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[tribal void]

Tera normal

Is mostly used on ghost types scared of astral barrage

Like gholdengo and other calys

But since your using lunala

Wait

Why don’t u use wide guard on lunala

[errant merlin]

good question

i didnt know it learned it lol

i dont think my urshifu takes a +2 astral barrage

and it never outspeeds so

[tribal void]

ok

the first problem

is that you're letting them nasty plot up

second thing

urshifu dark almost always runs sash

due to how frail the dark fighting combo is

dies to fairy moves, fighting moves

sash allows it to use sucker punch

so the ideal set would be sucker punch, wicked blow, cc, protect

band is just too inconsistent for a dark type

locking into a commonly resisted type

(only caly hates it)

[west glacier]

Scarf max speed out speeds by 1 point

[errant merlin]

oh im running band not scarf

[errant merlin]

yeah thinking about it i probably should

do that

cuz i dont use double edge much anyways

but u turn for some reason has gotten me multiple KOs lmao

psyspam users fear me

[errant merlin]

its mainly sash caly

[tribal void]

Sash caly?

Most of them are specs or life orb in my experience

Also that’s what sucker punch would be for on urshifu

If you run sash

[tribal void]

chat how does one deal with tailwind

https://pokepast.es/bfebce99a8d96dbe

this team gets bent over by tailwind and dkiss calys

what does one do to fix this issue

[errant merlin]

tru

[errant merlin]

trick room

[tribal void]

trick room calys goes crazy brb

lemme test this shit out

/j

[random wagon]

just use webs raging bolt

and not smeargle

maybe torn or clef there

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/e471dd5c1c0bc76f how's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Thunderbolt is better than thunder on bolt, zama should be 1 of iron defense or wide guard

Other than that it looks good but id be interested to see how it does on ladder

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/34d753a3412106d5 how about this

[wet torrent]

This is just my opinion but does anyone else think that Mamoswine with a choice scarf could pop off? I mean with its stabs alone it hits Kingambit, Gholdengo, Amoonguss, Sneasler, Archaludon, incinaroar, Rillaboom,Dragapult, Dragonite, Garchomp, and several others with a massive attack stat, Not only that but you could ditch scarf fir amulet and use tailwind support instead, with knock off it handles pesky psychics and it could use it final slot for something like rock slide or icicle spear?

Sorry if this is the wrong channel for this

Talonflame would be a great supporting option because it would be immune to earthquake and could provide tailwind while helping to beat Whimsicott

[primal osprey]

https://pokepast.es/ee27384cfa6ca659 I wanted to try a slightly different trick room team, but I feel like I can improve it. What can I change?

[west glacier]

there are sash caly

[tribal void]

Ik there probably are

But for the most par I see mostly life orb

And occasional specs

[west glacier]

@wet torrentswine also dies to Gambit, Gholdengo, Sneasler,Archaludon, Incineroar, Rillaboom, Dragapult

[tribal void]

Not saying sash is bad or shouldn’t be accounted for

[west glacier]

youd have to calc if you can reliably ohko or if you can take a hit and 2hko

[tribal void]

But it is uncommon from my experience

[errant merlin]

man

maybe its just low ladder

or maybe im just paranoid

[tribal void]

Calyrex is always going to Tera in front of ohkos anyways

[errant merlin]

but i swear to god i see sash all the damn time

[tribal void]

Unless it’s urshifu

[errant merlin]

why did i say specs im high

[west glacier]

wolfey won a tourney wiht sash caly back in June or Juli/august

in sommer

[tribal void]

Ah that’s probably why

I slowed down on playing around August

[errant merlin]

it might just be closed team sheet

[tribal void]

Ohhhh

I play bo3

[errant merlin]

but im always paranoid that im gonna get hit by sash and get OHKO'ed back

[tribal void]

That probably makes a lot of difference

[errant merlin]

i play too but the queue times take forever

[west glacier]

well yes cause its a possible option. Still you should mostly account for the most common things

[tribal void]

Yeah in the case for bo3 it’s usually life orb

[errant merlin]

yeah cuz if i know its sash ill click something else for my other mon

but if i dont im always just paranoid

im sure in regH me running stalwart archaludon got so many surprise KOs

cuz everyone just expects stamina arch

happened when i played BO3 too because nobody looks at arch's ability

[tribal void]

Yeah closed team sheets usually has a more surprise tone to many teams

That’s why I play open

[errant merlin]

yep

[errant merlin]

the 5 water 1 urshifu dark team lol

there was a team that ran 5 water types and everyone expected urshifu-rapid but it was actually urshifu-dark so that was funny

[tribal void]

cts is the reason people have smeargle

actually scratch that

smeargle sucks anyways

[errant merlin]

cts?

[tribal void]

closed team sheets

[west glacier]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2257576997

banger team

[errant merlin]

oh

[primal osprey]

any suggestions?

[soft nexus]

well for starters replace ape with h-lilli

it goes very well with torkoal

next the kingambit set

Iron head is hard to slot on, mainly because steel isn’t great as an offensive type and most of the types it’s super effective against are handled by the fighting types on your team

The only exception to that are fairy’s

And the most popular fairy, pri marina, is neutral to steel

Since you have follow me I don’t know why you don’t have swords dance over iron head

You could also go Tera dark

Most teams like these go indeedee-f over the psychic giraffe

Because follow me

[tribal void]

nah dont do indeedee

psychic terrain

clashes with the sd + sucker punch nature of gambit

[soft nexus]

Ik

[tribal void]

unless you remove sucker punch

[soft nexus]

that’s why kingambit isn’t that great here

[tribal void]

and gambit doesnt do well in TR

[soft nexus]

I mean it’s alright but there are 100% better options

[tribal void]

a dark type thats good would be incin

drop hydreigon

drop gambit

base ursa is also way better than ursabm in tr

[soft nexus]

and ape

[tribal void]

since it at least speed ties other base ursas

ape is fine on tr

[soft nexus]

for lilli h

[tribal void]

scarf final gambit sets fare well

lilli h could probably be slotted over hydreigon

if its like a very hyper offensive sunroom team

torkal, h lilligant, indeedee f, armarouge, ursaluna, and gallade are the norm team

but if you want to keep some of the same energy as your anticipated team

drop hydreigon for a better heat wave spammer like charizard

or h-typh

gambit would still be used

drop annihilape

for h-lilligant

[soft nexus]

if he wants to keep gambit he should go swords dance over iron head

[tribal void]

safety goggles sets usually run 3a, though low kick over iron head

nah

safety goggles is good

since no spore immunes

and this team has no time to click sd

its very incin baity without the bait part

needs a physical attacker thats easily dealt with by incin

to bait out a defiant boost

[soft nexus]

too much defiant

[tribal void]

keep gambit

gambit has its place on sun teams

[soft nexus]

ok but annihilape has to go

[tribal void]

agreed

doesnt mesh well

h-lilligant

or

a physicaly attacker like dice multiscale dnite would work

and then drop hydreigon for a spread fire damage spammer

boom

keeps some integrity of the original team

while improving the team composition

or if its zard

instead of htyph

garchomp could work over annihilape

[soft nexus]

I wonder if hatterene could work

[tribal void]

hatterene doesnt work well

its more solo terrain

than weather

[soft nexus]

I see it on sun teams though

[tribal void]

hatterene is not a tr setter (well she is butttt needs support)

hatterene is like calyI

a trick room setter for sure

but more of an abuser that can set it up

[soft nexus]

kingambit makes Sun a little hard to pull off

cuz Sun is most commonly used with indeedee

[tribal void]

nah

those are like mixed teams

solo sun is very common

but its mostly fast paced

tr sun is used with indeedee tho

[soft nexus]

well this is trick room

[tribal void]

meh feels half tr

but like

the tr part sucks

a lot

no offense

to the OP

but

ursabm is too fast(which sounds weird)

for tr

[soft nexus]

farigiraf is ok as a tr setter

Also why dazzling over hyper

[tribal void]

better coverage

hyper voice sometimes doesnt hit well

esp in a steel meta

[soft nexus]

Farigiraf isn’t an offensive mon tho?

[tribal void]

but so does dgleam

its weird to explain

[soft nexus]

Steel resists fairy

[tribal void]

well its also a dragon heavy meta

and it often tera fairies

but this was for reg f

reg h

is iffy

hyper voice is better

but marginally

imo

either one works

[soft nexus]

even then farigiraf doesn’t need 2 offensive moves

[tribal void]

it commonly uses 2 moves

hyper voice

and something else

[soft nexus]

me personally I like to use ally switch

[tribal void]

or psychic noise

and foul play

[soft nexus]

reflect or light screen works

alright

it works alright

[tribal void]

tr helping hand 2a works wonders

its like the standard set

[random wagon]

for reg g right?

i just use hvoice and psychic with tr + hh

[tribal void]

reg h

reg h its probably still hvoice and psychic

but i have a feeling dgleam is slightly better

voice is more reliable

but gleam hits more

[random wagon]

reg h why are you using farig lmao

but seriously

prob want smth like tr, protect, psychic noise and smth else

[tribal void]

idk someone is trying to use farig

farig still has some qualities over indeedee

underrrated

[random wagon]

yeah farig just isnt doing great rn

only thing i see is that psychic noise walls ape

[tribal void]

farig is my underrated garbage

[random wagon]

just does nice into ghold too

but just walls it

not much else

but if its specs locked into shadow ball then your golden

[tribal void]

farig isnt dependent on terrain

and still allows your team to abuse priority

[soft nexus]

farigiraf is shit

but he can’t use indeedee because of kingambit

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2257641317 why am I putting this here

im waffles

[errant merlin]

oh are we doing replays

look at this funny one

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regg-2257300428

urshifu picks up all 4 kos

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/44124fe7937c6020

good?

for regulation g

[primal osprey]

none taken, I have a sun room team made, just wanted to make another deck that doesn't rely on a predictable stratagy

regarding king gambit, what moves did you want me to alter? i can't find it

[soft nexus]

Just a few minor adjustments

1. Stomping on rillaboom -> high horsepower

2. Volt switch over thunderbolt on raging bolt

And maybe try the loaded dice sets on rilla, choice locking into a ground move can backfire when the opponent sends in a flying type

[thorny aurora]

ok

do you think that apart from that it would be good?

[random wagon]

id say keep cb rilla, and drop sacred sword for throat chop on chien pao. Thunder should be thunderbolt, and, as mentioned, you can run volt switch over thunderbolt

also peli kinda useless without wide guard

besides the korai matchup

[tribal void]

btw is booster or life orb raging bolt better

wondeirng

since i dont like life orb cutting into bulk

but i dont like the one time use nature of booster

https://pokepast.es/413e90c8bcf95c1a

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal void]

would it also be worth it to slot u turn on rillaboom

instead of high horsepower tera ground

ik that set is very situational

and tbh i havent used it a lot

but it still feels like the fact that it exists pressures a lot of people into not leading miraidon

but sometimes

i do hate the lack of pivoting

and being forced to make hard switches feels to predictable

[tribal void]

ok is there any way to patch up the kyogre matchup besides my own tailwind

cause raging bolt is only a soft check and gets chipped down easily by triple axel tsareena and landorus scares the shit out of it

[jovial creek]

Change csr to bulky setup

Go sash shifu

[jovial creek]

Probably

[tribal void]

I’ve always wanted to use bulky calys but every calys on ladder running max speed and nearly max spatk does not help at all

[jovial creek]

How

You can still go max speed

[tribal void]

Oh run some less spatk?

[jovial creek]

Yeah

Or go non-max speed

And play around the fact that you will probably be slower

Calm mind with a defensive Tera can help

[tribal void]

Then I might have to change the team comp

Since it’s more like offensive

[jovial creek]

Not really

It looks like a setup calyrex comp

[tribal void]

-incin

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[tribal void]

Wouldn’t incin be better than chi Yu for a set up type of team comp

[jovial creek]

Could be

You can test both

[finite drum]

quitting the game

[tribal void]

prankster imprison tailwind when???

or rotom fan gets a new ability that redirects tailwind from opponents side to your side???

[errant merlin]

actually i did this once

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/6eb1784552e40355 what do you think of this bulky calys

[jovial creek]

Change life orb and it's probably good

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/55bae0a3770f0289

finalized team

feels pretty good to play into other calys

idk about kyogre

havent fought it yet

[thorny aurora]

is it okay to have 2 wide guards on the team?

https://pokepast.es/2621e74185302a83

[tribal void]

yeah its fine imo

well technnically depends

if your main wide guard user is frail, its "sometimes" good to slot a second user

but if its zama

idk honestly for zama teams

[thorny aurora]

is pelipper considered fragile?

[tribal void]

its usually more offensively orientated in terms of evs

in reg g

[jovial creek]

Yeah it's fine

More flexibility is nice

[jovial creek]

It's pretty frail

[thorny aurora]

what do you think of the team?

anything else to change?

[jovial creek]

It looks good

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/b39ddd5dc65b97ee
https://pokepast.es/04976d00925854f0

pelipper or flutter mane?

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/754ba75de487585a

VGC reg h

Lead:
Annihilape/Milotic

Turn 1: Annihilape:Protect
Milotic: Hypnosis
(If hypnosis miss +2 speed, now outspeeds max speed Dragapult at 258 speed)
(If hypnosis lands, Start Setting up Bulk up on Ape)

Turn 2: (Situation 1)
Milotic is now the fastest on the field, Either go for Icy wind so Annihilape can outspeed most things or Scald for some chip.
Annihilape: Tera fire and Bulk up

Turn 2: (Situation 2)

Opponent is most likely forced to swap with their offensive threat being neutralised giving Annihilape a free Bulk up

go for Hypnosis again on the chance it will miss to proc Blunder policy

by turn 3 i usually just helping hand and smack crap with rage fist or drain punch

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense nebula]

raised sinisteas spatk up by 4points so it can KO tr armarouge

[soft nexus]

pelliper by far

Flutter just dies to zamazenta

[soft nexus]

vital spirit follow me electabuzz/magmar + primarina just destroys this gimmick

[dense nebula]

you got a team you could challenge me with? im down for some more improvements

[errant merlin]

im bored sure lol

i have terrible wifi though so be warned

[dense nebula]

thats fine

[errant merlin]

dms

[errant merlin]

so some recommendaations

first off, i wanna know how you're countering TR with taunt

cuz i dont see how you do that

[dense nebula]

think im gonna try clear amulet/vital spirit

[dense nebula]

trick room always goes last so taunt usually works unless they're a dark type

or they follow me

[errant merlin]

but follow me

follow me-taunt + redirect, they still get TR

unless im missing something?

oh are you going fake out + taunt on turn 1

but that doesnt work on indeedee armarouge cuz of psychic terrain

[dense nebula]

right., if i see that they have a follow me mon i'd probably just bulk up and swap into sinistea

sinistcha*

since its kinda slow

[errant merlin]

ah

personally i recommend swapping sinistcha for clefairy

after you/follow me/dazzling gleam/protect

[dense nebula]

i completely forgot after you works in tr lol

only thing is i wouldnt have any healing on switch in

which is kinda the only reason for sinistcha

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/7e31aee61b4f88a3

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[fathom token]

@tropic tinsel here it is

[tropic tinsel]

RainRoom?

[fathom token]

yeah

[tropic tinsel]

I'm certain that breloom is the mon that comes out, but I'm thinking abt what enters

Gon put this here so it's easier to see

[fathom token]

it does, its the second option pair with inci

the main one is inci pory-2

[fathom token]

okam

then I usually do convinient swaps, basic reads judging by what they're going to attack after tr is set up or after loom manages to spore an opossing mon

the one I usually bring in is peli or ursa, even arch

[tropic tinsel]

Would BM be better than Base luna

[tropic tinsel]

Amoongus prolly better for spore

[fathom token]

I'm not too sure, eq base ursa hits quite hard and the majority of my team is well adapted to avoid it or take it

[jovial creek]

Breloom should break it pretty well

[fathom token]

ik ik, amoonguss is always the best sporer, but loom is a convinience pick

[tropic tinsel]

How

He has a list of stuff to beat

I wanna defensive check it tho

Cuz you have sweepers alr

[fathom token]

you sure? it is really weak to ghold and even peli if it outspeeds, an actual duo that I've been seeing as starters for quite a while now

[tropic tinsel]

You just gotta stop theirs

[fathom token]

correct

[jovial creek]

Oh i forgot about the dengo

[tropic tinsel]

Also Scale DNite

[jovial creek]

Incin?

[tropic tinsel]

If it doesn't tera

[jovial creek]

Yeah but you just swap to arch and win

[fathom token]

inci gets beaten up by peli hard

even if I tera, the damage of weather ball or muddy water is insane

and if I do so, I'm exposed to a shadow ball from ghold

[jovial creek]

But all of that can be used to give your arch stamina boosts

[tropic tinsel]

Sitrus grass incin

[jovial creek]

Which should let you win

[fathom token]

that's true

I'ma be honest, I actually added arch really recently

[tropic tinsel]

Also is this a cartridge team

[fathom token]

I haven't tried it out

[fathom token]

whas that

[tropic tinsel]

Team on the physical game

Or digital if eshop

[fathom token]

hm that doesn't sound quite bad

[fathom token]

oh

yeah pretty much

which is also a weakness to arch

[tropic tinsel]

Is Amoong in SV base game

[fathom token]

hm

ngl tera grass sitrus inci is kinda genius, it also helps if I have to eq with ursa and inci has to be on the field

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/d54830b4287566e5

Sorry for making you fetch a bm luna

Also I don't fw muddy water (personal shit)

Taunt is good here but idk where I'd put it

Nvm incin has it

Fake blitz here bc it's better into dengo

[fathom token]

dw

[fathom token]

damn... misses?

[tropic tinsel]

Yea

If it ain't 100%

[fathom token]

it makes sense, but as I said before, this dengo is usually paired with peli, which makes blitz a bit weaker

[tropic tinsel]

You wouldn't download a car stay in with incin

[fathom token]

knock off should be enough, as if even with tera (which dengo's tera usually resists fire), it takes a big chunk of damage with knock off

[fathom token]

afhslafh

[tropic tinsel]

Just go arch there

Or amoong

[fathom token]

true

ok I'll give this team a try

[tropic tinsel]

Np

[errant merlin]

game's too fast paced to need it

its really not worth it

you can also run amoonguss who just sleeps everything in TR

and has pollen puff

[dense nebula]

Yeah, spore counters are too common where im at rn tho

Thats why ive got blunder/hypnosis

[errant merlin]

yeah i suppose

also look at this dumbass

i should put healing wish on my indeedee too

just for extra trolling

[errant merlin]

i just pout iron ball on my lunala

:D

i now outspeed ursaluna in TR

[dense nebula]

i dont think thats how ironball works...

[jovial creek]

It is

But that's pointless

Just don't set tr in the hands mu

[dense nebula]

ironball goes first in trickroom?

[jovial creek]

No it lowers your speed

[dense nebula]

i thought it makes you always go last

nvm i see my error

im thinking of lagging tail

[jovial creek]

Yep

Similar but not the same

[errant merlin]

does lagging tail make you go first in trickroom?

iron ball just halves speed and grounds you if you're flying

or have a ground immunity

with the exception of earth eater

[jovial creek]

No

[errant merlin]

yeah thats what i thought lol

its really funny though

because sometimess they try to put a really fast and really slow mon next to each other and now i outspeed the really slow mon

[untold relic]

Lagging Tail and similar items give you -0.5 priority

and something like Quick Claw / Quick Draw gives you +0.5 priority

Trick Room & Tailwind deal with 0 priority bracket

[errant merlin]

ah

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/d9ea4a2b008c5fb0

[random wagon]

thats a pretty basic team, but i dont think you really need tailwind

so you can run wide guard on pelipper

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/fe803039791d2a0a I have not played VGC in a while is there anything I need to change

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Protect>wide guard on peli and then trick over flash cannon on dengo

Could also go sitrus berry amoonguss

Team should work though

[soft nexus]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2258757228 that did NOT go well for him

yk I shoulda sucker punched the first turn dammit

[jovial creek]

Replays don't go here

[soft nexus]

everyone is posting them here

ik what you’re going to respond with

“Just because everyone else has been putting them here doesn’t mean you should too”

And that is true

but this game just sticks out to me

[random wagon]

you can just

post them in a different server 💀

[west glacier]

?

legit no one is bothered by that. itrs just more to talk about

[jovial creek]

You might be able to post them in one of the compgens but id only post games here if they are relevant to the team that's being rated

[soft nexus]

exactly

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/dfc571b0731bd665

[soft nexus]

why not chi yu over volc

If you want to keep volc go heat wave over flamethrower

also offensive bug moves just suck

[thorny aurora]

i wanted a more defensive pokemon, to burn other attacking pokemons with flame body and hold back some attacks

[tribal void]

if you want a more defensive pokemon, volc is fine, but you'll probably need to slot on way more bulk

heat wave like commie kid said is also better than flamethrower in almost every situation since you probably aint staying in on wide guard users like peliper anyways

[thorny aurora]

best?

[tribal void]

safety goggles or sitrus over lefties

since its bulk is still not great even with investemnt to warrent lefites

unless you plan to bring it with grassy terrain to make it 12.5% per turn

actually what am i yapping about safety goggles

your tera grass

for non tera grass sets safety goggles is an option

[soft nexus]

magmar. flame body isn’t always gonna activate so use willowisp magmar

w/eviolite

[tribal void]

if you want a reliable burner just go incin ngl

incin brings intimidate, knock off, fake out pressure, and an easy way to force teras out of the calyrexes

[tribal void]

also btw should probably invest more spdef bulk since you already have that +1 on switch in boosting defense

for zama

[west glacier]

Metagross Mega Sweep in GC. That fucker is so tanky

[frigid rose]

https://pokepast.es/1da66c580eb01ed2
Reg H team

[errant merlin]

normal gem sneasler?

why not sash or smth

[hollow scroll]

For a stronger fake out, but also trigger unburden. Plus Acrobatics does 110 with no item.

[errant merlin]

yeah but focus sash is more reliable

since you won't be OHKO'd esp with no defensive investment

i would personally slot on CC instead of fake out

[west glacier]

Yeah. I was thinking of running tera stellar tera blast on sneasler since I often get cucked by teras on the mons I want to counter.

Snt great tho since I always feel like missing fake out and mainly protect just sucks

[west glacier]

Debatable. Often focus saah doesn't trigger and u dont get unburden since anything just 2 hkos sneasler anyways.

[errant merlin]

i shot a literal 50 bp last respects into a sneasler once and it triggered sash

i was like "oh yeah ill chip this guy a bit" and i lost because i triggered sash like ???

how weak is sneasler

[west glacier]

Funnily enough sneasler cant do that to sneasler

Idk man. My worst matchup with my fav team(its not a good team but I like it) is Psyspam TR. My only mon that does shit into it is Metagross and maybe Ceruledge. If just resorted to clicking dire claw and begging something falls asleep.

Also need to think if I swap my Tera to stellar to ohko Archaludon cause my matvhup into pelipper and arch isnt that good without the ohko.

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/5d7ddc2269127da2
What are we saying? Ignore Teras.

Incin obviously bulk with a bit if dmg to threaten big dmg with super effective hits.

Monkey as a bulky pivot (HH will change to u-turn).

Bascu to fuck shit up and break screens vs grimmsnarl and to hit Amoonguss with fangs.

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

I don't like hydregion there

[west glacier]

Dengo for setup sweeps with clefable. Clefable with some dmg investments to support kills for hydreigon with Moonblast

[jovial creek]

And a lot of the items are weird

[west glacier]

The set is ass. It will change.

Or I swap it completely for dnite

[jovial creek]

Dnite is probably best

And then I'd say electabuzz>clefable

[west glacier]

I wouldnt say no.

[jovial creek]

Roseli hydregion, lefties clef, sitrus incin(kinda)

[west glacier]

Only if I go for dnite. Else I want unaware.

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[west glacier]

Googles clef sure but Id just opt to Tera grass.
Roseli is to just bait fairies.

[jovial creek]

But with goggles you don't have to tera

[west glacier]

Dozo counter.

[jovial creek]

That's what dnite can do

So i was saying if dnite gets added then go electabuzz over clefable

[west glacier]

But I miss out on a little bulk + Im not reliant on Tera on Hydreigon or Dengo as much.

[west glacier]

Was saying the same yes.

[jovial creek]

Yeah

Probably just mono scale shot dnite

Oh and go jet>fangs on basc

[west glacier]

Not yet. I wanna test first how bad I miss having priority.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/1247eca3e9d4e923 could i get some help refining this. im sure evs could be better spread out but not sure where, having some issues with stalling/preventing trickroom or dealing with sun teams using specs hisui typhlosion

[west glacier]

@dense nebula more special bulk sinsitcha tera water should just kill typhlosion

[dense nebula]

with what

they usually tera fire turn 1

[west glacier]

Or calc incin knock off dmg into ohko or to just kinimise dmg output

[jovial creek]

You have talon for typhlosion

Just brave bird

[dense nebula]

Its a defensive talon

Almost no points in attack

[jovial creek]

Should probably change evs then

[dense nebula]

alr

i'll mess with them ig

why does it keep changing to timid smh

this is max attack adamant

guess im using this

adamant max attack tera flying

[errant merlin]

nah not worth it imo

[west glacier]

@dense nebula all ur mons should take overheat comfortably with tera in some cases but you can just priority BB to cut the dmg big or prio TW into any other mons attack. They can only TW or set up sun not both

[errant merlin]

lead incin milotic if you really are scared of hyphlosion

[west glacier]

Why not? U have prio anyways on either tw or BB

[jovial creek]

You don't need to ohko

Just get it low

[dense nebula]

considering it wipes my entire team i'll do that

[errant merlin]

because its a fucking range and i hate those

[west glacier]

U just win with it. Cut dmg of eruption to basically a base flamethrowy. Then kill Whimsicott on the next turn. And ur other kon didnt do shit.

[errant merlin]

if you super super super dont want to deal with hyphlosion you can even click fake out into it to be super sure they dont get away with anything

[dense nebula]

unfortunately tera blast flying doesnt ohko

[errant merlin]

cuz if they tera fire then fake out works

and such

[dense nebula]

thats why i got cloak

atleast garantees me to get tailwind off

or taunt

[errant merlin]

i was saying

your side

if you lead incin milotic against a hyphjllosion

*hyphlosion wtf

you can fake out the hyphlosion to try and stop tera fire

[west glacier]

Doesnt matter. U juat cut the dmg and kill with ur other lead after taking 30 base dmg eruption.

[dense nebula]

assuming im playing bo3

they'll probably predict a fake out

[errant merlin]

counterpoint: what if they dont click eruption

[errant merlin]

yeah well switch it up every time

[west glacier]

I just dont tera fire infront of a fakout user and just sunny day Whimsicott to cut milotics dmg

[errant merlin]

if you want i can throw together a hyphlosion team rn to test

if you want to

[dense nebula]

sure ig

[west glacier]

? Its not a test tho

[errant merlin]

ill use a sample team too

cuz my teams all are mental insanity

[west glacier]

U kniw both ootions he has.

[errant merlin]

anyone have a sample hyphlosion team

[west glacier]

In no universe is incin and milotic tanking a full dmg eruption in the sun. A better option than talonflame and incin or who ever taking a 30 base eruption + recoil on Talonflame

[west glacier]

Yes

[errant merlin]

can i

dm it to me or just post it here

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/435b94d0d9aedcbb

[errant merlin]

thx

[dense nebula]

ima test smthn

[errant merlin]

k

when ur ready just send me a challenge

or i can send one to u

sent

@west glacier u want the replays

[west glacier]

Nah

[dense nebula]

again?

[errant merlin]

uhhhhh

my wifi is ass but sure

sent

@dense nebula

[fringe scarab]

https://pokepast.es/1902b897b241e6ab
So I’ve been having a lot of fun and pretty decent results with this team but I feel like something’s missing. Any team suggestions?

[west glacier]

@fringe scarab what is this for?

Cause it doesnt apply to any regulation that is running rn.

[fringe scarab]

Reg G. It’s an team I found online.

[fringe scarab]

I might be stupid. I’m realizing the issue now

[west glacier]

you uh should have one of the broken restricted mons on your team

this is a reg F(?) team

[fringe scarab]

I think I typed the wrong letter when I was looking up teams for ideas.

[west glacier]

nw

what restricted would u liek to use?

The top ones are Calyrex shadow or Ice, Miraidon and Zama

Kyogra, Groudon and Zacian right behind

Calys are the best best tho

Everything can work though, Lunala is a bit niche but good.

[fringe scarab]

I’m trying to think about what I would replace for it and then what would synergies best

[west glacier]

https://labmaus.net/tournaments/2490

WorldCup teams

Koommo bye

for Caly Ice would work as caly is solid in TR

[fringe scarab]

Cause Snorlax is kind of the point, Sinitcha sets trick room and heals, Landorus is good intimidate+damage support, iron hands gives fake out and damage, clef airy is just good support, and Kommo-o is the win condition if Snorlax isn’t a good matchup.

[west glacier]

Snorlax shouldnt be the main focus in a Reg G team. It should always be the Restricted mon. Snorlax isnt good in regulation G

Im in lLOL match now

[fringe scarab]

Then that would make me very screwed against any anti-TR or if I don’t set it up hence why Kommo-o was there.

[dense nebula]

Primarina @ Throat Spray
Ability: Liquid Voice
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 124 HP / 220 Def / 28 SpA / 132 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Alluring Voice
• Sing
• Helping Hand
• Hyper Voice
  think im gonna try this

[fringe scarab]

Maybe not focus but still a part

[dense nebula]

just found out alluring voice is affected by liquid voice so thats nice

could confuse gambit ig

[fringe scarab]

How should I build it? When your done with you match.

[jovial creek]

Why

Just go hyper voice moonblast haze protect

[jovial creek]

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024/worlds should have teams

It's a really complex pokemon to build around

[fringe scarab]

Thank you

[jovial creek]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/ should have evs

[fringe scarab]

Oh ok thank you

[soft nexus]

not zacian but koriadon

[fringe scarab]

Calyrex-Ice@Clear Amulet As One, Tera Type: Water. EVs: 252 HP/ 196 ATK/ 60 SpD with Brave nature and 0 Spe IVs. Glacial Lance, High Horsepower, Protect, (Another coverage move).

Is this a good Caly-I set?

[soft nexus]

uh maybe try trick room

[jovial creek]

Go trick room last

But yeah

[fringe scarab]

Got it

https://pokepast.es/693cdea3145bd357
Alright does anyone see any other suggestions?

[west glacier]

alluring voice is neutral on gambit tho?

fairy i mean

[west glacier]

both i guess

[errant merlin]

cc instead of drain punch but thaats up to preference

[west glacier]

zacian is fairy prominent rn

[errant merlin]

wwait

does iron hands even learn cc

yes it does

[west glacier]

no. you want drain punch cause it adds bulk.

CC cuts your bulk

[errant merlin]

fair

and also maybe volt switch over heavy slam but thats also preference

actually you have like 0 fairy counters

[fringe scarab]

Oh yeah you’re right. Beside heavy spam I’m screwed

[dense nebula]

becomes a water type

cuz its a sound based move

[tribal void]

wouldnt that make it useless since hyper voice is just better?

run moonblast

[dense nebula]

hyper voice gets blocked by wide guard

[tribal void]

is this reg g or h

cause reg h wide guard users dont exist at all besides gallade

[fringe scarab]

Are there any wide guard user in G? I assumed no

[jovial creek]

Good news is that the only good one is ohkod by cir!

[jovial creek]

There are a lot

Peli

Zama

Smeargle

[fringe scarab]

Thank god cause I did not have a backup plan.

[fringe scarab]

Noted

[west glacier]

wide guard isnt unpopular

cause of psyspam

pelipper, gallade are most common I feel

[west glacier]

yes but that doesnt change anything is my point

at least against KGB

[dense nebula]

A confused +2 gambit would deal a decent chunk to itself

Wrong reply

Sorry

[errant merlin]

mhm

[jovial creek]

?

It's because half the restricteds have a bs spread move

[errant merlin]

yeah

astral barrage, glacial lance

lando and thundy

sandsear storm/bleakwin sotrm

i use lunala personally so uhhhhhhhhhhhh idk

i kinda just sit and watch

[west glacier]

?im talking about Reg H

[fringe scarab]

Oh I was asking about G and you replied to me by mistake I think

[fringe scarab]

That was my first idea for a restricted Pokémon with Snorlax but it didn’t work out too well so I stopped. Might use it another time though cause now that I have a Snorlax team I like I’m gonna move in to another mid to bad competitive Pokémon that I like. Umbreon.

[errant merlin]

my team is also pretty conventionally

meh

i guess its got pretty good pokemon but the "synergy" is kinda weird

also im running memento choice specs chi yu so thats uh

a move that exists

[fringe scarab]

Certainly one of the moves that exist

[tribal void]

memento is a last ditch effort move that is "sometimes" used on choice sets if low and need to pivot

[jovial creek]

No it's not used

Don't run that

[soft nexus]

What is kgb? The Soviet secret police?

[west glacier]

Kingambit

[errant merlin]

killing gloves of boxing

[errant merlin]

im a funny

actually very helpful for forcing out a switch ngl

[jovial creek]

Or you could click heat wave and do 60 to both

[tribal void]

i say sometimes in quotations cause ive seen it once ever

so idk

[errant merlin]

was it against me lol

[errant merlin]

the incineroar in question

[jovial creek]

Still takes like 30

[fringe scarab]

I respect it

The rule of funny

[tribal void]

nope, i swore i saw that set while crusing through some ots of some day 2 players in some tournament forgot what it was

[errant merlin]

not worth it if i can force their main attacker to switch

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/3f9dfab242a297f2 Reg h vgc Sand team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

Looks really all over the place

[dense nebula]

yeah figured

havent made a sand team since gen 7 lmao

[jovial creek]

Normally sand teams pair with fast psyspam

Ttar exca indeedee sneasler dengo electabuzz maybe

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/bee2466c01e0c9fc so this @jovial creek

[jovial creek]

Maybe go clam exca

I don't like band because you want the coverage

[west glacier]

Wouldnt phrase it like that. The most of them run at least 2 of dengo, electa, sneasler but only 8 of 40 teams in the top500 ran psyspam stuff of any kind.
Its just a fairly common archetype of that comb.

[jovial creek]

I think it's the best way to run sand

Gives you flexibility

[west glacier]

Just saying that it isnt THE way to run sand as it sounded.
Many people play koommo as well

[dense nebula]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reghbo3-2259482062 replay if you need it

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/17d15a26c39ed9de

I like the combination with Annihilape in this team.

[jovial creek]

That's kinda just 2/2/2

[west glacier]

Yes

But with sand.

[jovial creek]

Yeah but i don't find that to be very consistent

[dense nebula]

first test i got a 2/0 but i didnt really use any sand

[jovial creek]

It's probably not coming to every mu and that's fine

[dense nebula]

think im gonna try sun/psyspam instead of sand/psyspam

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2259495542 i * think * it works

kind of a hybrid tr team ig

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/c83352fb2b19fb71

Calyrex-Shadow balance

[west glacier]

@ornate cloak neither happy with ogerpon EVs nor with Urshifu Speed. Why scarf it and than dont have it outspeed Calyrex shadow cause u dont go for max speed

[ornate cloak]

I got the set from the VGC server

[west glacier]

@ornate cloak which one?

[ornate cloak]

And uh, I didn't even know how Ogerpon-Fire works

[ornate cloak]

Smogon VGC the one with the Miraidon icon

[west glacier]

Can u send me an invite to that?

[ornate cloak]

https://discord.gg/HRWzwdz4

[west glacier]

As additional resource for me too.

Still disagree with the apeed though. Let me calc sth quick

[ornate cloak]

Should I maybe replace OgerponFire with Rillaboom

But then I don't have any redirection at all

[west glacier]

@ornate cloak I run basically the same team but with Rillaboom instead of bolt and a clefairy as redirection with after You to counter TR

[tribal void]

You dont really need to run after you

since you already have a lot of tools on hand to stop TR being set up(unless theres a follow me redirector)

with the fake out pressure from incin (replacing flare blitz for wisp will also pressure the calyI to tera then you can use urshifu), if you end up replacing hearthflame for rillaboom double fake out pressure is also good to stop the TR

it just depends on what calyI team it is

after you is a more dependable TR counter yes

[west glacier]

There always is with CIR so after you is reallllly good

I won half my games off of after you

[tribal void]

but protect is still a very reliable move that has won me many games as well

so 50/50 meh pick your poison

or just drop heal pulse for after you

actually

[west glacier]

Yeah

[tribal void]

yes should drop heal pulse for after you

then slot sitrus onto calys

unless people hate snarl bolt that much

also drop a lot of spatk

[west glacier]

Prot
After you
Follow Me
hh/dmg move

[tribal void]

for more bulk

dmg move is useless of clefairy

its like the smeargle problem

it sounds like it would help

but no

just deal with the fact that taunt is going to shut it down

[west glacier]

TDark

[tribal void]

still clefairy's spatk is pitifully low

[west glacier]

Is my solution. Never used tera water so Inswapped tondark.

Havent used that either but eh

[tribal void]

for calyI?

[west glacier]

I dont have a dmg move on my clef

[west glacier]

Clef

Caly is Ghost + Sash

[tribal void]

the tera type

oh

tera grass is the best set honestly

redirects spores

also just a quick note calys being ghost + sash is very abusable with stuff like priority and urshifu

unless you have some sort of priority blocking

thats why i dont like it personally

its still probably good if you know how to outplay tho

[west glacier]

It works really well. Clef carries tbh.

[fringe sandal]

https://pokepast.es/14de7f435d237246 first team I have made on my own grabbed a few wins with it sometimes feels good sometimes doesnt. I think I make a few misplays being new to VGC altogether.

[jovial creek]

Looks good

Although I did forget you need max speed for csr so do that

[west glacier]

Not necessarily but max speed is easier to maneuver. Sinxe you get dmg boosts with CM anyway u dont need max investment there and you dodge the necessity for Tailwind

[jovial creek]

I meant on urshifu

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/64525a53818b748b hoe's this team

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[west glacier]

@narrow dock wideguard over ID On Zama

+3 often isn't worth it in def. Wideguard gets so much value vs all good restricted mons except the "rideons"

+Genies

[narrow dock]

What about protect

[west glacier]

Also rethink pao move set. Only sucker punch as a dark move is risky. You dont need sacred sword. zama and urshifu provide fighting coverage

[west glacier]

BP, Heavy Slam/Behemoth Bash, Wide Guard>ID, Protect

[tough sleet]

https://pokepast.es/89450535fb18774f reg h

[thorny aurora]

icicle crash in chien pao

[west glacier]

^ yes forgot abt that
Icicle Crash is only an option though. Spinner removing terrain is good into indeedees that combo with Calyrex for spyspam or to cut Miraidons dmg without Rillaboom switch in.

Though it can get rud of your own grassy terrain

[west glacier]

Solid first glance

@tough sleet Rillaboom can be criticized. It doesnt life any fire attack in the sun.
Also expanding force on Armarouge with no Terrain is just wasted power.

And run calcs for important charizard hits. Maybe u can take away some points in offense for a little bulk.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/56ae34e6209e3e77
How about now

[west glacier]

@tough sleet + your team really profits from TW...at least Charizard does and armarouge with some speed would same for pory

Charizard isnt fast enough as ur only mon for outside of TR.
I feel like overall the team comb lacks synergies. Armarouge, Torkoal and Ursa want to be in TR. Rillaboom and Charizard dont.

Armarouge has expanding force and would like a psychic terrain(which also would be good for TR overall).

https://pokepast.es/50b541517f366b18

[jovial creek]

Looks good

[west glacier]

@tough sleet
Replaced Pory with Indeedee
You can replace Rilla with Jumpluff.

With Jumpluff you would play:
Zard + Torkoal lead
Protect + Overheat, eject pack into Jumpluff
Attack Zard + Tailwind Jumpluff

Best case

[jovial creek]

That's 7

[west glacier]

@narrow dock Priority on Urshifu CAN be a good option.
Stone Edge > Tantrum imo

[west glacier]

Yes. Jumpluff as OPTION for Rillaboom

U either tak jump or rilla

[jovial creek]

Rilla+indeedee is not it

[west glacier]

Thats why im suggesting Jumpluff

[tough sleet]

i would run incin over rilla in this set but im building this for a tournament thats banning types

[tough sleet]

also i have sun and tr mode for when i dont like zard into a matchup

[jovial creek]

We can't help then since its a metagame we don't have experience in

[tough sleet]

hm

[finite drum]

thoughts on zoom lens rotom wash

cause its slow and has stab hydro pump and thunder

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/bdb1677061a83158

[west glacier]

I feel like swapping rill out for jumpluff is just the best move

same for giving Armarouge Psychic Terrain through indeedee

as long as psychic is allowed

[jovial creek]

Agree

[jovial creek]

Looks good

You could try cloak volcarona

[thorny aurora]

im tera grass

a

covert cloak

[tough sleet]

its allowed

i think i can get away with keeping porygon2 as long as i dont run expanding force

[finite drum]

and it covers my flying, rock and fire weaknesses

[west glacier]

yeah u would. But psychic terrain is great with torkoal eruption

[finite drum]

crap

[west glacier]

cause u stop priority and keep torkoal full HP for the first Eruption

[west glacier]

what the rest of the team then?

[finite drum]

incin, breloom, rillaboom

all i got so far

trying out another breloom team

[west glacier]

why these?

[finite drum]

cause i thought grassy terrain bullet seed would be funny

[west glacier]

incin just beats that

incin dragonite just hard stomps it

idk im also very hard biased against breloom

[west glacier]

I think Primarina would just be better than rotom.

Covers Rock, Fire, Ground and Dragon(which u cant hit super effective yet)

Flying coverage isnt as important as dragon.

[finite drum]

more than happy to add primarina

if you cant tell

[finite drum]

by the pfp

[west glacier]

didnt even look at it ngl. just thought about a water mon for the core

[finite drum]

primarina was like my first starter

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/ab7805f224dbe38e

maybe like that and add a Tailwind setter probs

Pelipper, Dnite, Hydreigon or such

^Input please for this team

Made it a while back. Thought it was funny patched annihilape up a little.

[jovial creek]

Probably gets cooked if ape goes down since the team is pretty passive, a different hydregion set is probably better too

Maybe life orb

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/c47a7f1bea1b951e - changed a lil. Imma test if its ass. i have no idea

never played it

already noticed necessary changes

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2259945221

LOL

2-0

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2259947590

ignore the DP in the end lol

3-0

WTF?

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2259950787

its not even remotly hard to win

[errant merlin]

yeah

at least aearly on

[tribal void]

wide lens is better if planning on using population bomb on maushold since its too unreliable at 90% accuracy and defiant should always be on annhiliape

in order to stop incin from just walling that thing

well not wall

but ruin it

[west glacier]

legit said I changed a bunch that I noticed

lol

[tribal void]

ah im just ensuring that those right changes have been made

[west glacier]

i know that stuff. dw.

[tribal void]

also you should totally try smeargle in reg H

[errant merlin]

ngl

i ran own tempo instead of moody on my smeargle

jusy so my opponents could have more fun lmao

[tribal void]

the best part of smeargle is getting +2 speed 3 turns in a row

or living a rillaboom woodhammer cause your +6 def

[errant merlin]

i hate it

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/a05981247526786e

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tribal void]

how in the fuck do i stop kyogre teams with farigiraf or priority blockers to stop tailwind

theres not much room for my own tailwind user

and raging bolt dies to helping hand water spout

also idk if im doing something wrong

but i feel like its so not fun to play reg g

everything is so hyper offensive and theres little to no defensive play

this is what i feel like but i also think that something is off thats making me feel this way

[jovial creek]

Rillaboom

And bolt

[tribal void]

ig i just suck?

[jovial creek]

Kyogre is a hard mon to play into for newer players i think

Since it's damage output is just so crazy

[tribal void]

im not really a newer player

but ive never

been able to fully grasp the game fully

[jovial creek]

New to restricted formats?

[tribal void]

yep

[errant merlin]

use more offense

[tribal void]

but i played reg g before

[errant merlin]

at least thats how i do it

[tribal void]

but that was using koraidon

[errant merlin]

i use TR so i helping hand expanding force

and normally it just kills

[jovial creek]

The way to beat kyogre is to force it to click origin pulse

Since that move is 50% accurate

[errant merlin]

also if you're struggling with kyogre you might as well run thunder since they're setting up rain for you

do you outspeed kyogre with raging bolt?

[tribal void]

why would i

raging bolt is far too slow to invest that much speed

[errant merlin]

oh right kyogre is decently fast

nvm

im not really good with faster speed tiers since i just focus on TR

[tribal void]

my problem is that i usually deal with it using priority and players often just are able to juggle around rillaboom until it gets too chipped down

[jovial creek]

You don't need to use priority

Rillaboom should smack it pretty well

[tribal void]

but then theres the gamble sometimes of does the torn stay in and click bleakwind + ice beam or is it farigiraf/tsareena switching in to block priority and stuff

[jovial creek]

Raging bolt forces them to account for it but yeah that is a thing

[tribal void]

idk i think i just havent fully grasped the fundamentals yet

[jovial creek]

Could be

[tribal void]

but it feels like its hard to learn them

[jovial creek]

Practice helps with that

Id also recommend watching old wolfe videos

Where he recaps tournaments

[tribal void]

thx for the info

been feeling very stagnant in terms of progression recently

[jovial creek]

That's normal

Keep working

[errant merlin]

i play like an idiot and it works trolololol

but seriously

most people cover for plan a or plan b and i choose plan c

[thorny aurora]

https://pokepast.es/d65a095af8732791

[finite drum]

https://pokepast.es/81ea3e7bc1b99739

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[finite drum]

i probably need another beat up mon

cause idk if i can soley rely on maushold for that

[errant merlin]

why not just run archaludon

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/2ad47f8618532b77

Felt like using Terapagos (Reg G)

Not sure what weather to run on Torn, if any, so Rain Dance is filler but might not be idk lmao

[finite drum]

i absolutely refuse to run archaludon

i dont wish facing archaludon on my worst enemy

🙏

plus i like mudsdale

[errant merlin]

oh

fair enough

[tribal void]

well depends is mystic water used for specific calcs outside of rain or not

depends if you want scarf or safety goggles for urshifu

if mystic water was slapped on just because you have rain dance for filler

try out scarf or safety goggles without rain and with icy wind or scary face

or protect just to add longevity to torn

[sleek laurel]

Bet ty

Already got protect

Didnt think abt the item

[thorny aurora]

good?

[tribal void]

sash urshifu should always be jolly, only scarf uses adamant. why the tera fighting as well? Flutter mane without shadow ball is a bit iffy, recomend it over trick room and to drop either taunt or icy wind for protect since flutter is frail

rillaboom would also appreciate a more defensive tera

and ogerpon evs could definetly use some work

i feel like glide is basically a sd only move since its still only like 71.5 base power or smthing like that after grassy terrain boost

[jovial creek]

That shifu part isn't even true

Sash Adamant won worlds