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[pearl valley]

and that rillaboom

hold up didn’t you post this team earlier and i said to put on hisuian lilligant but you refused

just do that

[lavish nexus]

because i've tried several different lilligant sets

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/1ae7bf7b30be8a29

[lavish nexus]

it just doesn't feel like it comes together very well

[pearl valley]

sleep powder after you leaf blade close combat

tried this?

[lavish nexus]

yea

[pearl valley]

with torkoal?

[lavish nexus]

yea, at the time the only mon changes were hatterene over gallade and lilligant over glaceon

i feel like every mon here has something they counter well, but ursa is much more general

[pearl valley]

what are you struggling against

[lavish nexus]

hyper offence is an issue

if gallade goes down i have nothing for spread

charizard sun is also a very big issue

[pearl valley]

armarouge learns wide guard

[lavish nexus]

problem is armarogue is so tight with the moves it wants

[pearl valley]

trick room expanding force heat wave wide guard

[lavish nexus]

then i lose rock coverage and have to run lorb

[pearl valley]

charcoal or mind plate

mind plate cuz you have charcoal on torkoal

[lavish nexus]

guaranteed ohko into charizard, issue is it's extremely vulnerable to protect

[fiery pasture]

perf appreciate the help man, thrown corviknight in and changed incins tera, again rly appreciate the help

[pearl valley]

np

[lavish nexus]

i dont really need another wide guard tho, its immune to heat wave either way

my main issue is the sun matchup

its a big reason why i run meteor beam despite 90% accuracy

[pearl valley]

doesn’t facade from ursa delete charizard?

follow me indeedee + ursa

[fiery pasture]

I was thinking of throwing in gholdengo instead of ursaluna especially because ive been struggling against rain teams and ofc 3 water weak pokes isnt helping but not sure, or should I just stick to ursa with the trick room on sinistcha?

[lavish nexus]

that would work tbf

yk i was thinking about bm ursa, idk what you think about that

[pearl valley]

try av tyranitar

[pearl valley]

assault vest incin?

[ripe turret]

what's wrong with that

leftovers on cir and tera fairy dgleam mirai are better here

[severe gull]

https://pokepast.es/18299bafe9d62149 regional h

[ripe turret]

4/6 of your mons are very suboptimal, and your other two have wacky sets

[severe gull]

Ignore the white smog torkoal

I meant to put drought

[pulsar mortar]

https://pokepast.es/28f85ba6a37bcbac
(regulation I)
I made this team a few months back and I've been adjusting it ever since and this is what i have so far

I've wanted to use koraidon in a different way as life orb, cband and clear amulet seem to be the only options, though i struggle with mostly kyogre matchups. any tips?

[ripe turret]

what does eject pack do on korai

and your other item choices are questionable

along with your moves in general

[pulsar mortar]

eject pack gives me a lot of flexibility on repositioning, both on matchups, or weather wars. most of the time i can do a switch out from close combat defense drops

as for my choice item i slapped it onto wake so that most of the time i can pick up either ohkos or leave them really low

booster energy mane to outspeed shadow rider incase i didn't bring whimsicott and stellar to ohko most miraidons and any other small boost i need

whimsicott for disruption, speed control and whatever damage moonblast does

and chien pao helps with incineroars/ice coverage, and anything weak to crunch

i think i should mention that while it is a double restricted format i rarely bring both of them at the same time

[ripe turret]

ok

I'd suggest sunny day cloak whims

over taunt

pao really really needs a sash

sucker is better than crunch as it's one of its main draws

energy ball on flutter is just worse than protect imo, also icy wind gives you a second form of speed control so I'd run that over shadow ball

I'd run plot on csr

and korai probably wants protect over stomping tantrum

btw dark pulse is kinda just

shadow ball but worse

on csr

[flint pewter]

Can someone give me some ev spreads for this aswell?

Btw the team is for reg H grand challange

[boreal vine]

https://pokepast.es/8f182583e9e4a156
i luv dis (c)

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[flint pewter]

Try chocice specs,metal coat or life orb on cheese string man

[boreal vine]

Specs is used by Skymin and choice scarf trick is very valuable for ghold ime

[flint pewter]

Ohh I forgot

I didnt wanna play reg j since Its mot gonna be in any tournaments so I dont know what the meta there is

I mean oficial tournaments

[safe imp]

While Regulation Set J will be in effect for Ranked Battles beginning in September 2025, the Video Game Championships will be using Regulation Set H through the end of November 2025.

[flint pewter]

Yeah I olay reg h exclusivley now

[safe imp]

after november it’s gonna be reg j

[safe imp]

😭

[ripe turret]

scarf dengo is fine

[flint pewter]

Back in ma day(gen 7) I was pretty good

[ripe turret]

although it is a little weird in j

what is that title 💀

[flint pewter]

Iight bring this to the GC

[safe imp]

Dengo is fine in j

[ripe turret]

generally it doesn’t see that much use in restricted formats

[safe imp]

its decent

not the best

[pearl valley]

no parting shot and adamant nature

[ripe turret]

someone has clearly not played the restricted format very much

now I do agree the adamant nature is weird

but AV allows it to live crazy stuff

ex. two +2 lorb astrals from csr

specs hadron engine electro drift from mirai

meteor beam from lunala

(also one other thing that I forgot)

and u-turn has utility for breaking sashes which can be super important

also doesn’t get blocked by taunt or anything

[sleek laurel]

sflo ep from lando

and yea av incin is good for the reasons you stated

[ripe turret]

ah

[sleek laurel]

but you probably don't have to write it like this lmao!

unless you two know each other

[safe imp]

U turn is fine and AV is very good if you want incineroar for end games

Im pretty sure he has his reasoning for adamant for like a 2HKO

[pearl valley]

boi im ultra tier wdym😭

[ripe turret]

idk man...AV incin is kinda really common in restricted metagames so I'm just surprised that you don't know about it

but yeah I shouldn't have worded it like that

[pearl valley]

it gets deleted by my urshifu so i don’t know about it

[ripe turret]

ok fair lmao

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f33d446ecca0c177
I'm trying to make a team with garganacl, any tips

[humble lichen]

@grizzled prism anyhows

wdym you didnt see heavy slam in the battle options

it learns heavy slam at level 77

[grizzled prism]

The one I have in game is level 53, so that must be why

[humble lichen]

yeah time to start getting them rare candies

[grizzled prism]

I have a LOT of candies, but I didn't wanna over level my pokemon because I wanted to use em once I get the dlc

[humble lichen]

you're

building a competitive team

[grizzled prism]

Iron hands is one I wanted to use

[humble lichen]

without DLC

[grizzled prism]

Im broke 💔

[humble lichen]

and you're using fully trained pokemon for in-game purposes

[grizzled prism]

Just iron hands

[humble lichen]

god bless you dude

i hope you get the dlc

[grizzled prism]

I do too 🙏

[humble lichen]

and enough good resets on bloodmoon ursaluna to get a good one

because if you get one with bad IVs, GG

[grizzled prism]

I thought its iv's were fixed like the treasures of ruins?

[humble lichen]

no

[halcyon perch]

is there any improvements i can make to this team
https://pokepast.es/21624f7c42d5295a

[pearl valley]

why do you have annihilape on this team? you aleady have hands

[halcyon perch]

Final Gambit for Soul-Heart

[ripe turret]

idt you need both dgleam and fleur cannon on mag

run eq, headlong rush, and protect over the last three moves on ursa

run TR, helping hand, psychic, and foul play on farig

drain punch over cc, fake out over protect, low kick over volt switch, and AV over booster on hands

run tera bug on hands

that's all you can do without the EVs

[pearl valley]

also i really don’t like booster energy with all the miraidons running (drifting?) around, av is better

[proper wasp]

Think I never been so desperate for the new regulation H

[proper wasp]

Some help?

[sonic wind]

Please move conversations like this to one of the comp general channels or the smogon vgc discord. This channel is only for rating complete teams

[ripe turret]

I said run 3 times in my last 5 messages

I just realized that

I think I need to diversify my vocabulary

[flint pewter]

Sure

[pearl valley]

which is the best: https://pokepast.es/79301e6b1a85c412 or https://pokepast.es/c700af977db89e00 or https://pokepast.es/03797beae3509b45

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[pearl valley]

or none and i should slot a different mon in that slot

[fringe scarab]

https://pokepast.es/6f938a87e8c96916 So I wanted to build a team around my favorite Pokémon Snorlax and came up with this. It’s a fun team but it feels really volatile like in some games i steamroll the opponent easily and in others I just get cooked. I’m case it wasn’t obvious this is for Reg H and I’m open to any advice and changes EXCEPT replacing Snorlax as that’s the whole point of the team.

[somber hearth]

https://pokepast.es/e7306a799643aba8 trying to make a mew reg j team and i have this so far, any ideas on things to change/add?

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[jovial creek]

I don't think mew is good, if you do want to use it then it should be as a support pokemon

[somber hearth]

could a mew with coaching work?

[jovial creek]

maybe

[sleek halo]

how does one share their team

[burnt surge]

!shareteam

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[sleek halo]

ah alr tysm

what do we think of this

[flint pewter]

What would yall improve on this team?

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[fresh lynx]

https://pokepast.es/bedf630400f28c96 regulation j team trick room+tailwind

[prisma moat]

reg j is double restricted, you can get 1 more restricted/mythical pokemon

[fresh lynx]

yeah ik that now

i changed the team up

[prisma moat]

My trick room reg J team: https://pokepast.es/769ad49b64a17b3d I mostly look for better EVs ( I just eyeballed mine) and a replacement for pelipper witch I never bring to battles.

[broken shuttle]

this looks good, only real change i would suggest is u-turn>knock off on rillaboom (or high horsepower if u really want to hit gholdengo)

[broken shuttle]

yeah this looks p good, the ground peli is a good tech for bo1 ladder

[flint pewter]

I was thinking of that

[lavish night]

flash fire is unique because it helps against sun matches if your using sun

ofc you lose your immunity to fake out, but you can opt for a different way out with another Mon to provide coverage to that situation, or use it as some late game resort sweeper

[fluid thicket]

https://pokepast.es/93ed3b6797b3bbfb

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[broken shuttle]

u should try kingambit>ghold here

it allows you to be more active into opposing gholdengo while also working a bit better as hard trick room

[pearl valley]

thoughts?

[burnt surge]

Probably Incineroar because it's the strongest into Psyspam

I don't think your Drsgonite should have a Jolly nature if you're giving it no speed

I don't think that Scarf Hyphlo makes sense if you're not giving it sun, but either Magmar or Incin both make sense on this team

My main concern is that Dondozo looks like a serious problem without Haze Dragonite

And then at that point you may as well go Scale/Haze/TW/Tect on it

[pearl valley]

i got wrecked every single time with that team

what about volcarona

[ripe turret]

volc seems nice with screens, but I think you could pretty easily replace a dragon with electabuzz

you have a lot of setup on your team, so a redirector looks nice

I’d replace chomp and run haze dnite for dozo as mentioned above

[pearl valley]

chomp has excellent synergy with dnite, kingambit, and sneasler though

wait doesnt volcarona get rage powder

[sturdy pecan]

is 1200 elo good or bad

[ripe turret]

depends

what reg, what format

[sturdy pecan]

reg j

ive gotten it in UU also

[ripe turret]

like bo1/bo3 I mean

[sturdy pecan]

ohh b03

[ripe turret]

ah

I mean

(wait this is probably not the right place for this)

[sturdy pecan]

is b01 harder

[sturdy pecan]

oh

ok

[ripe turret]

bo1 tends to be easier

[sturdy pecan]

ye

[ripe turret]

but yeah #comp-general

[sturdy pecan]

i like b03

[sturdy pecan]

thx

[lavish nexus]

bo1 has more gimmicky matchups because closed team sheet and you can't prep, if you're practicing for in person events you should do bo3 though

[sturdy pecan]

ok t

y

[rocky hamlet]

is this good:

https://pokepast.es/22926ae7c853238c

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[rocky hamlet]

vgc reg j btw

[flint pewter]

What do yall think bout my old reg G team

[broken shuttle]

i honestly like this, the only two things i’d really change are:

• tera electric + snarl>tera fairy gleam on scarf mirai
• drop kingambit for slow & bulky landorus-incarnate

basically you need the damage boost on your electric moves a lot more than the defensive tera fairy & without tera fairy dgleam is pretty useless

& then bulky landorus is a lot more efficient of a trick room attacker

i would recommend substitute on it especially since you have double fake out

i think you should also be AV incin here, you greatly prefer the bulk into stuff like CSR

[broken shuttle]

this is fine, only change i’d recommend is dragon fang/draco plate>specs on regidrago

being able to repostion with protect is really important on that mon

[flint pewter]

I might do that the thing is with specs I can o ko a bulky koraidon/miraidon and without I can not

[broken shuttle]

especially since it allows you to maintain full HP for more powerful dragon energy

[broken shuttle]

do you mean like

after tera?

[flint pewter]

Tera fire koraidon

[broken shuttle]

because pre-tera you definitely nuke both

[flint pewter]

Oh for sure they are cooked pre tera

[broken shuttle]

i don’t think that’s that bad

if it’s bulky it’s probably not life orb

which is way more threatening here anyways

and you already have like

[flint pewter]

Yeah the only matchup im not to comfortable in is zamzenta and some terapagoss

[broken shuttle]

calyrex-s + indd so

[broken shuttle]

i think protect drago can help both of these a lot ngl

i think with zama u also have to leave indd on the bench so you can actually hit it

actually

[flint pewter]

That was my first variațiuni of the drago set

[broken shuttle]

you can test a line like scarf urshifu + indeedee lead

because that should deal with stuff like chien-pao + zama lead really well

you should be able to either force the zamazenta tera or get rid of pao off lead

[flint pewter]

Thats my normal lead against it but tera grass zama walls both of them

I had a variation with dark urshifu

[broken shuttle]

grass zama is fine for you because in that case it no longer walls regidrago

[flint pewter]

Yeah but the problem is if the opponent has flutter they can either for drago out or force the tera

[broken shuttle]

trading ur drago for their zama is not a bad trade for you

if zama goes down they just lose to follow me + astral

[flint pewter]

Its mot at all but if zama protects or uses wide guard then im finished

[broken shuttle]

not really?

[flint pewter]

My best matchup is probably the miror matchup or caly-i

[broken shuttle]

once u force tera on zama u should probs just draco it

u have protect last move on scarf ursh btw

[fringe scarab]

https://pokepast.es/6f938a87e8c96916 So I wanted to build a team around my favorite Pokémon Snorlax and came up with this. It’s a fun team but it feels really volatile like in some games i steamroll the opponent easily and in others I just get cooked. I’m case it wasn’t obvious this is for Reg H and I’m open to any advice and changes EXCEPT replacing Snorlax as that’s the whole point of the team.

[flint pewter]

I know I meant to switch it out beacuse before I had mystic water on it I forgot

[rocky hamlet]

Thx sm! That helps me out a ton to make a better version.

[broken shuttle]

i would consider replacing porygon2 with indeedee-f, it’ll allow you to get the belly drum more consistently with redirection while also preventing fake out & setting trick room

should be fine otherwise

[fringe scarab]

I’m not running B-Drum Snorlax. I’m open to but right now it’s a different set

[broken shuttle]

oh you should be

that’s the only real way to run it

ur basically playing hard trick room with this team u really need the bulky wincon

drumlax helps a lot

[fringe scarab]

Noted

[fluid thicket]

Does anyone have a paste of a torkoal lilligant team? Messing around with my reg h one and it’s good but not great

[midnight hamlet]

I have updated my Reshiram + Zekrom team to Reshiram + Kyurem-Black. It's not a great team but I'm having steadily more success with it as I get used to piloting it https://pokepast.es/5b4fcd1bb27b14fe

most of the supports revolve around speed control, save for the minimum speed amoongus to punish enemy trick room teams and also let me get slow switches via the eject button

honestly reshiram and kyurem both seem decent. They do big damage when paired thanks to the way fushion flare/bolt works and both come with speed control moves in the form of tailwind and icy wind respectively

really their biggest problem is teravolt and turboblaze are kind of meh most of the time, and they're slower than most other restricted legendaries

[flint pewter]

Dm me I can help

[proper wasp]

Did

[flint pewter]

Oki

[pearl valley]

garchomp has been with me since diamond and pearl, its also been on my reg h team for a very long time

i started running haze dnite

[signal tangle]

https://pokepast.es/d5ab5848d051785b

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[sleek laurel]

redirecting from compgen

[signal tangle]

could someone rate my team and let know if it needs changing

[sleek laurel]

scarf chi-yu

probably

[signal tangle]

oh I was gonna do that but since I gotr tailwind I thought specs was better

[sleek laurel]

i understand the thought process yea

but almost all miraidon have tailwind

and calyrex-s is like

[signal tangle]

but if scarf is still better even with tailwind I can change it

[sleek laurel]

either it has tailwind or it has icy wind support and -1 chiyu underspeeds caly even in tw

[signal tangle]

I see okay\

[sleek laurel]

also

bulky sash csr is a bit of a waste it feels like

and you can probably fit encore or nasty plot > draining kiss

[signal tangle]

ok so should I keeop the bulk and remove sash or keeo sash and increase its offenses

[sleek laurel]

draining kiss without tera fairy is not a legit move, and those moves are just so good on sash

[sleek laurel]

keep sash, you already have a lorb user in wake

[signal tangle]

ok

so max speed max spa?

focus sash

[sleek laurel]

yea

and consider also tera ghost

[pearl valley]

Garchomp’s the entire point of the team, but i am running haze dragonite

[sleek laurel]

because you don't need tera dark with sash

[signal tangle]

oh ya true

[sleek laurel]

since you live an astral from full anyway 👍 LOL

whimsi is fine, I would probably do a Raging Bolt last

[signal tangle]

and what would you recomend for a 6th mon instead of urshifu

ive been stuck on that problem the most

[sleek laurel]

bolt is really good I'd think

[signal tangle]

ah raging bolt okay

[sleek laurel]

threatens kyogre, forces miraidon to lock into draco

[signal tangle]

is it gonna be okay having all those special attackers and 1 physical?

[sleek laurel]

now that you mention it, usually it's fine but it's something to keep an eye out for

if it turns out to be a problem, you can also do an ogerpon-cornerstone here

which offers redirection and a pseudo-focus sash

[signal tangle]

mmm okay

[sleek laurel]

and still threatens kyo and still lives an electro drift

[signal tangle]

im also worried about having 3 dragon types with bolt too

[sleek laurel]

yea you can do cornerstone here

in hindsight i like that one better tbh

you also get more coverage in general

[signal tangle]

okay and how should I run it

[sleek laurel]

because no type overlaps whimsicott doesn't count as type overlap

[sleek laurel]

ivy cudgel, power whip or knock off, follow me, spiky shield

it's got sturdy so max max

and you can probably do adamant but jolly is also 100% fine

[signal tangle]

tera type?

and item

[sleek laurel]

uh

rock and cornerstone mask

lol

[signal tangle]

oh ya lol\

forgot about that

[sleek laurel]

lmao happens to all of us

[signal tangle]

ive never used ogrepon so just went right over my head

[sleek laurel]

yea makes sense lol

[signal tangle]

https://pokepast.es/61e2cd703840d739

alright

hows that look

[sleek laurel]

timid caly probably

[signal tangle]

dont mind the tera dark on caly

its ghost

[sleek laurel]

and you forgot tera ghost but other than that looks-

yea

lmao

[signal tangle]

ya i didnt know timid or modest

[sleek laurel]

other than that it looks perfectly fine

deffo timid

[signal tangle]

awesome thank you so much

[sleek laurel]

no problem, gl with the team fr

[signal tangle]

thank you

[white imp]

https://pokepast.es/816bbd68dabd6508 pls rate my team, my college is doing a draft league for REG F, i also have haryama, sneasler, haunter and hypno (those last 2 r just shit picks)

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[ripe turret]

I’d definitely go with sneasler and hariyama over the last two

sneasler is just broken, and hariyama gets guts + fake out which is nice

your first four look good

[white imp]

Ok thank you

[flint pewter]

Rate this reg G team

[tardy path]

id recommend np over calm mind, protect on shadow rider, and imo avoid dondozo tatsu strat with how common prankster haze is

[flint pewter]

The set im running is made for the mirror matchuo,since as one cant be neutralized and imprison is there to make other caly-s useless

Tatsu has ability shield meaning it doesnt affect commander,as one is naturaly immune to it and protosynthesis just needs to let roaring moon boost up once which I can easily do.

Btw did you not know as one was immune to Neutralizing gas?

And you know that protosynthesis only works once right?

Lol kinda true

Prankster is also shut down by it thats why dozo is here

[tardy path]

ik

still quite an uncommon 6 overall

[tardy path]

dozo tastu both have to be present for commander

Gweez cant also be on field

[flint pewter]

Yes but that isnt the point for it,the point is to buy time to knock out the prankster user

And please tell me all the prankster haze users that are realy popular rn

And the point of the team is to disturb other teams.Many sun teams with kiraidon rely on orichalcum pulse to set up sun since without it most mons have no ability(the ones with protosynthesis).Caly-S Is built to win mirror matchups specificaly since as one cant be neutralized.

[tardy path]

far too dependant and situational

[flint pewter]

Tell em all of the current proeminent prankster mons

[flint pewter]

Qhat pokemon use prankster and haze currently that make you think dozo is so bad here

Thei is a proven team tha tpeople actualy got tope 10 results at tournaments with

Murkrow in reg G?

Are you familiar with the meta?

Theres no reg G teams with morkrow,sincs why use murkrow with whimsicott and tornadus around its pointless

[burnt surge]

It doesn't.

[flint pewter]

It doesnt matter sinc eit has a 0% usage anyway

Please dont give advice when you dont even know whata used and whats not

In reg G no.It had 1 top 20.

Its a very weak mon in reg G since it was used in reg H at the start when it was the only prankster tailwind setter and had haze since dozo was one of the strongest back then but im reg G its lost all of that.

[sleek laurel]

Murkrow’s usage has died altogether since HOME dropped

I think it was Reg B or C that it was last viable in, I’m not sure anymore

[sleek laurel]

This looks fine bar some movesets

[flint pewter]

What moves?

[sleek laurel]

Close Combat > Throat Chop on Ape

Knock Off > Crunch on Moon

Slot Draco Meteor on Tatsu somewhere for actual damage output if Dozo drops

Protect > Imprison on CSR, and either Nasty Plot + Life Orb > Calm Mind and Covert Cloak or Draining Kiss > Psychic

Calm Mind CSR is not worth it without Draining Kiss because it’s too slow and will end up losing most of the damage trades if it can’t heal

As in, slow battle pace

Not Speed slow

[sleek laurel]

Preferably “somewhere” should be Taunt or Helping Hand, whichever one you seem to get less value from

Probably Taunt

Since you have a whole Taunt GWeezing

Also something about the Annihilape on this team feels a little weird to me but it’s Calm Mind and DozoGiri so it’s probably fine enough, I think you’re fine in terms of composition tbh

Just the moves stand out, rest looks nice

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/982d587777be25c4
How's this team

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[pearl valley]

hehehe jumpluff sleep powder

https://pokepast.es/ab6d50882eb269bb

would you reccomend this team to someone

[old kindle]

what you guys think? hyper offense dual weather
https://pokepast.es/69afc51322fbc692

edit: switched out leech wide guard

thinking about swapping the set for mystic water and tera water to give it an offensive presence if it has webs up or wide guard wouldnt do much

i have also switched araqanuid to jolly to let it outspeed max speed peli under tailwind to set up webs before opposing team tailwinds

[old kindle]

heres the new paste https://pokepast.es/b57f7e1bfe6b1ad2

[old kindle]

upon encountering a shiny drillbur while trying to farm a shiny whimsicott for this team a thought of maybe switching out the araquanid for a sand force or sandrush excadrill could be nice

hell, even mold breaker could be nice to bypass sturdy on those archaludons

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/889c9c264d82b017

can smn help my team

tell me if i should repalce some mons or not too

[ripe turret]

personally I like sash on peli with tera flying, but your set works

dragon pulse > draco meteor on arch since you want to be sticking around with stamina boosts, but draco can work

pop bomb > beat up on maus, allows it to actually deal damage and procs 4x instead of 3x for stamina, beat up (from what I know) is only used for ape which you don't have

I like water or fairy on ghold, but dragon is ok I guess

throat chop > fake out on sneas, gives you something for ghost types

dragon dance is probably not needed on bax, a different move like ice shard or glaive rush is what I'd suggest

[sturdy pecan]

ok thx but i thought glaive rush makes it where u take 2x damege next turn

[pearl valley]

araquanid is araquamid without rain

my suggestion is to go one weather or the other, not both

if you choose sand, excadrill over araquanid and corviknight over whimsicott

sun, replace whimsicott with jumpluff(underrated asf, sleep powder on a base 110 speed mon + chlorophyll goes hard) and replace tyranitar with torkoal

for araquanid, replace it with a strong physical attacker

[pearl valley]

jumpluff is just a recommendation, you can keep whimsicott but me personally i love abusing sleep powder

[old kindle]

ive made the double weather work so i will be keeping it, but i think ill likely just go exca as my sand attacker

@pearl valley

[pearl valley]

definitely replace araquanid if you wanna keep the doubke weather

[old kindle]

yeah

im trying to figure out an excadrill set

lorb is probably the play

trying to figure out if i want sand rush sand force or mold breaker

theyre all good abilities

i can go for 4x speed under sandwind, 2x speed + another lorb or ignore sturdy

[pearl valley]

earthquake iron head protect rock slide

sand rush

[old kindle]

am i sure i wanna keep eq on here with all of the ground weak mons?

i mean i can just protect on them or go tera flying in the case of tyranitar

[pearl valley]

you could replace whimsicott for corviknight

[old kindle]

i like priority tailwind as this is meant to be a hyper offense team

[pearl valley]

corviknight is really good on sand

[ripe turret]

you just protect next turn, that’s the main workaround

[old kindle]

what benefits does it give over whim since im losing prankster light screen, tailwind and sunny day here

plus the grass typing for fwg core and fairy typing for a dragon immunity

[pearl valley]

Encore is better than light screen

[ripe turret]

super bulky, heals itself, good typing, way better damage

and yeah encore is better

[old kindle]

alright ill use encore

but i personally prefer the faster pace of prankster moves over non prankster tw

[pearl valley]

oh yeah corviknight can learn light screen

[pearl valley]

should i run charizard on this

[ripe turret]

yeah zard looks good there

although you are already using specs for hyphlosion

tbh I don’t think you need ANOTHER fire type nuke but ig

[pearl valley]

should i replace hyphlosion with zard

[ripe turret]

yeah that’s what I was about to say lol

[sturdy pecan]

oh ok

thx

[sturdy pecan]

also im strugglingn wiht jumpluff torkoal leads

i keep getting sleep powedred

idk what i. should counter with

[pearl valley]

oh god i was just using jumpluff torkoal

was there a guy witn hisuian typhlosion, garchomp, torkoal, dragonite, kingambit, and jumpluff that you faced

[sturdy pecan]

ye

acc

wait

idk

is it possible to se e battle log

[pearl valley]

waffles5183

[sturdy pecan]

uhh

i might have

idk

i beat 1-2 of them

but i lost to 2-3

is it possible to look at battle log

[ripe turret]

maushold with follow me + smth that can deal with tork works

[sturdy pecan]

oh

i hgave that muashold alr

[ripe turret]

also having peli in the back to turn off sun

sneasler can ohko jumpluff with dire claw btw

[sturdy pecan]

ok thx

[sturdy pecan]

ok

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/5b7a7788c15e53c0

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[flint pewter]

What do yall think about this?

Closed teamsheat btw

For the GC

[pearl valley]

rillaboom will decrease the power of garchomp’s earthquakes, so you should replace it or garchomp

[flint pewter]

I did actualy do that

Lemme send the updated team

Here it is

Replaced it with baxcalibur

Should I have replaced it with sum diffrent?

Btw I dont have quake on chomp

[pearl valley]

ursaluna bloodmoon

wait nvm

dragonite maybe

[flint pewter]

Ill try that

Instead of rillaboom or chomp?

[pearl valley]

chomp

[flint pewter]

Oki dokie

Is it better tha baxcalibur here tho? @pearl valley

[misty tapir]

What's a good Annihilape team I can use?

[flint pewter]

What reg?

[misty tapir]

Is Reg I the only one running right now?

[pearl valley]

reg h:https://pokepast.es/64897a9db9f67ce4

[burnt surge]

The current regs are reg h and reg j

[misty tapir]

Alright

[misty tapir]

Thanks, and how do I use this team?

[pearl valley]

you set up screens with grimmsnarl and bulk up

or lead with porygon2 and set up trick room with ursaluna

[misty tapir]

Alright

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/5b7a7788c15e53c0

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[flat tundra]

whats the current competitive format

[potent crescent]

Reg J for the online ladder and reg H for official tournaments

In reg J you can run up to 2 restricteds/mythicals. You could run a restricted and a mythical, 2 mythicals or 2 restricteds

[unkempt solar]

istg

Made a reg H team

People told me it was Reg J

Made a Reg J team

and now it's reg H????

okay

uh so

[burnt surge]

They're running at the same time

[unkempt solar]

I was planning to go to a vgc event

like a local one

[burnt surge]

Then you will most likely be preparing for Reg H

[unkempt solar]

okay no that's fine

[torpid mason]

Hey, this channel is for VGC team rates and optimisation. Please don’t use this channel for general discussion in the future, especially about an entirely unrelated punishment on another site

It floods the channel and makes it more annoying for our volunteer raters to go back through and help people that have posted teams

Likewise, please keep on topic

[flat tundra]

i play reg j its fun

[tardy path]

it was on topic to the chat at the time

besides no one else was in conversation nor started one

[torpid mason]

Still not what the RMT section is for

[unkempt solar]

https://pokepast.es/142d4abedb0b2700
any advice would be great
pay no attention to teras

i forgot to add them

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[ripe turret]

a lot of your sets are weird/suboptimal and generally you don’t want EVs min-maxed for a lot of the mons you have

I’ll make an updated paste for you when I have time

[unkempt solar]

ok

[ripe turret]

(this being in like 3 hours)

[unkempt solar]

ok

[pearl valley]

basculegion or primarina are generally better than palafin

[unkempt solar]

basc even off rain teams?

Palafin was basically a random choice because I couldn't think of a water type

[pearl valley]

i mean one of the top bascu teams isn’t a rain team

[unkempt solar]

but actually prim sounds pretty good

bc i already have 2 ghosts

[unkempt solar]

pretend i switched out palafin for primarina

[tardy path]

weird movesets

what formats it for?

[unkempt solar]

reg h

new to this

[tardy path]

quite a few issues

[unkempt solar]

i could assume

[tardy path]

it comes across as each pokemon was made on its own without consideration for the other 5

and use their most common sets in the format

[unkempt solar]

oh yeah for sure

[unkempt solar]

^^^^

How would i change it

[tardy path]

its not a bad team as such, ive seen much much worse from someone I assume semi new

[unkempt solar]

to make it more synergistic

yeah i played like 2 local events a year or 2 ago

[tardy path]

to the format that is

[unkempt solar]

never played the format i think

https://pokepast.es/3013a318eb9b97e7
a revised version with no palafin

[tardy path]

imo annihilape is much better scarfed, swap stone edge for final gambit

keep band or scarf on either dengo or palafin but not both, would not recommend 3 choice items

if u swap off palafins band, use mystic water, keep the moveset
if u swap off dengos scarf, add nasty plot and use life orb or even metal coat

I dont see much protect + sash on whimsicott in reg H ibr, another option is to keep sash, swap out protect for taunt or fake tears

goggles on incin is far too popular and has been across multiple regs to miss out on imo

dnites no issue other than some prefer inner focus because of fake out (mainly incin), flinch + breaks multiscale but thats preference

and obv teras but I know u havent done those

[unkempt solar]

yeah

Whimsicott Idek what i was thinking with protect, obv taunt is better

okay I like all of those ideas i'll be getting on that

[tardy path]

im sure theres a decent chunk of people who do use protect and sash

I dont find it the best possible use for whimsicott however

[unkempt solar]

but I think that whimsicott is mostly there for tailwind+encore

so taunt is more useful than protect

is Dazzling gleam on dengo ok?

[tardy path]

amoongus isnt as much of a threat in reg h as it has been previously, however I near to never miss out on taunt somewhere in the 6 when I make a team

and obviously it does more than only wall amoongus

[unkempt solar]

exactly

okay this team looks pretty good now

thanks!

[tardy path]

with a dengo that doesnt require, but prefers, setup with nasty plot, protects always a solid option

id recommend protect on setup dengos for the sole reason of avoiding the risk that dengo has no viable options, and has to switch

which wastes the nasty plot (if youve set one up)

[unkempt solar]

that makes sense

I was using my regulation J thought process

where the best mons like miraidon and koraidon are weak to it

but only a few of the top mons are actually weak to fairy

so ill try protect and see how it goes

[tardy path]

use that and the only other potential change id make is swapping icy wind for protect on primarina, for a similar reason to keeping dengos spatk boost, except even more valuable because throat spray is 1 time use

and protect is without a doubt the best pokemon move in doubles

[unkempt solar]

Thing is

I want speed control but i'm not fully sure i'm going to bring whimsicott to most matches

[tardy path]

if youre not certain whimsicott will feature most matches then keep icy wind

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/609ef6c5cdca92f8 i know what you’re thinking, “why not ursaluna over chomp?” That’s because i tried it and ursaluna is too slow. “but trick room” Fuck trick room. Without trick room, ursaluna is just too slow, and garchomp can work in and out of trick room. It can work in trick room to outspeed threats like dragapult, archaludon under tailwind, swift swim basculegion, while also being able to work in tailwind because of its speed

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[jovial creek]

Were you not running fast luna?

[sleek laurel]

I mean isn’t this just Marco’s team with a Garchomp > Ursaluna?

[jovial creek]

It is and thats bad

[sleek laurel]

And yea Marco’s team had a faster Ursaluna

[sleek laurel]

I’m still getting there, but yea

Point is you shouldn’t take famous/sample teams and change 1 Pokémon then send them for rating, it’s still just a derivate of just the old team lol

[pearl valley]

i also changed overheat for solar beam

[sleek laurel]

It can work or not (probably not in this case btw) but it’s not really a “rate my team” thing

[sleek laurel]

I mean you get the point LOL

Generally we don’t RMT samples or tried and true teams because there’s not much to RMT on them, so like

Just keep that in mind lol

[jovial creek]

Thats fine

[sleek laurel]

(If you mean the alteration yea it’s fine)

[pearl valley]

because that stupid catfish and sushi

[jovial creek]

Keep luna though

Were you running fast ursaluna?

[pearl valley]

no

[jovial creek]

Thats the problem

I think Marco had more than 160 invest?

Ursaluna @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 140 HP / 252 Atk / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Headlong Rush
• Facade
• Earthquake
• Protect

116 I lied

[pearl valley]

Ursaluna also dies to sneasler without tera

[jovial creek]

So?

You are fine into sneasler

Jumpluff outspeeds

[pearl valley]

only in sun

[jovial creek]

You shouldn't have it outside of sun

Incineroar and porygon can also help to either reduce damage or setup tr

[pearl valley]

A smart player knows that ursaluna is 99% of the time going to go for protect, then they’re just gonna double into porygon

[jovial creek]

Don't lead ursaluna p2

Its asking for a double t1

[pearl valley]

see ursa requires so much setup

[jovial creek]

Not really

You have to have speed control but it's crazy value once you get it

[pearl valley]

It also doesn’t help the 3 mons that are weak to rain

[jovial creek]

I think the rain mu is weird

But i also dont play that team

[jovial creek]

Chomp wont really help with that

[pearl valley]

And garchomp does kind of the same thing as ursaluna just faster

[jovial creek]

Not really

Ursaluna does way more damage

[pearl valley]

under the right circumstances

[jovial creek]

Those circumstances are pretty easy to setup

Give fast ursaluna a try at least

And dont force it

[pearl valley]

even if ursaluna is better, i still think garchomp fits okay

maybe i should change porygon2’s tera to flying

[jovial creek]

The idea of sending a team here is for it to be as good as possible though

[pearl valley]

i will try ursaluna though

[pearl valley]

garchomp functions outside of trick room

It’s an alternative

[jovial creek]

Fast ursaluna pairs well in tw too, you just cant let it sit there without

[pearl valley]

It can spam earthquake next to zard, which threatens the grass and ice types that usually wall garchomp

[jovial creek]

The idea of zard is to be next to torkoal though, thats where it works best

Or in sun without torkoal

[pearl valley]

in sun without torkoal

[jovial creek]

Without torkoal on the field

[pearl valley]

wait it’s actually pretty good, with a speed control mon

[jovial creek]

Yup

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/5b7a7788c15e53c0
opinion?

[brazen olive]

https://pokepast.es/1d79f1793ff0fd67

For reg J, I won one battle with it and got destroyed some others
The strat is honestly just pair a sweeper with a setup mon depending on type matchups 😭 def feel like I could do with a more developed strat than that

[pearl valley]

you should have some form of redirection ngl

if you wanna use perish trap

[ripe turret]

agree with the other person, also a few other things

ribombee doesn't really offer anything here that can't be offered by a different mon

specs gholdengo should be metal coat/life orb

you need parting shot on incin

idt mental herb is really that useful on goth, you could just run tera dark with leftovers

tera dragon prim is a weird choice

[quartz nova]

https://pokepast.es/fcc3549d2ea5391c
I'm still pretty new to competitive fighting but if you have any pointers and tips they are so appreciated

[ripe turret]

wellll I'll start by saying that this team is illegal because it has two of the same item

but outside of that it needs a serious overhaul if you want it to work

koraidon and cir are not a very common pairing due to the sun actively hurting cir

pangoro is completely unusable

and all of your other sets need a lot of changes

how you change the team will depend on how you like to play though

so if you like hyper offense, balance, etc etc

[quartz nova]

Completely fair yeah I didn't expect it to be perfect 😭

[quartz nova]

Didn't know that tho thank you for telling me that

[ripe turret]

yeah there are some rules in VGC that affect the way teams are built, you can check if the team you make is valid by clicking the "validate" button on your team page on showdown

[quartz nova]

That's fair yeah yeah well what would you recommend for a hyper offense but with at least a little bit of support?

[sturdy pecan]

best item for sneasler beside focus sash

[ripe turret]

some sort of seed + a terrain setter

[sturdy pecan]

so if my team is js a rain team

what cna i run

theres no seed for that

[ripe turret]

white herb ig

that's like kinda the only other option I think

[sturdy pecan]

ok ty

poison touch is best ability

right

[ripe turret]

well

[sturdy pecan]

or unburden

[ripe turret]

with unburden usually

[sturdy pecan]

oh yah white herb gets ocnsumed

so its beter w unburden

[ripe turret]

poison touch is really only used if you don't need the speed

or with sash because there's no guarantee it gets proccd every time

[sturdy pecan]

alright ty again

[ripe turret]

I'm not too familiar with reg j but I do know that arceus csr is a common restricted pairing

[sturdy pecan]

https://pokepast.es/604ebd32ddca3fbd

any suggestions or what mons should i chnage out

does wide lens dakrai work

[flint pewter]

Dont do clear amulet caly-s

You may wanna try focus sash on darkrai

[flint pewter]

Unburden is better

[safe imp]

Sometimes ursaluna can be made to be insanely fast if u want

well not insanely

just fast

[safe imp]

you can life orb csr since ur psyspam

and yeah u could run lens darkrai but sash is recommended

but since ur running sash just use lens for a guaranteed hit

and ur hp invested anyways

[sturdy pecan]

ok ty

[sturdy pecan]

what item then

[sturdy pecan]

oh life orb

[flint pewter]

Life orb,covert cloak,spell tag,choice specs(not used anymore)

[sturdy pecan]

ill run life orb

[flint pewter]

I recomand life orb

[sturdy pecan]

cuz its ghost alr

i dont need covert

rly

[flint pewter]

Its not realy for fake out only

[sturdy pecan]

icy wind?

from fm

[flint pewter]

Yes that too

Life orb is my recomandation

[sturdy pecan]

alr ill ue that

thx

[flint pewter]

Youre welcome

[tardy path]

that is the entire premise of trick room...

[tardy path]

Then dont protect and pick up a ko 🙏

[tardy path]

1 Turn

[tardy path]

ursaluna >

[tardy path]

or dont start p2 ursaluna

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/dad58fc6bcbdeb9d

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[pseudo current]

I cant decide if i want max speed ursa bloodmoon or reg ursa, and I feel like it is not the best team out there, I can win with it but I think it needs improvement btw, mence spreads are to help ko ape and gambit bc those 2 are my worst matchups

[tardy path]

needs redirection

whimsicott > ribombee

u have no switch out move on incin?

sitrus is a better item for Gothitelle

[sturdy pecan]

does armor tail stop. e speed

[tardy path]

Yes

[sleek laurel]

#comp-general but yea it does

[pearl valley]

its not as easy as that in bo3

[ripe turret]

just don't bring it out unless you can be relatively sure that it's safe

you need to be pretty preservative with it

[flat tundra]

https://pokepast.es/1dcb14ea5c4fe9df

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[flat tundra]

purely trick room team idk if its good or not i havent tried it yet

[tardy path]

dont protect, or dont start those 2

[tardy path]

1/6 with protect in doubles is a massive no

movesets can be improved

and overall a pure trick room team is quite simple to counter

[sleek laurel]

Hard tr is fine even if it’s not the greatest

[sleek laurel]

But yes the movesets need some changes, I’ll do a thorough check in 20 mins when I’m actually home

(Feel free to ping me in 20 if I’m not here cause knowing myself I might run over it)

[tardy path]

its never been a theme I've used often or found popular tbh

in ur bio, u think usum is the best Gen? or in terms of the Game on 3ds?

[sleek laurel]

Altogether, but that’s #pkmn-general content lol

But uh

[sleek laurel]

It’s decent, it’s not the best

But if they want to use it it’s definitely something we can work with lol

[tardy path]

I do have one sole tr team I use sometimes

performance quite dependant on the match ups

suppose thats an issue with most teams however

[safe imp]

im trying to use miraidon specs discharge and dialga origin trick room with eq ursaluna lol

its doing surprisingly good

so yeah u can sole trick room but have atleast one main mon to work without trick room

not mandatory tho

[tardy path]

I have one team without one semi fast mon

[sleek laurel]

Sometimes yes, but ideally you want teams that aren’t total matchup fishes

If your team strives against good matchups and completely crumbles under bad ones it’s a bad team

That said, hard tr isn’t much like that

It actually feels rather consistent when properly piloted, as long as you can get tr up

[potent crescent]

https://pokepast.es/f2e0e973a9a7ab45

How do you guys feel about this giratina team? Currently sitting in about 1550 on reg J

I have been considering running Tera Ghost with shadow force on tina since it just does so much damage and breaks through protect, despite being a 2 turn move specially with sword of ruin, and it allows for more consistent shadow sneak KOs.

On the other hand, fire is amazing defensively against trick room teams with all the magearnas and calyrexes running around. Oh and to prevent burns too.

Please let me know what you think!

[sleek laurel]

Tera Ghost is a viable option but Shadow Force is not (I still like Fire tho)

Breaking Protect doesn’t make up for it being a two turn move as much, ig it can work but Poltergeist is just better

[potent crescent]

Yeah I think I'll stick to fire for now, but ghost seems fun...

[sleek laurel]

Team looks fine in general, not sure how I feel about Entei and Valiant here, especially Valiant without Miraidon

I think you just want Scarf Ursh-R in that slot

You don’t really need Wide Guard on this team, you’re fine against Calyrex-I and Ursh-R can also force a kill on pretty much every Calyrex-S ever with Tera Water Surging Strikes + Shadow Sneak (even if you get unlucky)

And Arceus already beats it anyway

[potent crescent]

I run valiant for wide guard, fast coaches and fighting type damage and entei for countering incin + magearna trickroom teams and having more priority, which is the only speed control in the team

[potent crescent]

I hadn't thought about It like that... Definitely Will give it a try. Thanks!

[sleek laurel]

Np!

[flint pewter]

Anyone have any cool off meta teams I can use?

[potent crescent]

@flint pewter gor reg J?

There's a bunch of funky stuff going around with the mythicals in play

[flint pewter]

Ohh I forgot to add that

I mwant reg H

[potent crescent]

Reg H?

There's the primarina pledge teams

[flint pewter]

Reg H is less open so i dont ahve a lot of off meta teams I did not do

[flint pewter]

Did that

[potent crescent]

Stuff like trick room bulldoze oranguru with weakness policy parabolic charge bellibolt?

[flint pewter]

I wanna try the bellinolt it seemms fun,have any teams for it?

[potent crescent]

Sadly I don't have that team anymore, but I Guess the best way to run It would be hard trick room with indeedee, hatterene, torkoal and a last pkm of your choice

Also important to note that the IVs have to be altered for the bellibolt to outspeed the oranguru, so that bulldoze goes first

[flat tundra]

https://pokepast.es/629f38fd8bd01c3e

my real one

[tardy path]

odd teras

[flint pewter]

I like tera poison and poison jab on choice band urshifu

Try tera grass on indeedee,tera fairy on shadow rider

[ripe turret]

yeah you don’t need tera ghost on everything lmao

run dark on csr and torn and fairy on indeedee

others are fine

also run TR on indeedee

helps you into opposing TR and you can also run less speed on urs

[flint pewter]

Anyone got sum good reg H G-weeizng or tinkaton team?

[ripe turret]

I feel like generally mirai csr is a bit of an odd pairing but it can work ig

[ripe turret]

I believe there was that one wolfe team with toedscruel and specs gweez

[flint pewter]

Maybe but i dont realy like using toedscruel

[ripe turret]

you could also try like a semi-stall with toxic spikes and dozogiri

[flint pewter]

Maybe

What pokemon generaly pair well with it?

[ripe turret]

things that hate their abilities or don’t care abt them

hyphlosion for example

[flat tundra]

tr?

[ripe turret]

trick room

[flat tundra]

why tho

[ripe turret]

^

[flint pewter]

Should I run ability shield on tatsu?

[ripe turret]

no need

it’ll be with dozo anyway

unless you’re playing the mirror

[flint pewter]

Yeah beacuse it needs to be together

[flint pewter]

Wont happen I hope

[ripe turret]

which I think sash/scarf just provides more value there

like you can just not bring dozo

[flint pewter]

Should I try Toxic orb?

[ripe turret]

nah

only works really as a gimmick

you could try it but idt you have enough room if you’re also running gweez

[flat tundra]

i hate tr users

[ripe turret]

well currently your mu into TR is quite bad, and it can’t hurt to have another mode

I think you can make urs slower so it can function in both modes and invest some more into its bulk

[flat tundra]

which should be slower

[flat tundra]

taunt or die lol

[ripe turret]

yeah lol

[flat tundra]

thats why i have torn

and indd is to start the lorb stab astral barrage train

[ripe turret]

well but it can also function with TR

and it usually doesn’t find too much use out of protect

[flint pewter]

Is this good?

[flat tundra]

wdym

[ripe turret]

like usually indeedee is not gonna be clicking protect, most of the time it has better things to do

[flat tundra]

follow me nasty plot

thats how i usually start

then it becomes like a guessing game

[ripe turret]

strange steam over gleam, chomp over dnite, scarf over specs

[flint pewter]

Ok

[ripe turret]

also I’d run the attack boosting tatsu

[flint pewter]

Would deffense boost work?

With body press and stuff

[ripe turret]

yeah that can also work

I just think speed is like the least useful one generally

[flat tundra]

hold on i think i see the vision

a slow urshifu

[ripe turret]

I’d make it like

I forgot what the benchmark was

but whatever outspeeds modest scarf chi yu in tailwind

[flat tundra]

ive never fought a chi yu in reg j

never ever

like slowest of slow urshifu then turn around and try to sweep

and slow indd cuz itll only ever use priority moves

[ripe turret]

it’s a thing on sun teams

[flat tundra]

ill figure out that number after class

[ripe turret]

I think it’s 115

just off of mental calculation

also outspeeds scarf lando

[flat tundra]

lowest without brave is 117

ill keep adamant for now

[ripe turret]

no like in TW

urshifu in tailwind hits 230

I think scarf chiyu is 228

[flat tundra]

228???

damn

i cant be faster than that

[ripe turret]

yeah because max is 167, minus 15 on the nature and x1.5

115 in tailwind will be faster

[flat tundra]

for me?

[ripe turret]

yeah

[flat tundra]

so should i set my urshifu at 115

[ripe turret]

that’s what I would suggest

[flat tundra]

ok ill do that

ill just do 117

[summer warren]

https://pokepast.es/8b8ec4865ec10d29 my idea was to have ursa as the only tr sweeper but with tons of support, and pult and sneasler to punish opponents that try to counterlead tr

[flat tundra]

is ursa there to cover for tr just in case

[ripe turret]

this looks fine other than a few minor things

sinistcha feels a little redundant here

ice beam over icy wind on p2

protect over fake out on sneas

and change your teras

[pearl valley]

blaze incineroar?

[ripe turret]

I totally missed that lmao

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/dbc16e2d57eac895

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[flint pewter]

Try something like saftey goggles or AV on incin and salamnce is used more as a special atacker rather than a phisical one.You can try specs or something on it

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/221c8f63ed280d05

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef bough]

i couldnt find the item that increase steel type dmg moves so lets use plate

[tardy path]

metal coat

and what on earth is that smeargle?

u do realise he has 20/20

and will have 0 output whatsoever

and setup on gholdengo is better than a 3rd coverage

[reef bough]

R u sure

[reef bough]

Thats a joke lol

[tardy path]

100% positive

theres a reason near to every single dengo user (who doesn't want to use Trick scarf) uses the same 4 moves

[tardy path]

Then what did u post it for...

no one can rate ur team if its unserious

[sleek laurel]

Dazzling Gleam as 3rd coverage is viable but you need Tera Fairy and Life Orb

And it’s still just

Not optimal

Unless you really need the role compression somehow

[sleek laurel]

Yea uh, please don’t send teams for rating if they’re meant to be memes

You’ll only get serious competitive advice here

And if you’re not looking for a serious competitive team then you’re kind of wasting our time

That said, the rest of the team does look serious so we can work with that if you want

[sleek laurel]

Actually wait, was the Smeargle meant to just be a “idk what to run as my 6th Pokémon” filler?

If yes that’s fine but you should likely specify so next time LOL

[tardy path]

not worth taking up an item slot move slot and tera imo

[sleek laurel]

It isn’t unless you DESPERATELY need the role compression

Tbh Tera Fairy Ghold is 100% fine but you probably still just want Nasty Plot anyway

The only reason I say it’s viable is because I know someone who built a team where it was kinda needed but like 😭

[tardy path]

wouldn't use tera electric archaludon either tbh

and I prefer stalwart

I suppose he is running an av set though

preference then

I run herb stalwart more often

and most of it is js so I can have Protect

[reef bough]

Do you have any ideas for a 6th pokemon slot im bummed rn💔

Ik smeargle is like niche niche gimmicky style pokemon but like

imagine decorate though

Or atleast

A swift swim user (idk what to pick bcz if I pick basculegion 2x weak to ghost and amoonguss counter, if I pick kingdra thats a death sentence for archa)

[sleek laurel]

Stalwart is incredibly Bo1 CTS-centered

It’s not real in tournament play, Sturdy has seen more use

Ig for Bo1 CTS it can work if it’s like ranked battles

Or Showdown’s Bo1 ladder

[flint pewter]

Anyone have a good reg D eanmorous therian team?

[broken shuttle]

not the place for this

[torpid mason]

Please use #comp-general for general questions about the metagame, or the team bazaar on the forums for teams. Only use the RMT channels for having a team you made and playtested rated for optimisation

[flint pewter]

Ohh ok

[tardy path]

stalwart is fine in VGC

the read aspect doesn't matter as its open team sheets

and amoongus walls archaludon

[sleek laurel]

You get Spored

And if you Tera Grass then you’re immune to Rage Powder anyway

Wait I misread

Oh well that

Just proves my point further

Amoonguss walls you and puts you to sleep, Stalwart doesn’t stop that from happening unless you Tera Grass anyway

[tardy path]

stalwarts seen enough official tournaments and had more than enough acceptable placements to be deemed usable

[sleek laurel]

It’s usable yea

But like

Definitely outclassed

Lemme check the exact usage stats

Either way this is probably #comp-general since the guy who first rmt’d isn’t here rn

[tardy path]

stalwart was used more than sturdy in the last 2 reg sets

[sleek laurel]

Go compgen

[flint pewter]

What are yals opinnion on this?

[prisma olive]

is this reg g?

[flint pewter]

Yup

[prisma olive]

ooo

[flint pewter]

Its one of my old teams

[prisma olive]

i would do dragon fang over lorb for regidrago since lorb recoil actually reduces dragon energy dmg

[flint pewter]

Ohh yeah,I did calc it for a few matchups so I used orb

[prisma olive]

then i would swap dark pulse to shadow ball on flutter mane

[flint pewter]

I only calculated hit 1 tho

[flint pewter]

Wait I have dark pulse on it?

[prisma olive]

lorb dmg is inconsistent for regidrago

[prisma olive]

mhm

[flint pewter]

Ohh I didnt notice

I think I accidentaly put it there

[prisma olive]

also id do tailwind over protect for whimsi, and maybe encore over sunny day

[flint pewter]

I wanted to have sunny day to power flutter and Chi yu

[prisma olive]

also, i actually dont like icy wind on fmane, but i havent tried it yet so i wont comment that

[prisma olive]

ooo i see

tailwind is a must have tho for whimsi

[flint pewter]

Yeah I know

[prisma olive]

actually, why not just use a sun setter restricted?

[flint pewter]

Zacian is here for a lot of matchups

[prisma olive]

whats the reason for zac over those restricteds

[flint pewter]

It pair great with drago

It hits caly-S well,both the bikes,it hits kyogre and miraidon very well with tera

[prisma olive]

i guess its understandable

but having a move for weather control instead of an ability slows down your tempo

im no expert really, but thats my opinion

[flint pewter]

Yeah but the rest of the team applies so much pressure that it doesnt realy matter that much

[prisma olive]

i would do booster energy on flutter mane instead of specs, just so you dont really depend on the sun as much.

both regidrago and chiyu already hits pretty hard

[flint pewter]

Understandable

[prisma olive]

it also lets flutter mane taunts, since you dont have a taunt user on your team

you would have quite a hard time against hard tr

eh

ah yeah

having 2 hard hitters who cant protect while youre in tr can make stalling for tr tough

[flint pewter]

Yeah youre right

[flat eagle]

https://pokepast.es/ad9006792d20babd. Reg J Ice/Trick Room(?) team.
Cal-I Main Physical Attacker (EV spread is to make EF usable in Psychic Terrain, willing to rework it if could be made better)
Terapagos Secondary Spec Attacker (Really, here to use my second Restricted Slot)
Abomasnow Main Snow setter. Here for Aurora Veil and help Cal-I with damage
Indeedee-F Sets us Psychic Surge (for Expanding Force for Cal-I), Trick Room, redirection, and damage boost for Cal-I
A-Ninetails Secondary and offensive Snow setter. Helping Hand is there for (what else) increasing Cal-I's damage
Chien-Pao Sword of Ruin to (am I starting to sound like a broken record yet?) help improve Cal-I's damage. Psychic Fangs is there for both coverage AND to destroy screens.
Here's a test game (that I won, didn't last long enough to actually SEE how good it is). Notable events include OHKO'ing U-RS with Glacial Lance (will admit, it was in the snow, +1 Attack, Tera Ice boost, AND had a Helping Hand boost but still...) and my Cal-I only taking 40% damage from CC, despite it being super-effective. Screens helped. Granted, from a different build (when I originally had Chi-Yu instead of Chien-Pau (forgetting GL is physical, so needed SoR, not BoR) and speed IVs on a couple of Pokemon were at 31 instead of 0. but since there was nothing different in this battle (Cal-I and Abomasnow were the same), I posted it anyway.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/e0557ff164c849a8
Any tips for this team

[ripe turret]

I’d run sash sneasler, and cloak whims needs bulk over spatk

a defensive tera on ghold seems better here also

[flint pewter]

Big problems here man,choice band ice rider?It has close combat and crunch which are never used there and a mixed atacking set with expanding force.4 ice types and 2 normal types?0 speed ivs on chien pao and alolan ninetales?One trick room setter for all of this and there are a lot more problems here,the idea is that the team is awful

[ripe turret]

yeah tbh it looks like a bo1 cts cheese team

like, not to be mean

but it kinda sucks

[distant trellis]

Cb ice rider isn't like

Unheard of

But not with that set