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[royal kernel]

literally all my 5 pkmn were meant to supp him

[fluid lintel]

you won't get anything out of it using that set

I'll send evs for scarf

[royal kernel]

fr

got smoked

[fluid lintel]

yea

[royal kernel]

like

if it was a miraidon comp or tr comp i was ff before even starting

[fluid lintel]

also you can use band ursh and make it slower than lunala tr comp with miraidon

usually lower than 119 but higher than 115

this way you have an immediate way to burst damage

in TR with kyo

as it's impossible to stop TR with that team either way

you have to play around it

I'd probably run an ursh with 114

[royal kernel]

i am thinking bout removing urshi

[fluid lintel]

if banded

ok

[royal kernel]

and getting other mon

[fluid lintel]

well what mons are you looking at

[royal kernel]

someone said early to bring torn and zacian-c instead of urshi and lunala

gonna give it a try

here

[fluid lintel]

yeah

Its better

If you were using lunala you'd usually want to run TR because you'd get outdone by an opposing tw easily, especially if it's prankster TW

Secondly those Mons are much slower and prefer bulk with a bit of speed, justifying the use of TR as it'd be awkward otherwise

[safe imp]

I just use lunala for wide guard and meteor beam into Calyrex ice and counter trick room

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/4b670704890fd871 reg h, any suggestions or anything?

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[ripe turret]

I used to have p2 over primarina but found I wasn't using TR much and was struggling a bit too much against dozogiri

also thinking about roar/taunt incin over blitz

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/562a5abebee44eaa

[pearl valley]

grassy terrain reduces garchomp’s earthquake’s power

[ripe turret]

I don't have eq on chomp specifically for that reason man

[pearl valley]

and setup without redirecting

imo amoonguss > rillaboom

Or you can replace garchomp

[ripe turret]

what would I replace it with

[sleek laurel]

Amoong does look pretty good here

Helps Ghold and Garchomp both setup with both Pollen Puff and Rage Powder while offering help against Trick Room

[ripe turret]

kk

should I run eq chomp then

or nah

[pearl valley]

you dont have any flying types

[ripe turret]

ig yeah

[pearl valley]

you could go tera flying sneasler + coaching

[sleek laurel]

Viably, but since it’s Swords Dance

Like you can’t really fit both

Dropping Dragon Claw ig but liiiike don’t lol

[ripe turret]

I do like the coverage against tera ghost incin, dragapult, gholdengo, etc though

yeah I think I'll just keep SD

[sleek laurel]

Yea like

[ripe turret]

I don't really like EQ in general lol

[sleek laurel]

I think Amoong > Rilla is still

Helpful here

But EQ isn’t needed

[ripe turret]

alr

sitrus?

[sleek laurel]

Yes

Or Covert but I’m really liking Sitrus in H

[ripe turret]

alr thx

[sleek laurel]

Np

[ocean estuary]

https://pokepast.es/d0944ceb56a30aed Hi everyone, getting back into VGC for 2026. Here is the first team I built for reg H for the upcoming season starting. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Tried to make sure I had my core, speed, weather and terrain control with this team. Where can I improve?

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[fluid lintel]

I think you should run a couple test matches to find its weaknesses

I think it immediately loses to psyspam though

[ocean estuary]

Yes, I will absolutely do that! Just wanted to see if I even got close to something 😂

[ocean estuary]

Wouldn’t Ice Spinner Dragonite be able to help get rid of that psychic terrain?

[ripe turret]

typhlosion-h is a strict upgrade to normal typhlosion, since the natural ghost typing makes you immune to fake out (also the stats might be better although I’m not entirely sure)

you don’t need two haze users, run taunt on murkrow instead

tera fairy>steel on dnite and fire/poison>grass on rilla

EVs can be optimized, refer to the SmogDex for those

overall pretty solid though

your psyspam matchup is fine imo

[ocean estuary]

Great, thank you so much! Definitely going to make adjustments. If I wanted to keep haze on Murkrow bc of prankster, what would be a good sub for Primarina, a coverage move or a status move?

[thin elk]

I tried to build a mono-water team using Reg-J
Kyogre @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Water Spout
• Tera Blast
• Thunder Wave
• Protect

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Surging Strikes
• U-turn
• Rock Tomb

Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate
Ability: Multitype
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature

• Heat Wave
• Tera Blast
• Calm Mind
• Tailwind

Basculegion @ Life Orb
Ability: Adaptability
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Last Respects
• Wave Crash
• Psychic Fangs
• Pain Split

Iron Bundle @ Choice Specs
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Freeze-Dry
• Hydro Pump
• Tera Blast
• Icy Wind

Toxapex @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Limber
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Relaxed Nature

• Chilling Water
• Ice Spinner
• Haze
• Baneful Bunker

[ripe turret]

maybe just calm mind, I don’t think it has many other useful moves but I could be weong

wrong

[sturdy pecan]

i know this team sucks but can smn help me with it

https://pokepast.es/2556cf6f3ddb37b5

and sableye has pranksster

keen eye was misclick

indeeedee has psy surge too

i forgor to fix

[modest dune]

You could have calyrex running gravity, it'd be way better than having Sableye+Darkrai do nothing for 3 turns then die. Additionally calyrex can stop chesto and lum berties

Though I haven't ran a Darkrai team myself and these seem super matchup reliant

[ripe turret]

do not run gravity csr lol

I think improving sableye’s moveset will help more

[modest dune]

Problem is Sableye is kinda just

There to gravity

Darkrai is inherently flawed because it's a weak pokemon without dark void

I haven't laddered up in reg J for 2 weeks but I have seen some csr darkrai

At least if you have CSR out you have some real firepower

[ripe turret]

true

[modest dune]

That's why its probably better to have CSR do it imo

You could just drop drain kiss on it easily

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/eddfd5533474f4e0

i really REALLY wanna use volcanion, also these pokemon except the first three are just random, with surf being able to control when I heal Volcanion + chip I guess? Need help on this one

[pearl valley]

trying out different teams i made https://pokepast.es/12fe1d35329166bd

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[sonic wind]

unfortunately Volcanion is unviable considering you can use Pokemon like Kyogre and Miraidon

using it for fun is fine, but you'd just get told to replace it here, since advice is for making a team suited for competitive

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/70eb798008826979 I made a new team ( Reg I )

I think this is a very popular team? Not sure since I picked these pokemon myself

[vagrant orchid]

Is my reg j team good?
https://pokepast.es/1fd9af576e58d815

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[reef bough]

Im not one to judge but I dont think Eternatus is good

[final shell]

Please rate my reg I team
https://pokepast.es/df6b793df3655872
Open to Pokémon changes, just want to keep zamazenta cause he's the goat

[pearl valley]

why iron bundle and not walking wake

[reef bough]

Kill miraidon

[thin elk]

I've been having fun building monotype VGC teams so behold my suboptimal teambuilding

Ability: Multitype  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Steel  
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD  
Modest Nature  
- Judgment  
- Tera Blast  
- Icy Wind  
- Calm Mind  

Miraidon @ Choice Specs  
Ability: Hadron Engine  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Electric  
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
- Discharge  
- Draco Meteor  
- Dazzling Gleam  
- Snarl  

Kilowattrel @ Ability Shield  
Ability: Volt Absorb  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Electric  
EVs: 124 Def / 4 SpA / 124 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Tailwind  
- Electroweb  
- Volt Switch  
- Roost  

Iron Hands @ Sitrus Berry  
Ability: Quark Drive  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD  
Adamant Nature  
- Belly Drum  
- Drain Punch  
- Supercell Slam  
- Fake Out  

Rotom-Wash @ Light Clay  
Ability: Levitate  
Level: 50  
Shiny: Yes  
Tera Type: Ghost  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Thunder Wave  
- Light Screen  
- Reflect  
- Poltergeist  

Regieleki @ Electric Seed  
Ability: Transistor  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Electric  
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe  
Hasty Nature  
- Acrobatics  
- Thunder Cage  
- Rapid Spin  
- Volt Switch  ```

[pearl valley]

flutter mane can do that

[ripe turret]

definitely agree that bundle is a little weird here - you’re also running a very suboptimal moveset on it

p2 does absolutely nothing here

you definitely want to run max speed max atk adamant urshifu unless the bulk does something

your other move choices are slightly suboptimal (flame charge>dragon claw on korai, icy wind>dgleam on flutter, hhp>leech seed on cir)

[marsh frigate]

https://pokepast.es/4f827ceb44b846bf this is the team im gonna run in the gc, any huge problems you see?

[reef bough]

What do you suggest to replace porygon, tinkaton? Sneasler?

Ursaluna Bm?

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/092eda5e5f0940dd RMT

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[reef bough]

Shiftry?

[ripe turret]

brute bonnet could be a good shout here, it works exceptionally well on koraidon teams and provides you with some good redirection/spore pressure along with being super bulky in the sun

oh and also run sash flutter

[sturdy pecan]

what mon do i run over sableye

[sturdy pecan]

also does blunder polkcy dakrai work

[fluid lintel]

use specs flutter mane and booster energy bundle and you got a bo1 mid ladder menace

[fluid lintel]

secondly you might want to opt for a banded ursh so you can have a TR mode

either way I like the idea of having it, so you don't get blasted by csr or wheezing matchups and mirrors

Also it'd be versatile with booster energy bundle but you have to be smart with your evs

anyways replace porygon2 (unusable in this format, too many more overpowered mons that can stop it from doing what it wants to do, either to set up TR or attack, but you're probably gonna be spamming heals at that point and not getting damage, meaning it's easy to get a mind game going)

you can go for a bulky whimsiscott that has taunt, tickle, endeavor and tw or use brute bonnet ORRR or use ursaluna

boom there's your two modes for da team, to function out and in TR ig)

okay anyways imo

[rare hill]

Could anyone rate this? sorry to keep asking

[vagrant orchid]

Can someone help me

[sleek laurel]

I’m here

[sleek laurel]

Team looks good beyond EV spreads

But that’s going to be a bit hard to properly find because it’s TailRoom

[rare hill]

yeah

I have had that problem for a while now

[sleek laurel]

Oh

[rare hill]

especially speed evs

[sleek laurel]

And probably try Scarf Typh

Since it’s Sun

And the Scarf slot is open

[rare hill]

I was thinking of that

but like

it don't outspeed sneasler

and dragapult

[sleek laurel]

Although

You have Tailwind

[rare hill]

outside of that it don't matter

hm

[sleek laurel]

Sorry it’s 7 am I

Am still trying to make my brain work

[rare hill]

it's aight

[sleek laurel]

I woke up lit 5 mins ago

[rare hill]

lol

[sleek laurel]

I’ll try to find you spreads

[rare hill]

aight

[sleek laurel]

When my brain is actually functional

Because

But like

[rare hill]

I was thinking

just have the TR core be 0 speed

and tailwind core be max

cause torkoal ain't working in tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Max Speed is unnecessary for Tailwind often

Ursaluna could use some Speed

But Torkoal yes

[sleek laurel]

This is optional

And a huge debate

Torkoal is 0 Speed always

[rare hill]

I did sense that l-orb eruption was kinda stupid

during testing

yeah

[sleek laurel]

I was looking at that

Maybe Charcoal

[rare hill]

for torkoal?

[sleek laurel]

No for Typh

[rare hill]

why?

it don't set up sun

[sleek laurel]

Because LOrb Eruption

🔥

[rare hill]

ah ok

[sleek laurel]

LOrb is btw fine

But you gotta

Be VERY wary

Because it’s only fine if you assume you’re staying at super high health

[rare hill]

well

wellllllllllll

Ehh

I mean it outspeed most stuff

[sleek laurel]

But I’m not a huge fan anyway

[rare hill]

outside of top mons

[sleek laurel]

But it can work

[rare hill]

like sneasler, and dragapult

[sleek laurel]

If you make it work

[rare hill]

everything else it outspeed

[sleek laurel]

Yea you need to be very smart with Tailwind tho

[rare hill]

why so

[sleek laurel]

Because if you bring Typh

You’re probably bringing Tailwind

And if you lose your Tailwind setter early

Typh becomes hard to properly manage against the aforementioned top threats

But it’s workable

You just gotta be wary of health management

[rare hill]

ok

[sleek laurel]

Which is not that hard in practice

But just a tip

[rare hill]

well I did get destroyed by minimize baton pass vikavolt helping hand bug buzz

so that was

something

[sleek laurel]

LOL

Happens to all of us

[rare hill]

like that was traumatizing

[sleek laurel]

Anyway, lemme actually get some coffee first

[rare hill]

lol ok

[unborn silo]

https://pokepast.es/849298829b8abe2f
reg H I pretty sure this team have too much mon that weak to fire

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[rare hill]

thanks @sleek laurel if there any other suggestions lemme know

[sleek laurel]

Np, I’ll revisit this asap

[rare hill]

aight

[sleek laurel]

If no other raters take care of this in 30 minutes ping me personally please

I’m going to e a t

Lol

[unborn silo]

Tag you right? or direct message?

[sleek laurel]

Tag

Lol

I probably won’t see a DM because it’s going to be marked by Discord so yea tag plz

[unborn silo]

@sleek laurel

[sleek laurel]

It does look fine, I’m tryna see about the Fire weaknesses but I don’t think it’s that bad

Out of the three Fire weaknesses, two can Tera into resists

And if you’re facing a Sun team you’re going to want to do that anyway

And then it’s only two weaknesses left

I’m wondering why are you running Max Speed on almost everything, is there a reason in specific?

Ok well ig Ninetales wants Max Speed and Life Orb Gholdengo appreciates it, Annihilape mainly ig

[unborn silo]

I got no speed control

[sleek laurel]

Ah makes sense

I thought the Dragonite had Tailwind for a sec mbmb

Yea the team looks fine tbh

Fire weaknesses are a bit of a worry on paper and I can see why

But against most Sun teams you probably like

Bring Dragonite, terastallize Annihilape

Ninetales helps for Weather control

And probably Bloodmoon ig

[sleek laurel]

Btw I’d consider bulkier Ape instead of the Attack investment (SpD invest is great with it)

You don’t really care about Attack because Rage Fist does a bazillion

And Bulk Up covers that too

[unborn silo]

I mean when I facing a sun team my dragonite get burned to ash by torkoal

[sleek laurel]

Dragonite can definitely take one Eruption

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Fire Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Dragonite in Sun: 119-141 (71.6 - 84.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That’s without Multiscale

[unborn silo]

And how much sp.d should I add on ape

[sleek laurel]

Probably do like

68 HP 4 Atk 4 Def 180 SpD 252+ Spe

Stolen directly from SmogDex 🔥

[sleek laurel]

My main worry here is actually Charizard Sun, and I think for that one you definitely want the Tera Fire Annihilape

And yea Tera Fire Annihilape with Speed is actually a great help for that one

[unborn silo]

But there is one thing that are nightmare for my team av archaludon

[sleek laurel]

Hmmmmm

[sleek laurel]

Does look tough, maybe try to win the weather war and use Gholdengo

Dragonite could be brought for Haze

Tbh, you could try Incin > Rilla here

With Tera Grass

It helps patch up both of these matchups (as long as you’re willing to Tera Grass) and gives you Intimidate

[rare hill]

yo @sleek laurel you said sum about looking at my team again and giving ev spreads?

I was gone doing sum so I just remembered

[sleek laurel]

Yea, but I’m kinda busy rn home mb

Mb

Will try to get it done today tho

[rare hill]

it's aight

[upper salmon]

I know about the ice weakness but are there any other problems with my team?

And the sleep cause isn't in effect for my tournament so I plan to abuse it

[prisma olive]

just wanna pitch an idea here, dunno if youre interested tho

rather than taking advantage of the sleep clause, why not make it especially hard for other teams to put you to sleep?

im confident to say that darkrai will be running around a lot

[upper salmon]

Yeah if only smeared didn't screw him in 2015

[prisma olive]

just pitching ideas here, not telling you to do it

u can prob do smth like scarf annihilape for darkrai counter

or have mirai in ur team to just disable the whole sleep thingy altogether

[reef bough]

brute bonnet or ursaluna on a out tr and in tr team

[upper salmon]

I might try running miradon. You know any good mutitarget flying moves incase of a ground?

[prisma olive]

if you play mirai, we're not running darkrai in any way

[reef bough]

Eterrain prevents sleep right

[prisma olive]

mhm

[reef bough]

Just use psychic surge with csr gravity and youre all set

[upper salmon]

Electricity terrain is a bi-

[prisma olive]

oo youre right

[reef bough]

Turn 1 bring indeedee with csr then gravity turn 2 bring darkrai

[reef bough]

or bring indeedee in when eterrain up

[prisma olive]

scarf annihilape then

[reef bough]

Also helps csr expanding force

if u want to run it

[prisma olive]

you can take his advice if you wanna run dark void spam

[upper salmon]

I actually was gonna use smeared for gravity since could also use wide guard

[prisma olive]

i second him

[prisma olive]

nah

smeargle is not fast enough to even set gravity

[reef bough]

Garganacl

but its too

not good in this reg

[upper salmon]

True his stats are so garbage

[prisma olive]

nope

[reef bough]

Smeargle will just die setting gravity up

[prisma olive]

has garganacl even see any play in vgc?

[reef bough]

Only regigigas and garganacl line can have both wide guard and gravity

[reef bough]

In lower powered formats yea

[prisma olive]

oo i see

[upper salmon]

Idk regi might like my weezing

[reef bough]

loses psychic surge

and bad dreams

[prisma olive]

honestly going for csr darkrai, youre gonna run to a LOT of mirror matchups\

[reef bough]

you can misty terrain weezing

[prisma olive]

so if thats smth youre fine with, feel free to run it

[reef bough]

If youd like

instead of pterrain

[prisma olive]

just my opinion, but i find mirror matchups annoying

[reef bough]

The mindgames between tera

[upper salmon]

That actually got me once. A reflected 92% dark void is a pain

[reef bough]

i dont see a reason to use darkrai when you cant use berries bcz of csr, eterrain, alot of fairies in the regulation

A TRUCK LOAD of priority moves

(E. Speed, sucker, vacuum wave just to name a few)

it gets countered alot, if you set up gravity next to it, if it gets outsped and dies youre done for

Wish xerneas was here lol

[upper salmon]

Never talk about big six again

[reef bough]

Your gweezing is levitate?

[reef bough]

LMAO

[upper salmon]

Neutralizing gas

[reef bough]

its on levitate

So your team is a hard sleep team

im no expert btw

[upper salmon]

Yeah the plan is to weezing toedscruel a protect/spore

[upper salmon]

Me neither

[reef bough]

If youre asking for problems heres some

1. Too sleep reliant, if no opposing pokemon is sleeping you cant do anything
2. Lack of restricted power
3. no offense (barely)
4. Zacian ohkos 3/4 of your team
5. Gimmicky much

[upper salmon]

True zamazenta is my only real offense/tank and all he needs is one good spatk

Thinking about it an ally switch destiny bond is foul

I might try that

[reef bough]

you can cut toedscruel and weezing here, change them so youre not too reliant on sleep

Yeah sure weezing neutralizing gas is good but theres no point when the only thing its for is to disable toedscruels ability when you already have a sleeper

If you wnana keep toedscruel put rage powder and utility
You can, change smeargle to inde2f

Get an offensive pokemon

[ripe turret]

perish is going to be incredibly hard to make work, but even if you want to keep the team you’re going to need to make some major changes

the first thing is that every single mon on your team needs to have protect, which means that you probably won’t be using specs mirai, you can try lorb actually with protect over overheat and tera electric

for your other two non-protecteds run it over toxic and snarl, also replace blitz on incin with knock off and goggles with helmet (you have eterrain aready)

give scream tail the booster energy and tera dark, its main draw is outspeeding almost everything unless they have a boost of their own and dark allows it to block prankster taunt which is really crucial (also gives it a ghost resist)

make goth faster than goggles/helm incin so you can taunt before they parting shot, also run tera water for a better defensive typing

tera steel/fire on etern is best probably, also give it lefties so you don’t hurt yourself if you tera and make it bulkier with less speed

tera ghost on bundle to avoid fake out

run 244 188 76 impish on incin to have the highest chance of living surging strikes from ursh

that’s all I have, may have missed a bit though

[upper salmon]

Miradon is a pretty good offense but all he needs is one ground to be screwed plus electric terrain makes the sleep strat unusable

Maybe I could use koridon?

Plus you are right about the ditching toedscruel I need an ice counter

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/98b5fc878fceb604

[vagrant orchid]

Okay I'll do that thanks

[sharp elm]

https://pokepast.es/2a285b7e8e053e92 RMT?

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[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/22d92e541f20e41f i posted this team but nobody said anything so im posting it again and i’ll stop if nobody responds

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/52abaf032e0cb3fd
https://pokepast.es/5a4854768e2a14d2
Which team is better?

[prisma olive]

id say this is pretty great, not rly sure if it needs any change tbh

[fluid lintel]

someone using Groudon :p

[rocky hamlet]

my tr team lol:

https://pokepast.es/2473cdc3509b6aee

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[rocky hamlet]

thats pretty good icl

id give it a 7.5/10

[prisma olive]

not a big fan of this honestly. im assuming youre tryna bring wolfes toronto team?

theres a reason why wolfe said "there might not be another chance to do a perish trap team" in his vid

i wont comment much, tho i do strongly advice not having perish trap as a 2nd wincon, its not worth it most of the time

also, av archa really only works when rain is up. no rain, archa is basically useless

[rocky hamlet]

fair enough ig, thx

do you have ani advice for me to fix it?

like other than remove perish trap (which i will do lol)

[rocky hamlet]

i just like perish/trick room teams

lol

[broken shuttle]

works just needs some minor set adjustments

miraidon should always have volt switch, drop discharge for it

modest chi-yu is usually preferred to accelerate damage more effectively and because there isn't really any other relevant scarfer between its modest and timid speed tier

imprison farig is pretty bad, i would suggest going roar if you're actually worried about trick room as it also allows you to phase out setup sweepers like volcarona & pagos. close combat hands is also pretty bad, go drain punch

go tera dark on your whimsicott to avoid prankster taunts/encores from opposing whims

hands and don need some EV adjustments

Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: Drought
EVs: 108 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 228 SpD / 12 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• High Horsepower
• Protect
  source: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/groudon/vgc25-regulation-i/ (if you would like to know what the spread does)

Iron Hands @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Quark Drive
EVs: 76 HP / 180 Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Brave Nature

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Wild Charge
• Heavy Slam
  source: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/iron-hands/vgc25-regulation-i/ (if you would like to know what the spead does)

[broken shuttle]

i think this team is pretty awkward and confused

are you trying to perish trap or are you trying to use hard trick room

[rocky hamlet]

fair enough

[broken shuttle]

because those play very differently and should have different builds entirely

[rocky hamlet]

i made a new one ig

https://pokepast.es/601489727c105c56

is it better or worse?

[broken shuttle]

yeah this is better

[rocky hamlet]

lets go

[broken shuttle]

needs a few adjustments still

[rocky hamlet]

for example

thx for helping

[broken shuttle]

cresselia is really redundant here, and iron valiant doesn't get you a whole lot nor is that set good here or in general

i think you want something here that can make the team more flexible

[rocky hamlet]

hmm

good point

[broken shuttle]

i would go AV raging bolt and scarf urshifu here

over the cresselia and val

[rocky hamlet]

i like the screen support tho

but

ill try it

thanks a ton!

[broken shuttle]

there are much better screeners than cresselia

[rocky hamlet]

ik

[broken shuttle]

and your team doesn't rly need screens you have amoonguss incin

let me make a few more edits to this

[rocky hamlet]

thx

[broken shuttle]

it's mostly right just needs a few minor adjustments

[rocky hamlet]

les go

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/52abaf032e0cb3fd
https://pokepast.es/5a4854768e2a14d2
Which team is better?

[rocky hamlet]

for what format?

[broken shuttle]

H

[rocky hamlet]

oh

[broken shuttle]

the rilla one is better but you need assault vest on archaludon

[rocky hamlet]

ye

[broken shuttle]

go miracle seed/meadow plate on rilla

you can alternatively consider loaded dice + bullet seed to proc archaludon stamina

[fluid lintel]

Nah not the bo1 menaces

[broken shuttle]

it should always have volt switch, it's miraidon's best move

[fluid lintel]

there's this covert cloak bait set

let me check his

lorb

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/bcd71040bbbda345
i pulled all updated spreads from the smogon dex analysis except for the caly spread so feel free to look here if you want explanations on those: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc25-regulation-i/

Caly
SD -> Trick Room, you don't really need SD, it's better to spam glacial lance with the option to set trick room so you aren't reliant on Lunala for it
it's EV'd to live Life Orb CSR Astral or Specs Drift. The speed is for adamant Urshifu at -2 and for outspeeding other calyrex & ursaluna outside of trick room (this is really important into the mirror)

Lunala & Incin have updated EVs, i gave incin knock off over protect so you have a better way to pressure CSR. if you have any more questions lmk!

bolt has ewebs here because it allows you to play more flexibly out of trick room

something really valuable for calyrex-ice teams

[broken shuttle]

i mean if you want to larp on bo1 ladder with stuff like that feel free but it's not competitively good which is what this channel is for🤠 👍

[fluid lintel]

Shouldn't it be okay if he doesn't have vs? ofc it's more optimal to deal damage and pivot, but I imagine for his set he actually likes to stay in for a bit while being able to do so with support from Groudon, and chi-yu

protect is valuable for mind games only against fake out, and stalling out turns but meh it's best to have for those scena

[broken shuttle]

discharge is really situational, you can only really click it when groudon is on the field making it a much less valueable move than volt switch

you don't really have room for it on non-specs sets

[fluid lintel]

which is probably going to be turn 2, but not optimal if it can't confirm kos because miraidon doesn't like to take damage early game

yea I see it now

[broken shuttle]

they do not necessarily need Lorb here per se but it's much better into the mirror matchup as you're able to scout the opposing Miraidon's moves & retaliate accordingly

while also making Draco Meteor a much more valueable click as it's not punished by specs lock

like with draco + volt you can draco and then still volt out for a lot of damage at +2

makes your miraidon much more flexible overall which is vital for miraidon structures

[fluid lintel]

I know.. but this team feels like it can leverage not getting a bit of chip damage, as they intend to end with either discharge or just send in incredibly hard hitters, sacrifice and repeat. maybe we can opt for ev spread changes as he's probably going to be extremely reliant on turn 1 TW for most matchups

[broken shuttle]

you need volt switch dawg

[fluid lintel]

dammit maybe not

[broken shuttle]

if miraidon cannot pivot it does not damage trade anywhere near as well

u genuinely just get worse in literally every matchup for nothing

[fluid lintel]

I think that there are alternatives to it

he's running chiyu Groudon and iron hands as main dmg dealers

[broken shuttle]

miraidon should always be the main damage dealer on any team that it's on👍

as it is here

[fluid lintel]

I believe it's more of a standalone with iron hands and fari for TR support as there isn't many greater options

[broken shuttle]

and i am telling you that you are incorrect👍

[fluid lintel]

He wants quick burst damage to close with discharge

chiyu and groudon

it all depends on his lead

but tbh since he's going to feel the need to setup tw turn 1 majority of the time, for mirror matches or matches where the opposing mon also has the threat of setting it up, and is either loaded dice koraidon, caly-S, mirror miraidon, sometimes flutter mane as well, and crazy asf bo1 players with cs mons you might prefer protect to conserve yourself, maybe getting a safe switch in as the opponent attempts to subvert the huge threat, allowing another one in. Which happens a lot in mirror matches

if they burn tera, most likely all the better but meh

and yes for those people who thought we ignored other terrain setters (we did not, he is positive for that reason also. But to me it's just that it feels like he might not need it, and for that case to go for a high damage move or scout)

[rocky hamlet]

tysm

goat

the calyrex evs are for surviving astral barrage without tera

lol

[broken shuttle]

ya

[rocky hamlet]

hopefully i can win some games know

now**

[broken shuttle]

gl

[rocky hamlet]

imma name one of them in your honour

i think the urshifu

lol

[crude otter]

the raters know what they're talking abt ftr

if you have a question or concern theres no harm in bringing it up but in general try to not argue w them actively for a while

[pearl valley]

i used lorb over specs because the highest placing miraidon at worlds was running lorb and not specs, and because he wasn’t running specs he could slot protect on there

[broken shuttle]

yeah no issue with using lorb here ftr

the issue is with dropping volt switch for discharge as i was saying

[modest dune]

Specs Discharge Miraidon on a quest to kill all its allies and get protect stalled 🔥 🔥

[wanton shard]

https://pokepast.es/951af00db37732b1 im making a team as core being braviary-hisui. However i notice i truggle a real lot with rain team (pelipper/archaludon) any suggestions on what i should replace. (REG H)

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[hidden mountain]

https://pokepast.es/86ab1f33be512b3f
Hi. I dont really know what im doing. Im just getting into VGC and am tryna build a team and am struggling into hard trickroom teams.

[spare widget]

This is more of an all rounder team rather than trick room/hard TR but other than that seems fairly solid 👍

[hidden mountain]

I mean I'm struggling into trick room teams

Calyrex ice is scary

[ripe turret]

this team doesn’t really fit either of the current regulations, if it’s for reg J then you should add another restricted and if it’s for reg H then you can’t have csr or urshifu

[hidden mountain]

Idk what other restricted would be good so I built it for the 1 where you can only have 1 and was testing it in the one you can have two lol

[ripe turret]

ok that’s fine, I would just suggest replacing whimsicott with arceus here

it’s a pretty standard fixture on csr balance

[hidden mountain]

Hmm

Would losing prankster not be bad

And what does csr mean sorry?

[marsh frigate]

calyrex shadow

[ripe turret]

sorry I was driving home lol

[ripe turret]

here it’s ok, the team is more reliant on positioning and stalling out opponents’ speed control than having your own

mainly accomplished using the double fake out + protects

[ripe turret]

calyrex shadow rider

if you’re struggling against TR (I don’t think you should be in theory but it does require a lot of precision) you can try taunt incin or imprison farig

[hidden mountain]

I think my issue is just playing badly tbf

[hidden mountain]

Hmm

I have found encore plus prankster pretty egregious at stealing games tbf but il try it do you reccomend any particular sets?

[fluid lintel]

is this reg G or reg I

[ripe turret]

Arceus @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Multitype
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Swords Dance
• Protect
• Shadow Claw

you can also try slotting whimsicott over farig

[hidden mountain]

Tysm

Il test both oout

Would bringing caly incin fargrif and rillaboom be correct for hard trick room?

[ripe turret]

you would bring arceus over farig probably

but yeah

[fluid lintel]

anyone wanna build reg H

[broken shuttle]

#comp-general or in https://discord.gg/ztxMzCUe

[rare hill]

@sleek laurel I wanted to talk to you about sum bascially what kind of speed evs and ivs should u have for tailroom teams since a bit ago you reviewed my tailroom team

[sleek laurel]

Depends massively on the Pokémon in question

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/478934ffb9b2c3ba

this is the team

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[sleek laurel]

I’ll check for some spreads out there sooner than later

[rare hill]

alr

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/e8c8edefae07ed5b
How's this team

[broken shuttle]

looks good to me, no real notes that i can pick out

if you have any questions lmk but i wouldn’t rly change anything here

[narrow dock]

What do I do against other sneaslers

https://pokepast.es/b3386b81258ad9bb
And is this team good

?

[pearl valley]

sleep powder over coaching on lilligant

your only physical attacker is ursaluna, and it’s already so powerful it doesn’t need a coaching boost

[hidden mountain]

Tysm for this btw started beating caly-rex ice trick room teams

[broken shuttle]

use your own sneasler/gholdengo/pelipper to chip it down/snipe it with a hurricane or make it rain

[broken shuttle]

amoonguss is too passive for a team like this go armorouge over it & drop coaching for sleep powder on lilligant like neapolean said

[crimson pagoda]

Trying out this new reg J with this team, any thoughts?

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[ripe turret]

looks mostly good

I think your incin set might be from singles

but everything else is ok

I'd just go with a rocky helmet set

[ripe turret]

I don’t think iron hands needs to be min speed here, a little speed investment could actually be nice since it’s not hard TR

but yeah that’s probably it

[midnight hamlet]

I made a really dumb team that attempts to take advantage of fusion flare/bolt doubling in power if its counterpart was used in the same turn. As such, it's reshiram and zekrom surrounded by supporting pieces. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/d12f2467362465cc

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[midnight hamlet]

I am now realizing I forgot to set tera types for talonflame and blastoise, whoops

[ripe turret]

dude that is completely wrong

like that’s the spread that won worlds

(last year)

[broken shuttle]

hi, i think the general core on this team is solid, but having all of Iron Hands/Farigiraf/Ursaluna/Calyrex is pretty redundant

i would recommend dropping Iron Hands here, as its role is pretty much already filled by Ursaluna, Incineroar, and Calyrex. Secondly, I would recommend replacing Farigiraf with Grimmarl, as this gives your team much needed bulk into what would otherwise be really difficult matchups and you don't really need a secondary trick room setter outside of Calyrex.

For an Iron Hands replacement, I like Choice Scarf Urshifu-R here in order to pick off Calyrex Shadow and Pagos. As previously noted, your incineroar is not necessarily good for a doubles metagame— it should be Assault Vest in order to better take on Calyrex-S.

team with edits: https://pokepast.es/0ba7bbad11e4fcbd

[ripe turret]

hey that’s my team lol

but with ursa over volc

and sash ursh

[broken shuttle]

yeah gonna be honest with you chief this isn't gonna work well for you, if you want a competitive team that will work well for ya check out this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=736919171#gid=736919171

every pokemon on that team is unviable & has no niche in VGC metagames

[broken shuttle]

the reason i suggest grimmsnarl is largely bc it works well in and out of trick room, + it gives you additional speed control out of TR with twave

it just augments the team's bulk a lot which is very useful here

[midnight hamlet]

yeah Im swapping my blastoise for it

I still want to keep the core idea of comboing reshiram and zekrom, bc I think it's really funny and want to see how far I can take it, but I'm updating my support mons

blastoise was on bc I know I need at least one water type bc ground is a problem for the duo, and blastoise also packs fake out, but urshifu is almost certainly better

[broken shuttle]

yeah this is fine

[broken shuttle]

incin + cir or grimm + cir

lets you get trick room up

if they have bolt do incin + cir because that way you can guarantee TR goes up without committing tera

[old kindle]

just turned the team i had with annihilape but fitted on cinccino to be my stamina proccer and just changed the rillaboom set
https://pokepast.es/7aa7de546e6e6514

i completely forgot cinccino can actually be somewhat viable in reg h until now

but yeah since i really wanna use both cinno and arch, i figured i can use arch as normal and use cinno as a hybrid self proccer and dps

[pearl valley]

maushold does everything cinccino does but bettet

also rillaboom + amoonguss on the same team is kinda redundant

basculeigon should be over amoonguss or rillaboom

[old kindle]

uh erm cinccino is cuter tho!!

but yeah i'm adamant on using cinccino lol

btw is there another mon i could use over basc?

i've tried basc before but i don't really vibe with it

[pearl valley]

Kingdra, but that’s kind of niche

[old kindle]

so it has to be a swift swimmer sorta?

[pearl valley]

thats the pokemon that is most like basculegion

or you can run primarina

[ripe turret]

I think basc is the best option here

gives you a fast nuke option that you otherwise lack

and yeah maus here is probably just better than cinccino

[ripe turret]

btw rillaboom and amoonguss aren't always redundant, but here I definitely agree you need some more fast offense

[burnt surge]

Wanted to build around Flamigo but with some testing I've had some issues with Tera Fairy Volcarona
https://pokepast.es/14f970da7f30af3c

[sleek laurel]

I’ll check this in 1-2 hours if the others haven’t yet

This team has 6 mons weak to Tera Fairy Volcarona yea

There’s something about the double dragons that I’m not really fond of, but I need to actually think for this one (as in, it’s not blatant LOL) so lemme actually get to cram school first gg

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d2dc32968761bfd2
How's this team

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[jovial creek]

go fake out sneasler

over coaching

I also don't really like the double tw but its probably fine

[hazy vapor]

https://pokepast.es/20e38d97d4cf0c41
What can I improve and should there be any changes like using a different pokemon

[ripe turret]

you need a second restricted, your sets are also just all over the place

[burnt surge]

I ended up making Ghold metal coat for damage and changing Amoong for Incin

[sleek laurel]

That should help a LOT

Alolan Ninetales should also help because it means Ghold can take a hit and Make It Rain even if you get it wrong

(The 50/50 Heat Wave vs Tera Blast I mean)

And Incin is critical here

Because it generally helps with the Fire-types

[burnt surge]

yeah before I could just throw the dragons at fire types

but tera fairy volc messes with that

[hazy vapor]

Ok so what should I replace

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/ae041e625a06d273 reg h

i feel like haterene is quite lacking, but im not sure what replacements would work

gallade is very strong into common dark type threats, which was sort of haterenes purpose

i was also wondering about trading helping hand on indeedee for protect because there's not many protects on the team

[ripe turret]

flygon is trash, while kingambit and bonnet don’t fit here

what I would suggest is adding leech seed calyrex-i, AV incin, and grimm

also your miraidon set should probably be running tera fairy with draco meteor and dazzling gleam over overheat and u-turn

[hazy vapor]

Hmm I see

[ripe turret]

sash urs is probably better here, but mystic water can work with a little more bulk

also run aqua jet over u-turn

[hazy vapor]

I decided to chose flygon for some weird reason for like tailwind

[ripe turret]

and then electric seed volc with protect and a bug move or giga drain and tera grads

grass

because the leftovers go to caly

btw tera stellar for ursh

[hazy vapor]

Why stellar for ursh if you don't mind me asking

[ripe turret]

I mean it is more of personal preference tbh

but I like stellar on non-choice sets

[hazy vapor]

Oh ok

[ripe turret]

because you can actually use all the boosts

[hazy vapor]

Ah I see

[pearl valley]

specs torkoal can backfire if you don’t have trick room up which makes eruption useless

also 3 psychic types

i’d reccomend dropping gallade or armarouge for hisuian lilligant

[reef bough]

Just gonna put this here, just a test but I wont actually use this team unless its good (which im guessing isnt)

https://pokepast.es/bd6fa1a700419b1c

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[ripe turret]

yeah this is not good at all lol

ignoring the fact that you’re running 4 status moves on an AV mon (?????) toedscruel weezing just doesn’t work in reg j

also lorb cir is pretty terrible

[reef bough]

Its I

But I get the point lol

[ripe turret]

oh mb lol

but yeah idt it works in I either

[lavish nexus]

i ran it before but i could never get much use out of it

gallade is amazing value though, ohkos every common dark type and with helping hand can also one shot archalu

[old kindle]

oh boy

[lavish nexus]

wide guard is also massive value with ursa and goes well into primarina

[old kindle]

the psyspam team?

[lavish nexus]

yea

hop on showdown ill show you it

it's not much different from last time

[old kindle]

low key they are right with the specs torkoal

put in an after you lilligant

[lavish nexus]

i just never felt it worked right though

[old kindle]

its as simple as clicking eruption + after you if not in trick room and in trick room its eruption + swap out lilligant

[lavish nexus]

like i tried it before with a couple different setups

[lavish nexus]

im fine against most tw or balance teams

the issues come against other tr teams

idk if it's just a low ladder thing but there's basically no tailroom either

https://pokepast.es/27c09fafdb92d86e updated version btw

[pearl valley]

you can use it to abuse sleep powder under sun, and still ohko arch

[lavish nexus]

inaccurate moves suck and i hate them

[sonic wind]

dont click it then

simply showing your opponent that you have it forces them to play in ways to avoid getting slept and losing the game

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/15ebc105c8f7c716

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[lavish nexus]

i unironically really like glaceon here

it used to run sash on it but it actually tanked most stuff so now it has never melt

mostly use it into rain teams, freeze dry makes some great use there

4x on pelliper on a team like this is good value

i wanted something to deal with dragon and ground while also being able to deal with pelliper, and this is perfect for that

it's not great at allot, but the things it's good at it's really good at

[pearl valley]

Heat wave over flamethrower on armarouge and over weather ball on torkoal

[vagrant orchid]

How can I improve my perish trap team
https://pokepast.es/2cf17ad9284b8ae5

Reg j

[ripe turret]

not entirely sure what the expert belt does on bundle, so I would replace it unless it's for a specific calc

and you don't need two setup moves on csr

also, you're sash

so I think dropping both of them for psychic and encore is your best bet here

or disable, up to you

[vagrant orchid]

Okay

[fiery pasture]

https://pokepast.es/526c5bce3240ba01

Only really started VGC this year, so this is the first time I’ve had a go at team building rather than using a proven one.

It’s been doing ok in showdown and there’s a local nearby relatively soon + grand challenge reg H and wanted to finalise a team to use and put my head down and practice with it so needed to get onto this lol

Been wanting to use Excadrill as the “powerhouse sweeper” rather than the mainstream gholdengo, archaludon etc and so he also has a weird set because he’s kind of this anti sneasler in a way with the bulldoze to lower speed so excadrill can outspeed, although definitely feels like I’ve only tailored him to one mon and also was deliberating on HH or EQ

I have normal ursaluna just because I prefer it but thinking to use blood moon instead? because ofc incin just walls the team in a way because I have no spAttacker

Wanted my team to have access to both trick room and tailwind and for it to be able to make use of both modes somewhat

Everyone else has a pre much standard set with some lil tweaks in EVs here and there.

Just looking for feedback and advice and would be grateful and appreciative of anything someone can give me even more if it’s drastic changes etc

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[vagrant orchid]

Also what if I replace calaryx shadow with urshifu?

[hidden mountain]

Is Specs not better than life orb on miradon?

[ripe turret]

you need protect on every mon in perish trap

and lorb mirai is just a lot more flexible in general

[hidden mountain]

oh yeah forgot it was perish

[ripe turret]

well you could, but then you would need another restricted, and csr is fine here

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/1a6ea037ab3990c4 CSR and Darkrai

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[pearl valley]

if you’re using darkrai without dark void strats then don’t use it

there are much more powerful special attackers like miraidon

and its usually not advised to have rillaboom and amoonguss on the same team

[ripe turret]

rilla amoonguss on the same team is fine as they generally fill different roles

[grizzled prism]

I'm designing a miraidon regulation G team, I'm really just experimenting right now, but this is what I have so far, any glaring weakness?

I know ground, and I'm planning to switch out meowscerada for a flying type to help manage them, I'm considering gyarados but I'm unsure of it

ALSO, ignore the fact that toxtricity is level 82 and isn't fully EV'd, I'm just keeping track of it right now

[ripe turret]

neither meowscarada nor toxtricity are worth using in reg g

also it’s a little weird having pao with a special attacking restricted

flash cannon is also generally inferior to something like, say tera fairy dgleam

(on mirai)

[reef bough]

Is reg h coming back?

[grizzled prism]

Hold on a sec, I can't type that fast 😭

[ripe turret]

pao needs sucker

ok mb mb lmao

[ripe turret]

yes

[reef bough]

question, would perish trap be good

As a possible wincon

[ripe turret]

I’d say it could worj

work

wolfe certainly made it work

but it is very difficult to run

[reef bough]

I have double fake out with gothitelle and incin/rilla

Thats fine right

[ripe turret]

yeah

[reef bough]

What evs does amoonguss need to survive make it rain?

With nasty plot

[grizzled prism]

1. Meowscerada is kinda a place holder/ backup mon because I already had on fully EV'd

2. Toxtricity is here because I like him and I think he's silly

3. I have Chien-pao here for match ups that miraidon wouldn't be good in

4. Flash cannon is here because I wanted some coverage with a electric tera type, and I liked the types it covered more

[ripe turret]

1. ok that’s fine

2. I mean ok, if you want to use it then sure but I’m just saying it isn’t optimal

3. pao is probably fine here but it needs a slight set change

4. coverage is basically useless because unless you’re attacking a mon that resists electric and takes SE from steel edrift does more damage

[grizzled prism]

Alright, I'll change it to dgleem or maybe discharge

I'm not too sure about the set on pao anyway, any suggestions?

[nimble flame]

dark void is 50% it misses more often then not atleast hypnosis is more accurate

much rather hypnosis also rilla and amoongus do 2 different things ones a redirect for my two restricted the other is a terrain changer and a fake out pivot mon

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/530906d94b60dde5

REG H

Gholdengo is the sweeper in my tailwind mode, paired with whimsi amoonguss and gothitelle or politoed

Tera fighting tera blast is for opposing gholdengo, archaludon, urshifu dark

Whimsicott is here to:
tailwind
beat up archaludon
Helping hand gholdengo (since I didnt max sp.atk evs)
moonblast: opposing archaludon/dragonite

gothitelle: fake out and shadow tag, break p2 and/or opposing amoonguss, trick room is solely there to return it to normal

Politoed: rain setter (i hate the toilet seat bird) for achaludon and perish song user

Archa: common set

Amoonguss: redirection and spore (and counter opposing tr)

I would like double fake out but I dont know whos the weakest link espescially since they all fill a role im satisfied in

[nimble flame]

+2 132+ SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 175-207 (79.1 - 93.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO has to be calm plus max hp and spd

[reef bough]

Oh dang, that also helps against ursabloodmoon right since max spd max hp anyway

[nimble flame]

yes

wait is bm a spa or atk based mon?

[reef bough]

Spa

Ursaluna normal is the physical atk one

[nimble flame]

then yes it helps

im having sm fun with darkrai

[ripe turret]

yeah, but like if you’re not using darkrai for its main gimmick then why use it at all

like just run hypnosis lunala at that point or smth

[ripe turret]

fighting tera I think is just not needed on ghold

opposing gholdengo are immune to it, arch gets chunked by shadow ball, and urshifu doesn’t exist

so

[nimble flame]

cuz i like darkrai

[ripe turret]

ok fair

[reef bough]

OMG WHAT

URSHIFU DOESNT EXIST?

[ripe turret]

in reg h

it doesn’t

[reef bough]

gasp

no more sucker punch

hehe hi nasty plot

[ripe turret]

lmfao

[reef bough]

And tera stellar

I dont wanna tera steel and die to overheat and tera ghost to die to porygons shadow ball

[ripe turret]

I think water is generally better on setup sets

[reef bough]

and water to die to rillaboom grassy glide

hmm

tera dark is weak to fighting

tera ground is weak against water

omd

[ripe turret]

I mean stellar is both of these problems combined

so uh

[reef bough]

doesnt tera stellar neutralize defense types

[ripe turret]

no

[reef bough]

what

.

[ripe turret]

it keeps your original defensive type

turns STAB moves from 1.5x into 2x and gives non-STAB a 1.2x boost for the first time you use a move of the type

[nimble flame]

go tera water cuz tera blast water in rain

[reef bough]

Oh thats cool

But what does it hit for superfective

besides incin

[ripe turret]

uh

don’t do that

ghold kinda needs all its other moves

the only thing you could reasonably drop is like

nasty plot

[reef bough]

i just realized my tax evasion isnt affected by taunt

[ripe turret]

and even then it’s not worth it

[nimble flame]

it already has tera blast

[ripe turret]

oh

what?

[reef bough]

my gholdengo is
Make it rain
Shad ball
Tera blast
Prot

[ripe turret]

oh

[nimble flame]

yea make it tera water

[ripe turret]

yeah you kinda need plot on ghold

[reef bough]

The reason why i hate nasty plot is because i can use defog to remove sp atk drop from mir

[reef bough]

I see

[ripe turret]

defog…?

haze?

[reef bough]

Or clear smog

[reef bough]

Yeah that idk

The one that eliminates stat changes

[ripe turret]

ah

[nimble flame]

Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Level: 50
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 132 SpA / 12 SpD / 108 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Normal
Modest Nature

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

[ripe turret]

yeah that’s the set

[nimble flame]

theres the set

[ripe turret]

you can also run metal coat over lefties

[reef bough]

I have leftovers on politoed

[nimble flame]

metal coat

[reef bough]

Is lo not good on dengo

[ripe turret]

^

you can also do that

[nimble flame]

lo?

[ripe turret]

but personally I like metal coat

[reef bough]

Wait whats metal coat

[reef bough]

Life orb

[ripe turret]

boosts steel moves by 1.2x

so basically mir

[reef bough]

Besides gholdengo everything in my team is fine?

[nimble flame]

i mean yea but metal coat means no life lost

[ripe turret]

you need to run an attack on goth

[reef bough]

doesnt really do anything

[ripe turret]

over either taunt or TR depending on which you value less

[reef bough]

Does shadow ball without lo ko fluttermane already?

[ripe turret]

like it needs to have some sort of field presence

flutter mane

[reef bough]

Its fake out taunt trick room prot

[ripe turret]

also does not exist

[reef bough]

Oh right

[ripe turret]

yeah I’m saying you need psychic over one of the two

[reef bough]

Opposing gholdengo then i mean

[reef bough]

Hm..

[ripe turret]

lorb is a ohko I think

[reef bough]

Without it?

[ripe turret]

unless they’re like

super bulky

[reef bough]

Ill remove tr

Amoonguss is there anyway

[ripe turret]

without lorb it’s not

[nimble flame]

132+ SpA Gholdengo Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Gholdengo: 152-180 (78.3 - 92.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[reef bough]

My mistakes on team making is getting lesser and lesser

[ripe turret]

if you’re running stamina arch go with dragon pulse

[reef bough]

Oh why ?

More consistent?

[ripe turret]

since you want to stay in with the defense boosts

[reef bough]

Alright

[ripe turret]

the drops are much more impactful

[reef bough]

Haze

but i hate missing so

[ripe turret]

also tera grass is better to ignore amoonguss

[reef bough]

no electro shot stab?

[ripe turret]

you don’t have haze on your team though

[reef bough]

Wait is amoonguss affected by rage powder

[reef bough]

What pokemon in my team learns it

[ripe turret]

electric is mostly on offensive power herb sets

[reef bough]

Rain

[ripe turret]

no, grass types are immune to powder moves

[ripe turret]

idt you want haze with arch anyway because then you’re getting rid of your def boosts

[reef bough]

Oh true

[ripe turret]

so like yeah dpulse is just better

[reef bough]

bye draco meteor

[reef bough]

Does that mean

[ripe turret]

pollen puff over sludge bomb on amoong

your team likes its survivability

[reef bough]

Archa doesnt get affected by rage powder even if it doesnt have stalwart

[ripe turret]

yeah if it teras

to grass

[reef bough]

Oh great

[ripe turret]

btw perish kinda needs protect on every mon

so you could actually consider pherb arch

otherwise it’s a little awkward to stall with it

you also have no pivoting moves or abilities

[reef bough]

Yeah thats my problem

[ripe turret]

so if goth becomes endangered you’re kinda cooked

[reef bough]

how about safety goggles tera elec?

[ripe turret]

try incin over whims and ebutton amoong

[ripe turret]

if you really dislike redirection you can try stalwart with power herb tera electric

also gets around follow me

[reef bough]

Oh I saw wolfey do that in a tourn

Right

[ripe turret]

(this is lowkey just turning more and more into the wolfe team)

[reef bough]

But if I remove whimsi i dont have speed control

[reef bough]

Lol

[ripe turret]

I would suggest running TR over taunt on goth then

[reef bough]

I have no slow mon besides the mushroom

[ripe turret]

well

that's kinda false

politoed is slow

incin is slow

[reef bough]

Gholdengo is on a pretty awkward speed stat

[ripe turret]

goth is slow

[reef bough]

Oh true

[ripe turret]

gholdengo and arch yeah

but just try not to get them in during TR

[reef bough]

Omg

AMOONGUSS BULLET SEED

🤡

[ripe turret]

what

[reef bough]

lmao

for stamina

Aaaa

Does incin learn a multi hit move

Fury swipes

[ripe turret]

none that are viable

definitely do not do fury swipes lmao

it kinda needs all of its moveslots

[reef bough]

even protect?

[vagrant orchid]

Ah ok

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/43189bc99ce568e7
How's this team

[ripe turret]

yeah, it's a perish team

[white imp]

https://pokepast.es/c1f422ae698af1f3

pls lmk if I can improve on this Reg H

its build around dragonite extreme speed

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/cef932a395fbc303
Try something more like this

[white imp]

im adament on keeping dragonite the way it is, extreme speed tera normal is mad op

[vagrant orchid]

Is there an alternative to a iron bundle paired with Miradon

[pearl valley]

gravity csr

[pearl valley]

type overlaps

and they have bad synergy

[safe imp]

terrain overrides miraidon, spore gets a free hit

tera exists

amoonguss is supportive and rilla provides only support with fake out

[pearl valley]

tera is used a defesnive tool not because your mons have bad synergy

[safe imp]

For the rest its a offensive grass type

[safe imp]

It can be used in both ways

[pearl valley]

incin is a better fake out mon on amoonguss teams

[safe imp]

the synergy isnt terrible

[safe imp]

True but grassy terrain overriding electric for a free spore is worth it imo

Also heals very nicely

[pearl valley]

like 1/16…

[safe imp]

pair that with something lefties+leech seed

like cir maybe

apart from lefties

[pearl valley]

Who tf runs leech seed on amonguss

[safe imp]

I was saying other mon

that fit together with guss

[pearl valley]

you said healing

[safe imp]

wat

[safe imp]

yeah the leech seed+ terrain

heal

is pretty good

another reason to use them on the same team is to counter other terrain for psyspam and get a cheeky spore off

[pearl valley]

the problem is having rillaboom and amoonguss both on the field means that any supereffective attack against rillaboom amoonguss will have to take

[safe imp]

when u tera guss ofc

[safe imp]

mostly in this scenario you just u turn pivot

for rilla

[pearl valley]

what if it’s chi yu

[safe imp]

what ur doing rn is viewing all scenarios possible

With your logic i could say I use koraidon to tank then

[pearl valley]

rage powder is to redirect a supereffective hit

or a bad status move

[safe imp]

so

?

that’s exactly why you run moonguss and why multi targets are meta

[pearl valley]

with rillaboom on the field then amoonguss will have to take that hit

[safe imp]

Again

[pearl valley]

which will be super effective against amoonguss…

[safe imp]

Tera is the reason why both are rising in this meta

[safe imp]

u could also just protect

wawa

[pearl valley]

dumbass the best rillaboom set is assault vest

[safe imp]

I mean moonguss

💔

ur really not on a mood of understanding right now

[pearl valley]

and the posters team just kind of isn’t really that good

[safe imp]

one sec lms

oh wow i know what you mean

[pearl valley]

I feel like they wanted to use darkrai and csr, then searched up “best vgc reg j non restricted pokemon” and slapped whatever the hell the search results were

[safe imp]

I first thought of gravity csr with darkai dark void lmao

just saw its a spatker

But that doesn’t really define ur opinion on rilla and moonguss dont fit together

[pearl valley]

Outside of dark void darkrai’s stats just kind of suck to use a restricted slot on

[safe imp]

on some opinions they do on some opinions they dont

Depends on the team really

[pearl valley]

on this team

[safe imp]

😭

I mean uh

I guess just use another restricted

[pearl valley]

chi yu over incineroar and replace the darkrai with something like arceus or zamazenta

chi yu because beads of ruin

[safe imp]

I feel like that team is very wolfe glick inspired

u can use zamazenta in this scenario

im sorry but whats tera poison for on rilla 😭

tera fire would be good there

[fiery pasture]

https://pokepast.es/7924fbad7b132275 need some advice and feedback pls, like if there are any mons which need changing or sets etc

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ripe turret]

holy hell

what in the world went down over here

also just because amoonguss and rillaboom share type weaknesses doesn’t mean that they don’t fit on the same team

1. they provide different things to a team, rillaboom is a fast pivot disruptor that resets terrain and deals good damage, while amoonguss is a spore+rage powder bot that can also heal its teammates

2. why would you ever have rilla and amoonguss out on the field at the same time unless you’re literally forced into it, and against a chi-yu no less

[ripe turret]

tera poison is more of a reg h thing

cough sneasler cough

btw changing the subject in the middle of a conversation you’re clearly wrong in is kinda a scummy thing to do

[safe imp]

sob

[ocean estuary]

https://pokepast.es/5b48e906ff8851f5 Been working on a team for Reg H.

https://pokepast.es/abe944c875c3faec I have two versions and not sure which one I should pursue further. Any adivce would be so helpful!

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f33d446ecca0c177
I'm trying to make a team with garganacl

Any notes?

[pearl valley]

hisuian typholsion is better than regular typhlosion

better typing and sp. atk and you can make up for the speed difference with a choice scarf

primarina will be nerfed by the sun, so swapping it out for something else is what i suggest you consider

[pearl valley]

this is a good sand team, but corviknight is a better tailwind setter than whimsicott because it doesn’t take damage from sand and immunity to excadrill’s earthquakes

also tera bug on incineroar is useless aside from the fighting resistance which tera ghost already does and you already have safety goggles on it

[ocean estuary]

Yeah that’s what I keep seeing people say but I like the flash fire ability and Gholdengo

[ocean estuary]

Interesting, I didn’t really think about that. Wouldn’t any water type be nerfed by the sun though? What would be a better replacement that doesn’t take as much a drop from the sun as far as water ypes

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/15d86b9c321d0a77
was wondering if i should change something for a more supportive mon

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pearl valley]

flash fire when you’re a fire type doesn’t really help you out all that much

i’d say a redirector could be helpful here

instead of a water type

because both typhlosions get either low or ohko’d by sucker punch from kingambit

if you replace primarina, there’s another really good special attacker

ursaluna bloodmoon

nvm this sucks

and also whimsicott is a better tailwind and sun setter

[ocean estuary]

Are you saying it’s more worth it to take the not very effective fire attack than use an ability to negate it?

[pearl valley]

yeah, unless if you’re using tera grass, but regular typhlosion just doesn’t have the offense

[ocean estuary]

If I add a redirector instead of Primarina, would I need another SP attacker on top of Gholdengo and Typhlosion?

[pearl valley]

just barely not enpugh

[ocean estuary]

Gotcha

[pearl valley]

ursaluna bloodmoon

[ocean estuary]

It wouldn’t be overkill on SP attack?

[pearl valley]

you got both dragonite and rillaboom

[pearl valley]

also hisuian typhlosion doesn’t have quite enough offense either, but blaze helps with that

[ocean estuary]

Yeah I guess either way you’re going to have 3 of one type of attacker

[pearl valley]

so basically:

whimsicott

typhlosion-h

rillaboom

ursaluna bloodmoon

a redirector

dragonite

[pearl valley]

if you get rid of rillaboom, you could slot indeedee-f on as the redirector

[ripe turret]

I think amoonguss is fine here, but you would need to replace a grass type

indeedee is also nice for TR

[pearl valley]

only problem is it cancelles dragonite’s extreme speed

[ripe turret]

yeah

you could also run farigiraf

if you want to block sucker

unironically I think throat spray farigiraf is pretty good here

[pearl valley]

farigiraf hasn’t been particularly that good in reg h

[ripe turret]

but take that with a grain of salt

[pearl valley]

it’s okay but

[ripe turret]

mostly the problem is that other redirectors are kinda awkward here

unless you want to change the team up

[pearl valley]

indeedee-f is a great partner to typhlosion, the only problem is dragonite