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[ornate cloak]

This is honestly so foul

[sleek laurel]

But its hard to replace a mon

[short halo]

it is

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[short halo]

giving up one of my faves in lando for a mon ive barely used feels sad

but im so new i know my opinions and all that will change

[sleek laurel]

It snot needed

[ornate cloak]

You don't have to

[sleek laurel]

The original Mirai Leech CIR team was these 6

[short halo]

yeah yeah

[sleek laurel]

But the point is just

[short halo]

just thinking out loud

[sleek laurel]

If youre not running Farig I like Timid more

[ornate cloak]

A regular Draco Meteor would pick up a KO from like, 65%-ish hp anyway

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[short halo]

yeah helps with mirror

i feel like

[sleek laurel]

Because you lose out on this calc and it helps w the mirror

And honestly

[ornate cloak]

This is honestly just an option if you're really paranoid about terrain control

[sleek laurel]

Bulky Mirai without AV is not real anyway

Like

252 HP without AV*

So you can be sure enough that you'll OHKO opposing non-AV Mirai with Tera Fairy Dazzling Gleam

[ornate cloak]

Didn't Luca use this at EUIC?

[sleek laurel]

That was Reg G

It was real in Reg G

[ornate cloak]

True

[sleek laurel]

But not anymore

[ornate cloak]

Ye ig the second restricted makes a bigger difference than I imagined

[short halo]

i like this

[sleek laurel]

Yea you'll usually be 100% safe even with Timid

[short halo]

power creep goes hard

[sleek laurel]

And if its AV then Modest wont help

[short halo]

there are so many cool restricted mons

[sleek laurel]

If its AV you need to Draco

Yea

For sure lol

[ornate cloak]

Miraidon is just manufactured different

[sleek laurel]

Miraidon is ridiculous

[short halo]

litterally and figuritively built in a lab

[sleek laurel]

Miraidon is not real

[ornate cloak]

That hh Draco Meteor calc always makes me question gamefreak 😭

[sleek laurel]

This things damage output is 😭

[sleek laurel]

Rillaboom invests

244 HP and like 220 SpD with AV

[short halo]

no mirai is a figment of our imagination

[sleek laurel]

To survive a Timid one

And then you meet the Modest variation and still explode

[ornate cloak]

It just barely survives hh Draco with timid tho

[sleek laurel]

👍

Yea

[ornate cloak]

Nature diff'd ig?

[short halo]

been playing since fire red and never gotten in to comp

[ornate cloak]

At least yk what you're dealing with for the remaining 2 games but it's still kinda depressing

[sleek laurel]

I oftentimes greed a bit with some slight bulk on Max Speed Mirai, drop a tiny bit of SpA

Honestly its not worth it

[short halo]

tbh double restricted format is the easiest time to get in to it for me bc there arent a lot of vaible optioons

[sleek laurel]

But I greeded a bit for it a few times

LOL

[short halo]

its like 30 mons

[ornate cloak]

Honestly

[sleek laurel]

There arent a lot of viable Restricteds compared to total

But this meta

Has way more

Than any other

[ornate cloak]

There are like, 7 good restricteds

[short halo]

yeah exactly

[sleek laurel]

There are 11 viable ones

Bur like

[ornate cloak]

Csr
Cir
Miraidon
Koraidon
Zamazenta
Kyogre
Terapagos

[short halo]

its just easier to keep track of for a new player

[sleek laurel]

Half of these are fringe viable

[ornate cloak]

Groudon and Zacian are meh

[sleek laurel]

Lunala

Other than that yes

[ornate cloak]

Oh yh myb

[short halo]

Ho oh tailwind!!!!!!

[ornate cloak]

Lunala

[sleek laurel]

Ho-Oh is in the fringe viable category

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[short halo]

lolol

yeah

i figured

dont see much of them

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[ornate cloak]

Ho-oh was fine when the meta was still developing but now it's just not the greatest pick

[short halo]

but when i do im pleasantly surprised

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[short halo]

when i see a csr my heart sinks

[ornate cloak]

Ye you really gotta mentally prepare yourself for the worst when you see csr

[short halo]

csr in battle stadium is so scary bro

do they have nasty plot do they not

like someone call in some help for me

someone is telling me its worth to add bulk to mirai without AV, bc i still do damage with choice specs. but i will tera fairy in to dazzling and then, if the mirai knows they cant deal with it im scared to get outsped and volt switched on

aghhhh

[short halo]

wait thats dumb asf im such a noob

[sleek laurel]

You can add some bulk in place of SpA but its a little greedy sometimes

Just make sure to not go too weak

I wouldn't drop Speed in this meta without AV tho

[short halo]

okay then modest with 244HP/ 36Defense/ 36 SpA/180SpD/12 Spe is way too greedy probably lol

[sleek laurel]

That is way too greedy LOL

I have a spread which is like

44 HP 12 Def 196 SpA 4 SpD 252+ Spe

There are variations with 44 HP 4 Def 12 SpD, or 44 HP 12 Def 12 SpD and 188 SpA

[short halo]

the dude that showed me that spread got top cut at portland with that exact team and i didnt even know he used the team i made/came accross or whatever so i figured id give it a try

but he said mirai mirrors were free unless they had iron treads

but i havent tried it yet and im a little nervous to

bc damnit really is greedy

like no speed so SpA

scares me

[sleek laurel]

This lives a Tera Water Surging Strikes from any non-Mystic Water Urshifu, with 12 Def being generally good for the even number, and 12 SpD drastically helping with a Caly-S calc (I forgot which)

Also, this feels like an AV spread

20 Spe 36 SpA is not real without AV

And the mirrors are not remotely free

Because opposing Miraidon's Draco will still OHKO

And Dazzling Gleam will still do a fuckton

If not OHKO

[short halo]

idek the calc on how to survive a draco i always just tera fairy if i think they will go for it

[sleek laurel]

You don't

[short halo]

but the problem is i will HAVE to commit to tera bc im so slow

[sleek laurel]

AV doesn't survive a Specs Draco either

And opposing Miraidon will often Volt Switch too

[short halo]

exactly

i dont like it

i dont know how he got top32 with it

i really dont

[sleek laurel]

Who?

Was the player

[short halo]

jaden copeland

one sec

[sleek laurel]

Oh I know that guy

He has

Some very hot takes on youtube

Like extremely hot takes about the meta

[short halo]

okay this is good

yeah

his miraidon take kinda scared be but i dont know any better

its a scary place out here trying to get info

this was his paste

same exact team as the one you guys helped me craft minus the ev spreads

[sleek laurel]

These all look too bulky somewhat yea

These spreads are really weird lmao

But amog

[short halo]

i know bro

and idek what im talking about tbf

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[short halo]

but i looked at them and was like hmmmm okayyy ill try it lol

he said they arent perfect and i think a lot of them have to do with him building around wheezing cuz he said he was scared of it

its just weird bc if they arent scarfed he could stay and read a volt switch, but thats risky, or he can commit tera which is expensive turn one or whatever, and if they are scarfed hes kinda forced to hard switch or commit tera

i dont like it

[short halo]

would this be timid or modest? timid i assume

[sleek laurel]

Ye

[velvet cove]

ok my only problem is that

i really thud into the most popular team

miraidon lunala

otherwise the team is really good besides the occasional koraidon

[velvet cove]

whimsicott might help but then ur stacking grass types with amoon right

[sleek laurel]

Whimsicott doesn't count towards type stacking

In like

Any way, shape or form

[velvet cove]

in what way

[sleek laurel]

The issue with type stacking

Is always one of the two:

• You're stacking weaknesses in your defensive core
• You're overloading in a single type of offensive coverage

Whimsicott is not part of the defensive core, and it doesn't even run Grass-type offense at all

It's not there to deal damage either

It's there to setup Tailwind, disable stuff with Encore, and use Light Screen

Since it's a purely support piece, there's no issues with stacking types alongside it because you dont rely on it to check anything, offensively nor defensively

It's like Grimmsnarl in that sense

...I explained this like my ass, but I hope it makes sense LOL

[velvet cove]

ok ye that makes sense

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/e53d75b8ae00bbec
Trying this team out, lmk thoughts.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[umbral roost]

Lemme send paste w EV’s.

https://pokepast.es/6738807bcaeecd5c

[jovial creek]

Are you trying to use regigigas?

[umbral roost]

Yeah.

It’s practically a third restricted w G-Weezing so wanted to try it out.

Didn’t find a popular EV spread so I made my own.

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/53178cbc5b79e0ae

[umbral roost]

I could use something over wide guard ofc.

[jovial creek]

I think you could go csr over ho-oh

And maybe chi yu over iron hands

[umbral roost]

That’s aiming for something more hyper offensive, but I like the bulk along with tailwind. Will take into consideration though.

Chi-Yu would be a neat abuser of the sun.

[drifting onyx]

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[reef bough]

Wrong team

oml

https://pokepast.es/25bd7dfaafea6ead

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/50b0560133a23d3a

Zacian: This is really the most basic set, yet its the most effective, behemoth blade and play rough are pretty much mandatory with sacred sword fixing the only problem of the best typing in the game, and while i was tempted to use swords dance from gameplay experience protect is just as mandatory and behemoth blade and play rough. Tera fairy for play rough boost, 156 jolly allows me to outspeed 135 mons, the attack and hp are leftovers.

Kyogre: This dude was a nightmare, i spent a week agonizing over the evs spread only to end up where i started, water spout and origin pulse are mandatory, i am thinking of replacing ice beam for thunder because water types wall kyogre. And protect is mandatory. Tera grass for amoonguss immunity and mystic water for 180 bp water spouts. 100 speed evs outspeeds most lunalas in the format, 252 hp to have as much hp as possible at all times to have slightly more consistent water spouts, 156 is leftovers.

Torn: basic

Urshifu-r: urshifu-r

Thundurus: underrated, i wont go much over him since im running out of characters, speed control and damage reduction, substitute allows to play for longer and synergizes with sitrus berry, thunder in case i get taunted. Tera dark against other pranksters, ev spread not for specific calcs.

Ogerpon-h: 2nd weirdest choice as its not often found in swordfish, like it for vs zamazenta having a 50% chancd of koing while terrastalized, synergizes wkth kypgre since the zamazenta thing also synergizes with zacian since it has hit tera-water caly-i for supereffective, offers redirection, luca cerebellis ev spread other than more offense for zamazenta. Also needed fire-type coverage.

[drifting onyx]

Hey @cold swallow, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ubers team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059901370477576272 instead.

[cold swallow]

https://pokepast.es/6efbd16d2edec0c9

This is my team
I have been using it in ladder
And also played some local tournaments with it.....smashed everyone but lost in the finals due to some misplays and overconfidence
But I love this team....and Playing trick room
I am a bit finnicky about Kyogre but I think it was the best spread attack and bulky wallbreaker restricted that I could count upon
Specially against sun teams

So experts....just need your humble expertise

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

looks like hard trick room kinda?

[cold swallow]

Yes

[sleek laurel]

i like the mons, the sets need some upgrading i'd say

Indeedee wants its own Trick Room and either Psychic or a Fairy-type attack to break Focus Sashes (Psychic deals actual damage while Fairy-type attacks break Sash on Dark-types)
Replace Protect and Hyper Voice, Indeedee can't fit Protect

Ursaluna wants either Earthquake or Substitute over Ice Punch, Ice Punch hits nothing your STABs don't and you have a whole Calyrex-I

Kyogre is fine, but use Tera Grass over Electric

Iron Hands needs a massive movepool overhaul, but since it's HardRoom and not Miraidon, I would just replace with the standard HardRoom Smeargle

Calyrex-I wants one of Tera Fire or Water, as well as Protect over one of the coverage moves (most likely Close Combat, but you have Ursaluna so you can consider replacing High Horsepower instead)

Hatterene is really niche, but if you want to run it, use Psychic over Dazzling Gleam (to get away from Wide Guard) and Tera Psychic (Tera Fairy isn't worth it, you'll be using your Psychic-type attacks MUCH more)

https://pokepast.es/e4e0bff04e0271ef

try this set, and tell me how it goes!

another option is to run Lunala as your secondary Restricted since it's HardRoom, and use a different mon over Hatterene

which is usually more standard, but you can get away with either at the end of the day

[sleek laurel]

edit: Life Orb Hatterene over Focus Sash because uhhhhh lets pretend I didn't overlook Item Clause LOL

[jovial creek]

Don't run mono psychic attack hatt

You need gleam

[cold swallow]

Thankss I agree
But I didn't understand why switching smeargle with iron hands is a better option.....cos I think I am losing my electric Stab....My team can be vulnerable to Rain teams right?

Rest I think I totally agree with it
Thanks a lot

[cold swallow]

I had made a variation of this team where I ran incenaror and farigiraf in place of hatterene indeede
And the reason I picked hatterene focus sash is because it gets normally double targetted and even with follow me if it takes a spread move I don't want it to die

[cold swallow]

Yes I was thinking that too

[sleek laurel]

i didnt say remove gleam

i said change the tera lmao

[sleek laurel]

the current version is def better yea

[sleek laurel]

there's no real rain team that beats this team under tr

that's the nature of hardroom too, you wanna outspeed and wreck stuff

brb btw

[jovial creek]

"But if you want to run it, use psychic over dazzling gleam"

[cold swallow]

I get it.....should I replace my kyogre with lunala?
What do u think

[sleek laurel]

I

Meant to say over Dark Pulse

LMAO

Omega ADHD moment

[cold swallow]

I kept dark pulse for countering
Stuff like lunala and Calyrex shadow or other ghost types actually
Saw many of those in ladder
Hehe

[sleek laurel]

I figured it was for that, but what does Calyrex-S threaten you for under Trick Room?

You're always going to Tera the CIR in that MU anyway

Lunala could be an issue

You usually want to Spore it tho

[cold swallow]

Yupp got your point

[sleek laurel]

Because its main threat is Wide Guard

Which is generally a bit annoying for this team

Honestly, I would consider Hydro Pump over Origin Pulse on the Kyogre, or even 3 Water attacks

Since you have CIR

[cold swallow]

I still didn't get why add smeargle when I have indeede as a redirector
Wouldn't it add to manny passive mons
Indeede is too passive already

[sleek laurel]

Not really

Its mostly because it offers Spore to deal with Wide Guard

And Decorate

It also facilitates Trick Room due to Fake Out, you lead it alongside Calyrex-I

[cold swallow]

Yess I faced that problem and that's this teams most problematic obstacle
Struggled against wide guard users though beat them but could've lost by an inch

[sleek laurel]

Smeargle + Indeedee is very common in this meta

In HardRoom

[cold swallow]

Then I shouldn't run Indeede in that team cos fake out won't work in psychic terrain

[sleek laurel]

You lead Smeargle

Bring Indeedee in the back

That's a really common tech trust me

Its used on like every HardRoom team

[cold swallow]

And set trick room up with calyrex ice in the first turn?

[sleek laurel]

Yea, usually

If they're not threatening your CIR

You can even do Decorate + Trick Room sometimes

It boils down to the matchup and lead

[cold swallow]

But why is indeede f better than Hatterene do u think in this team
I mean Indeedes stats are not good that much Hatterene offers sp atk sweep as well as trick room set up

[sleek laurel]

Because of Psychic Terrain

[cold swallow]

But indeede can be taunted

[sleek laurel]

It enables your Expanding Force usage and blocks priority

Psychic Terrain is like essential

The priority block vs stuff like opposing Fake Out

Which is really annoying for Trick Room teams

Is like ridiculously useful

[cold swallow]

So thatswhy I was using Hatterene Indeede lead

[sleek laurel]

Hatterene's usage is like

Mostly for Expanding force

That lead works as well

It varies on the matchup

[cold swallow]

I prefer Hatterene more as a trick room setter as it has magic bounce can't be taunted and indeede sets up psyhich terrain and redirects with follow me

So Do I need smeargle in my team really? Isn't one redirector enough

[sleek laurel]

I wouldnt say you NEED it but it offers way more than you think

Its not just for Follow Me

Decorate and Spore are broken

And its more about those than about Follow Me for it

[cold swallow]

Damn....I wish we had dark void smeargle , then definitely would have picked it first

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[cold swallow]

Got your point

Okay let me try this

[sleek laurel]

Glgl!

[cold swallow]

One question.....are there any tournaments held for this format??

I am new so I was wondering if I can use this in a tournament

The experience will help me build my team

[sleek laurel]

Locals are unfortunately over for the regulation

But there are a lot of online ones

[cold swallow]

How to join them?

[sleek laurel]

Google it out lol, find one you like

Victory Road is the most known one

I think itll only have another one next month tho

[cold swallow]

It will be in showdown right?

[sleek laurel]

No

Didnt you say you had a local?

[cold swallow]

Lol

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[cold swallow]

Not the type you are thinking
The place I belong from harldy anyone knows about competitive Pokemon
Except me and my few friends so....yaa there are servers that host tournaments I played in them

[sleek laurel]

Ohhhhh

[cold swallow]

Thatswhy I am so confused with all this stuff in showdown

[sleek laurel]

I thought you were like

It was an ACTUAL local

[cold swallow]

Ya lol....but I'm not one to be underestimated
Just unlucky to belong from a different part of the world
I have been trying to build a community here.....with my friends
None of them have started even playing showdown competitively
I am giving it a try

Never mind thanks for your help
You have been very helpful
Will tell you how the adjustments work

[sleek laurel]

No worries man lol

[ripe turret]

looks decent, I don't like hearthflame on a rain team and thundurus is weird but if it works it works (but at least replace thunder with wildbolt unless it's for a specific calc because I think that it's generally better)

I would suggest landorus incarnate as a replacement for hearthflame because it destroys zama asw and loves the rain, but then you have three genies LMAO

maybe something like wellspring? still chunks zama in the rain and hits both water and fire tera cir, so basically it does hearthflame's job but synergizes better with rain

[unborn hull]

Mmmm yeah landorus looks good i also use thunder because thundurus is here for support not damage so i chose the one with higher paralyze chance

[ripe turret]

is wildbolt 20?

cuz ik thunder is 30

[unborn hull]

Ye

[ripe turret]

I see

I think lando is actually not that good on second thought because then your cir matchup gets really difficult

so yeah wellspring is my suggestion over hearthflame

[unborn hull]

Zacian behemoth for cir

[ripe turret]

well they just tera water

and what are you hitting it with, thundurus?

I guess stacking waters might not be a good idea

maybe cornerstone?

[unborn hull]

I am thibking of giving kyogre thunder

Also i like thr fire coverage of heartflame

[unborn hull]

Wood hammer

[ripe turret]

like I mean if you replaced hearthflame with lando

[unborn hull]

Ah

Again i mainly like ogerpon for redirection and fire coverage since kyogre just dies againdt zamazenta

And having water + fire + grass coverage is nice

[ripe turret]

well yeah...but it's a rain team

like I get where you're coming from

[unborn hull]

Still has main stab with wood hammer, not to mention kyogres not always out, so pgerpon can still redirect and deal good damage, and when kyogre isnt out he is pretty good

At least on my experience after like 30 sets it isnt half-bad

[ripe turret]

ehh ok

if it works it works

[unborn hull]

I gtg anyways, you can leave other notes ill check later, cya

[ripe turret]

alr cya

I think you can consider coaching on urshifu-r because one coaching allows zac to ohko opposing no bulk zac with behemoth blade

[reef bough]

guys i think i overcooked with this one
https://pokepast.es/56945e6a41973d73

Koraidon - a glass cannon, he's intended to OHKO and DIE

Scream Tail - Bulky Perish song against Calyrex Ice

Lunala - Hits Calyrex Shadow

Amoonguss - redirection support, and has dludge bomb for damage even though being taunted

Incineroar - pivot for the other pokemon

Gothitelle - shadow tag + double fake out pressure with incin

Modes:
Koraidon, Lunala - Sweeper

Kodaidon, Gothi, ST = Perish Trap

Incineroar and Amoonguss can go on any, depending on the situation.

[sleek laurel]

I would advise against building Perish Trap on your own if you're not extremely experienced

the core is nice tho, but not only is Perish Trap incredibly hard to use, it's also in a particularly bad spot in Regulation I compared to H or even G

Koraidon + Scream Tail is good, but dedicating it to Perish Trap isn't

also, most Koraidon + Scream Tail teams make use of Calyrex-Shadow as the second Restricted Legendary, mainly because the standard disruptive Scream Tail is more useful for that core

whereas Koraidon + Lunala is often ran alongside other offensive partners, plus a somewhat slower mode, and Lunala often runs Trick Room and Wide Guard in place of Icy Wind and Protect

I would probably turn this into either a Koraidon + Lunala + Ursaluna standard team, or a Koraidon + Calyrex-S + disruptive Scream Tail team, but forgoing Perish Trap

also many of these EV spreads don't make much sense lol

[ripe turret]

wolfey? is that you?

(where's the flare blitz on korai)

[ripe turret]

one more thing, kyogre would appreciate some defense investment imo so that it doesn’t get melted quite as hard by physical attacks

[sleek laurel]

i missed that completely too lmao

its fucking late LMAO

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/097c950290cf1298
Some calcs:
Shadow claw ursa will ohko lunala if shadow shield is dropped on all reg i sets on smogon
Urshifu is trained to outspeed 252+ incin
Indeedee is traied to speed tie with 0+ opposing indeedee

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[unborn hull]

So like 220 HP / 84 Def / 156 SpA / 48 Spe

[unborn hull]

I actually was considering that but wasnt sure since aqua jet can come clutch on specific situations, mmmm ill likely do it.

[ripe turret]

I would keep maximum hp, that way you always live a specs mirai volt switch in terrain and edrift outside as well (which I don’t exactly know how useful that is but may as well), the rest kinda just depends on how fast you want your whale to be

I ran both 112 and 115 speed at some point, the former to outspeed csr and scarf shifu and the latter to outspeed scarf lando (though I don’t think I encountered a single situation where I needed that, so take with a grain of salt

^ that’s all in tailwind lmao

[ripe turret]

with scarf you’re moving first almost all of the time, and given that you also have additional forms of speed control (tailwind, twave) I would say jet isn’t as important

[unborn hull]

Mmmm alright, thx for the help

[unborn hull]

Oh hey thats actually what i ran for some time till i think gephicka told me to add more speed

[ripe turret]

AJ

ah

stupid autocorrect

listen to gephicka then lmao

[ripe turret]

scarf csr is…a choice, you could run sash instead or smth

headlong rush on ursa over eq might be better because it deals more damage and also doesn’t require you to either damage yourself or play defensively with your other mon

shadow ball>psychic on indeedee, and don’t give it any speed because nobody is running a speed boosting nature on indeedee

lorb shifu is weird but usable I guess? but nobody is running max speed incin so you don’t need to calc for that

give your poor hearthflame a lot more speed

and also don’t use max spatk lunala, give it some more bulk

and go tera fairy indeedee because you have psyterrain to block fake out, and ghost leaves you still weak to dark

[sleek laurel]

Seconding all of this, one thing worth noting is that Max Speed Incineroar does exist

But its really rare

That said, Urshifu-R should both 1. Invest more than that in Speed anyway and 2. Not really fear Incineroar lol

That said, I'm not particularly convinced CSR + Lunala works

I think you probably just replace the CSR with your current core, especially since your team is so slow and has no Tailwind, it really wants Trick Room

One possibility is using CIR, another is using Koraidon as your Fighting-type attacker and replacing Urshifu (sun), which are both viable options

[sleek laurel]

Also Shadow Ball Indeedee is genuine

But on this its a bit sus because its mainly there for CSR, and you have a lot of Trick Room, an Ursaluna, and a Lunala

(Lunala isn't a CSR check but it has Moongeist Beam as Ghost-type damage is what I mean)

[hearty tide]

did u get inspired by the wolfe vid lmfao

[ripe turret]

yeah that was my reasoning for suggesting the change

[sleek laurel]

Oh fair lol

[reef bough]

No actually, I just started watching it yesterday

I did, however watch his Koraidon success video

[ripe turret]

https://pokepast.es/e2b24838d3e6dd13
I legit have no clue what to do against csr zama, any suggestions?

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[ripe turret]

my main strat right now is to lead farig + something else and try to set up TR

[broken shuttle]

hpump ogre can help

as can taunt torn

bc it allows you to taunt wg

[broken shuttle]

this is much too passive

i would recommend torn lando or tornogre

with farig + zacian or lando in back

[broken shuttle]

you at least need fake out for this

otherwise your farig just gets doubled and OHKOd

[ripe turret]

it lives a body press + psychic at least

unless bpress crits

[ripe turret]

I don't like gambling on 80 acc tho

I will think about taunt though

[broken shuttle]

you have origin pulse lol

it's really not any different

[ripe turret]

I only click opulse when ogre is on like 40% or less

otherwise I just spout

[broken shuttle]

sure, but in those situations you're still gambling on accuracy

[ripe turret]

true

[broken shuttle]

im saying that playing kyogre is always going to lead you to have ot gamble accuracy at some point

[ripe turret]

ok fair lol

so that would be over ice beam right

[broken shuttle]

you can do that

a lot of them do triple water move or hpump spout thunder

[ripe turret]

ok interesting

[proud gale]

https://pokepast.es/b2680adbfd390b1c thoughts

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[ripe turret]

frankly speaking, I don't think this team is very good

you have a good pair in mirai + whims but they don't synergize with the rest of the team

zama prefers chien-pao as its ruinous partner, chi-yu is mainly used with csr + korai and zama also usually isn't paired with mirai, if you want a wide guard "support" restricted go with lunala

blood moon ursaluna is outclassed by regular ursaluna in this regulation in almost every single way except maybe hard trick room, and it certainly doesn't fit on this team imo

valiant is usable but only with a support set and certainly not with the set that you're running

I would suggest either just using a sample team or, if you want to, you can try to build off of the mirai + luna + whims core (which at that point you may want to find someone more qualified than me because I have like 0 experience with building those types of teams lol)

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/437ec6c2d4866ba0 start of a team im ngl crs was a last addition as i didnt know what else to bring the idea is crs and amoongus lead have amoongus use rage powder to redirect to him and let crs set up a np so it can do what it does best going foward while amoongus runs support

[ripe turret]

looks pretty good overall, I would consider replacing arch here and giving that much-needed AV to rilla, also CM ogre is not really that great in this reg so I would give it the mystic water and give urshifu a sash or scarf

csr ogre is a bit of a weird core but if it works it works

[nimble flame]

Theres no ogerpon on my team

Oh kyoger nvm

Im slow

[nimble flame]

Like i said csr was the literall last choice cuz i had no clue what to take lastly

https://pokepast.es/d9c3841a9e6fe091 got rid of crs and arch but im not sure what else to add

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/85d4f789fe3c9d36 this may just work

[sleek laurel]

Mirai Zama is 100% genuine btw, but that's not how you build it yet

Its a bit more complicated to build but its a genuine pairing tho

Also Bloodmoon has seen use alongside it on Nikolaj's team

But that's not a team I would personally slide to a beginner

[ripe turret]

oh ok

I don’t think I’ve played against a single mirai zama ever lol

[ripe turret]

ok interesting

[ripe turret]

if it were me I would suggest zac+torn in the last two slots, but that’s just because I love swordfish

[rotund crown]

thoughts on this concept?

just thought of how no one ever uses revival blessing in VGC so tried to build around that concept

and also because tera electric double shock in terrain go brrrrrr

was tempting to run zen headbutt on boulder and twave on grimm but I'd rather not miss my moves and let's face it I'll miss enough dracos and sacred fires

[strong zealot]

https://pokepast.es/ff3d642239b05b89

Electabuzz flows incredibly good surprisingly

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[strong zealot]

feint follow me helping hand and volt switch for the change go insane

the one i am gonna change is hitmontop but i am not sure who to change for it

most problematic thing rn is koraidon

[sleek laurel]

A few sets are a little scattered, and Hitmontop should probably be an Incineroar in this case (Will-O-Wisp set cause you have Rain).

Also, Farigiraf is far from necessary here, I would recommend something like a bulky Life Orb Landorus-I to have more offensive presence and net great coverage alongside Calyrex-I too, while helping a lot vs Zamazenta-C.

Calyrex-I needs Protect, and you can use High Horsepower perfectly fine but the meta has shifted towards Leech Seed more, mainly because the survivability is so useful and it still massively punishes Zamazenta-C (this is even more preferred with Landorus).

Iron Ball Kyogre is a meme YouTube set, don't run it. Just use Mystic Water, it's more consistent and reliable, and this team isn't HardRoom anyway.
Surf, as tempting as it may seem, is also unviable because it hits your partner, you need Origin Pulse/Hydro Pump.
Also, replace Ice Beam or Thunder with Protect (probably Ice Beam because you have Calyrex-I).
Also x2, Tera Grass is preferred due to the Spore immunity and Miraidon resistance - you don't need Tera Water and Grass is more useful defensively.

Incineroar can use a standard Smogdex set, probably with Safety Goggles because Amoonguss is an issue.

Landorus-I can use a standard SmogDex Life Orb set, with either Tera Poison or Tera Water (you can consider bulkier too, maybe like Justin Tang's one if you want it). Tera Poison forces a 50-50 vs Miraidon while resisting Dazzling Gleam and Tera Water lets you survive stuff from Urshifu-R even in Rain.

Urshifu-R should be Scarf instead. This team is not HardRoom and you have no Speed control outside of Trick Room right now - also, because this is VGC, if you need Trick Room too badly, you can just not bring Urshifu.

There are also some EV spreads that need some tweaking, I can handle a bit of that for you if you want

One thing, btw, which is an extremely common misconception: Calyrex-I appreciates Trick Room, but it doesn't need it. Most Calyrex-I teams have Speed control outside of TR unless its HardRoom.

[strong zealot]

understood this is terrific advice thanks you so much

[sleek laurel]

No worries

[strong zealot]

ill do the changes and probs run inci

[sleek laurel]

Bet, gl!

[strong zealot]

yeah urshi was just so it outspeed enough outside tr and enough inside it

but your right

[sleek laurel]

You have a Kyogre already, you don't need Choice Band Urshifu lol

[strong zealot]

real lol

[sleek laurel]

Btw you can consider Tera Water Calyrex to take on Koraidon better

Same with Fire to also deny Will-O-Wisp, but if you run Leech Seed over High Horsepower that's less needed and with Fire, you are OHKO'd by Urshifu-R

In the Rain

But if you can handle the Sun matchup then Grass is fine too

[strong zealot]

@sleek laurel https://pokepast.es/10fbdebb81d941c7

ok so i made most changes but my main problem is i am wonky on the evs sets

[sleek laurel]

Knock Off over Flare Blitz on Incin, you have Rain

Earth Power and Protect over Weather Ball and Psychic on Landorus; Earth Power is needed to both bypass Wide Guard and OHKO Zamazenta-C (it's actually stronger due to the drop in spread moves) and Protect is Protect

I can do EVs for you if you want lol

[strong zealot]

that would help me a lot man lmao

[sleek laurel]

Bet nw

[strong zealot]

i just fell off the meta for a bit so am not too sure what evs to run

[sleek laurel]

Fair lol

https://pokepast.es/65a24364c863a5da @strong zealot

Also did the rest of the changes

You can consider:

• More Attack on Calyrex at the cost of some Special Defense

• Clear Amulet on Calyrex

The reason I prefer the current version is Leech Seed + Leftovers really increase your staying power, and Incineroar is threatened by literally every other offensive piece in this team for an OHKO

[strong zealot]

tyyy so much

[sleek laurel]

Np lol

[strong zealot]

i can see it bulky caly is anoying especially w a follow me user at its side

btw what you think of the electabuzz pick ?

feint feels really threatening rn

[sleek laurel]

It's like

Less effective than in Reg H due to Urshifu (Feint)

Electabuzz in general is viable, probably outclassed by most other redirectors yes

But it's easy to work with

Given that you seemingly want to use it

[strong zealot]

its mostly if anything the niche w feint follow me

since the only other option is maushold

[sleek laurel]

Feint + Follow Me is also unique yea

[strong zealot]

wich is maushold soooo lmao

[sleek laurel]

Yea lmao

Electabuzz does have

A Regulation G set too

Which is very similar to this one in terms of power level

So like

Sure its not the best choice but its deffo not unviable

[strong zealot]

yeaah i can see why others are better but its still a nice niche and i think thats enough for this team

[sleek laurel]

Yea

I might try this team on ladder later tbh

Its interesting for sure lol

[strong zealot]

from what i tried the worse version it sure is very nice

water sprout on tr plus rain is insane lol

especially w electabuzz

[sleek laurel]

Water Spout on Rain in general, in ladder environments, is the weapon of all time

[strong zealot]

even if it died early water sprout glacial lance just cleans everything else lol

[sleek laurel]

No one knows what to do against it

So like

Lmao.

[strong zealot]

trueee

ive seen aqua jets into it just to lower it a bit

it didnt work

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[grizzled nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/46fdb2b137028930 thoughts

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[grizzled nacelle]

sorry why do you have cud chew on the farifarig

[nimble flame]

What is swordfish?

[ripe turret]

oh it's just like the informal name for zac + ogre

cuz you know

sword + fish

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/0a17e3474c274400 do i run thunder over cm?

[ripe turret]

go water spout mystic water and give urshifu sash, also run sacred sword on zac

scarf I mean not sash

[nimble flame]

Did oger not fucking update?

UGH

[ripe turret]

rip

also lower your rilla's attack stat

by like a lot

and put it into spdef/def/spe

and run tera poison

or tera fire ig

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/cb31cf073cf65f13

@ripe turret that look better?

[ripe turret]

thunder>protect on ogre, protect>u-turn/coaching on urshifu, swords dance>sacred sword on zac

also make rilla 76+ atk

instead of 36

[nimble flame]

So protect over thunder and i forgot to switch shifu thanks for noticing that

[ripe turret]

and make kyogre 156+ spa

[nimble flame]

Lower def im guessing?

https://pokepast.es/5a3d5e36c4ad92be

[ripe turret]

I would put some more into its speed, but other than that everything else looks great

you could consider hydro pump over ice beam to help against wide guard, but that's just personal preference

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/706fb329d7fc1c61 that look better?

[broken shuttle]

looks good

200 HP isn't an EV number on kyogre btw

neither is 64

go 68 and 196 or 60 and 204

i would also recommend hydro pump on ogre over origin pulse to allow you to get around wide guard

[broken shuttle]

i think this team is a little too slow to support kyogre and has a few odd mon choices that kind of just don't fit

drop garg for tornadus

that gives you more immediate speed control

you also need protect on chien-pao

drop one of taunt or sacred sword for it

this also seems a bit weak to opposing urshifu, so go tera water or dragon on zamazenta so you resist surging strikes

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/ed03f1c24fb122b9

Hello, I want some feedback on this team. So the team does work pretty well, I went 8-2 in testing just now. I don't have replays unfortunately because I'm really stupid and forgot to save them but I digress.

I did change some things before I sent this paste, Ursaluna over Iron Treads. I liked Iron Treads but I want to test Ursaluna. Life Orb over Assault Vest for Mirai. I tried AV, but I didn't like it... with so much damage needed from Mirai, it didn't make sense. I did have Specs but I have always hated being locked into moves... it's just not my playstyle but I am willing to change it back. The EVs on my Mirai are my own, I wanted some bulk to survive things like CC Koria + Icy Wind flutter... that was my main calc but I did more.

So I do like the team however it does feel clunky at times, I think maybe changing my Incin set to AV would be good but I have no clue as I've only ever used goggles, sitrus, and rocky helmet. I thought about changing t-wave for parting shot if I did that but it doesn't make sense as I use t-wave for important speed control. Any feedback would be nice!

[broken shuttle]

AV incin would be good here, i would also suggest going urshifu-r over urshifu-s

urshifu-s is kind of redundant here bc you already have grimm and incin

lorb miraidon is kind of interesting here, it seems viable to me here

but yeah definitely urshifu-r here

[grizzled nacelle]

alr thanks

[steep mesa]

what type of usr should i be running? i was looking at labmaus and stuff and people run band with teams similar to mine however they use whimsicott instead of grinmsnarl for speed, i have choice scarf on mine rn which means i lose taunt which i like running w my usr but i outspeed stuff like csr. js wondering if you have any ideas

[broken shuttle]

there are a few options

you could go bulky CB or mystic water, focus sash, or scarf

i would consider either bulky or scarf here

[grizzled nacelle]

i havent struggled with urshifu but ill consider the change

[steep mesa]

i tested and i think scarf is better. helps in csr and does enough damage to other targets, bulky mystic worked okay and it was nice having taunt and bulky band worked too. i might change up ur urshifu as the meta devolps. ty for the suggestions!

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/e1bfc3481080d14f

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[inner grove]

Hey can i get some help with this team? I really would like to use the Necrozma Flamigo core but is 3 psychic types too much? One's defensive one doesnt have a psychic move and the other's shadow rider:
https://pokepast.es/b951b29154578809

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[inner grove]

I do understand type overlap isnt really a good thing but do they overlap in that sense?

[ripe turret]

from what I can see it looks good, maybe consider changing whims to tera dark but other than that nothing else really

[ripe turret]

in this case yes, defensively you have a large weakness to dark-types

weakness policy necrozma is not good unless you have a consistent way to activate it, which you don’t (or at least not yet)

and it certainly wants photon geyser as a move if you’re going to use it at all

and probably trick room too

[inner grove]

but If its TR then flamigo

[ripe turret]

ok I can understand that

[ripe turret]

actually scratch this, dusk mane is just not very good tbh

but if you would like to use it, idt stacking psychics is the way to go

[inner grove]

how should i go about it then?

[ripe turret]

from what I know about dusk mane (which is not a lot) it’s usually used as a bulky attacker that can work both in and out of TR

usually with clam I think

[inner grove]

clam?

[ripe turret]

clamulet

[inner grove]

ah

[ripe turret]

usually runs sunsteel, photon, protect, and TR

[inner grove]

who should i use for flamigo?

[ripe turret]

for weakness policy I think it’s too slow to take advantage of it properly

[ripe turret]

uh

I think I’m probably gonna stop giving advice as I don’t know much about dusk mane other than what set it runs

raters help me out please

sorry

[inner grove]

thats ok

[fading atlas]

do you think putting a light screen on whimsicot instead of encore and changing grimmsnarl to a chien pao would be a good idea?

https://pokepast.es/087f40e304f551d0

like that

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[sleek laurel]

Team looks good but I would replace Fake Tears instead on Whimsi

Encore is WAY too useful, and Light Screen's benefit on the opposing Miraidon and the Calyrex-S matchup are more valuable than Fake Tears

It also helps Volcarona setup

I can see where you brought Fake Tears from (Scarf Miraidon's damage output is worse than Specs', obviously), but the defensive benefits are just more useful for the team in general, plus it helps Zamazenta-C take on Miraidon and stuff like Chi-Yu

Also, you can prolly get away with just Specs Miraidon here tbh

Mainly because Scarf is a bit redundant with Tailwind

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/25e468afa63663d0

This PokePaste is the updated version of the pokepaste in the reply. I changed urs-ss to urs-rs and I changed Miraidons and Incins EVS.

Miraidons EVS are to speed tie Adamant Korai as well as hitting hard. I did run specs however I do not like being locked into moves and I like how versatile I can be with Lorb. I liked AV mirai but it was too slow and didnt hit as hard as I wanted to so I'm using Lorb. Incin EVs are to be 1 speed point ahead of most Rillas as most of them run 4 Spe Evs.

I was wondering if anyone has more thoughts about my team and if there's anything else to change or if it's good where its at.

[fading atlas]

Is it better to train in pokemon showdown or ranked on switch?

[broken shuttle]

realistically unless you want to climb the in-game ladder or go to a regional you don't need to train anything on the switch

btw, this is more of a #comp-general question, thanks!

[broken shuttle]

something you can consider is speed creeping your lunala a bit, but realistically other than that it should be fine & even then you should do some testing before you creep

[steep mesa]

mkay ty, ill keep on testing and i probably will creep my lunala a little.

[ripe turret]

I think most rilla actually run 12 speed EVs according to pikalytics

either that or 0

[steep mesa]

ah shi im dumb

[ripe turret]

lol happens

[steep mesa]

ty tho

[ripe turret]

yup

[steep mesa]

do u think its even worth out speeding rilla, i lose out on some bulk but i dont like being the slowest fake out

[ripe turret]

personally I don't like fast incineroar, but it's definitely usable

it can catch a lot of people off guard

it really comes down to if you value the bulk or the speed more

[steep mesa]

ill try fast incin and if i dont like it ill js go back to bulk incin

[ripe turret]

alr that's a good idea

[steep mesa]

speedy incin really helped against rilla and i was able to be a lot more aggressive with it, def caught ppl off guard so i'm going to keep it for now but i'm going to work on distributing the bulk better and if I can't i might js go back to bulky incin. it does harm my tr match a lil bit but its honestly not too noticable because my ursaluna deters most tr.

[ripe turret]

alr that’s great to hear!

[spare radish]

hey guys, im getting into competetive pokemon for the first time and was wondering if anyone had any ideas on how to improve this team? Ik its not the greatest but its really fun and snorlax is my fav pokemon.

https://pokepast.es/8766fc1367c7353e

one thing ive noticed is that I barely use iron hands at all so either a suggestion on how to use him better or a replacement would be nice

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[steep mesa]

In the current format there’s two restricteds. It’s looks like you want hard TR so you could use something like Lunala or Necrozma Dawn Wings.

[icy halo]

https://pokepast.es/266c85ad41709b57
rate it and recommend changes

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[broken shuttle]

lando and torkoal are super redundant

i also think incin and ogerpn are kind of as well

you already have a defensive fire type with ho-oh

you don't necessarily need two more

outside of tera groudon this team has literally no kyogre switchins

i think to start i would just take the restricted pair

from there i would add flutter mane because it gives you fast icy wind and lines into miraidon and koraidon

you definitely want some kind of grass type so either amoonguss or ogerpon-c should slot in

[icy halo]

wo chien is a possibility?

[broken shuttle]

you could maybe even consider ogerpon teal mask because defiant seems fairly useful here

[broken shuttle]

no, it has direct anti-synergy with your physical attacking restricteds

[icy halo]

im controlling speed with will o wisp

[broken shuttle]

that's not speed control

[icy halo]

burn do not halve the speed?

[broken shuttle]

no, it halves the base power of physical attacks

you're confusing it for paralysis

[icy halo]

hum

paralysis condition halve the speed then?

[broken shuttle]

yes

[icy halo]

ok]

so

torkoal is not usual

i ill take ogerpon and torkoal

have you talked anything about groundon and ho oh?

[broken shuttle]

those sets are fine

[icy halo]

hummm

a grass type gonna keeps me safe

then

or electric

[broken shuttle]

just grass

[icy halo]

raging maybe?

amonguss

[broken shuttle]

bolt is a good idea

yeah

[icy halo]

i have two spaces now

this two are cool?

land surpreend with a great poison damage when terastalyse

lise

idk

its a win condiiton

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/d05e155e8a0c696f

i think this works well

[icy halo]

humm

listen

[broken shuttle]

flutter mane provides you immediate speed control in sun, while ogerpon gives you offensive and defensive outs into kyogre and calyrex-ice

[icy halo]

i have played some matchs with the og team and i noticed that tailwind is not worth with ho oh to sweep in the same match

[broken shuttle]

tbh

i don't think there are really any better 4th moves to run on ho oh

[icy halo]

i would have to choose to use him as a bulky special support or a bulky special atk

[broken shuttle]

tailwind is still rly good for giving you options into faster teams

or balance-y terapagos teams

[icy halo]

extrassensory

hurricane

[broken shuttle]

those are both special attacks

ho oh is a physical attacker

[icy halo]

oh

sure

sorry

[icy halo]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

don't be lol

[icy halo]

ill try that

[broken shuttle]

gl

[icy halo]

if I find something that is bad ill return

thanks for this

[broken shuttle]

lmk if you have any additional questions !

[icy halo]

thanks man

[broken shuttle]

oh i did miss something

go heat crash over fire punch on groudon

it's good other than that👍

[jovial creek]

Fire punch is good

You r wrong

It hits the fat ones

[broken shuttle]

it's AV

he has hhp

click that into zama

heat crash is better into basically everything else

[jovial creek]

Cir

[broken shuttle]

that's true

but the team has a ho oh

and incin for that matter

im less concerned with cir here

[gusty epoch]

Hello, my first ever attempt at team building 🙂 Would appreciate advice (any noob traps I fell into?)

https://pokepast.es/f605a72f34a03a04

[broken shuttle]

this is mostly good just needs a few adjustments

zamazenta & urshifu are super redundant here, you already have koraidon as a fighting type and koraidon's sun is actively detrimental to urshifu's water moves

i would drop zamazenta here for Lunala or Calyrex-S and drop urshifu for Ursaluna or Raging Bolt (only use ursaluna if you choose Lunala)

additionally, Koraidon should be jolly in order to speed tie opposing flutter mane and outspeed slower miraidon

Flutter Mane should be tera normal to avoid being hit by astral barrage

and incineroar should be tera bug to absorb a hit from koraidon or zamazenta

https://pokepast.es/2fe645742c870209
https://pokepast.es/bf1138b9121b76a4

you can also take the raging bolt from the second team and use it over ursaluna on the first one

[icy halo]

thinking of changing the groundon item, the choice band, very unexpected and with the calculations, fire punch does better. with this change, I would make other exchanges to balance the team.
another thing: I removed raging bolt beacuse he was useless, and i was having difficulty against fairy type, sheerforce landorus with tera poison and sludge bomb saved me sometimes

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/31f962e3f8a4cb19

the matchup I struggle against is opposing calyrex - i, zamazenta, and chien pao. Is there anything i should change?

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[sleek laurel]

A few noteworthy things:

[sleek laurel]

• If you're using Life Orb Miraidon, you probably want to drop Dazzling Gleam; Volt Switch is more important especially in Calyrex-I compositions and most of the relevant redirectors explode to Glacial Lance, bar Volcarona (Ogerpon-H still explodes in the long term unless it commits Tera Fire)

• Run Psychic over Shadow Ball on Farigiraf, you need the STAB and Foul Play already does everything you want Shadow Ball to do (except OHKO CSR from full, but CSR can't break Farig anyway and it also Teras in front of Foul Play)

• Especially since you're running Brave Calyrex-I, I don't like Whimsicott at all here. It exerts zero offensive pressure, which this team already lacks somewhat (not that much, but a little bit), and Tailwind is exclusively appreciated by Miraidon. I would replace it with something like Volcarona - it has more offensive pressure than Whimsicott, offers redirection, and offers an amazing check to every single one of the threats you mentioned.

Incineroar can also work (more reliable against Calyrex-I) but it struggles into Zamazenta

Oh, and you also forgot 0 Speed IVs on Calyrex-I lol

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/9537d39226e21d63

how this?

[sleek laurel]

Sorry, I had to go sleep lol

Foul Play > Shadow Ball on Farig and you're golden

You can consider Struggle Bug over Will-O-Wisp on Volcarona too

Because you have Flame Body already and Struggle Bug weakens the special attackers, which you currently have no way of weakening per se (mainly Terapagos and Calyrex-S), but that's optional

[sleek laurel]

Also, one of Tera Water or Dark on Farig is preferred over Fairy

Water aids in walling Calyrex-I due to the lack of Electric Seed, while Dark allows Foul Play to OHKO both Calyrex-S and +1 Calyrex-I, but you have to take a +1 Glacial Lance first in the latter's case (which you can but it does a fuckton)

I personally am big on Dark for Electric Seed sets, but Water is probably better on this one

This is extremely minor tho

[inner basin]

All good

Tysm

[icy halo]

@broken shuttle

https://pokepast.es/019d299ab3fd931c

see

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[icy halo]

oh

[jovial creek]

Don't run band groudon please

[icy halo]

why?

surprise

[jovial creek]

Locking into a move is pretty bad for it

I think AV or clam are better

[icy halo]

ive used av but dealing a better damage with groundon have saved me

[icy halo]

there somethings that i need to improve

the enemy flutter manes is annoying me, idk how to kill em

there some steel mon in this meta?

or any with steel atk

to kill manes

[ripe turret]

zac/zama are the only ones I can think of

[icy halo]

venossaur is usable?

ill try

im running groundon band

[ripe turret]

venasaur is not very usable in this reg

[icy halo]

venossour is a detail

[ripe turret]

and besides it doesn’t hit flutter for SE anyway

[icy halo]

venossaur specs in sun

https://pokepast.es/f794538adf74c659

[ripe turret]

don’t run protect on a specs set

[icy halo]

sorry

it isnt the final moveset

[ripe turret]

all g

[icy halo]

just to showcase

[ripe turret]

idt specs venusaur is good at all, usually you would use it as a chlorophyll sleep powder mon

[icy halo]

i see

specs isnt the best choice

it coverage is not good

[ripe turret]

yeah usually you would use covert cloak and sleep powder

and then two stab moves and protect

[icy halo]

im thinking in covert cloak too

[icy halo]

https://pokepast.es/a8d30878bd07451b
theres any way to buff venusaur spa without using specs?

venusaur is a mid game pokemon

dealing damage with another moon and put him with groundon to revenge

[ripe turret]

run sleep powder over earth power

venusaur isn’t a damage mon, you lead it with a sun setter and try to put stuff to sleep

if you want to boost its damage I have seen some people run life orb

also I would run energy ball over solar beam as a more consistent damaging option

[plain brook]

Yall sleeping on Libero Cinderace fr.

[sleek laurel]

Np, sorry I thought I said that lmao

Good luck with the improved team fr

[grizzled nacelle]

im considering dropping zamazenta for ogerpon wellspring

https://pokepast.es/fd66d5f690f0c7ef this is the current team and yh im seeing the urshifu matchup struggle a bit especially against my own rain

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[icy halo]

hummm

[icy halo]

https://pokepast.es/724a568208153c92

whats my team missing?

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[icy halo]

gave up on venusaur

[untold relic]

https://pokepast.es/ebb41cf6104f4c31
on paper this struggles with Koraidon
but idk what to drop

[ripe turret]

doesn’t cir counter korai

oh wait you don’t have hhp

uh maybe replace amoonguss

[sonic wind]

Eternatus ❤️

[velvet cove]

https://pokepast.es/60b8b13ff3ee39df ive built this team and like

i think calyrex, alcremie, terapagos and rilla r good on this team but

i feel liek there's def smthing better i can do for the rest

or maybe those arent allat too

looking for advice

built this around alcremie as i thought it had some niche over smeargle

[untold relic]

any suggestions?

[untold relic]

On this I would drop Alcremie for Smeargle if you want Decorate shenanigans

[sonic wind]

you drop etern

[untold relic]

that or Shifu-RS for a well-rounded core

[untold relic]

mm idts

that's kinda the point of the team

[sonic wind]

I dont think stalletern is viable or worth using on that team

[velvet cove]

nah

alcremie has niche

[crisp forge]

Can someone rate this team? Thanks so much!
Miraidon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Hadron Engine
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature

• Dazzling Gleam
• Electro Drift
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch

Whimsicott (F) @ Mental Herb
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Encore
• Tailwind
• Taunt

Kyogre @ Life Orb
Ability: Drizzle
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Origin Pulse
• Water Spout
• Ice Beam
• Thunder

Incineroar (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Aqua Jet
• Surging Strikes
• U-turn
• Close Combat

Farigiraf (M) @ Electric Seed
Ability: Armor Tail
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Psychic
• Foul Play
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[ripe turret]

not bad but needs some changes to almost all of the sets

first of all don’t EV any of your mons to be max/max except for urshifu

AV mirai usually runs tera electric and snarl as the fourth move - this allows you to sort of make up for the lack of power that comes with using AV instead of specs and allows mirai to fulfill a semi-support role by weakening special attackers

whimsicott wants moonblast over dazzling gleam as it deals more single-target damage and probably light screen over taunt to make mirai/ogre an absolute beast on the special side, also tera dark over water because you have rain to weaken fire and it prevents it from getting taunted, and replace mental herb with covert cloak to avoid fake out

ogre really values its high bulk, so chipping 10% HP every time you go for an attack is not good - go with mystic water for the item and replace thunder with protect

incin is mostly ok other than flare blitz - since you have rain you don’t want a fire move, replace it with will-o-wisp to threaten physical attackers or taunt to shut down TR, and you can also consider changing its tera to ghost or bug depending on what resistances you want

urshifu looks fine, but replace u-turn with protect

farig also looks fine other than maybe its tera, you could go with water or fairy

oh and btw please send a pokepaste next time lol

[crisp forge]

Thank you so much! 🙂

[ripe turret]

👍

[ripe turret]

one more thing I forgot to mention go tera water/stellar over fire on ursh since you have the sash anyway so you don’t need a defensive tera

[crisp forge]

ok

also do you have any recomended spreads for my pokemon? thanks

[ripe turret]

do you mind if I get back to you tomorrow? sorry I gotta go to sleep right now

[crisp forge]

yeah

ofc

[tiny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/fd896fbeae1b30d3 made a horrid team on the train 🔥 help me fix it im not attatched to any of the pokemon other than pawmot cuz i think its funny

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[jovial creek]

If you want to use pawmot it has to be focus Sash with revival blessing

And id try to use it with some restricted Pokémon that like having a second change to sweep, maybe calyrex shadow

Pawmot also isnt very good, I'd recommend against using it unless you really want to

[tiny cairn]

i know its bad i just think its REALLY funny

but yeah ill switch that up

thx

spreads okay?

[jovial creek]

Uh

No

Use the ones from here:https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

You can sort by pokemon and then by format

[tiny cairn]

alr

cool thx

[ornate cloak]

Where do I get old format teams rated?

[broken shuttle]

you can send them here

[ornate cloak]

Mega Salamence balance https://share.google/xt5YxT4zxeRDsmecd

VGC 2018

This is the first time I've made a gen 7 team so it's prolly awful

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/18b4f89a4ac55b2a
got a concept reg i team that excels at speed control. Started with a dumb idea where assault vest blissey just never dies, ends up spamming icy wind and both my restricted go to town after outspeeding. Especially is strong into miraidon, caly-s, terapagos and lunala. On teams like zacian and korai, torn works better as a speed control. Resh and bliss super appreciate grassy terrain healing. Win-con is usually outspeeding with Tera fire resh. Mostly experimental and has some weaknesses, especially trick room and caly-i.

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[icy halo]

https://pokepast.es/812ef696920553c7
rate it

im gonna take close combat from brute

and tera fighting

[untold relic]

me personally I would just go to VGC UU

(jk jk)

on a real note Band Groudon is not viable

you'd much rather Clam SD or AV
Groudon as a whole in Reg I isn't great

[ripe turret]

ehhh it’s like a B tier restricted imo, and I think they were trying to test it out since they have been posting here for some time already

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/09d4c5094407f025

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[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/c548815170f95a66

can someone help me with my entei machup

[vast path]

https://pokepast.es/6e8c91700d631608 made a korai semi sun team

[vast path]

if your team is unfinished please dont post it

[fading atlas]

?

[vast path]

only has 5 mons

oh wait

sorry

flutter didnt show up for me

[ripe turret]

I mean 5 mons is usually OK because the team is mostly finished at that point, besides they could just add a random sixth mon and ask for a replacement lol

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/ead82d238f40d991

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[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/76ab343693d66fb8
ㅤ

[ripe turret]

looks good

no suggestions from me

[hearty tide]

why max spd icnin

[fading atlas]

to use fake out first on other incineroars or rillaboons 100%

[hearty tide]

bad

[fading atlas]

why?

please don't say what you don't know

[sleek laurel]

Flare Blitz Incin?

Oh wait its AV

Yea looks flawless

[sleek laurel]

It's uncommon but not bad

And its considerably more viable on AV

But on either item its a real thing

[sleek laurel]

Actually one thing, I'd recommend running either Relaxed or 27 Speed IVs Bold on Amoonguss

But that's the most minor detail EVER

My eyes just happened to come across it LOL

[ripe turret]

looks good, but I would make incin 252hp and 188def bold, allows it to live surging strikes 82% of the time if I’m not mistaken? Also I don’t think 0 speed hands is necessary, I get that it’s your TR counter but this helps it perform better in tailwind

very minor things overall, everything else looks good

[fading atlas]

okk

tysm

[sleek laurel]

Np

[hearty tide]

I usually have sun up cuz of torn+korai tho

so Idt surging strikes will do much

[ripe turret]

ok that’s fair

does the spdef do anything though?

because if not then you may as well

[hearty tide]

help with my miraidon matchup

i guess

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/3f54e2ff860f2fcb

the problem ive been having with this team are the prankster tailwind setters (tornadus and whimiscott)

Either when I’m using my sun core or. Trick room mode, they either tailwind and outspeed proto flutter or taunt lunala

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[sleek laurel]

Its a relatively tough mu by nature yea, what I usually like to do is either lead Flutter and play Icy Wind games or lead Korai + Lunala (if it's like Tornadus) and force them to choose between Trick Room denial or saving Tornadus

The team looks fine tho

Flutter in particular is really good in this kind of case due to Focus Sash

With Clear Amulet Koraidon you can also consider Collision Course, as the Close Combat rolls are not relevant

(By not relevant I mean they don't apply)

But you can also use Combat if you like the miscellaneous extra damage more than keeping your Defenses up

[inner basin]

Should i keep those leads if the have fake out + tornadus?

[ivory tendon]

Rate my team

[ripe turret]

right now we’re playing in a double restricted legendary format, and your team only has one. I would suggest just grabbing a rental team from the VGCPastes Repository (link pinned in the channel) if you are relatively new to this format.

[velvet cove]

https://pokepast.es/f3b0719a41f0670e

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/c1083db31fef102e
How's this team

[sleek laurel]

Aqua Jet > Brick Break on Urshifu and a few EV spread changes and its perfect

Mainly Miraidon can't be that slow, and Calyrex-I wants more bulk (max Attack is not needed)

[sleek laurel]

Seems fine, how is the pairing doing?

Haven't seen much of Mirai CSR

Building looks flawless tho

Can consider Timid Miraidon, but you have CSR so its less needed

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/f3021e1ca5e3e660

Try this! Just fixed some EVs and the Brick Break, also Psychic > Psychic Noise on Farig is generally being better atm (but you can use both)

[velvet cove]

i feel like it is pretty solid, mainly im wondering abt sets

like if scarf urshifu rapid is the wya

clef moveset

[sleek laurel]

Scarf is definitely the way, especially if you're using Lorb CSR

[velvet cove]

ye that is fair

[sleek laurel]

If you're using Sash CSR then its not necessary

But with LO then you really want the Surging Strikes OHKO onto opposing Sash CSR

Clef moves are fine

I think that's the only Clef set lol

[velvet cove]

lmao true

ursa is kinda

a problem

is what im noticing

[sleek laurel]

Ursa is a bit troublesome yea

Probably the counterplay is Clefairy's Follow Me + Iron Hands Tera

I don't know if you can change much to check it

Maybe you can slot in an Incineroar over Clefairy but that's probably about it

(Incineroar doesn't check Ursa, but it weakens it to the point Terastallized Miraidon can live a hit, pressures pinning it with Fake Out, forcing it to Tera then get Barrage'd, yadda yadda)

[velvet cove]

hmm

im wondering if

whimsi is the freeloader here

thoughts

tho it is good into like mirai

[sleek laurel]

Sorry, I had to drop

Will get back at you as soon as I'm home and done with some affairs

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/a9b4e359c73ab7af @sleek laurel
I changed incineroar a little because was suffering a lot for amoonguss, what do you think about it?

and can facilitate matchups against wide guard too

[opal cargo]

My first time building a team, thoughts?

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs
Ability: Adaptability
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hyper Beam
• Ice Beam
• Shadow Ball
• Trick

Ribombee @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shield Dust
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Tailwind
• Pollen Puff
• Moonblast
• Protect

Garchomp @ Life Orb
Ability: Rough Skin
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• Swords Dance
• Protect

Grimmsnarl @ Light Clay
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 196 SpD
Careful Nature

• Reflect
• Light Screen
• Spirit Break
• Parting Shot

Lilligant-Hisui @ Wide Lens
Ability: Hustle
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Victory Dance
• Leaf Blade
• Rock Slide
• Protect

Iron Bundle @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Freeze-Dry
• Icy Wind
• Hydro Pump
• Protect

[fading atlas]

for the current meta, it's not good

[jovial creek]

what did you change

taunt?

it looks good

[fading atlas]

yes

[opal cargo]

Dang haha I'm not new to pokemon, but I am new to competitive haha. Also hi! I am new to the discord 😁

[ripe turret]

I’m so sorry I completely forgot about this lmao

lemme pull up the sets for you real quick

Miraidon @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Hadron Engine
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 212 SpA / 4 SpD / 20 Spe
Tera Type: Electric
Modest Nature

• Electro Drift
• Volt Switch
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 180 HP / 108 SpD / 220 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Timid Nature

• Moonblast
• Tailwind
• Encore
• Light Screen

Incineroar @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Atk / 188 Def / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Tera Type: Bug
Impish Nature

• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

Farigiraf @ Electric Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Armor Tail
EVs: 236 HP / 164 Def / 108 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Bold Nature

• Foul Play
• Psychic
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[crisp forge]

Thank you so much ❤️ ! Your feedback was so great!

[faint steppe]

https://pokepast.es/93dd9b426a14ccdf

random 3am team... (paraflinch, trick room, snow team)

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[sleek laurel]

You're allowed two Restricted Legendaries, and unfortunately most of your Pokémon are not viable

I would recommend picking a sample team for now, getting a feel of the meta, and then building your own

[rare hill]

https://pokepast.es/159ef118d6fa9e2a yeah ik this is like my millionth team sorry I just can't commit to one

[rare hill]

It is literally just a normal sun team I made with korai-oh

[rare hill]

anyone there?

[glacial lotus]

I feel like

This loses to miraidon

[granite plinth]

There's something wrong with me, I can't get Urshifu to do shit for me
https://pokepast.es/cdaeffcddd11fb2d

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[rare hill]

then what should I change

I can see that rlly only one pokemon combats it but the most popular tera-types of electric and fairy will override that

so wth should i do.

[ripe turret]

the only mon I know that can hit mirai in and out of all its teras is landorus incarnate

life orb tera poison sludge bomb should be an ohko for tera fairy, as well as earth power for non tera/electric

although if it’s AV mirai then you might have a problem

[ripe turret]

just a few other things, I don’t think you should run clam with close combat on korai, you should probably choose either lorb + close combat or clamulet + collision course

tera ground>grass on ho-oh, that way you get rid of a water weakness, and don’t minmax its stats

wake is a fakemon

flutter wants icy wind for speed control because the only other speed control you have is tailwind on ho-oh which feels kinda inconsistent to me

I don’t think specs tork is any good except on hardroom, you could run a more support-ish set with yawn or smth

lilligant is also a fakemon imo but I guess if you want to use it you can

[sleek laurel]

Wake is not that much of a fakemon

Its good enough in hard Sun to give you more coverage and help with Fire-type resistances

The rest is all true

Also, I wouldn't recommend Torkoal at all here

Probably just go Amoonguss or Brute Bonnet

If you want to discourage TR

[rare hill]

Yeah I heard some people i know saying to not go with torkoal

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[rare hill]

my thought was chloro follow me lilligant on torkoal eruption/heat wave spam

[sleek laurel]

Follow Me has priority

Unless you mean After You

And yea makes sense, but trust me, you really don't need even more Fire-type damage

It's a similar concept to people dropping Ogerpon-H in Sun teams for other Ogerpon formes

And it's also why I actually like Walking Wake here

Brb

[rare hill]

oh woops

after u

I mean the move after you

Although I have been thinking about either a pokemon that can shut down other weathers for me, or be able to work outside of sun

man this teambuilding stuff is so weird

and I suck at vgc so uhh works out

I rlly only put my teams here for the sake of teambuilding

otherwise idc.

[rare hill]

but I think torkoal can work so Imma use it

[astral osprey]

Random question where did u get that format for the team it looks amazing

[ripe turret]

I was wondering about that too lmao

[fading atlas]

it's a bot from a discord server

[glacial lotus]

U could use rillaboom to shutdown miraidons terrain but its still gonna hurt

Its not a complete counter tho

https://pokepast.es/200bda162b106868

Idk if this team is good

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[ripe turret]

a team without any form of speed control is not a team that I would ever suggest playing, but you also have a free slot if you replace valiant (which I don’t think is very useful here), so you can fix both issues and change it to whimsicott or something

[glacial lotus]

Owh i see

[ripe turret]

also a couple of additional things, amoonguss with miraidon has seen usage I think but I personally don’t like it because you’re losing one of amoonguss’ most valuable tools in spore, which at that point why are you really running it other than redirection you know?

[glacial lotus]

I

I completely forgot pokemon cant sleep in electric terrain

[ripe turret]

lol it happens

[glacial lotus]

I might just go ogerpon

[ripe turret]

yeah that’s a good idea

[glacial lotus]

Is wellspring or cornerstone better

[ripe turret]

last thing incin probably wants wisp instead of flare blitz, I feel like (and this is kinda a personal thing) unless you’re running sun or AV flare blitz isn’t as worth it as a utility move

uh I was thinking hearthflame actually

[glacial lotus]

Zamn

Alr

Sure

Id like to keep flare on incin cuz he ends up in alot of my endgames

[ripe turret]

ok sure

[glacial lotus]

I could try with will o wisp

Ill test will o wisp

And see if that works better

[ripe turret]

ok

I think you could probably replace goggles because again, eterrain blocks sleep

[glacial lotus]

Sitrus berry?

[ripe turret]

probably rocky helm I think

[glacial lotus]

I see