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[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/f45e090897fb40e5
I can say that this team dies to eruption and rain teams

[uncut harness]

this is what i got so far for champions

idk if there is a specific channel for this

https://pokepast.es/000606e77fda7352

[drifting onyx]

Hey @uncut harness, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[uncut harness]

idk what format to put it in so i put this

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/4903ef97e6fd5f0b

How is this

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

@uncut harness @cinder glacier

[uncut harness]

apologies

[sleek laurel]

Don't fret it, common mistake lol

[lavish nexus]

one chien pao and it's jover

why stack so many grass types, there's no point

[zinc imp]

Hm yeah

[zinc imp]

#1059655497587888158

buh

[stark cove]

Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/a1a55f759c675242

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[stark cove]

Ditch all the non grass types and get ludicolo raindance and hsui electrode

[jovial creek]

This looks like a bad version of normal hard trick room

Hard tr is a rough archtype to get right, I'd recommend just taking an established version

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/071217f51107ff83

double screen espeed dragonite with coaching annihilape and rotom support

thoughts? how can I improve

[desert kayak]

would this work? or with a diff anni build

[desert kayak]

or maybe with sneasler

[desert kayak]

updated version has sneasler instead of annihilape

[quartz fjord]

https://pokepast.es/407f4d905b0f1010 hear me out T_T

The idea is to build a 4 member team, cause I have a tournament and I wanna get 2 NFE mons out there that are... not great. Role compresion made me think of trick room to counter enemy trick room and rain dance swift swim to get a budget tailwind for basc.

The previous version had Torn and adaptability on Basc.

[desert kayak]

or I might run this grimm insted of the other one

[plain kestrel]

yall, hows this team looking? https://pokepast.es/73c42b3ca566b609

[stark cove]

What is that

[stark cove]

okay

[stark cove]

You

[tawdry nymph]

hi I'm new to completive pokemon and i wanted to learn a trick room. was given this paste but it doesnt have iv's or ev's on it so i wanted to ask does anyone know the common stats that should go on these mons or just max them? https://pokepast.es/9d67458111b14f76

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[ripe turret]

I'm ngl reg f is ending very very soon, so you'll probably be better off making a team for reg i instead - that's the format that allows two restricted legendaries

[tawdry nymph]

do you know the format champs is gonna be played on or a similar one because this was mainly to practice for that

[ripe turret]

champions is gonna be in a completely different format with megas/different legal mons

[tawdry nymph]

ah gotcha

[stark cove]

NOOOOOOOOOO first they take reg h then reg f what will I do with myself

[lavish nexus]

play reg i and have every game be a speed tie

[bronze ether]

#bringbackregf

[stark cove]

No

You have to be lying

I simply don't want that to be real

[stark cove]

Agreed

[drifting onyx]

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[desert kayak]

the day I finally polished up my team they removed it 😭

[sleek laurel]

It isn't real

But the meta is extremely volatile

[desert kayak]

anyone know why 132 and 116 is the popular speed EV for sneasler

I run 108 to outspeed proto flutter manes after both speedboosts

[desert kayak]

Reg I (pokepaste isnt working for me rn idk why)

Should I run toxic spikes or acid spray to lower sp def on sneasler? but idk if theres a situation id use it rather than dire claw

or grim moveset

[desert kayak]

i noticed i have two assault vests

which one do I drop

[sleek laurel]

This feels like a 4/6 standard CSR Pagos

But with Grimm and Sneasler last

If you wanna keep Sneasler you should 100% run Dire Claw, but I would still opt for a Redirection user over Grimmsnarl because Calm Mind Pagos really appreciates redirection

Maybe Ogerpon-C to have "Double Focus Sash" and Amoonguss is kind of weird alongside Sneasler

If you don't make a matter of keeping Sneasler, I'd just go Amoong + Rapid Ursh but at this point you're running a fully standard CSR Pagos

Which is perfectly fine too (and more competitively optimal), just not sure if it's what you want

[split reef]

@sleek laurel

My goattt

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/b806b85a56ada6ad does calyrex look out of place here?

[drifting onyx]

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[bronze ether]

or does lunala look better here

for more protection against things like calyrex ice rider and other shadow riders + itwalls miraidon

[desert kayak]

i think amoogus could work alongside sneasler since sneasler is really frail

(inceniroar has rocky helmet)

[sleek laurel]

Hi

[sleek laurel]

It could, but it loses value compared to Ogerpon

You can try both ways tho and see what fits you best

[desert kayak]

ogrepon instead of amoonguss?

what role would ogerpon serve

im not rly familiar with it

im trying the amoog rn

[zinc imp]

More offensive amoonguss basically
Follow me which isnt blocked by goggles
Ivy cudgel deals consistent damage
And stuff

[sleek laurel]

What Synthesi said

Plus, particularly Cornerstone Ogerpon is great for this because it has Sturdy

Which offers incredibly consistent redirection

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/14781330a7161b8f
It worked for a bit, but eh.

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[zinc imp]

Also the sheer unviability of this is insane

[split reef]

https://pokepast.es/bc3e092127642f1c

Im tryna figure out evs

Ik @modest dune wouldbe proud

[untold aspen]

https://pokepast.es/

https://pokepast.es/5775ec1951604062

[flint moat]

https://pokepast.es/71dcada57b0cf2e8

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/5df13db6272e0101 im lowk loving this team but i fear zama might not be pulling its weight enough or its too weak to shit like flutter mane

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[bronze ether]

"my drill is the drill that shall pierce the heavens"

[ripe turret]

should’ve used mega excadrill smh

[copper citrus]

https://pokepast.es/168374913b9c7508
I want to know if I can make any tweaks to this team to improve it? I've been pretty successful with it.

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[shadow nest]

https://pokepast.es/4d7201ee93439d3a I'm making a team in preparation for champions, using the new megas. Can I get some advice if this is a good start, or if I should swap team members or EV spreads. I was debating using pelipper or something else.

[drifting onyx]

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[hollow parrot]

trying to finish a gen 9 regulation i team, need 1 more mon, plz help? https://pokepast.es/71e72ae5641d7dc6

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[distant trellis]

We don't rate unfinished teams btw

But also koraidon and terapagos don't have great synergy

Terapagos typically has the entire team revolve around facilitating it with a pokemon like csr to provide encore or pollen puff while being a damage threat in it's own right or miraidon as it blocks sleep

[vestal wharf]

https://pokepast.es/ed4f3685500d13eb

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[sleek laurel]

Worth noting they can work, we've seen it in NAIC Juniors, they act like semi-independent Restricteds

But there's really very little inventing it and CSR is usually just better as you said (also easier to use)

[sleek laurel]

Specs Miraidon + Rbolt are actually kind of unnecessary together

[distant trellis]

Korai pagos exists it's just pagos is already a hard res to pilot

[sleek laurel]

^ yea lol

[sleek laurel]

Also, is this intentionally tailored for Reg G or did you forget a second restricted?

I think Mirai Rvbolt stuff is way better in Double Restricted (they're still unnecessary, but you can use non-Specs Miraidon if so)

But I need to know what you need this team for lol

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/e164d329696bbde5 anyone got a suggestion for a last mon? and some ev spreads for my rillaboom 😭 ?

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[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/e18ee117c1cf183f
Offensive prankster tornadus team somehow

[bronze ether]

nasty plot tornadus

ts beautiful

[umbral roost]

Lowkey only offensive move it needs is bleakwind

why is whims tr tw

[zinc imp]

tr teams exist

and that is to reset the opponent's tr

[bronze ether]

bro u can use taunt 😭

[radiant isle]

https://pokepast.es/b9f166f4b90f8492 Im really new to this and really have no clue what im doing any help is appreciated i forgot to change solar beam ninetales. It was terra grass

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[spiral cosmos]

Im gonna be honest dude like half this team is unusable

That bloodmoon set is horrible, why are you eq?

[drifting onyx]

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon (Gen 9)

Typing

Ground / Normal

Abilities

0: Mind's Eye

Base Stats (BST: 555)

113 / 70 / 120 / 135 / 65 / 52

Weight

333 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Male Only

[spiral cosmos]

Jumpluff actually has seen some usage on sun teams with groudon or kyogre, but ninetales is like

Really bad

I also wouldnt reccomend that set either, with u-turn and lunge

Both are useless moves

Life orb is also straight up a debuff for your own lunala

You lose shadow shield the moment you attack

And why r u phantom force

And why does indeedee have no attacking moves

Urshifu is also just

Bad here

WHAT FORMAT IS THIS EVEN FOR

THIS ISNT A REG I TEAM

[zinc imp]

farig exists to block my prankster taunt

[bronze ether]

true lmao

[wind wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/50de2f40bd225c2c been trying mega golurk in a Trick Room set up

• Milotic here is just kind of a intimidate/inci bully
• Using Torkoal to slow down Rain Teams and my second damage dealer for Trick Room
• Mimikyu get a fast Trick Room in and Sinistcha just a healer and backup Trick Room Setter

[drifting onyx]

Hey @wind wyvern, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9prechampionsvgc. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[wind wyvern]

oh nvm

[random wagon]

yeah sorry we aren't rating champions teams rn since we don't really know what the format is going to look like

[wind wyvern]

understandable

[silk lodge]

weezing team in reg I
https://pokepast.es/5ce479f6bdcbeb66

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[silk lodge]

i think the biggest issue is that rayquaza REALLY needs tera to function

but otherwise it doesn't look too bad, maybe

I use weezing to spread poison and stop abilities
calyrex as attacker who doubles as taunter
roaring moon for tailwind but im considering switching it out for something else since the team can deny prankster tailwind

[sleek laurel]

I think you want Amoonguss over Hands here

[silk lodge]

amoongus?

[sleek laurel]

Or some other sort of TR answer

[silk lodge]

oooh yeah

true

[sleek laurel]

Hands doesn't really serve as a TR answer and this team is like

Omega CIR weak

CIR with Tera under TR 6-0s

I think the first three are fine

[silk lodge]

my only tr answer is really just weezing
but it only worked in reg F because reg F tr setters were omega weak go neutralizing gas

yeah i need amoongus

[sleek laurel]

Except some EV spreads and moves

I think Amoong and Incin are good here

[silk lodge]

true

[sleek laurel]

I'ma talk set changes later tho

[silk lodge]

i could replace roaring moon and hands

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Landorus' case is

It's probably fine but Scarf Urshifu is js better

[silk lodge]

personally i dont like urshifu in this team since weezing gets in its way

[sleek laurel]

Although yea

Double Intimidate is also p nice

You don't need Tailwind at all here

[silk lodge]

yeah im gonna switch it out

[sleek laurel]

Lemme fix some moves and evs for you

Also

For most of the CIR matchups

You don't bring Rayquaza

[silk lodge]

yeah i dont bring ray for cir

[sleek laurel]

You can't ever hope to set w it and you don't kill either CIR nor Mirai nor Lunala as such

Yea

For other mus tho

[silk lodge]

i just used a bulky ev spread for swords dance set up

[sleek laurel]

You need a BIT of Speed but yea

Also

Clam > Lorb here any day

Especially w Bulk

Lemme fix the spreads/sets for you really

[silk lodge]

ohhh clam

yeah i only used lorb since weezing shuts off intimidate anyways but yeah
gets in the way of bulk

im kinda considering switching sdance out for ddance

since weezing shuts off speed flutter and clam shuts off icy wind

[sleek laurel]

You can try it but it's really not worth it

You lose to Flutter with Sash anyway

And without sash you just Tera Dascent it

[silk lodge]

oh yeah

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/996a6231de4af74c

I would personally try this

[silk lodge]

hmm

[sleek laurel]

Clamulet is still recommended cause Weezing often dies not too late in the game

But if it isn't serving you well, you can also try other lines

[silk lodge]

now i need a way to deal with whimsicotts before they set anything up

[sleek laurel]

One viable option is Life Orb CSR wish Nasty Plot and Tera Dark + Focus Sash Rayquaza

[sleek laurel]

What does Whimsicott threaten you with

[silk lodge]

tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Tailwind? Extreme Speed

And also Weezing CSR leads

[silk lodge]

ah

[sleek laurel]

Which the more I look at this, the more I like it

With Sash you just run 0 Bulk max max ray tho

[silk lodge]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

Speed is actually useful for purposes of clicking Dragon Ascent

Which is a nuke

[silk lodge]

true

[sleek laurel]

If you go for that, it's Nasty Plot > Encore and Tera Dark on CSR, then Sash Ray with max max Adamant

You can do both

[silk lodge]

yeahhh

I'll make a team for both of those fr

thanks for the paste ye

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/b5e6adebfc6c04f2 IVE BEEN HAVING SO MUCH FUN ON THIS TEAM

[umbral roost]

I mean

looks standard

[bronze ether]

i made it myself 🙁

[umbral roost]

then ur a good team builder

could make incin flare blitz sitrus tho

longevity and flare blitz is pretty monsterous

[bronze ether]

makes it struggle alot more against calyrex imo

[umbral roost]

Ice?

tera fire can fuck you up either way

but with big dog and incin and tera rilla think ur fine

[bronze ether]

also rocky helmet is juicy chip onto shit like koraidon and urshifu rapids

tera fire is a bit annoying but usally tera fires dont run clear amulet

and i can js intimidate ice riders to death

[umbral roost]

Fair enough

[bronze ether]

also 244hp 188+ def incin lives 252 jolly rapids

but

yk what

sitrus does seem pretty nice

[bronze ether]

Yk what volcarona is lowk annoying

against ts

[umbral roost]

Does Korai not like one shot

[bronze ether]

idts

also getting burned against it is probably not ideal

lmao

[umbral roost]

I dunno just tera fire flare blitz it

become the nuke Koraidon is

or flame charge

[bronze ether]

banzai

[distant trellis]

I'd be worried about korai mirror matches tbh

Like an opposing flutter mane seems pretty scary to deal with

Especially since your own is not shadow ball

[bronze ether]

yea that is a problem rn but rn from what ive seen

no one runs max speed koraidon

and trades it for some buljk

[distant trellis]

Max speed is definitely a thing

[bronze ether]

im still figuring out what to do against opposing max cspeed

koraidons

[distant trellis]

It's moreso idk if zama is the best partner

For that mu in particular

You have some stuff you can do like uhhh

You have urshifu for lunala and csr

Who are paired with korai

But it's still kinda dicey

[bronze ether]

hmmmm

i dont particularly like running koraidon csr

js cuz everyone has it out for csr

[distant trellis]

For example tera fairy lunala kinda mogs you

[bronze ether]

urshifu is a fuck u csr pokemon

[bronze ether]

heavy slam

😭

[distant trellis]

Uhm

[bronze ether]

yo

true dat doe

i mean i can always flareblitz it to death

tera fire flareblitz can kill lunala

in 2 turns

[distant trellis]

0 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 132 HP / 172 Def Shadow Shield Tera Fairy Lunala: 73-87 (31.8 - 37.9%) -- 91.2% chance to 3HKO

[bronze ether]

https://giphy.com/gifs/drake-soulja-boy-ionzzo-diDOx07FacXlQu6MkP

[distant trellis]

You do not threaten this guy

With 0 attack

[bronze ether]

what can i do then

[distant trellis]

Albeit this is shadow shield

Tbf

[bronze ether]

tbh i need something to resist fairy here

[distant trellis]

But there's no immediate threat basically

[bronze ether]

urshifu and koraidon

are so weak to fairy

[distant trellis]

Yeah

[bronze ether]

istg i saw a whimsicott ohko urshifu

😭

[distant trellis]

I think if you keep korai Zamazenta you wanna go uhhh

[bronze ether]

YOOOOOOOOO

[distant trellis]

Hm

[bronze ether]

DIALAGA ORIGIN

am i a genius

[distant trellis]

❌

[bronze ether]

🙁

[distant trellis]

That guy is kinda buns

Lmao

[bronze ether]

truth

what about zacian koraidon

[distant trellis]

Dialga please click tr and live the turn:

https://tenor.com/view/koraidon-asgore-terapagos-vgc-asgore-truck-gif-2337866326179031068

[bronze ether]

reists fairy as mentioned and threatens ko on opposing koraidon

[bronze ether]

this gif is hilarious lmao

[distant trellis]

Zac korai is interesting

Honestly I prefer that more

[bronze ether]

rip zamazenta. u were my goat.

[distant trellis]

Albeit I will say

You end up with two fast single target physical res mons

They do hit different things but keep that in mind

[bronze ether]

w mans.

no koraidon living this.

[distant trellis]

They don't give allat much defensive utility

[bronze ether]

koraidon is offensive as shit anyways

why not go all in

[distant trellis]

You can try it ig

Idk how I feel about it

Korai does beat incin

And zacian does beat cir

So you at least cover well

[bronze ether]

lowk volcarona is not too nice

imo

[distant trellis]

Imo you then just really need smth for opposing csr

[bronze ether]

idl it threatens burn

on koraidon

[distant trellis]

Like you gotta run shadow ball

[bronze ether]

urshifu is there

for the sole purpose of "fuck u csr"

it also outspeeds csr

with scarf

[distant trellis]

It works ig but you can never be too certain

Besides what is dgleam for

[bronze ether]

team has like 0 spread

[distant trellis]

Lowkey flutter zacian have some whack synergy but it's whatever

[bronze ether]

dgleam is like the only spread move

on the team

😭

and icy too

but its like 55bp

[distant trellis]

Tryna think how you'd rly build a core like that icl rn

The issue with reg I is the fact that you need op synergies to rly get anywhere

Korai loves the horse or the moon bat yk so deviating can lead to some unforseen stuff

Zacian is also just not seen a lot

It's only rly with kyo but there's some synergy with korai asw ig

I'll get back to you lowkey

[bronze ether]

u reckon i need more special attacks then?

fluttermane holds like half of the team together

[bronze ether]

thanks!

[bronze ether]

u reckon i could get away with raging bolt instead of rilla?

it 4x resist miraidons anyways

[dusky wasp]

https://pokepast.es/c9ee1f3cc8674edc I feel like it's missing something, any suggestions?

[bronze ether]

u got no restricteds

[dusky wasp]

Huh?

[distant trellis]

That's the big one yes

The current vgc format is regulation I

Which allows for two restricted pokemon

Stuff like miraidon koraidon the calyrex forms kyogre etc

Box art legends basically

[distant trellis]

I'll check for you the issue is zacian koraidon is so uncommon so I'm tryna find any blueprint to go off of 😭

[bronze ether]

lmao its alr

im looking myself too

so far ive only gotten speed tier down

[dusky wasp]

That's why everyone is able to use Miraidon

Makes sense now

[distant trellis]

Out of curiosity which res do you wanna use more

I assume it's korai right

[bronze ether]

koraidon

yea

zacian prob only for counters and shit maybe

koraidon probs coming to 90% of games

[distant trellis]

I can pass you some less conventional koraidon teams if you want

If you don't wanna use csr and whatnot

[bronze ether]

sure

im down with new things

doesnt have to be the exact same

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/35cd39d4b16325b0 this is smth diff

I'd have to recreate the evs based on educated guesses

I would assume the flutter mane is more bulky

[bronze ether]

o aight

im assuming theyre all bulky

right

[distant trellis]

you can take the smogon dex evs for these mons lowkey

I can try to guess the flutter spread based on relevant calcs tho

[bronze ether]

ill js use my own

[distant trellis]

if its not already on the smogon strategy dex

but yeah this team is p cool

[bronze ether]

ngl looks like timid 252 252?

or like

[distant trellis]

could be? thing is its not sash

[bronze ether]

more def

[bronze ether]

oh

[distant trellis]

its definitely booster speed

[bronze ether]

then probably hella phy bulk

and max speed?

ermmmmm

[distant trellis]

hm

you could go

116 HP/76 Def/116 SpA/4 SpD/196 Spe

modest

try max max tho

and then tweak accordingly if you find smth like uhhh

pao or ogerpon etc

[bronze ether]

does fluttermane even need the 116 modest

[distant trellis]

to be really annoying

[bronze ether]

doesnt it js ohkos everything

[distant trellis]

well no not rly since its no boosting item

[bronze ether]

whats the spreads for

anything specific?

[sleek laurel]

This is not Speed-boosting tho

But yea that is 100% bulkier Flutter if it's supportive without Sash

[distant trellis]

Oop wait yeah

Has to be timid

[opaque ocean]

https://pokepast.es/920832bdbb0d9954

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @distant trellis, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant trellis]

Is this for reg f?

[opaque ocean]

nono pre champs

[distant trellis]

I'm gonna assume yeah cuz like

Ah

!champions

[drifting onyx]

Pokemon Champions has...

1. Yet to have a defined metagame as to conclusively answer what is trending
2. Yet to have an exactly known pool of Pokemon / moves / items / abilities / mechanics

As such, competitive Champions support is limited to glorified theorymonning, thus breaking rule 3 of #1373406929317269624 message and not allowed.

Please wait as Pokemon Champions releases and high level play is refined until further notice.

[distant trellis]

We can't rly help you out in that

In uhhh

2 days tho

When we guarantee the full list

[opaque ocean]

yeah..

[distant trellis]

Of legal mons we can

Plus abilities of all megas

[opaque ocean]

i think that some megas have confirmed habilities or are just rumors

[distant trellis]

We know a few obviously all the confirmed ones in trailers such as the starters froslass and dnite, asw as starmie getting a huge power equivalent and exca and scovillain most likely having the new signature abilities piercing drill and spicy spray

But not knowing them all leaves us unable to actually develop the metagame

Plus no list of legal mons just yet

We only have a confirmed list

Could be more

[jovial dagger]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1637368 i like my ursaluna hat core as well as my dogi zapdos but im not sure what to have 5th and 6th

preciate it any help

[unborn pier]

is this channel also doing pre champions rates?

[ripe turret]

no

not right now at leadt

least*

[unborn pier]

ok ty!

[split reef]

No other restricted?!

[broken shuttle]

this team is honestly just six guys on a team together there's no real synergy or unifying concept

i'd suggest just using an established team until you get a better grasp of how to build the format, a few resources for that are linked here:
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-regulation-i-sample-teams.3766729/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=972834435#gid=972834435

[jovial dagger]

Preciate it i guess

[drifting onyx]

Hey @obsidian terrace, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[dusky wasp]

https://pokepast.es/0dadc28ccdfa9c9f Anything I should change, I don't feel that it needs anything but might as well ask

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @distant trellis, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[umbral roost]

Amoonguss looks omega hard for this team

Like

Sludge bomb Amoonguss

is walling you and doing immense damage

Think ice beam on Ogre helps with that

over Hydro

You don’t need 3 water moves just to blank to Woger anyways

Although you have checks to it

You’re max max on Scarfifu, I think you can drop aqua jet for ice spinner too

[dusky wasp]

I didn't know what to put on Kyogre which is why it has 3 water moves

[umbral roost]

It can run perfect coverage

bolt beam and water moves

[dusky wasp]

Okay

[umbral roost]

blanks into few things

Origin pulse thunder and ice beam with protect is the set I run

But you can keep water spout if ur confident you can click it all the time in tr

Why the fuck did I say hydro steam

[dusky wasp]

I'll try out origin pulse, thunder and ice beam

[umbral roost]

Alright

[dusky wasp]

Good idea

[umbral roost]

I also think if Calyrex Ice runs tera grass

it’s just

6’0ing ur team

You could try sludge bomb Amoonguss but pollen puff is fine I guess

Just helps a lot against other grasses

[dusky wasp]

Yeah

[umbral roost]

I’ll let someone more experienced give their thoughts too but as a relatively decent vgc player

Those r the things I noticed

[dusky wasp]

Thanks for the advice, anything helps

[umbral roost]

Yw

🙏🙏🙏

[bronze ether]

does it ever run tera grass

[umbral roost]

spore

its faster than amoonguss

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/51c3dfb7d585ec9c
welp

[ripe turret]

boomburst noivern (trust)

[tame scroll]

Should I replace gholdengo https://psim.us/t/1639666

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @distant trellis, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ripe turret]

yes, also replace primarina with hatterene

ndm is also just a terrible restricted

and you’re wasting a couple stat points on cir

also go band instead of sash on darkfu

[tame scroll]

alr

[distant trellis]

yeah ghold is kinda js

bad

so is ndm

[tame scroll]

What should I do instead of Ndm and ghold

[random wagon]

you could try lunala and torkoal

since this looks like a hard tr team

[random wagon]

hatterene isn't very good in regulation i

you'd get far more value from something like ursaluna or smeargle or even gallade tbh

[ripe turret]

yeah

ngl I was still on reg f brain when I said that

[proper arrow]

Can I get away with this? I want to weather but idk if i want to sand or rain, but I want to play annihialape/incinaroar

[umbral roost]

Rain is fine although you should be running p shot on Incin

[proud apex]

Could I post potential teams for champions here? I'm looking to get some insight cuz I've never even played a proper vgc battle

[umbral roost]

Not yet

!champions

[drifting onyx]

Pokemon Champions has...

1. Yet to have a defined metagame as to conclusively answer what is trending
2. Yet to have an exactly known pool of Pokemon / moves / items / abilities / mechanics

As such, competitive Champions support is limited to glorified theorymonning, thus breaking rule 3 of #1373406929317269624 message and not allowed.

Please wait as Pokemon Champions releases and high level play is refined until further notice.

[proud apex]

k thanks

[umbral roost]

np

[proper arrow]

Over U turn?

[umbral roost]

yeah

[proper arrow]

Okie, thank you

[wild cosmos]

With Pokemon Champions and a new VGC regulation releasing, this RMT will be locked for a while.

[crude otter]

re-opening this due to sufficient time passing, go wild everyone's

[hushed plover]

Gonna def be taking advantage of this, got into VGC a bit more lately cause of how accessible it became

https://pokepast.es/877130df2e3c4143

[drifting onyx]

Hey @hushed plover, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9championsvgc. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[hushed plover]

this was slapped together for a tourney where i didn't really know much about the meta to start, learned quickly that this is sneasler food

is there anything i can shift around to make it salvagable?

[broken shuttle]

i don't necessarily see the point of specifcally jolly incin & starmie in general on this

i also wouldn't recommend sassy sini here because it means you can't really take advantage of tailwind if needed

i think the first place to start is primarina>starmie, that gives you a really good fairy type spread attacker that can take advantage of tailwind and isnt hogging a mega. from there i'd make incin a different spread (i'll toss one in here) & the sinistcha calm

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 32 HP / 7 Def / 20 SpD / 7 Spe
Careful Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Darkest Lariat
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot

[hushed plover]

the original idea for the max speed was to outspeed opposing incin to guarantee winning the fake out ditto

[broken shuttle]

lets you live floette moonblast at +1

most incin don't really run that fast ever

so it's not really worthwhile

[hushed plover]

that was until i started seeing more sneaslers instead lol

[broken shuttle]

i think something else worth considering here is like

chople incin & then white herb on excadrill

bc sneasler looks super annoying for this if they can pin your sinistcha slot so being able to pivot around it a bit more w. incin seems worthwhile

[hushed plover]

yea i've been sneasler food for most of this

i haven't been able to pull the damn thing yet, so i can't use atm

and yea mie is bait

i tried using it a couple of times, but the moment a sucker punch mon (of which there are several) show up in preview, i realize

i literally cannot use this lmao

[wild cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/877130df2e3c4143

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild cosmos]

^just a test

[broken shuttle]

hello this is primal groudon

[hushed plover]

lmao

i DO have prim though, so that's a change to be made

protect, gleam

does it get muddy water?

[broken shuttle]

it gets liquid voice

[hushed plover]

oh

right

lmao

[broken shuttle]

ye

[hushed plover]

would i do moonblast for single target as a 4th, or is there coverage to think about?

[broken shuttle]

ye moonblast is good

[hushed plover]

then if i move the chople to incin, sitrus for prim?

[broken shuttle]

sitrus is reasonable

you could try kebia berry for sneasler also

[hushed plover]

thought about that ye

[torpid mason]

You selected the wrong format for singles. BSS rates go in https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060690402711183370

Fix the format on your shareable if you want Chatot to properly ping BSS raters in that channel

[uncut cove]

sry mb

[rose seal]

pokemon champion team what we think/changes

[torpid mason]

please use a sharable like the ps team upload or pokepaste

!shareteam

[drifting onyx]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[rose seal]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1679780-0ccvyjnba91r3ofqelk1

that work?

[robust wasp]

https://pokepast.es/059153f6e77ed596

would really like some advice abt what to do with this team. Floette, aerodactyl, Incineroar and garchomp feel like they work amazing in most matchups, but I feel like I'm never bringing sneasler or farigiraf to any matchups and idk which matchups I should bring sneasler to I js have it bc it's good in the meta. I'm struggling a lot against trick room teams especially Milotic she like walls my entire team and is so annoying to get rid of, and I try bringing farigiraf to counter tr teams but it doesn't feel like that works that well.

[random wagon]

as of right now your rain matchup looks pretty tough

id probably run sinistcha here over farigiraf to fulfill that fwg core

+help into rain

namely basc wave crash and archaludon

and is a reliable switch in to most of those attacks

choice scarf + protect is also really not great

you'd get far more value out of thunderbolt

you also dont need rock slide on chomp

you have mega ttar and slide drill anyways

so i'd drop slide for stantrum since you can only really press ground stab if ur next to rotom atp

im a bit skeptical about brave ttar but if it works it works

i'd recommend a dd set though

since you'll now have sinistcha support to really help it

+you already have the incineroar support

also a bit skeptical about the rotom evs though if it works it works again

im not too big of a stickler rn on evs so it should be fine

though im pretty sure most of these plan to outspeed scarf basc?

[random wagon]

you don

't really have play into corv tbh

sneasler also seems to be an issue for this team

idk how much helping hand incineroar is actually doing here tbh

i think you'd gain more value from just knock off or even taunt since you noted you struggle with tr teams

also highly recommend dual wingbeat over wide guard aero

if anything u drop tect for wide guard

but ur sneasler mu seems really tough rn and dual wingbeat will heavily help out with that

ur missing 2 sps (or 12 evs) on chomp btw

speaking of how these mons are trained

max/max probably isn't the way to go here

though its fine for now, if u want help with evs u can dm me

or ping me here

fs want adamant sneasler here too

and idt iron head is really doing much on chomp here tbh

you'd be better off with eq or even rock slide if u find sun to be an issue

farigiraf can probably go

rn you really struggle into corv and milo

you can try a secondary mega like delphox who blasts corv and (after nasty plot) does a lot to milo

you can also run smth like rotom-w?

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/dbb6f4478a559d87 This is my fourth try at making a team and I'm looking for feedback and adjustments I need to make on it

[random wagon]

gonna go ahead and assume here that you're going for rain with a trick room mode?

[daring fable]

I am

[random wagon]

i dont think armarouge really fits here then; sure it sets trick room, but has huge anti-synergy with rain and as a whole isn't great rn

i do think mimikyu is really interesting though, if it has been working that's great, if not i highly suggest one of sinistcha or farigiraf

anyways as a replacement to armarouge

i highly suggest a mega pokemon

[daring fable]

Well I haven't battled yet and just wanted some advice since I'm new to this thing

[random wagon]

i think you can try out maybe mega kang for now?

and see how that goes

if you find you are missing something lmk

and i can try and help out

also basc doesnt need lonely nature icy wind isn't doing any notable damage anyways

can just stick with jolly

otherwise everything else looks pretty solid

[daring fable]

So replace Arma and gain a mega is what you reccomend?

[random wagon]

im not a huge fan of max/max evs on everything but those are usually things you tweak after testing

[random wagon]

indeed

likely just like a mega kang for now

or even mega dragonite?

[daring fable]

I appreciate the help. I like playing like off meta teams and see how they work. Though now looking back on it it does make sense to drop armarouge I just had so much fun playing with him in S/V when I finally got it

[random wagon]

no problem! if you need more help feel free to reach out or just ping me here

[daring fable]

https://pokepast.es/b5dfcec0cc806bb5 How's this one then?

[random wagon]

looks solid

maybe try some speed on kang though

[daring fable]

How much?

[random wagon]

probably enough to outrun sneasler after icy wind

so hit 115

[daring fable]

I just realized I gave it a speed lowering nature is that ok?

Nvm I changed it so I can save EV's

[viscid knoll]

https://pokepast.es/bd2917eb196dddd3 for Champions, rn it feels like I'm especially struggling with other sneaslers and basculegion. I'm thinking that I should probably swap Raichu out for a different support mon but I'm not confident as to what it should be

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[viscid knoll]

maybe talonflame for prio tailwind and flying coverage vs sneasler?

[ripe turret]

few things I'm noticing here:

• what's tyranitar doing here, exactly? you don't have any sand abusers other than aggron before mega evolving (but you're never not mega'ing it). feels like the sand almost hurts you more than it helps, since it breaks raichu's sash and passively chipping down your own bulky offense mons doesn't feel super great, especially without any reliable form of recovery.
• speaking of which, there are some very questionable set choices here. milotic is not at all supposed to be a fast offensive mon, it's supposed to be a defensive mon that can stick around on the field with recover while chipping things and fishing for burns with scald, and it really relies on competitive to become a serious damage threat, so the way that you're building it is odd; you should definitely be focusing on its bulk with a defensive item like sitrus/lefties.
• more issues here with sylveon; why are you not running hyper voice? pixilate-boosted spread damage is sylveon's main draw, and dropping it for shadow ball is...questionable at best. you also don't need double fairy STABs in moonblast and hyper beam; hyper voice is what you're clicking most of the time, so I'd drop one of the two depending on if you value consistency or burst and replace it with a more useful move like calm mind or sub.
• your EV spreads aren't great; 32/32 is fine on some mons like sneasler and aggron (I guess) but for the others you want to be calcing for specific hits, especially for the likes of sylveon and milotic. you're also missing a nature on sneasler, but I assume that was just an oversight.
• as for changing the team you could do like, sinistcha>raichu and tack on an incin over ttar to support mega aggron or go more sand-oriented with excadrill, up to you.

[viscid knoll]

I misclicked on Sylveon

[ripe turret]

ok that makes more sense

[viscid knoll]

I have Hyper Voice on my actual team but messed that up here

I also just got myself Incin and Sinistcha so I can swap those in nicely

[near lodge]

https://pokepast.es/30624dbaa299a319 for champions on showdown
I honestly dont have the most solid reason for adding slowbro... I js wanted a water type and felt like I should have a 2nd tr setter, so thats a hole in my team rn

[viscid knoll]

How do you best figure out what hits you need to be prepared for?

Like to the point of actually getting in the math to ensure that you survive

All the super effective hits in the meta? Just the really powerful neutral ones?

[ripe turret]

what I do is just pull up the calculator and see how much damage you take from common attacks with no investment

and then depending on how close you are to surviving then you invest in that accordingly

[daring fable]

So far so good have about a 50/50 win rate

[languid basin]

Thoughts on my team, its gotten me to Great 1 but unable to progress further, Not sure what I could be doing better here

I always lead Zard and Saur
And then depending on matchup

If they have a Weather Setter then Whimsicott for sure

If alot of Electric Weaks then Rotom
If they have a Rotom then Garchomp for Volt Switch block
Otherwise Sneasler

[lime marten]

https://pokepast.es/5699f928826a06c9

So im new to all to the VGC/Doubles scene especially since practically everyone i know is doing this so im throwing my hat into the ring cause rn ive managed to get Ultra Ball tier 1, however knowing that the competition is going to get much more tougher futher on when i eventually hit Master Ball tier i want to get my Mega Scovillian Team checked out first before going any futher with battles within Champions.

[robust wasp]

Could you recommend me a build maybe more tailored towards dealing with milotic bc I feel like I'm facing milotic every freaking game but oddly I haven't fought a single corv and I'm like ultra ball 2 rn I think

And thanks for the previous suggestions before those sound very good

[random wagon]

Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 31 HP / 12 Def / 1 SpA / 20 SpD / 2 Spe
Bold Nature

• Hydro Pump
• Thunderbolt
• Will-O-Wisp
• Protect

this could be helpful?

[random wagon]

this team looks pretty solid. i think on sun you really can only afford to run one grass type though, so you'd have to choose between whimsicott and venusaur

[languid basin]

Whimsicott was intended as a secondary sun setter, who would you recommend I shift to?

[random wagon]

probably drop whimsicott for scarf basc (sounds odd but many successful sun teams have been using it) or incineroar if u intend to keep venu

also king's rock kinda sucks on chomp

would suggest choice scarf and dropping protect for stantrum

rotom also doesn

't need dual electric stab

pick between vs and tbolt, i personally think tbolt is better but its really up to what ur more comfortable with

and whichever one you drop can be replaced by will o wisp

not a fan of these rotom evs either

[random wagon]

try smth like this

[random wagon]

looks very good! only issue i could see is maybe floette being a bit difficult, and u probably don't need double darks

but if its working for you i dont really have any changes to suggest

[languid basin]

Will do

Wasnt able to spin an Incin on recruitment will have to sort one tomorrow

But thanks for the tips

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/96391325c73fb0e3

thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant trellis]

I mean

If you're insistent on making chandelure work ig this is a way to do it

[fathom token]

:D

[distant trellis]

But it's still yk

Chandelure

[fathom token]

how high would you put it on a mega tier list

[distant trellis]

In the "usable but why bother" tier unfortunately

[fathom token]

awh

well its ok

[distant trellis]

Thing is right

[fathom token]

later in this format I'll probably play with char anyways

[distant trellis]

This seems really weak to smth like fake out+ aerodactyl

Cause then your only speed control just goes out the window

[fathom token]

that's a lead I didn't consider

[distant trellis]

And even then your speed control can't slow down garchomp who seems really scary here

[fathom token]

yeah chomp is like my worst enemy

that's why I have ice punch durr

[distant trellis]

It's a tech option I suppose

[fathom token]

I also made it so that my venasaur can outspeed timid scarf chomp in sun

and potentially sleep him

[distant trellis]

That should help a bit but again fake out will remain an issue

[fathom token]

hmm

okay okay so I gotta look into chomp incin and aero incin leads

that's alright

[distant trellis]

Honestly? I think tr can help a bit here

If you wanna use chandy which again I really don't reccomend

[fathom token]

I did consider it at some point

if that's the case I'd change venausaur for farig

and then I also don't have to worry about fake out

[distant trellis]

There's also some other really annoying mons, the difference between say conk and sneasler as a white herb user is that sneasler actually outspeeds the incin

Conk sits around awkwardly waiting for the inevitable parting shot to hit it

[fathom token]

my conkeldurr outspeeds incin

I made em 86 speed

enought to outspeed even orth

[distant trellis]

Well tbf some incin can be fast

[fathom token]

which I don't think anyone is investing speed in

[fathom token]

fr?

[distant trellis]

Yeah

Wins the mirror

And allows them to throat chop before they can parting shot

[fathom token]

ahh but then they'd just give them at least one stat point in speed

that'd be 81

[distant trellis]

I've seen turbo incin

Like

22+

[fathom token]

holy shit what the fuck

[distant trellis]

That allows for like

Outspeeding scarf basc in tw I think

[fathom token]

that's worrying

hmm

[distant trellis]

Admittedly it's not that common

I personally run very little

Very little speed*

But it's something to watch out for

[fathom token]

as it should be yeah

[distant trellis]

Uhhh what else

Rain definitely feels scary here

[fathom token]

yeah I had sunny day on my maushold

[distant trellis]

The benefit zard y sun has over rain is that you can guarantee weather control

[fathom token]

true

[distant trellis]

And also like

If ninetales takes any chip it can die to scarf basc wave crash

[fathom token]

oh hellish

[distant trellis]

Yeah zard y takes 90

So ninetales is not living

[fathom token]

let's do

[distant trellis]

Fiiiihhhh

[fathom token]

farig foul play

and then we implement tr

remove scarf from rotom?

and make it more of a raw support rather than speed controller

hydro pump instead of electroweb to benefit from rain

[distant trellis]

Scarftom is good but if ur tr idk how I feel about it

There's a world where you can go like

Torkoal

Albeit atp use mega camerupt

[fathom token]

I forgot that guy's statss

let me see

[distant trellis]

Ehhhh this is just tricky chandy is such a weird mega

Camerupt is slowwwww

And has eruption

And a sheer force earth power

[fathom token]

20 speed 145 sp atk

holy moly

[fathom token]

woah alright

feels nice

[distant trellis]

Yeah hard tr teams rly like that guy

[fathom token]

and its pretty tanky as well

I like it

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/03d7af88bb264b1a this got top 4 in a Japanese grassroots tour

[fathom token]

hbeam sylv im crine

bro likes nukes

[distant trellis]

Funny button that makes Kingambit remember it's a mere mortal

[fathom token]

pretty much

[distant trellis]

Also can weaponise mega floette like crazy

Maushold allows some play outside tr with after you

[fathom token]

yeah I saw that and instantly remembered hliligant

okay okay I see then I'll take my team for a spin just to enjoy its last moments before it changes to tr

and then try farig

thanks a lot!!

[distant trellis]

Np

[lime marten]

Alrighty though I still would like to get suggestions since im open to it cause rn Incin is having little and little opportunities to be sent into battle since ive been seeing a lot of Defiant/Competitive Mons like Gambit and Milotic plus as you said Dual Darks isn't risky thing plus the fact of Mega Floette running to just Nuke Everything.

[random wagon]

rotom-w could be a good replacement here

alternatively, if you REALLY want to destroy floette

another steel???

eh

u have iron head kgb already

but yeah rotom-w could be nice

i think you could go scarf here

Rotom-Wash @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 16 HP / 25 SpA / 25 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hydro Cannon
• Discharge
• Trick
• Volt Switch

smth like this?

[lime marten]

Alrighty

[random wagon]

uh

not hydro cannon lol

hydro pump

and drop discharge for electroweb probably

[lime marten]

I was going to see if Milotic would have been good too because of its Bulk and having Competitive but this Wash Rotom Set looks really good

[mighty walrus]

https://pokepast.es/6ba4b553d9329db8 hi guys, i just made my first team for doubles and i'd like some feedback for it

[viscid knoll]

what will I be doing to beat mega charizard y teams when I can't use Tyranitar to change the weather and threaten with rock slide?

[ripe turret]

that does seem quite difficult yeah

I guess what you could do is tech rock slide sneasler

[viscid knoll]

I didn’t even realize Sneasler learned it lmao

[ripe turret]

or just go back to ttar and add excadrill instead

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/f9b51801774284cf

can smn tell me what to change

[ripe turret]

not too sure what maushold is doing here outside of memes tbh

[sturdy pecan]

does the pop bomb thing not work

with rock

[ripe turret]

eh

it’s like

a gimmick

but you’re only getting 10 hits like what

54% of the time?

and the flinch chance is also around like 40ish iirc

with max hits

it’s far too inconsistent to be an actual strat

[sturdy pecan]

ic

so do i change maus

[ripe turret]

my problem with this team is like

outside of exca/ttar what’s doing damage

maushold is not a consistent damage dealer at all, and the other three aren’t built offensively

[ripe turret]

yeah I would

[sturdy pecan]

what could i replace mons with

i could use aggron

[robust wasp]

I've got my sitrus on incineroar, should I swap or use a different item for rotom?

Also js wondering why is the ev spread so specific? I'm pretty new to vgc so idk all the complex stuff

[violet valve]

what do i change or is it ok?

https://pokepast.es/8f0ecb7a92e909e1

[fleet falcon]

https://pokepast.es/e3428644d9793157
Idk if I cooked or not here tbh
The big thing I'm unsure of is Farigaraf, Trick Room makes no sense on this team since it's a lot of fast mons and Kingambit but I also don't want Sneasler to die to priority
Any ideas?

(Also I'm now realizing Chomp should probably be jolly)

[wind glacier]

I made a champions team, any advice?
https://pokepast.es/47f3f595df67a685

[modest mural]

https://pokepast.es/b3439a1958a11d43

made a vgc team, been seeing some levels of success i guess. EV's on ttar is to survive an adamant adaptability basculegion wave crash after mega evolution, unsure if its necessary though.

any suggestions?

[ripe turret]

you can fit eq on chomp over crunch since you have corv

other than that it looks fine, not the biggest fan of offensive incin but it can work

[broken shuttle]

this seems mostly reasonable, i have a few notes though

• drop taunt on whims for protect, you have encore already anyways & you need protect to not get cucked by fake out
• i'm not a super big fan of tyranitar here, i think something worth considering here is Scarf Rotom>ttar & then making your garchomp white herb or soft sand. basically this gives you a much better rain matchup while also preserving your ability to hit charizard.
• i think you should consider bulk up corv over iron defense and then roost over protect, this allows you to take better advantage of brave bird while also giving you more longevity w. roost

new paste:
https://pokepast.es/6eacf4621b0f859f

[wind glacier]

Any advice

[broken shuttle]

i do not see the point of toxapex or hoodra at all, the standard on these teams is Aerodactyl to hit Charizard-Y and set tailwind & Garchomp to hit Sneasler, Megar Gengar, and defensively handle Charizard.

because i added aero and it needs sash, i made the sneasler set the white herb. Bulky calm mind with only fairy moves is also just the best floette set, you don't need psychic because you already hit sneasler hard enough with fairy moves & your partners. I made it chople berry on the incin to defensively handle Sneasler better

https://pokepast.es/5ae900fb9ebd9b51

[broken shuttle]

patience twin

[wind glacier]

I did switch for wherb but tox has helped me

[tacit crater]

I'm struggling with the sand matchup does anyone know what I could use instead

I think aerodactyl could be swapped or another mon like Scizor but scizor has been great for floette and cleaning up end games

https://pokemonvgcteamreport.com/s/cIjGuAJI

[broken shuttle]

this looks chill mostly
there's 4 main things i question

• why no wave crash on basc? and what does psychic fangs do?
  you should definitely be wave crash over liquidation, you miss a lot of important KOs without it. you also need jolly to get over a lot of things w. scarf, you don't outspeed mega gengar and delphox, for example. i subbed psyfangs for icy wind to give you some extra speed control and free up a moveslot on gengar
• SD & no protect on sneasler? not really worth it tbh. make sure you make your nature -SpA, naughty subtracts your defense for no reason. just swap SD for protect, sneasler is a bit too frail to take advantage of setup
• i like the farig on this team i'd just recommend you go helping hand>dazzling gleam, helping hand lets you accelerate offense with a lot of your stronger attackers & you don't really want to rely on farig to hit dark types
• w. icy wind on scarf basc, you can afford to run sub on gar. also sludge wave hits your partner, so you should run sludge bomb instead.
  new paste: https://pokepast.es/af34a5051dad0d85

[wind glacier]

Btw ur awesome

[gilded wren]

Hi I'm new to the competitive pokemon scene and wanted help with my team. The team is a TR mega crabominable team

[dreamy tiger]

https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1682323-42fowgdsty1nokvjq48s mega floette fairy spam ho
floette is functioning as more of a support piece here, since it can sit next to my other fairy types as they spam fairy aura boosted fairy moves.
I'm not sure about prim's item, I've also tried kebia berry and mystic water before

aerodactyl has the wrong ability, it should be unnerve

[wind glacier]

May not want so many normal moves on syl but idk

[fleet falcon]

Alright ty

[wind glacier]

I won my first battle with this team! Tyty!

[random wagon]

you have quite literally no matchup into corviknight and seem to struggle into

pretty much any steel type

• first things first, synthesis floette isn't worth it

since floette is already relatively bulky and vgc matches don't last long, you wont end up needing it too often

additionally, you currently have a wide guard issue. so i'd recommend dropping it for moonblast

to be quite honest i don't think you need primarina or sylveon

i think for now it'd be best to replace them with scarf basc and incineroar to form a fwg with meowscarada

soft sand garchomp without eq is also kinda odd

and i dont think you need slide chomp that much so i'd suggest dropping it for eq

but it you want to keep rock slide then probably run white herb to avoid intimidate and other random drops

aerodactyl and meowscarada both really want protect but i think, if anything, meowscarada can go without it

aerodactyl not as much

if you're without sash you lose a lot of the pressure aero leads have since they have nearly guaranteed tailwind thanks to it

as of right now a scarf basc can just remove it off rip

probably want to give the mewoscarada something that boosts its damage output or a choice scarf

this floette spread is also just not doing it tbh

EVs: 32 HP / 13 Def / 5 SpA / 16 Spe

try smth like this possibly?

[random wagon]

probably swap the item on incineraor to chople or shuca berry

evs outrun basc in tw, live solar beam from chardy, dump into def

[dreamy tiger]

corviknight is an issue but I find depending on the set prim and sylveon can beat it. especially if it's iron press corv which doesn't always run a steel move. kingambit and aegislash are no issue, sylveon ohkos most kingambit with hyper beam. but yeah corviknight is the most problematic steel type, and scizor is also not a great mu

[random wagon]

the issue isn't corv running a steel move its moreso that things like bu roost can just wall you out, especially with their common supports of fake out incineroar and sinistcha to heal it up (then brave bird is seriously chunking). a well played kingambit should certainly be an issue. most are paired with sneasler too which is troublesome for a triple fairy core. im surprised aegislash isn't giving you troubles since they typically carry wide guard which invalidates many of your pokemon. i wouldn't be too worried about scizor though since its kinda ehh

[dreamy tiger]

not that I'm saying this is a bad idea but that kinda defeats the purpose of this team, since I already have a more balanced mega floette team

[dreamy tiger]

I'm running max defense floette for sneasler specifically
it has to be +def nature to live a dire claw from adamant sneasler

[dreamy tiger]

so should I maybe move sash to aerodactyl and run protean scarf meowscarada?

and maybe run play rough on meowscarada for the fairy aura synergy

[random wagon]

yeah probably this

i think you're leaning too far into the fairy aura synergy though

think of it this way

mega floette plays kinda similar to xerneas without geomancy

xerneas was never really run with additional fairies, though this was mainly because it didn't need to

i think the same should go for floette here

not saying its terrible

but in a format where sneasler, mega gengar, and steels dominate

its not going to be fun

[random wagon]

32+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 32 HP / 13 Def Mega Floette: 152-180 (83.9 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

not true btw

try the spread i suggested

[dreamy tiger]

oh I didn't select mega floette specifically when I did my calcs

[unique trout]

hi, i took a shot at making a mega blastoise team, pretty new to VGC. I didn't know what items to with because of the limited selection. any help improving this team would be appreciated, ty!
https://teams.pokemonshowdown.com/view/1682082-wtydnb6pn9glxg9c5dyl

[acoustic slate]

https://pokepast.es/e288b969654ae852 looking for feedback on my mega emboar team. A few others say its looks good but I just want more opinions on it before I commit to making it on champions

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9 Champions] VGC RMT @distant trellis, @sleek laurel, @random wagon, @jovial creek, @broken shuttle. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant trellis]

Ehhhhh

Mega emboar just rly isn't a good mega

Alas

This kinda gets rolled over by mega zard y asw

The only lead you have is like

Scarf chomp whims

And they have means around that

Rain is also pretty mid here I do not envy the mega dragonite mu

[desert kayak]

life dew on milotic for support or recover if you wanna rely on milotic a bit more offensively

instead of ice beam

[proper arrow]

Champions doubles

Is there where I go to learn? Im definitely missing moves. I cant remember right now. (My internet is out) but this is like the 3rd or 4th iteration.

[distant trellis]

Ice beam is rly the only thing that stops mega nite from rolling over this team so idk

[desert kayak]

blastoise needs a second reliable move next to water spout, if it ever gets low

[distant trellis]

Scarfchomp isn't rly a check on it's own either

[desert kayak]

he has moonblast and garchomp scarf

but life dew isnt necessary

so ig

[distant trellis]

Garchomp gets ohko'd after doing pretty mediocre damage thanks to multiscale and moonblast same thing

[desert kayak]

true

[unique trout]

i would probably add water pulse, but what do you think i should replace

[desert kayak]

dark pulse

[distant trellis]

Where's your mega 😭

[proper arrow]

Lol it was delphox in the last ver.

I been mulling around some teams

[distant trellis]

Not running a mega is throwing I also don't see like

[unique trout]

everything else look ok?

[distant trellis]

Much threat potential

[desert kayak]

aerodactyl -> sash
garchomp doesnt need protect if its scarft, add like poison jab or something
milotic should be bulky with leftovers since its slow
sable eye isnt that great of a prankster user

and add a mega

[distant trellis]

Run like

Mega froslass if you want snow

[desert kayak]

Im not an expert on rain teams, idk how well sneasler and kingambit run on rain

[unique trout]

oh ok, thanks though

[distant trellis]

Idk if I like fake out on stoise icl

[distant trellis]

Kingambit is pretty solid on rain

It appreciates the weakening of fire type attacks thrown at it and also helps rain in the mirror since it checks basc

[unique trout]

i was debating between fake out or shell smash but i went fake out to help get up tailwind safer

[distant trellis]

Ig that's fine it's moreso shell smash makes that guy so unbelievably scary

[proper arrow]

I could drop aero and go back to delphox

[unique trout]

yeah true

[desert kayak]

aerodactyl is rly good id keep it

[proper arrow]

Okay

[distant trellis]

Honestly I'd start from scratch, what's even the idea here?

If you're running snow mega froslass is there and you can build a nice core around it

You run sneasler for Kingambit and aero for sun and you can fill out the rest

[unique trout]

ill try out a few games with shell smash

[desert kayak]

shoutout to tinkaton users

home zacian

[distant trellis]

Tinkaton </3

[unique trout]

but if im going shell smash i prob gotta get rid of trick room on sinistcha

so shadow ball maybe?

[distant trellis]

Shadow ball is fine

[desert kayak]

if you dont have trouble with trick rooms you can drop it

[distant trellis]

I am also worried about a potential garchomp weakness tho

Like of the 6 mons on the team 3 are weak with no ground immunity and one resist

[proper arrow]

Bulk with some attackers. But I like the typing of tinkaton, and milo is good. The sableye is a swagger for tink. But idk the mon I want to use are incin, tink(because no mawile), and milo

[distant trellis]

Mawile isn't in the game

</3

[proper arrow]

I meant no mawile

[distant trellis]

Ah

[proper arrow]

Thats why in running tinkaton

[distant trellis]

Well I get bulk with some attackers but tinkaton is uhhh

[unique trout]

in the few games i played arch didnt seem that useful so i might try replacing that

[distant trellis]

Not strong

75 base attack isn't cutting it even with gigaton hammer

Especially in the incin format

[proper arrow]

Even with mold?

[distant trellis]

Mold doesn't ignore intimidate

[proper arrow]

My bad I thought it did

[distant trellis]

Mold breaker ignores opponents abilities when doing damage, for instance being able to hit farigiraf with fake out through armour tail

But it doesn't cancel abilities

They all still activate but when doing damage it acts like they're not there

Intimidate just drops attack on entry so it doesn't actually have any affect when you deal damage

It's not like the attack drop happens when you attack incin

That's the best way I can describe it

[proper arrow]

Well ig back to square 1

Nah I get what you are saying

[distant trellis]

You could try dnite as a second mega?

[unique trout]

dnite or maybe gardevoir?

[distant trellis]

Garde is fineeee but dnite tends to have better synergy with rain

Both work ig

I will say on blastoise if you do run shell smash just lead sneasler or sinistcha depending on what you see in lesd

[acoustic slate]

I’m aware, I just think it’s really cool and I want to use it to its fullest potential

[distant trellis]

Blastoise is definitely a hard mega to get to work but it can work

[distant trellis]

If you're insistent on using it then I don't dislike the current setup you have going

But again I do worry about your weather matchups

[acoustic slate]

Yeah that was a pretty big concern for me as well

Idk how to fix it reliably

[distant trellis]

I think you wanna go like

Sneasler Kingambit whimsicott or aerodactyl then garchomp

Sinistcha and some other guy

Preferably a special attacker

Or even farigiraf over sinis

And then idk sylveon maybe?

[unique trout]

i played one game with shell smash and stoise one tapped everything😭

[distant trellis]

Yeah it does that

I've lost to it before

Unironically my team has a horrid mu into it but like

It's fineeeeee

[acoustic slate]

I feel like sinistcha is pretty good for emboar for redirection and healing

[mint raft]

add encore

[distant trellis]

Both are fine

I think sylv 6th is ok

Gives you a stronger tr mode

Primarina is another candidate for that ig but sylveon is definitely stronger

[acoustic slate]

So the team should be like emboar, aero, sneasler, Kingambit, sinistcha, sylveon?

[distant trellis]

Uhhh yeah that should be ok

You could swap sylveon for mega gardevoir asw

If you want more speed

[acoustic slate]

Ah ok

Ty

I wanna use the opportunity to use emboar while I can because as soon as lucario z drops im just gonna use that

Because lucario is my goat but emboar is my third favorite

Second favorite is Lunala but I feel like she won’t be in the game for a while

[distant trellis]

Me praying mega lucario z doesn't get prankster like those leaks suggested

[acoustic slate]

If lucario z gets prankster im gonna crash out SO hard

[distant trellis]

Albeit those leaks were wrong about a few mons so