VGC Rates

[sleek laurel]

But tldr @viscid notch consider Chi-Yu and Bolt both, and Amoonguss or Bonnet both work but I like Amoong better due to the HardRoom MU

Being slower than CIR Ursa Hands is really helpful

[viscid notch]

Yeah, I tested amoong out

And faced hardroom

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[viscid notch]

And it paid off immensly

[sleek laurel]

Glad to hear that

[drowsy folio]

some of my ideas do work

good to hear

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[drowsy folio]

one weird thing running around in SWSH was iron ball ammoungus

[viscid notch]

Tested both versions, and they both work well

Bolts priority is really nice if i mess up TR, while chi yus ability to snarl spam to break sashes and help against terapagos is nice

Thank you both of you

[drowsy folio]

wlcm

[sleek laurel]

Np and welcome!

[drowsy folio]

just help me for RU someday

when i start playing it

[viscid notch]

okay

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/d4baa1fb7f125bf8
Is there anything that could be better here

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[sleek laurel]

The Magearna set is awkward, and Maushold is really not viable as a redirector atm (Amoonguss or an Ogerpon forme are both just far better), but it looks nice in general

But the Magearna set needs a total overhaul, and it probably can't afford AV because you really want it to have Trick Room of its own

(Also Stored Power is far too cheesy to be worth it, and by the time it's worth it you're killing everything anyeay)

I would probs run Goggles Mage with TR / Dazzling or Fleur / Protect / Flash, and either Ogerpon-C or Amoonguss over Maushold

[narrow dock]

Should I replace ursa with gallade?

[sleek laurel]

Cornerstone probs better than Hearthflame here because there's little you want to redirect Wisp away from

[sleek laurel]

Uh

No, not really

Especially if you're running TR Mage, you probably want the extra offense

[sleek laurel]

Oh yea, and you prolly want 0 Speed Ursaluna due to the lack of a fast mode on this team

Probably just use the SmogDex Spread in that case (140 HP / 252+ Atk / 44 Def / 68 SpD (0 Speed Brave))

https://pokepast.es/b20b4282d86b8430

Try this and ball away 👍

Sorry had to get the delivery lmao

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/c0d40853f404dc91
How about this

[sleek laurel]

can also work

just make sure you're actually getting value out of Calm Mind on Magearna

oh and deffo rage fist on ape (or sclaw for csr if you want it)

but you need a ghost type move, be it over fighting-type coverage or over U-turn

[heavy bay]

https://pokepast.es/a308dc969ee936a8

need help making a secondary gameplan besides getting up tr for this team seems to stuggle against incineroar and terapagos

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/391df82513433ac0what should I change

[heavy bay]

404 not found :(

[heavy bay]

the link dont work

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/391df82513433ac0

[jovial creek]

go sash peli

ursaluna kinda doesn't fit there

you don't really have the speed control for it

[cinder glacier]

What should I replace Ursalina with

[jovial creek]

amoonguss?

more redirect, healing with pollen puff and pairs well with rain

[grizzled nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/9f02d256044d7d1e reg j team

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[sleek laurel]

Probably try Trick Room on Magearna > one of the Fairy-type moves (preferably Fleur), and if you're using Scarf Miraidon, Snarl is just better than Dazzling Gleam

Even moreso with a Magearna, you have Fairy-type offense already

It also lets you run Tera Electric to make up for not having Specs

Also, I think you forgot to give Miraidon a nature lol

[grizzled nacelle]

oops i thought it was modest

this whole time lmao

[sleek laurel]

Serious Miraidon is the new meta trust

(Happens to all of us LMAO)

As for the Magearna, just TR > one of the Fairy-type moves is all you need I think

Item's fine because you have Miraidon anyway so Goggles unneeded

And ig you can tweak out EV spreads

[grizzled nacelle]

idk what magearna spreads are even meant to look like so i just gave it max hp and spatk because ik it has solid defenses already

[sleek laurel]

One that I kinda like is

[grizzled nacelle]

it kinda plays like a special zamazenta in my eyes (even though typing wise its closer to zacian)

[sleek laurel]

Max HP, 76+ SpA to hit the nature bump (156+ if you want more offense), 4 SpD, 20 Speed to beat standard AV Incineroar (this is creep tho so its adjustable), rest in Def

Def invest also helps you take on Calyrex-I

[grizzled nacelle]

ill try it

[sleek laurel]

Glgl

[grizzled nacelle]

currently does like 50 to cir at neutral

[sleek laurel]

Somewhat yes

[sleek laurel]

If you keep Fleur Cannon, yea

You can also, technically

Drop Protect for Trick Room

If you want the burst

[grizzled nacelle]

with flash cannon

[sleek laurel]

Oh

You meant neutral as in

LMAO

Im slow

[grizzled nacelle]

yh stats

[sleek laurel]

Ok yea thats fair

[grizzled nacelle]

boosts

[sleek laurel]

I really gotta learn to not rush RMTs at 7 20 in the morning

But long story short that should work

[grizzled nacelle]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

Oh and btw

You can try Tera Water on Magearna

Because it gives you a Koraidon resistance and a good Calyrex-I matchup

[grizzled nacelle]

i was considering it yeah but its still neutral to ground

and i feel like ursaluna is very bad for me

[sleek laurel]

Its kind of a worry yea

[grizzled nacelle]

only ogerpon resists ground

[sleek laurel]

Ig both can work

[grizzled nacelle]

alright thanks man

[sleek laurel]

In that case I particularly recommend the bulkier Magearna

And np

Pretty good team alright

[grizzled nacelle]

is it bad

to do 36 def 44 spdef

just so spdef is above def

[sleek laurel]

What'd that be needed for?

Not necessarily bad no

But if it's just for Download then theres

Zero reason to commit to it

[grizzled nacelle]

youre right

alr thanks

[sleek laurel]

Np

[grizzled nacelle]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2415703467 well it works

[narrow pilot]

Can someone give me feedback on my team?https://pokepast.es/97b7fc7eb741bdd6

[hollow scroll]

I wouldn't use Tera Normal Tera blast on CSR

[narrow pilot]

Why

What should i change it to

[hollow scroll]

Personally I'd take Nasty Plot to boost damage

Or if you want a niche pick, Gravity

[narrow pilot]

aight

ok

[hollow scroll]

Boost accuracy on P Blades

I'm sure someone far better than me can look through the whole team. 😅

[narrow pilot]

ok

[void jungle]

https://pokepast.es/f3347e43eefced14

[narrow pilot]

i faced this team but without the arceus earlier today

[void jungle]

LMAO

Who instead of Arc?

Terapagos?

[narrow pilot]

yes

[void jungle]

What is the point of using Valiant without a physical attacker?

It's niche is fast coaching

[tribal void]

That’s not it’s only niche

It’s got some decent utility moves like spirit break, wide guard, encore

[granite plinth]

How to make this team better against trick room?
https://pokepast.es/4f859aca7356f785

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[boreal vine]

https://pokepast.es/8ad38b1a627ba596
I’ve been using this team to relative Success.

Miraidon is great here, i don’t have any complains about it.
Arceus-Fairy is rarely used in battle, And i’d prefer some advice on it. It does its job relatively well but i need a better Fairy type. Im thinking of Specs FMane.
Iron Bundle is amazing. It’s been in almost every battle, helping The Miraidon mirror-match when I don’t want to gamble a Speedtie.
Incineroar is incineroar.
Sneasler Helps against teams that abuse Tailwind, also gives coverage against Opposing FMane’s that threaten my Miraidon. It just relies ON miraidon too much.
Rhydon is insanely bulky and provides solid support against Trick room teams, rarely seen battle, similar to Arceus-Fairy. Yet, it shines when i give it the chance.

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[void jungle]

Yeah but you have other mons that can do that
Coaching + all else you mentioned + speed is its niche

[boreal vine]

This team looks like one big Zama-Shadow victim

Icl

[broken shuttle]

taunt pao>sacred

should cteam trick room

if they don't have priority block just lead arc + kyo and spam water spout while you set it up and spam espeed

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/a05663da48c0c3ee reg h, any idea for a sixth?

[median hull]

https://pokepast.es/ea867afb738543d0 Reg J. I bult the team around darkrai because i find the idea of dark void absolutely hysterical but ive struggled to make it work. I get people asleep but i cant do any damage once theyre immobilzed. Im worried i dont have enough coverage, have not optimized my movesets/EVs/Tera types properly, and maybe even just chosen mons that are too weak for the format. Im real new to teambuilding from scratch so any thoughts would be appreciated :]

[void jungle]

Volcarona + Grimm doesn't help?

[broken shuttle]

yeah this is fine

just go struggle bug volc

over giga

that lets u actually beat csr zama

tera fire flare blitz is also p bad on arc

i would go shadow claw and like

either offensive tera normal or defensive tera fairy

[void jungle]

This lets it do something to Zama

[broken shuttle]

meh

[void jungle]

EQ is the only other option

[broken shuttle]

just use your partners for that

[void jungle]

Idt it learns CC

[broken shuttle]

realistically

if you go tera fairy you can just ignore zama

[void jungle]

Plus CC means CSR walls it

[broken shuttle]

with like heavy slam it's really not doing enough to you

• coaching and encore

• your own miraidon

[void jungle]

Also its a QD Volc set
Struggle Bug works in that?

[broken shuttle]

yes

it's very common

but yeah tera fire flare blitz is p troll, just run tera fairy w. shadow claw & use miraidon to break zama

also make your pao sacred sword for the extra hit on zama

[void jungle]

Sacred over what?

Crunch?

Sucker?

[broken shuttle]

crunch

[void jungle]

Cool

Yeah Pao can then pressure both Caly-S and Zama

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[void jungle]

Btw since Volc won't run Giga Drain anymore

Is Tera Grass still needed?

Or is Tera Dragon better?

[broken shuttle]

either work

you can also consider water to retain the calyrex-ice resistence

[void jungle]

True
Caly-I + Urshifu-R check in 1 Tera

Although adds Mirai weakness

But Mirai can be managed with Arc, Valiant, Grimm, pre-Tera Volc

[broken shuttle]

yeah exactly

[void jungle]

Yeah, Water it is then

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/3045e7dba9acef30
How's this team

[ripe turret]

looks pretty good overall apart from a few things, namely the movesets on mag, ape, and bm

I think that trick room is absolutely necessary on mag, so swap out calm mind with that

and eweb doesn't really provide any value here, you can go tera blast to hit fire types or fleur cannon to have a big burst option

protect over moonblast would probably be a prudent choice on ursa as most of the time you're not gonna need the coverage, blood moon is enough of a nuke as it is that it outdamages super effective moonblast

and I would run close combat over coaching on ape, you're usually using it as a final gambit bot so it might not matter that much, but having a strong fighting type move that you can click without killing yourself is nice

also shadow claw over rage fist is probably better as the raw increase in base power will outweigh the passive benefit most of the time, since you're either moving first due to scarf or just dying

but that doesn't really matter as much imo

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/8b52e75a0a0a3cb4
How about this

[spare plume]

https://pokepast.es/6b46717e3c831e74

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[boreal vine]

You’ll really need to QD before Shadow gets out of control, grimmsnarl is good in the match-up but can only set up one screen at a time. Making it a victim to both Shadow and Zam being out at the same time.

[potent sail]

https://pokepast.es/126363bc9adb3a6b

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[granite plinth]

Damp rock is kinda bad, you should be using Mystic Water instead

[potent sail]

I actually dont know why I have damp rock I thought I had mystic water on it

[ripe turret]

I think life orb is probably better on mag

but other than that yeah it’s good

[potent sail]

different team that might be better than what I previously made
https://pokepast.es/c9b7cd8a0f5c77ac

[grizzled nacelle]

would you consider dropping landorus or ursh-rs

[granite plinth]

I'd rather drop ursh than land

[grizzled nacelle]

id say just put a trick room sweeper in that slot

hmmm

i wanna say kingambit for some reason but its pretty off course

anyway reg I https://pokepast.es/fc3e5d908122e53d wanna make hippowdon great again, works but struggles against lando I most of the time and opposing weather with multiple setters

also idk if i want covert cloak primarina even though its been clutch in the past by avoiding drops and stuff

[robust pilot]

https://pokepast.es/6a24647018c84ad2 can someone give me tips in my team

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[jovial creek]

Go shadow Claw on arceus

The format is very new but the rest should be solid

[robust pilot]

Kk

[covert bone]

can someone help me with my team https://pokepast.es/0d3a50676c23bb2f

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[covert bone]

anyone ?

[random wagon]

your sets are unviable and some pokemon have some overlap

close combat zama sucks, wide guard is almost mandatory on it. Iron defense also isnt very good, consider trying behemoth bash / heavy slam instead

also set tera to one of dragon or grass

or water for that matter

also reference the smogdex page for zama in vgc for more optimal evs

incineroat should have something like tera bug, water, ghost, or grass

rocky helmet and safety goggles also tend to be better, but if sitrus berry works for you thats fine (what do the evs do btw?)

sash whims should pretty much always run tera ghost to avoid fake out

grassy glide also sucks on a special attacker, try encore

there is also really no reason to invest in bulk on sash whims, especially if it is at the cost of losing speed ties

imo flutter mane could go

a mystic water or scarf urshifu-r could work nicely (reference smogdex for a set)

I personally dont think specs csr is that good (unless it is like eforce; regardless, your team isnt suited for it)

a life orb set will be more beneficial here, DKiss sucks (not enough damage), and tera blast is niche at best, running protect and one of nasty plot / disable / pollen puff over both draining kiss and tera blast should work out

giving up protect for set up isnt optimal either, spiky shield over sd on hearthflame

if you find sd is winning you games then you might be able to drop wood hammer instead

also, the reason flutter should be removed is bc it overlaps with csr

[covert bone]

okay ty

also im new to pvp

[covert bone]

so idk evs

[covert bone]

what should i replace flutter for ?

[covert bone]

also flutter mane has won me ever game ive won so should i change out the horse and to what

is this better https://pokepast.es/08b29dc644efeb0e

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[void jungle]

Is Tera Ghost better on Arc?
Even better vs Zama, boosts Shadow Claw power, immune to fake out

[broken shuttle]

you can try it

issue is with tera ghost u lose to csr

[void jungle]

Certainly

Fairy then

[heavy bay]

https://pokepast.es/e80ab115e08e2274

this team is serving me really well but im afraid emboar might be a wasted slot does anyone have suggestions for a replacement

[boreal vine]

Power gem..?

[heavy bay]

100 percent accurate move also for incineroar when he switches in 1 4times and kills my attack stat

[spare plume]

https://pokepast.es/ad7c6787a5a553ab any areas of improvement

[covert bone]

https://pokepast.es/16dd18d6ad136b2b what uber should i replace and with who ?

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[pearl valley]

choice band protect angers me

oh yeah calyrex ice is a physical attacker

this is one of the most messy teams i’ve ever seen

dude wtf hisuian electrode?

[heavy bay]

i put protect on there because i don’t know what else to put but hisuian electrode has been a great taunt user

[pearl valley]

• landorus or flutter mane is a better special attacker than bloodmoon ursa

oh did you know you can use 2 restricteds

One question here: what tier or rating are you at

[heavy bay]

i just started so probably not very high i’ll check in a second

[pearl valley]

sorry if i sound rude

[heavy bay]

I wouldn’t post this team if I wasn’t able to accept criticism

[pearl valley]

You know your rating right

[pearl valley]

okay so

if you wanna use emboar

use a pokemon that sets up sun (groudon, koraidon)

And another problem here is you’re running 252 EVs timid nature on a pokemon that has a low base speed, thus making it benefit more from trick room

[heavy bay]

dont I want it to benefit more from trick room

[pearl valley]

yeah thats why you shouldn’t run 252 ev speed timid nature

oh yeah this team is cooked against koraidon

so a pokemon like flutter mane or landorus if it tera fires could help against it

[heavy bay]

now whats hard is decinding wether I want this flutter mane being fast or slow because in a mirror match I would want to be faster or if I didnt get to set up trick room

or should I just hope I have trick room set up

[median hull]

https://pokepast.es/ea867afb738543d0 Hows this team for reg J

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[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/624c2fef5e3e82fd

(reg H)

Idk if it just me not being familiar with the reg H meta yet but something feels off about my team. It feels like everything defensively checks my garchomp, king and hydrigen. Is there anything wrong with my team

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[jovial creek]

I think this team is too all over the place

a lot of the pieces are good individually but I'm not sure if they really work together

[boreal vine]

Hows this?

[random wagon]

life orb miraidon sucks and i know this from experience. The sacrifice of power that choice specs gives you for protect most times just isnt worth it

if you’d like a way to avoid fake out, consider farigiraf as a replacement to something like rhydon (which ill touch on later)

sneasler is niche on best, really only good on mirai+cir/csr comps

i think since this format has just started, consistency will be better. This means dropping sneasler for someting like urshifu-r or iron hands

[boreal vine]

Yeah.

i can see that.

But it also helps in the Fmane match-up.

[random wagon]

if you want to utilize arceus-fairy offensively, a calm mind set would work best. Sludge Bomb makes no sense so probably drop that, and use Tera Water for the Koraidon and Calyrex-I matchups

[boreal vine]

alr

[random wagon]

incineroar does get knock off this gen so run that over throat chop

[boreal vine]

I use throat chop in case of any 0 speed-invested incineroar parting shots.

[random wagon]

iron bundle is also very niche, whimsicott is far more reliable of speed control in almost all scenarioes while also having good utility in encore and light screen

[random wagon]

this is a rare occurrence, knock off is far better in almost every scenario

[boreal vine]

alr

[random wagon]

Finally, dropping rhydon for farigiraf is good to help stop opposing trick room while also blocking fake out for your now choice specs miraidon to safely nuke things

[boreal vine]

K

Ty!

[random wagon]

np

[boreal vine]

I’ll tell you how the new version turns out, but im keeping a save of the old one if i don’t find the new one fitting.

https://pokepast.es/bfe295424224bbdb
here is what i got.

I honestly don’t feel happy with Fari being faster than CIR

[spare plume]

https://pokepast.es/6274a02ffa3ce7ff any improvements for this reg J team?

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[covert bone]

what should i replace or ad my team for dbble ubers https://pokepast.es/48a932535f911e78

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[pearl valley]

wtf

what i meant to say is

this is for vgc not doubles ubers

[pearl valley]

tera fire is bad on miraidon cuz you’re still weak to ground

• half of your team is dead at all against ground types

[boreal vine]

That’s why i want Iron Bundle-

But i replaced it for Whimsi cuz sm1 told me to

[pearl valley]

you know urshifu rapid exists

[boreal vine]

i refuse to use the abuse-bear.

Also like the team i sent is in wip on SV.

[pearl valley]

well then you’re going to get swept by landorus incarnate or groudon

[boreal vine]

Groudon.

The 7.1% guy?

Also i can just run IBundle over Whimsi again

[pearl valley]

7.1% is decent

And also Landorus

[pearl valley]

are you using pikalytics by chance

[boreal vine]

Yeah

Is it inaccurate?

[pearl valley]

You’re using showdown data for VGC

The reg isn’t even out yet

consider chien-pao

and also dazzling gleam tera fairy miraidon

[prisma olive]

https://pokepast.es/7ded98ed1abd7ef6

what do you guys think of this reg j team? havent done the evs yet, i wanted to do a check before doing the evs

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[jovial creek]

don't run swampert

for darkrai counterplay I'd recommend a scarf annihilape over pert

and then make farig a normal set

[prisma olive]

alright noted

[random wagon]

you disregarded almost everything i said -_-

please reread my inital remarks

and adjust accordingly

[boreal vine]

I reread it and genuinely didn’t see anything different-

Life orb to choice specs
Sludge bomb to calm mind
Bundle icy wind to whimsi tailwind
Rhydon to fari
Throat chop to knock

I didn’t change sneasler as i tried hands and it did not work out for the team.

Well, at least for me.

[old sphinx]

Hey, i wanna submit a gimmick team that maybe some professional can turn into a real working strategy.

I saw some guy on YT mentioning Imprison+Transform Mew; he also recommended Gothitelle for Shadow Tag to force struggle(-ghost types etc.).
My favorite pokemon is Gengar so every time I bring Gothitelle you know he's coming.
So now it's half struggleforce and half perish trap, I brought indeedee for psychic terrain to prevent disrupting my setup + misdirection. Then I just couldn't think of other fits for the strategy so I just looked for a physical attacker in SD+ES Arceus and Wall Breaker in Urshifu.

I just had a game where i managed to perish opponents first 2 pokemon and I had mew gengar in the back, swapped in gengar in trick room, next to mew, i got cursed body proc on miraidon and went first with encore(struggle force) and then executed the mew imprison+transform strat on incineroar and won after he struggled himself to death.

But it has come to my attention that it's not legal in Reg J. Idk why yet since I'm quite new to this.(help appreciated greatly)

This might be off-topic or wrong chat.
Feel free to correct me and point me in the correct direction.

Just felt like sharing ^^

https://pokepast.es/080eae837d33d841

[dull siren]

nice team change off arceus into something better

[void jungle]

I get the /s

[ripe turret]

this is quite an interesting strategy, but, as you said, it's also very gimmicky. there are certainly a few optimizations that can be made, though.

first of all, your team has an incredible weakness to dark types. you have 4(!) mons that can't do anything to incineroar along with a very intimidate-able arceus, which is very very bad. also, your movesets/EVs are kinda jank.

with that said, the very first thing I would suggest doing is swapping out gengar for scream tail - it's just a better perish setter in every way as it's faster (with a booster energy), bulkier, and has better disruptive tools along with not being weak to dark types. I understand the logic behind cursed body, but scream tail with disable does the same thing without needing to gamble on a 33% chance, making it basically gengar but better.

second, you need to get rid of indeedee. while I do understand why you have it there, it just compounds your type weaknesses and doesn't really provide much value outside of letting you spam eforce/redirection, and it even actively hinders your team by blocking arceus' espeed and other priority moves. I'm thinking that maybe just something like AV incineroar could be decent here, it provides you with a second fake out to help urshifu and arceus get into position while also being a staple on perish teams and having a very good matchup into calyrex-s which half of your team is (very notably) weak to.

third of all, a lot of your sets and EVs need fixing. the most glaring ones are clam>lorb on arceus (helps with incin and the added survivability is nice), lefties>cloak on goth (the recovery is essential), some other item on mew, protect>reflect and taunt>light screen on gothitelle (the former is really important for stalling out perish turns and absolutely necessary and the latter helps with TR teams), and psychic>eforce (no indeedee) and earth power>heat wave on mew (heat wave does like no damage and also earth power can actually do something to incin)

and also the EVs but I ran out of characters

I think you can probably optimize them a little more

specifically bandshifu appreciates some bulk

and there's also probably some other stuff that I missed

[dull siren]

wow

man i look look like an insect in front of you guys

hows this reg j team i made

https://pokepast.es/b4619f1341fe371b

it is an magerna team

[void jungle]

Not sure why Groudon is there over Caly-I

[dull siren]

please can you tell me some updates

[prisma olive]

dang a lot of people using magearna in reg j, understandable why tho

[void jungle]

They want to use Mythicals that aren't Arceus

Since its established that Arceus is the only mythical that can be a staple

Arceus >>>>>>>>>> Magearna > Darkrai > Mew

Idt any other mythical is worth a restricted slot

Even Darkrai and Mew are gimmicky

Magearna atleast has a real niche in setting Trick Room and it stands out from other setters in that is the best special attacker that likes to set it

Before that who was the best special breaker TR setter? Lunana?

Yeah Lunana is tough competitiom, but Magearna has Soul Heart + better defensive typing + better movepool to stand out

[prisma olive]

that is true, even with mythicals being legal again, most of them seems to be consistently outperformed by the existing restricteds

its mostly one of two reasons imo, one is too much wasted stats, and the 2nd is theres a strictly better counterpart

• arceus counterplays are inevitable, so people probably wanna avoid using arceus entirely to not have their restricted being very linited

[void jungle]

Arceus is very tough to counter

Since it can decide which type it wants

And has a massive movepool

[dull siren]

how to use arceus though

i am not at all sure

atleast i know what do with magerna somewhat

[prisma olive]

i can see most sets running lorb e speed, tho ofc the very wide movepool allows a lot of variations

[void jungle]

SD, Espeed, Protect, filler (Shadow Claw is the best imo for Lunala, Caly-S - basically ghosts who are immune to Espeed)
Clear Amulet
Tera Fairy or Ghost

[void jungle]

L Orb is strictly worse than Clear Amulet

[prisma olive]

oh yeah clear amulet

[void jungle]

With so much incin around

[prisma olive]

thats true

[void jungle]

Tbh you can even get away with no protect on EKiller Arceus
Since its so bulky

[dull siren]

i am just asking how to use arceus

[prisma olive]

basically the same way you use dragonite, well for the most part

[void jungle]

And has only 1 weakness

[void jungle]

SD and Espeed

[dull siren]

why not use the plates

and use judgement

[void jungle]

No ESpeed STAB

Tbh tho

[prisma olive]

that and it cant hold clear amulet

[void jungle]

People are talking about Blizzard Arceus-Ice

[prisma olive]

if its holding the plates

[dull siren]

arceus is only used for extreeme speed

[prisma olive]

now youre getting it

[dull siren]

anyone has like an arceus teams

[prisma olive]

not so hard eh

[prisma olive]

sounds interesting icl

[dull siren]

are the other restricteds better or arcues is better

[void jungle]

I have seen some Cosmic Power + Stored Power + Body Press sets

[dull siren]

don't they dominate

arceus

[prisma olive]

havent made one yet, magearna was the first have caught my eye

[dull siren]

well i made that team

got 1500

[prisma olive]

oo i see

[dull siren]

and then problmes came

and now i am in 1300

more and more people are improving

after like some time sample teams will come out

[prisma olive]

arceus is definitely pretty strong, but im not exactly interested in it

[dull siren]

me too

what about deoxys

[void jungle]

I have EKiller + Mirai Bulky Offense

[dull siren]

attack

can you share that team

[void jungle]

Just use Ice Rider

[prisma olive]

oo

[dull siren]

did you make it

[void jungle]

I made it
But can't share it now

[dull siren]

deoxys attack superpower psycho boost

ok

[void jungle]

Let me reach 1500

Then I'll share

[dull siren]

until then why

[void jungle]

I don't wanna share mid teams

[dull siren]

no prolbem you can share it

anway i am bored

[void jungle]

Tbh

[dull siren]

what

[void jungle]

Wait
I asked someone for a rate here

It's already here

Ok

I'll share

[dull siren]

what did they say

[void jungle]

@dull siren

[dull siren]

wow

what a diverse team

what aobut iron valiant

support iron valiant

wow you guys are smart me with 0 iq

[void jungle]

Coaching for Arceus

Coaching + SD in same turn means Arc has 2.5x attack and 1.5 P Def

Valiant also has spirit break to reduce opps SpA

[dull siren]

yeah understood

[void jungle]

Encore to lock them into passive moves and let Arc set up more freely

[dull siren]

how to counter trick room

[void jungle]

Grimm + Volc

[dull siren]

oh yeah

thanks

[void jungle]

Volc has great matchup vs Trick Room staples like Caly-I, Magearna

Grimm sets screens

[dull siren]

let me use it and i will let you know the result

yeah

[void jungle]

Arc has E Speed

[dull siren]

grim

yeah

miradion choice specs

chen pao for damage

[void jungle]

Tbh Ursaluna + Farigiraf can be a bit annoying

[dull siren]

what does throat chop do

[void jungle]

But that was just 1 team

[dull siren]

just use volcorona against ursaluna

tera grass

let me test it and i will come back

thanks for your help though

[void jungle]

Hey

I made some changes to it

[dull siren]

yes

what

[void jungle]

Volc is Tera Water

[dull siren]

and

[void jungle]

And has Struggle Bug over Giga

Helps vs Caly-S

And TR too

[dull siren]

ok

what is giga

[void jungle]

Giga Drain

[dull siren]

i just cooked a guy

won a match in one turn

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regj-2417682679

simple

[void jungle]

who uses Arc-Fight when Zama-C exists?

[prisma olive]

idek

blizzard arceus-ice with power herb meteor beam sounds nice

[random wagon]

did you try shifu?

[boreal vine]

Not yet, i’ll try it soon cuz i gtg in a bit

[prisma olive]

oo wait nvm no stab

[dull siren]

don't know

https://pokepast.es/34c836125fb0c146

hows this cooked team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dull siren]

this team is half cooked

weird team

[void jungle]

Too many of the same Blizzard Spammers

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s too much Blizzard Spam, you probably want more support mons and other sorts of secondary damage

I’ll get to this shortly

In class for the next 18 mins (ping me afterwards or I might forget)

[covert bone]

can someone rate my team https://pokepast.es/8a83166becb30996

[modest dune]

Too hard on the blizzard spamming, ftr the Arceus Ice team I am running is using the actual Arceus Ice with a defensive tera and Ho-oh is my 2nd legendary (it gets life Dew so it can do some heal support and also counters zamazenta)

I also wouldn't recommend the meteor beam stuff, you won't do enough initial damage on just being Arceus normal (as well as not having the snow boost without tera)

[modest dune]

Only issue I have found mainly is I can't seem to find a Kyogre counter to fit with Arceus Ice yet

Maybe a regular Amoongus

[fickle glade]

I’m very new to this but this is my team,

I am looking for feedback, and a possible replacement for Koradion and Chi Yu bc they js aren’t working for me. Please help lol, thanks

https://pokepast.es/54173800cdc14290

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Tbh, you can’t replace a Restricted and keep the rest of the team as is, especially with the level of dependance of many of your Pokémon on Sun

You can definitely replace a Restricted

But you need to start the teambuilding over if you

Like, 95%+ of the time and definitely in this case

[fickle glade]

Ok thanks. I wanna fully re build bc I just can’t work with the team, it’s just not the one for me

[sleek laurel]

that's fine

do you know what Restricteds you wanna try using?

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/35c1045349ac7648
I think me team is solid but has some kinks I can’t put finger on. Could I get a second opinion?

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/689b7adbc96d7d44
so i made a sylveon specs teams. sylveon, garchomp and bronzong make up the core, garchomp is there to offensively check poisons, steels and fire (the thing sylveon can't hit) and bronzong for speed control and filling out the steel part of the dragon, fairy dragon core

incineroar and talon flame is more support/damage negation/fake out. the have good match ups into the steels and poisons (gholdengo, kingambit, snealser). the reason electibuzz is here is because idk who the final mon should be so he just sits there. the weakness I have is sylveon doesn't feel that bulky, quiver dance Volcarona, Archaludon and Basculegion.

[sturdy pecan]

does anyone have good magearna reg. J teams i can use]

[prisma olive]

i dunno if this is good but you can try this one

https://pokepast.es/4ceb37d9494c0c51

just note that im not finished with the evs, so it kinda looks like mess

also the moves arent finalized

[void jungle]

WaterPon

[dull siren]

i was just doing fun not to make it like a professional made team

too much blizzard spam

magerna is a big problem

[modest dune]

Use a ho oh with Life Dew and CM arceus!

It will squash Magearna and Calyrex Ice if you're careful enough

[sleek laurel]

How do you deal with Tera Fire Leech Seed CIR?

(Genuine question btw, no irony lol)

[magic jetty]

https://pokepast.es/4291fc09b8b40920

Just made this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[magic jetty]

Looking for replacements for Ninetails and Skeledirge

[modest dune]

Well if you can identify one via Incineroar intimidating it (remember it's a CTS meta) you can really just ignore it for a while

While keeping its attack down

And try to keep Arceus health up

[sleek laurel]

Oh fair

[modest dune]

With ho oh

[fluid lintel]

if the player does not infact HAVE a brain it shuts down mirai

[fluid lintel]

I understand the use of gothitelle for trapping/stopping miraidon users on predicted leads but PLEASE use focus sash darkrai alongside it.. lastly if you struggle to find damage with your sets which are special atk oriented USE chi-yu for quick burst damage so you can finish with calyrex-S using life orb
Other than that it's not worth using gravity on gothitelle
and to that extent if you don't like that then you should stop using the team, switch the moveset..
use covert cloak instruct with dark void... or just delete the team and focus on smth like korai or mirai x these new mythicals with partners that counter the meta

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/847e8d213eaf840a okay so Im back again this is my new reg H team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ornate cloak]

CalyZam

https://pokepast.es/0ee4cdb4922a373c

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/c275ce79bd093645

[reef bough]

Basically I wanted to use Pledges as my source of speed control

Ogerpon H - standard set
Rilla - standard
Empoleon - I was contemplating whether itll be primarina but steel water is so good(plus support)
arceus xtreme speed is totally better than rayquaza tera normal extreme speed (plus stab)
Csr - to be the one switching in on arceus weakness
Urshifu to beat csr’s weaknesses

This is a really mid team rn and pledges arent viable but its the surprise that counts

Best believe ill use another core

[sleek laurel]

This is good but also isn’t it just the standard Marco Silva team with Horn Leech on Oger lol

That said it’s still 100% good

[ornate cloak]

Wait it's a Marco Silva team? 😭

Isn't he using CalyZam, Pao, Amoonguss, and Rbolt?

[sleek laurel]

That’s the Marco Silva team from NAIC

[reef bough]

i feel like the only team i built good was cir kyo

[sleek laurel]

With the only difference being the Grass-type move of choice on Oger LOL

[sleek laurel]

I’ll get to ya soon

[sleek laurel]

Grass on Oger* ADHD strike

[ornate cloak]

😭

The only teams i remember from naic are Federico's team, Wolfe's team, and that one dual bike team

And Michael's CalyDon team

[reef bough]

Alright

[sleek laurel]

lol, don’t worry about it

Happens to all of us

[sleek laurel]

Ok lemme see yours

[ornate cloak]

One question tho, would Urshifu-Water be better here over Rbolt?

[sleek laurel]

Both work, it’s a test and see kinda case

[sleek laurel]

Well I mean

[ornate cloak]

Alr

Ty goat

[sleek laurel]

Np goat

[sleek laurel]

You probably just wanna chance the CSR set to Sash

And try Nasty Plot, Encore or Disable over Imprison

Specs Protect I’m going to assume was a misinput

Also try Swords Dance and Shadow Claw on Arceus > Edge and Poison Jab

Rest seems about fine if you discount that well yea pledges are not viable

Also Dark Ursh with Scarf seems a little weird and this team has enough fast mons/prio especially with, well, Swamp LOL

I’d try either Band on it or, preferably, replace it with a Raging Bolt

That said, do note that pledges ain’t gonna be doing it for you, but this is optimization ig

I like that you didn’t use a -Def nature on Rilla btw

lol

[fluid lintel]

what did wolfe bring to naic, I thought he didn't partake in it

[ornate cloak]

Lunala, Koraidon, Incineroar, Flutter Mane, Brute Bonnet, and Ursaluna

[fluid lintel]

😭

[ornate cloak]

He js got eliminated on the first day

Saving the real sauce for worlds

[fluid lintel]

ion see it

but let him go all out!!!

[ornate cloak]

Reg I has no sauce 😭

[fluid lintel]

I made a team that I think might go to worlds

[ornate cloak]

Slide fr

[fluid lintel]

hell nah

[ornate cloak]

I wanna see the potential worlds team c'mon now

[fluid lintel]

one sec

my laptop takes a bit

to get On

@ornate cloak

[ornate cloak]

Ngl this looks interesting

[fluid lintel]

farigiraf ally switch is really interchangable, it could be switched between three alternating moves

[ornate cloak]

Probably yeah

[fluid lintel]

imprison roar and psychic

but uh

imma delete this

[ornate cloak]

Fair enough

[fluid lintel]

anyways what are your predicted worlds teams

or teams that you'd think go right back to the past

tbh im prepared to see a weezing-galar team just sweep through everyone that forgot this format's roots

but uh

after watching japanese nats and comparing them to america's, i THINK jp players are just different, as in built too different in teambuilding

making multiple top 10 teams everytime every second and just providing another metagame for themselves

...

[reef bough]

PEOPLE USE -DEF?????

WHAT

OMG?

JUST USE -SP.ATK??

[sleek laurel]

No but

[reef bough]

Anyway Im kinda proud of myself for only having minor mistakes on team building 😄

[sleek laurel]

Pledge is a special move

Hence why I mentioned lmao

[sleek laurel]

Looo

[reef bough]

only there for the swamp tbh

[sleek laurel]

Yea mistake wise it’s

[reef bough]

i could use another grass pokemon but id lose fake out

[sleek laurel]

Very little things

Just Specs Protect which I assume was a misinput

[reef bough]

yeah i just standardize every pokemon i have with protect

LMAO

[sleek laurel]

The rest is either optimizing or Swamp

[sleek laurel]

LOL

I’ve done that before

[reef bough]

is it weird i put protect on every pokemon before items etc.

[sleek laurel]

I ran Protect Scarf Chi-Yu

Once

[reef bough]

And just change it when i feel like it

[sleek laurel]

And my opponent saw the OTS and corrected me

[reef bough]

outspeeding opponents protect yeah🔥🔥

Automatic win

Time to change em

Thanks stall!!

🫶🏻🫶🏻

last question

Is empoleon a better pledger than primarina

well i mean i guess its bulkier

yeah

[sleek laurel]

Back

Honestly I have

Absolutely ZERO clue

And no problem man gl with the team

[fluid lintel]

mixeed attacker kyurem

[modest dune]

Empoleon's typing makes it significantly more vulnerable to Zamazenta and Koraidon than a Primarina would be, I would do Primarina for that reason

[ornate cloak]

@sleek laurel do you think I can replace FirePon with scarf tera ghost WaterShifu? I'm not bringing Oger that much, + I've got double fake out for support and Shifu makes Volcarona so much more manageable

[sleek laurel]

Yes

I would also try Tera Water if you’re running Scarf

[ornate cloak]

Could

But Tera ghost against Incin leads can be nasty

[sleek laurel]

It depends on whether Fake Out is more annoying than the power boost is worth it

But yea

If it’s CTS I would actually recommend Ghost

[ornate cloak]

Basically what it comes down to

[sleek laurel]

If it’s OTS then Water is probably better to mess up opposing Calyrex-S

[ornate cloak]

Ig tera ghost does have the added benefit of not dying to thunder clap/grassy glide

[sleek laurel]

Ursh takes a Glide anyway

[ornate cloak]

True

[sleek laurel]

And doesn’t do jack against Rilla

[ornate cloak]

Tclap tho

[sleek laurel]

Tclap is a worry tho yea

[ornate cloak]

U-turn chip from 100% hp, trust

[sleek laurel]

True

The thing is Ursh doesn’t do jack vs most Bolt either but it can threaten it’s teammate

[ornate cloak]

Yh

[sleek laurel]

But tclap denies that

[ornate cloak]

Honestly it's kinda situational

[sleek laurel]

While the same goes for Rilla but Glide doesn’t deny that as well

Both ways it’s like

[ornate cloak]

Ghost gives it valuable defensive capabilities, tera water js turns it into an OHKO machine

[sleek laurel]

Water helps for CSR and Ghost helps for stuff with Fake Out

[ornate cloak]

P much

[sleek laurel]

Try both tbh

[ornate cloak]

Yh

For reg J tho i might go with ghost

Cause cts + Espeed immunity is very nice rn

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Tera Ghost Urshifu is genuinely cringe af in CTS

(For the opp I mean LOL)

[ornate cloak]

AuraDawg (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 28 HP / 204 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• U-turn
• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Aqua Jet

This should be fine right?

[ornate cloak]

😭

Especially if it's on a CalyZam team, cause nobody expects tera ghost Shifu on those

[sleek laurel]

Yes

[ornate cloak]

Alr tysm

[sleek laurel]

Np

[old kindle]

https://pokepast.es/059aa0b14ee4ac44
sorta feels basic to me ngl since its the 3 mons i went into reg h wanting to use since i couldnt play last reg h but then i just slapped on the most basic supports with peli for the archalu synergy and then rillaboom incin

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[old kindle]

maybe i can go back to like av archalu and put like miracle seed on rilla maybe? since power herb sorta feels useless with the rain support that peli gives

[sleek laurel]

I was looking at that too

[old kindle]

but i guess it also does allow some flexibility in putting archalu in places where people wouldnt expect it to electro

but then again ots sorta gives that away

[sleek laurel]

It’s more about

Pressuring Electro than catching people off guard with Electro

[old kindle]

yeah

i also was about to mention that lol

since a torkoal aint stopping it

[sleek laurel]

You can keep Herb for that reason yea

Also

Iapapa Sinistcha is a set?

Lemme double check that rq

[old kindle]

i just put it in since its a stronger sitrus

lol

more healing since why not

[sleek laurel]

I’m ngl I’m probably the weakest rater in terms of Reg H but

It’s not a stronger Sitrus btw

Because it triggers at 25

[old kindle]

dw i amtched up the natures

OH

wait

[sleek laurel]

Sitrus triggers at 50

[old kindle]

im such a headass i didnt notice that

gg

pretend its sitrus

[sleek laurel]

Iapapa triggers at 25 unless you’re running Gluttony LOL

Gg

And air

[old kindle]

gluttony sinistcha trust, vgc aaa coming soon after reg h

[sleek laurel]

I would also consider Tera Ghost on Pelipper

[old kindle]

i was thinking that

[sleek laurel]

If you find that Fake Out is more pressuring than

Just getting a stronger hit off

But it’s like

Very niche and a try both case scenario

[old kindle]

i think i might prefer ghost

i still get the ohko on incin without it anyway

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[old kindle]

amoon and annihilape ohko with hurricane is nice

[sleek laurel]

Rest looks fine

[old kindle]

but realsitically

[sleek laurel]

Does Amoong not die

To Modest Hurricane

[old kindle]

i think it doesnt

i might have to double check that

[sleek laurel]

It’s gonna be running like 200 billion SpDef for that

Lemme calc

Ok yea it doesn’t

You can consider Stellar in that case if Amoonguss is a worry

[old kindle]

252+ SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 244 HP / 108 SpD Amoonguss: 176-210 (80 - 95.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

if only incin got follow me 😞 amooon wouldnt be an issue for this team

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s a try both case

[sleek laurel]

Ah yes

Incin’s Gen 10 buff incoming

Anyway

[old kindle]

🔥

[sleek laurel]

Team looks nice other than those details

[old kindle]

yeah

incin and rilla are such basic tack ons lol

[sleek laurel]

If geph/bigfoot/pengu want to check then go ahead because I’m not a Reg H guy (I hate this regulation)

[old kindle]

i dont like putting them on but someitmes the simplest answer is just the best one

[sleek laurel]

I’m actually learning it by force because I’m comp helper LOOOOOOOL

[sleek laurel]

I mean

Incin Rilla is failproof

Have they EVER not been good and been legal at the same time

Idt so

Wait I said Amoong

Bro I need a good night of sleep

This never happened, anyway

[old kindle]

real

luckily my friend has the 2 teams im most worried against so i can practice on em

gonna put this throat chop sneasler to the test

[sleek laurel]

that said I would argue I’m good enough at it by now even if I hate it

Throat Chop Sneasler imo

[old kindle]

i already have enough fake outs in this team and id rather patch up that gholdengo weakness

[sleek laurel]

Is like

Near mandatory

[old kindle]

yeah

gholdengo is gonna make a comeback

[sleek laurel]

I know Fake Out and whatnot

[old kindle]

everyone prepping for sneasler lol

[sleek laurel]

But yea

As my irl friend would say

[old kindle]

and im fairly sure that sneasler survives any normal gholdengo sets

[sleek laurel]

Sneasler takes anything from any Ghold barring Tera Steel Choice Specs Make It Rain

[old kindle]

psy seed would be nicer over grassy for the spdef buff to help in case of some outliers

[old kindle]

even 252+ spa make it rain?

i mean surely nobody runs that

[sleek laurel]

And well

[old kindle]

well thats specs set

[sleek laurel]

252 Specs Make It Rain is a roll

And if Modest then it’s massively Ghold’s favor

[old kindle]

ngl this showdown calc really pisses me off since it doesnt show base vgc (im assuming its reg h and just not marked that way) so i have to remake the set that matters

[sleek laurel]

Yea lmao

[old kindle]

like just say its vgc reg h 😭

[sleek laurel]

Fr

I’m actually rocking some Throat Chop Sneasler myself

In tournaments and the like

[old kindle]

rememebring the time i played all day without realizing my incin was blaze and not intim 😭

[old kindle]

same

[sleek laurel]

I tried playing a Limitless but it started at 11 PM my time

So I played 2 rounds and dropped

Gg.

[old kindle]

oo i need to check my locals ngl

[sleek laurel]

(1-1)

There are no locals rn

It’s off season 😭

[old kindle]

gg

oo i just remembered

[sleek laurel]

Check back in September gg

[old kindle]

ima check if the play pokemon app is now in the us or not yet

[sleek laurel]

Gl

[old kindle]

it is

poggers

[sleek laurel]

And I am going to dinner and get ready to sleep

Gg

[old kindle]

why is it 3 star with 20 reviews, what happened to tpci meatriding 😭

anyway im getting off topic and i got what i wanted

cya

[sleek laurel]

Cya and fr

[old kindle]

huh??

[sleek laurel]

What is wrong with my phone

LOL

[old kindle]

[fluid lintel]

ahahaha..

[old kindle]

onyl a few seconds later did i remember choice set existed

[fluid lintel]

noone here :d

[jolly fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/aea14f469976fe73

reg i double

[fluid lintel]

Lugia cannot be used

sorry bro 😔

[void jungle]

Yeah Lunala outclasses it in every way possible

[north rain]

https://pokepast.es/4b18d5c3d3c3a5c2
Guys, what do you think of my team ? I was thinking of changing amoogus for other pokemon but I don't know, any thots ?

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

probably just indeedee so you don’t get fake out cycled

[lofty canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3fa7869a1af1457f

Trying to make a team to utilize the new shiny fish when it's out

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

what format is this for?

[broken shuttle]

yeah change amoonguss to safety goggles indeedee-f, you need the anti-spore & priority block

mental herb nala is super unnecessary

i would go for leftovers here

kingambit is also not very good

you should go min speed choice banded urshifu-s, it punishes protects to stall trick room

[broken shuttle]

what are you trying to build with this, right now it's pretty structurally unsound and has a lot of redundancy

[lofty canyon]

Doubles in regulation set I, idk what that is in OU or other terms

[broken shuttle]

gotcha, vgc reg i allows you to use two restricted pokemon on your team and yours currently has none— i would check out this resource for teams that have chi-yu & go from there: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=1863148622#gid=1863148622

if you find a paste that you like and have any questions about it feel free to ask here!

[lofty canyon]

https://pokepast.es/12fbbafda92dac54

These were the two closest to the original team and most common in VGCs

[broken shuttle]

this looks chill, only changes i would recommend are dropping eleki for either tornadus-i or whimsicott and putting the sash on urshifu

eleki is not good, and it's not a good form of speed control anymore

you need priority tailwind on a team like this

[lofty canyon]

👍 makes sense, kinda sad eleki isn't speedy/speed control - i didnt get to play with him in sword and he looked really fun

[jolly fulcrum]

im bad at team building im trying to just spam shadow rider rn

[broken shuttle]

i would go for something from this link then, especially if you don't have a lot of experience with building

[broken shuttle]

^

[jolly fulcrum]

ok

[broken shuttle]

great resource for trying out teams

if you have any questions feel free to ask🤠 👍

[jolly fulcrum]

https://pokepast.es/f5a2a2f817afae67

hows this team

[broken shuttle]

3/6 mons are unviable
of the 3 remaining mons caly is missing a tera type, amoonguss is using a bad item & had no tera type, and farig should be defensive without twave & hvoice

don't use eternatus it is not good

[jolly fulcrum]

ok no teras i forgot those

t wave makes sense

eternatus is cool im using it

[drowsy fable]

Smeargle is the worst

[void jungle]

Outclassed by Miraidon

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/7353de820897d44a
wanted to make a team around primarina in reg H, any thoughts and help is appreciated

[drifting onyx]

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[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/28a413d67ac47ff7

[potent crescent]

https://pokepast.es/092f9707cb906747

Giratina-O team for reg J inspired by the top cutting giratina team from the Melbourne regional.

Currently doing pretty well and around top 100-200 on two different accounts (peak top 34), but that pecharunt dondozo screens team that's been popping up more frequently is destroying me and I don't know how to deal with it.

Entei helps with incin and magearna but farigiraf can still be hard to remove sometimes, if anyone can come up with a better check for those three Pokemon than entei I would be very grateful.

@cinder glacier I don't know too much about reg H but it looks like a pretty solid rain team.

Only thing though is that you seem to have given your maushold special attack EVs instead of attack.

@lethal bridge Have you considered running a pledge mode with another starter?

Primarina seems to be the best pokemon for that, and you could pair it with a fast attacker like contrary serperior or blaziken with speed boost.

[lethal bridge]

grass pledge with serperior seems fun, but how would i fit it into this team, get rid of sinistcha and ditch tr?

[potent crescent]

Swamp is incredibly strong speed control, so probably yes, but again I don't really know how that matches up to the meta.

[lethal bridge]

if wolfey can use only starters and succeed then i can use 2 and also succeed probably

would i also get rid of tailwind on salamence

https://pokepast.es/b0e2972368e2eaf7
this is what i came up with

[potent crescent]

That looks very good tbh. Wish you luck in your games!

Just one thing serperior might want tera ground or fire instead of stellar, you almost never want to click stellar Tera blast over leaf storm and the coverage is very valuable sometimes. The initial boost to leaf storm from stellar is very valuable too so I don't think it's a bad choice either.

[lethal bridge]

ight cool i'll go ground

also might switch salamence to incin for more support i feel im lacking in support

[grizzled nacelle]

theres no trapping miraidon users they have volt switch

[fluid lintel]

you can stop miraidon from entering the field unless its turn 1

other than that yea they can

but they can get punished by a grassy terrain switch in

[grizzled nacelle]

true

this is why i like a slow pivot and fast pivot

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/0deae3c364ac5e7a reg h - any suggestions?

[drifting onyx]

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[safe imp]

u could just use gravity on csr

[broken shuttle]

i think it should probably be tera grass arch with goggles maus and lefties ape

spore redirect is really good + grass gives u similar defensive utility to bug while preserving the amoon mu

• lefties ape is just a lot harder to break

[ripe turret]

ok I had grass before but I switched to bug for the fighting resist, also I didn’t have protect on maus so yeah I will change those

[broken shuttle]

other than that seems good

you can probably keep bug, u just have to be careful about amoonguss

[ripe turret]

ok

[ripe turret]

also should I add some bulk to annihilape

if I run lefties

cuz right now I’m more offensive

[broken shuttle]

i think that's still fine

having speed and offense helps the mirror and stuff like that so

• w. friend guard u don't miss it too much

[ripe turret]

kk thx

[drowsy fable]

both bears are horrible to play against

Both bears both forms of both bears

[sleek laurel]

You mean ursh or ursa?

Or wait

Ok I get it

What’s the team like tho?

[drowsy fable]

Both

im trying to figure something out

I just don't like this double restricted format

I've tried koraidon/shadowrider

didn't really like it

tried zamazenta/shadowrider

didn't like it

[sleek laurel]

It’s ending 👍

[drowsy fable]

to get replaced by a double restricted including mythicals

[sleek laurel]

But I mean, sometimes you might wanna try different/non-fully standard cores

[drowsy fable]

or are we going back o single restricted

[sleek laurel]

On Bo1 ladder only

On Bo3 and tournaments it’s gonna be Reg H

[drowsy fable]

ill try using the stupid bears

if u cant beat em join em

[sleek laurel]

Fax

[jolly fulcrum]

miraidons stupid op lizard

eternatus poison type lizard

[primal osprey]

https://pokepast.es/4b80d7bce9df1854

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[primal osprey]

i might be crazy...but i want to find a way to make gigas work...im just not sure who to pair him and weezing with

[ripe turret]

you don't need zama, dusclops, or moon here

zama really hurts without its ability and you already have korai for fighting coverage

dusclops is just kinda bad

and moon also cares about its ability quite a lot

especially if you're running booster

usually you would run caly-s on a gweezing team since its ability (for some reason) doesn't get shut down

[primal osprey]

hmmm...i see

[ripe turret]

you could probably go like

calys chiyu

and then for the third I'm not really sure

something that works well in sun I guess

something like bonnet maybe

also a couple other things I think lorb is better than cloak on gigas

the extra damage is really nice

you can run tera ghost to avoid fake out

and you have protect anyway so

and then for koraidon I think you would usually run collision course here, since without the lorb you won't be picking up the important ohkos anyway

but you can keep it if you like the extra damage

and run a lil more bulk on it too

[primal osprey]

true...but cloak lets me get the drop on a fake out partner mon without losing a turn of progress. i see your point on tera ghost, but...im unsure haha

[ripe turret]

I mean

as long as they're not accomplishing anything with their turn then it doesn't matter

because you can just double protect

and unless they setup/switch then the "free turn" doesn't do anything for them

[sleek laurel]

Sorry for not having rated recently, the SAT is coming in 3 months and I’m practicing a lot on my own because I also have a Regional in 2 months

And that’s about as much Pokémon as I can afford in the SAT year LOL

Anyway

[sleek laurel]

Seconding @ripe turret here, you can also consider Amoonguss > Brute Bonnet because an Amoonguss with no ability is generally just better than a Bonnet with no ability

But this would worsen your CSR matchup a lot and with good teammate management, you won’t have Weezing and Bonnet side by side, and if you do, you probably lost the game

Because you exert zero pressure with Weezing Bonnet beyond like

Poisoning and Sucker Punch chipping

So I actually am not fond of that

[sleek laurel]

Also; what I would personally do is Cloak Weezing / LOrb Gigas / Clam Korai / Sash CSR / Scarf Yu / Helmet Bonnet

Cloak Weezing with Taunt is goated, especially since Bonnet is not as good against Trick Room due to its base 55 Speed making it faster than CIR / Iron Hands / Ursaluna

It’s still great, but that’s an issue

Unironically if it had -10 Speed and +10 Special Attack it would be so much better LMAO

[sleek laurel]

Strange Steam + Toxic Spikes + Taunt + Protect

[safe imp]

U can use cir or try specs kyogre

ursa is pretty good on trick room so u can use whimsicott for tailwind support+ encore their tr setter

Or use shifu rs cuz most ursa use protect for guts

this is for countering them not using them with them

[sleek laurel]

Specs Kyo isn’t a good set btw

It can be played but like, it’s incredibly hard to be consistent with it, and not as hard for the opponent to stop with a good team

That said

Rest is true

[sleek laurel]

That said this is for Bo3 settings

On Bo1 CTS it’s considerably stronger

[safe imp]

I was considering this scenario, however I strongly agree that Bo3 is harder to play ogre with, since your expecting it anyways

(thats why I also said try)

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Kyogre is genuinely cracked in Bo1 CTS

Because it can be 30 different things

In Bo3 OTS it’s half as good LOL

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/ebb3396e58feadef

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

okay a few changes here:

max defense bold/relaxed indeedee with safety goggles to live physical hits and redirect spore, follow me>protect smeargle— you'd prefer redirection here to protect, max special attack quiet hatterene you should be maximizing damage on that mon— also go tera water hatterene so you don't melt to make it rain, snarl/vacuum wave>protect on AV ursa, wide guard over swords dance on gallade & go max attack adamant on it over calm

[rare hill]

ok

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/0b5ff28875c9df55

with changes

[rare hill]

thank

thanks*

[potent crescent]

https://pokepast.es/458960ba6699ca5b

I'm really struggling to find a good Iron valiant spread to use for this team.

Iron valiant in this team is very valuable thanks to coaching, fighting type damage in close combat and wide guard support.

Fighting type damage and wide guard in my opinion are important for this team because the original version of this team had zamazenta instead of arceus. Coaching also synergizes really well with a purely physical team like this. It kinda condenses the roles of both zamazenta and the scarf urshifu with coaching into one single Pokemon.

The problem here is that I can't figure out if I should just go full speed and attack with it or if its worth it to bulk it out so it can survive some key attacks.

With this set currently, valiant can take pretty much any neutral attack reliably, but some things like miraidon's hadron engine volt switch or life orb calyrex astral barrage have a significant chance to KO.

If I make it less speedy, it won't be able to outspeed scarf timid base 100s, and if I take away from it's attack, it probably won't be able to pick up some important KOs that It would otherwise with sword of ruin and tera fighting as an alternative fast offensive mode for the team (not reliant on priority)

Please let me know what spread you think would be most efective for this Pokemon in this team.

[lofty canyon]

I found a team I'm happy with for when the blue fish comes https://pokepast.es/f801e6079ab9e6a9

[potent crescent]

That looks really cool! Maybe a little too reliant on electroweb for speed control tho?

[lofty canyon]

it is, you get a little with rillaboom but thats a weakness in the team

it does synergize well with chi-yu's spd decrease, usually against tailwind or trickroom teams I just go full dmg on the turn they need to set up

[potent crescent]

Do you not struggle against wide guard/trick room?

[lofty canyon]

No, everyones got single target

[potent crescent]

Ok cool

Hope you do well with the blue goldfish!

[lofty canyon]

💖

[celest gulch]

hows reg j been treating yall? https://pokepast.es/442be69485e2b15d coming in with gravity dark void team number 952094356928 for some epic gamers' rating pleasure. currently stuck in the 1400s like the noob i am

[drifting onyx]

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[prisma olive]

can i just do a small comment here? i think for whimsi you can either invest the 108 speed to somewhere else or go for 220 speed. it gives you enough speed to outspeed torna. from what im seeing rn, 108 speed doesnt really do anything. cmiiw

[celest gulch]

yeah i started with a max hp max spdef whims when building, but i was still dying to mag flash cannon so i just copied ceribelli's whims

the 108 speed outpaces up to jolly ursh

[ripe turret]

I second this, also I would run clam on cir

especially since you're not running leech seed the survivability is not as important