So a speed control heavy team
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In the interest of not cluttering this chat, please move this to comp general
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I can get the stats nature's etc of the mons if it matters
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https://pokepast.es/4fc436cde137d6c5
How's this team
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https://pokepast.es/4fc436cde137d6c5
How's this team
very gimmicky tbh, the simple beam strat is just really gimmicky and requires 2-3 turns, you don’t even have nasty plot on calyrex nor any setup move
And calyrex might die in those 2 turns
Latios is also weird here
Torn is a better option
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https://pokepast.es/92d4a84dcc6e2de5
How's this team
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This team hella loses to caly ice
I mean you do have Ho oh
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https://pokepast.es/92d4a84dcc6e2de5
How's this team
Scarf coaching? U sure about that?
solid team overall though
ting-Lu doesn’t need heavy slam because zamazenta
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Should I give it rock slide
Rock slide won’t do a lot of damage
Zen headbutt may miss
I’d say throat chop
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I mean you do have Ho oh
Specifically once tr is set up or if it tera fires cuz I have like 0 answers
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Specifically once tr is set up or if it tera fires cuz I have like 0 answers
Incineroar
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Over who tho
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Ho oh doesn’t contribute much to your team
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But ig in that mu it’s only for after tera fire so I can try it
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Hearthflame ogre can replace Ho oh
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Ho-oh checks zacian, zama, koraidon
And caly ice before tera
It’s just the tera after that’s the problem
Maybe I swap whim for like sableye with leer
Then I could sash it or run screens
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Ho-oh checks zacian, zama, koraidon
Firepon does too
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Ok but the point isn’t to get rid of the restricted
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Except zamazenta but Ivy cudgel has a higher chance to crit
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But I also burn and with recover I don’t take any dmg
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If you’re scared of ice rider calyrex and don’t wanna use pelipper torkoal is your only option. If they Tera you have ting-Lu
Also you realize that iron valiant can learn wide guard
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That’s also true I’ve been running that but I think protect is a little more valuable
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I mean you could go it over disable as well
Or the ultimate evil strategy encore + disable
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Nah disable is just cuz every restricted has one button they wanna press
I can make miraidon struggle off rip
Which gives me so much momentum
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They can switch out yk
You’re gonna have to low key do some major stuff to your team if you wanna beat calyrex ice
If you don’t wanna run wide guard valiant a lot of stuffs gonna have to change
Cornerstone ogre has sturdy and as such can survive calyrex’s glacial lance and can do massive damage to it Tera fire or not
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Yeah but it’s a free switch
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I’m just throwing options here to beat calyrex ice
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I like ogerpon Corner a lot actually
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Terastalized ting Lu can also threaten damage onto calyrex ice even if they have Tera fire
Tera ground Tera blast Chi-yu is another option but watch out for the high horsepowers
If not Tera
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Terastalized ting Lu can also threaten damage onto calyrex ice even if they have...
The problem is that stomping tantrum is okay in terms of damage and you can’t go equake because of rilla
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I can never go equake anyway
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https://pokepast.es/11c58d7dd70100a3
Cir trickroom balance
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Cir trickroom balance
You could put tr on your comfey? Usually you also want ways to set up with it since it can give you a lot more longevity
It could work really well with like sd calyrex and cm raging bolt potentially
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It could work really well with like sd calyrex and cm raging bolt potentially
I tested Raging Bolt, imo SpA booster works a bit better for me
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You could put tr on your comfey? Usually you also want ways to set up with it si...
I could probably try this but Comfey is way too frail to set up trickroom
I'd have to lead Incineroar Confey
Fake out
Trickroom (might have to commit Tera depending on the situation which already leaves Calyrex open to burn)
Then parting shot out into Calyrex while protecting Comfey
Then sd
Assuming this is how it goes, I only get two turns to attack with cir
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I tested Raging Bolt, imo SpA booster works a bit better for me
You can do both
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I'd have to lead Incineroar Confey
Fake out
Trickroom (might have to commit Ter...
But having more than 1 option means you can set it up easier
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Ye but Comfey is way too frail to set up trickroom
And I have to give up trickroom turns to switch in Calyrex
Not to mention I have to commit Tera on Comfey to safely set up tr and not js die
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https://pokepast.es/ec198d4a54165972 second reg g team
I'm not gonna pretend i know what archetype this is lmao
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https://pokepast.es/ec198d4a54165972 second reg g team
I'm not gonna pretend i k...
It's cir tr + balance
Gholdengo doesn't fit on this team icl
You're getting another fire weakness especially when Gholdengo doesn't contribute towards anything in this team
Prolly replace Gholdengo w Incineroar
And if you're using cm Raging Bolt, use lefties instead of booster for longevity
I'll js list all the improvements that can potentially make this team better:
Calyrex-Ice:
High Horsepower instead of Close Combat
re-EV it and go with a Brave nature
Urshifu: Seems fine, maybe try investing a little in bulk
Rillaboom: Re-ev it entirely, it doesn't need near max attack, it's here for fake out support
Raging Bolt: Replace booster energy with lefties
Farigiraf: Go Tera fairy and replace Tera blast with smth else
Replace Gholdengo with safety goggles Incineroar
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Is this an attempt at a 2-2-2 team?
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Yes
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Am I bugging or are the messages being deleted
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You're bugging 💯
Anyway, I'd suggest swapping Gholdengo's and Gapdos' items
Gapdos wants scarf
And go with a bulkier Gholdengo with electric seed and nasty plot, mir, sball, protect/recover
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I normally start with Miraidon and Gholdengo, Volt switch Miraidon with Iron Bundle, use trick on Gholdengo to lock the enemy to one move so if they try using a status or hazard early they're stuck
Armarouge and Deoxys are the pokémon I normally use last
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Just because he's fast and he can get psychic terrain for Armarouge
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Instead of deoxys?
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You could even go with a slow Armarouge
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Instead of deoxys?
Yh
You can go with a slower Armarouge and Indeedee which gives you a trickroom mode as well
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Hm
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It's better to have a trickroom mode in 2-2-2 teams just to be safe against unfavourable tailwind/icy wind mirror matchups
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Also, instead of Armarouge, you could also try magic bounce Hatterene and you still get an immunity against stats/taunt
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Do I have any other options besides Indeedee
For psychc surge, nope
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K
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Also, tailwind teams can really hinder Deoxys
It's not consistent with psychic surge and it's really weak to common threats like CalyShadow, Chien-Pao, speed booster Flutter Mane, speed booster Roaring Moon and Iron Jugulis (those two have been seeing some usage as tailwind setters) or you could just get taunted by something like Tornadus, Whimsicott or Grimmsnarl
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I mean
If you can play the right way, then yeah
But the issue is, you're using relatively weak mons from a regulation G pov
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What does your team look like?
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Ion have a Miraidon team
I could show you some of my Calyrex and Koraidon teams tho, if you want for references since they do occasionally use common mons
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Sure
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Calyrex-Ice:
https://pokepast.es/f81a55455bb7c341
Calyrex Shadow:
https://pokepast.es/67c19e13cc7723cf
Koraidon:
https://pokepast.es/f5877390eafcecb3
Zacian-Crowned:
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Ima fan of that last team
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I'm new to the comp side of pokemon but doesn't using meta pokemon make it predictable
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I'm new to the comp side of pokemon but doesn't using meta pokemon make it predi...
You can use meta mons with unpredictable sets
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Fairs
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For instance, in my Calyrex-Shadow team I'm using psychc seed with Tera water, whereas most people use Tera fairy draining kiss with Covert Cloak/Life Orb
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If you was to use this team as a base what would you change?
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If you was to use this team as a base what would you change?
Go with bulky Gholdengo
Go with choice scarf Gapdos
Replace Armarouge and Deoxys with Indeedee and Hatterene
And, (this is optional) but you could try Tera Fairy on Miraidon with Dazzling Gleam instead of Discharge if you don't feel like damaging your own mons in the process
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Gotcha
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Go with bulky Gholdengo
Go with choice scarf Gapdos
Replace Armarouge and Deox...
You dont by any chance have an example of a bulky Gholdengo do you?
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You dont by any chance have an example of a bulky Gholdengo do you?
I probably do
Lemme find it
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Appreciate it
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Gholdengo @ Electric Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 132 SpA / 12 SpD / 108 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ground/Water/Normal
Modest Nature
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Protect
If you're using dazzling gleam, go with Twater/Tnormal
And if you're using Discharge, go ground
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If you're using dazzling gleam, go with Twater/Tnormal
For Miraidon yeah?
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Yh
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Alr appreciate it ty 🙏
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You could also try Tera blast instead of shadow ball although that's entirely optional
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I'll probably js use shadow ball
I thought the use of trick with choice scarf was a good strategy to limit the opponent
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Alr appreciate it ty 🙏
Nws although still get your team checked out by other players and the competitive helpers since they're better players and have more experience
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Nws although still get your team checked out by other players and the competitiv...
Will do 👍
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I thought the use of trick with choice scarf was a good strategy to limit the op...
It's js too difficult to pull off + tr cores always need protect on both the tr setter and the tr sweeper
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k
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https://pokepast.es/302bebaa92191eed i need something for calyrex ghost
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Try using Speed booster Flutter Mane
Also, -4 SpA on Farig and give it to speed, otherwise ur wasting EVs
And try using lorb Lando and maybe choice scarf Chi-Yu
That way you can potentially force a Tera water/Tera fairy and plan accordingly
Replace Pelipper and Landorus for Chi Yu/Incineroar and speed booster and Flutter Mane
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https://pokepast.es/302bebaa92191eed i need something for calyrex ghost
Only applies to sash adamant urshifu 252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Helping Hand Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Calyrex-Shadow on a critical hit: 192-228 (109.7 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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Only applies to sash adamant urshifu 252+ Atk Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Helping Hand ...
Adamant Shifu gets fodderised tho
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wdym fodderised
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Sash
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Even then
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That’s where the sash comes in
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Csr usually pairs with Rilla and Incineroar
Which can break sash with relative ease, not to mention, if it goes Tera water you're pretty much cooked
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Both rilla and incin can’t outspeed urshifu
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Fake out/Grassy Glide
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Yes they have priority but farigiraf halts that
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I mean
Still not too consistent tho
Csr archetypes usually run their own Shifu asw (most of the time scarfed)
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Unless if clefairy is next to calyrex though, then you’re 100% cooked
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Unless if clefairy is next to calyrex though, then you’re 100% cooked
I mean you're cooked with any form of redirection, I've seen Amoonguss pair with csr asw
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If it's Rocky helmet Amoonguss, you're beyond cooked
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Speed control from peli
On a Miraidon team?
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No the wide guard
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Whimsicott kinda better on Miraidon teams tho
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Flutter and scarfed Chi Yu provide very good speed control and actually force the Tera on Csr or just straight up beat it
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He could also go hands over urshifu
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It gets a boost from electric terrain
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Yh either clam or av
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But im unsure if it survives astral barrage or not
With AV it does
But here's the thing
If it's a psyspam variant
Then it's cooked
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Hands can strike back in TR or redirection
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Also AV hands can be intimidated
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Hands can strike back in TR or redirection
Speaking of tr, he could go Bloodmoon instead of Lando
That can kinda beat csr in trickroom
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Calyrex ice is a bigger problem imo
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They sometimes have enough EV investment to survive discharge
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They sometimes have enough EV investment to survive discharge
Or run tgrass
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Can it KO with Dazzling Gleam
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Don’t think so but there’s really nothing that can ohko calyrex ice on this team
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And walls koraidon
Tfire Flare Blitz
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Tfire Flare Blitz
He has lando
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Mane can only icy wind which doesn’t ohko, and whims has fake tears
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i don’t what to do at this point y’all saying to many things 😭
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Specs Flutter kinda ruins scarf Lando
Uncommon
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Mane can only icy wind which doesn’t ohko, and whims has fake tears
Koraidon teams run specs speed booster
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Koraidon teams run specs speed booster
Specs mane doesn’t have icy wind usually
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i don’t what to do at this point y’all saying to many things 😭
TLDR, ice rider is a bigger threat and AV hands could be used over urshifu
if calyrex shadow is bad
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i hate that horse
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https://pokepast.es/f5877390eafcecb3
Koraidon sun
This is how Koraidon teams usually look like
Also, their Miraidon team kinda loses to Zacian-Crowned asw
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This is how Koraidon teams usually look like
Scarf lando + fake tears whims. Also Sun won’t boost speed
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Lando is the only answer
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Scarf lando + fake tears whims. Also Sun won’t boost speed
The Flutter set I provided boosts speed
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252 evs in sp atk
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Timid
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Tailwind and fake tears from whims
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It's not even lorb"d Lando
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And also he could run light screen
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And also he could run light screen
It's either twind or screen
Also, let's say he sets up twind, the Whimsicott dies to flame charge
Lando can never pick up a KO without being punished
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It's either twind or screen
Worlds had both iirc
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Worlds had both iirc
No, as in you can't safely set up both
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also this team has pelipper
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No, as in you can't safely set up both
sash whims?
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Which should ideally be replaced
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sash whims?
Covert Cloak>>
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y tho
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Fake out immunity
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Fake out isn’t a problem because farigiraf
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You are never keeping both Farig and Whimsicott on the field at the same time
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Give up way too much momentum
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Also that Sun team you posted doesn’t even have a fake out mon
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Ye
You're right
Because I chose an HO approach
But Koraidon teams more often than not, have Incineroar
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That means they have 3 fire types on the same team
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Koraidon doesn't always need to Tera
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This team needs some form of redirection
Incin over Chi-Yu
Ogerpon-C for redirection
Also, some sun variants run Walking Wake asw
You're never running both Chi-Yu and Incineroar on the same team
It's either more damage output or support
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Again pelipper walls but should be replaced, smth like torn could be good
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Specs mane doesn’t have icy wind usually
Oh yeah I forgot to address this, uh, Icy Wind is kinda the most common 4th move on specs Flutter.
Here's the smogon set for your reference:
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Level: 50
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Def / 108 SpA / 4 SpD / 140 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
Timid Nature
- Shadow Ball
- Moonblast
- Dazzling Gleam
- Icy Wind
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Again pelipper walls but should be replaced, smth like torn could be good
You never want flying types on a Miraidon team tho
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You never want flying types on a Miraidon team tho
Then there’s straight up no answers to Sun
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Ye
Nor Zacian-Crowned for that matter because Zacian-Crowned archetypes can also run speed booster Flutter, and they almost always run Indeedee
Unless he goes Tera fairy Miraidon, this team just hard loses to Zacian-Crowned Regidrago archetypes
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Nor Zacian-Crowned for that matter because Zacian-Crowned archetypes can also ru...
I mean lando exists
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I mean lando exists
Again, unoptimal over Bloodmoon on Miraidon
And Scarfed Lando is just not it
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The problem with removing pelipper is that sandsear storm isn’t 100% accurate
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Lando needs protect/substitute and most importantly, life orb
Lando w/o lorb isn't even doing a lot of damage
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Trick room on farigiraf if bloodmoon is added
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The problem with removing pelipper is that sandsear storm isn’t 100% accurate
I mean, why not just remove Lando from this team, it doesn't particularly contribute to anything
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Trick room on farigiraf if bloodmoon is added
Yh
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But bloodmoon just dies to collision course
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That's why Rajan Bal's Miraidon team is the best one of its kind, it's because it has tr + has an answer (even if it's not consistent) to pretty much every common archetype
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But bloodmoon just dies to collision course
Could go Tera ghost on Bloodmoon to play around that, it's somewhat uncommon but if your entire team gets ruined by Koraidon then you don't really have a choice
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Could go Tera ghost on Bloodmoon to play around that, it's somewhat uncommon but...
Then it becomes a Tera hog
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That's what I'm saying tho
Miraidon just doesn't have consistent answers into Koraidon
If you go Tera fairy, Koraidon can go Tera fire and Flare Blitz you
Because you're locked into Dgleam, so you're pretty much fodder
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Could go Tera ghost on Bloodmoon to play around that, it's somewhat uncommon but...
This could be entirely avoided with a redirector
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Not to mention, Flutter could just icy wind
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This could be entirely avoided with a redirector
Rajan's team has RockPon
Which still isn't exactly good into Koraidon Flutter Mane
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Rock pon gets sturdy activated and only allows 1-2 turns for bloodmoon to move
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Miraidon as an individual mon is insane but when it comes to supporting it, you don't have many tools, not to mention the fake tears strat is just too good to achieve (no offense)
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Rock pon gets sturdy activated and only allows 1-2 turns for bloodmoon to move
Dazzling Gleam Flare Blitz
Atp Bloodmoon is damn near dead asw
Also, Tera Ghost Bloodmoon isn't super consistent either
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Firepon could maybe work as it takes advantage of the Sun
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It does but atp Flutter Mane becomes nearly unstoppable with the Dgleam spam
Also, the reason Miraidon runs RockPon is because it doesn't die to a single discharge unlike most other offensive threats
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But then you run into another issue where Koraidon could just flare blitz it
They wouldn’t do that; collision course is much safer
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FirePon ruins the entire point of using Ogerpon at all, because you don't have sturdy which is necessary
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They wouldn’t do that; collision course is much safer
Or they just protect and Gleam
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Resisted
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What is happening
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Ye but now ur in range for Ccourse
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What is happening
yapping. A lot of it
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Why
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I don’t know:/
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Uhh
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https://pokepast.es/302bebaa92191eed i need something for calyrex ghost
This @jovial creek
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Why is there a lando I
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P much the context of the conversation
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I don’t know how it got so deep
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That team shouldn't need help for calyrex
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Why is there a lando I
That's kinda the same question I had 😭
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And a farig
Which should be foul play Psychic noise tr helping hand
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Also nobody mentioned that farigiraf isn’t even using trick room
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Honestly just make it luca's team
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Csr also pairs with Whims/Torn tho
Not the best ones
Tr farig can help with that too
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I mean ideally bulky Csr can 1v1 Shifu
Nelliel (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 188 HP / 36 Def / 100 SpA / 36 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Astral Barrage
- Protect
- Psyshock
Smth like this for instance
Bulky csr always runs enough speed w timid to outspeed modest/adamant 135 base speed mons iirc and either uses Tera water/Tera fairy which ruins Shifu
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Tr farig can help with that too
He doesn't have that tho, and the team still loses to cir
And Koraidon
And to some extent, Zac-C
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He doesn't have that tho, and the team still loses to cir
Well it should
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https://pokepast.es/302bebaa92191eed i need something for calyrex ghost
Without changing too much, I'd make one of lando/peli an iron hands, change farig to a normal set(foul play psychic noise helping hand tr) and then if you replace peli make shifu sash
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I originally suggested to go with spe booster Flutter (now that I think abt it you, could also go Iron Bundle)
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Don't go iron bundle
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Ye
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Without changing too much, I'd make one of lando/peli an iron hands, change fari...
Oh and make miraidon volt switch over thunder and tera fairy
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Why use Pelipper tho
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Without changing too much, I'd make one of lando/peli an iron hands, change fari...
i switched urshifu for ih
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i switched urshifu for ih
Don't do that
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oh
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Even for Wide Guard, why not just use Iron Valiant instead of Peli
Cause Quark Drive boost
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Quark Drive + Wide Guard
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That's why it was so bad early reg g
I mean, if you desperately want a Wide Guard user, Ival just made more sense to me on a Miraidon team
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He has wide guard
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So
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Ye so I imagined he chose Peli specifically for wide guard support
Which is smth IVal can potentially do better and even pair with smth like choice scarf Urshifu and support it w coaching or just icy wind w mystic water Shifu
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Ye so I imagined he chose Peli specifically for wide guard support
yeah that’s literally pelips only purpose on my team besides tailwind support
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yeah that’s literally pelips only purpose on my team besides tailwind support
I mean
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Peli is a good Wide Guard user, yeah, but on this specific team especially when you're running mystic water Urshifu, I feel like Iron Valiant w icy wind/coaching and Wide Guard is prolly better
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No
Js use Luca's team
And then make changes that suit your playstyle
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You're gonna have to figure out some of the EV spreads from the regulation G strategy dex
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I'm a huge comfey hater
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But it could be an amoonguss
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But it could be an amoonguss
True
But Comfey is unique
(and I'm a D1 Amoonguss hater)
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But Comfey is **unique**
Damn that thing, stupid triage
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Damn that thing, stupid triage
Triage is based bro
Comfey isn't even hard to manage, this thing has 52 hp
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vast thicket
10/10 because Lunala is a cool Pokemon 😎
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lunala so cool 🙂
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https://pokepast.es/8ee77b11a79e898c
Go Tera fairy on the Indeedee and give it Rocky helmet, other than that solid team you got here
And use detect on Urshifu instead of protect
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Reg G Zamazenta team I made, still need to calc EVS: https://pokepast.es/24974de7d41ef675
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And use detect on Urshifu instead of protect
what is the difference between detect and protect?
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what is the difference between detect and protect?
It's just good protection against Imprison mons that might Imprison and prevent you from using protect
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It's just good protection against Imprison mons that might Imprison and prevent ...
ah okie
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Reg G Zamazenta team I made, still need to calc EVS: https://pokepast.es/24974de...
Go Tera ghost on Incineroar
And maybe tera fire on Zamazenta-Crowned
Also, Farigiraf doesn't accomplish much here, you're better off using speed booster Flutter Mane with icy wind for speed control
I'd personally drop Sneasler for Chien-Pao because sword of ruin is REALLY good on this team with Zamazenta
TLDR: Replace Farigaraf and Sneasler with Flutter Mane and Chien-Pao
(And this is optional, but if you want more offensive pressure to pair with Chien-Pao, go with banded Entei)
Ogerpon-Wellspring (F) @ Wellspring Mask
Level: 50
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 212 HP / 84 Atk / 12 Def / 12 SpD / 188 Spe
Tera Type: Water
Jolly Nature
- Ivy Cudgel
- Horn Leech
- Follow Me
- Spiky Shield
And switch your Ogerpon EVs to this
soft nexus
Comfey isn't even hard to manage, this thing has 52 hp
it gets it back every single turn
cinder glacier
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jovial creek
https://pokepast.es/21760153f4224ec0
This just looks worse than Luca's team
ornate cloak
Yh js use Luca's team atp
Sitrus berry Incineroar in a Calyrex inflated meta is not a good idea
merry bridge
Reg g is officially back up
merry bridge
With the restricted pokemon stuff being a thing I'm noticing my current team has no restricted mons. Is anyone fine helping me get a restricted mon on my team and improving it overall?
humble lichen
Imagine someone brings back the Miraidon and Surge Surfer Raichu-Alola combo
jovial creek
With the restricted pokemon stuff being a thing I'm noticing my current team has...
I'd recommend picking a restricted mon and then building around it
merry bridge
Ok
Lugia!
I like lugia
I doubt its that good though 😔
And for some reason it's a restricted mon
finite drum
https://pokepast.es/57fca8787a0e326b recommendations?
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tribal void
https://pokepast.es/57fca8787a0e326b recommendations?
give calys way more speed for situations where u don't lead whim or u cant get tailwind off. also maybe some more bulk on that incin
also protect on calys
finite drum
give calys way more speed for situations where u don't lead whim or u cant get t...
my original calyrex ghost was max speed and special attack but i figured it just outsped most things
but okay
tribal void
u don't have to go max speed
finite drum
idle pond
thoughts
idle pond
yea they were the last i came to did not know wha else to add
jovial creek
Maybe chien pao and entei?
idle pond
thats a good idea they kinda do dragonites job but better
jovial creek
Yeah and both work well with most of the team
idle pond
ty for the tip
sonic wind
thoughts
with this big of a support squad youd probably go for Iron Defense Zama. Wide Guard likes to be paired with other offensive threats to keep up pressure as Zama provides utility.
brave lintel
Made this in game instead of building it on showdown first.
Classic builds for everything
Bulky Attacker build for urshi
Just worried that it's too much fire lmao
ornate cloak
Nelliel (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 188 HP / 36 Def / 100 SpA / 36 SpD / 148 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Nasty Plot
- Astral Barrage
- Protect
- Psyshock
Ignore the psychic seed
ornate cloak
Nelliel (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 5...
@finite drum
This outspeeds Modest/Adamant 135 base speed tier mons
So you're pretty much outspeeding everything and have great bulk and damage output
sonic wind
Just worried that it's too much fire lmao
I think the direction youre going, Miraidon wants more speed control instead of triple fire types
ornate cloak
Nelliel (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 5...
@sonic wind thoughts on this csr set?
brave lintel
I think the direction youre going, Miraidon wants more speed control instead of ...
Yeah who do you reckon needs replacement and which controller? I have amoonguss and whimsicott already built
Amoonguss doesn't work with electric terrain though
sonic wind
Yeah who do you reckon needs replacement and which controller? I have amoonguss ...
Whimsicott is great with Miraidon, Id drop Chi-Yu since Hearthflame does a lot already
Id also highly recommend Farigiraf > Flutter Mane for the Caly Ice match up
sonic wind
Nelliel (Calyrex-Shadow) @ Psychic Seed
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Level: 5...
The EVs and moves are fine
ornate cloak
Made this in game instead of building it on showdown first.
Classic builds for ...
Bloodmoon and Farigiraf would be nice on this team icl
brave lintel
Whimsicott is great with Miraidon, Id drop Chi-Yu since Hearthflame does a lot a...
Ok cool. Which farigiraf set btw? The first time I ever used it was with ursaluna during last regulation
ornate cloak
The EVs and moves are fine
Alr
ornate cloak
Ok cool. Which farigiraf set btw? The first time I ever used it was with ursalun...
Use electric seed Farigiraf
Works p well with Miraidon
brave lintel
I just don't get how a trick room Pokémon is useful here
sonic wind
Farigiraf @ Electric Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Armor Tail
EVs: 228 HP / 100 Def / 180 SpD
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Ground
Calm Nature
- Psychic Noise
- Foul Play
- Trick Room
- Helping Hand
sonic wind
I just don't get how a trick room Pokémon is useful here
for faster teams, to reverse trick room vs trick room teams, handles both Calyrex formes quite well
ornate cloak
I just don't get how a trick room Pokémon is useful here
You need a trickroom mon to:
-
Have a favourable tr matchup against Cir
-
Reverse trickroom
sonic wind
Farigiraf @ Electric Seed
Level: 50
Ability: Armor Tail
EVs: 228 HP / 100 Def / ...
Id say Tera Fairy/Water instead if you are Tera Fairy Miraidon
also blocking Fake Out fo Specs Mirai is quite invaluable
brave lintel
Here I'll get my team written into showdown to have all the details in one screenshot
ornate cloak
https://pokepast.es/3fae68c3e626f632
Could use some advice for this team
ornate cloak
https://pokepast.es/3fae68c3e626f632
Could use some advice for this team
@sonic wind thoughts?
sonic wind
https://pokepast.es/3fae68c3e626f632
Could use some advice for this team
This is neat, Id use Will-o-Wisp on Incineroar for a better Zamazenta match up, and I find that Coaching on Urshifu comes up more than Aqua Jet when next to Caly-I
ornate cloak
This is neat, Id use Will-o-Wisp on Incineroar for a better Zamazenta match up, ...
Imma be honest I don't even bring Urshifu most of the times
It's usually Incineroar/Rillaboom, with cir, and Comfey and Rbolt in the back
brave lintel
@sonic wind https://pokepast.es/1233c038cc4b6c2a
this is the final version with your tips
is that looking good
if so I gotta rebuild farigiraf but not too much work
jovial creek
Id change some sets around, miraidon can be tera fairy gleam over discharge, farig can be tera water or whatever and maybe you make ursh sash and whims cloak
I also don't really like Iron hands less miraidon but that's not the end of the world
brave lintel
I thought the tera ground/discharge was supposed to go together
brave lintel
I also don't really like Iron hands less miraidon but that's not the end of the ...
Iron hands isn't in the team
jovial creek
Iron hands isn't in the team
Exactly
jovial creek
I thought the tera ground/discharge was supposed to go together
Tera fairy dazzling Gleam makes you more flexible
ornate cloak
<@1275658929422209191> https://pokepast.es/1233c038cc4b6c2a
Re-EV Shifu, it needs more attack, and if you're going discharge you need Tground giraf/Bloodmoon
jovial creek
So you can change tera ground
brave lintel
Tera fairy dazzling Gleam makes you more flexible
okay
ornate cloak
So you can change tera ground
Bloodmoon could be nice on this team, yeah?
jovial creek
Re-EV Shifu, it needs more attack, and if you're going discharge you need Tgroun...
It literally is tera ground 😭
jovial creek
Bloodmoon could be nice on this team, yeah?
Over what
ornate cloak
Myb I'm blind
jovial creek
Bloodmoon isn't used on mirai comps much anymore
Just better options
If you want a tr mon go hands
ornate cloak
Ig Hands is js better yeah
brave lintel
I'm only using miraidon btw becuase it's the only quality restricted i have
ornate cloak
I'm only using miraidon btw becuase it's the only quality restricted i have
Oh you're playing on the uh, cartridge
brave lintel
correct
that's why I said I gotta rebuild the farigiraf
lots of annoying work lmao
ornate cloak
Js gen them lmfao
ornate cloak
If you don't mind me asking, why not
brave lintel
It shouldn't be too much work
nah like the entire farigiraf spread in there is already Luna's advice and mine is nothing like it
brave lintel
If you don't mind me asking, why not
breaks tos, feels wrong, if I ever went to a play pokemon event boom banned, the effort feels somewhat rewarding and I'm more attached to each mon
ornate cloak
breaks tos, feels wrong, if I ever went to a play pokemon event boom banned, the...
Valid
You've got Indigo Disk?
brave lintel
yes I love the story so much dude. you reckon terapagos restricted?
jovial creek
nah like the entire farigiraf spread in there is already Luna's advice and mine ...
Ah
jovial creek
yes I love the story so much dude. you reckon terapagos restricted?
Pagos is good
ornate cloak
Terapagos requires an entirely different team comp tho
jovial creek
Kinda hard to build around
brave lintel
yeah I'll just finish setting this up
jovial creek
But yeah if you don't want to make a whole new team then just make those changes
ornate cloak
yes I love the story so much dude. you reckon terapagos restricted?
Farm Tera shards in the area zero under depths, you can get plenty in that area
jovial creek
breaks tos, feels wrong, if I ever went to a play pokemon event boom banned, the...
What i do is gen for online things and get them myself for tpci events
brave lintel
sorry too many changes to track lmao
jovial creek
water tera on farigiraf?
Probably
ornate cloak
Kinda hard to build around
Comfey Terapagos is rlly strong, trust me
jovial creek
And then for evs you can use the smogon dex
ornate cloak
Yes it is bro
jovial creek
Comfey is way too frail
ornate cloak
Floral healing goes crazy with 160/110/110
drifting onyxBOT
ornate cloak
Comfey is way too frail
Incineroar + Rillaboom support
ornate cloak
But Floral Healing on smth like stellarpagos makes it so annoying to deal with
ornate cloak
I like playing cm
Best set
ornate cloak
Protect
Starstorm
Cm
Sub
jovial creek
I also don't like mono starstorm
ornate cloak
Oh yeah
ornate cloak
But on second thought
But tbf you're still cooked against wide guard
ornate cloak
Ep works fine ig
jovial creek
Earth power or Flamethrower then
jovial creek
This is probably a comp gen thing
ornate cloak
Myb
steep mesa
https://pokepast.es/3251fb00430c7e94
should i run expanding force or wide guard on lunala, theres time i need wide guard but theres also times where expanding force does sm dmg that it wins me games
finite drum
<@976447203193290774>
can i still keep tera dark
cause it reists ghost and dark (i think)
ornate cloak
can i still keep tera dark
Tera Dark just gives you an unnecessary Urshifu weakness, go Tera fairy/Tera water you resist one of Urshifu's STABs with either typing, and you get a dark resist/neutrality in the process
Ideally go with Tera fairy and covert cloak
I js meant to give you the EV spread
jovial creek
can i still keep tera dark
Tera dark works
It's part of the calyrex tera type roulette
errant merlin
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errant merlin
switched lunala out for necrozma, but idk what item i should put on it
should it still be power herb
meteor beam
ok for some reason my tera types didnt work
errant merlin
https://pokepast.es/312a0508cfa1cfcc
this link has the tera types
idle pond
with this big of a support squad youd probably go for Iron Defense Zama. Wide Gu...
i think youre right i made the change and he's been doing a lot better
tribal void
On the smogon vgc discord i saw someone mention av groudon with annihilape and grimmsnarl and wanted to try it out. https://pokepast.es/1674f762ca470d91
it might have also been clam but I still want to give credits to whoever thought of it
so if someone knows
jovial creek
it might have also been clam but I still want to give credits to whoever thought...
Tyo
tribal void
Thanks
Also is there any part if the team that may need improvements, be changed, or do you think it’s good as it is
jovial creek
Probably good as is
soft nexus
https://pokepast.es/312a0508cfa1cfcc
booster flutter will boost sp. Atk on a mainly supportive set, id recommend a sash set or a speed boosting set
this booster flutter
you could also replace shadow ball with tr
sonic wind
On the smogon vgc discord i saw someone mention av groudon with annihilape and g...
may be just me but screens without set up seems like a missed opportunity
tribal void
from my experience
the screens are more of an offset to groudon's accuracy than anything
groudon can live for disgustingly long amounts of time
and throw off like 5 precipice blades
even if i miss one
i can just live another hit
like av groudon under screens lives helping hand modest specs draco from mirai
but thats just from my experience
- I do occasionally click coaching with annihilape
pine turtle
just some team i feel like playing with: https://pokepast.es/ce3f8249b85b4651
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errant merlin
booster flutter will boost sp. Atk on a mainly supportive set, id recommend a sa...
true
steep mesa
soft nexus
https://pokepast.es/34b4d120c83508b8
team is good it’s just missing a solid fire type
steep mesa
thinking maybe torkoal for ursaluna, im gna try some things tn again. most of the other mon but ursaluna im set on keeping
lost coral
Could you all rate this Regulation G VGC team that I am preparing to use for an upcoming regional: https://pokepast.es/1f0ec1349b91f872
steep mesa
https://pokepast.es/34b4d120c83508b8
https://pokepast.es/cf4a127bf2b085a1
changed my lunala set and evs, i was having trouble in certain matchups because of my moveset with meteor beam... it was basically a dead move besides anything but turn 1. i also already had incineroar checks so i js dont see the use of it besides the +1 spa boost. if anyone has suggestions for it lmk.
sonic wind
Could you all rate this Regulation G VGC team that I am preparing to use for an ...
I dont get the Cornerstone here
lost coral
I dont get the Cornerstone here
It’s got sturdy which means it can survive a lot of attacks that can one shot my team’s pokemon. But should I use Ogerpon Hearth instead?
Plus, ivy cudgel rock can hit certain other pokemon for super effective damage (e.g. incineroar)
cold shoal
sonic wind
It’s got sturdy which means it can survive a lot of attacks that can one shot my...
what match ups is it supposed to aid in
languid thorn
https://pokepast.es/3b7434b53e90579e sharing my groudon team, what matchups am i expecting a worse time with?
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distant trellis
https://pokepast.es/3b38e099fae38a6a funny
hatt and caly I in tr n stuff, ngl I rarely bring gapdos but its moreso there to alleviate the incin MU
there's prob something better I can put in that last slot
annihilape might work idk
I can explain EV spreads if you all want but most of them revolve around caly s and miraidon scary
lost coral
what match ups is it supposed to aid in
Trick room teams and pokemon that target calyrex shadow
What pokemon do you recommend swapping it for? Another usage for Ogerpon is it’s redirection move follow me
Should I substitute Ogerpon with rillaboom, incineroar, another follow me pokemon, or a wide guard pokemon?
tribal void
Is there anything to do to help out against the peliper-caly I combo or chien pao teams while playing groudon or are these really hard matchups something you just have to play around
soft nexus
https://pokepast.es/3b38e099fae38a6a funny
hatt and caly I in tr n stuff, ngl ...
why 3 psychic types
hat shouldn’t be here
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distant trellis
why 3 psychic types
Ever heard of psyspam
That's the point 😭
Hatt expanding force under psychic terrain
thorny aurora
I think you made it worse
why?
thorny aurora
I think you made it worse
urshifu dark deals better with the more aggressive version of calyrex
and ogerpon can use follow me, redirecting amoongus spore, incineroar's parting shot and other things
ornate cloak
https://pokepast.es/2e3698decdc19efc is it good? its a **variation of** **this t...
Icl, the original team seems more effective
There's also the fact that unless you're facing Kyogre, Ogerpon-Water is kinda average due to Koraidon, Miraidon, Ogerpon not being good into Calyrex forms either, for instance Ogerpon-Rock threatens p much every CalyIce variant and is objectively the better redirector
I'd drop Wellspring and ShifuDark for Cornerstone and scarfed/sash ShifuWater
As a redirector, RockPon is almost infinitely better due to sturdy
And if you're really vulnerable able to Amoonguss, js give Incineroar Flare Blitz over Will-O-Wisp it's not even that bad of an alternative
old kindle
decided to cook something up for the upcoming regionals a little early just so i can grab some practice, how do you guys think it looks? https://pokepast.es/5907e95c05716441
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inland night
hello please someone help me please to make a good team without legend poke with this 2 pokemon im in love on them ^^. thanks
Flutter Mane @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Shadow Ball
- Power Gem
- Thunderbolt
Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 228 Def / 28 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty Plot
- Recover
jovial creek
!nolegends
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jovial creek
decided to cook something up for the upcoming regionals a little early just so i...
Don't run torkoal+kyogre
For obvious reasons
old kindle
huh
jovial creek
They both set weather
old kindle
oh i dont plan to run them at the same time
jovial creek
So you shouldn't have a mon that doesn't pair with it
jovial creek
Probably lando
old kindle
since those were 2 considerations for the last slot before i thought of amogus
old kindle
yeah i was thinking that since miraidon is an issue
although i dont really like how urshifu plays
maybe since it feels off in showdown rather than in game
jovial creek
It's a high risk high reward mon
old kindle
maybe its squishiness is whats urking me off
i mean i can always just try it out anyway since i can grab my other urshifu from sword or shield depending on which one i wanna grab the dlc for (likely shield since its my main gen 8 game)
single strike ursh would probably be better as i already have water coverage with kyogre right?
or do you think it would still be better to run urshifu in case itera my kyogre where im susceptible to caly ice?
oh wait nvm i forgot about rain 
not sure if i wanna run scarf shifu or mystic with detect
old kindle
yeah vie heard about life orb lando with sheer force shenanigans
jovial creek
Yep
old kindle
You could also go farig over shifu
how does farig work in this situation?
i doubt its just for armor tail
jovial creek
how does farig work in this situation?
Blocks priority moves for kyogre
Can also set tr in faster mus
old kindle
oh
old kindle
Can also set tr in faster mus
mus?
jovial creek
No fake out/Grassy Glide is nice
old kindle
Can also set tr in faster mus
you think i can just yoink the farig ev spread from lucas team to also have another wall for caly ice or would i rather run a diff ev just for the purpose of this
old kindle
Probably lando
how does lando work here
since i just realized unless i get tailwind up and they dont i dont have a chance of ohkoing t1
and if i wait longer theyll most likely get tailwind up
for miraidon
since im not threatening a t1 ko with lando unless i get lucky or run lorb modest
sterile flame
why is the team 2 weather tho
old kindle
oh i changed it
current thing im talking about rn
https://pokepast.es/0205e7951a2cdba1
soft nexus
Ever heard of psyspam
calyrex ice is not part of spy spam
old kindle
dont mind torn rn its a wip
soft nexus
psyspam*
old kindle
lando im messing around with to see if i can somehow threaten a guaranteed ohko on mirai if they lead with it and dont switch out
soft nexus
Ever heard of psyspam
farigiraf is better in this format, and psychic attacking moves are very mid in this format
old kindle
since im not threatening a t1 ko with lando unless i get lucky or run lorb modes...
would like flutter mane work better since my main threat is really just mirai
jovial creek
calyrex ice is not part of spy spam
It is in reg g
soft nexus
It is in reg g
not really and psyspam is not that great in this reg
soft nexus
current thing im talking about rn
https://pokepast.es/0205e7951a2cdba1
Scarf protect.
old kindle
Scarf protect.
#1059704283072831499 message
soft nexus
https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499/132707114459...
you have scarf protect
old kindle
buddy
i am messing around with calcs
i said im messing around with it
nothing on lando ursh or torn is set in stone
soft nexus
Ok but like, that just hurts to see
At least change it to lorb😭
anyways I have some advice for torn
Protect on a tw mon isn’t really that helpful, recommend just doing the normal tornadus stuff
(im talking bleakwind storm tailwind taunt icy wind/rain dance
jovial creek
current thing im talking about rn
https://pokepast.es/0205e7951a2cdba1
Make ursh sash and give torn tailwind bleakwind rain dance protect
Taunt on torn is nice
Not taunt
Protect
You aren't taunting anything with this team
soft nexus
and maybe protect but it’s main purpose is just to set up rain dance and tailwind and then go out
jovial creek
That's a bad way to look at it
old kindle
my buddy over here since im just working on it while talking to him is just berating me about the lando
old kindle
saying to just use flutter to check miraidon turn 1 ohko and stuff
jovial creek
Not really true
old kindle
so i now need an argument against this guy for lando
jovial creek
Miraidon clicks tera fairy and the whims clicks light screen
And you cry
Your miraidon matchup will be kyogre early
And lando in the endgame
old kindle
i see
so i dont really lead lando or smth unless i figure out their main strat with it
old kindle
Miraidon clicks tera fairy and the whims clicks light screen
wouldnt kyogre also be ruined by this too?
soft nexus
also your rillaboom matchup is really bad
one grassy glide and kyogre is gone
incin does exist but high horsepower does as well
old kindle
also your rillaboom matchup is really bad
im psure torn can take care of it
soft nexus
im psure torn can take care of it
assault vest tho
old kindle
this guy wont stop going off about lando and im just now confused on the entire thign
old kindle
Run overqwill
what role is overqwill?
soft nexus
I only said one thing about lando😭🙏
jovial creek
what role is overqwill?
Offensive
old kindle
I only said one thing about lando😭🙏
#1059704283072831499 message
soft nexus
why you gotta do me like that bro
soft nexus
https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059704283072831499/132707335037...
what is this supposed to mean
sterile flame
plus gets acid spray
old kindle
what is this supposed to mean
old kindle
wait so what mons are lando meant for other than mirai, istg if i mention mirai this guy is gonna go off on me again
soft nexus
bro is overreacting
sterile flame
it works for zam too
and zacian
raging boly
with scarf you tera ghost to block fake out and put uturn over protect and ur golden
you've got a speedy damage machine
soft nexus
id also reccomend farigiraf or an ogerpon because rillabooms grassy glide
old kindle
what is landos redeeming quality as an attacker when other ground type attackers work
old kindle
what is lando doing here that no other ground mon can do where i can slot in a better ground mon or smth else
soft nexus
And get killed by urshifu
sterile flame
it's the best ground mon for this
old kindle
it's the best ground mon for this
theyre not taking this answer lmfao
soft nexus
Name another ground type attacker other than the ursas and lando
The former are too slow and die to urshifu
And you don’t have TR
So lando is pretty much the only ground attacker here
old kindle
theyre saying what do i need a ground type attacker for
old kindle
ok so theyre saying flutter works against all these besides zacian
soft nexus
The rare Eternatus but that doesn’t really count as it’s too uncommon
soft nexus
Raging bolt runs AV
jovial creek
It still loses to lando
old kindle
"it doesnt work against miraidon, it doesnt work against zama" (referring to lando)
old kindle
what role is lando
old kindle
i mean like special attacker, or like bulky offense
old kindle
i think it would be best if we moved to like comp gen since this isnt really team talk, its just me trying to consolidate lando because my friend wont stop pestering me about this 😭 and its annoyin me
jovial creek
We can do that
old kindle
alright bet
old kindle
Make ursh sash and give torn tailwind bleakwind rain dance protect
oh erm this is old but why rain dance on here? wouldnt i get smth better since i can set rain with kyogre? or is this for when kyogre is like dead
jovial creek
oh erm this is old but why rain dance on here? wouldnt i get smth better since i...
It's for koraidon/groudon
old kindle
ah
jovial creek
Or things that change weather
old kindle
i see
anyway so overqwil is like acid spray liquidation, gunk and like protect?
or would i rather run aqua jet
jovial creek
Acid spray dark move gunk protect
old kindle
💀
just sent me this
anyway i should probs opt for throat chop since i probs wont be using much of the def reduc of crunch
right?
jovial creek
Probably
old kindle
plus throat chop gets rid of hyper voice ursa and psychic noise farig
psychic noise is sound
right?
and basic set of evs is just a simple 252 atk 252 spe and 4 def?
old kindle
im assuming adamant because of swift swim
or does timid cross a speed threshold
lemme see
300 speed swift swim timid
oh shoot thats 600 with tailwind lol
jovial creek
300 doesn't seem like anything
old kindle
137 or 274 with adamant
i cant find anythin on smogon dex that differentiates the both, probs bc nobody uses overqwil much in vgc
i cant even check vgcpastes for any inspiration because my entire sheet goes black?
jovial creek
What does it hit with adamant
old kindle
i forgot proto existed
wait why did i say timid earlier 💀 ?
ig ill run a standard torn set
heres ig the final spread
not sure why but no urshifu just looks so weird to me i mean like this 100% works just, ig i see urshifu so often on teams
do you think there are any tweaks i could make for potential things that might annoy and such
might think about swapping protect to clear smog just in case of any high stack cir or csr
but i do get rid of spore immunity if i tera it
also im assuming the team that my team struggles against is miraidon teams?
jovial creek
Looks good
Maybe poison overqwill
Into miraidon you have to force tera and use qwill
Top 4
old kindle
Maybe poison overqwill
oh i forgot to set tera type on qwill
so basically the main problem team is mirai
i dont think either caly should be an issue unless im mistaken
jovial creek
They should be very winnable
old kindle
yeah i just need to make sure not to mess up by like tera grass against cir teams and using overqwil against csr
which caly shadow is most common? is it just glass cannon?
either way throat chop should ohko
regardless
csr is probs my best mu right?
old kindle
yeah just checked even max spa and stuff wont ohko, like 80% most
old kindle
Yeah or cir
kyo can tank like 3 hits from cir at base psure right?
jovial creek
kyo can tank like 3 hits from cir at base psure right?
Surely
old kindle
how does it differ per tera?
old kindle
funny whale
jovial creek
Lando kyogre can just smack it
old kindle
mhm
jovial creek
Into grass you probably want overqwill
And to try to burn it with incin
While for tera water amoonguss will be your friend
old kindle
i always hit it lmfao so i never expected it to miss
jovial creek
It only misses when you go for it onto your partner fr
jovial creek
It's more to dodge spore
old kindle
i completely forgot about that
old kindle
usually the only time spore hits is when i do stupid play
jovial creek
I've heard spore described as almost an offensive move in how you have to play around it
old kindle
i mean its basically offensive
same thing as ko 
if the pokemon is dead, basically a free kill
jovial creek
@old kindle go sash torn
old kindle
huh
jovial creek
It's free right
jovial creek
The reason I said to go cloak was because shifu
old kindle
i see
jovial creek
But now it's gone and you can run the cool set
old kindle
real
what does sash do btw
is it just for like
cir
or opposing kyogres
to tank an ice beam/thunder
jovial creek
It means
They have to double it
To kill it
(Shocker)
But that's nice for torn since you can get 2 tailwinds
old kindle
2 tailwinds would be nice
to have perm tailwind basically
since most games wont go past 8 turns
jovial creek
Pretty much
old kindle
honestly
sort of scared against groudon since i dont know why but i had issues with it before
but i know i shouldnt since kyogre should ohko
jovial creek
You have rain dance
old kindle
yeah
i think its just since i was using rilla against it before 💀
when it has like near 200 phys def on a normal set
old kindle
i hope this team holds up until the regional im attending, it should stay relevant for the most part, just need to make sure im piloting it with skill
jovial creek
Practice is key for this reg
old kindle
yeah
been a while since last reg g
and last reg g was worlds
i have like 3.75 months left until the may 2nd regionals
that is definitely enough time for me to scrounge up my team and go through ladder (i sort of prefer it over showdown, i dont know why)
also holy off topic we should probably get out of here again 😭
jovial creek
It's like mostly team related
tribal void
i have like 3.75 months left until the may 2nd regionals
isn't it reg I after april?
jovial creek
Team is good->practice
old kindle
isn't it reg I after april?
oh god dont tell me it is
jovial creek
That is highly possible
jovial creek
This is a compgen thing now
tribal void
wasn't that what they said? reg g lasts until april? unless im tweaking
yeah back to team
knotty harbor
can someone give me advice on what to replace landorous here with i dont use him oftonhttps://pokepast.es/88f9b600c92548f5