VGC Rates

[humble lichen]

you got tons of heavy hitters with Ice Calyrex, Necrozma, Torkoal, and Ursaluna

Indeedee for room and damage amplification with helping hand

oh yeah and 252+ attack glacial lance * 2 because of Oranguru Instruct

[jovial creek]

yeah thats the point

[humble lichen]

horse goes brrr

good team i'd say

+1 252 SpA Expanding Force in Psychic Terrain also goes brrrr so that's really cool
Tera Water Dawn Necrozma also looks really cool on cart with all its reflections so that's nice

[snow star]

https://pokepast.es/d2a91eb35fbaf63c

[broken shuttle]

you need wood hammer on rilla, grassy glide is too weak— drop knock off for it

ursh should be offensive tera (water or stellar) and adamant. you don't actually need jolly for anything and miss important rolls, stellar helps CC pick up opposing terapagos while water picks up opposing csr. drop poison jab for aqua jet also, you don't need to be able to hit grass types or fairy types with urshifu

drop dual screens for protect and after you, you already reduce damage to your partners with friend guard so dual screens are redundant and don't rly even help u all that much

also go tera dark or normal on caly, they're better for the mirror

[sleek laurel]

As an add-on to what gephicka said, I’d also recommend changing some of your EV spreads, mainly on Tornadus and obviously Clefairy which has none for now

Torn really wants to be bulky if you’re running Cloak (which is the set to run but anyway) because its not there to deal damage and the bulk usually lets it get at least two moves off frequently

An option is to also run a bulkier Caly-S spread but idt that’s as important, mostly preference

And last things last is that because of how EVs work in VGC, you can give your Terapagos 4 Speed by taking off 4 from Defense without losing any actual Defense

Other than that just do what geph said and you should be golden

👍

[vast path]

it feels very feast or famine

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/ce8a5ca09759a5da anything yall wanna recommend to make this team better

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/2c4493a435a7f695 thoughts? i made it (vgc reg i)

[gloomy birch]

Use conerstone ogerpon instead of wellspring

what happens when rillaboom and incin hit the field and turn off psychic terrain and taunt you

[jovial creek]

Don't let that happen

Idk

[nimble flame]

I love this team im ngl

[jovial creek]

That's what we are here for

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[nimble flame]

Oranguru supremacy

[obsidian wadi]

https://pokepast.es/671177801a40f944

if anyone doesn’t mind rating my team since I’m new it’d be greatly appreciated as I win about half the time and don’t know if it’s due to the team missing something or my lack of competitive experience

[nimble flame]

What are the ivs?

[jovial creek]

What are you losing to

[nimble flame]

Also please put close combat on urs

[jovial creek]

But i will make some edits when I have time

[obsidian wadi]

greatly appreciated sorry I think the ivs didn’t last properly I’ll go check that out but they should be set to 31 except for physical attack on my special attackers

[jovial creek]

They meant evs I think

[obsidian wadi]

https://pokepast.es/f7dea1f13c50bd26

[obsidian wadi]

I notice I lose to miridons and calyerx but I do manage to beat them sometimes

iron hands is another big one

And trick room teams

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/9d81dd8f235c2f28

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/2378d09f2cc38518

@obsidian wadi

some more things to consider

chien pao could fit over one of the fake out bros

kyogre could be tera water and you add farigiraf over a fake out bro

[nimble flame]

Miraidon will always be a issue i feel just cuz his team relies heavily on electric terrain which thanks to his ability he boosts and his attacks are 1.3x effective so that means electro drift is doing alot of damage

Rilla is a great counter to stopping his terrain

[obsidian wadi]

alright thanks so much for the advice I’ll definitely try the suggestions out and report back later if I need further help I’m hoping to try and start competing in local tournaments this season

[nimble flame]

Grassy surge rilla is such a great mon

[nimble flame]

Gl

I have to stick to showdown till i get a switch

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/2c4493a435a7f695 thoughts? i made it (vgc reg i)

[tribal void]

imo put trick room on at least indeedee or lunala

need some kind of speed control

[jovial creek]

are we gonna talk about the sabelye

add koraidon over groudon imo

the aforementioned lunala change

eh

I just

[tribal void]

fake out on indeedee is also

like

[jovial creek]

wouldn't run psyspam me thinks

[tribal void]

you're setting up psy terrain

so fake out doesn't really work out

on indeedee

[jovial creek]

gephicka typing an absolute essay rn

[tribal void]

lmao

[broken shuttle]

ok shush

[jovial creek]

reply to message

[broken shuttle]

#1059704283072831499 message

ahhhh

[jovial creek]

no one knows who you are talking about

good one brother

[broken shuttle]

shooting the computer

[tribal void]

something about solgaleo not being very good

[broken shuttle]

yeah i can retype

just annoying

[tribal void]

yeah

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/dec20d0d12b94877

[tribal void]

another thing im pretty sure very defensive sets of ogerpon hearthflame use horn leech over wood hammer

[jovial creek]

made changes

wood hammer is fine

I'd say thats just preference

[tribal void]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

horn leech is pretty tragic

[tribal void]

ive seen mostly leech tho on the defensive sets

[broken shuttle]

IMO

[tribal void]

id assume its cause of healing

but it does so little

[broken shuttle]

it's ok on hearthflame where u can tera for atk boost

but cornerstone needs pwhip

[torpid mason]

Did you want this message back?

[broken shuttle]

oh my gosh yes please

[south token]

i love groudon

[broken shuttle]

🐐

[south token]

im not changing my goat

[jovial creek]

yeah

I changed my mind

you need it for mirai

[jovial creek]

@broken shuttle why the react

[south token]

why walking wake?

[jovial creek]

idk

needed a last mon

its speed

special attacker

water type

helps into zama and stuff

go fire punch groudon btw

[broken shuttle]

[tribal void]

team defo needs some faster mon imo

[south token]

its better heat crash

ngl

[broken shuttle]

it has speed booster wake

[tribal void]

yeah

[broken shuttle]

oh wait

yeah

[jovial creek]

yeah now it does

because I'm awesome

[broken shuttle]

don't use LO wake

that shit is so ass

[south token]

lo?

[broken shuttle]

specs is way better

by far

[jovial creek]

there isn't a better set

specs is hot ass

[broken shuttle]

life orb

[jovial creek]

you need

to switch moves

[broken shuttle]

me when you miss every damage roll in existence

[south token]

so what should i change?

[jovial creek]

what does specs ever let you do

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/dec20d0d12b94877

rn this is my team

i like it

ty pet

[jovial creek]

yeah its so cook

if

wake misses a bunch of kos

make it specs

[tribal void]

who needs specs

[broken shuttle]

everything

[south token]

k

[jovial creek]

dm calcs

[tribal void]

when scarf chi yu got that sun boosted fire moves

[south token]

scarf?

[jovial creek]

don't change anything now

[south token]

nvm

[jovial creek]

I'm just saying

[south token]

oh

k

[jovial creek]

if walking wake leaves a lot of things on

10%

you can change the item to choice specs

but thats up to you

[south token]

lemme do the calcs

my calc isnt working

😭

[tribal void]

244 SpA Life Orb Walking Wake Dragon Pulse vs. 92 HP / 4 SpD Tera-Dragon Zamazenta-Crowned: 135-164 (75.4 - 91.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO damn

draco would kill fr

[jovial creek]

you could go draco

I don't like spa drops

[tribal void]

and miss chance

stacking on pblades and meteor beam

i prefer draco for damage but if you hate accuracy and spatk drop stick with pulse

[south token]

zamazenta tera dragon?

its common?

[tribal void]

tdragon is very common defensive typing for zama

[jovial creek]

very

its the main set

[south token]

so dragon pulse or draco?

with c specs

or i should bring lifeorb?

[tribal void]

go with life orb to test prob

[jovial creek]

go life orb

[tribal void]

and if its barely not picking up kills maybe try specs

[jovial creek]

and you can choose

if dragon pulse or draco

[broken shuttle]

(it will fail u btw)

[south token]

imma go dragon pulse

[tribal void]

oh definetly wake is always mid to me

[south token]

rn its like this walking wake

Walking Wake @ Life Orb
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 12 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Hydro Steam
• Dragon Pulse
• Weather Ball
• Protect

[jovial creek]

yeah thats good

[south token]

wait

[jovial creek]

try it out and see what you think

[south token]

why u changed sucker punch in brute bonnet?

its for oneshoting shadow caly and other lunalas

[jovial creek]

you have indeedee

[broken shuttle]

could i get this back pls

[jovial creek]

so you would block your own sucker

spore is plenty into them

[tribal void]

it already didn't have sucker in the original no?

[jovial creek]

because your partners like

lunala and groudon can deal with it

also that yeah

[tribal void]

i think its fine if you don't bring indeedee

but like

depends on how often or required indeedee is imo

[south token]

does it block ur own sucker?

i didnt know that

[broken shuttle]

it does

[tribal void]

it blocks priority on both sides

[south token]

dang

[tribal void]

as long as the pokemon is grounded

which is not flying or doesn't have levitate

[broken shuttle]

you can also still side-target priority in psyterrain

hilariously

[tribal void]

i wonder if someone could side target wisp in misty

i don't think so

also drop cloak on bonnet

cloak with terrain doesn't make too much sense

since fake out is being blocked

id use rocky helmet over covert cloak imo

[jovial creek]

Eh

I liked it

[broken shuttle]

cloak is fine

it's good into double fake out csr stuff

same logic as covert amoonguss

[tribal void]

yeah ig

i personally like helmet just cause psychic terrain is already there

but psychic terrain could be overriden by grassy

[broken shuttle]

hi so, first off solgaleo isn't viable at all- its typing is rly bad and it's pretty weak, i'd suggest replacing it with zamazenta-c
you need protect on calyrex, drop shadow ball for it, also drop tera blast for nasty plot, since you have clefable you can afford to run setup & tera blast fairy is pretty inconsistent
i wouldn't go adamant incin here since u only have knock off, go bold or careful and put all your atk evs into def
go bulkier on your tornadus if you're going cloak, non-sash torn needs to be able to take a lot more hits and needs the bulk
i don't think wellspring is very good but it's probably fine here, i would go bulkier bc idt you rly need that much speed on it

i would run it at 155-157 to creep max speed modest landorus/fm in tailwind/timid kyogre

depending on what you want

u need 157 to creep timid ogre and 154 is enough for booster speed fm in tailwind and max modest lando

bundle isn't real but you could technically go 155 to outspeed it in tw (it also creeps mons going for 154 for the reasons given above)

[humble lichen]

if you really want to use solgaleo use dusk mane necrozma as at least that's half decent (not that much but eh)

[hazy hamlet]

if i use ndm itll be frailer bc of the heavilty reduced hp, and its slower, i dont want to have to be bringing torn to every battle so solgaleo is better on this team than ndm, and plus, if i do use ndm ill be dropping full metal body for prism armor, forcing me to run clear amulet instead of something better like for example: choice band, assault vest, damaging boosting items like charcoal,metal coat

[hazy hamlet]

i decided to give csr tera fairy tera blast because draining kiss is too weak at 50 bp, when tera blast is 80bp(100bp if tera stellar) the usage of shadow ball instead of something like protect is to counter wide guard, and still do great ghost type damage against common wide guard users like zama-c, pelipper, smeargle

[sleek laurel]

Draining Kiss is 60->90 with Tera

There is a clause on Terastallizing

Every non-multi hit and non-prio move

That’s lower than 60 BP and matches your Tera Type becomes 60 BP

[hazy hamlet]

which is still weaker than tera fairy tera blast's 90 bp

always

[sleek laurel]

80

And yes true but it has its advantages in healing and not being ABSOLUTELY reliant on Tera

[torpid mason]

I posted the screenshot, that was the full contents ._.

Did you want the text? I can’t just restore it to chat where it was, I figured a screenshot sufficed.

[sleek laurel]

Shadow Ball is still not worth it

If you’re that worried about Wide Guard just click a Psychic-type move or your Fairy-type move

Shadow Ball is Specs tech, else you can run setup very often after which you can plummet through Dark-types with Draining Kiss

And if you run Tera Blast then same thing but bulkier Darks

I’m ngl I was a Tera Blast advocate for a while but Shadow Ball is always Specs tech

[sleek laurel]

Or wait not even

Just Protect/Psychic-type move

What am I on I miscounted the slots for a bit

[broken shuttle]

yeah i figured it out after a bit LOL ty

[fallen tree]

Rmt please. Reg I console. Looking to replace Milo with a better intim punisher potentially
https://pokepast.es/c2cc6ae39be7d16a

[broken shuttle]

hi, i think this team has a few good ideas alongside a couple notable flaws

Chien-Pao
mostly good! you need priority on chien-pao though so go sucker punch> throat chop and swap your tera to ghost in order to dodge fake out
Flutter Mane
this set is fine, I would definitely suggest some slight EV adjustments and swapping to tera fairy or normal + adding icy wind
Milotic
Milotic really just isn't any good, there are a lot of better ways to punish intimidate (see Groudon) I would suggest replacing Milotic with Tornadus to give your team som additional speed control into faster mons
Incineroar
definitely go knock off>throat chop, knock off gives you way more utility and is stronger into mons with items as it gets a 1.5x BP boost when used against mons with items. also, 16 and 32 are not numbers that give EVs at level 50, go 28 def and 20 spe, you could also definitely consider AV incineroar here in which case you would drop pshot for uturn
Groudon
i would definitely suggest going clear amulet here, you really want the intimidate block, also the EV spread and nature choice are a little odd— shadow claw is okay, but you already have two dark types and tera normal zacian, i would suggest going either swords dance or stomping tantrum in that last slot. I don't think fairy is a great tera type for groudon, i would suggest fire
Zacian
CC zacian isn't super great because you don't want to be cutting into its defenses and smth like sacred sword gives you a lot more utility in practice. also zacian really appreciates some bulk investment, and doesn't really need max speed for anything except for other zacian which you can handle with your own groudon and incineroar

paste with updates: https://pokepast.es/af4457e18199f604

[gloomy birch]

you are 5 big booms on PS?

[broken shuttle]

i am

[gloomy birch]

ok

[fallen tree]

Thank you for your help! Will definitely be redoing EV’s. Was just so used to building at level 100.

[sleek laurel]

Stomping Tantrum > High Horsepower Groudon is a thing?

[broken shuttle]

you run another ground move not to miss

[sleek laurel]

I thought you ran another Ground move to get around Wide Guard

All memes aside yea fair lol

[sleek laurel]

Stomping Tantrum also has secret synergy with Precipice Blades!

LMAO

[untold canopy]

https://pokepast.es/fca24f89dd079ec8

Thoughts on this team? It revolves mostly around trick room

I had a lot of help making it

But I’m not sure i agree to much on Urshifus evs

[sleek laurel]

Don’t think there’s anything objectively wrong with it

With the team I mean

About EVs, I actually agree with you

I usually like to run 60 HP / 156+ Atk / 20 Def / 20 SpD / 252 Spe on Scarf Urshifu, especially in Rain, which lives a Rillaboom Grassy Glide as well as a Kyogre Spout

And the Mon here that actually wants to run 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe is Ogerpon because it has Sturdy

[sleek laurel]

You could consider switching out Farigiraf for something like Incineroar to give Kyogre more setup opportunities but since this is CIR it might not be needed tbf

You can test that one out

And also Power Whip on Rockpon is a personal preference because it doesn’t break Sturdy, but you do you (though this one is a little more vehemently recommended tbh)

[sleek laurel]

(Btw this doesn’t mean that max Attack/max Speed Scarf Urshifu is bad in any way, I just prefer to live the Rilla Glide since that’s such a common way to check it, and the Attack loss is less noticeable in Rain because Surging does a billion anyway)

[untold canopy]

Alright thank you, i tried out the team a couple times and it worked a little. But the full speed and attack threw me off cause I didn’t wanna make a mistake and need to get a bunch of berries if it wasn’t ideal.

[untold canopy]

Yea, I just run it the way it is because I switch masks occasionally and I’ve had some success with it

[sleek laurel]

Oh fair, if it’s ingame stuff makes sense

I heavily recommend you to

Get two Ogerpon

From an alt save or something then

[untold canopy]

I’ll try to trade for one cause tbh this my first real save of violet without stopping

[sleek laurel]

Also Max Atk/Max Speed is still viable and solid, but I prefer the bulk and more strongly so in Rain

[sleek laurel]

Lmao fair

[untold canopy]

Yea I like survivability

[sleek laurel]

But you can do either and get away with it, it’s really just preference

[untold canopy]

Some Pokemon I understand

[sleek laurel]

Yea like

0 bulk for me in VGC

Is mostly for Sash or Sturdy mons

[untold canopy]

Like sash chien pao

[sleek laurel]

Ye

[sleek laurel]

One thing is that 252 Speed is mandatory

Not Jolly, but just 252 Speed

[untold canopy]

On which one?

[sleek laurel]

Because, when paired with Scarf, that’s EXACTLY what you need

Urshifu

[sleek laurel]

To outspeed Timid Calyrex-S

You hit 149 which is 223 with Scarf, while Calyrex-S hits 222

At level 50

[untold canopy]

Ohhh

That’s really cool tbh

[sleek laurel]

Yea lol

Lets you get away with Adamant

[untold canopy]

Yea, and with urshifus amazing ability it can prolly do a ton of damage to calyrex

I’m assuming

[sleek laurel]

Tera Water OHKOs

Without Rain

Or just with Rain by itself it OHKOs

[untold canopy]

What’s the buff of double type Tera? Like a water with water Tera

[sleek laurel]

STAB goes from 1.5x to 2x

So essentially a 1.3333x multiplicative increase

[untold canopy]

So it’s like hitting a super effective move

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Non-STAB supereffective yes

[untold canopy]

And it counters Koraidon really well

[sleek laurel]

How does it

Counter Koraidon?

[untold canopy]

If they Tera fire which has been my experience with them,

[sleek laurel]

Oh yea

They always run Tera Fire

But against a Kyogre Urshifu-R team

They likely don’t wanna Tera lol

[untold canopy]

True

Unless they feel they have to

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Against Koraidon my tip is get Trick Room up

Ice Rider and Kyogre both underspeed it

And then Glacial + Water move always KO it no matter what

Unless Protect

[untold canopy]

Yea, I appreciate the tip, and all of the help!

[sleek laurel]

Np lol

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/a5c439eaf06f1171 I have no idea if i just suck or not. The only matchup ive seen to run into problems with is twind calys and rain dance torn(either swordfish or just generally having the rain dance slot but mostly swordfish and calys twind)

would there be any addition that could help out with this without having other issues or is this kind of a skill issue

[sleek laurel]

This is a really hard one, I can see why twind Caly-s is a struggle

In terms of Rain teams you can usually try to make use of Brute Bonnet’s Spore and Rage Powder and Calyrex-S naturally being faster than anything in these teams bar Scarf Rapidshifu which gets bodied by Bonnet

But Tailwind Spout from Kyogre looks so scary in Rain

Thing is everything looks so integral here that it’s really hard to switch anything out

[sleek laurel]

One play is actually protect whoever you have that’s not called Flutter Mane and then Icy Wind the Kyogre & Torn on the Tailwind turn, then beat them up later (ofc this is for some specific scenarios but yes)

And try to abuse of them having to reset Rain if you switch Koraidon in because that does, in fact, take a turn

[sleek laurel]

As for this one I genuinely don’t know

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/6329377ea1b26f8b thoughts? i didnt go well using lunala groudon team so i want a more offensive team (reg i vgc)

[broken shuttle]

idl tsareena or eleki here

i would test tornadus + raging bolt/urshifu-s

[hardy abyss]

https://pokepast.es/400825c15669d7c3 my first team i ever made for comp looking for advice

[south token]

ive never used tornadus

i have some experience with raging bolt but no in reg i

and i never used urshifu s also

im using tsareena for preventing fake outs and smth like that

and eleki for stoping kyogre and tornadus

that are common rn

[broken shuttle]

i would test it there regardless

[broken shuttle]

eleki doesn't really do this

not well at least

[south token]

so who can make that job instead of regieleki?

[broken shuttle]

raging bolt

[south token]

with a offensive set?

[broken shuttle]

no

AV

[south token]

av?

[broken shuttle]

mb assault vest

[south token]

k

so what item should bring tsareena?

or tornadus

idk

[ripe turret]

pretty much all of your sets need fixing.

safety goggles on calyrex is basically useless here as you have electric terrain to block spore and its spread move ignores rage powder anyway, which is what you’re clicking most of the time. Calyrex also definitely needs protect in place of energy ball or psychic depending on whether you want another strong STAB move or coverage. You also 100% want timid instead of modest because that’s what almost all csr are running right now, and underspeeding opposing csr in the mirror puts you at a huge disadvantage.

Amoonguss’ EVs need some fixing, 244hp 244+def 20spdef lives cir’s glacial lance and adamant icicle crash from chien pao (to the best of my knowledge), you probably don’t need sludge bomb here either and I would replace it with protect. clear smog could work, but most amoonguss do run pollen puff for the healing. Also, 27 speed IVs underspeeds minimum speed cir in trick room, so you can put it to sleep before it gets an attack off which is pretty useful.

Miraidon doesn’t need flash cannon since it’s nuking things with its other moves most of the time anyway, the standard move in that slot is volt switch. draco meteor is definitely less consistent than dragon pulse, but it gets way more KOs and is generally considered better on Miraidon. if you’re running dazzling gleam, tera fairy instead of electric is a necessity. finally, Miraidon could use a little more bulk (I suggest using the spread on Smogon if you need one).

stun spore on sinistcha is useless. replace it with something like strength sap or trick room (although to be completely honest sinistcha is pretty bad in this regulation so I would just consider replacing it with whimsicott, tailwind + encore + light screen (or taunt, fake tears, etc.) is very useful on this team, the covert cloak set on smogon is what I would recommend)

I’ll do the final two mons in a different message because discord character limit 😠

Incineroar definitely doesn't want max atk and max speed, it's supposed to be a defensive pivot support and you only have knock off and fake out as moves that can deal damage on it (both of which aren't even supposed to be damage-dealing moves). sitrus berry is also undesirable in this meta because of the sheer amount of csr and cir who shut down berries with their abilities, you could replace it with...safety goggles? maybe? helping hand is generally not too useful unless there's a specific few calcs that you have it there for, otherwise just run willowisp or taunt. again, I recommend the smogon sets if you need a starting point.

finally, Urshifu. clear amulet is pretty useless on it as the crits from surging strikes ignore intimidate drops anyway, you could replace it with mystic water, choice scarf, or focus sash depending on what you want (actually why am I typing all of this out? just look at the smogon sets and see what you like lol)

tldr; just look at the smogon sets lol

[hazy hamlet]

POST TEAM FOR ME TO USE PLS

SOMEONE PLS TEACH ME HOW TO TEAMBUILD

ALL MY TEAMS SUCK

[south token]

use one from yt

[burnt surge]

if you're just looking for teams and not asking to get one you made fixed, then you should ask in #comp-general or in the Smogon VGC Discord

[broken shuttle]

try sunny day tornadus over flutter mane

gives you your own tailwind and weather control in one slot

[tribal void]

you think whims could work?

i was thinking about it

[broken shuttle]

yeah it could

[tribal void]

and i saw whims being used

on a calys korai team in vr

[broken shuttle]

tbh torn looks better to me here

but whims can work asw

[tribal void]

what would torn do over whims here tho?

like its bulkier ig and bleakwind is always nice but whims feels like it gets the same tools and more

[gloomy birch]

taunt

[tribal void]

whims gets taunt too

[gloomy birch]

but you aren't going to run taunt whims

[tribal void]

idk taunt whims seems fine

though encore is way better

[gloomy birch]

much rather use light screen or protect as the last move

[tribal void]

also should cloak be used or sash

if it is whims

cause sash is free if i drop flutter

[gloomy birch]

cloak

[tribal void]

and i have psy terrain

[gloomy birch]

oh yeah...

oh

roaring moon

https://pokepast.es/a5c439eaf06f1171 this is your team right?

[broken shuttle]

i prefer bulk a lot

i think u want the longevity torn provides here way more

also slower sunny day is always better

[gloomy birch]

i think roaring moon is better

[gloomy birch]

whims gets sunny day..

[tribal void]

whims is fast

slower

[broken shuttle]

rm isn't great on those kind of comps

[tribal void]

slower sunny day better for beating out faster rain dance no?

[broken shuttle]

u rly want priority tw & not being able to use acro effectively in sun sucks balls

[broken shuttle]

yes

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/10c124c370276798 how bulky should torn be?

[broken shuttle]

i think that's good

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/467ebb84ee3c39e5 thoughts?

regieleki doesnt one shot kyogre

but raging bolt also using 252 in spa

tsareena is for preventing priority moves

brute bonnet instead of amoonguss to oneshot lunalas and other calyrex shadows

and imprison trickroom calyrex for preventing trick room (stopping calyrex ice teams)

[jovial creek]

I think that

farigiraf could go over tsareena

for a trick room mode

and it can also work in opposing tr

then csr can run a more offensive set

and do some damage

[south token]

like?

[jovial creek]

life orb?

[south token]

it could be

[broken shuttle]

lorb tdark probs

or normal

[south token]

isnt better tera ghost to be more offensive?

[broken shuttle]

not with LO

u need the defensive tera into the mirror

[south token]

so tera dark or normal?

i think normal its better for me

cuz i have some experience using it

[broken shuttle]

it's preference rly

[south token]

should i make that my regieleki has screens?

[broken shuttle]

no

if you go life orb caly

definitely go sash eleki with electrowebs>tera blast

[south token]

this is my new caly

Calyrex-Shadow @ Life Orb
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Psyshock
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

[south token]

sure

and his tera is good?

[broken shuttle]

i would go psychic

psyshock isn't super useful rn

[south token]

k

[broken shuttle]

go electric since you don't have tera blast anymore

[south token]

i see more spd mons rn

[south token]

isnt better tera flying to prevent groudon and other ground atks?

[broken shuttle]

no

you're already focus sash so it's redundant to go for a defensive tera

[south token]

i dont have sash in eleki

imma add it

and what item i should bring with farigiraf

[broken shuttle]

goggles

[south token]

rn this is his build

Farigiraf
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 228 HP / 100 Def / 180 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Foul Play
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[south token]

thats my inci item

[broken shuttle]

go like

AV incin

and goggles farig

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 244 HP / 36 Atk / 92 Def / 44 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• U-turn

[south token]

if i bring av i cannot use parting

[broken shuttle]

this is a good AV incin spread

that's fine

[south token]

looks fine

[broken shuttle]

just use u-turn

[south token]

this is my team rn

https://pokepast.es/f000c221de9a4531

should i change brute bonnet evs?

[broken shuttle]

go water farigaraf electric eleki and psychic>psyshock on caly

brute evs are fine

[south token]

thanks pal

[broken shuttle]

[lunar wedge]

https://pokepast.es/60be085072bc5a65

[jovial creek]

Are you trying to use slither wing?

[lunar wedge]

.. yes?

[humble lichen]

If you're gonna have a Paradox Pokemon please use either Flutter Mane or Iron Hands as those are the good ones
Hell you can get away with using both

Imagine a Miraidon team with the Shadow Rider, Booster Flutter, and hands

[jovial creek]

Then I'd make it clear amulet and give the focus Sash to urshifu

Last slot could be ogerpon hearthflame because it can benefit from sun

[solar mango]

Hello

[jovial creek]

I forgot groudon has clam

Still hearthflame, keep the rest the same

[hazy hamlet]

i swear its like im destined to be trash at everything

all my teams suck

sampel teams are unavailable for reg i

the one counter to my team js suddently becomes popular

SDWUNFWWWFWONJWFFS\

https://pokepast.es/f6887bb5f56e5d21 fix this team for me or gay

[broken shuttle]

drop solgaleo for zamazenta-c

take all of incin’s atk investment and put it into defense

drop moonlight on clefairy for helping hand protect or moonblast

solgaleo is really bad

you get way more value out of zamazenta in literally every matchup

[solar mango]

Lock in

[broken shuttle]

you need defense investment on incin otherwise u won’t actually live a lot of the hits you need to

moonlight is pretty useless on clefairy as it does’t rly need to heal itself beyond life dew

and it means you’re more passive than you already are

everything else seems okay

[ripe turret]

a few more things

tera fairy dkiss csr basically only works with a bulkier calm mind set, so replace psychic with that and change your EVs to make your csr bulkier (does smogon have a set for that? it should I think)

cloak tornadus needs to be able to take hits so make it bulkier, smogon has a good spread for that (I lowkey forgot what it was so you can just check but yeah)

[broken shuttle]

you can probably get away with LO draining kiss

idt that’s a super big issue

if it’s a problem then change the set but it’s not an awful set

torn should be bulkier tho yeah

i’ll pull spread rq

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Protect
• Tailwind
• Taunt

[sleek laurel]

As a random note, you actually just need 236 HP / 236+ Def / 36 SpD Amoonguss

Gets the exact roll on both 252+ Attack Chien-Pao Icicle Crash and 252+ Attack Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance

Just thought I’d let you know 👍

[ripe turret]

oh ok thanks 👍

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/861c95237bebf48a
is good or is bad

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

amoonguss and indeedee are super bad here

indeedee overwrites your miraidon’s terrain and amoonguss’s spore doesn’t work in miraidon’t terrain

i would suggest pellipper and ogerpon-c over amoonguss indeedee

[hearty tide]

why pelipper

ursaluna?

[broken shuttle]

you could also test pelliper + whimsicott and go for a faster calyrex

[broken shuttle]

it gives u wide guard into the mirror and csr + it boosts urshifu’s attacks rly well

[hearty tide]

wait for this team

i lowk dont know what to send out together

help me

[hearty tide]

this team

[hearty tide]

wait but what would set trick room then

[sleek laurel]

Calyrex-I

You very rarely bring a second TR setter into matches (except HardRoom) unless it’s like Farigiraf for the priority block, Calyrex-I is self-sufficient as far as being a TR setter goes in every team except for HardRoom

[hearty tide]

whats hardroom

sorry im new to this

[sleek laurel]

Hard Trick Room

[hearty tide]

ah

what should i lead with?

[sleek laurel]

He meant Indeedee

[sleek laurel]

Depends a lot on the matchup

[hearty tide]

ah

[broken shuttle]

oops i definitely meant indeedee

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[broken shuttle]

idk how i brain typo’d ursaluna there

[sleek laurel]

Fr…

[hearty tide]

maybe cuz thers an urshifu

why is trick room so common this season lowk hate it

[sleek laurel]

you’re running it

Also because

[hearty tide]

because i must

😢

[sleek laurel]

Basically it really

[hearty tide]

if you cant beat em join em

[sleek laurel]

Really helps against some of the strongest cores

Particularly CSR Zama

Which is

Obscenely dominant

At the moment

[sleek laurel]

What’s ur opinion on fast Ursaluna for TailRoom btw

Stuff like Mirai Lunala Ursa

[sleek laurel]

Basically it’s mandatory for the second most dominant core

And it helps a TON against the most dominant one

[broken shuttle]

fast ursa

is not great

imo

fast BM is kinda ok but idl that either

[sleek laurel]

Problem with fast BM is that it has to run like

Giga omega fast

[broken shuttle]

both are usable tho

[broken shuttle]

i mean

hisui luna has cir speed tier so this is kind of a moot point

[sleek laurel]

Yea, there’s this South American player who cooked like, Mirai + Lunala + semi-fast Ursaluna

[sleek laurel]

ok fair but hisui luna doesn’t go up to CSR speed anyway

Hold up go compgen

[jovial creek]

Was it not cbutty

[sleek laurel]

No that was Juan Salerno

[jovial creek]

Cbutty was the pairing

[sleek laurel]

Cbutty uses it and might’ve adapted some

[jovial creek]

And the luna

I think it was the other way around ngl

[sleek laurel]

But I know that came from Salerno’s patreon unless

Actually it might

Because the two of them have

Contact

Now that you mention it

Lemme ask

Ok yea it was Cbutty

I’m dumb

[broken shuttle]

you can kinda just yoink a cir ev spread and put it on luna

[jovial creek]

Do we need a lunala spread

I have a good one

[sleek laurel]

Share

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/5c88124fcaecb593 uhhhh not to particularily sure on lu, dozo, and ogerpon evs. Also is this even good

[broken shuttle]

LO pao is rly bad

swap pao and caly items fs

then u can do like

sub caly

stolen dawei spreads are fine for dozo lu

snarl lu is rly bad imo

go either rocks or throat chop

i don't like zama being slower than lando-i but it's probably fine

does the extra bulk make a difference?

if not go 100/236/164 zama (or wtvr the spread is idr)

[pallid saffron]

Does this look good
https://pokepast.es/cb0e8a6d4ef6f6e9

[lunar wedge]

Use pokepaste

I mean

Share the link to the page

[pallid saffron]

i completley forgot to do that mb

[jovial creek]

I would look at

running leech seed wo chien

so that it isn't super passive

[tribal void]

thanks for the improvements! I do want to say that personally I prefer sash calys on this team over life orb which is why i have lorb on chien pao. Idt there's any other item i could put so would it be ok if i replaced it?

[broken shuttle]

i think you kind of need pao there

it just fits pretty much perfectly

i can’t rly think of a mon u could replace it for

[ripe turret]

two water moves and spout on cm ogre seems pretty bad imo, and urshifu probably wants cc over u-turn unless you have a good reason for it

in my opinion you would much rather be running opulse ice beam on ogre

because you need something that’s more consistent than spout on setup kyogre, and ice beam for coverage

[tribal void]

the main problem ive been seeing is that without dozo, scarf ursh kind of runs through imo esp on swordfish since there's not much speed control so maybe rbolt?

or drop ogerpon for rbolt

since oger hasn't actually done much tbh

but then zacian might be a problem

[broken shuttle]

i actually like bolt>pao

like AV probably

but you could do booster too

[tribal void]

ill try it out

do av bolts mostly run snarl now or can it still run stuff like eweb and volt or are those a bit more niche

[broken shuttle]

late game bolt is good

it can run those ye

tbh i think snarl is more niche than webs and volt

[tribal void]

ive seen mostly snarl tbh

so thats why i was wondering

[broken shuttle]

u can run whatever on av bolt tbh

it’s half comfort and half team

[tribal void]

i think ill go for webs

since it gives me some needed speed control

if i need it

actually that sentence makes no sense

[broken shuttle]

go ice beam>water spout ogre and origin pulse>hydro, also make it scarf urshifu here fs

i would test farigarf>wo-chien here, i feel like you really want the priority block and tr esp with miraidon and kyo

foul play/psychic/helping hand/tr farig

[hardy abyss]

https://pokepast.es/3dcbf685d747d893 this is a second edition of my first ever 2V2 team after taking some advice from here, so I just wanted to check if there was anything I could still improve?

[gloomy birch]

tera normal incin doesn't do anything

and maybe change your miraidon EVs

max max isn't the way

you don't have rage powder on your amoongus...

why thunder punch urshifu

you already have mirai

use sash shifu and use aqua jet and detect to replace SD and T punch

[broken shuttle]

max max timid is fine

[broken shuttle]

drop amoonguss for ogerpon-cornerstone

[gloomy birch]

not the best though

[broken shuttle]

it works here

[gloomy birch]

ig

[strange sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/76193e8c9d300f2d

this is a team i run for reg g

i need assistance upgrading it if anyone could help

im thinking rotom wash and walking wake

replacing farigiraf and ogerpon

since i run sun, theres no reason to use ogerpon-w since ivy cudgel is debuffed

walking wake profits from the usn

sun

[gloomy birch]

competive Reg G is over now

[strange sparrow]

im aware

theres very little difference between g and i

[gloomy birch]

whay max max kori

[strange sparrow]

?

what

[gloomy birch]

i don't think max max koridon is good

and only one of your pokemon can protect

it makes your team extremely hard to repostion

[strange sparrow]

i know, im trying to switch around here

possibly add incin with uturn

along with giving koraidon u turn

i cant really get swords dance off on koraidon

[gloomy birch]

try using a sash varient on flutter with speed control

[strange sparrow]

so i can replace that with u turn

flutter doesnt have one shot problems

especially in the sun

[gloomy birch]

i know

but your team has to much offense

the specs isn't needed

[strange sparrow]

which is why i add amoonguss

i need a trick room counter

[gloomy birch]

amoongus is redundant as you already have follow me ogerpon

[strange sparrow]

so i need something with taunt

[gloomy birch]

TAUNT FLUTTER MAIN

[strange sparrow]

i want to get rid of ogerpon

[strange sparrow]

hooray!

instead of

[gloomy birch]

specs

[strange sparrow]

moonblast?

[gloomy birch]

no

get rid of the specs

[strange sparrow]

in place of

[gloomy birch]

sash or booster

[strange sparrow]

dont need booster if im running koraidon

[gloomy birch]

use Icy wind, Moonblast, Taunt, and Protect/Thunder Wave

[gloomy birch]

top level players still do that

[gloomy birch]

you aren't going to lead with kori flutter every game

[strange sparrow]

its probably going to be booster then

makes sense

[gloomy birch]

to get the speed boost

[strange sparrow]

no dazzling gleam?

[gloomy birch]

moonblast is just stronger because it is single target and 90 bp

[strange sparrow]

i really would like to switch ogerpon here

either to raging bolt or walking wake

raging bolt for kyogre and tornadus

[gloomy birch]

ogerpon C stone

[gloomy birch]

firepon already covers kyo

[strange sparrow]

or that

so hearthflame or cornerstone

[gloomy birch]

it depends on what you want

do you want follow me or offense

personally, i would go c stone

[strange sparrow]

cstone for what

follow me?

more defense

[gloomy birch]

sturdy follow me is broken

[strange sparrow]

that makes sense

is this build fine?

[gloomy birch]

maybe change the evs a bit

but seems fine

[strange sparrow]

powerwhip or wood hammer

[gloomy birch]

horn leech

[strange sparrow]

ahhhh right

to recharge sturdy

[gloomy birch]

can be useful into urshifu rs

[strange sparrow]

how would i change the evs?

[gloomy birch]

more sp def investment

i guess

i could give you some Evs

[strange sparrow]

if youd like

of coruse

[strange sparrow]

still deciding what to switch farig to

i wont need it if im running taunt and tailwind

possibly incin for a pivot

[gloomy birch]

farig is needed bc you need don't have anything to block fake out

[strange sparrow]

so is this team final or do i need more changes

with farig, i need to change its moveset

if im keeping it in

[gloomy birch]

srry i can't come up a good ogerpon evs

[strange sparrow]

it has electric seed because i didnt know what to change the item to, i used to run miraidon

no worries, all good

[gloomy birch]

i guess just stick to what smogon said with adamant nature

can do some suprising damage to CIR

[strange sparrow]

and for shadow, i rely on chi yu

[strange sparrow]

instead of pure support i should probably run this then?

replace trick room with helping hand

[gloomy birch]

pure support

[strange sparrow]

really?

i mean i guess so

i dont have any supporft

[strange sparrow]

what moves?

[gloomy birch]

trick room, foul play, protect, and helping hand/ ally switch

[gloomy birch]

Getting late for me so my messages might not makes sense anymore

[strange sparrow]

all good, i dont want to keep you up

why trick room?

if you need to sleep dont feel like youre restrained

[gloomy birch]

just anti trick room

[strange sparrow]

alright that makes sense

i feel like ally switch could come through but helping hand could be better

[gloomy birch]

maybe you could use both and replace with TR

bc you already have foul play to pressure CIR

[strange sparrow]

dont you think i might need psychic or na?

[gloomy birch]

and your team would already discourage CIR being brought out

[strange sparrow]

i honestly might take koraidon out for another win con

[strange sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/5714a6d0f8bc7051

need to make this a reg i team

where do i start

[sleek laurel]

I like Lunala > Farigiraf here a lot and obviously changing the Koraidon set

Rest is fine

Although

[strange sparrow]

listening

[sleek laurel]

You can try to fit in an Indeedee somewhere and make use of Lunala with Expanding Force

Probably instead of Whimsicott

You get enough Speed control here

[strange sparrow]

but then my speed stays at that

[sleek laurel]

Then you can do Meteor Beam, Moongeist Beam, Expanding Force, and probably Protect on Lunala

[strange sparrow]

no trick room, no tailwind

[sleek laurel]

Your Koraidon will be running Flame Charge

Indeedee gets Trick Room

Flutter Mane gets Speed-booster and Icy Wind

Chi-Yu is scarfed

Lunala is paired with Indeedee and Ogerpon doesn’t care abt Speed control

You have an answer for Speed for every single mon on your team

Lol

[strange sparrow]

alright going through

check list

koraidon flame charge instead of?

[sleek laurel]

A lot of stuff on Koraidon has to change

[strange sparrow]

right right

[sleek laurel]

It’s the only mon that needs set fixing but it needs a lot

Hang on lemme get the set for you

[strange sparrow]

right on

[sleek laurel]

Koraidon @ Life Orb
Level: 50
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Jolly Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Close Combat
• Flame Charge
• Protect

This is Life Orb Koraidon

[strange sparrow]

straight copy this?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

And then Lunala hold on

[strange sparrow]

okay

[sleek laurel]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Level: 50
Ability: Shadow Shield
EVs: 116 HP / 108 Def / 252 SpA / 28 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Water
Modest Nature

• Moongeist Beam
• Meteor Beam
• Expanding Force
• Trick Room

You can do Protect over Trick Room on Lunala too

[strange sparrow]

i assume you meant to do protect?

[sleek laurel]

Because Indeedee has it

[strange sparrow]

yeah cause indeedee does trick room

tera water?

[sleek laurel]

Yea

Without Moonblast

[strange sparrow]

i thought you said fairy

[sleek laurel]

Water is preferred

[strange sparrow]

ahhh

i understand

[sleek laurel]

Fairy is preferred if you have Moonblast lol

[strange sparrow]

i see

[sleek laurel]

For Indeedee

You can do max hp max defense, or you can do 212 defense instead (still bold)

Which retains all physical calcs while giving you a bit more spdef

Which is a personal preference of mine and something LATAM players I talk to have cooked up

But that’s extremely

And I mean extremely minor

[strange sparrow]

hmmm

some is better than one

aint that right

do you have a set i could refer to?

[sleek laurel]

Yes

Hold on

Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

• Follow Me
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Dazzling Gleam

[strange sparrow]

awesome

[sleek laurel]

Psychic > Dazzling Gleam is also fine

Because it actually deals damage

[strange sparrow]

that made me laugh

[sleek laurel]

Dazzling Gleam cannot come close to OHKOing Dark Urshifu

Which is

[strange sparrow]

let me put psychicthen

[sleek laurel]

Absolutely wild

Lmao

[strange sparrow]

alright so heres the team

[sleek laurel]

Yea I don’t believe in Fairy move Indeedee

Show

[strange sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/4407c473205ed1e1

any other changes needed?

[sleek laurel]

Very good Atk

Atm*

And uh

[strange sparrow]

saucy

[sleek laurel]

You CAN do Power Whip > Horn Leech on Rockpon, as well as Shadow Ball > Taunt on Flutter

You can also not do that

Those two are optimal

I mean

Optional

I’m on 58 hours of sleep in 10 days

[strange sparrow]

only reason i had taunt was for calyi

and horn leech repairs sturdy

but then again id need to use it twice in some scenarios

what would you do??

[sleek laurel]

Actually since this is Koraidon

I don’t think Horn Leech is half bad

Power Whip’s main use is OHKOing Rapid Urshifu

But Rapid Urshifu hates Koraidon anyway

I guess it also OHKOs Kyogre which is nice to keep in mind but Kyogre can’t Water Spout after a Leech anyway so you might be fine with it here

[strange sparrow]

horn leech ohkos???

i didnt know that what

[sleek laurel]

No

[strange sparrow]

oh

[sleek laurel]

Whip OHKOs

Which is the selling point of it

[strange sparrow]

i read that wrong

oops

[sleek laurel]

Flutter can keep Taunt because you have Lunala

As for Ogerpon, I’d test both

Wait

One last thing

You can do Focus Sash Flutter Mane

You have no Focus Sash users, you have Sun, and this allows you to run Max SpA and Max Speed

[strange sparrow]

i could, but remember that its not 100% that id be running koraidon with flutter

[sleek laurel]

That’s true

But if you bring Flutter, you usually wanna bring Koraidon

The matchups you don’t bring Koraidon you’ll be more tempted to go for Trick Room setups

[strange sparrow]

right, let me throw focus sash onhere then

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s standard on Koraidon

Other than that this is very good

[strange sparrow]

let me put it to the test

my favorite part was chi yu was the only pokemon left untouched

does rockpon want power whip or leech here?

[sleek laurel]

Scarf Chi-Yu is goated

[sleek laurel]

You can get away with both

With this team

[strange sparrow]

agreed, so much clutch

im more of an offensive guy

waste no time

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[strange sparrow]

id do powerwhip

[sleek laurel]

That’s more common yea

[strange sparrow]

let me test this out

[sleek laurel]

Gl

[sleek laurel]

Some people also like Wood Hammer to compress 120 Power + 100 Accuracy but

I’ma be very real

For Rockpon in specific

I’m a giga hater

So yea just go Whip here tbh

OHKOing Kyogre is very helpful for the Weather War

[strange sparrow]

yes agreed

[dusky timber]

can this in any way be viable: https://pokepast.es/420920fbd6f2afa8

reg i
skill swapping no guard onto groudon
i got the idea from wolfey and thought it might be cool to try in reg i
but halfway through i realized it may not be viable at all
so i jst wanted to get some feedback on the idea before going through with actually making a team

[sleek laurel]

Definitely not lol

What CAN work is Gravity

But Skill Swap No Guard maneuvers, yea that’s not gonna work lol

[dusky timber]

ok yeah i thought so lol

[sleek laurel]

Btw

Forgot to mention this yesterday

You can consider Alluring Voice Indeedee to break Focus Sashes on Dark-type Pokémon if you find that to be useful

Just please, if you want a Fairy-type move, use that instead of Dazzling Gleam

It isn’t blocked by Wide Guard, is just as effective in breaking Focus Sashes because the opp can only have one Sashed mon (so Spread damage is useless in this regard) and at least it does damage to 4x-Fairy weak Pokémon due to being stronger for not being spread

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/9e662c80aaa90c6d how fast should I make whims? also idk how to ev ursa, what should i look for when ev'ing ursa?

[jovial creek]

I just ran max hp max attack luna when I ran that combo

But i was grimm over whims

Just pick something to outspeed in tw

And ev for that

Also id run moonblast tera fairy lunala so you can do something to incin

[broken shuttle]

i would look at common reg g speed tiers for cir

bc their speed tier is so similar

[lethal bridge]

https://pokepast.es/0ed344a81187a266
wanted to make a reshiram groudon sun team, so I edited my reg g sun team and made this, any feedback is very appreciated

[lunar wedge]

I'm pretty sure reshiram has always been fringe or unviable

Even in gen 5

[ripe turret]

yeah just don’t use reshiram

it’s pretty garbage

also why use twin beam when psychic exists

and tbolt instead of shadow ball on flutter

[lethal bridge]

but she's my favorite legendary and i will use her even if she sucks :(

[lethal bridge]

sash urshifu

[lethal bridge]

so i can hit water and flying types

specifically pelipper

[ripe turret]

well yeah, but shadow ball feels like it would be more useful in general

although I guess it does work on this team

[lethal bridge]

shadow ball is definitely good i just like having the option of completely obliterating pelipper

i had shadowball then lost to one too many teams with pelipper lmao

[dusk sun]

https://pokepast.es/5d81d9c2e1472e77

any way to counter terapagos?

that seems to be my only issue

[lunar wedge]

I feel like your team is also pretty vulnerable to wide guard

[ripe turret]

you could just add urshifu in place of like bloodmoon or something

maybe scarf

also indeedee and incineroar is slightly anti-synergy

personally I would replace it but you probably don’t need to

[strange sparrow]

https://pokepast.es/0bdedc22a0c4abd1

Made this team yesterday will stallsun

I want to get a second opinion on it

Koraidon should not have agility

That supposed to be flame charge

[hearty tide]

https://pokepast.es/103c3d832ab07747

any adjustments youd make to this team?

[gloomy birch]

because you already have indeeedee, maybe take off tera ghost and do tera fire or water

[strange sparrow]

On which pokemon

[gloomy birch]

chi yu

[strange sparrow]

Hmmm

Maybe fire for the stab?

[gloomy birch]

i guess

[strange sparrow]

Or water for more defensive plays

It is choice scarfed

So it would normally go first

[gloomy birch]

tera fire would do a good chunk to mirai

[strange sparrow]

Okey dokie ill try it out

[gloomy birch]

but you wouldn't want overheat

[strange sparrow]

What would I replace for it

[gloomy birch]

i guess it is fine theree

cause you don't want psychic chi yu

also i would change the flutter main's tera type to something like normal or grass

[jovial creek]

Id run AV or Specs reshiram

Probably AV

Something like

Reshiram groudon hearthflame

Flutter

Farig

+1

[jovial creek]

Blow it up

Or scarf urshifu

[jovial creek]

Why taunt flutter

But id play around with the lunala moves

[gloomy birch]

anti trickroom

but

@strange sparrow doesn't need it anymore

might as well use t wave or smth

[jovial creek]

I wanted to be sure

So that's why I ask the person

[lethal bridge]

yea i was thinking AV

[jovial creek]

Not someone else

[lethal bridge]

but then again i ohko'd a tera fire koraidon and idk if removing life orb would stop that from happening

[jovial creek]

You can use helping hand farig

To make up for the damage loss

[lethal bridge]

smart

is there a better tera type for reshi than fairy

i just kinda threw it on there

[jovial creek]

It's probably fine

[gloomy birch]

tera grass seems good on reshi

[broken shuttle]

i'd just leave it as is for now unless u find a reason to swap it

[lethal bridge]

seems good because koraidon bad

[jovial creek]

For what

It's like

Useless

All it does is mean you get even more blown up after tera

[lethal bridge]

i don't really like hearthflame are there any other mons i could use

[jovial creek]

Cornerstone?

I think you want redirection

[lethal bridge]

i could run indeedee instead of farig

that also gives me psychic terrain for miraidon

[jovial creek]

I like farig

[sleek laurel]

Taunt flutter was mainly prior to the TR mode being implemented

[lethal bridge]

could clefairy work

[sleek laurel]

I did tell him to run Shadow Ball instead

[jovial creek]

Send team?