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[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/98033222b65156c3 ive been using this team for a little bit and was wondering if i should edit anything.

im using leech seed cir because of a video by cybertron intrigued me, i paired him with gothitelle to stop pokemon from switching out of his leech seed. i also went flutter to have a perish song mode. i went av miraidon because he's bulky and i wanted high damage and i am able to outspeed out miraidons in tr. ursaluna is my favorite pokemon and i thought he slotted in nicely here. grimmsnarl is grimmsnarl, origanally had atales but it js didnt make sense.

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[sleek laurel]

This could work in theory but I would advise against building Perish Song if you're not like a super giga mega blaster professional

It's the single hardest viable archetype to pilot by a lot

Leech Seed Caly + Miraidon is a common core, AV is a nice idea esp with Grimm

Ursaluna in these cores is also common

A friend of mine actually has a team with these four

But the Perish Song and Shadow Tag concept makes this team infinitely harder to pilot for no real benefit

And while Shadow Tag + Leech Seed makes sense in theory

It's not needed, since with such an offensive core, you can instead capitalize on them having to switch, if they opt to switch away from Leech Seed

I would just use Rocky Helmet Incineroar and Focus Sash Urshifu-R over Flutter Mane and Gothitelle

Other four are fine

Another thing to consider is Thunder Wave > Parting Shot on Grimmsnarl but that's optional, but its probably better as a secondary form of Speed control and more strongly preferred if you use Incineroar too

[steep mesa]

mkay tysm for the detailed answer, ill keep your suggestions in mind and adjust my team accordingly

[sleek laurel]

Np and gl!

[lone inlet]

what should i put as my sixth https://pokepast.es/3f95a2d7b9d87786

i kinda want something else that takes use of tailwind

like urshifu maybe?

or firepon

[jovial creek]

Go farigiraf over indeedee

Double terrain is awkward

Ogerpon hearthflame is good for redirection

[lone inlet]

ok but i cant have cir farigiraf and ogerpon on the field at the same time

i can try that tho

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[lone inlet]

i like using indeedee cuz it can redirect and set trick room

depending on the situation

[jovial creek]

But you have to mess up your own terrain

And in a double restricted format having anti synergy with one of your restricted Pokémon is kinda meh

[lone inlet]

thats true

[sullen river]

I could see amoongus as a partner for cally I instead of indeedee for trickroom support and redirection

[lone inlet]

what do i do against fake out then

[steep mesa]

could i use coaching on urshi?

[sleek laurel]

Only if you run Scarf

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/cced2f6be958fb7a

(reg I tailroom) so i made some changes. replaced tornadus with jugulis and ineedee for ogerpon. the tewam does struggle against terapogos and and opposing calyrex-i

[dry granite]

https://pokepast.es/9b2a713c7e7517ab
can yall help with this team?
Im kinda struggling with direction on it, so far ive kinda been doing tailroom with a focus on sleep but idk what to do and i also feel like incineroar doesnt incline me to bring it much here

Shifu, Terap, Caly, and Amoonguss all feel good and like they probably have some variation of the right set

Smeargle also hasn’t felt bad but I feel like I need something faster for tailwind, probably tornadus or smth

[jovial creek]

just run this team https://pokepast.es/6532e04e50e189c2

its similar and better

[jovial creek]

you could try whims>incin

but I worry about opposing fake out

[inner basin]

Oh nice

Anything I should change?

[jovial creek]

nah its a really good team

https://pokepast.es/f9972eab81f9e1fb version with evs

[inner basin]

Is CIR speed spec to outspeed soming under tailwind?

[jovial creek]

probably

[sleek laurel]

Outspeeds Landorus-I under Tailwind

And outspeeds -1 mons at 112s

I know 36 speed CIR

[inner basin]

Aye

[jovial creek]

no it doesn't

I found it

[jovial creek]

its for urshifu when you have tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Wait

Its

Oh right 116 is the

Landorus one

Sorry there are so many Caly-I Speed spreads LMAO

36 for Ursh, 68 for Kyogre, 116 for Lando, 140 was used in some Electroweb teams, some tried 100 and now 20 with Leech Seed

[inner basin]

Ahh

[untold relic]

https://pokepast.es/727d7de8a763f6e2

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[untold relic]

ah, shit.

welp

ignore the suboptimal spreads but it's my attempt on Groudon rn
struggling a little bit into CIR and CSR but most other restricteds are fine

CIR specifically the more offensive HHP ones Leech Seed is manageable with SD Tera Fire Groudon
CSR the sash / lo plot ones are annoying esp w/ tera dark to block thundy

[jovial creek]

Why thundy

I think groudon is better with like

Miraidon as a partner

[untold relic]

eerie + twave
because... I'm tired of dealing with mirai csr

[jovial creek]

I think

That isn't the mon for the job

Why not just like

Groudon behind screens

[untold relic]

that's what I was thinking of asw but then no speed control

thoughts on like groudon p2 grimmsnarl miraidon

[jovial creek]

Farig>p2

One of my friends built a cool groudon team

But i cannot find it

[untold relic]

[jovial creek]

@broken shuttle do you have andre's groudon team

[untold relic]

I don't think so

[broken shuttle]

which one

https://pokepast.es/8442e29a4370cfc8

@jovial creek ?

[untold relic]

that looks right

slap a cress > the farig and I'm home

[jovial creek]

Yeah that

[jovial creek]

Bc you cant use real mons

Mish

[untold relic]

shut.
cress is more real than farig

[dry granite]

What’s whims for? Tailwind?

[jovial creek]

Yeah with pagos

Also go hyper beam>protect on pagos

[dry granite]

Is that meta?

[jovial creek]

Protect on specs isn't

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/6c4f890b8ccd50a6

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[sleek laurel]

👍

Chef's kiss

[broken shuttle]

would consider sub or sd ursaluna since you don’t have wide guard or a lot of protects

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/d0bcae0be2686f84

what pokemon should I remove for anothe restricted

[ripe turret]

maybe just zama>farig and you’d have a pretty standard zama csr team

other than covert cloak csr ofc

maybe give it like lorb or sash and have urshifu hold like a mystic water or smth

I do think that psychic>psyshock is better this format, or you can opt to run a coverage move

and I think magnet bolt might be better although booster is also probably fine

or if you don’t want to replace farigiraf, at least change its set from an offensive one to a support set

[fading atlas]

you can remove farigiraf and raging bolt and put zamazenta-c + ogerpon-h

[reef bough]

Can I ask why Hearthflame and not Wellspring, Teal, or Cornerstone?

[jovial creek]

Id recommend against building a team like that

Its generally better to start with a restricted duo in mind

Or with a restricted+ a few other mons

Trying to adapt a team can be inconsistent

https://pokepast.es/f8a001561db50bfb

Maybe something like this

[fading atlas]

you can redirect will-o-wisps that go to zamazenta

[sleek laurel]

I agree with all of this, but in general what ipet said applies

Even if you want to somewhat adapt a Reg G team into Reg I, the best way to do so is choose which second restricted mon you want to add to your former team and then rebuild from there

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/1f0f270175fee3f0
Miraidon + kyogre core with a bit of thundurs seasoning and some interesting offensive options 🧂

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[fathom token]

did a little draft aswell about the team and all

[jovial creek]

How do you beat rilla

[fathom token]

basically with chip and using iron hands as a wall

I have a lot of pivoting so it should be possible if I do it well enough

[jovial creek]

Could you make thundy a torn

[fathom token]

I rely a lot on eerie impulse

tailwind is good here but its too much to drop

[tiny cairn]

https://pokepast.es/841bd70fc64384ad this is my first team and i just really need help with opinions and advice xD

zamazenta csr and smeargle are core i just love being a weenie with smeargle

[ripe turret]

I really hate to say it but smeargle doesn’t really fit here tbh

I would run hearthflame over smeargle here

and also don’t run tera fairy dkiss csr, it deals zero damage unless you have a setup move (which you don’t)

I would just suggest like psychic or something and tera water/dark

[tiny cairn]

alr. i assume like a cudgel horn leech follow me spikey shield on ogerpon?

tysm for the reccomandation

[sleek laurel]

Most likely Wood Hammer

For the hearthflame

[tiny cairn]

okok yeah that makes sense

are the spreads okay?

[sleek laurel]

Also, you should get the smogdex EV spreads for Zama and Whimsi

Zama wants some speed and Whimsi wants some bulk if its not Sash

The others are fine

[tiny cairn]

okay yeah cool that makes sense

[sleek laurel]

Gl

[tiny cairn]

thank you so much <33

[ripe turret]

yup what they said lol

[tiny cairn]

should i just do max speed max attack with 4hp

[sleek laurel]

Zama? No

Unless you mean Max def

Max speed Max Def Impish 4 HP is a popular spread

[tiny cairn]

oh i meant on ogerpon

[sleek laurel]

Some run more spread out bulk too

Oh

LOL

No not either

[tiny cairn]

oh okay

[sleek laurel]

It wants some bulk to get better use of Follow Me

Just run the spread from Reg G

[tiny cairn]

88 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe

[sleek laurel]

The one with

Yes

[tiny cairn]

is that good

[sleek laurel]

188 HP* but yes

[tiny cairn]

okok

[sleek laurel]

Caps

[tiny cairn]

yeah

miscopied

[sleek laurel]

Lol

This is good yes

[tiny cairn]

okay bet

[tiny cairn]

sorry to bug you again but is the encore good on csr for like locking in incine to a knockoff and stuff

[sleek laurel]

Encore is fine yes

But not to lock incin into knock

You lock it into fake out instead kek

[tiny cairn]

oh yeah true

[sleek laurel]

But yes, encore is fine

[tiny cairn]

sorry im very new

[sleek laurel]

Nah dw

[tiny cairn]

i hit masterball for the first time like 5 days ago LOL

like im NEW

[sleek laurel]

My first ever VGC appearence was a Regional Championship

I actually placed decently well for a first timer

[tiny cairn]

oh hell yeah

[sleek laurel]

People be starting really high up nowadays lol

[tiny cairn]

im planning on going to a local in the next few weeks once i get some ladder practice with this team

[sleek laurel]

Glgl

[tiny cairn]

thx yo

ur the best

[sleek laurel]

I would recommend practicing on the bo3 ladder

Bo1 ladder has

[tiny cairn]

fraks

freaks

[sleek laurel]

Both closed team sheets and a lot of freaky stuff LOL

[tiny cairn]

i insta close tab if i see a muk

but yeah tysm

changing all my stuff in showdown rn

[sleek laurel]

Nw man gl

[light nebula]

It'll be a sec before I can actually get the team but is this channel only for like the current format or can I ask about an older format team here?

Another server I'm in is running a VGC13 tournament

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/77b9f1a751d8289e trying to find a good 6th, tried amoongus, didnt feel great with the lack of offense, and urshifu didnt feel great either

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[potent lion]

was wondering if flutter might work

[jovial creek]

flutter pagos mentioned

my time has come

go wisp>psychic on csr

drop grim

[broken shuttle]

balls

[jovial creek]

add amoonguss

[broken shuttle]

i was gonna snag this one

[jovial creek]

go lefties pagos

[potent lion]

ok nah

[jovial creek]

last slot can be

flutter

urshifu

cornerstone

[potent lion]

💀

i asked what a good 6th could be, not an entire team rework lol

[jovial creek]

I play a little bit of pagos

[potent lion]

ok

[jovial creek]

you sent it in the vgc rates channel

thats kinda the point

[potent lion]

yea u didnt answer my question

[jovial creek]

thats not a question for this channel

but please change the pagos item

pleaseeee

grassy seed is not it

you don't want to force rilla every mu

[potent lion]

just cause its not the meta doesnt mean i cant use it

i just wanted to try it out

[jovial creek]

ah

[potent lion]

ive played pago before too lol, if done leftovers before

[jovial creek]

then I'd say

[potent lion]

i just wanted to try something different, im not a new player

[jovial creek]

amoonguss is probably best

you have a huge urshifu problem

[potent lion]

is there anyway to compensate for the lack of offense? once pago dies its pretty much just over cause csr on its own cant carry most battles

[jovial creek]

uh

don't let pagos die

smile

[ripe turret]

[jovial creek]

why the question marks

thats like

how pagos plays

[coarse hawk]

Have been trying to get back into VGC recently. This Neutralizing Gas team has been doing okay for me on the best-of-three ladder, which surprises me because I generally have a massive skill issue when playing, and I haven't played any doubles in months.

Some things I have noticed

• Struggles a lot vs. Zamazenta-Crowned. Right now I mainly try to Terastalize Ogerpon-Hearthflame and spam Ivy Cudgel versus it
• Struggles a bit against Terapagos, but that might have just been a skill issue on my part tbh
• Slaking is a monster. I've seen this thing do > 50% to an Ogerpon-Cornerstone with a resisted Double-Edge and nearly OHKO an Incineroar with a different Double-Edge. This team can really get a lot of use out of Slaking if it is used well.
• Weezing-Galar is really nice to have versus teams that use a Prankster mon to set Tailwind. I usually lead something like Incineroar + Miraidon into these teams, then either go hard into Weezing-Galar or click Fake Out with Incineroar (depending on the item / Tera type) and Volt Switch / Electro Drift the Tornadus
• Scarf on Miraidon is also really nice to have, especially when I don't have / have lost Slaking vs. Calyrex-Shadow teams
• Weezing-Galar is brought almost every single game, and it almost always does something

https://pokepast.es/deea84ad72f4ac89

also evs are temporary. i'll definitely spend a lot more time on them if i continue doing okay with this team

[jovial creek]

are you trying to use slaking

its fine if you are

weezing teams are a thing but they don't run slaking

[jovial creek]

I wouldn't run miraidon with weezing

weezing cancels out hadron engine and that isn't ideal

[coarse hawk]

i figured miraidon would be one of the better options, since yes you do lose hadron engine but you keep the terrain boost

[jovial creek]

you don't keep the terrain if you lead both

have you thought about koraidon with ability shield

[coarse hawk]

i haven't thought about it, no

also i would be fine with dropping slaking- i just figured it would work well with neutralizing gas, since weezing only needs to be in every so often to reset truant

the entire team was designed to allow me to pivot weezing in at the right times so i could keep slaking active while not needing to keep weezing on the field that much

[jovial creek]

if you want to use a team thats been proven or just want some inspiration, https://pokepast.es/267241f0b594940b this team has been doing really well

[coarse hawk]

i'll give this team a try while i relearn vgc

thank you!

[broken shuttle]

ftr, you do also get a pretty significant damage boost from hadron engine itself, so in addition to the 1.3x from electric terrain miraidon gets a 1.somethingx multiplier to its special attack

so you do miss out on a lot by not having hadron active

[humble lichen]

It's 1.33 i think

Yeah it's multiplied by 4/3

[dry granite]

What speed tier do yall think I should use for a tailroom calyrice

My terapagos is 112 speed for Caly-S in tailwind, but idk what I should make my caly

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/b6c0172055af6ec2

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[fathom token]

I've made some re-thinking

thund is very very good on pressure but he just doesn't make the cut

plus I'm kinda struggling against other miraidons

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/18e666b19d046270
made some edits to this

• replaced iron hands with farigiraf— your team is super weak to calyrex-s and especially double fake out, you need the priority block. electric seed is its best item w. miraidon & tera ground synergizes with discharge
• replaced dgleam for discharge on miraidon since you have landorus & are using tera electric
• replaced eseed for assault vest & tera ground for tera grass as it's more consistent into rillaboom and allows you to take on calyrex-shadow and miraidon post-tera
• you may want to consider rain dance>taunt/hurricane>bleakwind on torn but the set as is is totally fine
• earth power> psychic on landorus, you need the single target STAB from it & psychic doesn't even really hit all that much

[fathom token]

I feel a bit weak without my very own fake out pressure 😢

[lost phoenix]

This likely needs rain dance torn ya, i dont really see an out against koraidon

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[lost phoenix]

Usually fake out on kyogre teams goes to rillaboom but ur evidently running mirai so

[fathom token]

yeah with these modifications there should be rain dance, I don't have as much pivot as before now

[lost phoenix]

Bit hard to fit

[broken shuttle]

i don't think yo can really afford hands here is the issue

[fathom token]

what if I change fari with incin?

[broken shuttle]

nah

you need farig

you get dumpstered by double fake out

[lost phoenix]

Having both the fake out immune and the trick room option is really good for kyogre

[broken shuttle]

ye that asw

also helps the calyrexes

[fathom token]

oh horses

I thought mira kinda took care of them already

[tiny cairn]

genuine curious question but doesn't weezing just screw up the whole anti fakeout

[broken shuttle]

sure, but you don't run weezing with fake out mons generally

[fathom token]

weezing isn't vvery popular in this meta

[lost phoenix]

Id also maybe think about sub + tera steel on lando i, amoong + nmi calyi looks incredibly hard to maneuver against with this team

[tiny cairn]

yeah that's true i'm quite new genuine question haha

[broken shuttle]

common weezing structures are run with dozogiri & koraidon

[broken shuttle]

ya this could work well

i think nmi glacial still breaks sub tho

[fathom token]

I really need to see some matches against caly-I

[sleek laurel]

Nmi glacial definitely breaks sub

[broken shuttle]

even w. steel tera

[sleek laurel]

The calc is just if it ohkos a x2 weak, it breaks sub on a resist

[broken shuttle]

maybe it's calcable to get it tho

[lost phoenix]

I think bulky should live but the more important thing is getting the sub up

Usually in this matchup they will need to get in rilla while getting up tr due to your miraidon so you will have another turn amoongless to set up sub on

Better to have an out than have no outs

[broken shuttle]

116+ Atk Never-Melt Ice Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera Steel Landorus: 47-56 (23.9 - 28.5%) -- 97.1% chance to 4HKO

rip

[lost phoenix]

Gg

[tiny cairn]

would kyoger not be a decent cir counter if its not tera grassed

[lost phoenix]

Theres an amoonguss

[tiny cairn]

oh shit yeah

[broken shuttle]

i mean realistically into that you'd just lead miraidon + kyogre

[tiny cairn]

i'm asking genuine question i can totally butt out 😭

[broken shuttle]

and spam spout

[lost phoenix]

And they lead rilla calyi and suddenly its gone

[fathom token]

I just feel that cir isn't even that much of a deal 🥺

[lost phoenix]

Anyways yeah

[fathom token]

I mean against miraidon yeah

[lost phoenix]

Just make torn rain dance

[fathom token]

but I have two water types

yes

[lost phoenix]

Thats defo needed

[fathom token]

exactly

[broken shuttle]

ya agree

[fathom token]

that's why I wanted to have a team reserved to defend against other miraidons

[tiny cairn]

untera lando and untera miraidon and tera kyogre right

[fathom token]

and fari feels... strange

[lost phoenix]

U have lando and tera grass av ogre

[fathom token]

yeah

tbh I think I've been using kyo in a different way nevertheless

I used em as a late game sweeper

and amoonguss is usually important in early game where it makes more pressure

well... yeah that kinda gives value to fari

ok I'm buying it

I'll give it a try

[tiny cairn]

LOL

[fathom token]

🥹

[tiny cairn]

i love watching ppl think about this stuff

it's so interesting

[fathom token]

I like talking in chat as if I'm talking to myself

I always end up changing my mind

I'm a very weird dumbass

[tiny cairn]

u do struggle with an indeedee cir lead however

esp tera grass indeedee

COULD BE VERY WRONG I AM STUPID

[fathom token]

the simplest solution is to give imprision to fari

[tiny cairn]

yeah that's true

[fathom token]

that sounds right

[tiny cairn]

yeah i love that

[fathom token]

you know, when making this team I thought it was a piece of art

and then I changed some stuff

and then thund fell and I lost a couple of games

and I got depressed

[tiny cairn]

yeah same, i got some help with my team yesterday and it was so bad

but i got help and now it's cool

[fathom token]

the thing is that I sometimes just want to paste the team, and hear the rest saying "oh yes that's a good team"

but I have never been able to make this happen

and I like getting recommendations

and I like improving

but it feels bad

[tiny cairn]

fixed it https://pokepast.es/27e5ba22ea7da593 i changed it to a tera water whim

[sleek laurel]

Glad to hear that 🔥

[tiny cairn]

i went on a crazy win streak gogo gadget double encore

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

What rating did you hit?

[tiny cairn]

oh no i'm game ladder

[sleek laurel]

Oh yea

Forgot

[tiny cairn]

i need to play more bo3

but my laptop is usually super dead from school

[sleek laurel]

Been there

Cellphone arrives back home with me at 20% every time

[tiny cairn]

it's only 9:37 and i'm already at 52 because i forgot to charge it last night but luckily there's a plug in my spanish class 🥺

[fathom token]

me who hasn't got a cellphone: 😂

[tiny cairn]

but i went on like a 6 game winsteak and im like one off masterball rn

my online rating is poop i'm around like 1200

i have like a 40% win rate cuz i usually just play bo1 and everyone denies open team sheets because they're using covert cloak incin with helping hand

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[fathom token]

JAJA

[tiny cairn]

i deadass got hit with a knock off lariat combo like 3 days ago

[sleek laurel]

I usually hover around high 1300s to low 1400s in the ladder

[fathom token]

tough

[sleek laurel]

One time at like a 1450 hit of mine I got paired up up with my friend who pseudo-coaches me and got bodied

👍

[tiny cairn]

LOL

[fathom token]

what are the odds damn

[tiny cairn]

my incompetent wolfey watching ass is the one that teaches people unfortunately 💔

one of my irls liked incin and i had to change their opinion

[sleek laurel]

LMAO

I teach a few people around oftentimes too

Bunch of friends

[sleek laurel]

But she's on another level

[tiny cairn]

i'm trying to get my gf into the game with hard tr

[sleek laurel]

Day 2ing regionals here and there

[tiny cairn]

oh heck yeah

[sleek laurel]

Almost day 2ing EUIC 2025 😭

Fr

[tiny cairn]

WOW

[sleek laurel]

Anyway

We going off topic fr

[tiny cairn]

yeah fr

i'm a yapper

[sleek laurel]

Same lol

[tiny cairn]

if you wanna keep talking we can go to off topic but totally get it if you're done

[sleek laurel]

Ima lucnh

[tiny cairn]

alr

[sleek laurel]

Arrived from cram school and havent had a bite

[tiny cairn]

eat well 😆

[tiny cairn]

ouchie

[bleak grove]

Why am I having such a hard time with this team that should be perfect???
https://pokepast.es/9179e82f76d7ea3a

[humble lichen]

What are you having problems with
Amoonguss?

[rare slate]

not sure what makes this "perfect"

[random wagon]

no team is objectively perfect

you’re always going to have flaws in any team because it just isn’t going to be perfect

[tiny cairn]

no team is perfect

oh wait people alr said that

[bleak grove]

Not at all actually, I’m having trouble with basically everything else

Amoongus isn’t hard to shut down with taunt from incin or whim

But I don’t think my team has enough power to really do anything

Outside of miraidon and kyogre nothing does a whole lot a damage

But I’m not sure how to increase my power without losing the utility

[ripe turret]

well first things first I would switch kyogre to a mystic water set, that way it can threaten instant damage with water spout without needing to set up, and I would consider replacing taunt on incin/whims with wisp/light screen respectively

because you don’t need two different taunts, one is enough imo

[ripe turret]

you have band urshifu and max flutter mane, those are two VERY offensive mons so I don’t see how you can be struggling there

like band urshifu in rain hits like an absolute semitruck

[bleak grove]

I never really get chances to use them before they’re down

They’re both frail

[tiny cairn]

sash could be more beneficial on flutter because it gives you more room to do stupid shit and it gives you another way to de crazy damage in the sun if you get into a poorly positioned weather war

[bleak grove]

True but than outside of sun I’m losing out on power

[tiny cairn]

u already have ursh, kyogre for the rain, miraidon already smacks everything around no matter the weather, and flutter mane already has kickass stats that with the support of your rain moms can still put out stupid damage

[ripe turret]

you have tailwind…and booster flutter is the fastest mon there is outside of bundle…

maybe adding a trick room mode would be beneficial

oh and give your whims more bulk

and…thunder flutter mane? replace that with shadow ball

go tera dark whims and change flutter’s tera to something else too

maybe like normal

[tiny cairn]

92hp / 20def / 92spa / 52spd / 252sp timid whim has been working well for me these past few days

also cloak

[ripe turret]

cloak whims needs the bulk imo, and even if you want to invest in speed you don’t need max

[tiny cairn]

it can live quite a lot esp with tera water

and having faster encore can be helpful

and i have a really bulky oger fire to follow me the poison moves cuz it can eat a sludge bomb like nobodies business

i did get help in this chat with my team so i don't claim to be an expert and im happy to listen if you have other stuff

https://pokepast.es/946121f396ef0341

[ripe turret]

I mean tbh I don’t know that much about whims either, this is just kind of the conventional spread but if it works it works

it’s kinda just a personal thing for me to run more bulk

ok I just looked on smogon and apparently I’ve been living a lie for my entire life lmao

my bad

I thought max bulk whims was standard lmao

ok but still the spread should be changed for that previous team so I’m not completely wrong lol

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna say

Luca Ceribelli ran extra bulk, but Max Speed is still kinda standard

But even if you do use Luca's spread

You want some speed

[ripe turret]

ye mb

I have been enlightened now

[shadow coral]

Would a Baxcalibur be worth considering on a Kyogre rain team?

[ripe turret]

nah, it’s just not good right now

only really a thing in non-restricted formats I think

[random wagon]

^ this pretty much

it faces a lot of competition with the many dragons in this format and really doesnt have good matchups into anything aside from niche restricted pokemon that dont good used themselves like rayquaza or smth

[light nebula]

I asked the other day but i never really got an answer is this channel for all VGC formats or just the newer ones

Im tryna get some opinions for a 2013 team since another server I'm in is doing a tournament

Or would that go in like other or somewhere else entirely

[broken shuttle]

you could send a 2013 or past format team here, not everyone has played enough to rate it but i know at least @random wagon has some experience w. it

most of us have not played a lot of the older formats especially more specialized ones

[light nebula]

That was the other main thing I was kinda worried about all I really need is a kind of opinion

[broken shuttle]

yeah that's fine feel free to send

[light nebula]

I've got a team idea but I need a 6th mon

Im getting a paste now but its supposed to be a sandstorm team within tailwind or trick room

Gliscor has tailwind and either reun or the last slot is gonna have tr

I was thinking amoonguss leftovers for the last one but I'm not entirely sure

[broken shuttle]

i would use thundurus or tornadus over gliscor and cresselia over reuniclus

thundurus gives you additional speed control through thunder wave and taunt, while tornadus gives you defiant and a strong gem user

cresselia is much bulkier than reun & is much more suited to getting up trick room

• the two flying type immunities actually allow excadrill to click earthquake

[light nebula]

Both thun and torn have defiant so that could work

[broken shuttle]

gliscor is not a very good mon, it gets countered by all of the anti-landorus tech and does not offer the same offensive or defensive utility as landorus

[broken shuttle]

don't use defiant thundy

prankster is always the way to go on that

but defiant torn is good

pengu i'll let u take over lol u know more

[random wagon]

dawg i have like no knowledge of 2013 😭

[broken shuttle]

RIP

it's cool i know enough

[random wagon]

i mean i know like whats good and whats not but not certified to rate tbh

[light nebula]

Yeah prankster is just way too good for thudy to not have

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/483c59c7d635a59d

[light nebula]

I really wish I had the therians though

[broken shuttle]

from here i would go conkeldurr

it's a good trick room abuser that can handle amoonguss

[light nebula]

Guts facade my goat

I guess my main concern then is that a bunch of my team doesn't really have sand immunity

But at the same time this has me wondering just how important that actually is

[broken shuttle]

it's not particularly important

[light nebula]

ok that actually opens up a lot

actually i dont think i can get a conkeldurr right now the trade servers are down

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/51102ac64fee74b4

is there anything i should change

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[broken shuttle]

how much have you used u-turn on korai?

[steep mesa]

id say a decent amount, ive found success leading lunala korai then setting up tr and using uturn to get into ursaluna

idk if i was js using korai wrong before when i had flame charge, im not very good at this game lol

[broken shuttle]

cool, if you get a lot of value out of it it's probably good then

i would keep flame charge in the back of your mind

otherwise looks good

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/cc20daade65c38e5

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[hearty tide]

how do i fix my matchup into weezing korai

[jovial creek]

The mu looks playable

If you get the lead right

[sleek laurel]

Playable if you get the lead right is not particularly appealing, but yes the mu doesnt look too bad

Mostly a matter of pressuring the Koraidon, Zac forces it to Tera too

[ripe turret]

imma ask what the correct lead against koraidon weezing/csr weezing would be, since I have like a very similar team

[hearty tide]

hmm i think i figured it out

js lead zacian and amoongus and ko weezing

[jovial creek]

Roaring moon into chi yu csr, zacian amoon into korai

Can lead zacian moon but you will have to make calls

[ripe turret]

kk

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/7147f9aec9f97d6d

[jovial creek]

Looks standard but good

[granite plinth]

What do y'all think?
https://pokepast.es/0d4740105c6efbb5

[broken shuttle]

i think it works fine, it just seems pretty passive to me

i would suggest slotting in Raging Bolt over either Rillaboom or Amoonguss as it allows you to force damage more effectively without compromising your miraidon or calyrex shadow matchup

[granite plinth]

sounds good

[steep mesa]

i eventually changed it back to flame charge, instead of using koraidon as a pivot i used incin to help setup tr and i parting shot out to get ursaluna in. ik this might not be a question for this channel but is there like leads i should be looking to use w/ my team?

[cursive sierra]

https://pokepast.es/572941ec95c421b1
it's my first time building so its not the best but its meant to be a stall though it only works half the time

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[ripe turret]

this team isn't very good, I would just suggest using a tried-and-true sample team if you're new to this format until you kind of "learn the meta" a little bit more

smogon and victory road should have some good teams, and also you can look at the top cut explorer because that should have all the teams that placed well at regional events

[cursive sierra]

i've been playing a calyrex ice rider and necrozma dawn wings team that is basically alec terrazas regionals team but having necrozma instead of hatterene

kinda wanted to make my own tho

[tiny cairn]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?usp=drivesdk hella teams here too

[ripe turret]

oh yeah that's a good one too

[cursive sierra]

thanks

[broken shuttle]

ya, koraidon + flutter mane, koraidon + incineroar, lunala + incineroar, nala + bonnet

[steep mesa]

ty!

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/61eff47ffa349bf4

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[light nebula]

im just not bringing whimsicott at all what kind of options can i swap it out for?

[broken shuttle]

i would test AV raging bolt there and then change up a few sets

[sonic apex]

would definitely do tect > dragon claw on koraidon

[broken shuttle]

go covert cloak amoonguss with tera water so you can still dodge fake out while having a useful defensive tera
go jolly life orb koraidon and drop dragon claw for protect & collision corse for cc so that you increase your damage output
go clear amulet> helmet on ho oh so you can avoid intimidate on it— it's not as useful for koraidon since it's able to OHKO incineroar regardless & does a shitload of damage even at -1

i would also maybe reconsider helping hand on incineroar for smth like flare blitz or taunt

but realistically it's fine here

[sonic apex]

i think you also need something to deal with lunala cuz as it stands right now lunala or even calyshadow can be v threatening

i don't think incin alone cuts it

[broken shuttle]

i think AV bolt does help that a bit

although i think you would want electroweb

so snarl is a touch harder to fit

[sonic apex]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

i mean i guess you could go like
draco
tclap
webs
snarl

feels a little gimmicky

maybe you don't necessarily need webs here

[sonic apex]

i think

doing bonnet > amoong can work in this specific scenario

[broken shuttle]

oh that's a good shout

i agree a lot actually

[light nebula]

i actually have been having issue with lunala and csr

also what does AV mean?

[sonic apex]

assault vest

[light nebula]

oh ok bet

ill also say that dragon claw on koraidon has been really really helpful dealing with miraidon

[jovial creek]

Bro i sent a whole paragraph and it got snapped away by my internet

Very good

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/83ede4dee3391f0c

[jovial creek]

Life orb cc ohkos

[broken shuttle]

something like this

[broken shuttle]

this is the paste with all changes implimented

[light nebula]

i lowkey dont really like bb

[broken shuttle]

bb?

[jovial creek]

Brave bird

[broken shuttle]

oh bonnet

[light nebula]

i had it on a similar team and it never cooked at all

[jovial creek]

You need it for shifu

[light nebula]

brute bonnet

[sonic apex]

part of me thinks flutter > wake personally but i guess wake isn't the end of all things

[jovial creek]

Oh bonnet

What the abbreviation

[broken shuttle]

i think this is also smth to consider

definitely

[sonic apex]

flutter offer speed control and you're not exactly lacking in power

[light nebula]

i really like wake bc it just nukes so much

its a lot of my damage from my experience

[broken shuttle]

i think it fills the same role as amoonguss but fixes the calyrex and lunala mus

which you noted you were having trouble with

[sonic apex]

i dont really like bonnet either but it perfectly fits ur paste

[light nebula]

ill give it another shot

[sonic apex]

i just think w/ wake ur team is super slow since u dont have any priority tailwind or speed control

so faster team can out momentum you easily

[light nebula]

i was also gonna ask the other day if whimsicott could work with tailwind instead of hooh

[sonic apex]

it's just something to consider, you don't rly have to change it

[jovial creek]

Whims should always have tailwind

[sonic apex]

i don't think wake is a bad fit i just think flutter fits better

[light nebula]

like i know thats good but i thought it was a little redundant since hooh already had tw

[sonic apex]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

agree

[sonic apex]

also i have no idea how i ended up also rating lool

[broken shuttle]

i was gonna say this is the first time i've ever seen you rate since i became one

skull

[sonic apex]

it just happened

[broken shuttle]

did it?

gz

[sonic apex]

no

[broken shuttle]

😭

oh ic

[sonic apex]

lmao

i just come in every once in a while

so depends on how u see it

[jovial creek]

You asked to be added as a vgc rater

[sonic apex]

u r either lucky or unlucky to be rated by me

[sonic apex]

i know

i am just saying i have no idea how i ended up rating just now

[jovial creek]

Nuh uh

[jovial creek]

Ah

[feral crown]

https://pokepast.es/794e1efdf64f58fe i'm just starting out so any advice is much appreciated!

[jovial creek]

If you are new then I'd recommend taking a team instead of trying to build one

It helps you focus on getting used to the meta and playing the game without worrying about your team

[ripe turret]

for your first time though this is not bad, but yeah just use a sample team

[ripe turret]

this is a good resource that has a lot of sample teams you can try out

[light nebula]

im playing that team i got from here earlier rn and i get why yall were saying bonnet over amoonguss now

thank yall sm

[broken shuttle]

yw !

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/28c25e767fad1cf6

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[fading atlas]

do i change something?

[broken shuttle]

nope, looks fine to me

is there anything in particular you're struggling with?

[fading atlas]

idk how to handle incineroar well

[ripe turret]

urshifu

[sleek laurel]

Urshifu does miracles

[brittle gate]

hi there! i've been looking into modifying or seeing what i can do with this team that was used at portland regionals this year. i've seen a few different pokemon be used other than csr, zama and chien-pao. i think i'm ok with amoongus and rbolt but i don't know about the sixth. i've seen rilla, oger-c and ting-lu being used and i'm assuming each one fits a different role. any help on potentially choosing?

https://pokepast.es/04fab89849420cbb

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[snow star]

https://pokepast.es/cf2c46f1a588a931 I think screens + csr + terapagos make a great team.

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/3cb5c3c0dfc4f3d7

Semi inspired by a Reg G team

[reef bough]

Thanks now I need to counter screens

[spiral gale]

anyone else have not seen shadow calyrex recently

I thought he was op what happened?

[jovial creek]

are you trying to use dialga

[reef bough]

Telepathy discharge

[drifting onyx]

Dragon Breath (Gen 9)

Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP

20 (32)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags

• Blocked by protection moves.
• Can be copied by Mirror Move.
• Can be selected by Metronome.

[jovial creek]

surely you just go dragon pulse in that slot?

or trick room

[reef bough]

I have it

[jovial creek]

or a coverage move

[reef bough]

Trick room Farigiraf

coverage on mirai

[jovial creek]

you can run 2

go

psychic noise>protect

[reef bough]

psychic noise and?

[jovial creek]

I meant on farig

[reef bough]

Oh

[jovial creek]

whims go moonblast>taunt

incin can be AV here I think

[reef bough]

Okk

Av?

[rare hill]

hi guys

[jovial creek]

Assault vest

[hazy hamlet]

nobody talk about how much this vivilon skin looks like ting lu

[spiral gale]

Foreshadow

[austere stirrup]

5th treasure of ruin

[wintry oak]

its the king himself

[signal drift]

psyduck is only thing that i dont want to change

because migreinpokemon and i have chronic migrein

i know golduck would be the right choice but still

https://pokepast.es/abfeca73721d23d8

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[sleek laurel]

None of the Pokémon here are viable, unfortunately, with the exception of Urshifu who doesn't run a set like this

I understand your Psyduck request but unfortunately this server is entirely focused on competitive settings and we don't usually adapt to include unviable NFEs in teams

If you want to play a competitive team, I would recommend checking out VGC resources

[drifting onyx]

VGC (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Role Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Tera Type Index
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• C&C Reservation Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[signal drift]

fuck i cant have my migrein team

sad

may i ask help making viable team then you guys are smart

and im bit needy i know

took me 2 hours to make that team

golduck still viable tho right ?

[sonic wind]

Unfortunately not

It just lacks the stats and tools to compete

[signal drift]

it was when i competed

man times change

[drifting onyx]

Miraidon (Gen 9)

Typing

Electric / Dragon

Abilities

0: Hadron Engine

Base Stats (BST: 670)

100 / 85 / 100 / 135 / 115 / 135

Weight

240 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[signal drift]

tho there are fine mons on the sample tea,s

i have ghodengho fullart as card

stall builds still viable or outright banned ?

man this is lot of reading thanks guys ill have team to show in about 2 years

[fathom token]

I'm not a comp helper but I would recommend you (as I got recommended in the past) to try using easy meta teams at first then trying to adapt them a bit more to your playing style and shit

its beginner's guide

[wintry oak]

in VGC?

no way

[fathom token]

(plus the closest thing to stall in vgc is perish trap which is just too hard to play)

[wintry oak]

the two calyrex formes ramp up way too quickly to stall

and then kyogre and zama who don't care abt burn, zama is immune to poison

[signal drift]

sounds familiar

its been like 10 years

[wintry oak]

ya stall wont get anyone far nowadays

esp since some of the weaker restricteds have a way to kill stall

maybe if pecharunt was legal?? nobody will know tho

[signal drift]

the thing about taking sample builds is i cant understande them

i just play

[brittle gate]

oh yeah, hi mitoma. quick question while you're here, i'm also looking for an ev spread for my ting-lu on the team

i can try and find the pokepaste for context in comp gen 2

[brittle gate]

aha

[wintry oak]

ahh I dont play ting lu but I could try and make/find one

[fathom token]

I remember that wo chien (which is relatively "good" at stall) was just a niche pick during reg G, so imagine how impossible it is now with two restricteds

[fathom token]

you should watch wolfe glick

[wintry oak]

ting lu bulky support correct?

[wintry oak]

terapagos murders wo chien

[brittle gate]

i think it is

[wintry oak]

theres no way to play stall without dying anymore

[fathom token]

straight and plain murder

[signal drift]

finnish vgc discord is just talking about sauna youare nice dudes

[brittle gate]

what 😭

[fathom token]

yeah its a matter of either being defensive and useful (like zama) or being a complete wallbreaker menace like csr

[wintry oak]

I have a sample one that one could easily link with ur ting lu

[brittle gate]

oh?

that'd be helpful

[wintry oak]

84 HP /132 ATK / 60 DEF / 226 SPD / 4 SPE

[signal drift]

does suicide strats work still i dont think anyone uses damp anymore

[brittle gate]

sounds good

[wintry oak]

slows down terapagos with snarl

[fathom token]

nope

[wintry oak]

and can pocket csr

[wintry oak]

csr and lunala are too relevant

[signal drift]

aight

[fathom token]

gimmicks are gimmicks after all

they almost never work

[wintry oak]

MAYBE alolan golem with galvanize could work

[signal drift]

well i only ever played gimic builds

[wintry oak]

just to take out kyogre

[signal drift]

migrein build was fav

[wintry oak]

but mirai exists so theres no reason to run it

[signal drift]

aa right thats the new legendary

i forgor

[brittle gate]

oh shooot also what nature for tinglu

[wintry oak]

adamant

[brittle gate]

k thanks

[wintry oak]

good way to deal with incin if stone edge connects

[fathom token]

yeah and its pretty much a tr mon so you'd be goin with cir and it wouldn't even make sense, as the big majority of cir teams go with mira in the first place I think

[wintry oak]

worst part is that the ones that dont run mirai run rbolt

[fathom token]

yeah true

they kinda need a counter for kyogre as it tanks through g-lance, and there's always better options than alolan golem in general for that spot

[wintry oak]

the kyo counter should be lunala with wideguard

[signal drift]

sneasler amoonguss pelipper arcaludo and then some fast heavyhitter

wouldnt that be bad

[wintry oak]

for reg I?

[fathom token]

that's the perfect description of a reg h meta team

[wintry oak]

ya but I never rlly played reg h

[signal drift]

i mean i just used brain and it made sense

[wintry oak]

played one game, said screw it and started building a reg I team

[signal drift]

i dont know brackets anymore

[fathom token]

oh reg h was my peak season

I played all through it

got to 1500 on showdown ladder with a tr sun team

good memories

[wintry oak]

I think i've found a way to make bronzong usable

[signal drift]

gengar with his icepunch and shit would also work wit hthose

there are just better ghost types

[fathom token]

mmm the return of 2016

[wintry oak]

if you want a reg I team tho you will need 2 restricteds, some teams could run on one but theres no way

[wintry oak]

funny thing is, its very reminiscent of that 2016 build

[fathom token]

absolutely not, gengar is a sp. atk mon

and isn't viable

[wintry oak]

exact same EVs and IVs, but with mental herb and tera normal

[fathom token]

use flutter mane instead

[signal drift]

n gngnar

[brittle gate]

does ting-lu wanna be max ivs

[wintry oak]

safeguard and helping hand

[fathom token]

ooo

[wintry oak]

yea

[brittle gate]

idk why but showdown instantly puts it as 0atk iv

[fathom token]

same EVs?? but is it a double 252 spread?

[brittle gate]

ok good

[wintry oak]

no, 252 hp 60 def 196 spdef

[signal drift]

wdym wiht restrictions tho

[fathom token]

that seems specific

[wintry oak]

restricted legendaries

[signal drift]

never did real competitions

aaaa

[brittle gate]

and with that, my team is complete! yay!!!

[wintry oak]

it gives it just enough atk for gyro ball + lance to kill csr

[signal drift]

dont even know legendaries now days

[fathom token]

restricted pokemons are legendary pokemons that can only be used on certain vgc regulations, usually at late season of a pokemon game

[wintry oak]

not atk, speed

[fathom token]

basically the box legendaries, for example zekrom and reshiram for black and white

[fathom token]

oh damn

that's kinda crazy

wolfe's prediction

[wintry oak]

my usual hand against csr teams is cir bronzong, protect cir tera normal bronzong trick room

[fathom token]

but isn't it too much of an all in move to have to tera when matched against csr?

[wintry oak]

also functions against groudon and lunala

[fathom token]

you have ind-f if you want a normal type

[wintry oak]

yes but I just really dont like indeedee

[signal drift]

i need smoke my brain is braking

[wintry oak]

• safeguard if they run incin will o wisp

[signal drift]

keep going ill read

[fathom token]

does it avoid the moongeist beam OHKO?

[wintry oak]

tera normal

[fathom token]

damn

[fathom token]

trrruee..

idk seems too tera dependant

cir likes having tera as a constant choice

lots of fire types

[wintry oak]

without tera it tanks chi yu dark pulse and heatwave

[signal drift]

i need to hire coach to start this shit

mordhau is so muc easier

[fathom token]

oh I didn't see this yeah

[fathom token]

wait but are you talking about levitate or heatproof bronz?

[wintry oak]

levitate

[fathom token]

damn

[wintry oak]

thats why i have sassy 196 spdef

[fathom token]

that shit tough

seems abt right

[wintry oak]

and the occasional gastrodon yawn comps everyone hates, counters that too

[brittle gate]

now i guess i gotta learn the format 😭

[fathom token]

gastrodon yawn 🥺

haven't seen that since swsh

[signal drift]

i might jsut go back braindead 1v1

[wintry oak]

i just faced one yesterday lol

first turn yawn is crazy

[fathom token]

on showdown or in-game ladder?

[wintry oak]

showdown

[fathom token]

🩸 let the blood run free

[fathom token]

ah well

[wintry oak]

every time I try to build a team ingame I stress too much about the evs and ivs.

[signal drift]

out of context do you guys wanna see my emotionalsupport gaming buddies

[wintry oak]

ok

[signal drift]

what channel i put them

[wintry oak]

#off-topic maybe

[signal drift]

they jus ttoys

[fathom token]

yeah it kinda happens the same to me but its just that it is a long time till I finish a team

plus I'm a procrastinator3000

[wintry oak]

oh yea me too I was supposed to do my laundry an hour ago

oh wait my laundry

[fathom token]

LMAO

wait you're good, after you do your laundry you have to help me with what I put on comp 2

I'm in trouble with my current team

[wintry oak]

alr

i took the last drumstick from my brother

[fathom token]

🐣

[wintry oak]

i would do it again

[fathom token]

you silly little zigzagoon

[wintry oak]

id say i'm more of a poochyena

[fathom token]

team lava then?

crazy

I'd say I'm a patrat then

[wintry oak]

hell yea im sick of facing kyogre

[fathom token]

I love team plasma

[fathom token]

now you have to make a kyo mira team

[wintry oak]

NOOO i hate playing kyo

just a big sea torkoal

[fathom token]

JAJA

that's a weird looking turtle

[wintry oak]

ya it has an ugly face

[fathom token]

awe

[signal drift]

if i make sample team would someone be willing to just chill till i understand whatsh appening

[wintry oak]

ok

[signal drift]

sure gimme few mins

or if someone can send me one

would be faster

[sonic apex]

what does "if i make sample team" means here

[wintry oak]

nah idk how u play

[wintry oak]

find

[sonic apex]

there's a lot of teams you can find in vgcpastes repository

[signal drift]

lot of taking dmg and protecting fast mons

[wintry oak]

mirai kyo maybe

[fathom token]

damn we were literally talking about that

[wintry oak]

i hear protecting fast mons and i think of mirai or csr

[sonic apex]

since when does Mirai use protect

given it almost always runs av/specs

[wintry oak]

i assume he meant keeping them safe

but protect protect i chill w csr

[signal drift]

used to troll people with ttangle

but never won with it just got laughsts

[fathom token]

true
the best archetype of that would be csr and zama

[signal drift]

bind

bind

[fathom token]

sadly tangle is not in this gen

[signal drift]

i cant find the sample team page

fuck me

[wintry oak]

ya he could work with csr zama

[signal drift]

oh right im chat banned in showdown so i cant invite

:D:D

[fathom token]

UM

[wintry oak]

errr,,

whatd you do

[signal drift]

was telling story to random in gen6 1v1 and alkgorytihhm didnt like words

nothing bad

[wintry oak]

was it the story abt how you fathered a child or?

[signal drift]

7 day chatban

[fathom token]

did you say a word similar to nile but with two gs?

[signal drift]

it had hard r but in context of the story so it was pretty unfair chat ban

i might have pictureo f the story

[wintry oak]

oh.

yea I think thats a reasonable chat ban

[signal drift]

no it was not because its about context and not the word

but whatevere

cna somenoe link the sample teams

[sonic apex]

don't evade the word filter ever

[wintry oak]

someone drop this man the sample teams

[sonic apex]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/htmlview#

[signal drift]

thats also bannable word

[sonic apex]

do not use that word dawg, you've been chat banned from showdown for using it

using it here is not the brightest idea

[signal drift]

let me find the picture of the story

[sonic apex]

no need

[signal drift]

well trust me it was not hard r like hat

that

so what team i was supposed to tru

[wintry oak]

heres a csr zama you might want

https://pokepast.es/ce08139b1f5e6a6e

[sonic apex]

just try whatever you're feeling

[signal drift]

ew rillaboom but ill try

[sonic apex]

also it might be a good idea to delete this message

just don't use any slurs

[signal drift]

true¨but im referring to myself

is this showdown regulated server

0

?

[sonic apex]

no, but Smogon and Showdown has basically the same rules anyway

don't use it even if it's to refer urself

don't demean urself like that

[signal drift]

i got it

levez is my showdwon

waiting for the invite and dont worry guys even tho i didnt give best first impression you will know all thoes things are just misunderstandings

[dry granite]

https://pokepast.es/d70b35b4a4c0f896
hi i got a team too

[fathom token]

hyper beam pagos

[dry granite]

Didn’t know what to run last slot on specs pagos

[signal drift]

switched serer name to my showdownname

[dry granite]

Someone told me to do that, it sounded strange but yeah

Idk if im ever clicking that besides nuking a random wide guard mon to hell or high water

[signal drift]

i cant add friends or challenge because chat ban

which is stupid system

chatban fine but cant challege

[wintry oak]

You'll almost always be using tera starstorm anyways so hyper beam is fair

[sonic apex]

Hyper beam is fine

[dry granite]

K

[signal drift]

https://pokepast.es/21d1f77d663d5b29

[sonic apex]

I think I know someone who ran tera starstorm hyper beam sleep talk pagos

only those 3 moves

[wintry oak]

Andrew zheng?

[dry granite]

Yeah I think I used dark pulse once into csr zama

So I like having that

[sonic apex]

fairly sure heah

[wintry oak]

he used it to ohko a cir

[dry granite]

cir?

[signal drift]

you guys wanna come vc t oshit talk me

im lonely :d

[fathom token]

calyrex ice rider

[dry granite]

ahh ok

[signal drift]

why did my stream plug get removed from offtopic

😄

[dry granite]

Any other feedback on the team?

[sonic apex]

because you're not supposed to plug your stream here

[signal drift]

well it was jsut about frinedly chat not about stream

you didnt read it didnt you

[dry granite]

A lil unsure on what to do for the Urshifu speed tier

[dry granite]

Didn’t you just say it was a stream plug

[signal drift]

well ill just press buttons till i knw what to do

well

[dry granite]

I think I want it to underspeed incin in tr after room service? Idk if that’s the benchmark I should shoot for then and what I miss out on for the high end

[signal drift]

i hope custom pokemon names are allowed

am i doing someting wrog

or am i mentally challlenged

i ahve 0 evs

wtf

im stupid

[fathom token]

maybe min speed lunala

[signal drift]

done

do i just search nwo

ye lost first

gg

[grizzled nacelle]

https://pokepast.es/5d4b72c76dafd3df

[ripe turret]

not bad, but it needs some changes
for groudon, go tera fire, change leftovers for either AV (requires changing your set) or lorb, and go either hhp or sd over hammer arm, hammer arm is interesting for a TR team but it doesn’t add any sort of new coverage so other than lowering your speed it doesn’t do anything special
psychic>dgleam on indeedee and tera fairy/grass
protect>zen headbutt on cir and tera fire/water
ceruledge is unviable this format and amoonguss doesn’t fit here if your goal is a hyper offense TR team, replace them with ursaluna-h and smeargle/urshifu-s
and other than amoonguss fix all of your minmaxed EV spreads and maybe consider going min speed on torkoal or smth

[upbeat geode]

SMOGON! Question, what are the VGC stocks for Rayquaza like these days? Cuz i wanted to build a team around one, and my Torrent Terra-Water Wide Lens Hydro Pump Greninja with Helping Hand for lulz carries harder.

[ripe turret]

Stockquaza has been very, very low for a long time now, would not recommend purchasing lol

[sleek laurel]

Admittedly Rayquaza is really bad if not outright unviable, and Greninja is both unviable + don't use Torrent in like any mon

[grizzled nacelle]

yh i fixed torkoals speed and protect on the caly just by testing it on showdown, thanks for all the tera suggestions cause i have no clue how most of these teras go, and i took out sd for hammer arm cause i thought it was cool with tr

i think ill try vest

and psychic

[sleek laurel]

Seconding everything

AV is preferred to LO

On Groudon

And then go with High Horsepower + either Thunder Punch or Rock Slide

[grizzled nacelle]

high horsepower over precipice or with it?

[sleek laurel]

With it

Precipice + Fire-type move + HHP + last one

HHP allows you to ignore Wide Guard and gives you more reliable accuracy

Ofc its not 100 but the 100% accurate option has a MASSIVE 75 power 😭

[grizzled nacelle]

why not earthquake btw

[sleek laurel]

You can also consider Alluring Voice on Indeedee btw

Both Fairy-type moves deal 0 damage but they allow you to break Focus Sash on Dark-type mons, while Psychic deals damage

[sleek laurel]

Because it hits your partner asw

It's a friendly fire-spread move

[grizzled nacelle]

oh shoot i forgot

[sleek laurel]

Lol happens