VGC Rates

[dense nebula]

Ok

[south token]

ye

isnt better a fast taunt user?

[sleek laurel]

I've seen Taunt Chien-Pao before too

it's just the lack of reliable Dark-type STAB is often very hurtful

but if you can handle yourself without it then you can keep the team as is

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/3af7ca312bc73306

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[humble lichen]

Ah

[jovial creek]

I think you overcooked here

Cir kyogre has the potential to be good but i dont think thats the way

[humble lichen]

I cast trick room

[reef bough]

Oh

[jovial creek]

Something like cir kyoge rilla roaring moon is probably more consistent

[humble lichen]

Max HP max Attack Ceruledge is... Definitely niche

[reef bough]

its my first time making an actual team

🥰

[reef bough]

I see

[humble lichen]

It's not complete dog shit but it doesn't combine with rain

[reef bough]

Should I replace Kyogre and Ceruledge and make Cir dominate

[jovial creek]

Wdym

Kyogre is fine

You can change it to mystic water

But it's fine

[humble lichen]

If you REALLY want a Kyogre replacement, maybe Lunala/Necrozma DW?

I heard the Power Herb set is good in TR

[reef bough]

To be honest I just want a team that uses porygon2

Lunala sounds good tho

[jovial creek]

I think that makes the team way different

Kyogre cir can play a pretty good tailroom

[reef bough]

Where do I get tailwind tho?

[jovial creek]

Roaring moon

It's good synergy with both

[reef bough]

Who do I replace

Ceruledge?

I havent used Ceruledge in any battle ive done actually

[jovial creek]

I would change

Ceru hands and amoon i think

Hands can be a rillaboom because right now mirai smokes you

[humble lichen]

I'm not much of a Trick Room player so I don't really know what to replace with

[jovial creek]

Amoonguss maybe becomes a scarf urshifu as a secondary calyrex-s answer

And then ceruledge to the afformentined roaring moon

[reef bough]

Ok

Hold up

[jovial creek]

Pory should still fit

[humble lichen]

Urshifu in TR? Interesting

[reef bough]

What builds do they need tho

[humble lichen]

Tera Blast Normal on Porygon doesn't seem that good or a choice

[reef bough]

I agree

Hmm whats a u turn move pory gets

[humble lichen]

Maybe change the Tera to Ghost to avoid Fake out or Dark to avoid Pranksters Taunt

[reef bough]

Should I replace tera with Sunny Day

For rmoon if Im not using kyogre

[humble lichen]

Prankster Tornadus with Sunny Day sounds like a good idea

[reef bough]

Who goes bye bye

[humble lichen]

If Kyogre is off the team

If Kyogre is off the team

[reef bough]

Ah, so 2 mode team

Tailroom

[humble lichen]

Ceruledge

[reef bough]

Its gone

Its currently
Porygon
Shifu
Rilla
Cir
Tornadus
Roar

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/b4415f5a68a27ab9

Could maybe go splash plate shifu?

[humble lichen]

You need a second restricted

[reef bough]

no evs for rilla ursh and roar

wait

They actually dont use their ev?

[humble lichen]

They do

EV investment is important

[jovial creek]

Yeah i didn't do it yet

[reef bough]

okok

[jovial creek]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/

Look here

[reef bough]

pokedex?

[jovial creek]

Click on the mons

[reef bough]

OHH

[humble lichen]

You can use the Find Page feature in the Dex in case you need to find a specific poke

[reef bough]

So is this correct?

https://pokepast.es/e4136d92ad827abe

[jovial creek]

Don't run 0 speed kyogre

Did you actually look at the format

For the set

[reef bough]

no

[humble lichen]

No breakpoint metamancing EV spreads

Somehow

It's nearly all 252/252/4

[reef bough]

i meannn

[jovial creek]

You should

It looks like those are for singles

[reef bough]

i can dedicate my whole life guaranteeing I dont die to a Tera Ghost Sucker Punch from Origin Giratina

I’m going to remove some from hp

Im going to try this team rq

[sleek laurel]

that's only for singles

unless i misunderstood what you said

but almost every VGC mon has a specialized EV spread

unless sash

or sturdy yadda yadda

(exceptions apply but you get it)

[pseudo light]

Iron Bundle @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature

• Chilling Water
• Ice Spinner
• Protect
• Acrobatics

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Stomping Tantrum
• Cross Chop
• Darkest Lariat
• Shadow Claw

Groudon @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 100 HP / 140 Atk / 180 Def / 84 SpD
Relaxed Nature

• Earthquake
• Rock Blast
• Hammer Arm
• High Horsepower

Chandelure @ Choice Specs
Ability: Infiltrator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Fire Blast
• Trick Room
• Psychic

Hitmonchan (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Iron Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 44 Atk / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature

• Bullet Punch
• Low Kick
• Swords Dance
• Protect

Snorlax @ Room Service
Ability: Thick Fat
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Brave Nature

• Body Slam
• Earthquake
• Rest
• Surf

is this any good?

[burnt surge]

!shareteams

!shareteam

[drifting onyx]

Pokémon Showdown's team database is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply save your team to Showdown's database and you can share your team offsite by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team, scroll to the bottom of the team, untick the checkbox to make your team public, and press the button that says Upload to Showdown database.

You can then take the link to your team and share that link to share the team with other people.

[pseudo light]

oh im sorry. i had no idea this existed

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1100302

[burnt surge]

https://psim.us/t/1100302

that makes it so that we can get it without having to load up PS

[burnt surge]

Anyway, I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable about VGC, but this team has a bunch of Pokemon that are either unviable or have suboptimal sets

[shadow coral]

Rate my BSS Regulation I build it’s been a minute since I’ve played any help would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/a87079a11d9e9766

[broken shuttle]

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060690402711183370

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/73f6a6102311c7d9

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef bough]

Iron Hands’ evs are
212 Hp
252 Atk
44 hp

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/d9edb84d9b03e722

[lunar wedge]

https://pokepast.es/ef899c0a355bfbdb
Feeling pretty good about this one- thought I never find myself wanting to use torcoal

[warped citrus]

https://pokepast.es/c968ca83f6eca06d does this team have potential this is the second revision of the team the first was this https://pokepast.es/2424c3abb043730f

[sleek laurel]

I'll get to all of this when I arrive at cramschool

Unless someone does it first

[warped citrus]

👍
Thanks very much

[reef bough]

Thanks

[sleek laurel]

Ok my phone is a little laggy but lemme get working now

[sleek laurel]

You only have one Restricted Pokémon, your fundamentals seem solid but building a team in VGC requires starting off with your restricted core and building from there

I would pick a second Restricted, build the team again with it in mind and then come back because a new Restricted really changes a kot

Most of the mons here are fine on their own but some are also not synergistic (Miraidon + Amoonguss for example) too so starting off with the core is probably better

Feel free to post again if you do that lol

[reef bough]

What restricted would you suggest? 😄

[sleek laurel]

It depends on the way you want your team to work

Calyrex-I is the best Miraidon partner, second best option is Lunala (in terms of viability)

Others like Zamazenta or even Groudon are there but from each to the other, the team changes a ton

[sleek laurel]

Are you looking for a 6th Pokémon? You only have 5 so far but these 5 are perfect

[reef bough]

Lunala seems good, if I would pick Calyrex I, it’ll need more support, so maybe focusing on mirai

[sleek laurel]

Support Lunala + Miraidon is great yea

It won a regional in fact

[reef bough]

I don’t know how to build Lunala though, lol

[sleek laurel]

I can help with that, just lemme finish the to-do ratings because that's faster lol

[reef bough]

no worries

[sleek laurel]

Looks good, I would do Ursaluna > Kingambit and either lead Smeargle or something that doesn't rely as much on Trick Room > Torkoal

Another option is change Koraidon out

Because this looks very committed to HardRoom with a Koraidon

In fact, this option looks better

Because you already have every HardRoom component

[lunar wedge]

Terapagos?

[sleek laurel]

This looks 90% perfect but there are some things I'll mention soon

[sleek laurel]

For HardRoom

I recommend Lunala or Necrozma-DW

(The Lunala Necrozma)

[warped citrus]

👍

[sleek laurel]

I like DW more for HardRoom since its stronger and slower

Lunala is better in every other structure but DW shines in HardRoom

Lemme get a set for you real quick

[reef bough]

Heya, I made a build for Lunala, but not sure if it’ll work

Lunala @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Shield
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Calm Nature

• Helping Hand
• Protect
• Light Screen
• Reflect

[sleek laurel]

You need some offense, this isn't it

I'll get you the set in a minute

[reef bough]

Kk

[stoic silo]

https://pokepast.es/e10e0020b1457aaf
Built a Balance

[reef bough]

lol i built a random team while I was gone

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/31f0dbe03b5eac68

Got you the proper sets and Ursaluna swap

Also, switched Amoonguss out into Smeargle because HardRoom is about killing them before they kill you and Smeargle + Calyrex-I is often your best lead

Also

[sleek laurel]

Lunala @ Electric Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 180 HP / 140 Def / 68 SpA / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Modest Nature

• Moongeist Beam
• Moonblast
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/a632880f2f59a904

(I tried making a team that counters every type, just not sure if its an actual team ir not)

[sleek laurel]

Gotcha

[reef bough]

Thanks!

[sleek laurel]

Gl goat, build the team and come back here I'll be glad to give a hand lol

Alright last one

[reef bough]

okay !

[sleek laurel]

Oh sorry didnt see yours

Will get to you after Adam

There were 5 people in line today 😭

[sleek laurel]

Leftovers on Kyogre, Focus Sash or Life Orb on Eleki (if you go Focus Sash, use Covert Cloak Tornadus) + you can try Protect in one of the slots

Presumably over Thunder Cage

Assault Vest doesn't help Eleki with the current Power level of the game

I'm not a fan of the Wellspring here, you have enough Water-type offensive presence and you can make better use of other support-offensive mons like Rillaboom

Which also provides you Terrain control and a Miraidon check

[reef bough]

Modding vgc should be a real time job

[sleek laurel]

TRUE

I agree

[warped citrus]

Ok

[warped citrus]

I see ok

[sleek laurel]

Also, Tera Grass on Kyogre and, if you keep Focus Sash on Tornadus, Tera Ghost on it (if you go Cloak, keep Dark)

[sleek laurel]

This also frees the AV for Rillaboom which actually makes great use of it

Other than that it looks perfect

[warped citrus]

Ok i copied the worng kyogre

[sleek laurel]

Don't worry lol

[warped citrus]

Ok thanks for your help

[reef bough]

Anyways I’m back and built Lunala, now when I use this team I (before) started with Gholdengo Iron Hands/Fluttermane, then when I lowered some opponent’s mons Hp I go to Miraidon + Tusk/Flutter, should I change my leads and how I pick my mon wisely? Im still pretty bad at type matchups

[sleek laurel]

And again, the eternal "Ice Beam vs Thunder" debate of Kyogre remains there

Both are viable

[lunar wedge]

F tier team: necrozma DW isn't shiny

[warped citrus]

Ya

[sleek laurel]

Show the full team and tell me how it goes lol

[sleek laurel]

LMAO

Sorry man I overlooked that

[warped citrus]

Agreed

[sleek laurel]

Pretend this never happened

[reef bough]

Want a replay?

[sleek laurel]

Rater's mistake

[sleek laurel]

Just the pokepaste

"Tell me how it goes" was my ADHD making me type nonsense

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/0f394b2c1972bea8

[sleek laurel]

I sometimes doze off and add in an unnecessary complement to my sentence

Happens

LOL

[warped citrus]

I am going to make the adjustments

[sleek laurel]

Some mons here need to be changed or change sets

[warped citrus]

See you guys later

[sleek laurel]

Good luck

[reef bough]

I see

[sleek laurel]

It might take a little while and I'm on a time crunch rn

I'll get an essay done asap

The core looks great

[reef bough]

Take your time, no rush😌

[sleek laurel]

But the specifics need changing

Bet ty, I'll try to get it done within an hour

[reef bough]

Yeah thats what I dont excel at, lol

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[reef bough]

Ok, Ill try to battle this team(fornow) and see how it goes

[sleek laurel]

Its not done yet but gl

[reef bough]

Ah, right

[sleek laurel]

Just a quick snippet, the two ghosts can be swapped by Chi-Yu and Ursaluna, which offer similar roles in more synergic ways with the team: Iron Hands needs a set revamp, Miraidon needs a set revamp, and I really like the idea of Tusk here but Treads does what it does in a far better version with Miraidon

The Choice Band Ground-type mon was a great call but you picked the wrong Donphan LOL

Though technically with this one you don't necessarily need Ursaluna either

[reef bough]

loll

[sleek laurel]

You can use one or the other and then have either Urshifu or a Tailwind setter lets

[reef bough]

I also realized I don’t have speed control

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[reef bough]

Is that necessary though

[sleek laurel]

Yea I would say

Like

You have TR on Lunala

But I would still

Do a Tailwind mon

Over either Treads or Ursa

[reef bough]

Like 2 modes

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Exactly

Your fundamentals are solid really

And you had good ideas all around

Lemme put the full team in a paste rq

Im on a slight time crunch but will do this as quick as I can

[reef bough]

Okay👍

vgc helpers shud be praised🙏🙏

[sleek laurel]

Thanks LOL

[reef bough]

Always just in time whenever I get back lol

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/ea98ddf3b81c0cbc

Some notes:

• Chi-Yu's Beads of Ruin serves a similar purpose to the Fake Tears Flutter Mane, while also giving you Fire-type offense and not locking you into Fake Tears for support

• Treads was changed to Life Orb to fit Protect and because you already have two Choiced mons

• Your Miraidon will likely lose Speed ties to most other Miraidon, but this is fine because you have both forms of Speed control. It does make it a little hard to pilot, so if you think you need to win Turn 1 Speed Ties, run Max Speed Timid

• Overall this team is a little difficult to pilot due to the lack of Protect on most stuff, it might take a bit for you to get the hangs of it, but ping me if you have any questions

Pokémon is not entirely theory tho but I can give you some tips

[reef bough]

Wait thats actually crazy, I would have never find out that an ability is (almost slightly) the same as Fake Tears

[sleek laurel]

Also, this Iron Hands is ever so slightly weaker than usual because by running Brave you can fit more HP, therefore lower Defense and lower Attack without losing the Quark Drive boost, it's a bit of a complicated math but that's the concept, if you want a bit more Attack take it off of HP

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

It's a lower buff

[reef bough]

+1 moveslot

Ill take it

[sleek laurel]

But it's consistent, doesn't take a turn

Gives you an extra moveslot

Doesn't choice lock you

What else? lmao

Ok I gotta dip now

[reef bough]

Thank you!!

[sleek laurel]

Already 9 minutes late LOL

No problem

[reef bough]

oop goodluck!! Use extreme speed

🤍

[sleek laurel]

@stoic silo sorry for leaving, I didn't skip you, I WILL get to you in 50 minutes

I just can't stick around rn

Thanks chat and peace

[stoic silo]

It’s ok I have badminton class lol

[stoic silo]

I feel like replacing torn with farig

[sleek laurel]

I agree, or maybe Indeedee-F

Also am here now

The team looks great but I would do Indeedee-F over Torn and Life Orb + Close Combat on Koraidon

Also, I am a vehement Wood Hammer Cornerstone hater but that's not to say it's unviable, just keep an eye out for other Grass-type moves especially since Cornerstone's main selling point is Sturdy-backed redirection alongside good individual damage

[stoic silo]

(I also am a wood hammer hater)

[lunar wedge]

Wood hammer is just grass flare bltiz which is also just fire brave bird

[stoic silo]

which is also flying double edge which is also normal volt tackle

[reef bough]

Heya, the only I’m having is mostly losing because I picked the wrong pokemon—lol😭 Type weakness and advantage is the biggest disadvantage I have right now, considering I havent memorized the type chart, I only know some

Im THIS close to naming my pokemon their weaknesses

[reef bough]

Update: I did

[warped citrus]

Yo is this Rillaboom set good?
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 150 Atk / 42 Def / 52 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• U-turn
• Wood Hammer
• Protect

[stoic silo]

prot on av?

cuz replace prot with high horsepowr

[tribal void]

replace protect with grassy glide

high horsepower

's

coverage is mid and doesn't do enough damage

also im pretty sure 42 def and 150 attack is unoptimal as some evs are wasted here

44 defense is when the next ev stat up happens

and 156 for attack

[warped citrus]

I sometimes forget

[warped citrus]

The defense i can lower it to 0 but the s.def not really

Sorry for the late reply

[reef bough]

Hey uhh @sleek laurel I’m kind of having troubles picking the right pokemon in a match—like wanting to counter their team or something like that

[warped citrus]

This better
Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 188 Atk / 56 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• U-turn
• Wood Hammer
• High Horsepower

[warped citrus]

That happens to me alot

[warped citrus]

Read out the opposite team sheet then try to predict who they will start in the lead then choose the best pokemon to counter them and choose the other 2 on predicting who he will bring in the back or if you have a pokemon who is good against multiple of his use it
Be proud wolfeyvGC i have learned from you

That's what i think/do

[reef bough]

What team sheet😭

[warped citrus]

Your opponents pokemon items and moves

[reef bough]

Ik what it is, where do you see it?

I am also a big fan of Wolfey

[warped citrus]

Wolfy fans unite

[jovial creek]

https://youtu.be/Php2APlAI3I?si=EEeKuPUSH7WyICkX

Oops

[warped citrus]

In the chat

[jovial creek]

@reef bough watch this video

And make sure to play on bo3 ladder

[reef bough]

I am, actually playing bo3

Thank you

[reef bough]

Too bad Im already lost on the first minute of the video🤡

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[reef bough]

I dont know/memorized my type advantage/disadvantage

[jovial creek]

Do you know most of it?

[reef bough]

I have this on my notes (I play smogon on my other phone then look at this sheet) but if the opponents team has an obvious one type team ill just use the 4 that resist it

I also have the nicknames of my pokemon as their weakness

It makes me less slower on picking pokemon

But Im still slow

[jovial creek]

You can use /weak and then the pokemon name to see what they are strong against/weak to

[reef bough]

I did, thats how I made my notes xd

[jovial creek]

There are also visualizations of the type chart online if that helps you more

[reef bough]

Where?

[reef bough]

The top 1 problem I have is picking slowly on which pokemon I pick

i overthink too much and they just skip me😍👍

[jovial creek]

That video i sent+just playing more will help

[reef bough]

Okayy

[reef bough]

Im saving this btw

So I dont have to go to Chatgpt and ask “gouging fire weakness”

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

Wood Hammer is good on like any other physical Grass-type mon except Tealpon but on Cornerstone its

[reef bough]

Question, how do yall think of all the components so fast?(who has the faster fake out, whos stronger whos weak etc)

[sleek laurel]

It's called

6 years of competitive experience

9 years of Pokémon experience

👍

[reef bough]

I see

[jovial creek]

Play the game

A lot of mons is experience

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[reef bough]

7 years of Pokemon experience and 5 days of competetive experience

(I didnt play any pokemon game until this year)

[warped citrus]

Ahm
Ignored

[jovial creek]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Level: 50
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 244 HP / 116 Atk / 20 Def / 76 SpD / 52 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Fake Out

Run this

[reef bough]

@sleek laurel

[jovial creek]

What

[reef bough]

Which 2 pokemon were/are the most dominant in the team you gave?

[jovial creek]

Send team

[reef bough]

Wait

https://pokepast.es/8916d7ac805ddac7

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[reef bough]

OH

MY

💀

sorry for ping yall

[jovial creek]

Mirai and lunala are the big boys

If their team is pretty fast, like high base speeds and tailwind then you can use iron hands and trick room

Mirai's job is to click volt switch basically

[reef bough]

I see

[sleek laurel]

Wait

[jovial creek]

And do a bunch of damage

[sleek laurel]

I just realized

I misimput

[reef bough]

?

[sleek laurel]

Earth Power into the Treads

That's supposed to be Earthquake

[reef bough]

Lol its fine you were rushing

[sleek laurel]

Thank you mobile showdown

LOL

[reef bough]

I was questioning “why does this yt guy use earthquake”

[sleek laurel]

No that was literally

Mobile showdown at 8 am

LMAO

[reef bough]

Hey atleast I still won with it

[warped citrus]

But is the attack to low and also with Grassy glide i have to no coverage so isn't high horse power better?

[jovial creek]

The Attack isn't low

[reef bough]

I just BADLY need to think fast 😄

[sleek laurel]

Peak

[jovial creek]

You have a good base attack stat with rillaboom

[reef bough]

I think I saved some

Let me check

[sleek laurel]

I also booted up Scarfed Protect Chi-Yu today earlier

[jovial creek]

And Grassy Terrain boost

[sleek laurel]

And still won

👍

[jovial creek]

The coverage part you can use a teammate for

[sleek laurel]

Also yes

Like

[jovial creek]

Remember, vgc isn't a solo game

[reef bough]

This team automatically wins against fire teams

[sleek laurel]

Also one thing is that

A neutral High Horsepower

Is outdamaged

By a resisted Wood Hammer

In Grassy Terrain

[reef bough]

Stall wanna see my matches with the team?

[warped citrus]

👍

[warped citrus]

Ok

Thanks for your help you 2

[reef bough]

Im going to battle if that vid helped me

[jovial creek]

This doesn't work

Click save replay next time

[reef bough]

oh

[jovial creek]

And then copy the link

[reef bough]

I see

[pseudo light]

Oh.

[prisma nest]

hello

im new to this hobby

i wanted to know how this would be as a trick room team

[warped citrus]

Look bro i am not really a expert but wide lense on groundon isn't doing you any good

Assault Vest would be better but you have to get Rid of protect

Or something the boosts fire type moves flame plate or for ground earth plate but assault Vest is overall the best option

Also focus sash is good but maybe phychic seed would be better because the opponent might double to you and extra s.def would help with that if they are using s.atackers but focus sash still could be good choose what you like more

Download is a better ability for Porygon2

I see your team lacks speed that's ok but it could leave you in a bad position if you don't have trick room

Shadow sneak isn't really good i would change it for shadow claw

Maybe instead of leftovers on Ursulana maybe throat spray it it depends on how you use him but if you use throat spray if your not in danger and you can do good damage it's always better to use hyper voice first then anything else so you can get the extra boost

I still fear that your team doesn't have anything that's fast

So i would change a one of the pokemon for a faster one probably Mimikyu

Also you don't need a minus speed nature on everything

For Mimikyu and groudon i would change it's nature to adamant (plus attack minus s.Ataack) but if you don't want to change groudon so you will be always faster vs other groudon that's understandable but i think changing Mimikyu wouldn't hurt since anyways i don't see anyone using it

[warped citrus]

If your gonna keep Mimikyu i think having safety goggles would be better but it depends on the amount of amongus in the meta but also in trick room amongus will have a massive advantage so i think this would be the play so you can have a pokemon that can get rid of it but i still don't think Mimikyu will be able to do that on its own i think changing it is the better choice but wait for someone else's opinion on this

[warped citrus]

Also stone edge on groudon is a missing wish trust me you might lose a match because you missed
remember if it's not 100% accurate it's 50% accurate
Mandjtv

I would probably replace it with high Horsepower

I am not that good at tera or(i am to lazy to try different ones to see whose the best) ivs (i am not the best at ivs but the i would recommend this https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/ it's a pokemon damage calculater so you can make your own ivs depending on what you want to do with the pokemon)

Have a good day i hope this helps(if you read it😅)

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/5c667dfcb85aff07

Goal: Bulky Trick Room setter then sweep, and if Im against Tailwind, go to anti Tailwind setter mode

[warped citrus]

Bro make 2 teams a day(that's me level)

[warped citrus]

Fake out on indeedee-f is not that good because psychic terrain prevents fake out and indeedy summons the psychic train with her ability so fake out is not really a good on her(trust me i am speaking from past experiences

[reef bough]

Ill change her to clefairy dw

[warped citrus]

👍

[ripe turret]

this is pretty bad to be completely honest

your item choices are pretty bad as well as your teras and all of your stats are min maxed which is usually bad

(I will give suggestions later cuz I’m in class rn)

[reef bough]

GOODLUCK ON QUIZ

[warped citrus]

Ya

[warped citrus]

ivs i am not the best at ivs but the i would recommend this https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/ it's a pokemon damage calculater so you can make your own ivs depending on what you want to do with the pokemon

[reef bough]

Well…i uh am on the ladder of 1000-1100 so maybe not need specific ivs right now unless op players are making their teams the same time im battling

[warped citrus]

👍

Amongus's item is good but i prefer Sitrus Berry but it's ok if you keep it as it is but i myself don't see many taunts

[reef bough]

Im scared

[warped citrus]

Trea grass and safety goggles are to much

[warped citrus]

?

[reef bough]

Of taunt

Thundurus

[reef bough]

Oh on where

[warped citrus]

O

[warped citrus]

Thunderous i haven't seen him in the 1 year of playing

[warped citrus]

Calyrex

[reef bough]

Thanks

[warped citrus]

If your gonna change the item probably make it life orb

[warped citrus]

Your welcome

I wonder why indeedee-f

[warped citrus]

O forgot

If your going for a defensive Tera on flutter mane probably change the item to booster energy but if you don't want to it's fine but if you will change it choose between the stach or life orb on Carlx

[reef bough]

Okayy, thank you for the tip

[warped citrus]

Your welcome

I got to go now see ya

[warped citrus]

Hey if anyone's got free time could he/she tell me what i did wrong here https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2368191893

[jovial creek]

This team doesn't look very good, I'd recommend taking a team that's proven to be good before you try to build your own

[steep mesa]

yeah]

forgot to put that on the post

[broken shuttle]

would recommend flutter mane

helps your fast mode a lot

basically pulls the whole team together

i would recommend sash

[sleek laurel]

Damn I had a textwriting class and skipped this

Gephicka got it first

Insane

[broken shuttle]

i gotchu gang

[sleek laurel]

Goatery

On a side note @lunar wedge I know I'm giga late but it wasn't until I checked your copypasted team again in my builder that I realized I copypasted the Calyrex-I moveset and item

Use the standard SmogDex set

That one doesn't work, my mistake for skimming over it lolol

Happens when you have 5 people in line for rmts while also going to school LMAO

[prisma nest]

oh thanks for the advice ( i did read )

[prisma nest]

hmnn ok

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/63ce565cfbb8f9c0

[drifting onyx]

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[lunar wedge]

P sure ndm is fringe to bad, also indeedee doesn't work that well with incineroar since psychic terrain blocks fake out, it's not earth shattered but having one fewer move to use isn't great

[reef bough]

I dont use incin with indee2 thoughh

[sleek laurel]

Might leave this one to someone who understands NDM better

Don't know if it's viable or not anymore after the one t32 milwaukee guy LOL

[sleek laurel]

Btw this is like

True but not quite as you said yourself

It's antisynergic but not unviable

Another thing I don't really like is Incin + Chi-Yu in one team, especially Flare Blitz Incin

But again I don't understand the NDM comps all that well (there's like one guy who made it work anyway) so I'ma wait for the others this time LOL

[reef bough]

Well

I made a new team

Since that didnt quite work

Well not made

Copied

[tough sleet]

https://pokepast.es/c357582423d253c2 kyogre and zacian

[humble lichen]

Swordfish huh

[jovial creek]

I like the kyogre zacian torn and incin mostly but I don't think arch or greninja are good

gren could be a scarf urshifu to help with terapagos

arch should probably be a rillaboom because as of right now you have a team that just loses to electro drift

and then give kyogre ice beam and protect over thunder and hydro pump

[prisma nest]

Hello everyone after reading some of yours advice i changed some things and now here it is

would this be viable?

im using this currently and my win rate is around 70%

[broken shuttle]

!pokepaste

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[broken shuttle]

keep this in mind in the future !

[broken shuttle]

not really unfortunately

[prisma nest]

oh ok

[prisma nest]

any pointers specificly?

[broken shuttle]

yes sorry

your team is super weak to intimidate

both groudon & caly are physical attackers but neither are holdinh the clear amulet that would allow them to be immune to it

also, you’re using two unviable mons in the form of toxapex & (kind of) mimikyu

although realistically mimikyu is probably usable

the team overall just really lacks synergy and coherence

[prisma nest]

hmm ok

i will keep it in mind

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/4d706514670d4613 should i change giratina o?

cuz

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[broken shuttle]

yes

only thing is

OH

[south token]

every time i face smth like zamazenta i get struggled

[broken shuttle]

duh

just make it calyrex-s

does the same thing but better

[south token]

a setup caly or what

[broken shuttle]

you could actually make it miraidon asw

[broken shuttle]

you could

or sash wisp/encore

[south token]

asw?

[broken shuttle]

as well

[south token]

it could be

but a miraidon tera fairy?

[broken shuttle]

ye probably

electric is fine if u wanna test AV

[south token]

i alr have a av user

[broken shuttle]

but i think u probably want the raw power from specs here

[broken shuttle]

sure but incin is not a mon that requires av

it’s not a hands or rilpa

[south token]

whats better then

a caly s sash or a miraidon av

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/ebc6cdca1823cba7 swordfish uhhh ive been kind of weirded out by swordfish mirror but maybe that has more to do with skill than anything. Anything i could change or improve on?

[jovial creek]

How has the miraidon mu been

[tribal void]

kind of iffy imo

esp screens

[broken shuttle]

you’d have to test

[broken shuttle]

i’ve tested stuff like this i prefer rilla over amoon

usually

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna say that

Currently it feels like Zacian-C is like

Giga overloaded in taking on Miraidon

And if it drops then gg nqa

[tribal void]

i have had landoI over ursh before

but that feels pretty bad into pagos imo

[broken shuttle]

lando i isn’t great on kyo imo

[tribal void]

landoI was pretty good at pressuring zama and mirai under twind imo

[broken shuttle]

but ye rilla is good on these kinda teams

[tribal void]

but like itr felt a bit iffy outside of those

[broken shuttle]

definitely think u need helmet amoon if u keep that version

super weak to opposing ursh in tw

[tribal void]

thats also something that i was actually struggling with ngl

banded ursh kind of abuses my rain

[broken shuttle]

something you could test is like

cm ogre

u would just need to be very proactive about forcing zama tera

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/2a98881b4d23a548 would a cm set look like this or would there be other mon changes

trying to base it off the cm ogre teams in reg g is awkward since amoong is there and there a second restricted here

[broken shuttle]

should work

would test & see how it feels ofc

there’s a regional t8 team w. hands>rilla & offensive ogre u could also try if cm ogre does not work

[reef bough]

https://pokepast.es/d2b56925195b49be

[tough sleet]

i did switch to ice beam and i see what you mean with arch

[ripe turret]

this team has a lot of problems
first of all some of your move choices are really bad (night shade dengo, eterrain and protect on AV mirai)
replace shade with shadow ball and probably snarl and volt switch with the two aforementioned moves on mirai
Secondly your teras on your first four mons are suboptimal
dengo only wants Tera steel if you’re running a specs set or something, otherwise especially with the leftovers setup set you’re running it needs a defensive tera
miraidon probably wants tera electric just to boost its moves
calyrex probably wants a different tera like dark or water just because you already have miraidon to block spore
and bundle should run ghost to block fake out/fighting moves seeing as it probably won’t be living much more with a defensive tera anyway
third of all incineroar is literally arcanine but better
and fourth of all your EV spreads are all minmaxed which is usually not good, I would suggest looking on the smogdex and take the most common spreads from there for your mons

[ripe turret]

(discord ate my reply so I’m going to do it here)

[reef bough]

thanks! Appreciated

[ripe turret]

👍

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/b2dcc15832540cac

How is this team

[broken shuttle]

a few minor ev & moveset adjustments

• your miraidon spread is weird & all over the place, only specific multiples yield evs & aside from speed all of your evs do not yield stats, just go 252/252 on miraidon
• on the other hand, you should not just go 252/252 for groudon as you actually need it to take hits. use this spread:
  Groudon @ Clear Amulet
  Ability: Drought
  Level: 50
  Tera Type: Fire
  EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 28 Def / 36 SpD / 116 Spe
  Adamant Nature
• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• High Horsepower
• Protect

• go psychic>imprison on Farigaraf, your farigaraf is super passive right now and imprison isn't great, alternatively you could drop helping hand for psychic
• tera grass on incineroar is unnecessary here, you already get sun up against Urshifu & block spore w. electric terrain. go for tera water or tera ghost
• the whims spread isn't optimized, you don't necessarily need max bulk or speed and since you're the covert cloak tera dark is just better. use this whims:
  Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
  Ability: Prankster
  Level: 50
  Tera Type: Dark
  EVs: 236 HP / 164 SpD / 108 Spe
  Timid Nature
  IVs: 0 Atk
• Moonblast
• Tailwind
• Light Screen
• Encore

[cinder glacier]

So flutter mane is good

[broken shuttle]

yes, if you find bulky isn't working for you swap to focus sash

you could also try tera normal or grass depending on what matchups you find you're struggling in

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/b8a1ff6b19fccefa

(Ik swordfish is not the best, but its fun so i use it i rather use a good but not overpowered pair then be on of the 34% of people that use caly-s)

Zacian-c: Even after the nerfs he got this gen i feel like he is still good, its no calyrex or miraidon but good, behemoth blade hits caly-I for suppereffective along with terrastalized miraidon (if theyre kne of the 75% that use tera-fairy) and any fairy mon. Play rough forces koraidon to terrastalize and it can be paired with kyogre if rain is up, if he doesnt terrastalize play rough if he does water spout/origin pulse. Sacred sword to hit steel and fire, also 2hkos zamazenta-c if i have the attack boost. Tera ghost vs fake out and zamazenta-c, been more useful more times than tera-fairy.

Kyogre: standard no much explanation, koraidon counter also, 12 speed evs to outspeed caly-s in tailwind.

Tornadus: speed control, taunt, manual rain dance setter in case a sun setter switches in if i predict i just click rain dance, also bleakwind storm

Urshifu-s: urshifu. (Also good damage to non-terrastalized miraidon wjth close combst, and OHKOS caly-s if rain or tera-water)

Amoonguss: (4 speed evs to outspeed other amoonguss at least mostly)

Thundurus: Quick note im still experimenting with 6th partner, first farigirsf, then incinerosr, now for around a week thundurus, as much as its fallen off, it prevents TR with taunt, halves miraidons and caly-s sp atk, and can then combo miraidon with swagger also confusing it, and has speed control, also im most likely switching to focus sash

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[unborn hull]

OH ALSO FORGOT TO GIVE A TERA TO THUNDURUS

Most likely tera dark

[random wagon]

• I don’t really think Tera Ghost on Zacian-C for a couple of reasons; big one being your now super scary Calyrex-S matchup. If you don’t like Fake Out that much I suggest just using Protect or dropping something for Substitute. Avoding Zamazenta-C Body Press also isn’t super necessary since you don’t use Zacian-C to break Zamazenta-C generally. Good replacements over Tera Ghost include Tera Grass (Miraidon + Spore immunity), Tera Water (beats Koraidon and Kyogre better), or Tera Fairy (Tera Stellar is also pretty funny!)

[unborn hull]

I dont have to tera ghost if theres a caly-s tho, zacian does 2hko zamazenta if it has the atk boost and body press is kind of zamazentas only response as heavy slam doesnt do much

[random wagon]

• I would probably invest in Speed instead of bulk on Kyogre, just better overall (Note: more HP doesn’t equate to stronger Water Spouts)
• Tornadus looks good!
• I think here is a good place to run Tera Ghost on Urshifu-R, since you will have Rain up often so the damage boost from Tera Water isn’t super necessary. Tera Grass is also nice to beat out Amoonguss if you fine trouble with that.

[unborn hull]

Tera ghost urshifu-r?

[random wagon]

• I highly recommend putting Pollen Puff over Protect or Sludge Bomb on Amoonguss, since it heals Kyogre for stronger Water Spouts.

[random wagon]

yes

[unborn hull]

Kyogres speed is awkard tho, with good speed investment it doesnt help it on most matchups normally they still outspeed

[unborn hull]

Oh yeah didnt think of that, i mainly put it because before i didnt have tornadus (mistake by me) so i put sludge bomb and when i putted tornadus i forgot to change it

[random wagon]

I think you should drop Thundurus for Landorus-I, since right now, Zamazenta-C is an issue. It also gets Sandsear 100% acc in rain which is neat and helps with Miraidon a bit more

[unborn hull]

Also surprise you havent talked about thundurus

The instnst i say it lol

[random wagon]

Most Zamazenta-C use Behemoth Bash and can just Tera in front of Sacred Sword; they are also paired with Calyrex-S.

[unborn hull]

My miraidon matchup is good, however yeah zamazenta has been an issue

[unborn hull]

Dont must run wide guard

[random wagon]

i think you should at least aim to outrun Lunala

[unborn hull]

• Body Press
• Wide Guard
• Protect
• Heavy Slam

[random wagon]

Most run BBash over Heavy Slam

[unborn hull]

Oh yeah probably

Oh ok

Also quick question, is thundurus good in the team in general (nit saying that it csnt be replaced just asking if its ok)

If its better replaced ok just curious if its good

[random wagon]

Thundurus is alright but hard to make work IMO

[unborn hull]

Its helped me greatly, it single handedly won me a game and grestly helped me on another, it was a caly-i/mirai team i was playing so i just kept lowering miraidons sp atk and confusing it while confusing caky i snd zacian OHKOs it

But if landorus-i is better ill change

[random wagon]

i would test Lando-I but if you like Thundy more then you can switch back

[unborn hull]

Ok thx for the help

[sonic wind]

Hey I've been playing swordfish, I think it wants to be an aggressive style and imo your team is a bit too slow

[unborn hull]

tornadus

[sonic wind]

Not speed wise, playstyle wise

[unborn hull]

Oh

Why you say so?

[sonic wind]

Zacian's worst match up is obviously Incineroar, Kyogre's is clearly Rillaboom
Teams like Terapagos CSR can use this Fake out cycling and make it feel like you're making 0 progress amongst the nerfs and heals. You will hardly have the time to use Amoonguss and Thundurus support imo. I've been using Farigiraf and it's so good at maintaining your momentum, I daresay priority blocking is near mandatory, especially considering how much Grimmsnarl can screw you over

Brb, happy to answer any questions and send my personal paste

[unborn hull]

I can normally position my way out of incineroar, and torns bleawind storm does good damage to rillsboom.

Also tera grass kyogre

[sonic wind]

Gets kinda tricky vs Terapagos cores

[unborn hull]

May you explain?

[sonic wind]

Tera Starstorm becomes super effective after Tera and they can cm up a lot

[unborn hull]

Oh if i terrastalize terapagos hits super effective if i dint rillaboom does

What about torns bleakwind?

[broken shuttle]

it doesn't do enough to av rilla

[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/6e5701cad27431f0 an example ig, what I'm running

[broken shuttle]

did u see what i said in cooking general btw abt that team

[unborn hull]

Ursaluna and iron hands seem off

[broken shuttle]

hands is fine there

[unborn hull]

I mean wouldnt amoonguss and urshifu just be better in general, urshidu scarf OHKOS caly-s in rain (which ive found swordfish fo have a bad matchup against), and amoonguss is well its good i dont have to explain

Also 116 atk without adamant feels weird, if theres specific calcs explain

[unborn hull]

Zacian-c

[sonic wind]

Always survive Groudon Precipice Blades and 2 Astral Barrages originally but the bulk comes clutch vs a lot of pokemon

[unborn hull]

Groudon isnt common, and you could just run tera normal

Anyways ima go play some sets

[sonic wind]

Yes but the bulk is relevant for other Pokemon as well. I think Tera Fairy + bulk gives more value than Tera Normal + atk. Here are some examples that come to mind

252 Atk Life Orb Orichalcum Pulse Koraidon Flare Blitz vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Tera-Fairy Zacian-Crowned in Sun: 160-188 (82.9 - 97.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Miraidon Volt Switch vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Tera-Fairy Zacian-Crowned in Electric Terrain: 153-181 (79.2 - 93.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
36+ Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Zacian-Crowned: 152-180 (78.7 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Terapagos-Terastal Earth Power vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 86-102 (44.5 - 52.8%) -- 17.19% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Tera-Fairy Zacian-Crowned: 120-142 (62.1 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Tera-Fairy Zacian-Crowned: 154-183 (79.7 - 94.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Lunala Moongeist Beam vs. 204 HP / 12 SpD Zacian-Crowned: 85-102 (44 - 52.8%) -- 21.48% chance to 2HKO
180+ Atk Iron Hands Wild Charge vs. 204 HP / 20 Def Zacian-Crowned: 75-88 (38.8 - 45.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[unborn hull]

Huh, ima test out your ev spread 👍 thx for the help

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/882ed5d193ecfd88

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[sullen river]

I know the team is a work in progress but I like lunala, indeedee, and ursaluna

[warped citrus]

Yo can anyone help me with my team i am having a serious problem with it

[sullen river]

I might be able to help

[warped citrus]

I struggle very much with carlxy shadow and lunala and i feel regilieke always gets koed https://pokepast.es/11336230125829d0

[sullen river]

Get a dark type

Having a dark type is almost nessicary in this meta cause of all the op psychic and ghost types

[warped citrus]

There aren't really good dark types(damaging not support) in the meta now(maybe fluttermane?)

[sullen river]

Yeah that is true

Rillaboom with knock off can kinda invalidate lunala

Cause grassy surge takes away psychic terrain so no expanding force

[warped citrus]

I don't really see lunala with expanding force

[sullen river]

What do they run?

[warped citrus]

It's Moongeist Beam

• Meteor Beam
• Wide Guard
• Trick Room and power herb

[sullen river]

Yeah so rillaboom can counter it pretty well

[warped citrus]

Mine doesn't use knock off

[sullen river]

I'm saying use knockoff

[warped citrus]

Wood Hammer

• Grassy Glide
• U-turn
• Fake Out

Ik

[sullen river]

It would hard counter lunala

[warped citrus]

I think replacing Grassy glide is the best

[sullen river]

Yeah

[warped citrus]

Ok thanks

[sullen river]

People are saying take off uturn instead

But caly s is still kinda a problem

[warped citrus]

I just had a match it was the worst

[warped citrus]

Tell me about it

[ripe turret]

chien-pao or chi-yu are two strong dark type attackers

I would 100% just replace eleki with pao

works well on this team

[warped citrus]

But what should i put them for

[warped citrus]

Hm ok

[ripe turret]

sash pao and cloak torn

[warped citrus]

What's the best moveset?

[ripe turret]

uh depends

[warped citrus]

Ok i will make one and then ask if it's good or not

[ripe turret]

depends on your preference

ok

[warped citrus]

Understood

[ripe turret]

icicle crash for a stronger ice move, ice spinner if you don’t want to miss/can remove mirai’s terrain

throat chop/crunch/sacred sword/sucker punch depending on what you want

and then protect

[warped citrus]

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 20 HP / 236 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Crunch
• Icicle Crash
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

This good?

[warped citrus]

👍

[warped citrus]

I went for crash for 30% flinch rate

[warped citrus]

Sacred Sword for terapgos(it's a pain in the back) and crunch for CSR because i think most of the time i will be faster (tailwind) also miradan i can negate with Rillaboom

[ripe turret]

go tera ghost instead of fairy, and put all the HP points into attack because you have sash anyway

[warped citrus]

Sure but why ghost (fake out?)

[ripe turret]

everything else looks ok, personally I would run sucker over sacred but that’s just up to personal preference

[ripe turret]

and fighting moves

or you could go stellar too

for more damage

[warped citrus]

But i think fairy as a defensive type could be better

[warped citrus]

Ya i could

[ripe turret]

well but the thing is chien-pao isn’t meant to live

it’s just meant to make offensive pressure

[warped citrus]

It probably won't be alive that much anyway

[ripe turret]

and with sash you’re living a single hit anyway

[warped citrus]

Ya

[ripe turret]

so yeah a defensive tera isn’t too useful

[warped citrus]

Hm

[ripe turret]

immunities or extra damage are better

[warped citrus]

And since i have deferent type moves i think i will go stellar

[ripe turret]

sounds good

[warped citrus]

But trust me bro everytime i make a team and ask someone for help vs a pokemon i never face that pokemon again and i face a counter for my counter

[warped citrus]

👍

[ripe turret]

couple other things for your team, urshifu wants jet instead of u-turn

and kyogre probably wants a different item and ice beam over thunder to hit grass

[warped citrus]

I don't really see why

[ripe turret]

just as priority

in case you don’t get tailwind up

[warped citrus]

Ya

[ripe turret]

especially because it’s mystic water

[warped citrus]

Ya your right

[ripe turret]

personally I would go scarf on urshifu and give mystic to kyogre

[warped citrus]

I don't know

[ripe turret]

leftover is only used on calm mind sets really and kinda clashes with your offensive set

[warped citrus]

I know it's probably better but it has less potential(to make a outplay)

[ripe turret]

wdym

like honestly because your AV and mystic water are already being taken up kyogre doesn’t have a great item

[warped citrus]

When i am stuck in a position where i might need to use a different move like terapgos again i might use it's water move against its partner but then i would need to use close combat

[warped citrus]

That's a respectable argument

[ripe turret]

I see

you already have two other fighting moves on your team

and besides that doesn’t factor in that you have a partner on the field asw

[warped citrus]

That's true most of the time i have zacian in the other slot or Rillaboom

[ripe turret]

yeah

so I still stand by my previous suggestion

[warped citrus]

Ok thanks anyway for your opinion i wilk think about it

[ripe turret]

👍 ye

yw

[warped citrus]

Ok see ya later

[ripe turret]

this team is a little bit off

you have two different terrain setters

and a lot of suboptimal move/item choices

[warped citrus]

Quick question does splash plate effect all pokemon

[ripe turret]

yes

[warped citrus]

Ok

[ripe turret]

exact same as mystic water

but with extra effect for arches

arceus

[warped citrus]

Ok how about using that?

[ripe turret]

tbh I didn’t even think about that lol

that could work

[warped citrus]

Ima try it

[ripe turret]

lunala and zamazenta on the same team are too passive in my opinion

[ripe turret]

👍

lunala set is definitely weird

weakness policy is not that useful unless you have a consistent way to activate it and your only option is knock off rillaboom

minmaxed stats are wuestionable

questionable

and the tera is bad

generally lunala wants a defensive tera

like it’s not really used as a nuke

indeedee wants trick room probably over protect

tera fairy is probably better to get rid of dark weakness

snarl zama is basically useless, replace with a steel move

rilla is anti-synergy with indeedee

bloodmoon is mid in this format but if you want to use it give it a life orb so you can protect

[sullen river]

Lunala can totally nuke, I run with weakness policy not because it's my main plan but if it works out I basically win

[ripe turret]

and bundle should take sash or booster and replace ice beam with icy wind for speed control in case you don’t want to TR

[ripe turret]

ehhhh I mean ok

and the EVs are suboptimal

I suggest looking on SmogDex to see the most common spreads for your mons

overall not bad but it could use some changes

actually maybe more than some

[sullen river]

Which ones?

[ripe turret]

zama and luna but if you want to use luna as a nuke then just zama I guess

it probably wants at least some speed

[sullen river]

Also ursa is great at killing incin and miradon

Yeah the zama i just took off a random team

I'll prob switch it out for a better resticted

[ripe turret]

yeah but my point is you gotta have protect especially if you’re running tera normal

[sullen river]

Ok

[ripe turret]

otherwise if you get out of position it’s just done for

[ripe turret]

👍

[sullen river]

Any recommendations

[ripe turret]

maybe koraidon could work?

lemme think

[sullen river]

Sloq would be good cause this is kinda trick room

[ripe turret]

?

what’s that

[sullen river]

Slow

Mb

Caly i would be a beast

He's good with trickroom

Is he still good rain?

https://pokepast.es/bad5034f2039e9a3

What do I replace zama with?

[warped citrus]

Thanks rain for the Chien-Pao idea it's so good https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2369762421

[warped citrus]

It doesn't help him or hurt him since he doesn't use fire or water type moves

I mean the rain

[sullen river]

No i was asking rain

[ripe turret]

that’s actually false because rain helps with caly’s fire weakness

but anyway

[ripe turret]

it depends if you want to go hard TR or balance

[warped citrus]

Forgot he was ice type

[sullen river]

Balance

[ripe turret]

then don’t use cir

because you already have like 3 slow mons

maybe run miraidon and replace bloodmoon with its normal variant

actually scratch that

koraidon maybe?

tbh I don’t have a great idea

maybe wait for an official rater to give advice

and yeah 100% replace rillaboom with something

like chi-yu or smth

[sullen river]

Why

If ima replace him it'll be with amoongus

But chi u might make sense

Can I get a chi u set

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/33322c9d339b1e1e

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[sullen river]

Ok this is the final team but it still feels scattered

[sleek laurel]

This looks semi-decent but some sets are either bad or very out of place here, and I don't vibe with Iron Bundle outside of Miraidon teams at all

Also, especially with Lunala, Ursaluna-Hisui is just better than Ursaluna-Bloodmoin, but I guess you can get away with either

Definitely not Specs Bloodmoom tho, imagine having to Struggle after clicking Blood Moon

The Koraidon + Lunala + Indeedee + Chi-Yu core is good but none of the sets are good except Lunala's

And well ig Indeedee's but that's standard

[sullen river]

The bloodmoon is cause of chi yu ability or is that too many sp attackers?

Bundle is to outspeed God itself and hit water types with super effective moves

[sleek laurel]

If you wanna use this core, I would recommend using a team like this: https://pokepast.es/2dc75db598ab26e7

To answer your question: one, Ursaluna-Hisui just deals more damage, two, it's slower under Trick Room, and three, it lets you use Life Orb Koraidon which is just the better Koraidon set

[sleek laurel]

It's a Koraidon team

You don't fear Water-type attackers bar Kyogre which you still have a ton of counterplay for

[sullen river]

Like?

I don't see a single mon on that team that has a chance against a water type

Oh sun I guess

[sleek laurel]

Koraidon anyway
Lunala with Shadow Shield
Ursaluna under Trick Room
Iron Bundle's Freeze-Dry still does pitiful damage to Kyogre anyway

[sullen river]

So life orb korai

[sleek laurel]

If they don't have Rain then Koraidon outright invalidates Water-type attacks

[sullen river]

And bundle for what?

[sleek laurel]

Bundle goes Flutter Mane

I sent you a template team

The Indeedee offensive move is very interchangeable

I don'tlike Dazzling Gleam because doing 60% to Dark Urshifu with a Special Fairy-type move is 😭 but it can work if you need to break Sashes in the face of redirection, at the cost of being locked by Wide Guard and doing absolutely nothing outside of breaking Sashes in terms of damaging moves

But Indeedee isn't here to click damaging moves anyway so you can get away with it

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/5331a90bc8341b82

I tweaked it

But yeah I do find myself not using bundle

Maybe a past paradox pokemon to vibe with korai

Amoongus?

Great in trickroom

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/daf81c297d22d5cd

So I'm trying this sun team where I have koraidon and landorus be the main offensive, flutter mane as speed control and incineroar to crumple slower support pokemons. I did use brute bonnet over ogerpon but it felt kind of slow. The problem i been facing is choice scarf ushifu forms and chi-yu, galarian weezing teams, and bulky kyogre

[sonic wind]

I think your Trick Room mode is to weak, youd make it a lot more threatening of a move with Ursaluna replacing Landorus. Still acts as a Ground-type for your Miraidon match up and carries damage. This also frees up the potential Life Orb for your Koraidon to be a lot stronger.

With Ursaluna I recommend giving Brute Bonnet another shot, Spore big strong

[rose seal]

https://pokepast.es/7b5bc415c136d25d looking for a 6th mon for my sword fish team, any input is appreciated

[unborn hull]

Now im going to answer the question given, however, i see some problems. Anyways torn would be great here, some speed control would be very nice due to kyogres awkard speed stat, it helps against rillaboom kyogres worst matchup in my opinion also. Anyways some things im noticing is 1. Amoonguss would work better here, its way easier to fit pollen puff in which is very good to heal kyogre for water spouts, not to mention you dont need more offense, if you want brute bonnet tho, seed bomb is just better than protect. 2. Archaludon is also just not good, urshifu-r is a way better rain mon, goes through protect, can stack with tera water, and its faster.

[rose seal]

First, I greatly appreciate your feedback and I will 100% try torn. I have to ask about why bonnet is bad or atleast worse than amoongus. Better stats both offensively and defensively, sucker punch absolutely nukes good meta mons like shadow rider and lunala. Like is the dark type that bad or am I missing something

[ripe turret]

yes

it's literally only the typing

[unborn hull]

2 restricteds and archaludon/urshifu are most of the time enough offense, also its easier to fit pollen puff so you can heal kyogre + worse defensive typing

Also slightly worse in tr but doesnt matter much

[ripe turret]

yeah it's just that amoonguss' defensive typing is just so much better

[unborn hull]

If you want offense you can try sludge bomb amoonguss which is what im running

(Im not sure if my message went through so ima send it again) amoonguss is sometimes bulkier ss it goes all in on defense in the evs

[ripe turret]

usually bonnet is only used on koraidon teams

tbh the problem stems from the fact that you're running bonnet with booster energy

actually it just stems from the fact that you're using bonnet on this team

because cloak goes for tornadus and you can't run seed bomb because you need some way to block protect

like tera ghost, but that's an inferior defensive typing

generally I don't think you need bonnet or amoonguss on this team seeing as you already have a grass type

I would replace it with chien-pao maybe

if you want the dark coverage

and I second the urshifu for archaludon suggestion

but even if you want to use archaludon please do something about that set lol

leftovers tera steel is pretty bad

[unborn hull]

Normally when i give suggestions i dont want to change it too much since its his teams, im not gonna give him a whole new archetype, so i gave him amoonguss as a replacement.

[ripe turret]

the only way I see arch working there is with a power herb or something

[unborn hull]

Kyogre has rain tho

[ripe turret]

well yeah for when there isn't rain

and besides it doesn't have another good set that it can use anyway

[unborn hull]

Fair point

[unborn hull]

Can I just add that already having a grass type isnt a reason to nessecarily change a pokemon? I have 2 flying types on my swordfish (torn and thun), and its my best reg i team so far

[ripe turret]

I mean yes

but I honestly think that pao is just a better option

even if it's not for the grass typing

[unborn hull]

I mean, having 2 offensive restricteds then an offenskvd mon be it arch or urshifu and then another offensive mon isnt the best

[ripe turret]

wdym

4 offensives on a team is pretty standard

[unborn hull]

However id see why chien could be good, dealing with rillaboom for example

[unborn hull]

Ive never seen more than 3 people run it

[ripe turret]

?????

alright...

[unborn hull]

Normally see 3 offense 3 support

[jovial creek]

?

thats not

a good way to build a team

[broken shuttle]

what are we even yapping about

[jovial creek]

don't count offense/support mons

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[jovial creek]

that doesn't give you a good team

[jovial creek]

arch>shifu add torn and bonnet should probably be farigiraf to block fake out

[broken shuttle]

*shifu>arc

[unborn hull]

Im running 2 offensive restricted (swordfish) urshifu torn thun and amoonguss and i win most games

[broken shuttle]

one team =/= a consistent teambuilding framework

& one player laddering w. 1 team also doesn't really mean all that much in terms of a broader metagame unless they're topping ladder

& even then that's only to a certain extent

[unborn hull]

Most teams i run on reg I are 3/3

[broken shuttle]

again, just bc you do things like that doesn't mean it's a consistent teambuilding framework

or can be applied broadly

[untold relic]

https://pokepast.es/6923c22d40adca82
thoughts?
did rly well in Reg (G?) w/ groudon gouging and it's just that good ig
went up to 1400 from clean slate w/ only 1 loss to luna
hard mu is like hard tr expanding force + ursaluna + cir stuff

[broken shuttle]

idt zacian is right here

it doesn't seem like it does a whole lot for your bad mus & realistically just makes you more prone to intimidate

also

speed tiers are cooked

[untold relic]

tru yeah incin has been a lil annoying
but the other option is mirai > bolt and tclap has been clutching the tr mu

[untold relic]

this is not draft 💀
and there's a whims
and the evs are fucked but kinda

[broken shuttle]

??

dawg

your groudon doesn't even outspeed csr in tw

[untold relic]

what speed does it have to hit? 113?

no 112 should work

[broken shuttle]

u don't need mirai>bolt, i'd just test a diff restricted over zacian

[untold relic]

uuh
was considering like ray because I'm stupid crazy
ho-oh?

[broken shuttle]

zamazenta-c

[untold relic]

but then I just lose to meteor beam lunala

zama-c is interesting

doesn't that get blown up by luna though

[broken shuttle]

?

no?

oh u meant ursaluna?

i mean not really w. tera

[untold relic]

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Headlong Rush vs. +1 100 HP / 236+ Def Zamazenta-Crowned: 138-164 (76.6 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
wait what the fuck

that does max 90%????

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/6ee3bb8cbc17d15e

you'd still have to be careful abt ursaluna

bc that guy is kinda stupid

this should work better tho

[untold relic]

hmm okay will test

[stoic silo]

https://pokepast.es/14a142f39a441ee2 I tried building a team with Lunala and Zacian

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[stoic silo]

(I might be addicted to lunala due to one shotting most incin

[warped citrus]

I hate lunala

[ripe turret]

looks pretty good overall

I would personally run jolly zac so you can outspeed 205s but it might just be up to personal preference

and also does lunala need to be max special attack?

[shadow coral]

I’m pretty new to doubles any help would be appreciated https://pokepast.es/c8eb86ecd3d8c255

[drifting onyx]

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[ripe turret]

for your first time this is not bad

you’re like

50% of the way there

kyogre should be tera grass with ice beam

zama looks good

replace hydrei and thund with ursh and torn

rillaboom should be wood hammer and u-turn over drum beating and tera blast and go tera fire

and waterpon looks good

I’ll find the sets sometime later cuz I’m in class right now

I think three waters might be too much so maybe replace waterpon with something

but yeah overall not bad

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/5331a90bc8341b82

Halp

[jovial creek]

Are you new to vgc

[sullen river]

New to this meta

[jovial creek]

That team doesn't look very good; I'd recommend taking a team that a more experienced player has built

[sullen river]

Kinda

I think it looks good other than the bundle

And I gave fish scarf

[jovial creek]

Policy lunala isn't good

Bundle doesn't fit

And korai needs protect Flame charge cc flare blitz

[sullen river]

Ok

I need the electric move for kyogre

[jovial creek]

It should take most/die from cc

[sullen river]

Bust electric is a one hit

Where can I find sample teams?

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/4d5a7009a3d021f9

Idk which direction to take this team, it feels so scattered

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/f476294a5dde74a9

how much spatk would my whimsicott need to KO koraidon?

assuming non-tera

[sullen river]

No sp ak is 81% chance to one shot

36 evs

For 100% chance

Thats with no terra and no nature

Thats crazy strong ngl

[jovial creek]

It's 4x super effective

[sullen river]

Oh right

Halp me

https://pokepast.es/4d5a7009a3d021f9

@jovial creek

I think i gotta take out lunala or smth

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/b13d2ee80400422c

Waterpon should be

Not waterpon

[sullen river]

Huh?

I feel like lunala just does 25% then dies

https://pokepast.es/0e56ae6b93fae82b

How do we feel about this?

[untold relic]

As ipet said, I would recommend you take a look at sample teams before building your own

the sets and moves and comp are not optimal

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/b43fc6ab6c0d7996
How's this team

[sleek laurel]

Did you build this?

And do you have it ingame? Curious because I fought this exact same team on the cartridge ladder yesterday

[narrow dock]

Yes

[narrow dock]

No

[sleek laurel]

Ok then idk lol

AnywY

Team looks good but idk why not just use Urshifu instead of Scraggy

Also don't use Amoonguss here

It's very bad with Miraidon

If you want the redirection, an Ogerpon forme is just better for this team

And also offers offensive support and has the objectively better redirection move

[sleek laurel]

I'd do Hearthflame over Amoonguss and probably just the Scarfed Coaching Urshifu over Scraggy, the Scraggy gimmick is nice but it's really not worth it in practice

Another option if you don't care about redirection much is Incineroar over Amoonguss

Which still gives you the Intimidate and Fake Out option

Other mons all look fine, except Farigiraf wants Foul Play over Protect

You need to be able to actually damage the Calyrex formes with it AND it pairs perfectly with Tera Dark