VGC Rates

[sleek laurel]

Read the rating process

Lol

But yea

[west glacier]

LOrb Lando mostly runs 252 252

[sleek laurel]

With the Ogerpon version

I usually bring Oger Shifu Caly

And target down the Kyogre

[sleek laurel]

Oh peak

[jovial creek]

252/252 Timid, tera ghost or poison

[west glacier]

@sleek laurelu could run a bulky set like tangs did on their team

[sleek laurel]

Ty

[sleek laurel]

On who?

[west glacier]

lando

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/3532bac514b75c82

[random wagon]

is this not just jackson’s team but with whims and okidogi?

Okidogi also just doesnt bring much, and cb ursh-r already beats csr (when using tw)

and okidogi isnt doing better into incin either imo

aside from helm sets

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/fa8743486ddb8b8c

any ideas for the sixth pokemon?

[random wagon]

a strong core for ho-oh is it with bolt and amoon, having rilla and ursh-r

So that should be your first 5

[sonic wind]

Id strongly recommend dropping Rhydon

[sonic wind]

Id use this alongside Chien Pao
or try and utilize a Ting-Lu Dondozo core

[ornate cloak]

Drop Rhydon for Raging Bolt

Preferably booster SpA

[spiral ruin]

https://pokepast.es/959ce7b2d0a7bc7b

Here’s my team I’ve been testing with only difference is Raging Bolt was in for Lando but idk the other 5 feel really good

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/5fc3224887d68403 opinions? i never really end up using amoongus that much so maybe a replacemnte?

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[random wagon]

hearthflame doesnt make sense imo

youd be much better off with rilla or tsareena

And you can prob run max speed max spatk lando

with tera poison

rain dance would also be helpful on torn, prob over taunt

and a bulkier spread would be nice (physically bulkier)

i personally enjoy scarf ursh-r on rain but mystic is fine, and drop icy wind on pao for protect

icy wind pao is cool but you dont really need it

[jovial creek]

First off idt kyurem is that good but if you want to use it then that isn't the team

[spiral ruin]

I don’t get in scenarios where I would need to reset up the rain without kyogre, and taunt has won me games, flame gives me good matchups into rillaboom which was causing me issues earlier, I agree with the Tera poison tho

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/fcf6bf60e078d6b3 idk if this can work Im not good at team building

[random wagon]

i dont think dropping taunt on torn is good but dropping protect would benefit you

rain dance is helpful in the koraidon and groudon matchup since they try and force you out first. With rain dance this is less of an issue

torn and tera poison lando can deal with rilla, or you can run tsareena over hearthflame to deny grassy glide

[jovial creek]

The bottom 4 could maybe work

Not the top 2

[west glacier]

grimm for sabley

[sonic wind]

Electabuzz and Sableye are pretty bad Pokemon that dont offer enough to Kyogre, Roaring Moon as the Tailwind setter is also a bit awkward on AV Kyogre, but can work if it wasnt paired with two other Dark-types that fold to the same threats. Id recommend using a pre built team to learn the metagame better before building your own Kyogre team.

[sonic wind]

This team is just very messy, the closest sets to being viable are Kyurem and Flutter Mane with wrong move/ev/item choices. I'd recommend using pre existing teams to learn the meta better and understand the most optimal picks.

Blizzardless Kyurem sucks
Double Weather Tornadus is mid, especially Focus Sash with bulk and no Protect
Clear Amulet Drain Punch is never worth it on Urshifu when Surging Strikes exists
Hex Synthesis are both bad on Amoonguss, it benefits more as a redirection and Pollen Puff bot. Effect Spore is also detrimental
Flutter's standard set is booster speed icy wind, unless its on sun where it can run Focus Sash
Basc is bad, no strong water move is bad, and Rocky Helmet doesn't provide it with any notable benefits

[sonic wind]

Id drop Protect instead, Groudon has been rising and its sun makes games a lot tricker.

I also second the Ogerpon replacement, but for Farigiraf or maybe Tsareena. Imo Specs Kyogre's biggest issue is being ruined by Fake Out and its mediocre speed tier, so having Tailroom and priority blocking makes it really effective. This also denies Grassy Glide from Rillaboom which should keep the match up Ogerpon offered,

[spiral ruin]

Will do thank you 🙏

[sonic wind]

good luck!

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/f8dfd595637ce545 I like this idea of a “three restricted” team but I feel like it can be done much better than this, any thoughts?

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[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/a69eb41171a93c7a should I change Whimsicott for Tornadus?

[mystic swift]

yall tried mirror herb koraidon with spicy ingest

[gloomy birch]

np

[gloomy birch]

you should run tera dark, keep whimssocott, add tera steller on urshifu, add tera water for amoonguss

[halcyon escarp]

oh i forgot to change the teras

[gloomy birch]

yeah

[halcyon escarp]

but is the team like decent or nah

[gloomy birch]

kinda mid

terapagos doesn't need speed EVs

you don't need taunt on urshifu and incin

remove it from urshifu

srry @halcyon escarp doraemonyan

[halcyon escarp]

https://pokepast.es/4bca6cc8dd64822a how about now

[gloomy birch]

use leftis on terapagos

and E power for sub

[halcyon escarp]

?

[gloomy birch]

replace earth power for subsitiute

[sonic wind]

Lefties > Cloak on Terapagos and Focus Sash > Lefties on Urshifu.

I'd suggest Raging Bolt or Rillaboom > Whimsicott since youre a bulky set up team. They still fix the Urshifu match up and provide set up opportunities but are way more long term, so you can keep pressure throughout the whole game.

Make Incineroar Impish, Jolly is straight up wasting EVs here. Id also do one of two things: Sub Terapagos, or Taunt Urshifu. Taunt Incin is just not enough when Terapagos really wants to stick on the field, and having Substitute for Amoonguss or double Taunt can really help with that.

Actually, Id highly recommend Wisp Incin Taunt Shifu Sub Terap so you have a Zamazenta match up

[halcyon escarp]

do i put more speed evs in terapagos since I no longer have tailwind?

[frosty rock]

What we thinking
This is my first team
I use Rex Shadow cus I want to be able to chose when I set up trick room and use the threat of it to bait attacks and get more setup on other mons
The main glaring weakness I can see is dark types and that I don't bring sinistcha often enough

[sonic wind]

its optional

[sonic wind]

send pokepaste

[west glacier]

Incredibly weak to dark

[jovial creek]

I'd just focus on bulk

[wraith arch]

yo just wanna ask why farigiraf runs psychic noise over other moves

[sonic wind]

its the best stab move since it denies Drain Punch from Iron Hands, and important lefties/terrain recovery that helps some Pokemon set up in the face of Farigiraf

also denies Pollen Puff from Amoonguss

[distant trellis]

its very good into stuff like lefties kyogre or terapagos

especially since a common partner for both is rilla

[summer wigeon]

https://pokepast.es/46aff07cd9aeb95c

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[distant trellis]

I wouldn't reccomend having your restricted auto lose into every ground especially as your team does not have a single move that can hit ground types super effectively

like groudon just 6-0s if it has redirection support

or ig 4-0s you get what I mean

miraidon doesn't rly have the time to set up, let alone when that setup is charge when it can just die to glacial lance or precipice blades

[icy meteor]

Tell me why this team works 😭
Ive done like 7 games and yet I always win
I don’t lead with same pokemon either, I’m actually playing with it probably and this keeps on happening 😭

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2297539373

https://pokepast.es/c55e2766df62c856

[distant trellis]

you're using mewtwo

there's your problem

its just strictly worse than caly s

like if ur gonna use mewtwo its probably gonna be on psyspam and even then its worse than several other restricted mons for that role

[icy meteor]

Yeah it’s not supposed to be an actual team, I just like mew but u can’t use it so I use mewtwo

[distant trellis]

I mean yeah but if ur posting the team here you're asking for it to be rated with it being as optimised as possible in mind

costar strats in general are quite gimmicky with an OTS format

[icy meteor]

Okay, other than mewtwo then lol

[icy meteor]

Yeah u have a point

[past harbor]

https://pokepast.es/3d107b3380637fcd

as the name implies, I wanna see if I can build around it.

[distant trellis]

well you have a decent supporting core in the form of whims amoong and incin, but nothing half decent to support unfort

like when I say mewtwo is bad its bad bad

imo the worst restricted you could use

aside from regular kyurem

[past harbor]

Cosmog

[distant trellis]

and cosmog

ye

cosmoem calyrex base form ye whatever

aside from those fake/unevolved pokes

[past harbor]

Anyways ima wait for mine

[distant trellis]

mewtwo is just buns

[icy meteor]

And cosmoem

[past harbor]

True calyrex shadow is gas

To all the based shadow rider users

[distant trellis]

flamigo also isn't very good when its OTS and it unfort has the mild case which tbh this entire team has of getting completely mogged by caly I

you do just need an overhaul, diff restricted and a diff strategy

[sonic wind]

• Set Up Miraidon doesnt work because you want to pivot throughout the game vs Rillaboom and can feel the loss of Specs
• Amoonguss is extremely awkward on Miraidon
• You don't have anything to handle Landorus or Groudon
• Because Miraidon cant set up well, the amount of support youre giving it is definitely not the support it wants.

[summer wigeon]

Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

• Dazzling Gleam
• Discharge
• Draco Meteor
• Volt Switch

The new miraidon set

is there a good substitute for amoongus?

[distant trellis]

as a sleeper no

since e terrain blocks sleep

but for redirection support, hearthflame is very good

[summer wigeon]

tyty

Ogerpon-Hearthflame (F) @ Hearthflame Mask
Ability: Mold Breaker
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield
• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech

[sonic wind]

wood hammer > horn leech, doesnt survive long without lots of bulk investment so youd rather just OHKO Urshifu and Groudon quickly

[jovial creek]

or you run the super bulk set

[sonic wind]

Personally not a big fan of it on Mirai

[past harbor]

Bump

[jovial creek]

I think koraidon wants flame charge

It already does so much damage

SD is kinda overkill

[past harbor]

Mmmmmmm the feeling of oneshotting ice rider with helping hand collision course

[sonic wind]

I second dropping SD for Flame Charge, also gives you reason to drop Incin for smth like Ogerpon-C, very nice for Korai.

[past harbor]

🤔

[jovial creek]

stealing my idea...

[past harbor]

I was thinking of using helping hand boosted collision course to one shot calyrex ice rider but idk

[jovial creek]

thats way too much setup

[past harbor]

Fair

Guess we will have to stick to flame

[sonic wind]

usually you cant get it in game with redirection, pelliper, fake out, etc

[past harbor]

Dang there is also pelipper

Maybe sunny day torn?

[random wagon]

SD koraidon just isnt really worth it, without flame charge you're even more vulnerable to speed booster flutter. Not to mention flame charge lets you run bulk

[jovial creek]

sd also lets you run bulk tbf

[random wagon]

true

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/f0b2b26576a814dc

Koraidon + Chi-Yu
Not sure if Flame Charge or Scale Shot is preferred nowadays/on this kind of team

Considering dropping Incin for Bolt too, especially with Chi-Yu

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[sleek laurel]

Side note: it’s late

So this might not be the prime of my cooks

[ornate cloak]

I fought a very similar team today

And lemme tell you rn, ld Koraidon is uh, probably not as good as clamulet Koraidon

Also yeah, probably should drop Incineroar for raging bolt and maybe go with specs Flutter Mane (goes crazy with speed protosynthesis in sun)

Chi-Yu looks okay, although I personally prefer scarf because sun boosted heatwaves are absurd (if you connect)

[sonic wind]

Lowkey any advice I give you will end up as
https://pokepast.es/2370351737e3cc67 or https://pokepast.es/15f96e8ca3f4dc18

Koraidon feels extremely optimised

[sleek laurel]

Lmfao

[cursive mason]

Fr I don’t know where korai goes from here

Like it’s just korai bolt flutter cornerstone fire horse answer

[distant trellis]

maybe something will surprise us

[jovial creek]

it goes to esm's team smh

[halcyon escarp]

What EVs do I boost in these

[jovial creek]

Why do you have waterpon

That just looks like the world's winning team

[halcyon escarp]

it has follow me

and i like it better than fire because it tanks urshifu water

[jovial creek]

So does hearthflame and it also threatens rillaboom

You shouldn't struggle into urshifu

Miraidon just clicks anything

[halcyon escarp]

oh thats true

[halcyon escarp]

so thats good right?

[sand minnow]

Bumping this

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/65a11195e22dc3e0 vgc reg g

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[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/774751c5dc2c4500

[sonic wind]

Restricted where?

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/84fa8f4ae69e7ed8

[mystic swift]

How do yall feel abt mega launcher clawitzer

[wraith arch]

https://pokepast.es/768b022348700781
any suggestions?

[jovial creek]

use showdown's export to pokepaste

thats pretty hard to read

and also it doesn't look very good, I'd recommend using something like tang's cir if you want to use it

[jovial creek]

that whole team kinda feels meh

sash shifu is better

calyrex can be life orb

incin should probably be goggles tera ghost wisp

raichu and indeedee are both kinda mid on those comps

[sonic wind]

recommend taking a sample team or inputting evs on successful regional teams

little synergy here with wrong sets

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/5436cef3ed88dcad

CalyIce

I went with icy wind over encore on IVal because it pairs really well with lorb Lando-I, and I just don't like the idea of tailwind on CalyIce teams (Ik tailroom is a thing now, it's just not my playstyle)

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[snow summit]

https://pokepast.es/4b25f660bd4d855f
Thoughts? double blizzard has been so nice.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/89ca64652f7e5e76 i was in a rush yesterday, i fixed the ivs on some of the pokemon and changed some tera types @jovial creek

[random wagon]

icy wind kind of just isnt worth it, especially since you are going for a slower paced team. Protect is a much better option in most cases, especially since icy wind generally isnt benefiting slow calyrex-i

[random wagon]

if you want to run 4 atttack kyurem-w i suggest assault vest

articuno also isnt that great, i feel like incineroar is a good fit

also you forgot teras (i think), kyu can use tera poison/fairy, urshifu can use stellar/ghost, A9 can use water, torn can use dark/steel

[random wagon]

from my experience, coaching over rock slide on annihilape works really well

pelipper also probably wants hurricane over air slash

just stronger and 100% acc in rain

[dense nebula]

forgot to set calyrex ice speed ivs to 0

do i change scarf to safety goggles if im using coaching then

[random wagon]

scarf

[jovial creek]

You could go AV kyurem and be really bulky

Articuno should probably be a lando I

To threaten steel types

[jovial creek]

Why

It doesn't need more physdef

[random wagon]

incin was just mentioned as a filler but can be smth else

[snow summit]

But earth power and fusion flare on wkyu

And cc urshifu

[sonic wind]

because you lose so hard to zacian

Id prolly do scarf chi yu instead tho

[loud hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/ded9771b5d881c43

TR

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[jovial creek]

This looks not very good, if you want to use calyrex-I then I'd recommend taking a sample team since you seem new.

[loud hamlet]

can I ask why

[jovial creek]

I'm about to sleep but I'll post something in the morning

[sonic wind]

Not if I beat you to it

Room Service is one of the worst items in the game since Iron Ball is just better and the speed drop is near useless, CalyI already outspeeds the majority of Pokemon under TR and would MUCH rather have Clear Amulet to deny Incineroar Intimidate cycling it.

Cresselia is just a bit bad, too passive without any standout match up for Caly-I, would prefer broken Urshifu-Rapid-Strike to deny protect by keep up pressure, threaten Incineroar/Chi-Yu, and offer Coaching Support. Also appreciates how Caly-I owns all the stuff that Urshifu thuds into.

Incineroar shold be Will O Wisp > Flare Blitz here for optimal Zamazenta-C Match up. Taunt is also an option if you prefer to save the Amoonguss match up.

Giga Drain is bad, doesnt hit anything relevant and is much better replaced by Pollen Puff or Sludge Bomb, Lefties healing isnt as important as breaking Focus Sashes and getting crucial chip with Rocky Helmet.

Ursaluna is okay on specific hard tr comps but Id highly recommend just using Landorus and then Raging Bolt over Iron Hands, makes you so much more flexible into match ups where TR is difficult to afford (See opposing Amoonguss or Electric Seed Farigiraf for example)

[ornate cloak]

I get what you're tryna say, my main idea behind icy wind was to support Landorus just in situations where I don't lead with trickroom

Miraidon for e.g

Iron Valiant + Lando-I is such a strong lead into Miraidon imo

[loud hamlet]

thank you!

[random wagon]

you already have a tr option, rillaboom, and spirit break into miraidon

and tera grass clefairy

[ornate cloak]

Alr I'll replace it with protect, wba the rest of the team

[jovial creek]

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/83bbbd4c617d71ee how's this team

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[snow summit]

sorry for replying to this like 3 days later. but just wanted to ask a bit about this point

why isnt articuno good?

freeze chance, dodge chance, and just great bulk in general

blizzard spam hits really hard too

kind of the entire reason i made this team

because it's just so good in snow

[jovial creek]

It gets stat crept

Just doesn't hit as hard or be as bulky when restricted mons are there

[sonic wind]

youll notice a lot of it is chance, luck reliant
and kinda hard to do what it wants when the damage output of the meta is ridiculously high

[snow summit]

i guess thats right

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/656cefcb39902a6f
really trying to make a type of Sun balance work. Tried koriadon on a few builds but found groudon is more consistent.
Basically typhlo bolt and don gives me so many explosive opportunities I can set up, especially off the lead. Oger having sturdy can be a get out of jail free card for major threats. Gastro helps in the shifu, mirrai, amoong, and incin matchups, built offensively to not be too passive. Giraffe helps facing speed tiers like booster flutter, tailwind, and cally shadow, once again built offensive. Havnt ran calcs for specific ev interactions but just want some thoughts on the concept and synergy

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[jovial creek]

I'm not sure if there are any sun balance teams

It's kinda just an offensive team style

[sterile cedar]

Not balance in a general sense but I’m not going all in on protos and stuff

Crunch and shadow ball are for calyrex shadow

[jovial creek]

I have a paste that might work

I'll send soon

[past harbor]

Heat crash already hits it hard enough

No need to dedicate a whole moveslot just for it

It ain’t even the most used restricted now

And for farigiraf, try foul play

It also hits calyrex ice hard

[west glacier]

Ngl this channel keeps showing me that if you try to cook yourself as an average player you should stick to the proven good stuff.

[sonic wind]

vgc is a bit optimised
where usually our best advice is to suggest the stuff constantly doing well

unless you rlly believe a niche mon or unique core can work and provide convincing points

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/37b60354da611250 this is the only really successful groudon team

[sonic wind]

erm

actually

https://pokepast.es/ed29618f13554e39

that first one can also use Iron Valiant

[jovial creek]

I don't count anything with jumpluff

[tribal void]

jumpluff is heat tho

[jovial creek]

75% of the time

[halcyon escarp]

Is there any good team with base ogerpon

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/bdb022e07f102a04

[halcyon escarp]

why bullet seed with loaded dice

[jovial creek]

Sash shifu/peli i think

[halcyon escarp]

isnt there any other useful item for her?

[random wagon]

sash i guess

but sash shifu is very popular and bullet seed just does a lot of damage

[halcyon escarp]

could it work if i changed calyrex for another trick room setter like fargiraf and peliper for kyogre

cause i think pelipper isnt that good

[jovial creek]

It might but probably not as well

[sonic wind]

wide guard broken

[west glacier]

Sope lense

Ivy cudgel if u like gambling

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/1bc40bd7639a5a53

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[sonic wind]

waterpon volc is just kind of awkward

since Urshifu Firepon is a lot stronger of a core

denying protect is even more massive than usual in Regulation G

[west glacier]

meh. Volc gives me a way better MU into Zama, CalyI and Zacian and Waterpon helps with Oger. Zama isnt a problem to begin with but I have a clear line into about everything with this. Went 16-2 on SD ladder today with it.
I know ursh fire is the better core but barely ever brought shifu so I just ended up scrapping it for sth that sovels some of my issues.

[sonic wind]

Bulky Firepon is also excellent in those match ups but it can effectively redirect Incineroar's Will-O-Wisp, threaten Urshifu-R, and just has a powerful offensive profile.

I recommend trying to bring Urshifu more, it doesnt have to pick up kills but just being on the field its making a huge impact, no more trick room/tailwind stalling, or trying to pivot in support while they protect their restricted. Best with Taunt Urshifu to really nail the Amoonguss match up imo.

[west glacier]

idk. I really like how shit is working rn. Ill get back to a board state with ursh and firepon but I also just dont like it as much since its so popular after the tang win

[fair marlin]

I really wanted to use the Weezing team but it’s difficult getting it working

https://pokepast.es/a41b9599af9d50ef

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[jovial creek]

Are you trying to use weezing

[fair marlin]

Yeah, was using neutralizing gas to let regigigas and Toedscruel go ham

[fair marlin]

So what would you do? Replace Regigigas with Urshifu with ability shield perhaps?

The only notable problem with this comp that I’m seeing is definitely when switching Toedscruel to Regigigas

[sonic wind]

Theres an already successful Galarian Weezing team if youd want to use that

Regigigas, Toedscrool, and Hitmontop are just some bad Pokemon

and I'll never recommend Coaching Iron Valiant with a special restricted or Life Orb Terapagos

[fair marlin]

Well I need a restricted so what should I do?

I chose Terapagos cause Weezing doesn’t affect it

[sonic wind]

https://pokepast.es/3cf32474136c06f5

[fair marlin]

Why trick room?

[sonic wind]

@jovial creek keeyyyoorrrrrdd

[fair marlin]

Well this just took all the wind out of my sails

Was hoping to play something fun but…. This doesn’t feel fun at all

[sonic wind]

I can type now
Trick Room is great to reverse opposing Trick Room since your Pokemon are fast
its also good to use vs Whimsicott & Tornadus teams that try to outspeed Caly-S and Urshifu through Tailwind.

[west glacier]

just dont set up a TR that the opponent benefits more from than you do. Last 2 CalyS opps set up TR for me lol

[ornate cloak]

Apart from the fact that you're using Weezing the wrong way (Weezing is meant to be a support mon here, not an offensive threat), half of your team is unviable, not to mention Terapagos itself is being used unoptimally.

[fair marlin]

I’ve changed it since this

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/39914efa463f93e0

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2302212922

Made my attempt at an offensive tr team using Groudon and Meowstic per request of a friend. Ik galar-slowking is an odd choice but it seems to work :)

Vgc reg g

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[dense nebula]

Yes i forgot to put prankster on meowstic

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/d699bce022016ffa

heres a slightly modified version of the same team

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[random wagon]

unfortunately gravity stats arent very good as a main strat

i think as like a secondary strat it’s alright

[west glacier]

Its not a main strat if only 1 move profits of it

[random wagon]

i was assuming it is as it was the name of the team

[wooden echo]

Hi guys, I built a team and I would appreciate feedback and to know what weaknesses the team may have: https://pokepast.es/12b461b8ea52332a

Sorry I gave rillaboom the wrong nature: https://pokepast.es/b379da2bde800367

[random wagon]

first 4 are fine, the last 2 dont make too much sense, i think you are better off with ursh and torn and go for tw

or use incin over torn for a balance team

but trick room kyogre is more of a bo1 gimmick with like iron ball

[wooden echo]

Ok

[wooden echo]

Tornados doesn’t learn thunder wave tho

[sleek laurel]

Tw stands for Tailwind

But I can see why you messed that up LMAO

[wooden echo]

How about this?: https://pokepast.es/3f9f8a01bc3f9cbf

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[jovial creek]

If you want a funny idea

Specs sturdy arch

[austere marsh]

https://pokepast.es/d89e00caf9ce02b3 wdyt?

[jovial creek]

This looks very solid, I'd change rillaboom to incineroar to help into Miraidon and make raging bolt booster Energy or life orb

Peli also could be tera ghost

[austere marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-yes-approve-kylo-ren-gif-8494678

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/2aef2a65e3e96b14

What’s this, Stallsun made another VGC team completely unrelated to the former ones? Tell me something new.

Anyway, Specs Terapagos + Decorate. This could be too gimmicky, but it sure was a concept I wanted to try and didn’t seem unviably gimmicky on paper. Tera Starstorm does 3 billion to everything after Decorate and the team has a lot of support in terms of redirection, Speed control (Tornadus), offensive partners yadda yadda. Rest is honestly pretty standard, it’s mostly an attempt at building with this core.

update: overlooked the 4/4 concept on Terapagos' EV spread, pretend I didn't

[random wagon]

honestly looks very solid! Would helping hand be better on alcremie over encore? I feel that alcremie is a tad bit too slow to properly abuse encore.

[sleek laurel]

maybe, good thinking

[random wagon]

also maybe tera grass/ghost urshifu? Tera Water Urshifu is meh aside from scarf sets imo. Tera Grass also helps in the zama MU since you can ignore amoonguss

[sleek laurel]

will try those ty

which one you recommend?

[random wagon]

Grass

[sleek laurel]

bet ty

[jovial creek]

theres a specs pagos team with decorate smeargle

[fluid cairn]

https://pokepast.es/8a98d7eb2e9d5f1c

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[sonic wind]

I dont like the gimmick considering you can just use Iron Defense and stronger Pokemon

[fluid cairn]

I like Jumpluff setting tailwind and I like having helping hand on Zamazenta, do you know about any better options?

[sonic wind]

youre only using jumpluff over the infinitely better available speed control is cotton guard baton pass, and helping hand on your big strong legendary is generally bad

[fluid cairn]

that makes sense thank yhu

[ornate cloak]

The concept in itself isn't bad, I'd drop Jumpluff for Flutter Mane, and Ting Lu for Chien-Pao, and I assume you're starting out new, refer to the smogon sets, they give you a good idea of how each Pokemon functions, with proper reasoning, and if you're still having trouble, try using an existing team with Zamazenta-Crowned to get a better feel of things before branching out on your own

https://pokepast.es/d2cef6753dc01560

Michael Kelsche's World's Top 4 team for your reference iyw team ideas

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[fluid cairn]

tysm ✌️

[ornate cloak]

Nws

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/b7293e33486caa5e heres a team i made while i was sleep deprived im going to give a few notes as well with this (im going to put this in both the regular smogon server and smogon vgc so if you see the other one just respond on the server you feel like responding on). Some things I want to note are that i prefer a defensive tera on ursaluna as it feels like it already hits hard enough and i used ursa over lando) cause i wanted a tr user. Something to note about the tailwind user is that i wanted covert on calys but after a bit of testing i found that i never really clicked nasty plot much so I have no idea what to do with the items of calys/torn and the moveset/evs for calys. Any suggestions are welcome, also please @ me when responding or reply to the message if possible.

[tribal void]

additional note this team has trouble against opposing calys and i want to fit a dark type in without the team ending up like the usual calys balance but im having hard time thinking of what to fit in

[random wagon]

icy wind torn is just super mid, i suggest running taunt over that

What is ursa-b even doing here though? What does it provide?

[tribal void]

i only really used it as a mon that could use tr but thats about its only advantage compared to lando I (and i guess the normal typing)

[sonic wind]

Try Tera Normal Psychic Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow and Cloak Taunt Tornadus

Honestly Bloodmoon slot seems fine as something that can aid in the Mirai match up and the mirror where you set up Trick Room

[tribal void]

would ursa just run av or silk scarf then if i have LO on caly?

[sonic wind]

Silk Scarf probably

[tribal void]

Thanks

[narrow dock]

Can someone rate this team

[bitter meteor]

im no expert but why does ur trick toom calyrex ice have 0 slow partners and speed investment

[sleek laurel]

Tr Caly often runs speed investment regardless

Tailroom is one of the preferred Caly archetypes

But having 0 slow mons is indeed dubious on paper

Though there’s bolt

[sleek laurel]

Send in pokepaste format

It’s considerably easier for raters to read

I don’t see anything BLATANTLY wrong with it, but I’d wait for an active team rater tbh lol

[sonic wind]

you probably just amoon > tinkaton and drop coaching for taunt
Fine Tailroom squad

[random wagon]

i would also consider dropping thunder on raging bolt for thunderbolt

[narrow dock]

What about this

https://pokepast.es/0b639161c320015e

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[sonic wind]

Umbreon seems like a much worse Pokemon than Chien-pao here

[woeful ember]

im new to comp and was curious why the specific ev investments on urshifu and flutter mane?

[bitter meteor]

rly? didnt know tht

[native hollow]

https://pokepast.es/d10a87b5619ed189 u can rate this vgc team?

[jovial creek]

I like the concept but I think it could use some refining

ogerpon could be something like urshifu-r and hitmontop could maybe be alolan ninetales to set snow

indeedee should also have follow me

[sonic wind]

^^
Cloak > Boots on Torn, rocks are very rare and it doesnt want to pivot.
Incineroar > Chi-Yu once you drop Hitmontop probably so you dont get cooked by Zacian

[jovial creek]

I feel like you could play into zacian

[sonic wind]

4 mons ohkod + waterpon and indd is rather shaky

[jovial creek]

does chi yu get ohkod

[sleek laurel]

If it clicks Sacred Sword then yes

If it clicks +1 Play Rough then probably

Behemoth Blade not an OHKO I’d figure tho

[sonic wind]

+1 76+ Atk Zacian-Crowned Play Rough vs. 68 HP / 84 Def Chi-Yu: 135-160 (97.1 - 115.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/58f25934b39f5063 what legendary should i add as well as a sixth pokemon, i would like a pokemon with tr to shut down other tr teams

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[sleek laurel]

This channel is usually to ask for changes on fully finished teams (as in finished teams of 6), I’d recommend going to #comp-general and then asking for help over there

[sleek laurel]

Yea it’s a common option (only saw this rn)

[woeful ember]

https://pokepast.es/17e80759f8d74e0b ive been having a pretty even W/L ratio more positive than anything but was seeing if there could be any more improvements or tweaks

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[bleak grove]

https://pokepast.es/20a1572b78cd9a07

[random wagon]

calm mind kyogre doesnt really fit what you are going for on this team, i recommend using protect over that. Bizzard should be Ice Beam, just more reliable. Water Spout is probably just better over Thunder, and running faster EVs with Tera Grass helps.

Tornadus is generally run on Kyogre teams, so I recommend that over Whimsicott, thanks to its acess to Rain Dance and 100% Acc Bleakwind Storms in Rain.

Run Flash Cannon over Earthquake on Archaludon, really doesn’t make much sense to run EQ.

And I think the last two slots can be swapped out for Urshifu-R and Landorus/Rillaboom

Gliscor just sucks and Flutter Mane doesnt really help Kyogre all that much

You also already have speed control so flutter is even less necessary

[bleak grove]

I can see you're also in the smogon doubles server so check the convo I already had in #vgc

[random wagon]

i see that you dont enjoy urshifu, and i get that. But urshifu is the best pokemon for a reason. You are playing a competitive game and the objective is to win, and people wont shame you for using urshifu, nor will they praise you for not using it.

[rancid rain]

https://pokepast.es/efde59904df7b4de

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[rancid rain]

I tried putting together my first doubles team

[jovial creek]

why do you have an alcremie

just decorate?

[rancid rain]

Yeah decorate and I like

It makes Farigiraf feel threatening

sometimes

[jovial creek]

if you are fine with changing it then decorate smeargle with calyrex-I has been good

[rancid rain]

What the Smeargle set?

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/02a53cf75e329503

Smeargle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Own Tempo
Tera Type: Grass

• Spore
• Fake Out
• Follow Me
• Decorate

and then you run minimum speed evs and ivs to make it slower than calyrex-I in trick room

[rancid rain]

Ohhhhhh that's the team I've been seeing

How well does it do into that one team with Miraidon, Iron Hands, Firepon, and Farigiraf with the electric seed?

Cause that team has been giving me some trouble

[jovial creek]

it should do well

indeedee calyrex lead

trick room and follow me

then spam glacial lance

[rancid rain]

Good to know

[opaque pine]

Can sum1 rate my team this is my first attempt at creating one

https://pokepast.es/f528b80a5ba973ec

[opal nymph]

first vgc team, what can I improve or do?

https://pokepast.es/5186f919af0265bf

[sonic wind]

Gastrodon & Ting-Lu have terrible synergy with the rest of the team and arent even good Pokemon inthe first place, I'd definitely recommend Farigiraf and Whimsicott instead. Miraidon loves powerful speed control

Urshifu also wants Detect > U-turn and maybe even a Focus Sash here

[jovial creek]

its not very good, if you want to use kyogre than I'd recommend using https://pokepast.es/7488442438a92eeb or https://pokepast.es/175e54770eed88b7

also since you are new it helps to use a team that has done well so that you can learn more about the game and not have to worry about your team

[opal nymph]

Ok thanks, also what makes a good synergy?

like what does farigiraf have thatwould go well with the rest of my team

[random wagon]

A good synergy is bascially a combination of pokemon that assist each other in some way. For example, Rillaboom+Urshifu-R+Incineroar have good synergy because Rillaboom can take on Ground-, Rock-, and Wate-types for Incineroar, Incineroar can take Grass-types for Urshifu-R, and Urshifu-R can take Fire-types for Incineroar

[random wagon]

Farigiraf is able to deny priority attacks like Fake Out, Aqua Jet, Sucker Punch, etc

It also provides valuable speed control in Trick Room, notably reversing opposing Trick Room

Finally, Farigiraf carries good supportive options like Helping Hand and Foul Play to increase Miraidon’s damage or break through physical attackers such as Calyrex-I, respectively

[opal nymph]

Ah alright thank you that makes sense

yeah ting lu kinda sucks with my team he only did well in one match where i hit 2 fissures in a row but in the rest he did absolutely nothing

[sonic wind]

^
To add onto this, they can use Fake Out + Unseen Fist to threaten many Pokemon

Ting-Lu weakens your own Miraidon and is in general a difficult Pokemon to use because of its poor match ups vs all the top tiers
one of Miraidon's biggest issues is Rillaboom and Gastrodon just invites it in, Storm Drain also absorbs your own Urshifu's moves so you basically cant have them on the field at the same time, this is anti synergy.

[opal nymph]

ohh yeah that is true thank you

so I was making it a 4v8

[opaque pine]

What makes mine so bad as compared to the others

[spiral gale]

https://pokepast.es/64fdc78787f9fbd1 this will be my team for double restricted when it comes out

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[spiral gale]

what do you guys think of it

[sleek laurel]

I’d recommend waiting until Double Restricted is available, asking for help with yet-to-exist metas isn’t good because we don’t know either

[jovial creek]

Lando T isn't very good, the kyogre set is bad, arch is meh, basc is meh, and the incin and amoonguss sets are weird

[opaque pine]

okay thanks

[sonic wind]

^^
We can give a guess but trends can very easily die within a week, think Latias in Reg F or many of the paradox mons for Reg G

[sleek laurel]

^

[opaque pine]

Would groudon and torkoal with trick room work as a team?

[fluid cairn]

https://pokepast.es/2cb58c12b5c50013 Was thinking of switching out the farigaraf for something else lmk

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[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/7183f3d9ed83e2b8 little caly-ghost action. Most of my ev spreads were pulled from pikalytics. Tried keeping top restricteds in mind, like Tera normal for the mirror, wilowisp for caly-ice, high horsepower for miraidon, etc. speed control isnt a problem since every Mon has an answer to get off an attack in a turn. kinda struggles with physical walls like dozo, but I feel more free than I do with most teams.

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/d8824f9f0d37cdd7
Made a cheesy T-tar team with rock slide spam Lando + T-tar. I ran a little less speed on Zama because I wanted slightly more bulk, should I change this? CS Lando-T is really nice, outspeeding the annoying Miraidon and OHKOing. Intimidate + with sand, Tyranitar BASICALLY has +1 to defense and sp. def. Add dragon dance to its set, and rock slide hits extremely hard with a mon that is extremely hard to KO. Thoughts?

[random wagon]

this is a very solid start! I recommend running Tera Ghost over Tera Grass on Incineroar, as it provides a stronger matchup into Zamazenta-C, pretty much walling it with Rocky Helmet Chip and Will-O-Wisp.

Also, why Dragonite?

I feel like you’d be much better off with speed control in Tornadus or maybe Raging Bolt?

[random wagon]

This also looks relatively solid, a few things though.

Tyranitar is probably nuch better off running Focus Sash because it will often get one shot tbh

This gives leway to Tera Ghost, although I imagine you dont terastalize Tyranitar often

Tyranitar is also not often running away with games using Dragon Dance, so you’d probably be better off with Stone Edge or some kind of disruptive option.

You also want some form of speed control on Flutter, probably just drop Dazzling Glean for Thunder Wave or Icy Wind

[umbral roost]

Js did that, thanks tho. But T-tar is so bulky, so I don't understand wym by it can get oneshot.

Only way it does is by a fighting move I think.

[random wagon]

Finally, I think switching the item on Urshifu-R from Lum Berry to Safety Goggles to ignore Spore and Rage Powder, and run Protect over U-turn.

[umbral roost]

Also fair, js a potential thing.

[umbral roost]

I agree with this. Thank you.

[random wagon]

there are lots of foes thatcan OHKO it, such as Rillaboom, Miraidon, Ogerpon, and more, especially since you aren’t running any bulk.

You also said that you’re struggling with Dondozo, and that makes sense, as Zamazenta-C can’t really touch it

Abusing Rillaboom’s Fake Out and Wood Hammer potential should help out a lot, and Landorus-T can threaten Tera Grass or Tera Stee Dondozo with Tera Flying Blast and Stomping Tantrum, respectively.

[umbral roost]

https://pokepast.es/4cd0949233ede96c
May like this version more, Will-o-Wisp won't be as bad and Miraidon is another special attacker I may need.
Thoughts?

[lean lion]

https://pokepast.es/453657706e901b89
first time actually building a comp team after testing out tons of copied teams

[random wagon]

IMO if you are using Miraidon you don’t actually like having Sand chipping you down.

And Landorus isn’t as useful as you can already deal with opposing Miraidon when using Flutter Mane or Tera Fairy Miraidon

[random wagon]

The team has a lot of clashing Pokemon, like Rillaboom and Indeedee-F conpeting for terrain and Primarina getting its damage hindered because of Koraidon’s sun. Some good exemplar Koraidon teams would include Wolfe’s EUIC team (currently in finals), and Luca Paz’s team.

[jovial creek]

Don't use wolfe's team if you aren't him

It's not beginner friendly

[random wagon]

Honestly i don't know many good korai twams 😭

*teams

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/15f96e8ca3f4dc18

https://pokepast.es/2370351737e3cc67

[tribal void]

korai teams usually are just korai flutter bolt cornerpon and then calyI answers and a fire type

feels like korai is solved

but there is definetly possible variations in sets

[sonic wind]

whats this for

tapu koko and mgengar are not in sv and cant be used in vgc

[native hollow]

Ah

Wait

I send another team,srry

https://pokepast.es/5ae1eb42eeeccc53

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[sonic wind]

weve already rated this

[sonic wind]

.

[lean lion]

ill check those out and fix that, thanks

[fair marlin]

I’ve got a VGC comp here that was inspired by the finals of the championship today

https://pokepast.es/8433197bb8cd1692

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[jovial creek]

that was euic not worlds

[fair marlin]

Oh they must’ve misspoke then cause they said worlds once

[jovial creek]

or wait

do you mean finals of worlds

or euic

euic was today

worlds was cir valiant

[fair marlin]

EUIC, they must’ve twisted their words and said worlds one time

[jovial creek]

they were probably talking about worlds invites

[fair marlin]

the comp was inspired by EUIC today

[jovial creek]

I think treads is best on miraidon

[fair marlin]

Since I have a Calyrex-I I decided maybe I can make it work

[jovial creek]

since cir already has a good matchup

[fair marlin]

Ah I’ve got a comp for that

[jovial creek]

wdym

[opaque pine]

https://pokepast.es/c5cbd765de5c2b80 Wanted to use Caly-Ice, tried not to make any mon too fast for trick room, I pulled my evs from pikalytics. Are there any big weaknesses or mistakes I should fix on my team?

[jovial creek]

but I'd change farig and treads and make urshifu aqua jet over uturn

[jovial creek]

go AV bolt

and then probably play some games and see how it does

[fair marlin]

I partially wanted to revisit using treads cause I previously wanted to use it but gave up cause I couldn’t think of anything, but here’s the CIR comp I have

https://pokepast.es/edea0222c486a2d5

[jovial creek]

didn't link

[fair marlin]

There we go

[opaque pine]

AV bolt? I'm not sure what that means I'm new to all this

[jovial creek]

assault vest sorry

[opaque pine]

ohhh that makes sense okay I'll try that

[jovial creek]

I wouldn't run hearthflame on rain

if you want redirection go amoonguss

and maybe tera fairy on cir

[fair marlin]

I encountered safety goggles too often

[jovial creek]

that should still be fine

you can spore the other pokemon

or not bring amoonguss

it also forces them to bring the safety goggles pokemon

using amoonguss more will teach you to play around that

[fair marlin]

Well if I can’t redirect wow CIR goes down

[jovial creek]

wdym

for wisp you can use

urshifu

or lando

or peli

[fair marlin]

They don’t negate it

Plus Urshifu’s sash breaks then

[jovial creek]

how

[fair marlin]

Burn damage

[jovial creek]

if you mean helmet incin

amoonguss can redirect that

[fair marlin]

I meant safety goggles Incineroar

I saw that WAY more than helmet

[jovial creek]

have you tried not leading cir

and killing the incin

[fair marlin]

I have but then they switch it out

[jovial creek]

yeah you have to play around that

not having a way to redirect wisp doesn't make a team bad

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/1b0acf66fdba594b rate pls

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[jovial creek]

It's pretty all over the place, most of the sets are pretty bad and I don't understand hydrapple there

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/019dea0c44e4c421 who can help improve this team?

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[sonic wind]

I dont like this at all tbh: The Miraidon is trying to be Specs and doesnt even run Protect, while there isnt a Farigiraf to protect it from Fake Out and CIR. P2 + Latias tries to play a long game but Mirai is not that bulky and you get overwhelmed by any offensive restricted.
Basc sucks and is even worse without rain
Bad Flutter and Urshifu sets that misses the point of what they're supposed to do

I highly recommend using a sample team to better understand the metagame before building.

[woeful ember]

https://pokepast.es/23fb932803b5545f would anyone be able to help improve this team?

[tribal void]

aqua jet and psychic terrain don't work together, replace jet with another move like taunt. i suggest safety goggles on incin and have a different tera type like ghost or water. indeedee f is missing 4 evs and if you want a tera type that resists dark fairy is a far better typing, also don't know how 6 evs on a mon works when the first point up is 4 evs and the stat increases after that require 8 evs

also recomend a faster urshifu due to lack of speed control outside of trick room

wait nvm ignore the "lack of speed control"

theres literally a booster speed iron crown there

but still i'd personally run a faster urshifu unless im calcing to live a move

[sonic wind]

I like this, Iron Crown's kinda bad though, I'd recommend Landorus in the slot for maximum coverage, takes on a lot of mons that will come in to resist Blizzard.

Make it or Urshifu Scarf probably, the team's very slow right now

[woeful ember]

i think ill try this as im just now realizing how rarely i use aqua jet

[woeful ember]

im assuming you’re recommending incarnate form as im seeing thats quite popular

[sonic wind]

yeah

[woeful ember]

ouu i actually like that, it also gives me a better opening to S-calyrex

i appreciate all the info from yall

[woeful ember]

https://pokepast.es/a305dc20d39871e1 i think imma give this a go evs should be fixed and imma try yall’s tera and mons suggestions, also im gonna try to go a more defensive approach with veil and since i lack speed ive opted for icy wind instead of encore

[fair marlin]

I took inspiration from Dyl Yeomans for this team, any feedback?

https://pokepast.es/9f54cb173e36e1ce

[fresh flicker]

I'd recommend Sitrus on Fari, Wiki heals on too low hp to be worth it in most cases

I'd also recommend Knock off on Incin

Don't use Protect with CB, Clear Amulet would be better if you wanna keep protect or go volt switch in the protect slot if you wanna keep CB

Not too familiar with treads in general but maybe Tera Ground may be better as its a more offensive type.

[fresh flicker]

I suggest using a Sample for now

[fresh flicker]

I suggest using a sample, literally everything Luna said, except I wouldn't have the words for this-

[fair marlin]

What’s CB? I am smooth brain

[fresh flicker]

Choice Band

[fair marlin]

Ah right

[fair marlin]

Force of habit to put protect on everything as I rarely used choice items previously

[hazy hamlet]

how do i use a sample team

[narrow dock]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2307343992

[timber lake]

https://pokepast.es/f578c47317600039 Hey I have a team that I want to be rated

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fresh flicker]

If this is a serious team. Use a sample, stall is terrible in VGC in general.

[jovial creek]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ pick a team from this, import it to your showdown teambuilder and you are good to go!

[hazy hamlet]

k

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/ab61b1490f9afb50 My new team, won 5 games in a row with it

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/66e385d4182ffa32 how's this team

[hazy hamlet]

tera eletric discharge will prob make this team unbeatable after setup

on miraidon

[sonic wind]

This is kind of a standard Mirai comp that tries to deviate too much
Farigiraf is mandatory so you dont lose all momentum vs Fake Out, especially Rillaboom, I'd do Giraffe > Lando.
Iron Hands also helps tremendously with the Caly-I match up, which is awful here. Bolt also overlaps even more with Miraidon than Iron Hands does which is crazy.

[hazy hamlet]

luna rate my team https://pokepast.es/b3a79d73471f7a15

[jovial creek]

Uh

Specs kyogre is good

The rest is not

[hazy hamlet]

i won 5 games in a row with it'

[jovial creek]

That's not a good way to judge a team

Low ladder sucks

[hazy hamlet]

its a good unusal team

[jovial creek]

How

[hazy hamlet]

my main roagblocks are trick room teams

roadblocks*

[jovial creek]

I like the kyogre torn farig idea

But i think you want mystic water to work better all game

[hazy hamlet]

tera grass zapdos deals with other torn+kyogres

[jovial creek]

Bleakwind storm ohkos it

[hazy hamlet]

i originally ran sash on zapdos

[jovial creek]

Maybe an iron hands

It also would help into kyogre

Because it's so tanky

[hazy hamlet]

but iron hands is slow

[jovial creek]

That's fine

[hazy hamlet]

i guess ill replace tera grass for tera eletric on zapdos

so bleakwind doesnt ohko it

[jovial creek]

That's not the problem

[hazy hamlet]

aight

i chose tera fairy iron treads to deal with urshifu,whisicott and other broken fairy and dragon types

mainly raging bolt

my team has a lot of diversity towards it

the main problem is trick room teams

so i plan on giving torn taunt to stop trick room

sometimes

wanna 1v1 to test my team?

[fair marlin]

I fixed my team a bit more

https://pokepast.es/93dfa1c844f8017c

[fresh flicker]

The team looks fine for now. You're good to go at the moment.

[sonic wind]

Make Miraidon Tera Fairy and probably run smth like sash/cloak icy wind > helping hand on Iron Valiant to synergise more with Miraidon.

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/c706b04bca31394a who can help improve my team?

[fresh flicker]

There are a variety of issues here that will be forcing a lot of replacing. If you want to use Kyogre I suggest using this sample team:
https://pokepast.es/175e54770eed88b7

[hazy hamlet]

but idk the main strat of the team

[fresh flicker]

It basically does what your team tries to do but with better support and synergy.

[hazy hamlet]

ok ig

[fair marlin]

Got it

[fair marlin]

So use sash/cloak on Valiant?

Also in this comp who would you say my core is? I’m fairly certain it’s Farigiraf, Miraidon, Ogerpon, but not 100% sure

[sonic wind]

yep

[fair marlin]

Got it

I assume keep wide guard

[sonic wind]

Yeah

[fair marlin]

@sonic wind so if you were to pilot this team, which 4 would you say should be the default choice if you’re unsure about your opponent?

[sonic wind]

Miraidon Farigiraf Ogerpon flex slot
can look at their biggest threats and some type match ups to fit in your last mon, playing gives you the best experience

[fair marlin]

Alright, wanted to know what your opinion was

[fair marlin]

Won my first battle

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2308000455

[jovial creek]

Are you playing bo3?

If you have the time I'd recommend it

[pure carbon]

https://pokepast.es/bababb789e6c8996 Was inspired by Wolfey’s video on the Pledge moves and wanted to see if I can some how fit on a reg. G team. This is by no means a serious team (obviously) but I just thought it would be fun to use which it is and have gotten some wins with it on showdown.

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/e6a97d863cd6d1c2 one of the teams I'm testing, really good so far

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[humble lichen]

Oddly specific Koraidon EVs?

[humble lichen]

No Tailwind on Talonflame?

[hazy hamlet]

torn is the tailwind setter

[humble lichen]

Nvm true

[hazy hamlet]

talonflame is a kyogre and flutter mane counter

[humble lichen]

Talonflame is a what check

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/e3f7e615c21b25ae

[hazy hamlet]

talonflame is a flutter mane and kyogre couter, which is why it has tera eletric tera blast and passho berry

its also a offense pokemon for other pokemon with the same type or moveset

[humble lichen]

oddly specific EVs on everything

mind elaborating?

[hazy hamlet]

mostt profesh players use specific EVs for certain moves

like for example, the porygon2 on my team is trained to survive attacks from ghost type sweepers like calyrex shadow or flutter mane

and is trained to apply status effects on other pokemon like tornadus

[sleek laurel]

VGC players use oddly specific EVs more often than 4/252/252 spreads

It’s more common to see specialized spreads than basic ones except for like

Focus Sash mons

[sonic wind]

@narrow dock

[random wagon]

t hats some bo1 type of shit

[hazy hamlet]

i updated the team

wanna see?

[random wagon]

ok

[past harbor]

How does talonflame, a fire type counter kyogre, a bulk water type with drizzle my guy

[hazy hamlet]

its tera eletric

tera eletric tera blast

[past harbor]

Doesn’t even KO from full, + redirection

[hazy hamlet]

that was before i replaced it with ogerpon water

[past harbor]

If you are just gonna say Tera blast, then anything can counter it

Ok much better

Until it slaps on Tera grass but good

[hazy hamlet]

thats why its paired with koraidon or ice spinner dragonite

its also trained to be specially bulky

wellspring ogerpon is trained to be a specially bulky kyogre and flutter mane counter

if u wanna see my team lemme show you

[past harbor]

Sure, the last one had specs kyogre which is a completely different team

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/9a6cfdacf5316806

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hazy hamlet]

im testing like 6 teams

to see which one i prefer best

i plan on replacing iron treads with something like raging bolt

[vernal blade]

https://pokepast.es/d65ce7c178ed5418

Im trying to make liligant useful but im veeeery new to this

[random wagon]

early in reg g i also tried lilligant (the second time reg g came around) next to groudon and found that one; tera ghost is so good for fake out, two; protect is also really good and three; you really only need close combat to attack, especially when running both urshifu-s and flutter mane which hit ghosts

and adamant nature on lilligant should be fine because you double your speed with the sun

tera fire is also generally better on groudon for your caly-i and will-o-wisp weakness. With sun up water attacks dont scare you as much so tera fire works out

you probably just run sash on urshifu

With adamant and tera dark to make up for the black glasses being dropped

since you have sun you can run smth like specs flutter or run sash flutter and run scarf on urshigu

and for specs i recommend moonblast, dazzling gleam, shadow ball, and icy wind/power gem

for sash i recommend moonblast, icy wind/thunder wave, shadow ball/taunt, and protect

sunny day ogerpon also doesnt make much sense, power whip/wood hammer/horn leech for grass-stab is much better

and rillaboom can most likely be smth like electroweb assault vest raging bolt or covert cloak sunny day tornadus

[vernal blade]

Im very Bad at English, but thanks and the cover cloak tornadus is a greaat idea and im probably gonna try all xdd

[west glacier]

If its purely ur kyogre counter training it specially isnt as useful since u arent hit by its water attacks anyway

[timber lake]

https://pokepast.es/966edabdc30cc3c7

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral gale]

you name yourself whimsicott yet dont use a whimsicott

this feels criminal

[timber lake]

Whimsy is my favorite pokemon

also I used it in previous gens when whimsicott was available without paying

[fluid cairn]

Because whimsicott is the goat

True and 100% factual

[hazy hamlet]

its also trained to be specilly bulky against other high damage special attackers like gholdengo, flutter mane, or miraidon

jesus loves yall

im predicting the unova remakes will be called pokemon blinding white and pokemon blindedblack

[sleek laurel]

that's probably #pkmn-general stuff, but LMAOOOOOOOOOO

[hazy hamlet]

nvm pokemon presents 2025 is so ass frfrfr

the only good announcement was them saying that legends za is scheduled for late 2025

whic means basically july

[umbral roost]

Amen.

[hazy hamlet]

fr fr

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/1121cdb617c01669 rate me team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

I don't think ndm is good

I wouldn't ever suggest using it

[hazy hamlet]

wdym by ndm

[jovial creek]

Necrozma Dusk mane

[near acorn]

yo guys, idk if this is the right channel to ask, but can someone give me a cool team (ivs/evs spread and moveset) with shadow calyrex / incineroar/rillaboom and idk who to put

[tawny snow]

https://pokepast.es/5a0c6911c33416f1 - Kyogre rain BASED Offense.
Im new to VGC, played around with a few offensive teams and landed on the water spout idea.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

i got this one gamers

[broken shuttle]

okay, i think the base idea isn’t bad, but it’s a little all over the place. for starters, there are a few weird move choices here, you definitely want spikey shield on ogerpon and raging bolt over tera blast and u turn respectively. additionally, the team structure itself is a little odd. I would start by taking the choice scarf off of kyogre and giving it mystic water instead and then dropping a mon for tornadus-i. kyogre really appreciates the extra damage, the ability to run protect, and the better matchup into opposing tailwind teams that torn provides. for offensive kyogre builds. overall i think offensive kyogre structures should usually start from the core of tornadus/kyogre/tsarreena. Kyogre is your restricted and provides a lot of offensive power, Tsareena blocks priority from mons like raging bolt and rillaboom, and Tornadus-I provides speed control for both as well as flying STAB to hit grass types kyogre struggles with. some other common partners include raging bolt, landorus-i, and urshifu-r

i would check out this top 16 team from Stefan Mott/Pengy https://pokepast.es/7488442438a92eeb for an idea of where to start!

some of your item choices are a little awkward as well, scarf ogre is not unviable but definitely needs some additional speed control from tailwind, amoonguss prefers and item like mental herb or rocky helmet since it does not often stay on the field long enough for black sludge to matter (also! amoonguss NEEDS spore, it’s basically the entire reason it’s good bc it applies sleep pressure, drop giga drain for it), choice specs landorus is a bit unconventional but i suppose it could work- i would test life orb though

this is an adjusted version with a few changes to make it a bit stronger: https://pokepast.es/c9113e2a50e98578, gambit is a little niche but honestly it’s worth testing here- same with specs lando. if u have any questions about the specific changes i’ve made lmk!

[broken shuttle]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ i believe there are a few in this thread!

[tawny snow]

I see. My thought process was follow me would just shut down sucker punch and thunder clap, and it's a bit like HO where you just sack amoonguss or ogerpon and gain some momentum in the match. I've been struggling with grass types a bit, Landorus is usually my only counter to those. I also thought that tailwind would make kyogre a bit frail over scarf, where you outspeed miraidon and the others in the speed tier. Gambit is mainly there for pinch scenarios with for example, Miraidon who my team struggles with since draco meteor ohkos lando, and the speed control with sucker punch really comes in handy. Thank you very much.

[tawny snow]

This version looks dope. will test it out

[jovial creek]

go sludge bomb lando

[broken shuttle]

oh i didnt even see that😭

[tawny snow]

But essentially kyogre and lando are the only purely offensive mons in this??

[tawny snow]

why so

[jovial creek]

sludge wave hits your ally

[tawny snow]

Oh yeahh mb

[broken shuttle]

that’s fine though, it’s not like singles in the sense that you want multiple breakers on an HO team, it’s okay to only have 1-2 main offensive pieces and then some friends (i.e. tsareena, torn, amoon) to help facilitate those offensive pieces

[broken shuttle]

tsareena is also a little more reliable as a priority block than pon and provides additional utility with taunt and helping hand, + hits rillaboom and raging bolt super effectively with triple axel which is really nice

follow me cannot redirect fake out, tsareena just blocks it alltogether

[broken shuttle]

as for grass types, torn and tsareena should help into those a lot

if you find you’re still struggling into miraidon you can also try choice scarf modest landorus-i

[hazy hamlet]

can someone send me a sample dusk mane team?

[broken shuttle]

unfortunately there have not been any successful dusk mane teams in reg g

it unironically has never been brought to a regional

[hazy hamlet]

i have a decent dusk mane team im testing

[broken shuttle]

Lugia has more tournament brings than ndm

[hazy hamlet]

even ndw has more right?

[broken shuttle]

well yeah, but NDW has an actual metagame niche on psyspam, solg and ndm have nothin

also #comp-general-2 pls!

[hazy hamlet]

k

wanna see the ndm team I'm testing

[broken shuttle]

i mean

tbh

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/00264101c81387e8

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

if you want objective advice do not use NDM

[hazy hamlet]

iron hands is a trick room counter

comfey is a bulky tailwind setter

walking wake is a ground type counter

single strike cringeshifu is the other high damage dealer

ndm is a dragon dance sweeper

and flutter mane is there for damage

i used ndm bc of prism armor

negating 75% of super effective attacks

ndw is 2 4x weaknesses so i picked ndm

[hazy hamlet]

bro i need teambuilding tips or guide

[sleek laurel]

ok well

there's some misplaced EVs over here

is the one thing I can say for sure

because EV spreads at level 50 work different from level 100

it's not just "4 evs = 1 stat"

[hazy hamlet]

k

[sleek laurel]

so like

i'd recommend using standard smogdex EV spreads on your mons

because level 50 EVing is a little complicated if you don't know how the math works properly lol

[hazy hamlet]

wdym

like 252 252 4 ev spread?

[sleek laurel]

no it's like

ok so, at level 100, every 4 EVs you invest in a stat, you gain 1 stat point

full stop

but at level 50 it doesn't work like that

so specialized EV training becomes way more complicated

i'd recommend going onto the smogdex pages for the Pokémon on the team for movesets and EV spreads and apply them to your current Pokémon

it's some minor optimizations that help a lot in practice (ofc there's still the restricted choice thing gep was talking about, but as far as optimizations go, these are there)

[sonic wind]

formula is 8n - 4 iirc
where n is how many extra stats
so if you wanted to make your pokemon faster you'd use 76 speed evs
this is because every stat is 8 EVs except for the first one which only needs 4

[sleek laurel]

it is, but then you get into stuff like the 4/4 bulk concept

and similar optimizations (including nature choices & company)

which is why I was telling them to just check smogcord spreads lol

[sonic wind]

This channel will attempt to optimise your team for high level competitive play. If you're using something unusable / unsalvagable, like Necrozma Dusk Mane, we'll tell you not to and to build with another restricted. This is because the Pokemon sucks, your current set for example; walled by Incineroar, Intimidated cycled by Incineroar, can't outspeed the fast Pokemon in the meta and doesn't have power or bulk to compensate. Need to boost to kill the Calyrex formes, whilst also needing to boost twice to threaten Miraidon, who OHKOs you. LO Calyrex-Shadow also OHKOs you half the time, and you have a very hard time touching Zamazenta. This Pokemon just kind of sucks and we highly recommend using a sample or another proven team.

[hazy hamlet]

thats what im doing

im using sample team

[sleek laurel]

vgc boutta be the only meta where I recommend using actual samples rather than tournament-proven teams for new players

because tournament-proven teams are usually far more well known (by the opponents) in vgc than smogon's samples

[sonic wind]

this isnt a sample team

[drifting onyx]

VGC (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Sample Teams
• Role Compendium
• Speed Tiers
• Tera Type Index
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• C&C Reservation Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[sleek laurel]

i think he meant he changed the team

/scrapped it

[sonic wind]

sample teams are in the link

[sleek laurel]

but yea check those out

[sonic wind]

to be updated soon for euic

[sleek laurel]

btw luna since you're already here

how much speed does

tailroom ice rider want

just the 36 on smogdex or more?

[hazy hamlet]

im using a calyrex-ice urshifu-S sample team

[burnt surge]

I'd advise you not use Necrozma Dusk Mane as your restricted

[hazy hamlet]

k

[burnt surge]

It loses to too many other Restricteds to be consistent

[hazy hamlet]

i used it bc of its ability and typing not having that many weaknesses

[sonic wind]

Tang ran EVs: 252 HP / 116 Atk / 4 Def / 20 SpD / 116 Spe
Navjit moved bulk around for 140 Spe but that was Eleki not Tailwind

[sleek laurel]

ty

[sonic wind]

also ty I just noticed

[sleek laurel]

the spread in smogdex is fucked up btw

it says

36 evs 0 ivs

😭

[sonic wind]

yeah

one sec

[sleek laurel]

ty

LMAO

[burnt surge]

Its typing isn't that good offensively or defensively

If you want to use a Steel-type restricted, you'd rather use Zamazenta-C or Zacian-C

[distant trellis]

Yeah ndm sucks

For similar reasons to why solgaleo sucks, admittedly it's probably slightly more usable but that's not the point nor is that saying much

[random wagon]

ndm is def better than solgaleo but still sucks

[distant trellis]

Trash vs garbage 😭

[tawny snow]

I see. Thanks alot.

[hazy hamlet]

k

[abstract latch]

Can someone help me with my Miraidon team? I wanna switch out a mon (Iron Hands) but can't figure it out if there's any synergy to begin with in the base team. I'm also trash at giving my mons stats soooo they suck
https://pokepast.es/f81e6e57f6898aad

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

hey howdy! a lot of the mons on your team have little to no real synergy with each other and you're using some fraudulent mons like Raichu-A and Lando-T that have little-to-no competitive viability and don't really add a lot to the structure

what kind of miraidon structure are you looking to make?

there are plenty of sample teams here: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-25-regulation-g-sample-teams-thread.3747193/ if you'd like to peruse

[past harbor]

Lando-T having no competitive viability is something I would never expect hearing

[broken shuttle]

it's almost entirely outclassed by its cousin lando-i and incin

[past harbor]

Oh nvm lando is still here

[broken shuttle]

unranked on the VR

[abstract latch]

Well I wanted to use Raichu-A for its Fake Out pressure and paralysis with Nuzzle, and Surge Surfer makes it faster so it can outspeed. I was thinking of giving it Electro Web as well. As for Miraidon I wanted to use it as a massive damage dealer, hence the specs and the coverage moves but I might switch it for Life Orb and give it Protect instead of Overheat. I wanted to keep those main two on the team if any of this makes sense

[broken shuttle]

i see

well i think as far as Miraidon goes specs is the way to play it

i could see life orb working with the right support though!

i would start off by changing miraidon's tera type to fairy and giving it dazzling gleam over overheat

that helps out the mirror matchup a lot and gives you a lot of options as well as a strong spread move

[abstract latch]

Should I keep Chi-Yu just for more damage?

[broken shuttle]

Chi-yu fits pretty well on miraidon cores

[abstract latch]

Gotcha

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/6b45bc2f6032b151

something like this might work pretty well!

[abstract latch]

Oooooo

Thanks! I really appreciate it!

[hazy hamlet]

wanna 1v1 to test ur team?

[sonic wind]

ask for games on the PS rooms

[wispy crow]

https://pokepast.es/ea83caf337e7a6dc hi :) i really want to use reshiram and guts flareon. i know i should be using raging bolt but i think he's ugly (and regular raikou is my favorite pokemon so i would like to keep him around). open to literally any other suggestions regarding moves, pokemon to swap out, evs, items etc.

[sonic wind]

Reshiram can work but idt Flareon nor Raikou are worth it in a competitive setting, can't do much without swapping them out

[wispy crow]

I see I see, do you have any recommendations for what to swap them out with? I like the idea of hisuan goodra but I'm not sure.

[sonic wind]

I wrote this about a team if you want
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-2024-regulation-g-metagame-discussion.3737377/post-10366200

[wispy crow]

oh thank you!

[pseudo current]

could i get help with items? i feel slightly outpaced with amoongus rage powder and am not sure who to give saftey goggles to, my thought was to give incin goggles, suicune the berry and amoongus the cloak, any thoughts? also any opinions on the lando T spread? i think its the best I can get it https://pokepast.es/90e2d40c6049f3a6

[broken shuttle]

i think the bigger issue here is the mon and set selection

your team lacks synergy

it's not sure whether or not it wants to be an offensive or balance build

i would start with an established koraidon build like this https://pokepast.es/a7b36e3bee685fb3 and then adapt as needed

[hazy hamlet]

k

[hazy hamlet]

rate my team

[rocky nova]

Dm m rate my team

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/a5ee8f92fe068f63

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

solid

usable

doesn't seem too weak to anything in particular

mirror mu seems annoying but it's csr so that doesn't mean much

[hazy hamlet]

what kind of team did i just encounter??? 😭 🙏

https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2311068659 the battle btw

[sonic wind]

All the samples are good yeah

[heady horizon]

how could i share the stats?

[hazy hamlet]

Pokémon!!!

[sleek laurel]

damn uh

ok so

send all the stats in my dms

for every mon

and i'll convert here if you wanna

like true stats i mean

the ones you see on the "check summary" tab

[heady horizon]

ok give me a second

[heady horizon]

Koraidon @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Level: 79
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Thunder Fang
• Collision Course
• Dragon Claw

Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Protect
• Icy Wind
• Dazzling Gleam

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Blaze
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature

• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Overgrow
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 248 Atk / 4 SpD

• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• High Horsepower
• U-turn

Chi-Yu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dark Pulse
• Psychic
• Heat Wave
• Snarl

Farigiraf @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Helping Hand
• Hyper Voice
• Psyshock

[west glacier]

The EVs overall are ass

Flutter probably prefers sash on a Koraidon Team. Chi Yu and Flutter EVs are ok

Koraidon generally runs Jolly max speed rn to be faster than most Miraidon or at least speed tie(and so u can scout speed tiers with flutter)

Running incin without Intimidate is wild. Sitrus also isnt that great since the Horses prvent its consumption. Maybe opt for AV or Safety Goggles.
Also swap out Flareblitz on Incin for sth else(HH, WilloWisp or Taunt). You really dont jeed firr coverage next to chiyu and Flutter

Incin also usually runs bulk spread for def and SpDef to live certain attacks. Maybe see what you want your incin to be able to tank and ev according zo that

Same for Rilla. Rilla usually runs less attack invest and is more used as a fake out pivot with AV to reset terrains vs CSR, CIR and Miraidon teams commonly running Terain setter.

Also 100% Fake Out over High Horsepower

If you run farig here it should be anti TR so either just TR or use Imprison+TR

The possibly Foul Play and Psychic/Psychic Noise with a defensive item(Grassy Seed or Rocky Helmet maybe)

Or run it as a TR sweeper with Throat Spray Hyper Voice like Wilfey did at NAIC

[broken shuttle]

a lot of them still run bulky adamant, wolfe is rly the only one using jolly korai

but max/max adamant korai is bad yeah

[broken shuttle]

i would recommend trying out the common korai variant https://pokepast.es/a7b36e3bee685fb3

[hazy hamlet]

https://pokepast.es/898dd5b73d80ac96 rate my team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @random wagon, @broken shuttle, @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[broken shuttle]

your sets and spreads are all sus as fuck

CIR does not need anything other than glacial/high horsepower or close combat/protect or imprison on hard tr/trick room, and tera psychic is unviable

comfey is also unviable and outclassed by amoonguss as a healer and a littany of other mons as a speed controller
flutter mane should be booster speed with icy wind, but if you're running that you should probably run speed on caly asw. sash is only good on koraidon, you need the speed boost
policy hands is unviable, you would greatly prefer assault vest & no tera blast grass
you accidentally still have sand force>sheer force and ground tera lando– also sludge bomb>sludge wave
urshifu should be bulkier if it's mystic water or 252/252 if it's sash

[abstract latch]

https://pokepast.es/3c089bc0f87794c2 hep

i'm so bad at giving EVs

I need a bulkier rilla and oger preferably

[broken shuttle]

do not run rillaboom and miraidon on the same team!

they have really big anti-synergy cz they both want their own terrain up

[abstract latch]

Man and I thought I was being cheeky

[broken shuttle]

i would replace miraidon with a calyrex ice rider, make ogerpon-c power whip> u-turn, and fake out>stomping tantrum on rillaboom

[abstract latch]

okay okay bet

[broken shuttle]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 20 Def / 28 SpD / 76 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Wood Hammer
• Grassy Glide
• U-turn

this is a good rillaboom spread

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thanks!

[broken shuttle]

totes!

[hazy hamlet]

whats cir

and i picked comfey bc of its ability triage

[abstract latch]

calyrex ice rider!

[broken shuttle]

^

[broken shuttle]

triage is not enough to make it viable

[hazy hamlet]

o

triage gives healing moves +3 priority

and it having above averae bulk

makes it a challenge to tak it out

and its decently fast

[broken shuttle]

yes i know what triage does

[hazy hamlet]

tera grass tera blast is a water type counter bc most of my team struggles against grass type pokemon

[drifting onyx]

Comfey (Gen 9)

Typing

Fairy

Abilities

0: Flower Veil | 1: Triage | H: Natural Cure

Base Stats (BST: 485)

51 / 52 / 90 / 82 / 110 / 100

Weight

0.3 kg (20 BP)

Gender Rate

75% Female

[broken shuttle]

51/90/110 is not above average

[hazy hamlet]

wdym

some of the meta support pokemon are frailer than 51/90/110

[broken shuttle]

then add mons that beat water types

or actually use iron hands' electric type STAB to beat those water types

[hazy hamlet]

k

ill prob replace lando bc it doesnt really fit on my team

[broken shuttle]

uh

bro

lando is one of the best mons on that team

[hazy hamlet]

ok

[broken shuttle]

you just don't have good enough speed control to justify running life orb

[hazy hamlet]

ok

soooo

[burnt surge]

isn't comfey only used on CM Terapagos teams

[hazy hamlet]

comfey's +3 priority on healing moves and its slightly above average bulk is what made me use it

[broken shuttle]

yes

[hazy hamlet]

enables me to heal my mon's without worrying about speed bracket

mons*

[burnt surge]

only your calyrex and iron hands (why isn't it AV?) benefit from Floral Healing

[hazy hamlet]

mhm

[burnt surge]

if your team was bulkier, then I'd understand

but your team points fairly fast and offensive

[hazy hamlet]

its also for flutter mane to prevent sash from being ignored most of the time

[burnt surge]

those are niche situations

[hazy hamlet]

i have been in those situations alot

[broken shuttle]

& sash flutter mane does not fit on this team

[burnt surge]

esp since Flutter is immune to Fake Out

[broken shuttle]

right now this entire team gets swept by calyrex shadow rider

[hazy hamlet]

its for when the opponent uses a resisted hit to break sash

[burnt surge]

If you want to use Comfey, you should build around Calm Mind Terapagos

if you want to build around Calyrex-I, then you should include bulky Pokemon that can assist in setting Trick Room

[hazy hamlet]

idk how to use terapagos, when i used it in a sample team, it kept getting one shot

[broken shuttle]

https://pokepast.es/8449e8df4d2dcc1a

something like that for example

[hazy hamlet]

not a fan of the slower reaging bolt

seems a little too reliant on trick room

[burnt surge]

You're using Trick Room and it's AV

[hazy hamlet]

whats AV

[burnt surge]

Assault Vest

[hazy hamlet]

k

my team feels more flexible imo

i used that same sample calyrex-i team

it felt weird

[broken shuttle]

i mean

you can make it faster

[broken shuttle]

this does not matter, it's a calyrex-ice team

if you don't like it, then fine, there are other good calyrex ice builds

[burnt surge]

https://pokepast.es/b0dceed3c3a8421a

This is what a Terapagos/Comfey team looks like

[hazy hamlet]

i prefer my team bc im the one that made it so i understand the potential and weaknesses more

if u want you can try my team

[burnt surge]

what happens if you face into Caly-S

[hazy hamlet]

then i use trick room to kill it before it starts moving first

thats also why comfey has tailwind

also the pokepaste link is a little outdated bc i modified comfey a little

but replacing alluring voice with taunt

i dont remember if i replaced covert cloak

i find using terapagos boring

its so spam tera starstorm til the opponents wishes you drink bleach

[burnt surge]

100 SpA Calyrex-Shadow Helping Hand Astral Barrage vs. 12 HP / 244 SpD Comfey: 126-148 (98.4 - 115.6%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

And you don't have a single Ghost-resist

[hazy hamlet]

fr

and im considering it

but the only types that resist it are dark