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[ripe turret]

also having 1 speed IV and 4 speed EVs on ursa just seems odd

because you want to be as slow as possible

I'd actually say replace ursaluna with CB urshifu-dark as well

because flame orb takes a turn to get online and urshifu-dark hits through protect which helps a lot with protect stalling

[narrow dock]

What about this one https://pokepast.es/0ff220c5fdc970c4

[spiral cosmos]

Urshifu dark is fine here, id actually reccomend smeargle here with decorate

[ripe turret]

yeah I meant replace ursaluna with urshifu-dark

although tbh I could've worded it better lol

[ripe turret]

looks mostly fine other than a couple of set things

run protect>hh on farig, replace ghold with incin (you don't really need it here tbh), go with dpulse>draco on bolt (since you're running cm lefties the drops matter a lot more), and make pao 4 def instead of 4 spdef

and also your EVs in general could be optimized

[fringe storm]

https://pokepast.es/751efb47f6251fd6

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[fringe storm]

reg f

idk what im doing with nite lmao

[wanton abyss]

If you’re going max/max on urshifu, it would be wiser to run life orb to pick up kills

otherwise, put some bulk on that thang

[fringe storm]

kay

[uneven coyote]

https://pokepast.es/641a59db17568c15
I’ve been playing for like 3 months now, heres my first attempt at a balance team

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[plain kestrel]

You need better spreads though

If you’re running 4 moves on flutter mane you need to be bulky

To be able to live things

I’d drop shadow ball or dazzling gleam for taunt

[uneven coyote]

Yeah I’m not very good on EV spreads, I plan to do them with a friend

[plain kestrel]

And go 236 hp 236 def bold nature

[uneven coyote]

I was considering protect over dazzling gleam or icy wind

[plain kestrel]

Run protect

[uneven coyote]

Fs

[plain kestrel]

Drop gleam

Icy wind has more utility

[uneven coyote]

Then I don’t get spread damage tho

What about moonblast

[plain kestrel]

You have no chi yu to take advantage of gleam damage

[uneven coyote]

True

I was gonna do chi yu but I have incineroar

Is it worth replacing?

[plain kestrel]

Mmm no

[uneven coyote]

I didn’t think so

tbh

Ty :)

[plain kestrel]

Drop snarl for protect on bolt

[uneven coyote]

Yeah it was AV before I have leftovers

You’re right

[plain kestrel]

Drop taunt for flare blitz imo

[uneven coyote]

Really? I have it to hard wall amoonguss

[plain kestrel]

Gives you fwg coverage with it

[uneven coyote]

Especially amoonguss in psychic terrain

[plain kestrel]

You have safety goggles, rilla and taunt torn already

[uneven coyote]

True

I’m very scared of the mushroom

But yeah ok

[plain kestrel]

Rilla gives you terrain change and immunity to spore anyway

Just practice

You have enough Gus respect

[uneven coyote]

Awesome, Ty :)

Here’s my current spread then

https://pokepast.es/af092935664a1f48

Any other advice?

It’s my first time using mane and bolt btw

And my second with incin

[plain kestrel]

Ya I’ll give you spreads when I have time

[uneven coyote]

I’d really appreciate that :)

I’m terrible at EV spreads

I added you

[plain kestrel]

Go Tera fire incin

Ok I’ll help u out

[uneven coyote]

Kk

[plain kestrel]

212 hp 204 def 4 defense and the rest in speed and spatk on Torn with Tera steel is what I use

You want knock off too imo

It’s nice

You don’t need double taunt

Can always play taunt flutter

With 4 moves

Taunt icy wind moon blast +1

[ocean estuary]

https://pokepast.es/c2761a7550ac6093 Been working on this team for awhile, the goal is hyper offense and priority. I like how the team works but I am losing most of the games I bring Rilla or Ogerpon to. Is there any Pokemon I can switch in to improve this team? I was thinking maybe Clefairy for Pon, or maybe Maushold and go full support with follow me, friend guard and healing but I was worried about it slowing down the team. Rilla has also been a question mark for me. Using primarily as an all out attacker (because AV is on Entei) and for the terrain to deny opposing Indeedee but can I fulfill this role a different way? Or should this work and am I just playing this team wrong? Thank you for any advice!

[plain kestrel]

So you can do protect or like perish song or something if you wanted to

[plain kestrel]

What do you struggle into

[uneven coyote]

I do dark Tera so i can Tera against prankster taunt users and taunt them without speed EVs

[plain kestrel]

I think you could drop entei for gouging and put the av back on rilla

[plain kestrel]

Tera dark is fraud

Especially when you have two taunts

An icy wind flutter

[uneven coyote]

It feels worth it

[ocean estuary]

I mostly struggle into hard TR, especially P2, I can never get that thing off the board. So maybe a taunt/encore support would be helpful but again, I'm worried about slowing down my team

[plain kestrel]

I think you have a decent team to play into it

Lots of priority means you can just still move first unless they have faith

Farig

Drop sucker for throat chop

On pao

And then just practice

Use ur priority and rilla into psyspam

[ocean estuary]

Yeah, I was running throat chop for a while but I figured I needed to lean into the priority/all out attack more especially because of how frail CP is. Would that help against P2? What would be the best way to go after hard TR like that?

[plain kestrel]

Hit it

Use ur priority moves

Throat chop + cc the p2

Same with ursa

You pin the ursa aswell

Just practice into that you should just kill p2 directly with that pin

Farigiraf you need to throat chop + ally move and take it

Indeedee you play rilla in the back

To switch terrain

Bring entei into psyspam

And I’d argue snarl over trailblaze to snarl down the special attackers like farig, p2, iron crown post Tera, flutter chi yu, etc

Cuz you bring entei already into those matchups

Imo

Your team is fine maybe add small techs like snarl if you feel like it just find your lines and practice !!

I don’t think trailblaze is the best idea but if you like it in grassy terrain play it!!

[ocean estuary]

That’s fair! Lol

Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I just always feel like I can’t KO that thing but you’re right, I have the tools, just have to be confident and practice. Thank you!

[plain kestrel]

Cc will do 99% surging is better tho in case they tear

Tera

If they’re tera ghost surging plus throat chop takes

Pre Tera it takes too

Just hit that mf and take it out

And then Ursa right after

Surging that hoe or cc it if they’re Tera normal

They can’t protect in front of the ursh

Pao ursh has lots of value into p2 ursaluna for you

Rilla ogerpon too

After the p2 is down you have big water grass ice and fighting moves into ursaluna

You have a positive matchup into it

If they change their lead to like torn ursa just Tera and hit the ursh with surging and hit icicle crash into the torn

Ez

You’re up two then play passive stall out tailwind and win

Or just bring priority and ignore tailwind

You probably just lead pao ursh into the whole archetype

Ogerpon wellspring doesn’t like cc + icicle crashes either

So you have that option if they were to switch up and bring oger torn

Oger p2 is tough but you still do cc + icicle crash into the p2 instead

If they redirect you take oger, they set up tr bring in ursa, you attack again in tr with pao ursh

Take trades

Bring rilla

Priority move the ursaluna

Win

Or you can play passively with rilla, fake out things with it to stall out tr and bring out a fast 4th Mon once it’s done and aggressive plays again

If the p2 is alive after the first round of tr hit it or it’ll recover/set up tr again

If you want swap entei for incin

Incin is valuable into p2 ursaluna because safety goggles stops Gus, fake out pisses off p2, and intimidate lowers ursas output and then you can cycle out for free on that ursa

Bring in rilla after and fake out again!

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/4309ba45555bbafe

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[spiral cosmos]

Generally confident in the team, even with the generally weird evs on some mons

[sleek laurel]

Ursaluna EV spread looks weird

Yeah LMAO

But the 6 look fine

[spiral cosmos]

Its to survive chien pao icicle crash

Let me get the actual calc

[sleek laurel]

Actually no

It’s objectively weird because it’s got 500 EVs

Not 508

[spiral cosmos]

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Icicle Crash vs. 140 HP / 108 Def Ursaluna: 174-206 (78 - 92.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after burn damage

[spiral cosmos]

Pretend theres another 4 in its spdef LOL

I didnt even notice that

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

Yeah fair

Looks fine, make sure Incin doesn’t feel too frail tho

Pao is also a noticeable threat without Incin in play

So I honestly respect the techs for it

[spiral cosmos]

Urshifu was also specifically evd to survive tachyon cutter from crown

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna ask

Yeah the EVs are funky and something gives me weird vibes about them but if they work they work

[spiral cosmos]

252+ SpA Quark Drive Iron Crown Tachyon Cutter (2 hits) vs. 0 HP / 124 SpD Urshifu-Single Strike: 146-174 (83.4 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sleek laurel]

Moves and mons look nice

Esp considering that like

I really like this Sinistcha Ursaluna thing in a vacuum

This is the kind of unique cook that’s actually really got potential

I just feel a bit for the Chien-Pao matchup but

With Incin and Ursh you should make it

Don’t be afraid to Tera something if you have to tho

[spiral cosmos]

Yeah makes sense

[spiral cosmos]

Origiginally it started with incin, bolt and sini, ursa and urshi just got added because of super good synergy and fitting into my playstyle

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

Makes sense actually, Ursaluna Sinistcha genuinely go so well together

[spiral cosmos]

I noticed that

Sini just makes things last for a really long time

Its also fine with eating an EQ in the rare times i use it

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[spiral cosmos]

Jolly incin has also lowk become a favorite of mine, its just felt really good to be super confident in being able to beat other incin to the fakeout

[sleek laurel]

Jolly incin lowk a pain to face off against

It beats out Rillaboom more often than not too

[sand minnow]

Hey guys... I'm new to VGC, and the meta keeps shifting whenever I try to get into it ><

I wanted to try Dondozo-Tatsugiri & Armarouge-Hatterene team... But idk if they're even viable anymore haha..

Is there a way I could know what're the current meta teams and mons around rn?

[humble lichen]

are you playing cart or on ps

ps has various regulations you can play

[sand minnow]

I'm so bad at it that I don't even know about these terms (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

[humble lichen]

are you using your Switch (2) to play the game or are you playing on a website

[sand minnow]

Ohhh.. I use the Pokemon Showdown website to play matches online

[humble lichen]

yeah then you can sit in a single reg

I haven't touched that site in a while so I can't recommend you a regulation

regulation F has a lower power level but still has the flutter bitch and other gen 9 bullshit

[sand minnow]

I wanna keep in touch with the latest regulations (they keep on changing, before I get the hang of the previous one) but I'm looking forward to participate in atleast a single tournament in the latest reg

[humble lichen]

I don't know the latest reg I haven't touched comp in a bit

[sand minnow]

Idk, it's where 2 legendaries are allowed (I guess)

Fluttermane was already scary enough but there are so many gods fighting each other in the tournaments ;-;
Especially Lunala, Xerneas, Groudon, Kyogre teams-

Wait... Was it Regulation H?
I just checked it online, I guess Reg F bans Box Legendaries?
I'm so lost (⁠╥⁠﹏⁠╥⁠)

[zinc imp]

Thats reg I

Plus xerneas isnt in scarlet violet

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/d610ff1957d24677
Explosion in the current meta of regulation f

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[sleek laurel]

If you wanna use Explosion, use Tera Normal Regieleki or Metagross and keep it at probably 1 boom only

This is a very funny team but it’s unfortunately completely unviable if you were to actually play with it

[zinc imp]

Yeah ik the fact that explosion sucks

[sleek laurel]

Ah yeah alright lol

[zinc imp]

I somehow won with it
I made this without the intention of actually winning

[sleek laurel]

Can’t blame a rater for scouting first LOL

But also

If you wanna use explosion competitively

Yeah just keep it at 1 and probably do it with Eleki

If you wanna use this team then be my ladder hero tho but it’s 100% not going to work past like 1150

LOL

[sleek laurel]

Oh and just one thing

Theoretically, this channel is exclusively for actually optimized teams

Which is why I was wondering whether you built this seriously or not

[zinc imp]

ae

[sleek laurel]

But like dw lol

Just don’t submit complete memes too often

A bit of memes is fine but it must be at least somewhat competitive lmao

Cause this is just a for fun team team which honestly pop off goat but yeah

[thick meteor]

Might be the wrong channel but we play on vgc rulesets. I generally have no idea what to do versus this team if anyone can help pls help me. https://pokepast.es/184c46d61486cf16

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

the current regulation for in-person tournaments is reg f, it bans all restricted legendaries

dozogiri is very viable this reg, armarouge hatt a little less so

their roles overlap quite a bit because they’re mostly used on HTR psyspam next to indeedee

you could build a strong team with either one but probably not with both

[spiral cosmos]

Dozogiri on psyspam

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[ripe turret]

double cancer 🥀

[uneven coyote]

I’m finding myself struggling a LOT against archaludon. AND raging bolt. Should I add a stronger ground type attacker? Maybe landorus I or T over raging bolt or flutter mane? https://pokepast.es/97ecc1fe80563dd9

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[uneven coyote]

Give indeedee parting shot, give dondozo a physical version of expanding force

Physical fairy move

That’s light work

[ripe turret]

try chien-pao

obviously it threatens bolt and with SOR cc from ursh should pick up arch

lando-i also seems fine there

over torn I mean

[uneven coyote]

I’ll try chein pao, thank you :)

I have to have torn. It’s my main speed controller

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/506b19795134e03f I feel like this is bad

[ripe turret]

*proceeds to pull out the most standard looking iron crown psyspam team known to man

seriously though run TR over imprison on indeedee, tera dragon over water on crown, detect over taunt on urshifu, and taunt over protect on torn

and tera steel on lando

[fiery plinth]

cut me some slack I barely play to format enough to learn everything, although imprison is for opposing trick room the rest are sure

[ripe turret]

ok if you want to keep imprison that’s fine too, just run it over helping hand

[graceful panther]

https://pokepast.es/a7713e920f3c794d trying to work on this team, it feels strong, but it also feels weird and clunky (keep in mind i built this 30 min ago, i have not tested much so far.)

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[sleek laurel]

I think you need this to be more offensive, Sun teams are usually supposed to be hyper offense with a lot of Speed control

Probably replace Amoonguss with Farigiraf

And give your Torkoal a Specs and the standard Specs set

Wake feels a little too reliant on Tera with Tera Blast too considering it’s not Specs, I’d just run Flamethrower over it but if it’s working, it’s working

That one I’m a little less adamant on since you have a ton of Fire-type coverage

Tornadus also feels kinda redundant with Speed-boosting Walking Wake, as none of your mons really rely on Tailwind

[graceful panther]

what do i do for urshifu then? is psychic farig enought to deal with it

[sleek laurel]

You can probably replace that with something like Raging Bolt

[sleek laurel]

It’s a Sun team

You have a Walking Wake

Surging Strikes does 0

Lol

[graceful panther]

oh yeah that quad resists dosent it

ty for the suggestions

[sleek laurel]

8x resist with Sun in play

LOL

Np

[graceful panther]

lmao

[sleek laurel]

I can’t type on a phone

[sleek laurel]

And yeah, that or like Hisuian Lilligant

For After You Eruption stuff + Grass coverage in general

Which is probably the better option honestly but you can try both

Hilli is very niche but it feels good with these changes in theory

[graceful panther]

yeah also gives me (slightly unreliable) sleep suppport

[sleek laurel]

Cause it matches up well into Incin and provides Grass coverage as well as Fighting coverage alongside Ceruledge

Yeah that too

Just calculate when you actually wanna click Sleep Powder btw, it’s more of an emergency button lol

[graceful panther]

yeah i tried a venusaur team once and missed every powder lmao

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[graceful panther]

what do you think for lillis item? im already using a sash, life orb, and clear amulet.

[sleek laurel]

Oh fuck that’s a problem

Hold up

[sleek laurel]

I think you can probably do like

Sash Hilli
Lorb Pao
Specs Wake with Flamethrower and Tera Blast both

And keep Chark Tork

Lorb Pao is fine because this team is a walking nuke

Same with Specs Wake and just gives you more power in general

And Hilli needs the sash way more than Pao

[graceful panther]

yeah in practice pao usually just sits on the field breaking sashs, not eating damage

[sleek laurel]

You don’t need Pao to stick around too long in Sun HO which is a notable benefit

Yeah

In Sun in particular it’s the best archetype to drop Sash on it

We saw Clam Pao on Wolfe’s Sun Farig stuff and this team is actually rather similar to that

Except with a Hilli over Ogerpon and Ceru over Flutter

Also Wake > Incin but like the core is the same

[sleek laurel]

Ceru btw I clearly tried to keep cause it seems to be the reason behind the team

Worthy of note that it is generally a downgrade to Flutter but

[graceful panther]

well im building it for my cousin who loves ceru

[sleek laurel]

Oh wait

Also you should run Poltergeist over Close Combat on it and I completely and utterly missed that

[graceful panther]

oo ok

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I figured lmao

[sleek laurel]

Strong Ghost-type coverage is

You can also drop SD

Actually yeah drop SD, you don’t have time to setup and you exert a lot of pressure regardless

Cause your moves just have 2 billion power

[graceful panther]

man i love sun 😄

[sleek laurel]

Real

Yeah I skipped over no Polter

But 3 attacks tect clam looks so nice here

You can also pair it with Hilli at certain points to pressure both After You

And the combination of Poltergeist and Close Combat if need be

Which as a duo just takes out anything in the game except like Gouging Fire and yeah

Maybe Ting-Lu survives too but you get the point LOL

[graceful panther]

yea

ty friend, this team looks very good

[sleek laurel]

No probs! Sorry left to watch a series lol

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/f4cd96d313efc842
The same explosion team from yesterday, except no more explosion
Got to 1.2k elo with it so maybe its peak

[fringe storm]

https://pokepast.es/4a4dcd441d1a30b2

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[fringe storm]

double genie

[thick meteor]

https://pokepast.es/1750775bc679b028 i have a good understanding on what i should do on this team but im struggling into koraidon flutter. Any help pls 😔

[thick meteor]

Changed close combat for low kick and put supercell slam on iron hands. Started playing the koraidon fluttermane matchup in tailwind instead of trick room and now trying to figure out what to do vs zamazenta

[heady seal]

Sneasler @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Close Combat
• Dire Claw
• Protect

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aurora Veil
• Moonblast
• Blizzard
• Freeze-Dry

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 252 Atk / 180 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• U-turn
• Fake Out

Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 156 Def / 156 SpD
Impish Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Wood Hammer
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 140 HP / 116 Def / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Dazzling Gleam
• Protect
• Nasty Plot

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 76 Def / 36 SpA / 156 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Trick Room
• Protect
• Moonblast

thoughts on the team

[umbral roost]

use Pokepaste

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/0a691717751314e4

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[sterile flame]

Looking to find pokemon that would give this team trouble

I know amoonguss is here but like it can’t touch ches ever so idk

[lavish nexus]

indeedee, fluttermane, ursh rapid

basically any offensive spread spammer

[heady seal]

NOW rate the team https://pokepast.es/1ef595836a6bc127

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[zinc imp]

landorus lo-

[zinc imp]

ursh rapid exists to effectively cook incin and sneasler
gholdengo and whims get fried by sheer force lorb landorus and ogerpon idk shes pretty good i guess

ninetales
why would you need a snow setter on a team that doesnt need it

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/bd5581a52bb695c2 what do i use for my 6th mon

Also

Is it aight or nah

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[zinc imp]

Support flutter mane
Thats kinda rare
Never saw one

[bronze ether]

I js find it more fun that specs/sash fluttermane

For 6th mon i was thinking like more speed control outside of just thunder wave or like another sun user

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna say it’s super common but then I saw it’s Sun lol

[sleek laurel]

Honestly, no, I think you need more offense

Something like Walking Wake probably

[bronze ether]

I js removed wake

😭😭

[sleek laurel]

That or like

Throat Spray Farig to make Torkoal an offensive partner too

[bronze ether]

I just feel wake is too fragile and kinda makes the team weaker to fairy more than needed

[sleek laurel]

Because Tork in TR is a nuke

[bronze ether]

I got after you liligant

[sleek laurel]

Ah yeah

Though

Farig might still be good here esp with Gambit as well

[bronze ether]

I HATEEEEEEE speed ties against opposing torkoals

[bronze ether]

Tru

[sleek laurel]

Also, one thing

A few of your mons are also missing one EV somewhere

Like

Bolt can run 4 Speed over 4 SpD and Kingambit can run 4 Def > 4 SpD

And it’s objectively better because it keeps your SpD the same for both cases but you gain 1 Def/Speed

Torkoal also probably shouldn’t run 4 Speed as the dump EV LOL

[bronze ether]

Kingambit is like on 80 spd

[sleek laurel]

No yeah but

76 and 80 is the same

It only changes from 76 to 84 at Level 50

[bronze ether]

Js to outspeed opposing tork outside of trickroom

[sleek laurel]

It doesn’t change anything

Because you have 0 Speed IVs

[bronze ether]

Oo okok

[sleek laurel]

At Level 50

You only get a change every 2 stat points

If you want to win the Speed ties

Give your Torkoal a few IVs until you get one more Speed

And then

Use the last stat point in SpD anyway

Because then you get both the Speed you want and one more SpD for balling

[sleek laurel]

It’s either going to be 2 or 4

Check that in the builder

[bronze ether]

So its every 8 evs for 1 stat point?

[sleek laurel]

Not exactly

It’s 4 for the first if you have 31 IVs

And 8 for every one afterwards

Because EVs mix up with IVs, and 31 IVs give you 15.5 stats

So you only need another 0.5 = 4 EVs for next last one

But as a concept yes, it’s just that 31 IVs give you half already

[bronze ether]

So if i run 0 speed evs and 2 ivs on tork i still get the speed i want and more spd?

[sleek laurel]

Yes

It might be 4 IVs actually because natures make it funky

So check out whether it’s 2 or 4

Without a nature affecting it it’s always 2 but natures can sometimes troll

[bronze ether]

Its 2 iv

[sleek laurel]

Alright

Then yeah 2 IVs with no invest and you get to save a point

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/8e930a40a9c9c06f broo help i keep losing depsit this team getting me to 1200

despite

[sleek laurel]

Are you new to the metagame?

[bronze ether]

I dont think 252 hp and sash on raichu is a good idea

[sleek laurel]

Two mons are unviable and the other four all need set changes

I feel like they’re probably new to the metagame

[sleek laurel]

Matter of which, I feel like you should probably try to learn the game with a tried and true team first of all

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/1297783590ad1fc8
Explosion team now cleansed of its curse

[sleek laurel]

Get the hangs of how teambuilding as well as clicking works and then try to build something of your own

[sleek laurel]

Looks like just the former Explosion team without Explosion tbh, I feel like this archetype won’t work as ur hoping it does

Specs Gholdengo + Landorus without Speed control

Metagross without AV

I think if you wanna make this competitive/optimized, you probably keep the Ghold and Landorus

And then build some sort of Cary D’Ortona-like offense, I can help w that if you want

[hazy hamlet]

ye

[sleek laurel]

Welcome!

[bronze ether]

Is iron crown indeedee viable😭

I linda wanna try it

[zinc imp]

Idk if its just me or smth but this thing carried me to the 1200s
Never worked afterwards lo-

[sleek laurel]

Yes

Definitely

[sleek laurel]

Yeah, in lower ladder you can get away with some memes

But if you wanna optimize it then oh well lol

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/2899c792134b511f
A team with all the genies and specs eleki for some reason and 4x electric weakness bird

[hazy hamlet]

this team vs rockpon

✌️

😭8

😭*

[languid light]

https://pokepast.es/6f322e23b04ae80b what should i add?

[languid light]

I like running focus blast thundo T for ursaluna and archaludon

[heady seal]

It’s just there as lik a super distraction and a weather canceller + if it’s not targeted I set veil

[heady seal]

Also, it’s honestly proved to be the best mon on the team since i can use it for almost everything

[split reef]

Focus miss

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/f54063c65b525511

trying something out (or atleast i would be if showdown wasnt down)

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[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/76d385a655fe31ac

[zinc imp]

Rare rock pon appearance

The most common ogerpons are just wellspring and hearthflame

[hazy hamlet]

Rockpon is lwky underrated bc u don't need to invest in bulk and is prob the only good rock type offense Pokemon that u can js add on the team instead of building the team around it

[winter timber]

can anyone give me tips for my team im just starting out https://pokepast.es/47dcf1bb532c5720

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[zinc imp]

Sylveon is missing 4 evs

[winter timber]

Oh I didn’t notice thanks!

[ripe turret]

not really seeing the reason for peli here since you can (and should) run manual rain on torn instead, also if you want to use enamorus go moonblast dgleam ep tect alongside thundurus with eerie impulse/scary face

and specs eleki doesn’t make a whole lot of sense as well

what I’d suggest is just slapping on incin amoong here

they’re a very solid pair defensively and give you a ton of support

also helps with TR which you don’t seem to have a great answer for right now

[ripe turret]

I would say just scrap this team entirely, it has a lot of problems

[languid light]

its goated tho?

[ripe turret]

it looks like you were trying to build rain + moody muk?

if that’s the case then I’d recommend one of two things

[languid light]

trying to replace muk

[ripe turret]

either switch to full rain (better option) or commit to moody muk (troll option)

ok cool

so I’d go something along the lines of peli arch shifu torn lando amoong

[languid light]

cuh ts is a joke

i am running jolly speed boosting bolt cuh

[ripe turret]

ok if the team is not supposed to be like a serious competitive team that’s fine, just this channel is supposed to be for making teams competitively viable

[ripe turret]

unsure why you’re running clam garticuno, that basically nullifies its ability

also not too sure what weezing is supposed to be doing on this team

it doesn’t really have a good partner

your indeedee set is also odd, I would at least try to preserve the option of TR so that you can set it against opposing tailwind/reverse it

and poison jab on urshifu is not a very impactful coverage move because mystic water surging strikes does more damage ~90% of the tine

the only thing it’s really better against is rillaboom

which like it still does less than cc anyways

[ripe turret]

looks solid overall, run a different item on incin and run draco>dpulse and weather ball

also I’d recommend hilli over venusaur as your sleep spammer

[split reef]

Venu is way more fat

He can tank more

[ripe turret]

yeah but the speed is way worse, hilli gets better tools like after you and it can run sash so bulk doesn't matter as much

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/d1e8acc41c408f97
Is it ok?

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[split reef]

Caly gets fricked by wide guard

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[ripe turret]

for a beginner this team looks pretty solid, but you are using a lot of suboptimal mons

sylveon really only fills a specific niche that it doesn’t need to fill here

scarf urshifu is honestly just better than basculegion

landorus-i is a better rain abuser than thundurus-t

and amoonguss is better than maushold because archaludon can’t set up as reliably this format since there are way more powerful mons, and amoonguss is a better redurector/disruptor

but generally speaking your sets are very solid other than a couple minor things, it’s just that there are better options for what you’re using

[ripe turret]

the main thing I’m seeing here is the indeedee set, I’d run either psychic or dgleam over shadow ball and helping hand over protect

I’m also personally not the biggest fan of idef zama, but it works a lot better in bo1 to catch your opponents off guard if they play passive

otherwise it looks fine, I would consider pao>hearthflame and torn>whims but if the double redirection works for you then keep it

oh also run encore>taunt/hh on whims

if you don’t change it

[unborn silo]

Pao might be good idea because I have zero way to hit wide guard lunala

[ripe turret]

oh yeah mirala seems a little hell to play into

yeah then try that out

[unborn silo]

And what move set do I use on chien-pao?

[ripe turret]

crash sucker crunch protect

[lone mantle]

https://pokepast.es/499354af30c088b1 can anyone help with this team

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[lavish nexus]

jugulis is outclassed pretty easily, if you want a dark booster tw user, use roaring moon

you have offensive torkoal but nothing else that benefits from tr, and because of the speed you can't even tr infront of amoonguss or other low speed threats, probably try run a more supportive set, or drop it entirely and run a torn/whims with sunny day due to how little you benefit from sun

[lone mantle]

Alright

Wut build should I run for the support torkoal?

[lavish nexus]

helping hand and yawn/will o wisp

[bronze ether]

https://pokepast.es/386f181f58908a7e i tried giving my lando a bit more bulk but idk how that pans out, tried giving most my mons bulk as i tried to create a defensive-ishhhh team. tell me if my roaring moon needs help

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[granite plinth]

a lot of the times the best way to approach bulk is to use a calculator and design a the set to survive a specific attack

[hollow coral]

This is mine. i use pokemon show down and imported it into Pokepaste and this is what it gave me.

https://pokepast.es/12e682546b6351bc

[winter timber]

Can I ask why landorus I is better than thundurus t and amoonguss is better than maushold?

[ripe turret]

yeah ok so basically landorus-i hits harder than thundurus-t despite the difference in their stats due to its ability sheer force which when paired with the life orb essentially gives it a x1.69 boost to its damage

[winter timber]

Ohhhh ok

[ripe turret]

and as a side bonus its ability also cancels out the damaging side effect of lorb

also generally speaking the ground coverage that it provides is much more valuable in this reg

[winter timber]

Thank you so much for explaining

Should I be using landorus or landorus therian?

[ripe turret]

incarnate

sorry I’m kinda multitasking rn

[winter timber]

It’s perfectly fine! Take all the time you need

[ripe turret]

as for amoonguss the reasoning behind that is that maushold is a worse support in almost every aspect other than its ability to set up arch

but the problem with that is that arch can’t set up as reliably in this regulation compared to the last one because of the higher power level

so you play it less like a bulky tank that sits on the field for the entire game and more like a consistent midgame damage dealer or an endgame cleaner

[winter timber]

Thank you so much for the help

[ripe turret]

yeah

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/88c61385abb9b945

How is this team?

[lavish nexus]

overall, you only have offensive teras so you die pretty easily, also you're putting IVs where they do literally nothing, like putting spa IVs on a physical attacker, none of your mons have protect and allot of them would really benefit from it which basically makes you really vulnerable to offense and balance

band ursh doesn't do a whole lot, you don't have the speed to be an immediate threat and don't have protect to stall more oppressive mons, focus punch is also just bad you should be using CC, and bulk up is useless with choice lock

Jugulis doesn't have the stats to really do anything here, there are much better tw users like whims, and if you need the offense just use roaring moon

bax is another case of being outclassed for this kinda set, you'd rather chien for a fast ice attacker, focus energy is pretty bad unless you can get a +1 chance from something else, like with ivy cudgel

moth also seems to just be a bulky attacker, but there's better picks like raging bolt which could also run booster energy, meteor beam without power herb is also really bad since it takes two turns to hit, spikes aren't very useful in vgc due to how fast the rounds are

tatsugiri would rather an item that deals more damage, something like life orb, since 1.1x isn't enough to win any more calcs

dozo would rather another move, probably protect like said before, over rain dance since it doesn't really do anything for the team, quick claw is also way too inconsistent to be worth running and you'd rather something like rocky helmet or leftovers

[hollow coral]

Thanks. Ill take that into consideration.

[cinder glacier]

It's Erizabeth's team but I making Walking Wake faster, gave him a life orb, giving Lilligant a covert cloak, and having the eject pack for Torkoal

[ripe turret]

it looks like you’re trying to build two modes here that don’t really fit together

rm tailwind offense + rb balance

[bronze ether]

I js lowk fw roarin moon

[ripe turret]

ok if you want to build around moon then I’d suggest looking at cary d’ortona’s team

[bronze ether]

The one in the latest regional?

[ripe turret]

lemme try to find the paste for you

[hollow coral]

Ill change some things and get some new pokemon and remove some. And then redo my team. To be rated again.

[ripe turret]

it was a couple back but it featured tailwind rm + specs ghold and wtv

https://pokepast.es/fe515bc84524c27e

no EVs but they’re listed in a video somewhere

[bronze ether]

O yea i saw this one

[ripe turret]

either that or you could try building around ddance moon

ah ok

[bronze ether]

I fw tailwind moon

Being prankster immune is tuff

[ripe turret]

ok

[bronze ether]

Idk how i feel abt specs ghol tho

[ripe turret]

you could probably replace ghold + urshifu with like

specs flutter and wellspring maybe?

[bronze ether]

I meannnn yea but the team would js get wipedddd by tornadus

[ripe turret]

eh not really

you only have two weaknesses

and none of its usual partners do too well into wellspring

[lavish nexus]

only two protects makes you pretty vulnerable to balance, especially rilla + pon grassy glide

lilligant could benefit allot from after you for torkoal and bolt

substitute lando could be good for pushing advantage rather than a move that would always be inaccurate without rain

[hollow coral]

Is there trade codes for roaring moon or raging bolt

[ripe turret]

I would say if you’re running lorb wake replace lando with incin or something because you don’t really have another item for it

also I think sash hilli + tera ghost is just better than cloak

[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/4663680b3cee2ebd

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[zinc imp]

I think its good enough
I beat a 1273 elo player with it

[frank hazel]

https://pokepast.es/07e9583a8278f4a5

Trying to build a trick room team. its been working well but i always match up badly into sun.

[lavish nexus]

check pins

[rustic bear]

My apologies!

It is gone

[lavish nexus]

you can replace wugtrio with urshifu, since it runs a similar set and does it better

by replacing wug you also have a fighting type, so you can swap medicham for a better fake out user like incin, since you already have a grass type

rampardos is also very weak in the meta but could work, tho you're running protect on a choice locked mon

[zinc imp]

Yeah i already changed wugtrio for ursh

[lavish nexus]

for a slow fairy attacker you could try hatterene over enamorus, it has access to more utility and gives you an e spammer

fake out on a psy terrain team is a bit counter productive, you could choose something more offensive like arcanine for an intimidate user

[frank hazel]

would you recomend the normal or hisuian one

[hollow coral]

What do you think are the best held items for urshifu, tatsugiri, dondozo, Roaring moon, Chien pao, and raging bolt (I havent gotten raging bolt yet but im working on it). i want to start to get the items i need

[ripe turret]

it really depends on the team

but always booster for moon and probably sash for pao

[lavish nexus]

hisuian, it's more offensive and has rock slide, giving you a mode for flinch spam with your tr sweepers if you're in an endgame where tr expires

[rough charm]

https://pokepast.es/9014b511fe82e7a0

I tried to make a hyper offense team. Im new to vgc.

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[vestal wharf]

https://pokepast.es/0340441843823cf7

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[vestal wharf]

pls rate

[opaque ocean]

https://pokepast.es/f0a7198f56c8504a

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[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/296dae27a681c27e it's probably bad but I really like the raichu tech, it's good for a an electric weak team

[grave jewel]

https://pokepast.es/4448505e1275f476 new to vgc and tried cooking up a dongiri team

[eternal nova]

https://pokepast.es/4ea9340f646cb292

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/386671fbdd9668e2
funny but incredibly unviable reg I team made with my 2 favorite restricteds, any advice to make it more viable somehow is appreciated

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/f8e3679a1828f02a

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[strange slate]

guh

[zinc imp]

Ursh rapid is better than single because it breaks sashes
Either life orb or cAmulet is better on koraidon cause CAmulet makes it invulnerable to intimidate and life orb lets it hit harder than having flame plate. Oh yeah of youre running lorb then use cc over collision course as that lets you ko certain mons that ccourse normally wouldnt ko
The rest are basically fine ig

[rough charm]

Id rather use SSShifu bcz of the semi-sun archetype I got with korai and mane.

But, ill consider the other things.

[mint raft]

https://pokepast.es/adc57be60dcaa242 for reg F

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[zinc imp]

https://pokepast.es/e6440afb217c81b9
May or may not be my first attempt at a tr team

[ripe turret]

god damn there are a lot of teams, I’ll clean up some of them when I have time

[random wagon]

i do like the idea of kyogre + miraidon and have dabbled into it a bit myself a while ago. thunder really isn't worth it on miraidon bc electro drift is strong enough and it kinda makes u too reliant on rain, especially in a format where koraidon is popular

probably just run tera fairy dazzling gleam stuff

tera steel is really mid bc u still struggle with lando and it makes ur already meh MU into iron hands a lot worse

tera fairy dazzling gleam should help with this

amoonguss is also kinda counterintuitive on a miraidon team that doesnt have ice rider icl

i think instead you want something that hits grasses like opposing guss and rilla

chien-pao does really well with that here + boosts ur urshifu

also realistically urshifu should be tera water or ghost here

again steel just isnt great on it

tornadus could also use some bulk in terms of evs but its fine for now

gholdengo also feels kind of random?

like i kinda get the pick but i kinda dont

tbh something that again helps especially into rillaboom will be nice as a replacement though im not quite sure what it should directly be

actually maybe just drop the ghold for pao

since you do really want a grass type and it could help into quite a few matchups

yeah do that

[random wagon]

i'll try and help you out with this and keep raichu on the team since that seems to be the "star" of the team

knock off isnt really that great on raichu imo

especially since protect is kinda vital to protect ur sash from fake out

so you dont have to commit tera on a mediocre mon

typically rain teams in reg f use either pelipper or tornadus, not really both since they fulfill very similar roles

i would just choose the one you feel is better, me personally i would go tornadus

basculegion is also kinda mid which sounds crazy but like

urshifu is right there

basculegion makes a bit more sense if ur using pelipper i guess but like u already have a few too many niche mons (raichu and arch)

everything else seems fine though

[random wagon]

regulation g isnt in play anymore (regulation i is though for in game ladder!) so i do recommend finding a slot for a second restricted pokemon

i would probably drop incineroar since it kinda conflicts with the offensive nature of the team

i think koraidon is a solid replacement here for it since that tends to be good with csr

this team does seem kind of miraidon weak though

urshifu may not be the best fit here

unless you run like sash + tera stellar

[fiery plinth]

'too many niche mon' when really raichu is the weird one out and arch for an extent, but even If I took one of the sitters out shouldn't I just place urshifu in their place?, bas does unreal damage especially end game

[random wagon]

the thing is that you kind of have to rely on basculegion and you need to always get into a position where it can clean endgame

and most times, especially against players who account for basc, this just doesnt work out

urshifu in that regard is far more consistent

additionally it doesnt need weather to function

[fiery plinth]

I mean having two weather sitters guarantees it's effectiveness

[random wagon]

this is committing way too hard to the weather schtick and will make ur gameplans really easy to predict + account for

[fiery plinth]

neither way I'm slotting out pel what should I replace it with? the chein ursh combo?

[random wagon]

yeah probably

really want to pin grasses + deal as much burst damage as possible throughout the course of the game

i have some rain pastes u can check out if you'd like

https://pokepast.es/180f34dee60d487a this is probably my favorite one to use peli

[fiery plinth]

I just wanted to try out an idea since I do have other rain teams but are basically copycats of each other with very little difference

[random wagon]

although it might be a bit meh bc i havent played reg f in a while (stuck in vgc uu mindset lol)

[random wagon]

i mean if its working for you go for it

[random wagon]

anyways back to this

in general i do recommend newer players to play with sample teams to better grasp the meta

https://pokepast.es/38342ccf47f24393 a team like this may be akin to what u like

doesnt have dozogiri but has that same offensive and committal playstyle

[fiery plinth]

neither way thx for the help, it does work fine with me generally I just have to play unpredictable

[random wagon]

i see the idea with this team but it is kind of just unviable

ursa tr has IMO been pretty much solved with cress or zong or more commonly p2

since u seem to be a newer player to vgc i recommend samples again

https://pokepast.es/7ad187c8c4a1f60a something akin to this may be of interest of u

[random wagon]

i honestly dont know where to start here because adding reshiram like instantly fries this

i'll try and keep the core here though

sinistcha is like very random tbh

i think you'd benefit a lot more from indeedee-f in that slot because right now your miraidon matchup is absolutely horrendous

chi-yu also probably wants overheat over wisp

but honestly this is probably as far as the idea goes

im really not sure what steps to take from here but just say glhf 😭

unfortunately thats really all you can do with reshiram

[lethal bridge]

yea it really sucks that she sucks lmao but yea i forgot indeedee exists i like sinistcha but i'll give her a try

wisp is on chi-yu because it can work as there's no open team sheet option for reg I on showdown now for some reason but it would probably be better just to have overheat altho i'd prefer to have the more accurate flamethrower

[random wagon]

there's no ots bc regulation i as of right now is just in game ladder where there is no ots

[lethal bridge]

oh that makes sense

[random wagon]

overheat is also better than flamethrower 100% you get some nasty dmg with that

it is worth the accuracy drop imo

but if you feel more comfortable with flamethrower then u can use that if you'd like

[lethal bridge]

i lose way too many games because of heat wave misses i'd rather do less damage everytime than more damage sometimes lmao

maybe i should add gravity to this team

[versed smelt]

https://pokepast.es/a75d19c94390f959

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[versed smelt]

I'm trying to get into competitive Pokémon please give advice on how I could improve my team

Pls ping me so I don't miss it

[grave jewel]

ty, ill defo try this out!

[eternal nova]

https://pokepast.es/526f9855467f75ea

[frail kelp]

Is this for doubles?

[grave jewel]

no for vgc

[frail kelp]

K

[grave jewel]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158 u go here

[zinc imp]

This looks like a singles team ngl
Dialga running stealth rock
Kyurem can run loaded dice scale shot for dragon stab and just be better overall

Also why av tsareena
The frostlass can just get its job done but better with a prankster mon
Slowking idk what to say

[flint moat]

https://pokepast.es/737cf218eccfacd3 my team, is it good?

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[spiral cosmos]

Go booster energy -> sash, and swap out tbolt for dazzling gleam

Max speed ursh is kinda bad, and i dont know why you're max speed hearthflame

[wanton abyss]

turbo

but yes you should be valuing bulk in this metagame

[wanton abyss]

Your EV spreads are also unoptimized for some of them. Your hearthflame and incin spreads can add 4EVs somewhere

[flint moat]

can you help me?

[wanton abyss]

I can offer you advice

[spiral cosmos]

?

[wanton abyss]

sometimes you gotta go fast

this is not one of those times

[spiral cosmos]

I mean you already have whims and booster flutter

So yea no

[wanton abyss]

a few things I notice:
-you’re running both gholdengo and flutter, and only one of them needs shadow ball: gholdengo. you can drop shadow ball from Flutter. The most common replacement is icy wind and/or taunt. What was TBolt for?
-think about what you need to out speed and what you need to live, and adjust your EV spreads accordingly. What do you want certain Pokemon to do?

[spiral cosmos]

As for tera types, i think shifu and incin could swap theirs. Grass on safety goggles isnt as good imo, and while i dont personally have an issue with ghost on shifu i think grass would be better

[wanton abyss]

also, fire punch on Incin is not the correct move. If you’re running a fire move, you’re always running flare blitz. You don’t care about the recoil

[spiral cosmos]

I forgot flutter has been dropping shadow ball, tbh

[wanton abyss]

The moonblast/icy wind/taunt/twave sets have been seeing much more use

no room for shadow ball when Tera fairy moonblast 2HKOs the entire format

[flint moat]

tbolt vs dondozo if i lose Ogerpon-Hearthflame early

[spiral cosmos]

Just moonblast it

[wanton abyss]

Tera fairy moonblast hits as hard as super effective tbolt

same base power

Also if they bring dondozo into encore whims that’s a free W for you

I do not think you need to prep for dondozo matchups any further

[spiral cosmos]

They are taunt/fake tears

[flint moat]

Flutter Mane @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Moonblast
• Thunder Wave
• Protect

[wanton abyss]

Fake tears is a new one. I did not know it got that move

[spiral cosmos]

I've actually used it a bit myself its pretty fun

If you put it next to like, ghold, lando, drago or blursa its hilarious watching stuff get nuked

[wanton abyss]

Generally, if you are running flutter, the most common set is booster flutter with large amounts of hp and defense investment. The point of that is to live adamant urshifu surging strikes and kill in return with moonblast or cripple with thunder wave

Focus sash loses to scarf or opposing tailwind

[spiral cosmos]

Sash only works when you have other means of getting the proto boost anyways

Which this team obviously does not

[wanton abyss]

Torkoal my beloved

[spiral cosmos]

The first time i saw helping hand tera fairy proto boosted moonblast it was like being hit with a sun

[wanton abyss]

HH proto boosted specs Tera fairy dazzling

melts

anyways

[spiral cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[spiral cosmos]

Wait why are you knockoff on hearthflame?

[wanton abyss]

I think this team could use more bulk, so you can survive hits better. 252/252 spreads aren’t bad on more agressive teams, but that doesn’t seem like what this team is built for

[flint moat]

how

[spiral cosmos]

Having a base 135 stat will do that

[wanton abyss]

TIL hearthflame got knock off. Run follow me

[spiral cosmos]

Also urshifu doesnt have the best spdef

100/60 aint allat

[wanton abyss]

so one of the more common leads is torn/urshifu. also most urshifu are Tera steel nowadays to avoid dying to moonblast

So you need to be able to live the surging strikes so you have flutter for another turn

[flint moat]

and how

[spiral cosmos]

Bold

Im so deadass use the bold nature

[wanton abyss]

Almost all of your investment has to go into defense and HP, and you have to run bold nature

I think it’s 244HP 244Def?

And the rest into speed so you get the speed proto boost

They should have given flutter willowisp

[spiral cosmos]

Imagine explaining to a new player "Yes. The most common set on FLUTTER MANE is max HP max Def."

[flint moat]

am i stupid?

[spiral cosmos]

Thats choice band bruh

[wanton abyss]

Yes, band always kills you. We’re trying to survive Mystic Water

Mystic water is the more common set

[spiral cosmos]

Most band shifu are dark anyways right?

[wanton abyss]

if it’s band shifu and they get up tailwind in our face then we’re cooked yes

Band watershifu is still out there on certain tailroom comps

[wanton abyss]

No, you’re just calcing versus the wrong set. We’re aiming for 156 Adamant. I think the set I gave you also lives 236 Adamant Surging Strikes too

[wanton abyss]

as you can see in the top right, we do live the surging strikes now

yay!

[flint moat]

ok

anything else?

[spiral cosmos]

Wait does this team really need bulky flutter?

[wanton abyss]

That’s up to you. Are there other attacks you want to live on your other Pokemon?

[flint moat]

Sneasler @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Unburden
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Acrobatics
• Dire Claw
• Close Combat
• U-turn

?

[wanton abyss]

Without bulky flutter, it folds to TornShifu and anything in the back

[spiral cosmos]

Nobody uses sneasler

[flint moat]

ok

[spiral cosmos]

You dont need to calc for it

[wanton abyss]

We also don’t rate individual sets here

We rate completed teams

[spiral cosmos]

Thats not even an individual set they just ripped that straight off the damage calc sets

[flint moat]

why dont start Whimsicot+Flutter Mane vs TornShifu'

taunt+moon blast

or Whimsicott+Ogerpon-Hearthflame

[wanton abyss]

If you lead Ogerpon Whims, they just Bleakwind Storm + Surging Strike and kill Oger. If you lead Flutter Whims, The Urshifu Tera Steels and kill your flutter through the sash. That’s why we run the bulk, so you live the surging strikes and land a t wave or moonblast and go from there

[flint moat]

Can't i moonblast and spiky shield?

[wanton abyss]

Can whims live a bleakwind

[flint moat]

Tera steel

[flint moat]

Or something like this

But what do i need to do vs 252 spe tornadus?

And what's wrong in knock of ogrepon

[opaque ocean]

https://pokepast.es/7c88afb20f52fc6d

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[flint moat]

I fix my team https://pokepast.es/4d977f82f02dc33e . I can start with ogerpon Whimsicott vs urhifu tornadus so theoretically i dont need bulky flutter mane

[grave jewel]

btw, whats this teams strat?

[random wagon]

the team's goal is kinda damage damage damage

using the supporting cast to nullify / remove threats for the big guys to sweep

[random wagon]

rilla + miraidon is anti-synergy

kingambit also makes like no sense

just makes zama and more notably koraidon harder for no reason

id run chien-pao + amoonguss instead tbh

ik i said before guss + mirai is anti synergy but it really isnt that bad

rilla + mirai is a different story but yk

[opaque ocean]

I played like 15 games with this team in showdown and just lost 2 games with it, i love throwing sword dance with king but it will stop being viable at major leagues. I will use pao but i still think i need a fake out in my team.

[grave jewel]

https://pokepast.es/18a6e530ab6f659b Btw, i know i shouldnt be focusing on building teams before understanding the meta etc but i had this trick room team in mind after i got bulldozed by a trick room team a while ago

[jovial creek]

I would go clear amulet cir with hhp over leech on this

you want the damage

also I think hatterene is better than armarouge because you get the fairy typing+magic bounce

smeargle should probably be min speed and then cir should be 1 point faster so you can decorate then glacial

[opaque ocean]

https://pokepast.es/a8b465d6b5f83d3a For Reg F, i was thinking playing pelipper with tail wind and quiting tornadus and rilaboom for amonguss and incineroar

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[spiral cosmos]

Feels like you dont really need torn for tailwind here

Just use wide guard on peli

[proper wharf]

https://pokepast.es/ecce996325efb846

[drifting onyx]

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[fair dune]

https://pokepast.es/9075e66ce726779e
This is my team inspired by Cary D'Ortona's 2026 Toronto regionals team. The main idea was to build around Landorus-Incarnate, which I think is the single best offensive threat in the current format. The first issue to address was Urshifu-R, which gets hard countered by Amoongus. Next was my matchup against other BO teams, for which I think the best counter is a bulky/support Roaring Moon. Rillaboom and Urshifu are here for obvious reasons, and finally, the Piece de Resistance, Tera Bug Heatran, which 1. Finishes the Fire-Water-Grass core, 2. Helps a ton against HO teams, be it Tailwind or Trick Room, and 3. Give me solid, consistent damage, and helps cover for Landorus' weaknesses.
I could go more into detail for all of my choices, but TLDR, nerf Wo-Chien

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[mint raft]

#1059704283072831499 message
I think tera water gholdengo is currently my bane

[grave jewel]

https://pokepast.es/e7d22bee4062be90 calynala trick room team

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[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/babb424cf2eb84f4 im on some mad bullshit rn but this team actually feels mad good

some things im kinda hung up on though are if i should go with a different thundy set or just kinda incin in general he feels fine but i didnt really put much thought into how he fits

ive been playing this for about a day and a half and he actually feels really good though

he helps my ice rider mu a lot and ig just the way ive been approaching ice rider i rarely lose to it anyway

zama helps a LOT with that

thundurus was originally incarnate form but neither ability really went with what i wanted from it (already have great support with torn and incin so i dont really need prankster that much) so i was just like fuck it lets play specs and when i do bring it it was fine

obv switched to therian because i liked volt absorb more for what i wanted from him

[blissful quarry]

https://pokepast.es/9a09e210baf7255e i blatantly stole this team but im thinking of swapping chien pao out for indeedee or farigiraf and maybe choice scarf for clear amulet (though that one’s much less likely)

also taunt on flutter mane for something like mystical fire

[ripe turret]

honestly pao here makes a lot more sense than indeedee/farig, you don't have much else to take advantage of TR and amoonguss is mostly there to counter other TR

urshifu doesn't need clam because surging ignores intimidate anyways

and if you wanted to replace taunt on flutter I'd go with power gem, mystical fire doesn't seem very appealing to me because it is on a rain team

[blissful quarry]

i was thinking more for helping hand and blocking fake out (and terrain control in the case of indeedee) but yea that makes sense
also i did not know crits ignored your own stat drops i thought it was just the opponents 😭

[flint moat]

can i ask to rate my prediction of team for next format https://pokepast.es/8e342bf336bb6e0b

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[sleek laurel]

I was gonna catch up to some rates but thank you @ripe turret for catching up to them for us

[sleek laurel]

No, unfortunately, because there's no metagame theory at all

In fact, most RMT channels stay closed for a handful of days AFTER the game comes out

I'll gladly help in 1-2 months with it, though!

[flint moat]

But concept of team is good?

Or bad

[sleek laurel]

Concept is good

A few movesets look dubious (mainly Yard I guess, you want actual Fire-type offense on a Sun team)

Also, too many Paradoxes, makes you way too Sun reliant

But the concept is good

And naturally we can't tell how good the specifics are beyond a lot of educated guessing

[broken shuttle]

i think if u make the thundurus a raging bolt this is good

chilling water is also really shit on kyogre

if u want single target damage use hydro pump otherwise use origin pulse

not going +defense on zama is super troll

even if you want to invest a lot in spedef u miss out on so much damage by not going +def

yea just make the thundy slot like

AV raging bolt

and it should be fine

you also need a bit more speed on your kyogre

rn it doesn't outspeed calyrex-s in tailwind which is like

just troll 😂

[broken shuttle]

what are you trying to build exactly? this is kind of all over the place

the sets feel pretty bad

[broken shuttle]

amoonguss is super out of place on this, id try smth like Iron Hands for fake out & the miraidon matchup

looks fine otherwise

leftovers lunala seems kinda weird

[flint moat]

is this a good point to start in new format?

[broken shuttle]

its prolly fine tho

[broken shuttle]

i think double grass feels a bit out of place on this
like you could kind of just fold the rilla and heatran into one slot and make it AV incin which gives you room to run a different sixth mon (maybe something like a specs flutter)
max/max ursh feels troll on this you definitely want a bit bulkier if you're going mystic water
dropping protect for puff + sludge on shroom isnt necessary, i'd recommend sludge here. i think you also kinda want rocky helmet to actually solidify beating urshifu

looks fine otherwise

[grave jewel]

What would u go instead?

Power Herb + Meteor beam perhaps?

[broken shuttle]

nah lefties is fine if ur dropping meteor beam

[grave jewel]

Yeah

[broken shuttle]

i cant think of a better item over it so😂

[grave jewel]

Dropped it bcs I wanted to use Expanding Force paired with the psychic terrain from indeedee

What do u think of this?
Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Low Kick

Only problem is I get 2hko by glass cannon koraidon

^ Flare Blitz + CC

[broken shuttle]

yea this looks good

[sleek laurel]

That's every single Pokémon in the game

Don't think this is something you should worry about in the builder

But yeah Geph got to you already, just a general tip

[ripe turret]

idk if you should be thanking me lol, I did like 1

[grave jewel]

Btw am I able to run energy ball on caly-i into kyogre/water matchups

Or is the wild charge from iron hands enough

[ripe turret]

if you really want a grass move then use seed bomb not energy ball

idk if it’s really that good though

[grave jewel]

I see

I just want smth to take care of kyogre

(After I was recently dominated by one earlier in showdown)

[ripe turret]

also you do have wide guard

[grave jewel]

On lunala yes

But I missplayed and didn't play it

So kyogre one shot me

[ripe turret]

I mean

atp that’s not really a team issue

I think your team is fine into kyogre

[broken shuttle]

^

[grave jewel]

Yeah that's true

[mint raft]

Not sure it’s my first team

For vgc at least

I’ve built 6v6 doubles teams before but I mostly play random

[light nebula]

lowk forgot i posted the team here i swapped specs for scarf and the damage is really nice

also ty for the zama tip this is my first team i tried him

i will say all the spdef investment was helping it survive a lot of miraidon bs that it prob wouldnt have lived

[light nebula]

new ogre set

[light nebula]

wait i just realized how im wasting like a ton of evs

fixed it

[ripe turret]

go spout>ice beam/thunder

also sitrus ogre is a scam

run mystic water

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/803d167b1ab23e2e

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[ripe turret]

this looks very solid overall, I'm not really seeing the point of ghost tera lando though

[unborn silo]

Block fake out when I facing raging bolt incineroar team

[ripe turret]

fair

you already have farig + sub so idt it's super necessary, but if it works then it works

[broken shuttle]

you definitely dont need ghost lando here

go poison

[unborn silo]

Ok

And is there a any Mon that I need to change next?

[broken shuttle]

are you having any issues with it

id prolly recommend putting protect on the farigiraf over helping hand but otherwise it looks fine

you could also try nasty plot ghold or mystic water/life orb ursh here but its fine as is

[light nebula]

i tried spout i wasnt a fan of it on this team

but ty for the mystic water suggestion

[ripe turret]

kyogre really needs water spout

like really really needs it

otherwise the only move that actually deals any real damage is origin pulse

and its shaky accuracy makes it a very risky click

water spout is your chunkiest move by far and has perfect accuracy

trust me, as a kyogre user it really needs the nuke button especially in reg i

[light nebula]

ill give it another try

[mint raft]

Don’t you need scarf+timid with spout

This dude isn’t trying a scarf set here

Unless you have redirection

[ripe turret]

no?

spout is quite literally kyogre's best move

you should always be running it unless you're using a cm lefties set

and plus they have tailwind

[mint raft]

Kyogre is slow

[ripe turret]

...

[mint raft]

I didn’t see the full set

[ripe turret]

it's not even that slow

it's base 90

which already outspeeds some things

and then you add tailwind

[mint raft]

Anything matters with spout/eruption

[ripe turret]

and then it's outrunning shadow rider

which it can't ohko without spout btw

ogre actually misses quite a bit without spout

[light nebula]

scarf is taken by thundurus

i considered it for ogre but that can do things without scarf bc of tailwind

thundy doesnt do much if it doesnt outspeed

[ripe turret]

ngl scarf ogre is like

strictly bo1 cts tech

only really good if your opp isn’t expecting it

[broken shuttle]

definitely not

kyogre teams usually run a lot of speed control so you can get the most value out of spout

[rustic bear]

https://pokepast.es/6e165aa396012daa

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[rustic bear]

its an obvious rain team but i am currently lacking a bit of creativity and doubting my ability atm so im sticking to basics

tornadus and archaludon are my own custom sets but the others are sets ive stolen from smogon

[sleek laurel]

You should probably use the Smogon sets for those two as well due to EV spreads + Knock Off Torn being worse than Taunt or Protect and actively getting in the way of Incineroar's damage, and Foul Play Archaludon is just not a move you really are gonna click

As for the Pokémon though

No Urshifu for Basculegion is a cook but lowkey I like what you have in general

Though tbh you don't really want Tornadus at all here with Pelipper already

Sash Pelipper is usually enough for Tailwind because even in the (actually very rare) cases where the opponent can deny it with a double up of two faster Pokémon, you get a free Electro Shot off with Archaludon most of the time, or just explode something with Basculegion (which btw would also outspeed the opponent in question anyway lmao)

I would replace that one with Flutter Mane, it's a strong standard offensive component of Rain

Most people do Special Attack Booster Energy, I also like Choice Specs a lot (mainly because it's faster, as you can actually run Timid)

Landorus-I is also an option if you give Basc a Choice Band instead

That, or just replace it (Basc) with Urshifu-R, though by then you have a 100% standard team

Which is also fine and might be preferred unless you want to keep the uniqueness (Basc is still definitely viable anyway, Urshifu is just more oppressive)

[rustic bear]

a stupid question incoming

is there EVER a point where you could fit both urshi and bascu on the same team

[sleek laurel]

"EVER"? Yes, but liiiike

It's really not going to be the ideal choice

I think I'd just use Flutter (personally would use Specs but SpA Booster is more common and standard on Rain) and make a call between Ursh or Basc

[rustic bear]

cool i will add flutter and use Basc

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[echo widget]

Alright, what all is wrong with it?

[random wagon]

first things first

there are no evs

fairy feather whimsicott is kinda useless since it isn't doing a lot of damage

grass knot is also generally too weak

you'd get way more value from the grass knot slot if it were just protect

i also recommend probably sash if you want to keep cloak on amoonguss (although i do think cloak whims is better)

also there are no teras i just noticed

so whims should probably be tera water / dark / steel, although i think water is best

[echo widget]

For what reason?

Your preference, I mean.

[random wagon]

i prefer water personally for pao

+still retains that positive ursh mu

steel is probably better though

esp into torn/flutter

anyways i dont really think sneasler needs to be here? it feels kind of out of place on this team, especially considering this team's reliance on tw for speed control (sneasler typically doesn't need tw support)

you are also stacking sneasler with urshifu for fighting type slot which isn't ideal

not too sure on exact replacements though

i think okidogi is interesting but will likely feel out of place too

probably throw on a landorus for now

baxcalibur is really interesting and i think its certainly viable

[echo widget]

T or I?

[spiral cosmos]

I

[random wagon]

incarnate

baxcalibur i think is best with swords dance though

[spiral cosmos]

If anyone says lando always assume I

[random wagon]

you can drop hhp or scale shot for this though

[spiral cosmos]

Baxcalibur is best sticking to reg H ngl

[random wagon]

well im trying to keep the key mons in tact with the team

since with rmts you don't want to just overhaul everything

like a few mon swaps here and there but typically you want to keep the idea there

anyways

baxcalibur should probs be tera poison / steel

i do like poison here bc rn ur options into scarf shifu + pao are kind of slim

incineroar can help with this which you have

but def run flare blitz as fire stab

err no fb actually

u really want parting shot

if u want flare blitz then drop taunt ig

yeah taunt isn't like the most necessary move on this team

as for tera

water for sure

grass could work too ig

roseli urshifu is terrible

[spiral cosmos]

Dropping knock off would be fime

If they want taunt

[random wagon]

i guess yeah

[echo widget]

Worried about Spore, TWave, and opposing Tailwind.

[random wagon]

you aren't stopping opposing tailwind with taunt incin

most if not all of tw users are faster

same with thunder wave

[echo widget]

Whim tailwind has priority. Forgot about that

[spiral cosmos]

Taunt incin shines into like, p2 ursa/tr comps

[random wagon]

^

anyways continuing on to urshifu

roseli sucks

id suggest black glasses / focus sash

or if u want a choice item set

[spiral cosmos]

Upper hand is also bad

[echo widget]

Would RS be better for this comp or nah?

[random wagon]

probably yeah

[spiral cosmos]

Yes

[random wagon]

with a mystic water set, surging strikes, cc, aqua jet, protect, and tera water probably