel]

Lmao real

Gravity just lasts too little to ever be worth it

If it was 7 turns it would be a MOVE

Even 5 helps but 4 is just trolling

But anyway

[gritty frost]

also no mon that clicks gravity can really utilize it themselfs

[gritty frost]

i think 1 thing that would make it viable is if it doubled weight

so it like boosted low kick and grass knot

[sleek laurel]

To some extent yeah but rn thats just tmonning

Anyhow

I think I like the croc tsar incin sneasler gambit maus idea, it gives you double fake out and good offensive presence

For Maus if you wanna run offensive, pop bomb follow me tect + some move (low kick or bite w tech)

Low Kick probably because Kingambit is a more consistent "solo" Dark-type attacker than Sneasler is a Fighting-type

[gritty frost]

prolly low kick i feel like i never click bite

yea

[sleek laurel]

As in, it's way harder for Dark-weak mons to beat Gambit than

Yeah you get it LOL

[gritty frost]

yeah alright thanks ill look into it

[sleek laurel]

Np

Ima get some food and then get to the other teams, ping if anything

There were so many teams overnight 😭

@wheat estuary @jade dirge @sharp eagle @daring fable @lethal marsh please reply to this message if you still need rating and I'll be here in 20 minutes, just bc this night's been so clogged LMAO

I'll get to all of you if y'all do dw but just so I know who's here

[gritty frost]

appreciate it, enjoy your grub

[sleek laurel]

Np!

[bronze ether]

can i mega beedrill be viable

like with a redirectioner

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/ac96c58d1a5af90f thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jade dirge]

Sure, id like some advice if it doesnt inconvenience you

[sleek laurel]

Sure, lemme be here in 5 mins

[sleek laurel]

I'm not a fan of your Ninetales

Double Mega + Double Weather leaves very little choice in regards to which mons to bring to each game

It can work with extremely refined play, but sometimes a team that's just ridiculously hard to use isn't the best call

I think I would replace it for a pivot like Incineroar or something like Sinistcha and give Floette Calm Mind > Draining Kiss

Unboosted Draining Kiss just doesn't do enough and this team is more offensive, the healing isn't all that good

I think Incineroar is the better option too, with Fake Out, Throat Chop, Parting Shot and Protect

The good thing with this is that it can also set you up for a strong Perish Song line

By Protecting Incineroar and Gengar both in the first turn after Perish Song

Switching Gengar out into something and Parting Shotting to bring it back in immediately in the second turn

Protecting both again in the third, with both your counters having been reset, and profit

[icy swan]

Any advice on making this rain team stronger? I am considering swapping politoed for pelliper with tail wind but don’t know what a good replacement for dragonite would be

[dull mantle]

https://pokepast.es/4a9f3840db18a567

My attempt at a Rain/Tailroom team

[icy swan]

If you are going to be using tailwind and trick room you might benefit from not having max speed investment on most of your pokemon. Instead use those points to make them bulkier by either raising health, defense or special defense respectively.

[icy swan]

Politoed is supposed to be holding a quick claw in the post i made

[daring fable]

I'm down

[sleek laurel]

Back, sorry was dealing with some maths work

[daring fable]

No worries

[sleek laurel]

I think the team in general needs some Pokémon changes and set changes beyond EVs for competitive optimization, do you want me to help you remake/update the full team or really just want EVs?

I can work with either anyway, but there are 2-3 mons that need changing and a few set updates if you wanna make this team optimal

[daring fable]

I'd like to make it optimal honestly.

[sleek laurel]

Sure, lemme see properly then

https://pokepast.es/194fb054afb20c73 will copypaste this here so I can keep the team upfront without pinging every rater (Chatot ignores us)

First things first, Sinistcha should probably be a Chlorophyll Venusaur - it's a stronger and faster Grass-type for the explosive nature of Sun teams and offers reliable Grass-type offense beyond Charizard's Solar Beam

Umbreon should be a Kingambit - it's just an objectively better Dark-type really

And Hatterene should be a Whimsicott - you want Tailwind support more often than Trick Room and it offers Encore to deter Protect users from stalling out Sun turns, as well as Sunny Day to win Weather wars against Rain or, even worse, Sand

Also, Garganacl, while it can stay, should run Recover > Rock Slide or just be a Milotic (either way tho the healing is super nice for such a bulky support piece)

Charizard should run Weather Ball > Air Slash because it actually does the same damage to resisted targets as Air Slash to neutrals, but it's a MUCH stronger Single Target attack in a vacuum should you need it

Sneasler is fine as is if you get mileage out of Upper Hand, it's also good to pair with Whimsicott in that case to assure Tailwind goes up

I'll slam this in a paste for you with some EV changes

[daring fable]

I appreciate it. Though it feels like I just turned in a rough draft of an essay and it got torn apart by my teacher lol

[sleek laurel]

Lmao, don't worry about it

Usually when a newer player brings in teams with less viable Pokémon but a viable idea, I like to concretize the idea with more severe changes that at least remain true to the core

https://pokepast.es/68455347ed565d6c

One small thing, Sneasler had Pressure as its ability which I assume was a misinput (Unburden with White Herb is way better) and Charizard wants Blaze as its base ability

The reason is that you're never going to attack with Charizard outside of its Mega Forme, but in the universe where you switch it in, or Protect it outside of its Mega forme, against opposing Sun teams (possibly to stall out the final turn of Sun before Mega Evolving to reset all five), you don't take Solar Power recoil for free lol

If you have any questions or still just want me to patch the old version of the team for fun, let me know as well!

[daring fable]

I appreciate all the help honestly.

Cause in all honesty I really do enjoy the team building proccess and using lesser used or unconventianal mons

Also why isn't Charizard maxed out on attack and stuff

[bronze ether]

sometimes bulk is better

probably allows it to survive a certain interaction

[daring fable]

Ah and I assume it's much the same for Kingambit?

[bronze ether]

most likely

[daring fable]

I also have a trick room team I built if you wanna take a look at it

[sleek laurel]

Will do really soon, just somewhat busy rn

[jade dirge]

I have ninetales for the chomp sneasler matchup

[sleek laurel]

With Floette and PeliBasc, this shouldn't be a big problem

[jade dirge]

Ig, but chomp scarf is annoying

Especially paired w sneas

I cant bring floette against that

[daring fable]

LMK

[jade dirge]

I need smth that can deal w that pair so floette can cone for gambit

My team has a tough time w gambit, the only mons who can deal w it are peli and floette

[sleek laurel]

Yeah that's fair

But Sneasler should also beat Ninetales anyway

Plus, Incin helps into it more than atales

As long as you can properly position around White Herb which is easier in practice than it seems

[jade dirge]

I can try it

[sleek laurel]

Good luck w it, lmk if it doesn't work anyeay

[jade dirge]

Ok

Thx for the help

[sleek laurel]

Np!

[daring fable]

Could I send the team now if you're ready?

[sleek laurel]

Go for it

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/b9655382678bdf75

[sleek laurel]

Farig, Sylv and Sinis are fine, Sneasler should still run Close Combat over Upper Hand this time (as you already have a Farigiraf, and Fake Out is mandatory), Tyranitar should be a Golurk or Crabominable (these are just better under Trick Room), Skeledirge should be a Torkoal (way better offensive Fire-type under TR)

Also some EVs but otherwise team looks fine

You can also try Kingambit > Sylveon if Sylveon isn't giving you as much mileage

[daring fable]

Thanks for the advice

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/643bff9b0436f526

@daring fable there ya go, and np!

[daring fable]

May I ask why Klutz and not Iron First on base Golurk

[icy flume]

https://pokepast.es/573fda18e9a387dc first time ive ever touched vgc

for mega chandelure

[sleek laurel]

Because I'm a moron

LOL

It doesn't change anything anyhow but ifist is optimal technically

[sleek laurel]

Gimme a sec

[daring fable]

Ah I see I thought there was some secret strat I didn't know about

[sleek laurel]

No lol

[sleek laurel]

Actually wait no, I lied

Klutz is better

For the, although extremely rare, Scarf Gardevoir and Ditto

[daring fable]

Wait how so?

[sleek laurel]

Because they copy your Klutz with Trace and Imposter

Prior to Mega Evolution

And then their items go poof

[daring fable]

Ah I see. There are so many damn interactions in these games but I can't look away because VGC is fun at times

[sleek laurel]

Same lmao

This will come up once every thousand games anyway but still

[daring fable]

Like I won a game last week because someone went double protect on last turn of TR and I went double TR to win the game

[sleek laurel]

Oh I've been there too LOL this one's sick

[icy flume]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-pablo-lonely-alone-gif-12928789

[sleek laurel]

Sorry I got called at home

[sleek laurel]

Ok uh

This is a very good start and better than the great majority of first VGC teams but there are still a few things to keep in mind

First: with a comp like this, you really don't want your Chandy to have zero Speed; the team is favoring a fast mode with Trick Room as a backup, and this can be even further enhanced with Aerodactyl running Tailwind - I'll get there soon

[daring fable]

Team building and theory crafting lowkey have been so fun for me. I just wish I could use armorouge rn

[sleek laurel]

Secondly, if you want to give Incineroar the Chople Berry, you should probably do Black Glasses on Kingambit: Shuca just isn't worth it on it

But if you're running Swords Dance Kingambit, then I would actually switch around Shuca and Chople between Gambit and Incin

[sleek laurel]

Fair lol, but sorry lemme finish Adm's rate rn

[icy flume]

I did consider tailwind aero but thought it might not be cohesive

[sleek laurel]

And thirdly, and this is the sign of a Singles player

You are a bit too trigger happy with Earthquake, which, while a good move on Garchomp, should still be paired alongside Stomping Tantrum for reliable damage if need be, and Aero just doesn't want it lol

Earthquake actually side targets as well, which makes it somewhat situational

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I get why, but TailRoom is actually probably the strongest Speed control forme in VGC

[icy flume]

That would make sneasler more difficult to handle tho?

In theory anyway

[sleek laurel]

In a vacuum, but have a Garchomp and a Wisp Rotom, which ftr could also be a Basculegion and is probably better here but I'll get there

Plus, Chandelure

It goes from omega fine to just "very" fine

[icy flume]

Oh ok

[sleek laurel]

Last few things: Garchomp should probably run Stomping over Swords Dance and Soft Sand as its item - Yache Berry barely lets it survive a Blizzard from the weakest of Froslass and it's still outsped and doesn't do much back

Gambit is fine but you should evaluate Kowtow > Iron Head if you think you miss it, this is preference

And then it's just a few EV spreads that could use some change, I can do that for you if you want

[icy flume]

That would be great 🙏 I wouldn't know where to start

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/0b8f4c4381549ed9

Im looking for some help on my TR team!

I feel like i struggle the most into; Primerena, Steel Types and Fire Types. Drampa seems to be pulling the least amount of weight on my team so its probably going to be my number 1 pick to drop and when its dropped so will Round off of Torkoal most likely. Im really loving Round Dragapult+Sylveon as its consistently broken through Sand leads and Tailwind Leads thanks to how comically fast Scarf Dragapult is

Also I forgot to update Psychic Noise on Farigiraf to Twin Beam and Hatterene has Mystic Fire too

[sleek laurel]

Gotcha, no problem

https://pokepast.es/568aebc3a518f4cc

@icy flume try this out

Chandelure is EVd to always survive a Sucker Punch from Black Glasses Kingambit btw, Speed outruns Adamant Choice Scarf Garchomp if you have Tailwind

One thing I forgot is that Dual Wingbeat on Aerodactyl is like, mandatory to OHKO Sneasler, most Whimsicott, and Sash variants of Chlorophyll Venusaur through Focus Sash

And it's really just better than Earthquake because nothing on your team except Aero itself want to take side Earthquakes

[icy flume]

🙏 tysm this is very cool

[icy flume]

I'm too used to aero using eq on its lead sets lol🥀

[umbral crystal]

I wish I could get my Dragpult to live a Gambit punch

[sleek laurel]

The difference between 75 and 110 Defense 😔

[sleek laurel]

So real lmfao

[sleek laurel]

Np!

[sleek laurel]

I'ma get to your team when I'm done cooking and eating btw bc I'm so ultra multitasking rn

[umbral crystal]

❤️

[umbral crystal]

Maybe Mega Chandelure?

[ripe turret]

ok so a few things here, your sets are pretty wack, pult doesn’t need scarf because it’s fast enough to outspeed a majority of things anyway, round is at best a gimmicky move and you have a ton of other weird things like lefties hatterene and sash farig

if you want to build hard TR I’d start with replacing pult and sylveon

because they don’t really fit with the archetype

if you want to build hard TR I’d do something like

farig + oranguru + torkoal + kg + a mega sweeper (crab/drampa both work) and then like

I guess you could do dual mega

with like camerupt or smth

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/4b082bbd8852e835
My first attempt at creating a team. Most of the EVs are just a guess and are probably incorrectly placed, so I would like advice in that. Also id like to know if I should remove or add another Pokémon. The moves are also another guess, I dont know all the moves in the game so idk if I chose the correct ones.
I know mega excadrill is not optimal but I want to use him so he cant be removed

[umbral crystal]

I wrote the items were replaced those were the ones that migrated and I forgot to update before making the paste :<

Round has been dropped from all mons except Pult and Sylveon

Scarf Pult lets it out speed Excadrill in sand which lets Sylveon 1 tap Ttar with Round, alot of mons get out speed in Tailwind too i wish I didnt need Scarf but Scarf Basculegion is 1 speed higher than max speed dragapult

I wanted to use Oranguru but I dont want another bad matchup into Kingambit. I was thinking Sneasler maybe? It would also help into Primarina too which for some reason I struggle into and the biggest issue is definitely Char Y too rn

[ripe turret]

you don’t need to counter tailwind with a fast mon because you can do it with your slow mons

that’s the entire purpose of TR really

[umbral crystal]

Hard TR aint the way to go. Id argue its better to have multiple modes to play with

[ripe turret]

oh I can’t read

thought it was a hard TR team lmao

[umbral crystal]

No worries

I should have explained the team better

Torkoal + Farig + Hat are my TR core

[ripe turret]

if you don’t plan on using hard TR then I’d just drop hatt

[umbral crystal]

My 6th slot has been floating around for a few days now

Really!?

[ripe turret]

it’s not very good this format without its psysurge partner

[umbral crystal]

Indeedee

QnQ

Give her BACK

[ripe turret]

lmao

yeah hatt is really just a htr psyspam mon

it’s too slow to be used outside of TR

same thing with drampa, it’s honestly too slow to be used outside TR

if you want to play tailroom you need to using middle-ish speed mons

I’d say the lower limit is like

around kingambit level

[umbral crystal]

What other TR setter can I run next to Farigiraf that can live a hit from Sneasler?

My most successful is using Twin Beam on Farigiraf while Hat sets TR if a sneasler exists

[ripe turret]

sini

anyways I think that like

[umbral crystal]

Can Sini even do damage?

[ripe turret]

yes

[umbral crystal]

Max SpAtk?

[ripe turret]

I think that if you’re running tailroom this team needs some pretty radical resturcturing

because you don’t want one set of mons that you bring in the TR mode and another that you bring in the tailwind mode, you want mons that will work in both

one of tailroom’s biggest strengths is the ability to be flexible based on how the match goes

[umbral crystal]

Im not planning on running Tailwind tho

[ripe turret]

or honestly just like

any non-HTR team really

because you still want to be able have flexibility in pokemon choices when TR won’t work

instead of being locked to say, sylveon + dragapult lead every time you don’t want to use TR

[umbral crystal]

Can Sini even live a Kowtow ?

[ripe turret]

yes

[umbral crystal]

Hmm!

Dire claw too?

[ripe turret]

yeah it takes like three of those

since it’s neutral

[umbral crystal]

Oh shit I forgot Ghost resist poison

[ripe turret]

its defense stat is naturally incredibly high

yeah

I’ll get back to you once I get home, gotta drive now lol

[umbral crystal]

Im liking the Sini recommendation who should I swap Drampa to to help into Char Y and Fire in general?

[umbral crystal]

What 4th move? Shadowball? Or something else?

[ripe turret]

probably just like matcha + powder + TR + protect

sball is usable too

and life dew

[umbral crystal]

Kinda hard to fill Hatternes place then

[ripe turret]

it’s meant to be more of a support mon

[umbral crystal]

Especially needing 252/156 hp/def just to 50% live Kowtow

[ripe turret]

bold should get you a guaranteed survival

32/19+ is the guaranteed one

32/16+ is only a 6.25% chance

[umbral crystal]

Hatterene functioned as my sweeper. Id have to run anew TR sweeper then

Any recs?

Preffered one that isn't diddled by incineroar

[daring fable]

I'm thinking of dropping Sinistcha for Primarina cause I can't break through Charizards

[umbral crystal]

Im also getting screwed by Char QnQ

[daring fable]

Yep

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/cc3dcc02c6b02b6a

[umbral crystal]

Having my best damage dealers doing mostly Fairy type is so sad to see fire types

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[daring fable]

Just feels like there aren't any good electric types rn

[umbral crystal]

Got a chance to run over my team?

[quartz sedge]

Rate my doubles team please

This but starmie is adamant, the special attack evs are in physical, and its moves are waterfall, liquidation, zen headbutt, and bulk up

[fiery elm]

Why the fuck are u running waterfall+liquidate

They serve basically the same purpose

Choose one and run protect

Holy yikes he barely has protect in doubles

What the fuck is stone edge gambit

i hate moltres too but he aint in this game

[icy swan]

Lol max speed sinistcha

[fiery elm]

I didnt even notice and was about to take a 3rd look to verify but im scared what else i may discover next

My god

I discovered something next

[icy swan]

Roast my team now deathtojen, the politoad should be holding quick claw

[fiery elm]

How did he get the aero moveset correct of all things

Anyways the thing i discovered next was that he had protect on chomp

Scarf chomp

[icy swan]

Haha it’s got to be a prank

[fiery elm]

I dont think thunder dnite does anything significant

[icy swan]

I added it because i struggled against other rain teams, what would you replace with? Espeed?

[fiery elm]

And i personally dislike draco arch

Against opp rain dont u just goob em with meganium

[icy swan]

I feel like i miss 70% of my dracos

[fiery elm]

Also you team lacks fighting coverage abd i find fighting coverage hella helpful in this meta

The reason for no draco on arch isnt due to missing

[icy swan]

Meganium was a new add, but yes it helps a-lot but i have to be careful about hurricane

[fiery elm]

Its due to arch wanting to stay on the field for a long time

[icy swan]

I used to have sneasler instead of meganium

[fiery elm]

At least thats what i think your arch is doing

It has lefties

Oh but its max spatk tho

Why lefties then

Oh well theres probs nothing better

[icy swan]

Yeah just protect heal I figure most people only want to hit it super effective with stab to prevent too many stamina boosts

[fiery elm]

I have my own rain squad and i personally found the gambit+zard y combo to be kinda annoying

[icy swan]

Would you make him bulkier? I like the thought of that

[fiery elm]

Actually gambit goes crazy into your team

Especially if you give gambit the rain to super ignore incin

[icy swan]

Yes i have definitely had trouble with him

[fiery elm]

You could

Run wisp over blitz

Run aura sphere on arch

Or run fighting move on dnite

[icy swan]

Thank you i like these suggestions

[fiery elm]

Take your pick

Superpower, low kick, or focus miss

I dont remember the weather ball rain interaction

[icy swan]

Keep meganium over putting sneasler back in? Weather ball turns into 100 base power with the move type being determined by the current weather, water type in rain, fire in sun

[fiery elm]

But get rid of dazzle if weather ball is an unweakened fire move

I think sneasler is better

[icy swan]

Okay thank you, i will implement these changes

[fiery elm]

But my rain team doesnt run sneas. I run mega sciz + mega dnite

Thats how i goob my fairies

Alsp whats your arch speed number for

[icy swan]

Lol i might have to try sciz and copy you that sounds smart

[fiery elm]

Cuz if you're not using your arch speed for something hella specific then put that shit into spdef or hp

My arch i put the speed to outrun scarf basc in tailwind

Which was very little

[icy swan]

Nah i just didnt know where to put it lol i should definitely turn that into bulk

Thank you, i hadn’t even noticed that

[fiery elm]

Yeah it only needed 4 speed

[icy swan]

This has been very helpful, thank you

Good luck in bringing death to jen

[fiery elm]

no posts in a while

time for me to post

i noticed i got goobed by zard y + gambit lead

is it my skill issue or do i need to replace some moves

i lead dnite arch

zard y weather ball + gambit sucker does kill arch

if i try to protect a weather ball and then switch in pelipper the turn after then that will lose to the zard delaying tera and protecting

i was thinking of 2 solutions

fighting move on dnite over roost

or wisp on incin over blitz

maybe even both

[fiery elm]

wym. theres archaludon. electric type signature move. weak to ground. thats an electric type.

oh and rotom

thats it those are the choices

bruh if you sort the electric mons by bst, the highest non-mega is jolteon

thats sad

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/e2bfc6249fd924d3 mmmmm redirect

[bronze ether]

cant u lead dnite arch against that

[fiery elm]

could work

i was under the impression that i can't be letting gambit get free defiant boosts

incin wont ohko with blitz tho if the zard doesnt put up sun

[bronze ether]

what if u just let gambit get the defiant boost

[bronze ether]

oh

[fiery elm]

i highly doubt it will

gambit actually eats aura sphere with like 4% hp btw

[bronze ether]

just arch cuz u got aura sphere thats an ohko

[bronze ether]

oh

more spa

drop speed

for more spa

[fiery elm]

no the 4 speed is needed

140+ SpA Archaludon Aura Sphere vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 208-248 (100.4 - 119.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

also i will need a lotta spatk investment

i think this is like 17 or 18

actually wait nvm

i can hit that

but also i dont even see myself clicking blitz that much

also thinking about it more

i could also lead pelipper into gambit+zard y

if the zard puts up sun i get a fire weather ball into gambito

is rain dance over hurricane on pelipper stupid or unironically fire

[mint raft]

testing this on the showdown ladder rn and it's doing pretty good
https://pokepast.es/aa6abeb84659c023

[fiery elm]

protect on 2 mons i love seeing those teams

[mint raft]

slightly overrated move imo

[fiery elm]

how common is max speed adamant gambit in vgc rn

that guy hits 102 speed, i will need 23 evs into incin to outspeed

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/c827b122f39c89f0
Reached a record of 1250 elo on the ladder with this

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/4b082bbd8852e835
My first attempt at creating a team. Most of the EVs are just a guess and are probably incorrectly placed, so I would like advice in that. Also id like to know if I should remove or add another Pokémon. The moves are also another guess, I dont know all the moves in the game so idk if I chose the correct ones.
I know mega excadrill is not optimal but I want to use him so he cant be removed

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/00cc20d9b2ed7a7a

genga xzard team i tried. very lost tbh with the last slot

[livid shadow]

https://pokepast.es/1d28ff8fa49050db
first time making a team, i lowk dont know what im doing and just grabbed anything that looked good online

[woven panther]

https://pokepast.es/bfb140008490c292

[bronze ether]

no one runs max speed

[jade dirge]

Last slot should be sinistcha

And run perish song on gengar

You have incin

Sinistcha provides a mich needed sneasler answer for your xard core

When you are not bringing gengar

Run rage powder, matcha, life dew, and protect

[fiery elm]

How much speed is common then

Is it just like around 4 to 8 to randomly creep enemy gambit

[bronze ether]

0?

[mighty walrus]

https://pokepast.es/b6b6b9a37a2ed523
https://pokepast.es/824b3cd44c795a96 just started vgc and these are the first two teams i've made. happy with the results but i feel like i could use some tips

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/9f921c0453e0d1de rate my team pls

[zinc imp]

why are we scarfing palafin

also rain without archaludon

[wispy spruce]

Rain teams dont need archaludon and this isnt even a rain team, rain is more like a nice bonus here

Also its really nice to have the speed on palafin

[vale basin]

https://pokepast.es/718b10507ff2fa9c, can u guys help me improve this team I really like the anger point bull

[plain kestrel]

Anger point bull is cool I’ve seen this stuff with crabominable too

I think you can drop the starmie and drop rock slide for aqua jet on bull

You can put talon over whims and chomp in the starmie slot too I think that’ll help your matchup table a little

And do mega froslass with blizzard shadow ball

Or drop the froslass cuz you have a ninetales and run a next mega

Mega froslass is way better than sash froslass

[vale basin]

then how i activate my anger point

[plain kestrel]

If you want your encore stuff with whims just do it on ninetales and run blizzard freeze dry protect

[plain kestrel]

With froslass

Fire tauros is fine actually I thought you were water tauros

[vale basin]

tysm, im gon try it

[plain kestrel]

There’s times where you don’t want to play into the anger point tauros yk so mega froslass with just blizzard ball is strong enough

One more thing you can try

Keep the whims but put sash and protect there

And do fake tears on it

So froslass benefits from it

And then still drop the starmie for like a rotom wash maybe??

Add a few more protects like 1-2 more put one on whims and one on froslass

[vale basin]

ok ty

[plain kestrel]

Lmk how it goes if it doesn’t work we can talk about it more

[mighty walrus]

https://pokepast.es/12fb594541e63cf5 did a change in the second team

[plain kestrel]

Min speed aegislash

Put it all in bulk

The slower the better

You want to take hits in defence form

[mighty walrus]

i see

[plain kestrel]

If you’re faster you won’t

[vale basin]

do i keep cursed body on fros or change it to snow cloak

[plain kestrel]

Uh lowkey snow cloak cuz you have a second setter

[vale basin]

oh i see

[mighty walrus]

anything else that could be improved?

[vale basin]

and bout ev spread

[plain kestrel]

I think whims is not really needed

We are already so fast with the sneasler exca and rotom

And have a good tr mu with ttar

We don’t need an encore user we kinda want corv

Corv can still give you tw

Uh

Maybe not my bad

Hold on

[mighty walrus]

i just remembered that tr is -7

i dont rly need the prankster then

[plain kestrel]

Yeah dude also like sd is cool on exca but rock slide is so annoying too

And drill run should be high horse power

I think the whims can be someone else idk exactly what

[mighty walrus]

sd i was thinking against intimidate

[plain kestrel]

Try primarina and kommo o with overcoat maybe

Then put milotic in that slot

The whims

[plain kestrel]

I think you can just do 32 32 modest or timid

That’s fine to start

[mighty walrus]

alr

[plain kestrel]

If someone has a better shout try theirs tho

[daring fable]

Hey I made a few adjustments to the team cause I've been running into some problems. What do you think of this? https://pokepast.es/20fe97d543e22b85

[sleek laurel]

If you can play properly around Torkoal's Sun with Primarina

Which is very doable btw you just gotta learn some gists of the team

It looks great

[daring fable]

Thanks I was struggling into Charizards so I figured dropping Sylveon would help

[daring fable]

BTW how are you doing?

[sleek laurel]

Im fine lol, ty

[timber geyser]

https://pokepast.es/47dc6ac18090818e

Thoughts? Gholdengo seem to be not offering much

[daring fable]

Nice. I also took hammer arm off for thunder punch

[opaque crag]

https://pokepast.es/3216bdc8cdcf1212 any advice i think sneasler out of place but idk what to run instead

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[opaque ocean]

https://pokepast.es/517cc61942c09010

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/376d56315bd17508
Its a sand team w/ mega excadrill. I need help to decide the EVs and moves for the pokemon. Dont mind the ones in the pokepaste since those are just guesses from me, feel free to change them

[mint raft]

You get sand up but you don’t really take advantage of it

Ttar is the only person on your roster with any kind of secondary boost

[halcyon escarp]

i can delay the mega for excadrill to launch super quick earthquake

and just to neutralise other weathers

[mint raft]

For showdown you have to pick excadrill with sand rush and give it the mega stone as the held item

If you pick excadrill-mega to start you can’t configure its ability

Pre-mega that is

In Champions this isn’t an issue

[halcyon escarp]

well in champions it doesnt matter

[halcyon escarp]

yeah

[mint raft]

Just letting you know if you were gonna test run it on showdown

I’ll be honest though I know that chople berry has its uses but I would probably give ttar his mega stone too

That way if you need a sand sweeper speed wise to wrap things up you can control the endgame weather better to get those super speedy excadrill attacks off

You could also try sand veil chomp too as an extra sand abuse measure

[austere swift]

showdown keeps complaining when I select the mega because the mega's ability isn't legal on the base mon

and I think it has let me configure the ability, or try to.

[hearty fog]

https://pokepast.es/dcc54a8a7f58f40c chandelure trick room + tailwind

maybe wisp would be better on chandelure over calm mind to have something else against gambit sucker punch

actually it's substitute in the paste but i have calm mind in game

[fiery elm]

Ok then you just dont know

Dont be answering then

[mint raft]

i mean it's not like they publish % stat spreads in vgc blogs / tournament/season info

but he's slow enough where I don't think people commonly run him max speed unless they insist on using him in tw

and even then it's prob not worth

[icy swan]

Have you tried incen lead with either dragonite or pelliper? The turn one fake out can help you get a tailwind or other set up off and then turn two parting shot to bring in pelliper or arch if rain is already set up

[austere swift]

A slight variation of this team was ignored a while back: https://pokepast.es/7c2102f3f8a192b2

[timber geyser]

https://pokepast.es/9cbbd1a1b952ef9a

[undone axle]

https://pokepast.es/81801f6597e7455d
I finally made it to master ball tier with these freaks. I wanna be as well rounded as I can before I register my team for the champions event this weekend

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[undone axle]

Aerodactyl is mainly to deal with annoying rock and grass types

cough cough lead zard whim click tailwind

99% of sneasler’s reason to exist is to KO bridge

[distant trellis]

(I personally dislike aggron) but if you don't wanna remove it then this seems fine

Opposing basculegion are maybe gonna give you trouble

[undone axle]

Choice scarf last respects and pray 🙏

[distant trellis]

Asw as opposing waters in general

Milo just sits here

[undone axle]

I haven’t really been thinking about water types actually

[undone axle]

Yeah. That happens a lot.

Not even trolling

Cha and Milo get into staring contests like 10% of games

[distant trellis]

That's the thing with aggron it walls out basc and.... does nothing back

The wall's pr team went absolutely insane considering it's a steel type that doesn't even ohko bulkless floette

[undone axle]

?? I usually ohko with heavy slam

Am I tripping

[distant trellis]

Heavy slam is a 50% roll to ohko 0hp 0 defence mega floette

[undone axle]

😭😭😭

[distant trellis]

Floette doesn't rly do much back but yeah

Insane when you think about it

[undone axle]

Light of ruin doing like half health is still funny though

[distant trellis]

Thing is Kingambit seems rly good here to deal with basc

But then you drop your mega

[undone axle]

Kingambit instead of Aggron sounds devious

I might see how it runs on showdown first

[distant trellis]

No mega is some tweaker shit tho </3

[undone axle]

Mega aero

[distant trellis]

This is like

Close to the cybertron rain team in terms of playstyle

[undone axle]

Wait I don’t know ball

[distant trellis]

Except the unkillable raid boss on that team is archalebron

[undone axle]

Just you wait

LeGron trick room sweep

if and when but never is

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/31218dceba60d1b2

I lowkey hate aaron for this

Cause ts is so annoying

At least milo does no damage </3

[undone axle]

ISTG

THIS TEAM IS GENUINELY STREAM SNIPING ME

Fucking rain dance sableye

Just making up moves ong

[distant trellis]

Legit

Can't even prankster taunt that guy

[undone axle]

Yall can get rid of Aggron ngl I just want this exact loadout dead 🙏

[distant trellis]

If mega sableye had a bst higher than that of a preschooler it would be the death of all of us

And also like

Kept prankster ig

Anyway uhhh I lowkey do think a rain pivot seems cool here

Helps the sun mu Kingambit also covers basculegion

And you can run smth like peli mega nite over uhhh

Aero and some other guy

If milo is really annoying you can run mega meganium but worse into sun

[undone axle]

Time is a flat circle

The earliest version of this team used Pell and nite

[distant trellis]

😭

[undone axle]

It was copied straight from some top ranked team

Then I thought “nite isn’t doing anything” so I got rid of it

[distant trellis]

The alternative could be uhhh

Big man scizor

[undone axle]

Then I thought “Pell isn’t doing anything”

[distant trellis]

And a scarf rotom

[undone axle]

At this rate basc will be the only one left lol

[distant trellis]

Welllll

Rotom for basc would probably be the play

[undone axle]

So time is a slightly stretched oval, and we have Rotom, Cha, King, Scizor, Pell, and Steve

[distant trellis]

Unless you keep both basc and rotom and drop incin but incin is kinda goated into certain mus so it's chill

Mega scizor does actually tend to like rain

So pell is an option 😭

So yeah I'd go mega sciz or the rain core

[undone axle]

“Mega sciz or the rain core” vs “mega Scizor, the rain core” Scizor, Meganium, Dnite, Drampa, Pell, Politoed

Scizor, Pell, Incin, King, Cha, Rotom actually seems pretty cool

Would I still need to keep trick room on cha

I forget how fast Scizor is

[distant trellis]

Drampa

[distant trellis]

This is fine albeit I'd drop smth for big sneas just for opp Kingambit

[undone axle]

Not even opposed to getting rid of sinistcha atp but we’ve cycled around to 1/3 of the team remaining lmao

[distant trellis]

Honestly incin can go or Kingambit

I like sinis here

Actually hmmm

Dropping that guy is fine too

Test all 3 see what works

[silk lodge]

zoroark gengar
https://pokepast.es/a7b70a7ef13c5629

oh i didnt change garchomp ability to rough skin lmao

[bronze ether]

Ive been trying to make gardevoir work but to no avail been trying to use maushold but then 3 of my mons were fighting weak which i didnt like so i replaced for volcarona, debating wether i should switch incin for basc/sneasler

[jade dirge]

You should run protect instead of eq on chomp

And run white herb

[bronze ether]

I felt like sneasler was a bit of a problem

So my garchomp outspeeds 32+ non unburdened sneasler

[jade dirge]

Oh ic

[bronze ether]

I might try the dragon fang set instead

Not too sure

[undone axle]

https://psim.us/t/1727718-5tqobr1jqg2amlpqw6oq

I just made some bullshit🗣️‼️‼️

Ignore that there are seven guys I’ll shaft one of them eventually

The wall is absolutely coming to the live event but Scizor will get used one day

[undone axle]

I just realized incin has no evs but it’s honestly funnier this way

[sage urchin]

Meu time esta bom

[viral wraith]

https://pokepast.es/0212e4ea75027836

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viral wraith]

my magnum opus

[acoustic slate]

https://pokepast.es/51444d58384aafe3 back with my mega emboar team, and I realized it kinda struggled with perish trap for the most part (could just be a skill issue). Hard to tell what it struggles with outside of that, since I’m not the best, but I do know when I mess up a play.

I made emboar go for a bulkier style instead of pure offense, and honestly it’s been doing pretty good as he can get REALLY hard to take down with the right positioning, plus drain punch.

But as I said before it doesn’t really matter how bulky you are against perish trap if your opponent can just kill you instantly

Also sort of struggles into torkoal in particular since I can’t really hit its weakness

But it doesn’t appear as often so idk if that’s really too much of an issue

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/c98c287a6b447209

[jade dirge]

Where do we even start…

First, put natures on everything

Second, why trick room?

There are so many fast mons on your team, youd be better off with tailwind

Change cofagrigus to aero

Make starmie physical

Mega starmie is a phys attacker, your never not megaing it

Run rock slide, iron head, protect on excadrill

And switch solar beam for protect

Run lum berry on rotom if youre that desperate against sun

And run weather ball and protect on pelipper

[jade dirge]

Honestly, i think its a gameplay issue

Aero and gambit lead should beat most perish trap leads

And torkoal farig is beat if you play optimally

Altho, you could have a resist mega like delphox to beat it

And run farig as non tr support

But then id just say switch farig for intim user like incin

You can test out different options

[grizzled prism]

I wanna build an anti meta team for champions but I need IDEAS

I only got aegislash heeellp 😭

[acoustic slate]

I’d love to have incin for pivoting into emboar but I’d also have 4 ground weak mons in a meta where garchomp is the second most used pokemon

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/db2b3d4b853e3684

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile flame]

good anti meta mega pokemon are mega venu, mega glim, and mega villain rn

that's a good place to start if you wanna start building

Ik cybertron has a new vid breaking some of those down if you wanna check iut

[sterile flame]

This one tho I need ideas to help make this idea feel better. I CANNOT find a mon that I think feels good in this gambit slot, i've tried sneasler, incin, even mf liepard but I need someone that can have fast burst dmg and support the team. I'm looking for psychic immunities 2 since I have so many weak, but BLARGH I need urshifu dark

[grizzled prism]

Oh yeah, I got something figured out with mega Tytar, Aegislash, and Milotic to cover Mega Zard Y/overall weather, sneasler and MFloette, and incin + other stat changes respectively

I also have sneasler but idk how I feel about him

[sterile flame]

mega tar might be the play\

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/c303769eac4783b8
I made another rain team cause rain is my strong suit and I'm too bad to go out of my comfort zone

[icy flume]

https://pokepast.es/bb2d4e739f07455e

i legit dont know what mega to use meganium is just there

[fathom token]

I'm not a comp helper but based on what you already have you can either work with char or m.floette

if you went char you'd have to switch volc for something like scarf rotom tho cause you'd be threatened by aero

[icy swan]

https://pokepast.es/da7944637a53afe6 roast my team

Pls

[jade dirge]

Ninetales and incin together pretty much cover for every chomp

Especially w prot on a9

[wanton abyss]

Rock Slide Chomp flinching your whole team for 3 turns:

[jade dirge]

Get rid of grass knot

There is literally no point

You can hit ground for super effective alr

[icy swan]

Yeah i just put it cause the team couldn’t hit water super effectively, repace with encore or taunt?

[jade dirge]

Prob encore

[icy swan]

Thank you

[jade dirge]

Run white herb chomp as well

[icy swan]

What about sneasler? Flying berry?

[jade dirge]

You have kingambit and seasler, youre not afraid of ice types

Oh wait right

Mb

Nvm then, you yache berry is fine

[icy swan]

I could give it leftovers but that felt silly

[jade dirge]

Yea, im not a believer of lefties chomp

Run rock slide instead of eq

Not enough mons on your team resist eq, and your mainly looking for maushold to do work

[icy swan]

I like that i was worried abour eq with only 1 flyer

[jade dirge]

Also run dragon claw instead of scale shot

[jade dirge]

Yea, especially when you have gambit and sneasler

Its a waste of a move slot

Other than that, its a good team

[icy swan]

This is very helpful thank you so much!

[jade dirge]

Np

[sage urchin]

Thanks

@jade dirge Thank you for the recommendation, but I'm somewhat stubborn about not including meta Pokémon.

But how can Starmie be a physical attacker? That doesn't make sense. I've always listed special attack as its role.

[wanton abyss]

Mega Starmie gets Huge Power

ergo, REALLY big attack stat

[sage urchin]

What kind of movement is that?

I'm a beginner

[zinc imp]

basically it gets its average base 100 atk doubled

making it 304 atk at max investment

[sage urchin]

Thanks

[zinc imp]

thats without adamant nature but eh

[sage urchin]

Ok

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/7e68c5fae21626ec
recovered the mchomp sand team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zinc imp]

also got 1250 elo with it

[zinc imp]

replaced sneasler's upper hand to fake out

[jade dirge]

After mega, it gets huge power

[sage urchin]

Thanks

[jade dirge]

Ok, if you would like a non meta option, you could switch cofagrigus for a corviknight

It works well with your rain core

[sage urchin]

I hate corviknight

[jade dirge]

Oh lol, fair

Hes not annoying in doubles tho

[sage urchin]

My new team

[zinc imp]

is that
tr on mstarmie

[sage urchin]

I prefer Skarmory.

[jade dirge]

You do you then

[jade dirge]

Where is entrainment

[zinc imp]

also

[sage urchin]

What?

[jade dirge]

The entire ohko move strat revolves around entrainment on hawlucha

[jade dirge]

The move entrainment on hawlucha

[zinc imp]

youd rather run weather ball on pelipper to hydro pump

[sage urchin]

@jade dirge Do you want me to challenge myself on Showdown?

Pls

[jade dirge]

?

Do you challenge me?

[sage urchin]

Yep

[zinc imp]

🤔

[jade dirge]

Ig you could

[sage urchin]

😅

[jade dirge]

Ill hop on ina few

[sage urchin]

I don't know

What's your name on Showdown?

[jade dirge]

mars23456

[sage urchin]

Ok

[jade dirge]

send a challenge

[icy swan]

I will

[icy swan]

I just sent a friend request

[sage urchin]

I lose 😞

[jade dirge]

mb, i cant do it rn

i wasnt playing

those were random moves

[sage urchin]

Now I realize how bad I am at VGC.

again?

[jade dirge]

im free now

ill help you

i was like top 30 on ladder at one point

youll get there

[ripe turret]

hey yall, just a reminder that if you want to battle then you should prob take it to a diff channel so the pastes don’t get buried lol

[sage urchin]

Yaaaaaaaay i win

[jade dirge]

oh right sry

[sage urchin]

Foi um ótimo jogo amigo

[jade dirge]

sry, i dont speak spanish

[sage urchin]

WTF

[jade dirge]

yea lol

only english

[sage urchin]

I don't speak Spanish.

I SPEAK PORTUGUÊS

[jade dirge]

OHHH, MB LOL

oops, that my fault

[sage urchin]

Now I'm offended.

[jade dirge]

lol, sry about that

[sage urchin]

Ok

God game

[jade dirge]

gg

[sage urchin]

Nooooo

[digital raven]

So I have an idea: On champions I've been liking Hydreigon, and I think I've found a set that could be strong. It's weak to fairy types so I figured I'd add mega-excadrill for Mega-Floette and aerodactyl for tailwind, sneasler, and mega Zard-Y. Beyond that, I think mega-excadrill weakening protects makes incin and sneasler as double fake out users a good idea. The thing is I have no idea what to throw on as a fifth mon. Idk if I always want to bring mega-excadrill so I'm considering another mega but I'm not sure which one, Rotom-W sounds good but I don't have it on champions, Sinistcha could be an option but I'm just very torn.
https://pokepast.es/cfbe4fc4f74423db
That's the team, the core idea is that the Hydreigon EV spread lets it just barely live a jolly garchomp d-claw or a sneasler close combat with the chople berry, outspeed an adamant non-scarf Chomp and a max speed modest floette, and still hit hard. Sinistcha might be the move since Hydreigon will only barely be living attacks, but I'm just not sure and want input

I also have no idea what to EV Incineroar around in general lol

okay mega excadrill might not be the move, I did not know the pierce on protect was just contact moves

shame that it only gets iron head as a particularly relevant contact move

it still hits hard at least

[slim citrus]

if I were to run base glimm, what would the stat spread be? I just need him for toxic spikes and possibly stealth rocks

[jade dirge]

Mortal spin, mud shot, tspikes, sr

If your going for hazard set up

[digital raven]

stat spread, not moves

[jade dirge]

Oh mb

[ripe turret]

mud shot glimm

never cook again

[digital raven]

also you don't need or really want rocks in vgc, format is too fast for them to be very worthwhile.

[jade dirge]

Hey, its a strat in singles

[jade dirge]

Rocks in not bad for breaking sashs

Considering its one of the only relevant items

[digital raven]

yeah but sacrificing rocks for coverage moves or something else just isn't worth it

[slim citrus]

im playing a really odd team and need the tspikes so rocks just feels right in there

[digital raven]

I think if your team needs tspikes you're gonna be in trouble, sneasler-s removes them on switch in

[jade dirge]

Ig run earth power instead then

And bring power gem

Idk, im not a fan of glimm in doubles

[digital raven]

the stallier teams that used glimmora in the past in vgc used mortal spin for poison

[jade dirge]

Yea ive seen those

But they usually pair it w smth like ting lu

Rn, glimm is more useful as an offense mon

[slim citrus]

dont yell at me but im playing merciless toxapex

i kinda need the spikes

[jade dirge]

Ah

Well then

One sneasler and its over, but fun idea

[slim citrus]

oh def

is corrosion salazzle too far

[jade dirge]

Yea prob

[slim citrus]

wait would her spikes poison a sneasler?

[jade dirge]

No

[slim citrus]

oh so nvm

[jade dirge]

Tspikes dont affect corrosion

And having 3 mons weak to chomp is not great

[slim citrus]

and not to be a bum but i lowk have not gotten an answer on the stat spread

[slim citrus]

i was thinking salazzle over glimm for the corrosion spikes

would weavile be a good addition?

https://pokepast.es/4eabdfc221edd87b this is the team right now, i DEF need a garchomp answer

kingambit might not fit either

[ripe turret]

burn it with scov

ice types also obv

[slim citrus]

what item would i run on weavile

[ripe turret]

its only good item is sash

[slim citrus]

would it be worth using over glimm?

if not ill just use never melt ice

[grizzled ermine]

what do yall think

i cant rly find any weaknesses to it

unless if the other player is simply too good and out plays me

alr so im weak to flowette and the teapot

[lament scroll]

no 75 power 50% accurate 60% flinch spread move on Aerodactyl?

[grizzled ermine]

no

[grizzled ermine]

i only want him for support

i wish i had it

tbh

but theres nothing there i can rly dro

drop

[icy swan]

You have no super effective stab on Normal, Electric, Dark, and Poison. But out of all those mono types id think your only concern would be opposing kengaskhan

[grizzled ermine]

yea, i havent faced one yet so im not so sure but im pretty sure that i can wear it down with fake out pivots and drain punches

and i checked in a damage calculator, the only way kingambit dies to flowete is a light of ruin to the face

and even still its not guaranteeed

whereas unless the opposing flowette is max hp max def it gets guaranteeed ohko by iron head

also drain punch will kill oposing maushold unless htey are also max hp max def

so my only real weakness is getting worn down by sinescha's macha gotcha + lifedew

even still

[icy swan]

What if you both have tailwind up

[grizzled ermine]

a flare blitz to the face from my incin will do 84-98% to a opposing max def max hp sinescha

[grizzled ermine]

i have taunt on aero to make sure that dosent happen

[icy swan]

First turn taunt would definitely work against me if i didn’t have something out to flinch your tailwind setter

[grizzled ermine]

mhm

and even if u did have sm to flinch

i always almst always lead a flinch mon of my own

so its just a wasted turn

and i will taunt u next turn

im telling u bro

there is no weakness

that i could find

[icy swan]

I definitely think it will work! Might not work as well if you had to present a team sheet in a tournament and your opponents knew it couldn’t attack but great in this closed sheet ladder format!

[grizzled ermine]

ik

its designed for that

[icy swan]

You just accept opponents weather?

[sleek laurel]

This is straight up false btw

Calm Mind variants of Floette always 1v1 Kingambit

They survive a 32 Adamant Iron Head

And they OHKO with +1 Moonblast

Depending on the roll, they can even survive Iron Head into Sucker Punch

And 1v1 raw

[sleek laurel]

There's a lot of scattered around EVs, but the mons look fine in a vacuum

I would, however, just use Sneasler over this Aerodactyl set, especially because your team simply doesn't benefit from Tailwind enough