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[dusk sun]

right i know but i felt like ps surge makes it threatening with helping hand/follow me

tho wg is a problem

[broken shuttle]

i would test both

[dusk sun]

but would incineroar, kyogre, and amoongus be able to outspeed significant in tailwind? im worried

[broken shuttle]

amoonguss no

but kyogre prefers tailwind

[dusk sun]

so would I need to re-do all their iv's for TW?

[broken shuttle]

bc it allows it to outspeed a lot of the things that threatens it before taking damage

[broken shuttle]

kyogre yes

but incin and amoonguss are fine

[dusk sun]

fair, ive noticed miraidons been annoying so psy terrain was a good counter

main reason ive kept it around

[broken shuttle]

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

use this spread

[dusk sun]

why origin? i used to have it but since WG was an issue i went to hydro pump

[broken shuttle]

u can go hp

either works

[dusk sun]

fair fair

wish he had scald..

[broken shuttle]

i woud suggest smth like this https://pokepast.es/3d698e944c3c67ff

i edited the hands spread to be more optimal and gave calyrex more speed so it could function under tailwind better

amoonguss has direct anti-synergy with miraidon and shouldn't be used with it so ogerpon-h or -c are good choices here

i like h more because idt u rly need sturdy

[broken shuttle]

yeah stupid nerf tbh

[dusk sun]

so im guessing the purpose of torn would be to taunt wide guarders and tailwind?

[broken shuttle]

yes and set tailwind

mb

[dusk sun]

Ive never used torn; what're usual lineups?

[broken shuttle]

didn't read the second psrt

[broken shuttle]

like

torn ogre caly +1

or torn ursh ogre +1

or torn incin +2

u can run it in the back too

[dusk sun]

(imma be real i dont know what that means im stupid whats the +1 and +2

im new to vgc

[broken shuttle]

smth like incin/amoon + caly w. torn ogre in back

[broken shuttle]

by +1/+2 i mean plus one or two mons in the back depending on matchup

[dusk sun]

Ohhhh

why not start with torn/caly to taunt any wide guarder immediatly?

[broken shuttle]

yeah you can do that asw

[broken shuttle]

that's a big reason for tornogre also

[dusk sun]

oh shit ok

[broken shuttle]

just depends on what functions better into their team

[dusk sun]

whatre usual movesets/statlines? tail, taunt, __, __ ?

maybe breakwind

since im running rain

[broken shuttle]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Level: 50
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 44 SpD / 4 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Modest Nature

• Bleakwind Storm
• Rain Dance
• Tailwind
• Taunt

[dusk sun]

YOU DID THAT FAST

why dark tera and RD?

[broken shuttle]

have the spread alrdy made

[dusk sun]

also, how often do ppl even got nasty plot off on caly? i feel like i'd have to run sash then

[broken shuttle]

tera dark is to block opposing prankster taunt and rd is to get weather control into stuff like koraidon

[broken shuttle]

you could

np is just good to punish passivity

[dusk sun]

so like if my kyogers dead?

[broken shuttle]

no

[dusk sun]

oh wait if they switch in

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[dusk sun]

i could like, predict a kyoger/korrai switch in and stil use water spout

[broken shuttle]

yeah for example

[dusk sun]

Weird idea, could lunala replace calyrex and bring indeedee back for expanding force; lunala learns tailwind and wide guard

[broken shuttle]

lunala could replace calyrex but you'd probably still want torn

tailwind lunala isn't very good

luhnala does give wg + trick room tho

which can b rly nice

[nimble flame]

Just made my reg i team originally wanted to do calyrex-s amd lunala but it wasnt really working out https://pokepast.es/45103c13fae57d83

[broken shuttle]

smth like this https://pokepast.es/e63112973d3ef649

[broken shuttle]

this looks good

you could consider urshifu-r on there somewhere but it looks fine as is

[nimble flame]

I was thinking rs over chi yu but wasnt sure about it

[broken shuttle]

yeah i like both in that slot

i haven't been the biggest fan of chi-yu atm but it just fits so well on this kinda thing

[nimble flame]

Chi-yu i think isnt great compared to other fire types like heartflame ogerpon on incin who have better uses on teams but in this case it just fits

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/9ad4fdb0258f9914 i just feel like RS makes more sense on this team because of just how good it is in this format

[opal python]

https://pokepast.es/e76009a9b6dd5a87

[wild cosmos]

your post was too long k4x1

[opal python]

yup ic haha

i wrote a whole like thing about this team

do i just send it in bits?

[wild cosmos]

yea

[opal python]

The idea is to be a sort of anti tailwind team, weezing and roaring moon can consistantly shut down tailwind while getting tailwind off yourself (weezing is evd to outspeed all the tailwind users after they tailwind themselves.

A bit about each choice.

CSR - ignores neutralizing gas and is just insane in general.

Zamazenta - combos really well with csr, iron defense is great because pokemon like weezing and csr are usually seen as the bigger threat so they tend to ignore zama and let me set up for free. Weezing allows me to switch out zamazenta without wasting its ability

Weezing - supportive build, wisp shuts down a lot of the physical attackers in the format and strange steam can chunk a lot of the x4 weakness to fairy in the format right now. Neutralizing gas also shuts down a lot of terrain, weather and many miscellaneous abilities.

Iron Hands - really good into trick room which used to be sort of a hard matchup, weezing shutting down psychic terrain and armor tail makes fake out mostly guaranteed.

Roaring moon - like zamazenta weezing allows me to switch it out without wasting booster energy, its evd to exactly outspeed tornados and whimsycot. I have more of an attacking moon because acrobatics is pretty insane and knock off is a great dark type move in the format right now.

Amoongus - since weezing shuts down electric terrain its great here, its mostly there as a bring into trick room teams which my team kinda strugles with otherwise.

Any feedback would be great! I got 10 wins in a row in showdown at some point and 1350 elo at some point I made 17 different variations on this team and so far this feels the best.

thats a bit nicer haha

pic of the team

[prisma sandal]

I was wondering whether or not my ev spreads were good, mainly looking for chi yu alternatives, as non 100% accurate moves scare me

[jovial creek]

this looks like the reg G weezing csr teams but like

you decided to repent halfway through

I'd go korai over weezing

it benefits more from abilities being shut off and can run ability shield

[jovial creek]

!pokepaste

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[jovial creek]

the first 5 look fine

I would go something that can benefit from trick room in the last slot, ursaluna is my personal favorite

[red cradle]

https://pokepast.es/8c518772381d6ade Hi! This is my first time making a team, is this a solid team?

[jovial creek]

that is pretty solid

if you want to use calyrex shadow and dozo tatsu though

https://pokepast.es/41b3b2fe0cba1a8f

is the go to

[red cradle]

ok, thx ^^

[undone brook]

https://pokepast.es/e5416693d3ad1698

Reposting cause I posted in the middle of the night and it got buried by the time anyone saw it lol.

Built most of the team around countering the mir/caly-i mirror and zama/caly-s. Urshi outspeeds both after tailwind/icywind or under TR and oneshots zama with a Tera fighting CC.

Caly and Mir are trained to live an astral. I've found AV just ruins calcs and saves me from pretty much anything that isn't an opposing Mir Draco meteor.

I still struggle against the mirror about 50% of the time but I think that might be my play. I also seem to get really messed up by Lunala.

I don't often find myself bringing bundle and unfortunately caly often feels like it's not doing much, except for when it does. Whims and Ogre EVs are taken from a random smogon post and prob not optimized.

[broken shuttle]

bundle is pretty awful yeah

i would make urshifu sash, go ogerpon-hearthflame>c, and drop bundle for farigaraf

if you go tera stellar ursh you get the boost on wicked blow while still preserving the zama calc i believe

should help the mirror a lot

[broken shuttle]

ah except no CB

forgot abt that

i think u rly do want sash here

[undone brook]

I was thinking about this but haven't run the calcs yet

[broken shuttle]

being able to take a hit>>CB damage output on that team specifically

[undone brook]

Gotcha, ok ill try it out

[keen walrus]

https://pokepast.es/2c5bbcfe4bebde56

First cook for reg i

Haven’t played in a few months

[broken shuttle]

well

for starters i'd go AV hands here

change the farig moves to psychic foul play helping hand tr

make it electric seed farig

drop SD on ogerpon for follow me

go light clay grimmsnarl with light screen/reflect/spirit break/(twave or parting shot)

other than that it should work

[keen walrus]

Spirit break and lightscreen?

Both deal with special attacks, why use both?

[broken shuttle]

spirit break is just one of your most consistent attacking options

• some mons just do so much damage that the additional spa drop can be work

• it can counteract setup and distrupt annoying mons like raging bolt

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/9bf4257c93c7e584

God this is definetely the most niche team I've ever used, but so far its been working out pretty well, i ran around 20 games bo3 and had around a 75% winrate.

Zacian-c: probably the mon im most likely to change, if does very good burst damage I have swords dance to outpace intimidate. I made sure im faster than miraidon and koraidon to be able to deal damage to them before they OHKO me. I made sure i'd survive a calyrex-shadow astral barrage and a high horsepower calyrex-ice. Also i feel its a good csr counter.

Terapagos: I mean very basic glass cannon terapagos not much to explain here. I chose it for more anti-csr more spresd damage and a (not so good) tr mon since even tho its faster thsn the majority of the field its slower than the 135 restricteds csr and zacian.

Raichu: my most controversial pick, anti-miraidon, it completely shuts down tera electric miraidon forcing it to switch or use draco meteor, and miraidon has only a 0.1% chance to 3hko it with dazzling gleam so most likely a 4hko. The strategy is often to take down miraidons partners with my other mons to raichu to come and end miraidon. Tera fairy for draco meteor immunity of course, i made sure it outsped none-choice scarf chi-yu as well as tank both signature moves of the calyrexes. Im thinking of replacing volt switch for helping hand, endeavor is used as I know the calcs for raichu and if i predict an opponent is going for it and raichu will survive i endeavor, nuzzle speed control, fake out cause its fake out.

Incineroar.

Iron hands is my anti-zamazenta which my team has a very bad matchup against, since raichu was hogging the AV i used booster energy which i also like for the atk boost even without electric terrain. Its a solid pokemon not much explanation needed

Bronzong: My replacement for farigiraf, I originally went with way more sp bulk and ohysical but it still got OHKOd by most special attacking restricteds, so i figured to do physical.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[keen walrus]

Alright thanks

[ripe turret]

why not run play rough instead of sacred sword on zacian?

[unborn hull]

Grammar, please.

[ripe turret]

…

[unborn hull]

Nvm i read who not run

Srry

[ripe turret]

ok lol

[gloomy birch]

Raichu doesn't have much value here as you have no electric weaknesses and Iron Hands can deal with miraidon fine with the AV on. I would replace it with something like Speed control Flutter Mane.

[unborn hull]

Steel types cough zamazenta-c cough

[unborn hull]

Raichus worked out pretty well so far

[ripe turret]

in that case you would replace swords dance not play rough though

[unborn hull]

I need swords dance to outpace intimidate

[gloomy birch]

but you have already have iron hands as fighting damage?

[ripe turret]

you then have nothing to hit a ton of the common fighting types

and dragon types

mirai, korai, hands, bolt, urshifu, etc etc

[unborn hull]

Also miraidon is stupidly powerful, even without weaknesses it does insane damage

[gloomy birch]

https://tenor.com/view/urshifu-pokemon-pokemon-sword-and-shield-urshifu-single-strike-form-pokemon-journeys-gif-24747091

[ripe turret]

lmao

[gloomy birch]

but Zacian has can outspeed

also, add a flutter mane to pressure miraidon and get a better poke than raichu

[unborn hull]

I want those points to do other stuff tho, like more damage and bulk, zacians already pretty fast

[gloomy birch]

like icy wind and moonblast

[ripe turret]

I mean if you’re not running 252/252 or something close to that on zacian then you’re probably not doing something right

[gloomy birch]

that is incorrect

Zacian is good for it nice bulk, speed to outspeed 135s, and intrepid sword in the format

[unborn hull]

For example zacian doesnt get OHKOd by either CSR or CIRs signature moves

[ripe turret]

oh ok

nvm then

[drifting onyx]

Zacian-Crowned (Gen 9)

Typing

Fairy / Steel

Abilities

0: Intrepid Sword

Base Stats (BST: 700)

92 / 150 / 115 / 80 / 115 / 148

Weight

355 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[unborn hull]

I dont really need more offense in a format wjth 2 restricteds tho

[gloomy birch]

115 in both defenses is good

[gloomy birch]

it is for support

the moonblast is for chip dmg

[ripe turret]

ye

[gloomy birch]

iron hands btw

[unborn hull]

also fluttermane having 135 sp atk

[gloomy birch]

91%

[ripe turret]

lol

[gloomy birch]

the booster speed

if you don't have the AV on hands, you aren't doing something right

[unborn hull]

Raichu has it + i like having an atk boost without nessecarily having electric field

[gloomy birch]

Iron hands needs the AV

[ripe turret]

but then hands just folds to a special attack

[gloomy birch]

iron hands has good offense

[ripe turret]

like it has 60 base spdef

[drifting onyx]

Iron Hands (Gen 9)

Typing

Fighting / Electric

Abilities

0: Quark Drive

Base Stats (BST: 570)

154 / 140 / 108 / 50 / 68 / 50

Weight

380.7 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[gloomy birch]

140 is good

you don't need an attack boost

that is higher than flutter

[unborn hull]

Wait i did a mistake

[ripe turret]

I refuse to believe that is a correct calc

[gloomy birch]

booster attack on hands is wild

[ripe turret]

are you sure it isn’t lvl 100

[gloomy birch]

140> 135 right?

[unborn hull]

252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Hyper Beam vs. 156 HP / 244 SpD Iron Hands: 134-159 (53.8 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[gloomy birch]

that is hyper beam

[ripe turret]

super effective moves:

[gloomy birch]

the common set is specs hyper beam..

[ripe turret]

like ok hands is decently bulky even without AV

[unborn hull]

252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Hyper Beam vs. 72 HP / 244 SpD Iron Hands: 154-182 (64.7 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[gloomy birch]

ok fine

[ripe turret]

but like imo its main strength is its staying power

[gloomy birch]

yes

the AV makes it a lot eaiser

[ripe turret]

ye

that way it doesn’t get folded by moonblast or earth power or smth

[unborn hull]

I still like the extra dmg tho

[gloomy birch]

you are saying you don't need more offense...

i don't understand

[ripe turret]

honestly can we also talk about bronzong

[unborn hull]

My 1 attacking non-retricted is iron hands, i meant that on my team 3 offensive pokemon were enough

[gloomy birch]

yes

[unborn hull]

Who've youve seen running 4 support 2 offense

[unborn hull]

Ok yeah i understand that, i chose it over farigiraf due to its bulk and better typing

[ripe turret]

well actually more standard is like 4 offense 2 support

but yeah I concur

my main problem with that is it just gives you koraidon food

on a team where 3/6 of the mons already get ohkod by it

[unborn hull]

Ok yeah fair point

[ripe turret]

and with zac not outspeeding you can’t even kill it that well

[unborn hull]

But koraidon likes to terrastalize and tera stellar tera blast

[ripe turret]

…

where in the world did you learn that

[unborn hull]

Tera starstrom*

[ripe turret]

oh nvm

I get what you’re saying

still it outspeeds and ohkos pagos

[random wagon]

no offense, but i would drop the team. 2 of the Pokemon are completely unviable, and 2 more have unviable sets.

[ripe turret]

so you would need a position where you have hands/incin on the field after it just protected and then hit it with a starstorm

[unborn hull]

Zacian 196 spe evs outspeeds 252 spe speed boosting nature koraidon

[unborn hull]

Which have unviable sets? Just asking

[ripe turret]

what?

that’s false

[random wagon]

iron hands and zacian-c

[ripe turret]

you have adamant

with jolly it prob outspeeds

[unborn hull]

How is zacian-c unviable, i get iron hands thk

[ripe turret]

but not adamant

[ripe turret]

no play rough basically

[random wagon]

Tera Ground and no Tera Blast? Not to mention that the EVs feel all over the place and don’t achieve much

[unborn hull]

Zamazenta gave me trouble so i removed it

[random wagon]

Having no Play Rough is fine tbh, as long as you have a good reason

[ripe turret]

but here I think they kinda need it no?

or maybe not?

[random wagon]

Yes pretty much, as they struggle to hit both Koraidon and Miraidon.

[unborn hull]

Tera ground vs miraidon
Wdym ters blast ive never seen anyone run it
196 outspeed 135 pokemon (none of them run 252 spe nature speed for th most part)
Doesnt get ohkod by either of calyrexes sjgnsture moves

[random wagon]

If Tera Ground Blast was run i think you would be fine

[ripe turret]

Tera ground Tera blast was a pretty common set back in reg g

[unborn hull]

Never seen it

[ripe turret]

well ok tbf zacian was just never used back the

then

[unborn hull]

Oh nvm 30% ran it

So in summary what should i add to the team/what pokemon should i change, or should i just ditch it

[random wagon]

The main reason you run Tera Ground is for Tera Blast. This was popularized in Regulation G on HO teams after top cutting a few regionsls. If you want a Tera that is good VS Miraidon I would go Fairy (with Play Rough) or Tera Grass for defensive properties.

Jolly Max speed Koraidon is probably the most common EV spread for the Pokemon, very important speed tier.

Well no matter what you dont drop to Glacial Lance or Astral Barrage, so outlining it isn’t very important.

[random wagon]

just ditch it for the reason stated above

[unborn hull]

Ok alr

[gloomy birch]

try indeedee

[sleek laurel]

I was gonna ask about that actually, isn't Jolly Max Speed Koraidon like

picking up a LOT recently

Miraidon too but far less so

but the amount of 205 Speed Koraidon I've seen these last few days is insane

[random wagon]

yeah 100% the most common spread for that build, which also happens to be the most common

[sleek laurel]

yea figured

[opal python]

Kodaj over wheezing? Did you mean zamazenta lol

[jovial creek]

Oop

[opal python]

Yeah I was running korai for a bit but zamazenta csr is just better in 90% of situations

[jovial creek]

Yeah i mean that lol

[opal python]

Wide guard is so good

And he's not really fast enough to deal with csr match up like zama zan

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/ef0fa7e81f962d50 yes?

[broken shuttle]

hi, no, a few issues here

1. why is it a defensive tera on urshifu, you have a focus sash- go stellar or dark tera
2. what is the zacian spread for? it seems way too slow
3. max/max kyogre isn’t good- it’s too frail, you’d prefer modest with bulk
4. you already have tornadus, whimsicott is redundant here

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

this is a good kyogre set

[normal nacelle]

rilla spread is also not great cuz u arent going to be in tr much

[broken shuttle]

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 132 HP / 156 Atk / 36 Def / 28 SpD / 156 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Behemoth Blade
• Play Rough
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

[normal nacelle]

+solo glide for grass coverage is unoptimal

[broken shuttle]

you can adjust tera and 3rd move on zacian

[normal nacelle]

this was kinda vague but uh you shouldnt plan to be in trick room usually for a mon like rilla, just run a standard set
I dont think slow rilla actually underspeeds much in opposing tr anyways you should just focus on it being good outside of trick room

especially since glide and fake out are already priority and slow uturn is arguably good in tr

if u want a grass that helps in tr use amoonguss

[broken shuttle]

i would either replace rillaboom with amoonguss and whimsicott with incin, whimsicoty with incin and keep rillaboom, or whimsicott for amoonguss

all 3 could work depending on what u find the team struggles with

whims is just redundant here

incin and amoonguss both give you valuable utility thru fake out + redirection + spore

[vast thicket]

https://pokepast.es/84b879859754acbe pretty common Reg I comp any suggestions?

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/1f42ce1df919a83c team feels pretty nice to play but just wondering if i should go scarf chi yu or stay cloak. Ive had some trouble with tr when i don't bring chi yu so i feel like i should just stay cloak but idk

also feels like nothing can stop tr from going up and sweeping me when mirai is around

cause chi yu is too slow to not die to mirai

[drifting snow]

https://pokepast.es/db2ea3b1f347f9ae
Any good changes I can make to this

Also whats the best way to reliably check calyrex shadow

[ripe turret]

I would add trick room on lunala and indeedee

in place of cm and heal pulse

also run psychic on indeedee instead of shadow ball

honestly you already have a lot of csr checks, I don’t see why you would need more

the EVs also feel kind of random

[dusk sun]

https://pokepast.es/31a6dcc8ff4225ff
https://pokepast.es/eefa73acfe564d08

P much the same team; With both im getting issues with electric types (mainly mirraidon) and with the tornadus team i have big issues with indeedee and brute bonnet :/ I feel like this team is a good bit worse than I thought

[analog nest]

https://pokepast.es/4e2f732fd9a7cd75

Just a team I made that did well on showdown so I’m looking to improve it

[broken shuttle]

@modest dune do u have any opinions on this

[broken shuttle]

i think i'd go for scarf yu

hm

maybe not

cir miraidon looks rly hard for that six

[tribal void]

yeah thats the main matchup problem i had

[broken shuttle]

could maybe try like

bolt or ditto somewhere

[jovial creek]

for the indeedee one

I think incin is some anti synergy with indeedee

you could try sash urshifu and choice scarf landorus for the electric types

[broken shuttle]

try indeedee over cornerstone

u can reset terrain + follow me + imprison tr if absolutely necessary

i would prolly keep psychic caly altho u can test eforce ofc

[tribal void]

yeah i think psychic is better

since it isn't blocked by wide guard in terrain

and hits zama harder

[modest dune]

That looks pretty good, personally I think you'd benefit from CM Lunala with maybe Amoongus over indeedee rather than psyspam

Incineroar can otherwise be difficult for Lunala to handle

That's at least what I am doing

[vast thicket]

I’ll try that out thanks again

I just was running indeedee for a second trick room option just incase. Plus I like mystic terrain to deal with prio moves cause my team dosen’t run any but honestly it hasn’t been useful outside of that 1 use

Although I think ima go wide gaurd over protect on Lunala cause most of the sweepers just spam multi target moves it seems

[modest dune]

This team is based on an early version of my team I have shared before, I assume it must be spreading!

[vast thicket]

Oh that’s funny I pretty much just based it on my reg G comp but with Lunala and Kuryem white not black and then adjusted based off your input

[modest dune]

Ah I see

Similarl minds think alike

[dusk sun]

How does sash ursh help against electric?
So would i do landerous instead of incin or tornadouse?

[dusk sun]

Fair, i dont throw em in often thankfully

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/4a9730d48d066654

dunno what to replace for a second restricted for Reg I

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/c546fb7d205cae87 this is the final version of this team for reg i

• Calyrex-S - Is a Great Pokemon just in general within the meta of vgc Life Orb lets me ohko alot of mons after a single nasty plot especially stuff like av RB, or miraidon. I knew i would need a hard hitting 2nd restricted and CRS made the most sense to me, the only issue i have is against dark types which im thinking of replacing psychic with DK and going tera fairy instead.

• Miraidon - Miraidon the main part of this team is centered around electric terrain and letting Miraidon do what it does best which is hit hard. Its great against Incin, CRI, and URS, plus RB. Thanks to hardon energy i dont have to worry about Amoongus spore bs. Evs work to let us Survive a +2 AB from CRS and a HH boosted CC from URS. Tera Fairy boosts the power of dazzling gleam, and helps me in taking no damage from any pesky dragon type attacks draco meteor.

• Whimsicott - I feel Prankster Whimsicott is self explanitory but ill explain it anyway. Whimsicott supports Miraidon with priority Tailwind to boost Miraidon's Speed and Encore to threaten Fake Out users and setup Pokemon such as Nasty Plot Calyrex-S

• Iron Hands - AV Iron Hands is one of the single greatest things ever. Iron Hands is a bulky mon its one of the few mons than can survive a hardon engine boosted cs DM from Miraidon. Wild Charge lets us ohko urs, And 2shot CRI on electric terrain. Drain Punch recovers the damage done by WC, Fake out is just a great move. Low speed to make sure i outspeed incin in tr and tera water so that way ill resist SS from URs and GL from CRI.

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• Farigiraf - Electric Seed Farigiraf is the Other Half to my CS Miraidon, its Ability AT stops opposing fake out and other prio moves, Trick Room is there to A) Hopefully prevent opponents from wanting to set up their tr and B) as a way to counter tr users. Foul Play is there to let me hit both Calyrex-S & I, and HH is there to boost either CRS or Miraidon.

• Chi-Yu - It was a toss up between Chi-Yu and URS, but in the end i chose Chi because of its typing and how beneficial it is on the team, Thanks to beads of ruin it lets miraidon pick up ohkos on mons like CRS, Zacian-C, and chien-pao.

[wispy night]

i wanted to override indeedee terrain and worst case senario is speed tie as i have tr problems

[inner grove]

Looking for help to finish multi-mode Reg I team, ill send a link if someone could help me finish up and change some pokemon that would be great. BTW Raikou is not a mon i want changed, moveset upds are appreciated, but my challenge was to build a team and beat my brother with it, using raikou. Any unfinished EVs or sets is because i need some help to finish. The team: https://pokepast.es/6c986648bfa5e53e. Edit: I don't understand most abbreviations, so not many of those won't be too helpful.

Raikou has a ~70% chance to live tera ghost helping hand Calyrex shadow astral barrage so that's nice. Edit: Most aren't even tera ghost is what i learned from Reg G. Sun boosted flamethrower from Chi-yu 100% OHKO's Shadow in sun. So might change fire blast to flamethrower for accuracy

[normal nacelle]

you can usually just bring rilla in the back and pivot it in

allows you to fake out once they tr

and you can kinda just click powerful attacks vs those teams anyways

[inner grove]

@normal nacelle Do you know of a way I can improve the team

[normal nacelle]

if you want to use raikou I dont think you should build around it offensively

it's an alright support mon with snarl and webs and it's a lot faster than bolt

because well it just doesnt do enough as an attacker

this is reg i right? you can (and should) use two restricted pokemon not just one

[inner grove]

I get that but when I played on showdown double ubers it felt really good to play

[normal nacelle]

would also reccomend putting reg i into the format for the builder instead of gen9doublesubers because they are different formats with different available mons

[inner grove]

I can do that?

[normal nacelle]

yeah

[inner grove]

I didn't know lol

[normal nacelle]

you have too many supporting mons raikou doesnt need torn+cress+incin+chi yu

[inner grove]

Chi-yu isn't really support more damage

[normal nacelle]

if you want to use offensive raikou I would reccomend just trying to build around it+a restricted mon

it's a bit of both

[inner grove]

And cress supports calyrex with tr and HH for whole team

[normal nacelle]

calyrex can set tr itself and you dont really need helping hand

if you really want it use it on incin or something

[inner grove]

Incin gets helping hand?

But i feel like incin is cramped for moves generally

[normal nacelle]

your raikou set is also not great imo, thunder is bad cuz it's innacurate discharge hits your partner

u dont need scald/aura sphere

[sleek laurel]

From this Gen onwards yes

But it’s strapped for moveslots

[normal nacelle]

I would reccomend going tbolt/volt switch/ewebs/snarl or something like thar

[inner grove]

Thunder is 100% acc cos torn has rain dance

[sleek laurel]

Also yea, if you want to use Raikou then using it as a fast Raging Bolt is

Quite interesting actually

[sleek laurel]

You can’t assume Rain is always active

20 power isn’t worth being forced to bring Tornadus AND Rain Dance with it

[inner grove]

Was prob gonna switch scald for weather Ball for water and fire coverage in one move

[sleek laurel]

In every game just to actually click your Electric/type STAB

[inner grove]

Fair point there, I'll switch thunder for tbolt

[sleek laurel]

Lol

I’d still go for the support set but if you’re really set on using it offensively then

Tbolt + volt switch + two coverage moves

Volt switch is still great to deal damage while switching out offensively, kinda like Landorus-T used to work in former generations

[inner grove]

Ok, yea ill add volt

[sleek laurel]

Yea do that

Then ig you can use it as a very budget Miraidon

[inner grove]

Isn't weather ball 100 BP in weather?

[sleek laurel]

Yes

And 150 if it’s Rain/Sun

Because it also gets the natural boost

[inner grove]

Crazy

Raikou with av and 108 spdef is a really good check to scarf kyogre

[sleek laurel]

It is probably worth stating that

[inner grove]

Bc element of surprise

[sleek laurel]

You won’t be getting too much damage out of it

[inner grove]

It lives max hp water spout and can live 2 after a tbolt on ogre

[sleek laurel]

If you’re building a standard team with it then that can work but again, you’re doing this because you want to

[sleek laurel]

LOL

Ok wait

[inner grove]

I ran the calcs it does

[sleek laurel]

You can probably fit Snarl or Electroweb as your fourth move

After TBolt, Volt Switch and Weather Ball

[inner grove]

Ight

[sleek laurel]

You don’t really have any other coverage above 80 BP

(Which is trash)

[inner grove]

I'll probably use snarl so I have a s
Way to lower sp atk and atk with incin

[sleek laurel]

And it helps you as a Kyogre check while also having a niche against other fast attackers

Yea I would do Snarl too

Because you already have Tornadus

[inner grove]

Spoopy face

[sleek laurel]

This is getting real cool now tbh

[inner grove]

Also, what are the other 2 moves on caly ice

[sleek laurel]

Offensive support Raikou is a take I have never seen before

[inner grove]

It has lance and prot

[sleek laurel]

Show me the full team as is rn please

But

High Horsepower and Trick Room

99% of the time

[inner grove]

Alr

[sleek laurel]

You can change High Horsepower for Close Combat depending on the team

Because that OHKOs Incineroar

But it’s very situational

[inner grove]

Would max def body press be a good option or nah?

[sleek laurel]

Because the coverage is considerably worse and you lose bulk which is CIR’s stuff

Nah, you need attack

[inner grove]

Ok

Ima head on PC for easier typing and I'll copy paste the team

[sleek laurel]

A good rule of thumb for Ice Rider

Is that “if you clicked Glacial Lance without being punished, it was a good Ice Rider turn”

[inner grove]

Yeh

[sleek laurel]

Bet

Ping when you’re back

I wanna see the end state of this

[inner grove]

@sleek laurel hi again

[sleek laurel]

Hi

[inner grove]

Heres the team

[sleek laurel]

But it’s heat

[inner grove]

without any of the changes mentioned

https://pokepast.es/6c986648bfa5e53e

[sleek laurel]

Send in a Pokepaste format- oh ok

I saw you typing and was like “oh god”

LMAO

And after the changes?

[inner grove]

ill do it nnow

[sleek laurel]

Bet

[inner grove]

Rai's finished

[sleek laurel]

Other than the Raikou set, I would recommend changing Cresselia for Urshifu-Rapid

Reasonings:

[inner grove]

I would but Chi-yu has the scarf

and it checks some commons threats like shadow ice and zama

Oh yeah what evs for Caly ice

[sleek laurel]

• You have Rain, which makes Brokeshifu even More Brokeshifu
• Cresselia is redundant here with CIR
• Your team is reliant on Speed control, which can be stalled out with Protect, which Brokeshifu doesn’t care
• It’s broken.

Oh and also

[inner grove]

Also cress has a very good shiny form

[sleek laurel]

Hold up

Since it’s TailRoom

[inner grove]

and rain and sun

[sleek laurel]

Yea

You can either do

Max HP

Or Max Attack

And then a little faster or a little slower

[sleek laurel]

Don’t run double weather

On Torn

[inner grove]

what replaces sunny day then?

[sleek laurel]

Bleakwind Storm

[inner grove]

k

[sleek laurel]

And then you can do Rapidshifu more consistently

You can still keep Chi-Yu btw

You just don’t click Rain Dance if you bring it

Also

And this is what I was gonna say

Rapidshifu is not reliant on Scarf

[inner grove]

What other items are there?

[sleek laurel]

Especially in this team which has both Tailwind and Trick Room, you can do Bulky Mystic Water

Hold up, lemme get you the set

[inner grove]

alr

Also before Chi-yu i was gonna run scarf archaludon lol#

[sleek laurel]

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Unseen Fist
EVs: 60 HP / 140 Atk / 20 Def / 196 SpD / 92 Spe
Tera Type: Poison
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Taunt / Aqua Jet
• Detect

[inner grove]

but it couldnt ohko calyrex shadow

[sleek laurel]

You can choose between either on the 3rd move

[inner grove]

alr

[sleek laurel]

Lmao we’ve all been there

[inner grove]

whats the diff between detect and protect?

[sleek laurel]

You can also do either Tera Water or Tera Grass instead of Poison, or not, all three are viable

[sleek laurel]

Detect cannot be occasionally Imprisoned but has less PP

It’s preference

[inner grove]

So its a very niche diff

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s like

Both come in play once per million games

LOL

[inner grove]

what mon gets and uses imprison and protect though?

[sleek laurel]

Indeedee, Farigiraf, Calyrex-Shadow occasionally

All three rarely do it

[inner grove]

oh

da giraf

[sleek laurel]

Caly-S extremely rarely

But yes

[inner grove]

ive never seen a caly-s ever do smth other barrage me into kingdom come lol

[sleek laurel]

So Bleakwind Storm > Sunny Day on Tornadus

Bulky Mystic Water Rapidshifu > Cresselia

Raikou moveset change

Lemme see what else

[sleek laurel]

LMAO

[sleek laurel]

Snarl is your last Chi-Yu move for sure

Will-O-Wisp > Protect on Incineroar recommended, but most Will-O-Wisp targets ARE threatened by Chi-Yu so it’s not mandatory

And the EV spreads are the last thing ig

[inner grove]

I think ill use taunt cos i got nothing for a mon tryna un tr my tr

[sleek laurel]

I can get you the full spreads

[sleek laurel]

Yea

And also like

Taunt can block Imprison

On Indeedee or Farigiraf

[inner grove]

yeh alr

[sleek laurel]

Which carry Trick Room themselves, therefore blocking it

Lemme get you all the spreads

[inner grove]

thx

[sleek laurel]

Do you want a bulkier Calyrex-I or one with more attack?

[inner grove]

umm

[sleek laurel]

Both are fine here

[inner grove]

Is it possible to combine?

[sleek laurel]

Both are combined

[inner grove]

like high attack but still good bulk

I think rai and chi-yu are fine

[sleek laurel]

The options are 252 HP / 116+ Atk / 4 Def / 20 SpD / 116 Spe

Or 212 HP / 252+ Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 36 Spe

[inner grove]

ima need a fresh start mochi ng;

ngl*

[sleek laurel]

Lol

I can MAYBE arrange you that ingame when I’m home

[inner grove]

i gave caly to my brother cos i didnt think it was as good as it was (i wasnt good at battling ok) and he js max def and atk

[sleek laurel]

But it’ll take a bit because I need to go for one first LOL

[sleek laurel]

Sob

But choose one, I’ll put all sets in a paste

[inner grove]

think ill go max hp

[sleek laurel]

Air

Ait

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/32c88596293f4167

here you go

Changed Tornadus to Covert Cloak + bulky because ignoring Fake Out is critical in this team

[inner grove]

thats what covert does?

[sleek laurel]

Changed a few Tera Types and Flamethrower > Fire Blast on Chi-Yu too, other than that it’s optimal

[sleek laurel]

It ignores ALL secondary effects of moves

Including those with 100% occurance

So Fake Out, Snarl, Electroweb etc

Deal damage but don’t flinch/lower stuff

[inner grove]

so its kind of sheer force?

[sleek laurel]

Well it’s kinda like

[inner grove]

is tera dark for grimm taunt?

[sleek laurel]

Your opponent gets the drawback of Sheer Force without a power boost

Grimm taunt and also Whimsicott Encore

[inner grove]

ok

[sleek laurel]

But you don’t really want to Tera it unless needed

[inner grove]

ye

[sleek laurel]

Flamethrower on Chi-Yu can also be Overheat

It depends on if you want reliability or a one time nuke

[inner grove]

personally ill make a few changes

wanna keep chi-yu's evs the same cos its my only caly-s check

[sleek laurel]

Go ahead lol

Also, what is the reasoning behind the Speed on Raikou?

What does 176 hit again?

[inner grove]

absolutely nothing

[sleek laurel]

Lmao

[inner grove]

i wasnt really thinking i made some evs late

[sleek laurel]

Let me recommend you something then

[inner grove]

My thought process was literally: "speed good"

[sleek laurel]

Go with either 179 to outspeed and Volt Switch out on Ogerpon

Or with 169 to outspeed and click Water-type Weather Ball on Landorus

And either take off or invest in SpA as you do so

[inner grove]

169 outspeeds max speed lando?

[sleek laurel]

Yes

[inner grove]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

Unless Scarf but you’re not outspeed Scarf anyway

[inner grove]

ill send you the new team

[sleek laurel]

Go ahead

[inner grove]

js polishing incin evs

[sleek laurel]

Ait

[inner grove]

wait why so much more def than spdef

intimidate makes its def better anyway

Ill swap def evs for spdef evs and nature

https://pokepast.es/f30ec52228f9d979

Here you go @sleek laurel

wait i forgor covert

[sleek laurel]

Smogdex EV spread

But

You can do 92 Def and 164+ SpD too

Iirc 92 has a calc

100 doesn’t so that’s a bit of a waste

[inner grove]

k

what calc?

btw thanks so much for helping me

[sleek laurel]

I don’t know for sure

My friend gave me the 92 spread

[inner grove]

alr

[sleek laurel]

And no worries man, that’s what this channel is for

Even if I’m not an official rater but

I help with as much as I know lol

[inner grove]

you helped a bunch

Showdown thinks knock off and fake out makes incin bulky phys sweeper

it has 4 atk

evs

Right @sleek laurel heres the finished team so far

https://pokepast.es/7a23c5fb6e9eb50e

[sleek laurel]

Nie

Nice

[inner grove]

im gonna try it out in a battle see how it feels to play

[sleek laurel]

You’re missing 4 EVs on Chi-Yu

For absolute free

But other than that nice

[inner grove]

where to put?

[sleek laurel]

HP lol

[inner grove]

kk

idk if you have a team already but you helped a bunch so you can feel free to use it anytime

[sleek laurel]

I have several but thanks haha

I initially came here to send my own team for an RMT but got caught up in helping yours

LOL

[inner grove]

lol

whats RMT?

[sleek laurel]

Rate My Team

[inner grove]

ah

what do you think of my team?

[sleek laurel]

I’ll do that later because now I gotta go to class

[inner grove]

alr

[sleek laurel]

It’s really interesting

[inner grove]

thx

[sleek laurel]

It’s a concept I never saw used but should be heat

[inner grove]

do you mind if i send a friend request?

[sleek laurel]

Anyway grg lol

Gtg

And go shead

Ahead*

[inner grove]

thx

[sleek laurel]

I can’t type

[inner grove]

fr

[broken shuttle]

i think this is good, only think i would maybe consider is urshifu>chi-yu- it helps dark types a lot more and means you can run a better caly set (dual stab + tera dark)

[jovial creek]

I think that for restricted formats, you should pick your initial 2 restricted mons before you try to build a team of non restricteds.

[jovial creek]

also that tema doesn't look like it would've been very good, even in reg G

[nimble flame]

Do u mean rs? Or SS?

[broken shuttle]

mb i meant ursh-r

[nimble flame]

I tried rs but he just didnt seem to work much in the team

[broken shuttle]

cool

[dense nebula]

Issue is im trying to make a sand team

[untold canopy]

https://pokepast.es/acbba2c4a2c38ddc

I’m not sure who to use as my last Mon

Any recommendations?

[broken shuttle]

ogerpon-c looks good there

sturdy follow me and no real type overlap other thsn whims which doesn't count

[untold canopy]

Ok thank you so much!

[broken shuttle]

nw!

[old kindle]

was wondering how these 2 teams looked and how to improve them, trying to figure out which one i want to use for the rest of reg i
https://pokepast.es/e4611534b420a621
https://pokepast.es/49fd7e88c632f5b8

[broken shuttle]

tbh they're both good

i think the zacian one is a little better

but i would also suggest you either use priority block or put tera ghost on ogre

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/be39ccea1d2f9f55
Is the team good? Probably not

but it has wochien so like who cares

[sleek laurel]

doesn't look terrible tbh, i wouldn't run mega slow miraidon in this metagame tho

and grimmsnarl is far better than sableye atm

[gloomy birch]

I believe your team doesn't have enough damage in it because your only attackers are your restricteds

[sleek laurel]

especially since you already have incin anyway

actually yea good eye

[gloomy birch]

me?

[sleek laurel]

i would probably replace sableye altogether

yea

[sleek laurel]

i actually had a similar team to this

it featured swords dance iron hands

[gloomy birch]

maybe urshifu?

[sleek laurel]

ursh is good here too

[gloomy birch]

also why rocky helemet?

[sleek laurel]

(this was an example, you don't have to run it necessarily btw)

[gloomy birch]

maybe AV would be better

or sitrus

[sleek laurel]

not AV

you really want wisp and parting here

[gloomy birch]

i guess

also kyogre as AV

[sleek laurel]

and flare blitz on a kyogre team = unmove

[old kindle]

for both?

[sleek laurel]

av kyogre i'm not too fond of as a set

i think mystic water is just better

[gloomy birch]

Av kyo is fine

[sleek laurel]

it is fine

i don't mean to say it's bad per se

i don't like it

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[sleek laurel]

but like tldr

[broken shuttle]

i think scarf needs to actually be able to get its moves off

[old kindle]

so either i slap on cloak or tera ghost or slap on an indeedee/farig/tsar?

[broken shuttle]

fake out and priority fuck that up big time

[broken shuttle]

i would go ghost or indd

[old kindle]

i might go indeedee as i suck at countering trick room and using it to reverse might do me better

[sleek laurel]

i would run faster miraidon here, swap sableye for another attacker (rapidshifu is a good call tbh, make it scarf)

[old kindle]

and it gives me an immunity to csr

[gloomy birch]

use Ceree's spread

[sleek laurel]

^

other than that it looks fine

[old kindle]

who do you think i should replace with indeedee?

[sleek laurel]

oh yea also taunt over protect on tornadus

because you're covert cloak

you don't really care about protect much

i guess protect is fine if you need to play for a second tailwind but with this team you really don't care that much

something i've learned playing kyogre + wo-chien/bulky long-term defensive support-oriented kyogre stuff is that tailwind is not as critical

as it is for other kyogre teams

[pallid saffron]

Ill try this ty

[sleek laurel]

glgl

[sleek laurel]

and you can also consider mystic water kyogre with protect > thunder btw

because in hindsight

[broken shuttle]

rilla

fs

[sleek laurel]

you have no counterplay to fake out

AND you already have miraidon so Thunder is quite redundant

it's common for people to want to use thunder with the Electric Terrain buff, but in reality Miraidon already

does everything you need in terms of special electric-type damage

and way more than what you need, at that

[pallid saffron]

I might try this but since im using wochien i think av is better imo

[sleek laurel]

try both tbh

av has the extra bulk which is nice

[pallid saffron]

yeah definitley

[sleek laurel]

the main reason to run mystic water is for the fake out counterplay, not because of mystic water itself

[pallid saffron]

i think if i remove av on ogre ill replace incin with hands and sableye with grimsnarl

[sleek laurel]

but if you find that being pinned by fake out is not too bad with this team since you have so much defensive support

then it's fine

[sleek laurel]

this is also

a move yea

you need to replace one of screeners or incin tho

4 supporters teams just don't output enough damage

[pallid saffron]

honestly I might try swords dance iron hands over incin

[sleek laurel]

sd hands is a fun mon with wo-chien

[sleek laurel]

i would maybe do it over the screen setter tbh because i feel like intimidate and fake out is more valuable here

and without incin then zamazenta + caly-s becomes an issue

miraidon gets heavily overloaded in having to take care of them both while being at a Speed disadvantage vs the caly-s unless you have tailwind

although admittedly, zamazenta + caly-s is an issue to anything and everything

[pallid saffron]

yeah I faced a couple zama calyrexes while testing and sableye actually made it a lot more playable then i expected

[sleek laurel]

actually in hindsight

[pallid saffron]

cus i could ignore zamas body press and quash calyrex

[sleek laurel]

twave from zama

i mean

from grimm

you can tell i'm sleep deprived

[sleek laurel]

completely neuters caly-s

and if it's a tera dark variant then you spirit break it because it can't HOPE to break your grimm

i think it can crit every astral and still lose the 1v1 tbh

[sleek laurel]

but the team looks really nice tbh

other than these minor alterations

sableye + incin was the only thing that really stood out

because you have two will-o-wisp mons that do similar things

you can consider keeping sableye if you're removing incin even but i think it's harder to properly play because it's way less bulky and has a worse typing to deal with caly-s

[pallid saffron]

yeah ill try replacing it with grim and see how it goes

[sleek laurel]

gl

[pallid saffron]

ty

[sleek laurel]

np

[old kindle]

also since im now running prio block, you think im safe to take things off like covert cloak, taunt and fake out? or keep those in case?

first time ive used psy terrain

[broken shuttle]

keep the rest of your sets the same

torn still appreciates covert cloak bc it's flying and flying types aren't affected by psyterrain

so u can still fake them out

and then for fake out and taunt you'll want those for when psyterrain isn't up bc they're so consistent

[old kindle]

oh yeah, i forgot about that

got it

[untold canopy]

I’m thinking of replacing Chi-Yu with Chien-Pao to have a way to destroy terrains that throw me off, is that a good or bad idea

[unborn hull]

When you terrastalize terapagos it turns weather and terrains off

[untold canopy]

Oh I forgot about the terrains part, thank you!

[unborn hull]

Your welcome

[crude tundra]

Idea I had for a Mirai/Kyogre Team, any thoughts? Suggestions for Slot 6?

Not married to any of the picks besides the restricteds, feel free to recommend substitutes

[sleek laurel]

Usually you want to ask this kind of question in #comp-general, this channel is for completed teams only

That said

[crude tundra]

Oh sorry

[sleek laurel]

The picks are all good (except Chi-Yu is suboptimal with Kyogre)

But the sets are weird

[crude tundra]

Yeah I'm completely new to team building from scratch

[sleek laurel]

That’s fine

If you want a Mirai / Kyogre team I can get you one and share some tips

But what I would do here is change Chi-Yu for Incineroar and add a Tornadus

And also set changes ofc

[sleek laurel]

Oh and one thing

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

(Just makes it easier for us lol)

[sleek laurel]

@crude tundra try this, it stays true to your core and just changes the specifics

You can consider Thunder on Mirai over Drift but I wouldn’t recommend it as Rain isn’t eternally active (it has an advantage in guaranteeing the OHKO on Calyrex-I with invested SpDef, but I’m not a fan)

You can also consider Max Attack on Urshifu-R instead of any bulk but Rillaboom is quite annoying and the bulk assures you can survive a Grassy Glide, which is big

If you have any questions for the sets lmk https://pokepast.es/13147931bd66c8bf

Edit: Grimmsnarl was misinputed as Calm in the other link because I am extremely intelligent LOL

[broken shuttle]

sheesh this guy is working overtime alrdy...

[sleek laurel]

😭

I’m on the hype

[crude tundra]

Thanks!

[sleek laurel]

No worries, good luck

[flat oyster]

Alright i'm in the 1300s on showdown

struggling to stay afloat

the data winning team with zama and calyrex is a pain

Running cal zacian

How do I deal with the mirror when astral barrage is my stab?

running orb cals

[south token]

https://pokepast.es/a7f089187ef83827 should i add brute bonnet? or what should i change?

[ripe turret]

I would go either light screen or endeavor instead of protect on whims, light screen gives damage mitigation vs. csr and the likes and you would probably run cloak in that case to stop fake out/other negative effects, or sash endeavor to threaten opposing mons after they hit you (although this is used more often in cts)

[south token]

i never knew whim can use endeavor

[jovial creek]

I would consider fire punch on groudon

a lot of the mons in the current meta are fat

and it will do more damage

light screen whims is a good shout over protect

everything else looks fine

[south token]

what about brute bonnet?

cuz brute bonnet literary is the best counter against caly shadow

sucker punch deletes him

it has access to spore, rage powder

and all from amoonguss

and i think that with groudon it make sense

[jovial creek]

Where

Spore would synergize poorly with electric terrain

[south token]

i forgot about electric terrain

dang

[sharp iris]

Reg i roast my team
https://pokepast.es/534c2d57d88baef1

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thick olive]

hey, can I use kyruem black and white in the same team?

[gloomy birch]

no

[candid jetty]

https://pokepast.es/46a49b16b07c0091

can i get some help fixing my team

seeing if theres anything wrong with it mayb

[sleek laurel]

The regulation has changed, your team seems to be built for Regulation H?

[candid jetty]

oh wait what

wheres the regulations?

i did this for ubers on pokemon showdown lol

ohh wait

my bad

wrong channel

my fault

[sleek laurel]

Oh LOL dw

[sleek laurel]

Miraidon Groudon and Miraidon Sneasler are team cores that have been picking up recently (well, Miraidon Sneasler has been picking up, Miraidon Groudon has seen decent usage since the start), but none of the movesets you’re using are really viable

If you want to use a Miraidon Groudon or a Miraidon Sneasler team I can provide you one

I need to find it first but that takes 10 minutes anyway

[sleek laurel]

As an add-on I’m not sure if Miraidon + Groudon + Sneasler in one team is a thing, it might be, I can look into it for you if you want

But if it isn’t then I’d suggest you pick one of the two cores

[lost phoenix]

It could work with amulet groudon honestly

I dont see any reason why it would be unviable

[sharp iris]

I mean it's usually those 3 and either chu, roar, or nite depending on the enemy comp

Mostly mira sneas opener because a lot of 1shot potential. I choose acro for rillaboom, mongus, and ogre then night slash for spect

Mira is fairy terra fairy hp for mirror match

rest are filler tbh,

Im newer so i prefer unga bunga damage button over fakeout pivot intimidate spam, but i should learn how to use it

I think it's a me issue rather than a team issue

[sleek laurel]

I don’t see it either

I said “I’m not sure”, the teams are really new and I have yet to use one for myself but

[sleek laurel]

Ok when I said “none of the sets”, I exaggerated, the chi-yu and Incin are perfectly fine

The mirai set is weird, I HAVE seen Assault Vest variants but on a Miraidon Groudon team you usually really want Specs Discharge because that’s the main point of Miraidon Groudon

The Groudon set needs a total rework, and Sneasler really wants some protection here (most likely over Acrobatics because it is not clicking Acro on the grasses except maybe Amoong who you don’t care about)

Dragonite is probably fine actually, I skimmed over Extreme Speed at first so that was my mistake mb

[sleek laurel]

And, while Chi-Yu is fine in terms of standard sets, Sun teams usually want Scarf Chi-Yu

Especially since you have no Speed control

In hindsight I guess I exaggerated a bit sorry if it made you feel bad

[sharp iris]

Nah u good

[sleek laurel]

(And I guess you can do Dazzling but it feels counterintuitive)

[sharp iris]

I'm thinking hooh regen brave helping hand invest of nite haha funny danage button

[sleek laurel]

(But probably not bad, Dazzling Specs Miraidon can’t go wrong)

[sleek laurel]

That’s 3 restricteds

[sharp iris]

Oh right lol

[sleek laurel]

Lol

[sharp iris]

Maybe scarf chai cus haha funny grass beats waterfu donbozo kyogre?

[sleek laurel]

Chai?

[sharp iris]

Sineschai

[sleek laurel]

Oh Sinistcha

Nah idt you’re worried about the waters

You have Sun AND a whole Miraidon

I don’t think you have to change any Pokémon tbf

Maybe Dragonite but that has seen usage in Miraidon Sneasler too

And it’s actually a standard Mon on it

And some Mirai Sneasler teams run DozoGiri too

But I don’t think the Pokémon are bad here per se

[sharp iris]

Yeah this the mira chi roar and nite were cut from a reg g team, took sneas from my reg f team swalped grassy to electric seed then i frestyled the other 2, what grou set should i do? I have pblade tect rslide right now

I'm tempted to slot in maushold-arcanine justified beatup instead of roar-nite. Fblitz, espeed, crunch, and either morningsun, psyfang, or wildcharge

[sleek laurel]

Makes sense, Mirai Chi Incin is common

I gotta brb for 10 minutes

And will get back at you after breakfast

[sleek laurel]

Sorry, took longer

I have a Local today lol

But anyway, don’t switch Incin for Arcanine

Maushold can be considered in theory but idt you need to do this change at all

And it’s also

EXTREMELY niche

I think your Pokémon selection is fine really, just the movesets and also EV spreads

[sharp iris]

Ah ok

[stoic silo]

https://pokepast.es/93caef336852df19 Any reccomendations? (im fairly new)

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @sleek laurel, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

I'm not sure how well those 2 restricted mons pair up because both of them want to use tera

I could see that working with mirai over pagos

And then maybe grimmsnarl over cornerstone to provide screens for Gholdengo

[stoic silo]

aight

ill try that

[stoic silo]

https://pokepast.es/dbc7fd40f864449b it seems like it is working well

[sharp iris]

My inner meme is telling me murkrow for haze/tailwind instead of cott

Checks neighs, zacian, swords, ditto, scaleshot

That and haze with draco meteor/make it rain/close combat/overheat is funny

Then dengos nasty plot can swap to tbolt (or trick if you're feeling spicy)

Protect on chi-yu can go a long way especially if focus sashed. Can let your other special mons get the ko they need, or target take out things that would outspeed chi-yu

[broken shuttle]

yeah this looks good

[gloomy birch]

add some speed investment in CIR maybe 116 evs?

[unborn hull]

https://pokepast.es/6d18e95299e4ea91
(Clarification: own tempo on smeargle was a mistake I forgot to change the ability to moody)

Zacian-c: outspeeds the 135 spe mons, i dropped sacred sword for play rough for a better matchup against koraidon, but i wanted swords dance since intimidate gave me trouble. Does huge damage, has the best typing in the game in my opinion, and ok bulk. I chose tera-normal vs calyrex-s.

Kyogre: i felt this is an underrared mon right now, it has very nice special bulk and can deal huge damage with all its modifiers (rain, mystic water, and stab), i originally ran tera watee but amoonguss in tr gave me too much trouble. It gives me another option against dragon types, and can deal HUGE damage with max hp water spout.

Incineroar.

Farigiraf is a pokemon i hated since I really hated its set in reg g, but i feel it has more utility now, this is mainly due to there being 2 prominent psychic ghost restricteds in reg I now, it offers anti-tr, helping hand, good but inconsistent damage with foul play, and i ran psychic over psychic noise due to anti-healing bejng too specific, i ran safety goggles for anti-amoonguss

Urshifu-r

Smeargle my newest addition, it just offers, great support, fake out, spore to put opponents to sleep, decorate being good since im scared of zacian getting fakeouted before pulling off a swords dance, my 4th move im deciding between follow me for redirection, power split for insane damagw reduction, and wide guard.

[flat oyster]

https://pokepast.es/b52129770b247392 What do we think?

[flat oyster]

I run tera ground tbh with blast but find myself countering miraidon and other electric mons that are a problem. I find astral barrage cals easy to handle with its original typing

Also incin ez tera blast as a ground type

[broken shuttle]

10 btw

i think power split is interesting

u need follow me on smeargle tho

so drop either that or decorate for follow me

[jovial creek]

I think power split is a funny idea

[broken shuttle]

yeah

[jovial creek]

but too niche

id drop it

[broken shuttle]

u have detect on scarf ursh BTW

quiet ogre is odd

[jovial creek]

what is that giratina trying to do

[broken shuttle]

what does it underspeed

[unborn hull]

Alr, my main idea was countering clear amulet

[jovial creek]

that team just looks all over the place

[broken shuttle]

on what

[unborn hull]

What does 10 mean

[unborn hull]

Smeargle power split clear amulet koraidon for example

[broken shuttle]

(5/6^2)/72

[broken shuttle]

if you get a free turn into koraidon u should be clicking spore into it

[unborn hull]

Oh yeah fair point

[broken shuttle]

i think ogre is weird here

you need more speed control

bc you definitely don't always want to be running it in tr

esp considering you have a scarf urshifu and zacian

i think i would maybe consider scarf ogre here

and then making ursh sash and replacing smeargle for tornadus

https://pokepast.es/1800bb24e10b67d9

so smth like this

i'd maybe also consider hydro on kyo

over opulse

[unborn hull]

Srry when you said ogre thought you meant ogerpon and got confused. Quiet nature is to counter groudon

[broken shuttle]

i mean

u don't want to set tr against groudon

[unborn hull]

No I meant slower pokemon sets weather

[broken shuttle]

i mean

you could just use torn and prankster rd

or keep kyogre in the back

not worth making it slower

bc it makes your matchups worse into everything else

[unborn hull]

So far running kyogre on farigirafs tr has been ok as its slower than most restricteds

[broken shuttle]

it's just inconsistent

[unborn hull]

It wont outspeeds most restricteds even with speed investment

[broken shuttle]

bc you're entirely dependent on farigaraf for your speed control

[broken shuttle]

that's why you run things like tornadus

[broken shuttle]

which is not particularly consistent

[unborn hull]

So youre saying something like 204 hp / 212 def / 20 spa / 12spd / 60 spe maybe could worj

[broken shuttle]

not rly

i'm saying you should consider adjusting the team to include more speed control

i would use this kyo spread anyways

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 4 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 108 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

[unborn hull]

Hm alright

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/36d94b5d474d3a64

you could so smth like this

[unborn hull]

Why drop def so low, its already not that bulky, koraidon collision course which one of the restricted si suck against is koraidon does a ton if dmg

[broken shuttle]

it does a ton of damage anyways lmfao

you don't need that much defense on ogre

u get a lot more out of speed and special attack

[unborn hull]

Also ive been meaning to get detect out of scarf urshifu but i kept forgetting

[broken shuttle]

having both torn and farigarf gives you way more dynamic speed control into faster and slower teams

[flat oyster]

I ran a couple of matches didn't work how I imagined

Was trying to make a team that dissolved protect

[unborn hull]

P.S before smeargle i had grimmsnarl is that good?

[broken shuttle]

so into stuff like groudon you can reverse trick room if they set it

[broken shuttle]

i mean it's fine

[jovial creek]

wdym dissolved

[broken shuttle]

you really need torn tho

[unborn hull]

Alr

[broken shuttle]

or roaring moon

[flat oyster]

moves that or abilities that ignore protect like Urshifus

[broken shuttle]

ah

hence shadow force

[flat oyster]

yep

[broken shuttle]

unnecessary

[jovial creek]

oh

[unborn hull]

Thx for the help

[jovial creek]

just leave it to shifu

[broken shuttle]

giratina is a bad mon

[broken shuttle]

^

[flat oyster]

figured that out fast

wasn't fun

ran a smurf account on showdown

[broken shuttle]

yw

[jovial creek]

yeah I could see that

[flat oyster]

I feel like high meta right now for reg I is clouded with protect so shifu is like on every team

Was looking for a mon in addition to him that ignored it that either responded well with trick room matches or outsped others

[jovial creek]

yeah protect is common but I feel like

you don't need to do anything about that

and there isn't much you can do anyway

[flat oyster]

yeah: https://pokepast.es/33bdc54f7dd3df24 about to hit 1300 with this team on main

Playing like 5 matches a day just casually

[jovial creek]

thats looks fine

lemme

fix up eleki set

[flat oyster]

volt switch over beam

tera ele?

That thing cruises against match ups in my fav haha

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/546c4e6b631aa7b7

could go

covert cloak

and then electric

but I think you want a way around fake out

nvm cloak is on whims

[flat oyster]

ye I start whim zac or cal with fakeout teams

usually handle incin or rilla with ease

most don't even run rilla with chi-yu on team against me

[vast path]

https://pokepast.es/bca20701331ad975 never played vgc before and wanted to try to make an oranguru trick room team. No clue if ive ignored any major threats or not, and have no idea what tera types would be good

[jovial creek]

I'll make

some changes

for you

and try to leave the orang ig

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/ac8146d496707f1e

made this

I'm not quite sure what last yet

[vast path]

i immediately fought goggles taunt umbreon that shut down my entire team

😭

[vast path]

follow me evo celfable maybe?

[jovial creek]

for what

[vast path]

to not get taunted? idk

[jovial creek]

thats why you have follow me indeedee

[vast path]

oh

i cant read

incin?

[jovial creek]

anti synergy with psychic terrain

which I forgot to add

oop

[vast path]

lando?

wait no too fast

wyrdeer has expanding force+intimidate

[jovial creek]

too many psychic

[vast path]

crawdaunt?

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/0b3ee046b68e5897

there we go

[humble lichen]

dawn wings necrozma?

[jovial creek]

157 spa expanding force

[humble lichen]

ok fair

hard trick room too