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[random wagon]

and the incin set is questionable

koraidon csr teams typically go either super offensive (think chi-yu and wake and gweez) or more reserved (incin, bonnet, bolt)

i feel like yours is both at the same time which doesnt work (incin and amoon + specs flutter and hawlucha)

since you have lorb korai and sball csr i assume you want to play offensive

so options like chi-yu with scarf would be nice

idt flutter mane needs to be here, you can run gweez over it

Especially with it specs set it kinda overlaps with csr

chi-yu would be a replacement for your amoon/hawlucha slot btw

and now we just have to work with the raichu which could probably be a flex slot / a MU check

i personally like chien-pao but something else could work

i think incineroar is fine here but should be using safety goggles / rocky helmet + tera ghost / bug to help vs zama

You can also probably use a more offensive ev spread so blitz under sun becomes a nuke

4/6 of your pokemon are unviable, 1 is decent at best

i suggest checking iut the victory road or smogon samples

i know some people want kyu-w to work, can probs ask fangame since they know more about kyu-w than anyone LOL

[main nacelle]

SD rayray: https://pokepast.es/32cb4c497c5a8243
tailwind rayray: https://pokepast.es/a7c24c31ad34e93a

1. rayquaza is the main character. the mon Im building around I understand hes kinda dogshit but he has SOMETHING Decent
2. CSR can be exchanged for something else
3. I have mainly played SD rayray and I do like a similar playstyle to marco silva with no speed control

Rayray: focal point of the team hes not really spectacular but he does make koraidon trivial and kyogre very manageable. SD lets me become dragonite with no inner focus dragon ascent helps me nuke non sash calyrex and chip through lunala before tera. I haven't really test out tailwind yet but I do want to keep the option in mind as speed control is always helpful but I do think that the wallbreaking capability of sd extreme speed is really necessary to make rayquaza's "pitiful" stats work.
CSR: fast nuke + encore. does CSR things
Clefairy: support + trick room support. after you really helps out in trickroom matchups but its not enough by itself
incin: incin
Rillaboom: bandaid fix for miraidon matchup. also helps remove psychic terrain from indeedee for rayray. thought about dropping wood hammer for knock off, BUT I don't think dropping even more damage from my support mons is a good choice
araquanid: helps against trickroom. wideguard helps against Calyrexs. sitrus berry is questionable. really useful against not calyrex™ but as my wideguard user having a berry is very suspect. also considered dropping protect for icywind or some other move. protect feels good but haven't explored yet. not sure what to do for now.

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[main nacelle]

EVS are open to change
rayquaza has enough speed to outrun many lower speed kyogres (64 speed) max attack (he's still feels weak). bulk I forgor xd
0/0/28 on CSR always lives scarf (timid) draco meteor from terrain miraidon. 4/4/20 does the same thing, but with absolutely miniscule increase in physical defense.
clefairy, rillaboom, incin are all just commonly used ev spreads. haven't explored much for them
araquanid I forgor xd

[broken shuttle]

okay to start don't use tw ray

i think the only reason to actually use it to begin with is like SD + espeed

so the first one is already much better

secondly

incineroar + rillaboom + araquanid are way too passive here

i think the base core of ray + caly + clef works as a good starting point, but that is the kind of structure that you'd prefer to sweep your opponent with, not play super positionally like incin + rilla lends itself to

for those three mons, i have three changes i'd recommend

tera dark on calyrex
protect>life dew
tera grass on clefairy

i would also recommend nasty plot caly as a secondary setup mon, but realistically encore is a fine place to start

tera dark caly is super needed in the mirror, you can only really afford to run ghost on sash sets where you don't have as much trouble with opposing astral & you need the damage boost

protect on clefairy allows you to preserve its HP & reposition around fake out, while tera grass makes you immune to spore while preserving the urshifu-rs resistence

now for the other three slots

the first thing you need is chien-pao

[main nacelle]

my first iteration had chienpao and normal CSR

i'll def try it again

with dark this time

sorry for interupting

[broken shuttle]

no nws, your experience with the team can help me help u better👍

anyways

pao allows you to accelerate offense next to ray immediately & allows you to check opposing calyrex

from there i think you realistically need two things

zamazenta counterplay is the biggest one

i think here i would slot on choice scarf chi-yu

this allows you to get the upper hand into the calyrex mirror while offensively checking zamazenta & both calyrexes

[main nacelle]

ruination heatwave darkpulse overheat?

[broken shuttle]

no

snarl>ruination

[main nacelle]

makes sense

I am not lookingforward to playing SV again 😭

[broken shuttle]

new regulation gets announced soon🙏

[main nacelle]

let it be mythics regulation gamefreak

free my 50% accurate dark voids xddddddd

would mean I get to drop this rayquaza team (rip rayray) (cya calyrex)

[broken shuttle]

from there i would add bulky urshifu-r as it helps out against zamazenta while also being able to function as a calyrex-i check

and it has good synergy with pao and ray

https://pokepast.es/77d4b7f94b9fd242

so this, with changes

[main nacelle]

gotcha i'll run like 10+ games or so

[broken shuttle]

should be tera ghost pao here lol i forgot to change it

[main nacelle]

dw I figured

tyvm

[drowsy fable]

.

[drowsy fable]

https://pokepast.es/e26c685f0bf3eefd thoughts?

[ripe turret]

uh

[sleek laurel]

Most mons are good, but most sets need some small changes

also Raichu is like

[ripe turret]

what they said

[sleek laurel]

not making the cut this generation or regulation

it's had success before but in gen 9 it's not sufficing (especially since Rillaboom suffices and does everything else better)

this team also doesn't look like it should struggle much with Miraidon

so it's not necessary either, I would just do Raging Bolt here

as for sets

• Incineroar is fine except for Tera Type and Item; Sitrus Berry is generally useless since Calyrex denies it and both bikes can OHKO it, and every team has one of these (except Swordfish, but Kyogre can also OHKO it). You probably want to run Safety Goggles or Rocky Helmet, or, since you're running Flare Blitz anyway and there's no other Assault Vest user, you can use Assault Vest with U-Turn > Parting Shot and a slightly different EV spread.

• Koraidon is nearly perfectly fine, but the defensive investment is not relevant outside of Clear Amulet sets (which rely on an Adamant nature with 196 Attack to OHKO Calyrex-S, and the defensive investment is rather leftover). You can do 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 anything (don't use Special Attack tho 🤣) with a Jolly nature, or 28 HP / 228 Attack / 252 Speed (also with a Jolly nature) to minimize Life Orb recoil (the only relevant defensive investment).

• Flutter Mane is generally only viable with a Focus Sash (its really good w/it on Sun tho) at the moment. The standard Moonblast / Shadow Ball / Icy Wind / Protect set works, but another option, since you have Calyrex-S, is Taunt > Shadow Ball to deny Trick Room, Smeargle tomfoolery, and limit Tornadus to one round of tomfoolery (you can also slot it over Protect, but I'm not a fan, especially since you have a lot of Ghost-type offense in Calyrex).

• Calyrex-S is nearly fine, but you probably want a Spell Tag (or Life Orb, and make Koraidon Clear Amulet, both ways are viable) due to, well, Focus Sash being taken by Flutter Mane. Also, Shadow Ball is exclusively used as Choice Specs tech (which isn't particularly good rn anyway); this team is going to make better use of Nasty Plot instead.

• (Also consider and probably just always run Tera Dark as you won't have Focus Sash)

• If you use the aforementioned Raging Bolt, you can choose between an Assault Vest set w/a different Incineroar item or a Magnet set with Assault Vest Incineroar. Both ways work.

• And Amoonguss is almost fine, but you probably want Rocky Helmet or Covert Cloak > Leftovers (Amoonguss doesn't stay in the field for too long, and has Regenerator anyway), Protect > Foul Play (the Calyrexes are too threatening anyway, you either Spore them or get out of the field, and Foul Play doesn't kill either one anyway), and a mild EV spread change (236 HP / 236+ Defense (Bold) / 36 SpD). It is also critical to run 27 Speed IVs instead of 31 to underspeed all Calyrex-I under Trick Room, thus enabling Spore (and if it's not under Trick Room then you can threaten it with much more ease).

[drifting onyx]

Raging Bolt (Gen 9)

Typing

Electric / Dragon

Abilities

0: Protosynthesis

Base Stats (BST: 590)

125 / 73 / 91 / 137 / 89 / 75

Weight

480 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[sleek laurel]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/raging-bolt/vgc25-regulation-i/

use one of the two sets, both ways are viable here

[drowsy fable]

yeah that makes sense

I'm finding myself basically never bringing amongus and riachu

[drowsy fable]

but doesn't psychics terrain stop all the statusus

and indeedee is really common next to ice rider for trick room

[sleek laurel]

No that's Misty

And Electric Terrain specifically denies sleep, but you usually don't bring Amoonguss on the Miraidon matchup other than for redirection anyway

[drowsy fable]

i tilted from 1300 to 1180 😔

[frank hazel]

https://pokepast.es/56d2f9ed419cff6b: this team is functioning well its just that it might need to fixing and im not sure how to

[drifting onyx]

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[ivory drift]

Pretty new to VGC anf Ho-oh is my favorite restricted. Any tips?

[sleek laurel]

I tilted from 1530 to 1230 on bo3 😔

Now recovering

Showdown fluctuates too much

Dont beat yourself up over a rating loss

When each game is worth 40 points, losing 120 points is just 3 games LOL

[sleek laurel]

P good team

Maybe Electric Seed Pagos is worth considering

But its viable as is

Wait uh

Tera Water Urshifu > Fighting

Assault Vest Iron Hands with Low Kick > Protect

Ok now its viable as is LOL

This is what happens when you rmt at 6:20 am

[sleek laurel]

Ho-Oh is majorly a Miraidon pair restricted

Your Terapagos set is also extremely suboptimal, you probably just wanna change the core

Ironically though

[frank hazel]

what should i use on miraidon if i use av on ironhands

[sleek laurel]

Most of your support mon are great picks regardless (except Rilla), just need set changes

I'll get to you soon

[sleek laurel]

Oh I skimmed over that

Specs most likely

Since Ho-Oh has Tailwind already

[sleek laurel]

Ty btw
This HAS to be my most unawake rmt ever

LMAO

[frank hazel]

no worries haha

it happens to the best of us

[sleek laurel]

Lmao ty

Fr

[sleek laurel]

Wait what the fuck am I SAYING

I mixed up the two rates

Hold up

[sleek laurel]

Ok I would still use Specs

Because this team is both really bulky and lacking in immediate power

With CM Pagos, Grimmsnarl, Focus Sash Urshifu

But GOD I need some coffee

Lmk if you need anything else tho LMAO

[drowsy fable]

release terapagos

[ivory drift]

Release? Lol
Honestly i just dont know what restricted to use and I dont have miraidon

I wanna keep ho-oh though

Im also not a huge fan of Calyrex (either form)

[ivory drift]

How do i fix? Ive never used it

I just noticed the stats on rilla were all fucked up. Not what i thought i chose

[drowsy fable]

hate that stupid thing

[sleek laurel]

Honestly, it's probably a case of "try to get it from a trade" then

If its for ingame VGC

Because there's no other seriously viable Ho-Oh Restricted pair (some people tried to make Koraidon work due to Sun stuff but like, it's just suboptimal)

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/cc23e93934557b83

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[jovial creek]

Are you trying to use kyurem black?

[lyric void]

Yea kinda

Not married to it tho

[sleek laurel]

The

[jovial creek]

Ok then I'd recommend changing your team to be very hostile into incin

[sleek laurel]

Ah bigfoot gotcha

[lyric void]

Any phys attacker would work

[jovial creek]

Because it will be a problem

[jovial creek]

Are you trying to use coaching zama?

[lyric void]

I was originally using howl scream tail

[jovial creek]

Zamazenta+koraidon is a core I've thought about if you want 2 physical restricteds

[lyric void]

Korai is cool I just wanna see if I can set up coaching on my kyeurem b

[jovial creek]

You could try scarf urshifu as both a Coaching mon and an incineroar annoyer

Then some priority blocking pokemon and a special attacker

Maybe zamazenta-c, kyurem, indeedee for follow me support and terrain control, urshifu-r

Last 2 im not sure about

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/fc62991de7b5a4c2

[broken shuttle]

drop iron defense on zama for heavy slame or behemoth bash, setup zama is super redundant here

i think you want redirection here

i think bigfoot’s original indeedee suggestion is correct

so farig + rilla are unneeded, i think from there you probably want another way of pressuring miraidon

i would suggest something like choice scarf Lando-I & then put focus sash on urshifu

and then for the last slot

you probably need anti-sun

more specifically like

anti-koraidon

unironically i think pelipper is not a bad consideration here

peli basically allows you to force landorus-i into koraidon & deactivates opposing flutter proto

so the six would be pelipper/sash urshifu-r/scarf lando-i/kyurem/zama/indeedee-f

[hot steeple]

I've been playtesting this team, but looking for ideas to improve it.

Synergy seems decent except Gast doesn't see much use.
https://pokepast.es/20d8da9daae3e793

[jovial creek]

Talonflame isnt very good, a lot of your sets are also just unoptimal, miraidon doesn't need safety Goggles because of its electric terrain for example

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/52477edf719f8fed
I kinda just made this team on a whim, any suggestions

[hot steeple]

Good shout with Miraidon; I'm very much joining the scene as a returning noob from the ShoddyBattle days. Lots to learn.

I basically just updates with what Smogon has posted for each mon. I plan to test it a bit later.

I still think an option to replace Gastrodon is required.

https://pokepast.es/f401ff83f8cb9f7a

[ripe turret]

I'm kinda thinking that AV incin over whims here is good

[ripe turret]

your team needs some overhaul, talonflame and gastrodon are not good this regulation, indeedee is anti-synergystic with miraidon and urshifu-dark doesn't fit on this team

I would suggest replacing talonflame with whimsicott for starters

a standard set should do fine here

if you want a redirection support piece, amoonguss or ogerpon can be good in place of indeedee

although obviously ogerpon is more offensive

alternatively, if you want to block priority, use farigiraf

that way you can kind of have two modes

[broken shuttle]

yeah i think i agree with this

i think you need fake out or redirection on mirai cir otherwise you can get really taken advantage of by fake out cycling csr zama teams

im not really the biggest fan of ursaluna here, i think it's better with a dedicated trick room setter like on the mirai lunala teams

caly-i is great for setting trick room for itself but not great at being relied on to set trick room for its friends also

if that makes sense

i would suggest sash urshifu-r there, it's more flexible & is able to punish protect a lot better while giving some defensive utility into the mirror

alternatively you could test amoonguss there, it helps to punish csr zama a lot & redirection is really strong on this type of comp

[ripe turret]

alr cool thx

[drowsy folio]

https://pokepast.es/49958753553ea286

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[drowsy folio]

anyone?

[inner grove]

Shouldnt you change grimm's tera type?

[drowsy folio]

i never tera it

never

[sleek laurel]

Change it regardless

Better safe than sorry

Unless its for cart

even then its worth it because you'll find out Tera Ghost Grimm HAS genuine click rate

[drowsy folio]

hmm

[sleek laurel]

I mean

Why NOT do that anyway?

Its unbelievably niche but its always gonna be better than Tera Dark

And it can even be used to like

1v1 opposing stuff Choice-locked into Normal- or Fighting-type moves in a last versus last setting

PP stall the Normal- or Fighting-type move and then watch as they Struggle into gg

[drowsy folio]

made it tera ghost

[random wagon]

imo you might want encore disable over dkiss plot

since that is typically what terap shadow rider teams prefer iirc

or at least use psychic and tera ghost over draining kiss and tera fairy

tera ghost actually should be run regardless bc of sash

and draining kiss is just so incredibly weak

only really hits stuff like korai and ursh hard which you hit with psychic anyways

[drowsy folio]

ok

done

what else

[hot steeple]

Agreed with the overhaul. I was noticing very quickly my team was generally defaulting to leaving Gast and Talonflame behind most games.

I've soft swapped in Farigiraf for Gastrodon to see how much better it does Indeedee's job. The terrain pivoting was nice but not switching off my own pirorities and maintaining Electric Terrain definitely feels better.

I'm weightjng up the option of Ursaluna for Physical duties over Urshifu, maybe run Ogrepon too when I remove Indeedee.

[broken shuttle]

@strange slate send here

[strange slate]

how do i get the share link?

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/391fabd1667498ac

does that work?

[broken shuttle]

yes

[broken shuttle]

i think you need some speed on this team, it's pretty slow & doesn't really have anything that outspeeds stuff like calyrex-s and/or miraidon

[strange slate]

trick room though

or are you saying my 6th should be fast incase i cant trick room?

[broken shuttle]

yes, it makes you much more flexible into the rest of the field

[strange slate]

so who should i use?

[broken shuttle]

i would suggest two things here

either chien pao or volcarona

[strange slate]

i like chien pao

[broken shuttle]

chien pao gives you additional priority & is able to force offense

while volc is a strong redirector with tailwind

[strange slate]

i actually really wanted chien pao for one of my silly names

does sword of ruin reduce my own defense?

[broken shuttle]

also, go fake out rillaboom>knock off

[strange slate]

and what set do i want?

[broken shuttle]

yes it can, but most of the time the offensive benefit is worth it

[broken shuttle]

life orb w. 3 attacks

ice spinner/sucker punch/sacred sword

max atk max speed jolly 4 defense

[strange slate]

and what 4th? protect?

and which tera

[broken shuttle]

yes

[broken shuttle]

tera ghost or stellar

[strange slate]

what does tera stellar do exactly

[drowsy folio]

give u a buff to every type of move once

so if u have fire,water and grass moves all be bossted by 50% but only once

[broken shuttle]

stellar is only a 1.2x boost on non-STAB moves & turns your STAB moves into a 2x boost but yes

[strange slate]

interesting

[broken shuttle]

it's an offense boost basically

[strange slate]

cool

and i want chien pao for offense?

[drowsy folio]

so u want it for bulk??

[broken shuttle]

yes

its speed tier is also really useful here

[strange slate]

ok now i need a name for my bolt smh

[drowsy folio]

also sucker hits like a truck

name it Raikiri

[strange slate]

the rest of my names are references

well luna isnt but like its lunala

and luna matches sol

[drowsy folio]

names aren't this channels problem

we help with teams

[strange slate]

true

https://pokepast.es/d7d2074471e1c4f2

so is it good?

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

brain farted that you had rilla

icicile crash>ice spinner on pao

[strange slate]

alr

[broken shuttle]

you're also missing 4 evs on pao

[drowsy folio]

rilla evs can be better

[sleek laurel]

and on rilla

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/eb238d77f595707d

[sleek laurel]

and yes rilla evs probably want some updating

[drowsy folio]

and also don't u think u need a fairy resist or something for flutter

cause u have 2 weaknesses

znd no resists

[broken shuttle]

not really

[strange slate]

how should i update?

[broken shuttle]

tfire groudon + rilla + 3 prio users can handle it

[sleek laurel]

max hp, a lot of spdef and a bit less attack

either 36+ or 116+ attack

244 hp (not max i lied)

[drowsy folio]

EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 124 SpD / 12 Spe

just use these

[sleek laurel]

and then 4 def, 4/12/20 speed and a fuck ton of spe

yea

that's good

[sleek laurel]

(smogdex runs 244 but 252 can work too i mean)

(lmao)

[drowsy folio]

i sent works well too

[strange slate]

ok i got that

anything else?

[sleek laurel]

ye

[drowsy folio]

else u can try tera fairy lunala

[strange slate]

what does tera fairy get me?

[sleek laurel]

i mean

[strange slate]

and what does tera water get me

[broken shuttle]

send the paste here

again

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/489f78561118fa09

[sleek laurel]

you don't have moonblast so tera fairy is not mandatory

but

[drowsy folio]

tera fairy gets u stab moonblast and dark resist

[sleek laurel]

it can help pinning miraidon

and gives a dark resist

[drowsy folio]

and remove a 4 times weakness

[sleek laurel]

while water helps with koraidon

[sleek laurel]

his set ain't running moonblast

[broken shuttle]

make is 252 atk 4 def on pao

[drowsy folio]

it should

[broken shuttle]

it does not need to

[sleek laurel]

it's the meteor beam support set

[broken shuttle]

👍

[sleek laurel]

it doesn't need to and can't really fit lol

[broken shuttle]

wide guard and tr are much more important there

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/835abac0f8fd1e6c

[drowsy folio]

i ran wg,mblast,HH and tw

on my luna

[sleek laurel]

helping hand?

[drowsy folio]

yes

worked like a charm

[sleek laurel]

no moongeist beam can't be worth it

idt

[broken shuttle]

this is good👍

good luck

[strange slate]

ok ty friends :D

[broken shuttle]

yeah this set is troll

[strange slate]

now i got to learn how to play it lmao

[sleek laurel]

np

[broken shuttle]

moongeist is not droppable

[drowsy folio]

let's not talk about my teams

i use weird shit

[sleek laurel]

lolol

fair

[strange slate]

im gonna trust the green name not the white name

[sleek laurel]

lelouch is an actually good player btw but he's explicitly stated he runs unteams before

lmfao

[strange slate]

aha

ok where would i ask how to play my team lmao

[drowsy folio]

i have played for 9 years in VGC

[strange slate]

i have played 0 👍

[sleek laurel]

i have played like 1

but i run teams, not unteams 👍

anyway

[broken shuttle]

i would try it out for yourself and get some experience

[drowsy folio]

the thing is the teams and sets i use no one uses them so people think i'm giving bad advice

[sleek laurel]

yea that

[broken shuttle]

save your replays and ask what you could improve on

[drowsy folio]

so let's not talk about my sets

[broken shuttle]

see what works and what does not work

[strange slate]

yeah but like ik nothing. I assume start lunala groudon?

[broken shuttle]

it depends on the matchup

[sleek laurel]

i mean it's more about teambuilding advice than playing advice here

[drowsy folio]

u can start acc to oppo

[broken shuttle]

can both of you stop yapping please👍

[sleek laurel]

fair lmao

[sleek laurel]

it's majorly matchup dependant

[strange slate]

where can i ask for like playing advice

[drowsy folio]

i will go yap somehwere else than

[drowsy folio]

u can send replays

and ask for review

[strange slate]

where

[broken shuttle]

https://discord.gg/HTmeqQDM

[drowsy folio]

#comp-general #comp-general-2 is what i recomend

or yeah join this server

also u can ask on PS in rooms

[strange slate]

ok i did ty

[broken shuttle]

play a few games, see how the team feels, and feel free to ask questions!

[drowsy folio]

best way to learn is to fight good players so join tours on VGC room in PS

and review your replays

[random wagon]

roomtours (i assume you are referring to these as you reference the vgc ps room) aren’t the greatest way to improve imo, considering the people that join them aren’t playing seriously and often times bring cheese teams.

The best way to improve tour-wise and easily review replays id say is playing in limitless tours or smogon hosted tours

of course reviewing your replays and playing with friends is also a great way to get better

and ig high ladder is fine but idr like ladder bc you dont know what they’ll throw at ya aside from bo3

[broken shuttle]

yeah bo3 ladder is a great way to improve also

[sleek laurel]

bo3 ladder is considerably better than bo1 for training yea

it's not even close

[drowsy folio]

Bo3 is like good but Bo1 is shit

[sleek laurel]

^

[drowsy folio]

Bo1 players runs some real gimmicky teams

[random wagon]

bo1 is only good for legit practice if your playing in gc

but at that point hop on cart smh

[strange slate]

is there like a fast way for me to make this team in game? cause i dont got any of them lmao

[broken shuttle]

not really

[strange slate]

ill just get my friends to do it for me 👍

[broken shuttle]

for in-game stuff it'll take a while unless you already have resources built up

[drowsy folio]

https://pokepast.es/e19d2dfbbe80a6e7

team i use

[random wagon]

why is there a eternatus on my screen

[drowsy folio]

cause i like using it

[random wagon]

with terap tho?

[drowsy folio]

yes

i know csr work better with it

but eternatus fits well too

[broken shuttle]

eternatus does literally nothing for you here

it makes your miraidon & csr matchup worse and does not meaningfully compensate enough to be worth slotting over something like your own csr

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/742f32d105d55ffc attempting to use my favorite pokemon (garchomp) on a team

[drowsy folio]

first of all tera ghost and sword dance CIR is just bad

tera fire or water is better

also lefties terapagos if u want CM

tera fire or water ammoungus

why u have tera bug incin??

[red lodge]

tera bug incin is actually pretty good it resists fighting and ground

wolfey used it

[drowsy folio]

wolfey uses weird shit that deosn't mean it's good

[cursive mason]

This is like the main incin Tera now

I’ve seen some other types on non AV like water/ghost but bug is still the most common

but a majority of the incin are running Tera bug I’m p sure based on my ladder and livetour experience (58% usage at the livetour)

[ivory drift]

I made a couple changes to previous team.
Thoughts? I think this one is better tbh

[broken shuttle]

if you want to use garchomp, i would not suggest using this kind of team

it benefits a lot more from consistent bulky pieces, while garchomp does not really have much defensive or offensive utility in this format

i would suggest taking an already existing team and replacing a mon that fills a similar niche with garchomp

https://pokepast.es/f8a7beb8244b7702

for example, replacing groudon with garchomp would allow you to replace chien-pao with calyrex-ice rider

https://pokepast.es/46d86d6d925a9ceb

something like this should work much better

[old sphinx]

Hi, im new to comp and just built my first team. I played in restricted format in SwSh a bit and came back now and built myself a team.
I'm looking for all and any opinions, tips and tricks on it. Any input will be greatly appreciated! 🙂
https://pokepast.es/74d59ea62bbe90b7

[broken shuttle]

hi, i don't think this core is very good— Garchomp is not good in SV, and the rest of the team doesn't do a great job at supporting the restricteds. I would check out the VGCPastes repository to find a team that you like and spend some playing the meta a bit more before you build your own team: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=736919171#gid=736919171

[old sphinx]

Thanks, I've been looking around online for teams but there werent any great resources!

[old sphinx]

I actually only ran Garchomp to deal with Miraidon cus it has been givin me hell D:

[broken shuttle]

yeah wouldn't suggest garchomp for that, stuff like your own caly i & landorus-i offensively & rillaboom and amoonguss defensively help a lot

[drowsy folio]

hmm

[drowsy folio]

https://pokepast.es/4542e42b9330a61e

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[drowsy folio]

anything else i can add

what works well with this team

[sleek laurel]

Lemme see

[sleek laurel]

Oh uh

That's a #comp-general question, usually this channel is only for teams that already have 6 mons

But dw about it because

This is insanely counterintuitive if you don't know anyway, common ass mistake LMAO

Anyway

[drowsy folio]

this is a VGC team so i sent it here

[sleek laurel]

I like a Ground-type

[sleek laurel]

No yea ik

[drowsy folio]

ursaluna

bloodmoon

[sleek laurel]

The rules are like "complete teams go here, incomplete teams go to compgen"

But its counterintuitive

[sleek laurel]

Bloodmoon is

It probably fits here but I just think Landorus-I is better

[drowsy folio]

i can go lando and whims as last 2

tw and tr use it as needed

[sleek laurel]

That's fine yes

Can also do Roaring Moon if you think Whimsicott isn't as valuable

[drowsy folio]

whims should be fine with encore and endevour

and tera ghsot

[sleek laurel]

It's less valuable on CIR comps but its immensely valuable on Miraidon

Yea

Not particularly a believer of the Sash Endeavor Whimsicott set but its

Not unviable

Or necessarily bad just beware of Fake Out

[drowsy folio]

i said tera ghost i think??

and i have fari for fake out block

[sleek laurel]

Yea but having to commit to Terastallizing is costly, but don't be afraid to use it if it wins btw

But yes

If it works on any team then its tgis one

[drowsy folio]

i will go moon than

spe booster

[sleek laurel]

Either works

Yes

If you do that then use spe boost

[drowsy folio]

how about bulky lando i will go enough spe to outspe CSR AND mirai under tw

[sleek laurel]

Btw you probs want a bit of Speed on Calyrex and a bit more dedicated bulk on Hands if you're running Tailroom

[sleek laurel]

I was

Going to say thar

Yes definitely

[drowsy folio]

CSR is 214 on max spe right

[sleek laurel]

On Tailroom, Bulky Lando shines incredibly

222

You probably go a little more Speed, you don't even need any invest at all for CSR under TW

I usually like to invest for like Scarf Ape

Or a few Booster stuff

(Scarf Ape still doesn't need any invest actually)

[drowsy folio]

i will go 174 spe

puts me at 154

[sleek laurel]

O yea

154 is good

Then do like 116+ SpA and rest in bulk

[sleek laurel]

Btw

Dragon Pulse Miraidon?

Is that a misinput or hatred for the 90%? Lol

[drowsy folio]

i hate low acc moves,i would never run them if not needed

cause HHP is needed on CIR

taht's why it is there

[sleek laurel]

Yea fair

[drowsy folio]

https://pokepast.es/5301bd53e9fc9d61

here we go

[sleek laurel]

Good

4 Speed on CIR btw

Because it's 0 cost

[drowsy folio]

done

[sleek laurel]

Gg

Good luck

[drowsy folio]

i do make good teams i needed

[sleek laurel]

O wait

[drowsy folio]

i should focus more

[sleek laurel]

76 HP / 180+ Atk / 12 Def / 236 SpD

Use this spread for Iron Hands

[drowsy folio]

ok

[sleek laurel]

You don't need Max Attack and investing much in HP is not as worth it

Because Hands' base HP is immense

But other than that its really good

[drowsy folio]

it didn't save

i had that spread

[sleek laurel]

Oh LMAO

Showdown gameplay

[sleek laurel]

I still would not run Dragon Pulse Miraidon, but if you are confident you will not need to click it on neutral hits you can use it

(Just make sure you don't sorely miss the power)

[drowsy folio]

i will go draco

[sleek laurel]

Oh yea I forgot one thing, Tera Poison on Landorus

OHKOs Tera Fairy Miraidon with Sludge Bomb

[drowsy folio]

i know

i haven't made lando any tera

[sleek laurel]

Oh

I thought you overlooked it

Mbmb

[drowsy folio]

that's all i think

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Gl with the team

[ornate cloak]

@sleek laurel do you think I can replace Tornadus with Ting Lu?

https://pokepast.es/7eed62f074060d19

[drowsy folio]

torn seems fine here

just give it cloak

sharp beak is useless

why u have rain dance??

[random wagon]

sharp beak is literally like the 2nd or 3rd best item on torn???

especially on these csr zama balance teams

also rain dance is useful to shut off sun

[drowsy folio]

cloak and sash still better

[random wagon]

not sash but cloak yes

sharp beak, even then, has its uses though

[drowsy folio]

i haven't seen beak that much in all my uears

before cloak i have seen no item

defiant acro in SWSH

and i have seen sitrus

and sash too

[stoic silo]

i just want to spam tera electric discharge https://pokepast.es/4eed54dd9e24e01d

[drowsy folio]

take fari tera ground than

[stoic silo]

ok

[ornate cloak]

Anyway yeah, I'm struggling a bit with LunaDon and csr mirror so is Ting Lu better here over Torn?

Actually struggling a lot against LunaDon and csr mirror

And I don't find myself bringing Torn all that often anyway

[random wagon]

torn should be helpful in the csr mirror

try bringing it more and getting better at utilizing it

also

taunt shuts down wide guard from lunala

so your own csr can go ham

[ornate cloak]

The thing is, I've had csr mirrors where I've gotten away with winning without bringing Torn

Obvs torn has its benefits w speed control and taunt

But especially against Lunala Miraidon, I think Ting might be more effective

[random wagon]

i mean you can win without torn but it does make it noticeably easier in the mirror

[ornate cloak]

The issue is

[random wagon]

idt you need ting lu actually

rilla shuts off miraidon

[ornate cloak]

Ye but that's the thing

I don't have anything reliable against Volcarona + Miraidon

[random wagon]

and incin can help out into lunala

well

[ornate cloak]

Torn can taunt Volcarona but the mu is still so abysmal

[random wagon]

encore csr could help with that

also, supoort volc or set up volc?

[ornate cloak]

Both

[random wagon]

and i dont see ting-lu being the mu fixer there because you dont do much into volc

esp if they are qd drain

[ornate cloak]

Honestly the LunaDon mu is the most annoying

And even with torn it's so hard

My reasoning for Ting Lu is that it shuts down both restricteds pretty handily

[random wagon]

they do commonly use urshifu though

[ornate cloak]

True but for that I have Rillaboom which can stack Gsurge recovery on top of potential lefties

[random wagon]

Id say just try ting-lu (probs a helm set but you can experiment with smth like lefties) and see how it goes

[ornate cloak]

Ye

Again, torn is obvs good here but I'm just not comfortable with it so maybe that's a me problem, idk

[cursive mason]

beak is super popular when paired with smeargle and then has been seeing usage on other squads

being able to 2hko csr is nice

and prob gets you other calcs

[ivory drift]

Im struggling to find a need for urshifu.. who would a decent replacement be yall think?

Maybe a special sweeper?
But idk who would best play into a double restricted format as a sweeper 🤔

[ivory drift]

Ohh maybe a counter lunala answer?

Bloodmoom ursa?

[random wagon]

@strange slate post your team here

[strange slate]

https://pokepast.es/5fbd97f3f0ae257a
it feels like Rillaboom does nothing but im not sure what to replace him with

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[broken shuttle]

hmm

i think here you could test

AV groudon with volcarona>rillaboom

[strange slate]

so replace rilla with volcarona?

[broken shuttle]

yeah

and give groudon the AV

because that makes it way bulkier & helps it take on stuff like csr/miraidon a lot better

[strange slate]

csr?

[broken shuttle]

calyrex-shadow-rider

[strange slate]

aha

alr ill try that

what Volcarona set?

and what should my 4th groudon move be

and like what does volcarona do/get me

[broken shuttle]

Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Rage Powder
• Protect
• Heat Wave
• Tailwind

basically redirection + tailwind

you can go struggle bug + overheat as your moves also

[strange slate]

Tailwind? but i use trick room

[broken shuttle]

over protect + heat wave

[broken shuttle]

i mean

your team is definitely fast enough to use both

[strange slate]

alr

[broken shuttle]

it makes you more flexible overall

[strange slate]

ill try it

so when should i take Volcarona?

[broken shuttle]

into calyrex-s balance and teams you need redirection into basically

so like

if there's a mon on the opponent's team that threatens one of your mons that is otherwise good into them

then that would be a good time to use volcarona

or if their team is naturally faster than yours and doesn't have their own tailwind

[pearl valley]

one very very very slight problem: im on scarlet

[broken shuttle]

if you go back to area zero you can get a second koraidon

then you can use a trade code to trade koraidon for miraidon

👍

[pearl valley]

i made some stupid changes (e.g. csr instead of cir, zacian over terapagos because of the miraidon weakness, ogerpon water, adding tornadus)

because none of the pokemon on that team benefited from trick room

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/653db250052fb32a
I think I'm ready for reg j

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[sleek laurel]

👍

There's no theory for Reg J yet

But there's nothing

Glaringly wrong here

Maybe like

Consider Calm Mind on Mage

And generally try a few different moves, Baton Pass is also generally not that useful with this team

Try like Calm Mind > Baton Pass I'd say, but the team looks good enough for an extremely early meta reg

[ornate cloak]

Reg H balance

https://pokepast.es/6a03bc9658970513

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[broken shuttle]

i think other than ape your archaludon and dondozo answers are pretty limited

realistically unless you can guarantee you get the gambit on both of them they pretty much can just boost past and win here

i would suggest going sneasler over farigaraf

this allows you to actually hit archaludon with something other than ape pre- and post- tera

& then rather than cm draining kiss on primarina i would suggest just running hvoice/moonblast/haze or perish song/protect

this plugs your dondozo matchup a lot and can help out against archaludon in a pinch

you can also consider palafin over primarina here realistically but that’s more up to you

[rain coral]

Okay,here is my team, is not competitive, I just wanted to make it good for playing doubles

I'd prefrer to change the less posible this team

Sorry if my english is bad

[pearl valley]

https://pokepast.es/4463cd04714d14ac ditching calyrex ice rider

[ornate cloak]

Alr so sash Sneasler and tspray prim?

[broken shuttle]

throat spray works, you can keep leftovers also

[ornate cloak]

Eh I'll go tspray

And sash on Sneasler yh?

Protect
Tchop
Claw
Cc

@broken shuttle

Stupidity (Sneasler) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Acrobatics
• Close Combat
• Throat Chop
• Dire Claw

Is this fine?

[broken shuttle]

fake out protect over acro tchop

rely on your partners to hit ghold

and go tera stellar

[ornate cloak]

Wait that wasn't meant to be acro myb 😭

Stupidity (Sneasler) (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Protect
• Close Combat
• Fake Out
• Dire Claw

?

[broken shuttle]

yes

you can also do poison touch but it doesn't matter too much

[ornate cloak]

Eh

Dire Claw gambling is way more interesting

[broken shuttle]

ftr poison touch stacks with dire claw

so it just makes you more likely to poison overall in addition to the sleep & para

[ornate cloak]

Ye but like

[broken shuttle]

but yeah the distinction is so niche it doesn't rly matter

[ornate cloak]

Equally gambling between all three is more fun as stupid as it sounds

[broken shuttle]

was just letting u know incase u were not aware of the mechanic

[ornate cloak]

Nah ik that pt stacks with dclaw but I js prefer playing the odds of maybe getting sleep or para instead

Even if those odds can potentially lose me the game

[pearl valley]

thoughts?

[rain coral]

Pls guys

[granite plinth]

Not quite sure about this one
https://pokepast.es/726d561b28668eaa

[broken shuttle]

drop ogerpon-w for whimsicott

it's kind of redundant here when you already have urshifu

& tailwind helps you a lot here

[broken shuttle]

what format are you building this for

& what are you trying to do with it

also

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[rain coral]

Just want to play casually

[broken shuttle]

this probably isn't the place to ask then, we give competitive advice for VGC formats

[rain coral]

And advice for just doubles??

[broken shuttle]

you can try in the DOU rates channel, but i am not sure they will be able to help you either

[broken shuttle]

i think the only real things i would change here are like

• hydro pump > origin pulse on ogre (zama is still in the format and good so u should probably have a way to hit it
• protect > psychic on landorus

arc ev spread could probably be tuned a bit more but realistically it's fast enough to where max/max is fine

[pearl valley]

that’s all?

[broken shuttle]

yeah i mean if you're committed to using chomp then that's all

it should work

[robust pilot]

What do you think about that team https://pokepast.es/32623f228948733c tera type on arceus is Water sorry

[rain coral]

Oh,I just wanted to know who i should change

[robust pilot]

That team destroys everything on showdown lol

[pearl valley]

is that really an arceus

[robust pilot]

Yes

[pearl valley]

yeah no

Theres a thing called “Urshifu Rapid Strike”

[robust pilot]

But it just works without it

For me

I know

Theres something called urshifu

Its something like bear or idk what its even it

[untold relic]

this hurts to look at

bro is running arceus + chien-pao but it's not ekiller 💔

[pearl valley]

no it wipes your team’s ass

like it might work up until 1250-1300 but then people are gonna use koriadon zacian etc

which will cripple arceaus

[drowsy folio]

Reg J is legal right?

[drowsy folio]

v

https://pokepast.es/1b324aaf66a729e5

here we go

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[drowsy folio]

i like making shit like this

should i run tr on magerna too??

over sub

[sleek laurel]

Ice Punch on Ursa is an unmove (Facade will severely outdamage a supereffective Ice Punch on anything other than a quad-Ice Punch weakness, which there are none)

Run Earthquake, or Substitute/Swords Dance is also fine

Yes, you probably want Trick Room on Magearna

You also don't want Sitrus Berry on Incineroar because it's either denied by every relevant Restricted, or the Restricted runs over Incineroar anyway; probably use Covert if Helmet and Goggles are both taken

Or the AV set

Covert is a meme item but still better than the berries atm

On Incin*

Its not a meme item in general dont take it out of context 😭

[drowsy folio]

cloak might work

and SD ursa

[sleek laurel]

Ye

[drowsy folio]

let me try that

[sleek laurel]

SD is good to counteract Intimidate

[drowsy folio]

done

anyrthing else?

[sleek laurel]

Tera Type on Ursa but probs a misinput

Other than that no

Oh and on Mage too

Which admittedly I'm not sure what Tera Type you want on it

Probably Water

[drowsy folio]

both are tera ghost and grass

[sleek laurel]

Grass is good too yea

[drowsy folio]

tera grass magerna might work better

[sleek laurel]

Forgot abt Amoong there for a moment

Yea

[robust pilot]

I changed arceus type to ground is it better now?

[unique spoke]

https://pokepast.es/acd83c96d1feb7f1

Idk js was bored n wanted to use miraidon ICR core and trying to get back into vgc

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[drowsy folio]

why brick break on ursaluna?

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/6c8f784f07d4f1ab

this is a joke team but still

[drowsy folio]

it's good

evs needs some work

[covert hill]

hello everyone, I saw that there will be a new regulation where mythicals are allowed

which deoxys form would be the best for this format?

[drowsy folio]

it's based on team

but attack form Psyspam is a well known thing

also top picks are arc and magerna

[rare hill]

for evs i just take whatever smogon says I ain't very good at em myself

[drowsy folio]

Ps gives default

but sample sets have better evs

[rare hill]

alr

I was really hung up on either iron def/press or gy-ball TR

[drowsy folio]

u can remove gyro ball and run safe guard saved u from spore

and run chesto

not useful in Gen 9 but zong might work with it

[rare hill]

so the set should be-
trick room
gravity

hypnosis

and safe guard?

since I built zong to have gravity with hypno

my friend came up with gravity team so I made one

that sounds good in theory but like I was thinking of either g-ball to take down tera-fairy miraidon, tera-fairy CSR and flutter mane in the format

or body press

to at least hit some for neutral

bcuz bronzong pretty dang slow

[drowsy folio]

u can go tr,safeguard,gyro,HH

[rare hill]

hh i think is hypnosis?

ohh

helping hand

aight

[drowsy folio]

zong is not good at time

but this set might work

[covert hill]

what time would you recommend then

[drowsy folio]

time??

[covert hill]

I tried building this team but it's quite bad

I meant team

sorry

https://pokepast.es/fa87d7ee3262cd9c

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[drowsy folio]

try deede and deoxys psyspam

[covert hill]

and what do I pair it with?

[drowsy folio]

deede,deoxys,CIR,ammoungus,incin and maybe ursaluna

deede and deoxys can be lead burst damage

and u can go tr mode if needed

[covert hill]

huh I never thought abt that

I'll think abt it and then send it again but thanks!

I did this small scratch team

https://pokepast.es/3f5e75996c5b75d1

[drowsy folio]

well u can't use lunala

due to it being a restricted

also try shadow ball over espeed on deoxys

to hit CSR

[covert hill]

oh right I forgot you can only bring 2 restricted right?

well what about hat tho

she's also a trick room setter

[drowsy folio]

and u can keep psyco boost but i would run something like super power to hit incin and zama if needed

[drowsy folio]

fari works

[covert hill]

but wouldn't hat be better tho, I already have the psychic field for the priority moves

[drowsy folio]

there are mons like mirai and rilla that can change terrain

so fari works in that case

[covert hill]

yeah you're right

I forgot that in this reg there are more terrain mons

[drowsy folio]

there are like 2 main

mirai and rilla

https://pokepast.es/9d98643d996f59fd this is what i use in Reg J

[covert hill]

ok what about now

https://pokepast.es/fc0333ed520e5040

[drowsy folio]

use the set i use for CIR

else seems fine

try practicing

[drowsy folio]

and if u want i can help u test the team

[jovial creek]

You dont need farig and indeedee

I also wouldn't run deoxys with cir, they have very opposing roles

[drowsy folio]

fast mons work on hard tr

at least for me

[sleek laurel]

They do but not Deoxys

And also

Not if its your second Restricted

[drowsy folio]

okay i leave it to you guys. u have better meta knowledge i keep using weird shit

[sleek laurel]

If your team has two Restricteds and they can't be reliably brought in the same game, you're in a power disadvantage on every single game

[sleek laurel]

Dw about it but yea lol

[drowsy folio]

wait till i tell about my stall team in Regional

with pp stall

good days of USUM

[unique spoke]

Screens set up

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/121d2494b89f724f
Since reg H is back i wanted to run bax snow. My main issue with this team is just how weak it feels into sun teams like the one Marco Silva used with charizard.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unique spoke]

wdym reg H is back?

is reg I not the latest format?

[pallid saffron]

reg h is coming back soon. Online ranked will be reg J but in person will be reg H

[unique spoke]

Oh so I should just build teams in reg J 😭

Got u

i didnt know im new to VGC/getting back

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/00cac2777898855c

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rare hill]

It's a gravity team I made

[drowsy folio]

psy terrain stops prio so no need for tera ghost deede and on deede run seed

and chesto works with safe guard better

u can drop it for mental herb

and levitate zong is better

u can run tera water if needed for fire

also on hard tr 2 setters are fine and max u need is 3

no need for 5

over P2 try something like ammoungus

and get something for incin

also if u wanna run armarouge tera grass is better with flash fire

and u can also drop tr on it and run like eball or protect

and heat wave is better for spread damage if needed but acanon works too

also fake out on deede is useless

try psychic over it

or dgleem

[sleek laurel]

^ all of this, with the addition of some fixes on the Ursaluna set

Headlong Rush is far preferred over High Horsepower (the Power increase and perfect Accuracy, particularly the former; far outweigh the Defense drops, especially on such an offensive team), and Rock Slide is funny to click but it just deals too little damage; a neutral Facade will far outdamage a supereffective Rock Slide, and a resisted Facade will deal essentially the same damage, not even accounting for Tera Normal (😭).

Ursaluna's last move should probably be Earthquake, spread damage is really valuable when it's actually significant, but you can also consider Substitute or Swords Dance if you find Earthquake gets you little value or side-hurts too much, which shields from specific sorts of damage/Intimidate (once setup) (Substitute) or outright counteracts Intimidate (Swords Dance)

Oh, and on a side note, Heat Wave on Armarouge does kind of leave you 100% bodied by opposing Wide Guard, but there aren't as many good users of it as there were in Reg I in particular

Armor Cannon also deals more damage anyway tho, so it's probably a "test both" case, whatever seems to help you more (I would try Cannon myself tho, at least at first)

[spare plume]

I'm struggling to find a 6th Pokémon to go with this Reg J tr team, and Lurantis Contrary was an idea I've been wanting to test out for a while now, just struggling to round out this team

one small change is indeedee tera is water*

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/031273d6adb74550

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[loud hamlet]

advice is always welcome

[drowsy folio]

why clam fari??

[drowsy folio]

also magerna can be lefties with tera grass

and sub

let it sit behind a sub and get strong

[broken shuttle]

i think encore is super unnecessary on mag here, i would recommend flash cannon instead

[drowsy folio]

clam on CIR

[broken shuttle]

lefties CIR is fine as is lorb mag

i think on CIR mag you really want final gambit ape

[drowsy folio]

not necesarrily

it's just to lead with mag and get +2

[broken shuttle]

on what is basically HTR like this you do👍

[drowsy folio]

but a good player will shut it down

not saying it's bad but it's too predictable

[broken shuttle]

but yeah
flash cannon > encore mag
final gambit scarf ape > urshifu
safety goggles > clam farig
make your amoonguss level 50
earth power > clear smog torkoal

you have leech seed caly & amoonguss smog on torkoal is useless here

[drowsy folio]

i'm still against ape but u can try it

[broken shuttle]

ape is good because it forces very specific counterplay and allows you to setup board states where mag gets a free + 2 in trick room

it works here because with this team you always want to be in trick room

[broken shuttle]

which speaking of, realistically this should always be indeedee-f instead of farigaraf here

you want goggles indeedee to redirect spore while giving terrain control & not forcing farig onto the field for priority block

[drowsy folio]

https://pokepast.es/909274c310712280

this is what i use

[broken shuttle]

what does the mag spread do

[drowsy folio]

survives +1 astral

and survives blitz non stab

and 36 spatk just to get some fire power

[broken shuttle]

this team is too slow methinks, you need to slot something faster here with real offensive pressure

[drowsy folio]

+1 252 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 112+ SpD Magearna: 192-226 (52.7 - 62%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[broken shuttle]

although i guess kyogre probably isn't real in reg J

[drowsy folio]

my team is fine i made it after all calcs and shit

[broken shuttle]

yeah this is not worth losing modest

[drowsy folio]

even modest a +1 never kills

[broken shuttle]

all of that for it to not even dodge the 2HKO is wasted investment

[drowsy folio]

not gonna argue,just let me use my team,i know what i'm doing

[broken shuttle]

why did you even send it here then

[steep mesa]

vgc rates and doesnt let ppl rate zzz

[cursive mason]

unfortunately I see it a good bit on ladder

[broken shuttle]

okay yeah

then that team gets like

6-0'd LMAO

[cursive mason]

it's not like smthing you can afford to ignore

even if it's not amazing

[drowsy folio]

i used a same team in SWSH regional,i had deede over fari and it did well

[broken shuttle]

magearna was never legal for IRL swsh events

[drowsy folio]

it was

i can bet on it

it was legal in series 13

[cursive mason]

yeah there was like one s13 regional but it was a taiwan one I think

[drowsy folio]

kinda yes

series 13 did held a few events

[broken shuttle]

didn't know about taipei

[drowsy folio]

not being rude but people argue over anything in this server

[cursive mason]

also regardless that was a very very different meta

[drowsy folio]

kinda same shit u just had no legend restriction

[cursive mason]

yeah but there were different threats not to mention dynamax

[drowsy folio]

dynamax was the best gimmick. but i will do changes as needed to my team,it was sent to give an example on magerna tr team

i will ask if i need help

[crude otter]

you send teams here to get them rated, if you do not intend to listen to advice do not post here.

is that clear

[drowsy folio]

ok

where is OM rates btw?

[crude otter]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059657287293222912

[drowsy folio]

thanks

[viscid notch]

https://pokepast.es/c9a93a7395b49fa9
Semi TR team, mainly just wanted to build around lunala+koraidon

[drowsy folio]

what booster is Bonnet?

[viscid notch]

?

Wdym?

[drowsy folio]

which stat does sun boosts

[viscid notch]

Defense

[drowsy folio]

tera fairy bolt

and just add tw and u have a Tw team

cause like only 2 mons take advantage of tr here

ursaluna and Brute bonnet

also ammoungus us just better in tr if u r running it

also this team loses to hard tr and Tw HO both

specially to CSR

[sleek laurel]

Untitled 1085.

Anyway

Team looks fine by default, Amoonguss > Brute Bonnet is a genuine consideration

However

[sleek laurel]

This is not recommended because

Lunala itself takes advantage of its own Trick Room

And you have Flutter Mane already

[viscid notch]

Alright

[sleek laurel]

Which is usually enough for fast-paced Koraidon + Lunala teams

[sleek laurel]

Wait

[viscid notch]

Do you mean chi yu?

[sleek laurel]

No I blanked out hard there

Its 6 14

[viscid notch]

Lol

[sleek laurel]

You probably want to replace Bolt or Chi-Yu w Mane here

[viscid notch]

Alright

[sleek laurel]

Probably Bolt

But either one can work

But you need Flutter for your fast-paced mode

[viscid notch]

I'll prob swap out bolt ngl

[sleek laurel]

Otherwise CSR just eats you alive yea

[sleek laurel]

Also since its AV Bolt, Tera Fairy can be considered

As aforementioned BUT

[viscid notch]

https://pokepast.es/982a1935b0ea615c
Any other changes?

[sleek laurel]

Altho wait

Youre just

Oh my GOD

I am not

REMOTELY FUNCTIONAL rn 😭

[viscid notch]

Lmfao

I can wait, dw

[sleek laurel]

This is good

At principle

It feels painful to have to replace Bolt tbh but you need Flutter

[viscid notch]

Hm

[sleek laurel]

But let me wake up properly first

[viscid notch]

I could replace chi yu maybe

sure

[sleek laurel]

Nah

Well maybe even

[drowsy folio]

why tera normal flutter

[sleek laurel]

You can try both ways

[sleek laurel]

Its for the Ghost-type immunity but

I am personally a Fairy or Stellar enjoyer

[drowsy folio]

isn't fairy just better

[sleek laurel]

But not to play it as bad

I like it more too but Normal is fine

[sleek laurel]

Try both ways btw

[viscid notch]

I can prob do fairy yeah

[drowsy folio]

also after mbeam how to u plan to hit incin

[viscid notch]

Alright

[drowsy folio]

from lunala

[sleek laurel]

That one cant be helped

W Lunala

Moongeist wg tr are undroppable

If it comes down to a hypothetical 1v1

[drowsy folio]

than just run another tr setter over something like chi yu and give lunala Mblast over tr

[sleek laurel]

That's a bit hard to fit properly

And this team has enough Incineroar tools

Korai Ursaluna and Meteor Beam itself

Hypothetically, if you come down to a 1v1

[drowsy folio]

but still hard tr can be a problem

[sleek laurel]

Hard TR can be a bit of an issue yea

But you have

Amoonguss
Ursaluna
Wide Guard Lunala

[drowsy folio]

ok but spore the lunala

[sleek laurel]

On the Hard TR mu you probably bring those four

[drowsy folio]

and u run free with shit like lance

[sleek laurel]

(Thosee three and Korai)

Yea its disadvantageous but not

Unplayable

[drowsy folio]

it's hard to win against

[sleek laurel]

Also that's just mons you can't have a positive mu against everything

But uhhhhh

[drowsy folio]

u gotta have some hard MU

[sleek laurel]

Reverse TR w/Lunala or bring it in the back is a few options

Its 6:21 AM I will do a bit more thorough checking on this later