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[sullen river]

I asked where i could find sample teams

No one says anything

I ask about my team

"Look at sample teams"

[sullen river]

Where can I go to find sample teams?

[ripe turret]

I assume you use Pokémon showdown right

[sleek laurel]

He found them in compgen

But yea

[ripe turret]

oh ok

[sullen river]

Found a good team i like

[sullen river]

It's a good team but I feel like it's harder to use than my other teams

Every battle seems winnable but I'm winning alot less

[dense nebula]

best defensive tera for whimsicott?

[sullen river]

Steel or water

[ripe turret]

uh

[ripe turret]

best tera for whims is probably actually dark

because it blocks taunt and whatever

[ripe turret]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Choice Scarf
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 4 HP / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 12 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• U-turn
• Aqua Jet

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Modest Nature

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Tailwind
• Taunt

feel free to switch taunt for protect on tornadus (might just be a me thing but I like it)

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/db960ac8ee5de09a

• just a test

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

This isn't very good

Csr and zacian share a huge incin weakness

And you didnt really add anything to deal with thst

[reef bough]

I changed amogus to Tornadus with Taunt, Rain Sance, Bleak and Prot

[hollow herald]

Blissey @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk

• Helping Hand
• Heal Bell
• Heal Pulse
• Light Screen

Blaziken @ Focus Sash
Ability: Speed Boost
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Close Combat
• Swords Dance
• Flare Blitz
• Protect

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Dazzling Gleam
• Thunderbolt
• Protect

Great Tusk @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Body Press
• Stealth Rock
• Close Combat
• Earthquake

Tornadus-Therian @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe

• Tailwind
• U-turn
• Knock Off
• Icy Wind

Gholdengo @ Choice Specs
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 212 HP / 8 Atk / 220 SpA / 68 Spe
Mild Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Thunderbolt
• Psyshock

Hi I'm totally new to this, would rate this team?

[burnt surge]

Is this a VGC team?

[hollow herald]

yeah

but idk much about it

just started and lost like a ton

https://pokepast.es/ae3681fdb754b4fa changed to this

[burnt surge]

On first glance this looks like a (badly constructed) OU team but if you want to use it in VGC then you're going to have to make a ton of changes

Is there a Pokemon in particular you want to build around?

[hollow herald]

mainly blaziken

[burnt surge]

hm

Blaziken is going to be difficult

[hollow herald]

😢

[broken shuttle]

blaziken is not viable in current gen VGC unfortunately

[burnt surge]

it just doesn't have much offensive or defensive utility

I think your most viable Pokemon here is Iron Valiant

[broken shuttle]

the power level is just too high for it to carve out a niche

[hollow herald]

yeah i am getting that

which format would it suit?

[burnt surge]

You're more likely to find success using Blaziken in OU

than in VGC

[hollow herald]

and since i am just getting started, any advice on which format to practice in

[hollow herald]

aah

[burnt surge]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/find-your-wings-peak-7-2033-elo.3764087/

here is a successful OU team that uses Blaziken

you're more likely to win with the chicken in OU, not in VGC

[hollow herald]

haha thanks

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/21df73bda6154b69 a kyogre + calyI team i made. the main thing im on the fence about is the landoI pick. Its been doing pretty well so far but i feel like something else could definetly replace it and make the team better

i haven't had any trouble yet but just wondering what everyone else would put on the team to improve it

[broken shuttle]

hmmm

you could test like

farigaraf

idk i think the team is prolly fine as is

[sleek laurel]

Drain Punch > Brick Break on Hands is all probably

[tribal void]

yeah probably

i had break as anti screens

but ive used it like once

[sleek laurel]

The recovery is more relevant than occasionally breaking Grimmsnarl's Screens especially since you have a Choice Band Rain-boosted Urshifu Surging Strikes

Which ignores screens

[tribal void]

the main thought process

is that imo

without terrain boost unless its like supereffective

the healing isn't that good

or impactful

but like

[sleek laurel]

Without Terrain boost Drain Punch does kinda little yea

[tribal void]

ig its better than nothing

[sleek laurel]

Ig both are viable to some extent but also

[tribal void]

since bb is a bit of a waste

from my experience

[sleek laurel]

Miraidon is everywhere

And yes

Break is a bit of a waste

Team looks very fine tho

[broken shuttle]

oh nice catch

[sleek laurel]

lol

we've all been there

[valid flower]

I mean the core itself didn't work for me

[sonic wind]

I think if anything is getting replaced it's Iron Hands -> Farigiraf tbh

Lando feels too important at holding your Zama match up together

[tribal void]

i don't like the idea of dropping fake out tbh

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/73f5b25226fdb975 haven't decided on evs yet but want to know if it's worth adding torkoal or keeping urshi

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[ripe turret]

I don’t think rapid strike is good here tbh, if you want to use urshifu just use single strike or torkoal is also fine
also I think I can figure out the stomping tantrum on calyrex but I would just go high horsepower anyway
and psychic>shadow ball on indeedee probably
ursaluna probably doesn’t need swords dance as it’ll ohko almost everything anyway, but you can keep it if you don’t want EQ

also both moonblast and eforce on lunala is an interesting choice imo

but idk much about lunala so don’t listen to me lol

[potent lion]

I did end up going horsepower, that was a missclick

And I use shadow ball for csr since both lunala and cir don't have easy time into that

And the only reason I'd want torkoal is for help against kyogre, which it's still not that great into it

[ripe turret]

then you can probably just go single strike which helps with both lunala and indeedee

calyrex not indeedee lol

[broken shuttle]

psychic seed lunala is unnecessary here

[potent lion]

I already changed that

I changed the team around a bit already

[potent lion]

Is 60 into speed fine for ss? It's to outspeed 52 speed lunala

[ripe turret]

uh

well it’s hard TR so wouldn’t you want 0 speed?

and besides you have sucker punch anyway

[potent lion]

Well psychic terrain could be up so can't fully rely on sucker punch

Plus, urshi being at 0 speed still gets undersped by the same things in tr as it would if it were at 60

0 speed urshi doesn't underspeed much

[ripe turret]

right lol

[broken shuttle]

60 spe is fine, only issue is you probably won't be out of tr against lunala often

[ripe turret]

ok then yeah

[broken shuttle]

so you'll want to have a plan into it regardless

[potent lion]

Fair enough, should I run choice band with iron head at that point? If I'm not going max speed then sash doesn't seem that useful, and iron head could punish fairy tera

[broken shuttle]

cb is good

4th move on it is whatever rly if ihead works it works

[potent lion]

Might just keep sucker punch for terrain battles

Only other real option is poison jab

[broken shuttle]

ye it doesn't rly matter which

[potent lion]

Do I keep tera ghost or switch to dark?

[broken shuttle]

on ursh?

[potent lion]

Yea

[broken shuttle]

u don't need ghost

[ripe turret]

dark

[broken shuttle]

u have prio bloc

go dark or defensive tera poison/steel

[ripe turret]

can also boost ihead or pjab

[potent lion]

Might do poison then, drop sp for pj and use tera poison for offense and defense

[ripe turret]

well you don’t need both pjab and ihead

they both hit fairies anyway

[potent lion]

True

[broken shuttle]

yeah keep sucker

cz u won't always have or want psyterrain up

[potent lion]

What should the spread be? Max atk, 60 spe rest into hp?

Can't think of many meaningful calcs

[ripe turret]

yeah prob

unless there’s something specific

[potent lion]

52 Def, almost always survive surging from cb water bear

Would it be better to have an hp Stat of 200 so pollen puff always heals 100 or take 1 point away making it 199 but then putting 1 point into both defenses, that would make it to where pollen puff only heals 99 hp

[ripe turret]

for which mon

[potent lion]

urshi

Urshifu @ Choice Band
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wicked Blow
• Close Combat
• Poison Jab
• Sucker Punch

[ripe turret]

you're not gonna be pollen puffing urshifu, just give it 4 and 4

[vast path]

https://pokepast.es/9e6b01f53bee6bea been trying to make a bulky team work, goal is to get the correct walls in play and keep clicking fissure. Been doing p decently with it so far but raidon is an issue

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[jovial creek]

Why are the sets like that

[broken shuttle]

😭

[jovial creek]

Have you considered limiting the fissure to ting lu and dozo

This might be a bit too niche

[vast path]

supposed to just live for a long time and click fissure, it works way better than i thought it would

[vast path]

fliers are an issue

[jovial creek]

I would belive that

A team of normal mons after ting lu dozo could help

[vast path]

so no stall :(

[jovial creek]

That would be best

[vast path]

What would you suggest, ho oh has felt really strong

[humble lichen]

Please don't just use 6 OHKO moves
Most of these are just 252 252 instead of metamancing
Rhyperior is bulky but the defensive typing is horrible
Rest in VGC is never used because it lasts 2 turns
Amoonguss should be Rocky Helmet as regenerator heals it

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/1338c1ce99ac85b3

halp

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[sleek laurel]

Looks relatively fine, I just don't vibe with this Farigiraf

Not having Trick Room on Farig isn't it, and Farig in general doesn't look great here

I'd probably do a Ground-type here because rn Miraidon is very threatening

That or Rillaboom

Zacian can theoretically take care of Specs Miraidon, but it's reliant on not losing the Speed control battle and also Scarf Miraidon is there which honestly just wins on preview

I like Landorus-I or Rillaboom here the most

[hearty tide]

i have farigaraf for the ability mostly

[sleek laurel]

I figured, but it's not needed nor really worth it

[lunar wedge]

You could switch to support indeedee F with follow me, setting psychic terrain also helps against miraidon and prevents priority

[sleek laurel]

This is fine too

Gives you Terrain control and similar support

[hearty tide]

wouldnt this be anti-synergy with chien-pao?

[harsh turtle]

https://psim.us/t/1111946
VGC 2025 REG I

The team centers heavily around Hisuan Typhlosion in the sun for Eruption spam alongside Torkoal's own Eruption spam.

I've decided to not focus on speed and instead rely on Tatsugiri and Palkia-Origin for speed control (Trick room for fast sweepers LIKE SR Calyrex or Trick room reverser for IR Calyrex. And Icy wind on lesser speedy Pokemon or Pokemon that prefer not to switch out once set up on the field.) The EVs I would've had to spend on speed I've spent on bulk instead.

Ogerpon add-on pairs with Tatsugiri (storm drain) for Rain team counters.

And lastly, Indeedee-F to protect myself from priority moves that may damage my Typhlosion before it has a chance to attack such as Extreme speed or Sucker punch, or annoying disruptive moves such as Fake-Out.

[lost phoenix]

farig on this team is fine but the set is super weird and only exists to hhand pmuch

which makes it iffy in which mus u can even bring it in

also having pao kyogre and not urshifu seems like a complete waste

[hearty tide]

who should i switch for urshifu

i really like indeedee here actually

i tested it with a fast imprison set and it worked wonders

[broken shuttle]

hi so we're in regulation I, which is a double restricted format, & you're only using one restricted

additionally, basically every mon on that team with the exeption of ogrepon-h is not viable on that build

tatsugiri is only viable with dondozo & torkoal is only viable on hard trick room

the other mons are just not good

would recommend taking a team from here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=1863148622#gid=1863148622

[harsh turtle]

No Typhlosions in Reg I teams :V

[broken shuttle]

unfortunately it's just not good in reg i

[harsh turtle]

Oh dang nevermind then. Thank you for the help 😷

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/e04e288bd5c3f47b

Help my friends team

Already told him to switch scarf for band cause of tailwind

[celest gulch]

https://pokepast.es/4fc7e050112a191f The Dons

[celest gulch]

me when i run commander tatsugiri without a dondozo on my team

[vast path]

https://pokepast.es/5bd4379338de2cd3 been messing around with ho oh and this tailwind team has been a blast to play, opinions? Band Lando puts in an absurd amount of work

[broken shuttle]

replace archaludon here

it's not really giving you anything you don't already get with miraidon

I would go Iron Hands over Archaludon and Farigaraf over Incineroar

this gives you both Trick Room and priority block which is very good for both Kyogre and Miraidon

hands + farigaraf + kyo is also very good into calyrex-ice teams

[broken shuttle]

hi, this team isn't really competitively viable at all

rhydon has direct anti-synergy with miraidon and is completely unnecessary w. groudon

groudon + miraidon is fine on paper but this is not at all a viable way of building it out

it's a cute theme team but this is for competitive teams

[celest gulch]

but the dons :(

[broken shuttle]

if u want feel free to keep using it dawg but you won't see any high-level success w. it

[celest gulch]

yeah ngl i was just kinda trolling

hope i didnt break any rules

[broken shuttle]

just don't do it again dawg😭

[celest gulch]

https://pokepast.es/850a8ccb2557b0a6 heres the team i got top 800 in the gc with if you want something real

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[celest gulch]

its not the most original or the best fo rsure i was losing to all the leech seed noobs

[broken shuttle]

not great,
for starters Ho-Oh is entirely redundant here— you already have a tornadus for tailwind and flying STAB, why would you need to waste your restricted slot on the same thing?
the EV spreads are not optimized in the slightest, and you don't have a single protect on the entire team– something very suboptimal because of protect's vital use for positioning & defensive play
in addition to ho-oh, Heatran and Archaludon are not viable at all and Heatran especially adds nothing to the team
if you want to remodel the team, i would start from the base of Landorus-T (if you have been enjoying that, sure), Tornadus, and Kyogre

https://pokepast.es/aa8294855d516503

protect is chosen on torn and ogre to allow them to position around fake out

especially tornadus to keep its sash intact

while stomping tantrum actually gives you single-target STAB

so you aren't forced to hit your partner w. EQ

[vast path]

The evs are optimized to out speed calyrex in tailwind

You’re already outrunning everything else

[broken shuttle]

okay, but

you will not always have tailwind up

and there will be opposing teams that also have tailwind

so having speed & hitting specific bulk is very much worthwhile

[vast path]

If only I had a mon that learned taunt with priority, took advantage of kyogres rain, and set tailwind

I have never had an issue setting up wind with this team

[broken shuttle]

setting your own tailwind does not prevent them from setting theirs, and if whimsicott is their tailwidn setter you cannot prevent them from getting tailwind themselves

also, your entire team is vulnerable to fake out, so your opponent could just lead a fake out mon + a strong attacker (i.e. miraidon) and prevent you from getting up tailwind alltogether

[sullen river]

I played him a bunch and his fake out really messed me up so I think incin is good

[vast path]

Yeah one of the loses I’ve had with this team was vs 2 fake out pokemon

[broken shuttle]

yes, but Iron Hands fills a similar role while having more overall synergy with the team

[sullen river]

Oh right iron hands keeps it

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/18cc2cac10d58b7e

this is an adapted version of the original team that should function a lot better

if you have any questions abt any of the individual changes LMK

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/7a8129d20bba5e5b

How's this?

[broken shuttle]

weird but probably usable

i don't think you need tera ghost ursh

bc you have farig alrdy & protect on it

would go water or stellar

[sullen river]

Me when I can Tera ghost into the suckerpunch

[broken shuttle]

?

tera ghost makes u weak to sucker dawg

[sullen river]

What does stellar terra do?

[broken shuttle]

it boosts both STABs, it's notable for giving you a way to force damage into terapagos

[sullen river]

Yeah ik

By 1.5?

[broken shuttle]

no it makes it 2x

[sullen river]

So it's the same offensive value as water Tera aqua jet for example?

[broken shuttle]

also go adamant urshifu, it needs the additional damage boost and there's nothing relevant between adamant and jolly speed wise

[broken shuttle]

it does the same amount of damage

yes

[sullen river]

Oh yeah thanks

What type is it for weaknesses?

Stellar tera

[broken shuttle]

stellar keeps the original base typing defensively

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Stellar_(type)

[sullen river]

Ah thanks

[broken shuttle]

if you want to know more this is a good explainer

[sullen river]

Idk why when stellar Tera first came out i didn't see it in the meta so I never learned about it

I assumed it was never good since I didn't see it but now I'm surprised I never did

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/f3032918166ff891

Dialga and Gholdengo for damage

The rest support

[vast path]

Why farig? Trick room doesn’t seem too good here

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/1ef6607183131a7d really want grimmsnarl but dont feel safe dropping torn, do i just drop flutter?

[sonic wind]

Momentum and anti Calyrex. Miraidon loves Farigiraf because you can maintain momentum vs Fake Out cycling and Kyogre loves it because you can play more flexibly vs Rillaboom and Raging Bolt.

Farigiraf is also just nice vs opposing Trick Room and Calyrex-Shadow, which is always appreciated

[fleet thorn]

https://pokepast.es/10ae6a4db3e03e72 my first ever time making a vgc team but i wanted to try a sun team cos why not, i notice that i need 2 unrestricted but i only have one (i think) and was hoping to get advice on any changes or new mons i should introduce. please and thank you

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[sleek laurel]

For a first time ever team this is pretty close to being great, as you yourself mentioned you need a second restricted tho and there are two specific glaring things

Which is the fact that Chi-Yu has Protect and Flutter Mane does not

Scarf Protect I assume was a misinput or an oversight?

And also, are you specifically trying to use Groudon or just a Sun core? Because from what I've seen, Groudon's best partner is Miraidon and then you go with like a semi-sun (something like Miraidon Groudon Chi-Yu Hands Farig Whimsicott), but there's also Koraidon variations which are generally better if you wanna play Sun-oriented teams

But both ways can be worked with

[valid flower]

https://pokepast.es/22701d0e43e0518b what do y'all say ? (Just a test)

[sleek laurel]

Pretty standard, most CSR Koraidon teams have DozoGiri but there's nothing standout wrong with this one at all

Well

Tera Ghost and Overheat > TBlast Chi-Yu and Strange Steam > Sludge Bomb Weezing with Tera Water but

Overall pretty nice

[valid flower]

From the testing i thought about dropping in a re-director for the calyrex's nasty plot and maybe even put swords dance on koraidon

But i didn't know where to put it tho

[sleek laurel]

Swords Dance on Koraidon is unnecessary, a redirector could be nice but you already have Incineroar

If you think a redirector is worth more, then over Incineroar is probably it

Because it's the closest thing in terms of roles you currently have

You could consider Amoonguss or Brute Bonnet here to discourage Trick Room

Because if Weezing ever drops and TR goes up then it's absolutely over

But that's somewhat the nature of Korai CSR, Trick Room is always a major threat

But being able to mitigate it is always nice

[valid flower]

Yeah you are right

[fleet thorn]

i had to change to scarf bc venusaur had orb but completely forgot about protect, thanks, i had to remove a move of fluttermane is replacement of protect which one would it be? i’m only using groudon bc of sun to be honest. u think i should run groudon and miraidon?

[sleek laurel]

Dazzling for sure

You can either do Koraidon + Lunala or Miraidon + Groudon, with the former being honestly preferred

That does require a bit more of a team overhaul tho, but the core concept is similar

Flutter and Chi-Yu stay, the other two generally change

[fleet thorn]

should i run the mons you mentioned earlier? the iron hands farig and whimsicott?

[sleek laurel]

If its the Mirai Groudon team, I'd recommend it yes

If it's the Korai Lunala team, then usually the setup is Korai Lunala Indeedee-F Ursaluna Flutter Chi-Yu

[fleet thorn]

where can I find the specific sets for this team or is it just smogon

[sleek laurel]

Just smogon lol

[fleet thorn]

alright i appreciate it massively thank you

[sleek laurel]

No problem

[austere stirrup]

https://pokepast.es/144afec7a7b80a5f
is this team any good i made it like half asleep

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[broken shuttle]

the structure is good

needs some minor ev & move changes

max/max lunala isn't good

[austere stirrup]

what spread would you recomend?

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/dcbc54c59d58de94

these were the 3 sets i had issue w.

supercell is not it on hands, if you get protected on or swapped to a ground type on you take dummy recoil

imprision farig & protect farig are also pretty unnecessaey

[austere stirrup]

i forgot about recoil when protect happens

[broken shuttle]

you have your own iron hands, use it to attack under tr & have farig reverse tr if needed

[austere stirrup]

ohhhh

[broken shuttle]

one last thing

go adamant urshifu

jolly isn't really needed

[austere stirrup]

got it

thanks so much

[broken shuttle]

ofc !

enjoy & gl

[lost fog]

https://pokepast.es/08c2d3c7f39f1917

can you rate this team and tell me what i could do better

https://pokepast.es/d8f9548183295d3b

changed it

[ripe turret]

so uh this team is not that great to be honest

running taunt on miraidon is just not that great here

iron hands’ entire moveset other than fake out needs to be changed

amoonguss needs spore instead of gigs drain and a defensive tera of water

pelipper wants wide guard instead of u-turn and hurricane instead of brave bird so that you don’t break your own sash

urshifu wants aqua jet instead of double edge as a form of priority

and farigiraf probably wants electric seed instead of lefties and you should change protect for foul play and dazzling gleam for helping hand

and I assume that all of your teras haven’t been changed yet so change those

and minmaxing EVs is not the way to go here, I suggest looking at smogon for the sets

oh and you don’t even have a second restricted

tbh just find a rental team on the internet and use it, I don’t think this team is very good without some major changes

[spiral gale]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2373308687

first time ive ever encountered a fast honse

[ripe turret]

this is the wrong channel for this

perhaps you meant to post it elsewhere?

[lost fog]

I changed it now running specs miraidon

And switching pelipper for ho-oh

[humble lichen]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/58c7c2acd9de32ec

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Lots of the sets are a little weird and a few mons don't fit within this core

Assault Vest Calyrex-S isn't a viable set and it also has two status moves; Farigiraf doesn't fit here and also Light Screen and Protect aren't good on it, and Decidueye-H isn't viable (and even if you were to find a secret niche for it, this team doesn't need it + this set doesn't have anything that could fill this category)

Incineroar and Chi-Yu also have rather awkward movesets or items, and ig Koraidon is nearly perfect but you want Flare Blitz over Drain Punch

If you wanna play Koraidon + Calyrex-S, I would recommend starting out on the core with a tried-and-true team (I can get you one if you need) because this one simply requires too much overhauling, attempting to reshape it will just lead to cloning one of those

[reef bough]

I see, I must see this team

[sleek laurel]

I'll get one to you real quick!

[reef bough]

Oh well, I thought Devidueye was special since immune to Intimid8 and can be a physical Tailwind sweeper, but I just did realize with the high powercreep it isn't able to damage even with sash.

For Calyrex S: Assault Vest (I thought) wpuld be good against other CSR/Mirai, and I could disable opposing csr completely, in this situstion Assault Vest is bad and I shouldve removed Psychic to Protect and use a different item.

Incin and ChiYu (I wanted them to benefit from the Sun but its too overcooked to be good)

I understand reshaping this would just turn into an actual topcut team so theres no ppint continuating it

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/8566dde3dc9d6340

I got you, and thanks for the understanding

This is nearly a cloning of a topcut team, but the EVs are a little guessay because the owner didn't give any actual information on his EV spreads

LOL

[reef bough]

That is surely a colourful EV stat--is this supposed to survive a Tera Ghost Astral Barrage lol

[sleek laurel]

Oh yea and the Walking Wake is also supposed to have Aqua Jet over Flamethrower, I autopiloted into putting Flamethrower, both are viable tho

[sleek laurel]

For which mon?

[reef bough]

Korai and/or CSR

[sleek laurel]

Koraidon is supposed to live more than that

[reef bough]

I see

[reef bough]

Oh damn

[sleek laurel]

It lives a +0 Glacial Lance from Calyrex-I

Without Tera

[reef bough]

I dont think tera ice is even viable lol

[sleek laurel]

Assuming it's taken as a spread move and therefore affected by the 25% drop

No I mean

Without Koraidon having to Tera

[reef bough]

Ah

[sleek laurel]

Tera Ice is not viable indeed

Usually Life Orb sets run faster, but Ability Shield or Clear Amulet run bulkier

And since this is Weezing

[reef bough]

How would GalarWeez work with Korai? Like what do you lead with jt

[sleek laurel]

Yea.

[sleek laurel]

Ability Shield

[reef bough]

Ohh

[sleek laurel]

You're able to get Orichalcum Pulse up without being disrupted by other abilities

Intimidate, weather control, Prankster etc etc

[reef bough]

Icic since the abilities of the other mon are not really needed and will be used on Sun

[sleek laurel]

Just note that both Calyrex formes are outright immune to Neutralizing Gas

By nature

[reef bough]

Yep

[sleek laurel]

Because this mon wasn't broken enough

LOL

[reef bough]

I see why 1 form is NEEDED on a team

Thank you for the team !

[sleek laurel]

No probs!

Autocorrect

[sleek laurel]

Its not NEEDED needed but like

[reef bough]

Lol

[sleek laurel]

almost

[reef bough]

So...optimal? Lol

[sleek laurel]

Pretty much 😭

Brokemon

Anyway I gotta go

[reef bough]

Goodbye !

[sleek laurel]

Cya!

The real challenge is find a team that doesnt have neither of a horse or a bike btw

LOL

[reef bough]

LMAOO

[valid flower]

https://pokepast.es/a077dd1985be7ed6
I have been playing this team with incin instead of indeedee , but i had bat matchups against trick room and my calyrex couldn't set up with nasty plot as often , so indeedee was the better option it has been incredible , especially in the mirror match i can lead with indeedee calyrex , in the face of their caly and another mon , i will tera normal nasty plot and follow me, then next turn i can bring in whims and tailwind or helping hand and win the game
(The message for the guy i was talking with yesterday about the team i don't remember his name)

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/37c54c7399d68040

Csr Koraidon

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

this looks fine to me, i really only have 3 changes

1. Thunder Wave>Parting Shot on Grimmsnarl, you don't need the additional damage reduction, but right now you have no other speed control & Twave Grimm helps with that at lot
2. Psychic>Psyshock on Calyrex. you have Koraidon/Incineroar/Amoonguss/Grimmsnarl, I don't think you really need to worry about hitting stuff like Calm Mind Terapagos harder & Psychic is better in basically every other scenario
3. I would recommend Electroweb + Volt Switch + Draco Meteor + Thunderclap for your moves on Raging Bolt. as i mentioned earlier, a big issue for the team is the lack of speed control which is greatly alieviated by having electroweb on bolt. having volt switch also allows you to more easily run Draco Meteor, as you're able to volt switch out and reset your boots. Snarl seems fairly unnecessary here to me as you already have Grimmsnarl and Incineroar to help with damage reduction, I would definitely recommend Electroweb Bolt– volt switch & draco vs tbolt & dragon pulse is up to you, i just prefer volt + draco

[broken shuttle]

the structure looks good, just needs EV spread changes

on Indeedee and Koraidon your EVs are distributed incorrectly, 8 & 200 do not yield stats at level 50

also, the nature on Chi-Yu and spread on whimsicott aren't great either

https://pokepast.es/32b3fe4fb3502701

edit w. EV changes & tera type fixes

if you have any questions lmk!

[ornate cloak]

Alr got it tysm

[broken shuttle]

yw, enjoy !

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/0209e664f2a85dc5

i need a sixth pokemon, any ideas?

[ripe turret]

honestly you could replace wake here with dozogiri

but if you don't want to be evil

then...

honestly I don't actually know lol

[viscid notch]

https://pokepast.es/697e02ca0860491d
This team is probably not great, but I wanted to make a miraidon+urshifu team since they seemed to compliment each other

[jovial creek]

the concept works but idk about some of the sets

flutter seems kinda unnecessary there

you have speed control already with flutter

[viscid notch]

Yeah

I mainly just wanted anti TR

[jovial creek]

i said flutter twice

wtf

meant whims

[viscid notch]

Probably a better mon

for anti TR

[jovial creek]

what about electric seed farig

it helps into tr

and you get prio block

[viscid notch]

Yeah, that could be good

https://pokepast.es/8364096089846c4a

Something like this?

[jovial creek]

yeah

oh

go mystic water ursh

lum isnt good

[viscid notch]

Alright

Is sash on whimsi still good in this format?

[jovial creek]

yeah

[vast path]

https://pokepast.es/0343a8643ff41789 tried to make a koraidon sun team, still dont know how to ev for vgc. Thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[stoic silo]

Not too sure about solgaleo

[sonic wind]

I'd recommend checking out teams from the Portland regional and Utrecht special event. There are some flaws here like Solgaleo, both Wake and Specs Flutter are far from good, AV Koraidon is also an awkward set.

You won't be able to see EVs but you'll be able to see the sets of the Pokemon and be able to confidently run a team you know is good

[jovial creek]

This looks good, I'd change chi yu to be tera ghost and lunala to tera fairy

[ancient wasp]

Alright

Isn’t it bad if my two restricted legends have the same Tera?

[jovial creek]

No

[ancient wasp]

Alright

Any moves need to be switched out

Or are my choices good

Ive been saying for a while but i got a school tournament on Monday and im bringing that team and I need make sure it’s absolutely perfect

[jovial creek]

Oh go tera ghost ursaluna

And i have a better lunala spread

Lunala @ Electric Seed
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 36 Def / 180 SpA / 172 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moongeist Beam
• Moonblast
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room

lives life orb astral barrage

[ancient wasp]

And doesn’t Ursaluna counter Caly-I in trick room

Since its slower

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/0209e664f2a85dc5
i need a sixth pokemon, any ideas?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[obtuse reef]

Prob whimsicott

[jovial creek]

Chi yu

[fading atlas]

when can i use chi yu? Because I put it there, but i almost never used it

[jovial creek]

Lead it with csr

[ornate cloak]

@broken shuttle sorry to bother you, but I had a question, do you think Brute Bonnet might work better on the team I sent the other day instead of Amoonguss?

[jovial creek]

It helps into opposing csr

Or into pagos bc snarl

[jovial creek]

What's the team

Generally

[fading atlas]

okk, thanks

[jovial creek]

Amoonguss is better if you need an answer for cir under tr

[ornate cloak]

Gimme a sec

https://pokepast.es/1370fb9d77706f10

This is the team

I think defense booster tera Water Bonnet might be half decent against cir but idk

[fading atlas]

can i start with chi yu + weezing against opponents who are using koraidon + csr?

[ornate cloak]

I'm just curious but why does Incineroar have protect

[fading atlas]

this team is from a japanese, i didn't put it there, but the protect on Incineroar saves me a lot

[ornate cloak]

Alr

Anyway yeah sixth slot can be Chi-Yu

[broken shuttle]

yeah brute bonnet can work there fs

[ornate cloak]

Alr W tysm

[narrow dock]

Does anyone have a 0 speed iv hitmonlee, hitmonchan, or hitmontop

[ripe turret]

not the place to ask, probably try in #comp-general or something

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/65edc45fb749fa2e

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sullen river]

I know it's not the optimal team but I like it and don't wanna change it a crazy amount

[jovial creek]

protect>draining kiss on csr

you have zama for dark types

[sullen river]

K

[jovial creek]

on zama go protect>iron defense and behemoth bash oevr snarl

pao go icicle crash>ice spinner (you have terrain)

https://pokepast.es/9af257b6e2d55e56

made some changes

zama spread is kinda weird

[sullen river]

Yeah idk why I have him

Any other restricted that would go better on this team?

[jovial creek]

nah csr zama is good

[sullen river]

I added scared sword to chein cause I need more dark type killers

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/5cb22f5f857a0b6c

i feel the this team is good against (most) of the meta, essentially against miradon, grass types, landorus/ursaluna, and kyogre.

I feel it struggles against urshifu, koraidon, and ogerpon - c. What should I change?

[broken shuttle]

@modest dune deploy

[sullen river]

Do you need jolly urshif if you're running scarf?

[broken shuttle]

ill give small notes,

as mentiioned, adamant>jolly on scarf fs

[sullen river]

YEAH I HELPED!

[broken shuttle]

the tornadus spread is odd

i would use smth more like

this

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Tailwind
• Protect

[sullen river]

Why trickroom on lunala if nothing is slow and you have tailwind?

[broken shuttle]

trick room is fine

it's good for speed control into opposing tailwind teams or faster-paced teams

/for reversing opposing tr

[sullen river]

Ah

[inner basin]

Alr

[fathom token]

Alr so last week I've got back into vgc since a lil setback and now I'm just trying out the dual restricted meta, so I've made a couple of them

https://pokepast.es/b5e16787e7900bdf
weird nonsense with lunala and terapagos
https://pokepast.es/9cb958630316e70e
Ray + Caly-S offensive core
https://pokepast.es/ff44335f905988ec
ho-oh + koraidon (I thought sp.atk ho-oh was a good idea but I'm not sure at all now)
https://pokepast.es/47c2ab216c533b0d
pretty much a better version of the one before, with physical support ho-oh and sum other weird supports
https://pokepast.es/98915122bab61f75
Tailroom caly-I and lunala
https://pokepast.es/be5f86f1b3f31289
n-dawn + zama psyspam

for any helper who's seeing this, you don't necessarily have to look at each team cause the first ones are quite dum and ngl they seem too bad to be changed
the last two ones are the most worthy ones I think, thank you in any case!

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sleek laurel]

Focusing mainly on the ndawn zama one because I think that's the one with more issues

[fathom token]

okeyp

[sleek laurel]

I don't like the ndawn set, AV just isn't worth it esp in a psyspam setting, and Prismatic Laser is an unmove

I'd just do Meteor Beam + Moongeist Heam + Expanding Force/Photon Geyser + Trick Room with Power Herb

[fathom token]

yeah prismatic laser was a niche choice, I kinda thought it was funny to have a nuke move

okey that sounds good

[sleek laurel]

Makes sense, but if you want a single target Psychic-type move just do Photon Geyser

Which in Psychic Terrain is already a nuke

Lol

[fathom token]

truly

[sleek laurel]

And Ursaluna-Bloodmoon isn't something I'm much fond of here either since your team is a bit too slow without being HardRoom

Maybe you can keep it but I'd 100% do Scarf Urshifu then

The thing with Bloodmoon is the typing is pretty nice

Coverage wise I mean

But the Speed situation is a little awkward

Probably Scarf Urshifu is a more surefire solution at second glance

[pallid bramble]

https://pokepast.es/80236d0397e9f55b
Can anyone give their opinion on the team?
I played 2 games and I think it's good, but if it can be improved, it's always good!

[sleek laurel]

I'll get to you after this one

[fathom token]

yeah I've actually figured this when running into flutter manes and didn't really change it, but this just fixes that problem

[pallid bramble]

ok, ty

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Other than that it looks nice

[fathom token]

yayy

[sleek laurel]

I don't have much theory with Zama NDawn

But there definitely isnt anything else like

Clearly bad

If you run into any issues lmk tho

[fathom token]

they have a great synergie as wide guard counters ghost rider and body press fucks dark types, then ndawn sweeps

I love it

[fathom token]

yup

[sleek laurel]

Yea they work well together

Funnily enough I've seen Zama Lunala but not Zama NDW which is a little funny

Because Zama already offers Wide Guard

[fathom token]

guess I'm the first one to think of it (hopefully)

yeah that's silly

cause lunala also runs wide guard

[sleek laurel]

Chef's kiss

You can consider fast Miraidon if you think Miraidon mirrors are an issue

But looks flawless on paper

[sleek laurel]

Yea

I might steal this later down the line and use it vs a friend tbh lol

Who has a positive score of 21-8 on me, but I wanna see what she thinks

LOL

[fathom token]

DAMN

cruelty peak

wait

[sleek laurel]

?

[fathom token]

is it too much asking about this other team aswell
https://pokepast.es/98915122bab61f75

I did tailroom before

in reg g

with caly-I

wasn't very good...

[sleek laurel]

Caly-I Tailroom is fine but there are a few slightly awkward things about this

Mainly, Araquanid isn't worth it, and fitting both Tailwind AND TR on Lunala isn't either

Just do Wide Guard and TR on Lunala

[fathom token]

ah ok

[sleek laurel]

And then like

Hisui Ursaluna > Bloodmoon and something offensive > Araq

Maybe an Ogerpon forme

Cornerstone looks juicy here

[fathom token]

hmm

and what about the water forme

[sleek laurel]

Its fine too

But you already have Urshifu-R

[fathom token]

yeah I was about to say

too much water

[sleek laurel]

And Cornerstone offers the bonus of Sturdy

[fathom token]

true

[sleek laurel]

Which is very big for Follow Me

Hisui Ursaluna is also goated here btw

With Lunala in particular

Because you Wide Guard and you Earthquake

👍

[fathom token]

it is? I've seen h-ursa on sun teams cause sun protects em from water

and

well

same happens with this one what am I saying

[sleek laurel]

Its mostly being used in Lunala teams now

Support Lunala

[fathom token]

okok

sounds good then

[sleek laurel]

Prime results of it were seen in Milwaukee yea

CIR Lunala outside of HardRoom is a bit specific but if you can pilot it

Then its pretty peak

Just know you will be using Trick Room more often than Tailwind

[fathom token]

I hope tailroom as itself gets its own moments

I love to turn the game like an omelette

its so satisfying to say "fuck it I'm going fast instead of slow"

[sleek laurel]

Same

I am a Miraidon CIR Tailroom player

You don't have to tell me that LOL

[fathom token]

dope

[sleek laurel]

Truly

I gotta go cook

[fathom token]

I haven't seen much of miraidon tailroom, I just can't get out of low ladder with these ass teams

[sleek laurel]

(As in food, not teambuild)

[fathom token]

lol

hope its tasty

[sleek laurel]

Ty

[fathom token]

byee

[sleek laurel]

Peace man gl with the teams

[fathom token]

👍

[pallid bramble]

noted

[shadow coral]

How viable would this Bastiodon set be as a wide guard user in doubles? https://pokepast.es/e2189de589de140f

I would use it with Kyogre-CIR if anything

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/b375a391a2ff11f7
can anyone give their opinion on the team?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

I like it

looks good

[jovial creek]

not very

there is a group of californian players that try to build bastiodon, if you want to use it I'd try to wait until they cook something

[obtuse musk]

https://pokepast.es/44dc5acc96eb94fb

ok hows this?

my hail team kinda feels wrong without a slush rush user or a snow cloak user

but ig there just not good in vgc

@jovial creek

[jovial creek]

go draco meteor miraidon

and it looks good, just remember to add a nature on mirai

oh and go foul play>hyper voice and Psychic>psybeam on farig

[obtuse musk]

Is foul play really good? I thought stab hyper voice would be better

[jovial creek]

foul play helps into the calyrex formes

[light nebula]

https://pokepast.es/336f5d80a49dfadc

[jovial creek]

Don't run perish trap

[light nebula]

its mainly a meme team but i feel like i have too many pokemon that are just 252 252 spread

[jovial creek]

It's not very good

And that's not the way

[idle pond]

is it cool if i get into some other stuff about your team before the evs?

[light nebula]

not the way to ev or not the way to perish

yeah thats fine

[jovial creek]

Perish

[light nebula]

if its anything i have another team that i actually run on ladder this is genuinely just a bit

[idle pond]

alr i will get to them but i do agree perish is really hard to play especially since there isnt any pivots here, ho oh would love to run sacred and b-bird and some tailwind, its atk is higher and its bulk lets it support, i like your calm mind approach if its been working cool but i cant see it working in theory rn

idk how good eject is on amoonguss in reg i, i did see some of it recently but it seems very unorthodox when it has some other tried and true options

is tera ghost for fake out?

[light nebula]

epack amoongus was very much a "i dont wanna spend much time on a meme team and i saw the funny youtube guy do it" thing

and yeah ghost is for fakeout

[idle pond]

i see i see

[light nebula]

now i guess im past the first hurdle so im down for ideas for that

[idle pond]

i will say that for your evs, 252 252 is generally bad because sometimes they you waste evs or they can be much better spread out to ensure a better position against certain moves or matchups

252 252 is still fine for sash and sturdy

idk any spreads off the top of my head but i know koraidon has many on munchstats that invest in bulk

[jovial creek]

Don't use munchstats

252 252 korai is like

A meta staple

I appreciate the willingness to help but you are kinda off

[idle pond]

i see

my apolocheese i am 108 hp pilled

[light nebula]

so korai is at least fine?

[idle pond]

then yeah

[jovial creek]

Yeah

[idle pond]

you still have 4 on him btw

[light nebula]

yeah i saw that when i was messing with hooh its in hp

[idle pond]

ok thats good

[light nebula]

is the other mode good?

i was going for sun in case people were smart about trap most people are

[idle pond]

sun mode?

sun's good yeah you have a proto user and your ho oh will hit harder

were you asking if your sun mode is good?

wake too

[light nebula]

yeah the idea was korai screamtail goth amoon for p trap

and then swap the perish duo for hooh wake for sun

leading korai wake for sun

[idle pond]

so main core is perish and you have some good sun enjoyers in the back in case perish looks bad?

[light nebula]

yeah

thats about right

[idle pond]

btw, how come gothitelle has tera grass

[light nebula]

spore immunity was my thought process

both the perishers are essentially immune to fakeout and spore

[idle pond]

yeah i wanted to bring that up also because gothitelle is already pretty successful just sitting on the field

she can fake out and even taking a spore she's doing her job, most will want to spore her partner

[light nebula]

that makes sense

does that also apply to cloak?

[idle pond]

asking if cloak is good for her?

[light nebula]

yeah

or would i be better off giving her tera ghost and giving the cloak to somethign else

or some other tera type

[idle pond]

its not terrible, i actually dont think she'll suffer if she takes a fake out, u might like leftovers or even rocky helm but i know its taken which disincentivizes attacking her, ghost is dangerous because of calys i dont think u need to avoid fake out that much

leftovers keeps her alive longer

tera water is strong defensively and can keep shadow tag up longer

sitrus is an option

[light nebula]

i went with leftovers i feel like the fact it lasts longer would be better

bc sitrus is single use

[idle pond]

good call, sitrus is nice when youre bulky cuz you usually survive <50% hp and you get a big burst of recovery at once

but lefties is reliable

[light nebula]

actually would it be an idea to give scream tail the leftovers and goth gets sitrus?

[idle pond]

its an option, i think goggles is better tho

how come no disable on your pink balloon?

u also have only status moves, tera dark or mental herb saves you from a taunt

[light nebula]

honestly forgot it got disable LOL

i could trade out encore for that

i didnt notice it when i was looking for encore

[idle pond]

i think encore is super reliable, especially encore disable together and with perish trap renders mons useless

[light nebula]

yeah bc they just struggle right

[idle pond]

encore them into struggle is what she likes to do

yep

[ripe turret]

wolfey??? is that you???

ho-oh as a special setup sweeper is crazy work

[light nebula]

yeee thats already fixed LMAO

and i genuinely dont know what id do if i got anywhere near high enough to see that dude on ladder but i doubt itll happen LOL

[ripe turret]

I agree with disable over hh here, otherwise scream just has no presence outside of perish song

[light nebula]

yeah thats what i ended up with

disable encore song protect

[ripe turret]

👍

[light nebula]

i took 4 evs off of wake spa so i could guarantee speed proto

doubt the 1 point off would make any real difference

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/c6d10942a9eb270e

Reg I TailRoom team

[dense sphinx]

https://pokepast.es/85de67e0f3674df2

Reg I Rain + Trick Room.

I suck at EVs

[drifting onyx]

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[wraith arch]

https://pokepast.es/2ef4c3a5af5a5a9e
mixed rain? (i dont really know what i made)

[shadow coral]

How viable is this Koraidon-Lunala team? https://pokepast.es/84bcd684e1d63b4d

[broken shuttle]

a few notes on these sets,

you get taken advantage of by double fake out much too easily with the team as is, you need protect on Kyogre, Tornadus, and Urshifu

the EV spreads are also not great

Kyogre should never be going that slow, and room service is not a good item on it— by going that slow on ogre you sacrifice its functionality in tailwind

https://pokepast.es/378e73bcb5dda767

i made a few EV & move changes

this should work better

if you have any questions abt the updated paste lmk!

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/4ca1eeca6529b8db i made a few edits here as well,

tera grass w. bulky calyrex-ice allows you to avoid amoonguss even better
hydro pump + thunder allows you to deal with zamazenta & opposing kyogre better
i made some EV changes on Kyogre Arch & Caly for more optimized bulk and speed benchmarks
i also made your incineroar more defensive & swapped flare blitz for taunt as you don't really want flare blitz because of how rain reliant your team is

i'm not the biggest believer in archaludon, if you find that it isn't doing very well in testing i would consider replacing it with a tailwind mon like Iron Jugulis or Roaring Moon

if you have any more questions just lmk!

[broken shuttle]

i don't think archludon is good here, you need speed control and you already have zamazenta filling the same role as arch
choice specs kyogre also isn't particularly viable, if you were to run that you would need to run it alongside priority block like tsareena or farigaraf
https://pokepast.es/209770cf34336abe
changing the items around, AV Rillaboom helps you pivot around Miraidon while Tornadus gives you Tailwind and weather control into Koraidon and CSR, Focus Sash Urshifu allows you to actually take a hit and actually stick on the field for a bit. Kyogre uses mystic water to be more versatile around fake out via protect & tera grass is chosen to give you a rillaboom/raging bolt/miraidon resistance & make you immune to amoonguss's spore

[wraith arch]

mhm, thx for the help

[broken shuttle]

this looks good, i would recommend moonblast lunala over dazzling gleam but realistically it's fine— why is it tera blast fairy bolt? i don't think you really need it here, i would go volt switch instead. also, you should not drop parting shot on incineroar— drop protect for parting shot.

should be fine other than that

you can test power herb + meteor beam lunala but it looks good

[broken shuttle]

ye lmk if you have any additional questions !

[wraith arch]

alright, gonna ask tomorrow though its getting kinda late

[shadow coral]

Would Tera ice bolt be worth considering?

[broken shuttle]

no

it doesn't really provide any defensive value outside of the ice resist which better types like water give you also

[shadow coral]

Should I give incin the vest and find another item for bolt then?

Wait nvm can’t use parting then

[broken shuttle]

no, AV bolt is right here— i just don't think tera blast is necessary

you get a lot more out of volt switch or thunderbolt

[shadow coral]

Thank you so much for the help

[broken shuttle]

yw!

[severe basin]

I appreciate the help my guy, if you don't mind, could you explain the EVs or would that be too long lol

[broken shuttle]

basically, the Urshifu spread takes 2 astral barrages, the calyrex spread outspeeds landorus-incarnate in tailwind and slow incineroar out of tailwind, the kyogre spread hits some general offensive benchmarks while maximizing bulk

[outer root]

https://pokepast.es/560e24aacaf5a9d7

Ik the team isn’t very good but I think Granbull in trick room is something that could really work and I think it needs to be explored more

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/c493f8c0b72fa751
Any tips with my team?

I swear I'll get in like a 5 game losing streak and have no idea why

[jovial creek]

its not very good

120 attack isn't too much

[ripe turret]

it’s honestly not bad

[jovial creek]

and its not at all worth the downsides

[ripe turret]

other than maybe cloak over roseli berry on bonnet

[jovial creek]

go rocky helmet bonnet

and cloak weezing

[ripe turret]

or yeah that makes sense

[jovial creek]

csr you don't need tera fighitng

go tera ghost and encore>tera blast

[sullen river]

Does cloak block follow me and rage powder?

[ripe turret]

no

[sullen river]

Oh

[ripe turret]

just fake out and icy wind

and stuff like that

[jovial creek]

you run it on weezing for fake out

it lets you taunt trick room users

[ripe turret]

if it blocked all status it would be broken af

[sullen river]

I'm getting follow me/rage pow more than fake out

For trickroom atleast

[ripe turret]

you can just blow up the user with koraidon or something and then taunt the other

[sullen river]

True

[jovial creek]

you lead either korai or csr

blow up the partner

[ripe turret]

cuz usually it’s indeedee or amoonguss/bonnet that are using those moves

[jovial creek]

and taunt

or chi yu calyrex-S

[ripe turret]

ye

[jovial creek]

and click 2 spread moves

[sullen river]

Yeah I'm just realizing I'm dumb for not doing that

[ripe turret]

and blow up both

[sullen river]

I always ragequit when I lose which is anoyying when I want to know what i did wrong

[jovial creek]

yeah

[ripe turret]

yeah you just gotta fix your mentality

[jovial creek]

thats a good thing to know about yourself

[ripe turret]

view losses as ways to learn

and therefore as wins

every match is a win unless you don’t learn anything

[sullen river]

Yeah I know that but only when im not playing

I wish I had more recordings cause I don't know if the losses are because im playing bad cause im pissed or cause im just bad

Idk which one id prefer honestly

I suppose not getting annoyed comes with experience and from what I can tell its something you need to learn per game

[outer root]

Has intimidate and threatens 2hko on every restricted iirc

Struggling to find a move it dies to

And a skilled player can work out all of it’s bad matchups

[obtuse musk]

https://pokepast.es/8de14e8b12198960 can someone rate this?

yes im aware dawn is better than dusk bit i like dusk more

The idea For dusk is while he is risking of getting intimidated life orb should redice the effect of it and sd to sweep with a bulky mon

Or i could add covert claok to conf a tr set up with how bulky dusk is

[ripe turret]

you don't need it as you already have priority block with indeedee

and yes dusk mane is basically inferior to dawn wings

if you're gonna run dusk mane at least change to a defensive tera probably

because it doesn't have a spread nuke move that can take advantage of tera psychic

[sullen river]

Bruh I almost lost cause my chi yu flamethrower didn't one shot the amoongus

[jovial creek]

what did you click with csr

and whats your chi yu set

[sullen river]

I lead chi yu and weezing

It was amoongus and lunala

I'm now realizing cally s would one shot the lunala

[jovial creek]

you shouldnt lead chi yu+weezing

beads of ruin is important

[sullen river]

Ok

Yeah I should have lead csr

For free lunala kill

Oh and then taunt the amoongus for no spore

I never know, do I collision corse or flare blitz with sun against miraidon?

[jovial creek]

cc does more

you should try to chip it

then ko with korai

[sullen river]

How do I kill mirai? Like which mons on my team can beat it?

[jovial creek]

csr and korai

can chip it with weezing

[sullen river]

Ok

Bruh I love ohkoing an incin with Tera fighting terablast on csr

I never used encore

[sullen river]

Here's a good example of Tera fighting
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regi-2376009785

Like I know its not optimal or the best option, obviously the pros (and you guys) know better but I just like it

[jovial creek]

thats fine

having comfort picks is a thing

[sullen river]

I'm confused with elo, I know 1000 is the bottom but other than that I have no reference for how good anything is

[jovial creek]

it tends to depend on the format

[sullen river]

Say this reg vgc

[jovial creek]

1500s is pretty high

1300s is where I'd say low ladder ends

[sullen river]

I got to 1400 after a crazy long win streak but now im back to 1200 where I belong

I just lost cause I let grim snarl set up screens but I had to taunt the cally I. How do I stop both of them?

I guess lead korai and fish

And watch the world burn

[ripe turret]

or korai and weezing

[ripe turret]

because without prankster grimm is slow so you can just blow it up with tera fire flare blitz from korai and then taunt the cir

[fading atlas]

https://pokepast.es/0f54388994c5d063

when do i use the raging bolt?

[drifting onyx]

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[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/1dd434e35c66eb93
How's this team

[jovial creek]

when the priority is nice

or if urshifu was annoying

idk how to explain

[jovial creek]

go leftovers on calyrex and bulkier if you want leech seed

or run hhp

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/1c53644a335c85a2
How about this

[jovial creek]

looks good

I'm interested in how well roaring moon will do

[fading atlas]

what can I put in the sixth poke?

https://pokepast.es/cd366a97d8979e47

[jovial creek]

Should probably change the team a bit

I have to sleep but gouging doesn't fit and grimmsnarl is weird with that duo

Try swapping csr and gouging

[fading atlas]

what can i use the gouging fire with? i wanted to use it somehow

[dense sphinx]

Tysm

[dense sphinx]

Also quicl question, you gave mystic water to both kyogre and Basculegion, Whose item should i replace?

[broken shuttle]

nice catch, just replace one o them with splash plate

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[obtuse musk]

Ok i got a sun team now

ok...

anyways before someone says it yes ik koridon is better for this sun team then giritina is bet girintina is my favorite restricted mon so im useing it

Life orb venu is so i dont need to have growth

Tornadus is ol reliable

And i wasnt sure who to put for a proto mon so im useing walking wake

https://pokepast.es/62f5c4a5373ae11b

If the other form of giritina is better let me know

[dense sphinx]

ty, didn't even think about that lol

[sleek laurel]

????????

[ripe turret]

yeah… so this is just not that great outside of tornadus and groudon (and I guess giratina if you really want to keep it)

venusaur and mienshao are not good this format and wake imo is bad

I would suggest adding sash flutter, scarf chi-yu at least

and change torn to tera dark and gira to tera steel

and torn definitely needs some more bulk here

[sullen river]

Walking Wake @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 108 HP / 4 Def / 188 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hydro Steam
• Draco Meteor
• Snarl
• Aqua Jet

Whats the point of aqua jet?

https://pokepast.es/d1bbfd6049cca9c2

[drifting onyx]

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[sullen river]

Actually what's the point of wake?

[jovial creek]

why are you roseli bonnet

[sullen river]

I never use it

[jovial creek]

go rocky helmet

[sullen river]

K

[jovial creek]

wake I think is just a good bulky attacker

like into special attacking restricted pokemon

[sullen river]

I guess he can nuke mirai

If he has speed

Would there be any other replacements for it?

[jovial creek]

have you tried using it

[sullen river]

Yeah but I feel like there's always a better mon on my team to pick

Ok i just used it but I need to learn more interactions with it

I took a gamble on it outspeeding (what I assume to be) choice scarf chi yu

Thankfully it worked

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/edcd58e72d134eb4
Is h-ursaluna better on this team or blood moon

[sullen river]

I think generally h is better

[jovial creek]

base

you want the physical attacker

go earthquake over sd

or crunch

[sullen river]

But you do have 3 other physical attackers

[jovial creek]

miraidon is enough special attacking for a lifetime

[sullen river]

Lol

[ripe turret]

hisui is almost always better

[sullen river]

Whats a good vgc elo goal to try and hit?

[ripe turret]

it’s not about hitting a specific elo, but more about improving gradually every season imo

like elo doesn’t matter

or not that it doesn’t matter, but it doesn’t matter in the sense that it’s not a measure of your skill

like my philosophy is to just play and try to improve and elo improvements will follow

[sullen river]

Ok

But I need a reference point to compare myself to

Cause i feel like general skill is hard to gage cause I view it differently than just learning interactions

[sleek laurel]

Showdown elo is far too volatile

[sullen river]

Yeah

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/19f99f73b546edef

reg I tailroom. i find i do ok against most of the restricted mons. i will say that out of like 25 games or so, i only used tornadus 2-3, so i think im going to replace him. problems i have are against bulky water types, zamzenta, and calyrex mirror matchs

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

I think you can replace indeedee here with a more offensive mon

trying to think of something that would be good

[inner basin]

Hm

[jovial creek]

Go tera water ursh

Have you struggled with cir?

Or both

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/81897a9eb6c60f19

id like to know what evs I should put on these mon (Team from topcut)

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/1b35787be0203854
trying a miraidon zacian team, with mons that cover up weaknesses and benefit from each other. Banded leaves under terrain blows up a bunch of things. Speed boosters, tailwind, and taunt to stop TR is speed control. I don’t like icy wind cause it don’t help in the ice rider matchup and zac already outspeeds most things. Lando and bundle are strong in rain and zac and leaves like the fire reduction. Megahorn and solar blade are matchup specific. Just want some thoughts on the concept.

[ripe turret]

pretty good team overall but could use some changes

give your miraidon its 4 extra EVs

I would honestly run icy wind over something like hydro pump anyway because pelipper isn't that consistent of a tailwind setter

and change bundle's tera to ghost probably, don't see how normal really helps outside of csr which you can deal with better with icy wind

tera water on zac instead of tera fire prob, but it can work

personally would go hurricane over u-turn on pelipper for a strong flying stab, but it's up to you

and landorus definitely wants earth power over tera blast as a consistent ground move and go tera poison/water especially because tera blast doesn't benefit from sheer force (I think)

and on landorus this is just a personal thing, but giving it 132hp 4def 112spa 4spd 252spe modest with tera poison lets it live a tera water surging from shifu

[sterile cedar]

Under rain?

[ripe turret]

I think it's just a tera water surging after terastallizing

not in rain

so it might not actually be that helpful considering your team is like basically rain

but idk up to you

[sterile cedar]

Rain is more the side play style, it leans more into speed booster spam

[ripe turret]

kk then yeah you can consider it

[sterile cedar]

Why not just do Tera blast fly then if it will let me live and Ko back?

[ripe turret]

because earth power kills uninvested as well without needing tera

[sterile cedar]

Oh ok

[ripe turret]

and it's going to be much more useful like 90% of the other times

actually you may want to consider going 120 modest

just so you can get the extra 2 stat points

oh wait no it's 116

I'm kinda dumb lol

116 modest and 132 hp lmao

[ripe turret]

this is actually 132hp 4def 116spa 4spd 252spe modest and it guaranteed lives jolly tera water surging from shifu after terastallizing to poison while adamant has a 1.12% chance to ohko, and earth power ohkos if the urshifu isn't invested past 4hp or 4spd

[sterile cedar]

Comparing speed teirs ima drop down to 228 speed to creep adamant non scarf shifu and put it in atk

Nevermind i want to outspeed chi-yu

[inner basin]

Yeah

Sorr for the late reply too. I was sleeping

[tough sleet]

goofing off this reg but still wanna cook for funsies https://pokepast.es/0f635062f55d9eaa

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[sleek laurel]

Icy Wind > Dazzling on flutter

And make it Timid

[tough sleet]

done

[sleek laurel]

Secondary Speed control is nice for teams with similar Speed range if ur not hardroom

Else looks fine gj

[sleek laurel]

Actually

Since its waterpon

Invest in a bit of bulk

There are spreads on the dex at least for reg G iirc

The only oger that often runs Max Max is rockpon

Because Sturdy

But thats some minor stuff good team overall

[humble lichen]

Otherwise it's a metamancing spread

[tough sleet]

i was doing my own calcs and i feel like waterpon survives most of the threats

[sleek laurel]

Does it

?

[tough sleet]

like specs miraidon and lando sludge bomb even w life orb mac SpA

[sleek laurel]

If you find the spread works then its by no means mandatory

[humble lichen]

Pre or post tera

[tough sleet]

pre

[humble lichen]

Not bad

[sleek laurel]

Holy

[tough sleet]

but i havent playtested yet so idk for sure

[sleek laurel]

I did not know that

No way it lives specs drift

No chance

It doesn't, I think you accidentally calced +1 spdef

[tough sleet]

oh i calced in lvl 100 😭

[sleek laurel]

LOL

Happens to all of us

[tough sleet]

ok i have to look at it again

[sleek laurel]

Go for it

But the team is rlly good

[tough sleet]

im trynna make a team that you just cant kill

so

i need to fix waterpon 😭

ok so i know how to fix waterpon its to drop waterpon and go rillaboom electric terrain is just too strong

here's the changes https://pokepast.es/5fdf21b03c767d17

it might ping again so srry abt that

[sleek laurel]

Looks semi perfect

And it clearly didnt ping again cause I'm so late LOL

[tough sleet]

ive been playing with it some more