VGC Rates

[ocean lantern]

yeah idk

meta evolves

[frigid dome]

quickly

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/24a6da599325bcd4 im pretty confident in everything besides priority spam teams with chien pao

[sleek laurel]

Needs some EV spread changes and TR Imprison flutter is kinda memes

But for the Grand Challenge it’s actually fine ig

Cause it’s not something you can immediately counteract in the CTS environment

I guess it’s mainly EV spreads, but I’m kinda busy rn (and by that I mean, I am undergoing the process of getting my voter’s title LMAO) so I’ll get to you in 1 hour

Do ping me back by then or I might forget

[tight adder]

besides adding some more bulk to lando to survive icy wind from flutter idrk what else to really change

[tight adder]

will do

[sleek laurel]

It’s minor but some are unoptimized is all, and bet lol

[tight adder]

alright alright

[undone axle]

https://pokepast.es/49ecc236afc0fcb4 guys did i finally make a good hoopa-dozo team?

[drifting onyx]

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[frigid dome]

hoopa insnt legal in the current vgc formats.

[undone axle]

I know but I play mainly unranked

on vgc

doubles

[frigid dome]

that isnt vgc then? thats just doubles ag atp

[tight adder]

completly forgot to ping mb lol

[lavish nexus]

that's smogon doubles, differen thing

[sleek laurel]

And I completely fell asleep

My sleep schedule is ASS rn

[sleek laurel]

Landorus usually runs 196+ SpA and then 52 / 4 / 4 in bulk but max max is fine if you want to catch people w the extra power, it’s also missing 4 EVs anyway tho

Flutter is missing 4 EVs

Chi-Yu is fine, but it actually wants some more bulk, though I think optimal bulky spreads are hard to properly find
I like the 68 / 0- / 84 / 116+ / 4 / 236 one, EVd for Urshifu’s Tera Water Aqua Jet iirc, though you can realistically get away with less Speed in this meta but it’s not needed and there’s not much you’d like to go after

Tbf you can get away with this spread too

Rillaboom is unoptimized and you want more SpD for AV sets, my personal recommendation is 252 / 116+ / 76 / 0- / 60 / 4, which survives a Flutter Mane anything, a Sacred Fire from Entei (without Chien-Pao) and hits the jump point in Attack.

Ogerpon is a bit too slow I reckon, but you can probably get away with that if you value the bulk more, just make sure you’re always willing to commit to Tera with it against opposing Landorus because that’s a big threat to your team

[tight adder]

yeah the main issues i ran into were to do with lando and rillaboom so i’ll try these ev spreads out in showdown and see it makes my team better

i appreciate the advice

[sleek laurel]

Np

[hardy mountain]

so im back after a while and this is what i decided to use for EUIC, instead of amoongus i have the rillaboom for terrain control and double fakeout, now i want to ask for help. For rillaboom, should i change high horsepower > u turn and his fire tera to tera water, for flutter mane should i change perish song > power gem, for roaring moon should i change protect to tailwind, and for raging bolt should i change thunderbolt > electroweb for more speedcontrol and draco meteor > dragon pulse for more consistency? if i missed something i should also change about the team please let me know

[ripe turret]

your team looks mostly fine as is, I would go with tera electric over fairy on bolt

for the other stuff you mentioned I don’t think you should change them

tbolt is bolt’s most consistent move, you don’t need dpulse since with lorb you don’t lose anything when switching, and ddance moon should always be running protect

perish song on flutter is nice into tera grass dozo since that seems a little difficult otherwise

[hardy mountain]

for extra damage right

[hardy mountain]

what do i do against tailwind and tr teams tho

[languid light]

i feel like i cooked but idk sometimes a team just feels good early and then it fails https://pokepast.es/c711fe09c196dce6 i dont really know what my evs should look like for this kinda team so advice would be cool

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[ripe turret]

I think you might do better just dropping ddance on moon altogether now that I think about it

[ripe turret]

essentially

[ripe turret]

and just run a tailwind booster speed set

sunny day torn also looks good here

over moon

[languid light]

you can run a slightly fast taunt torn to stop tailwind

[ocean lantern]

i intend for the protagonists here to be the genies, and they would be coming to nearly every game. the rest help depending on the matchup

https://pokepast.es/c195fe7d2008c9cb

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[hardy mountain]

Why sunny day if i dont have a sun team

[hardy mountain]

And pls let me know why

[ocean lantern]

You got 3 past paradox pokemon, they all like the sun

You can also turn off rain

[urban steeple]

hey i wanted to create a team based on regidrago and i thought about this. i'm not really good with ivs and natures so i used the showdown's smogon analysis option as a placeholder. Can someone tell me if this is good and maybe give me some advice? https://pokepast.es/c86ce1f62793719a

[ocean lantern]

If you're gonna use smogon sets, take them from the vgc regulation you wanna play, or at least the general gvc sets if there's not one for your reg. Also, select the format in the teambuilder

[ocean lantern]

Just noticed it says that urshifu lives moonbalst. It absolutely doesn't, I just copied that line too by accident. And Taunt helps against slow tornadus too

[urban steeple]

I wanted to play the latest regulation (which i think is the f but I’ll probably be wrong) and also in general i wanted to know if the team was any good in general

[ocean lantern]

It's f

But those sets aren't even for vgc

If you go to munchstats you can see which pokemon are being used the most

Those are generally the good ones

There are also sample teams for reg f on smogon if you know nothing about the meta

[hardy mountain]

Alright ill try both teams and see what happens, 1 with moon and 1 with tornadus covert cloak taunt sunny day tailwind and bleakwind storm with a bit increased speed

[ocean lantern]

Most tornadus either run close to 0 or max and you won't be able to outspeed them. Unless it's some other mon you wanna outspeed, if it's that go ahead

[hardy mountain]

Not really, i just wanna outspeed other tornadus if i do decide to run him

So what evs should i use on him then

[ocean lantern]

28 is usually the highest speed for slow torn, before that it's 12 if you wanna risk it and run 20. But again, almost half run max so I would prioritize bulk and then put some evs into speed if you have any to spare

[ripe turret]

essentially you have bolt + flutter which really appreciate the sun, that can also help with your speed control because you’re proto speed on flutter

taunt also helps with TR

but tbh that’s kinda a lie because the TR setters are indeedee and farig which block prio and cress who usually runs mental herb

[ripe turret]

I just meant drop it for tailwind

if you need speed control

or go with sunny day torn over it

[hardy mountain]

ill try out some games with/without it and see how it goes

[ocean lantern]

Now running protect over taunt to help keep thundurus alive since protect is always useful

[rigid ore]

I need to make a team for this GC by 20 hours ago lol

Didn’t realize GC was this soon

[ocean lantern]

I was losing against tr all the time so I removed parting shot and added taunt on incin. Lmk if there's some other move I should have replaced instead of parting shot

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/db63f370920f2482

[drifting onyx]

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[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/a77b85044fddc2a3

I like this team a lot, it works amazing into any team that isn’t trick room but it is only trick room
That kicks my ass

[plain kestrel]

Sub on the lando

Stall out the tr

[sage jasper]

Why sub and how stall?

[plain kestrel]

Because if I lead my hard tr and you lead lando

You get sub t1 while I get tr t1

[sage jasper]

I put sear to deal with redirectors

[plain kestrel]

T2 you have protect lando and you still have substitute up for t3

T4 protect and you’re out of tr

[sage jasper]

I hadn’t thought of that

What about fake out from
Incin

[plain kestrel]

Lando kills like all the redirectors too

[sage jasper]

Would Urshifu then be a good lead also to bait fake out into it ?

It’s genuinely just trick room that’s an issue , they’ve been my only losses so far

[plain kestrel]

If you’re playing bo3 yeah cuz I’d sometimes value fake out to break your sash but that’s not the most optimal play

They’ll still fake out your lando to mess up ur sub

Your incin is fast as is

You only have this problem into farig and p2 stuff psyspam you can freely sub

Oh that’s right

Taunt on the flutter over sball

[sage jasper]

Wouldn’t I then go Tera fairy ?

And then don’t I lose coverage for other flutters?

[plain kestrel]

Yes

You need a bulky flutter spread

252hp 132 defence 4speed timid 116 spatk is what I run

[sage jasper]

What is that calced for?

[plain kestrel]

I just remember it living like mystic water surging

Which is good enough

Against trick room play into that snarl bolt as well

Mitigate that damage coming from them

Set up sub and stall with protects and snarls

[sage jasper]

Snarl bolt is great for psyspam

I just need flutter to ohko with blast , is it enough ?

[plain kestrel]

And for redirection stuff like taunt flutter annoys them but lando hits every redirector hard

[plain kestrel]

Flutter will never be able to not even with chi yu

That’s why people are running more support with taunt twave/icy wind

[plain kestrel]

ACC with chi yu they can get the kill on farig with snarl dazzling gleam if the farig has redirection support but that’s besides the point

Your team doesn’t have chi yu

[sage jasper]

Wait blast does kill Urshifu , what’s what I was calcing for

Not t room mons

[plain kestrel]

Oh blast always kills shifu you want to live shifu

[sage jasper]

Okay that sounds great , I’ll probably do that ,

And keep icy wind for speed

[plain kestrel]

Icy wind is your only way to control speed besides prio on bolt so just b careful gang

[sage jasper]

And that’s booster energy right ?

[plain kestrel]

Yeah keep the booster on fairy guy

And just go fairy Tera

I don’t like stellar Tera on shifu I recommend changing that to either dark for dmg or poison

Prolly dark is better since ur sashed

[sage jasper]

So I can spam wicked and sucker

[plain kestrel]

See like this team does bad into farig tr because you can’t just burst it down like flutter chi yu and you don’t have a safe way to set up sub against fake out unless your incin is faster so it’s not exactly consistent

That being said you can justify amoonguss somewhere here OR you can try ghost Tera on lando I

If you put the Gus you just drop the ogerpon and maybe change over to water bear

Cuz ya I can’t lie farig faster incin disrespects your whole squad your only line is taunt flutter

[sage jasper]

I tried amoongus but then lando messed wit me

Oger is great

[plain kestrel]

Lando messes with redirectors

Takes out all of them

Gus gives you slow spores if they don’t have answers it’s a team builder issue

Try ghost Tera I guess but just know you have to commit Tera just to get sub off and you’re not getting that extra poison stab

I think personally Id restructure to Gus waterfu over wellspring darkfu not only because you have tr problems but you also have solid ways to protect water bear from opposing bolt and rillabooms

[sage jasper]

What I probably would do is change flutter to fairy , taunt and sub on lando

[plain kestrel]

But you need sub and taunt on lando flutter respectfully

[sage jasper]

Outside of tr I’m good

[plain kestrel]

That’s the bare minimum

[sage jasper]

Might make my incin faster

[plain kestrel]

You’re fast enough no?

[sage jasper]

I wanted to reliably outspeed others

I like the sub protect thing

[plain kestrel]

Look up the fastest incins on pikalytics and speed creep the fastest common incin

[plain kestrel]

Yes it’s a meta thing it’s super annoying

They have to respect it incin has to fake it out

Either they lead farig ogerpon and redirect your taunt at the cost of a free sub to stall, or ogerpon can bonk your lando at the cost of no speed control

And if it’s fake out tr lead unless they have mental herb they get taunted

Change the lando spread

Timid 252 all day

[sage jasper]

Flutter ohkos with icy wind, can’t afford to lose a lando like that

[plain kestrel]

It doesn’t ohko no

Did you calc for singles or doubles spread damage means less damage

[sage jasper]

Oh wait you’re right

It doesn’t ohko okay I didn’t know that

Thanks for that

[plain kestrel]

Ill find the spread everyone uses hold up

[sage jasper]

Sure

[plain kestrel]

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 92 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 44 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Earth Power
• Protect
• Substitute
• Sludge Bomb

[sage jasper]

What is this for?

[plain kestrel]

Wait it’s wrong

It’s 84 hp and 52 spdef

It optimizes in being able to sub 4 times if you take no damage

With hp and the bulk I’m pretty sure it takes you out of some specific 2hko ranges???

[sage jasper]

It depends on the Pokemon I think

[plain kestrel]

Cloverbells can tell me exactly what it does

Ffs I gave you the wrong spread twice what am I doing

Let’s you live surging strikes post Tera

I guess I built mine incorrectly on a few teams

[sage jasper]

Ok I’m definitely doing sub lando

And the flutter Tera and taunt

[plain kestrel]

Cloverbells is the perfect YouTube coach he will explain ev spreads and archetypes very well I recommend checking him out

[sage jasper]

Thanks for the help, I’ll definitely see what it works for

[plain kestrel]

You can private dm me if you need further inquiries

I don’t get pings from this server

[sage jasper]

Say less I’ll shoot you a message if anything

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/136e5f642ff9d123 made some changes

[barren mantle]

mi ilusionaste para nada

[open perch]

https://pokepast.es/5f8ff5f654f26648

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[open perch]

I wanna keep the team but I wanna know if there’s anything I can optimise of improve

[ripe turret]

I think you can try out sub tera steel on lando

also for ogerpon you can move 8 EVs to its attack stat from its HP which will get it to the next nature bump

and also for incin you're wasting a few EVs

[open perch]

Where abouts?

[ripe turret]

you're running EVs in speed with 29 IVs, also for attack you're wasting 4

you're also wasting 4 in spdef

[open perch]

Thank you just sorted that out, is there anything else like movesets or tears at all?

Or anyone else ev spreads

[ripe turret]

everything else looks fine to me

you could run a different lando spread but if you like it to be max speed then that's fine

[open perch]

Yea why Tera steel over Tera poison?

On lando

[ripe turret]

essentially it's just better defensively

poison is more of an offensive tera that also works defensively

usually sub sets run tera steel

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/adcd22f789955894 guys ik I posted this team already but how can I make it less weak to trickroom? like it's playable but gets really tricky with a good player

[drifting onyx]

Hey @fiery plinth, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[fiery plinth]

whops wrong channel

[lavish nexus]

having issues against ground and fire, any opinions?
https://pokepast.es/41270f49d8c69ba0

[lament scroll]

use walking wake maybe? strong water type damage in sun

[pearl valley]

are we really using slither wing

[ripe turret]

yeah definitely just run wake over slither wing here

I think AV bolt is also better than lefties cm

at least here

because you don't have the necessary support to enable it

[pearl valley]

also what do you do against opposing manes

specifically the sash ones

i think icy wind flutter might be something to try cuz there’s no speed control present on the team

[ripe turret]

honestly

sash flutter is basically nonexistent in reg f

it's only sitting at around 3% usage at 1500+ glicko

and it only gets lower as you go higher up

booster and specs are far more common right now

[simple gorge]

i made a sand team and actually did some calcs for once. haven’t played the team, but refined the EVs for certain matchups i found important (lmk if you want to see them). i made this team specifically because i like Flygon, so it’s there over the usual Garchomp. please give me feedback

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Rock Slide
• Knock Off
• Low Kick
• Stomping Tantrum

Excadrill @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Rush
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Iron Head
• High Horsepower
• Rock Slide
• Protect

Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 100 Atk / 92 Def / 76 SpD / 156 Spe
Hasty Nature

• U-turn
• Earthquake
• Dragon Claw
• Tailwind

Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 204 HP / 116 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Power Gem
• Trick

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Earth Power
• Flash Cannon
• Protect

Gastrodon @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Storm Drain
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Earth Power
• Ice Beam
• Yawn
• Protect

[pearl valley]

aight this is my first big challenge in 3 weeks for draft, what should i do? heres what im going with so far: https://pokepast.es/7f9be2d7aaab12e3

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[simple gorge]

your opponent has a lot of pokemon that can learn taunt, encore or disable (Iron Valiant learning all three through TM)

I think not giving riolu an attacking move is a death sentence if anything shows up with those three moves, especially Roaring Moon with Taunt

i also think for consistency that you find an item that’s easier to get rid of than Covert Cloak despite its utility if you wanna use acrobatics as coverage

though I have little experience so take those with a grain of salt

[pearl valley]

riolu doesn’t need a damaging move

[simple gorge]

why not? if it gets taunted it’s wraps

[ripe turret]

with 70 atk it's not doing any damage anyways

the only attacking moves that you would really even use on it are feint and upper hand possibly

and those are used for support purposes anyways

besides they're both blocked by psyterrain

so you won't even be using them most of the time

I think running rain dance and then two sun abusers is a little weird though

[pearl valley]

strategies

if plan a doesnt work plan b

[ripe turret]

I guess

rain dance really doesn't help your team out at all though

outside of turning off sun

also I don't think acrobatics jumpluff is worth it at all

you're probably not losing covert cloak very easily, so you're just stuck with a 55 bp move from a mon with 55 base attack

[pearl valley]

i switched to psychic seed

its for hlil

[ripe turret]

?

they don't have hilligant

unless I'm very blind

(I could be)

yeah no they don't

also life orb heatran is kinda a fraud, trust me I've tried to use it before

[simple gorge]

https://pokepast.es/01c5a581870c8fa5
sorry forgot to put it in a pokepaste

[pearl valley]

i think you should consider landorus

over flygon

[simple gorge]

I made the team specifically cuz I like flygon and wanted to make a team with it

though I did consider having landorus, eventually switching it to Heatran bc of Rillaboom being a huge threat

[pearl valley]

flygon is too powercrept sadly

like

it has a base attack of 100 which really isn’t getting you anywhere

and tornshifu seems like a problematic matchup for your team

gastrodon helps sure but it doesn’t really do anything

[simple gorge]

yeah that’s understandable, I think I’ll have to accept flygon’s time has come and switch it to landorus

what set do you think fits it best for the team?
also I imagine tailwind is no longer the strat so we’ll just have to hope on outspeeding or get something like Whimsicott on the team

[simple gorge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2516597004-dua55vloodu5ske1tawvs4di1hvep5jpw
holy what a game

i hit a crazy prediction by

||switching Weezing into Garchomp to remove neutralizing gas and activate Rough Skin to chip down snorlax into poison KO range||

[open perch]

https://pokepast.es/7a915758a63baea1

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

isn’t this just

utrecht snow

but with icy wind instead of hh on a9

and different teras

[open perch]

I guess yea to be fair 😅 I was gonna put encore on ninetales as well

I was also thinking of glimmora as well on the team maybe

But then would it work?

I don’t wanna use a copy of a team is there anyway it can be made better or different

[open perch]

Maybe rock pon over water Pon? Or fire Pon?

Fire Pon and change arcanine?

[ocean lantern]

ive lost every single game against entei. im thinking of maybe switching shifu for the water form but i would miss out on sucker punch which is great priority

[ocean lantern]

im having trouble against trick room teams. i see 3 options:
-make landorus one point faster than urshifu to ohko redirectors with tera blast so urshifu can ohko farigiraf/indeede. lando would be frail and deal less damage
-lower urshifu's speed to lando's current, and then increase lando's speed by one for the same reason. lando stays pretty much the same but urshifu no longer outspeeds paralyzed booster flutter
-change waterpon to firepon, make it one point faster than urshifu so it can ohko redirectors before urshifu attacks. i would be worse into urshifu-r

which one would be better? or is there something else i can do?

[magic jetty]

Which one of these two would be more viable in Reg F (built mainly with flutter in mind)

I could pair bonnet with torkal as well

[magic jetty]

https://pokepast.es/669190eaa30d64d8

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[sleek laurel]

There are a few sets that need minor changes, but more importantly, I feel like this team is kind of bearing two half-teams in one

It’s got a balance core and a Trick Room hyper offensive core, which is a bit weird to mix together

I feel like the best way to start off is deciding whether you want balance, soft-Trick Room offense, or a Hard Trick Room team

[magic jetty]

I made it that way so I can play matches by ear, because some of the mons can conform to both and I could decide to play hyper offense or balance, but that might’ve been a bad idea?

[sleek laurel]

I think HO and Balance are too far off for this to work, but the concept is good

I think Offense and Balance are better in that regard

[magic jetty]

Thanks dir the help, I’ll try to fix that

[sleek laurel]

I can help some soon, sorry I’m just multitasking here

[magic jetty]

I’m in school right now so I can’t, but I really appreciate the offer

[sleek laurel]

Ah fair, just ping whenever!

I’ll help if I’m awake and available by then lol

[simple gorge]

https://pokepast.es/01c5a581870c8fa5
ive been told i should switch flygon for landorus, but i dont wanna sacrifice tailwind or give up my bulky pivot.
how should i change the team to address those problems?
lmk if you have questions about the EVs, i did some calcs

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[simple gorge]

(I forgot to switch it, Flygon is meant to be Jolly and not Hasty

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/6b32e51a75cbbac3

[pearl valley]

what do you actually do against tornshifu though

[simple gorge]

kms

I do have the tools im just not good enough at positioning to make them work

tera grass Heatran, gastrodon with yawn and Tyranitar for weather war to name a few

but they don’t full counter

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/23f448b0055357d8

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[sleek laurel]

Can probably try bulkier and slower Ogerpon because it’s mainly a supportive piece with Follow Me, the offensive presence is great but you want it to trade hits and apply pressure more than to sweep with it

But good team

You can also drop some Attack on Calyrex for more bulk if you feel like you value the rolls into opposing Miraidon and Calyrex-S better

But that’s all optional

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/136e5f642ff9d123

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

Reg I allows for two Restricted Legendaries, your team only has one rn
(There’re also some set issues but beyond that)

Do you have any other Restricted Pokémon you’d want to use?

[obtuse gulch]

I don't have any in mind but open to suggestions

[sleek laurel]

Most of the team also needs Major set reworks, I think if you want to use Kyogre

You can probably pick a Kyogre + Calyrex-I, Zacian-C or Zamazenta-C team

And try to learn it first before adapting to your will

[toxic pike]

https://pokepast.es/dda62a2c3a601371
If anyone has any suggestions to provide, please do. I'm most likely lacking speed control in this team. Tornadus has been hard checking me.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/489e9e0ac13a685c
all the speed stats are calced, wondering what i need to calc it to survive hits from tho

[ripe turret]

try out icy wind on milotic and encore on a9

icy wind is pretty obvious, and encore allows you to play mindgames with prankster mons

probably over blizzard and freeze dry respectively

[toxic pike]

Thanks for the feedback, I'll try it!

[obtuse gulch]

Added another legendary and adjusted the team leave your feedback please

[shadow crypt]

is this team fire

[azure yew]

Does Woger serve as a holistic counter to dozogiri?

I’m thinking about including it on some of my wilder structures as a good hedge against the snowdozo squads

[ripe turret]

it’s honestly kind of a fake counter

horn leech hits dozo for like 20% since its base def and hp are so high + the commander boost

and it can just spam order up into you

and if it teras you can’t damage it at all

[azure yew]

Yeah fair

[mental radish]

https://pokepast.es/41228b808eb35aab (VGC REG F 2026, SHOWDOWN)
Not really sure what Im doing but I tried making a team around Gslowbro
I am very new like only playing casually on showdown with only experience using Brandon Davis' Reg F Top 8 Portland team (https://pokepast.es/0a790cea85520934)
Open to suggestions and tweaks I just want to try making Gslowbro work. I just like G Slowbro :p

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

I don’t like the Bloodmoon Ursaluna here too much, and your EV spreads need some reworking

I feel like Bloodmoon is more of a TailRoom Mon with Farigiraf, and especially with the Life Orb being taken, it’s really being forced to fit in rn

[mental radish]

Yeah I wasn’t sure what to put there lol

I just went “trick room damage mon” and just put em on there

[sleek laurel]

Makes sense lol

Let me think for a bit tbh

Ok, tbh, considering this is Psyspam

I’m kinda tempted to take this to the Ogerpon-Hearthflame > Incineroar route and then replace Sinistcha with Flutter Mane and probably Hisui Ursaluna > Bloodmoon

Incineroar gets way less valuable in Psyspam teams because those are 1. Less reliant on defense and 2. You can’t Fake Out

And Ogerpon-H pressures Rillaboom way better which is a good niche (plus it still has Follow Me)

Flutter Mane + Ogerpon + Urshifu also make for a nice fast offensive core in matchups where you don’t want to use Trick Room

Beyond that, it’s honestly just a case of EV spread tweaking really

[mental radish]

Ah ok that makes sense

Yeah I think that accomplishes the idea I had in mind a lot better since having a complete offensive core like that works better

And then having just base ursaluna is probably just better lol

[sleek laurel]

@mental radish try this out

https://pokepast.es/c95f10cdaf649719

[sleek laurel]

Yea, you don’t really wanna bring Slowbro to every game

[mental radish]

Thank you so much gang I appreciate it

I’ll def be sure to let you know how it goes tomorrow when I get on the game again lol

[sleek laurel]

Np man

And bet!

[ocean lantern]

It's been a while since I first posted this. Any feedback?

[sleek laurel]

I’ll clear some pending rates in 2-3 hours, just woke up

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/fe103d730fa8e818 I keep getting told that this team is booster fluttermane food? is it😭 ? chien pao should be threating enough to make a comptent player know fluttermane isn't safe

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[primal estuary]

Help chat I made some homebrew stuff but idk if it's decent, I won and lost games with it, beginner around 1300 on showdown

https://pokepast.es/e9b7cb73b2b27769

[ripe turret]

imma be honest yeah it kinda is

paonite is super bad into flutter, rapid strike will die to it unless you train it to survive, and your specs flutter is highly susceptible to icy wind

also most booster flutter are trained to survive attacks from pao

[ripe turret]

this is a pretty solid rain core, only suggestions I have are to replace toxicroak and gambit with some more supportive pieces like incin/amoonguss/torn as well as some minor set changes (protect/detect on AV/scarf mons)

[fiery plinth]

is there any way to fix that?

[primal estuary]

Toxicroak is my fav so i kinda built to make him somewhat viable, gambit is what i saw as a flutter counter, any suggestion on what i could do if i wanna hang on to toxicroak? im open to switching gambit and moves etc! thanks for the comment

[ripe turret]

well I think just in general you need to get rid of some of your choice mons

you don’t need specs flutter, paonite, and scarf rapid strike on the same team

[fiery plinth]

probably flutter mane, pao synregies with ursh and dnite

[ripe turret]

adding some speed control could help a lot

yeah that’s fine

maybe just like

rain dance torn

I think that’s not bad

[fiery plinth]

is whim good?

[ripe turret]

I feel like torn works better here

since you can lead it easier

personally idt you need dnite here either, I’d replace it with lando

but

up to you

[sleek laurel]

Rapidstrike always EVs for it no?

Wait nvm I can’t read

I thought it was rapid into paonite

Wtv lemme see the team LOL

[sleek laurel]

Yea honestly seconding what Rain said, another option is to also run Rillaboom which is what a friend of mine who mains Psyspam did

You can try both lines tbh

[sleek laurel]

Gambit isn’t a Flutter check by any means because it doesn’t resist Fairy

It’s not a bad Mon here but I think Amoonguss is probably better because you have no Fake Out nor redirection

And Amoong Lando is also just

Powerful

[fiery plinth]

I did want to do something different since what rain suggested was literally just another team I have,
https://pokepast.es/7a894a7a506e23e7 this

[sleek laurel]

Sludge Bomb the Rillabooms and Earth Power the Safety Goggles Incineroars or Raging Bolts

[sleek laurel]

Don’t run 4 Speed Landorus

That was an extremely specific meta call for Reg I’s Utrecht event

And honestly should never have made it into the dex even for Reg I because it was

strictly for MDB’s team

You also don’t need 252 Speed Urshifu-R

Because there is no Calyrex-S, and the 44 / 4 HP Def benchmark is really good for opposing PaoNite

[fiery plinth]

wait a second I didn't notice that 😭 , both had the same spa investmenet so I wasn't focused, it's supposed to be this
Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Poison
Modest Nature

• Earth Power
• Sludge Bomb
• Sandsear Storm
• Protect

[sleek laurel]

Yes, run that instead lol

Happens

Meanwhile for Ursh, you can prolly do 44 / 156+ / 4 / 0- / 92 / 212

Otherwise team looks fine

[fiery plinth]

oh the smogon set

[sleek laurel]

Yee, you can also drop SpD or Speed (minimum 164 Speed) if Landorus-T is not a threat

To go up to 236+ Attack

[fiery plinth]

ok thx

[sleek laurel]

Np

[primal estuary]

Thanks for clarifying that, Ill try Amoongus for a bit, but i was struggling with Flutter before so we shall see, still struggle with it now haha

[primal estuary]

I do have fakeout on Toxicroak tbf, also do i run some speed on amoongus bc i dont play trickroom or do i just take fairly standard EV? thanks

[sleek laurel]

Missed that lol, but yea

Just the standard one

You want it to be a Trick Room answer too

[primal estuary]

ahh ofc ofc, so many nuances in making a team ;P one more question, you think i should run sludge bomb and change lando tera + move since i also have toxicroak, or do i run Pollen Puff on amoongus instead, im thinking the latter personally just wanna check

[sleek laurel]

The latter

Lando still wants Sludge Bomb

But you don’t need it on Amoonguss as well

[primal estuary]

I figured, thanks for the help friendo!

[sleek laurel]

Np friend! Good luck with the team

[toxic pike]

Tried making changes to Icy Wind on Milo and Encore on Ninetales but haven't been successful, any recommendations to check Tornadus properly? If I have to change something that's fine by me.
https://pokepast.es/dda62a2c3a601371

[ripe turret]

what kind of tornadus teams are you struggling against?

is it hyperoffense, bulky offense, tailroom, etc

[toxic pike]

Mostly Tailroom, whenever paired up with Urshifu I just insta lose, having a hard time with the variant with psySpam

[ripe turret]

ag

ah

for those matchups you want to be abusing wellspring

just like

[toxic pike]

Then I may just be doing it wrong

might be a skill issue on my part

[ripe turret]

kinda use your defensive tools (wellspring + milotic) to slow them down

[toxic pike]

So always commit the Tera on Wellsprings and kill the Tornadus asap?

Or just go for Urshifu instantly

If it's team dependent, fair too

[ripe turret]

hmm

yeah I would still suggest icy wind over blizzard on milotic

I think you don’t want to KO torn since that just lets something else come in for free

also, abuse protect

you have 5 of them on the team, 2 turns spent double protecting means that they only get 2 turns of tailwind to deal damage

(obviously ignoring urshifu but yeah)

what I think you should do is try to bait surging strikes and then switch into one of your resists

so you lead something like lando + milotic or wtv

[toxic pike]

Yeah I made the changes, wasn't on my PC earlier so I just copied the link again to ask again truthfully

[ripe turret]

ok ok lol

[toxic pike]

All right so I get this right, kill the Urshifu, focus on anything else than the Tornadus since it'll just spam utility

My team is tanky enough to tank a few Bleakwind

[lavish nexus]

you insta lose to icy wind flutter and a strong mid speed attacker

more speed control would be good

[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/fd2774101a05e628

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sage jasper]

Thinking either incin or arc

After swapping flutter to a more supporting set I felt like I was lacking damage and so went for the arc route

Would arc be the right way to go or is incin better

This is for IRL best of 3

Please and thank you

[wheat estuary]

https://pokepast.es/4a7650cb24541336 reg i caly-ice kyogre team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wheat estuary]

havent played vgc in a while i have not the slightestclue what im doing

[wheat estuary]

thinking of going miraidon or terapagos over kyogre if we switch it out

[sleek laurel]

Will check this out when I arrive at the subway train

[open perch]

https://pokepast.es/a0f890052014fb41

[ripe turret]

honestly this is pretty solid, I like torn over hands here since you are very lacking in the faster department

and I’d run rapid strike over single strike since it synergizes better with the rain

also I don’t think throat spray farig is worth running in reg i, I’d change it to the more supportive sitrus berry set

and then move AV to rilla

• use tera fire

[open perch]

https://pokepast.es/a0f890052014fb41
Thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

Is this the “I wanna use Regice” case?

[broken shuttle]

i feel like if you are gonna use it this team is fine

[sleek laurel]

Regi spread is misinput and you forgot a nature but ^

[broken shuttle]

the regice is just insanely slow for a tailwind team

[sleek laurel]

Or well, not misinput but you can prob optimize

[broken shuttle]

idr what it’s base speed is but surely you aren’t getting above ursh in tailwind with no invesy

[sleek laurel]

50 base

I think a good spread is 52 / 0- / 100 / 236+ / 4 / 116

Beats out Landorus in Tailwind and anything slower (so all base 100s), survives Urshifu’s CB CC with Tales Veil, explanatory spatk

[open perch]

I could swap to articuno to be fair

[sleek laurel]

Then it’s just the Nikhil team

But yes that is objectively a stronger version

[open perch]

I wanna make a team that’s unique but still has a chance of winning

I don’t want to just copy and paste a team

[sleek laurel]

Can I give you a hint?

Forget innovative cores

If you wanna use a team of your own, you should take a tried and true core and innovate in the specifics

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/7f53e0ca5f2564c7 guys is there a way to make some changes on this that won't turn it bad?, kinda got bored with it but I still like the main idea, just asking if there are possible tweaks I can do

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

use magnet bolt

trust

(unironically though)

[fiery plinth]

magnet bolt?

[ripe turret]

magnet raging bolt

or ig booster also is fine

over hearthflame

or maybe pao

to synergize with zama/shifu

lowkey if you wanna be evil run imprison tera dark zama

just to completely destroy the mirror

[fiery plinth]

ohhh interesting

[ripe turret]

honestly? not a good idea, but a fun one

[primal osprey]

My Regulation I team, feel like the shroom is providing no value, any idea what i could switch it/alter it with?

https://pokepast.es/fef3ea5f44c855ae

[sleek laurel]

I have this exact team with Cornerstone over Amoonguss

Brute Bonnet has also been used in Worlds (and won)

Team is tried and true and good tho

obviously we know my version is superior to that of the World Champion though!

(Contains irony)

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/e803c92d6330dba5

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[signal hinge]

Help on my team https://pokepast.es/4d36e8be7f033ca5:1.Ursaluna:Pretty. common build i think its bulky and hits hard with the orb, the ghost on itself is a defensive terra for cc

2.Urshifu: The terra stellar allows for it hit harder Throat chop i have To end farigraff or sylveon and the poison jab is to counter fairy types alone,The wicked blow is really good against gholdengo and stuff

3.Torn: Tornadus running taunt is very useful and stops counters on tricfk room or sunny day sweep,Icy win gives coverage agianst other geines.

4.Indede's surge is insanely good and i have trick room for an extra support due to indede being bulky,Light screen i just have due to an extra moveslot as it can do no damage anyways

5.Hatterene is really good in surge and trick room as stab e force kills nearly everything dazzling gleam is there to kill dragons

6.Tork is pretty common build with e power for coevrage

Ive found myself losing to chi yu/ urshifu r strike teams alot
Id apricate support

[shut copper]

https://pokepast.es/ff6a176c775deec0

Weird trick room team, need some suggestions on what to replace hatteren and pon with

I forgot farigiraf existed

[sage jasper]

Tera ghost or grass for hisuian arcanine band , can’t make my mind

[ripe turret]

either is fine tbh

grass for the resistances and spore/rage powder immunity, fighting for the fake out/fighting immunity

[hardy mountain]

hi, the fluttermane's evs are a suggestion from a friend but im not sure why he's built defensively if he's a choice specs attacker, should i run him max spatk and speed or somewhat else or just keep the evs as they are? heres the full team aswell

also im wondering, if i replaced the roaring moon with tornadus, shouldnt i run booster energy on 1 paradox mon?

[fiery plinth]

specs + perish song seems like an anti-synergy switch that with icy wind or power gem, the set in it SEEMS fine to me but I'd let an expert answer that

[hardy mountain]

perish song is for dondozo

i just need help with the evs mainly and the booster energy situation

[fiery plinth]

btw post that in pokepaste so it can ping raters

[hardy mountain]

https://pokepast.es/235635087bc07df4

[drifting onyx]

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[fiery plinth]

you have a sun setter+ bolt+ rilla all those threaten dozo it doesn't seem like a bad match up

[hardy mountain]

tera grass dozo counters tho

thats why perish is there

[fiery plinth]

bleakwind storm+flare blitz does decent damage, and if you're still worried about it give incin wisp instead of flare blitz to completely cripple it

[hardy mountain]

do you have any tips for flutter mane's evs or the booster energy thing tho pls

im not sure if i should keep the evs as is or change them to max spa and speed

for a sweeper

[fiery plinth]

smogon set has a set for specs flutter

[hardy mountain]

with maybe sunny day tailwind setup, helping hand dazzling gleam

[fiery plinth]

it's only one ik has specfic ev spread other then full spa spe

[hardy mountain]

hm, ill keep that in mind

thank you so much

or tbh i could just run booster energy on flutter instead of specs, not sure tho

[shrewd geyser]

https://pokepast.es/3b861c900864fa94

torkoal ev:
Survives Adamant Urshifu rapid (only ko with helping hand), Jolly Urshifu single Wicked Blow, and Modest Gholdengo Make It Rain outside Helping Hand

fluttermane:
lives a non protosynthesis spa boosted shadow ball, lives gholdengos shadow ball, still outspeeds/ties

amoonguss:
survives both urshifu and a +2 moonblast fluttermane

ursa-m
Survives: Adamant Urshifu single Wicked Blow, Jolly Urshifu rapid Surging Strikes(no helping hand/rain), and Modest Flutter Mane Moonblast

cresselia:
Survives: Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball
Gholdengo Make It Rain(boosted)
Urshifu single Wicked Blow (non-boosted)

iron hands is tanky and will survive anything (no ohko)

[quaint stone]

https://pokepast.es/3ab04fa90d53c054

Thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

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[quaint stone]

I really like galva :)

First VGC team that I actually put thought into after about 5-6 months of watching WolfeyVGC

[sleek laurel]

I’ll give this a more thorough check when I’m home and got battery

This is way better than most 1st teams ngl but it still needs some core reworks

But I’m on 3% and away from home LOL gimme an hour or so

[quaint stone]

no worries

[quaint stone]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2521312503
Here's a highlight match I got out of it.

[shrewd geyser]

.

[sage jasper]

Does anyone have any ideas on spreads for bulky Fluttermane , trying to use my own but not sure what the EVS have been

[quaint stone]

Just a reminder

[sleek laurel]

Home now, I need to think a bit here

I really like the Arcanine and Flutter Mane mainly, Amoonguss is nice too (but that could probably be an Ogerpon-Wellspring on this team)

You probably want to be a little more offensive

This team seems to have a lot of good Speed control but lacks most of the damage it wants to back that up

Special Attack-boosting or Specs Flutter Mane (probably Specs), Ogerpon-W > Amoonguss, Urshifu (maybe Urshifu-Dark too because you have Wellspring) > Kingambit and Landorus-I over Garchomp all feel natural, you can maybe do Choice Scarf Landorus-T too

But that’s 3 choice items which is sus

You can also do Chien-Pao instead of Urshifu to pair better with Arcanine

And make you less reliant on Speed control, I think that’s probably better tbh

Galv can then use Covert Cloak to get around Fake Out since you really want the Focus Sash on Chien-Pao

do note Galv is not a good Mon but I’m working with it cause you seem to want to use it, I assume that’s very self explanatory tho lol

But yeah, Specs Flutter + Sash Chien-Pao + Harc + Life Orb Landorus-I + Ogerpon-W is just a better and stronger core

I like your ideas tho, this is just a way to upgrade them for the current regulation

[sleek laurel]

Plus, Harc + Chien-Pao also gives you an option that doesn’t rely on Speed control if Galv is unbringable into any given matchup

[quaint stone]

I'll keep those in mind if I see the team not be able to go along with my skill level. So far I am only beginning and want to learn the basics with pokemon I am mostly familiar with from the last 4 gens.

Well, 5 but u get the idea.

Moreover mons I am familiar with

Not to mention I really do not like to have that many legendaries/ super rare pokemon on my team at once. At most it's gonna be one and two is pushing the envelope. But that's a personal thing.

[sleek laurel]

I mean, fair but

!nolegends

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

it’s kind of against the server rules to ask for assistance or a team Rate if your team has any arbitrary restriction to it that cannot be justified entirely by competitive means lol

[quaint stone]

Awe, my bad. I'll keep that in mind.

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/c69d3e750fa4657d

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/e803c92d6330dba5

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c0dd82e982971ce9 First time building around tailroom. Hows this look?

Oh god damnit

Incin, Farig and Ursa are all EV'd to outspeed max speed Oger inside tailwind
Farig is EV'd to survive a throat chop from chien pao
Urshifu is EV'd to outspeed timid 140 speed boost flutter mane

Ursa is also ev'd to go before Bolt in TR (non invested)

Tera Ghost < Grass here for Ursaluna, Urshifu, and Amoongus

[hardy mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2522001061 can 1 of yall pls explain why on that 1 turn the torkoal had the sun up and was super effective into my rillaboom but it only did 14%?

ill find the turn rq

Turn 3

[spiral cosmos]

Eruption scales based off HP

[hardy mountain]

does it rlly? bro i never knew that

i knew regidrago's move scales off of HP but i never knew eruption did

[spiral cosmos]

Thats like

The entire reason why torkoal is good in tr

Or good at all actually

[hardy mountain]

alr, thank you

[spiral cosmos]

Why didnt you protect raging bolt

[hardy mountain]

i was just testing for fun

[ripe turret]

if eruption didn’t scale it would by far be the strongest move in the game along with water spout

150 bp spread move with no drawback

[spiral cosmos]

"If hurricane was 100% accurate and had 500 base power and built in tinted lense it would be the best move in the game" yeah duh doofus

[ripe turret]

???

what does that have to do with anything

I was simply pointing out the improbability of the aforementioned event

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/639a052fc58afc9e

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

You should probably scroll up a bit before making this kind of comment btw

Rain was just adding on to Oliver’s question because he actually didn’t know of Eruption’s gimmicks

[spiral cosmos]

Im literally the one who awnsered the question wdym scroll up

I was making a joke out of an obvious statement

[sleek laurel]

Amoong is kinda mid in this kind of hyper-offensive structure

Especially since you’re relying on two offensive turn-based gimmicks

Probably Hearthflame > that for more offensive presence while keeping a redirection option, though that’s a known team

But if you’re using 5/6 mons from a tried and true team, changing the 6th is almost always gonna be bait

[sleek laurel]

it sounded really rude is what I mean

Wtv lol happens

[spiral cosmos]

Isnt this just crown psyspam with amoongus

[sleek laurel]

Yeah

But tbh using a tried and true core of 6 and then changing a single mon from the final product is

Almost always just a downgrade

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/4ce5eb3a65708e48 resposting this since ur here

[sleek laurel]

I like this a ton

I’d probably do Tornadus > Whimsicott for Rain Dance and better offensive presence with it

And Incin is Will-O-Wisp anyway

[spiral cosmos]

Whims is here for cm bolt

[sleek laurel]

But I’m very Bo3 OTS brained, if you’re using this in the Bo1 ladder you can get away with Whimsi

[sleek laurel]

Farig Bloodmoon doesn’t really struggle into that at all

[spiral cosmos]

I strictly play Bo3 OTS

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Not a fan of sash endeavor Whimsi in general then but it has seen success

It’s actually nice as a mon to like

Deter people from attacking it so easily or forcing them to double up into it

Or wait it’s encore Tect

I’m blind as shit LMAO

[spiral cosmos]

Yeah LOL

[sleek laurel]

Ok yea probably just do covert then

[spiral cosmos]

Its not a bad idea though you just put me on

[sleek laurel]

If you wanna keep sash

Then endeavor > Tect with Tera ghost is usually the niche

Sash over cloak without it is kinda

[spiral cosmos]

Originally i had protect -> fake tears for ursaluna

[sleek laurel]

That’s also very viable

But then you really want cloak

[spiral cosmos]

Main reason im sash is cause im running 252 spa 252 speed

[sleek laurel]

Because let’s be so fr, if you’re using Farigiraf to protect Whimsicott from Fake Out

Then what do you even threaten 😭

[sleek laurel]

Yea, I see it, but even then

[spiral cosmos]

Encore pressure thats really it

[sleek laurel]

Max speed is something I really like

Max spatk feels like bait compared to cloak + some bulk and fake tears

Especially since fake tears + anything from Ursaluna is just

Way better than a moonblast

[spiral cosmos]

Kills the whole tier

[sleek laurel]

And an unboosted hit from Ursaluna

Team looks fine tho

Well built offense

Tho some of your mons are missing 4 Speed, dunno if that’s intentional

Could be

[spiral cosmos]

Main things of note here are
-> Farig surviving throat chop from adamant sash chien pao
-> Farig and Incin being EV'd to outspeed max speed oger in TW
-> Ursa being able to outspeed 188 adamant oger in tw, and go before any uninvested bolt in tr
-> Oger able to OHKO most incin with ivy cudgel (assuming im at neutral)
-> Urshifu OHKO's most incin with a -1 CC
-> Urshifu outspeed 140 timid speedboost flutter in tailwind (and its still usable in TR, hitting 144)

[sleek laurel]

All looks relevant yea

[spiral cosmos]

I could probably optimize the bulk on ursa but its fine for now

[sleek laurel]

Thank you for running 84 hp tho

[spiral cosmos]

?

[sleek laurel]

The amount of times I‘ve told someone

To run 244 hp rather than 252 on life orb blursa for trick room

And invest the last points elsewhere

Because they’d be better off just burning the last 8 EVs, let alone investing it in spdef or smtg LOL

[spiral cosmos]

Im assuming thats to optimize LO damage?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

84 is the same

Number ends on 9

[spiral cosmos]

Let me see something rq actuallt

180+ Atk Ogerpon-Wellspring Horn Leech (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 152-182 (86.3 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

If i wanted to ohko it id have to use something that doesnt give horn leeches recovery

Sad

[dense nebula]

what pokemon are most common in the current meta of reg f?

havent played in a bit

[shrewd geyser]

https://pokepast.es/3b861c900864fa94

torkoal ev:
Survives Adamant Urshifu rapid (only ko with helping hand), Jolly Urshifu single Wicked Blow, and Modest Gholdengo Make It Rain outside Helping Hand

fluttermane:
lives a non protosynthesis spa boosted shadow ball, lives gholdengos shadow ball, still outspeeds/ties

amoonguss:
survives both urshifu and a +2 moonblast fluttermane

ursa-m
Survives: Adamant Urshifu single Wicked Blow, Jolly Urshifu rapid Surging Strikes(no helping hand/rain), and Modest Flutter Mane Moonblast

cresselia:
Survives: Choice Specs Flutter Mane Shadow Ball
Gholdengo Make It Rain(boosted)
Urshifu single Wicked Blow (non-boosted)

iron hands is tanky and will survive anything (no ohko)

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[jovial creek]

I wouldn't run bulk on sash flutter bc the sash lets you live everything

the rest looks fine

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/5685a4079784888e currently struggling against okidogi and also entei, idk if some tweaks could help with that

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[obtuse gulch]

Any opinions on this team?

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/a0ddab247d3e6b47

this fine for reg f

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[celest musk]

opinions?

I tried something different

[worldly cypress]

https://pokepast.es/85eb45f7cbbb5c59
Thoughts?

For reg F

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[worldly cypress]

My fav mon is Regieleki so I tried making a team around him

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/9f17807201e67afb

having some success with this team. at 10 wins 2 losses

typically lead icy wind + dragon energy

sometimes twave+dragon energy

[dense nebula]

The 2 losses are from the same team

Alolan ninetales+ offensive articuno

[nova spindle]

if your going to ask for help and want good help go through the top 12 styles of team or so, more or less being cm bolt balance, poa nite(Elizabeth team with zapdoes g the orthworm version of that or ting dozo with gouging fire howl stuff) can combine a couple thing into poa nite, welspring h arch t wave flutter farig balance like wolfs orlando or the blood moon team with farig he played in finals , cress luna at aron brocks toronto team, dondozo tatsu joeux9s gc team or kylans team from toronto, torn lando stuff both incarnate and lando t justin tang has a good version and breakdown roaring moon balance the stuff that just won toronto p2 amoongus incin its droping but still sees play, crown psy spam justin caris orlando team or the gc winners team with chi yu regidreigo gholdengo stuff justin tangs toronto team sun stuff cloak walking wake that type of sun and sun room hard tr like ben grismers team this is a very un centrilized meta were much can work but if you want to do stuff cool it should take parts from a archetype cool stuff in this format will fall into for example jack clarks team entei grim okidogi is roaring moon balance i could have missed a archtype oh snow both lando i and h arch and heatran lando t are good

then rate on how many positive match ups you have and its not like i have lando i and 5 water type i have a good match up in raging bolt also add points for fundamentals ie spe control having a good type chart and not stacking weaknesses

[shrewd geyser]

uh

wow

[dense nebula]

thats alot of words with no periods

[shrewd geyser]

Yes very hard to read

also

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/

is a summary

[dense nebula]

kk

[shrewd geyser]

and look at top 12 at regulation u want

[dense nebula]

ig i can capitalize on twave with gholdengo

rules say i cant post a replay unless its within context. would this context be fine

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/adf897a447dfe089
better?

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[nova spindle]

oh sorry im new to english only moved to Australia about 1.5 year ago

[burnt haven]

https://pokepast.es/220df76357eb4304 asdaf

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[burnt haven]

idrk how to play it though, any advice is appreciated

[light moss]

me and my friends are doing a mini tourny and i know 100% one of them is using a trick room team is there any team i can use to hard counter while being viable against normal teams?

if it helps i also know his exact team because i made it

its a vgc reg g

https://pokepast.es/c5b4e25651c64638

this is his team

[ripe turret]

the fake out brothers seem really strong here

especially since there’s no farig

[lament scroll]

but they have psychic terrain

so ice spinner?

[ripe turret]

rilla overrides the psyterrain

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/922f82614672223c

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[dense nebula]

isnt this just a sample team

swear ive seen it somewhere

[olive axle]

https://pokepast.es/023b0b5a2cb7d12a not sure if this is the right area to put this, but is this a good team (its the first one that i have a good time playing with)

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[jovial creek]

looks solid

you should be pretty well covered into everything

[jovial creek]

it doesn't look very good but if you are having fun then you should keep it

[olive axle]

alright 👍

[jovial creek]

if you want to keep some of the mons and change others I can help with that

[olive axle]

sure

[jovial creek]

I'd start by making arch AV and pao sash

those are the most consistent options, although you could try other arch items like specs

one of rotom or fez should probably be a scarf urshifu

and then I'd make torn cloak so you don't have to worry about faster priority messing you up when you try to tailwind

[olive axle]

alright ty

[olive axle]

rapid or single?

[jovial creek]

Rapid

It works well with the rain damage boost

[unkempt river]

https://pokepast.es/bbd4d9dc138dee15 tried teambuilding still new to vgc:)

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b0a84d7314307a9e

went back to basics

[lavish nexus]

it's a different take on a regional team, 5/6 of the same mons but they're all build differently

[ripe turret]

this is very solid, I would suggest replacing sneasler with incin since it finishes your FWG core and also looks really good here just overall

also run a different item on bolt (lorb/booster) and change gholdengo and bolt’s teras to water/dragon and electric respectively

[ripe turret]

the mons seem ok but you definitely have some odd set choices

incin is probably the mon that needs the AV the least here, you would do much better giving it to arch and running safety goggles

and also I’d run a different item on rilla and shifu (miracle seed/clam and scarf)

flutter seems a little out of place here too, something like landorus would work better in that slot

and I think sash peli with weather ball over helping hand and protect over wide guard is the better play

also unsure why you’re using tera water on peli lol

[ripe turret]

btw you could also make your EVs better on some of your mons, smogon has EVs for that already so I’d just recommend using those

[split reef]

hi yall

https://pokepast.es/25949aa9fcaaefef

anyway to make this better

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[spiral cosmos]

Please do not use smogon evs

[ripe turret]

?

I mean you could make your own but tbh the ones on smogon are more convenient

as long as you actually use the vgc reg f ones lmao

don't be taking singles sets lol

[split reef]

even those are bad

just use munchstats

[ripe turret]

calling them bad is a little bit of a stretch

but yeah tbf munchstats is better

the only thing I'm worried about with that is that different spreads are made for different items

[random wagon]

smogon evs aren't necessarily bad but the reg f ones rn are outdated

err not all of them but some

[echo widget]

I don’t really know why Pokepaste is failing, so I’ll paste the team sheet as pure text

[echo widget]

Nvm, fixed it

https://pokepast.es/5d04676aba24232a

[echo widget]

Any advice on how to make the above team less bad? (Urshifu was supposed to have Thunderpunch instead of Stone Edge)

[split reef]

im so lost

why thunder punch

im lost on everything

where is cc.

im so lost on this

anyone know how i should build around iron leaves in reg f

dm me since ima be gone for a bit too or ping me here thx

[quartz fjord]

I don't know if there's a better thread to use. I'm taking part of a custom event. It uses VGC rules, but basically we got randomly drafted pokemon and we gotta make the team work.

The mons I have are these: https://pokepast.es/f0d7f28d7b3786bf

And I'm considering the obvious Trick Room team.

There's no Tera or any other gimmick present, so it really is as it looks.

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[ripe turret]

yeah just run trick room tbh

you already have a solid core for it with bronzong + reuniclus

[ripe turret]

ooookay so uh I’m gonna be honest here

actually this team isn’t even legal to start off

since flying gem no longer exists as an item in S/V

but also on top of that, you just have a lot of questionable set choices

no protects anywhere

if I may, what were you trying to build?

because I think it might be better if we just scrap this team and try to build a new one around whatever core that you were trying to build around

[quartz fjord]

I'm at this spot and I'm up for any input on sets, items etc. https://pokepast.es/e076ae9bf6ce0bac

[ripe turret]

ok I’d run idef bpress bronzong here, and also I like the idea of having a way to manually set psyterrain for eforce on reuniclus

also rock gem does not exist anymore

lmao

I also unironically am in favor of harvest sitrus berry arboliva

and probably specs glaceon

[quartz fjord]

I hear you on the bpress, I low key already changed it as I pasted it.
Rock Gem exists on the event, so I'm low key tempted.
I hear you on psyterrain
Sitrus Berry Arbo with this or a different set?

[ripe turret]

with a diff set

and ok with the rock gem then lol

imma be fr I don’t know how most of these mons work since they are never seen in VGC

other than like bronzong and reuniclus

[quartz fjord]

Ye that's the reason I got so confused also, but I think it's forming to be something. Ty for the input ngl

[ripe turret]

yeah ofc

[quartz fjord]

https://pokepast.es/45a885f05367fec9 this what i got rn

[drifting onyx]

Hey @quartz fjord, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexdoubles team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[echo widget]

O

[lavish nexus]

you're pretty open against hyper offense since you have nothing for our of tr

also get kinda walled by steel, maybe run superpower on carra

encore on alcremie can help with tr stalling

[echo widget]

Basically punishing any and all switches in and out.

[ripe turret]

ok so uh

you want to be building around a certain core of pokemon, not an idea

so like for example building around chi-yu + flutter or farig + bloodmoon

[echo widget]

That makes more sense

[echo widget]

This was also a preemptive team for when Champions adds Megas again, for the Hyper Voice spammers. MGardevoir would still be a pain to stop from Psy-spamming, but I digress

[ripe turret]

ok

so yeah I would probably just scrap this team as it won’t work very well for this reg

as for champions we don’t know a lot of info about that yet, so it’s very difficult to rate teams

[echo widget]

Fair enough

[tight adder]

opinions on this regidrago reg f team? https://pokepast.es/00ec7725510c7879

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[lavish nexus]

defensive tera on drago is much more useful since keeping hp high is important for energy

draco gives you a better option for when it's about to die since you don't have to worry about the spa drop

rain dance on torn lets urshifu pick up allot more OHKOs

plot dengo is allot harder to do without a pivoter, maybe try incin over farig

[tight adder]

i can make most of those changes relatively easily but idrk if incin over farig works here since fake out/thunderclap are big disruptions

[gray wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/a74c7e1fb8dc95b6
is this a good balance team? its my first time playing the vgc format so i went online and saw whats good and got a good balance team but tweaked it a little bit with gholdengo. im not sure if im lacking in areas or not.

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[spiral cosmos]

This is the OTS version, please post the version with evs available

Also you dont need both parting shot and u-turn on incin
Go u-turn -> Knock off

I feel like that iron hands should either be switched out for rillaboom or just go AV over clear amulet

Also specs icy wind flutter being the best speed control you have seems extremely mid

[ripe turret]

clam hands is a real thing

but yeah gholdengo seems a little forced here

and the set fixes mentioned above

also lefties gholdengo is not as good this reg

[spiral cosmos]

I dont think its bad i just think AV or Rilla is better here

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/c9cc632914a81cfb

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[spiral cosmos]

Using an archetype i havent seen much and its my first time taking notes while i build

Hope i did well on this

[gray wyvern]

https://pokepast.es/c263693900534f60
sorry i know this reply is super late but here are the evs

[arctic hornet]

https://pokepast.es/982159d05b1c2d1c vgc reg g 4v4 doubles

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[sleek laurel]

I’ll get to all of this after breakfast

[sleek laurel]

I like most of this, but you forgot Tera Types, and I would heavily recommend changing Amoonguss to Farigiraf, especially thanks to the Iron Hands core + Fake Out protection and the fact that you can’t actually use Spore while Electric Terrain is active

Also, a few EV spreads need a bit of changing

But I’ll get to it a bit more specifically after I eat lol

[arctic hornet]

its a tournament withour tera

[sleek laurel]

Ah

Then I’d consider Life Orb > Choice Specs and Protect > Dazzling Gleam on Miraidon

Dazzling Gleam without Tera Fairy is just pitiful

[arctic hornet]

why protect?

[sleek laurel]

Because Life Orb means you’re not Choice locked

[arctic hornet]

oh right

[sleek laurel]

And then like, the Farigiraf suggestion holds true

[arctic hornet]

so farigiraf instead of amoonguss?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

And then Rocky Helmet on Incineroar for opposing Urshifu, since you don’t really care about Goggles thanks to Spore

[arctic hornet]

what held item on farigiraf?

[sleek laurel]

Electric Seed

[arctic hornet]

i see , bet ill try it

[sleek laurel]

And one last thing, take off 8 Defense EVs on Iron Hands and put then in HP

There’s a hidden mechanic

Or actually no, 16

[arctic hornet]

16 off?

[sleek laurel]

Because if your Defense is 132 or higher, it will mean that after Intimidate, your Defense is higher than your Attack

And if you get Quark Drive up after that

You won’t get an Attack boost

[sleek laurel]

Do 76 HP and 20 Defense

This is also why the SmogDex spread didn’t go past 20 Defense

But it’s like, an extremely rare mechanic so I get why you didn’t know lol

[arctic hornet]

damn that some sick knowledge

[sleek laurel]

Yea lol

[arctic hornet]

https://pokepast.es/31ff2ec8cdadbda8

that?

[sleek laurel]

Foul Play > Hyper Voice on Farigiraf to actually beat the Calyrexes

And then yes

[arctic hornet]

all evs good?

[sleek laurel]

One quick tip, Foul Play Farigiraf is insanely good against Calyrexes

Yeah nothing looks off with them

[arctic hornet]

ok bet ty stallsun

[sleek laurel]

Maybe the Farig could be like, a bit more physdef but with Electric Seed you’re fine, SpDef is also more valuable in G for it

And np

[arctic hornet]

can you help me with my other team? casual one (im playing cobblemon) lol

[sleek laurel]

I’m afraid I can’t really help with that one here

[arctic hornet]

like just ag

no teras too

[sleek laurel]

This server doesn’t really help with metagames that have arbitrary restrictions or availability limits

Like, even the no Teras thing was pushing it but I decided to ignore

[arctic hornet]

oh i see

[sleek laurel]

Cause it was like the only restriction

But dw

[arctic hornet]

ty (: ill lyk if i get top 3 in there lol

[sleek laurel]

But yea for future reference this is still pushing it, I was just like “eh idc I’ll help first and then tell them later”

And bet dw, would love to know!

Anyway now for the others

[sleek laurel]

Looks nigh perfect, just yeah, Knock Off > U-Turn on Incineroar

And then like

You can do 52+ Special Attack on Gholdengo, 156 Speed to beat out Max Speed Incineroar (real set btw if it’s Assault Vest) and the rest goes into Special Defense

This helps you with better rolls into non-Specs Flutter Mane

And opposing Gholdengo’s unboosted Shadow Ball

But other than that the team looks nice

[arctic hornet]

oh btw should i start with iron hands and miraidon?

[sleek laurel]

Probably not

The most common leads are gonna be Farigiraf and Miraidon or Flutter and Miraidon

If you bring Farigiraf, you want Iron Hands in the back

And then you Volt Switch with Miraidon as you setup Trick Room

This isn’t that linear, but it’s a very common line

[arctic hornet]

ohh i see bet

[sleek laurel]

Yea lol

Gl

[arctic hornet]

ty

[sleek laurel]

Npnp

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/9ca05b298fa56c19

[spiral cosmos]

@jovial creek pinging because i dont wanna repost this a third time

[jovial creek]

I think atales and roaring moon conflict in roles

Both are kinda speed control/damage control but they kinda step on each other's toes

Maybe its ok if you go sd ogerpon

Id try that

[spiral cosmos]

How so

[jovial creek]

They are both passive so I struggle to see a matchup where you'd want to bring both other than maybe the physical offense spam matchup

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[craggy talon]

This may not be good, but it’s funny
https://pokepast.es/456769a422900b97

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/0b9f4cebade1a4df
Messing around with this

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[sleek laurel]

Oh bruh my bad, I got to the others and forgot yours

But glad Bigfoot got to it

Just sorry for forgetting

[simple gorge]

idk if this counts as arbitrary rules but this is built around the Araquanid Entrainment strategy, where Araquanid can pass Water Bubble to a different Pokemon using Entrainment while also keeping it themselves
please help me w some feedback, but pls dont change the pokemon unless i genuinely have a better option
(Araquanid, Kyogre and Palkia are trained so that Araquanid outspeeds Kyogre in Trick Room and Palkia in Tailwind)

https://pokepast.es/268c23eca5dd8f66

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[dense nebula]

I think urshifu rapid strikes might benefit from water bubble. If it can even be affected by entrainment

[simple gorge]

it probably can, but removing unseen fist (which is the reason the attacks go through protect) is probably worse off for it if they can just protect then switch

[spiral cosmos]

I have edited the team since but would it be alright if i reuploaded it to get some advice on the edited version?

[vagrant orchid]

Zacian in the big 26
https://pokepast.es/7d25ee3900e24946

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[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/f7564b8c2e90bdf1

[drifting onyx]

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[dense nebula]

reg f messing with specs chi-yu

[jovial creek]

Incomplete teams go in #comp-general btw, but I would probably add urshifu-r, go twave over helping hand on flutter, and then probably go rillaboom in the last slot

[dense nebula]

oh bet

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/325e072becd51384

vgc reg f

[ripe turret]

go with twave/protect over hh on flutter, run dpulse over draco on bolt, and run sash urshifu-rapid and AV rilla

and replace stomping tantrum with fake out on rilla

also on farig I’d be focusing more on bulk than spatk

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/4b0dbd9ad660e1c6 been oscillating between a few different variants of this team that I made for some time now, I think this one feels like the best version but how does it look

most of the EVs I pulled off of smogon (since I’m too lazy to make my own lmao) except for incin’s which I made myself

[spiral cosmos]

Why are you jolly rillaboom

[magic spear]

https://pokepast.es/435929537e893e0a rate the team gng. What can i improve? articuno a hard matchup.

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[ocean lantern]

Anyone?

[ancient star]

https://pokepast.es/6b9a8ee71dc95e0d ?

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[pearl valley]

ima post this in draft too but heres my opponent this week, i think dragonite and pao will cook but he def learned from the last time we played

(my team is on the left)

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/76d385a655fe31ac

How's this

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[spiral cosmos]

They kinda dont have a way to stop coaching from riolu

Unless they bring fake out on ambipom

[ripe turret]

taunt torn exists

but yeah

[pearl valley]

last time i spammed extreme speed to win

[ocean estuary]

Took this team to my first ever local this past weekend. Didn't do well so I was wondering if anyone can help with changes I can make to this team.
https://pokepast.es/26b429f0ffa752e7

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[jovial creek]

Venusaur should be hisuian liligant to pair better with torkoal

[jovial creek]

You should pick either tailwind or priority spam to fully commit to with your team

then we can build out the team around that

[ocean estuary]

When I built the team, I wanted to have tailwind as my main form of speed control but figured I needed some priority for when I don't bring Whims or if my opponent matches tailwind. Are you saying this is overkill and I need to learn into one or the other?

[jovial creek]

yeah you ended up kinda split between the 2 in a way that doesn't work well

[ocean estuary]

Okay, so I want to go with tailwind, do I strip the team of all priority moves? I already only have the two extreme speeds but is that too much? I'm unsure how to find the balance

[vagrant orchid]

If someone could rate this team it would be very nice

[jovial creek]

I would say you dont need espeed

Stuff like sucker on pao is still nice

[ocean estuary]

Got it, thank you for the feedback

[spiral cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/06a933d9af925115 noticed alot of teams here havent been getting rated

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[broken shuttle]

yea this looks good, i feel like the only thing is you don

don't really need max/max on lando-i

there's not a whole lot in the speed range between timid and modest & the lando-i tie isn't very important really

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 132 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Earth Power
• Sandsear Storm
• Sludge Bomb
• Protect

you can probably keep tera ghost i just had poison on the one in my builder

[spiral cosmos]

Makes sense

[spiral cosmos]

Tera ghost is mostly for fake out stuff since i had ghold on the team before this

(Which meant losing heavily to incin)

[broken shuttle]

yea if you find yourself struggling into that it's fine to keep

fake out + CM bolt seems like it could be annoying for this if you arent ghost so

[spiral cosmos]

Does tera poison have some important ohko's or something?

[broken shuttle]

onto a lot of bulkier ogerpons & rillas you'll miss the ohko w.o tera

[spiral cosmos]

Ehhh

Im not too worried about those 2

[broken shuttle]

yea word

i think you could probably afford to drop protect on ninetales for encore here

it basically just autowins the CM bolt matchup

otherwise it seems fine to me

[spiral cosmos]

Alright, ty

Still though you GOTTA get some new raters in here

90% of the time its Stallsun and Bigfoot rating

[broken shuttle]

ppl (me) have just been busy w. irl stuff recently

[spiral cosmos]

I understand that entirely (im at school), js saying for the qol

[median oak]

https://pokepast.es/6ed88b52340d879c
Ive found and developed a swamp pledge team. *Notice this is an inspired team not original but I can fimd the blueprint team or its developer. Through testing and recommendations ive adjusted ev spreads and teras for efficient damage with neccesary bulk/immuntity. The psy seed on sceptile work well if scept lives to pledge. Be careful to not fall with upper hand bait openers that look for OHKOs like woodhammer rilla on prim or flare blitz incin on scept

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