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[sonic apex]

i'd really consider rillaboom over indeedee even otherwise miraidon just mauls it no questions asked

[sleek laurel]

^

True

[vagrant orchid]

Okay

[sleek laurel]

Also nothing here really needs Indeedee’s help in specific since Cresselia is immune to Ground

Ig CSR but

It’s strong enough anyway LOL

Rest looks fine, Sash Ursh is worth considering but you can get away with either in Reg J

Depends on how Band’s been treating you

[vagrant orchid]

If I close combat I'm gonna switch anyways so band has been pretty good for me

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s probably fine tbh since you’re hoping to put things to sleep

It’s a memes team ofc but it looks playable

As opposed to memes teams that aren’t even logical LOL

[vagrant orchid]

Like what?

[sleek laurel]

I mean in general

This is a fine enough team with the intention of working with a specific gimmick

As opposed to “hey I built this team around Oricorio and a Swords Dancer” (strawman)

[vagrant orchid]

Lol

[sleek laurel]

Tldr post changes, this looks as fine as ur gonna get lol, gl with it

[vagrant orchid]

Thanks

Also if you were to give a rating from 1 to 10 what would you give it?

[sleek laurel]

In the grand scale?

Like 5-6

It can definitely win you games in the Reg J ladder

[vagrant orchid]

That's pretty good for a gimmick team

[sleek laurel]

It’s not good against strong/acknowledged players but yes

It can definitely win in mid ladder in this environment

[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/ed63cb9bd7cb8de7

I have flare blitz on incin for amoonguss instead of parting shot

I would put parting shot but how would the rest of my team deal with amoonguss

Was considering taunt on landorus instead of sandsear storm if not and put parting shot back on incin

[safe imp]

u could just replace wellspring with offensive hearthflame btw

follow me redirects spore and ur immune to it naturally

if he doesn’t wanna waste tera on moonguss u pretty much kill with tera im sure

also since ur Rocky helmet u could effect spore to punish users like urshifu even more with rage powder

amoonguss next to landorus incarnate is amazing btw

[sage jasper]

And then how do I deal with lando

Cause I did have hearthflame before

But then lando I kept rolling me

Tera oger does kill lando

That would be the best play no?

Since I’m running max speed it always outspeeds lando

[lavish nexus]

you could run taunt incin for that, also means you don't need goggles so you can use sitrus berry, also you're missing 4 EVs on flutter

[sage jasper]

Thanks for Fluttermane

Then what do I replace

For incin

[lavish nexus]

i mean, ive replaced flare blitz for it myself but im also running fire pon so i have another good fire type move

[sage jasper]

But that’s the thing

Right now I have fake out

Will o wisp

Parting shot

Knock off

I cannot replace will o wisp since because of it I have never lost to e speed sword of ruin

It completely shuts them down

[safe imp]

252 SpA Flutter Mane Icy Wind vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus: 156-188 (95.1 - 114.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO, however some people run 252 hp 132 spdef lando to be 2hko by icy wind

252 SpA Tera Stellar Flutter Mane Icy Wind (60 BP) vs. 252 HP / 132 SpD Landorus: 176-212 (89.7 - 108.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO u can always run tera stellar, ur partner can deal with lando later like incineroar fake out

if opp lando still has tera available poison is most likely which ur own lando can deal with since ur running fast strong lando

[sage jasper]

I will probably switch to stellar

Thank you !

I already do have oger in my team

Just need to get my specific calca ready since I’m not running a standard bolt EV spread for AV

[hot hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/b48131973a336439
thunder punch on dragonite to cover for urshifu rapid and tornadus

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[granite basin]

4 hits scale shot actually does just as much to those threats, espeed is a necessity and you prolly should go banded but at least espeed would allow for a much beterset

[pearl valley]

oh yeah riolu, dragonite, raichu alola, and clefable are in back

[tawny grove]

anybody got and ideas to build around noivern, scizor, and glowking? im making a voltswitch team but need to fill the team out

[real cedar]

was Fletchinder taken or did it cost 2

[ivory linden]

3, actually

[ivory linden]

Id assume their bringing arch, poli kindra and rilla or sneasler for obvious reasons

[uncut cargo]

https://pokepast.es/0814aa7c1ef9c782

Maybe it's too much"Good Stuff" ngl

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[broken shuttle]

the flutter & bolt sets need some adjustments

sash flutter genuinely just isn't good, you get more out of bulky specs in most situations

draco on cm bolt is also a no-go, can't have the mon you want to be boosting dropping itself, especially something like bolt that just wants to stick on the field for a while

you also seem very amoonguss weak

your incin should be safety goggles + tera water/fairy over grass + sitrus

everything else should be fine

[thin narwhal]

https://pokepast.es/4afac3a9c6f0dbb9
any suggestions?

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/d75a16059bf5997f roast me

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[sleek laurel]

Psychic and Tera Dark > Draining Kiss on Calyrex-S and run more SpA (the bulky spread is outdated)

There, I roasted you

Because there’s nothing else to roast about this team 👍

Memes aside this is really good although it does look like extremely standard

But it’s pretty tried and true so idt you can go wrong with it

[sleek laurel]

Tbh you could even keep the Draining Kiss set if you see yourself clicking it but that feels kinda mid in Double Restricted altogether

Though I’m not sure about the J ladder, it can deffo work anyway

Still, run more SpAtk tho lol

Either 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252+ Spe or 28 HP / 228 SpA / 252+ Spe

[fiery plinth]

why psychic specfically? does it hit a certain mon or something?, also I was expecting roasting since this like my second time making a vgc team the first one was in vgc d I absolutely have zero idea of what I'm doing, anyways I thought draining kiss was better to deal with dark types and some healing to lb chip

[sleek laurel]

It’s just strong STAB damage and usually Zamazenta covers every Dark-type in the game well enough

But DKiss is viable still

Just make sure ur actually clicking it cause you really need Tera for it to work

Team is good tho, just the SpAtk thing is noteworthy and the set is just a consideration element

[fiery plinth]

btw ik you said the team is good but what's the mon or mons that can be problem?

[sleek laurel]

Koraidon teams are somewhat problematic, usually those are harder matchups for Zama CSR

Koraidon + CSR is a little worrisome

[fiery plinth]

ye I can see that, although incin should be able to burn it with fake out+ follow me support, if it teras to something like fire, urshifu should do the job

[sleek laurel]

Yea that’s usually a good trick

[fiery plinth]

I guess it generally boils down to the player skill, even if the team is the best it can be bad play will make it mid, anyways thx for the help

[sleek laurel]

I mean that’s like

The essence of every game ever

Lol

But np man gl with the team

[fiery plinth]

ye let's hope my dogshit rng doesn't follow me here too

[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/25d031dbab2208d8

how does this team deal with cresselia and ursaulna in TR (guts facade ursa

[safe imp]

Tbh u could drop lando if u feel flutter mane fits as an offensive spatker, and replace it with urshifu rapid strike since ur team has all the support for the guy, and ur lacking physical offense so he would be probably really good for them, if not dark urshifu can prevent both farigiraf and cresselia from setting up tr, and kill ursaluna anyways and ur missing 4 evs on flutter

If u think landorus fits ur team a lot i would just keep it and replace one of ur support (looking at amoonguss) for shifu

[sage jasper]

this is interesting

maybe replacing amoon might be the call

just that lando does work for gouging fire and sun

since i dont have a water type attack you know

gouging fire and raging bolt

lando is their counter and has done the most work

would you recommend urshifu dark over rapid since i cant deal with those tr settets

i might want to put taunt

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/435fecfa813bf353 been surprisingly having a ton of fun with this team

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[ivory linden]

Was meant to be made around raichu, but generally i think Lunala is the MVP most times

It puts in so much work

Raichu could def use a different set though

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/4f0c74e3e9c65e58 accidentally posted OTS

[safe imp]

urshifu dark definitely, however rapid can deal with a lot of things but it gets debuffed and buffed in weather so u can’t always rely on it, but ur struggling with tr so id pick single over rapid

[sage jasper]

thats what i did

[safe imp]

As for gouging fire and rbolt, id keep Lando if ur struggling that way

[sage jasper]

won 4 games so far

lost none

thanks for the tip it helps a ton

[safe imp]

nice! Happy to see it work and np

[sage jasper]

i did a small tourney

went 12-2

just lost to tr

so thisll definetely help

[safe imp]

rip but nice run though

[sage jasper]

ppreciate it

[ivory linden]

@safe imp could u help me

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/fb1b93ab16133479 had some trouble against a lot of ekiller, raging bolt and ursaluna teams

[safe imp]

sorry i was afk, sure let me take a look

[safe imp]

Tbh the raichu gimmick is really niche and regileki with rising voltage is just better, also if u want train u can train incineroar more in spdef so that it survives tera electric specs miraidon which is pretty common rn, and u can tank more astrals from csr, also if the speed evs for ursa aren’t calculated i would just make it very slow so it can be optimal in trick room since its not outspeeding most mon anyways, unless u want to make it work in tailwind of course

[ivory linden]

Thats what the speed evs were for on ursaluna yeah

[safe imp]

Ic then keep it as that

[ivory linden]

Could i go RB over raichu here?

Or hands

[safe imp]

Yeah, but rbolt is pretty slow

[safe imp]

hands works pretty well with terrain and trick room

u could use fake out support as always

av hands is good on the team, also if u feel like incineroar doesnt last long u could always give it sitrus

[ivory linden]

This is reg J

Caly is everywhere

In short, no

[safe imp]

have you tested the team yet? If u could tell me what u struggle with i can optimise your choices

[ivory linden]

With raichu yeah

Generally does well into any teams without rilla

[safe imp]

I feel like raichu won’t be consistent honestly really niche pick

[ivory linden]

Indeedee is less of an issue

[ivory linden]

It isnt

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1393718069091766433.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=dorobald

Sometimes it gets the job done other times it does fuck all and dies

Having a bad MU into incin doesnt help

Maybe i get rid of nasty plot

[safe imp]

you could always go firepon support instead of raichu

[ivory linden]

Gonna make a copy with AV hands and one with raichu

[safe imp]

hits rilla hard and uses follow me next to miraidon

[ivory linden]

Well i only struggle with rilla when i bring raichu (so usually i just..dont)

[safe imp]

i see

[ivory linden]

Im not super confident in my ability to win terrain wars, which is the main issue

[safe imp]

U could bring cir instead of lunala but I bet lunala keeps the team together

cir can basically wipe other teams that rely on terrain

[ivory linden]

Lunala is the glue of the team tbh

Even more so than miraidon

[safe imp]

u could just drop the terrain thing and make a dedicated trick room team lol

[ivory linden]

Im not the biggest fan of hard TR

Or hard tailwind

[safe imp]

but raichu feels very niche I’d be suprised if you made it work on 70% of your matches

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/6d42a7e0d00273eb

tried building around firepon, i had a team with that same set but this new one covers for allot of the issues i had with it

[solar kayak]

https://pokepast.es/9edaaf6bd55c890e recomendations for my team owo?

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[pearl valley]

this team gets kinda cooked by flutter mane

if its alone its already very problematic but next to ogerpon yea you’re cooked

[ripe turret]

how does this get cooked by flutter

gallade is a kinda weird pick in reg f

your hatterene also has no EVs

but the mons in general are fine

[pearl valley]

literally half of the team is weak to it

and chi yu doesn’t help that

also you shouldn’t run 252 252 4 sets on supportive mons

[ripe turret]

well yeah but the nature of the team makes it essentially a non-issue

it's a HTR team after all

and yeah the EVs are kinda wonky

[pearl valley]

and also they have a really hard time damaging it

like

barely any physical attackers

and both get clapped by moonblast

[pearl valley]

i take this back

i also think this team could use a bear

similar to this team https://pokepast.es/0a790cea85520934

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[pearl valley]

oh fuck i accidentally indirectly pinged a bunch of people

[velvet cove]

https://pokepast.es/0defe6af8823cbe4

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/5a3765b02a7da35e

Building this new team for the new F reg coming up next month. It's working decently well with a few bumps and I'm thinking I should replace Alolan Ninetails, maybe for a poison type or someone who can learn poison type moves. If there are any suggestions for changes that would help.

[ivory linden]

Why do you want to replace atails

[tall trail]

I haven't been able to use it to it's best potential+ I think with my team there may be no need for it's support. A lot of the teams I've tested against have also used whether to strengthen them which makes it harder to set up aurora veil

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/959632eebeb852ca looking for a replacement for volcarona, it's mainly there for csr zama balance teams and pagos but I don't bring it at all to other mus and there are a fair bit of csr zama teams running cornerstone which is pretty problematic for it, I did hit top 100 with this team on ladder almost never bringing volc so I'm pretty happy with the other 5 mons though

[pearl valley]

terapagos is like

non existent in the meta rn

you could try a pokemon that synergizes well with calyrex ice in trick room

[ripe turret]

I did try going that route initially with ursaluna, but I found that most of the time I didn't need it

I mainly use TR against faster-paced teams (shadow rider, koraidon, etc.) so most of the time cir, incin, and urshifu are enough to delete teams inside of TR

[pearl valley]

i mean you said you dont need volcarona a lot already

[ripe turret]

well yeah

but like

[pearl valley]

maybe try amoonguss?

[ripe turret]

I don't want to replace a non-needed mon with another non-needed mon lol

amoonguss is interesting

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/208499cf0de8efbc kinda confused on what to put in the last spot, maybe incine?

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[ripe turret]

incin looks good there, I also think cornerstone can fit

or iron hands tbh

also I'd recommend investing a little in ursa's speed so you can use it in tailwind

[fiery plinth]

how much exactly

[ripe turret]

hmm

personally I think 85 is a good benchmark

but it really depends on what you want

85 outspeeds timid lando in tw

and is faster than most base 60s

[fiery plinth]

so I need to not use a speed lowering nature?, also which stat i should take the evs from?

[ripe turret]

probably spdef

its calc is the least important

since pagos is essentially nonexistent in reg i

actually

you don't even need to hit 85 if you don't want

simply by shifting the spdef points into speed you hit 79, which underspeeds base 60s that aren't intentionally lowering their speed

and it still outspeeds modest lando, adamant ursh, etc

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/ecd911f6a5412bfa better?

[solar kayak]

flutter nane is nice but the hab of chi yu is more valiosus to make more damage in or out of tr

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/de1a88bae484bf52 rayquaza team ive been wanting to try

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[ripe turret]

set your speed IVs to 31, not 0 on ursa

incin doesn’t need goggles since you have eterrain, go with AV, flare blitz>wisp, and u-turn>parting shot (and change the EVs to match the AV set on Smogon)

[fresh vortex]

https://pokepast.es/e39f34040e4f4bfb first time ever trying to build a comp team

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[ripe turret]

which format is this for?

mons like politoed, kingdra, and araquanid are unviable in the higher power levels of regulation f, but urshifu-r is banned in regulation h where your other lower-power mons are more viable

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/5a3765b02a7da35e

Can anyone help with my team (thinking of removing Alolan Ninetails for a bulkier pokemon

[pearl valley]

ok so first of all dragonite is not really that good without sword of ruin

and multiscale is kinda bad in this format with all the high speed demons

you could go flutter over a9

another thing

incineroar and chi yu are bad on the same team

well not bad but they aren’t as good

that urshifu really needs a scarf or a tailwind setter

you could try tornadus over dragonite

[lucid sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/a32ca0c64b8f2776

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[fresh vortex]

F

[fresh vortex]

only knew F was the current ruleset

[ripe turret]

ok ok

so it looks like you’re trying to make a rain team which is cool

that being said neither of the automatic rain setters are really that great in this format, and the best rain setter is actually tornadus

[rocky briar]

rain

[ripe turret]

couple that with the fact that the rain mons that you would use in reg h (archaludon, basculegion, kingdra) are much worse in the higher power level of reg f, and it means that rain is used as less of a core strategy and more as a side strat if you know what I mean

archaludon is really the only mon out of the three that’s even usable in reg f

[fresh vortex]

Ah okay that makes sense. So pivot the team to something less rain focused?

[ripe turret]

I would recommend it, if you really want to play rain you can technically still do peliarch stuff but it’s much less viable imo

[fresh vortex]

Gotcha I’ll have a look for alternatives

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/5242194b16a69342

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[tall trail]

I don't think I want to get rid of dragonite but I may get rid of Icineroar. Maybe I'll change dragonite from loaded dice tho

[tall trail]

This may sound crazy but I could make dragonite into a tilwind setter

[ripe turret]

if you want to keep dnite I’d replace a9 with torn

it fits really well here

I’d also consider flutter over urshifu here

[tall trail]

okay

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/e0ff2f55ee74d072

originally used torn, but feel like this works better

eerie impluse can completely shut down an end game

[fresh vortex]

https://pokepast.es/258ad741f48991de

[pearl valley]

dragonite needs chien pao

else it can’t really do much damage

[velvet cove]

not allat good at vgc but

https://pokepast.es/96629d1bf53a77a5

scarf indeedee male seemed like a cool strat

idk if it is unorthodox compared to trick room indeedee female but i think it has a niche

mainly i think i just need more of a defensive core? but im unsure

i like the core of the first 3 mons but

idk abt the last 3

[ripe turret]

this looks solid, I would consider replacing pao with incin and there are a few small things with EVs, but everything else is good

also I’d try out scarf over mystic water on urshifu

[fresh vortex]

I'll try m water for a bit then try scarf, see what I like. If you could explain the EVs thing i'd appreciate it, I don't think I've fully wrapped my head around that yet

[lucid sequoia]

^ for reg set f

[ripe turret]

I mean most of your spreads are fine, there are just a couple small things

first of all arch probably wants some more bulk

you could run 36+ for spatk and move those extra points into spdef

second amoonguss probably doesn’t need speed or spatk investment, the standard spread is 236 236+ 36 which lives adamant icicle crash from pai

pai

pao

and lastly the lando spread you want is 132 0 4 116+ 4 252, this ensures that you live a tera water surging from urshifu after teraing to poison

it also hits the second bump for the nature and is as fast as possible bar timid

I think for torn also you probably want tera dark since you are running a bulkier set

so you can avoid prankster taunt from faster torn/whims

[ripe turret]

the mons look solid, I’d just make a few set changes

psychic>eforce on farig, it just hits harder and protect>light screen since it’s not fast enough to set it up before most opposing attacks, you can also tech on roar instead which I personally really like but you probably don’t need it here tbh

spiky shield>hh on wellspring, you need a way to protect with it

lorb>silk scarf, tera normal>ground, and hyper voice>cm on blursa, usually you’re not gonna get a chance to set up so these changes make it much more immediately threatening offensively

for bolt either run protect>thunder and switch to leftovers or run protect>cm and thunderbolt>thunder (trust me the accuracy is way more worth it than the higher bp)

also the EVs need some work here

I can send over an updated version once I get home if you’d like

[ripe turret]

I do like the look of this team, I’d run some more bulk on thund but nothing else really sticks out to me at first glance

[ripe turret]

I don’t want to say that setup ape is unviable in reg f, but it’s definitely very hard to make work

if you want a different fighting type that works better with your team you can try urs

I’d also run protect>u-turn on maus and change to wide lens pop bomb if you replace ape

and miracle seed>covert cloak on rilla

also one thing with the EVs, change rilla’s to the miracle seed set cuz rn you’re using the AV one

[ripe turret]

I like the concept of this team

is there anything in specific you’re struggling with?

and also there are a few IV things

[velvet cove]

wdym

if u mean evs im just using smogon sets

[lucid sequoia]

I might be overthinking but I figured expanding force + thunder over t-bolt were okay as I could hopefully throw off other teams (so psych terrain and rain teams i'd be better against)/lh

[ripe turret]

like lowering the attack IVs of your special attacking mons

[velvet cove]

oh

yeah

[ripe turret]

the thing is that with eforce you’re using it into resists anyways

[lucid sequoia]

If you'd be willing to send an updated one that'd be awesome!

[ripe turret]

and the higher base power of psychic is more impactful generally

with thunder the problem with running it is that you don’t have a consistent electric type move

[velvet cove]

i swapped raging bolt for shifu for better matchup into opposing psychics and darks and lando-i instead of wellspring really for incin

lando-i is pretty swappable tho

[ripe turret]

tclap only works if they attack, and thunder’s accuracy is pretty horrible

[velvet cove]

shifu is good here tho

[lucid sequoia]

That makes sense, I didn't really think about that

[ripe turret]

I think my main concern here would be against HTR

[velvet cove]

what is htr

[ripe turret]

hard trick room

[velvet cove]

o

how would i counter that

[ripe turret]

since your entire team is very fast

uhh

well a couple ways

you could run imprison TR sash indeedee

replace flutter with a more defensive mon

[velvet cove]

ic

[pearl valley]

There’s taunt flutter mane

[velvet cove]

rn im running

taunt on my shifu

https://pokepast.es/8bdf312fbc2a5709

[pearl valley]

You could try a more supportive set on flutter mane

Urshifu also feels kinda slapped on here

You have sneasler and you can’t use one of urshifu’s best moves

[ripe turret]

yeah urshifu is not needed here

[pearl valley]

i was thinking a taunt icy wind flutter mane set

seeing the very limited speed control here

[ripe turret]

to be honest

I don’t think flutter is really needed here

you already have enough special damage

[pearl valley]

also indeedee f is better on these types of teams

[ripe turret]

and while there is no tailwind or TR, there’s unburden sneasler and booster crown

which are already very fast

[pearl valley]

yea and then theres sash tera ghost pao which seems like a decently big problem

spinner removes terrain

[lucid sequoia]

https://pokepast.es/1b3e60587ccc69ce (Still reg F)

I fixed some of the things and switched tera's around, I did a bit of EV changing but how does it look now?

[pearl valley]

and then there’s rillaboom

pao is aleady hard to break but this team got nothing on rillaboom

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/04c534ee49909b5a here

explanations for EVs, most of them are the ones suggested by Smogon with slight variations for wellspring and bolt

wellspring outspeeds timid lando, survives AV rilla's wood hammer in terrain, and OHKOs bulky flutter with tera

bolt lives moonblast from modest max spatk flutter

[lucid sequoia]

Is there any specific reason why your team runs bolt with draco meteor rather than d-pulse?

Also tysm!!!

[ripe turret]

just more immediate damage tbh

you can also run dpulse if you want a more consistent option

[lucid sequoia]

That makes sense, I think i'm just used to slower-paced battles where I can set-up and etc, I'll keep it and see how I like it, can always switch back later

[tall trail]

Then who should I replace dragonite with

[tall trail]

Originally this team was made around Hisuian Goodra but I couldn't really figure a way to make it out

[ivory drift]

Wanting to get back into it.
Reg F is the curremt regulation for the ladder right?

Needing some ideas for my boy Grimmsnarl.

[ocean lantern]

Alright ty

[lilac glen]

https://pokepast.es/6975d8aab3f851d7 can someone rate my team and give me suggestions for 6th pokemon slot

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[lavish nexus]

torn wants to be running either sash or cc, it gets shutdown too easily otherwise
sludge bomb with so little EV investment doesn't really do much, you'd prefer pollen puff
you don't benefit much from sunny day

for a 6th slot, try AV rilla

[last minnow]

Can anyone give some feedback on this team? Trying to get into VGC and with champions coming out I wanted to try making a reg F team with two of my fav megas

https://pokepast.es/59c50df54cd7700b

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[lilac glen]

but amoonguss and rilla overlap as support grass type

and my wgole team exce0t flutter has a hard timw breaking incin

OMG I FORGOT ABOUT URSHOFU

im dumb

[ripe turret]

the type overlap doesn’t really matter as much for the two since they fill different roles anyway

rilla is a fast and offensive pivot, amoonguss is a slow and bulky disruptor

also amoonguss’ secondary typing makes their weaknesses more manageable

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/784317b86a81a63c
Are there any changes i should make to this team

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[primal osprey]

I know this isn't my best idea, but i want to somehow make Kyurem black work in a vgc setting...if you have any ideas to improve this team, im all ears
https://pokepast.es/ba8237667ad67728

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/8332f34bf128bf39 reg i team i wanted to use for ranked

[lofty urchin]

https://pokepast.es/77b30009de4fac61 reg f team. My concerns:
Making tornadus more bulky/ sp defensive ev spread
-Keeping urshifu dark on sash (has sucker punch)
Should urshifu dark be tera stellar, poison or dark?
Making flutter mane more sp. attacking
Appreciate the help 👍

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[lilac glen]

urshifu glimm and torn are fine and i thinl dark tera is better for ursh but torn could drop some hp for spdf and try spreading ur evs for flutter between hp and def more maybe like 164 164 116 4 60 timid

[lofty urchin]

Thanks so much man, appreciate it! I'll def look at torn's def spread but iv'e been using tera stellar on ursh its been working well cuz it usually dies within 4 turns but i'll look at using tera dark.

[lofty urchin]

what spread would u recomend for torn?

[lilac glen]

i dont have much experience using bulky torn but i think that max speed is not as necessary as sash

you could run all bulk no speed

because in tw even with no soeed investment you outspeed everything except speed booster pkm

[safe imp]

max speed tornadus can outspeed bulkier whimsicott and get taunt off first

[sleek laurel]

If you’re Sashed you should always run Max Speed

Or maybe Modest Max Speed

[lilac glen]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

If you’re not Sashed I recommend Bulk yes

[sleek laurel]

This would be more relevant if Whimsicott did not like

If it wasn’t near mandatory to EV for Max Speed Tornadus, given the popularity of Sash Tornadus

I think if you’re not Sashed you don’t really need to invest that much in Speed, it’s more useful for Sashed sets since Bulk doesn’t do much and it helps against opposing Tornadus and stuff like Ogerpon more than Whimsicott

The real benefit to Max Speed Tornadus is outspeeding all versions of Cornerstone as well as Swords Dance Hearthflame and getting the edge on non-Sash Tornadus, but you should always assume opposing Whimsicott is faster than your Tornadus in both teambuilding and team preview until/unless proven otherwise

[safe imp]

you could determine a whimsicott isnt bulky when it isn’t running sash, I always do this that way

you also outspeed opposing bulky prankster mon

[sleek laurel]

Bulky Fast Whimsi is still there

[sleek laurel]

But this is true

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/589593ec907ab8bd
wondering about a mode without dozogiri, since it struggles allot into balance and i don't have that rn

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[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d3457c405311a6f6
https://pokepast.es/007f2ab77093a954
Between these 2 teams, which is better?

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[shut copper]

https://pokepast.es/4dca48dd9287eb29

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[shut copper]

Weird team ive been playing, live or dies by speed control with the occasional gimmick

It’s not very good but it’s a lot of fun

[sleek laurel]

Is this for Regulation H? The metagame has ended, but I think I can help with it anyway if it’s for a friendly tournament

Or friendly matches overall

[shut copper]

I’ve been playing it in reg F but I’m still not super familiar with the format yet

[sleek laurel]

The thing with Reg F is that the power level is considerably above that of Reg H, which means that Reg H teams just aren’t strong enough to keep up

If you want a Reg F team, we can slide you one, but it’d require a massive or total rework, or just a different team

[shut copper]

I was just cusious about how teams built around their flexibility fair in the format

Because that’s the main idea I’ve been trying to build around

[sleek laurel]

If you’re talking about double Speed control teams? They fare well enough, that can deffo work

Especially on settings like PsySpam

[shut copper]

So teams like armorouge indeedee etc?

[sleek laurel]

Which I think is the most powerful Tailwind + Trick Room team in Reg F actually

Indeedee + Iron Crown + Regidrago

Usually with TornUrsh + Hearthflame

[shut copper]

Oh yea I’ve seen that team around, I’ve been meaning to give it a try

[sleek laurel]

You’re usually going to be clicking Tailwind more than Trick Room, but Trick Room is there for faster matchups

It’s a nice team

[shut copper]

Is there a poke paste for it?

[sleek laurel]

Yes, lemme fetch it soon enough

Gimme 5

[shut copper]

Omg tysmmmm

Take your time

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/8a38aaae9c5951f9

not sure what the exact original team looks like so EVs are made by me (feel free to rework some lol)

[sleek laurel]

You can also consider Protect on Tornadus btw

Because Taunt is not going to be very clickable in Psychic Terrain

[shut copper]

Omg thanks!!!!

[sleek laurel]

Np!!

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/aad89e2026864101 was kinda missing around with this one I'm a bit torn on the teras tho

[ripe turret]

go with tera ghost on incin, goggles makes it so the main benefit of grass doesn’t matter

personally a fan of tera poison lando, steel from what I’ve seen is used more with substitute

mental herb and tera dark is redundant on torn, I’d recommend swapping to covert cloak

[azure yew]

https://pokepast.es/820d53c8e9ae773f

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[azure yew]

Wanted to jam with hydrapple

[pearl valley]

hydrapple is a cool pokemon and i think you can make it work

first of all, it’s threatened by flutter mane and the occasional Articuno

I think you should pair it with Chi-Yu

[azure yew]

yeah I noticed in my testing that ice and fairy are big problems for the team

[pearl valley]

That way it’ll do a decent amount of damage

[azure yew]

my initial idea was to go harcanine over the gouging fire

to have a hard resist

but I like chi yu

i just use it so much

if its the best option ill use it tho

[pearl valley]

to help with the flutter mane matchup, i think you could try kingambit or ogerpon wellspring

[azure yew]

hearth not enough?

[pearl valley]

also hatterene can’t do much without indeedee female

[pearl valley]

if you slot on chi yu you already have a fire type

[azure yew]

hatterene I thought could be a good fairy that can enable TR

if I see that bolt+drapple would appreciate it

[pearl valley]

you could go a hard trick room mode

so you could look up a hard trick room team

[azure yew]

make gouge really slow or something maybe

max bulk and attacks

have oger as the primary speedster

if it stays

[pearl valley]

and replace one of the mons that fills a similar niche that hydrapple fits for hydrapple

[azure yew]

idk I think im looking to do more than just slot a pet mon into a good team

[pearl valley]

then you could try chi yu and ogerpon

[azure yew]

Over the Oger and the Hat or something?

[pearl valley]

chi yu over gouging

[azure yew]

I will say, it was really strong in testing

[pearl valley]

and then indeedee f over grimmsnarl or ogerpon wellspring over grimmsnarl

tbh i really like indeedee female here

[azure yew]

to help vs prio and as additional follow me?

[pearl valley]

yeah

anyways i gtg

[azure yew]

ok

thanks for the insight

[crimson arrow]

Hello! Could someone please rate my vgc reg f team? Kinda new:-(https://pokepast.es/fa025474a827a1a2

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[real pine]

why do ye got two strategies at the same team

rain and psyspam

well if it works it works

use booster energy on iron crown

tera water on iron crown to

oh flutter is runnin booster

then life orb on crown

althou the damage wont be as high as booster

[crimson arrow]

fair enough

[crimson arrow]

should I swicth flutter out for sth?

and should I still put tera water on crown?

[real pine]

yes use tera water on crown

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/fd024821e471a4d2 hope it isn't that wacky

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[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/d90729809598c3a8 opinions on this?

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/8e8ce23d915f5667 made a few changes lmk if this makes sense or not

[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/93348f2a714c2d4b for reference this was my old team, its just that i had no real way to punish stall like dondozo ting lu

[loud hamlet]

smeargle needs wide guard

[sage jasper]

Also raging bolt was av thunderbolt draco, thunder clap and snarl

[real pine]

spiky shield

ye got sash can always get atleast a turn worth

[real pine]

this is just a meta team or atleast derived from it

[sage jasper]

It’s derived , I think I like my original team better which I linked below , with the AV bolt but then I didn’t have a way to punish stall,

[real pine]

for those dozo shenanigans ye just need haze

doubt any of those learn it

[sage jasper]

Not dozo tatsugiri, its dozo ting lu 😭

[real pine]

oh ting

[sage jasper]

Yup

[sage jasper]

https://pokepast.es/6a1de99f3017ab28

Here’s my actual team , how would it deal with ting do

[real pine]

i donthave much memory battling ting dozo i remmeber only meeting it once

your best bet would probably be to eliminate the dozo cus it has yawn and disruption moves

they tend to switch in their damage dealers after annoying yiu

[versed knoll]

https://pokepast.es/1c00469bd6fddf62 any opinions?

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[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/4fef01780b0cea7e
I was told that setup monkey was bad and to change maushold's set, but I'm not even bringing maushold so both might have to go. The genies and ogerpon are a must, and I'm having a lot of fun with archaludon so I'd rather keep it. U-turn on lando is to pivot and hit my archaludon and ape, I wasn't clicking ep or sub anyways so i thought id have something else. Tera bug on archaludon is for ground and fighting type attacks, and it's never getting spored so I don't miss tera grass

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[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/8264855965c0e572
Thought this might work

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/4451f33d16916284 trying to make zacian work

[ripe turret]

zac works best with kyogre

or pagos

it also kinda sucks

and I’m saying this as a fervent zac supporter

[tight adder]

yeah i’m probably not gonna run with it idek what other restricted to pair with korraidon

[ripe turret]

lunala, csr, miraidon (kinda a fraud pairing tho)

[tight adder]

might end up doing lunala thanks

[covert axle]

https://pokepast.es/89c49b7c166d6071 Im hitting a bit of a wall with this team and Im not sure if its because its poorly built or if I am having an off day today

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[covert axle]

will o wisp on torkoal used to be yawn and i am thinking of putting flare blitz back on incin

[hazy plover]

Guys, I'm from Brazil (I don't speak a good english) and I need help, in my team I need incineroar, but I don't have alola games. I can do what?

[sleek laurel]

Dá pra pegar na DLC do Scarlet/Violet, quiser vai na DM se precisar de um passo a passo
(You can get it off of SV’s DLC, DM me if you want/need a step by step)

[hazy plover]

Thank you, I go

[digital sierra]

built this team for a tour, but cant get above 1100, is there anything i can do to salvage the team or should i just scrap it entirely?

[lilac glen]

amoonguss is better as grass type support over sinistch

incin over arcanine

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[rigid ore]

Reg F team. First ever build attempt, would love tips

[lilac glen]

dont invest in p2 spa and make urshifu scarf and replace torn with another fast attacker which would be a spa at best

[ripe turret]

tornadus is fine here, I would actually run speed on ursaluna so you can have a tailroom mode with it, a few of your EVs are a little wack but the mons look fine

also seconding scarf urshifu

[tribal void]

i third scarf shifu

as someone who has built a teeam exactly like this

p2 ursa tailroom

scarf shifu is super useful and imo way better than sash

mystic is a decent alternative if you don't want scarf but I personally found scarf to be best

scarf is super useful outside of tr

[rigid ore]

What do I dump points into for Porygon instead? Def? And the three shots on certain key threats is actually pleasant sometimes but would that defense be more useful?

[rigid ore]

First time with the whole EVs thing lol

If I’m scarfing Urshi, I change Detect to U-turn, but do I flip any EVs?

[ripe turret]

I'll send you the spreads

p2 does appreciate a little investment, but not as much as you're giving it

[lilac glen]

u can just keep it(urshifu spreads

[ripe turret]

and scarf urshifu-r has a specific spread that lets it live some things

[lilac glen]

yeah

but u can kee0

keep

but if u wanna have more bulk i think 60 156 4 124 164 adamant

[ripe turret]

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Level: 50
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Tera Type: Flying
Bold Nature

• Tera Blast
• Ice Beam
• Trick Room
• Recover

here's p2's

it is a little different for reg f actually

so I was wrong on that

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 212 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Aqua Jet

this is the urshifu spread

[rigid ore]

You guys are dope, thanks!

[rigid ore]

What’s different?

[ripe turret]

the spread for p2 in reg h is different than in reg f

I was thinking of the reg h spread when I advised the spatk investment

but yeah in reg f it's better just to go all bulk

[rigid ore]

Okay

What do you think about Torn here

Had someone tell me to go more like a similar, more “traditional & meta” and go something like Flutter Mane because Tailwind is meh here

[ripe turret]

torn is fine here as long as you change up your EV spreads

right now you're leaning very heavily into your TR mode, but by investing a little in the speeds of your slower mons, you can also make them work in tailwind

[tribal void]

i personally like 4 in spatk and attack cause of download but idt it makes much of a difference

it only makes a different if u go quiet nature

[ocean lantern]

My teambuilding prowess has left everyone speechless

[pale comet]

Hey yall. Always been a casual player of this, decided to give making a "serious" team a try. Have been struggling to find something coherent and good for the other 2 slots though, tusk and bax are mosytly there due to some matches were i felt like i needed their stab to cover stuff arboliva cant. orignally had hatterene and indeede due to seeing them often on other TR teams but i just literally used them.

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/4dfda17bd4567d0e roost me

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[ripe turret]

tbh not much I can find wrong here other than AV dnite and tera poison incin/ursh

band dnite works a lot better, poison on incin and ursh is generally worse than the more common ones that they run

[fiery plinth]

was leaning more defensive in incin and ursh's tera, to resit fighting and fairy but I can just use the typical bug and water

[fiery plinth]

also do you think I can go full SpA and Spe on fluttermane or I should stick with this?

[ripe turret]

flutter set is fine

[ripe turret]

poison is not that good on incin because it leaves it weak to ground

and water on urshifu works fine because if you EV it it’ll live a specs moonblast from flutter after tera’ing and can ohko back

[ripe turret]

your updated one looks fine tbh

I think you can probably run amoong over wellspring but everything else looks solid

[ocean lantern]

Alright ty

[ocean lantern]

Wait i wanna know why

To get better and all that

[fiery plinth]

I think your team doesn't have any severe water weakness, and without that amoong is generally better in your team it's more bulky and last way longer with regen

also amoong is good in rain teams to get it's fire weakness to neutral

[ocean lantern]

Ok I see

[ripe turret]

essentially you don’t really need the offensive capabilities of wellspring and the support that amoonguss offers is better, it also makes you far better into TR

because urs and wellspring have some role overlap

[ocean lantern]

I'm thinking of changing tornadus' set to max speed 252 spa and sash, I'm constantly slower than other tornadus

Is it a good change?

[wanton abyss]

If the change does what you want it to, then yes it’s a good change

I always measure whether something is a “good” change or not by how well it helps you achieve the purpose of the change

[ocean estuary]

Hi everyone! Was looking to get some feedback on this Reg F team I have been building and testing. I would appreciate any other feedback! https://pokepast.es/ab98cb9553313697
My main goal is hyper offense with Urshifu and CP with the option for TR or to counter TR with Cresselia and Bloodmoon if needed. Using Dragonite as my tailwind setter which is unsual but I like how hard it hits plus having haze is huge. For CP, I was running stellar with sash but I found the ghost tera with the sash gives me another leg up on fake out. Please let me know how I can improve on this team!

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[rigid ore]

What speed for Ursa?

And what interactions would change?

[ripe turret]

running 75 speed lets you outspeed adamant shifu in tailwind

that's the one I would recommend

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/94ccb6a9a35f65cb

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[sleek laurel]

You should probably use either Modest on Miraidon or 252 Speed, the 204 Timid spread is a misinput

Also, Covert Cloak Whimsicott is just preferred compared to Focus Sash, the Focus Sash set was an early meta thing but it’s really kinda suboptimal

[fiery plinth]

4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe ?

[sleek laurel]

Rest looks mostly fine, I guess you can experiment with Helmet Incineroar + Assault Vest Iron Hands > Bloodmoon (if you don’t wanna just use Arubega period lol) and maybe Sash Ditto (but I’m really not a fan)

[sleek laurel]

For the Max Speed set yes

[sleek laurel]

But those are options

[sleek laurel]

Oh, and use Tera Water Farig ig

Or Dark

To have a better matchup onto Calyrex-I

[fiery plinth]

I feel like I can make miradon tera electric with discharge instead of dazzling gleam since I have a ground type

[sleek laurel]

Not sure where you’ll be using this team, but if you have a match/tournament planned, team is good

[sleek laurel]

If you do that, use Ground Farigiraf

And yes you can, but one important piece of information is that Discharge Miraidon and Dazzling Gleam Miraidon play differently

Because Dazzling Gleam is a closing move, Discharge is an emergency button that can occasionally close games

But you’re most often going to be closing with Electro Drift

And Tera Electric Miraidon gets some insane benchmarks such as killing all non-AV Incin with Volt Switch

So they generally play a little differently

[fiery plinth]

oh okay then, still generally what are the mons I should worry about?

[sleek laurel]

Be a little wary of opposing Ground-types

And Calyrex-I is a slightly troublesome matchup, but you can generally explode it with Tera Electric Electro Drift

[fiery plinth]

ursuluna and maybe grouden?

[sleek laurel]

Ursaluna, Landorus, Calyrex-I

Groudon shouldn’t be THAT bad because you can Draco Meteor it and getting rid of the Restricted is often just game in that case

Oh, and Zacian-C is a little bad

But Tera Electric compared to Fairy does help with that

[sleek laurel]

(Just make sure you have the Speed advantage when clicking Draco Meteor)

Ig you lose if you miss Draco and they hit Prec but that’s just Pokémon sometimes

Miraidon missing Draco is often a death sentence regardless

[fiery plinth]

Generally when team building I focus on the practical parts and usually don't even bother thinking about or trying RNG, realistically it's out of my control I can't do anything about it, and I usually avoid using things like shaky set, strats and moves, especially moves

[sleek laurel]

Yea, in practice this is how it should go

Also like, in the scenario listed above, you would win the game on the spot 90% of the time and lose it 8.5% of the time (whereas it continues 1.5% of the time)

So your opponent won’t even try it unless they have to

I know it’s not all that simple, but you get it LOL

I think the matchup you should really worry about is Calyrex-I + Landorus-I

[fiery plinth]

most of the time even if my team is good and playing while not amazing is decent I generally do lose quite a lot bc of luck, crits comes at the worst time possible, status and stat nerf chances too, like literally who gets crit+freeze on twice in the span of 3 games??

[sleek laurel]

Had that happen in a Cup once lol

Usually when you’re in a lost position it’s a strat to rely on luck

So RNG comebacks happen a lot

[ripe turret]

I think tornadus is a better fit here than dnite since dnite is a little less consistent at setting tailwind, it also can set the rain with priority which makes it much better at supporting ursh

[sleek laurel]

But I think the team should be fine, CIR Lando is troublesome but that’s troublesome for every Miraidon team ever

Especially in G

It’s not unwinnable at all tho, you kinda just need to play better

You can’t have a positive MU on everything lol

Also, I’d really try the Modest Miraidon here because you wanna be able to assure the OHKO on SpD invested Calyrex-I with Tera Electric Electro Drift

With Modest, there is no reasonable Calyrex-I spread that can survive it

[fiery plinth]

ye obviously no team is perfect and every time is bound to have a decent weakness but still RNG can sometimes screw over a win-win situation. neither way thx for the help

[sleek laurel]

They need to run like 252/100-a-lot and Careful, which just isn’t real

And np, and gl! Idk where ur this team but if it’s for a tourney or friendly, go win it LOL

[ripe turret]

also a couple other things, go with sucker punch over throat chop on pao, you’re wasting an EV point on rilla, and I’d run some speed on ursa to better synergize with your tw mode

[fiery plinth]

mostly to use it against my buddies, they're hardcore pros so I'm trying to my best

[sleek laurel]

Good luck lol

[ocean estuary]

If that’s the case, do I take Rain Dance off Cresselia or does it not fit on the team at all?

[ocean estuary]

Where am I wasting the EV on Rilla?

Adding speed to Bloodmoon won’t ruin my TR mode?

[ripe turret]

yeah replace rain dance on cress with a different move, you can use helping hand, ally switch, etc.

[ripe turret]

you can shift 4 EVs from rilla’s attack to speed

also ursa-bm can still underspeed a lot even with speed investment

I’d recommend either 75 or 85, 75 underspeeds base 60s that aren’t lowering their speed on purpose and outspeeds adamant shifu in tailwind while 85 outspeeds timid lando in tailwind

[ocean estuary]

Do you think I should pull from SpD and put into speed? Urshifu and Rillaboom are big threats to him so SpD doesn’t really help right?

[ripe turret]

I’ll find the spread for you once I have time

sorry

I’m in class rn lol

[ocean estuary]

Please don’t be sorry! You are helping a lot! I appreciate the help

[ripe turret]

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Mind's Eye
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SpA / 172 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Normal
Modest Nature

• Blood Moon
• Earth Power
• Hyper Voice
• Protect

here

I believe this set outspeeds adamant pao in tailwind

so it’s very fast

[rigid ore]

Thank you!

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https://pokepast.es/e2fd6742cf6fb169

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[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/800025767ddc4b75 hard trickroom

[ocean estuary]

Thank you so much!

[ripe turret]

run torkoal and banded darkfu instead of incin and amoong

htr is all about blowing your opponents up as fast as possible under TR, so you don’t need support pieces as much

[fiery plinth]

what's urshifu's moves and evs?

[kind birch]

this is a reg h team im trying to make niche pokemon work im doing it for lurantis https://pokepast.es/d7df5aa0c9ce4c24 pls rate

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[ripe turret]

wicked blow, close combat, sucker punch, and probably poison jab or iron head as the last

I’d recommend poison jab actually because you can also run tera poison which is a nice type defensively

[ripe turret]

this looks mostly fine, I’d go with leftovers dozo and either scarf or sash tatsu, also run tera dark on csr and overheat>fiery dance on volc

[fiery plinth]

ok thx

[ripe turret]

as for the EVs I’d shift 16 from zama’s defense to hp, but that’s pretty much it

[ocean lantern]

i havent been feeling the evs on my team, and i realized the ones from smogon are kinda irrelevant sometimes, so i tried making my own with what i see ppl using with pikalytics. please lmk if theyre good or not

https://pokepast.es/74848768830829d1

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike:
outspeeds 252 spe +1 timid iron crowm in tw
98% to kill 0 hp / 0 def ogerpon-h with surging strikes
98% to kill 0 hp / 4 def chien-pao with surging strikes
lives horn leech from 156 atk adamant ogerpon-w
lives dazzling gleam from 108 spa neutral nature flutter
lives tera fairy dazzling gleam from 108 spa neutral nature specs flutter when tera water
lives sandsear storm from 116 spa modest life orb landorus
lives thunderclap from 100 spa modest raging bolt

Archaludon:
lives cc from max attack urshifu-s
lives 2 wicked blows from max attack urshifu-s
lives 2 moonblasts from 108 spa neutral nature specs flutter
outspeeds 164 spe +1 gouging fire in tw
outspeeds 212 spe choice scarf urshifu-r in tw

discord wont let me send the rest, ill just send this

[ripe turret]

alright I’m just going to put a couple things out there

first of all go with aqua jet over ice spinner on urshifu, especially since you’re running a relatively slow set the priority is way more important

secondly you want earth power on landorus, not having a consistent ground move to use outside of rain is really really bad, also idt the icy wind tornadus calc really matters because not many even run icy wind and even fewer will be running max spatk modest (if you’re running a sash set timid is more common I believe)

also don’t use pikalytics, munchstats is better from what I’ve heard if you want more accurate info

also, are you using the data from bo1 or bo3?

[ocean lantern]

Bo3

[ocean lantern]

Aqua jet got it. Also idk pikalytiks made max spatk tornadus seem common but it might not be

Yeah I can already see 2026 reg f on munchstats, I was stuck on 2024 with the other one

[ripe turret]

yeah munchstats is much better for this kinda stuff

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/bd002f6c2f49337e

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[ivory linden]

Does this look decent for the reg?

Assuming theres stuff i can change

[sleek laurel]

Looks fine, I’d do 116 Attack on Rilla and the extra in Defense

Because that actually

Like

Assures survival of Entei’s Sacred Fire

Rather than “almost always”

And you really don’t need the extra attack to snab the OHKO on Fmane with Wood Hammer LOL

(And Grassy Glide does not OHKO anyway)

[ivory linden]

Should i make flutter timid to outspeed chien pao

[sleek laurel]

You can’t

[ivory linden]

I had an issue with that

Oh

[sleek laurel]

Booster Energy Special Attack Flutter cannot be Timid

Or I mean

Although

I just realized you have no Speed control

[ivory linden]

I can make it booster timid

[sleek laurel]

So you should probably change it to Booster Timid + Icy Wind outright

[ivory linden]

Yea that was the main issue

[sleek laurel]

Yea

I have an exam in 2 days lmao I’m not playing well at all

[ivory linden]

I was also considering putting scarf urshifu here over something

Because tbh i really like fairy feather flutter mane here

[sleek laurel]

You could, but I think your pieces are too hard to get rid of

Except Volcarona

Which I presume you wanted to use

[ivory linden]

Good to know i atleast made a solid structure for the team, tbh

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[ivory linden]

Tbh, it was just the first set up sweeper i could think of

[sleek laurel]

I’d just say Speed control Flutter here

[ivory linden]

Much as I like volc im fine replacing it for bolt, annihilape or like

Anything else

[sleek laurel]

There are honestly very few

Like

You can use SD Ogerpon

Or CM bolt

But CM bolt would just make this bolt balance with an Alolan Ninetales

Which actually

You can deffo replace

[ivory linden]

For?

[sleek laurel]

Because you don’t really need Veil here and you have no Snow abusers

You also have Double Fake Out

Actually yea wtf am I saying

Just change that one LOL

[ivory linden]

The team originally had an articuno, but it felt super inconsistent so i didnt keep it

[sleek laurel]

Ohhhh yea that explains it

[ivory linden]

Once arctozolt comes back we're so up

[sleek laurel]

Ok so

Atales can change to another offensive Mon, Urshifu works, so does stuff like Landorus

Or Chien-Pao too

Bolt is fine too but

[ivory linden]

Slow

[sleek laurel]

CM in a Volc team is mid
AV is taken
And so is Booster

[ivory linden]

I'll probably try ursh or lando

[sleek laurel]

I’d also consider Dark Ursh

[ivory linden]

Those seem the most likely to me

[sleek laurel]

Because you have a Waterpon

But yes

Try all three tbh

[ivory linden]

Why like

Specifically dark ursh

[sleek laurel]

I mean

I’d consider both Urshi’s

[ivory linden]

Oh okay then

[ivory linden]

With those changes would there still be stuff i should watch out for?

Weaknesses

[sleek laurel]

Brb 1 min

I’ll look on this too

But gonna dinner real quick

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/a9c00dc04f830b40

[peak sentinel]

https://pokepast.es/63c3fcb6887babb1

Hard tr

Ideas?

[lilac glen]

give lunala more bulk and another item

make urshifu dark tera

i think everything else is fine

[ocean lantern]

https://pokepast.es/6be9a0c49536be4e
heres the revision of the ev spreads i made with muchstats. idk if im being too defesive with these, especially with archaludon, but i figured that i could drop most of the spatk if that made me sit in the field for longer and spam more electro shots to boost my spatk. my team is also pretty slow and i rely heavily on tailwind, so i made tornadus live a lot of stuff. it might be better to go max speed 252 spa and use sash instead to gamble on the taunt speed tie against opposing tornadus, since a tailwind from them is pretty bad, but that would make me get flinched by fake out which isnt great.

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[ocean lantern]

toughts on making incin 29 spe iv to underspeed most farigirafs to move before in tr and most incins to get parting shot last? also i might get ice spinner back on urshifu since i cant see how i would beat indeede iron crown lead otherwise. maybe tera steel landorus? idk

[merry plover]

Elite island rotation

[ocean lantern]

changed urshifu's spread:
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Adamant Nature
Tera Type: Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 20 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 196 SpD / 52 Spe

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet
• Detect
  outspeeds 252+ spe +1 iron crown in tw
  OHKO 4 hp / 0 def or 0 hp / 4 def ogerpon-h with surging strikes
  OHKO 4 hp / 0 def or 0 hp / 4 def chien-pao with surging strikes
  OHKO 252 hp / 28 def iron crown with surging strikes in the rain
  OHKO 252 hp / 188+ def incineroar with surging strikes
  OHKO 108 hp / 44 def farigiraf with tera water surging strikes
  lives 1 horn leech from 76+ atk ogerpon-w
  lives 1 grassy glide from 116+ atk miracle seed rillaboom
  lives 1 sandsear storm from (116+ spa or 252 spa) life orb landorus
  lives 1 moonblast from (252 spa or 116+ spa) specs flutter when tera water
  lives 1 psychic terrain expanding force from 172 (max spatk to get speed boost) iron crown when tera water
  lives 1 psychic from 4 spa indeede-f
  94% to live 1 thunderclap from 180+ spa raging bolt

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/31a468171a2fc6d5 alright this is kinda my first attempt at actually building a team for reg f. I'd say that most of my mons are pretty standard, all the EVs I made personally, and there are a couple of set options like taunt incin to help against farig TR (which otherwise I'm pretty bad into), any sort of recommendations would be nice, thx

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[amber hawk]

How cooked am I if I roll up to locals with a Ghost Squad? https://pokepast.es/d9bd12566b676a68

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[ripe turret]

very

also a lot of your sets are questionable

ceruledge has no item, protect on banded basc, leftovers ape with no setup, and a singles set dragapult

[amber hawk]

solid pointers. thanks

[broken shuttle]

i think the rilla is kind of unnecessary here, it kind of feels like it overlaps a lot w. the incin & wellspring w.o rly improving any of the annoying mus

i kind of like urshifu in the rilla slot, sash darkfu feels rly versatile on this kind of torn fat
you could also test out scarf rapid strike & test hearthflame over the wellspring— i think overall u just appreciate the speed tier of scarf/the defensive utility from sash a lot here over rilla

[broken shuttle]

not gonna lie to you boss this joint is all over the place— thundurus-t & garchomp aren't even rly all that viable in the current format, the ursaluna + indeedee TR mode feels like it's kinda just tacked on there w. no real reason to be on the team

what are you trying to build here

[broken shuttle]

u can prolly take a few games w. it but don't expect too much

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-f/

[amber hawk]

oh i dont. its a team id play among friends for fun

[broken shuttle]

this is for competitive teams boss prolly not the best place to send it

😭

[amber hawk]

fair enough

[ocean lantern]

thoughts?

[fiery plinth]

https://pokepast.es/b4850a3053bcc921

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[prisma moat]

https://pokepast.es/b1a4ecf322ec5717 Reg f

[broken shuttle]

i think this team is a bit too slow, i don't hate the archaludon here btu you definitely need to be modest to get the most value out of it

i think the main changes i'd suggest are scarf urshifu— your team is pretty slow & outspeeding flutter mane w. it is pretty important, makes you less reliant on torn asw
i'd also recommend using this arch spread:
Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Def / 36 SpA / 164 SpD / 28 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Electro Shot
• Body Press
  you dodge the 2hko from spa booster moonblast & the OHKO from shifu CC

u prefer modest generally so you get the most out of electro shot boosts

[broken shuttle]

some of the set and mon choices here feel kind of off, Gyarados isn't really all that viable in the current metagame & disquake isn't very good either

what are you trying to build with this?

[ocean lantern]

im running the calcs and it doesnt dodge cc OHKO or moonblast 2HKO (unless you mean spatk booster but timid nature, which doesnt seem to make much sense)

what urshifu spread should i use for scarf?

[broken shuttle]

it seems the smogon dex has mislead me💀

[broken shuttle]

i would just suggest max/max until you find a relevant calc u need to live

[ocean lantern]

sounds good

[ocean lantern]

what do i do with arch then?

[broken shuttle]

i'd suggest just making it modest & adjusting your defense benchmark

[ocean lantern]

oh man

[ocean lantern]

is living ursa headlong rush at +1 def doing too much? i can drop like 60 evs if i go down to the next benchamrk of living cc

[broken shuttle]

you'd usually just tera in front of ursaluna, it's probably a bit excessive

[ocean lantern]

true

[ocean lantern]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Modest Nature
Tera Type: Grass
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 236 HP / 124 Def / 92 SpA / 4 SpD / 52 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon
• Dragon Pulse
  thoughts? i still live non specs moonblast 2HKO and max spa dragon pulse 2HKO from raging bolt

and cc ofc

[broken shuttle]

this looks good

i prefer draco on arch personally but pulse is perfectly acceptable also

[ocean lantern]

i used to run draco but i dont like losing my electro shot boosts

[broken shuttle]

ye

[ocean lantern]

also what do i do against indeede iron crown i usually only win if my opponent messes up bad

[broken shuttle]

you prolly wanna adjust a tera type then

either tera dark on amoonguss or steel on landorus

[ocean lantern]

i was thinking of tera steel lando to tank all of iron crown

yeah

[broken shuttle]

should give you enough defensive utility to outlast them

[ocean lantern]

should i ev to live this?

[broken shuttle]

if its not that much more investment yea it's prolly worth

[prisma moat]

What could replace Gyarados here?

[broken shuttle]

i think the team in general needs some pretty radical restructuring, which is why i asked what you were originally trying to build

[ripe turret]

tbh I do like the utility that double fake out gives me as well as having grassy glide priority, and I also don’t really want to add sash darkfu because then it kinda just becomes toler webb’s team with lando over bolt

do you think I could replace like

gholdengo instead possibly

idk

[prisma moat]

I was going for a sandstorm focused team. I don't have much expiriance with vgc.

[broken shuttle]

that's fine tho

all the other slots do too much to drop & the rilla is kinda just redundant here

u get a lot more out of darkfu

u can't replace ghold here at all that's like ur primary wincon

[ripe turret]

ok I see

[broken shuttle]

sandstorm isn't super viable to begin with outside of like, solo-tyranitar
excadrill just doesn't rly bring all that much value on a game-to-game basis
https://pokepast.es/92cd2d135946bd95
this team is a pretty solid sand that did well at a regional

[ocean lantern]

Landorus @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Modest Nature
Tera Type: Steel
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 36 HP / 128 SpA / 108 SpD / 236 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Sandsear Storm
• Sludge Bomb
• Earth Power
• Protect
  this thing lives the expanding force nuke

[broken shuttle]

yeah this seems viable

take 4 evs out of spa and put them in defense tho

124 & 132 yield evs not 128

[ocean lantern]

oh true

[ocean lantern]

also about the scarf urshifu, i would only outspeed specs or booster spatk flutters, is it still worth the dying to everything part?

[ocean lantern]

is this true for every mon?

[broken shuttle]

yes, at level 50 only certain numbers yield evs

4 + 8n numbers specifically

[ocean lantern]

in hp too?

[broken shuttle]

yes

[ocean lantern]

ok ty

[broken shuttle]

so 4,12,20,28 etc etc

[broken shuttle]

you also have your own tailwind to get you over booster speed flutter & multiple defensive options into it

the value scarf ursh gets from outspeeding specs is generally pretty high as well

since specs is much harder to handle defensively than booster speed

[ocean lantern]

got it

[ocean lantern]

oh i just realized scarf shifu misses the ohko against chien-pao, ogerpon-h, physically defensive incin and bulky iron crown in the rain

eh i guess i can tera, ill play a few games and see

[ocean lantern]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Adamant Nature
Tera Type: Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 76 SpD / 164 Spe

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-Turn

outspeeds max speed specs flutter
outspeeds max speed chien-pao
OHKO 252 HP (212 def or 116+ def) incineroar with surging strikes
84% to OHKO 4 HP / 0 def tornadus with surging strikes
lives 1 horn leech from 156+ atk ogerpon-w
lives 1 grassy glide from 188+ atk miracle seed rillaboom
lives 1 moonblast from 252 spa tera fairy flutter as tera water
lives 1 shadow ball from max spa gholdengo
lives 1 electroweb from 124+ spa raging bolt

[kind birch]

https://pokepast.es/d7df5aa0c9ce4c24 reg h team

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[sleek laurel]

Every single mon you listed will EV for Scarf Shifu except sometimes Incineroar

Max Attack can be used but it’s hardly worth if it ur not Sash in this meta

Defensive Chien-Pao always survives a 252+ Surging Strikes as long as they use 4 Defense rather than 4 HP which a pretty well known thing nowadays

Ogerpon-H, unless it’s the Swords Dance set, will EV for the “3.3% chance to die” benchmark, atp the Ursh player should never try it

“Physically defensive” Incineroar is 252 or 244 / 188+ which is specifically tailored for Urshifu

And Crown dies with less investment anyway, whereas the bulk investment is actually massive against stuff like Raging Bolt and the PrioSpam teams

[ocean lantern]

yeah thats what i was saying, i always killed those sets with mystic water

[sleek laurel]

Yea for Mystic Water yes

[ocean lantern]

so do i run that or scarf?

[sleek laurel]

What I’m saying is running 252 Adamant on Scarf sets in Reg F is generally unnecessary

My point is you can get away with things such as 156+ Attack which is standard

[ocean lantern]

cause i wouldnt be killing anyways?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Everything EVs for 252 Adamant Urshifu regardless due to the popularity of Sash Urshifu

(Which always runs 252 Adamant)

[ocean lantern]

do i need more speed than 164

[sleek laurel]

So Scarf usually does 156+ which allows you to invest more in Bulk and keep all benchmarks with Tera Water

No, 164 is fine

I like doing 44 HP / 4 Def to survive Dragonite’s everything-boosted Extreme Speed

And then rest in SpD

Which means most Raging Bolt fail to OHKO with Thunderclap from full which is an INSANE boon

[ocean lantern]

wow yeah i live 100+ spa

thats nice

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Adamant Nature
Tera Type: Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 140 SpD / 164 Spe

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Ice Spinner
• U-turn

[sleek laurel]

In fact, I just calced, you live 100+ SpA on the mark

[sleek laurel]

Yes this is what I usually run

[ocean lantern]

yep

ok sweet ty

[ocean lantern]

oh btw on this archa i could go 60 spd instead to live max attack +1 draco from raging bolt

[sleek laurel]

Np

[ocean lantern]

is it worth it?

[sleek laurel]

60 is too much I think

[ocean lantern]

i go from 172 spa to 164

[sleek laurel]

Yea no 60 is too much, not worth it

Ig you can do like

[ocean lantern]

32 lives 180+

[sleek laurel]

Wait no you don’t go to 164 SpA because that does not exist

It’s 165

[ocean lantern]

oh yeah that

[sleek laurel]

I mean technically 36+ is a jump point so ig there’s that LOL

But max spatk bolt just isn’t real

[sleek laurel]

This however feels reasonable

[ocean lantern]

32 spd gets me to 169 spa

[sleek laurel]

You mean

[ocean lantern]

oh wait its 28 spd

[sleek laurel]

36 spd

Or

Yea lmao

It’s either 28 or 36

[ocean lantern]

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Modest Nature
Tera Type: Grass
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 236 HP / 124 Def / 68 SpA / 28 SpD / 52 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Electro Shot
• Dragon Pulse
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon

[sleek laurel]

When you said “32” I was thinking “+32”

Feels fine I think

[ocean lantern]

ok great

ty

[sleek laurel]

Np

[sleek laurel]

Tbh if ur using this on the ladder you can probably justify 60 SpD and 36+ SpA

Because the SpA is a jump point, and like

Lower ladder players usually don’t know complex EV spreads all that well

[ocean lantern]

im 1200 so

[sleek laurel]

But in events or any tournaments you will

VERY rarely face 252+ SpA Bolt

Probably a case of how much offensive power are you missing too

[ocean lantern]

not much really

not even when i was running 4 spa bold archa

but that was to live ursa headlong at +1 def which was never impactful cause i can just tera anyways so

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/a90bb1c01748dd93
Any tips for my reg f team?

I want to keep the Draco and the expanding force on iron crown but I dont know how to build indeedee as trick room doesn't work well with the tailwind set i have

[sullen river]

Also would terablast steel or poison be better than Dracometor into tera fairy raging bolt and fluttermane?

I think tera poison is better cause it goes better into into rapid strike and incin better than steel

But everyone run tera steel

Also poison terablast is decent into rillaboom

[sleek laurel]

Draco Meteor is mandatory to pick up OHKOs at low HP

If you run Tera Blast, you’re dropping Earth Power, but it’s just not recommended when you have a whole Iron Crown tbh

The team looks great

Except for the fact that you’re missing 1 stat on Drago and you should also just run Max Special Attack and Max Speed (probably still Modest)

[sleek laurel]

And actually this is a common misconception

But in Iron Crown PsySpam, you are VERY rarely going to set up Trick Room

Indeedee is there to provide Psychic Terrain, Follow Me, and Helping Hand

Trick Room is often just an emergency button

Or meant for VERY specific matchups

And another thing to note is that you don’t always need to bring PsySpam

Depending on the matchup, Tornadus + Urshifu + Ogerpon + Drago is very viable too

[ripe turret]

ok so I ended up adding darkfu over rilla, just one last question do you think covert cloak tera dark torn is better here? or is helm tera steel fine

[broken shuttle]

i think the extra way to punish opposing ursh is p helpful now tht u don't have rilla

but if it's not super useful in tests def feel free to mess w. it

[sullen river]

I was thinking whimsicott fake tears would be great to break fluttermane with regidrago earth power but its somehow only does a max of 66% to a -2 spd fluttermane with no defense investments

Why so weak?

[ocean lantern]

I mean it's a non stab non item boosted neutral attack against a very spdefy mon

[sullen river]

Is whimsicott still worth running to win the tailwind war against tornadus?

Ok i tried it and its moonblast cooked a roaring moon and it got tailwind up but another indeedee blocked my encore

I think whimsicott has more utility than tornadus in drago teams

[sullen river]

Being able to encore and taunt basically anything is really stong in the beginning of the game

Plus breaking storm and moonblast have about the same utility

[ripe turret]

alr thx

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/262bd2cead1d34d3

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sullen river]

Any advice for this team?

I put in whimsicott for tornadus because I feel it has better utility

[ripe turret]

well the thing is that psyterrain blocks many of your priority moves

[broken shuttle]

this looks good, the only problem i really have is that u don't need both encore & taunt on whims, especially w. your own psyterrain

its fine to keep one since u dont rly have better moves to run on that guy

but both is kinda eh

helping hand is a good shout

what does the drago spread do?

[sullen river]

Outspeeds all non boosted mons in tailwind and does as much damage as possible with the rest into its hp

Not max speed cause even with max its not outspeeding much and so it can function in trickroom in a pinch

Would sunny day on whims work if I pivoted to a more sun team?

[sullen river]

Raging bolt is def dracos worst matchup

For my team

I have to bring draco for base bolt and a steel type for tera fairy

Im kinda fine into urshifu

Rillaboom can be anoying getting rid of my terain

[loud hamlet]

team feels good but i have a truly awful mu against whims and tornadus with taunt

[loud hamlet]

i also prob dont have to run min speed cres

[sullen river]

Indeedee psychic terrain could help block prankster taunt

[sullen river]

Run max speed whims and taunt them first (your missing evs on whims)

[ripe turret]

for a HTR team you have far too many support pieces and not enough actual damage dealers

and no real reliable way to block taunt

other than imprison smeargle which can get taunted before it can move

this entire team is just kinda all over the place

bonnet and whims are definitely unneeded here

cress is also kinda just worse than indeedee for HTR

https://pokepast.es/acbedefba3c3784b I'd recommend something closer to this if you want to build an HTR team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ripe turret]

oops

ignore that

[sleek laurel]

LOL