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amoonguss also does feel a bit slow for this team + stacks weaknesses

[spiral cosmos]

Make it ogerpon

[random wagon]

which ogerpon is the question

hearthflame probs

i could see cornerstone working too

[spiral cosmos]

Hearth or stone yeah

[grave jewel]

https://pokepast.es/24991338200cd0b1 any thoughts and suggestions? notes are in the paste.

[ripe turret]

mental herb + tera dark seems a little overkill on torn, and you also have your own farig to block prankster taunt/encore

also csr isn’t in reg f (thank god)

ngl this team looks primed for cm bolt

you could definitely just run it over torn and make a few set changes to your other mons

[grave jewel]

right

forgot about that

ig hes too much of a nightmare

(pun intended)

[grave jewel]

what would you suggest

[ripe turret]

like cm bolt, incin + rilla are fine, and then a support booster speed flutter and mystic water urshifu

[grave jewel]

i was messing around with other mons i could have, after i watched an old vid of wolfe

https://pokepast.es/ec6e0bc4c96067f5

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[grave jewel]

i dont have bolt with cm there yet

[grave jewel]

• forgot to include the changes to flutter mane and ursh

[ripe turret]

yeah that definitely works too, I assume you meant to put glide on hearthflame instead of grass knot lol

also putting points into farig's attack

and ghost tera flutter

lmao

[mint raft]

alr well my other team seemingly had no direction but this one just struggles against a lot of teams (reg i)
https://pokepast.es/fd166e174ac239dc

I had hearthflame originally but I never used her so I swapped to wellspring

got most of the team from gpt suggestions tho

original goal was to find a team for ndm

[mint raft]

my other team is doing way better in reg f tho after some minor EV adjustments
https://pokepast.es/8aeb24f348a97115

[ripe turret]

uh I'm just gonna give it to you straight man, this team is not good whatsoever

it looks like a hardroom team with a fast mode? but your sets/mon choices don't make much sense

black sludge amoonguss is not good as a recovery item since it means you can't tera it at all + the burst healing from sitrus is just much better on a mon that's designed to take attacks

you're running hatterene with eforce but have no way to set psychic terrain

clam vital spirit annihilape when goggles defiant is just better, and also setup ape is not viable in this reg whatsoever

min speed leftovers arch

that's just the obvious things

if you want to run hardroom try something like this https://pokepast.es/c4199a45fd5c189d

if you want a more semiroom team with a fast mode something like this https://pokepast.es/923cf7203cee7e86 or this https://pokepast.es/0a21f0baf3264a89 would be better

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/93518e8485041ade
Looking to get back into reg F after taking a short break. Does this look decent? The things im a bit iffy on are the Incin set (Thinking about using goggles.), The Amoonguss tera, the last moveslot on ogerpon, and chienpao existence on the team in general.

[mint raft]

nah man incineroar is like the one pokemon I never want to use period (and I'd put flutter mane/rillaboom/calyrex anything as close seconds)

but I understand the rest of what you're saying

although the eforce on hatterene is just a slightly weaker psychic for punishing indeedee usage imo

and I have won most of my sets by using bulk up a few times on the ape but I can look into alternatives

I will say I have gotten like zero play out of toxic (and can only see it being used on a dozo) so what would be the move to swap it out with

[grave jewel]

Yes 😭

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/face83c65ea46c1e
The iron swords team

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[ripe turret]

honestly I would just recommend scrapping the team entirely, the mons themselves also don’t have a ton of synergy together

if you want you can tell me what kind of team you were trying to build and then we can go from there

[grave jewel]

So I tested the team out on showdown, and I encountered a lot of rain teams running basc + pelipper and absolutely getting wiped out, so I decided to switch my hearthflame to a wellspring ogerpon

With follow me

And then I've also been seeing a few enamorus mons

But idk how to deal with that

[ripe turret]

double glide is really strong into rain

just use urshifu/flutter to deal with arch

as for enamorus I wouldn’t worry about it

it’s basically nonexistent at higher levels

your plan into it would probably be to set TR though because they tend to run fast sets along with thundy

[ripe turret]

generally speaking this looks fine

I would consider clam boulder so you have a better answer for incin

also iron leaves is hot garbage but I get that it’s the point of the team

just for future reference I’d recommend sending the more off-meta teams somewhere else

[mint raft]

Well as much as it’s played well for me I care more about my reg-i necrozma team which is currently hot trash

[ripe turret]

oh yeah ndm is probably like

bottom 5 restricteds icl

like it’s honestly just terrible unfortunately

it unironically gets outclassed by solgaleo

[mint raft]

Which sucks cuz it’s way cooler

I just want to find a way to make it work

[ripe turret]

yeah I feel that

the best thing I can think of is probably some sort of semiroom team?

[mint raft]

Currently I think I struggle to deal with miraidon and occasionally flutter-mane when they get speed boosts via items or moves cuz even with tailwind I can’t out speed

[grave jewel]

That's why we pull out the trick room

[mint raft]

He’s not that good in trick room at base 77

[zinc imp]

Yeah it just does so little damage lo

[fringe storm]

https://pokepast.es/e4ebdb3ea65f5a30

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[fringe storm]

i tried regigigas

oops forgot changing gweezing tera to flying

my main problems are both forms of lando

[ripe turret]

run lorb over clam on gigas

you don’t need clam b/c gweez blocks intim anyways

and lorb should let you pick up lando in a single hit

(idk if you already do with clam but with lorb you definitely do)

also run a more supportive set on gweez

you definitely want the ability to protect with it

and idk if toedscruel is the best this reg

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/f8aafc3ad2ac12ed

[ripe turret]

looks mostly ok, there’s a few things I’d change

mostly sash flutter with icy wind>gleam, AV incin, and cloak whims with more speed

[cinder glacier]

@ripe turret u have icy wind and dazzling gleam

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/babb9962eb03f699 threw the skeleton of a kind of tailroom psyspam team together does anyone have suggestions?

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[light nebula]

Kinda just threw it together as a proof of concept it's not done at all

[hot glade]

i think replacing dhelphox with armarouge would be better as they share a typing but armarouge has synergy in both trick room and tailwind making it better

as dhelphox is aso frailer i beleive

also bro ur team is gonna collapse at the sight of chi yu or incin

so maybe get a fighting type to even it out

like shifu

or sum else

[light nebula]

Arma also learns trick room right

[hot glade]

yep

and expanding force

and heat wave

and overall has more usefull abilities

in weak armor flash fire

[light nebula]

Yeah that's goin instead of delphox

[hot glade]

lol

[light nebula]

I could probably drop cress too for urshi

[hot glade]

yeah as 3 trickroom setters is too much in tailroom

and shifu would be a tailwind sweeper

[light nebula]

Yeah that was my thought too

[hot glade]

nice

[light nebula]

Rapid would help with fire types too

[hot glade]

yeah as fire dark types are your weakness

due to crown and armarouge unable to touch em

unless you do something funny with tera blast

as u can see i love using psyspam :3

[light nebula]

Nahh even tho tera fighting blasting would be mad funny ur right

I'll just go with ursh

[hot glade]

kk

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b8bc3180b9a3db11 new team (featuring po kung fu panda)

Not sure what I wanna do with speed investment I don't really know what speed tiers I should be hitting

Arma has enough investment to out speed flutter in tailwind but not with booster speed

And amoonguss is just fat ass mushroom

[granite basin]

you really dont need 2 eforce users here, instead i tihnk another special sweepre in regidrago would fit well

then mushtroom is good but a little passive for this type of build, try ogerpon instead imo

then remove psychic from iron crown its not necessary here, like protect is better

[light nebula]

I was juggling between prot and psychic I figured single something psychic+single target would be nice

Now that I think tho it's probably fine since tachyon

[ripe turret]

oh oops I meant protect>gleam

[fringe storm]

okay

[fringe storm]

may i have a suggestion on a set?

[ripe turret]

steam/gleam, wisp, taunt protect

or tspikes + gas

[fringe storm]

got it

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/2498b1a51b2498a3
A reg i team i guess

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[ripe turret]

4 of the mons you're using on this team are unviable

I'd just recommend scrapping this team

if you could tell me what you were trying to build we can go from there

[zinc imp]

bastiodon perrserker leaves and ray or some-

[granite basin]

yes

[ripe turret]

yeah

bastio perr ray and leaves

iron bundle is also like

kinda questionable

but I'm personally a fan

[zinc imp]

i used it to outspeed miraidons
thats all

[ripe turret]

yeah I think bundle on mirai teams is fine

but everything else needs to go

and also you need to be running bundle as speed control

it doesn't do enough damage to justify using it as an attacker

[zinc imp]

hm ok

[ripe turret]

its niche is basically outspeeding proto flutter, icy wind, then let mirai nuke it

because of the way rounding works icy wind will always make proto flutter one point slower than timid mirai

[zinc imp]

is kyurem black cool on a miraidon team

[granite basin]

its pr much entirely outclassed by calyrex ice rider

[broken shuttle]

yea that guy is unviable

[lavish nexus]

check labmaus if you want ideas for pairings

[coral mirage]

is empoleon paired with rain dance/tailwind tornadus a good combo?

[keen citrus]

https://pokepast.es/d94bcdfcd70a6978 Reg F team, i think it can be better but idk how

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[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/03bf7ae8162e53e6 im not very confident in this (admittedly basic) reg i team

oh that was supposed to be tera ghost on incin

[ripe turret]

you have a few odd choices here, the core of torn/shifu/rilla/ghold is OK but you probably want specs ghold and definitely replace bundle/muk

actually idk if rilla fits super well here either

[keen citrus]

What pokemon could be better in his place?

[blissful quarry]

I might just build a new one from different restricteds this one just feel awkward

[ripe turret]

I'm thinking

AV bolt over rilla

[keen citrus]

I liked using muk in this team, if have another mon similar to this

[ripe turret]

and then amoonguss +1

there isn't really a replacement for muk

it's a very niche strategy

the only other minimizer that is remotely viable is drifblim

[keen citrus]

Ok thanks

[ripe turret]

I mean it seems ok tbh, I'd run AV incin

and probably protect>idef

on zama

[blissful quarry]

replace iron defense?

[ripe turret]

yeah

and then like

actually taunt on whims is fine

[blissful quarry]

taunt and encore is a great combo

[ripe turret]

probably run tera stellar/ghost on pao too

not quite seeing the purpose of dark

[blissful quarry]

ig that makes sense considering dark was for offense

im gonna be honest

forgot stellar existed

[ripe turret]

yeah if you want the extra damage for some calc then run stellar

happens lmao

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/a152688fbcd3e944 thoughts? havent evd them properly yet

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[zinc imp]

Why ursh dark instead of rapid

[ocean lantern]

I don't like horses

[zinc imp]

Cal shadows with sashes:

Plus you aint ohkoing cal ices even

[ocean lantern]

Well

What does rapid do

[zinc imp]

Also
Ursh rapid also has a 4x resistance to cal ice's glacial lance

[mint raft]

4?

[zinc imp]

Break sashes

[ocean lantern]

True

I'll reconsider

[zinc imp]

Takes 0.25x damage from glacial lance

[mint raft]

but why tho

[ocean lantern]

What about the rest of the team

[zinc imp]

Ask the people who are good not me lo

[mint raft]

are you mistakenly assuming fighting resists ice

[ocean lantern]

It's .5x, fighting doesn't resist ice

[mint raft]

cuz there's no water resist in unseen fist

that's what I'm saying

[zinc imp]

h

[mint raft]

I was like is this some kind of hidden mechanic

[zinc imp]

Welp see
I suck

[mint raft]

bro

😭

[zinc imp]

◇

[mint raft]

rapid probly lets you pick up chien-pao

[zinc imp]

Yeah

[ocean lantern]

No darkshifu love here

Poor guy

[zinc imp]

Cause rapid is just an upgrade

[ocean lantern]

Sometimes

[mint raft]

I like seeing my opponent use dark if that's any consolation

i've been told my team sucks multiple times tho lmao so not like it matters

are you trying to use ursaluna outside of trick room on occasion perchance

[ocean lantern]

Yeah, I want some tailroom action

That's why ursh has no speed too

[ripe turret]

either urshifu form honestly looks fine here, but I’d run sash if you’re using darkfu

hearthflame also looks solid there

[ripe turret]

not necessarily

they both have uses

granted urs has more use cases than ss

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/e5aef6fade534bf2 my homeboys team I wanna help him out with improving it since he's still p new to vgc

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[light nebula]

Since this paste he's swapped u-turn for parting shot

He really likes Groudon but he doesn't seem to bring hooh very often but idk what else pairs well with groudon

[ocean lantern]

I might run band rapid strikes since it can ohko caly shadow

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/7b4652e7dd2414b9 i adjusted to this

• ho-oh is pretty bad, calyrex-s fits well with torn and groudon
• i changed around the items a bit: incin has AV to take on calyrex-s and miraidon better, expert belt is just a bad item so i replaced it w. black glasses, cloak is so that torn can still set tailwind in front of fake out
• the team didnt really have tera types previously, made groudon tera fire to boost fire punch, incin fairy to resist zamazenta-c body press, caly normal and torn dark for the calyrex mirror + to block prankster moves from opposing torn and whims
• for move choices: i got rid of SD & rock slide since they're a bit unneeded on don, hhp lets you hit zamazenta thru wide guard and heat crash w. tfire lets you go immediately offensive into a lot of mons. Incin is AV so protect is unnecessary. u-turn ursh was super weird you kinda need sucker on that guy.

[ripe turret]

yeah that works

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/8283347e0595fae0
ik im missing a couple calcs

[ripe turret]

for mirai I think you might also want to calc for lorb korai cc

personally I think you can remove some from the spatk

also slow mirai feels kinda bad

I think you also want a faster urshifu

[ocean lantern]

Idk it's been nice tbh. If I want to outspeed I can just tw, and if they have their own tw I tr

[ocean lantern]

Anything I should be outspeeding?

[ripe turret]

at least like max speed incin

lunala tends to sit around that range too

[viscid knoll]

https://pokepast.es/50daa2c08b7acba6 I like Ho-Oh and Groudon so I'd like to try and make a decent team with them as my restricted's, any pieces of advice would be appreciated

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[viscid knoll]

having a bot bother you every 6 hours to look at pokemon teams has gotta get annoying eventually

[broken shuttle]

make archaludon a bulky flutter mane here

you appreciate the added speed control + arch is kind of bad & outstatted in reg i

i think the incin here could be something like an AV raging bolt, it would make calyrex-ice a bit harder to play around but between flutter/groudon/cornerstone/urshifu it's probably still playable

the incin is kinda redundant for everything other than the ice rider mu tbh

it just overlaps w. ho-oh & urshifu too much

i think you could also do an offensive bolt and run assault vest groudon here pretty reliably

in fact i think i like that a bit more personally

[viscid knoll]

what should the 4th move on Groudon be in that case

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/b7dbbfbe627324a9

something like this seems pretty reasonable

u may want to make it jolly cornerstone

ogerpon-hearthflame looks a bit problematic here if you arent

[broken shuttle]

this seems mostly reasonable but i think having your hands & bear speed tie is a bit suspect, also would recommend speed creeping them as a lot of calyrex ice run a bit of speed creep for the mirror

i think not having a straight up caly immunity outside of ursaluna is a bit dubious here, something like AV incin looks really nice here in the hands slot and gives your speed tiers a bit more depth

[viscid knoll]

thanks for the help, I was feeling that redundancy with him in a good bit of the games I was running but was gaslighting myself into keeping him bc it's incin

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[ocean lantern]

i picked iron hands bc of electric terrain, but yeah im not really feeling it and incin sounds good. either way ill probably stop running this team as im not feeling lunala either

https://pokepast.es/7e9917bbaa2b1600 could something like this work? if so, i would appreciate some ev guidance

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[broken shuttle]

i feel like not having a ghost resist on caly-i is pretty bad, i think you should try roaring moon>tornadus here

otherwise this looks fine

https://pokepast.es/f9972eab81f9e1fb

id just start w. these evs and work from there

you do need protect on ogre tho

[ocean lantern]

How does jugulis look there instead? I like the idea

Do you know what some of those evs do?

Also how does high horsepower instead of u-turn look on rilla to hit miraidon, terad koraidon and zamazenta?

[broken shuttle]

its ok, i think moon is generally a higher quality mon but juggy is usable

[broken shuttle]

he did a team report on it

look up cary d’ortona

[broken shuttle]

i think you kinda need u-turn to stay ahead of miraidon in the terrain war

having hhp is nice its just kinda greed imo

[acoustic scroll]

hiii, its the first time I try competitive pokemon, is this a good team?

[ocean lantern]

Where? Can't find it

[ocean lantern]

Alright

[broken shuttle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE-7KOnYuaU

[ocean lantern]

oh on yt

ok ty

[broken shuttle]

id recommend using a sample team to get familiar with the format before you try building your own team. gonna be honest it's not very good

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?usp=sharing
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-regulation-f-2-0-sample-teams.3777032/
these are good resources for teams

[acoustic scroll]

dam i tried ill check then! thanks alot

[acoustic scroll]

i even found one with the same strat i had in mind thanks!!https://pokepast.es/e9cf2f1190b4b630

[broken shuttle]

GL

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/6839cc566b3c556f what kind of defensive pokemon can i use here? i need something that is good into flutter, landorus, and CSR, and AV incineroar seemed to be the best fit for that aside from its ground weakness

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[light nebula]

i forgot to set it but im thinking about tera grass to help witht he ground weakness while im not entirely sure on that front yet

[vagrant orchid]

How's my team
https://pokepast.es/c6581b70012a85d6

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/17662ca30d5c7557
reg f espeon team that i've actually been doing well with but i feel like some of the sets could be better
(also espeon secret top tier? )

[sturdy pecan]

does anyone have any h zoroark teams in reg F

[pastel junco]

https://pokepast.es/218a5b1b2ae7978f

Hello

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[pastel junco]

Can anyone help me about my team.
And leads that i should do for common reg i archetypes

[amber galleon]

https://pokepast.es/013aeb67ea8ef024
im new on vgc and idk nothing about teambuilding, could anyone give me some advices? thx a lot

[pastel junco]

@amber galleon The team that u have brother actually has lot of great mons but as u have given most of ur mon so much speed and hp it even though has so high power pokemon lacks offence

And the torn actually isn't supplementing ursa for speed control which can be a liability

[granite basin]

yo this team is ok, good pokemon choices but the sets have some notable issues, id recommend starting out by taking sets from https://munchstats.com/gen9vgc2026regf/1760/Incineroar here it can be really useful, as most if not all of your sets are suboptimal

[granite basin]

main thing here is you really dont need the double grass redirector, incin would fit a lot better over amoonguss

and u prolly want plot life orb csr here

[pastel junco]

Actually with life orb csr i think it makes difficult for me to get around immediate one hit kos

[granite basin]

you have dual fake out (with incineroar), follow me and wide guard to help get around that

[pastel junco]

Like if I wrong thought of which mon is being targeted it will be quite bad

[granite basin]

thats just the nature of the format to be honest

[pastel junco]

And what to in trick room with this team with incin

[granite basin]

cycle fake out / intimidate and pressure the setter immediately

[pastel junco]

I actually am bad in thinking of leads

Ok@granite basin

[granite basin]

im not an expert of piloting csr zama, but if you watch some high level replays i reckon you can find good lines

[pastel junco]

Oh which archetype u like to play with

[granite basin]

i am partial to running more goofy shit lol like dialga csr or koraidon zacian but in a serious sense i prefer to run csr korai teams

[pastel junco]

How do u feel about csr and how do u think that when to bring it or not like late games or not

It's actually a very powerful but wierd mon to be honest

To pilot

[granite basin]

it depends on the set / team to be honest and what your playing, im not sure how to put it others could a lot better but its something you learn with practice

[pastel junco]

Yehh

What's actually ur team that u are cooking. I feel u are a high profile player

[granite basin]

im not a high profile player and i dont have much in the builder right now tbh

[pastel junco]

I always like csr but never get it work for me I have tried it from may last year on it

[pastel junco]

Ok

[granite basin]

if its not really working maybe try out different popular team structures

[pastel junco]

If I tell u about some criteria I want in a team will u help me draw a sketch of team i should try on

[granite basin]

yeah sure gladly

[pastel junco]

I actually need a team that
actually offers pressure from get go but not setup of some sort and I think trick room is the speed control choice I prefer usually

I also want that I don't auto lose to hard trick room

[granite basin]

kk sounds like

calyrex ice miraidon?

[pastel junco]

Ok

I ll try on it

Thank you

[granite basin]

https://victoryroad.pro/sv-rental-teams-reg-set-i/ heres a helpful resource

[pastel junco]

And in future if I need help can I mention u

[granite basin]

yeah definitely

[pastel junco]

What time u are live more often

[granite basin]

<t:1773781200:t> to <t:1773828000:t> is my general availability though i often have commitments between

[pastel junco]

In ist

[granite basin]

this should auto convert to your timezone

[pastel junco]

Ok

[granite basin]

for me its 8am-9pm +11

[pastel junco]

Thank you

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/769faa4525cbaaae this is what i have so far for reg i

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blissful quarry]

ah crap i gotta rename tornadus

[mint raft]

Just put one more t

[blissful quarry]

i named him whimsicott sr.

[mint raft]

Ehh

Sure

I like mixing up all the names on my rosters

Best if you can get intentionally tricky spelling

So they won’t catch it unless they’re depraved

For instance archaladon

Landerus

Kyoggre

Miraedon

Anyway

[spiral cosmos]

This is what im naming my nido-king from now on

[mint raft]

Great idea isn’t it

[ripe turret]

what

why would you do this to somebody…

[ripe turret]

you have a solid four in ogre shifu lando torn but arch is kinda a fraud in reg i and idk if mirai is the best restricted pairing for you here

you can build it like a swordfish team with zac + amoong/cornerstone potentially

[broken shuttle]

you dont have a calyrex-s resist here, id try fitting something like incineroar in the archaludon slot and then test AV tera electric bulky miraidon over specs

it just makes you a lot more solid into both calyrexes & stuff like flutter mane which looks a bit scary if u cant pin it with urshifu

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/59fb593bebd61a91 @sleek laurel

[sleek laurel]

The PERSONAL ping tho

Now I'm obliged to rate this

[sleek laurel]

148 HP Ursaluna is trolling

You take 1 extra Burn damage every turn compared to 140

Also, Ogerpon-C with defensive investment simply isn't it

Especially because it just OHKOs Urshifu

[spiral cosmos]

I misremembered the optimization health my fault

[sleek laurel]

Lmao happens

Looks fine otherwise, I would do Stellar Zac if ur running Sacred Sword

[spiral cosmos]

I wanted to be able to survive surging incase i needed to follow me instead of blowing it up

[spiral cosmos]

Believe me i dont like sacred is just there because im not running tground

[spiral cosmos]

I have been considering wellspring for this reason

[sleek laurel]

Honestly? Just use Swords Dance then lol

[spiral cosmos]

Fairy also has some use as a defensive tera, which is why i went for that instead of stellar

[sleek laurel]

Atp just accept that ur trading it for Urshifu

The amount of times this comes into play compared to having Offense on your Ogerpon

Is like, negligible lol

Wellspring could also work here tho

Funny because it's not too good in the meta rn but like

Fits on this team

[spiral cosmos]

Well this aint exactly a meta ream lol

[spiral cosmos]

My MU spread against other restricted pairs looks fine right? I cant think of one that stands out as particularly hard but i still wanna hear a second op

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

At least in theory

Ig like

Korai CSR

But you have lines still

Tera Water Lunala mainly

Zama is covered, Miraidon is covered

Opposing Lunala can be troublesome but you can overwhelm it

Caly-I is extremely covered

[spiral cosmos]

Caly-I has basically been an auto win MU

[sleek laurel]

The only Caly-I that KIND of gives you trouble is Tera Water + Leech Seed but that loses to Play Rough long term

Every other set = you win

[spiral cosmos]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2561926155 this was a caly-s + zama game

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2561929627

For some reason i didnt have game 3 saved but i did win it

[sleek laurel]

Lmao happens

[amber galleon]

Thxs

[amber galleon]

thx

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/e15f5b6613a49b66

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[light nebula]

i made a silly lil guy

it turns out that breloom can outspeed csr with tailwind so i ev'd for that

groudon is 1 point faster to avoid speed ties but im questioning if its even worth it he works fine but like

theres a better option for tailroom right?

ima try pagos instead

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/676e75ac11ea2c54 pagos variant

breloom is 1 point faster than pagos to avoid speed ties, both outspeed csr in tailwind

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[plain kestrel]

cuz mirai cir is so shit rn

i think seed acrobatics + hh / gleam taking rilla is strong

and having fast wisp to burn stuff is nice

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/da9c8bdf7c1e5b4c current reg i team
having trouble against calyrex-s

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blissful quarry]

ive been seeing a weird amount of hitmontop

[broken shuttle]

the simplest change is probably roaring moon>tornadus
you dont really have a ghost resist & probably still need tailwind so that's probably the most direct way to fit it

you could also try goggles incineroar over cornerstone

maybe with taunt or wisp to preserve your ice rider & amoonguss matchups

you also need max speed on your urshifu

[blissful quarry]

ill probably keep cornerstone and replace tornadus with moon

[broken shuttle]

u dont outspeed calyrex with scarf without max speed adamant

[blissful quarry]

oh shit really

i haven’t brought him against caly-s 😭

[broken shuttle]

you probably should

its really good at pinning it since u can KO it in rain thru protect

• it chunks zamazenta really hard

[blissful quarry]

ah i probably should run more calcs 😭

the zama thing is also goated

since my kyogre does not like wide guard

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/c6eb00a80fac73ed
reg f team i conjure up a bit ago , i wanted to try the chien pao and dragonite combo i been seeing alot, idk if teammates make sense tho

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/7a95f8b95c0cf64b
Yes, moths.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bronze ether]

i realised half my team is weak to fluttermane

[light nebula]

Tera grass on imoth is really really good and I would highly advise against sludge wave

I think u should switch it for heat wave but if you had sun I would also say solar beam is a good contender

Though since there is no sun I will say don't do that

Wait I'm dumb you do have sun my bad

[mint raft]

You can just pair with a steel tho right?

Feel like gholdengo next to moth sounds pretty good

Barring an opposing sun fire sweeper

[light nebula]

I haven't tried gholdengo with it since it didn't really go well on the team I'm running moth with

My team had an issue with lando-i and since I was rocking koraidon it just kinda made sense that solar beam would be a 1-turn move most of the time and it was a very easy clicking it on the big scary dirt man

[merry plover]

hows my fire water grass core looking

[spiral cosmos]

Holy LARP, choice band pelipper uses hurricane, liquidation protect and quick attack

[ripe turret]

insane core

next world champ right here

four special moves on a banded mon

[mint raft]

Bro had a vision

[light nebula]

Timid band with 3 special moves my beloved

[silk lodge]

you should give maractus choice scarf ngl ngl

to complete the choice core of doom

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/34928126e440da16
i keep getting absolutely steamrolled by trick room and im wondering if its something with my team or just a skill issue

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[blissful quarry]

against any other archetype this team holds well but specifically trick room i cannot deal with

unless its just lunala or calyrex ice with no follow me or psychic terrain but thats really just a skill issue on thier part

[ripe turret]

your plan here is just to nuke them off the planet before they can TR

I’d try leading ogre + lando

and just spout + sandsear

but it does depend a lot on the opposing team

you can also slot in amoong>cornerstone for that

and you could try hydro pump>thunder but tbh I think that’s more for cir ogre teams

[blissful quarry]

it took me way too long to realize ogre as in kyogre not ogrepon

well i guess it’s ogerpon not ogrepon

[ripe turret]

oh

yeah lmao

[blissful quarry]

full power water spout + sandsear only does like 75 to lunala 😭

idk what amoong>cornerstone would do it honestly just seems like a downgrade

oh right itd work in trick room

[ripe turret]

it's bulkier, slower, gets spore + pollen puff

[blissful quarry]

idk how willing i am to give up cornerstone

but then again ive seen THREE TRICK ROOM TEAMS IN THE PAST FOUR GAMES

i immediately get a match where cornerstone wouldve thrived. yay

actually amoonguss is already putting the work in wait

[ripe turret]

lmao

[spice spindle]

https://pokepast.es/c16d34f439eb39f5

So uh

I was making some bs

And I hope you guys can help me with this

[zinc imp]

Either torn i or pelipper as a rain setter for the team

[spice spindle]

Uh 3 water types ?

[zinc imp]

You could use torn

[lavish nexus]

i get the idea but it's really not worth it

unseen fist is already an amazing ability, and the damage boost from entrainment can be gotten from rain

and having such a predictable mon causes you allot of issues in team building

[spice spindle]

Well ×2 is better tha ×1.5

(Okay I get it
I'll never cook again😔 )

[lavish nexus]

the main issue is ursh relies on it's ability to be as oppressive as it is

we've seen this used before with kyogre since it's stacking with rain and once rain is set kyogre doesn't need it's ability

for ursh there's allot of other ways to boost damage and it wants to use it's ability, which aren't issues for kyogre

[drifting onyx]

Hey @flint moat, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[flint moat]

https://pokepast.es/705fe6b4d9a661b1

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[keen citrus]

Someone knows if Floatzel+water veil+flame orb can be used in the actual meta?

[spice spindle]

Why would you even use it ?

That is just a wasted item slot

[keen citrus]

Floatzel have water veil that cures when you're burned so i thought that flame orb can be used like a leftovers idk

[spice spindle]

Uh what ?

[keen citrus]

In my head it was a good idea srry

[spice spindle]

Flame orb don't heal

Water veil neither

1. Water Veil prevents burn so Flame orb would never activate in the first place

[keen citrus]

Flame orb burn at the end of the turn, and water veil heal when burns

[spice spindle]

2. Water Veil cures burn but dont heal any HPs

[keen citrus]

Thanks i didn't understood how water veil works

[spice spindle]

(+if Water Veil could heal, that'd be just a lesser Poison Heal and I've never seen any Gliscor in Gen 9 VGc in my life)

[spice spindle]

Your welcome

[spiral cosmos]

Araquanid is deadass better as a tr attacker

[peak sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/dce568b27439409f

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[peak sentinel]

pls help

[granite basin]

main things are change muk tera, remove soak on smearlge for something more valuable, give flamigo protect with white herb and acrobatics and give the dondozo some special defense, also drop toxic for substitute, and there's probably better explosion users then eleki. otherwise seems ok but like pretty much guaranteed to be volatile due to the nature of it being very gimmicky and luck/match up fishy

[flint moat]

I want to play hard TR, is my team good?
https://pokepast.es/e5397fa81aded568

[umbral roost]

what the fuck am I looking at

is this troll

[merry plover]

You right mb

[merry plover]

Shi yeah you right

[merry plover]

Wym

[umbral roost]

pelipper gets fucking shock wave?

[merry plover]

Yea bro

I need coverage for dark types

[umbral roost]

it’s joevs

[bronze ether]

Bro 💔

[keen citrus]

Srry my english is bad 💔

[mint raft]

Why not eforce

On indeed we

Indeedee*

[ripe turret]

female doesn’t get it

only the male version does

[mint raft]

oh

[wide stone]

can anyone here rate my team? (i change it alot and it definitely isnt finished!)
Zoroark-Hisui (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Illusion
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hyper Voice
• Nasty Plot
• Shadow Ball
• Icy Wind

Necrozma-Dusk-Mane @ Assault Vest
Ability: Prism Armor
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Brave Nature

• Knock Off
• Sunsteel Strike
• Earthquake
• Psychic Fangs

Basculegion @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Adaptability
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature

• Wave Crash
• Last Respects
• Aqua Jet
• Outrage

Whimsicott (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Protect
• Dazzling Gleam

Terapagos @ Choice Specs
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Bug Buzz
• Tera Starstorm
• Ice Beam
• Flamethrower

Annihilape @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Rest
• Bulk Up
• Rage Fist
• Drain Punch

i changed it again

[zinc imp]

use pokepaste

[silk lodge]

I dont think nasty plot zoroark is fast enough for anything in reg I i assume

personally I'd run it more like a frail support for icy wind and will o wisp
but then again im not really good so eh

[sleek laurel]

I'm gonna try and clean some rates up if still needed by the next few hours

University has me unprecedentedly busy 😭

[sleek laurel]

Unfortunately this team isn't viable in VGC, at least not for the current or any previously existing metas; the only good Pokémon here for Regulation I is Whimsicott and not with this set

I'd recommend checking out the samples tab and taking a team you seem to like, try out the metagame and learn for yourself, then try to build your own team

If you need any further help, picking a team or understanding something, feel free to ping!

[drifting onyx]

VGC 2025 Regulation I (Gen 9)

• Pokémon Showdown! Room
• Discord
• VGCPastes Repository
• Role Compendium
• Sample Teams
• Viability Rankings
• Metagame Discussion Thread

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[wide stone]

@sleek laurel is this good? https://pokepast.es/6fd40300a777d8b0

used some pokemon on the ranking here and smogon movesets and changed some a tad

to my preferance

[lavish nexus]

boots are pretty useless in vgc because you basically never see hazards, this looks much more like a singles set, normally you'd run leftovers, calm mind, and protect

you're running sash EVs on chien but use life orb? just use sash

you don't benefit at all from tr on whims, if the idea is to revert tr then that doesn't even work because it's still -6 priority and it can be one shot really easily

[lavish nexus]

this is a DOU team, wrong channel

[wide stone]

i did do the terapagos one on my own tbh

[flint moat]

It is my reg f team, whats wrong?

[lavish nexus]

you're using level 100 sets, that's DOU

[flint moat]

so https://pokepast.es/ab138aeeb95fc330

now ok?

[ripe turret]

go banded darkfu over amoonguss, farig/smeargle over cress, and hatt over armarouge

you also want a torkoal somewhere here

over ursa is my suggestion

and then go clam hands with cc>drain punch and protect>heavy slam (although heavy slam is keepable)

[plain kestrel]

Is your goal hard tr or ursaluna tr

[ripe turret]

you’re also wasting a few EVs on your mons

[plain kestrel]

Cuz if you’re ursa tr do icy wind cress drop the psyspam mode for flutter and urshifu and put ogerpon and in in

[ripe turret]

it’s hard TR

[plain kestrel]

For hard tr do what rain says

[ripe turret]

they said above

[plain kestrel]

It’s kinda elements of both

[ripe turret]

yeah tbh it looks like HTR without understanding the playstyle of HTR

[plain kestrel]

It does

It has the cres luna with hard tr stuff

They should take out cress Luna for smeargle farig or chi yu flutter mane

And put a torkoal and hat indeedee

And if it’s ursaluna they want they have options they can do ursh bolt Gus incin ursa cres/p2 or as I said before

[ripe turret]

^

[plain kestrel]

Ogerpon cres luna flutter darkfu incin

Is also solid

I like ursh bolt Gus on ursa cres/p2

Cuz you have all 3 main staple pieces bolt beats ursh ursh beats ursa ursa beats bolt

But you have all 3 and an amoonguss which is good into all 3 of them so you can beat all of them

[rain night]

Hi

Could someone please recommend a semi-stall or stall Mega Manectric team without legendaries?

[plain kestrel]

Uh not in vgc lol

[rain night]

Excuse me, where could I ask?

I'm Brazilian, it's difficult to understand when it's not the full name.

[plain kestrel]

No problem I think comp general

[rain night]

Ty

[plain kestrel]

Yes sir

[flint moat]

If i drop Iron hands for torkoal, does this makes my team better

[ripe turret]

a little bit

but that still doesn’t fix the main problem of the team

the whole point of HTR is to blow your opponents up under TR

if you’re spending turns clicking spore or lunar blessing or protect, you’re not doing that

[flint moat]

Just drop amoongus?

[ripe turret]

just follow what I said further up in the channel

[flint moat]

I know, but how to use ursaluna without creselia?

[ripe turret]

oh I said just drop it for torkoal

because to be completely honest

the turn that you have to spend waiting for burn to get online is usually a wasted turn

and other mons have more immediate offense that need to be respected a lot more

[flint moat]

And what i can do vs regidrago without armoruge?

[ripe turret]

just lead hatterene

along with something

you can also tech wide guard on smeargle

but I’d just recommend leading hatt+indeedee

[bleak grove]

https://pokepast.es/ffb3465207394631

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sonic tulip]

https://pokepast.es/bbe46af4f6578280 for VGS (I'm pretty sure this is the correct category) the main lead is Kilowattel and Iron Bundle

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[zinc imp]

Why regice

Also spA booster flutter maybe something

[zinc imp]

This is vgc not singles

◇

[acoustic scroll]

oh im so sorry

my bad

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/ed4202c9cc5855d1 funny backstory of this team: i posted this in the vgc chat on showdown, got some tips, and tried to make it better (I failed) and the next day I randomly fight someone who took that team and is now using it themselves

the gameplan with this team is that you lead with a fake out user and an attacker, you then fake out and set up or just attack. shiftry then lets you set up tailwind and since it has chlorophyll and this is a sun team it gets to move first to set it uop most times. ogerpon isnt really doing anything here though, trying to replace him

[past magnet]

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Brave Nature

• Earthquake
• Headlong Rush
• Protect
• Facade

Torkoal @ Leftovers
Ability: Drought
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 8 SpA / 96 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Eruption
• Yawn
• Protect
• Earth Power

Incineroar @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Protect
• Parting Shot

Hydrapple @ Assault Vest
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Fickle Beam
• Giga Drain
• Pollen Puff
• Earth Power

Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 68 SpA / 156 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Expanding Force
• Protect
• Dazzling Gleam

Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Calm Mind
• Dazzling Gleam
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

Is this good for Reg F yall

[ripe turret]

go torn>lando and scarf urshifu>ape, also your cir set is weird, run clam>boots and protect>sd

you’re also wasting 4 EV points on cir

[ripe turret]

not exactly sure what the goal of this team is? you have a ton of fast mons but outside of that I’m not really seeing the strategy here

[sonic tulip]

My idea is open with Iron Bundle and Kilowattel, tailwind/icy wind then electro ball/icy wind. Iron Bundle outspeeds and hits first which strengthens Electro ball

[bleak grove]

Care to explain why? I don't see how either of those would fit with the strat

[ripe turret]

cir ogre needs a fast mode which tornshifu provides, they both synergize with kyogre’s rain and give you a fwg core with incin/rilla

[ripe turret]

I mean it’s an interesting strategy

but I think it’s just far too gimmicky

where you’re building around a single move

bundle & kilo are far too frail

they also have pretty bad attacking stats

generally speaking when you’re teambuilding you don’t want to build around a stat or move (eg. speed) but rather a strategy like rain, tailwind, or TR

[ripe turret]

double sun cannot be a real pairing

shiftry is like fringe usable technically

[sonic tulip]

I'm trying to run a fast team. I tried to build a general tailwind team for when iron bundle/killoeatterl isn't viable but that's where I'm getting stumped. I'd say I'm winning about half my game

[ripe turret]

but you’re too reliant on sun for this team without having a reliable way to reset it

well being fast is good, but you also need to make sure that you can do something with the speed

which is either hitting hard or being disruptive

which kilo/bundle don’t do a great job at

like sure, you’re faster than your opponents, but what are you doing with that speed?

if you want to make a tailwind-centric team there’s iron crown psyspam

[sonic tulip]

I like the tailwind electroball combo so you think there's any Pokemon that could make that work?

[ripe turret]

short answer, no

there’s a reason why electro ball isn’t seen at all in competitive play

it relies on far too many variables to actually work

if you just want to play a team for fun then definitely you could do something with it

but competitively speaking it’s not going to get you very far in a tournament or anything

if you like the concept of tailwind you could go along the lines of iron crown psyspam which is a team that has a lot of results

[sonic tulip]

I'll take note of that

How do you feel about the other Pokemon on the team? Would some of them work on another strategy?

[ripe turret]

incin+flutter you could definitely use on other teams

eleki and bundle have fringe viability, as well as regice to an extent

kilo is unfortunately pretty outstatted

[sonic tulip]

I meant more the moves sets/tera types. Thats the main bit I was struggling with

[ripe turret]

oh

definitely go flare blitz>fire fang on incin

you also probably want parting shot>u-turn

but you can run u-turn since it breaks sash/sturdy and isn’t stopped by taunt

cm flutter is technically usable but I wouldn’t recommend it

as for your other mons they’re not really usable with the sets that you have

[sonic tulip]

I went with fire fang over flare blitz because I wanted to give incin a bit more longevity and I'm not a fan of recoil moves. What builds would you recommend for iron bundle

[ripe turret]

for bundle the usual set is as a disruptive speed control mon

booster with freeze dry icy wind encore and protect

as for incin the problem is that without flare blitz it just cannot do damage

its attack stat is on the lower side and usually not invested in

it’s susceptible to opposing intimidate

and so it relies on the high base power of flare blitz to hit hard

[sonic tulip]

Would a flare blitz incinaror and that iron bundle work well in a tailwind team?

[compact root]

https://pokepast.es/9edccfced20854d4

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

well it depends on the team

but incin probably

bundle usually isn’t used on tailwind teams

because it already acts as a form of speed control by itself

[slim citrus]

https://pokepast.es/8df066064ca0d0c3 any tips on my reg f B-team?

the roles are decided but I dont know if these are the best options for the roles

[ripe turret]

peak bait

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/9594b6395b624d7b
Yes

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[tired swift]

https://pokepast.es/8bf904240e46b161

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

“jarvis, make a team that instantly loses to koraidon”

LMAO

also btw if you’re using scizor dual wingbeat is just better than aerial ace

[zinc imp]

Hm aight

[zinc imp]

Most koraidons i met were pressed

Also i scrapped the scizor

[violet dune]

https://pokepast.es/9c8b85a52b92dc98
How to actually use this team can anyone explain me pls ? I am new to VGC so starting out on showdown, any advice will be appreciated

[zinc imp]

amoonguss to support calyrex for it to set tr up

kyogre and ursh are often paired together to let ursh dish out huge dmg

rillaboom for fake out support and flutter to make ursh outspeed stuff when rain is up

[violet dune]

and which pokemon combo should I use against meta pokemons like koraidon

[violet dune]

Aight so ursh gets advantage in rain ?

[zinc imp]

kyogre with smth else idk
cause its naturally slower so it overrides korai's sun

or just lead flutter into korai

cause proto boost in sun

[violet dune]

I see thanks man I'll try this let's see how it goes

[zinc imp]

surging strikes gets boosted in rain

[violet dune]

I see

[zinc imp]

let me try that out for a bit and see

[violet dune]

Sure Thanks dude

[zinc imp]

also ask the people who know more than me for additional stuff

[violet dune]

Yeah but the server is pretty much dead

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/8bdd48334d37af70 now now i know its terrible but i just want some tips on how to synergize falinks you can take away all other pokemon just keep falinks. Thank you

[ripe turret]

I believe falinks gets cc, use that over brick break

[sand minnow]

Ots so that simple doesnt effect it

[ripe turret]

tbh

I don’t think simple is a good idea

because you get hella weak from intimidate

[sand minnow]

Aight

[ripe turret]

like if I had to use falinks

it just feels too gimmicky

[ripe turret]

on a separate note falinks is a clam mon, I don’t think you can afford to run any other item because once you use no retreat you become super vulnerable to attack drops

and since you can’t switch out to reset the drops you just end up being kinda useless

[sand minnow]

What do you mean clam mon?

[ripe turret]

like it needs clear amulet

as the item

[sand minnow]

It has defiant

[ripe turret]

it does indeed

ignore me

[sand minnow]

Its okay

I have seen some play with shed shell

[ripe turret]

this is why I stay away from helping with niche teams lmao

anyways yeah it looks fine

[sand minnow]

Thanks

Ill improve it

[ripe turret]

I think the latios is getting a little too gimmicky but if it works ig

[sand minnow]

Simple was a bad idea

The thought was that id only simple beam if enemy had no intimidate users in play

Otherwise id keep defiant

[random harbor]

https://pokepast.es/55838181bf8e1720
I might he planning a bit early but all of these mons (other than skeliderge technically) are confirmed for champions

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

Yea it's definitely a little early, not just because the game isn't out but because we don't know what the meta looks like

Even if the game was coming out today, this channel would likely be closed because we can't rate based on only theoretical guesses about the meta

We need to actually know for a fact what's currently working or not before being able to give proper advice

Can't help with Champions yet, my bad

[random harbor]

Aw

That's alright

[sleek laurel]

Thanks for understanding

[random harbor]

In fairness to you the game isn't even out yet so I was kind of reaching too close to the sun

[main pecan]

Guys this is my first time making a vgc team I love annihaoe and maushold this is why I made this team

https://pokepast.es/6b6aee9e76d1baef

lmk what I should change

I don’t ever use nine tails

idek why she’s there

[distant trellis]

Now that I'm here I might as well

Ninetales is incredibly anti synergestic with koraidon and also isn't great in reg I, this feels like half a reg I team and half a reg h team

[main pecan]

oh yeah 2 effects can’t happen

weather

I kinda threw in nine tails as a last

[distant trellis]

Mausape is a viable wincon but it's not seen in the double restricted format mostly because of opportunity cost, you're team is mostly gonna revolve around your two big restricted mons who have overwhelming damage potential or incredible utility and bulk. Rather than the two mon duo of maushold annihilape who would need support in thr first place and are kinda blown out of the water by the immediate offence of reg I

When so many restricted mons threaten to one shot annihilape before maushold can even move such as calyrex shadow rider, miraidon, koraidon and the less common zacian, it definitely becomes difficult to justify

The sets are also a bit awkward to me

Choice scarf csr is a tad redundant

You're faster than pretty much everything relevant

[zinc imp]

Choiced rider forms are kind of bad id say

[distant trellis]

Specs is usable

Like not unheard of

[main pecan]

I’m running the wrong specs that’s why

[distant trellis]

That's sometimes seen with Zamazenta or even mirai

[main pecan]

Ok let me comment on what u said

[main pecan]

What’s restricted Pokémon ? Like legends and those strong Pokémon ?

[distant trellis]

Correct

[main pecan]

Ik this strat won’t work every time which kinda sucks

However

If give maushold focus sash

And protect annihape

Wouldnt it work 80% of the time?

Unless they do 2 spread moves or soothing

Maybe my mayshold can outspeed someone

[zinc imp]

What if annihilape just gets koed

By another csr

[distant trellis]

^

[main pecan]

oh yeah o can’t run protect and

[distant trellis]

Annihilape is the threat

Not maushold

I'd honestly just not use mausape if I'm being honest

You missed the bus on that one

They were incredibly potent in regulation h

[main pecan]

yeah I just wanna use this strat cuz I like the mons

[distant trellis]

But in I they're way out of their league

[main pecan]

What other format are they viable in

[zinc imp]

Prob the lower power format that is running rn
Reg f

[main pecan]

What’s in reg F

[distant trellis]

It's not even great there

[zinc imp]

No restricteds

Thats all

[distant trellis]

Mausape were good in reg A and B but fell off with the power level

Reg f everything is legal except for the restricted legendaries

[main pecan]

Isn’t that like the opposite of what I want

[zinc imp]

Better in reg H ngl

[main pecan]

I want a format that legends are banned

[distant trellis]

Yeah h they were great

[main pecan]

Like the strong ones

Miridonkiridon

Calyrex

Especially Calryex

[distant trellis]

Yeah that's reg f

They're not legal there

[main pecan]

Is it still a thing ?

Damnnnn

[distant trellis]

Well it's about to end so

And even then mausape aren't great

[zinc imp]

For cal shadow just
Get a dark type
Cal ice
Steel beam dialga o tru-

[distant trellis]

Reg h was the format for you pal icl

Annihilape was a top threat

[main pecan]

yes but I just got into Pokémon comp

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/b75f695ad117b57c
A team full of physical attackers that may instantly lose to koraidon

[main pecan]

For what purpose

[distant trellis]

Do not

Run bastiodon

😭

[zinc imp]

It made day 2 at a regional so

[distant trellis]

Well yes

So did lugia

And that guy is bunssss

[zinc imp]

If he worked once, he would work again

[distant trellis]

Realistically if you're using koraidon csr

[main pecan]

guys idk what team to make

[distant trellis]

I'd run a variant of James Evans' runner up team at worlds

[distant trellis]

Steal one

[zinc imp]

Or i could just give zama wide guard

[distant trellis]

When you're starting out I highly reccomend just

Using an established team

[main pecan]

I don’t wanna use koridoon mirion calyrex that’s like 80% of teams

[main pecan]

I. Used a dondozo matsuri team

[distant trellis]

Probably!

[zinc imp]

Dozogiri fell off bru

[distant trellis]

Dozogiri is fine

It's ran with like

[main pecan]

But it was like this

[distant trellis]

The koraidon csr gweezing comps

[zinc imp]

Haze and incin exists

[distant trellis]

Haze is kinda specific

Few mons actively run it

It's moreso dozogiri has to deal with a whole ass miraidon

[distant trellis]

That's double res for you!

You could use uhhh

Zacian kyogre

Swordfish

Terapagos csr

[main pecan]

That’s why I want a format where legends are banned

[distant trellis]

Groudon cir

[main pecan]

Cuz then you see real creative teams

[distant trellis]

Then I'd wait until champions

👍

[main pecan]

holy is it that bad?

[zinc imp]

Mega kang

[main pecan]

Why doesn’t showdown make a format where legends are banned

[zinc imp]

Exists as both not a restricted and a legend

[distant trellis]

No it's because the format is regulation I until scarlet and violet ends

With pokemon champions we'll have a new format

There are non restricted formats, plenty of them, but they don't have a ladder atm because they're not the current format in vgc

[main pecan]

So will these legends be banned

[zinc imp]

Yes

[distant trellis]

Presumably yes

Atm the list of confirmed mons for pokemon champions doesn't even have a legendary let alone a restricted one

And the first format of a new game is always the lowest in terms of power level

Which leaves it pretty wide open

Like regulation A meowscarada was a top tier

If not the best mon outright

[main pecan]

because imo legends kill creativity for making new teams and such

I really wanna see new teams with these megas

Only 4 of these megas abilities were revealed and they already opened up so much possibilities

[split reef]

I think your just wrong

Imo

Have you played reg H? There was some creativity but you normally just spammed the same mons

The meta revolves around mons yes but arch, ape etc were equal to flutter now

Not all legends are created equal either

Besides raging bolt and friends can be so fun to use

[main pecan]

Sorry

I should’ve

Specified

By legends

I mean the so op for no reason legends

[split reef]

True truw

[main pecan]

Koridon miridipn

Claryex

[split reef]

The restricteds?

[main pecan]

Yes

Is that what they’re called

[split reef]

So just reg F you like basically

I like the restricts rn i think they are more "balanced" then ever

[main pecan]

really this is balanced ?

[split reef]

Like ho oh made top 16 in a regional

[split reef]

The mons themselves no

But the pool of useable ones

Like mirai gets a 200 bp electric move if super effective

Mira is op af. But every mon has little counters you gotta exploit imo

Thats how i hit top 500 on the reg J ladder

[neat turtle]

https://pokepast.es/68f1ad53d3fc25de how does this look for champions

[split reef]

I had to literally hard counter the meta

[zinc imp]

Yes

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/fb230f7d00dae40a

any advice

[ripe turret]

I'm ngl reg j ladder was the most unserious thing ever

idk if there was a single good player on that ladder lmao

[split reef]

I had to fucking counter team so hard

[ripe turret]

also why is discord marking you as a spammer

LMAO

it's hiding all of your messages

[split reef]

Dmed to many people

[ripe turret]

ah

[gentle jewel]

Meganium-Mega @ Meganiumite
Ability: Mega Sol
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Solar Beam
• Weather Ball
• Protect
• Synthesis

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hurricane
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Weather Ball

Basculegion (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Flip Turn
• Wave Crash
• Last Respects

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Body Press
• Electro Shot
• Flash Cannon
• Draco Meteor

Sneasler
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Dire Claw
• Fake Out
• Close Combat
• Throat Chop

Rotom-Wash
Ability: Levitate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 16 SpA / 120 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Parting Shot
• Will-O-Wisp
• Hydro Pump
• Thunderbolt

[distant trellis]

We can't rate for a format we don't know yet

[tight pecan]

Is this good? It’s for Legends ZA. Honestly prob not because it’s just my favorite pokemon but maybe it is?

[zinc imp]

za is a singles format

not vgc which is doubles

[tight pecan]

Ah

Ok

I genuinely did not know

Ty!

[tight pecan]

Wait which one is singles

[zinc imp]

za is a pet mod which
has no rating place

[tight pecan]

Oh

Ok then

[vagrant orchid]

Extremely gimmicky team but I have had success with it
https://pokepast.es/2ab21f0ab86ae95d

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[vagrant orchid]

Would tera ice be a good tera for ting Lu ?

[tired swift]

Forest's curse team: https://pokepast.es/2b1cc5f038b1bb83

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[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/fb230f7d00dae40a

any adivce

[tired swift]

I can tell you like gambling

[jovial creek]

can you make trevenant slower than torkoal in tr?

then you could forest curse->eruption

I would add hhp over tera blast and trick room over throat chop on calyrex

[tired swift]

I'd probably have to run room service + nat cure rest

[jovial creek]

I'd recommend not mixing terrains, having rilla and indeedee will make it hard to position or you'll end up with a lack of flexiblity in the sets you run

[drifting onyx]

Trevenant (Gen 9)

Typing

Ghost / Grass

Abilities

0: Natural Cure | 1: Frisk | H: Harvest

Base Stats (BST: 474)

85 / 110 / 76 / 65 / 82 / 56

Weight

71 kg (80 BP)

Gender Rate

50% Female

[jovial creek]

oh thats fairly fast

yeah keep torkoal min speed

[sturdy pecan]

ok ty

[tired swift]

Only reason I ran tera blast was to hit opposing calyrex

[jovial creek]

ok I think ursh could be tera water, you could make incin av, and then run flutter over rilla maybe?

that gives you a nice fast mode with koraidon

another thing I notice is that you have urshifu and sun, whats the idea there?

[jovial creek]

you have torkoal, thats basically a third restricted on hard tr

[tired swift]

fair enough

[jovial creek]

maybe go healing wish indeedee over heal pulse

to pivot it in for free

[tired swift]

Probably

I neevr really clicked heal pulse anyway

[winged grove]

Is this good?

[hot glade]

thoughts on this mono bug vgc teamhttps://pokepast.es/7a2775cf5468dcc8

made for bug month but forgot to show it

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/28a63649b8c280b5

First ever team, new to VGC

[zinc imp]

Why sitrus on gholdengo

[desert kayak]

didn’t think of any better item, maybe a choice item but i already run band on my espeed nite

but does the main core + supports work

/could it with some modfication

or maybe parting shot instead of uturn in inceniroar

and a grass tera for ince

[magic jetty]

https://pokepast.es/8d0544dfa1155312

Made a team for champions first ruleset (M-A) due to not knowing how the restricted pokemon will go I just made one without

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[desert kayak]

are screens good with espeed dragonite? also i have a feeling that gholdengo doesnt synergize well

[jovial creek]

I think its a bit too early to build teams for champions and then send them here, I have no idea what pokemon will be available so its hard to give you the best advice

[magic jetty]

Alright, thanks for the heads up

[jovial creek]

I think if you change rotom wash this could be very good

a swords dance ogerpon wellspring looks good there

and then you could make chien pao icy wind over sacred sword and icicle crash over psychic fangs

spirit break over taunt on grimm

[desert kayak]

thanks, ill send the updated version w moves i added and changed in a bit, idk what to add instead of rotom wash but it has been playing out well for me, I feel like I underuse gholdengo

[desert kayak]

https://pokepast.es/fa20cd998744bfae

[desert kayak]

only things im not set on are if gholdengo should have tera normal, since it holds a sitrus, if dragonite should have outrage for 1v1 endgames or something else, and chien pao moveset (psychic fangs have actually been working really well for me)

[ripe turret]

pao needs sucker, psyfangs is its most droppable move out of the three

rotom wash is honestly just outstatted in this day and age

dnite definitely should have outrage since it ohkos a lot that you wouldn’t otherwise (like incineroar with sword of ruin)

make gholdengo tera water (though steel is honestly also fine since you lose a lot of damage from not holding a boosting item)

[desert kayak]

ive been doing fine without sucker, ice spinner can one shot a flutter mane and psychic fangs catches a lot of people offguard so ill try running it for now

[desert kayak]

what should I add?

ive been doing very well with it and i havent felt it being outdated so i dont really know what to change it for

[ripe turret]

probably wellspring

like bigfoot said

[desert kayak]

I think my teambuilding is done for now thanks guys

I adjusted some moves and such

Ill keep the rotom cuz he actually does well against gholdengo and a few popular pics and pairs well with my attackers

thank you all for the help

[quiet jasper]

https://pokepast.es/65559339f18939ae idk i feel like its mid but i dont know what other pkmn would be better

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[sleek laurel]

We're not yet working with Champions rates

[quiet jasper]

shoot mb

[sleek laurel]

Dw about it

Happens a lot lol

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/25307fad8cb82206 REG f team
i might be an insane man. but i love slowking, i wanted to make a balance team with alot of swapping and stuff with slowking so i figured using chilly reception would be cool to counter torkoals trying to set up sunny day + eruption to cancel out some of the damage and also other weather dependant teams.
uhh ogerpon evs are not really decided yet, i might give it a bit more bulk but i like how 156+ ogerpon outspeeds urshifus, i think i want more bulk but ill have to calc some more matchups. the same goes with grimmsnarl and slowking he feels a bit lacking in damage and i havent properly calced them yet and theyre js placeholders for now.
i kinda wanna keep slowking and dragapult but grimmsnarl is probably replaceable here, i js put him in to reduce some of the damage IF im going to be constantly switching around.
i just want to know if i could improve anywhere or any weaknesses they see or if anyone has some ev's i could use for my ogerpon and grimm would be great, i just want opinions on if im going in the right direction or nah.

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[velvet zinc]

https://pokepast.es/84779ffbb9cf21cb
team i wanna try out when champions releases. i have no vgc experience whatsoever

[zinc imp]

Uh.
The raters here dont rate champions teams until it comes out

[velvet zinc]

my bad, i meant to say in terms of reg H.

it was just something i wanted to have as a baseline

though ig mega dragonite isnt legal so ill have to change it to regular multiscale dnite