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[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

I think you have bigger problems than the lando

[knotty harbor]

?

[jovial creek]

Talon and kyogre sets aren't very good

Talon in general isn't very good

Tsareena is ok

[knotty harbor]

can i just

get advice of what to replace landorous with

[jovial creek]

This server is for optimal teams

How can I give advice if the problem isn't the lando

[knotty harbor]

can i please get more then these sets arent very good then

[jovial creek]

Ok

Kyogre should be tera water/grass

Ice beam>thunder

Tornadus is better than Talonflame since it has rain dance and better stats+ability

Cc>punch on shifu

Tera Poison lando and probably tera water tsareena

Id suggest you try that out before making an adjustment

[knotty harbor]

why would i need rain dance?

[jovial creek]

Other weather setters

Like groudon

Koraidon

Ninetales-a

[knotty harbor]

sigh

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/57516deffdd789fd

VGC reg h bo3

[steep mesa]

https://pokepast.es/10fb2c1932f9ed1a

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/ffa9814d4986d0d3 what should i add/alter

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow scroll]

I wouldn’t use Tera ghost on King Gambit. Tera dark for damage, bug as a defensive one.

[fringe scarab]

https://pokepast.es/2cbc6a6ca7495597
thoughts on this Sun team with Venusaur?

[sterile flame]

Kinda raw, I would use venusaur as more of an offensive support rather than just spreading status

[jovial creek]

This actually looks really good

And then the venusaur

[jovial creek]

Id make gallade an incin and give lunala wide guard over moonblast

[jovial creek]

#comp-general question

[fringe scarab]

I tried leaf storm and weather ball over Toxic but they didn’t really work well.

Any ideas?

[fringe scarab]

Any recommendations?

[jovial creek]

Maybe a chi yu

Scarf

[sterile flame]

I would slap a life orb on it and put sludge bomb over toxic

run stab

[fringe scarab]

So life orb Sleep, protect, sludge bomb, solar beam?

Got it

[sterile flame]

yeah

[sterile flame]

or giga drain so you can use it in rain

[fringe scarab]

Could work. I tried giga drain before but didn’t like how weak it was but with life orb it could work while healing the recoil.

Noted

[sterile flame]

👍

[finite drum]

huh

[jovial creek]

This channel is for finished teams

[finite drum]

oh

mb

i didnt know that

[ornate cloak]

Feel like you could go Tera ghost on Incineroar but yh this team looks really good

[ornate cloak]

Uh?

What

I'm 99% sure Ogerpon and Regidrago aren't even allowed in regulation H

And the team says 2025 reg G..

[west glacier]

Typo

?

Dunno why no restricted though

[dense nebula]

yeah sorry. meant reg g

[west glacier]

@dense nebula u have to add a restricted

[ornate cloak]

You don't have any restricted at all

[west glacier]

Also none of the mons are good in Reg G with few exceptions

[ornate cloak]

In restricted formats, you select your restricted Pokemon first and then build around that Pokemon

[dense nebula]

im aware yes

[ornate cloak]

Ye so uh, pick a restricted

[west glacier]

Why not?

[ornate cloak]

They're probably new to competitive or smth

[dense nebula]

just didnt feel like adding one

[ornate cloak]

Uh

[dense nebula]

ive got most of the legends thats not an issue

[ornate cloak]

In a restricted format..?

[ornate cloak]

You're playing on a cartridge?

[west glacier]

If u arr actually trying to win you need one. They are insanely strong

[ornate cloak]

^

Also, even if we forget abt restricteds, just from a regulation H standpoint, some of the mons could be better

That Talonflame could be Whimsicott

[west glacier]

^Torn or Whimsicott are so much better than Talonflame and would fit on your team better too

[ornate cloak]

Ye

And Annihilape could prolly be Sneasler/Urshifu (given format)

[west glacier]

Annihilape is better than Sneasler tbh. Scarf Final Gambit is ok

[ornate cloak]

Not that Annihilape is particularly bad, it's js Sneasler and Urshifu are kinda better and easier to slot in imo

[west glacier]

Urshifu is ibvi better but doesnt do what FG does.

[ornate cloak]

Honestly, valid take

Fg can be useful

And Regidrago could be lorb/Draco plate because it needs protect

It needs to be able to alternate between dragon energy and Draco Meteor if you're running low on hp without any means of recovery

And Terablast is kinda bad on it because ep nukes most steels

[dense nebula]

alr give me a moment

https://pokepast.es/b2b27ba18e35dac9

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense nebula]

that better @ornate cloak

[ornate cloak]

Gimme a minute

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/71360f91c54dc443 or this

[ornate cloak]

Tornadus over Talonflame
Scarfed Urshifu-Water over Urshifu-Dark
Go with av Archaludon
Kyogre should leftovers cm instead of water spout
Saftey Goggles Tera ghost Incineroar
And maybe an offensive Rillaboom

@dense nebula

[soft nexus]

lando i over lando t

[west glacier]

thats really not helpful ngl...your not upgrading his team ur making a new one atp

[ornate cloak]

The issue is, his team is just

Idk how to politely

[west glacier]

Torn for Talonflame since he can reset rain manually and is just better overall
Lando-T needs TW or he can be exploitet easily if u get intimidated.
Archaludon isnt good in Reg G. YOu saw sneasler everywhere in H...now he is gone. They just cant keep up with speed tiers and damage in Reg G. Archaludon needs to go imo. maybe for Thunder, voltswitch, Eweb Regieleki

[ornate cloak]

Is Lando even good with Kyogre?

[west glacier]

I feel like urshifu dark is ur only answer to CalyS rn. Thats kinda bad since calyS can just TeraFairy or water and DK OHKO if its tera fairy.

[west glacier]

hard checks Miraidon so yes

is ok. He needs a Miraidon check

[ornate cloak]

Miraidon always pairs with Ogerpon so uh, idk

Also the Kyogre should be lefties instead of specs

[cursive mason]

lando-I is

[west glacier]

Rill is probs better. but you can just slot Rillaboom for Archaludon and poss swap Ogerpons mask to Rock

[cursive mason]

idt I've ever seen anyone use therian

[west glacier]

^yeah hes dead rn

it seems

[ornate cloak]

And the Archaludon could be kinda nice with electro shot maybe?

[cursive mason]

arch is prob workable but eh ogre teams have better options

[ornate cloak]

Fair enough ig

[west glacier]

But I feel like just ripping someones team apart and just giving him a new one isnt a good aproach.
Sure you should mention that his team for sure isnt optimal and that taking at least some inspiration from top teams is a good idea but like...its not unusable.

you can make it to Master Ball with that and most people dont really want more tbh

[ornate cloak]

I agree abt the first half, but uh, idk abt the team being well, yk

[west glacier]

its usable not good

[cursive mason]

I mean the basic concept here is workable

[ornate cloak]

I'm gonna be frank, ion play on cartridge so idek how those battles function

[cursive mason]

you can def make arch ogre torn work

[ornate cloak]

He has Talonflame

[west glacier]

He needs speed control without scarf on lando or urshifu imo

[cursive mason]

yeah that's not working here obv

[west glacier]

and talonflame isnt it there

Torn for manual Rain and TW

+Bleakwind 100%

[ornate cloak]

Ye and taunt for trickroom is also nice

[west glacier]

pretty obvious pick imo. Whimsicott is also ok since fire is weaker but torn is imo better

Also needs Eweb or icy wind as a 2nd option and taunt over poison jab on urshifu

[ornate cloak]

Honestly depends whether you want manual rain or encore

[west glacier]

or sucker punch

[cursive mason]

also I think you should just put rapid strike here

waterpon is not rly worth

[west glacier]

^

yeah

[ornate cloak]

Rapid strike shifu in rain ruins p much every restricted other than Koraidon and Miraidon

[west glacier]

Rain boosted SS is too good to pass up.

[cursive mason]

torn ogre lando rapid strike arch and like uhh giraffe is maybe ok

[ornate cloak]

Icl tho, even with Lando, this team just looks so dead to Miraidon

[west glacier]

he doesnt havea good calyI check if Kyogre is terad(im lying for the sake of rockpon) which RockPon could do

[ornate cloak]

The issue is

[west glacier]

TF for Torn, Arch for AV RIllaboom

[ornate cloak]

Rillaboom could prolly do smth

[west glacier]

improves the matchup a lot...Tera Grass Rillaboom just kills CalyS with Woodhammer too.

[cursive mason]

yeah that's why I think giraffe could be solid

[west glacier]

like yeah idk we are gonna find issues with the team

[cursive mason]

you check both horses and give prio block which is rly nice for HO ogre

[west glacier]

anyway gotta get some shinies

[ornate cloak]

The Ogre can be lefties cm protect opulse thunder prolly

[cursive mason]

eh idt that set rly works with this team

[ornate cloak]

Scarf?

[cursive mason]

you want a more balance core with cm ogre

[ornate cloak]

True

[cursive mason]

you prob just go mystic water

[ornate cloak]

Tbf specs Kyogre with tailwind support could be huge

But you need to be very careful while positioning it

[junior magnet]

Idk how to ev

https://pokepast.es/b407dadb3844dbbd

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Use this https://www.smogon.com/dex/

[ornate cloak]

Tera fairy on Lunala
Tera ghost on Ursaluna
Tera ghost on Incineroar
Tera water on Urshifu
Tera electric/Tera fairy on Raging Bolt and give it Draco Meteor instead of dragon pulse
Tera water on Amoonguss

And copy the EVs from the smogon Dex as Bigfoot mentioned, but other than that, really good team

[soft nexus]

Just asking, don’t people complain about smogon sets?

[random wagon]

yeah but they generally are a good starting point

[ornate cloak]

Smogon sets are a good way to start until you learn how to come up with your own ev spreads

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/25c80dd05ebc1a6b im back because I don't know how i'd be able to change my team to be better against landorus I + rain cause the only thing that can end up hitting landorus I in rain is dark pulse from chi yu or ivy cudgel from ogerpon

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

Can't you light screen+swap groudon in

[tribal void]

risking burn

burn happens

and groudon still takes like 30 from ep

the most frustrating part imo is when they switch peli into groudon

cause i don't exactly have a switch into lando

[jovial creek]

From what

[tribal void]

sandsear

[jovial creek]

Sheer force blocks that

[tribal void]

oh yeah

[ornate cloak]

Is av Groudon even good?

Cause I'm p sure Groudon kinda needs protect + intimidate protection and Annihilape alone doesn't really help with that imo

[ornate cloak]

Could even run Whimsicott for manual sun

Can potentially encore Lando-I into protect or sludge bomb or smth

Cause this team also looks really weak to Flutter Mane

He needs to give up Tera just to make sure Flutter Mane doesn't brute force it's way through this team

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/d716fe50965df118

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant trellis]

fake out kinda annoying into this

eleki is a bit of a MU fish but it can be rly threatening into anything slow

was consdering maybe using farig for said fake out

[ornate cloak]

Eleki js doesn't accomplish much

[ornate cloak]

Farig over kg imo

[distant trellis]

kingambit is for the TR mu cuz this team is kinda hopeless into that without it

[ornate cloak]

That's why you use Farigiraf to reverse trickroom

And Iron Hands over Regileki prolly

Iron hands + Farigiraf can be p solid

[distant trellis]

the initial idea was eleki with miraidon does some gross electric damage

[ornate cloak]

Ye but like

[distant trellis]

albeit eleki just

dies

in a single hit

[ornate cloak]

Like you said, mu fish

[distant trellis]

mhm I don't bring it very often

like into kyogre teams it blasts them open

[ornate cloak]

And Miraidon kinda already does Eleki's job

[distant trellis]

but miraidon already does that so

ye

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[distant trellis]

it was probably cooler in my head

[ornate cloak]

The thing is

This would work in a non-restricted format

[distant trellis]

but yeah miraidon just does the job for eleki

[ornate cloak]

But in a format where Miraidon exists, it's just not worth it especially when you realise Eleki is too weak to priority

Now personally

[distant trellis]

kinda need to worry about the grounds since I only got ursh for them and the restricted ground type sets sun up which makes that worse

[ornate cloak]

I'd recommend taking a look at Luca's team

And using that as a reference point to build around Miraidon

[ornate cloak]

Urshifu kinda ruins most grounds

Make your Urshifu a bit more bulky tho imo

[distant trellis]

ye groudon is the kinda annoying one

[distant trellis]

luka's was the tera stellar focus sash I just swapped it to tera ghost cuz fake out was annoying me

idk if it had the minmaxxed evs tho

[ornate cloak]

Urshifu-Water usually runs bulky spread these days in these types of teams

Iron hands js pairs really well with Miraidon

[distant trellis]

the bulky attacker set on smogdex I assume?

[ornate cloak]

Because it ruins any potential steels that may threaten tera fairy Miraidon

[ornate cloak]

Ye

Tbh you can experiment a bit with Urshifu

[distant trellis]

extra fake out pressure is nice too

[ornate cloak]

See what suits you best

Ye

[distant trellis]

I've been enjoying taunt on it personally

[ornate cloak]

• if you want to discharge spam, that's also an option with assault vest iron hands

[distant trellis]

I prefer the coverage of gleam ngl

[ornate cloak]

Ye that's fine asw

And then Farigiraf for trickroom

Iron hands can also (occasionally) function as a trickroom mon itself

[distant trellis]

yeah like when I started laddering with this team eleki was just farming stuff but as I got to actually competent teams it was hard to pilot

[ornate cloak]

Cause you don't have much opportunities to bring Eleki

[distant trellis]

teams weak to eleki are already weak to mirai ye

I only brought it to double down the electric spam

[ornate cloak]

The thing is, Eleki is mostly used for speed control with electro webs, but that's kinda pointless here because

1. You have Icy Wind
2. Whimsicott with tailwind is just better

Also, if you want a way to deal with Groudon, use either RockPon/FirePon

[distant trellis]

what about caly i

just incin and ursh to try and bring it down?

[ornate cloak]

Honestly you can lead Miraidon Farigiraf

And just reverse trickroom

Or

You bring Ogerpon-Cornerstone or taunt speed booster Flutter Mane

[distant trellis]

like that was the main reason I slapped kingambit on cuz kingambit just beats caly i

high horsepower won't kill without a boost

[distant trellis]

rockpon over eleki?

[ornate cloak]

Ye

And Iron Hands and Farigiraf over uh, Kingambit and Incineroar

You can honestly test Flutter Mane over Whimsicott

[distant trellis]

I kinda like incin here but I'll try it

ig I'll make several versions see what I like

[ornate cloak]

Yh

Definitely need Farigiraf and Hands tho

They're crucial

[distant trellis]

ye will do that

thx

[ornate cloak]

Also, if you're using clamulet hands, go with av Incineroar

[ornate cloak]

Nws

[distant trellis]

I could also do covert cloak incin if I drop gambit

goggles was mostly for amoongus

which already gets stopped by e terrain just gotta pivot around rilla

[sonic wind]

Electric Seed Farigiraf is better for the tr match up, especially if you can afford Imprison

most teams use helping hand and Tera Iron Hands as the CalyI mu but that overlaps too much with the main idea imo

[distant trellis]

what would you reccomend

[sonic wind]

I think you should test Farigiraf by itself with Imprison

also uh
maybe not goggles Incin if youre going to use Miraidon

[distant trellis]

so e seed farig imprison helping hand protect and 1 attack?

[distant trellis]

ye swapped it for cloak

[sonic wind]

Psychic Noise Foul Play Trick Room Imprison

[distant trellis]

gotcha

so iron hands farig over kingambit and eleki

should I run taunt on flutter over icy wind since the speed control is less necessary?

fast taunt could be useful

shuts down p much every supporting mon

[tribal void]

incin doesn't like switching into groudon and annihilape and ogerpon can scare it off and av groudon lives rediculous hits. Its quite oddly specific though

[ornate cloak]

Annihilape as a mon in regulation G is just

Not it imo

[tribal void]

it does stuff sometimes

final gambit

it is very very very niche and specific though

[ornate cloak]

I mean

There's a niche, sure

But like, idk it's just kinda out there

https://pokepast.es/87009a9be73180a2

Speaking of which I built a Miraidon team of my own

And needed some suggestions on it

[tribal void]

wellspring is the only weird one out imo

why wellspring

[ornate cloak]

Cause I was losing to ground types while testing

That's p much why

Could probably swap to Cornerstone idk

Also, icl Wellspring feels really good into rain and cir

[tribal void]

rain matchup is already good enough no?

mirai

and cir is patchup up by farig+hands

but if you do want to continue with wellspring

maybe invest some bulk

[ornate cloak]

Hmm

Actually ykw

Imma go with Cornerstone

Cause I js realised that Cornerstone ruins cir pre and post Tera

[jovial creek]

It's usable

[ornate cloak]

It's usable, sure, but like, it's kinda niche if that's the right way to put it

[tribal void]

i mean the niche it has, being a defiant mon that threatens incin and also having final gambit as a sort of cheap way of getting out of situations is the exact thing i need for the team

[distant trellis]

yeah final gambit is a good tech for a mon that has such high natural hp

granted it also needs to stay healthy but whatevs

you can work around that

sometimes the threat of the button is enough to force a certain play

[tribal void]

final gambit has to be the only reason (besides snarl chi yu) why i can put up with pagos ngl

with my team at least

cause one miss means a sub for the pagos user

so its good to have a move that just kills it

no tera shell involved

[timid niche]

Guys I need your opinion,Do you think it is balanced?
https://pokepast.es/42b8b2dda97aa41c

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/47dd4d82647ce0fa

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile flame]

its def a team

you want wide lens on maushold and tsareena, and tbh I think on kyogre teams specifically its a lot better to have the grass type that blocks prio so you can get around rilla and bolt

you can run triple axel to not only deal damage to those mons but hit your own arch as well to boost its defense so you can provide a lot of value

[timid niche]

True

[sterile flame]

tornadus is almost necessary on kyogre teams since not only does prankster tailwind mean you're able to make kyogre faster than everything 9/10 times, but also having access to prankster rain dance to take away sun from groudon and koraidon teams

plus rain makes bleakwind 100% accurate

on a team like this as well rillaboom doesnt really need high horsepower, and can opt for a stronger move like wood hammer since you have torn doing your speed control now, you can also give yourself grassy glide to help

if you still want ground type nukes you can replace grimmsnarl with landorus to have an ohko machine

you can swap rilla over to av since it helps with miraidon already, and run sandsear storm to have a strong ground spread move you can use in grassy terrain

[timid niche]

Uhmmmm

And what would you trade for Tornadus?

[timid niche]

I really wouldn't like to remove moushold

[sterile flame]

I think that's the best option so other than that idk

grimm and maus are the ones I'd let go

if ur dead set on maushold ig tsareena

[timid niche]

My idea is to start with Grim, put up a screen and Mousl use protection and in the next one charge Archa with population bomb

[sterile flame]

In this format where everything deals so much damage its just not that worth it too me

its entirely up to you but that's my opinion

[timid niche]

Ok

[timid niche]

And who do I put something for trick room?

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/246a5ce6aeb11474

it is good?

[soft nexus]

What is trick room on farigiraf for

[thorny aurora]

cancel other trick rooms, or if the opposing team sets tailwind I can set trick rooms if im not in a situation where i can use tornadus

its better to have it than not to have it, i dont see any other better move

[soft nexus]

people might hate you for this but farigiraf gets access to ally switch

that is if you want to run it

[thorny aurora]

hate me why?

[soft nexus]

Cuz it’s very unpredictable and nobody expects it

And if your opponent has a lot of momentum ally switch ruins it

[thorny aurora]

ok ty

[thorny aurora]

do you think anything else needs to change or is the team good as it is?

[jovial creek]

Don't run ally switch

Farig has better moves

[ornate cloak]

Run Coaching on Urshifu instead of aqua jet

You can boost your Zacian-Crowned's stats if it gets intimidated

And run Terablast fire so you don't get burned from Incineroar

[jovial creek]

Wha

No

[timid niche]

https://pokepast.es/68d6cebd77817c45
What can i do with trick room?

Kill him before?

[untold relic]

with Tornadus I don't think Kyogre needs Scarf, Mystic Water + Protect is probably a better shout (Spout Opulse Ice Beam Protect)

most TR setters don't live HH tera water spout

caly-ice has to tera to water grass or dragon to live

or, you could just boost archaludon to high heaven + call tera correctly to get through tr w/ brute force

[timid niche]

Without scarf I always lose 100% against calirex

[untold relic]

you have Tailwind?

[timid niche]

Yup

[untold relic]

then just Tailwind and kill calyrex...?
if caly-s is really annoying slot in snarl on archaludon

I'd recommend going Sitrus > Wide Lens on Tsareena (though if your luck is really bad you can stay) and going a different tera over ice

[timid niche]

Actually my only problem right now is trick room

[untold relic]

exactly which form of TR

Lunala / NDW psyspam types, or more standard bulky calyrex-ice stuff

[jovial creek]

How

[timid niche]

Not always

[thorny aurora]

best https://pokepast.es/5f28abe34395c0e4 ?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[thorny aurora]

@jovial creek

[timid niche]

Let's see, I'm going to play with visible team, so I guess the team works better because I know the opponent's item or ability.

[untold relic]

that doesn't answer the question

which type of Trick Room do you struggle against

[untold relic]

Regidrago does not want Life Orb due to Dragon Energy scaling off of HP, Dragon Fang is best

[timid niche]

When I can't kill him on the first try

[untold relic]

what restricted do you struggle against?

and what Trick room setters?

counters to Calyrex-Ice and counters to Indeedee + Lunala are very different

[timid niche]

Lunala and calirex ice i think

[timid niche]

Yeah, Those are the problem

My best option would be to try to make him OhK

?

[untold relic]

that's almost never the solution

well sometimes, but usually not

[thorny aurora]

anything else?

[timid niche]

F

[untold relic]

against Calyrex-Ice you can try to use Rillaboom Fake Out to buy turns while Kyogre can Spout twice, if they have Farigiraf / priority blocking, go with double damage (landorus + kyogre)

against opposing Fake Out you just have to bulk Archaludon using Triple Axel / U-turn on Tsareena & Rillaboom and muscle thru

[untold relic]

is Tera Ground Tera Blast Zacian working? kinda haven't played since last Reg G, so don't know the meta super well but Sub SD or Play Rough might work there & a more defensive tera

but if u struggle into mirai it's probs fine

otherwise the team is probably fine

[thorny aurora]

yes, theres been a lot of Miraidon lately and that helps in the match up against him

[untold relic]

also drop tera ice on tsareena for something like water or steel

[timid niche]

Against fake out it usually starts with tornadus and then instantly changes to tsa

[untold relic]

that's fine then

[untold relic]

that's also fine but tornadus has cloak so u don't care about fake out anyways

the only way they get TR up vs torn is if they redirect taunt

in which case kyogre can just spout + bleakwind probably nukes most things not named lunala / tera caly ice

[timid niche]

Keep in mind that they know I'm wearing the cape here, so they won't surprise him.

[untold relic]

exactly, will most likely be rage powder / follow me into you to get up trick room

which you can drop spread moves on

[timid niche]

And second, What can I do against Wide guard?

I mean advice

[untold relic]

the most common Wide Guard mons are Zamazenta-C and... Bastiodon, from the limited results we have

so Lando-I just clicks Earth Power into both

if they tera grass they die to Sludge Bomb so gg either way

[timid niche]

Ok

Although they use it a lot with ferropaladin too

[untold relic]

what is ferropaladin

[timid niche]

Eehhg

I don't know the name in English

[thorny aurora]

iron valliant?

[untold relic]

o that guy yeah

[timid niche]

That, I didn't remember.

[untold relic]

rillaboom glide = gg ez

valiant dies to a sneeze

archaludon also does quite well into it

[timid niche]

Really?

Ok

[untold relic]

since it normally just runs wide guard encore spirit break

idr it running cc though I could be wrong

[timid niche]

Ok thx

I will continue testing in the showdown

[jovial creek]

It has good phsydef

[drifting onyx]

Iron Valiant (Gen 9)

Typing

Fairy / Fighting

Abilities

0: Quark Drive

Base Stats (BST: 590)

74 / 130 / 90 / 120 / 60 / 116

Weight

35 kg (60 BP)

Gender Rate

Genderless

[untold relic]

74/90 is good physdef?

better than Flutter but like

[jovial creek]

"Good"

Compared to the spdef

[untold relic]

nah both are shit

[soft nexus]

how? It’s literally follow me but more annoying and hard to predict

is it because you cant spam it?

[untold relic]

It's the degenerate 50/50 form of Follow me

also in OTS it's laying your win on a 50/50

which is never good

and if you cheese a couple wins off the 50/50 it doesn't help you as a player (learn, I mean)

[soft nexus]

dawg how is a Pokémon move degenerate? It’s a video game

follow me is more degenerate than ally switch because it doesn’t have a chance of failing every time you use it

[jovial creek]

Better moves

[soft nexus]

like?

[jovial creek]

Helping hand/tr

But iirc farig just didn't fit there

[ornate cloak]

Go Tera fire on Zacian-Crowned

Miraidon will most of the time Tera fairy so you can js Behemoth Blade it

Will-O-Wisp protection is crucial on Zacian-Crowned

[soft nexus]

Tera fire makes zacian hopelessly weak to lando

Redirection would be better

[ornate cloak]

He has Shifu and Rillaboom

[soft nexus]

shifu gets outsped by scarf lando

[ornate cloak]

• I'm sure a +1/+2 Behemoth Blade nukes Lando

[soft nexus]

and they run sludge bomb and u turn

scarf

[ornate cloak]

Tailwind

[soft nexus]

tornadus lando

[ornate cloak]

Also, tera ground isn't spectacular into Lando either

[ornate cloak]

Isn't that regF stuff

[soft nexus]

no

it’s still here

[ornate cloak]

Not as common tho

[soft nexus]

then this team fumbles into it

[ornate cloak]

I mean

There are ways to play around

Also, the only time I've seen Lando is on Kyogre teams

[soft nexus]

what

only?

[ornate cloak]

Yh

In bo3 format anyway

Kyogre and then occasionally cir

[soft nexus]

this guy isn’t doing bo3

[ornate cloak]

Bo1 cts asw the only time I've ever come across Lando is Kyogre and cir

[soft nexus]

cir is the 2nd most popular restricted in bo3

[ornate cloak]

Personally, every cir team I've faced runs
Cir
Farig
Incineroar
ShifuWater
Clefairy/Amongus
Raging Bolt/Bloodmoon

Never seen a LandoI (not saying it's because it's bad) but I've personally never seen it

[soft nexus]

lando is more popular than ursa bm…

[jovial creek]

dude

please don't give advice if you don't understand the metagame

tera fire zacian is not very good

instead you stack your team with options to deal with incineroar

[ornate cloak]

Probably is, I'm saying I've personally never seen it on cir

[ornate cloak]

Ight

[jovial creek]

lando I is very common on cir teams

[ornate cloak]

personally

Never denied it wasn't good

[jovial creek]

are you in low elo perchance

[ornate cloak]

Eh used to be 1400 2 weeks ago but then dropped cause team testing

Was 1600 in bo1

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/e191ac77168e175f

Im trying to use korraidon but it feels a bit clunky.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ornate cloak]

This honestly looks p good, but imo use protect over Vswitch on Rbolt (optional)

Ogerpon-W should be Ogerpon-C for redirection and use Whimsicott instead of Rillaboom for tailwind and to set up sun manually in case it gets replaced, and (this is also optional) but you could probably try using Chi-Yu instead of Chien-Pao, Chi-Yu and Flutter Mane pair really well in sun with beads of ruin Dazzling Gleam/heatwaves

Ogerpon-W can't use it's water STAB in sun so you're better off using Heartflame or Cornerstone (ideally Cornerstone because sturdy makes for a better redirector) and Cornerstone ruins Calyrex-Ice pre and post Tera

[pallid saffron]

ty

the only issue i have with chi yu is i struggle to deal withj the calyrex's with it

[ornate cloak]

Nws, btw still make sure to ask the more experienced players for advice since they do have a better understanding of the metagame

[pallid saffron]

ok ty

[ornate cloak]

Choice scarf Chi-Yu in sun pretty much ruins any Calyrex

Tera fire Calyrex-Ice is the only Calyrex variant which Chi-Yu can't beat reliably, but that's why you use Ogerpon-Rock

[pallid saffron]

ah ok ill try it out in some games ty

[ornate cloak]

Nws

And if you're struggling with EV spreads, js check out the smogon strategy Dex

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-g/

[tranquil nova]

Any thoughts on my team? https://pokepast.es/768722e9eb5a1760

[gloomy birch]

if u using gallade add indeed

[foggy spindle]

I’m definitely not an expert at this, but I feel like protect on a flame orb pokemon (ursaluna) might be bad

Because it will take damage while using protect

[random wagon]

these are kinda outdated so i do recommend just taking them as a base to build off of

[ornate cloak]

True

But we don't have any new sets

So yh as you said, we can only use them as base

[ornate cloak]

All the same, you need protect to make sure your flame orb doesn't get knocked off

[ornate cloak]

This honestly doesn't look too bad but I feel like the Gallade and Umbreon could be replaced with Indeedee/Incineroar and smth else

Preferably Amoonguss for spore

You can use Andrew Briceno's team for reference:
https://pokepast.es/69cc22b959e1acf3

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tranquil nova]

Wide guard off gallade has done wonders for me which is why i added it + using it as a tr setter

i was told gallade doesnt see much use out of psyspam with indeedee but replacing umb straight for indeedee doesnt feel good for the team

umb is my favourite pokemon so i always try to run it but i feel like its done very well so far with taunt and yawn and then it puts really good pressure on both calys and it can pressure both physical and special attackers with foul play and snarl

apart from that im impressed with myelf that i made a decent team considering the other guys team you sent who uses stronger/more meta pokemon compared to my niche ones

[ornate cloak]

Lunala can also run Wide Guard

[ornate cloak]

Indeedee is kinda vital as a trickroom setter + redirection is a must for this team so Lunala and Ursaluna can fully utilise their offensive capabilities

[ornate cloak]

Raging Bolt can do smth very similar with Snarl asw

[ornate cloak]

Your team is very good, don't get me wrong, for some anti-meta picks, but if you want to improve it even further, at some point, you'll have to switch over to meta mons, that's unfortunately the harsh reality of restricted format

[tranquil nova]

i see, thanks for your wisdom ill play around with the team a little bit

[tranquil nova]

for this i feel like its hard to run wide guard on this power herb set, more viable in a double restricted format though

[ornate cloak]

I can kinda understand the sentiment of using your favorites but SV restricted just kinda ruins it especially when you reach mid-high ladder

[tranquil nova]

yeah for sure

[ornate cloak]

Lunala can run Wide Guard instead of Moonblast

You don't absolutely need Moonblast

It's a good option with Tera fairy, yes, but you can run Wide Guard over it like mentioned in the uh, sample team

The reason you run Tera grass is that you don't want your own Lunala to get spore'd in trickroom by an opposing Amoonguss

[tranquil nova]

ooo i actually really like that

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[tranquil nova]

didnt look hard enough at the sets tbh but ill try run it

you think im good to just switch gallade straight for indeedee

[ornate cloak]

Besides, +1 Moongiest beam (I probably butchered the spelling) pretty much taps anything, especially with potential helping hand support from Indeedee

[ornate cloak]

Probably, yeah

You can make Umbreon work, it's js that in a meta jam packed with Flutter Mane, Urshifu, Zamazenta-Crowned, Koraidon, tera fairy Calyrex-Shadow, Tera fairy Miraidon, tera fairy Lunala, Umbreon can struggle a fair bit

Cause these are all very common Pokemon, and make up the most standard cores

[tranquil nova]

yeah thats why ive been running poison tera over water, obviously its not ideal to have to commit a tera to umbreon but a lot of the time ive been able to play it fine without

keeping in mind im also nowhere near high ladder in any terms

[ornate cloak]

Fair

I mean if it's working for you, go for it, people're making Galarian Weezing work really well so you can definitely try experimenting

But if you do want an alternative for Umbreon, av Raging Bolt is a good option

[wanton abyss]

Galarian Weezing performed well at Worlds

[tranquil nova]

ig av raging bolt and then the amoongus or incin you were talking about earlier over the umb

[ornate cloak]

Yh people are making unorthodox mons work

[ornate cloak]

Amoonguss is really good in trickroom btw

Because, spore way too good, put everything to sleep and start doing massive damage with Lunala/Ursaluna

[tranquil nova]

yeah i really wish yawn wasnt a turn wait but it does its job nicely

[ornate cloak]

True

[tranquil nova]

ill experiment with just the indeedee switch for now

[ornate cloak]

Ight

[tranquil nova]

cause i love umb like i said

[wanton abyss]

Yawn being a turn wait is very effective imo

nothing is as effective as spore but yknow

[ornate cloak]

Minazuki (Indeedee-F) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 212 HP / 168 Def / 4 SpA / 124 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Follow Me
• Dazzling Gleam
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand

[ornate cloak]

@wanton abyss is this fine for trickroom?

[tranquil nova]

haha here i was about to ask for an indeedee set

the terrain will also be nice for maraidon teams

[ornate cloak]

Ye

Indeedee-F @ Psychic Seed/Rocky Helmet
Level: 50
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Bold Nature

• Follow Me
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Dazzling Gleam

This is also a strong set

It's p much the same, but the EVs are a bit different

[tranquil nova]

yeah i might take the bulky seeds set

[ornate cloak]

Go for it

Although, Rocky helmet redirection can be very good against things like Urshifu-Water

[tranquil nova]

damn i dont even think about these things

[ornate cloak]

Or physical attackers in general, since they usually don't have any means of recovery

[ornate cloak]

Eh, you learn as you play

[tranquil nova]

true true

ok imma run some indeedee in the team later and see how it goes

if anythings funky ill just come back here

[ornate cloak]

Gl

[soft nexus]

no because you need to take a turn to set up trick room and activate flame orb. It activates at the end of the turn

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/11edc9a9b44e2d4c how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shut anvil]

hey coming to this chat to ask some people for team building advice, the two pokemon I really wanna use are gardevoir and sinistea

[dense nebula]

i think this channels for finished teams but you can ask for build advice in #comp-general

[shut anvil]

ty

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/b0aabd5c405b6ee3 no clue if im just playing the team poorly or if its just bad for the current vgc reg g format. kinda 50/50 for wins and losses

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Looks pretty solid but im not sure about sinis and indeedee

Rilla and incin could work

Or follow me over 1 of those

Probably incin since rilla helps into miraidon

[jovial creek]

I don't like tw cir

If you want to go fast then eleki+speed invest works

[dense nebula]

i just needed enough speed to outspeed other tr caly tbh

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[dense nebula]

imprison

[soft nexus]

go adamant over brave

[soft nexus]

first of all this calyrex isn’t offensive enough, it needs high horsepower over imprison

using imprison to block trick room is okay but you can also go for trick room when the opponent does

[ornate cloak]

Amoonguss needs spore over Giga drain and go with 0 spe iv on Amoonguss and cir, Urshifu needs a complete rework imo, Scarf ShifuWater runs coaching on CalyIce teams, and you need u-turn for pivoting, Tornadus isn't accomplishing much here, could try smth like Farigiraf/Indeedee if you're going hard trickroom which is what this is kinda looking like, Calyrex needs more atk as commie kid said

Calyrex-Ice @ Clear Amulet
Level: 50
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 36 Spe
IVs: 0 Spe
Tera Type: Fire
Adamant Nature

• Glacial Lance
• High Horsepower
• Trick Room
• Protect

Incineroar seems more or less fine, but change its Tera to tera ghost and re-EV it a bit

Incineroar @ Safety Goggles
Level: 50
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Tera Type: Ghost
Impish Nature

• Helping Hand
• Fake Out
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

[dense nebula]

Why coaching on a scarf mon

[ornate cloak]

Coaching boosts your own Calyrex's atk and defense

So you're not heavily reliant on Chilling Neigh

https://pokepast.es/8ccdaafc9378f0cd

Use this top 8 worlds team as reference

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 116 SpD / 188 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Detect
• Close Combat
• Surging Strikes
• Aqua Jet

If you don't want to use scarfed ShifuWater, use this

This is also a world's set

[icy meteor]

So I am a young Pokémon VGC player, and I don’t have the experience to know what my team could be weak to. I also don’t really know how to look out for weaknesses, so I would like to possibly get some tips on how to do so, if that’s okay. However for now, this is my team, it’s a trick room Caly Ice team. https://pokepast.es/4958bde1c5fd8d11

this team is very young but ik that this is the base of what I want to use. So yeah there is probably a load of obvious weaknesses that I don’t see

oh btw I’m in the senior devision

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ornate cloak]

This is honestly a p good team, but you should replace Bloodmoon with Landorus-I, and try slotting in coaching on Urshifu over aqua jet and maybe use choice scarf on it so you have non-tr options asw, and if you choose to run scarf, use u-turn over detect, but yh, this looks really nice

[icy meteor]

Sounds good, I’m also assuming I should not use coaching if I go for scarf? Or is that not the case? But anyway thanks for the help

[oblique fractal]

Why coaching?

[icy meteor]

It would be to boost Caly

[oblique fractal]

Ooh, my bad

[icy meteor]

Nah you’re good

[soft nexus]

pretty good team for a beginner, but a few things

1. Urshifu should have coaching to boost calyrex ice and help it survive knock offs from incin
2. Rillaboom is okay here, but this team could use some redirection like ogerpon cornerstone which fills the role of a redirector and is also part grass type so your fire-water-grass core won’t be distrupted

And as aforementioned, lando I is better than bloodmoon here

[tribal void]

it is better to run lando I but thats only if you're not running hard tr

coaching is not neccesary if you feel like you need the priority from jet

but is an option if you don't feel like its neccesary\

to have jet's priority

[jovial creek]

and help it survive knock offs is funny as fuck

cir eats that

[jovial creek]

go scarf lando I for miraidon

if you struggle to get tr up then make farig a redirector

[jovial creek]

rillaboom really helps into miraidon

[icy meteor]

@jovial creek @tribal void @soft nexus @oblique fractal & @ornate cloak
Thank you all for the help. I will take your advice into consideration and tag u when I make the updated team

[tribal void]

cir just eats knock regularly though which is even funnier

[jovial creek]

exactly

[icy meteor]

||@jovial creek @tribal void @soft nexus @oblique fractal & @ornate cloak||
okay, ive updated the team with the recommendations, and theres just some things I’d like to point out.

Firstly, you might notice that urshifu is MINIMUM speed, and Caly has some speed. This is so urshifu is faster than Caly in trick room, and can get out coaching b4 Caly attacks in tr. I understand all the liability’s of this outside of trick room, and if i get a bleak wind storm speed drop, it’s kinda screwed, so I’m not sure about that. I also don’t know what to put in urshifu’s other stats. I just need to think of what it needs to survive tho, and I’ll figure it out. Maybe I can train it to survive +1 tera star storm from teraed Terapagos, cause I don’t know how much I have for those calm mind pagos teams. With more bulk, i might as well remove sash, so I replaced it with mystic water. I thought of the punching gloves, so I don’t take damage from rocky helmet mons, in particular amoonguss & torn, but I figured it was too niche and to just use mystic water.

And secondly, lando. I’ve used this exact set b4, but idk, it felt just odd. Maybe it was the substitute, so I could possibly change it to sandsear storm or maybe calm mind? What are your thoughts on this?

https://pokepast.es/17f208e9e0ef4763
btw, thank u so much for the help, I really appreciate it

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/6ce267e23183b079

just run this

[icy meteor]

Umm

[ornate cloak]

Actually wanted to know smth, Urshifu-Water can be more bulky if the primary goal is coaching support, yeah?

[jovial creek]

runing coaching shifu

means you don't have normal shifu

and thats losing out

if you want to boost calyrex's damage then use smeargle

[icy meteor]

I think life orb is the general consensus to be better on lando I

[jovial creek]

not on that

scarf lets you beat miraidon out of tr

[ornate cloak]

This is the shifu set I'm using rn on a Zamazenta team

Kaien (Urshifu-Rapid-Strike) (M) @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 68 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 180 SpD / 100 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Surging Strikes
• Close Combat
• Coaching
• Detect

Got this from some help in the VGC server

[oblique fractal]

I would probably say Substitute could be dropped for taunt if you have trouble with amoongus

[jovial creek]

cir shouldn't struggle with amoonguss

if you position well

[icy meteor]

I already have rilla for that

[jovial creek]

they do different things

sometimes you don't want to set tr

[icy meteor]

Ooo I like that. On lando right?

[jovial creek]

because of hands

or farig

and lando abuses that

it also threatens hands which kinda walls cir

[ornate cloak]

Rillaboom does not beat Miraidon, it makes Miraidon's life harder, but it doesn't guarantee a safe matchup

[jovial creek]

rillaboom means you don't get sent to heaven by electro drift

[ornate cloak]

Not to mention Miraidon would pair with either Chi-Yu or Ogerpon-Heartflame

Which give Rillaboom a really hard time themselves

[icy meteor]

The rilla i use can survive helping hand specs Draco out of elec terrain btw, just in case that’s important

[jovial creek]

so

[ornate cloak]

That's not the issue, Rillaboom itself really can't hurt Miraidon unless that Miraidon has already tera fairy'd

Or tera electric'd

[icy meteor]

Hmm

[ornate cloak]

Terrain replacement just makes it so that Miraidon doesn't nuke your entire team with specs Electro Drift

Not to mention, Miraidon teams almost ALWAYS run Farigiraf so two of Rillaboom's moves are kinda useless

And (I haven't run calcs on this so maybe I could be wrong) I don't think Rillaboom would survive a helping hand Specs Draco Meteor

[ornate cloak]

@jovial creek does av Rilla survive this?

[jovial creek]

It does with invest

And in Grassy

[icy meteor]

Yay

[ornate cloak]

252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Helping Hand Draco Meteor vs. 148 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 184-217 (94.8 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Helping Hand Draco Meteor vs. 148 HP / 172 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 201-237 (103.6 - 122.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tbf I'm not running +SpD

So the calcs may vary

[icy meteor]

Hmm

Okay okay

[ornate cloak]

COOKED

[icy meteor]

[ornate cloak]

Myb

[icy meteor]

Aight aight

[ornate cloak]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Helping Hand Draco Meteor vs. 244 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 190-225 (92.2 - 109.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

So this prolly will KO after chip

[icy meteor]

Umm

[ornate cloak]

252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Helping Hand Draco Meteor vs. 244 HP / 220 SpD Assault Vest Rillaboom: 174-205 (84.4 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

Yup even timid Miraidon would ko after chip

[icy meteor]

I’ll just pray to not match Miridon teams

[ornate cloak]

You need scarf Landorus-I

[icy meteor]

WHAT ABOUT RAWR INTIMIDATE

LANDO

[jovial creek]

It was in wolfe's video somewhere

[ornate cloak]

Considering the fact that it won worlds, highly unlikely you won't run into Miraidon frequently

[icy meteor]

Okay okay, I’ll work in that, what about min speed urshifu?

[ornate cloak]

Not it

[icy meteor]

Yeah I shoulda thought of that

[ornate cloak]

Try using this

It'll give you a good idea of how you want to play Cir

[jovial creek]

244/220

On rilla

[soft nexus]

im back

anything change

[icy meteor]

Yeah

A lil

[soft nexus]

but doesn’t lando like counter miraidon

[ornate cloak]

It's not surviving bro 😭

Helping hand drop a draco KOs after chip

[soft nexus]

scarf:

[ornate cloak]

Myb I was talking abt Rillaboom

Should've specified

[icy meteor]

“Drop a Draco on yo head”

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[icy meteor]

Wait u did the nature right?

[jovial creek]

It forces whims

[soft nexus]

or indeedee f

[icy meteor]

I have an idea

[ornate cloak]

Ye both timid and modest

[jovial creek]

Ok it's a roll

Idk what wolfe was on then

[icy meteor]

Yeah fr

[ornate cloak]

I mean

Does Miraidon always invest 252 SpA

[icy meteor]

OKAY

[icy meteor]

ye

[ornate cloak]

I've seen non-252 spe variants

But ye Rillaboom does not survive

[icy meteor]

Wait wait wait, the think I think ur forgetting is TR

[soft nexus]

indeedee f may be interesting here

[ornate cloak]

Also I didn't even factor in potential beads of ruin

[soft nexus]

over rillaboom and farigiraf

[icy meteor]

I can use that even if am not using Caly

[ornate cloak]

Farigiraf can reverse tr

If you're not careful

[icy meteor]

Then it can’t go for helping hand

[ornate cloak]

Erm sir

It's not gonna helping hand IN tr

[icy meteor]

Also taunt

I can change helping hand on incin

For taunt

And/or I have it on life orb lando I

[ornate cloak]

Not too optimal

You want fake out, parting, knock, and either wow/hhand/fblitz

[ornate cloak]

Scarf >>> otherwise you get worked by Miraidon/Chi-Yu/Ogerpain

[jovial creek]

244+ won worlds

[proven valley]

Anyone got a Ursluna blood moon team ?

[ornate cloak]

Does the helping hand calc change at all tho?

[ornate cloak]

#comp-general for this sort of stuff prolly

[icy meteor]

Oh fr? Damn btw who tf won I didn’t ever find out cause I wanted to not be spoiled until I watched the wolfey vid and he didn’t say who did

[jovial creek]

It's not very good

[proven valley]

Really ?

Im really new

[icy meteor]

I mean I have teams w it in but it’s reg G, it’s not really the centre of the team

[proven valley]

Ok

Can I see

[icy meteor]

Yeah it really is

[proven valley]

Then what Pokemon are good ?

[icy meteor]

I would ask #comp-general but objectively the best Pokémon is Incineroar

[proven valley]

Ok

[ornate cloak]

He's him

[proven valley]

Is there a simple team u got I can copy ?

[icy meteor]

Frls

[icy meteor]

You can check on Pokepast to see the teams for the most recents worlds and see what suits ur preferences

[proven valley]

Ok

[ornate cloak]

https://discord.gg/sFUFbp75

Join this and try asking here for VGC sample teams iyw

[jovial creek]

Yeah it was better in past formats

[icy meteor]

Oh btw I think this is what I’m gonna use, and if u struggle against Miridon teams, I’ll switch to scarf lando, also I’ll save my Miridon matchup games to analyse myself

https://pokepast.es/47e689574ce3aa4d

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

If you say so

[icy meteor]

Aight I did a game against a Miridon team

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2284204825-0k7v7i8bmx2nzhae5jur5uo75pwnn6tpw

It’s not standard

But I reckon it was an unburden electric seed sceptile

Something of note

Maybe I do need do need scarf lol

So I’ll put that on

[jovial creek]

Go bo3 ladder

[icy meteor]

And also I think I want urshifu to be better in tr, so I’ll (for now) use cybertron’s set, which he used in a team that SWEEPED ME in one of his videos using a Caly ice team

[icy meteor]

Yeah I probably should

[icy meteor]

It was like 6am tho so yeah, I wasn’t playing to the best of my abilities

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/774751c5dc2c4500

[pallid saffron]

https://pokepast.es/d2448e8b3448ddfa

Been running this korraidon team and it feels nice but I was wondering if i should run taunt incin over wake

I also have trouble with tera fairy miraidon teams and tera fire calyrex ice teams

[humble lichen]

huh Flame Charge on a base 135 speed

icy wind on specs?

scarf snarl on chi-yu? (oh god the scarf archaludon nightmares)

[pallid saffron]

their pretty niche moves but they get use a decent amount of times

[icy meteor]

I would help u, however, I don’t know how to lol, tho something I did notice is that half of ur Pokémon can’t protect, and, unless the items of either, 1, let u out speed a critical threat to ur team, 2, let u OHKO a critical threat your ur team, or 3, let it survive a hit from a critical threat to ur team, and OHKO them in return

[humble lichen]

oh yeah only 2 protects

in koraidon and wake

[pallid saffron]

yeah i might wanna do something about that lol

[icy meteor]

*3 spiky shield

From ogerpon

[humble lichen]

oh yeah that too (look at what they took from our Kalosian starter)

[icy meteor]

Oh, Chesnaught? lol

Btw

I also need help

AHHH

LOOK

https://pokepast.es/95801af7c7eb46bc

WHY DOES VALIANT GET SO MANY OPTIONS

[humble lichen]

oh god only 1 protect

[icy meteor]

2 but yeah I’ll change that

[humble lichen]

you can run a special set, a physical set, utility...

[icy meteor]

NO

THERE IS

TR

REFECT

LIGHT SCREEN

[humble lichen]

DUAL SCREENS

[icy meteor]

ENCORE

DISABLE

HYPNOSIS

TAUNT

[humble lichen]

it is just like the cat

[icy meteor]

WIDE GUARD

[pallid saffron]

Wide gaurd is nice

[humble lichen]

you can run it anyway you'd like

[icy meteor]

QUICK GUARD

[humble lichen]

and it'll probably do good

[icy meteor]

YEAH BUT WHATS THE MOST VALUABLE

[humble lichen]

COACHING LIKE THAT ONE TIME MARCOS DID IT

WITH A BLAZIKEN

[icy meteor]

Moxie?

Boosted?

[humble lichen]

yes him

[icy meteor]

[pallid saffron]

also id trade moonblast for spirit break. Less damage but the utility is nice

[humble lichen]

also whats with the highly specific landorus EVs

[icy meteor]

I thought that but I have a lot of physical attackers and intimidate

[pallid saffron]

ah fair

[icy meteor]

Idk it’s just the base set it’s not final

And scarf to outspeed Miridon and OHKO it

Oh btw

Valiant gets knock off too

[jovial creek]

you could go whims over ape

[icy meteor]

And icy wind

[jovial creek]

if you want a cir lando valiant team

[icy meteor]

And helping hand

[pallid saffron]

ape?

[jovial creek]

https://pokepast.es/f272226336f5b13e

got second at worlds

[jovial creek]

I'm stupid

[icy meteor]

And trick

[jovial creek]

meant wake

LOL

[icy meteor]

And feint

[pallid saffron]

oh lol

[icy meteor]

And imprison

😭🙏

[jovial creek]

it doesn't even use half of those

[icy meteor]

Yeah but it can

Cts GOD

Oh

And t wave

[jovial creek]

thats why it cooks in draft

but can we not spam here please

[icy meteor]

Yeah sure

One more tho

It also gets skill swap

Even tho it doesn’t work 😭

It gets literally EVERYTHING

a Swiss Army knife

[pallid saffron]

Would this set be good?

[jovial creek]

just go max spa max speed

on sash

252/252

[pallid saffron]

ok

[jovial creek]

timid

[pallid saffron]

also would taunt be good over encore to mess with opposing tornadus?

and also deal with trick room users

[icy meteor]

I would say that ghost Tera would be better cause of fake out immunity

[jovial creek]

its preference

[pallid saffron]

Ig but dark can give prankster immunity

[jovial creek]

nah encore does the same

and punishes protects

[pallid saffron]

true

i mainly want it to disable rain dance tornadus sets

[icy meteor]

Unless u have a problem w prankster taunt (specifically torn) then you’re more likely to get faked out, tho covet cloak is more common and same w ghost Tera so it can be better if it’s in a cts

(Closed team sheet)

[jovial creek]

good news is

cts sucks

don't play it

[pallid saffron]

yep ots bo3 all the way

[icy meteor]

🗣️🔥🔥

[pallid saffron]

feels less cheesy and helps you actually learn to play

[jovial creek]

and is more tournament relevant

[icy meteor]

And if u wanna play in regionals eventually, u should play OTS bo3 cause that’s what the highest form of vgc uses, obviously

[icy meteor]

Exactly

[jovial creek]

why did you bold highest

[icy meteor]

Oh

Cause

It’s the pinnacle of VGC

Well

Tournaments in general

Btw I decided to use wide guard & encore, I feel like I don’t need quick guard to block fake out, I can just encore it next turn, and I feel that with experience, I can manoeuvre my way around it

And wide guard shut down a lot of Pokémon

[soft nexus]

or yk you can just

do vgc on the switch but gl with ev training

[ornate cloak]

There are unconventional and efficient ways of team building on the switch

[proven valley]

What’s the idea of the team what’s the gimmick

[jovial creek]

miraidon does a LOT of damage

the team supports it (by doing more damage)

[proven valley]

Ok

[proven valley]

Who do I ussaly lead

[jovial creek]

miraidon and a friend most of the time

try reading this

[proven valley]

Ok

[jovial creek]

https://victoryroad.pro/2024/09/22/luca-ceribelli-worlds-report/

[proven valley]

Why is there trickroom

[jovial creek]

did you read the team report

[proven valley]

Not yet

I just got into it

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/0f2d1ecef454234d

Zamazenta team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal void]

i think its better for icicle crash to not get rid of your own grassy terrain

[ornate cloak]

My rng is garbanzo

P much why I js avoid icicle crash on Chien-Pao

[tribal void]

i prefer keeping the recovery from grassy terrain imo

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[tribal void]

terrain also boosts wood hammer

so

you're also kind of weakening your own rilla if you bring both and click spinner

[ornate cloak]

But like, is the terrain worth Chien-Pao potentially missing a crucial icicle crash which then leads to me losing

[tribal void]

is it worth losing priority if your forced to make a decision?

[ornate cloak]

Most of the time, I only bring one of the two

[tribal void]

eh ig its up to preference

in that case

[ornate cloak]

Fair

[tribal void]

if i kept spinner

i would slot aqua jet onto urshi

[ornate cloak]

Other than that, wba the rest of the team

[tribal void]

but thats me

coaching is ig fine

[ornate cloak]

Coaching is hella underrated on Zamazenta teams

[random wagon]

another reason to use icicle crash is to not take helm chip from amoon or incin switch in

[ornate cloak]

Ight I switched to icicle crash, thoughts on everything else?

[jovial creek]

What is ditto for

[ornate cloak]

Niche pick, helps out a fair bit against csr if I'm able to position it correctly

Also, copying any restricted is a game changer

[nimble hound]

Hello! I'm currently preparing for my first ever competitive tournament and I decided to try to make a team. Main strategy is Eternatus as the main special attacker, partnered with pokemon that can resist its spread sludge wave, with phys attackers to deal with weaknesses. Amoonguss and Raichu are supposed to form a fake-out/regenerator core, klefki supports to allow trick room or, if trick room is not the optimal play, allow eternatus to strike back at opposing fairy or dragon types.

This team is REALLY weird, I think it can work, but I'm not super knowledgable about specific ev spreads. SO any suggestions would be helpfull.
https://pokepast.es/db78dcfa14156209

As an aside, I did leaf storm on amoongus instead of pollen puff or sludge bomb because I already have a lot of poison coverage, and bug coverage isn’t really what I’d need on my team.
I’d rather grass coverage, and if I’m gonna switch out amoongus sometimes for regenerator value, the stat drops don’t super matter

[untold relic]

Close Combat > Drain Punch on shifu

tera water over fighting

uturn over ice spinner

defensive tera on amoonguss (this team would prolly like rilla more tbh)

pollen puff > leaf storm

clam defiant on kingambit 💀

(change to black glasses)

eternatus life orb or just 4 attacks specs

can probs drop raichu for incin

[nimble hound]

I didn’t do Incin cuz I already have answers for steel types and I wanted something for Miraidon + not another fairy weakness. + endeavour can soften up bulky mons.
However if physical damage a potential issue, I can put reflect on Klefki

I don’t want to have too many fighting type weaknesses either

I’m also hesitant to do choice items on Pokémon with very common immunities (Urshifu being the exception cuz of how broken unseen fist is)
Eternatus has two common types resisting.

I’ll make changes and then start testing

Actually I’ll also switch endeavour to protect too

[west glacier]

You shouldnt build a team based around resisting a spread move. Rather pass up on the spread move and build a team that supports eternatus in his bad MUs

[west glacier]

Incin isnt a steel answer this reg. A lot of people play him as a support and answer to both Calys with Knock Off as the only attacking move

Steel really isnt even used tbh.

U just need to figure out Mus into the dogs and u are good.

@nimble hound scarf shifu wants max speed Adamant to outspeed all Restricted by 1 point 223 with it

@nimble hound nuzzle over surf BUT it interferes with Amogus...maybe swap either one out for Incin or Rilla

AV on raichu is also ass. U need sash bro doesnt live shit

Aka it lives max one hit anyway so just give it sash

[nimble hound]

When I was doing tests against a Miraidon team, Raichu actually lived a lot of hits

3 dazzling gleams

Which is kinda wacky

[silent fox]

This is a team that might not be super good but it is really fun, anyone wanna rate it? https://pokepast.es/82d96ef782ea28f5

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @wanton abyss, @jovial creek, @sonic apex. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[soft nexus]

for starters

urshifu rapid is better than azumarill

next choice specs protect just hurts to see

and also kyogre doesn’t like a choice item because it wants to get off origin pulses and boost them

[silent fox]

@soft nexus Makes sense

[soft nexus]

but I see why it’s fun, off meta picks are creative and catch opponents off guard, but at 1400+ ELO most players will be skilled enough to counter these types of teams

[silent fox]

oh yea

[soft nexus]

tornadus over articuno galar is also something to consider

[silent fox]

I'll try and consider that

[soft nexus]

AV raging bolt as well, this team may be cooked against calyrex shadow

That’s if foul play gets the KO

Wait let me calc that

252 SpA Choice Specs Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 252 HP / 188+ SpD Sableye: 138-163 (87.8 - 103.8%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

if you don’t wanna gamble go 252+ spdef

@silent fox

[silent fox]

gotcha

[soft nexus]

ape is cooked unless if you wanna Tera normal which is a bad idea considering most calyrex shadows are paired with urshifu rapid

Another thing that may be crucial here is a redirector

[silent fox]

so would tera water be a better pick or something else?

[soft nexus]

hmm…the problem is is that dark which is the only type that resists ghost is weak to fighting