VGC Rates

[distant trellis]

Hopium

[acoustic slate]

But I feel like it won’t be prankster because and I quote “it was moving first a lot”

[distant trellis]

151 speed guy moves first

More at 7

Anyway mega emboar isn't good but if you're gonna use it then like

That might be the best way to get use out of it

[acoustic slate]

Wouldn’t even make sense to give it prankster because it already has 151 speed and doesn’t really have the tools to use it anyway

[distant trellis]

However if you're using this for anything serious I'd unfortunately say please don't use mega emboar

[acoustic slate]

Yeah I know

[distant trellis]

I love it too but 😭 ✌️

Lets get cool new signature abilities and not tell emboar aaaaaa

[acoustic slate]

SIIIIGH

No it’s ok I’m not still mad about it or anything

[proper arrow]

Garchomp, M-delphox, aero, incin, milotic, sneasler. Would be a clear improvement.

I just want to not have all top 20-15 used mons

Ik im literally running chomp,aero milo..incin doesnt count he's my boy

[distant trellis]

That's lowkey pretty darn good unironically

You could run scarf rotom

Over milotic

Just to maxx garchomp spamming

[proper arrow]

Hmmmmm

Okay bet

[distant trellis]

And you end up with pretty standard delphox ho

I will say a lot of these guys can also be paired with mega zard y

[proper arrow]

Zard y also fights rain

[distant trellis]

It does

You don't have to but like

Might be worth considering here

[proper arrow]

Zard y, chomp, aero, incin, sneasler(unfortunately), and rotom-W

[distant trellis]

Yeah this is like

Just a very good sun offence team

Funnily enough it's very similar to the sun team Aaron Cybertron Zheng built

[proper arrow]

Alrighty, I might as well roll over and play it. Ive been fighting trying to land on something else but just missing a few pokemon I would of wanted, maybe next season

[proper arrow]

I can see that

[distant trellis]

It just has aero over venu

Which can help with the mirror

[proper arrow]

Sweet

[distant trellis]

As you can lead fake out mon plus aero

And then you secure speed control over the venusaur

If you run into whimsicott instead

Just click rock slide

[proper arrow]

That easy enough haha

[distant trellis]

Zard y tends to not appreciate that

[proper arrow]

Its why I run it on Gar

If i wanted to cope a pokemon into the list where do I cut?

[distant trellis]

Rotom ig

[proper arrow]

Alrighty, ill keep that in mind..I might really enjoy the rotom

Thank you !

[distant trellis]

Np

[desert kayak]

kids never run zard Y unless you wanna reject your humanity and become an outcast 🤞🤞🤞

https://pokepast.es/5d32347de71a57b1

Zard X humble upgrade

[proper arrow]

I knew i wasn't crazy..

[distant trellis]

Oh yeah then own tempo sure but like

You're still getting flare blitzed into the next dimension

[proper arrow]

🥀

[desert kayak]

isnt venusaur really worth running with z*rd Y

[proper arrow]

Yeah 1000%

[distant trellis]

Not even every sun team runs that guy

Ftr

[proper arrow]

But its nice

[wanton abyss]

why are we censoring Zard Y

[distant trellis]

Oh it's good but not mandatory

[desert kayak]

social reject pokemon

[desert kayak]

its just a free speed boost

[distant trellis]

Yesn't

[desert kayak]

if you’re running z*rd Y atleast go all in with venu sleep powders and such

[distant trellis]

It is but like

Only on the venu

[desert kayak]

yeah without it its on nobody

its a sun boosted team without nothing to boost

[distant trellis]

No cause you run whims

[distant trellis]

The whole ass charizard in question

[desert kayak]

it had chlorophyl?

[desert kayak]

obviously

[distant trellis]

It does but why

Prankster tw

Fake tears

Zard tears everything apart

Wheras venu doesn't love a tw mirror

Cause then oh damn now they're faster

Now im gonna die

[desert kayak]

yeah but if you run sun why not get all the benefits of the sun

do some photosynthesis

sunny boy

[desert kayak]

z*rd Y

[violet valve]

Im building a perish trap team
The team is gengar sinistcha basculegion politoed kommo-o
What pokemon can fill the 6 slot?

[distant trellis]

You don't always need to

Zardy is enough by itself

Venu is like ok you wanna gamble sleep powder or nah

[desert kayak]

missing out

[desert kayak]

zard Y user mentality

[desert kayak]

you can use other moves

double speed is double speed

fire-grass goes well together

[distant trellis]

Grassroots tour from last week with 500 players

Venu is definitely not mandatory

[distant trellis]

I'd help you out but it's lowkey 1:45 am rn although this feels kinda weak to offence cause you don't rly have a good way to stall perish turns

Albeit perish gar can just be a tech option

More than a dedicated wincon

[broken shuttle]

it should just be incin here

[violet valve]

Ok thx for the feedback

[distant trellis]

Incin is good yeah

Fake out lets you play the 3 turns

[violet valve]

So would I play sitrus berry on incin or sinistcha?

[wind glacier]

I keep losing in champions at ub4 ugh 😭🙏

[buoyant lily]

Hi! I’m pretty new to VGC-style doubles but I’ve been working on a Trick Room team built around support Mega Floette and wanted some feedback from more experienced players.

The core idea of the team is Mega Floette + Hatterene + Torkoal. Instead of running Calm Mind Floette like most teams I’ve seen, I’m using a support set with Helping Hand + Charm so she functions more like a tempo support(?) while still threatening strong Moonblasts. The goal is to enable big spread damage turns with Helping Hand + Fairy Aura boosted Dazzling Gleam / Eruption under Trick Room.

Here's the team:
https://pokepast.es/3eff18c2b8511208

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[desert kayak]

use solar beam on torkoal

i dont think you should waste a slot on floette with helping hand

[buoyant lily]

i found it gives her something immediate to click under trick room and I've gotten some good use out of it

helping hand dazzling gleam takes some important kills that regular gleam wouldn't

what would you replace it with?

[desert kayak]

if you wanna play floette under trick room you should be supporting the floette because helping hand is a common move

farig has it

incin has it

and since it has access to calm mind it would be difficult to remove

[buoyant lily]

ah okay. I was trying to make a more support floette set work still. Do you think it's just a bad idea? I considered running pollen puff over helping hand too

[desert kayak]

i mean why would you use your one mega as a support

when other support pokemon can do its job atleast as good

[buoyant lily]

bc fairy aura seemed really strong if the team was built around it to me and it can still click moonblast for very high damage

I appreciate the feedback tho, I'll try some changes like you said when I have a chance

[desert kayak]

if you have two fairies on the field you’re really weak to steel tho

[buoyant lily]

that's true. That was my rational behind bringing torkoal. Once TR is up he can also delete steel types and pollen puff keeps eruption strong if I decided to add that

[desert kayak]

makes sense in theory idk how practical it is tho

fakeouts stalling etc

you donr have a way to punish stall

swords dance on kingambit would be good i think

I would change sinistcha for farigiraf maybe, It also has helping hand and blocks prio

idk how much you plan to heal

[buoyant lily]

I'll def try swords dance on gambit

sinistcha is the slot I wasn't really sure what to do with so I'll try out farig too

thanks again man. I gtg but I'll try your suggestions out later tn

[languid basin]

What set would you Recommend for Incineroar?

[random wagon]

Incineroar @ Chople Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 15 Def / 18 SpD / 1 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Darkest Lariat
• Parting Shot

[languid basin]

Why Chople Berry and not Black Glasses?

[daring fable]

Hey I wanna try out a different team and I decided on sun. Could you review it since I'm using an unusual mon.
https://pokepast.es/7d35bf53f15f08f5

[random wagon]

why black glasses on incineroar? its not meant to be a damage dealer

+chople makes you stronger into sneasler

[random wagon]

idt dragapult is necessary here

you'd benefit far more from a different pokemon, probably something like kingambit or scarf basc?

also would shift sash to venu and give whims occa berry instead

venu really needs the sash and running occa berry gives you room to run a bulkier whims

[languid basin]

??? isnt that what Darkest Lariat is for tho

[daring fable]

Ok then was just curious is all.

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/d50545dde920f0fd

What about the ev spread is this solid?

[random wagon]

no its just generally solid stab

[random wagon]

looks fine, drop sands for weather ball or overheat tho

[modest mural]

i tried it and here are my general takes, can u please explain the parts i dont get?

I miss having protect on corv, i dont see myself clicking roost a lot (though it does clutch sometimes), bulk however is great.

EQ is great however no having rock slide on chomp kinda feels bad for me, especially without ttar since rock hits so much stuff for super effective and it flinches.

And finally, without ttar i literally cannot kill that giraffe

the rest of the changes u make feel good tho

[broken shuttle]

tect on corv is pretty reasonable still, you can consider rock slide over dragon claw on this since your mu into opposing garchomp is pretty solid w. corv

you have max attack incin into giraffe surely that + neutral hits is fine

[modest mural]

Ok ill try that

Oops i forgot abt that

Anyway, thank you!

[acoustic slate]

https://pokepast.es/6cbcd7c2d7f518f0 I realized I didn’t have enough vp to make my previous mega emboar team so I’m wondering how good my current team is. (It’s centered around mega lucario)

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[desert kayak]

how does lucario synergize with rain

[sleek laurel]

What's the fourth Sinistcha move?

Also, I'd try to run 3 Speed on Arch to outspeed Scarf Basculegion under Tailwind

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/d0593232272cedbc

[acoustic slate]

Reducing the power of fire attacks while also power up basculegion, so when lucario dies because it’s not very bulky, basc can help clean up

But I did make this team only around a day into champions

[acoustic slate]

Life dew, idk why it had rage powder twice

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/bc20e09058ee69ac Any thoughts on this team?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Yeah figured

Team seems to be fine on paper, anything ur struggling with?

Not a big mluc believer but the team looks perfectly fine for that mon

Which seems to be ur core anyway lol

(+ mon's not great but there are deffo worse lmao)

[acoustic slate]

Not in particular, most of my losses have just been from either me obviously misplaying or getting taken off guard by some bo1 ladder nonsense

[sleek laurel]

Yeah natural

The team seems to have covered most stuff

You can try like

Replacing Flare Blitz on Incineroar if you find ur not clicking it much

Because of Peli Arch Bascu core

If you do so, I would consider Taunt

Because Taunt in this meta is scarce and valuable

And this is a fast Incin

[acoustic slate]

Makes sense

[sleek laurel]

But that's like

Only if you think ur not clicking Blitz

Because I can also see this team being played w luc incin bascu sinistcha

[sleek laurel]

Actually wait I skimmed over something

Consider Jolly Basculegion if Mega Gengar is a threat

Because Mega Gengar still outspeeds Adamant Scarf

You do lose some rolls so it's really just preference

[acoustic slate]

I have actually lost a game or two due to this exact interaction and I felt like a fool when it happened

[sleek laurel]

Yeah lmao it happens

[acoustic slate]

I think I’ll probably use jolly even if I lose some rolls because me confidently clicking last respects into a gengar only to eat a shadow ball to the face is a bit embarrassing

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/ec324a24b2dcc3e7do yall have any improvements for this, like slight pkmn adjustments etc

VGC REG M-A

[torpid mason]

You forgot a whitespace between your url and “do”

Breaks the link

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/bc20e09058ee69ac Any thoughts on this team? I wanted to know what sorts of improvements I should make to it

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/ec324a24b2dcc3e7

[ocean estuary]

https://pokepast.es/9bae803b71a576ce Can anyone give some advice on how to improve this team (besides adding Incineroar)? Absol feels super out of place here and I really struggle into Venusaur sun teams and my team doesn't love Froslass snow but I can work my way through it. So that led me to think replacing Absol with a physcial fire type would help but nothing really stood out to me. Should I swap Absol out or can I make it work with this team and if I am switching it, what could fill in that spot

[ocean estuary]

Was also thinking Altaria. Resists fire and grass and takes away weather but I know its stats are not great

[desert kayak]

build it as a bulky support

it has willowisp, tailwind, helping hand

[ocean estuary]

Not a bad idea. Would tailwind be a little redundant on it since I have Aero running it? Both are super weak to ice so it’s not like I would bring one over the other

[burnt surge]

https://pokepast.es/b81b3b13539f0b0f
Won a roomtour with this but I'm a bit unsure on what I should do against VenuZard lead. Is just threatening Trick Room good enough or do I need to change some stuff here?

[left creek]

Is this a good team for champions?

[drifting onyx]

Hey @daring fable, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9championsbss team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060690402711183370 instead.

[daring fable]

I'm messing around with different mons for trick room and wanted advice on the team I've made for pokemon champions

https://pokepast.es/57ce408b3dcb3a22

[drifting onyx]

Hey @daring fable, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9championsbss team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060690402711183370 instead.

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/e0f1f233586e1496 I fixed the link for the team

[drifting onyx]

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[fringe hare]

https://pokepast.es/6b74a4e0fdd59000 I've been building this trick room for champions, I need help figuring out two other Pokemon to balance it out and counterpick and I also need help adjusting the movesets and stats

[drifting onyx]

Hey @fringe hare, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9championsou. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[burnt surge]

Good lord there are so many players

I feel sorry for you raters

[winter delta]

I'm trying a dual team of a trick room sun and tailwind

I do plan to add Pelliper and swift swim beartic but I need to obtain the two first

[jovial creek]

Threatening with incin+sinis feels right to me?

It might not be fun but I think its 100% playable

[jovial creek]

I would advice that if you use mega aggron you use it as a setup mon with idbp and partners like sinistcha and incin that can help it setup

It doesnt work too well as an all out attacker because it doesnt do much damage unboostes

[burnt surge]

That was my theorycrafting in the builder, yeah

[jovial creek]

Dm me

This channel is for completed teams

[jovial creek]

Yeah it doesn't look like you lose on preview or anything

[burnt surge]

I was considering switching Sinis for Aero as alternative speed control and a better MU into sun

but that makes me very weak into rain

[elder island]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1687733-25i137fii9gdu3xrwqas it's felt solid in testing but i havent thought a whole lot about the spreads and it hasnt been tested at a particularly high level

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/d0593232272cedbc
Thoughts? I like the megas and incin here, but the other slots are flexible. Most HP evs optimize for hospitality, but for the most part I just hit some speed benchmark, hit a bump and dumped the rest into bulk, so some ev guidance would be nice too

[desert kayak]

triple weak to electric

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/cb819ca03385f6bf

Thinking of swapping milotic for rotom wash for better water coverage, thoughts?

he has speed control with eweb

[bronze ether]

wheres the third

[echo bough]

I’m in low MB rank with this - Aggron is ridiculously good against physical teams and can even sweep without TR up. Delphox is a nice plan B if I don’t think TR is possible. I’m not 100% sure about Conk although it really does hit a lot of the current meta really hard

I kind of auto lose to strong special attackers if I don’t have speed control - and even if I do it’s really only Charizard I’m taking out with Stone Edge (explicitly for him)

[desert kayak]

mb I thought rotom is

[winter delta]

How can I improve upon this team?

I was thinking of removing extreme speed or thunderbolt for protect. Maybe changing Palafin out aswell

[tepid plaza]

I dont use a team like this, but another friend of mine who uses dragonite and used to run palafin, says he prefers choice scarf basculegion

[winter delta]

I'll make sure to grab him when he's available to recruit

[tepid plaza]

what rank are you btw

[ocean lantern]

you should run fake out on sneasler, and meowstic is pretty terrible

[tepid plaza]

oh yeah I didnt even see that

[ocean lantern]

gunk shot can go

[winter delta]

I added Gunk shot because delphox kept surviving dire claw

[winter delta]

I love meowstic but you're right. The moment serperior goes down he just stands there

[tepid plaza]

also I think your team would benefit from tailwind on dragonite

[ocean lantern]

whims does that already

[tepid plaza]

i forgot my bad

[winter delta]

What criteria should I have when changing serperior and Meowstic?

[tepid plaza]

for us to answer that you would need to tell us their exact purpose

[winter delta]

A team that suports Dragonite is really it. I use serperior and meowstic to baton pass spa boost to Dragonite to sweep

But when I can't use serperior which is a lot since a lot of teams have had Charizard. I use whimsicott to tailwind boost Dragonite and helping hand to boost him instead

[tepid plaza]

I'd also like to know if you guys have any suggestions for me to improve my team. Im happy with it in its current state, but any advice with reasoning is appreciated

[winter delta]

I should add thunderbolt back since helping hand thunderbolt one shots mega zard

[ocean lantern]

sash whims really wants protect so you dont lose it to random priority. I would put sludge bomb on gengar somewhere

[tepid plaza]

thing is, thunderbolt gives me answers to rain teams which are really popular. do you think in the current meta, sludge bomb over shadow ball is worth it

[ocean lantern]

the only thing you would rather hit with tbolt is pelipper, who usually runs sash anyways so you won't get the ohko. the other water type rain mon is basculegion who is weak to ghost

[tepid plaza]

its also really useful vs aerodactyl tho

[ocean lantern]

idk, if you dont miss sludge bomb keep tbolt

[tepid plaza]

but what would you say is more useful in my team, sludge bomb or shadow ball

[ocean lantern]

not so sure tbh, i never drop sludge bomb but thats bc i wanna hit floette, but you already have three resists and venusaur has a chance to 2hko it

im not that good, i just pointed out a few issues i found

might want to wait for someone else to help you

[tepid plaza]

okay thx regardless

[ocean lantern]

Np

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/74a31f6e48297578
Disbanded the fire water grass core in exchange for some fighting stab, since I got destroyed by an archaludon. This also helps against kingambit. Again, evs aren't perfect

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[proper arrow]

Maybe its just swapping to sand? Maybe the sword?

[drifting onyx]

Hey @sacred peak, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9championsbss team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060690402711183370 instead.

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/f8c289050b990244

[lethal ravine]

hello there

https://pokepast.es/80525e33715d540c have at you

chandy core team

based mostly on debuffs + the speed kills from dragapult

[mighty ledge]

https://pokepast.es/bc2defa40894f8cd can you rate my team

i figured champion about weather war but not terrain and with mega alakazam expanding force and prankster meowstic psyhic terrain its only user in champion its therathing for almost every team i also added sylveon helping hand to if meowstic faints

[sacred peak]

good morning guys, spent the weekend thinking about a team for masterball but ive realized that my team building skills aren't so good, so i need some opinions (specialy in this talonflame)

https://pokepast.es/66546ac86e5e3161

wht do you guys think?

now thats right

[daring fable]

I swapped Aggron with Ttar does that work well? Also what other changes would you suggest

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/3111ab4e13e0fece

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/7459eeb69312e681 thoughts on this team?

[drifting onyx]

Hey @fringe hare, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[lethal ravine]

https://pokepast.es/abd7889a3e171dff
very much inspired by wolfe glick

[humble wasp]

I know this got crazy potential I just need more coverage

[mint raft]

Almost feel like it’s better to run mega aggron than aggron colbur (?) berry

[mint raft]

Why the slow sneasler

A lot can get away with taking away from speed investment under tailwind but sneasler constantly has mirror matches

[fleet cove]

https://pokepast.es/357aa3b0f0425dff

[burnt surge]

is this... reg d?

[fleet cove]

yes 🤑

i havent played comp in a while thats why

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/411e3244207f0361 Any adjustments I should make?

[drifting onyx]

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[split reef]

https://pokepast.es/45a7b051d284b845 opinions?

[humble wasp]

Should I go max speed or just a little more points also is there anything else

[mint raft]

I’ve been running adamant 32 spe myself

I’m content to speed tie

You might not be

I’ve noticed a slight shift toward jolly recently but I myself prefer the damage even if I take a turn 1 fake out

[humble wasp]

so should I get rid of the health or just keep it how I have it

R u saying like it’s a preference thing

[mint raft]

It’s sort of a preference thing

I mean my question would be does that extra health help you live a garchomp eq

If not

I’d probly dump it in speed

[elder island]

taunt on talonflame is worth a shot imo

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/523258ae45339961

[winter delta]

https://pokepast.es/af3d8d45717aa204

What's the score for this team?

[fallen cedar]

https://pokepast.es/565ec855812223b4

rate my team pls

reg m-a

[burnt surge]

Is putting Lum on Incin better for VenuZard or do I become too Sneasler weak?

[jovial creek]

I think it can be preference

imo the sneasler mu is more relevant then venuzard so I'd do chople

[burnt surge]

Gotcha

Because I'd been playing a couple of VenuZards in LT and I feel lost

Bc if I FO Venu then Zards gets to pop Occa and potentially crit

But if FO Zard then Incin gets slept

That's why I was thinking Lum Incin to make that simpler

[winter delta]

Help improving this team so I can escape great ball

[austere swift]

I've got a rain / counterattack-based team, how can it be improved?

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/f9964475d3c06666 should i use i sm else instead of sneasler

[drifting onyx]

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[bronze ether]

for better kingambit counters?

i was thinkin of talonflame

[bronze ether]

u could play rain

u have 2 good rain sweepers

[winter delta]

The only rain setter I have is the frog

If I see Pelliper then he be a great pick to slot in as my tailwind setter

[winter delta]

I grabbed Archaludon from the recruit. I could try having Dragonite set tail wind instead. Atleast till I get Pelliper

[tidal sluice]

I really want to use mega Beedrill as he's my favorite mega, so far this team hasn't been bad, the 6th slot however im struggling with, I imagine a support redirection or wide guard mon would be smart, any ideas?

Also im relatively new so idk the best way for evs to be used

[winter delta]

Mega Beedrill is the 'Fuck it we Ball' Mega. All in on attack. Game freak should remove its HP and put it into Attack and Speed more

[tidal sluice]

Fr

Scarf garchomps love it tho😔

[winter delta]

You can try setting Tailwind to try dealing with Scarf Garchomp

Oh I see aerodactyl has it

How much do you use Serperior?

[tidal sluice]

Quite often I feel

Probably 2nd to aerodactyl

Used to be a hydrapple...yeah that went really well

[ocean lantern]

Use draco instead of dpulse on serperior. Natures on it and lucario look suboptimal, lucario probably wants an atk/spe boosting nature and serperior's is just weird since you're boosting a stat that is lower than 3 of its other stats and you don't even have evs in spa. Getting to the spa you want with evs only and boosting a defensive stat with a nature is probably better and will save you evs

[tidal sluice]

Serperior doesn't learn draco meteor

[ocean lantern]

Nature boosts a stat by 10%, so the highest stat always gets more value out of it. If you're trying to boost a stat that is not your highest, first see if you can get there only using evs

[ocean lantern]

Ok that might be just volt white 2 my bad

[tidal sluice]

Those look a little better?

Oops forgot to swap around stuff on lucario actually

[ocean lantern]

Use the calc to see if there's anything you want to outspeed with those two, taking tw and scarf into consideration

No speed ivs on either of them looks kinda rough

[tidal sluice]

Is there a website for calculating things?

Also

[ocean lantern]

It will show up if you search pokemon showdown calc

[winter delta]

Serperior isn't really bulky enough to make use of left overs

[tidal sluice]

Oh thx

[winter delta]

Rate the Meowstick team

I swapped earth power for protect, and dazzling gleam for weather ball

[ocean lantern]

Only one mon has protect, you need more of that

And hex or hyper voice on rotom aren't too good, pump + electroweb + tbolt + protect would probably be better

[ocean lantern]

It's two of them I didn't see it on arcanine mb

[winter delta]

I'm not able to afford Rotom. They're a loan currently

[ocean lantern]

Oh

[winter delta]

Thanks for the moveset recommendation

Should I give Hattrene protect as well?

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/61845f00f5590ee8 thoughts on this team?

[fiery elm]

https://pokepast.es/d4593829f73f404c

I dont click roost too often on dnite despite it being very nice against sucker punch. Ive been trying to decide on other options: tailwind, espeed, or a fighting move(goobs gambit and ttar which dnite otherwise does shit damage against). Superpower or low kick would be the most consistent but i wonder if focus miss would be worth gambling(goobs arch and the rare mega aggron)

Open to suggestions as well as better ev spreads for arch

Overall the team had lots of success

[woven panther]

is scarfed aqua jet really worth it?

couldnt you maybe get more value out of flip turn

[fiery elm]

Bro

[woven panther]

i suppose its for gambig

[fiery elm]

Look again

[woven panther]

gambit

[fiery elm]

Flip turn is the first fuckin move

[woven panther]

oh im tweaking

okay thats good

but isnt there other coverage that could be more valueable, idk i dont run basculegion me personally

so idk what moves he gets

i think its a great team

very solid core

[fiery elm]

You should never click coverage moves on basc bruh

[woven panther]

obviously your megas arent the most mainstream so theres definately a higher skill gap

[woven panther]

why

[fiery elm]

Ask somebody else bruh im gonna eat

[woven panther]

? okay i think the ev spreads are fine

[winter delta]

I've had another dumb team in mind here. Ignore Froslass Charcoal. I don't have her mega stone yet

I need pelliper though since Politoed can't set tailwind

I also need to swap beartic Icicle crash for Icicle shards

It's a snow and rain team

[mint raft]

encore over taunt 100%

and I prefer acrobatics to throat chop but yk situational

[winter delta]

I chose Taunt because Trick room is a big counter to my team

Which is why I also have taunt gengar for farigiraf

[fiery elm]

Encore also can technically reverse trick room although i do not recommend it.

But your gengar already has taunt bro its already enough for trick room

I dont get what haze is doing

[winter delta]

It's a bit dated. I updated the team a bit

[fiery elm]

And special attacking arcanine may be worth looking into (you dont hate intimindate enough)

Mega meow

[winter delta]

Hold on I jusg sent the wrong ones

[fiery elm]

Put that shit away dog

[winter delta]

Hey, Meowstic is the goat

[fiery elm]

Its never gonna get psychic surge bro

[winter delta]

I'll figure it out eventually

Anyways I forgot to screenshot it

This is the Gengar I'm using though

Also you be surprised hkw I get psychic surge up

I jusg throw out Whimsicott with Hatterene

They can only choose one to fake out or taunt

I only won 3 games from like 13 played

But when I did win, Meowstic was goated

[fiery elm]

Like

Just use mega zam

[winter delta]

No, I want to use Meowstic

I'll figure it out someday

And figure out Emboar

Then I'll retire my Dragonite

[mint raft]

you're not stopping a farigiraf tr

which is the best one imo

idk if its the one you've seen most tho ig

[mint raft]

classic "broke team works" mindset lmao

trust me dude I was using mega greninja

just cuz you win 3/13 convincingly doesn't mean your team is good

everyone can find convincing wins against the right matchups

but a great team doesn't need to fish for optimal opponents

also I don't think hatterene can be taunted

which is something to keep in mind

[winter delta]

Gengar could. He outspeeds farigiraf

[mint raft]

yeah but that removes the need to have taunt on whimsicott

whimsicott is one of the best encore lockers

how fast is that arcanine

[winter delta]

I was joking about meowstic being goated. I know that he's ass. I lost 10 games with him

[mint raft]

sure would be nice if some pokemon weren't so garbage

I'd do anything to get pre-gen9 protean for greninja

[winter delta]

I trained him in bulk. 14hp, 20Atk, 10Def, 20sp Def, 2 speed and Impish nature

[mint raft]

your tr mode is just a little strange

cuz your only slow mon is hatterene

arcanine at base 95 is still not slow

[winter delta]

Hattrene doesn't have trick room. She's there to open psychic terrain and hopefully fast with quick claw

[fiery elm]

#1059704283072831499 message

im gonna repost this but i want an extra set of eyes on the 4th move for mega dnite

[mint raft]

oh I misread

although if you can't stop tr

you could lean into a tr mode with hatterene

[winter delta]

That's not my main team. I just use it for casual matches

[mint raft]

which of like the 20 you put down was your main lmao

[mint raft]

do you see play out of low kick on dragonite

i'm actually curious

[winter delta]

On rank I run Mega dragonite

[fiery elm]

did u read the reasons why i was thinking about a fighting move

i put the reason right there

[winter delta]

I like to try coming up with silly ideas. I tried psych up Meowstic with Serperior

[mint raft]

i mean there are reasons and there are results

two different things

[fiery elm]

well like i said, i rarely click roost

[mint raft]

yeah but im not asking about roost stats

[fiery elm]

which is why im exploring other options

just cuz a move is uncommon doesnt mean it has no sauce

[mint raft]

yeah i mean i like a bulky cotton ball too just give him encore

[mint raft]

i didn't say it didn't

i just wanna know the usage rates

[winter delta]

On Showdown I made a duel weather team that had Beartic used in both. Hatterene uses trick room with torkoal and the rain side, Beartic has swift swim making his very slow speed doubles plus tail wind which increases it further

[mint raft]

it's like someone said before yk

a team without direction is no fun

[fiery elm]

look em up yourself then. if you're gonna base your decision making of a niche moveslot on usage rates i think you may need more help than me

[winter delta]

Alright, I'll try a encore set

[mint raft]

i don't even run dnite bro i'm trying to see how often YOU use the move not the general player base

what is so complicated about this query

[mint raft]

now you'll get to punish protect

greatest thing ever

[fiery elm]

are u asking the amount of times i clicked low kick? how is this a question to be taken seriously.

i have clicked low kick 0 times bruh. i am speculating on potential options the amount of times i clicked the potential options are all 0.

[mint raft]

so you've never played a match with this team

[fiery elm]

im 1498 elo with this team

like holy shit

[winter delta]

I hope to get Incineroar at some point to replace Arcanine as the intimidate user. Although I've had some really good luck hitting will-o-wisk

[mint raft]

so in all the showdown matches you've had to hit 1498

you've not once used the move

?

[fiery elm]

its literally

right there

"so you've never played a match with this team"

[mint raft]

how can you have played enough matches to get to 1498

and never used a move

[fiery elm]

DO YOU KNOW WORDS

[mint raft]

well do you think i know what you've had before

people speculate whether or not to keep moves all the time too

spent all that time drawing to miss the point

[fiery elm]

you spent more time typing than i spent time clicking the arrow tool in mspaint kiddo

[mint raft]

i've maybe spent an elapsed minute typing

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/8fc38c7620e4243e

how do I face trick room with this

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/61845f00f5590ee8 thoughts on this team?

[flint moat]

How to improve team if I want to keep gimmicky core with simple beam+setup
https://pokepast.es/617e8436331976b4

[elder island]

perhaps go taunt on maus

[desert kayak]

mental herb

[elder island]

true true

anyways a combo of meganium, maus, and rotom should be able to stall out tr pretty well

mimikyu is pretty good into it too

idk the tr matchup is usually just dancing around the attackers until tr is up

and getting as much damage in when you can

[fiery elm]

you kill the trick room mon

just brutally murder them

maus super fangs the TR setter and your other guy kills off the remaining half hp

matcha is the only ghost TR setter and it dies to zard

or run a support mimikyu set instead

[desert kayak]

yea I did that in one matchup and it makes sense

even if they have 2 tr setters out

[fiery elm]

you just gotta guess better

[desert kayak]

3 v 4 in trick room where I can swords dance mimikyu shadow sneak

[fiery elm]

if they have 2 TR mons out then you flip a coin and pray

oh yeah that too

sneak dont care about speed

so just swords dance in their face on their trick room turn

obviously spam protect as much as possible to stall trick room turns

fake out if u can

and if they fear a boosted shadow sneak, read the protect and SD again

just better gamer them

your last resort is to get a cheeky dire claw sleep proc

tbh having 2 TR setters out at the same time feels like a massive missplay

usually TR setters are running bulk to get the TR off reliably

so if they have 2 bulky mons out

i aint fearing the TR until a turn later when they will need to swap to their abuser

giving you a turn of advantage

now unfortunately you don't do extremely well into the combo of incin's fake out + farig TR into icin parting shot

the best idea i got for u in that situation is to lead mimik and swords dance 2 turns in a row

and have maushold on follow me spam duty

now keep in mind that i do not play vgc so i am just saying shit out my ass but your current alternative option is to listen to nobody

[desert kayak]

cuz coaches dont play

[lucid sun]

https://pokepast.es/2afd08690e5d5e61

yall got any advice on this team? im new at building team, i feel like some pokemon do not synergize really well, especially gengar, but i also dont know what pokemon should i replace it with

[agile sleet]

https://pokepast.es/a83a9c238806e94f

I need some advice on the EV spreads on this team, since I have no idea if it's good. I'm okay with running bulk on garchomp instead of speed, might even be better actually.

[agile sleet]

I'm not amazing at building teams either but you're using 2 fast megas in a trick room team. maybe switch one of them for a slow mega so they can use the trick room to their advantage

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/9f5b922d2f1f2ac0 w perish trap team?

[lucid sun]

yeah you're right

[bronze ether]

scarf chomp is pretty nice

if u wanna run that

[lucid sun]

ill try camerupt

maybe

[bronze ether]

psychic on floette is interesting

ngl

with 32+ floette

it might work

[agile sleet]

it's to counter poison types which may threaten floette

[agile sleet]

I kinda need chomp to work in both trick room and tailwind

[elder island]

farig + fake out kinda goobs that tho thats the problem

[bronze ether]

realistically thats only gengar rn

and sneasler

[agile sleet]

what abt basculegion

physical ghost last respects

[bronze ether]

basculegion isnt a poison type

[agile sleet]

oh

mb

I'm dumb

was stuck on ghost

[agile sleet]

I basically run psychic for sneasler specifically

since it's 4x weak

[bronze ether]

sash sneasler is not too common

but still exists

unless u double up then its still pretty scary for floette

snealser ohkos

[agile sleet]

basically why I run psychic on floette xD

even with sash, it's usually pretty rare since most sneaslers run herb

[bronze ether]

sneasler outspeeds floette

[agile sleet]

in tailwind?

[plain kestrel]

In general

[bronze ether]

in general

ofc not in tw

[agile sleet]

I mean how else should I counter sneasler

[plain kestrel]

Few good Pokemon do it

Aegislash can

[agile sleet]

I feel like I'd HAVE to ohko or double team it in tailwind

[plain kestrel]

Aero is faster and ohkos every variant with dual wingbeat

[bronze ether]

aegi/corv

pelipper in some extent

talonflame

[plain kestrel]

Has unnerve so no one eats berries

And sets tailwind

Talon is good too yea

[bronze ether]

aero pretty good rn

gale wings

[agile sleet]

perfect

[bronze ether]

not gonna sugar coat it

[agile sleet]

I have aero unnerve sash

[plain kestrel]

Talon lowkey beats the aero tho

Yea run dat

[bronze ether]

im running like this rn

[bronze ether]

no

[agile sleet]

it's already in the team as my tailwind setter tbf

[bronze ether]

it doesnt

aero beats talon

[plain kestrel]

It never ends well for the aero

If talon tw and they kill u you have control

[bronze ether]

true

[plain kestrel]

If you mirror tailwind you burn shit

You still have control

Talon wins

[agile sleet]

js run sash on aero then right?

[plain kestrel]

Yee

[agile sleet]

that works ig

[plain kestrel]

Sash unnerve jolly tailwind protect rock slide dual

Wingbeat

If you want wide guard figure it out

[agile sleet]

that's my aero rn

[plain kestrel]

Kk

[bronze ether]

252 Atk Gale Wings Talonflame Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 156-184 (100 - 117.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

thats perfect

🥹

exactly 100 low roll

[agile sleet]

WWWWW

[plain kestrel]

Love talon

[agile sleet]

so in that case I don't rly need psychic on floette right?

[bronze ether]

this look aight or nah

[agile sleet]

what can I replace it with?

[bronze ether]

unless u dont like facing gengars

u can swap it out for like

draining kis

or moon blast

[agile sleet]

most gengars I face run perish song shadow tag

[bronze ether]

sets like this are really fun to use

[plain kestrel]

I’ve seen psychic once and was like wtf

[bronze ether]

get one calm mind up

floette is basically immortal after that

[plain kestrel]

Top left

180 bold is enough

If you want some speed

[agile sleet]

why no dazz btw?

it's spread

[plain kestrel]

You can

[bronze ether]

i liked draining better

the healing is so good

esp with fairy aura

[plain kestrel]

Over the moon blast

[bronze ether]

dazzling is what most floettes run

[plain kestrel]

That’s what I do

[agile sleet]

I'll put dazz over moon

[bronze ether]

maybeeeeeee

[plain kestrel]

That’s fine

[bronze ether]

so far

i havent seen any cases

[plain kestrel]

Just get a calm mind or two

[bronze ether]

where i needed dazzling

or moonblast ngl 😭 i js spam draining

[plain kestrel]

Gleam is like 4 bp weaker than pixilated hyper voice

[bronze ether]

gleam is really nice tho

[plain kestrel]

252 252 bold is a roll to die to gunk shot sneasler

[bronze ether]

but alot of wide guard users rn

[plain kestrel]

Which I stg

I’ve seen

And know man’s who run it

[agile sleet]

alright that should work, what abt garchomp? I wanted to run him in both tailwind and trick room, I don't rly need him to outspeed anything I kinda want him to survive a hit or two, how should I spread my EVs?

[plain kestrel]

180 is probably fine

[bronze ether]

it caught me off gaurd once

😭

[plain kestrel]

If you have a maus

[radiant gorge]

is this dragonite set good?

[plain kestrel]

What reg is this

[radiant gorge]

ou

[bronze ether]

um

not really imo

[plain kestrel]

Do Tera fairy Tera blast

[radiant gorge]

ok lol, back to the drawing board

[plain kestrel]

And roost

[agile sleet]

or is there another hard hitting pokemon to replace him with maybe?

[plain kestrel]

Shits prolly good idk I don’t play ou

[bronze ether]

yea garchomp doesnt really work in tr

he can bulk if u want

i think min speed garchomp will work fine

[radiant gorge]

updated it

[plain kestrel]

If it’s not scarf you can run jolly 252 252 it’s good enough

Chomp is just consistent

[bronze ether]

garchomp is like top 3 pokemon rn 😭

[agile sleet]

do I js put ev in hp?

[agile sleet]

lol fair

[bronze ether]

im running a scarf chomp

[plain kestrel]

Look up jamie boyt garchomp

[bronze ether]

like this

[plain kestrel]

On YouTube

He’s got the bulky spread you want

[agile sleet]

kk 1 sec

[plain kestrel]

If you want that

[bronze ether]

u could ditch some offense if u want more bulk on garchomp

[plain kestrel]

252252 is just fine tho

[bronze ether]

u dont need 32+

if u want a slow chomp

yache berry

works pretty well

[plain kestrel]

Yache berry??

For froslass only?

I disagree

Cuz why are we bringing chomp there

Run roseli or dragon resist berry or sitrus berry

Imo

[bronze ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

true that

u do prove a good point

😂

[plain kestrel]

Yache is like cool on paper

Scarf outspeeds froslass and hits its allies

[agile sleet]

tbf I like herb for anti intimidate

[plain kestrel]

Talon gives you control to do that too

[bronze ether]

anyone got a good mega crab team

im struggling to make him work

is slowking throwing here

or is sneasler not the play

[plain kestrel]

Yea

I did sneasler farif crab

Then a bunch of rain shit

[bronze ether]

hmmm

[plain kestrel]

Rain room

I had wide guard double stab protect

[bronze ether]

chilly reception is pretty nice tho

[plain kestrel]

It was like alright

[bronze ether]

oooo

[radiant gorge]

idk if bulk up or swords dance is better

[bronze ether]

cinderace is probably not seeing a turn 2 ever

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/6d1821c620ee7423
camerupt against the chomp infested meta

[ripe turret]

tera blast in champs 🥀

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/51d2e503d9d3e14d
I've been struggling with Basculegion endgames because it outspeeds and ohkos my Frosslass. I'm not sure what item is best for my Sinistcha because it's never hit by the type of the berry I have on it. Garchomp has mostly been a benchwarmer, and is a glorified 2nd Incineroar when I do use it. Any thoughts?

[humble wasp]

Hello my name is OwenDaPotato team

[cerulean sky]

It's getting to the point I might just want Bright Powder on Sinistcha instead 💀

[fiery elm]

Read bruh

I literally addressed that shit

[visual ember]

https://pokepast.es/c1c522f7ea5efb37 can i please get some help. i love the core of gengar, whimsi, incin and corv. looking for 2 to work with them. I put alolan ninetales and milo, but I could also do sinistcha, ttar, politoed, archaludon, mega glimmora, etc.

[acoustic slate]

https://pokepast.es/80eb80bdb4b6be4f I’m hardstuck ultra ball 4/3 and I genuinely feel like I’m not improving as a player, is it my team or do I just suck, and how do I not suck. Kingambit, sneasler, sun teams and trick room teams are mainly what I’m struggling against. I feel like I would also struggle into floette but I haven’t encountered a single one

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[daring fable]

I havee no idea if it would work but I have like a crackpot team theory I wanna try and use

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/78b41fa01c2ef77b

[distant trellis]

This team is a lil awkward cause you have trick room but none of your pokemon are super slow but on the other hand you don't have tailwind on the pelipper to press a speed advantage

So all your pokemon are left in a really awkward middling speed tier except basculegion with no great way to get out of it

I can also definitely see why sun would be an issue

[acoustic slate]

Yeah trick room is honestly just there to reverse the opponent’s tailwind

Don’t really see myself using it outside of that

I’m not too sure how to fix it

Someone else in the vgc discord suggested dropping incin for sneasler and another person suggested making meganium more specially bulky

[acoustic slate]

Not having access to av in a meta with tons of special attackers feels like hell

[distant trellis]

The amount of teams I've had that would've been solved by av Kingambit is comical

[acoustic slate]

Kingambit is just that guy

[distant trellis]

Regardless I think you wanna consider dropping sinistcha icl

It doesn't fit the pace of this team all that well

[acoustic slate]

Yeah that makes sense, doubling up on fire weaknesses even with rain is a bit silly in hindsight

[distant trellis]

And go tailwind on the pelipper imo

[acoustic slate]

Doesn’t the pelliper already have tailwind

[distant trellis]

I think it's wide guard

Lemme check again

Oh wait no tect?

Oh nonono absolutely not

No protect on your sash mon is criminal

[acoustic slate]

I switched out protect for wide guard a few hours ago because rock slide was pissing me off

[distant trellis]

Hmmmm

Imo go uhhh

Big chomp lowkey

[acoustic slate]

Yeah that’s what I was thinking as well

[distant trellis]

You could go white herb or second mega

Or even the fairy resist berry

Roseli I think

Since floette can become an issue

[acoustic slate]

I have yet to encounter a single floette after a few hours of playing

I know it’s crazy busted though

[distant trellis]

Sometimes ladder will be like that

But yeah floette is probably the scariest mon in the tier

https://giphy.com/gifs/energyae-chxrryxpp-energyins-svzrG7pvpmay3QdozZ

I do agree meganium should be more specially bulky

You could also make it a tad faster to properly exploit tw

[acoustic slate]

I was told 32 hp, 21 spdef, 2 speed and the rest in spattack

[distant trellis]

Thats fine yeah

Garchomp adds some much needed speed to this team and also has a nice matchup into charizard so

I like it here

Just be careful when dealing with floette

Ideally you can threaten it with immediate offence

With basculegion and whatnot

Sinistcha is a common partner for that guy tho

You could go modest pelipper to pick up more sinistchas btw

Peli being max speed isn't as important as other tw setters since you're quite slow anyway

[acoustic slate]

Does modest ohko the usual sini spread?

[distant trellis]

It ohkos all except for pretty heavily specially defensive sinistcha

Like

[acoustic slate]

I gotta get on that then, that’s crazy

[distant trellis]

I think 32/21+

Can live with a sliver

And then get picked off by basc anyway

You wanna deny floette space to setup basically

[acoustic slate]

Yeah I heard calm mind is very, VERY scary

[distant trellis]

So that it doesn't start rolling over the team

Dude bulky floette with a calm mind boost or 2 are 4hko'd by archa flash cannon

[acoustic slate]

Oh my god

[distant trellis]

Tickle monster

If it starts setting up calm minds try to force it to protect or regain speed control with basculegion tw or garchomp

Cause then you can stack electro shot boosts

Hit it's weaker physical side enough and it should eventually buckle under the pressure

(I say this as a floette main)

[acoustic slate]

Doesn’t mega floette and chomp speed tie with them both having 102 speed

[distant trellis]

Yes but floette rarely runs max speed

If it does it becomes very frail

And so your counterplay of mr basculegion kill this thing becomes far better

[acoustic slate]

Oh ok sweet

Am I able to send the updated team when I finish with the edits?

[distant trellis]

If you find any new issues sure

Experiment with the garchomp item based on whatever feels worst btw

[acoustic slate]

Alright, I’ll test out the team on ladder and see how it goes first then

Thank you!

[distant trellis]

Anytime

[daring fable]

Hey Nocturne could I ask something?

[fringe hare]

Rate my champions team please

I already know I need more protects

[steep mesa]

frosslass: drop ice beam for blizzard
prim: drop pump for prot
sneasler: drop uturn for fake out and throat chop for coaching or prot
gambit: change ability to defiant
arcanine: change ability to intim, give scarf; rock slide, flare blitz, wild charge, and maybe wisp just for fast burn
sylveon: drop wish for calm mind or quick attack

[fringe hare]

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/78b41fa01c2ef77b Could someone rate this team I made

[plain kestrel]

who in here is playing mega gengar

dm me if you are

[fiery elm]

Aint nobody dming you bruh

[hoary swift]

https://pokepast.es/c1c522f7ea5efb37 can i please get some help. i love the core of gengar, whimsi, incin and corv. looking for 2 to work with them. I put alolan ninetales and milo, but I could also do sinistcha, ttar, politoed, archaludon, mega glimmora, etc.

[visual ember]

pls anyone lol

[winter delta]

Ttar does pair well with Corviknight since they aren't effected by weather. If you do use Ttar, another mon with sand rush would pair well to make use of the sand storm.

[opaque crag]

https://pokepast.es/e37dcc7650e44666 any advice i wanna run zard x

[winter delta]

Game freak gave Zard X the ability Tough claws while also giving it the stat spread of a mix attacker

[ripe turret]

truly one of the great tragedies of our time

[austere swift]

I suddenly want to look into a Tailwind-boosted mixed attacker wallbreaker.

actually, tough claws alone would let it mixed attack if you don't mind sacrificing a defensive stat.

starts contemplating a new team

[winter delta]

That's true, you can put more investment into special attack intead since Tough claws already boost physical contact moves

Although I don't know if the damage outpit would be enough. Maybe a helping hand pokemon can help

[austere swift]

tailwind + helping hand... pelliper? whimsicott, altaria, and a few others

Heat Wave + Rock Slide for spread moves... Earthquake if using Altaria (and don't use Pelliper because of Drizzle LOL)

[winter delta]

Try it out to see how it performs

[austere swift]

And Breaking Swipe to lower enemy attack. Catch is, you'd be screwed by Wide Guard.

[fiery elm]

Doesnt need to be breaking swipe

U can just use wisp

It hits gambit

If u wanna risk a miss

[austere swift]

Looking at Heat Wave + Dragon Claw + Hurricane + Protect

[fiery elm]

But yeah gamefreak loves giving the megas mixed attacking stats

[austere swift]

to be fair, Lucario already had mixed attacking stats.

[fiery elm]

You know mega zard y gets like +20 attack or something

Cuz gamefreak knows

They had the vision

Its so we can focus punch t tar on the switch

They saw what them adv players where doing

0 Atk Charizard-Mega-Y Focus Punch vs. 92 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar-Mega: 316-372 (86.8 - 102.1%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Holy goob bro

Then the rock type weather ball picks up the ko

Ignore the fact that focus miss still does more

Unless its spdef ttar

If its spdef tar then focus punch is the way

[austere swift]

huh, guess I'll go weather ball over hurricane

and give hurricane to someone else

to punish rain

[fiery elm]

Why do u need to punish rain tho on zard x

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/76ad36a915684eec js a quick question, this is my team. ive tried a ton of items on chomp, theyve all felt good but i cant pin point one.

i like white herb and scarf but i cant really decide which one feels better. if anyone has their opinion lmk

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[austere swift]

I seek to punish all weather.

It was my bane in gen9 ru

(I know Scarf Gardevoir exists)

[fiery elm]

If u wanna punish weather then run snowscape on a random mon

Put on sunny day randomly

True rain counter right there

[ebon fern]

Hi, hello

Im new and this is the first time ever I do create a team

Any suggests on species or in general for this reg M-A are welcomed

The only thing I want to have is a Rottom appliance

[plain kestrel]

Hey I responded to your dm

What pressures your 6

You help me I help you

[plain kestrel]

🤣🤣ok

[austere swift]

not great results

though I probably played very poorly around Protect users

[fiery elm]

But everybody is a protect user

[austere swift]

fair

[plain kestrel]

I personally believe corv is a great ally for it

You’re essentially able to wall garchomp and recieve coaching boosts if you want that

You have the right idea tho

But I wouldn’t run incin with zard x

[zinc imp]

why is the sneasler serious nature

[plain kestrel]

Yea the spreads are kinda weird

[fiery elm]

Kinda weird is putting it lightly

The spreads are seriously awful

Every single one is some combo of confused and horrendous

[desert kayak]

based king zard x user?

ill send my team

https://pokepast.es/8fc38c7620e4243e

zard x

[fiery elm]

Hes not investing in attack on his strongest guys so his damage is weak and hes not investing in hp on his defensive guys so hes kneecapping his ability to tank hits as well and his fast mons arent investing fully in speed so he isnt moving first

[opaque crag]

True I have been walled by it myself with my chomp 🤣 but you right about that coaching

[opaque crag]

I’ve been seeing a lot of double mega the team looks fun I might have to try it I got all the mons in champions

[fiery elm]

I fought somebody with zard x, coaching sneas, alola tails, and coil hypno miltoic

It was quite an annoying squad

[desert kayak]

coaching sneasler feels kinda buns

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/46dbe1d8844367bf

team feels really good but I feel like it might be missing something or is weak to incin?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ebon fern]

I modified the spreads untill I thoungt thoes numbers looked legit, but it doesn't have any serious thought process behind it

[ebon fern]

Couse I don't understand EVs all that well

[proper arrow]

Uhm I want to swap the sword for something to help me with TW or TR any tips?

Also rotom-H last move is t bolt

[normal willow]

How's this for a trick room team

[plain kestrel]

Sinsitcha is good on this

[proper arrow]

Okay thank you

[distant trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/kingambit-pokemon-good-morning-pokeball-cherrim-gif-1786587184282624092

Very weak to this fella unfortunately

[plain kestrel]

Not in tr

Just put ur own over belibolt

:p

[distant trellis]

It just clicks sucker

[plain kestrel]

Oh no farig too

Is kinda crazy

[distant trellis]

Farig over hatterene

Imo

[plain kestrel]

Hundo

Or belibolt

What is a belibolt

[sleek laurel]

Farig and ur own gambit > belli and hatt imo

Hatt is kinda mid without Psyterrain

[lethal ravine]

https://pokepast.es/313a31ba90070c84
gimmicky ahh drought team
champions vgc

[sleek laurel]

But amog

Lemme see this one

[plain kestrel]

Dude drop the orthworm wth

Put heliolisk there

[sleek laurel]

Feels a bit too goofy

Helio isn't viable either

Orthworm is viable but not for these comps

[plain kestrel]

Ofc he is

[sleek laurel]

You lack many secondary Sun attackers

[plain kestrel]

Heliolisk does that

Scarf helio

[sleek laurel]

And scarf hamu isn't too good

[plain kestrel]

Gets shed tail

Gets stab hyper voice

[sleek laurel]

Helio isn't a good mon in general tho

And shed tail isnt all that in this meta

Just use venusaur

It's an infinitely better secondary Sun attacker

[plain kestrel]

Hyper voice + heat wave picks up garchomp

You want shed tail you do that

[sleek laurel]

So does Solar Beam + Heat Wave

[lethal ravine]

fair enough

[plain kestrel]

Eweb means you don’t have to be fast

You just tank a rock slide from garchomp and then ko it

[sleek laurel]

Whimsicott is a fine mon but you want Sunny Day on it most of the time

[plain kestrel]

Don’t listen to these guys both me and my boy 1400 and 1500 with helio

[sleek laurel]

Tailwind, Moonblast, Sunny Day, Encore is standard

[lethal ravine]

drought

drought charizard

[sleek laurel]

Yeah but for opposing weather

I'm aware

[lethal ravine]

fair enough

[sleek laurel]

But sunny day whimsi allows you to win wars against peli and ttar

And there arent any other viable manual weather setters

[lethal ravine]

fair enough

[sleek laurel]

Cool and I'm 2100 on cart ladder and a verified discord team rater

Please don't use elo as a flex means to justify the suggestion of extreme niche/unviable mons to newer players

You succeeded with it because you're good, sure

The mon isn't

[plain kestrel]

Don’t neglect something because you don’t think it’s good

He wants shed tail

[lethal ravine]

my guy, idgaf about yall and your elo
i just wanna make nice teams and have fun instead of getting destroyed by floette 1 and floette 2

[plain kestrel]

I’m giving him the way

[lethal ravine]

oh nah, im fine with removing shed tail

[plain kestrel]

Then play standard

[lethal ravine]

hurricane is WAY better than earthquake

[sleek laurel]

Yeah that's like

Zard floette is the best way to have a matchup into floette

[burnt surge]

Venusaur also is good into Floette

[lethal ravine]

i am not running floette, i have a separate team for it which ive sealed in an altar below the ground for its overpowered nature

[sleek laurel]

I see where this comes from, but like, fitting both is extremely forcy

[sleek laurel]

No yea that's what I meant

"Have a matchup into Floette"

Means "doing well against it"

[sleek laurel]

I do agree though it could have been the best way if you 100% need to use both but just don't lol

[lethal ravine]

hmm

i replaced orthy with venosaur

[sleek laurel]

(Sorry abt that btw, it just happens so much w us)

I think

[sleek laurel]

After the core of venu zard and whimsi is done

Leave sets for later

[lethal ravine]

oh i have that core ready

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

[lethal ravine]

the cofragrigus is the meme set

[sleek laurel]

Harc could be an incin here

[lethal ravine]

and anger point taurus is scope lens counter

[lethal ravine]

incinerator

[sleek laurel]

But harc is fine too just use rock slide > rock tomb if you do that

I do prefer Incin to help you reposition Zard

[burnt surge]

...Scope Lens counter?

[lethal ravine]

guess im replacing taurus

[lethal ravine]

crit counter basically

anger point with enough speed ivs can shred through teams

[sleek laurel]

Tauros is meh, you already have Intimidate, I would just use Sneasler

It's faster and stronger

Relying on getting crit is extremely inconsistent even if I see where you're coming from

And the mon is still slow

[lethal ravine]

anything else other than sneasler?

[plain kestrel]

You def want garchomp

[sleek laurel]

Garchomp yea

[plain kestrel]

You can do aegislash

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna say that too

And yeah

Aegis or gambit

[lethal ravine]

ig im running aegislash

[sleek laurel]

I thought of gambit first but aegi is good too

[normal willow]

I'll try it

[plain kestrel]

I think gambit is slightly worse