VGC Rates

[sleek laurel]

But I think we both overlooked that

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/3b5f13cfe29235d3

[sleek laurel]

Btw this is something I was supposed to ask y’all and didn’t address on Rocky’s team because I wasn’t fully sure

Does Sash Flutter still just run max/max

Or does it try to play around shifu surging

[jovial creek]

Max max

Especially on a sun team

[sleek laurel]

I had a feeling

Esp since like

The amount of defensive investment you need to just live raw Surging Strikes is also like

Outside of sun

Probably so much that it makes Sash redundant

So yea, just run shadow ball and max speed/max spatk on flutter

[strange sparrow]

Is that the only change on the team?

And shadow ball for taunt?

[sleek laurel]

Yes and yes, other than the obvious agility misinput

Or at least that’s what I’ve gotten from Bigfoot here

I too don’t see anything else to be changed but you did want a second opinion and honestly so do I so yea lol

[strange sparrow]

Alrigjt sounds good

It was hell missing a ghost move on flutter mane

Especially with basculeigon on the field

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[lethal bridge]

volcarona or sinistcha could work too

only issue is i don't know what mon to replace, i need groudon and reshiram for my restricteds, flutter mane is flutter mane, incineroar gives me fake out and pivoting, whimsicott gives me tailwind and another way to set sun, and farigiraf gives me TR and other support

sinistcha could replace farig because it also gets TR but that's 2 grass types on a sun team and i lose helping hand

[lethal bridge]

i could run volcarona over incineroar and run a weird set with like protect rage powder flamethrower/fiery dance and u-turn for pivoting

[strange sparrow]

What would rest go into?

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/2dc85b66ed2596ac

[untold relic]

The Volcarona set is... interesting, to say the least.
Heat Wave is usually better > Flamethrower, but if you value the accuracy consistency, Fiery Dance is also there
I just don't understand U-turn, I'd put Wisp or Tailwind over it

[lethal bridge]

u-turn is so i have a pivoting move and if im planning on pivoting flamethrower is probably better because its higher base damage

[untold relic]

how does that work out
Flamethrower = Heat Wave in BP

but Heat Wave hits both so usually you get more dmg overall

and yes I understand U-turn is a pivot move but like
you're most likely sitting on the field with Volc spamming Rage Powder anyways

in any situation where you would want to U-turn hard switching usually is good enough

[lethal bridge]

that's fair

[lethal bridge]

was comparing it to fiery dance sorry

yea i'll just run wilowisp then lmao

thanks

and if i'm not pivoting i'll run fiery dance too

[untold relic]

QD?
I mean you can
usually most Volcs don't even run Protest

Protect*

[lethal bridge]

quiver dance is a good option altho i like having more mons that can protect otherwise only 2 mons would have protect

[dusk sun]

It was but i got tornadus now

used to have it but dropped it idk why lmfao; added ursa recently for electric coverage and was just broken in TR

what does that mean-

See ive thought it for awhile but its never been an issue since i never run both, even if i do i lead with incin
I feel like incins my only threat to a beefy amoongus and spectrier and other shit; fakeouts also nice

[sleek laurel]

Anything other than attack

It doesn’t really make a difference lol

[strange sparrow]

Sp def it is

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[strange sparrow]

Tera normal flutter mane?

Or keep fairy

[pliant forge]

did I cook

https://pokepast.es/6eec02aae71aab8f

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[pliant forge]

chi yu and mienshao might be flexible but the other 4 are locked in

[sleek laurel]

What is with Psych Up CSR

You can’t send it besides your Dondozo

Oh wait Toxic Orb

Has this ever been tried before in Regionals or high level events?

[pliant forge]

Not to my knowledge, when reg I got announced I got rolled by a similar team in casual battles and it's been in the back of my mind since

a few reg g youtube videos helped but obviously miriadon wasnt a piece of those teams

[strange sparrow]

@sleek laurel help me!!!

Tera normal or fairy fluttermane

[sleek laurel]

I think both can work

[strange sparrow]

Normal just helps me against last respects

And other ghost moves

[sleek laurel]

I’m not sure if the concept is viable but if it is, there shouldn’t be much to be changed

[strange sparrow]

Like moongheisy

[sleek laurel]

Normal is more helpful for Lunala and CSR than Basculegion

Fairy lets you OHKO Miraidon iirc

You can test both

[strange sparrow]

Normal is just more defensive

[sleek laurel]

Like I don’t think you can optimize this team much further

Without changing the core outright

[sleek laurel]

Yea

[pliant forge]

it's cheesy, I was just curious if chi yu or mienshao could be upgraded

like if I played BO3 or went to a tournament all anyone would need is wideguard and/or redirection

[sleek laurel]

Maybe like

Tera Fighting Mienshao

Because it gets the OHKOs on the Dex and Steel, I fail to see the standout use

And ig some EV spreads could be tweaked but I’m not sure because Reg I has just started

[pliant forge]

also I could have sworn the interaction on console was tatsugiri dies the moment dozo is switched in but I do have one turn where it's still alive on showdown

[sleek laurel]

And spread optimizations are still to be done

[sleek laurel]

No lol

It stays out of field

But when the Dozo dies

It comes back

Which is why you have to actively kill the Tatsugiri first

Or well

You get what I mean

[pliant forge]

right yeah the strat is endure > volt switch > dozo comes in

[sleek laurel]

I wouldn’t be entirely fixed on one strat btw

Like

[pliant forge]

CRS is kinda awkward since I am vulnurable for the psych up turn

I cant just turn my brain off and copy the stats willy nilly

[sleek laurel]

Pokémon is a bit more complex than that, you usually want to play with the lines the game gives you

Yea

Perhaps in some games, you wanna let the Tatsu whittle down first

And stall a bit out with Dozo

Because you can’t afford to instantly Volt Switch

That’s just an example

[burnt surge]

Shao should have Sash

[pliant forge]

in only a few games I realize eject pack is useless

[burnt surge]

I also like Adamant Mienshao because it OHKOes Incineroar, but if Timid Lando is that scary for you then you can keep Jolly

Tbh I don't even think you need the Toxic Orb Tatsugiri

[pliant forge]

But then the cheese is removed from the team :(

unless you have a more cheesy idea in mind? :)

[sleek laurel]

Oh I missed that

Yea run Sash Shao 100%

[sleek laurel]

My brain literally saw the team and assumed it was Sash

Run Sash

Lol

[pliant forge]

sweet, I'll see how the cheese goes for the rest of the day :)

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/103c3d832ab07747

help

[broken shuttle]

i would go farigaraf over cornerstone

it gives u a csr check & additional tr setter + priority block

water>ghost tera when u do thst

[tribal void]

wouldn't tfire or water be better on calyI as well

already have eterrain

[broken shuttle]

also go water or normal caly

could do poison or mb fairy

just not grass

[tribal void]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

that’s redundant here

[true stratus]

What do you guys think?

[broken shuttle]

!pokepaste

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[broken shuttle]

please !

[true stratus]

Sorry about that here ya go https://pokepast.es/97c8ea514307bb63

[hearty tide]

wait but i want follow me on a mon

[broken shuttle]

you need priority block there more

you could drop smth like peli for farig

but regardless u need farig

[broken shuttle]

i would go jolly lilligant to outspeed more stuff if ur opponent sets up tailwind

also don’t use specs groudon

it’s bad

use AV or clear amulet

other than that looks good to me

[true stratus]

What do you think about using special attack Groudon instead or koraidon?

I really liked using torkoal and lilliganT and this is like the same thing

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/026a533c6159b097 i was testing out life orb groudon a bit, felt pretty strong thus far i was curious about what yall think

I was maybe thinking ghost incin

With helmet ofc

I had eseed on hands originally oops

[ripe turret]

just don’t do special groudon, koraidon could work imo

you could just use the clamulet set

[broken shuttle]

you could do koraidon asw

but don’t do special don

it’s bad

it’s too weak and you don’t even have fire stab so you’re forced to commit tera a lot

[broken shuttle]

double AV

other than that looks good

a friend of mine has been rly up on LO groudon

[lost phoenix]

^^

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/ac8ecffc8ccb8603 this is the new paste

[broken shuttle]

missed that lol

[lost phoenix]

Lo groudon goes very hard in the mirai mirror

[broken shuttle]

looks fine to me

[lost phoenix]

And is the one groudon variant that can meaningfully dent kyogre switching in which is a cool aspect

[broken shuttle]

well

i don’t care for no bulk groudon

but if it works it works

[lost phoenix]

Not much point to have bulk when life orb kills your calcs anyways

[broken shuttle]

yeah kinda true

i just enjoy greed bulk

[rancid stag]

pls help i’m new to comp n i barely know anything rate my team and give tips!!! i def need to change tera types but give tips thx :3
https://pokepast.es/664777a0eb7c322f

[hazy hamlet]

this team is BOOTY CHEEKS

first of all

reg g (the format that allows one restricted pokemon) isnt playable in pokemon shwodon anymore

now about the pokemon

[hazy hamlet]

• sitrus berry gothetelle is BOOTY CHEEKS right now, since clayrex-shadow can hit it for super effective and ignore the berry effects since it has unnerve(deactives berries) and grim neigh(+1 special attack for every kill,+4 maximum since only four pokemon can be used)

i recommend using this sample team made by me

https://pokepast.es/a5270fddbf513b47

[valid flower]

Oh great heavens

[hazy hamlet]

has the perish trap aspect you wanted

and can pull it of easier

[valid flower]

I also came today to play my reg g team and found out it got deleted from showdown

[valid flower]

I have tried galar-weezing with ability shield on koraidon and it's super awesome

[hazy hamlet]

the tactic is to lead murkow incineroar, and using tailwind and fake out into the pokemon that threathens gothitelle with super effective damage(ghost or dark type attacks) or use perish song and parting shot into a really strong pokemon

[hazy hamlet]

ill try a weezing-G koraidon team that works well with some other pokemon

like csr, cir or if im crazy, palkia-o

[valid flower]

Palkia 🥀

[hazy hamlet]

fr

[rancid stag]

yes

i mean perish song is actually like

a backup

option

[hazy hamlet]

its a backup option on this team

the main option is to use the powerful restricted mons with gothitelle or incineroar so they might hve to switch turn 1

[rancid stag]

so u think it’s good? i think im gonna replace zapdos with chien-pao

[hazy hamlet]

sure

but replace one of the mons with a restricted

i recommend having someone teach you what to do so ur able to pproerly use a team

[rancid stag]

I DIDNT EVEN REAS THIS

[hazy hamlet]

or the team

[jovial creek]

This team isn't very good, if you are new to comp then I'd recommend finding a team that a more experienced player has built so you can learn the basics first.

Currently we haven't had any tournaments for the new regulation (reg I) but the first tournament is this weekend so you can watch that and see if there are any fun looking teams to try!

[rancid stag]

which restricted do u think i should replace zapdos with

[hazy hamlet]

i have no clue

maybe zamazenta-c

[rancid stag]

thanks for the advice ! and i was gonna watch the upcoming tournament tmrw

[rancid stag]

i’ll try that

[hazy hamlet]

k

[torpid mason]

Hey, please change your display name and avatar for this server. This space is frequented by minors and its not appropriate for that.

well, display name now anyway

[rancid stag]

kay mb

[torpid mason]

thanks!

[random wagon]

to whoever this was recommended to, please DO NOT, under ANY circumstances, use this team 😭

[sleek laurel]

LMAO

[sleek laurel]

Hey sorry but this time is like

Epsilon better than the other one

Ok actually it’s somewhat better but these are seriously both unviable

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/5914e86214cdbaf7

(Reg G)

so i build the team with the the supports (Amg, Ind, and pelipper with longevity in mind so they could just be annoying as long as possible for calyrex - i. Ursifu this there for speed and tornadus was a filler since i didn’t know who to pit in the last spot lol

The one problem ive been dealing with is tera fairy miradon and calyrex -s. Is there somethingi should change? Also should i replace tornadus?

[broken shuttle]

i would replace torn with incineroar

you could maybe consider ogerpon-c over amoongiss

that would help miraidon somewhat

what is the speed on amoonguss for?

[inner basin]

Oh shit that’s supposed to be for spd

[inner basin]

What item would incineroar have then?

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/077a0f98b6a7b2ba an entire team built around allowing my legends to set up/supporting them

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/c70f5936bbb60de7
Just made this VGC Sun, how would I make it better?

I don't know good EV spreads, so I'd like help w that.

[umbral roost]

Forgot about e terrain and spore, so replacing Brute Bonnet. Will send edited paste when done.

https://pokepast.es/74d21ff09725681f
Trying Chien Pao.

[lost phoenix]

Pao without sash is kinda ass, rather have incin in that slot so u keep smth with defensive capabilities

https://pokepast.es/720cf546c9188e49 i built this yday with the same restricted core and sash flutter

[umbral roost]

Ahhh, alr. Thanks.

[valid flower]

I think his team has kind of a more offensive approach with max speed ev in both Miraidon,Groudon, and walking wake , while yours is a tailwind team

[lost phoenix]

having tailwind helps your offensive mons much more though

[chilly jasper]

A version of this is what I plan to bring to Oregon, been fairly successful on the on cart ladder

[broken shuttle]

i would try ogerpon-hearthflame there over incin

the spore redirection and fire type raw offense seem rly good there

sinistcha and lu aren’t particularly great but i actually don’t mind them here

definitely go TR on sinistcha tho

over strength sap

realistically you’ll never have a free turn to actually click it

[broken shuttle]

on second thought keep incin for now

i would actually drop ting-lu for AV rillaboom

lu is super passive, AV rilla helps you into all of the same mus lu does but it offers fake out grassy terrain and offensive presence

[chilly jasper]

Ting lu provides a LOT of value and has really good synergy with zamazenta

Since vessel of ruin helps slow down opposing lunala and shadow rider

And since vessel of ruin is it's purpose I ran risk wasting turns to farm fissure

And in general ting lu is really distracting to anyone playing against me

They HAVE to kill it or fissure will eventually land which further protects my legends

Another redirecting Mon sounds really good though

And incineroar, as good as it is, kinda didn't do much

[chilly jasper]

Also another really good idea

Since almost noone on my team invested in speed

Ack sorry for the pings

[broken shuttle]

it does

but the issue is that it’s super super passive

rilla basically does what Lu does here but it gives you fake out and works well with both of your restricteds

and grassy terrain actively benefits both of them

esp lunala

also improves your miraidon matchup more actively

[chilly jasper]

I honestly agree, I'm just kinda stubborn on ting lu, it is the reason I even have sinsitcha at all

The entire team is built around my reg g ting lu zama core

I like what ting lu provides to everyone and I've brought it really high on ladder

Imma try your other suggestions first but if I continue to stop progressing I'll let them go

[valid flower]

Like we all know incin started using tera bug for obvious reasons , tera bug u-turn into rila about to be deadly🔥

[hearty tide]

how would you build a team around koraidon without using caly-s or caly-i?

[random wagon]

probably use Lunala as a partner

use speed control like Icy Wind on Flutter or TW on Whims or RM, find mons to help with CSR and CIR (incineroar, RM, rockpon, etc.) and prob run some sun staples like raging bolt and flutter mane

[hearty tide]

woul terapagos be good?

[random wagon]

yeah that could work

[hearty tide]

wait actually

how would koraidon terapagos even work

cuz doesnt koraidon sorta need tera fire to be viable and not get mogged by caly

anyhows is this goood

https://pokepast.es/6bccca0c92468628

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[sleek laurel]

Max Speed Ogerpon > Max HP (was that a misinput?)

[hearty tide]

no

it was not

[sleek laurel]

Jolly 0 speed

?

[hearty tide]

well

good point

[sleek laurel]

Lol

Either way

I’d still prolly replace one of Amoonguss or Ogerpon with Ursaluna

[hearty tide]

why

[sleek laurel]

This is mostly something we’ve seen in Milwaukee regionals, but basically, you have zero TR offense

Besides Lunala- actually wait

You’re running Expanding Force without Psychic Terrain support

Ok well, either drop Expanding Force or run an Indeedee-F somewhere (instead of a redirector)

[hearty tide]

ok hm

i swapped lunala for my orignial terapagos

i really awnt to run terapagos but i feel like tera fire is required for koraidon

[sleek laurel]

Tbh that changes a lot of stuff

Restricteds aren’t mons you add at the end of a team

[hearty tide]

okay

[sleek laurel]

If you’re running Lunala Koraidon, I’d suggest you do like

[hearty tide]

are koraidon and terapagos viable tho?

together

[sleek laurel]

Indeedee + Ursaluna > the grasses for a TR mode

And also, yes but harder to use/pilot

Korai Pagos is something that’s been experimented on

[hearty tide]

okay who else would you suggest for a koraidon team

[sleek laurel]

I am not a professional with it, but it’s been working well

[hearty tide]

other htan lunala and terapagoas

[sleek laurel]

The most popular pairings are Lunala and Calyrex-S

But again

Changing a Restricted Legendary

Forces you to change a LOT of your team

[hearty tide]

yeah but im just curious as to how koraidon adn terapagos work

[sleek laurel]

I am not particularly professional at Koraidon Terapagos

I know someone who is tho

I can ask him if you want

Friend of mine

[hearty tide]

sure thanks 🙏

[sleek laurel]

Bet, gimme a few minutes

[hearty tide]

cool

https://pokepast.es/573ebc04adca67f4

hows this?

[sleek laurel]

Team looks fine, he’s giving me (you) a guide rq

[hearty tide]

okay thank you so much :)

[sleek laurel]

Np

Basically the team plays in two different ways, depending on the matchup

You can lead Pagos with a support mon to help it setup and have Koraidon in the back, or just not bring Pagos and go mega HO

In which case you usually do Korai Mane lead and Bolt Incin later

[hearty tide]

oh thats cool

[true stratus]

What do you guys think about my sun team https://pokepast.es/ab349517e1910d4b Im struggling with Groudon and finding real use for him. Seems like he does no damage and everything hits him hard

[flat oyster]

Trick room

Can’t outspeed

[broken shuttle]

i think torkoal is kind of redundant here

same with jumpluff/lilli

3 sunsetters is kind of unecessary same w. two chlorophyll mons

i think i would go farigaraf over torkoal and raging bolt over jumpluff

cz that gives you a strong slow mode with miraidon counterplay and priority block

which is rly necessary here imo

other than that

go tera fire koraidon

[proper wasp]

Someone alive?

[broken shuttle]

?

[proper wasp]

Wanted to get suggestions around my team

Still missing incineroar tho

Like I have it

Just still not build

[broken shuttle]

send the team lol

[proper wasp]

When I get inceneroar

Or yeahs

https://pokepast.es/946f498bc137a345

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[broken shuttle]

make your miraidon faster, you need to be able to outspeed max speed impish zamazenta (180 speed)
drop taunt on whims for light screen bc it helps a lot into the csr mu and mirror
drop incin for AV iron hands

[proper wasp]

Iron hands

Going without an intimidate user?

[broken shuttle]

you don't need intimidate if you're using a fast paced team

iron hands helps a lot into the miradon mirror and into calyrex ice

• fits the pace of the team a bit better

[proper wasp]

How you suggest it?

Like the Moveset and EVs and IVs and item

Never really used a iron hands in my team

And how would you change the EVs of Miraidon

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/2219397ed2434b66

[proper wasp]

Thanks

[proper wasp]

Excuse me

Is there a way to change language in Pokémon and scarlet

[broken shuttle]

wdym?

[proper wasp]

Uhm

Like when you start

You choose a language

Is there a way to change it after that?

[broken shuttle]

no

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/339214a2516a18fb
I think this team is pretty good, weakest area probably being Calyrex-Tera Fire TR.

I want an attack on Tornt, but I like his moveset rn. Should I js replace sunny day?

[random wagon]

This team is pretty solid! I think you could actually benefit from running Helping Hand over Stone Edge and Discharge over Dazzling Gleam, since you can freely Tera Electric Discharge with a Helping Hand boost for good damage.

This team might benefit a bit more from Whismicott over Tornadus since it is overall better at setting sun and threatens damage into Koraidon. A Covert Cloak Tera Dark set with Tailwind, Moonblast, Sunndy Day, and Encore should work.

I feel kind of iffy on Walking Wake, is it working well for you?

[umbral roost]

Wake is a great wallbreaker, so yeah, it’s working well. Mainly for slower teams like TR.

But you’re right, Whimms might be better.

[sleek laurel]

I like this a lot, just yeah what Pengu said are definitely some nice upgrades

But great cook

useless contribution tbh I’m just doubling down on the same LOL

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[jovial creek]

Bruh

Don't do that please 👍

[valid flower]

it was a mistake , sorry

I have tried using this team, it is just the old meta miraidon team with zacian on it , no matter what i tried from changing items to moves to ev spreads it just doesn't work , do u guys have any suggestions or do i just need to change the support mons , or is the zacian and miraidon core just bad?https://pokepast.es/c99f18cd8636f15b

[jovial creek]

Miraidon zacian is a decent core but i think it's a bit harder than that

For now id try something else

[sleek laurel]

I don’t like this Farigiraf set either but yea it’s a complicated core to use

[valid flower]

imprison is pretty good against both calyrex, ice for troom and shadow for psychic , but some times they run psyshock and 90 percent of the time loose the game

[sleek laurel]

Imprison is fine but imprison farig really just runs tr imprison foul play and usually helping hand

You need to be able to actually threaten the Calyrexes you’re imprisoning

Ig imprison tr foul play psychic can work too

[random wagon]

heavy slam is like super mid IMO, wild charge is better here

does more into Lunala and still hits CSR

and OHKOs Flutter

Since you have Tailwind, you can also probably afford Modest

since without it DGleam in particular but also Volt Switch dont hit as hard

Imprison is also super niche, you have enough tools to deal with TR (Taunt Torn, Hoger, Hands) and CSR (TW and Hands)

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/5e80b5bb7c9044fc did i cook

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[sleek laurel]

Almost

Wood Hammer > Knock Off on Rillaboom, Tera Grass on Kyogre (optimally Water Spout over Thunder too) and run Mystic Water or Leftovers, Will-O-Wisp > Flare Blitz on Incin and Taunt > Sunny Day on Tornadus

Sunny Day + Flare Blitz Incin in a Kyogre team isn’t it, you’re weakening your Kyogre most of the time for minimal benefit

Even if you do theoretically end up in a Torn + Incin scenario where Kyogre is dead, the chances that a Sun-boosted Flare Blitz will get the kill you need and be the difference in it are minimal and you’re actively hurting your Tornadus’ utility without Taunt very often

And Tera Grass Kyogre lets you drop the Safety Goggled and gives you extra power on your Water-type STAB moves or more reliable for pretty much no drawback, since you still resist Miraidon’s stuff and you really want to click Water-type moves most of the time

Thunder is also not optimal unless it’s AV Kyogre because Water Spout is just more useful lol

Other than that it looks real nice, just yea change the Rillaboom set

I wouldn’t run Brave Rilla but if it works, it works? Oh and you’re missing 4 SpA EVs on Torn for absolute free, since the 24 Speed compared to just 20 doesn’t actually give any benefits (EVing at level 50 is complicated)

[sleek laurel]

(Note: a STAB- and Grassy Terrain-boosted Wood Hammer is considerably stronger than a Super-effective Knock Off from Rillaboom, even if it’s 97.5 BP Knock Off, and Knock Off Rillaboom is not only redundant with Incineroar since you have a stronger Knock Off with Incin (due to Dark-type STAB), but you also actively hurt Incin’s Knock Off’s effectiveness by making it do less damage against an already-Knocked Off opponent)

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/cdf32f771e98274b

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[tall trail]

Looking for any adjustments I might need to make for VGC reg I

[sleek laurel]

parting shot > flare blitz on incin, water spout > thunder on kyogre (optimally) and scarf urshifu set is really recommended on kyogre teams

in general tho

seal of approval

👍

also what does the zacian-c spread do?

oh yeah and you really want at least 12 speed on Kyogre to hit the 112 benchmark in tailwind, so just take 8 off of spatk

[ripe turret]

go 236hp 236def bold amoonguss, you’re just missing the guaranteed survival roll for adamant glacial lance and icicle crash from pao

[sleek laurel]

oh yea thanks

i didn't see that one either

[ripe turret]

👍

[sleek laurel]

but again these are all very minor details (apart from ursh set but that's easy to change anyway)

team looks good

[tall trail]

I was told a while back that zacian and Kyogre go well together and so far they've been making a pretty decent team

[sleek laurel]

no i mean

the EV spread

zacian and kyogre go very well together and your Pokémon selection is honestly optimal

[tall trail]

Oh

[ripe turret]

and the attack EVs on incin too btw, get rid of them if you change blitz for parting, 252hp 188+def has the best chance to live adamant surging I think

[sleek laurel]

(actually 236 hp 228 def bold still nets the caly-i roll but not the icicle crash one)

[ripe turret]

I see

[sleek laurel]

(so like, for 8 evs worth might as well get both lol)

[ripe turret]

lol

[sleek laurel]

blitz for parting is extremely critical btw jinx

you can also get away with u-turn

but no pivot move isn't good and flare blitz in rain neither

lol!

[tall trail]

So get rid of fake out for U-turn or parting shot

[sleek laurel]

no

get rid of flare blitz

fake out stays

[tall trail]

OH

[sleek laurel]

lol

tldr:

• -8 spa +8 spe on kyogre, water spout > thunder

• ursh goes for the scarf set instead

• incin parting shot > flare blitz, attack investment isn't needed anymore so go bulkier

• torn is perfect, for zac-c you can test out sacred sword over substitute but not mandatory, amoonguss -8 spdef +8 def

[tall trail]

Okay

[sleek laurel]

gl fr

[proper wasp]

Can I ask about how a substitution would go on team?

[sleek laurel]

Which?

[proper wasp]

Arcaludon

https://pokepast.es/b98f3e91a88ae5dd

For iron hands

Or a substitution that makes my team get a better match up against caly ice

[sleek laurel]

I am not the biggest Archaludon believer in restricted formats but if you want to use it, swapping out Iron Hands is probably the best yea

Do note that Iron Hands matches up significantly better into Calyrex-I than Archaludon

[sleek laurel]

Tera Water Iron Hands instead of Fighting

Gg

[proper wasp]

Any change in iron hands move set or is good like that?

[sleek laurel]

Moves are great

Love to see someone else running 100 HP / 156+ Atk / 252 SpD in Brave Iron Hands sets

Gets every defensive roll in the dex while maximizing mixed bulk and keeping the attack part

[proper wasp]

Thanks

[tall trail]

https://pokepast.es/2a2e1ea371688348

This is the adjusted team I made based off the adjustments from earlier, I just want to make sure I did it accurately

[sleek laurel]

U-Turn over Brick Break on Urshifu and give Kyogre an extra 8 Speed EVs, then you’re golden

Oh yea and also take off 4 SpDef on Incineroar for Attack because that’s essentially a free Attack point, you won’t lose any SpDef (that’s how EVing at level 50 works)

It has to be from SpDef into Attack btw, won’t work elsewhere

[tall trail]

Okay

[buoyant quail]

https://pokepast.es/4a266b6930ecb629
been using this team lately in reg i. modified from the kyogre setup sample team from reg g. any and all possible improvements and feedback is greatly appreciated

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[broken shuttle]

definitely a bit all over the place, you have a lot of anti-synergy here

1. Rillaboom and Miradon both set different terrain
2. Miraidon's terrain blocks brute bonnet's spore

i would suggest going back to the original core of kyogre/urshifu/roaring moon/incineroar/rillaboom and adding zacian-c to that

https://pokepast.es/215e0316e3ad8098

[buoyant quail]

2nd issue definitely sucks. first one hasnt been that much of an issue. if anything it gives me an excuse to switch into rilla when opposing rillas replace the terrain. ive had success cycling between the two

[broken shuttle]

so something like this basically

you could also definitely go amoonguss over rillaboom

[buoyant quail]

ic

[broken shuttle]

this team also has no speed control other than scarf urshifu, water spout on cm ogre is rly inconsistent because you have to be at full hp to get full value out of that, brute bonnet is super redundant here, tera fighting and jolly ursh aren't v good

[broken shuttle]

this should solve a lot of those issues by creating a core w. a lot more synergy

[buoyant quail]

oh tera fighting was an accident sob

meant to change it

[broken shuttle]

ye figured abt as much

same w. grass brute but just had to mention regardless

[buoyant quail]

yeah i keep forgetting to change the teras

will definitely try the changes you mentioned

thanks

[broken shuttle]

totes

[pulsar crown]

Not sure what move to give to my urshifu

[buoyant quail]

maybe sucker punch for prio

[stoic silo]

Oh yeah and poke paste please

[pulsar crown]

I don't really like sucker punch it's just not on par with aqua jet so I barely use it

here's the pokepaste

https://pokepast.es/3ce409f9c82b5d25

forgot to change urshifu's tera lmao

[pulsar crown]

besides indeedee's terrain could get me stuck

[sleek laurel]

Since it’s Scarf Darkshifu you can use Iron Head, like they do with Band

Not sure how many Scarf Darkshifu have been used but Iron Head is definitely good if you do run it

You can also do Power Herb + Meteor Beam on Lunala over Wide Guard or Trick Room btw

The power boost is crucial, it gives you a clean OHKO into most Incineroar (if not, you leave it at like 10%) and Sitrus Berry is bad on it because it doesn’t ever reactivate Shadow Shield

And it also gives you a manually consumable item which diminishes the damage of the omnipresent Knock Off

[pulsar crown]

yeah ig that covers for terra fairies

[sleek laurel]

Yea, most Band Urshifu rarely click it (though they still run it) because Banded Tera Dark Wicked Blow does numbers already, but on Scarfed you might see success with it

[pulsar crown]

I considered trying out the Vancouver build but wide guard worked with the horses and other spread hitters

[sleek laurel]

Fair enough, but then you want Spell Tag or Leftovers anyway

[pulsar crown]

but yeah I'll try switching it out with meteorpower

[sleek laurel]

I would still do that yea

But if you don’t find success with it (I doubt it), probably still swap out the item

Sitrus Berry on Lunala isn’t good because it can’t ever reactivate the Shield

[pulsar crown]

i did run it with leftovers but i dunno I ust switched with sitrus lmao

[sleek laurel]

I’m not keen on Lefties either

I think it’s too vulnerable to Knock Off for little benefit

Spell Tag is nice because the Power boost on Moongeist beam is actually really cool

But still vulnerable to Knock Off

[pulsar crown]

it's not really to reactivate ss it's just to make her last long and do solid/complementary damage

[sleek laurel]

Yea I get where it comes from, but it just feels too ehhhh in practice

Honestly MeteorPower is just optimal imo

[pulsar crown]

i tend to switch it out as well for positioning stuff

[sleek laurel]

Yea on this team a Seed item is probably mid

Honestly there’s a lot you can run here ngl lmao

And nothing seems perfect

But I’d still go MeteorPower

[pulsar crown]

maybe it's because I've only ever ran it on low ladder lmaoo

[sleek laurel]

Lmao we’ve all had that feeling

[pulsar crown]

I think i've played a lot of miralunala and works pretty well

[sleek laurel]

Same

[pulsar crown]

the highest elo opponent I've won with this is around 1260 something like that

[pulsar crown]

then I encountered pokeaim's ho oh and dismantled me

lmaoo

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

You wanna know a funny matchup with Mirai Lunala?

CM Terapagos

Because Lunala vs Terapagos is like a Mexican stand-off

One can’t realistically damage the other

[pulsar crown]

wait what's cm?

[sleek laurel]

Calm Mind

[pulsar crown]

ohh

[sleek laurel]

Eventually Pagos wins the 1v1 by setting up to +6 but like

[pulsar crown]

they technically have the same ability too lamoo

[sleek laurel]

As long as there’s other stuff on the field

Yea that too LMAO

[pulsar crown]

but nahh tera starstorm hits all

[sleek laurel]

Wide Guard

Is the point

[pulsar crown]

ohh

[sleek laurel]

In a 1v1 situation Lunala loses because it can’t Wide Guard

But if there’s 4 Pokémon on the field it depends on the partners more than anything else lol

[pulsar crown]

icic

[sleek laurel]

Anyway

I gotta go to class in 4 minutes

Anything else?

[pulsar crown]

oh nahh you should go lmaoo

[sleek laurel]

Ait gl lol

[pulsar crown]

tyty

[strange sparrow]

Does encore ursaluna bloodmoon work?

Does it keep forcing me to use blood moon

Im thinking of using a team that can lean on encore ursaluna with some sort of trick room set up

So caly-i, for trick room sweep with ursaluma bloodmoon being encored to use bloodmoon

And for life duration, using rillaboom for terrain canceling and health regen with sinistcha

[broken shuttle]

yes it does

[strange sparrow]

So is this team that i just listed like feasible

[jovial creek]

You use bloodmoon again once

And then you start to struggle

Assuming the encore is before luna moves the turn after using bloodmoon

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/bb122a9d731fd405
can someone help me with the team, I feel like it could use some improvement on the defensive side

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[jovial creek]

Zama protect>iron defense

And tera grass/dragon is better

Go tera fairy miraidon

[haughty crag]

can it still delete everything then?

[jovial creek]

It's still a specs Miraidon

Id change meowscarada to whimsicott for a tailwind mode

And then make farigiraf electric seed

[strange sparrow]

I see, so it just lets me use it one more time

But i can totally switch out

But is committing to that strategy worth it?

I want to make a team without stealing from pros

Which is why im currently trying to build a team from scratch focusing on a strategy that isnt seen very often

[jovial creek]

No i don't think so

[strange sparrow]

I really want to make a team that includes sinistcha and being annoying

I don’t know I’m trying to think here

Centered around using slow Pokemon, maybe having one fast one just incase i cant get trick room off

Im thinking like

Caly-i, maybe porygon2

Sinistcha, ursaluna

Incineroar possibly

Possibly even terapagos

Holy mistypes

What are thoughts?

[jovial creek]

That sounds all over the place

[strange sparrow]

Youre right, im just throwing ideas around

I just need a base to start with

I do want to use terapagos

Terapagos should work with sinistcha

Considering sinistcha learns trick room

I could purposely make terapagos slow

And recharge its tera shell with hospitality

[ripe turret]

that is actually a team that I ran very early in reg i

[strange sparrow]

Do great minds think alike

[ripe turret]

lmao

idk if it was any good

I did hit top 100 ladder with it

but like

[strange sparrow]

👀

[ripe turret]

that’s not very impressive when nobody knows what they’re doing lmao

[strange sparrow]

Did you end up giving it another try though

[ripe turret]

nah, I ended up changing it a lot

but it was a cool idea

[strange sparrow]

Well it just needs redirection

[ripe turret]

I can try to recover it if you want to see it

[strange sparrow]

Yeah could i see it?

Ill try to see if i could improve it in anyway

[ripe turret]

ok

you might need to give me a while though

because I’m at school currently and likely won’t have time to remake it until later

I’ll ping you or smth

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/3eb4498f08f61358

im getting clapped by zama help

[jovial creek]

Have you tried korai and just bombing it

[hearty tide]

bruh but zama+incin cooks me on korai

cuz defense buff + atk decrease

[strange sparrow]

Try replacing raging bolt with chi yu then

Chi yu benefits from the sun, and adds fire moves like overheat which normally one shot zenta if im not mistaken

But i can be wrong

[ripe turret]

what about just like clamulet koraidon or smth

[strange sparrow]

Factual

[ripe turret]

like imma be so fr if you’re losing to zama with this team it might not be a team issue

koraidon just straight up nukes it

and intimidate is mostly offset by the life orb

like ok tera I guess

[strange sparrow]

koraidon should have cc and flare blitz you shouldnt be dying to zenta

[ripe turret]

@strange sparrow here’s the sinistcha pagos team https://pokepast.es/45cd1b3afbaf1267

it’s not very good

and obviously the EVs are incomplete as I don’t remember them all

[strange sparrow]

i see the vision here

it looks feasible but not enough for the meta

[ripe turret]

yeah lol

that’s why I said it only really worked at the very beginning when nobody knew what they were doing

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/eddf251dcd822cbd This is the 2nd Reg I team i made using the big fish himself Kyorge! anyways I need to check If this is good enough to be playable in tournaments thanks!

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[strange sparrow]

does anyone have a fake tears flutter mane spread

[marsh frigate]

https://pokepast.es/825db1d8aaf628fd this is the first vgc team i’ve ever made i wanna know what you guys think about it

[umbral roost]

T-blast fire Kyogre..?

Go thunder.

[marsh frigate]

ok

[random wagon]

1. This isn’t really the place to ask, I recommend asking in thr Smogon VGC Discord Server.

2. Don’t use Fake Tears Flutter Mane for any reason

[random wagon]

looks solid, although you probably dont need to bulk on smeargle

also fake out on smeargle can be dropped for wide guard if you want

[jovial creek]

Fake tears flutter mane is a thing

There's a Japanese csr pagos team with it

[random wagon]

idt its worth it

[clever imp]

oh okay what should be the Evs for smeargle?

[jovial creek]

It was also my recommendation

[random wagon]

prob max hp max speed jolly since you dont need offense, complex evs arent super necessary on a sash mon

i mean you can prob stick with the OG EVs if they are for something in particular

[clever imp]

okay

[random wagon]

Psychic > Grass Knot
GKnot is really niche and you hit more with Psychic, notably AV Iron Hands and Zamazenta-C (Wide Guard avoids Astral Barrage).

Rain Dance > Dark Pulse
DPulse Tornauds is just kind of mid, Rain Dance further strengthens your lines into Koraidon and Groudon.

Change the Urshifu-R set to a Focus Sash, Mystic Water, or Choice Scarf set.

For Focus Sash, I would run Tera Stellar with Surging Strikes, Close Combat, Aqua Jet/Taunt and Protect

Mystic Water would be the same but with Tera Water or potentially domething defensive like Grass.

If you choose Choice Scarf, Tera Water/Ghost with the same set as the Sash build but with U-turn over Protect is advised.

Rillaboom really wants Assault Vest, as it does nice into Miraidon and Lunala. Protect and Tera Blast don’t really belong on Rillaboom, replace those with Wood Hammer and U-turn/High Horsepower. Tera Fire is also advised for CIR, a common partner of Miraidon as of now.

I don’t really understand Basculegion when you already have Urshifu-R, replace it with Incineroar or something else that can support you into Wide Guard.

[marsh frigate]

thank you

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/34cdd07f8ec5d12f

(reg I tailroom team)

A weakness I noticed when playing was that I struggle against opposing trick room teams even when im running amoonguss. Besides that, is there something I should change?

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[broken shuttle]

it feels a little slow to me, with tailroom you usally want a fast tailwind setter like roaring moon so that you’re able to get more immediate speed control

i think i would start with the core of urshifu/roaring moon/calyrex/lando-i

you should also definitely run more speed on your calyrex

so that you can actually use it in tailwind

[broken shuttle]

i think the core of this team is kind of just off

hearthflame/amoonguss/ho-oh is really awkward

and bloodmoon doesn’t rly add a whole lot here

[inner basin]

😭

Alright

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/bc4eba6890782303

i think something like this can do what you're going for a lot better

you can mess around with the mons/sets/second restricted but the core is pretty solid

[inner basin]

Oh, that’s actually really nice. Ill give it a try

Thanks

[broken shuttle]

ofc !

[broken shuttle]

i wasn't on my computer earlier so i couldn't wip smth up lol meant to

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/434e08f7bf63e718 Hey its been 1 day turns out I have a 50/50 win rate with this team what do I need to change?

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[jovial creek]

What are you losing to

[clever imp]

like koridon, zama, a lot to miridon, caly shadow

[jovial creek]

For miraidon have you tried just going for tera fairy play rough

Csr try to use urshifu

Other 2 I think you could go lando I over smeargle

[sleek laurel]

Pro tip

Tera Fairy +1 Play Rough OHKOs Miraidon

Even if it

Goes for Tera Fairy of its own

So there’s no mindgame to that

[sleek laurel]

Is Smeargle Kyogre the new Reg I cook btw

I’ve seen so much of that on the Bo3 ladder

Whereas it didn’t exist in G

It feels like it’s bait but I have seen enough for me to be unsure

[jovial creek]

Idk

[rough jay]

https://pokepast.es/a90812b9cb6e2dfd

[drifting onyx]

Hey @rough jay, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9anythinggoes team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1208795569649356820 instead.

[rough jay]

Stfu

[jovial creek]

It's correct

[sleek laurel]

LOL we in the same boat

[jovial creek]

This isn't the channel for that metagame

[sand minnow]

he

just came from ums

[broken shuttle]

💀

[sand minnow]

ok tbf

[sand minnow]

technically followed instructions

[untold relic]

https://pokepast.es/b2a40c4d7478ffdf
this shouldn't ping please

alr
possibly the craziest cook of my life

[broken shuttle]

this is weird

icl

but i don't like

immediately hate it

tickle goth is definitely troll tho

do not use tickle goth

[untold relic]

💀
idk what other move to put on goth tbh 90% of the time it's fake out protect

[broken shuttle]

i would go like

fake out tect psychic tr

and drop p2

for like incin

[untold relic]

psychic can't hit darks
not that it matters too much since goth is never winning vs darks
but at least you chunk csr lunala

p2 for incin I have not tested

though I probably should

p2 just deletes any and all lunala csr which stops perish

[untold relic]

I'll test the P2 / Incin
thoughts on the others

[broken shuttle]

tail is p linear

same w. zama

im gen just not sure kyo is the move here tho

[untold relic]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

need something for korai

[broken shuttle]

mm

true

[untold relic]

it handles mirai decently w/ moonguss as long as it doesn't fucking crit drift twice in a row

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[untold relic]

worst matchups are probably like
incin rilla shifu-rs spamming pshot uturn all day

[broken shuttle]

i would go cloak amoon fs

[untold relic]

hmm ye makes sense

[broken shuttle]

and actually

i think scarf ursh>p2 makes a lot of sense here

bc u can revenge ko csr + clean in rain well late game

[untold relic]

lunala mu gets worse though
esp the cm ones

*seed

ah wtv will test

[broken shuttle]

i would just cm war that

ngl

you should be able to win btwn amoon zama goth

[lavish nexus]

https://pokepast.es/3bc8b319679b4116
Debating if I should use a more offensive bundle

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[sleek laurel]

This is pretty nice but I don’t vibe with the farig set

Nasty Plot + Baton Pass isn’t it esp when you have only one specially offensive mon and it already eviscerates everything that moves

Miraidon doesn’t need to be at +2

Oh, and Wild Charge > Heavy Slam on Hands has been considered better again

Heavy Slam fell a bit out of the meta I feel

[lavish nexus]

+2 freeze dry can sweep tho

[lavish nexus]

I thought about it, but the fairy effectiveness is quite good

If it's still better to use wild charge then I could swap tho

[kindred burrow]

https://pokepast.es/8e782d2b5d6f9bcf

This is my first attempt making a sun team I have no idea if hooh is good now

I'm assuming koriadon is the meta sun setter as opposed to groudon but idk

[kindred burrow]

Changed tbolt to Tera electric Tera blast on ho-oh so I could keep it as a physical set

[lavish nexus]

amoonguss dies really quickly against opposing hooh

[kindred burrow]

ah

[lavish nexus]

Also u turn with lorb isn't great

[kindred burrow]

Alright should I get rid of u turn or lorb

[lavish nexus]

U turn, lorb is way more viable than amulet rn

[kindred burrow]

Done

[lavish nexus]

Also try add some counterplay to kyogre

[kindred burrow]

I'm wondering if I should take out the indeedee armourouge and throw in something else (booster hands or something)

Hands gives a slightly better match up into mirror hooh and kyogre I think

[lavish nexus]

If you do you want rilla, miraidon is one of the best in the meta rn

[kindred burrow]

Very good point actually I was hesitant because of opposing sun though

Do you think the restricted combo is good?

[lavish nexus]

I think I remember there being a couple at regionals

The restricteds are good, but I think your core is flimsy

Aside from those two the rest don't compliment each other well

[kindred burrow]

Understood

[lavish nexus]

I'd recommend looking at the koraidon teams at regionals

I think wolf had one

[kindred burrow]

Would tailwind ho-oh be as terrible as I think it would be

[jovial creek]

I'm gonna make some changes and I'll send here

But

Armarouge and amoonguss don't fit

Ho-oh should be tailwind

[kindred burrow]

Oh I've changed the whole team up

Okay cool

[jovial creek]

And a lot of the sets need shuffling

https://pokepast.es/198d2b7c13e2f696

[kindred burrow]

The support mons are now rillaboom and thundurus, I put on specs flutter mane, and I'm wondering what my last should be

[jovial creek]

Use this

[kindred burrow]

Alright

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/5a9781c665239a9d i feel like this works well but i just dont know anything about landorus so might need help with him

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[broken shuttle]

thsi is good, i only have 3 smallish issues

i don’t think brave rilla or knock off rilla are very good

i would go wood hammer over knock fs

you really want the burst damage from hammer- it OHKOs most calyrex anyways already

grass lando/grass knot lando aren’t great

i would go sandsear storm to give yoursekf a strong spread move, and make landorus’s tera poison

[sleek laurel]

Wild Charge is stronger against every relevant fairy other than Flutter Mane which dies to both

And ig Iron Valiant which still dies to both

Might’ve forgotten some idk

But the point is Wild Charge is also way better against most Tera Fairy users

[broken shuttle]

also idt the kyogre set is great

tera grass is better for ignoring amoonguss and water spout is better than thunder for its immediate powrr

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

works otherwise

[hearty tide]

best ogerpon form?

[spiral gale]

from what Ive seen

rock mask

[sleek laurel]

Very team dependant

But in a vacuum

It’s between Fire and Rock

Hearthflame and Cornerstone, whatever you wanna call them

[broken shuttle]

there is only one way

wellspring hearthflame cornerpon tealpon

👍

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/af2fbc82f88a958e
I think this team is great, and has done amazing in many scenarios. However, the main problem I see is TR with Ursa and Caly. Best way I handle it is min speed Incin and now carrying taunt on my Whimms.

My own e terrain stopping psy terrain from blocking priority taunt helps plenty too.

I think just TR is my worst matchup, but overall, this team has provided consistent results. I have already asked for a rating, but this is with some updates I have asked for earlier.

Are there more optimal EV spreads though? I love my offensive Groudon, and I think everything but Incin's spreads are fine.

I believe personally this is the best team I could have made with this core, and so far I've gotten 1300 as a new player in VGC that doesn't have much time to play either. Advice will be taken though, so thank you!

[sleek laurel]

True…

[broken shuttle]

walking wake is really redundant here

you already have a rly fast & strong dragon in the form of miraidon

running both is kind of unnecessary

something good you could try there is taunt ogerpon cornerstone

it helps a lot into trick room & provides redirection for your restricteds

[umbral roost]

Alright, wouldn’t heartflame be better though?

Under sun.

[broken shuttle]

mmm

not necessarily

it can work there

fs

i would test both and see which fits best

[umbral roost]

Alright.

[broken shuttle]

i think i would also go for a bulkier groudon spread

there isn't really all that much you need max speed for

and the bulk helps into basically everything

Groudon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 188 HP / 132 Atk / 92 Def / 28 SpD / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Precipice Blades
• Heat Crash
• Stone Edge
• Protect

this is a good spread that should get you a lot of damage while not compromising bulk as much

[umbral roost]

Best Ogre EV’s?

[broken shuttle]

max/max for cornerstone

for hearthflame

Ogerpon-Hearthflame @ Hearthflame Mask
Level: 50
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 188 HP / 76 Atk / 52 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Wood Hammer
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

[untold relic]

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@broken shuttle
ty for suggesting the urshifu
broke 1200 in bo3 no losses so far

also keeping Tickle on Gothitelle no other move has proved more useful
maybe Charm but Tickle fucks over Zamazenta

[broken shuttle]

glad to hear!

[hearty tide]

is tera stellar fluttermane tera blast still good?

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Tera Blast
• Protect
• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/0b3d10c2184f524d

Very standard team but i was wondering if there are any optimizations i could make to the team before making it on cart

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[sleek laurel]

Is there a logic behind using Wisp on CSR rather than Incineroar?

Since you do have an Incineroar

[pallid saffron]

Its faster and also running flareblitz on incin feels better than wisp when i was testing

[sleek laurel]

Flare Blitz on Incin is fine

I’m not sure if you want Wisp Caly here tho

[pallid saffron]

what should i change it for? I tried psychic but it felt kinda off

[sleek laurel]

Mono attacking Ghost is really struggly into stuff like Zamazenta or the Normals esp since you don’t have a Fighting-type but it might be fine

I think Psychic is really just better but honestly you can keep Wisp, just beware of Normals and Wide Guard

Everything else looks fine

[pallid saffron]

alr ty

[sleek laurel]

Wait

You’re running 252 Def on Ogerpon

Not Attack

I assume that’s a misinput? Lol

[pallid saffron]

oh wha

misinput lol

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

Yea happens to all of us LOL

[sleek laurel]

I am also decidedly a Wood Hammer Cornerstone hater because breaking Sturdy has never been worth the 15% accuracy in my mouth, but that’s entirely preference and it’s not unviable by any means

Just if you think you need the redirection more often than Grass-type STAB

You can do Power Whip or Horn Leech

Keep an eye out for that but it’s really all three work

[pallid saffron]

I have missed to many powerwhips back in reg G

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[pallid saffron]

i might use horn leech over it

[sleek laurel]

Horn Leech could work too

Do keep in mind it doesn’t OHKO rapidshifu

But actually

Since you have Rillaboom

Horn Leech might be actually optimal here

Because you get enough Grass-type offensive presence, the Grassy Terrain boost, and it can reactivate Sturdy in the face of Fake Out users trying to block redirection, as well as Aqua Jet Urshifu

[pallid saffron]

yeah i think ill run horn leech on it

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I’d try it out

Other than that it looks perfect

[pallid saffron]

alr ty

[sleek laurel]

Np and gl

Just a question btw, your Rillaboom is extremely bulky

Not to say that’s bad or criticize it, but what’s the benchmark?

Just curious lol

[pallid saffron]

miraidon draco in e terrain iirc

its niche but it helps a couple times

[sleek laurel]

Holy

Yea that’s valid

Yea that’s it

Alright man gl

[umbral roost]

I prefer horn leech, the potential for that sturdy back is really good if you get chipped.

[sleek laurel]

I like Horn Leech in Rilla teams

Particularly*

Outside of Rilla teams then it depends a bit on what you want your Ogerpon to do

But getting Sturdy back in the face of priority is particularly good

[inner basin]

https://pokepast.es/39575625e321aa0f

i have ran into any problems with my core. I am a bit unsure if i should either run protect, dazzling gleam or taunt on flutter mane. Besides that, is there anything I should change?

[umbral roost]

Flutter needs protect.

And wood hammer on RockPon is a lil mid because you lose your sturdy.

Recommending horn leech, power whip is always risky but also worth it too.

Min speed on Incin is good too for TR.

[jovial creek]

This looks fine

What have you been struggling with

[inner basin]

Trick room teams, and prankster tailwind setters like whimscott

[jovial creek]

You could try taunt over shadow ball

[umbral roost]

You can use your own trick room setter to stop trick room.

And you can also reverse the speed rolls with trick room.

[jovial creek]

That doesn't really work in practice

[umbral roost]

Also fair.

But that’s one way to stop.

I agree with taunt on Flutter, but it always need protect imo.

Just being able to stall turns with sash and protect.

I find that really nice.

[jovial creek]

That's why I said over shadow ball

[umbral roost]

I would say over icy wind but there’s no tailwind, so I’m not sure.

[jovial creek]

You need speed control

[umbral roost]

Yeah, that is true.

So I’m really not sure how to work around the TR and tailwind teams other than either stalling it out, using the bulk you have on your team, or using Lunala to reverse the speed roles.

Like you said, the team look fine.

Just the only methods I see are those.

[umbral roost]

Min speed Incin is always there too.

0 IVS, - speed.

It underspeeds Lunala and some Ursaluna and Iron Hands if it’s tailroom.

I say run tera water on Incin to resist glacial lance from Caly along with being neutral to high horsepower.

But ghost works too, better against Ursaluna.

Not too many changes to make, just plays.

[inner basin]

Alright

Btw, would it be a good idea to tun u-turn over flame charge on koraidon for positional pressure?

[umbral roost]

Not in my personal opinion, flame charge lets you outspeed tailwind mons.

High base speed and flame charge is needed imo.

[inner basin]

Alright. Thanks

[umbral roost]

No problem vro, have fun laddering. 👍✌️

[lavish nexus]

It dies too quick to make real use of it

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/e43a862acc24baf4
Quick build didnt put much thought into it

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[jovial creek]

Looks solid

I'd be a little afraid of incin

But it should be good

[unborn hull]

I chose incin > farigiraf, since with koraidon players not running clear amulet much, and that i just dont think farigiraf is that solid tbh, i went with in my opinion the strongest pokemon of all time

[broken shuttle]

that’s fine, to be clear he was saying to be careful of opposing incin

[unborn hull]

Oh ok

[rancid oasis]

https://pokepast.es/93f8a8c4883cc0c6 What do y'all think about the team? Idk if this counts as incomplete because it's open team sheet as I don't wanna leak the evs since I wanna use it for tournament play

But I wanted to build around Ting-Lu and use it's strengths

[ripe turret]

what’s the reasoning for some of the sets? like drum beating rilla over wood hammer, magnet over booster or smth on bolt, and specs flutter

not saying that the sets are bad, just wanted to hear the reasoning

in the pursuit of knowledge

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/7be03c574c87dd07 the main thing im wondering about is if i should run sitrus over eseed on volc. Also im pretty worried about rockpon against this team. Haven't found one yet but its 1/8 crit chance and the rock typing just feels like it would do really well against my team. Any changes i could make regarding my worries?

[broken shuttle]

ots is fine to submit,

i think i would make 2 changes here:

1. replace zamazenta with koraidon
2. make flutter mane focus sash w/ icy wind + tect over dgleam + pgem

basically this adds a more solid offensive backbone to the team, as before with zamazenta the team was definitely a little more passive— koraidon synergizes well with the two protosynthesis mons you already have and with ting lu + ho-oh

[broken shuttle]

immediately would go iron hands>>rillaboom

rilla feels super unnecessary here + hands helps the issue w. cornerstone

i don't think you really need both volcarona and cm lunala

you could maybe keep volcarona and make lunala power herb or eseed

i think i would drop volcarona for your own ogerpon-c and make lunala electric seed

& test from there to see what works

you could also shift to the mirai/lunala team that won the regional with a few edits

https://pokepast.es/06cbcab43c2f4c8c

personally not the biggest fan of CB ursh, and if you'd prefer you could test specs mirai

basically if you switch up some moves/items/sets you'll have a better time as it can disrupt ppl's lines into it

i think overall though you really want to use ursaluna grimmsnarl with mirai lunala

[broken shuttle]

if you want to stick with the volc idea smth that could work nicely is like

rilla incin -> iron hands ursaluna

[rancid oasis]

Drum beating is a mistake, it should totally be wood hammer I just forgot to change it as I copied the spread from another team I had. Magnet is overall more consistent damage for me, I like booster but Raging Bolt does get forced out by pokemon like Zacian, Groudon, Miraidon, CIR etc etc. I will say that I did change the magnet recently to Life orb so it does more damage in general. I prefer specs flutter mane for the damage output it has, as well as the same reasoning that it gets forced out at many points because the booster set lacks the damage I want for my team.

[rancid oasis]

I’ll test it out, but the team would need more changes to be made as this makes the CIR matchup much worse in my opinion

I prefer the utility Zamazenta brings to the team anyhow

[broken shuttle]

if you're dedicated to keeping zama

then i'd drop flutter mane

[rancid oasis]

I’d be down to drop it, not sure what I would drop it for

[broken shuttle]

i was thinking you could do

like a scarf urshifu probably

[rancid oasis]

Yeah I don’t hate that

[broken shuttle]

even sash works asw since you have tw

[rancid oasis]

I do want something that pressures Koraidon though

[broken shuttle]

you do have ho-oh

which walls koraidon entirely

well

"walls"

[rancid oasis]

Yeah I know

But Koraidon gets paired with Bolt a lot

I need more testing but for now, Flutter has worked pretty well for me

[broken shuttle]

im not the biggest fan of specs flutter post reg-f

it gets outdamaged pretty easily

also it doesn't even rly help w. koraidon besides forcing tera

which you don't even particularly take advantage of with the rest of the six

[rancid oasis]

Fair

I still think it does a lot of damage though

More than the booster set

[broken shuttle]

ofc, it's just a lot less consistent than it used to be

[rancid oasis]

Very true as well, idk I haven’t found anything that I like more than it yet

[broken shuttle]

ah i got it

chien-pao ofc

https://pokepast.es/c4a88260d6aec931

i think if you go clam ho-oh & add pao it solves a lot of the issues you might otherwise have with how passive the team is

[rancid oasis]

I've liked clear amulet in the past, but I find it makes Ho-Oh less defensive, which is good, but it makes it worse at being defensive. I like lefties because Ho-Oh can offset the recoil from brave bird, and Incin gets clocked hard by my Zamazenta anyhow

I haven't had any issues yet

[broken shuttle]

i think if you do go for pao

you need clam

[rancid oasis]

Oh yeah

[broken shuttle]

bc w. pao incin gets a lot more value into you

[rancid oasis]

I'm probably not going Pao though

I don't think it fits with Ting-Lu

[broken shuttle]

i think games just don't last long enough for lefties to make a significant difference

[broken shuttle]

it does

pao basically just lets you accelerate w. zama or ho-oh

which is smth the team was kind of lacking before imo

a little too passive

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/621dea72a0e1ec28 anyone know what could fit in this team here, I never bring farig

[drifting onyx]

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[lost phoenix]

I think the issue is moreso arch tbh

U have nothing for the mirai mirror

I also think this should just be spout hydro pump mystic water kyogre

Probably make farigiraf a proper set (trick room hhand foul play psynoise is a good set)