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broken shuttle
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if you run scarf then swap taunt for u turn

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if you run sash or mystic swap either aqua jet or taunt for protect

inner basin
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Ok

thick olive
crude bane
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Hai im new to teambuilding in pokemon and recently just got really interested in pokemon battling especially in the vgc format. So i just made a team recently using the amount of limited knowledge i have so far about the game and i wanted some advice on what i can do to better improve my team and know what fits well with what so heres my rough draft of my team so far (im making a hyper offensive teams)

Lead : Great tusk
Wallbreakers : Black Kyurem and Armarouge
Sweepers : Urshifu ss, dragapult
cleaner : Greninja

broken shuttle
# thick olive https://pokepast.es/55b97854919cc2fa hey, I've thrown together a first team base...

the current regulation we're in allows the usage of restricted pokemon which your team doesn't have, here's a list of sample teams to get you started, if you build a team later on with a restricted pokemon feel free to send it by! https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/

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Welcome to VGC 2025 Scarlet and Violet Regulation G Sample Teams Thread! The purpose is to highlight a collection of tried and tested teams with strong tournament results that represent the current state of the game, and is meant to help newer players get into the VGC...

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sleek laurel
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Does most Ursh run Protect or Detect anyway?

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I know this is about as relevant as having 0 ATK IVs on a 4x Dark-resistant Special attacker with Own Tempo but liiiiiike

broken shuttle
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and i agree for the most part

broken shuttle
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imprison tect is kinda unreal

tribal void
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isn't like the only thing that runs imprison now is just calyI?

wild sonnet
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Hi, I'm pretty new to competitive pokemon and played a bit with rental teams but I wanted to try and make one, this is my attempt: https://pokepast.es/69e9aa6e8e51db94
Usually I start with indeedee and lunala to setup trick room and try to get a sweep or some damage with lunala, then if there aren't threats I bring in Ursaluna, if there is something dangerous like urshifu that could destroy it I try to take them out or maybe bring in amoong us to put them to sleep. I also have Wide Guard on lunala to defend Ursaluna from calyrexes. What do you think?

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burnt surge
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Don't shorten things to CP

wild sonnet
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lol yeah didn't think about that

sonic wind
# wild sonnet Hi, I'm pretty new to competitive pokemon and played a bit with rental teams but...

I think this is a bit too focused on Trick Room without being hard TR. If you won't commit to full trick room with like 3 TR setters and a slow restricted its better to have options outside of Trick Room. Ogerpon -> Tornadus is what I'd recommend as it's better with Urshifu and you have Pokemon that don't care about being in Tailwind. And then here is some minor stuff

Amoonguss should be 27 Speed IVs or below to be slower than Calyrex-Ice and Ursaluna in Trick Room.

Urshifu is probably best as a Focus Sash set to forgive being slower than certain opponents.

Teras are all over the place, Amoonguss should be Water, Ursaluna can be Ghost, Indd can be Grass, Lunala can be Grass/Fairy, Tornadus can be Dark, and Urshifu appreciates Stellar if Sash.

wild sonnet
thick olive
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Hey, this is the team I've been running but I'm not using any of the restricted pokemon and I feel like I could improve on the team

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any feedback?

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I'm willing to explain the roles of any pokemon on the team

distant trellis
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ngl when it comes to reg g

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you need to pick your restricted and build around it

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not running a restricted pokemon is an active detriment

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and I can't rly think of one that would slot in cleanly here because restricted mons play so wildly differently to non restricted mons due to their sheer power

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in addition to this a lot of these sets are kinda goofy

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endeavour quick attack smeargle is a joke leftovers on maushold is lowk a waste and maushold fills a similar albeit not identical role to smeargle, regardless you wouldn't run both, Lava Plume hits ur own partners on chi yu which is not good for such an overhwlmingly powerful mon, etc etc

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I'd just run a sample team

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distant trellis
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a lot of these evs are pretty whatever tho

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you would be right about that

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but for instance flutter mane can absolutely run max spa max speed

bright gull
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Well here I go without realizing all mine are Max speed also lol, I guess that's just how smogon recommends works

distant trellis
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if you just want the team to be fun then this isn't rly the place

bright gull
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Ah, just the general channel then?

distant trellis
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well, ig, the thing is this is ultimately a competitive pokemon discord

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there's nothing wrong with running teams for fun and tryna make it work

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but generally we're here to make them the best we can make them

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if you wanna keep zoroark and rayquaza tho and try to make this team the best it can be I could probably help you out in dms

bright gull
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Sure, I wouldn't mind advice

distant trellis
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alrighty then

bright gull
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I found this one which seems close to what I was trying to do

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jovial creek
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probably hearthflame over maus

tidal pelican
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Am I insane or is prankster skill swap sableye + spore amoongus kind of a good idea?

sharp elm
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Naoto (Miraidon) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 172 HP / 4 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Modest Nature

  • Electro Drift
  • Volt Switch
  • Draco Meteor
  • Dazzling Gleam

Kanji (Incineroar) (F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 11 Spe

  • Flare Blitz
  • Knock Off
  • U-turn
  • Fake Out

Akihiko (Urshifu) (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 4 HP / 236 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Wicked Blow
  • Sucker Punch
  • Close Combat
  • Detect

Shinjiro (Ursaluna) @ Flame Orb
Ability: Guts
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 172 Def / 84 SpD
Brave Nature

  • Earthquake
  • Facade
  • Swords Dance
  • Protect

Fuuka (Ogerpon-Wellspring) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Power Whip
  • Play Rough

Takemi (Gothitelle) @ Leftovers
Ability: Shadow Tag
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 4 SpA / 28 SpD / 20 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Psychic
  • Taunt
  • Protect
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How is this? I'm just building my first team. First 3 are ripped straight from Dyl's EUIC team, next 3 were 'fuck-around-and-find-outs'

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Im going to try Wolfe' EUIC Incineroar as well

distant trellis
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you already can't sleep the grasses let alone the darks too

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distant trellis
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redirection shuts that down in a heartbeat and opens up the opponent to go for big damage

pallid saffron
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https://pokepast.es/a7f864918f2ce79d
Sander Tiggelman did fairly well with this team in stockholm so i wanted to try it but i dont know what EVS to use. Any reccomendations would be nice. Also what should i do into cir, csr, and terapagos

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random wagon
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into csr you can prob get off webs and KO with etern/urshifu

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or go the flutter route

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into CIR i would try and get the KO wtih sludge bomb + Tera Fire Cudgel or chip it down with araq and ignore glacial lance with wide guard

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terap urshifu and tinkaton do nice

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break tera shell with fake out and ko with cc

pallid saffron
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Tysm

willow steppe
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calyrex shadow and indeedee in the back and then usually urshifu+hatterene or pelliper and archaludon in front

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sharp iris
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https://pokepast.es/a603285bd3eb7002 roast my team

My thoughts were there's like 12 opener combos with 1st turn switches depending on scenario, all meant to 1shot most enabling leads.

Nite and bundle are flexible slots, just good one shit buttons and generic boltbeam

Ive thought of going dualspeed with boltbeam vaporwave duck or having bannana duck for healspam, but having an espeed damage button or outrage is allways nice.

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# willow steppe https://pokepast.es/eeff1f024313fdcd

solid team! The core of Calyrex-S (i will refer to it as CSR) and Indeedee works really well. A few changes, as the rest of the team feels odd:

Tera Fairy Tera Blast can be swapped out for Tera Ghost and Pollen Puff, Tera Ghost just lets you do more damage with Astral Barrage, while Pollen Puff hits Dark- and Psychic-types, notably opposing Indeedee. Tera Stellar can be used as well to get a general boost.

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indeedee looks ok, but Tera Fairy, Water, or even Dragon would give you much more.

Heal Pulse also isnt great, adding an attacking move like Psychic or Dazzling Gleam works well.

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Archaludon only really works when next to Kyogre, but I think Urshifu-R works nicely here.

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Since we now have added Urshifu-R, Urshifu-S has to go. Iron Hands is a good option here, as, with Low Kick, it can easily KO Zamazenta-C and, with Heavy Slam, can pick up Flutter Mane.

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Hatterene is cool and all but only really works with Hard TR, so maybe Iron Crown as a faster Expanding Force user could work. It also strengthens your Miraidon MU.

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Pelipper is probably fine, but I think Focus Sash is almost necessary for it in a format with this high of a power level.

With that, you can run Tera Stellar/Ghost isntead.

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# sharp iris https://pokepast.es/a603285bd3eb7002 roast my team My thoughts were there's lik...

i think this team is actually quite solid! Here are the major tweaks i would make:

Iron Bundle is like super mid, i think you can run Booster Energy Flutter Mane here to keep Icy Wind while getting a better MU into Koraidon and CSR.

And some minor ones:

Flash Cannon on Miraidon is pretty useless, as Electro Drift 99% of the time does more damage. Volt Switch is a good replacement to pivot around.

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Sneasler is pretty cool, although I don’t think Night Slash is all that great, especially since Incineroar and Flutter Mane are good counterplay into CSR. Close Comabt is probably a good replacement there. I would also use Tera Ghost and drop Acrobatics for Fake Out because Dire Claw already hits most of what Acrobatics hits.

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Incineroar should run Sitrus Berry over Aguav Berry for recovery as it tends to be more reliable. A Tera type of Ghost, Dragon, or Water all work nicely. Flare Blitz can be dropeed for Will-O-Wisp if you want, although it isnt totally required

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inner basin
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The gastrodon is filler since i didn’t know what to put in the last team slot

random wagon
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kyogre / flutter mane / urshifu-r / tornadus / rillaboom

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smth like that ig

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with pao as well

grim cape
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What does the clear amulet do again?

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grim cape
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I see

tribal void
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https://pokepast.es/0d6dddbf9537b952 Sash calys feels cool against stuff that would usually ohko it like miraidon or a calyI thats had a little too many boosts however priority like sucker punch kind of is a problem for the team but the problem is that i have no idea how id fit priority blocking in, maybe replace ogerpon? Also wisp is kind of a scare physical attackers away/force tera option since i don't click nasty plot much and wisp provides more pressure against physical attackers than the idea of clicking np. Also was thinking i would have problems against pagos but i have no idea how id play around those teams

cursive mason
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I think I’d recommend tera ghost for sash csr btw

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Esp on a set that doesn’t have setup

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I think you need that offensive presence from tera ghost

tribal void
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yeah ig tera ghost would be much better than tera water but the other stuff doesn't get much better though

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follow me from ogerpon works ish ig

broken shuttle
# sharp elm https://pokepast.es/18352bf65ddf081f any thoughts?

this looks good, you just need a few tera type adjustments, i'd recommend tera water on farigaraf and urshifu and then tera dark on whimsicott. i'd also recommend running this covert cloak whimsicott as it means you're less dependant on farigaraf to block fake out, and with light screen you massively improve your calyrex-shadow matchup

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Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 236 HP / 164 SpD / 108 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Moonblast
  • Tailwind
  • Light Screen
  • Encore
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lethal bridge
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https://pokepast.es/308a2ef0976cdb56 first time making a TR and psyspam team, would love to hear feedback! (i hate calyrex-ice so i wanna keep lunala and i porygon2 has the 12 speed EVs so it doesn't speed tie Armarouge)

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broken shuttle
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i don't think either of those three are really conducive to hard tr in reg g

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p2 and iron hands are a touch too balance-focused to really be hard tr mons

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and armorouge gets really outclassed and outdamaged in reg g

lethal bridge
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i wanna keep armarouge because it's the entire reason i made the team lacalaca

broken shuttle
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i mean you can

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it just gets outclassed

lethal bridge
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yea makes sense, what do you think i should use instead of p2 and hands

broken shuttle
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i would test lilligant-hisui + torkoal

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it gives your team another strong breaker in trick room that underspeeds and threatens to KO amoonguss and the option for a fast mode with lilligant-hisui's after you

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lethal bridge
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ight i'll give it a try (with armarouge instead of hatterene lol) tysm for the feedback

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would life orb or another item work with armarouge or should i keep the psychic seeds

broken shuttle
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you could try life orb

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only issue is arma makes you super weak to incineroar since it doesn't have any real way to hit it

lethal bridge
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i could use aura sphere for incin instead of psyshock

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broken shuttle
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what are you trying to build

fringe hare
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How is this core looking? I want to make sure it's viable before I start adding to it

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Archuladon is the bulkiest, sets up hazards and paralyzes

Kyogre sets up Stamina with the weak earthquake, after that it buffs itself and sweeps with origin pulse

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The Draco Meteor is essentially a nuke on standby and foul play is to counter Calyrex and Urshifu

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# wispy night https://pokepast.es/45ba7400d4d8ff07 how do i make this better

both torn and whims are redudant as they compete for very similar roles, amd hex on amoongus is a dead slot tbh because amoongus just isn't hitting anything super hard with it ig aside from caly s after it goes to sleep and even then you're better off exploiting a sleeping caly s with another pokemon, like dark urshifu, this team is also p weak to calyrex ice while yes you do have a zacian with no redirection or tera grass its susceptible to spore from amoongus and its very afraid of the potential close combat. your only real answer does become dark urshifu and caly I's teammates are more than capable of dealing with that, meanwhile 3 grasses and a flying type just drops

by proxy of the 3 grasses you are also very weak to sun

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jovial creek
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Maybe just something for cir there

ornate cloak
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Wait

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Eh ig

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Ihands maybe?

jovial creek
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Hands seems good

ornate cloak
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I'm not even using the team rn, i switched to a tr team

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I'll send that for advice if that's alright

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jovial creek
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Imo you should just run hard trick room with the first 3

tribal void
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most other matchups seem fine

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but they go from fine to bad when fake out's in the equation

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i want to slot in a farig or something but don't know what i would even swap out and if they would even be good in the first place

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also was wondering if i should have a more defensive tera type on zac

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how tf did i get purple

tribal void
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update: my calyI mirai matchup feels pretty hellish to play

ornate cloak
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Maybe Torkoal and Ursaluna?

inner basin
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https://pokepast.es/e52f8d645d4d9b3c

regulation g

The while goal of my team is to abuse high damage with flutter, kora, or raging bolting. Then if i have an opportunity i can switch my win condition to be a perish trap using gothitelle to trap and flutter mane ith perish song, then either incineroar or whimiscott for support/stall.

since flutter is my perisher, i invested into its bulk rather then speed.

The problems I’ve been running into is i feel like im outsped even when i have whim tailwind as speed control. Also i feel like i could be doing something different with raging bolting (or should I change him?)

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sleek laurel
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https://pokepast.es/253023f24aa5913c

My first Reg I team, I built this a while ago in tandem with some friends

Also considered Farig but found it hard to slot, not sure if y'all can fit it in

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dammit 20 minutes too early

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oh well

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edit: fixed Miraidon nature

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jovial creek
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its already so optimized

inner basin
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Alright

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tribal void
sleek laurel
sterile cedar
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https://pokepast.es/4459ff2645502187 trying a tail room team. Terapagos is good at checking the weather/terrain. flutter and torn cover terapagos’s fighting weakness, and entei is a check to zama. Haven’t got all the ev’s down, especially speed tiers

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i don’t think a lot of your mons do enough immediate damage to actually pressure the big threats to your team

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i would go for rain dance tornadus and tera water choice scarf urshifu-r so that you can offensively pressure calyrex-s and zamazenta immediately

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and then assault vest raging bolt over flutter mane, you can do smth like electroweb/volt switch/thunderclap/draco meteor and with tera fairy it helps into koraidon and miraidon and heavy slam zama a lot

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and then after those changes go safety goggles taunt incineroar so that you can better support pagos and cir through taunt support

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i would also suggest a faster ice rider spread that can actually hit some benchmarks in tailwind

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Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Glacial Lance
  • High Horsepower
  • Protect
  • Trick Room
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this should work

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i would suggest tera water or fire here

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sleek laurel
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everything bar the zama spread (which was given to me by a friend) is from smogdex

sleek laurel
broken shuttle
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mish

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no

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honestly just think if ur gonna go timid mirai you should go max speed

sleek laurel
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ohhhhh i see

sleek laurel
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luca's mirai had 12 spdef

broken shuttle
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if you aren’t gonna outspeed all of them that level of creep is just greed IMO

sleek laurel
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the current arubega spread is like

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500 ev points worth

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which I believe is just probably a misinput

sleek laurel
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since i have tw i might just go with the arubega one tbh

broken shuttle
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yh fair

teal jacinth
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jovial creek
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And it should work

sleek laurel
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and probably some EV spread tweaking but this is peak

tribal void
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sleek laurel
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but Tera Ghost is optimal on Sash sets because it gives you an out vs Fake Out

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especially since you're running Light Screen

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sleek laurel
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yea fair, and don't worry lol

teal jacinth
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Being real do I need both hands and Zamazenta if I'm running a built in trick room mode?
My thought process on it over Zacian (the other duo i want to try) was might work better with the farigiraf cores ran with Miraidon in reg g.

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sleek laurel
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i'd do chien-pao or urshifu-r

teal jacinth
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I'll give them a try.

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While I'm here, what other restricteds would work next to Miraidon?

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i would also consider changing amoonguss to an ogerpon cornerstone, the team you already have is pretty offensive and doesn’t necessarily need to slow play it with amoonguss

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ogerpon-c assists into rain and offers more consistent redirection for calyrex

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sleek laurel
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The team looks neat imo but it feels like a bit too heavily TR committed without being entirely HardRoom, I had a similar-ish thing for Reg G but it still had an Electroweb Raging Bolt and used the 36 Speed spread on CIR

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I'd personally run like, Icy Wind on Flutter + the 36 Speed CIR but take this one with a grain of salt

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Someone better than me can rate more accurately lol

severe basin
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Nvm

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I get it

finite bridge
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https://pokepast.es/7dac6364f40dd201

tried to get a team together including regirock bc hes cool and Im shiny hunting him rn. New to vgc so any recommendations for improvements would be much appreciated

broken shuttle
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also go spacial rend over dragon pulse on palk

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and make your zacian jolly

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you need to outspeed miraidon

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this spread is good

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Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 156 Atk / 20 Def / 28 SpD / 172 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Behemoth Blade
  • Play Rough
  • Swords Dance
  • Protect
broken shuttle
# severe basin https://pokepast.es/1979705f14fa34af Reg I TR team

i agree with stallsun's comments, i think i would test out safety goggles farigaraf over indeedee, as it's still decently consistent priority block and makes your team less dependant on terrain (which you can get rid of with pagos anyways)

i would also make amoonguss into ogerpon-cornerstone and iron hands into AV incineroar, this will still give you good lines into miraidon while also making up for the general passivity of some of the other pieces

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i would also make your flutter mane bulky with booster energy speed, sash is nice, but i think it's less consistent into a lot of important matchups where you really need the speed

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one of these two spreads should work

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i would consider tera normal flutter mane to better take on calyrex-shadow as well

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test this out and see how it feels

broken shuttle
finite bridge
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Yea I’m starting to learn vgc and I wanted to build a team with regirock and slapped it together with some random stuff and trying to make trick room work.

broken shuttle
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let me see what i can come up with

broken shuttle
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you probably won't bring regirock a lot of the time because honestly it can be pretty passive outside of that one matchup

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but it should help into calyrex-ice which is a huge plus using koraidon

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to be honest regirock is just not the best, but this is probably a fairly consistent way of running it

finite bridge
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Wow thank you so much

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You came up with that crazy fast ur a legend. I’ll try this out for sure

broken shuttle
onyx bear
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If im looking to get into vgc what advice would you give to someone new to competitive Pokémon

rotund fossil
drifting onyxBOT
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rotund fossil
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Whoops, teras too

jovial creek
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want me to fix it up for you?

rotund fossil
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Sure!

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I know caly S and zam are a good duo, just trying to capitalize on that for starters

jovial creek
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they are definitely a good duo

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but also I think ladder will be prepared for it

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you could go pollen puff>nasty plot on csr

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since you don't have too much stuff to help setup

rotund fossil
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Ooh, i'll definitely keep that in mind! Yeah I figure most people will think of this but might as well give it a go for the first attempt. Thanks for the help!

south token
jovial creek
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but if you want to use it

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urshifu and pao are too fast for that kind of team

south token
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who will be their replacements?

sand minnow
jovial creek
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pao could be a raging bolt

south token
pallid lance
broken shuttle
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you need another spore switchin, tera water amoonguss cooks you

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i would also suggest swapping to tera fire tork

pallid lance
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👍

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What’s the Smeargle set?

south token
sleek laurel
# south token https://pokepast.es/94ddb53d3d34f004 thoughts? vgc reg I

Foul Play > Hyper Voice on Farig and Coaching or Aqua Jet > Poison Jab on Urshifu, would personally recommend Coaching so it's not completely useless if you bring Groudon (I am honestly iffy about Rapidshifu in general there, would personally run something like Ogerpon-H instead, but I don't know if it's objectively bad)

Also the Iron Hands EV spread is unoptimized, you can do 148 SpDef instead and put 4 into Defense because, with the way EVs work at Level 50, you would just get +1 Defense with no stat loss on SpDef

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I have never tested the Discharge Miraidon + Groudon strategy myself or seen it tested so I can't tell for sure how good it is, but the teambuilding around it was pretty well executed

untold relic
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untold relic
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Mirai Calys. Just wondering if treads farig is the play here bc I'm not bringing them much

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Hardest mu is hard tr

broken shuttle
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not having priority tailwind really messes up your lines into opposing calyrex shadow teams

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your hard trick room matchup seems fine to me

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tera water hands should do enough alongside terrain control from miraidon

untold relic
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Peli has been nice for sun though I admit I have not tried whims

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Wide guard is just so good

jovial creek
earnest frigate
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Forgot the caly item mb

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Actually I'm not sure what to put for the item

small solar
earnest frigate
small solar
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oh sorry Reg G

jovial creek
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Id recommend taking a team that's proven to do well so you can learn the meta

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Sample teams are here

ripe turret
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hi, can I get some suggestions for my team? been doing pretty well with it on showdown lately but ival doesn't feel like it's doing much https://pokepast.es/3258fead5fb8dc83

this is for reg i sorry for not saying earlier

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wait wrong paste

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ok I fixed it

azure pier
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https://pokepast.es/e28908dd0743959e (Reg I)
Thoughts? The Incin slot is the only thing I'm not too sure about, wasn't sure what to put there. Also wondering whether Koraidon should be on Life Orb and Close Combat over Clear Amulet and Collision Course

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south token
sleek laurel
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Fast coaching allows your partner to take the coaching prior to attacking

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Since this is VGC it's very often that you'll find yourself locked in the field with a mon that doesn't output much damage constantly, esp since you have Groudon

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So Coaching your Groudon and then switching out if needed is usually of more value than clicking Surging Strikes under sun

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Ofc the games aren't all that linear but

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You get the gist

tribal void
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https://pokepast.es/dc8e0dab27e89f77 having problems with fake out (again) but this time its a little harder to counterract as lunala replaces farig. I also have problems against indeedeeF, korai + calys cause they kind of brute force through the team with the help of redirection. Anything that could be done to better my team against these matchups or is this kind of something id have to play around well

random wagon
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tbh it might be a player issue

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i would also recommend trying electric seed lunala, super beefy and beats out korai since you have space to run psychic or moonblast

tribal void
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also thanks for the set recomendation, will check it out

lyric void
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Team not by me:
Calyrex-Ice @ Assault Vest
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Glacial Lance
  • Seed Bomb
  • High Horsepower
  • Crunch

Iron Valiant @ Booster Energy
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Def / 4 SpA / 172 SpD / 52 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Trick Room
  • Coaching
  • Disable
  • Moonblast

Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Rage Powder
  • Fiery Dance
  • Morning Sun

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Aqua Jet
  • Close Combat
  • Detect

Ursaluna-Bloodmoon @ Life Orb
Ability: Mind's Eye
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 68 HP / 4 Def / 244 SpA / 188 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Blood Moon
  • Earth Power
  • Vacuum Wave
  • Hyper Voice

Dragonite @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Fire Punch
  • Scale Shot
  • Extreme Speed
  • Haze
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I wanted a add trick room mode
So I ran trick room (over protect) on iron valiant, lemme know if it’s better off somewhere else

fringe scarab
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https://pokepast.es/0a7a3f7044e7b149 So with the announcement of Reg I i of course want to build a team and try it out to get a feel for it so this is my first team design. My absolute favorite team comp are heavy speed control teams that use trick room AND tailwind (I’ve heard it referred to TailRoom but I’m not sure if that’s a main name or just something I heard) cause I love throwing my opponents off with constant bs. Any feedback or comments would be greatly appreciated.

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languid thorn
kind sail
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sleek laurel
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Don't know what you meant with "throwing my opponent off with constant bs", but the squad looks somewhat standard

I'd probbaly not run Brave Calyrex-I here (since it's TailRoom, the Adamant spread on SmogDex seems very strongly preferred as far as I'm concerned) and consider Landorus-I over Ursaluna-B because it's just a generally stronger Ground-type that has better prowess on Tailwind

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Then again if you wanna keep Ursaluna-B, I'd strongly recommend Timid to outspeed Calyrex-S under Tailwind (and if you opt for Trick Room, you're still slower than every relevant non-Trick Room-based Pokémon in the meta)

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For further advice wait for an experienced rater tho because they're rather more qualified than me for this, but just some imputs from a Calyrex-I player

Team looks pretty good in general tho

sleek laurel
# fringe scarab https://pokepast.es/0a7a3f7044e7b149 So with the announcement of Reg I i of cour...

Also you can consider Indeedee over Farigiraf and Expanding Force on Lunala, but I can't tell for sure if that'd be better given your current team comp (I'd say test both or get a second opinion tbh), as well as potentially Wide Guard (or just the aforementioned Expanding Force) over Tailwind on Lunala itself (a common concept is that you don't want your Restricted Pokémon to be doing team support roles, Wide Guard is often an exception because it's closer to a Protect-like move but it's a gist)

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On a last note, you forgot to set Lunala's nature lol

lavish nexus
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https://pokepast.es/9dc0b55ed7b27daf
Revolves around getting either csr or kyogre set up with support from everyone else, terrain control for mirai is quite important which kyogre and rilla can do, most other meta restricteds are neutral so a good setup should kill, i don't have much for trick room farig tho

lyric void
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Reg G

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Help

inner basin
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https://pokepast.es/d6509b9bd16f210f
Reg I

This is a balance style team. I have iron valiant as a place holder since I didn’t know what to have as my last Pokemon (lol)

Im not sure if its ideal to have all my speed control just be trickroom. Besides that is there something I should change?

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random wagon
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You might also want to run Tera Grass Incineroar for a Spore immunity, it also id good under Rain in general.

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You can also drop Taunt for Rain Dance on Tornadus, really helps in the sun matchup.

sleek laurel
random wagon
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You probably want Urshifu-R somewhere as well, maybe drop Clefairy or Incineroar?

sleek laurel
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Also Astelea, if you see this, your Tornadus EV spread is misconstructed

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136 SpA 128 SpD is wasting a stat point

random wagon
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Wild Charge is proabably better over Heavy Slam since it gets boosted by terrain and hits what Heavy Slam hits (CSR, Tera Ghost Chien-Pao, Flutter Mane, etc)-

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You can also drop some Speed for Bulk on Miraidon, maybe use the World’s winning spread for the time being.

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Farigiraf probably wants Tera Water because, at the moment, you might struggle with Calyrex-I, Kyogre, and especially Tera Fire Koraidon.

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Again, for Farigiraf you can steal the Arubega spread (same with Iron Hands for that matter!), and Psychic Noise might be your preferred Psychic-STAB to deny Pollen Puff and Drain Punch, as well as preventing Dondozo from healing with Leftovers.

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Tbh Calyrex-I should be running Max attack with an Adamant/Brave nature with the rest going into Special Defense (keep the max HP)

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Maybe consider Urshifu with a Focus Sash over Iron Valiant as well, but it can stayif it works for you.

ripe turret
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https://pokepast.es/3258fead5fb8dc83 (Reg I)

I’ve been doing decently with this team lately but it feels like iron valiant isn’t doing anything and I rarely if ever bring it to my battles. It’s theoretically there to ease up my matchups into other restricteds like csr and zama but it just isn’t working. Any suggestions on what to replace it with? Also, any general optimizations that I could make? (Apart from completely changing the team ofc)

By the way, sorry for posting this again, but my old message was kinda getting buried underneath all of the newer ones so I thought that it probably wasn’t gonna get seen any time soon

jovial creek
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I looked at it but I couldn't instantly see something better

jovial creek
rich marlin
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https://pokepast.es/0e94935ff072ad43 (Reg I)

I wanted to make a team for this format around Kyogre, and I think I'm on the right track. Ice Rider seems like his best restricted partner to me, and I love the combo of Tornadus and Kyogre. So far, this team is based around gaining speed control through tailwind with Tornadus or trick room with Rider, then sweeping with the bulky restricted mons. Then Rillaboom is there for healing + fake out, and Ogerpon is there for support and counters to mons like Amoonguss. I like the core of this team, but I feel like I'm lost rn with what to definitely build the stats. I think Kyogre's speed can definitely be lowered. I want to aim for the perfect middle ground where Tailwind will make him faster than most, but his speed is still low enough to work in Trick Room against very fast mons. It would also mean I get to add more bulk (I could also add icy wind onto the team to have even more control). Problem is I don't know where that middle ground is, and it's heavily stumped me. I also think Urshifu might not fit on this team, and I don't know who else could. Generally, I'm having fundamental problems with where to build stats, and I would love recommendations on that, other mons who would fit better here, and just any general tips anyone has. Cheers, and sorry for the long read!

lavish nexus
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https://pokepast.es/47ac67a409d95ef9
Back again, changed out three of the mons and changed some of the sets, flutter is now speed control over torn to avoid predictability also to shut down trick room, chi-yu is there to deal with cir and zama and allows a setup turn for kyogre, rilla for terrain control against mirai and bulky offense, the rest is pretty standard sets

ripe turret
# rich marlin https://pokepast.es/0e94935ff072ad43 (Reg I) I wanted to make a team for this f...

I’m not a rater or anything, but I just wanted to give my two cents. Kyogre’s speed should be lowered to maybe 114 and the rest of the points be split between HP (a multiple of 16 to maximize leftovers and grassy terrain recovery, recommend doing this for your other mons too) and defense, as tailwind at this stat will let it outspeed a lot of meta-relevant mons like csr and scarf shifu/chiyu and more points in speed probably aren’t needed, especially on a calm mind set. Urshifu probably wants to run protect in place of U-turn, as that’s usually only seen on scarf sets and generally, protect is gonna be more useful. Tera water on calyrex-ice might be better as then it resists Zacian and Zamazenta’s steel-type moves after terrastalizing, which are both relatively common and it also gives it a resistance against Koraidon, opposing Kyogre, and opposing cir (although this is strictly your choice, as it might leave you with a bit too much miraidon food). Tornadus probably wants rain dance somewhere on its moveset as it can help to reset the weather should you be facing groudon/koraidon. Finally, Ogerpon might appreciate a little more attack investment, as right now it’s probably hitting like a wet noodle with the amount that you’ve given it.

Generally, CM kyogre is a lot harder to run in dual restricteds due to zamazenta and lunala completely walling you and miraidon cir beating you both before and after tera, but it could be pretty interesting if you could make it work!

Again, I am not a rater. Please take all of my suggestions with a few tablespoons of salt. I could be incredibly wrong.

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holy that was way longer than I thought

rich marlin
wary wharf
burnt surge
# wary wharf https://pokepast.es/7ea12f0e5771ad03 my first team ever

Currently, VGC revolves around these extremely strong Pokemon called Restricted Pokemon. You can include 1 or 2 of them (depending on the format) and it's expected that you build around one of them. While you do have some good Pokemon (Ursaluna-B, Incineroar, and Ogerpon-W), the rest of them are niche to unviable.

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Are you new to VGC as a whole or have you played VGC but are now dipping your toes into teambuilding?

sleek laurel
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Why am I cursed with posting teams few minutes prior to Chatot cooldown like this is the 4th time 😭 (lol)

tribal void
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also this is my preference but i like volt over eweb on bolt

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also what does 236 hp koraidon do? is it just general bulk?

sleek laurel
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Stated in smogdex

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Lol

sleek laurel
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But it's a good call actually

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Esp against something like CIR

tribal void
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it used to be different

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forgot what it even did tbh

sleek laurel
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It used to be yea

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68 speed outspeeds like

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Adamant ogerpon formes

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And after a flame charge everything anyway

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196+ attack oneshots zama with tera fire flare blitz

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Bulk takes a shit ton of stuff including a spread Glacial which is goated

tribal void
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yeah

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i like bulk over speed on the bikes

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lives stupid stuff

sleek laurel
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Yea

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And also like

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This team has a shit ton of speed control

tribal void
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all metagames always slowly devolve into bulk-offs anyways

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better to start early

sleek laurel
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And w/TR on the Lunala even more

sleek laurel
tribal void
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i mean look at reg g mirai

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252 hp on new arubega

sleek laurel
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Reg g mirai has a lot of speed/bulk benchmarks

tribal void
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got like a 31% chance to be ohko'd by tfairy dgleam by other modest mirai

sleek laurel
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I usually run 140 speed for Lando-I

sleek laurel
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The bikes are ridiculously bulky

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People just don't know that

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But they are

tribal void
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oh wait

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thats timid

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modest has a 75% chance to ohko

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only

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still insane

sleek laurel
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Anything that lives any supereffective hit from specs hadron mirai is nuts

tribal void
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244+ SpA Choice Specs Hadron Engine Tera-Fairy Miraidon Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 200-236 (96.6 - 114%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

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like ew

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why does it get a chance to live

sleek laurel
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Go compgen for a minute

wary wharf
burnt surge
drifting onyxBOT
burnt surge
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Once you understand what is strong in the VGC metagame, then you can teambuild by selecting among them and ensuring you can handle them

wary wharf
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o7

azure pier
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https://pokepast.es/4089e283fa2110ee (Reg I)
Thoughts? Team felt very weak to hard TR so I thought Imprison Farig would be a nice inclusion. Rest is just stuff that makes good use of Koraidon's sun or pairs well with the bikes in general

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broken shuttle
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other than that it's worth testing at least

azure pier
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I did think about foul play but no protect on imprison feels very risky. Granted, with how offensive the team is, even denying 2 turns of trick room might be enough to just win, so I guess I see it

broken shuttle
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i think i would also go tera water farig so you can resist glacial

broken shuttle
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you need to be able to hit shadow rider and ice rider more than you need to stop protect

azure pier
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Fair enough

broken shuttle
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& stopping tr is definitely more important than stopping protect

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you can punish protect alrdy w. whims so

azure pier
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Yeah good point. When you put it like that I def like foul play better yeah

snow star
prisma sandal
spiral gale
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hmm

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try replacing indeede with fariggiraf

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so that it doesn't conflict with whimsicott

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also whimsicott should be tera dark or ghost since it benefits from those types more than ut does with tera grass

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and to solve the damage problem

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try replacing protect on zam with iron defense

rich marlin
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https://pokepast.es/afe18a981cf25400 (Reg I)

I've been in the lab cooking this up. I think my strat of building up Kyogre and taking speed control with Tornadus works wonders. Landorus is there for a Miradon counter, Lunala for the Calyrexs, and Rillaboom and Incineroar are there for support. I just want to see if anyone has input on stats I could change, moves I could change, if Im missing a pokemon/strat that completely counters me, etc. Rn I feel like Incine could be replaced with a better fairy counter, but idk thats why Im asking. I would appreciate any and all comments!

tall trail
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I wanted to make this around Chien-Pao but this is the first ever team I've built

graceful veldt
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is tailwind+explosion sash shiftry passable

sonic wind
sonic wind
sonic wind
graceful veldt
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Thanks, just wanted a gauge of where it would stand.

sonic wind
# rich marlin https://pokepast.es/afe18a981cf25400 (Reg I) I've been in the lab cooking this ...

I think your synergy is very weak right now. Calm Mind Kyogre is a powerful set up sweeper, but you barely have support and turn it into a more offensive team. Lunala doesn't particularly help with Kyogre's least favourite match ups like Zamazenta, Miraidon, Koraidon, etc. A lot of the pressure falls on Landorus and Tornadus and at that point you might as well be using a Reg G team
I'd find a combo of restricteds that interest you first as that can maximise synergy

graceful veldt
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Are there any reg g pastes for teams with a mon/mons that run explosion?

sonic wind
# snow star https://pokepast.es/0d7805de85563249 I tried my best

Calyrex really wants Nasty Plot and Protect, you can choose whether you want Tera Normal/Dark Psychic or Tera Fairy Draining Kiss. Though for this type of team I'd recommend the former

Eject Button sucks, Covert Cloak and Mental Herb provide you with much more momentum vs Fake Out and Taunt. Also generally lets you run Rain Dance for a safer Koraidon match up

I think Urshifu + Waterpon can be condensed into Urshifu-Rapid who can also take advantage of the rain Tornadus sets.

Idk what Waterpon would do better than Rillaboom honestly, and Rillaboom provides you with a Miraidon check

sonic wind
graceful veldt
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Darn. Figures… it’s a nightmare with so many ghosts running around

sleek laurel
drifting onyxBOT
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sleek laurel
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Not sure how viable the concept still is but it's worked before so /shrug

Bulky spreads on Landorus in these structures are the actual goats I'm telling y'all

tall trail
sonic wind
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Chien Pao is on 3 of them I think

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Nvm 4

prisma sandal
prisma sandal
jovial igloo
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Hey guys, I’m trying to get back into vgc for the first time in three years and want to try a team with Landorus and Pelipper but I don’t know what the other four should be. I’m not too familiar with the new meta so tips are much appreciated
https://pokepast.es/457049a70c0d2247

sleek laurel
jovial igloo
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Thanks

sleek laurel
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If it's Reg G I actually have a fully built Lando Peli team

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Np

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If it's Reg I then not yet tho

rich marlin
spiral gale
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oh the problem with indeede and whimsicott is that psychic terrain conflicts with prankster

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an ability that whim really waants to take advantage of

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beleive me Ive used indeedee and torn on a dou team before and it did not go too well

prisma sandal
spiral gale
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yea that could pose some problems

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Idk Ive never used lunala before

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@random wagon perhaps you can explain this

lyric void
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Help me with my reg I team

south token
jovial creek
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Urshifu on sun is meh

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Maybe raging bolt

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And ursaluna could probably be changed to avoid double ground types

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But idk what would fit

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Walking wake?

lyric void
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What set do I run on the raging bolt

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Electro web or discharge

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And for the ev spread I’m thinking like

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Raging Bolt
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 252 HP / 212 Def / 44 SpA
Modest Nature

random wagon
lyric void
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Ok

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What about the rest of the set

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Calm mind or nah

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And what item

lyric void
random wagon
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well certainly dont run discharge

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you probably want thunderclap, tbolt, draco, protect

lyric void
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What about calm mind

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Look at the spread

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Instead of protect

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And covert cloak

random wagon
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what does the spread even do

sonic wind
sonic wind
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You shouldn't be clicking Trick Room every time
Just having the option to use it outside of Trick Room is very valuable for your whole team

spiral gale
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looking at the restricted pool

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gen 10 should have a restricted grass legendary

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and no calyrex does not count since its abysmal

lyric void
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Well what gfire set would you recommend

old kindle
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lyric void
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Also is there any way I can run pollen puff over high horsepower on caly ice

old kindle
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isn't pollen puff special

spiral gale
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it is

old kindle
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oh wait i forgot it heals regardless of special stat

earnest frigate
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Should I switch Tornadus for whims for more support fake tears to deal massive caly damage or is this good

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Also idk what weather to use on torn when I do use him rain dance seems best but sun counters it so I feel like sun is better

lyric void
shadow mason
icy halo
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can someone recommend me some vgc teams?

sleek laurel
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@broken shuttle please confirm me if this is/isn’t real

lyric void
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It works bruh

sleek laurel
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I know it’s used on CSR

lyric void
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Yeah but that’s lame

sleek laurel
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But on CIR

drifting onyxBOT
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Calyrex-Ice (Gen 9)
Typing

Psychic / Ice

Abilities

0: As One (Glastrier)

Base Stats (BST: 680)

100 / 165 / 150 / 85 / 130 / 50

Weight

809.1 kg (120 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

sleek laurel
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CIR GDon looks like a pretty gamer core but

burnt surge
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Nice base 85 spa

sleek laurel
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If you think you don’t need

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High Horsepower

burnt surge
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That'll really scare incineroar

sleek laurel
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Or Ground-type coverage thanks to Groudon

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I would recommend Close Combat

lyric void
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Eh life dew tho?

sleek laurel
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If you want a Pollen Puffer you can probably fit Amoonguss somewhere

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I don’t think running teammate healing support on CIR is worth it

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Possibly over Volcarona since you already have Groudon + Gouging

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And it’s nice in Trick Room too for gamer quick Spore

lyric void
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Hmmm

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But urshifu tho

sleek laurel
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Urshifu is still redirected

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By Amoonguss’ Rage Powder

lyric void
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Ok based

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Amoonugs time

sleek laurel
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Yea

lyric void
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What set

burnt surge
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Amoong is better than Volc at dealing with Urshifu

lyric void
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Send a poke paste

sleek laurel
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Hold up

lyric void
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I want rocky helmet, right

burnt surge
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Spore, Puff, Rage Powder + 1

sleek laurel
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Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 244 HP / 188 Def / 76 SpD
IVs: 27 Spe
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

  • Spore
  • Rage Powder
  • Pollen Puff
  • Protect
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And then Close Combat or High Horsepower on CIR

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I would personally even do CC here because you have an entire Groudon but both are viable

lyric void
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Ok what about

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On among us

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Effect spore

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How’s about it

burnt surge
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Theoretically it could do things but Regenerator is more consistent

sleek laurel
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Regen is more consistent

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I don’t hate Effect Spore on Bo1

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Wouldn’t use it on Bo3 OTS

south token
broken shuttle
broken shuttle
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other than that it looks fine

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you can test tera bug iron hands asw but if fighting works it works

south token
broken shuttle
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well you could also do water or poison

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but bug is used for a ground resistance and a fighting resistance

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you use it for stuff like Landorus-Incarnate

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water might just be better here actually

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i think you need the anti chi-yu

lyric void
burnt surge
south token
broken shuttle
lyric void
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But it gets knocked off

lyric void
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Fine I playtested and I like regenerator

wary wharf
steep mesa
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https://pokepast.es/ee58073591777039 this is my reg g team, i really enjoyed it and i wna bring a variation of it into reg i because i really enjoyed this team. i wna keep playing trickroom because thats what im comfortable with but i was also thinking of going with a tailroom team. the other restricted mons i was thinking were caly-ice, groudon, kyogre. i tried out a groudon lunala team with armarouge as my wide guard setter but idk. nth seems to work for me so i wanted to know if y'all have any ideas. idc if its a great or even good team, js want to have fun.

broken shuttle
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they do take advantage of sun theoretically but you definitely want priority tailwind with koraidon and scream tail is much too passive here

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i would suggest whimsicott and ogerpon-cornerstone as the replacements, but feel free to test it and see what feels right

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would definitely suggest whims though

wary wharf
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Oh yeah priority tailwind

lyric void
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How do I deal with caly shadow tailwind?

ripe turret
lyric void
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Over protect?

ripe turret
broken shuttle
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it gives you a trick room setter that walls calyrex and lets you get the speed advantage

lyric void
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Sorry wait that’s an old paste

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Current team (reg I)

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Thinking about Tera ghost valiant

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Or something

broken shuttle
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i don't think gouge really fits on that six

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or if it does you probably don't need val asw

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you could probably test ogerpon-cornerstone over hearthflame here asw just depends on what works

lyric void
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Why flutter mane

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I’m down to change gouging to ogerpon maybe

ripe turret
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and it also threatens csr

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works well with sun too

broken shuttle
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yeah you're misssing a fast offensive threat on that team

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you do kinda need some immediate offense unless you're playing hard TR which is a different kind of offense

lyric void
gloomy birch
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yeah

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same advice

jovial creek
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I don't really like that bolt set, magnet/life orb with no calm mind is probably better

ripe turret
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broken shuttle
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idt u rly want grimm and torn on the same team u only rly need one of them

ripe turret
broken shuttle
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i would try goggles taunt incineroar over grimm

ripe turret
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ok I'll try it out

lyric void
lost phoenix
lavish nexus
lost phoenix
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psychic noise helps a lot into pagos and lets you win a lot of endgames from what ive seen

sand minnow
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My first VGC reg i team

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I already made a full team around korai typhlo last year during December

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So I decided to integrate it

lavish nexus
lavish nexus
sand minnow
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Electric terrain?

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OH

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I used to have miraidon on the team

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Wait a min

sand minnow
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Hope this one's the right one

past basin
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lavish nexus
past basin
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Wat should I do?

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Should I remove the teick room or wat

lavish nexus
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You could use imprison since farig can learn it to shut down opposing trick room, also add a tailwind setter

past basin
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?

lavish nexus
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If this your first time teambuilding I'd recommend using premade teams first to learn what kind of team compositions work well

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Once you get a feel for what a team needs it becomes allot easier

sand minnow
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Is this is right one?

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I'll post a screenshot if it has to come to it

lavish nexus
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It's the same team

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Just different name of who made it

lavish nexus
sand minnow
past basin
lunar wedge
broken shuttle
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you also get cooked by amoonguss when you do get trick room up

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arch is also pretty unviable

lunar wedge
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Sad

broken shuttle
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pao will feel a lot better with ursh on the team

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*focus sash urshifu

broken shuttle
broken shuttle
broken shuttle
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choice scarfed chi-yu

jovial creek
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I don't really see what you are gonna be disabling

lost phoenix
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and you can protect on a spore from like terad amoonguss

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then disable it

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it helps out quite a lot

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and wide guard! since it goes first

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u can predict disable it

lost phoenix
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ill keep it in mind tho

broken shuttle
steep mesa
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https://pokepast.es/91beea2073ae55a0 this is my reg i team, got to 1250 with it so far, im js stuggling on the last mon. idk if articuno is really doing much but idk what to replace it with. i only use it for my tailwind mode but idk if i need a tailwind mode.

broken shuttle
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i don't think you need the psyspam mode at all

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i would just go lunala/zamazenta/incineroar/rillaboom/urshifu/tornadus and adjust from there

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having no real way to hit dark types with CM lunala is pretty bad you kinda need moonblast

gloomy birch
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ngl what is armorouge for

broken shuttle
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yeah that too

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arma isn't even good

gloomy birch
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could do smth like urshifu

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and the EVs

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eww

broken shuttle
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and you have both a zama and a lunala which do exactly what it does but better

gloomy birch
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calm mind is gimmicky

broken shuttle
broken shuttle
gloomy birch
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nah

broken shuttle
gloomy birch
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i guess

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also

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you have 2 wide guard users

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...

broken shuttle
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yeah arma is entirely redundant

gloomy birch
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i fire type could be chi yu

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a

broken shuttle
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indeedee/zama/lunala can probably work but you can't rly run calm mind and eforce

gloomy birch
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yeah

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i thought smth was off

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oh

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you kinda just lose to scarf urshifu..

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it hits your team for good dmg

broken shuttle
gloomy birch
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cool

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than why expanding if no indeedee

broken shuttle
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OOPS

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ty

gloomy birch
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ur welcome

spiral gale
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Ability Idea:

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Feather Storm: Immediately sets up tailwind on switch in

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give it to a mon that can't do much damage back to keep things balanced

jovial creek
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this isn't the channel for that

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idk where is

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but it would probably be #pkmn-general

spiral gale
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I mainly said that here cause I thought it would be an interesting ability for vgc

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earnest frigate
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broken shuttle
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i think you should go cornerstone or urshifu-rapid over farig

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farig seems too passive here

earnest frigate
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Thanks! 👍

old kindle
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ripe turret
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if you really want to you could go goggles Tera ghost incin to help with amoonguss

old kindle
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i think i might just suck at stalling out tr then

ripe turret
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yeah TR is really difficult to play against, I had trouble against it a lot when I started. it also has to do with the leads a lot

old kindle
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yeah

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i think i also suck at playing around indeedee too

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since no fake out

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or taunt

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since if it's indeedee and another trick room setter, if i taunt the indeedee after switching in rilla, the other one uses tr

ripe turret
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it’s pretty much just about using your pivot tools and protect and switching into resistances, then getting into position on the last turn of TR with zac/ogre/lando

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you could also try running a non-priority taunt on incin maybe

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but idk if that’s really necessary

lavish nexus
old kindle
lavish nexus
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You should also run fake out on incin for indeedee

old kindle
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bro

lavish nexus
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Bring in rilla and fake out

old kindle
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ast please you should not be giving advice 😭

lavish nexus
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You would need to be bringing both rilla and incin for it but it would work

steep mesa
gloomy birch
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are you working on tailroom?

south token
steep mesa
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i like it a lot js wanted to know if theres any suggestions

gloomy birch
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oh

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the evs on ursaluna

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the speed evs should be 164

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it just needs to be

broken shuttle
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i would maybe also try urshifu-rapid over lando

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it's pretty good into CIR while still being able to pressure zamazenta with rain

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i think scarf is probably the move

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and you have rilla so the miraidon matchup is still playable

broken shuttle
broken shuttle
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i would try ogerpon hearthflame

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issue with smeargle is that it has direct anti-synergy with miraidon bc its electric terrain blocks smeargle's spore

broken shuttle
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use this one

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Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 60 HP / 140 Atk / 20 Def / 196 SpD / 92 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Surging Strikes
  • Close Combat
  • Aqua Jet
  • Detect
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you don't want lowered speed ivs on your urshifu, you can't even outspeed calyrex-shadow in tailwind with that

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which is rly bad

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idt tera fighting zama is that good either i would just go tera dragon

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other than that it's fine

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i would maybe suggest goggles indeedee bc you have no spore immunities outside of ursaluna

south token
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tysm

broken shuttle
south token
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Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 204 HP / 76 Atk / 36 Def / 4 SpD / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Ivy Cudgel
  • Follow Me
  • Spiky Shield
broken shuttle
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it's preference rly but wood hammer notably OHKOs urshifu-r

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which tbf

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why would anyone bring that into u

south token
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tysm bro

steep mesa
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wispy night
broken shuttle
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u need the water typing + ability to hit incin harder

calm abyss
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calm abyss
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I have no goal with the evs, I just copy pasted them from ones I had before

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Still ass at actually eving so wonder if any help w that

sleek laurel
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Also Zamazenta has 3 Atk and 5 SpDef which I assume was a misimput

sonic wind
# calm abyss https://pokepast.es/8748b16769a17c29

Dark Pulse Caly S sucks, it's just worse Shadow Ball and if you're gonna run such a balance-ish team I'd just recommend Life Orb/Spell Tag Nasty Plot.

Behemoth Bash > Heavy Slam imo because it hits Tera Fairy Caly-I and Raging Bolt a lot harder. Heavy Slam doesn't actually have any crucial damage ranges to my knowledge

Otherwise this looks pretty standard, I think you want Electroweb Bolt here since speed control is amazing but that's up to you since it'd probably mean becoming Assault Vest

calm abyss
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But yea I'll def invest in the hp and remove dark pulse

jovial creek
sonic wind
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But yeah Np anyway

sleek laurel
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https://pokepast.es/0902b72e88cc78db

Played a few games on the Bo3 ladder with this team or slight variations, currently 5-2 iirc

Slightly unorthodox in theory (though there’s not really much objectively unorthodox yet) but it’s basically an adaptation of my Reg G CIR team into a CIR Lunala team

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jovial creek
sleek laurel
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Peak

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I always get a little worried when I deviate from standard stuff even though I usually know what I’m doing

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LOL

gloomy birch
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what is up with 27 speed iv amoongus?

broken shuttle
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48 shroom vs 49 caly/ursa-h/hands

umbral roost
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broken shuttle
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and drop fire punch for eq

sleek laurel
umbral roost
sleek laurel
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same with Caly being Brave, but this looks pretty nice yea

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what gephicka said anyway

umbral roost
sleek laurel
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facade or headlong rush outdamages a supereffective drain punch vs darks anyway

broken shuttle
sleek laurel
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unless it's x4 effective

umbral roost
broken shuttle
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okay so a few notes

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  1. the necrozema is ev'd to have 98 speed, meaning that you will outspeed basically every incineroar that isn't jolly or max speed
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you'll want to make sure that you're taking the time to outspeed and meteor beam incin before you get into tr

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  1. ogerpon is meant to give you a surprise fast mode into slower, balancy comps– a lead you can get away with in some MUs is Ogerpon + Torkoal
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since torkoal is bulky with assault vest it's able to take some more hits out of tr

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into amoonguss-heavy matchups you can also bring ogerpon as a late game cleaner/early game spore redirector

umbral roost
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Alr. Thank you so much for the help btw!

broken shuttle
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mhm!

umbral roost
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I wasn’t sure who to use for the last 2 members, so there went Amoonguss and Araquanid. I’ll try this team and see the results.

broken shuttle
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the last move on ursa is a flex slot asw, you can swap it to substitute or eq depending on what works best for u

umbral roost
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👍

sleek laurel
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isn't it objectively better in level 50 metas to run 36 HP / 4 Def / 4 SpD?

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broken shuttle
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🤷‍♂️

sleek laurel
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it's probably never going to matter tbh

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but lmao

tribal void
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matters for like 0.1% of times

gloomy birch
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well the meta is to live rockpon ivy cudgel

icy halo
broken shuttle
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i can’t refer you to sample teams atm but check out this video from regional champion justin tang for some successful tournament teams: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mpPN-Xo1NpY&pp=ygULanVzdGluIHRhbmc%3D

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Justin Tang
The BEST Teams in Regulation I

Victory Road just hosted a 200+ person tour and Calyrex Shadow plus Zamazenta won the whole thing. I will be going over all the meta trends from the tournament and will also go over every team that top cut. You can see my recreation of these teams linked below.
Teams:
1st place CSR ZAMA: https://pokepast.es/f0b2b493554e1681
Finalist Dozo: http...

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gloomy birch
gloomy birch
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jovial creek
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Cir doesn't really work on that kind of hyper offense because it wants to set tr

gloomy birch
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i think CIR works better with the flexibility it gives me

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just my opinion

gloomy birch
broken shuttle
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you’d still rather have csr

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u don’t want to be stuck having to tw for your cir to outspeed stuff

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u want to be able to bring 2 restricteds + dozogiri consistently

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and it’s not easy to lead mirai + cir

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it’s a pretty exploitable lead in a way that csr mirai isn’t

gloomy birch
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wdym

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it is pretty flexible

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protect+attack from mirai

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TR volt switch

broken shuttle
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into dozogiri??

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why would u run dozogiri under tr

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also why is dozo carefulworrywhirl

gloomy birch
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oh

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i had some calcs to live draco meteor and meteor beam

broken shuttle
gloomy birch
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i guess

broken shuttle
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but even with a lot of speed investment you still don’t rly want to be out of tw or tw eith cir

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which is fine it’s just not very conducive to dozogiri

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bc u want mons that can function independent of support

gloomy birch
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if i wanted dozo i would idk eq volt switch

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but you are right

broken shuttle
spiral gale
broken shuttle
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none of those mons or sets are viable

broken shuttle
lofty urchin
lusty cloud
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lofty urchin
lusty cloud
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i just beat a rillaboom and a miraidon

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but yeah ur right

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it is tera fighting for dark types tho

lofty urchin
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only thing is choice scarf urshifu-dark

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is not fun lol

lusty cloud
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fair point

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and ill grab a 5th pokemon to counter it

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thx

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im pretty new to vgc and im pretty proud of my team thx for the feedback :D

lofty urchin
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ahhh thats ok!

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for indeedee

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try ability shield

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so she cant loose her terrain

lusty cloud
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trueee

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good idea thx

distant trellis
burnt surge
lofty urchin
lusty cloud
lofty urchin
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it was the wheezig

distant trellis
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a new terrain will override psychic terrain ability shield or not

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ability shield protects the ability from being suppressed or ignored

lofty urchin
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lol mb trauma from wheezing

distant trellis
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its aight

burnt surge
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If you just want Indeedee + Caly S, that's pretty standard

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This Stantler + Articuno Galar stuff is just bad

lusty cloud
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but mines silly :P

lofty urchin
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ye but in double res u get overpowerd

lusty cloud
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okey dokey

lofty urchin
lusty cloud
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would tera stellar walking wake weather ball work

lusty cloud
lofty urchin
lusty cloud
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so tera stellar is viable

burnt surge
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Not sure about Tera Stellar

lofty urchin
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that wont kill urshifu darks

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or chi-yus

lusty cloud
burnt surge
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But Walking Wake can maybe be tried with Korai

lofty urchin
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wait

burnt surge
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Or Groudon

lofty urchin
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yes chi-yu

lofty urchin
lusty cloud
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tera fire walking wake + korai

lofty urchin
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+chen-pao u drop defense

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not a bad start

lusty cloud
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alrighty

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this is really helpful :D thx

lofty urchin
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id drop walking wake

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groudon + chen pao is nice

burnt surge
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Not 100% sure about Tera Fire but Walking Wake is so unexplored that you can just about try whatever you like

lofty urchin
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water attacjks are halfed in sun

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u probs want flutter

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for those dark types

burnt surge
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Walking Wake has Steam Eruption

lusty cloud
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flutter, chen pao, walking wake, korai

lofty urchin
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yeah thats not a bad idea

lusty cloud
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+Bellibolt (jk)

burnt surge
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Second restricted +1

lofty urchin
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having water offense is ok

lusty cloud
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what would my biggest weakness be

burnt surge
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Caly I methinks

lusty cloud
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tera grass flutter?

lofty urchin
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id run fairy

burnt surge
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Miraidon also looks problematic a bit

lofty urchin
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extra stab with crazy res

lusty cloud
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okey dokey

lofty urchin
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immune

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and super effective

burnt surge
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I thought they had Koraidon

lofty urchin
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oh we doing korai?

lusty cloud
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korai

lofty urchin
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ah alr

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yeah fair

lusty cloud
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corviknight for bulk + tailwind?

burnt surge
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Actually Miraidon mu is kinda just win faster