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steep mesa
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https://pokepast.es/98033222b65156c3 ive been using this team for a little bit and was wondering if i should edit anything.

im using leech seed cir because of a video by cybertron intrigued me, i paired him with gothitelle to stop pokemon from switching out of his leech seed. i also went flutter to have a perish song mode. i went av miraidon because he's bulky and i wanted high damage and i am able to outspeed out miraidons in tr. ursaluna is my favorite pokemon and i thought he slotted in nicely here. grimmsnarl is grimmsnarl, origanally had atales but it js didnt make sense.

drifting onyxBOT
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sleek laurel
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This could work in theory but I would advise against building Perish Song if you're not like a super giga mega blaster professional

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It's the single hardest viable archetype to pilot by a lot

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Leech Seed Caly + Miraidon is a common core, AV is a nice idea esp with Grimm

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Ursaluna in these cores is also common

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A friend of mine actually has a team with these four

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But the Perish Song and Shadow Tag concept makes this team infinitely harder to pilot for no real benefit

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And while Shadow Tag + Leech Seed makes sense in theory

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It's not needed, since with such an offensive core, you can instead capitalize on them having to switch, if they opt to switch away from Leech Seed

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I would just use Rocky Helmet Incineroar and Focus Sash Urshifu-R over Flutter Mane and Gothitelle

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Other four are fine

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Another thing to consider is Thunder Wave > Parting Shot on Grimmsnarl but that's optional, but its probably better as a secondary form of Speed control and more strongly preferred if you use Incineroar too

steep mesa
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mkay tysm for the detailed answer, ill keep your suggestions in mind and adjust my team accordingly

sleek laurel
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Np and gl!

lone inlet
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i kinda want something else that takes use of tailwind

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like urshifu maybe?

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or firepon

jovial creek
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Double terrain is awkward

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Ogerpon hearthflame is good for redirection

lone inlet
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ok but i cant have cir farigiraf and ogerpon on the field at the same time

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i can try that tho

lone inlet
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i like using indeedee cuz it can redirect and set trick room

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depending on the situation

jovial creek
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And in a double restricted format having anti synergy with one of your restricted Pokémon is kinda meh

lone inlet
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thats true

sullen river
lone inlet
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what do i do against fake out then

sleek laurel
inner basin
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https://pokepast.es/cced2f6be958fb7a

(reg I tailroom) so i made some changes. replaced tornadus with jugulis and ineedee for ogerpon. the tewam does struggle against terapogos and and opposing calyrex-i

dry granite
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https://pokepast.es/9b2a713c7e7517ab
can yall help with this team?
Im kinda struggling with direction on it, so far ive kinda been doing tailroom with a focus on sleep but idk what to do and i also feel like incineroar doesnt incline me to bring it much here

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Shifu, Terap, Caly, and Amoonguss all feel good and like they probably have some variation of the right set

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Smeargle also hasn’t felt bad but I feel like I need something faster for tailwind, probably tornadus or smth

jovial creek
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but I worry about opposing fake out

inner basin
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Anything I should change?

jovial creek
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nah its a really good team

inner basin
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Is CIR speed spec to outspeed soming under tailwind?

jovial creek
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probably

sleek laurel
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Outspeeds Landorus-I under Tailwind

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And outspeeds -1 mons at 112s

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I know 36 speed CIR

inner basin
jovial creek
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I found it

jovial creek
sleek laurel
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Wait

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Its

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Oh right 116 is the

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Landorus one

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Sorry there are so many Caly-I Speed spreads LMAO

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36 for Ursh, 68 for Kyogre, 116 for Lando, 140 was used in some Electroweb teams, some tried 100 and now 20 with Leech Seed

inner basin
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Ahh

untold relic
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untold relic
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ah, shit.

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welp

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ignore the suboptimal spreads but it's my attempt on Groudon rn
struggling a little bit into CIR and CSR but most other restricteds are fine

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CIR specifically the more offensive HHP ones Leech Seed is manageable with SD Tera Fire Groudon
CSR the sash / lo plot ones are annoying esp w/ tera dark to block thundy

jovial creek
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I think groudon is better with like

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Miraidon as a partner

untold relic
jovial creek
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I think

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That isn't the mon for the job

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Why not just like

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Groudon behind screens

untold relic
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that's what I was thinking of asw but then no speed control

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thoughts on like groudon p2 grimmsnarl miraidon

jovial creek
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Farig>p2

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One of my friends built a cool groudon team

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But i cannot find it

untold relic
jovial creek
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@broken shuttle do you have andre's groudon team

untold relic
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I don't think so

broken shuttle
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which one

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@jovial creek ?

untold relic
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that looks right

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slap a cress > the farig and I'm home

jovial creek
jovial creek
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Mish

untold relic
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shut.
cress is more real than farig

dry granite
jovial creek
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Also go hyper beam>protect on pagos

dry granite
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Is that meta?

jovial creek
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Protect on specs isn't

fading atlas
drifting onyxBOT
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sleek laurel
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Chef's kiss

broken shuttle
reef bough
ripe turret
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other than covert cloak csr ofc

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maybe give it like lorb or sash and have urshifu hold like a mystic water or smth

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I do think that psychic>psyshock is better this format, or you can opt to run a coverage move

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and I think magnet bolt might be better although booster is also probably fine

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or if you don’t want to replace farigiraf, at least change its set from an offensive one to a support set

fading atlas
reef bough
jovial creek
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Its generally better to start with a restricted duo in mind

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Or with a restricted+ a few other mons

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Trying to adapt a team can be inconsistent

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Maybe something like this

fading atlas
sleek laurel
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Even if you want to somewhat adapt a Reg G team into Reg I, the best way to do so is choose which second restricted mon you want to add to your former team and then rebuild from there

fathom token
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fathom token
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did a little draft aswell about the team and all

jovial creek
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How do you beat rilla

fathom token
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basically with chip and using iron hands as a wall

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I have a lot of pivoting so it should be possible if I do it well enough

jovial creek
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Could you make thundy a torn

fathom token
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I rely a lot on eerie impulse

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tailwind is good here but its too much to drop

tiny cairn
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zamazenta csr and smeargle are core i just love being a weenie with smeargle

ripe turret
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I would run hearthflame over smeargle here

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and also don’t run tera fairy dkiss csr, it deals zero damage unless you have a setup move (which you don’t)

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I would just suggest like psychic or something and tera water/dark

tiny cairn
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tysm for the reccomandation

sleek laurel
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Most likely Wood Hammer

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For the hearthflame

tiny cairn
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are the spreads okay?

sleek laurel
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Also, you should get the smogdex EV spreads for Zama and Whimsi

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Zama wants some speed and Whimsi wants some bulk if its not Sash

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The others are fine

tiny cairn
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okay yeah cool that makes sense

sleek laurel
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Gl

tiny cairn
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thank you so much <33

ripe turret
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yup what they said lol

tiny cairn
sleek laurel
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Unless you mean Max def

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Max speed Max Def Impish 4 HP is a popular spread

tiny cairn
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oh i meant on ogerpon

sleek laurel
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Some run more spread out bulk too

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Oh

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LOL

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No not either

tiny cairn
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oh okay

sleek laurel
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It wants some bulk to get better use of Follow Me

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Just run the spread from Reg G

tiny cairn
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88 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe

sleek laurel
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The one with

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Yes

tiny cairn
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is that good

sleek laurel
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188 HP* but yes

tiny cairn
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okok

sleek laurel
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Caps

tiny cairn
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yeah

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miscopied

sleek laurel
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Lol

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This is good yes

tiny cairn
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okay bet

tiny cairn
sleek laurel
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Encore is fine yes

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But not to lock incin into knock

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You lock it into fake out instead kek

tiny cairn
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oh yeah true

sleek laurel
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But yes, encore is fine

tiny cairn
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sorry im very new

sleek laurel
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Nah dw

tiny cairn
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i hit masterball for the first time like 5 days ago LOL

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like im NEW

sleek laurel
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My first ever VGC appearence was a Regional Championship

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I actually placed decently well for a first timer

tiny cairn
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oh hell yeah

sleek laurel
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People be starting really high up nowadays lol

tiny cairn
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im planning on going to a local in the next few weeks once i get some ladder practice with this team

sleek laurel
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Glgl

tiny cairn
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thx yo

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ur the best

sleek laurel
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I would recommend practicing on the bo3 ladder

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Bo1 ladder has

tiny cairn
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fraks

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freaks

sleek laurel
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Both closed team sheets and a lot of freaky stuff LOL

tiny cairn
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i insta close tab if i see a muk

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but yeah tysm

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changing all my stuff in showdown rn

sleek laurel
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Nw man gl

light nebula
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It'll be a sec before I can actually get the team but is this channel only for like the current format or can I ask about an older format team here?

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Another server I'm in is running a VGC13 tournament

potent lion
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potent lion
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was wondering if flutter might work

jovial creek
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flutter pagos mentioned

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my time has come

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go wisp>psychic on csr

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drop grim

broken shuttle
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balls

jovial creek
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add amoonguss

broken shuttle
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i was gonna snag this one

jovial creek
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go lefties pagos

potent lion
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ok nah

jovial creek
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last slot can be

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flutter

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urshifu

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cornerstone

potent lion
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💀

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i asked what a good 6th could be, not an entire team rework lol

jovial creek
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I play a little bit of pagos

potent lion
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ok

jovial creek
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thats kinda the point

potent lion
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yea u didnt answer my question

jovial creek
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thats not a question for this channel

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but please change the pagos item

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pleaseeee

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grassy seed is not it

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you don't want to force rilla every mu

potent lion
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just cause its not the meta doesnt mean i cant use it

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i just wanted to try it out

jovial creek
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ah

potent lion
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ive played pago before too lol, if done leftovers before

jovial creek
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then I'd say

potent lion
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i just wanted to try something different, im not a new player

jovial creek
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amoonguss is probably best

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you have a huge urshifu problem

potent lion
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is there anyway to compensate for the lack of offense? once pago dies its pretty much just over cause csr on its own cant carry most battles

jovial creek
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uh

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don't let pagos die

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smile

ripe turret
jovial creek
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why the question marks

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thats like

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how pagos plays

coarse hawk
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Have been trying to get back into VGC recently. This Neutralizing Gas team has been doing okay for me on the best-of-three ladder, which surprises me because I generally have a massive skill issue when playing, and I haven't played any doubles in months.

Some things I have noticed

  • Struggles a lot vs. Zamazenta-Crowned. Right now I mainly try to Terastalize Ogerpon-Hearthflame and spam Ivy Cudgel versus it
  • Struggles a bit against Terapagos, but that might have just been a skill issue on my part tbh
  • Slaking is a monster. I've seen this thing do > 50% to an Ogerpon-Cornerstone with a resisted Double-Edge and nearly OHKO an Incineroar with a different Double-Edge. This team can really get a lot of use out of Slaking if it is used well.
  • Weezing-Galar is really nice to have versus teams that use a Prankster mon to set Tailwind. I usually lead something like Incineroar + Miraidon into these teams, then either go hard into Weezing-Galar or click Fake Out with Incineroar (depending on the item / Tera type) and Volt Switch / Electro Drift the Tornadus
  • Scarf on Miraidon is also really nice to have, especially when I don't have / have lost Slaking vs. Calyrex-Shadow teams
  • Weezing-Galar is brought almost every single game, and it almost always does something
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also evs are temporary. i'll definitely spend a lot more time on them if i continue doing okay with this team

jovial creek
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are you trying to use slaking

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its fine if you are

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weezing teams are a thing but they don't run slaking

jovial creek
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weezing cancels out hadron engine and that isn't ideal

coarse hawk
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i figured miraidon would be one of the better options, since yes you do lose hadron engine but you keep the terrain boost

jovial creek
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you don't keep the terrain if you lead both

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have you thought about koraidon with ability shield

coarse hawk
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i haven't thought about it, no

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also i would be fine with dropping slaking- i just figured it would work well with neutralizing gas, since weezing only needs to be in every so often to reset truant

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the entire team was designed to allow me to pivot weezing in at the right times so i could keep slaking active while not needing to keep weezing on the field that much

jovial creek
coarse hawk
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i'll give this team a try while i relearn vgc

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thank you!

broken shuttle
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so you do miss out on a lot by not having hadron active

humble lichen
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Yeah it's multiplied by 4/3

dry granite
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What speed tier do yall think I should use for a tailroom calyrice

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My terapagos is 112 speed for Caly-S in tailwind, but idk what I should make my caly

fathom token
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fathom token
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I've made some re-thinking

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thund is very very good on pressure but he just doesn't make the cut

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plus I'm kinda struggling against other miraidons

broken shuttle
# fathom token https://pokepast.es/b6c0172055af6ec2

https://pokepast.es/18e666b19d046270
made some edits to this

  • replaced iron hands with farigiraf— your team is super weak to calyrex-s and especially double fake out, you need the priority block. electric seed is its best item w. miraidon & tera ground synergizes with discharge
  • replaced dgleam for discharge on miraidon since you have landorus & are using tera electric
  • replaced eseed for assault vest & tera ground for tera grass as it's more consistent into rillaboom and allows you to take on calyrex-shadow and miraidon post-tera
  • you may want to consider rain dance>taunt/hurricane>bleakwind on torn but the set as is is totally fine
  • earth power> psychic on landorus, you need the single target STAB from it & psychic doesn't even really hit all that much
fathom token
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I feel a bit weak without my very own fake out pressure 😢

lost phoenix
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This likely needs rain dance torn ya, i dont really see an out against koraidon

broken shuttle
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yeah

lost phoenix
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Usually fake out on kyogre teams goes to rillaboom but ur evidently running mirai so

fathom token
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yeah with these modifications there should be rain dance, I don't have as much pivot as before now

lost phoenix
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Bit hard to fit

broken shuttle
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i don't think yo can really afford hands here is the issue

fathom token
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what if I change fari with incin?

broken shuttle
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nah

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you need farig

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you get dumpstered by double fake out

lost phoenix
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Having both the fake out immune and the trick room option is really good for kyogre

broken shuttle
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ye that asw

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also helps the calyrexes

fathom token
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oh horses

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I thought mira kinda took care of them already

tiny cairn
broken shuttle
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sure, but you don't run weezing with fake out mons generally

fathom token
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weezing isn't vvery popular in this meta

lost phoenix
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Id also maybe think about sub + tera steel on lando i, amoong + nmi calyi looks incredibly hard to maneuver against with this team

tiny cairn
broken shuttle
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common weezing structures are run with dozogiri & koraidon

broken shuttle
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i think nmi glacial still breaks sub tho

fathom token
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I really need to see some matches against caly-I

sleek laurel
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Nmi glacial definitely breaks sub

broken shuttle
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even w. steel tera

sleek laurel
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The calc is just if it ohkos a x2 weak, it breaks sub on a resist

broken shuttle
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maybe it's calcable to get it tho

lost phoenix
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Usually in this matchup they will need to get in rilla while getting up tr due to your miraidon so you will have another turn amoongless to set up sub on

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Better to have an out than have no outs

broken shuttle
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116+ Atk Never-Melt Ice Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tera Steel Landorus: 47-56 (23.9 - 28.5%) -- 97.1% chance to 4HKO

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rip

lost phoenix
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Gg

tiny cairn
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would kyoger not be a decent cir counter if its not tera grassed

lost phoenix
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Theres an amoonguss

tiny cairn
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oh shit yeah

broken shuttle
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i mean realistically into that you'd just lead miraidon + kyogre

tiny cairn
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i'm asking genuine question i can totally butt out 😭

broken shuttle
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and spam spout

lost phoenix
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And they lead rilla calyi and suddenly its gone

fathom token
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I just feel that cir isn't even that much of a deal 🥺

lost phoenix
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Anyways yeah

fathom token
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I mean against miraidon yeah

lost phoenix
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Just make torn rain dance

fathom token
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but I have two water types

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yes

lost phoenix
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Thats defo needed

fathom token
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exactly

broken shuttle
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ya agree

fathom token
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that's why I wanted to have a team reserved to defend against other miraidons

tiny cairn
fathom token
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and fari feels... strange

lost phoenix
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U have lando and tera grass av ogre

fathom token
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yeah

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tbh I think I've been using kyo in a different way nevertheless

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I used em as a late game sweeper

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and amoonguss is usually important in early game where it makes more pressure

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well... yeah that kinda gives value to fari

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ok I'm buying it

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I'll give it a try

tiny cairn
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LOL

fathom token
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🥹

tiny cairn
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i love watching ppl think about this stuff

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it's so interesting

fathom token
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I like talking in chat as if I'm talking to myself

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I always end up changing my mind

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I'm a very weird dumbass

tiny cairn
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u do struggle with an indeedee cir lead however

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esp tera grass indeedee

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COULD BE VERY WRONG I AM STUPID

fathom token
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the simplest solution is to give imprision to fari

tiny cairn
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yeah that's true

fathom token
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that sounds right

tiny cairn
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yeah i love that

fathom token
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you know, when making this team I thought it was a piece of art

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and then I changed some stuff

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and then thund fell and I lost a couple of games

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and I got depressed

tiny cairn
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yeah same, i got some help with my team yesterday and it was so bad

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but i got help and now it's cool

fathom token
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the thing is that I sometimes just want to paste the team, and hear the rest saying "oh yes that's a good team"

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but I have never been able to make this happen

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and I like getting recommendations

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and I like improving

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but it feels bad

tiny cairn
sleek laurel
tiny cairn
sleek laurel
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Lmao

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What rating did you hit?

tiny cairn
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oh no i'm game ladder

sleek laurel
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Oh yea

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Forgot

tiny cairn
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i need to play more bo3

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but my laptop is usually super dead from school

sleek laurel
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Been there

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Cellphone arrives back home with me at 20% every time

tiny cairn
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it's only 9:37 and i'm already at 52 because i forgot to charge it last night but luckily there's a plug in my spanish class 🥺

fathom token
tiny cairn
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but i went on like a 6 game winsteak and im like one off masterball rn

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my online rating is poop i'm around like 1200

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i have like a 40% win rate cuz i usually just play bo1 and everyone denies open team sheets because they're using covert cloak incin with helping hand

sleek laurel
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Lmao

fathom token
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JAJA

tiny cairn
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i deadass got hit with a knock off lariat combo like 3 days ago

sleek laurel
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I usually hover around high 1300s to low 1400s in the ladder

fathom token
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tough

sleek laurel
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One time at like a 1450 hit of mine I got paired up up with my friend who pseudo-coaches me and got bodied

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👍

tiny cairn
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LOL

fathom token
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what are the odds damn

tiny cairn
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my incompetent wolfey watching ass is the one that teaches people unfortunately 💔

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one of my irls liked incin and i had to change their opinion

sleek laurel
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LMAO

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I teach a few people around oftentimes too

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Bunch of friends

tiny cairn
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i'm trying to get my gf into the game with hard tr

sleek laurel
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Day 2ing regionals here and there

tiny cairn
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oh heck yeah

sleek laurel
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Almost day 2ing EUIC 2025 😭

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Fr

tiny cairn
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WOW

sleek laurel
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Anyway

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We going off topic fr

tiny cairn
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yeah fr

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i'm a yapper

sleek laurel
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Same lol

tiny cairn
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if you wanna keep talking we can go to off topic but totally get it if you're done

sleek laurel
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Ima lucnh

tiny cairn
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alr

sleek laurel
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Arrived from cram school and havent had a bite

tiny cairn
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eat well 😆

bleak grove
humble lichen
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What are you having problems with
Amoonguss?

rare slate
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not sure what makes this "perfect"

random wagon
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no team is objectively perfect

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you’re always going to have flaws in any team because it just isn’t going to be perfect

tiny cairn
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oh wait people alr said that

bleak grove
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Amoongus isn’t hard to shut down with taunt from incin or whim

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But I don’t think my team has enough power to really do anything

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Outside of miraidon and kyogre nothing does a whole lot a damage

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But I’m not sure how to increase my power without losing the utility

ripe turret
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because you don’t need two different taunts, one is enough imo

ripe turret
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like band urshifu in rain hits like an absolute semitruck

bleak grove
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They’re both frail

tiny cairn
# bleak grove They’re both frail

sash could be more beneficial on flutter because it gives you more room to do stupid shit and it gives you another way to de crazy damage in the sun if you get into a poorly positioned weather war

bleak grove
tiny cairn
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u already have ursh, kyogre for the rain, miraidon already smacks everything around no matter the weather, and flutter mane already has kickass stats that with the support of your rain moms can still put out stupid damage

ripe turret
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maybe adding a trick room mode would be beneficial

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oh and give your whims more bulk

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and…thunder flutter mane? replace that with shadow ball

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go tera dark whims and change flutter’s tera to something else too

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maybe like normal

tiny cairn
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92hp / 20def / 92spa / 52spd / 252sp timid whim has been working well for me these past few days

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also cloak

ripe turret
tiny cairn
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it can live quite a lot esp with tera water

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and having faster encore can be helpful

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and i have a really bulky oger fire to follow me the poison moves cuz it can eat a sludge bomb like nobodies business

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i did get help in this chat with my team so i don't claim to be an expert and im happy to listen if you have other stuff

ripe turret
#

I mean tbh I don’t know that much about whims either, this is just kind of the conventional spread but if it works it works

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it’s kinda just a personal thing for me to run more bulk

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ok I just looked on smogon and apparently I’ve been living a lie for my entire life lmao

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my bad

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I thought max bulk whims was standard lmao

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ok but still the spread should be changed for that previous team so I’m not completely wrong lol

sleek laurel
#

Luca Ceribelli ran extra bulk, but Max Speed is still kinda standard

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But even if you do use Luca's spread

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You want some speed

ripe turret
#

ye mb

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I have been enlightened now

shadow coral
#

Would a Baxcalibur be worth considering on a Kyogre rain team?

ripe turret
#

only really a thing in non-restricted formats I think

random wagon
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^ this pretty much

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it faces a lot of competition with the many dragons in this format and really doesnt have good matchups into anything aside from niche restricted pokemon that dont good used themselves like rayquaza or smth

light nebula
#

I asked the other day but i never really got an answer is this channel for all VGC formats or just the newer ones

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Im tryna get some opinions for a 2013 team since another server I'm in is doing a tournament

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Or would that go in like other or somewhere else entirely

broken shuttle
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most of us have not played a lot of the older formats especially more specialized ones

light nebula
#

That was the other main thing I was kinda worried about all I really need is a kind of opinion

broken shuttle
#

yeah that's fine feel free to send

light nebula
#

I've got a team idea but I need a 6th mon

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Im getting a paste now but its supposed to be a sandstorm team within tailwind or trick room

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Gliscor has tailwind and either reun or the last slot is gonna have tr

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I was thinking amoonguss leftovers for the last one but I'm not entirely sure

broken shuttle
#

thundurus gives you additional speed control through thunder wave and taunt, while tornadus gives you defiant and a strong gem user

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cresselia is much bulkier than reun & is much more suited to getting up trick room

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  • the two flying type immunities actually allow excadrill to click earthquake
light nebula
#

Both thun and torn have defiant so that could work

broken shuttle
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gliscor is not a very good mon, it gets countered by all of the anti-landorus tech and does not offer the same offensive or defensive utility as landorus

broken shuttle
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prankster is always the way to go on that

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but defiant torn is good

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pengu i'll let u take over lol u know more

random wagon
broken shuttle
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RIP

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it's cool i know enough

random wagon
#

i mean i know like whats good and whats not but not certified to rate tbh

light nebula
#

Yeah prankster is just way too good for thudy to not have

broken shuttle
light nebula
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I really wish I had the therians though

broken shuttle
#

from here i would go conkeldurr

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it's a good trick room abuser that can handle amoonguss

light nebula
#

Guts facade my goat

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I guess my main concern then is that a bunch of my team doesn't really have sand immunity

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But at the same time this has me wondering just how important that actually is

broken shuttle
light nebula
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ok that actually opens up a lot

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actually i dont think i can get a conkeldurr right now the trade servers are down

steep mesa
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broken shuttle
steep mesa
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id say a decent amount, ive found success leading lunala korai then setting up tr and using uturn to get into ursaluna

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idk if i was js using korai wrong before when i had flame charge, im not very good at this game lol

broken shuttle
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i would keep flame charge in the back of your mind

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otherwise looks good

hearty tide
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hearty tide
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how do i fix my matchup into weezing korai

jovial creek
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The mu looks playable

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If you get the lead right

sleek laurel
#

Playable if you get the lead right is not particularly appealing, but yes the mu doesnt look too bad

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Mostly a matter of pressuring the Koraidon, Zac forces it to Tera too

ripe turret
#

imma ask what the correct lead against koraidon weezing/csr weezing would be, since I have like a very similar team

hearty tide
#

hmm i think i figured it out

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js lead zacian and amoongus and ko weezing

jovial creek
#

Can lead zacian moon but you will have to make calls

ripe turret
#

kk

fading atlas
jovial creek
granite plinth
broken shuttle
#

i would suggest slotting in Raging Bolt over either Rillaboom or Amoonguss as it allows you to force damage more effectively without compromising your miraidon or calyrex shadow matchup

granite plinth
#

sounds good

steep mesa
cursive sierra
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ripe turret
#

smogon and victory road should have some good teams, and also you can look at the top cut explorer because that should have all the teams that placed well at regional events

cursive sierra
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kinda wanted to make my own tho

ripe turret
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oh yeah that's a good one too

cursive sierra
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thanks

broken shuttle
light nebula
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light nebula
#

im just not bringing whimsicott at all what kind of options can i swap it out for?

broken shuttle
sonic apex
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would definitely do tect > dragon claw on koraidon

broken shuttle
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go covert cloak amoonguss with tera water so you can still dodge fake out while having a useful defensive tera
go jolly life orb koraidon and drop dragon claw for protect & collision corse for cc so that you increase your damage output
go clear amulet> helmet on ho oh so you can avoid intimidate on it— it's not as useful for koraidon since it's able to OHKO incineroar regardless & does a shitload of damage even at -1

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i would also maybe reconsider helping hand on incineroar for smth like flare blitz or taunt

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but realistically it's fine here

sonic apex
#

i think you also need something to deal with lunala cuz as it stands right now lunala or even calyshadow can be v threatening

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i don't think incin alone cuts it

broken shuttle
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i think AV bolt does help that a bit

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although i think you would want electroweb

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so snarl is a touch harder to fit

sonic apex
#

yeah

broken shuttle
#

i mean i guess you could go like
draco
tclap
webs
snarl

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feels a little gimmicky

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maybe you don't necessarily need webs here

sonic apex
#

i think

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doing bonnet > amoong can work in this specific scenario

broken shuttle
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oh that's a good shout

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i agree a lot actually

light nebula
#

also what does AV mean?

sonic apex
#

assault vest

light nebula
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oh ok bet

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ill also say that dragon claw on koraidon has been really really helpful dealing with miraidon

jovial creek
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Bro i sent a whole paragraph and it got snapped away by my internet

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Very good

broken shuttle
broken shuttle
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something like this

broken shuttle
light nebula
#

i lowkey dont really like bb

broken shuttle
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bb?

jovial creek
#

Brave bird

broken shuttle
#

oh bonnet

light nebula
#

i had it on a similar team and it never cooked at all

jovial creek
#

You need it for shifu

light nebula
#

brute bonnet

sonic apex
#

part of me thinks flutter > wake personally but i guess wake isn't the end of all things

jovial creek
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Oh bonnet

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What the abbreviation

broken shuttle
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definitely

sonic apex
#

flutter offer speed control and you're not exactly lacking in power

light nebula
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i really like wake bc it just nukes so much

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its a lot of my damage from my experience

broken shuttle
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which you noted you were having trouble with

sonic apex
#

i dont really like bonnet either but it perfectly fits ur paste

light nebula
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ill give it another shot

sonic apex
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i just think w/ wake ur team is super slow since u dont have any priority tailwind or speed control

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so faster team can out momentum you easily

light nebula
#

i was also gonna ask the other day if whimsicott could work with tailwind instead of hooh

sonic apex
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it's just something to consider, you don't rly have to change it

jovial creek
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Whims should always have tailwind

sonic apex
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i don't think wake is a bad fit i just think flutter fits better

light nebula
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like i know thats good but i thought it was a little redundant since hooh already had tw

sonic apex
#

yeah

sonic apex
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also i have no idea how i ended up also rating lool

broken shuttle
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i was gonna say this is the first time i've ever seen you rate since i became one

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skull

sonic apex
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it just happened

broken shuttle
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did it?

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gz

sonic apex
#

no

broken shuttle
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😭

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oh ic

sonic apex
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lmao

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i just come in every once in a while

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so depends on how u see it

jovial creek
sonic apex
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u r either lucky or unlucky to be rated by me

sonic apex
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i am just saying i have no idea how i ended up rating just now

jovial creek
#

Nuh uh

feral crown
jovial creek
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It helps you focus on getting used to the meta and playing the game without worrying about your team

ripe turret
ripe turret
light nebula
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im playing that team i got from here earlier rn and i get why yall were saying bonnet over amoonguss now

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thank yall sm

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fading atlas
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do i change something?

broken shuttle
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is there anything in particular you're struggling with?

fading atlas
#

idk how to handle incineroar well

ripe turret
#

urshifu

sleek laurel
brittle gate
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hi there! i've been looking into modifying or seeing what i can do with this team that was used at portland regionals this year. i've seen a few different pokemon be used other than csr, zama and chien-pao. i think i'm ok with amoongus and rbolt but i don't know about the sixth. i've seen rilla, oger-c and ting-lu being used and i'm assuming each one fits a different role. any help on potentially choosing?

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snow star
reef bough
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Semi inspired by a Reg G team

reef bough
spiral gale
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anyone else have not seen shadow calyrex recently

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I thought he was op what happened?

jovial creek
reef bough
drifting onyxBOT
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Has a 30% chance to paralyze the target.

Type

Dragon

Category

Special

Power

60

Accuracy

100

PP

20 (32)

Priority

0

Target

Any adjacent

Flags
  • Blocked by protection moves.
  • Can be copied by Mirror Move.
  • Can be selected by Metronome.
jovial creek
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surely you just go dragon pulse in that slot?

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or trick room

reef bough
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I have it

jovial creek
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or a coverage move

reef bough
#

Trick room Farigiraf

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coverage on mirai

jovial creek
#

you can run 2

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go

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psychic noise>protect

reef bough
#

psychic noise and?

jovial creek
#

I meant on farig

reef bough
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Oh

jovial creek
#

whims go moonblast>taunt

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incin can be AV here I think

reef bough
#

Okk

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Av?

rare hill
#

hi guys

jovial creek
hazy hamlet
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nobody talk about how much this vivilon skin looks like ting lu

spiral gale
#

Foreshadow

austere stirrup
wintry oak
signal drift
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psyduck is only thing that i dont want to change

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because migreinpokemon and i have chronic migrein

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i know golduck would be the right choice but still

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sleek laurel
# signal drift https://pokepast.es/abfeca73721d23d8

None of the Pokémon here are viable, unfortunately, with the exception of Urshifu who doesn't run a set like this

I understand your Psyduck request but unfortunately this server is entirely focused on competitive settings and we don't usually adapt to include unviable NFEs in teams

If you want to play a competitive team, I would recommend checking out VGC resources

signal drift
#

fuck i cant have my migrein team

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sad

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may i ask help making viable team then you guys are smart

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and im bit needy i know

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took me 2 hours to make that team

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golduck still viable tho right ?

sonic wind
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It just lacks the stats and tools to compete

signal drift
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it was when i competed

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man times change

drifting onyxBOT
#
Typing

Electric / Dragon

Abilities

0: Hadron Engine

Base Stats (BST: 670)

100 / 85 / 100 / 135 / 115 / 135

Weight

240 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

signal drift
#

tho there are fine mons on the sample tea,s

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i have ghodengho fullart as card

#

stall builds still viable or outright banned ?

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man this is lot of reading thanks guys ill have team to show in about 2 years

fathom token
#

its beginner's guide

wintry oak
#

no way

fathom token
#

(plus the closest thing to stall in vgc is perish trap which is just too hard to play)

wintry oak
#

the two calyrex formes ramp up way too quickly to stall

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and then kyogre and zama who don't care abt burn, zama is immune to poison

signal drift
#

sounds familiar

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its been like 10 years

wintry oak
#

ya stall wont get anyone far nowadays

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esp since some of the weaker restricteds have a way to kill stall

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maybe if pecharunt was legal?? nobody will know tho

signal drift
#

the thing about taking sample builds is i cant understande them

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i just play

brittle gate
#

oh yeah, hi mitoma. quick question while you're here, i'm also looking for an ev spread for my ting-lu on the team

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i can try and find the pokepaste for context in comp gen 2

brittle gate
wintry oak
#

ahh I dont play ting lu but I could try and make/find one

fathom token
#

I remember that wo chien (which is relatively "good" at stall) was just a niche pick during reg G, so imagine how impossible it is now with two restricteds

fathom token
wintry oak
#

ting lu bulky support correct?

brittle gate
#

i think it is

wintry oak
#

theres no way to play stall without dying anymore

fathom token
#

straight and plain murder

signal drift
#

finnish vgc discord is just talking about sauna youare nice dudes

brittle gate
#

what 😭

fathom token
wintry oak
brittle gate
#

oh?

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that'd be helpful

wintry oak
#

84 HP /132 ATK / 60 DEF / 226 SPD / 4 SPE

signal drift
#

does suicide strats work still i dont think anyone uses damp anymore

brittle gate
#

sounds good

wintry oak
#

slows down terapagos with snarl

wintry oak
#

and can pocket csr

wintry oak
signal drift
#

aight

fathom token
#

gimmicks are gimmicks after all

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they almost never work

wintry oak
#

MAYBE alolan golem with galvanize could work

signal drift
#

well i only ever played gimic builds

wintry oak
#

just to take out kyogre

signal drift
#

migrein build was fav

wintry oak
#

but mirai exists so theres no reason to run it

signal drift
#

aa right thats the new legendary

#

i forgor

brittle gate
#

oh shooot also what nature for tinglu

wintry oak
brittle gate
#

k thanks

wintry oak
#

good way to deal with incin if stone edge connects

fathom token
#

yeah and its pretty much a tr mon so you'd be goin with cir and it wouldn't even make sense, as the big majority of cir teams go with mira in the first place I think

wintry oak
fathom token
#

yeah true

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they kinda need a counter for kyogre as it tanks through g-lance, and there's always better options than alolan golem in general for that spot

wintry oak
signal drift
#

sneasler amoonguss pelipper arcaludo and then some fast heavyhitter

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wouldnt that be bad

wintry oak
#

for reg I?

fathom token
#

that's the perfect description of a reg h meta team

wintry oak
#

ya but I never rlly played reg h

signal drift
#

i mean i just used brain and it made sense

wintry oak
#

played one game, said screw it and started building a reg I team

signal drift
#

i dont know brackets anymore

fathom token
#

oh reg h was my peak season

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I played all through it

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got to 1500 on showdown ladder with a tr sun team

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good memories

wintry oak
#

I think i've found a way to make bronzong usable

signal drift
#

gengar with his icepunch and shit would also work wit hthose

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there are just better ghost types

fathom token
wintry oak
wintry oak
fathom token
#

and isn't viable

wintry oak
#

exact same EVs and IVs, but with mental herb and tera normal

fathom token
#

use flutter mane instead

signal drift
#

n gngnar

brittle gate
#

does ting-lu wanna be max ivs

wintry oak
#

safeguard and helping hand

wintry oak
brittle gate
#

idk why but showdown instantly puts it as 0atk iv

fathom token
brittle gate
#

ok good

wintry oak
signal drift
#

wdym wiht restrictions tho

fathom token
wintry oak
signal drift
#

never did real competitions

#

aaaa

brittle gate
#

and with that, my team is complete! yay!!!

wintry oak
signal drift
#

dont even know legendaries now days

fathom token
wintry oak
#

not atk, speed

fathom token
#

basically the box legendaries, for example zekrom and reshiram for black and white

fathom token
#

that's kinda crazy

#

wolfe's prediction

wintry oak
#

my usual hand against csr teams is cir bronzong, protect cir tera normal bronzong trick room

fathom token
#

but isn't it too much of an all in move to have to tera when matched against csr?

wintry oak
fathom token
#

you have ind-f if you want a normal type

wintry oak
signal drift
#

i need smoke my brain is braking

wintry oak
#
  • safeguard if they run incin will o wisp
signal drift
#

keep going ill read

fathom token
wintry oak
fathom token
fathom token
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idk seems too tera dependant

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cir likes having tera as a constant choice

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lots of fire types

wintry oak
signal drift
#

i need to hire coach to start this shit

#

mordhau is so muc easier

fathom token
fathom token
fathom token
#

damn

wintry oak
#

thats why i have sassy 196 spdef

fathom token
#

that shit tough

#

seems abt right

wintry oak
#

and the occasional gastrodon yawn comps everyone hates, counters that too

brittle gate
#

now i guess i gotta learn the format 😭

fathom token
#

haven't seen that since swsh

signal drift
#

i might jsut go back braindead 1v1

wintry oak
#

first turn yawn is crazy

fathom token
wintry oak
fathom token
fathom token
wintry oak
#

every time I try to build a team ingame I stress too much about the evs and ivs.

signal drift
#

out of context do you guys wanna see my emotionalsupport gaming buddies

signal drift
#

what channel i put them

wintry oak
#

#off-topic maybe

signal drift
#

they jus ttoys

fathom token
#

plus I'm a procrastinator3000

wintry oak
#

oh wait my laundry

fathom token
#

LMAO

#

wait you're good, after you do your laundry you have to help me with what I put on comp 2

#

I'm in trouble with my current team

wintry oak
#

i took the last drumstick from my brother

fathom token
#

🐣

wintry oak
fathom token
#

you silly little zigzagoon

wintry oak
#

id say i'm more of a poochyena

fathom token
#

team lava then?

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crazy

#

I'd say I'm a patrat then

wintry oak
#

hell yea im sick of facing kyogre

fathom token
#

I love team plasma

fathom token
wintry oak
#

just a big sea torkoal

fathom token
#

JAJA

#

that's a weird looking turtle

wintry oak
#

ya it has an ugly face

fathom token
#

awe

signal drift
#

if i make sample team would someone be willing to just chill till i understand whatsh appening

wintry oak
#

ok

signal drift
#

sure gimme few mins

#

or if someone can send me one

#

would be faster

sonic apex
#

what does "if i make sample team" means here

wintry oak
#

nah idk how u play

sonic apex
#

there's a lot of teams you can find in vgcpastes repository

signal drift
#

lot of taking dmg and protecting fast mons

wintry oak
fathom token
#

damn we were literally talking about that

wintry oak
sonic apex
#

since when does Mirai use protect

#

given it almost always runs av/specs

wintry oak
#

but protect protect i chill w csr

signal drift
#

used to troll people with ttangle

#

but never won with it just got laughsts

fathom token
signal drift
#

bind

#

bind

fathom token
#

sadly tangle is not in this gen

signal drift
#

i cant find the sample team page

#

fuck me

wintry oak
signal drift
#

oh right im chat banned in showdown so i cant invite

#

:D:D

wintry oak
#

whatd you do

signal drift
#

was telling story to random in gen6 1v1 and alkgorytihhm didnt like words

#

nothing bad

wintry oak
#

was it the story abt how you fathered a child or?

signal drift
#

7 day chatban

fathom token
#

did you say a word similar to nile but with two gs?

signal drift
#

it had hard r but in context of the story so it was pretty unfair chat ban

#

i might have pictureo f the story

wintry oak
#

oh.

#

yea I think thats a reasonable chat ban

signal drift
#

no it was not because its about context and not the word

#

but whatevere

#

cna somenoe link the sample teams

sonic apex
#

don't evade the word filter ever

wintry oak
#

someone drop this man the sample teams

signal drift
#

thats also bannable word

sonic apex
#

do not use that word dawg, you've been chat banned from showdown for using it

#

using it here is not the brightest idea

signal drift
#

let me find the picture of the story

sonic apex
#

no need

signal drift
#

well trust me it was not hard r like hat

#

that

#

so what team i was supposed to tru

wintry oak
sonic apex
#

just try whatever you're feeling

signal drift
#

ew rillaboom but ill try

sonic apex
#

also it might be a good idea to delete this message

#

just don't use any slurs

signal drift
#

true¨but im referring to myself

#

is this showdown regulated server

#

0

#

?

sonic apex
#

no, but Smogon and Showdown has basically the same rules anyway

#

don't use it even if it's to refer urself

#

don't demean urself like that

signal drift
#

i got it

#

levez is my showdwon

#

waiting for the invite and dont worry guys even tho i didnt give best first impression you will know all thoes things are just misunderstandings

dry granite
fathom token
#

hyper beam pagos worrywhirl

dry granite
#

Didn’t know what to run last slot on specs pagos

signal drift
#

switched serer name to my showdownname

dry granite
#

Someone told me to do that, it sounded strange but yeah

#

Idk if im ever clicking that besides nuking a random wide guard mon to hell or high water

signal drift
#

i cant add friends or challenge because chat ban

#

which is stupid system

#

chatban fine but cant challege

wintry oak
sonic apex
#

Hyper beam is fine

dry granite
#

K

signal drift
sonic apex
#

I think I know someone who ran tera starstorm hyper beam sleep talk pagos

#

only those 3 moves

dry granite
#

Yeah I think I used dark pulse once into csr zama

#

So I like having that

sonic apex
wintry oak
dry granite
#

cir?

signal drift
#

you guys wanna come vc t oshit talk me

#

im lonely :d

fathom token
dry granite
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ahh ok

signal drift
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why did my stream plug get removed from offtopic

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😄

dry granite
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Any other feedback on the team?

sonic apex
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because you're not supposed to plug your stream here

signal drift
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well it was jsut about frinedly chat not about stream

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you didnt read it didnt you

dry granite
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A lil unsure on what to do for the Urshifu speed tier

dry granite
signal drift
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well ill just press buttons till i knw what to do

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well

dry granite
signal drift
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i hope custom pokemon names are allowed

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am i doing someting wrog

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or am i mentally challlenged

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i ahve 0 evs

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wtf

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im stupid

signal drift
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done

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do i just search nwo

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ye lost first

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gg

grizzled nacelle
ripe turret
# grizzled nacelle https://pokepast.es/5d4b72c76dafd3df

not bad, but it needs some changes
for groudon, go tera fire, change leftovers for either AV (requires changing your set) or lorb, and go either hhp or sd over hammer arm, hammer arm is interesting for a TR team but it doesn’t add any sort of new coverage so other than lowering your speed it doesn’t do anything special
psychic>dgleam on indeedee and tera fairy/grass
protect>zen headbutt on cir and tera fire/water
ceruledge is unviable this format and amoonguss doesn’t fit here if your goal is a hyper offense TR team, replace them with ursaluna-h and smeargle/urshifu-s
and other than amoonguss fix all of your minmaxed EV spreads and maybe consider going min speed on torkoal or smth

upbeat geode
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SMOGON! Question, what are the VGC stocks for Rayquaza like these days? Cuz i wanted to build a team around one, and my Torrent Terra-Water Wide Lens Hydro Pump Greninja with Helping Hand for lulz carries harder.

ripe turret
sleek laurel
grizzled nacelle
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i think ill try vest

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and psychic

sleek laurel
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AV is preferred to LO

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On Groudon

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And then go with High Horsepower + either Thunder Punch or Rock Slide

grizzled nacelle
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high horsepower over precipice or with it?

sleek laurel
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With it

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Precipice + Fire-type move + HHP + last one

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HHP allows you to ignore Wide Guard and gives you more reliable accuracy

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Ofc its not 100 but the 100% accurate option has a MASSIVE 75 power 😭

grizzled nacelle
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why not earthquake btw

sleek laurel
# grizzled nacelle and psychic

You can also consider Alluring Voice on Indeedee btw

Both Fairy-type moves deal 0 damage but they allow you to break Focus Sash on Dark-type mons, while Psychic deals damage

sleek laurel
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It's a friendly fire-spread move

grizzled nacelle
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oh shoot i forgot

sleek laurel
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Lol happens