VGC Rates

[ripe turret]

or you could try AV

[glacial lotus]

Probably going with rocky helm

[ripe turret]

kk

[glacial lotus]

Why hearthflame tho

Just curious

[ripe turret]

idt you need wellspring here as in my experience it’s usually a kyogre counter which you shouldn’t really have too much trouble with lol

and I think the fire coverage from hearthflame is useful

[glacial lotus]

Wait

Does rock hit electric for se?

[ripe turret]

nope

rock hits bug, fire, ice, and flying for SE

only type that hits elec is ground

[glacial lotus]

Owh oki ill use hearthflame tysm for the help :D

[glacial lotus]

Could i run fake tears on whimsicott to help mirai ko some hard to kill mons

[ripe turret]

what’s your set right now

[glacial lotus]

On?

[ripe turret]

whims

also I’m heading onto an airplane for a few hours so sorry if I don’t respond

[glacial lotus]

All good

I just had dinner so sorry for the late reply

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 180 HP / 108 SpD / 220 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Taunt
• Tailwind
• Protect
• Moonblast

I gave up on fake tears cuz uh

Cir loves his amulet

[ripe turret]

go for encore over protect and light screen over taunt

[glacial lotus]

Alr

[ripe turret]

encore is just too valuable to not have, and light screen helps immensely with spatkers

[glacial lotus]

What do i use encore for?

[ripe turret]

lock mons into fake out, protect, setup moves

[glacial lotus]

Ah

[ripe turret]

basically makes playing defensive against whims a living hell

[glacial lotus]

Funni

[ripe turret]

you could keep taunt over light screen

depends on how you feel your TR matchup is

[glacial lotus]

Ive done awful against tr

Ive dropped 100 elo😭

[ripe turret]

ok yeah then keep taunt lol

[ripe turret]

hope you recover 😭 🙏

[glacial lotus]

Im so cooked 😔✌️

[ripe turret]

oh yeah and go with tera dark/water instead of ghost

dark to prevent prankster moves, water for a strong defensive type

[glacial lotus]

Alright ty sir

[ripe turret]

make urshifu scarf tera water and give lando lorb

[ripe turret]

yup ofc

[ripe turret]

give ogre some bulk investment, too

also it lowkey looks like you have no way of dealing with TR

so you can give chien-pao taunt or smth over sacred sword

and personally I think sacred sword or swords dance as a last move on zac are better than sub

but that one’s more up to you

[glacial lotus]

Ive just seen snarl miraidon

And yk maybe my team isnt so bad

[ripe turret]

snarl is actually the most common 4th move on AV sets lol

[glacial lotus]

Im pretty sure he was specs

Cuz

I terad to fairy

And he just kept using it

[ripe turret]

[glacial lotus]

He didnt edrift or nothing

[ripe turret]

welllll maybe they just wanted the damage reduction

[glacial lotus]

😭

Also i almost lost

To that

Cuz the surge surfer raichu

Parad me

And

I almost lost

Yippee

[ripe turret]

alolan raichu???

in VGC???

what elo are you playing at 😭

[glacial lotus]

1200💀

Bro wtf is disable caly shadow

[glacial lotus]

Yes bro

Weirdly enough its decent

Cuz electro web and nuzzle spam

Man

[glacial lotus]

I dropped 50 more elo😔

[ripe turret]

that’s more normal

[ripe turret]

ok maybe take a break for today lmao

[ripe turret]

than alolan raichu

[glacial lotus]

Ay bro alolan raichu is decent

But

Icy wind iron val is prob better

[ripe turret]

or

just flutter mane…

[glacial lotus]

Yea

[ripe turret]

:p

[glacial lotus]

Idk

I aint the one using alolan raichu in vgc

[ripe turret]

lmao

[glacial lotus]

Destiny bond iron val is a different story

[glacial lotus]

Is tailroom still good

Cuz

I fought a miraidon

Who was slower than iron val i think

Or was it urshifu

I don’t remember

[ripe turret]

yes

tailroom is like always a staple strategy lol

[glacial lotus]

Dang

I barely see it

Also i almost got cheesed by glae wings defog seperior

[ripe turret]

💀

bro’s out here playing VGC UU

[glacial lotus]

It was in DOU😭

[hallow bridge]

First team! What item do I put on landorous T?
https://pokepast.es/a77c77620b1bdb0d
Pm in response 🙏

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[glacial lotus]

What regulation is this?

Cuz if its reg i then u should have another restricted

Also why toxic orb on tatsugiri?

And u should put safety goggles on incin

[hallow bridge]

Vgc 2025

[glacial lotus]

Regulation

Like

Reg G?

I forgot which regulation has one restrict

[hallow bridge]

Cuz endure on tatsu, volt switch miraidon into tatsu, tatsu goes into dondozo mouth, tatsu kills itself then I send out another pokemon

[hallow bridge]

I

[glacial lotus]

Ur supposed to use 2 restricted in regulation I

Also im not super sure but i think rillaboom with miraidon is bad

Cuz if u send them out at the same time miraidon loses eterrain

But im not sure

What are u using lando t for?

[wanton abyss]

Thank you for sharing your team! Miraidon and Rillaboom have antisynergy, and are only used together on very specific compositons, like with e-seed volcarona. i'm also curious what your reason for picking lando-t in this format

your move choice is also unorthodox. i'd like to hear your reasoning as to why you picked the moves you did on dozo, rilla, incin, and lando-t

and, as someone else has mentioned, you are missing a second restricted

[glacial lotus]

Would something like supportive lunala work better than lando/rillaboom?

Or zamazenta

For wideguard

[wanton abyss]

That depends on the team builder's goal. with the pieces presented, I would imagine Zamazenta or Caly-Ice to be better partners than Lunala

Lunala is for teams with strong trick room modes. that's often why you see lunala/ursaluna compositions

[glacial lotus]

He could go tailroom with caly ice

Switch lando for whims

Cuz dondozo could do well in trick room

[wanton abyss]

tailroom with dondozo leaves little room for other supportive pieces. if they're going dondozo, then caly-shadow with encore+disable is another viable option

[hallow bridge]

Never played any team build stuff so I kinda js threw it together

[hallow bridge]

So first round miraidon can get extra DMG if I wanna ohko smth. Rilla to switch in so my dondozo doesn't get ohkoed by a boosted electric move

[hallow bridge]

Counter electric

[wanton abyss]

that's fair! i would recommend using websites like pikalytics and labmaus to help you develop movesets for your teams. they give usage stats on commonly used pokemon and their moves

[wanton abyss]

if you're looking to beat other electric types, another strategy would be using tera grass on dondozo and then teaching your dondozo earthquake

[glacial lotus]

I knew i wasnt tweaking when i thought dondozo got eq

[wanton abyss]

of course, the only real electric type you need to be beating is Miraidon, and you probably want that dead before you lock in Dondozo. In that case, may I recommend Scarf Lando-Incarnate? Better special attack stat and able to OHKO miraidon before it moves

it applies pressure to miraidon and prevents it from doing whatever it wants

[wanton abyss]

i see the vision, but this strategy assumes you are leading miraidon every single match, which is not wise. you need more flexible strategies

[glacial lotus]

He could use ammongus instead of rilla

For pollen piff healing

And redirection cuz amoongus can tank a edrift iirc

[wanton abyss]

if your amoonguss is in front of a miraidon, there's a good chance they draco meteor you instead of volt switching, which does kill every version of amoonguss

it does limit their options, yes, but it also limits yours, as you can't spore in eterrain

[glacial lotus]

Goddamn it i forgot abt that

[wanton abyss]

at any rate, @hallow bridge i would like you to take into account some of what we've discussed here and make some changes accordingly. i hope it will give you more flexibility when playing and lead to better matches

[hallow bridge]

Tysm

[hallow bridge]

K thx

[hallow bridge]

What do u use to check interactions?

[kind trench]

Hi, i keep going to the wrong channels, Artic sent me to this one, Artic has looked at my team but i was also wondering if i could get an opinon from here on my team if possible please? https://pokepast.es/5527d903138b2cca

[drifting onyx]

Hey @kind trench, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9doublesou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059655497587888158 instead.

[kind trench]

also i accidentally left the builder in DOU and forgot to set it to Reg I

[kind trench]

actually, sorry, ignore this and the link ive relaised theres alot more i need to fix

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https://pokepast.es/7097e2883a82ea2f

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[jovial creek]

looks fine

[strong zealot]

silly mistakes in the builder

[hallow bridge]

https://pokepast.es/0b7ac586016391cb
Thoughts?

Reg I btw

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/d1ec18c24fc57a04 rate my team I just got back to VGC after a break

[ripe turret]

the mons look like they could work, but the sets need a major overhaul.

probably the most important thing is that hazards (other than toxic spikes on geezing dozo teams) are not very impactful compared to in single battles. this is because generally, you'll be switching less often in double battles.

with that being said, spikes and heavy duty boots are a waste of a move and item. switch out spikes for heat crash on groudon and heavy duty boots for leftovers, and give groudon the clamulet instead. also, I have seen will o wisp run on a few groudon, but most of the time they will run either swords dance, bulk up, or (I think) high horsepower in that slot.

secondly, urshifu does not fit on this team with the set that you are currently using since its water type attacks are weakened by the sun. you could run a coaching set instead so that it can at least do something next to groudon.

third of all, ho-oh wants protect and tailwind over earthquake and recover. tailwind, even on a non-prankster mon, is invaluable to have on your team, as the speed control it provides can flip games in an instant, and protect is for obvious reasons. change its tera to grass to resist the water and electric moves that hit it for super-effective damage.

and after that, there are just a few other small changes like moonblast over dgleam and protect over shadow ball on flutter, knock off over will o wisp on incineroar, and protect over clear smog on amoonguss (although that one is more up to you).

the EVs need a little fixing, too.

I'll send you the sets in a sec.

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 236 HP / 236 Def / 36 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk / 27 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Bold Nature

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Coaching

Ho-Oh @ Leftovers
Level: 50
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 156 Def / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Tera Type: Grass
Adamant Nature

• Sacred Fire
• Brave Bird
• Tailwind
• Protect

Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: Drought
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Atk / 92 Def / 28 SpD / 68 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• Swords Dance
• Protect

explanations for the EVs are on the smogdex in case you're curious.

[ripe turret]

the mons are good but the EVs need a little changing

since you have AV ogre, invest some more into its bulk

super fast incin is fine I guess, personally I don't like it but if it works for you then it's fine

landorus 100% wants 252 speed EVs, putting the leftovers into its HP with 4 in each defense allows it to take a tera water surging strikes from jolly scarf shifu I think (adamant has like a 1% chance to ohko)

and amoonguss wants to have 236 defense EVs which allows it to take both a glacial lance from max atk cir and an icicle crash from pao

along with 27 speed IVs to underspeed even the slowest CIR and ursaluna in TR

AV ogre is a little weird in this reg, you could go with a mystic water set but again it's up to you

[hallow bridge]

Ty

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/a0b35403d02bc77e Zama plus korai this is one of those ideas i got and couldnt let go of lol

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[hallow bridge]

What's the most common haze or stat reset user other that amoongus in vgc reg I

[rare hill]

I think that would be murkrow

[hallow bridge]

K

[sleek laurel]

Murkrow but it's unviable

Clear Smog Amoonguss is the only actually viable stat resetter in Reg I

unless I forgot one but I really think I didn't

[rare hill]

hey guys I tryna make a sun team and I can't figure out my last 2 pokemon-
Koraidon
CSR
Weez-Galar
Chi-yu

what else should I put

[tiny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/d7f8fa4991e80e35 help!

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[ripe turret]

dozo+giri

[ripe turret]

no problems that I could see tbh

[tiny cairn]

z

[broken shuttle]

your flutter mane amoonguss and tornadus don't have natures

[tiny cairn]

i fixed that literally 30 seconds ago LMAOO

[broken shuttle]

knock torn is pretty bad, swap it for taunt
bc you swapped for taunt torn make it icy wind flutter mane
goggles csr is pretty bad— i would recommend spell tag instead as it helps to secure damage rolls that you miss without it

i think you should probably go nasty plot caly here asw, bc the rest of the team would do a good job at supporting it

seems like it would fit well here

something you could also consider is making the flutter mane into incineroar & running sash calyrex

that would be pretty consistent

[tiny cairn]

alr

[broken shuttle]

i would also suggest jolly koraidon, losing the speed tie with mirai/pao/fm/opposing korai is pretty bad

[tiny cairn]

i just want something to take advantage of the sun a bit more

[broken shuttle]

especially if you aren't bulky

[broken shuttle]

realistically koraidon does that fine for itself

[tiny cairn]

okayokay that makes sense

other than that is it okay? it's my second real team attempt

[broken shuttle]

ye, make those changes and it should work better

[tiny cairn]

okay cool

[broken shuttle]

but feel free to work out what feels best in testing

[tiny cairn]

thank you so much

[broken shuttle]

totes🤠

[trail agate]

Wanted to try playing Swordfish. The reason Tornadus is Sharp Beak Tera Flying Hurricane is because I was hoping to delete a Rillaboom with it.

https://pokepast.es/b6fce2f10bee27d7

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[broken shuttle]

i like this a lot, i think the only real issue i have is that you should go protect over taunt on torn— rn your opponents can just fake out and remove torn t1 for free & completely deny you tailwind which is pretty bad for you

i think you can also consider swords dance zacian here over sacred sword

between SD & tera fairy play rough you already hit zama really strongly

& kyogre does a really good job of forcing zama to tera already so sacred isn't entirely needed

you can also consider Iron Hands>Rillaboom if you want a bit more incin hate after testing— however if rilla's been doing well then feel free to disregard, it's just smth to consider

[sonic wind]

No Farigiraf zzz

[broken shuttle]

grr go back to vgc uu

[tiny cairn]

i know that i was in here like yesterday but i got pissed off after missing too many bleakwinds and made a new team can i get some opinions LMAOOO https://pokepast.es/8e9b50331174fc02

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[broken shuttle]

only thing that looks off is the rilla set, what is impish rilla for?

also jolly urshifu is pretty mid

use adamant

[tiny cairn]

i misclicked on the rilla i'll fix it tn

i'll change urshifu

good other than that?

happy i'm getting better at this

[ripe turret]

is max/max zama a thing?

[tiny cairn]

i just like having a super powerful body press but i'd totally be open to changing it

[ripe turret]

Zamazenta-Crowned @ Rusted Shield
Level: 50
Ability: Dauntless Shield
EVs: 100 HP / 4 Atk / 236 Def / 4 SpD / 164 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Behemoth Bash
• Wide Guard
• Protect

this is the more standard set

with some bulk investment

basically what it does is let zama live lorb close combat from korai

[tiny cairn]

oh alr

ill put that in

tysm

[main shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/0d476b85323c4a21
Is this a good team I modified one of somebody else’s teams

[broken shuttle]

max max is fine

realistically having the faster zama is very good in the mirror so

[ripe turret]

oh ok

[broken shuttle]

i wouldn't recommend it on every team but it works there

[broken shuttle]

drop helping hand on ape for close combat (you're rather click coaching than helping hand ever), also go tera dark zacian here— it does what tera normal does but better essentially

feels a touch zamazenta weak,

go flame charge over scale shot, it's much better & more consistent as it allows you to get a lot of damage off without relying on dice or luck to have scale shot hit

[main shuttle]

Ok thanks actually that was amazing

[sage burrow]

https://pokepast.es/55706d598b77a931
Hello!, would love some tips on any improvements I could make for this team before a small tournament im joining soon! while im confident in this team i feel that its still lacking in terms of type matchups when facing Calyrex teams so any help would be greatly appreciated!

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[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/6cd1861682130553

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[glacial lotus]

Uh

Ive been getting wrecked by other miraidons and cirs

I was hoping to make changes to help with those 2

[broken shuttle]

easy fix for miraidon, make whims light screen

[glacial lotus]

Instead of taunt?

[broken shuttle]

no

protect

[glacial lotus]

Oh

Alr

[broken shuttle]

as for cir, you have zama oger-h and incin

should be fine

esp with light screen to help in the mirror

you could consider specs miraidon

helps you force damage into cir a lot more effectively

[glacial lotus]

Does uh

Does armor tail block taunt

From prankster

[broken shuttle]

yes

[glacial lotus]

Darn

[glacial lotus]

Alr

Does specs mirai run 3 electric moves or no

[broken shuttle]

usually it runs draco drift volt and tera fairy dgleam

[jovial creek]

if you have a ground type though you can sometimes afford discharge

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https://pokepast.es/83c03cfde46bf92e

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[sleek laurel]

(Perfect clone of a tried and true team)

It's good lol

[fading atlas]

oh, I didn't even know this team had already been created

🤡

[sleek laurel]

Lmao, dw about it

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/137e8da2c6a77468

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/9d6b6d1f4db73c1c a TR team i made

[pallid lance]

https://pokepast.es/3e368694f82ae7eb Threw some shit together quick quick

[ripe turret]

feels like you have one too many support pieces, I would get rid of amoonguss for a sweeper like torkoal or something

everything else looks ok though

[ripe turret]

I don't think pagos ogre is a good core

both suck against wide guard, both get cooked by korai, etc etc

and I don't think jugulis is good

feels like tera fairy lunala walls basically your entire team

something like lunala koraidon would be very difficult to deal with I think

[pallid lance]

just cooked tera fairy lunala

i wouldve put archaludon instead of oger but i had an AV user already and wasnt too sure if power herb arch was good or not

it also allows me to almost kill a kyogre

[ripe turret]

yeah idt arch is good this reg

[pallid lance]

does huge dmg on caly ice or forces a tera

jug is there for caly shadow

and for rilla

[ripe turret]

I mean

[pallid lance]

also speed control

[ripe turret]

you already have incin

pagos

for csr

[pallid lance]

whats csr

[ripe turret]

calyrex shadow rider

[pallid lance]

ah

[ripe turret]

I think you could probably replace it with tornadus

[pallid lance]

i also like it cuz it cant get prio'd like fake out and encore all that stuff

i also have rilla at 29 IV speed to get terrain on after indeedee

[ripe turret]

ok I was wondering about that lol

jug can still get faked out

[pallid lance]

cuz indeedee annoying asf

can it?

[ripe turret]

unless you tera

[pallid lance]

oh word

nah u right

[ripe turret]

lol happens

[pallid lance]

try the team and see if changes really should be made idk

the ivs for the most part i got them off of pikalytics

[ripe turret]

oh

yeah...

[pallid lance]

what

[ripe turret]

about that

rilla's are really weird

[pallid lance]

oh?

[ripe turret]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Atk / 156 SpD / 28 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• U-turn

this is like

the most common set

ofc you could get rid of the speed

and just throw it into something else

if you want to be slower

[pallid lance]

ye

[ripe turret]

and not having wood hammer is definitely strange

usually if you want hhp you would run it over u-turn I think

[pallid lance]

ahh ok

[ripe turret]

also I think max/max ogre only really works with better speed control

[pallid lance]

u turn is huge for pivots and grassy glide feels like it does good enough dmg to not need wood hammer

hence the reason why i have hhp instead of wood hammer

[pallid lance]

huh

max/max?

[ripe turret]

like EVs

sorry

[pallid lance]

ah

[ripe turret]

tera grass with some bulk investment is better here I think

[pallid lance]

i was thinking tera water into the caly ice tera fire matchups tbh

like

i do have terapagos but like if its not on the field

[ripe turret]

max hp spout ohkos cir anyway

[pallid lance]

we have a problem

[ripe turret]

if it teras to fire

without tera it does like 80%

[pallid lance]

true that

[ripe turret]

so that shouldn't be a problem

a couple other things, drop one of thunder or ice beam for origin pulse

because you need a water move that you can click when you get low

and pagos definitely wants protect, probably over sub

[uncut harness]

rate this

thinking about making a TR team

i chose the pokemon

but not moves or evs yet

https://pokepast.es/509cb21fd33d3a9a

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[uncut harness]

thanks bot

[ripe turret]

I would suggest picking the moves first at least...

[uncut harness]

getting back into vgc is so much fun

[uncut harness]

ik but i wanted to know if on paper these pokemon can work even with a niche giratina pick

[ripe turret]

the team does look workable

[uncut harness]

i never made a tr teams so i wont know what moves to use

alr

[ripe turret]

are you trying to make hard TR?

because this looks more like a balance team

[uncut harness]

hmmm i was told hard tr wouldnt work very well with giratina

[ripe turret]

yeah

[uncut harness]

ok thats fair

so what soft tr team then?

or diff kind?

[ripe turret]

if you want soft

you kinda already have it

with these mons

[uncut harness]

do i need to put tr with caly ice

[ripe turret]

yeah

100%

and also give it to farigiraf

[uncut harness]

like with caly ice moveset or can i just replace it w something else and only have farig only have tr

ok so give it to both, isnt that hard tr?

hmm

maybe a mon instead of farig with good redirection might be better

[ripe turret]

you could do that

like hearthflame, for example

or indeedee

that would give you both

TR and redirection

but that clashes with rillaboom

having two TRs doesn't make it hard TR

hard TR is where basically your only strategy is to get TR up

[uncut harness]

ahhh ok ok

[ripe turret]

with your team you can kinda choose whether you want to set TR or not depending on the matchup

[uncut harness]

ok ok

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/1da043afb527503c adding raichu to the team has worked well im ngl

[uncut harness]

lowk if i dont i should find a way to make this team work without tr

i think imma put indeed

[ripe turret]

I think it works fine with your other mons outside of TR

[uncut harness]

ok ok

[pallid lance]

https://pokepast.es/6c6ccf4e02eceaac probably mid ahh Hard TR team

[ripe turret]

if you want hard TR hearthflame doesn't fit

go with ursaluna

[uncut harness]

ok

[ripe turret]

and min speed lunala is a lil goofy

[uncut harness]

i think ik what i am gonna do

[pallid lance]

how so

[ripe turret]

like if you're using min speed lunala

just use dawn wings at that point

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/6f81faf7fc1bc433 my tr team

[pallid lance]

min speed is minus speed correct?

[ripe turret]

yeah

[uncut harness]

wait i cant use ogerpon in reg i?

[ripe turret]

minimum speed

[pallid lance]

k

[nimble flame]

no min speed is 0 speed evs

[nimble flame]

yes great mon

[ripe turret]

you can

also what is with all the hard TRs

[pallid lance]

https://pokepast.es/0bf84b4d875e9541 dude we have the exact same team just different sets lol

thats my old tr team

[ripe turret]

aaaanyway imma head out

[nimble flame]

im more of a fan of swordfish or mirai farig crs

[uncut harness]

idk but i just thought of it bc i think giratina would benefit from it

but im not trying to make hard tr

[uncut harness]

goodnight

[main shuttle]

How I do? https://pokepast.es/a81287e1071e9dc8

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New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Is this for Regulation H? Your team has no Restricted Legendaries at all, while the current metagame (Regulation I) allows two of them

[main shuttle]

Reg I

[sleek laurel]

Edit: it can't be, there's an Urshifu

[sleek laurel]

Then I'm afraid the team is unviable, you can't build a Restricted-less team in a Restricted meta

[main shuttle]

Okay so what should I do to improve it

[sleek laurel]

What I'd recommend doingnis

Doing is*

Start off with a Restricted pairing you want to use

And then build the team around them

Do you have any two Restricteds you want to try out?

[main shuttle]

Zacian and Grayson

Groudon*

[sleek laurel]

Nice, both are really good but not sure if they work together

We can build two teams tho no worries

Anyone you wanna try first?

[main shuttle]

Probably jumpluff or whimsical

Whimsicott*

[sleek laurel]

I mean

Of the two restricteds

Lol

[main shuttle]

Oh lol my bad

[sleek laurel]

Dw

[main shuttle]

Zacian probably I’ve never done a team with him before

[sleek laurel]

Bet

Probably you want to use standard Swordfish then

It's the best Zacian composition

I can get something for you real quick if you want?

[main shuttle]

Sure go ahead

[sleek laurel]

Bet gimme a min

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/92d31d9183ef78c9

This is a pretty standard Swordfish team, there are some variations tho

[main shuttle]

That’s actually really cool

[sleek laurel]

Also feel free to change the Roaring Moon EV spread to match SmogDex, I created this one like several months ago with some specific calcs in mind but I completely forgot what it did

LMAO

[main shuttle]

lol

[sleek laurel]

So you can prob change that one if you want

Minor stuff

[main shuttle]

Thank you so much

[sleek laurel]

No problem

Hands spread is min Speed because it's there for the Trick Room matchup mainly, and Speed investing with it doesnt change much at all anyway

It lives a single target tera fairy dazzling from specs mirai as well as a spread eq from guts ursaluna on the mark too which is neat

Gl with the team!

[broken shuttle]

fwiw the smogdex one is a touch dated anyways so

i should probably submit smth to get it updated

[sleek laurel]

Oh ait

Good to know

[cobalt idol]

https://pokepast.es/8680702ce0c7ba40 I know there is only 1 restricted, but i couldnt find any good mons who i could add to the team unless i change my strat around TR

[ripe turret]

I would suggest replacing garchomp with ursaluna maybe and kingambit with zamazenta - both just do the originals' job but better

on top of that some of your sets need fixing - running miraidon without a dragon move, taunt on a scarf mon, along with all of your EVs being max/max

[cobalt idol]

was zamazenta the bulky one?

[cobalt idol]

ohh right thx didnt catch the taunt thing

[ripe turret]

yeah

[cobalt idol]

k thx

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/1099fcd80bc7a9ed here's the team mostly fixed

I did forget to change the nature on incin

oops

it should be impish with 188 def

instead of atk

[cobalt idol]

is incin a defensive pokemon?

[cobalt idol]

thx again

[ripe turret]

yeah

it's mostly there for intimidate and fake out support as well as being a tanky mon that can pivot easily

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/6b60c67d6f5e01d3

I finished the team

oh wait

the evs for giratina…

https://pokepast.es/9e0cad14a108551c

Ok now its done

[uncut harness]

hmmm now that i think about why did i put calm mind

[main shuttle]

Luv ur pfp

It’s cute

[uncut harness]

@ripe turret are you able to check this out?

[uncut harness]

tysm lmfoaoa

[main shuttle]

No

Problem

[uncut harness]

HAHA

[uncut harness]

can we battle i want to try out my team

[main shuttle]

On what?

[ripe turret]

yeah

looks pretty good overall

[uncut harness]

showdown vgc bo3

[main shuttle]

Sure how do I do that with you?

[uncut harness]

im gonna change calm mind on giratina

[ripe turret]

I think you have one too many tera waters

just a feeling

LMAO

[uncut harness]

i do?

whoops didnt notice

[ripe turret]

I would change rilla to tera fire

and gira to tera steel

[uncut harness]

maybe ill change giratina to ghost for more offensive

oh ok

[ripe turret]

gira is more of a tanky attacker

[main shuttle]

I gtg

[uncut harness]

ok ok

[ripe turret]

also idt indeedee needs imprison

I would give it helping hand

[uncut harness]

i only did that to prevent other mons to use tr if i dont want it set up

alr

thats fair

[ripe turret]

I mean

you have cir

[uncut harness]

yeah ik

[ripe turret]

so if they set up TR you'll still be fine

usually that's only for like

hyper offense tailwind

[uncut harness]

ok

and what should i put instead of calm mind

[ripe turret]

a dragon move

probably draco meteor

[uncut harness]

oh wait

i forgot abt that

[ripe turret]

lol

[uncut harness]

or dragon tail

[ripe turret]

dragon tail is too weak

[uncut harness]

i feel like

[ripe turret]

and it has negative priority I think

[uncut harness]

i was gonna use it if the enemy keeps boosting its stats and it resets if it switches no?

ohhh

ok

[ripe turret]

yeah I think draco meteor is the best option

given that it's already quite strong on the special side

or not quite strong

but like

it can deal decent damage

especially with the boost from griseous core

and the other option, dragon claw, is kinda mid

[uncut harness]

Ok ok thats fair

i would ask to battle but i think you might be busy atm

[ripe turret]

not really lol

I'm down for a battle

[main shuttle]

Why don’t we all build a team together @ripe turret @uncut harness

[ripe turret]

sure

[uncut harness]

idmm

that sounds fun

[ripe turret]

what core do we want

[uncut harness]

so what we agree one what kind of team we want and all suggest 2 pokemon each?

[uncut harness]

im ngl the only core i can think of is fgw but thats so common

[ripe turret]

no like

I mean restricted core

[uncut harness]

wanna battle now? Bc team building is one thing but if im not good at battling then thats worse

[uncut harness]

ohh

[ripe turret]

sure

[uncut harness]

ok lets battle rq and get back to the team building

[ripe turret]

what's your username

on PS

[uncut harness]

PKMN_Red500

[main shuttle]

Did yall do your battle?

@uncut harness @ripe turret

[ripe turret]

almost done

[main shuttle]

Okay

[ripe turret]

alr

so

what core do we want

[uncut harness]

yes

damn

i messed up lmfoaoa

[ripe turret]

rip it happens

[main shuttle]

Let’s do zama kyogre?

[ripe turret]

sure

[uncut harness]

im down

[ripe turret]

should we take this to like

somewhere else

[uncut harness]

always wanted to try and use kyoger

[ripe turret]

idk if spamming this place is a good idea lmao

[main shuttle]

I wanan make a weather based team

[uncut harness]

rain team??

[main shuttle]

Where should we go?

[uncut harness]

idm

[ripe turret]

I'll create a GC

[uncut harness]

ok

[main shuttle]

Ok

[ripe turret]

@uncut harness accept my friend req

[uncut harness]

got it

[vast path]

Have you ever been to a vgc event or done really well on ladder? I’m not questioning your competence I’m just curious, you seem p knowledgeable

[ripe turret]

uhh

well

I did get top 500 on ladder

but that doesn't really count for anything tbh

I learned pretty much all my knowledge from this thread lol

I just kinda follow what the raters said

[ivory tendon]

Se liga

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/fc1bfd8a0d4a2221

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[broken shuttle]

should be sash flutter, specs isn’t really strong enough or bulky enough to keep up in this format

good otherwise

[fading atlas]

with tera fairy ? or stellar

like that?

[broken shuttle]

fairy stellar or normal work

normal is usually chosen for the calyrex-s immunity

but the other two are viable also

[fading atlas]

It's better shadow ball or taunt on this team

[broken shuttle]

shadow ball to start

but if you find you don't need it consider dropping it

[gray tapir]

Hello sorry I'm just wondering in doubles ubers who is a good match into terapagos tailwind with calm mine cause I'm running cally shadow and zamazenta right now and I'm not sure it works well into it

[broken shuttle]

ask in doubles OU rates, we only cover VGC here

[gray tapir]

Will do sorry

[ripe turret]

https://psim.us/t/1178181-e24s6s91yiw2twrfg8e7 so uh pokepaste is down for maintenance right now so I gotta use a goofy link but anyway how the hell do I beat setup volc with this team

it literally walls two thirds of my team

and the other one third just gets cooked by its partners

[broken shuttle]

would test taunt pao here

allows you to stop it from setting up alltogether

altho it's kind of risky

could consider flare blitz incin also

but fwiw volc is used almost entirely to farm teams like that

another solution is just to play around it differently

re: offensively position caly and pao to deal huge damage to it before it can set up

[jovial creek]

hi csr zama player here

short answer

you don't

long answer, you have to get a bunch of pao attacks off into it+click a few astrals

[ripe turret]

alright amazing lol

[broken shuttle]

hey that's what i said!

[sleek laurel]

run 4 def over 4 hp on pao to assure survival from all scarf urshifu surging

that's a real thing btw, 4 HP 0 def can get ohkod 1/25 times while 0 HP 4 def assure survival (assuming no tera no item)

[broken shuttle]

actually do that

[ripe turret]

oh ok

interesting

[lofty canyon]

I'm new to everything but I wanted to give an honest attempt at building a team. This is what I made after looking around for a bit - a bit more defensive / DoT focused.

Let me know what you think and what I should change
https://pokepast.es/c5c23645b87c68f2

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[broken shuttle]

the closest you're really gonna get to something more defensive like that is this

https://pokepast.es/1f2d72d272098ac5
https://pokepast.es/50d6ef36801ece96
https://pokepast.es/0c38f4cbd75ecd5f

defensive teams are very hard to come by & oftentimes rely a lot on offensive pieces to output damage in order to soften up for defensive wincons

VGC is way too fast paced for stall-y stuff to be as effective as it is in singles for example

[ripe turret]

follow-up question, what happens if I replace bolt with wellspring

because tbh the volc matchup is near unplayable

[broken shuttle]

team is much too passive afterwards

you could test like

wellspring>rillaboom here

but it does make your miraidon mu clunkier

[ripe turret]

I think I want to keep rillaboom

because yeah it makes miraidon just so much easier to deal with

[broken shuttle]

yeah then realistically not much you can do

outside of play more offensively & run flare blitz incin

[ripe turret]

ok

[broken shuttle]

this is like

a sillier option

but you could tech stone edge zamazenta for the funny

[ripe turret]

...

[sleek laurel]

This would exclusively work in bo1 cts

[ripe turret]

I think I'm good LMAO

[broken shuttle]

similar builds to this have stone edge AV ting-lu over rilla

[ripe turret]

hmm

[broken shuttle]

which does help the volc mu immensely

[ripe turret]

yk that actually makes some sense

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/9f7a04f6d73e5f60

smth like this

for example

[ripe turret]

hmm

I'll look into it

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/ae36417274515a80

[broken shuttle]

looks good, do you have any questions? if not should be fine as is

[fading atlas]

are these koraidon evs good? or need more bulky?

[broken shuttle]

max/max is totally fine on lorb

[fading atlas]

okk, thanks

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/3e824b96a2df62d7 (miraidon + caly-I tailroom)

• I gave caly enough speed to outspeed the base 100s and below with tailwind, while still being slow enough to speed the above 100s in trick room. (same idea for urshifu - r)
• Miraidon and whim are the tailwind mode. Ursaluna is the trickroom sweeper with caly and incineroar to help caly setup or miraidon sweep
• weakness: clayrex-s + galar weezing leads (they shutdown whim's prankster so i cant outspeed them) and proto +speed flutter mane (outsped tailwind and is hard to setup trickroom when shadowball hurts caly)

[fading atlas]

tera fighting on urshifu is not good

knock off > flare blitz or helping hand in incineroar, you can remove flame orb in ursalunas and without it you dont pressure csr and lunalas

[inner basin]

shit, that was suppose to be water lol

[fading atlas]

you can put more bulky in miraidon too

i prefer ursaluna hisui than bloodmoon, if you want test it

[fading atlas]

ah, then it can stay this

[inner basin]

ok

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/c7044b677780627d The New and improved team

• Farigiraf - Electric Seed Farigiraf is the Other Half to my CS Miraidon, its Ability AT stops opposing fake out and other prio moves, Trick Room is there to A) Hopefully prevent opponents from wanting to set up their tr and B) as a way to counter tr users. Foul Play is there to let me hit both Calyrex-S & I, and HH is there to boost either CRS or Miraidon.

• Miraidon - The main part of this team is centered around electric terrain and letting Miraidon do what it does best which is hit hard. Its great against Incin, CRI, and URS, plus RB. Thanks to hardon energy i dont have to worry about Amoonguss spore bs. Evs work to let us Survive a +2 AB from CRS and a HH boosted CC from URS.

• Calyrex-S - The Secondary mode to this team focuses more on Calyrex Shadow Rider and letting him set up to ohko as much as possible. Life Orb to boost the damage output Nasty Plot to set up, Astral Barrage for wide spread damage and psychic for single targets incase of wide guard. Tera Dark so I don't have to worry to much about the dark types.

• Amoonguss - Possibly the best support partner for CSR thanks to its natural bulk and its ability regenerator, plus access to redirection and support in healing with pollen puff, Spore lets it put mons that threaten CSR to sleep.

• Ogerpon-Heartflame - Again a pokemon that can redirect attacks away from Calyrex and also Miraidon while also threatning grass types like rillaboom with ivy cudgel.

• Urshifu-Rapid-Strike - Works well in tandem with Miraidon to help ohko threats like terapagoss before it can set up or incineroar with surging strikes. Miraidon helps deal with threats like raging bolt or koraidon which wall urshifu

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[glacial lotus]

https://pokepast.es/78b7caa79ab6c431

Whats a good redirection mon for this

That isnt firepon

[glacial lotus]

I feel like bringing amoonguss with a miraidon isnt too good

Cuz

U cant spore with eterrain up

So ur just a redirection mon basically

And u alr have firepon

But im not very good at vgc

So take that with a grain of salt

[nimble flame]

amoonguss is for calyrex not mirai if im playing mirai the team is usually mirai farig firepon and shifu, whereas the calyrex version is calyrex amoongus firepon shifu

[glacial lotus]

People dont bring both restricteds?

Huh

[nimble flame]

depends on ur matchups

[glacial lotus]

I usually bring both

Never seen anyone bring only one

[nimble flame]

sometimes you can sometimes you dont

[glacial lotus]

Makes sense ig

But

Yeah

Goodluck with that team man

U got it

[nimble flame]

calyrex can actually work on the mirai side replacing shifu as farig does work alongside crs

[ripe turret]

generally you don’t want to plan on leaving a restricted behind though, that’s only if the matchup for one of your restricteds is very bad and should almost never happen

like you shouldn’t have two plans that each bring one restricted

because then you’re losing out on a lot of firepower

amoonguss on miraidon teams still can work though

[ripe turret]

maybe cornerstone

and btw I would make miraidon tera fairy if you’re running dgleam

[broken shuttle]

i think this looks good, the only real concern I have is that you have no real way to clear terrain for your amoonguss— teams with miraidon and amoonguss should have at least one way to clear terrain i.e. rillaboom, ice spinner pao, or steel roller iron treads

otherwise it can leave your amoonguss out of position & extremely passive or disencentivize bringing miraidon, which is pretty bad as you want to be utilizing both of your restricteds as much as possible

if this hasn't been as much of an issue so far feel free to ignore this

[broken shuttle]

i feel like incineroar is kind of redundant on a team like this

https://pokepast.es/cff1a231c2dadc6c something like this is much more proactive as far as Zama + Miraidon goes— Farigaraf is able to function as a check to opposing calyrexes & Iron Hands is a good secondary check into Calyrex-Ice while providing fake out utility & increased offensive presence. Chien-Pao also checks both calys while aiding Zama & CIR

to kind of combine the two ideas,
https://pokepast.es/08be0c67cb639f2e something like this has additional calyrex counterplay in the form of chien-pao, while also introducing a redirector in the form of Volcarona to do well into the mirror

[glacial lotus]

Oh

I did actually use volcarona

[glacial lotus]

How so?

Also would tera stellar be better for urshifu?

[broken shuttle]

nah you want the defensive utility, stellar is only really useful on sash for securing OHKOs on pagos

[broken shuttle]

basically you already have a good enough MU into stuff like CIR with zama, and more offensively-oriented pieces are a lot better on miraidon teams because it means you can blow them up faster & more effectively

[glacial lotus]

Owh

Does this mean i wont lose to cir anymore

[broken shuttle]

zama/ursh/pao/volc should give u a good mu yes

[glacial lotus]

Ooh ok tysm

[fading atlas]

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[broken shuttle]

should be QD volcarona here, also the team is a touch too slow, i don't think rillaboom really fits here— i would replace it with Chien-Pao, you can also consider replacing Urshifu with Pao & rilla with Iron Hands

[quasi burrow]

Debating setting up a team like this, thoughts?

Metal Coat on Gholdengo just wasn't an option

[obsidian apex]

Running zama but no body press? I don't know if it fell out or not but like. Why not use its strongest movd

Especially if ur running id

[celest gulch]

choice band protect is sheist

[glacial lotus]

Why is he running offensive incin with support moves

Also is life orb mirai a real set?

[glacial lotus]

Air balloon or something

[quasi burrow]

Because I'm brand new and getting advice 😂

Wasn't sure if should run uturn instead

Was debating just life orbing the incin instead

And I thought the iron head upgrade move also ran on defense

[glacial lotus]

Heavy slam?

[glacial lotus]

Nah bro

Incin works much better as a

Support mon

Something like sitrus berry or maybe av

Since u have miraidon for eterrain anyway

Also i think u should just run sash on ur mismagius

I mean flutter

And give specs to miraiy

But

Ig lorb mirai also works if u wanna run that

And heavy slam instead of irom head on zama

And body press instead of play rough

[celest gulch]

orb miraidon is fine, i placed ok in one of the gcs with it its pretty nice in a closed team sheet format where everyone expects it to be specs

or at least expected back then, not sure about these days what with all the av dons around

[broken shuttle]

!shareteams

[drifting onyx]

This command has been removed please use !psteams or !shareteam.

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[broken shuttle]

please share your team in a more accessable format like the PS team database or pokepaste👍

[quasi burrow]

Mind sending a link like i said brand new so I just used the thing I first saw haha

Also yes I realized I made some questionable item choices while I was half asleep 😂😂😂

I didn't want choice band on incin, metal coat will go on gholdengo and life orb I think might stay miraidon

Not sure yet tho

My fluttermane choice is mostly dazzling gleam go brr

But also debating just putting the electric boost item onto miraidon

Safety Goggles will probably go on incin I think

[broken shuttle]

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/teambuilder

[quasi burrow]

would terrain extender be worth you think?

[fading atlas]

💀

[quasi burrow]

https://pokepast.es/a88060b85dbb7aa0

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[jovial creek]

are you new to vgc

[quasi burrow]

very

[jovial creek]

because zamazenta+miraidon is a strong core

but thats not the best way to run it

do you want a sample team?

[sleek laurel]

was gonna say the team is titled "first team"

[quasi burrow]

am just trying to get advice on how to fix the team, adjustments I can make

if my ev IV's are good

[jovial creek]

are you ok with changing some mons

[quasi burrow]

depending yeah, I know I want at least Flutter and Gholdengo

was debating switching zama for Urshifu

[jovial creek]

oh

dengo was the one

that I was gonna say should swap

[quasi burrow]

oh?

[jovial creek]

ok then I'd make iron hands a grimmsnarl

give incineroar the assault vest

and make gholdengo tera normal+electric seed

or some defensive tera

[quasi burrow]

so why gholdengo swap?

[jovial creek]

gholdengo just isn't that good

it gets stat checked by the legendaries

[quasi burrow]

gotcha, what would you recommend instead of that?

also prolly gunna hurt my own feelings but 1-10 how is the party first glance

[jovial creek]

uh

the 6

or the team

[quasi burrow]

the team

this is pretty much just based of off what I saw might be a balance

[jovial creek]

probably like

a 5

[quasi burrow]

Sh** I'll take average as a first xD

debating flutter choice specs tho, could give incin assault vest still, swap gholdengo for maybe Pory 2 or Dusclops?

give iron hands the double weight item

hmm think I might've found something I can do to adjust team one sec

oh nvm that's an ability

https://pokepast.es/060c882e5bd6e665

something like this maybe?

debating trading discharge out from Pory 2

could also trade Zama out for Groudon and put choice specs on flutter to give it extra kick

[ripe turret]

I assume the teras aren't chosen yet?

also from the looks of it this team isn't very good

the mons themselves are good (other than like p2)

but the sets need some work

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/091bdda3b0290735

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

looks good, no changes needed

[thorny aurora]

what do you think about change this ogerpon-w to a chien pao, because i suffering from the ursaluna tera ghost, and with chien pao i have the pression from sucker punch

https://pokepast.es/a25f195bf6f555e4 like that

[broken shuttle]

works well ye

synergizes a lot with the zama and hands also

i think i like that version more

should be ghost pao tho

[thorny aurora]

yes, i forgot to change

[broken shuttle]

the only thing i question is having the zama slower than lando i

it's a good speed tier to creep on zama esp since outside of pao and miraidon draco it's not the easiest for you to OHKO

[remote cradle]

So, I'm honestly very new to competitive Pokemon, and looking online VGC in SS seemed like it would possibly be an interesting place to start. Currently working on a team and don't really know what would be a good last pokemon for the team. I also wanted to possibly get some advice or suggestions on the team I already have assembled. Would this chat be a good place for that? Thank you in advance.

[glacial lotus]

Wheres the team

[remote cradle]

Was kinda chatting with a friend about ideas for the last pokemon, sending the full team in just one second. :)

[glacial lotus]

Also like

If ur very new

Id recommend using a smaple team first

For the mon ur using

Or want to use

[remote cradle]

https://pokepast.es/6767276c1551feed

Dragonite was the last Pokemon that was added, as a possible wall Pokemon.

[trail agate]

Feels too manual

Like idk that running the move Electric Terrain or Damp Rock Rain Dance really are encouraged in 4v4 doubles

And if this is for Sword/Shield rather than gen9 then you can set those conditions up with the dynamax moves

[untold relic]

for SwSh (I'm assuming Series 9?)

This is not good

it has to be Series 7 / 9 because Dragonite was only added in Crown Tundra iirc for Gen 8

@remote cradle https://victoryroad.pro/2021/08/21/trainers-cup-2021-results/
would suggest trying some of these teams

[buoyant quail]

https://pokepast.es/5911fdf990b11424
running this team right now. any feedback is appreciated.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

looks fine

indeedee+incin is some anti synergy but it isn't the end of the world

[red lodge]

can any1 rate this team? https://pokepast.es/fe15fc466342b5e4

[broken shuttle]

i would replace talonflame here with one of the tapus— talonflame & priority tailwind in general aren't very good in 18 because dynamic speed control didn't exists yet. Fini or Koko are your best bets. Smart strike kart isn't great, drop it for tailwind. also drop either snarl or knock off on incin for u-turn & make it a pinch berry (iapapa) because you'll have terrain from koko/fini to block spore. cresselia also isn't very good here, it's kind of passive and doesn't really offer you much— would recommend replacing it with something like bulky latias that still has an EQ immunity but is a lot less passive than cress

[lavish nexus]

i've been coming up against this kinda comp recently allot and it's a big issue for my team, any suggestions on anything i should change to play around it? the combination of korai, incin, and flutter are my big issue
https://pokepast.es/dadfebacf047e818

[drifting onyx]

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[broken shuttle]

it should be psychic on csr and tera ghost on incineroar btw

as for how to play into those

it's a very uphill matchup for most csr zamazenta teams

i would recommend starting off by swapping to tera water on zamazenta as it makes flutter mane + koraidon much easier to handle

something else you can test here is going tera ghost + rocky helmet on incineroar to punch koraidon more heavily

[lavish nexus]

my main issue with tera water is the mirai CIR matchup

[broken shuttle]

& then you can go assault vest raging bolt which helps a lot into that matchup & the mirror

[broken shuttle]

yeah that's fair, i think if you go AV bolt + helmet ghost incin it should be playable enough

but you have to be careful about like

koraidon + lunala/csr structures

[lavish nexus]

the incin tera was just me forgetting to set it rip

[broken shuttle]

it should be

tera fairy incin

not ghost

on second thought

[lavish nexus]

yea, i have it trained to outspeed opposing fake outers

[broken shuttle]

bc it preserves your ability to take on koraidon without sacrificing into the ghost types

[lavish nexus]

i know how to play the korai matchup, my issue is just they have a large advantage from the start

so im wondering if i should change the team to account for it more or go as is

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/9b36bcf946ac1c2d

oops

[lavish nexus]

actually how common is indeedee CIR right now, i might run e force on CSR

[broken shuttle]

double helmet im ass

https://pokepast.es/bed040845b4e778e

better

[broken shuttle]

not very, just use psychic

it's more consistent anyways

[broken shuttle]

AV bolt + fairy incin should help a lot

bc it makes you more able to pivot around korai & force damage trades that are actually favorable to you

[lavish nexus]

speed control on bolt?

[broken shuttle]

ye, it helps a lot into the csr mirror

• it can help to snipe stuff like urshifu

[lavish nexus]

fair point

could probably tera dark nasty plot and eweb for a guarenteed +2 next turn

[broken shuttle]

ye, for example

[lavish nexus]

does helping hand see much usage for reg i?

on incin

[broken shuttle]

ye it does, it can work here probs 4th move can be whatever

[lavish nexus]

updated set with it all considered
https://pokepast.es/5d27fac26457c148

[tiny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/00504d34dc1ec35f

[drifting onyx]

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[tiny cairn]

help

the team is going well in practice

but i just need to know if there's anything else to work on

im just building a bunch of teams and then choosing whatever feels the best

[drifting onyx]

Hey @grand kestrel, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

[grand kestrel]

sorry

[safe imp]

Hello, can anybody rate my friends first team to VGC? I helped him, and im really excited to introduce him to VGC, we played some matches on showdown together with the team and won all low elo matches idk how it will turn out in greater elo matches, and im not the type of person to rate as I make my own teams so can anyone rate it? (Keep in mind its his first team be nice please :3) https://pokepast.es/82e298bc106e5800

[dull siren]

https://pokepast.es/dc682e04b80fb7bf

how is thsi team

[safe imp]

the 252 on gothithelle was split on spdef and def btw

[jovial creek]

For a first team its not that bad actually

I want to make some changes but first, are there any specific mons you want to keep?

[safe imp]

My friend says he wants to keep the restricted duo

[tiny cairn]

im not super super into vgc knowledge but i do know a few things, you're probably gonna want tera water or fire on the calyrex, and choice band isn't super good especially if you're looking to set up trick room

volt switch instead of discharge on miraidon can help with start of battle pivoting

and a diff ev spread of the cir, it's not really a pokémon that gets minmaxed with its role on a team

and you don't need the spA evs on the amoonguss

[jovial creek]

I will make a few edits in a bit when I sit down at my pc

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/df1e5e7726193af4

I made some changes to the sets and changed the last 2

farigiraf is a better tr settter and prio blocker than bruxish and urshifu helps you into calyrex shadow

there are a lot of ways to go with that restricted core, this is just 1 way

[jovial creek]

don't forget to go grassy surge rilla and intim incin

idt grimmsnarl is the best last pokemon there, amoonguss is probably more consistent

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/17a087d263ba0b72

[drifting onyx]

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[grand kestrel]

This is a stalling team right?

[jovial creek]

kyogre+lunala is a cool core, the rest isn't very good

[grand kestrel]

If Kyogre has Hydro Pump, would thunder be a replacement for Hydro Pump?
if Hydro Pump has Higher Accuracy would Origin Pulse be better than hydro pump or thunder?

[distant trellis]

Not necessarily

Ice beam already covers nearly everything you wanna hit with thunder

And hydro pump is used as a stab option that isn't spread so you aren't floundering in the face of wide guard lunala or Zamazenta

Especially since this is a specs kyogre

[safe imp]

My friend was looking for a huge damage sweeper in trick room, and he didn’t want to “waste” a move on his restricted while he can run it on another Pokémon built around setting it up

[safe imp]

He said he wanted some cheap chips with pollen puff on other ice rider to get a free kill off

[safe imp]

Oh wow thank you! He kinda wanted to keep the choice band ice rider set though.. Do you think its okay to change the set to choice band or should we keep it this way?

[red lodge]

amoonguss with miraidon's electric terrain isn't really good, because electric terrain cancels out sleep, which nerfs amoonguss pretty bad

[jovial creek]

it is fine, miraidon and amoonguss have been doing well on the same team because of how well amoonguss and calyrex ice work togehter

[red lodge]

oh

[trail agate]

The only thing I think you would want Thunder for is like the mirror. However, this has some flaws and my only reason to super consider it is like if I already have CIR or other ice coverage. At least then it feels like "hey, if I dont already have other electric cover then can make an argument for bolt beam combo," but there's probably something I'm wrong on or not fully understanding about the game. Someone who actually uses Thunder Kyogre well can probably tell me what the pros and use cases actually are.

[broken shuttle]

thunder is good for the auto hit

also good into urshifu/twater mons/the mirror

it's good if you're running like

hydro pump + spout

bc you hit everything hard enough with those two anyways

[safe imp]

@jovial creek

[jovial creek]

You should keep it, Choice Band loses out on a lot of the good parts of Calyrex-I

[safe imp]

Alright thanks!

[trail agate]

Tbh that's why AV Caly confused me before, but that's like a Bo1 thing and other stuff goes into that rather than it just being normal to use a CIR without TR

Loaded Dice is another funny one

[safe imp]

Loaded dice?

[trail agate]

Both under 5% usage, but still they're in 4th and 5th place under Lefties, ClAm, and Never Melt Ice

[safe imp]

How does Ice Rider use Loaded Dice

[broken shuttle]

do not use loaded dice calyrex💀

[lyric void]

https://pokepast.es/6dc3c62acda777bb

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[marsh frigate]

https://pokepast.es/c5881edcddf30f3b what do we think about the evs on lando, I was trying out different spreads and found i liked max speed the most, is it ok?

[sleek laurel]

Yup, very minor stuff anyway

Team looks nice, unique but not overly unique, nicely synergic too

[sleek laurel]

Are you trying to use any specific mons here?

[sleek laurel]

Though there are a few minor things to look at

More specifically Tera Ghost on Calyrex

And consider Taunt on Landorus to beat Wide Guard

Since you have no Disable on Calyrex-S

But that's optional

But that's very useful especially since it's Max Speed Landorus

And you have no Rain and a billion Spread moves so Sandsear Storm isn't needed

Astral and Starstorm count as a billion

[marsh frigate]

what does ghost give

[sleek laurel]

Damage boost to compensate for the lack of a boosting item

Particularly good on Focus Sash

Since you don't care much about the defensive capabilities of other Teras

[marsh frigate]

oh yeah true

i think i might try disable on csr and see how it goes

and if it doesn’t work ill use taunt lando

[sleek laurel]

Fair lol

Gl

[marsh frigate]

thanks for the help

[uncut harness]

bruh i need to learn how to team build so i dont have to use rental teams

the team i decided to rent…

[untold relic]

there are def easier to play and better rentals

[ripe turret]

they wanted to play gira-o I'm pretty sure

[tiny cairn]

havnt built a team like this before, anything helps! i really enjoy using zacian, dont really like using kyogre, and am a big fan of the miraidon x sneasler duo. https://pokepast.es/ea4827a3939cc167

[drifting onyx]

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[tiny cairn]

tried using pelipper but i didn't really like it, i think that the farigiraf and ogerpon are really good for supporting zacian against the fire types that rain is supposed to cancel out though

this is my main team that i play with if that gives any context into my play style and the teams that are good for me https://pokepast.es/5d101a8cee3229db

and if i should just stick to that team lmk

zacian is just trained to live a flare blitz from incine and an earthpower from +1 pagos

only calcs i bothered to do tbh

oh yeah and a flame charge from no tera kor

forgot to add evs for farig and put wrong move on miraidon btw

updated version, sorry for yap https://pokepast.es/002a7a569bf961de

[uncut harness]

lmfoaoa

[rich elk]

https://pokepast.es/570a164e864e23b5
learning vgc, can someone explain the strategy with this team (i get using whimsicott to buff up and support miraidon but idk rlly past that )

[drifting onyx]

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