VGC Rates

[lone hamlet]

But what do i know, im barely 1100

[ripe turret]

ok so this team needs a pretty large overhaul

it’s kind of all over the place

most of your sets are pretty bad

also having two mons who need eviolite is not very good

since the team seems to be leaning towards a sun mode you can kind of make it more in line with like

marco sun

torkoal and zard are already a good core to start off with

I would add on a jumpluff here over murkrow

it basically does what murkrow does and also has redirection+sleep powder

[unborn pier]

Who’s a good physical trick rm sweeper found in the sv dex? Ursa not included

[ripe turret]

for reg h?

gallade works

if you want to make a HTR team your best bet is gonna be CIR mag

lunala is pretty bad as a HTR mon and dialga-o is more of a soft TR restricted who can function both in and out of it

[unborn pier]

Sure I guess, I’m wanting to try things out from my speculation of the next reg in champions so I wasn’t too sure if vgc would be the right place or not… I figured it would be za dex and sv Dex so I was using standard trick rm team except with blursa and mega slowbro instead

[tight adder]

I was using jumpluff and got swept by a lot of archaludon teams so that haze krow has done me wonders

[ripe turret]

try ursaluna

and your jumpluff should be able to reset weather pretty consistently anyways

[lone hamlet]

So... Ice rider

?

[tight adder]

who should i replace?

[ripe turret]

essentially, yes

[ripe turret]

ceruledge, ebuzz, or ape

[pearl valley]

yall i need an answer, this is the most important post ill make here, which is better? (Ive posted the first one a lot i know) https://pokepast.es/c7c909c3aee98dc0 or https://pokepast.es/7cc0a6ebb50e8a37 also should i replace dnite? I only use it for haze because dondozo

[drifting onyx]

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[pearl valley]

i also want the real raters to rate this because i need some professional insight (i sound like a nerd bruh)

[true ether]

https://pokepast.es/3b62b5fb49bb081d

wanna try using rain and water absorb

im new to rain teams how does this look

[true ether]

https://pokepast.es/514f1ca6511aefe5

i forgot the teras

[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/3477d78ff1b5decc opinions? i feel like archaludon doesnt do much here but i don't really have anything else

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/d7fb3265c49f310a

[tight adder]

i’ll swap ape out for it

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/fed0736ef8bfc231 rate plz

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[lone hamlet]

Im tired of using tr grandpa!

[hollow fable]

That's too damn bad! You keep tr'ing

[ripe turret]

this guy doesn’t think that I’m good enough for them (jk)

[ripe turret]

this looks ok but I’d go with TR over TW and wide guard over dgleam on luna, encore over taunt on whims, flame charge over dragon claw on korai, and replace gholdengo and harc with incin and flutter

you can also try bonnet over whims and chi-yu over incin (so basically gio’s team)

[visual pelican]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regh-2463656517-3dn0jv84hnqyu5ookltq5fo354fegiwpw

[true ether]

i wanna run a rain water absorb team but idk what water absorber would be good and i feel like my team isnt the best any tips

https://pokepast.es/3759eea272e0fdd4

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[pearl valley]

i mean you can rate it too

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/171678e60b0583fa
put the playstyle of my old maus team into a more balance archetype, any opinions?

[pearl valley]

bro just run that team that won both miluwakee and frankfurt regionals

literally just that team but with diff movesets

[nova spindle]

https://pokepast.es/f4566fe2e5d4abd3

my flex slot is magmar but the slot needs to be a dozo tatsu answer and have redirection or fake out to slow down and protect pult and mo-o pre set up i did see something about av gambit being good into it but i need the bulk on incin for dug core
i had pollen puf sash vivillion to get to omni boost on mo-o and put it to sleep but that puts mo-o at to much of a risk pre set up
two omni boosts

i need a answer into lele six that won Frankfurt and Milwaukee

[pearl valley]

idt you need both kommo-o and pult

for dozo theres haze primarina which fits very well on this team

also you should just go 252 hp 252 attack 4 on gambit

[nova spindle]

i need pult to threaten fast kills on dengo and other ghost and provide pressure for kommo-o to set up but i will try haze prim and the gambit

[pearl valley]

you literally aleready have gambit for that

[nova spindle]

not really cause this team uses gambit as a late game sweeper

and people leave pult answers and calc way more now

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/d7fb3265c49f310a

repost

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[pearl valley]

sucker punch

and also in the late game stuff like sneasler can ruin your day

[grizzled nacelle]

its... something

https://pokepast.es/c3adf18bff61c929

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[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/7791932dae53e35e
i want to fit follow me over taunt on maus while still having a taunter, any suggestions?

and i still need to keep AV on rilla

[grizzled nacelle]

why do you need taunt exactly

besides

you can drop encore

[lavish nexus]

otherwise there's not much to break through hard tr or rocky helmet amoonguss

[lavish nexus]

encore is so goated on maus tho

faster than ninetails, who also runs encore

[grizzled nacelle]

could potentially go tera grass on archaludon, also hurricane does like 80 to amoonguss

hard trickrooom needs more than taunt though

cause it usually comes with follow me support

[pearl valley]

this please

[ripe turret]

miracle seed rilla seems like your best bet here

if it gets taunt (which I’m pretty sure it does) then you free up follow me on maus and the AV for arch as a bonus

as a side note I think basc is better than blursa here

because your team is mostly very slow

wait I didn’t see the other message 💀

is there a specific reason for you wanting to keep AV rilla?

because I think the team as a whole functions much better if you change it

[ripe turret]

that looks

very sus

tera fire cc incin?

non shell smash blastoise?

electrode-h?

clefable?

and some interesting EVs/IVs and natures

tera ghost on p2 lets you get a ghost type move and freed up the slot to run ice beam which imo is more important, EVs

empoleon is bad

min speed rilla is pretty bad

not sure what entrainment is doing on araq

double flying move + no tw min speed peli is questionable

ice punch over headlong rush on ursa is kinda crazy

[ripe turret]

^

like tbh it looks like a HTR team but it has no way to sweep outside of ursa

which takes a turn to set up

[supple bear]

https://pokepast.es/6697cb9df85e5fa1

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[supple bear]

running a storm drain comp but wondering wha ti can do to improve it

and make it feel more consistant

[ripe turret]

not to be mean but this team is just absolutely all over the place

np zoro, mixed attacking arch, tera dark basc, specs gastro

this team is gonna need a massive overhaul if you want it to work

if you want to stick with the rain core you can keep most of the mons, replace zoro, and just change up the sets a lot

I'll send an updated paste once I have time

[supple bear]

kk

[grizzled nacelle]

ignore tera 😭

original idea of the team is electro web slow down, gholdengo kills

clefable there to redirect attacks, electrode can just blow up bad matchups like ursaluna and dondozo with leaf storm

and then a rain mode for fire type coverage

incineroar just completed fire water grass core and then theres the steel fairy fighting yet to be completed

didnt see need for flare blitz for anything in particular so i chose close combat, especially since im missing a fighting type

every tera except pelipper and incin im confident in, and some of the ev spreads (pelipper and clefable) were made with no real aim in mind

[lavish nexus]

i was experimenting with that a bit

https://pokepast.es/bff909582c3970ce

[lavish nexus]

lives a pelliper hurricane

[indigo rune]

https://pokepast.es/441601cb04ce456c this is my homemade team but i never find myself bringing luna or using him all that much. any improvements or suggestions? also i swapped helping hand for encore on whimsicott

[lavish nexus]

whims isn't really doing anything here and also why is it running tr, try torkoal and run sun room

[indigo rune]

It's running tr to counter other tr

It works most of the time maybe cause I'm low elo

[jolly fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/cd4a386ecc45e9ed reg j team

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[ripe turret]

if it's just for that one reason then I think you're far and away better going with miracle seed

archaludon really needs AV on stamina setup sets, and miracle seed rilla can outspeed and OHKO peli anyways

as a side note I'd go aqua jet>icy wind on basc because there's still a decent amount of things that outspeed you in rain/out of it

[broken shuttle]

some of this is fine i just don’t really understand why the eleki and torkoal are there

having both hands and incin is also kind of redundant here

i would start with the caly/miraidon core and then pick one of hands or incin

i like farig into the reg J ladder a decent amount as just general anti-BS especially into gambit ape + magearna stuff

i think you should go towards miraidon/caly-i/iron hands/farigiraf +2

maybe something like grimmsnarl in the last slot

and a lando-i to help you force more damage into stuff like zamazenta & incin

[grizzled nacelle]

real

ok so two teams for Reg J

https://pokepast.es/8a067a03817e4de5

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[grizzled nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/30988fead255c132

[toxic cedar]

just started 30 minutes ago is this fire?

[celest gulch]

now thats a rmt of all time

[toxic cedar]

i dont get all these fancy acronyms 😭

like i have NO clue what sv ou is or om or OU or um or rmt or UU or RU or PUor any of that lol

[celest gulch]

rmt stands for rate my team. im saying you cooked, but burnt the entire kitchen, the house, and the neighborhood along with it

[toxic cedar]

oh thanks bro

i literally put my fav pokemon in there

i still can't decide if diancie or mismagius is my favorite oat because i HATE mismagiuses shiny and LOVE diancie BUT i love everything esle about mismagius a little more than i d with diancie

[sleek laurel]

Unfortunately, this team is not viable or usable in competitive terms if you’re looking for a PvP team

I understand where you come from and how new you are, but competitive play will always have a very well established metagame starting from week 1, and it may undergo mild changes but it’s never going to be a drastical discovery of an entire new set of Pokémon being good

If you’re looking to actually build a competitively viable team, I would recommend checking out the resources we in Smogon offer that kind of help tell newer players which Pokémon are good or bad

[sleek laurel]

But since you’re newer than most people who join this server, tell me if you’re keeping up with what I’m saying first lol

[toxic cedar]

well idk i wasnt looking to play competitively.. on the pokemon showdown website it said my team was "viable" to actually play the gamemode and i dont really care about anything more than that especially becasue im very bad at the game and only play for fun, thats also why i sent this in here as mainly a joke cause it is literally just my favorite pokemon

[supple bear]

did u ever get to it?

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/9b027b7612b3cf57 oops I kinda forgot here

you can also try lorb over band on basc if you like the flexibility

tbh I just took one of my teams and slapped on a gastrodon

[sleek laurel]

I see

I understand the feeling, and don’t worry about it. But the usage of this channel is intended strictly for competitive play advice

So if you’re looking to play a “for fun” team, be my guest, but please don’t send it for rating

Good luck with your games though

[toxic cedar]

oh mb

[hollow fable]

https://pokepast.es/7c74652a5ec6f7fc (Reg h) Can I have help with a last mon, ev help (smogon stats), and just any thoughts?

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[wispy spruce]

https://pokepast.es/83f88d479efdcbbf opinions?, personally i feel like archaludon doesnt do much here

[steady gyro]

please dont use pop bomb maus with sash

rilla halfs ur dmg with eq so its not optimal

[wispy spruce]

maus is moslty here to use follow me to help set up tr

[steady gyro]

thus ur wasting a moveslot using population bomb when it will 100% miss

basically 100%

you could either use wide lens to actually do dmg or use sash friend guard to let ur tr setter tank more hits

[steady gyro]

brambleghast is not standard at all

so ur team is pretty weak to incin

you want a counter to that for the last slot

[steady gyro]

also imo rilla and amoonguss do not belong together

youd rather incin over rilla

[hollow fable]

yep I just wanted to use brambleghast

he's been pretty strong when ive played

singlehandedly saved me some games

[lavish nexus]

ill probably switch to it since ive changed to running dark pulse on arch for the gholdengo matchup, so i can just run AV anyways

[hollow fable]

any suggestions that fit with the team?

[steady gyro]

ur team seems to have no structure

no visible core

so i have no idea how to add a new mon

but sd gambit might fit okay with buzz?

[ripe turret]

if you're worried about gholdengo snarl is better

• electro shot is a 2hko

[ripe turret]

brambleghast gets poltergeist right?

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/f58b2505f140917e

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[light nebula]

ive never used indeedee before now

do i need like heavy heavy surgery or just a better tera type

i also probably have too many fire types

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/26f161456ba55bf1

another version of the team

edited more

[broken shuttle]

correct

[broken shuttle]

i don't really get what this team is going for, you have the beginnings of a hard trick room team with torkoal + indeedee/arma, but incin volc oricorio don't fit on that archtype at all

additionally oricorio is just not a viable pokemon at all— it can probably cheese you a few wins but in a competitive enviornment most teams will have the tools to handle it

what are you trying to build here, exactly?

[broken shuttle]

i feel like a lot of these sets are just a little bit off
the combination of timid arch and bulky ghold is kind of troll, usually you'd run bulky archaludon and timid ghold on this kind of structure that way you're actually able to take advantage of the stamina boosts
if you're really worried about your spore weakness go tera grass on the archaludon over bug, also drop dark pulse for flash cannon— you don't need it to hit ghold, just click electro shot. drop protect on rillaboom for grassy glide, taunt is good for anti-amoonguss & tr but you really need grassy glide on rilla.

[lavish nexus]

that arch can outspeed and ohko gholdengo

[broken shuttle]

TL:DR

• bulky arch with electro shot>dark pulse & tera grass
• grassy glide over protect on rilla
• fast gholdengo

[broken shuttle]

so can your basculegion

[lavish nexus]

but they tera into that

[broken shuttle]

you don't need to use archaludon to OHKO ghold

[lavish nexus]

they don't expect to be outsped by arch

[broken shuttle]

you can just electro shot and outbulk it

[lavish nexus]

you can't tera water into arch, and so it lets the dark pulse kill

[broken shuttle]

i am rating this under the assumption that it's being used for a bo3 OTS format

that is not consistent at all

why would you OHKO it when you could use it to set up with electro shot

bulky archaludon essentially walls gholdengo regardless

[lavish nexus]

because a +2 shadow ball will ohko

[broken shuttle]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 153-181 (77.6 - 91.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

?

[lavish nexus]

wait

[broken shuttle]

this is also not even into a super bulky AV arch

[lavish nexus]

fuck i did the calcs before i added av

nvm 🥀

[broken shuttle]

+2 252 SpA Life Orb Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Archaludon: 125-148 (63.4 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[lavish nexus]

yea i can probably drop it then

i did all the calcs when i was running power herb

never actually redid them

[broken shuttle]

you should also consider tera steel on your ghold

i don't think it makes as much sense to go life orb if you aren't going to be maximizing your offensive output with tera steel

[light nebula]

When I do bring it it's been fun, but yeah I've been having a hard time finding teammates for those two

Incin seems to be pretty good, and I like torkoal setting up sun

And I based indeedee arma off of being good with torkoal

And arma with speed boosts (baton pass from ori) has wiped the floor with a few people

So I wanted torkoal to be a bit chunkier, hence tera grass

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/2675147fb4428575 third change any opinions?

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[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/d82aa1f2c2654b03 I'm not good enough to know whether it's me that sucks, the team, or more likely both.

[ripe turret]

I think it looks mostly solid, I like the swamp mode

that being said there are a few things you can change

ursa and prima definitely don't need to be 0 speed here

you can try haze dnite over low kick

[ripe turret]

and amoonguss

some of your EVs are wasting a stat point

and most of your teras can be changed

[cerulean sky]

How so?

[ripe turret]

a defensive tera on prim (grass, poison, and steel work depending on what you value)

ghost on ursa to avoid fighting moves and fake out

water/ghost on atales, water for the defensive properties or ghost to avoid fake out since it is a light clay set

fairy on dnite, the defensive benefits outweigh the offensive benefit of normal and also makes you immune to dragon moves

[cerulean sky]

The damage boost is not worth it for tera normal ursa?

[ripe turret]

normal is only really worth it on teams with strong priority blocking which you don't have

[cerulean sky]

https://pokepast.es/aa965db70e282da4 something like this would be better then?

[ripe turret]

protect>encore on prim and I would run a different item, probably lorb

you can also shift 4 EVs from ursa's spdef into speed

you can also optimize your EVs a little better

but yeah everything else looks solid

I would recommend following the sets on smogon

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/c70e1f481c9dc7cb reg j ho

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[lone hamlet]

Got to 1300 with this

[nova spindle]

looks good i dont play reg j but are there any mons that do half or less to iron val with out the bulk at 0 you shouldn't need to activate sash

[rocky hamlet]

well as a fellow reg j sufferer

i like ur team overall

but

but

why iron valiant on a koraidon team?

and indeedee without imprison?

my suggestion would be to swap iron valiant for gouging fire (if we're running sun) or flutter (bcs its flutter) and put imprison on indeedee

@lone hamlet

[lone hamlet]

Bc cc is a funny move

[rocky hamlet]

fair lol

just a suggestion as always but best of luck!

[lone hamlet]

Oh what? Youre dragon can resist the elements?
Well how about the element of suprise!

clicks cc

[rocky hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-gif-13481320143050343709

[lone hamlet]

I really like drawback moves

[lone hamlet]

Also bc 135 atk is insane

Flutter dont have high power moves

[steady gyro]

it has speed and speed control

thats good

and isnt slowed down by incin

[lone hamlet]

If it cant nuke properly it isnt a nuke

Its a bomb

[steady gyro]

valiant isnt usually used as a nuke

[lone hamlet]

usually

[steady gyro]

if pao was here than maybe itd do decent dmg

but like

also why no cloak torn

[lone hamlet]

Make sense

[steady gyro]

it also gets sunnyday

it should i think

helps against kyogre

[lone hamlet]

Speed protosynthesis or atk protosynthesis

For flutter

[steady gyro]

speed 100%

run timid

[lone hamlet]

Focus or LO

[steady gyro]

sash

so it lives barrage

[lone hamlet]

Who should i LO then

[steady gyro]

csr?

[lone hamlet]

Right

[steady gyro]

also go tera dark or normal on csr

offensice tera is not worth it on it

esp since its not sash and is lorb

nasty plot is kinda weird here imo because ur already doing big dmg

smth like psychic can make sure your csr just doesnt do nothing because of wide guard

[lone hamlet]

Torn what should sunny day replace

Ig icy wind

[steady gyro]

taunt is also weird esp sinc you have psyterrain on ur team

abit subotimal

[lone hamlet]

Im not usually running indeedee

If they have tr then ill bring

[steady gyro]

and imo scarf is better on chi yu

so you can get snarls on mirais and stuff and outspeed csr

[lone hamlet]

Shouldn't tailwind be fast enough

[steady gyro]

what if opponents has tw 🤯

[lone hamlet]

I die

[steady gyro]

also csr with no expanding force with dd is just such a waste

[lone hamlet]

So what youre saying

Invest in speed even if im using tailwind

[steady gyro]

yes so you dont have to lead torn every single time

and actually can lead flutter yu

and wreak havok

[lone hamlet]

No sun?

I for some reason feel like its a waste to use scarf instead of specs on yu

[lone hamlet]

Im gonna be funny and use choice spec csr 😎

[steady gyro]

its a very solid lead that threatens alot

[lone hamlet]

So sun later got it

[steady gyro]

no its just a lead

you could go flutter korai

csr chi yu

[lone hamlet]

Korai chi yu?

[steady gyro]

depends on the mu

because chi yu lowers spdef

its kinda better for it go with speciall attacker

but if firing off big heatwaves is ur wincon

then go for it

[lone hamlet]

Fine ill use scarf...

Then if i have already fast guys, why tailwind 🤔

[steady gyro]

because other people have tw but tw is not very standard on these type of teams

I have seen whimms

[lone hamlet]

But i love temporary terrain changes :D
And im totally gonna start every battle with torn

(jk)

[steady gyro]

also band korai makes you incredibily weak to sash csr

or ones with tw

because u cant protect\

no flame charge is also weird imo

[lone hamlet]

Just a thought, how good would spec csr be.

No normal type enemy oc

[steady gyro]

weak to wide guard

incin

usable in HO

prob requires a whole very specific team around it

with alot of redirection

[lone hamlet]

If i wanna switch LO to korai, that would mean leaving csr itemless.

[steady gyro]

also im speaking from a reg i bo3 perspecitve lol

[lone hamlet]

Ir any alt?

[steady gyro]

i mean you could go clam with collcourse

[lone hamlet]

Clam?

[steady gyro]

so maybe Bo1 might have a lil room for more shenenigans

clear amulet

[lone hamlet]

Oh, no dmg mult.
But still korai still hit like a semi

[lone hamlet]

The best type in the game is the type of suprise

[ripe turret]

idk where your team is at now (I don’t really feel like reading 107 messages) but based off of your original paste every single mon needs to have their set changed and you can probably replace val

like I guess this team is fine if you want to do a little bo1 trolling

but outside of that it’s not really that great

so to start off change korai to a lorb set

the extra damage is not really worth being locked into a move especially since that move you’re being locked into is less likely to get an OHKO compared to miraidon and will also get weakened by intimidate

lorb offers a similar power increase, letting you KO many of the same targets, and has a more manageable downside

second of all, you can definitely just replace val with flutter here

speed control, better typing, and not being hindered by intimidate make this mon a much better pick, and you don’t really miss the fighting coverage because korai has that in spades

wide lens on torn is much less useful than something like a covert cloak to ensure that fake out doesn’t slow your momentum, also icy wind provides less value here than something like sunny day just to ensure that you have weather control

csr looks mostly fine but go with tera dark and psychic over dark pulse

indeedee definitely needs imprison otherwise you have no way to deal with HTR

also I would run psyseed for the extra survivability

and finally chi-yu definitely wants scarf over specs here

[lone hamlet]

Oh thanks

But still, choice spec scr bc funny to see both healthbar drain in 1 move

Csr

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/7fca0401e028a403 team looks like this after changes

[vagrant orchid]

Here's my reg j psyspam team
What changes should I make
https://pokepast.es/5e9768afd21e5a7d

[lone hamlet]

Actually specs is annoying to use, so how does spell tag csr sound

[ripe turret]

it’s probably your best option here tbh

because lorb and sash are already taken

you could run booster flutter alternatively

[lone hamlet]

If i wanna make a team have to have a goal

I want my team to ko a pokemon in a single blow

(with tailwind advantage

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/d73150729fff3bce trying another take at oricorio i wanna see if i can get more out of dancer than just pairing it with volc

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[light nebula]

its not done YET but i wanna know if im cooking or not

i still think volc is the best teammate for the bird at this moment but i wanted to try and let it pass phys boosts too

Thinking about it I might try to spitball some kinda mix between this and the team I already have

I can swap out eruption on torkoal for something more defensive probably and indeedee could go to the wayside

But then 3 fires + flying + volc is a lot of rock weakness

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/e053ac58f1e214fd reg h cooking

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[ripe turret]

none of the mons here should be 0 speed, some of your mons have imperfect EVs, all of your mons have unoptimized EVs, and you need a couple of set changes

and you have no teras

https://pokepast.es/040100e9790f8bc6 here's a fixed version

[hot hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/ec34496fb737d581

never made a trick room team before but here's an attempt for reg h. i either start with lilligant or indeedee, and zoroark's only really there for a trick and taunt lead since idk who else to put. i often struggle with opponents protect stalling though. suggestions are very welcome 🤞

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[broken shuttle]

few odd techs here, covert cloak is really unnecessary on indeedee since you already set psychic terrain to block fake out
wide lens lilligant is rly unnecessary, if you need to hit sleep powder you're just gonna have to roll it— focus sash is much better for allowing you to actually live hits & possibly sleep powder twice
close combat ursaluna is rly ass, drop it for substitute/swords dance
zoroark-h is really bad and should not be on the team, drop it for clear amulet or safety goggles gallade to actually pressure incinceroar
solar beam is a bad move on torkoal, you don't really hit many relevant things with it, you need earth power to hit incin

https://pokepast.es/d3a0b45d914f2f1e

this should be much better

you should make sure that all of your mons have a speed reducing nature so that opposing trick room teams do not always outspeed you under trick room

[uncut kettle]

https://pokepast.es/c6dce1532f43afbc

[drifting onyx]

Hey @uncut kettle, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[hot hamlet]

Aight many thankss 🙏

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/e75ac8124edd60df

helpsmn

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[ripe turret]

it honestly looks fine

is there anything in particular you’re struggling with?

[warped citrus]

Haven't made a team in a while https://pokepast.es/4f0ce6b120c60723 this might be bad but i want it to work (reg h) even though i have never been good a making trick room teams

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[sleek laurel]

Trick Room teams are good, but unfortunately, many of the specific Pokémon and sets you’ve chosen here are unviable

I’m assuming you’re relatively new to the game/meta?

[warped citrus]

I had a feel2

Feeling

[sleek laurel]

Farigiraf and Amoonguss are good Pokémon who need slight set changes here

Same with Bloodmoon, I didn’t see that due to the image blackout lol

The other 3 unfortunately are unviable

[warped citrus]

Ok time to remake

[sleek laurel]

But Farig Bloodmoon Amoong is a good core

You probably don’t want full on Trick Room with this core tho

[warped citrus]

👍

[sleek laurel]

But soft Trick Room with these 3 is great

Farig has fallen off a bit but I honestly still like it

(And it’s not bad at all, just not as dominant)

[sleek laurel]

I can give you a prototype Farig Soft Room team if you want

And some explainations

[warped citrus]

Sure

[sleek laurel]

Lemme get one real quick

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/1670b02158677ae9

Good old team, taken from a friend

[warped citrus]

Ok thx

[sleek laurel]

Twin Beam Farig is very good for a reason btw

Because it OHKOs Sneasler

[sleek laurel]

You can also do Tera Stellar Sneasler > Dark

You lose Throat Chop STAB which makes opposing Gholdengo more difficult but get multiple good OHKOs with Close Combat

Stuff like Archaludon, Incineroar after Intimidate (unless very physdef), plus guarantee stuff like Rillaboom with Dire Claw

It’s an option thing really

[warped citrus]

👍

[sturdy pecan]

ig ground type coverage slightly

acc n v mind

lowk idrk

i got to 1300 without much issues

landos a little fraik

frail*

so do i invest some bulk in t

in it

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/7ac53beea551d84d

So far this teams been great for me but I am not immune to wanting input

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[light nebula]

The strat is lead ori with either volcarona or Gyarados and get dance+tailwind off t1

I do get shit on by trick room

but atp I don't care I just take the loss

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/5692d2e4dc3f2768
wondering if i should run protect or taunt on rilla here

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[sleek laurel]

I would do High Horsepower

Especially since it’s the Miracle Seed set

But if you don’t see the need for it because you have enough Fire-type counterplay

Then Taunt

Weather Ball on Pelipper is also worth considering even with Primarina cause it’s just so reliable

But I like the workarounds and move management you did here

[lavish nexus]

I'd have to check the calc into gholdengo for high horsepower

If it kills ill run it

since the team struggles allot into it

in particular against ninetails gholdengo

since pelliper arch can counter gholdengo, but with ninetails around it's much harder

[lavish nexus]

252+ Atk Miracle Seed Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 52 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo in Grassy Terrain: 89-105 (52.6 - 62.1%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

im not sure what bulk dengo normally runs, but any EVs above that make killing rng

with 156 HP EVs it's a 50/50 to kill

high horsepower will always 2hko

[sleek laurel]

It runs way more bulk than this

Usually it runs 212 at least for setup

Unless it’s Specs

Specs runs less if not none

[lavish nexus]

then ill probably run hh

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/7609424467db3ea6 i dont know wtf im doing and i think thats pretty clear. Biggest problem is that if my opponent gets past trick room, i instantly lose

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[sleek laurel]

Team looks mainly fine, I wouldn’t run CC on Ursa

And some Tera Types could be changed

CIR wants Tera Fire to ignore Incin altogether (Water can also work but I like Fire a lot in these comps), Ursa wants Ghost to ignore Fake Out more reliably, and Amoonguss wants Water (because being weak to CIR’s High Horsepower isn’t ideal if you wanna resist Glacial Lance)

Probably Substitute or Earthquake on Ursa

You can also do Pollen Puff > Sludge Bomb on Amoonguss to side heal

Rest is fine it seems

[ivory linden]

Really?

I figured i needed a backup incase tr failed

[sleek laurel]

You have

It’s called Miraidon

This team also has great pivot options

[ivory linden]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-yachty-censored-not-drake-tech-support-gif-8658410013845332703

[sleek laurel]

So repositioning shouldn’t be too hard

[ivory linden]

With its speed stat not fully invested i think i still get touched innapropriately by shadow

[sleek laurel]

Oh, I see wym

Yea, you could probably make use of a Tailwinder tbh

Maybe over Amoonguss

Since you’re going to be activating Electric Terrain the entire game anyway

[ivory linden]

Tailwind and tr?

[sleek laurel]

You don’t use both at the same time

But yes TailRoom is a legit archetype

You can bring each depending on the matchup, or even both and setup for one early- and one late-game mode

But that’s more advanced stuff

Mirai + Amoong is still legit btw

But if you wanna replace something for another way to attain Speed control

That’s probably the weakest link

[ivory linden]

Among feels like dead weight against the horses because rage powder isnt doing jackshit

[ivory linden]

Whimsicott

[sleek laurel]

Whimsi or Booster Energy Roaring Moon are my favorite options on Miraidon CIR

And the most popular in general

[ivory linden]

Over what? CC?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[ivory linden]

I'l try both

Roaring probably gives better offensive output anyways

[sleek laurel]

The former provides Light Screen and Encore to troll Protect, Roaring gives more offensive output and a CSR check

[ivory linden]

My main leads are like
Miraidon farig
Incinderoar farig
Miraidon whimsi
Incinderoar whimsi

Right?

[sleek laurel]

Probably not Incin Whimsi

Mirai Incin seems more legit in a vacuum

But it’s very game dependant

[ivory linden]

Tailwind crunch taunt and -?

For RM

Im assuming i do booster speed

[sleek laurel]

Tailwind Knock Acro Protect

And yes booster Speed

Tera Flying for Acro

[ivory linden]

Is taunt still usable if i need it or

[sleek laurel]

Yes

But you need to drop either Acro or Protect

Preferably Tect

Because Acro is really needed for offensive output and Tect, while great, isn’t as necessary on your Tailwinder

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/df960ff967bf42c9

[sleek laurel]

Helmet Incin

Safety Goggles on a Miraidon team is unnecessary

Ig you can keep it for the Rilla Amoong matchup in case they Spore the Incin but that’s going to be

FAR more situational than getting chip with Helmet on Pao, Ursh, and similars in like any other game

[ivory linden]

Makes sense

Ty

[sleek laurel]

Other than that it’s great and np

[ivory linden]

Do i need to change my evs?

[sleek laurel]

You sent me an OTS version so

Idk LOL

[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/60971e273cc27d69

[sleek laurel]

A few EVs are worth changing yea

Lemme get you some spreads if you want

[ivory linden]

Ofc

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/6d95e7e8b39f767f

You can do a bit of Speed on Ursa too if you want it on the Tailwind mode

But I honestly find myself using Ursa only on TR on these kinda teams

CIR appreciates the Speed but Ursa not as much

Also wait

It’s supposed to be204 Speed on Mirai

That’s me being blind and dumb

[ivory linden]

Im gonna rely on miraidon, rm, cir and incin for TR

[sleek laurel]

You mean TW

[ivory linden]

204 over what

[ivory linden]

Yes

[sleek laurel]

Yea that’s what I do too

[sleek laurel]

Over the 180

That I input in a hurry

And didn’t realize I did not click enough to the right on my screen

It’s missing 24 EVs for nothing LOL

[ivory linden]

Oh

Yea i noticed that

TY

[sleek laurel]

Np

[lone hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/d3b0e4fc56091578 rate this troll team

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[sturdy pecan]

heres the team im using idk hwo to countee those tailwiind water spout teams https://pokepast.es/879eb92f2a4ef026

[lavish nexus]

meowstic isn't really doing anything here, if you want prankster gravity then run sableye, kyogre also doesn't have very much synergy

[lavish nexus]

should have earth power over sandsear if you're not running rain, farig also isn't doing much and goes against what most of the team wants, try something with speed control, either icy wind / electro web or tailwind

[sturdy pecan]

so like alolan raichu?

due to surge sufer

what speed control mon i s good here

tornadud>?

tornadus

[lavish nexus]

i play bo3 so im not too sure on reg j

just look at the different mons who get either three moves, look at what they can do, and pick whichever fills the better role with your type matchups

[sturdy pecan]

oh

[sturdy pecan]

oh ok thx

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/2c00759bdeb52414 psyspam and hard tr is what im going for

its very much not done yet

[sturdy pecan]

theres better expanding force users over reinclus liek armaoruge

for tr

[drifting onyx]

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[ivory linden]

https://pokepast.es/cabd31075de51c44

Tried building around A-tails, and the team is generally a mess. The biggest issue is that its basically impossible to set up veil, tailwind, and psychic terrain all in 1 match – so 1 will probably have to go.

[jolly fulcrum]

thanks i was having trouble against zama

[shy peak]

https://pokepast.es/9f248f6bfde3007c my first attempt at a VGC team some tips/feedback would be appreciated

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[sleek laurel]

This is

Awkwardly good for a first try ever

There are some weak links and notes to be made but lemme start off by saying this is one of the best first-try teams I’ve rated

[shy peak]

that's good to hear

I just threw in electric surge and rain with Wolfey Incineroar and called it a day

[sleek laurel]

The only Mon I would replace altogether is Iron Crown

Mainly because your team is overflowing with Special offense and lacks a bit in the Physical offense department

I think Iron Treads is actually a nice Mon to put here instead

It outspeeds and checks opposing Miraidon which can be troublesome (in Electric Terrain), offers Physical offense, and offers a Ground-type

Another option is Iron Hands which is useful to have a secondary check for Trick Room teams

Because this team has means to deny Trick Room from going up but if it does go up, it’s an incredibly uphill battle

I think I like Hands more for that reason in hindsight

[shy peak]

okay, thanks for the feedback!

[sleek laurel]

Although

Hands relies on Assault Vest which could be an issue

Lemme think a bit

[sleek laurel]

You can do Specs Miraidon and AV Hands or keep AV Miraidon and do either Choice Band or Focus Sash Treads

I really like your understanding of AV Miraidon here because you already have a lot of explosive power

But if you do Hands then that can’t be helped because AV is the only viable item on it

Oh, and one last, very minor detail

Ice Beam -> Thunder on Kyogre

I know what the logic behind Thunder is, but it turns out that at the end of the day, it’s unnecessary

You have an entire Miraidon which offers explosive Electric-type damage, which btw since you’re running Assault Vest, should be using Tera Electric

[shy peak]

true

if I do Treads do I go full on offense or do I keep some pivot?

[sleek laurel]

Either way works

I think I like Volt Switch here tho

Especially since it’s so fast in Terrain

And you have Miraidon and Incineroar to couple the pivoting with

Honestly

You know what I’d do?

Life Orb Treads with HHP, Iron Head, Steel Roller and Protect, no pivot on this one

And then Choice Band Basculegion with Flip Turn > Protect

Life Orb is just a better item on Treads, Basc actually deals VERY good damage with its pivot move so being Choice locked is not as bad, and you don’t want to Protect with it because you lose Rain turns

Ofc having Protect is valuable but if you have to Tect Basc, you’re kind of losing momentum anyway

[shy peak]

https://pokepast.es/b9057a3cb02a9a8a so like this

[sleek laurel]

Protect > Switch on Treads cause the pivot is more valuable on Basc

And Tera Water Basc is more useful early game, as well as for Aqua Jet, and you don’t need Tera Ghost for Last Respects at all

Beyond that, yes

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/0b86075a62e04ca4

@shy peak I changed one or another EV spread because I realized some small things (which are a little hard to notice as a newer player)

I changed the Kyogre spread back to the bulkier, 44 Speed one from Reg G because the 212 Speed investment is built specifically to outspeed -1 Speed Koraidon and Miraidon - but your team’s Speed control is Tailwind, and you have none of Electroweb, Icy Wind etc, so it’s not an actual benchmark

Basculegion is a little faster to outspeed all Incineroar outside of Rain (but that’s optional), HP investment is good to make Wave Crash recoil less felt but you can do 76 HP and 220+ Attack as well if you want (140+ is still useful to get the OHKO onto Incineroar with Tera Water-boosted or Rain-boosted Wave Crash even through Intimidate, preventing Knock Off or anything similar)

And then Whimsi and Miraidon’s updates are entirely optional, I cannot force myself to use non-252+ Speed Whimsi because the mirror just feels so bad but you can do whatever you’re more comfortable with

While 252+ Miraidon is kind of comfort for me as well in terms of non-Specs because you sometimes miss the damage, but this team is so explosive that you possibly don’t care anyway

But most of this is very minor updates, only the Kyogre spread is really worth checking out the change because 212 Speed without Icy Wind or Electroweb is not a benchmark, though it’s just a hard thing to notice when teambuilding

The rest is all comfort

Anyway I monologued, hope you enjoy the team tho lol

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/13766cd358c5ee93
any thoughts? I have 0 experience in vgc

[ripe turret]

which regulation is this team supposed to be for?

[sand minnow]

no idea made it at regulation g

[ripe turret]

ok so the two regulations running right now are H and J

H allows all mons in the dex other than paradoxes, legendaries, and mythicals, while J allows all mons in the dex with up to 2 restricted legendarys/mythicals

[sand minnow]

ohh I didn't know that yet okay I'll make a new team

[unkempt bolt]

Lil theorycraftin for pokemon champions (assuming Mega Drampa gets drizzle)
Drampa-Mega @ Drampanite
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Hurricane
• Thunder
• Hyper Voice
• Dragon Pulse

Rillaboom @ Grassy Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Tera Type: Grass

• Fake Out
• Grassy Glide
• Knock Off
• Superpower

Farigiraf @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Normal
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Hyper Voice
• Dazzling Gleam
• Protect

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Fighting

• Heavy Slam
• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge

Camerupt-Mega @ Cameruptite
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Fire
IVs: 0 Atk

• Eruption
• Earth Power
• Protect
• Heat Wave

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/64afaa0ff17fa746 lmk if i cooked or if im gone too far

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[tight adder]

i kicked arcinine off the team idrk what to add but ive seen good stuff so far

[sleek laurel]

Folks, please do not submit teams for a hypothetical Pokémon Champions metagame prior to the game’s complete release and the re-opining of the channel afterwards.

Rating teams as a concept cannot be done speculatively. It requires theoretical knowledge and understanding of the metagame and available Pokémon cast in specific, none of which are obtainable until the game is not only out, but has been out for a few days already.

It is a common misconception to think that professional teambuilders can rate hypothetical teams just by fundamental knowledge, but they cannot. It’s just impossible. Even metagames that have been out for a while are always in constant development by the community as a whole, and the idea of a “metagame” is constantly shifting - there is no way to predict what the “meta” will be before it already exists.

Trying to predict what Pokémon Champions will look like is no different than creating an arbitrary metagame in your mind, and submitting teams for arbitrary metagames or with arbitrary restrictions is against Rate My Team’s rules, for this exact reason: there is no way for any of us to give any sort of valid, accurate, or in any way helpful advice.

[static moss]

hey chat

im looking for replacements for reuniclus on my doubles trick room team https://pokepast.es/36d01cb2402f31ea

it doesn't need to fill the same role as reuniclus. i just need a new mon straight up 😭

any recommendations would be nice, even if they're just good trick room mons in general (minus caly-ice im not using him im proving a point)

[sleek laurel]

I see a few misconceptions and problems here

First of all, Booster Energy doesn’t work on Koraidon, even when Sun isn’t up

Which is kinda dumb but it doesn’t (tbh it wouldn’t care anyway)

[hidden geode]

I realised that when I made the team but was too lazy to change it

So i just kept it like that

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

Also

I see that you’re trying to build Koraidon + Terapagos?

The core is good, but there’s a few too many weak links that we’d need to change in order to make the team fully viable

But it’s definitely salvageable because the core is good, it’d just be very different (as in, another, unrelated Koraidon Terapagos team)

Is that fine with you? I can get you something going if yes

@hidden geode

[hidden geode]

Yes

[sleek laurel]

Lol

Alright

I can give you some tips about it asw, lemme get the team real quick

[hidden geode]

Ok

[sleek laurel]

and explanations about each Mon

[hidden geode]

Yay tysm

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/c6a38cdadb1fd1b8

this is the team

[hidden geode]

Ol

Ok*

[sleek laurel]

If you need me to tell you anything about sets or EVs or lines, lmk

Cybertron also made a Ladder run with this a few months ago, though it was still Reg I and not J

[hidden geode]

Oh ok

Tysm alot

[sleek laurel]

It also had a misplaced Koraidon 4 EVs which I fixed for you

Having it in HP is good because you have Rillaboom

[hidden geode]

Yay

Oo

[sleek laurel]

And 4 HP Koraidon gets 176 which divides 16

Which means you heal 1 extra per turn w Grassy Terrain

Lmao

[hidden geode]

Dang we need maths😔

[sleek laurel]

Yes you do

Lol

But that’s the team

Tell me if you need help with anything, ping me even

[hidden geode]

Dang das though

[hidden geode]

Okk

[sleek laurel]

Gl goat

Welcome to VGC

[buoyant pike]

Hey there, I recently had a team built for me and I am getting absolutely dogwalked online rn, What should I change in the team (I'm not willing to take out meowcarada)
https://pokepast.es/7f0dca3b08bf18ab

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[ripe turret]

this looks like a solid team, but I really really really have to question what meow is doing there, it’s running TR when none of your mons can really take advantage of it and you don’t need another fast offense mon on this team, it looks like you probably want to build around it but you’d probably want to do it a little differently

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/8560498c95c801b0 won every singke match with these 5 but don’t know what to put for the 6th

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[sleek laurel]

Porygon2

A Trick Room mode helps a lot

Like a way to set up TR yourself

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/b4524d5654015141

this is the team i wish to run in the grand challenge

[buoyant pike]

TR is mainly to counter other TR setters which is one of the reasons it has Sash as well, if I get a counter TR up to reverse it to normal it feels pretty huge for me

[ripe turret]

TR on meow by itself is far from a good counter to other TR, it’s incredibly risky to try and reverse it because if you guess wrong then you’re doing the opponent’s job for them

taunt (if meow gets it) would be a far more consistent option

[ripe turret]

double AV

just run clam gallade with TR and protect instead

[cobalt karma]

I dont see how kingambit comes into this

I wouldnt use epack torkoal with incins all over the shop

torkoals also much better in tr or at a bare minimum with some form of redirection with a supportive mon

odd moveset for jumpluff aswell

[ripe turret]

eject pack is so that you can reset weather more easily

this is basically just marco sun but with gambit and chomp over ursa and incin

and the jumpluff set is perfectly normal

although I think running some more speed is better

[frank hazel]

https://pokepast.es/2be250dbbaf2c093

Trying to work with a ddozo tatsu core but i need hep refining it, Reg H

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cobalt karma]

epack causes more shit than issues it solves

[cobalt karma]

which is a massive difference...

[cobalt karma]

its not at all lmao

tailwinds usual

its a horrible backup setter

no pollen puff

sleep powder is somehow quite common but its so unreliable

overall its not worth a spot in a team

both charizard and jumpluff in 2025 VGC are not viable

theres a reason neither of them have had much major use or placements in 2024 and 2025

I know marco came 2nd and won with both

and theres been a few Top 50s here and there, but most are outside Top 100

[cobalt karma]

which doesnt auto make them viable, when most cases are poor

[cobalt karma]

same tournament had a kommo 3rd murkrow 17th and a snorlax 29th...

[ripe turret]

chat am I seriously getting ragebaited by someone’s alt

what even are these takes bro

I’m not gonna spend time arguing about this

[ripe turret]

right now the rest of your team outside of dozo tatsu is too passive

you also don’t need clam on inner focus dnite because the ability blocks intimidate anyways

most dozo teams are built for either stall or taking out its counters and letting it win in the late game

also specs tatsu is pretty mid

other than that there are a few moveset/EV changes that you could make

[cobalt karma]

its not an alt lmao

[cobalt karma]

its not takes?

never heard of statistics?

sleep powder is unreliable

not an opinion

its a statistic

charizard and jumpluff in 24-25 VGC have not had respectable placements across multiple formats, teams and competitors

not an opinion

statistic

marco did come 2nd twice I think, and won, not an opinion

statistic...

pollen puff is ran more, has better overall placements, and is a better move

not an opinion

once more, statistic

epack does cause more issues than problems it solves, wasnt even a month back someone had his tournament threw down the drain because of his torkoals epack

[cobalt karma]

and these are blatant statistics

[cobalt karma]

because ur not smart

and ur clueless

otherwise u would either accept what ive said is the sheer truth

or AT LEAST defend ur helpless corner...

[cobalt karma]

what are these teras 🙏 and inner focus x amulet?...

[pearl valley]

maybe because its, i dont know, crazy in sun with chlorophyll

[cobalt karma]

spore in tr > sleep powder in sun
and id rather not have a 1/4 chance of a potential sell from an out of control aspect

[pearl valley]

also it’s a bit suspicious that you made your discord account october 18th

[cobalt karma]

its not, at all...

[pearl valley]

Therefore how can i trust your claims

[cobalt karma]

because I have a new discord account?

[pearl valley]

and the same day you joined this server

no pfp, looks like an alt…I don’t know how youre gonna beat these allegations

[cobalt karma]

because I entered the servers I wanted to be in when I made an account?

[cobalt karma]

no pfp because im not 12?

I dont even have a username as such, its random letters

[pearl valley]

won LAIC btw

[cobalt karma]

I could not care much less about a picture online nor a username...

I am not that sad

[cobalt karma]

please dont start a supposed comparison between tr spore and sun powder

when tr spore has won more than sun powder ever will

[pearl valley]

This reg?

[cobalt karma]

overall

in pokemons existence

[pearl valley]

yeah no

you

basically saying dragonite is bad

[cobalt karma]

Gen 5 on its own has more tr spore wins in major tournaments than sun powder I think will ever achieve

[pearl valley]

gen 5 had a wildly different metagame

[cobalt karma]

"Yeah no"

when I said overall

pokemon did exist before Gen 9 btw

[cobalt karma]

I dont quite see how that has came into conversation...

[pearl valley]

??.

[cobalt karma]

horrible implications

[pearl valley]

???

[cobalt karma]

?

I do know what I said

do u know what overall means?

[pearl valley]

with the logic you’re saying, dragonite is terrible

get used to the meta before you start saying shit

[cobalt karma]

Gen 1-9, overall

Gen 9 on its own is not overall mate 🤦‍♂️

[pearl valley]

this is reg h not overall

[cobalt karma]

quite an odd statement to infer

quite an incorrect one aswell

[cobalt karma]

u asked what format I meant, I said overall

pokemon did exist before reg H aswell...

[pearl valley]

Well then give advice on the metagame we’re not here to discuss best sleep inducer of all time

[cobalt karma]

I did...

epack torkoal IS inconsistent and impossible to ever be dependant on

[pearl valley]

Why

[cobalt karma]

it has its uses but id rather not use epack when incineroar exists

[pearl valley]

Then that gives you a free switch into Charizard

[cobalt karma]

the exact numbers im not sure but I wouldnt be surprised if incin was on 70+% of teams

from what ive seen it comes across as 80-90% however thats on a much smaller scale of matches

[cobalt karma]

its not a bad set at all, its that torkoal can be deemed somewhat useless with an incin in their 4

[pearl valley]

you

can swap into charizard

[cobalt karma]

IF the incin is used well

[pearl valley]

if eject pack is activated

and if they dont lead incin you just sleep power and eruption or overheat

[cobalt karma]

so u would start EVERY match in a tournament with the same shit over and over?

nice idea...

[cobalt karma]

and when said person switches into an incin?

and takes ur torkoal out

[pearl valley]

how do you one shot torkoal again

[cobalt karma]

and unless its vest is ammune to sleep?

[pearl valley]

if theres a threat sleep powder

[cobalt karma]

the whole conundrum caused with epack torkoal is what makes it unreliable

and for new people who want to start VGC, even in other less recent formats with smaller skill caps, is not a set thats recommended

[pearl valley]

well i’m not new

[cobalt karma]

Yes marco uses epack torkoal

[pearl valley]

with the way you’re talking you’re probably new

[cobalt karma]

Yes he has some 2nds a 1st some Top 10s etc etc

irrelevant

These people are not marco

and at this rate wont ever be marco

u cannot steal someones team and expect to be even somewhat decent

[cobalt karma]

been in and around VGC for more time than uve been around pokemon...

so id think not

[pearl valley]

mate just because i used 3 pokemon he’s used im copying him???

”you used hisuian zoroark you’re copying wolfey”

[cobalt karma]

oh didnt even realise u were the one who used that team haha

what on earth is Chomp and Kingambit for?

and no pollen puff on Jumpluff

[pearl valley]

chomp because ground type

and earthquake spam

[cobalt karma]

The 3 specific mons that hes used better than others

hes not the best incin p2 or ursaluna user

however there is a debate on whether hes the best or up there with charizard and the rest

moreso charizard ive seen his name mentioned

[pearl valley]

we’re going off topic

[cobalt karma]

You used the number 3, and then named 1 pokemon after...

and he didnt make hisuian zoroark popular 🤦‍♂️

if someone used perish trap THEN id make that statement

because if we're honest fuck all other competitors use or promote it

its quite difficult to use it and not have a copied version of his team

[cobalt karma]

brilliant justifications

Chomp Ground Earthquake

[pearl valley]

you’re being a whiny crybaby right now who thinks they’re so good at vgc because they watch wolfey

[cobalt karma]

no... but ok?

Tad immature mate

one insult with zero justification or explanation... bit childish and doesnt make sense nor reflects what ive said

and what makes u think I have time to watch his 3 hour videos when I dont even have the will to make a discord username or pfp... 😂

u need to work on ur skills to infer, drop pokemon for a while and head back to school son 🤦‍♂️

on another note, please dont insult someone about VGC when ur entire team is 252 252 4 evs 😬 (par one...)

and the ONE that isnt 252 252 4 is a horrible ev spread

[ripe turret]

dude don’t interact with ragebait

just ignore them

[cobalt karma]

"ragebait" because u cant have a reasonable conversation with me is classic

admit ur incorrect and move on, not difficult

[sleek laurel]

What even is the argument here

[spiral gale]

Gonna be honest idfk

[sleek laurel]

I’m not sure on the spot of Jumpluff or Charizard Sun at the moment but it’s definitely not unviable

And while krx is right about Marco being Marco and other people not being Marco, Marco’s team is still getting results in lower level tournaments and online tournaments alike

Also, if you do run Jumpluff, Sleep Powder is a MUST

Just because a move is innacurate doesnt make it unusable and thinking it does is just as bad of a mistake as thinking you can click it in any situation

All that said, I do think the Whimsicott Sun structures are just better atm

[sleek laurel]

Sleep Powder is still not droppable on Jumpluff btw because it’s the only reason you would ever use it as your Tailwind setter

But I do think there are better setters, but saying it is unviable is very much a stretch

[granite basin]

the only reason you'd drop sleep powder is if you had morals but your playing vgc so that's impossible

[uncut cargo]

https://pokepast.es/e9b48bc1a3446349 I like to open with Chi yu and tornadus

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest cipher]

https://pokepast.es/207e5555e0a443eb

[tight adder]

mb idk why i put that. i got flame orb marvel scale milotic and av gallade

[pearl valley]

i think you should replace incin or chi yu

they overlap types

[ivory linden]

Chi-yu and incin both existing on the same team is fine

[pearl valley]

and chi yu’s attacks are weakened by rain

also you can have two restricteds

[ivory linden]

Yea this is the bigger issue

I'd probably say like
Miraidon > Rillaboom and then something else replacing chi-yu

[pearl valley]

• you shouldn’t run 252 252 4 sets on bulky mons

[pearl valley]

But then you can’t spore opponents

[ivory linden]

Rage power pollen puff alone is good enough support to justify it

Amoon + Miraidon is a legit thing

[pearl valley]

There are other redirectors

[pearl valley]

Then spore is just useless

[ivory linden]

Which they can use if they want but amoon is fine

[pearl valley]

Using other redirectors would make it better

like Ogerpon

[frigid dome]

hi yall my team for reg h https://pokepast.es/b58e452ab419e31f

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[vagrant orchid]

I made my first rain team any suggestions on how I could make It better
https://pokepast.es/4535e17512e466cc

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cinder glacier]

How's this

https://pokepast.es/2251dc59f96189f2

[ripe turret]

looks solid, go flip turn>protect on basc and your EVs can definitely be optimized but the mons & sets are good

I also like tera stellar to pick up ohkos on amoonguss and gholdengo and chunk rilla harder but up to you

on peli

[tight adder]

https://pokepast.es/61f6415649b4c200 took out hisui zoruark for rillaboom since it was kind of dead weight, im also considering gholdengo, lmk if i should and ehat i should swap it for

[uncut cargo]

https://pokepast.es/1eae84e176671252 I'm looking for a 6th mon

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[forest cipher]

i tried iron hands over incin
i also feel like oger evs are a little messy

[pearl valley]

you can use two restricteds

like miraidon

would be an option here

also that urshifu set

id reccomend the scarf set or sash set

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/e58611ac9a558fb5 alright with reg f being announced and me having absolutely no experience with the regulation whatsoever I decided that it was a good idea to create a team completely from scratch because that's obviously what you do when you have no clue what you're doing

so is it ok

[vagrant orchid]

Should I put it over pelliper since i already have rain from kyogre?

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/24809473dc498712 for regulation F

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl valley]

i think that pao pult can pull off crazy shit in this reg

couple of problems

flutter mane

[jovial creek]

Team looks good

Maybe tera fire rilla?

Helps to ease the flutter mu more

[pearl valley]

dragapult does outspeed at base BUT flutter has booster energy

[pearl valley]

what do you think abt replacing rillaboom with amoonguss

[jovial creek]

You dont bring pult into booster

Or you do in the back

[pearl valley]

i think that raging bolt might cause some issues

so thats why im considering amoonguss

[cinder glacier]

How so optimized

[ripe turret]

most of your spreads are 252 252ish

I can send over a paste with updated EVs if you like

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/065e21bc8514fedc new reg new team
tried going for a bolt cm balance team this time, the grass fire water core is pretty standard here, whims is there to punish passive play and threaten balance teams, and chien is here for early game picks and also to get rid of psy terrain

[sturdy pecan]

does reg f begin in 3 months?

or 2

[lavish nexus]

1

[sturdy pecan]

oh

[sturdy pecan]

reg f is playable on showdown now?

does reg f mean all restirced legendaies banned but thigns like urshifu allowed

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/7e991f2bbb018718

[ripe turret]

yea

[sturdy pecan]

thx

[ivory linden]

Change gromsnarl's name

Other than that team is fine

Change all those names actually what the fuck

Freaked out

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/abb3e0a3d7db0e34

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl valley]

well i lost to this so i cant rate it

(if i hadn’t tera’d i would’ve won btw)

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/696d092dd8af6e26 alright I changed up this team to include wellspring and holy hell does it feel good

setup hands is the absolute mvp of this team, give it a boost and it can literally 1v4

drain punch makes it unkillable and it threatens ohkos into frailer mons like ursh and ogerpon-h and huge damage into bulkier threats like bolt/rilla

dnite and pao do dnite and pao things with espeed spam

heatran is super nice as a bulky switch, is really difficult to get rid of after a sub, and can deal consistent damage with magma storm + earth power to hit fires

farigiraf is the enabler of this team, often times getting TR up means an instant game win with hands and it blocks priority which makes setup way easier, it can also pump out respectable damage with a throat spray boost

and finally wellspring, this is the mon that I'm the most iffy on but right now it functions pretty good as a late game cleaner/way to deal with fire types and urshifu-r

teras and movesets I'd say are pretty normal outside of hands, setup hands is kinda what I'm building this team around and tera fire lets it resist fairies and prevent burns

any suggestions would be great, I am the most iffy on the sets of the last 3 mons

[pearl valley]

sp

like heatran is sitting at less than 1% usage

i think giving hands fake out would be nice here

but like i think that you’ll have a decently difficult time into flutter mane with booster energy

[ripe turret]

forgot to mention but the ohkos are with sword of ruin/def drop

but ye

what would you suggest for booster flutter

I did play a couple matches against it and my main gameplan is just TR

smth like farig + wellspring lead

[pearl valley]

yeah get TR set up unless if they’re running sun

sun can cause a huge problem for your team

[ripe turret]

sun was the main reason I added heatran to my team

but I haven't really played against it all that much

so idk if heatran is really enough

[pearl valley]

Torkoal is at 4.95% usage but the main issue with heatran is that a lot of sun teams have ursaluna

[ripe turret]

against sun I like to burn tera on heatran but yeah I can see what you mean

so what would you suggest

also kinda related heatran ohkos ursa in sun + flash fire 💀

kinda crazy

[pearl valley]

what about bloodmoon ursa

[ripe turret]

it gets destroyed even harder lmao

only problem is if magma storm misses

then I might be cooked

[pearl valley]

i think tornadus with rain dance is a pretty good way to counter sun

also powers up ivy cudgel on ogerpon

hands should be AV

i also think ally switch on farigiraf is criminally underrated. makes your opponents very mad

[lavish nexus]

it was a good game tho, that tera blast goes hard

[lavish nexus]

what's your play against iron crown psyspam? your answer to psy terrain is chien but it dies to an ursh rapid strike which is normally run on crown teams

let's assume you bring chien and water pon, walling urshifu and being able to disable terrain, now you lose to a crown and indeedee opening with tachyon cutter

[pearl valley]

crown isn’t that fast + he has a heatran

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/959ffae59bf58560

two issues im mainly gonna ask about

first one is im not sure which of ninetales or aboma i want to be more bulk oriented, and which one i should be baton passing my stat buffs to

and the second one is what ninetales tera should be

im considering steel but that still keeps the fire weakness and i know that can absolutely shred ninetales

(i see a lot of ninetales and they go down to fiery dance REALLY easy)

actually would water work?

[pearl valley]

holy gimmick

first of all snow cloak atales with abomasnow is just asking to die to heat wave

[light nebula]

thats why i have tera ground on abomasnow

i can swap veil for protect on ninetales

[pearl valley]

and the dancer strat is not gonna work

like you’re cooked against sand or sun

[light nebula]

ive been running some kind of dancer team on ladder for like the past month sun has pretty consistently not been a problem

[pearl valley]

sand on the other hand

[light nebula]

either actively helps me or is really easy to shut up

i dont see sand like at all so i didnt think it was too worth worrying about

[pearl valley]

thats not how you think

[ripe turret]

I kinda have to agree, this team has way too many gimmicky mons/sets to perform well in higher ladder

the fire type birb is the worst one out of the four for this kind of thing

scrafty is just worse incin

dragon dance dragapult doesn't have enough longevity to reliably set up

and you have too many shared weaknesses overall