VGC Rates

[sleek laurel]

Gl with it!

[lethal ravine]

aegislash and

[normal willow]

Thx

[lethal ravine]

incineror

[plain kestrel]

No sneasler (put helio in that slot”

[sleek laurel]

It's interchangeable atp

They have a Floette mu already so Gambit is fine too but you can do either

It's a test both kinda case atp

[lethal ravine]

the team

[sleek laurel]

I think whimsi zard venu incin chomp aegis is a fine 6 to go with

[lethal ravine]

im not running heliolisk, sorry
i dont like the pokemon

my team's a mix of rule of cool and viability

anyways, i'll send sets now

please judge

[sleek laurel]

Sneasler is fine too but your team is fast enough, Chomp is better here

Bet nw

[plain kestrel]

Boooo

No fun

[plain kestrel]

You don’t need sd

Also make aegi super slow

[sleek laurel]

You don't need sd and Shell Bell is a bad item yeah

And yes

[plain kestrel]

-speed

[lethal ravine]

WHAT

[sleek laurel]

I can get you some sets tbh

If you want

[plain kestrel]

Yea

[lethal ravine]

ic ic

[lethal ravine]

sure, send your aegi

[plain kestrel]

You want him to take the hit then stance change

[sleek laurel]

Poltergeist / Sacred Sword or Iron Head / Shadow Sneak / King's Shield

32 HP / 20 Atk / 14 SpDef / Brave nature

The SpDef is just good if you need to take hits from Floette

[lethal ravine]

done

[sleek laurel]

I would do Sacred Sword here because you have zero Fighting moves and a matchup into Floette already

[plain kestrel]

Is shadow sneak just for in a pinch?

[lethal ravine]

what item

[sleek laurel]

For Basculegion too

[sleek laurel]

Leftovers works

[plain kestrel]

Do you one tap it?

[sleek laurel]

Another option is the Ghost-reducing berry

No, you do like 60

[sleek laurel]

Which is actually

[lethal ravine]

done

[plain kestrel]

Oof

[sleek laurel]

You can do both Iron Head and Sacred Sword

With the Ghost-reducing berry

[lethal ravine]

incineror

[sleek laurel]

And take a Last Respects in Shield Fore

[sleek laurel]

More of a mixed EV spread is good

I would also run Sitrus Berry rather than Shica

Shuca*

Or Chople

Because Sneasler's Close Combat is a MUCH bigger threat

Than any Ground-type move rn

[lethal ravine]

what about moves?

[sleek laurel]

Fine

As they are

Maybe Throat Chop if you like to deny opposing Incineroar's Parting Shot, but they're fine rn

[plain kestrel]

You need some defence investment

[sleek laurel]

And yeah

[plain kestrel]

I don’t think you live the cc with chople

Without investment

[lethal ravine]

cott

[sleek laurel]

You do just barely

But not -1 cc

Without chople

[plain kestrel]

Protect on this

Over stunnspore

[sleek laurel]

Protect or Encore > Stun Spore

[lethal ravine]

i used to use u-turn ngl

[plain kestrel]

Where is your focus sash

[sleek laurel]

That's not too good yeah

[plain kestrel]

On venu?

[sleek laurel]

Also yeah Sash on Whimsi I would say

And Occa Venu is fine

[plain kestrel]

Occa venu in the sun?

[sleek laurel]

Venu takes at least one hit almost always with Occa in play

[sleek laurel]

It's enough for one move

[sleek laurel]

Replace this w Garchomp/Aegislash

[lethal ravine]

i already have an aegislash

[sleek laurel]

W Garchomp yeah

Sorry forgot

[lethal ravine]

send me the garchomp set, im tired

[sleek laurel]

Bet

[lethal ravine]

also char

i put blaze dw

[plain kestrel]

15 in hp 17 in defense

On that zard

[sleek laurel]

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf

Adamant, 4 HP / 30 Atk / 32 Speed

Stomping Tantrum, Earthquake, Dragon Claw, Rock Slide

Just run offensive zard

Lol

Heat Wave / Solar Beam / Overheat or Weather Ball / Protect

2 HP, 32 / 32 SpA / Speed, Timid

[plain kestrel]

You want to live rock slides from exca at -1 and garchomp when you don’t bring incin

[sleek laurel]

You live those at -1 already

At +0

Yeah maybe

[plain kestrel]

You don’t live at 0

[sleek laurel]

Yeah not at +0

[lethal ravine]

garchomp set

moves

[plain kestrel]

And there’s games you don’t want to bring incin

[lethal ravine]

i just need moves and evs

[sleek laurel]

@lethal ravine

[sleek laurel]

Actually yeah you have a point here

[plain kestrel]

15 hp 17 defence 10 spa modest

[sleek laurel]

Cause this team has a lot of offense

[plain kestrel]

Rest in speed

[sleek laurel]

How much speed is that? 24?

Yeah

[plain kestrel]

You have tailwind

[sleek laurel]

24 hits uhhh 144 which

Yeah ur right

Yeah this is good

[plain kestrel]

You need like 127 I think that’s 127

I may be wrong

[sleek laurel]

No, 24 speed hits 144

Which outspeeds basculegion

Which is good

[plain kestrel]

That’s fine

Yea but we should be modest

[sleek laurel]

For the moves you still want Heat Wave, Solar Beam, Overheat or Weather Ball and Protect

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

24 Modest hits 144

[plain kestrel]

Okok

[sleek laurel]

Lemme put all this in a paste for ya @lethal ravine

[plain kestrel]

You don’t even need all that speed too with whims incin you deter lots of basc

You have the investment to live at -1

[sleek laurel]

Also sorry for getting aggro earlier scooby, lowk we are just so used to having randoms try to overrun our rates 😭

[plain kestrel]

If you want to be slower you can

[plain kestrel]

Sorry too

We both tryna help

[sleek laurel]

If you want to be slower I would still run 133 Speed minimum to beat opposing Venusaur's Sleep Powder

Dwdw lol

[sleek laurel]

And then you can do 20 Modest

[plain kestrel]

Yea I run 134 speed

[sleek laurel]

Yeah for sure

Yeah 134 with one creep and 20 modest for the jump

[lethal ravine]

fair nuff

[plain kestrel]

I have eweb so 134 is so tuff

[sleek laurel]

134 is so stuff w web yeah

Beat gar

But lemme paste all this rn

https://pokepast.es/0fcd3e4130662ff0

@lethal ravine

I don't have a good Venusaur spread so Max Max is just damage

You can tweak that around if you find anything

Otherwise I do trust this team is fine

[plain kestrel]

We should ev for venusaur living flare blitz from opposing incin with that occa

After a fake out

If that’s possible

It’s good

[sleek laurel]

That's good yeah

I think you already do but maybe not in Sun, lemme check

[lethal ravine]

well im running grass knot instead of sludge bomb

[plain kestrel]

Sludge bomb pressures floette and gardevoir pretty important to have imo

[lethal ravine]

ill make that change later

[sleek laurel]

You can do 1 HP / 13 Def / 20 SpAtk Modest / 32 Speed on Venusaur

Minimized the chances of Fake Out + Flare Blitz killing and always allows you to live Adamant Flare Blitz

In Sun, with the berry

[normal willow]

What do I put on the farigiraf?

[sleek laurel]

Lemme see in total

Lemme put yours on a paste too lol

[normal willow]

https://pokebase.app/pokemon-champions/team-builder?share=H4sIAN9A6mkCA42T3W7bMAxGX2XQtS_0TynPsbshF5QoDcHSZkvaYluRdx8Vp7a5DWiRwIB9bImHH_WqXtQuTOpR7dTn86F--_XpfDo9XNSkvvKjmGsxKUAndK4FjdYXm11jfFK7jsdLm9RF7b68qu_z6-C0cT2EqMFg9K6Xkj2_jndsMKXSkg4m1eQB-G7gwx2jzT5V59GkmIvtHqEzfuAtBo8mJQyEtlRegVpqEAafkS1bRBRpRUagGsuCwIoFfSW1n9QTF3RuR_zZxiK_eX89Lb_9dVqEayHK3Reu3SAEX7SBsfgqXLQQLoiLMIVUTEgRQ3CEmaInVwfeCAOJ-kKDtfQokVsQNNEmirc2zqg6gayvb8LljC8j26Hr7MR_-68w2GZFwqnpIIShy4T1WPOecPTeOOJ2EXdOV-uAuyCFtRb1pZY-YJWMaBOVPmqav-ryq-T9m_CP50N7WoWH6yzNwo_Px-PWuvuwtcbknJzrIq37GvOYa4xirgtZYQ09yyLtGrOXw8tHakEBxARYY1Zr2RA-OP-L-SZsgMXHRebcexUnOcNfOTdhDH0osfGtc9tEjaiSShi73w-mHMaa84KSQI37to6wlyMM-f0RnlS9Vd7Qa0LOgqC3lhx1Ikvqur_-AcfuOjoNBQAA

This is what I got so far

Haven't put the farigiraf in yet

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/52b7e27803e2f5d3

@normal willow easier lol, there ya go

[normal willow]

Thx

[normal willow]

What is helping hand doing on torkoal

[sleek laurel]

If its low on hp

It's just a good move to have on non-Choice sets to support Golurk or Kingambit

When its either low on HP or when the opponent has Fire resists

You can use Earth Power instead if you want but like

Mega Golurk

Lol

[normal willow]

Low hp heat wave, fire resist, earth power

[sleek laurel]

You can do Earth Power instead too just fine

[normal willow]

Yeah, I'm more comfortable with that

[sleek laurel]

Thats okay

[normal willow]

The EV spreads look pretty specific, are they made to cover certain matchups?

[sleek laurel]

Some of them are

Some of them are just defensive investment in general

[normal willow]

Fair

[sleek laurel]

"Hit specific offensive points and rest in bulk" kinda stuff

[normal willow]

Fair

I just did 32:32:2 for basically all of mine

Also, is taunt not good on incin?

[bronze ether]

Sun boosted flare blitz

Hits pretty hard

[normal willow]

Tbh i barely even use the incineroar

[lethal ravine]

https://pokepast.es/735c185bd0d53436

@sleek laurel @plain kestrel

[plain kestrel]

I’m not a blastoise specialist but I see them run with farigiraf

For prio block speed control and manual rain

So I recommend the approach of tailroom

With like incin sinistcha farig blastoise

[lethal ravine]

this shit outspeeds without trickroom

[plain kestrel]

And then a fast most

Mode

I don’t think sleep talk rest is the correct set either

You can do fake out protect spout dark pulse

Or shell smash over fake out

And have like peli basc as ur last 2 maybe idk

But ya tailroom is what I’ve seen from blastoise

You prob want protect over U-turn on things

Bulk up on corv

Archaludon is fine but I really like the white herb set

U have too many overlapping weaknesses

I think farig sinistcha incin blastoise is good start sinistcha can redirect and heal the blastoise

[lethal ravine]

hmm

can you send a set with that

[normal willow]

I know not using John vgc is a cardinal sin but I don't like em

[plain kestrel]

I’m too busy rn to build but I can message and help

[lethal ravine]

ok

[lethal ravine]

pecking duck

whats the

site

[plain kestrel]

its called the frontier vgc

[lethal ravine]

thanks g

[plain kestrel]

yee

https://pokepast.es/daad409d2b82e582 id do this

you seem weak on paper to kingambit but like sneasler hits that

basc is well protected by farig

[lethal ravine]

dm the thingy to me

the link

[plain kestrel]

and like phantom force is so sheist cuz you basically phantom force + tr so basc moves first and is semi invulnerable, then ur super slow in tr so youre vulnerable the whole turn and you can attack with farig or just tr again. they can switch to a resist but they dont know what slot youre targeting so they have to play it right which is a lot of mind games for them and they cant protect so

or set up rain

or do hwtaever

https://thefrontiervgc.com/usage

if you want shell smash you can do that on blastoise. u can also do fake out

protect dark pulse/aura sphere, water spout

thats what id do

sphere probably a bit better into kingambits

and your fast mode sneasler basc hits so much in the format and trades well

i used this 5 without blastoise (aggron over it) and had bare sucsess too so i think you can definitely start there

https://pokepast.es/207ae691e3958879 cc is there on incin to pressure kingambits further if you really hate that thing

id start here i dont think its perfect but itll def work

i dont have spreads for you tho im too busy to calc stuff up rn

[plain kestrel]

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69d3c3270e548b5c2fbe4826/player/pokefey/teamlist

is this the basis you were building off of

[normal willow]

I started with home made and some guy on Reddit helped me fill out half of it

[velvet grail]

Is this for doubles?

This is an odd team, I know.
Format: (Champions, Doubles)
I'm using a support Alakazam (which may be later swapped to Clefable) with magic guard and skill swap to help set up either a scarfed Archaludon to spam steel beam or to allow Mega Floette to use Light Of Ruin. That is the entire point of the team, so please don't advise me to stray from this gimmick.
I also did make this team in a way that allows me to still function if the setup fails.
The rest of the team is mostly themed around supporting this play-style, with Scovillain for instance, being a great support mega in bad matchups for Floette while also being able to deal with Aggron teams.

I'm not 100% confident, however, on my movesets or item selection, so please lmk how this can be further optimized.

[ripe turret]

I think you surely want a sash here somewhere no? either on zam or dactyl

since both are so frail

[velvet grail]

You're right... I thought I had a sash Pokémon here but I think I could just sash aerodactyl

[ripe turret]

I think mental herb is droppable because honestly nothing is running taunt in this format

also psyterrain + eforce seems like too much work, I’d just do psychic and run double screens

[velvet grail]

For Alakazam, while that would be fantastic for her with Floette, when I'm pairing her with Archaludon she gets sturdy

[velvet grail]

The terrain is more to stop priority

[ripe turret]

ok that makes sense

[velvet grail]

I can screw with kingambit teams that way and if they never decide to attack me I can use eforce

[ripe turret]

also you probably don’t need cm + dkiss on floe

since it’s meant to be a nuke here

you can keep cm ig

but protect>dkiss seems like a good choice

[velvet grail]

I'm definitely keeping calm mind for now, I originally had giga drain but maybe I go for protect?

Yeah

[ripe turret]

and also protect>iron head on dactyl

to preserve your sash

I’d also do tailwind>wide guard

[velvet grail]

For some reason I thought kings rock existed in this mode so that's kind of a placeholder move

[ripe turret]

since floe isn’t the fastest

[velvet grail]

Good thought

If I'm not running sash on Alakazam, what should I run?

@ripe turret

[ripe turret]

not sure if there’s really a better item for it tbh

I guess you could do like a resist berry if that changes a calc

[velvet grail]

I'm thinking I will run sash Kazam actually

[ripe turret]

alr

[velvet grail]

And water resist berry aero

I figure the scariest thing for my aero ATM is like flip turn

[ripe turret]

ok

that works

[velvet grail]

I'm also maybe gonna reduce my speed investment on Arch so I can skill swap before it clicks steel beam

Thank you for all your help though!!

[ripe turret]

yeah ofc

[velvet grail]

Skill Swap + Magic Guard

Archaludon (F) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 10 HP / 32 SpA / 24 Spe
Modest Nature

• Steel Beam
• Draco Meteor
• Thunderbolt
• Flash Cannon

Alakazam (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Magic Guard
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 SpD / 32 Spe
Timid Nature

• Skill Swap
• Expanding Force
• Psychic Terrain
• Reflect

Sinistcha-Masterpiece @ Leftovers
Ability: Hospitality
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 17 Def / 17 SpD
Calm Nature

• Matcha Gotcha
• Protect
• Rage Powder
• Trick Room

Floette-Mega @ Floettite
Ability: Fairy Aura
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Timid Nature

• Light of Ruin
• Protect
• Calm Mind
• Dazzling Gleam

Aerodactyl (F) @ Passho Berry
Ability: Unnerve
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Rock Slide
• Dual Wingbeat
• Tailwind
• Protect

Scovillain-Mega (F) @ Scovillainite
Ability: Moody
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 HP / 24 Def / 10 SpD
Bold Nature

• Overheat
• Rage Powder
• Protect
• Helping Hand

Final Team I think

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/37e759babf30dba5

[drifting onyx]

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[autumn wolf]

wait thats the one without evs

https://pokepast.es/27bcded7f94433af

[distant trellis]

What are the gambit evs for btw

Also I think basc is just better than pala here

[autumn wolf]

I’m ngl I’ve never rlly used kinggambit that much so I kinda just eyeballed it cuz I built the team kinda quick

[distant trellis]

Ur milotic and washtom matchups also be lookin less like a mu and more like a click forfeit

Icl

Stoise is a workable mega I'm just not sure if this is how I'd go about it

Like ur really laying on the overlapping weaknesses and while rain does stack a few waters there's nothing being done to rly address the rain checks for the most part

Honestly how I'd go about this is two ways

You can either build stoise as a second mega off rain cause it's honestly perfectly fine as a second mode in the right comp or you have it on rain over the second water that's not peli imo

Like imo you drop palafin altogether maybe tech on big archaludon and then go maybe sneasler over sinis?

Sinis is fine here asw ig but sneasler gives you an offensive floette check and can provide setup opportunities asw

I'm also a bit of a sinis hater in this meta

It has a lot of really weak mus

[worthy hollow]

https://pokepast.es/f2da0e9e1a81daea
Wanted to make a rain team with blastoise-m. I think all the members in the team are nice except for mudsdale (Yes shit pokemon). I originally added it there since it can favourably OHKO no hp no def inv M-Floette. Otherwise can someone rate my team?

Also mudsdale is the only member who can reliably function in TR. But in general I really need help with the Rotom-W MU

[prisma sandal]

impossible for me to get rotom right noiw so thisis the alternative team i made, any suggestions?https://pokepast.es/7b2a585456237ca2 i know its not very good

[austere swift]

https://pokepast.es/9cfd0a51011ba4bc

Rainy counterattack, meant to abuse Mega Scovillain to burn everything.

[lethal condor]

https://pokepast.es/4d90943b48799b5a Thoughts? Any huge holes? This is the best I've put together as a team to beat both Zard Y and Flo.

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[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/1c52c0f68495aa84
how unviable is this team
i just kinda made it to use mchomp

[pallid bramble]

https://pokepast.es/085faf4ef5233651
need opinions, just made this team for champs

[lethal ravine]

who's gonna set up snow

for 100% blizzard

[mint thunder]

https://pokepast.es/0f4198ff9184662b any suggestions for this team? I wanna add mega crabominable

[lavish trellis]

https://psim.us/t/1700429 can someone give advice?

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[drifting onyx]

Hey @flint moat, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9championsbss team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060690402711183370 instead.

[flint moat]

https://pokepast.es/971833bab4dd4f58

[winter delta]

My rain snow team idea

I just realized I forgot to give beartic icicle shard

Spear

I also forgot about charcoal

[mint raft]

Your ninetales isn’t setting snow on switch in

Gotta swap its ability

Unless that charcoal is a stand in for froslassite ig

Even then I’m not sure if it’s better to have ninetales as a backup snow setter or just an annoying kill in snow

Other thing that would be worth looking into is your win rate with slush rush vs swift swim beartic

[pallid bramble]

mega froslass isnt enough?

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/34cb398a82078f1f I'm making a rain team for a tour I have tomorrow Is there anything I should keep or delete on this?

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[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/e4c929578df1bd29 hey all, can somebody give me some advice on my mega venusaur team? based it on xen0's team but switched a bunch of stuff around

[lethal ravine]

Have you heard of the glorious idea of

Chlorophyll Venosaur

[hybrid summit]

Yeah, it has chlorophyll before mega evolving. I sometimes keep it un-mega'd to take advantage of the speed boost, but its main purpose is as its mega, not as the classic chlorophyll sun sleep powder set. Or are you suggesting I completely throw the team around to become a sun team?

[sand minnow]

Some people have started using vanillux

[sleek laurel]

Vanilluxe on Mega Froslass teams isn't it

It's really a very niche mon and usually outclassed by Ninetales except in p much JUST the Wolfe case

[sleek laurel]

Hows Gyarados treating you?

If it's doing fine I think the team is fine as is

Kasib Sinistcha is knower stuff, v good against Bascu

[sleek laurel]

Mega Froslass has Snow Warning, that's not a worry lol

[pallid bramble]

dont build it yet, i'm saving my resources, lol, first time playing any pokemon so dont have pokemons at home lol

i will test it in showdown first, but i am just confirming the team is at least ok

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/3d81cda8cf94538e

mega garchomp tailroom

[ornate vault]

Been running this Mega Camerupt TR team in Champs and loving it, but thinking about if I need a second TR setter, maybe adding to Gardevoir? Don't bring her very often https://pokepast.es/e69d1c02b3d42962

Cofagrigus is great but i feel like in a best of 3 it's gonna be hard to use the same TR setter every game

[lavish trellis]

https://psim.us/t/1700429 guys is this good?

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[rose seal]

what should the 5th mon be here

[daring fable]

Coud someone give me advice on my Sun Team? https://pokepast.es/37aa40b2416ccd3a

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/8df30413f341ca6d perish trap w or nah

[lethal ravine]

alrighty

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/24e6a31b1456e12e I'm not bringing incin like at all and i feel like washtom could be bulkier

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[light nebula]

i plan on changing out wash for heat once i get one but hydro pump is pretty shnice so im having second thoughts

it kinda just feels like i have 5 mons because any time i think incin would be good i end up just bringing rotom anyway and still winning

[distant trellis]

Who is rindo berry for?

Venu?

[light nebula]

mostly just so that rotom has no weaknesses

its good for scovillain though which is nice

had to deal with one of those earlier and it came in handy

same for sinistcha

to a lesser extent tho because washtom doesnt hit it that good in return so its kinda up to a partner

usually thats ttar or mchomp

[distant trellis]

Imo I think general bulk with sitrus is better on that guy

You don't do anything to sinistcha regardless

Unless you wanna run shadow ball ig

[light nebula]

oh thats not a bad idea

[distant trellis]

And if incin isn't coming a lot you could consider sneasler

Coaching sneasler seems really juicy here

You also punish opposing incin with white herb

[light nebula]

i thought about sneasler but was afraid it would be too fast for tr mode

[distant trellis]

Hmmm

That's fair

I do actually like the tr mode here

[light nebula]

its been REALLY fun

it took me out of this rut ive been in just stuck in ub3 not gaining much

[distant trellis]

Is there any matchups you're struggling with?

Only one I can see being horribly annoying is milotic

Ig floette looks rly scary here asw

[light nebula]

yeah i was gonna say milotic has been terrible

if i play right i can handle floette though

and i REALLY like that

[distant trellis]

Hmmm

Bit of an odd suggestion but mega meganium potentially

[light nebula]

yk ive already got a meganium build i could actually do that

i think i screwed up the evs on it though i just ignored any bulk investment

be a good excuse to actually go back and fix that

[distant trellis]

I do worry about the floette mu a fair bit tho icl

You can tech something really funny on rotom if you want

Eerie impulse

Cause without a fairy resist it's super free to spam dgleam

[light nebula]

yeah thats why i was saying i wanted to replace wash with heat

i do see the vision though and i like it

[distant trellis]

Alternatively over mega meganium you could slot on smth like aegislash

Albeit I actually don't love aegi on trick room

Aegislash actively wants to move last

[light nebula]

that was another thing i thought about but decided against because aegislash generally wants to move after the opponent

it feels weird pairing almost any speed control with it

[distant trellis]

I'm just rly thinking you need a fairy resist

If you do get rotom heat btw then you need to consider basculegion

In which case you absolutely wanna run mega meganium

Cause rotom wash is ur only real stopgap againsf the fish

It's not the worst since under tr you can one tap it easily but outside of tr those wave crashes look nasty

[light nebula]

yeah once i get speed control basc gets picked off pretty quickly

oh wait a sec

what about kingambit

[distant trellis]

That works too

Doesn't solve milo much but

Ehhh

You'll be ok

I lowkey do fw mega tar here btw as second mega

Just so you get extra damage asw

Oh btw be careful of opposing tr

Mega crabominable goobs this team super hard

And mega camerupt with sun support also goes ballistic

Lowkey

If you wanna be really mean

Go imprison on the oranguru

[static kayak]

Does it absolutely have to be poke paste or can it be a rental picture

I’m a little desperate for help

I know there’s overlap and I’m not sure who to replace or what to change

I want to keep my whimsicott

I want to replace prima fo the type overlap but I don’t know a good water pokemon that is both good and doesn’t bring in a different overlap

I might replace froslass with another mega and bring pelipper and arc

[lethal ravine]

@sleek laurel wanna see a team rn

[sleek laurel]

I can't do huge rater work rn but show

[lethal ravine]

oh no its fine

you can do it

slowly

https://pokepast.es/e032aabf8005570a

this is the team, im already making a couple changes here and there but this is the team

it

needs a huge rework

i made this team back when i didn't know the meta

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I mean

Whimsi looks strange in this comp and so does Milo and Corvi to some extent, the other 3 are good mons (for this team) but sets are strange

Well Arch is mostly fine

Peli wants Weather Ball > U-Turn and Blastoise needs a full set rework

[lethal ravine]

the corviknight is from my legends za ou days

[sleek laurel]

Lmao fair

[lethal ravine]

it was built for a mega heatran team

[sleek laurel]

Corvi is keepable but it also needs a huge set rework

[lethal ravine]

mostly as a pivot and a tank

[sleek laurel]

The other two should go for this comp

[lethal ravine]

hmm

[sleek laurel]

But I'm really too busy to fully flesh this out today

[lethal ravine]

https://pokepast.es/0a7fc79501e82099
now here's the one i am making

[lethal ravine]

thats fine, tomorrow i suppose?

[sleek laurel]

Yeah, or tonight maybe

[lethal ravine]

hmm, just ping me

[lethal ravine]

just give this a view

its not

fully complete

but still

[sleek laurel]

Looks better, not feeling the Meows at all but otherwise yeah

Farig Toise Peli is fun

[lethal ravine]

i

dunno

i think i just want a small cute pokemon who can do set up

[sleek laurel]

Except for some items ig

Oh

[lethal ravine]

but

im willing to use smth else

[sleek laurel]

I mean you can try and force it but it's not good lol

[lethal ravine]

oh

basculegion

i forgot that shit exists

[sleek laurel]

Bascu is probably the comp-optimal choice yeah

[lethal ravine]

yeaaaaaa last respects

[sleek laurel]

Farig probably wants Sitrus, I like Kasib on Sinistcha to help against Bascu

You survive a Last Respects as long as its not 200 Adapt

And Peli still wants Weather Ball > U-Turn

Arch should be Lefties + Stamina

[lethal ravine]

no magnet huh

[sleek laurel]

Magnet is unneeded

And also run Life Dew, Trick Room or Protect > Stun Spore probs but if its treating you well that can be kept ig

[lethal ravine]

farig has trickroom

[sleek laurel]

Otherwise looks fine

Yeah I'm aware

That's why it's not mandatory

Rain Dance Farig is also tech but I respect it lmao

[lethal ravine]

yeah im using life dew

[sleek laurel]

Life Dew is nice w Water Spout

[lethal ravine]

its realistically not gonna see much use

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

You could run Helping Hand too

[lethal ravine]

considering its just there for weather clashes

[lethal ravine]

farig?

[sleek laurel]

Rd is for just

Yeah exactly

[sleek laurel]

Ye

[lethal ravine]

idk what to replace then

[sleek laurel]

Rain Dance if anything

Otherwise keep it as is

Rd is fine for weather clashes if you find it useful

Esp since zardy venu is horrid for this team lol

[lethal ravine]

that zardy venu is op as shit

but it gets hard countered by rain lmao

ngl my old showdown instincts are still up

pivot techs are of yore

oh yeah @sleek laurel just quickly tell me

good items

for bascu, farig, peli

[sleek laurel]

Scarf, Sitrus, Sash

[sleek laurel]

Real lmao

But if you've even got Rain Dance on Farig then U-turn is really wasted

Esp since it just doesn't work like that in VGC anyway

[lethal ravine]

Im an ou player as you clearly see

[lethal ravine]

Wouldn't scarf be unnecessary

Or are we running adaptibility

[sleek laurel]

Adapt

Swift Swim just lacks power in general and Adapt Scarf is more versatile

It's only outsped by Washtom, but without Adapt you don't OHKO it anyway unless 200 BP

Plus, it doesn't OHKO you back 87.5% of the time, and honestly the tradeoff of this much general power for a 12.5% chance to not lose to Washtom is sus lol

Plus, Adapt in Rain OHKOs Floette with Wave Crash which is huge (just Rain doesn't OHKO the bulkier ones)

[lethal ravine]

EVs are attack and bulk?

[lethal ravine]

https://pokepast.es/a847e73d863ea621

so im making a meme team

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New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lethal ravine]

:)

[sacred pebble]

[Champions] VGC 2026 Reg M-A https://pokepast.es/d75be70413796c0d the whole team is pretty much abt setting up crabs anger point with frost breath

[rose seal]

Need help what is wrong with this team it’s losing so much

[cedar moon]

yall fw this team :3

[fossil wyvern]

Is it okay if I show a national team

[fossil wyvern]

Your team core is off tyrantar is amazing with exadrill with sand rush and corvknight is also great coverage but everyone else in your team takes chip damage becuase off sand so I recommend something different and if you want to keep floette you should change tyrantar ability these are strong Pokemon but the weather makes half your team good other half not so much like with incenroar who’s not the strongest tank ever tlyk is going to take chip damage which might not be a lot but it can be much so I recommend more steel types or ground but if you want to keep everyone just change the ability’s and exadrill because he’s almost always only good in sand

Sinitcha also good for healing redirection but also takes chip damage

The moves are good but sinistcha trick room only benefits two of your Pokemon tyrantar and incenroar

Knock off might be better with incenroar becuase he’s more support and not tyrantar it does get a stab bonus but it would benefit more from incenroar yk maybe a stronger nice dark move would work idk

I’m just writing from my experience

[modest mural]

made a champion vgc team around skill swap mega starmie: https://pokepast.es/23aea2afb5fa7cc5

kingambits EVs are to outspeed mega gengar and aerodactyl in tailwind
26 speed EVs on rotom heat is to outspeed opposing scarf rotom wash and pivot
speed on starmie is to outspeed my garchomp by 1 (as well as outspeeding opposing non-scarf chomp which is nice)

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[fossil wyvern]

That’s a great team great synergy but one question why skill swap on star mid

Starmie auto correct sorry

[modest mural]

huge power garchomp/kingambit is funni

[fossil wyvern]

That is lol

[mental burrow]

Here's one of my attempts making a vgc team https://pokepast.es/1cee3dfbdfa355e8

I feel like the team has potential but I might need to change a few things around wether it be stats or moves.

[fast summit]

https://pokepast.es/3b5c3f58a450c3e7

made a round team with sylvie

any improvements would be good

[plain kestrel]

I think it’s cool just by looking at it I mean idk exactly what you’d be weak to just by looking at this

Which is a good thing

Are there particularly any bad matchups for you?

You have the fastest mons in the format is that enough for speed control for the team

You could also now work on the ivs on things

Calc for living against meta threats and ko’ing them as well

Kang can be built bulky I think it’s better that way also like for Sylveon at least put that 32 in defence into hp

Shadow claw on Kang too imo you don’t need that you can do protect or low kick I like protect more

[fast summit]

yeah protect is working better than shadow

no ivs in champions tho

[hybrid fable]

my kid made this I got fixes for him but I'm impressed he got this far

[light nebula]

your kid kinda smart actually

let him cook

[main pecan]

http://pika.team/My57rsYnHw

[lavish trellis]

https://pokepast.es/eced45d7fe9f642b guys is this team good?

[drifting onyx]

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[distant trellis]

Sinistcha should have at least one attack

Also uhhh if ur cm floette you definitely don't want max max

Cm floette tends to invest heavily in bulk

The 6 seems to be fine I just think the sets are odd

No steel stab aegislash is a little suspect

[lavish trellis]

Do u mean one sp ttack stat on sinis? I lowered sp def by one for spa and what stats u think u should put on floette?

[distant trellis]

I can pass you the spread I've been using

[distant trellis]

Nah as in no attacks at all is bad

I'd drop reflect for matcha gotcha

[lavish trellis]

It... Already has matcha got?

[lavish trellis]

Sure

[distant trellis]

Wait

Oh mb

Lol

It's fine then

[distant trellis]

32/0-/18/5+/0/11

That spread lives a Kingambit iron head and an adamant sneasler dire claw

You can make it faster to outspeed scarf basculegion at -1 if you want tho

[fast summit]

https://pokepast.es/df67c63e179431f0

looking for imporvements in my rain team

[lethal ravine]

@sleek laurel yo
here's the full team

https://pokepast.es/60b1c9dbd38e767c

[woven cliff]

https://pokepast.es/43dc9389912da231

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/b9e1da73a1351720
Houndoom

[mental burrow]

I would like rating on this team https://pokepast.es/f0733e8e77a7e63f
I made it so that I have the option to have a trick room mega to counter tailwind focused teams and a mega frosslass to fight against weather.

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/6ca47309f39f8a93

Getting back into vgc so this is a older team i played with adjustments

• Calyrex has enough speed to outspeed base sppeds under 100 spped (incin, rillaboom, raging bolt, etc) but still slow enough to work in trick room against the faster mons like miraidon and koraidon.(this principle also applies to urshifu). Tera fire is for burns and mirror matches but Im willing to change it
• Whims has tera water over dark for the bulk and i haven’t had much trouble against taunt
• Ursaluna for trickroom mode and incin for support of both trick or tailroom

Weakness

• calyrex - i. Eats almost everything i throw at it and destroys Miraidon and resistsmy caly-i
• Grimmsnarl
• G-weezing + calyrex s leads are pretty brutal.

Is my team alright or should i change anything? Thank you

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[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/fcaac493ca6dadf7
Oh well the team changed into something i guess

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[main pecan]

https://psim.us/t/1707837-qqe6anfxdjsq74aowi9g

[random wagon]

unfortunately i don't think this team has much merit at all. aerodactyl is the only really viable / good pokemon on this team and you get rolled by a lot of comps rn, one that seems most prominently troublesome is mfloette balance

https://www.smogon.com/discord/lt-samples

id suggest checking out some of these teams to learn more about the meta

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/69c30ae236f5b5c303dbce1c/standings

you can also probably check out some teams here to also learn more about the meta

unfortunately houndoom does pretty much nothing that other pokemon cant do better

plus it requires sun support to deal actual damage and it is often just too much effort to execute

and that effort often results in a mediocre at best product, while it could be spent on something far better like charizard-y

in a mega format you want your megas to be good just because of the oppurtunity cost

so if there's a better one you should be 100% be using it isntead

[random wagon]

you usually never want clashing weathers on a team

having charizard-y + peli + ttar is going to present many issues (anti-synergy)

so to start i'd just pick one

since you have dnite and basc i'd say pick rain?

and drop char-y and ttar for sinistcha and something else (scizor second mega?)

[lethal ravine]

humuhumu

[urban pilot]

https://pokepast.es/ec681286154fe2c5 taking an attempt to try and build kommo-o + mgar in champions reg ma, but the last 2 slots don't feel too great to me personally, wondering if there's something i could run in the last 2 slot or if i was too ambitious with clef as the redirector (also, please ping me if you do give feedback)

[fading wyvern]

So not really a team rating, but I am using scarf typlosion and comfey, I don't know what else to add, HELP!!

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/21dffaef9945abc5
been wanting to bring this team to a tour, testings been going pretty well, but archaludon/basculegion has been giving me a lot of grief. is there anything i can change to fix that or do i just have a skill issue?

[modest mural]

u can prob run klefki over whimiscott with twave and dual screens for speed control, as well as making kommo-o very hard to get rid of

also based on there being 2 setup pokemon , u prolly will appreciate a fake out user

[random wagon]

please dont do this

klefki without light clay + in charizard format = hot garbage

on a separate note

sneasler looks good here

fake out + ttar answer

drop chomp i think?

[urban pilot]

alrighty

[random wagon]

gengar also doesnt need wisp either, disable is pretty evil to run next to whims

[urban pilot]

is there a specific set you would suggest?

also yeah i forgot to update this i decided to run disable eventually over wisp

[random wagon]

probably just white herb, fake out, cc, dire claw, protect, 2 hp 32 atk 32 spe adamant

[urban pilot]

sad, i wanted to run wisp gengar but probs not that good in the current format in this team anyways

[random wagon]

yeah format is kinda run by special attackers

unfort

[urban pilot]

alrighty, thank you for the suggestion

[random wagon]

np

may also suggest giving lefties to kommo-o and chople to kgb?

though that's a preference thing

[urban pilot]

would you suggest iron head or low kick over sd on gambit?

i feel like i can forego both but i was wondering if that's a decent option

[random wagon]

if anything here id suggest low kick

iron head probably isnt necessary since your only really hitting fairies with that when u have gengar + sneas

low kick helps in mirror and vs ttar

among other things

but those are the major two

[urban pilot]

i see

i will experiment with low kick then

thank you very much, i appreciate all the suggestions

[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/af4306a455d5e9fa is this a decent snow team

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[glacial lotus]

I feel like milotic might be better than rotom but the sun weakens milos water moves so idk

[distant trellis]

Yeah this is fine

Idk if I like shadow ball on rotom

Electrowebs on that guy is super clutch for the aerodactyl mirror

[glacial lotus]

Oh

3 electric moves and hydro then?

[distant trellis]

It allows you to lead froslass rotom and just ohko the aero immediately

While denying tw

Assuming they have no fake out ofc

[distant trellis]

Yeah

You can keep shadow ball if gengar or sinistcha prove annoying but I don't see a need for it personally

Since it's quite a weak move from rotom and sinistcha should be 0 trouble for this team

[glacial lotus]

I see i see

Ty

[distant trellis]

Np

[fast summit]

https://pokepast.es/841dd4a2838df92b

made this rain team

would like scope for improvement

[distant trellis]

I feel like the protects are seriously lacking

Sneasler has a free fake out into most of this team

And especially on a mon like Kingambit itll struggle to position well when it can't protect

[fast summit]

should i put protect instead of swords dance?

on my kingambit?

[distant trellis]

The idea is fine

Starmie is a cool mega

[distant trellis]

I'd say so

I don't love sd gambit in this format

Not carrying iron head feels a bit silly with floette running around

It can work but you have to tech against floette elsewhere

But even then there's a handful of good dark resists in this format

Oh wait

Dude run zen headbutt on starmie

😭

[fast summit]

oh yeah

maybe thats y im struglign with sneasler 💀

im so smart sometimes

[distant trellis]

Liquidation should still kill that guy unless it's bulky sneasler

But it's nice to secure the ohko even at -1

Plus the second stab is nice for things like milo and sinistcha

Zen headbutt 2hkos that evil milo guy so

Also also uhhh

You should be fine with wisp rotom and sneasler but be careful of opposing Kingambit

You have tools but it threatens all your attackers

That's why a lot of basc are aqua jet actually

It means gambit can't sucker punch it reliably

[fast summit]

yeah i should run zen for milotic

ok thanks

[distant trellis]

You have strong offence and anti incin tech so this team is pretty neat

Idk if I like rain dance rotom but it kinda works in cts

If this is for in game ladder that is

[fast summit]

i added rain dance specifically for dual setters like froslass nine tails or charizard y and torkal

[distant trellis]

Never a bad idea to screw over zard y tho considering you have two guys who don't wanna be in sun

A bit silly especially with no way to play around fake out but it's workable

I will say for zard y you can just basculegion that thing

If it's no bulk it still takes around 80% from wave crash in the sun

I've killed it with fake out + wave crash

Gotta mind solar beam tho

[fast summit]

should i replace tailwind with protect on peliper

[distant trellis]

You can drop wide guard if you want

I kinda like wg here but tectless peli feels bad

It's usually either or tw or wg yk

[ornate harness]

https://pokepast.es/823aa21466dfa860 What would yous replace Aggron with?

any other tips?

[fast summit]

most of the time

the double into my peliper

[distant trellis]

Sash ttar is definitely a choice

Lowk just go excadrill

And mega ttar

[ornate harness]

Close Combat Snealser will always ohko Ttar even when mega

[distant trellis]

Excadrill actually ohkos bulkless floette wheras aggron is a roll

[fast summit]

zenn headbutt is so good into sneasler and milotic 😭

and venasaur 🙏

[distant trellis]

Just don't leave it in front of sneasler

[ornate harness]

Venasaur has dropped in usage

[ornate harness]

Aigt

[distant trellis]

You can tech sash excadrill

And you have a farigiraf

Sash exca outspeeds it under sand and can send sneasler to valhalla

Idk if I like the sinis set all that much here but it's aight ig

Your corviknight mu seems kinda suspect I will say

Nothing here hits it well

[ornate harness]

It works very well in trick room and into Milotic, Basculegion etc

[ornate harness]

I don't have one

[distant trellis]

If you struggle with those guys then it works

[distant trellis]

Yeahhhhh

[ornate harness]

Should I get it?

[distant trellis]

I think instalosing into a reasonably common mon isn't ideal

Scovillain also seems annoying

[ornate harness]

this this good

[distant trellis]

That's fine yeah

[ornate harness]

Why did you say "Your corviknight mu"? I don't have one

[distant trellis]

Well yes that's a bit of an issue

[ornate harness]

for who?

[ornate harness]

oh matchup

[distant trellis]

This team in general

Spicy spray annoys exca ttar hard

And you don't have a method of removing it quickly

You could maybe go your own milotic?

You can put it to sleep so it stops clicking rage powder

And you can also chip corviknight down

[ornate harness]

I always lead Incin and Frarig which can flare blitz and hyper voice into Scovillain

[ornate harness]

instead of what?

[distant trellis]

That kinda works

[distant trellis]

I was thinking maybe sinistcha but up to you

You just have to tech for corviknight

Freest bulk up body press brave bird spam in the world

[ornate harness]

not really

[distant trellis]

What stops it

Incin can't even intimidate it

And when it starts clicking bulk up the flare blitzes are gonna be tickling it

Ttar excadrill don't put enough pressure on that guy either

[ornate harness]

Who's good into corv, basc and Milotic

[ornate harness]

😭

[fast summit]

500 thunderbolts

[distant trellis]

Dude I love rotom so much

Only good electric type in this format

2nd place is archaludon

[fast summit]

i attempted to play with teh revised team

and got cooked by gambit

[distant trellis]

But yeah try rotom

Yeah it's a tricky matchup

Only sneasler hits it

[fast summit]

maybe i should try rotom heat

[distant trellis]

Not on rain

[ornate harness]

For who?

[fast summit]

and shoot a overheat at it

[distant trellis]

I'd say sinistcha but you can experiment

Since sinis actually does smth in tr rotom doesn't

[distant trellis]

You lowkey might need big chomper

[fast summit]

i want to use him

but i have nothing good to par him with

[distant trellis]

Bro does tell gambit to put that sucker punch on arceus before chipping it with rough skin and sending it into the ether like it's wiley coyote

[fast summit]

real glaze

but i can only use him with peliper

[distant trellis]

Garchomp is crazy in this format dude

No eq is fineish

[fast summit]

tehrwise my team is dead

[ornate harness]

What set should I put on RotomW

[distant trellis]

Dragon claw helps with stuff like dnite anyway

[distant trellis]

I'd say scarf? Sitrus is ok too but that's already taken

[fast summit]

should i just

put sash on sneasler

and pair him with eq chomp

[distant trellis]

Nah go uhhh

[ornate harness]

Sitrus isn

t

[distant trellis]

Stomping dclaw rock slide it's chill

Oh it's not?

Try sitrus then for the longevity

But both work

[fast summit]

should i sub chomp out of rotom or the gambit

[distant trellis]

I like gambit here personally cause otherwise floette mu goes to giga hell

[ornate harness]

On who?

[fast summit]

rotom

[distant trellis]

Rotom

[ornate harness]

k

[fast summit]

i think my gambit gets ohko by a light of ruin tho

[distant trellis]

If you sub off rotom rock slide slimes out yardy

[distant trellis]

It does but if that's the case then it's ohko'd by sneasler

[fast summit]

yeah

ill sub out rotom

[distant trellis]

You can get really greedy on chomp

And go stomping tantrum rock slide sd

But that might be larp

Greed they talk about in the bible

[fast summit]

yeah

rockslide is like 10% accuracy

[distant trellis]

For you

[fast summit]

yes

[distant trellis]

For your opponent it's 90% flinch

Never forget

[fast summit]

yessir

what item should i use on mr chomp

[distant trellis]

Anyway try that see what works

Uhhh

Sash is doable just for the occasional froslass

Oh wait sash gambit

Make that guy black glasses

Lol

Then go uhhh

Sash or white herb and put sash on sneasler

Roseli berry is an option asw if floette is scary

[fast summit]

most of the time

i can make sure sneasler goes before floette

[distant trellis]

Then sash seems safe

It gives you one turn against froslass

[fast summit]

im running chople on kingambit

[distant trellis]

Chople is aight too

I prefer glasses but either is good

[fast summit]

i love starmie

[ornate harness]

Should I go nasty plot or will o wisp

and what spread

max spa max spe?

[distant trellis]

On sitrus?

[ornate harness]

yes

[distant trellis]

Sitrus runs some bulk

[ornate harness]

what speed investment?

[distant trellis]

Lemme find a spread for you

[ornate harness]

okay and nasty plot or will o wisp

[distant trellis]

Wisp fs

Plot isn't rly worth

[ornate harness]

yeah that's what I chose

[distant trellis]

Wisp just makes basculegion and Kingambit cry themselves to sleep

And if garchomp isn't lum berry it also hits like a noodle

[ornate harness]

indeed

look good?

hello?

[distant trellis]

Hmmm can't find a spread used in a tour

I'd say run enough bulk to always be able to guarantee a 3hko from adamant sneasler close combat

Or basically just take less then half

Or if you take more let sitrus recovery keep you out of range

[ornate harness]

how much would that be

[distant trellis]

If it does 60% or less you're fine

Aim for like 55%

And then dump the rest into special attack and speed

If you're modest you can just snipe bascu immediately btw

[fast summit]

i wish mega starmie got wave crash

cant even ohko alolan ninetails

[distant trellis]

Oh yeah general rule of thumb

If a pokemons base hp stat is way lower than it's defences it's more efficient to invest in hp

For instance iron hands rarely ran hp investment because the stat was so high

And it's why blissey never runs hp investment

[fast summit]

https://pokepast.es/57b6d01e8bccd701 ok final revised team

[ornate harness]

thanks

[fast summit]

time to buy a garchomp

[distant trellis]

This is cool

Idk if I like self destruct starmie but

Whatevs

[fast summit]

i like yelling nuclear bomb

and wiping out the first two pokemon hitting the field

[distant trellis]

It's more of a haha funny then anything that good

Aqua jet/flip turn is generally more useful or ice spinner if you think dragonite is a big meanie

But self destruct is funny in cts so like

You can cheese people with it

If that's your goal on in game ladder

[fast summit]

hitting champions is the goal

[distant trellis]

In a bo3 ots tour I'd drop it for flip turn

[fast summit]

ill prob replace explosion once i get bored of it

for flip turn

[distant trellis]

It or aqua jet

Aqua jet lets you pick off faster sash mons or hit gambit before it can sucker punch

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/85012f6cc7a00306
the what

[glacial lotus]

The drink?

Wait no

[distant trellis]

Wrong reply I think

[glacial lotus]

My bad vro💔

[cerulean sky]

What would be a good replacement for Sneasler? I hardly find myself bringing it, even to Floette matchups because I fear it dying to Aerodactyl/Talonflame or just Floette in tailwind. Every other pokemon has some role it fills on the team, but I do not see myself bringing Sneasler often.

So I am looking for a replacement to Sneasler, probably another win condition if Primarina does not look good in the matchup. The main matchups I notice myself struggling with are Chlorophyll Venusaur (Especially with Coil Milotic), Gengar (Who simply outspeeds and ohkos Frosslass before I get Aurora Veil up) and Meganium (Who for some reason ohkos Frosslass through Aurora Veil with Weather Ball).

Obviously, other notes are appreciated if you have them, but those are the biggest issues I've run into so far.

[fast summit]

if ur worried about sneasler dying in all of ur matchups

just run sash instead of white herb then

[cerulean sky]

Talonflame and Aerodactyl are almost always running Dual Wingbeat, so that wouldn't work.

[fiery elm]

Run that weird physically defensive sneas set

[quiet jasper]

Idk how I feel about meganium but idk what would fill its role better https://pokepast.es/a85aa5b79051def9

[outer sluice]

Hi. This is my first attempt at teambuilding in champions, changing things as I climb bit by bit in showdown. I'm really bad at competitive, I admit that much. So I want you guys to tear me apart and drag me to hell.
The central idea of the team is my favorite cat Meowscarada. I thought about Ally Switch mind game, but in the end I can't resist trying to make Meowscarada the star, the carry, the sweeper. Hence the scarf Protean set. I had U-turn because she's fast enough to reposition in a bad matchup, Low Kick because I have nothing else to deal with Kingambit, Sucker Punch over Knock Off because I feel like I often hit mons with mega stones.
Gyarados was initially added for no apparent reasons, other than Grass<Fire<Water (my thought process is incredibly noob I know). But it felt okay when it could stick on the board and distract from the threat of Meow.
Dragapult is a screen support, because this is not sash Meow and I don't want it to die. It also destroys Sneasler with Psychic Fang.
Tinkaton is the main fakeout lead, dealing with Farig and Floette. I initially ran Feint instead of Encore, but Trick Room was way too problematic without Encore.
Raichu is the ultimate Gyarados support. I need a Lightning Rod, and I need an answer to Intimidate counters. When it works, Alluring Voice is so funny.
Skarmory is the newest change. I honestly haven't had a satisfactory pick in this slot, but I guess my team could use Tailwind and Brave Bird. Bonus points for being offmeta and another mega option when I'd rather have Intimidate.

I'm not sure if it's the team or just me, but I don't know what to do against perish Gengar

[lavish night]

lead dragapult and any offensive pokemon

first to scout for their own offensive moves or to see whether they're full support Gengar perish trap

Or you can probably put a pelipper on the team and just go and hope you straight up nuke the support so hard you can win with your backline pokemon

[desert kayak]

when they protect -> setup
when they cant protect -> hit hard

[fast summit]

for anti perish

i like running basculegion for heavy damage

with scarf and adaptability

[lavish trellis]

Oh yeah, Since i saved rhe stats and are just xhanging then now, do u mesn theese stats on floette kr sinis?

[distant trellis]

Floette

That spread allows it to live adamant Kingambit iron head and adamant sneasler dire claw btw

[fast summit]

https://pokepast.es/84b45c022bb6f257

@distant trellis

revised my team one more time

[distant trellis]

How are you finding it

This seems ok albeit 4 whole ass water types is a bit of a concern

[fast summit]

oh yeah

i added a set where milotic makes people sleep

and sinista supports milotic

[distant trellis]

Archaludon starts electro shotting and it don't stop electro shotting

[fast summit]

and spams hex

[fast summit]

uhhhhh

sinistcha redirection

[distant trellis]

The hex idea is fine

[fast summit]

oh im goign up against archaludon rn

ill letu know how it goes

[distant trellis]

Workable but be aware that the rain mirror usually packs one guy who can send sinistcha to a pokemon center

Dragonite and pelipper both pack that guy up

[fast summit]

uhhhhhh

mega gengar sniped my sinistcha

and i got electro died

yeah ts not working

[distant trellis]

Yeah figured

Even on rain teams you can't stack that many waters

[fast summit]

sad

what other pokemon should i sub instead of sinistcha and milotic

[distant trellis]

Big chomp 👍

[blissful falcon]

Hey, this is my first team I've actually built myself and I wanted to use something a little less common. I've been making Mega Scizor work but a second opinion would help before I commit to building it on Champions specifically if it's worth keeping Garchomp https://pokepast.es/4f56b3beea455d41

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bleak grove]

tr rain, fully aware it sucks but im still building it
https://pokepast.es/e9a5a5015bb9a35c

[jade dirge]

Def not, chomp has no eq resists on your team

There is only pelipper as a partner

Id swap it for smth like bridge or a different mega

[jade dirge]

also, can smth give me pointers on this team?

https://pokepast.es/641972346b87096d

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jade dirge]

i feel like this team is missing smth

but i dont know what

[ripe turret]

wyrdeer is frankly just a terrible mon, and empoleon is sorta just a worse milotic

also not a fan of weavile here personally

not seeing the reason why you wouldn’t just do incin sneas +1 here

your EV spreads are also not great here

for sini do 32/0-/14+/0/20/0

maggron you want to max out hp and invest much more in spdef

and floette you want to be bulkier and slower since it’s a cm set

[daring fable]

I made a trick room team that I wanted some advice on changes I should make. https://pokepast.es/29d8d61ff7443217

[lavish trellis]

https://pokepast.es/5d4043b8c690d6ce ive revised my team, idk shat jm missing rho, and idk the main gameplan too well, i usually just lead aegislash sinis to set up

[jade dirge]

thank you very much

[jade dirge]

i have wrydeer for intim and skill swap shenanigans

also just an added tr mon

it can skill swap its intim onto the opposing side to proc empoleon's competitive

but i can see where you're coming from

[jade dirge]

weavile because it matches well into chomp sneasler

i was debating on low kick or knock, but i found gambit to be a problem without it

[slim citrus]

https://pokepast.es/add9fd76c73c7835 how is this anti meta trick room team?

[jade dirge]

crab has hyper cutter before mega

so its immune to intim

and it matches remarkably well into chomp incin

[slim citrus]

oh true, ty

[jade dirge]

aegislash can take on floette sneasler by itself

torkoal and slyv are just plain good in room

[slim citrus]

yeah thats why i added him, i got the evs just so he'd be able to 1 tap floette with w iron head

is there anything else I could do to make it better or no

[jade dirge]

give tyrantrum rock slide

[slim citrus]

is that over ice fang or thunder fang

[jade dirge]

prob thunder fang

i also see gambit and basculegion being a problem

lowk, you could switch tyrantrum for gambit

[slim citrus]

crab is slower than gambit, no?

[jade dirge]

outside of room, you're cooked

and your room setter is bad against both

[slim citrus]

oh def

[jade dirge]

switch slowking for farigiraf

and tyranturm for sash gambit

also, remember to make torkoal drought

i just noticed its shell armor lol

[slim citrus]

i had tork off drought so i could have chilly reception slowk

[jade dirge]

drought reset chilly

you can have tork in the back

that way, you get max sun turns

also, run protect and earth power on tork

instead of willo and bpress

shadow sneak might be better than swords dance, but you can test it for yourself

switch crabhammer for protect

in general, tr teams should have prot to make sure you dont get nuked in the first turns

[slim citrus]

i really only had swords dance to stay on shield stance for longer if i needed

[jade dirge]

fair

[slim citrus]

would gambit be the standard dou set? (kowt sucker prot swords dance)

[jade dirge]

no

drop swords dance for low kick

its too valuable against ttar and opposing gambits

[slim citrus]

and what item would that be on farig

[jade dirge]

you have aegislash for fairys anyways

[jade dirge]

prob sitrus, but you could run mental herb if you want

[slim citrus]

are there any threats to farig besides gambit and incin?

[jade dirge]

not that I can think of off the top of my head

[slim citrus]

sinistcha legion?

[jade dirge]

maybe a double up from both opponents

[slim citrus]

idrk how offensive sinistcha is though

[jade dirge]

but thats just gameplay sense

[jade dirge]

its not

[slim citrus]

im just minmaxxing farig's defensive typing rn

[jade dirge]

its meant to be a support mon, most only run matcha gotcha

[slim citrus]

i cant really stop a late game last respects no matter my evs so i think im fine

oh wait im dumb farig's normal type