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soft nexus
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Try pop bomb on maushold

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also, add basculegion over gholdengo. Basculegion is absurdly broken in rain

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“kingambit” oh yeah Tera or aqua jet is not letting that happen

dense nebula
narrow dock
west glacier
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Also Custap can be funny on snorlax

jovial creek
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This is really solid, I dont see anything to change but you can send something here/ping me if you have any tough matchups

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Don't run boots volcarona, Covert cloak is better. Protect is also better than Swords Dance on snessler since you don't have much bulk or a Focus Sash. For serperior, it's a hard mon but id recommend just going 252/252 if you are running focus Sash

west glacier
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@finite drum since your team struggles vs dragon I can recommend a Tera Fairy Tera Blast Volcarona set:
Tera Blast
Heat Wave/Giga Drain/Bug Buzz
Quiver Dance
Protect

Hits really hard on dragons.

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Also since your team is pretty weak to flying and fire you could go with rain archaludon for your last mons.
Pelipper + Archaludon

Pelipper with Covert Cloak Tera Stellar
Tailwind
Weather Ball
Hurricane
Protect

Archaludon with either Power Herb or AV
-Electro Shot
-Dragon Pulse/Flash Canon/Thunder Bolt/Draco Meteor
-Protect/Snarl

Just p8ck 2 from the 4.
Snarl is for the AV build.

jovial creek
west glacier
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Pelipper without sash isnt as great cause it dies so easily but it will still ge tthe rain up.

jovial creek
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Try scale shot dnite

west glacier
jovial creek
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Id add basculegion+dnite lasts

west glacier
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@jovial creek qhat would be ur final 6?

jovial creek
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Basc dnite volc rilla serp sneasler

narrow dock
drifting onyxBOT
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jovial creek
narrow dock
jovial creek
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I'm not sure how much special attack arboliva has but either energy ball or giga Drain

chrome panther
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and is there a replacement for urshifu? (used in double ubers)

west glacier
errant merlin
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run assault vest on archaludon IMO and replace urshifu with another support pokemon

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(maybe amoonguss)

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maushold also works with focus sash

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if you wwant to play into the body press archaludon gimmick

finite drum
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also i need some flying coverage

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im very weak to flying rn

plush pollen
drifting onyxBOT
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finite drum
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cause it covers ice, flying, and fire weaknesses

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and grass covers its 4x ground and water weaknesses

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idk if it synergies with anything though

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also added scale shot dragonite

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tera fairy

finite drum
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i mean to put grass tera on volc

modern timber
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whats the best belly drum mon currently

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i was thinking of progging wolfe's snorlax belly drum sinistcha set

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i tried it in sd and it seemed to work consistently

finite drum
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i literally just ran into a tera ghost snorlax paired with mimikyu who cause of disguise sets up trick room

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and swept me

modern timber
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sinistcha is a really good support cause it can use rpowder and tr

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and also has good health regen capabilities with matcha gotcha

finite drum
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yeah

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very insane pair tbh

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also azumarill is a good belly drum user in my opinion

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but also i don’t know alot of competitive mons

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also since it has aqua jet

dense nebula
finite drum
west glacier
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@finite drum what Elo is this at?

west glacier
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Have a really good Lax team in SD

dense nebula
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yeah i edited it an hour ago. just didnt paste it here

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1s

west glacier
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Strat with Custap:
T1
Rage Powder Sinistcha/Follow Me Indeedee
Belly Drum Snorlax

T2
Rock Slide with Snorlax(Tera Rock) + Custap Berry Proc gives you Prio
Trick Room with Sinkstcha/Indeedee
Sweep with TR team against best case only 2 opponents

dense nebula
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i'll try custap berry out

west glacier
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Idk who created the team but CybertronVGc showcased it on YT

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Is fun cause it also used scyther as a niche

dense nebula
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i made murkrow -1 with 0 speed ivs so its useable in tr for foul play

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only other options are maus and gholdengo and they're well over 150 speed so...

west glacier
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U can only bring 4 mons anyway

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Good to have 1 that works out side with you

dense nebula
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right

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so

Sinistcha
Snorlax
Murkrow
Annihilape

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or for tailwind
Murkrow maus gholdengo annihilape

west glacier
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Like that

dense nebula
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anni gets about 170 speed w/ tailwind

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so its useable

west glacier
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But id prolly rather bring Annihilape or Gholdengo instead of Murkrow cause murkrow juat doesnt do ahit if it doesnt hit super effective

dense nebula
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for tailwind?

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because they both use anni

west glacier
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Dengo > murkrow

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Sry

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Dengo just best case when TR is over

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As late game sweeper in the TR mode

dense nebula
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alr

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might go specs then

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instead of nasty plot

finite drum
west glacier
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The Showdown game.

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Or was it unrated match?

jovial creek
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And tera normal espeed harc

finite drum
tranquil nova
west glacier
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@tranquil nova i wouldnt use ho oj as ur 1 restricted ir isnt really good.

jovial creek
west glacier
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@tranquil nova why is ut Torn Tera Normal Mental Herb?

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Genuinely asking.

jovial creek
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Taunt and Astral Barrage

west glacier
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Just go Tera Dark

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Covers both

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Ans give him cover cloak to avoid Fake out flinches

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Urs works too but u are vulnerable to fake out

jovial creek
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Torn just doesn't fit there

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If you do use ho-oh it should be with other bulky mons

tranquil nova
tranquil nova
west glacier
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Play what is fun for you. Im just saying what I think/ what was fact in the past.
Imo anything can be made to work decently.

tranquil nova
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nah i agree with you ik ho-oh has never been strong

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i defintely want to play umbreon

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im just not sure what restricted works best

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ik groudon can be nice with the sun for moonlight but i dont like groudon

jovial creek
tribal void
drifting onyxBOT
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jovial creek
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Probably go rock slide somewhere on groudon

tribal void
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why slide

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wouldnt it be too weak

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75 base power spread move with no stab

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ig thunder punch is the same coverate

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besides peliper

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i feel like beating out peliper is important

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for groudon

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also is there like any good methods to stop a calyI from setting up tr

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ive thought about imprison tr on flutter

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the problem is with farigiraf blocking priority taunt

west glacier
jovial creek
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Zacian umbreon got t4 at a regional

west glacier
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@jovial creek 3rd yeah

jovial creek
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Yeah

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And day 2 of worlds

west glacier
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But other than that

jovial creek
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Wdym other than that

west glacier
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Its just been outside of that it hasnt made too 20

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Top

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2 T36 at yworlds is pretty ok tho

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Considering that the rest is Calyrex

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Specifically with Umbreon it has good synergies as these 2 show.

quick isle
west glacier
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@quick isle 1st step to change that would be to take away Amoonguss SpA EVs and spread them into both his defenses. He can eat ip a bit of dmg that would hit your frail damage dealers with rage powder

chrome panther
west glacier
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@quick isle then you have the option to make ursaluna bulky instead of fast with Assault Vest and defensive investments instead of speed

jovial creek
jovial creek
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you could add indeedee-M

west glacier
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Yes I know

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But he says he dies to fast.

quick isle
jovial creek
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thats how hyper offense works

west glacier
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So It would be an option

jovial creek
west glacier
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Yes. But he isnt happy with it and looking for either solves or changes. Its a change to get more bulk as a trade of for fast dmg.

jovial creek
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because I'm sure there are better options

jovial creek
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its better to go full offensive

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its a balance mon

west glacier
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Yes i am aware.

quick isle
jovial creek
quick isle
jovial creek
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well you have coverage for dragons

quick isle
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I dont think I can hit water types or ground types without it

west glacier
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Yep

stiff cosmos
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What are the best restricteds? Is it just Caly?

tribal void
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mirai

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zacian is kind of decent

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koraidon has potential, but a lot of drawbacks(totally not biased)

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and kyogre makes the rare appearance here and there

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pagos is also good iirc

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zama is also still around for its very good matchups into restricteds like zacian, pagos, and caly I

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i think its good into calyI

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probably is

finite drum
jovial creek
jovial creek
finite drum
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okay

finite drum
tribal void
drifting onyxBOT
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tribal void
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also

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peliper evs are cut and dry

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cause i still have to scope out speed tiers for the metagame

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since its been ages since i last played restricted

jovial creek
tribal void
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ive always had a lot of trouble outplaying calys with tera fairy dkiss sets

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but those have gone down in populatrity

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and i hope wide guard will help solve some issues

jovial creek
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As long as you outplay it's fine but that's kinda weird advice

tribal void
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yeah

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but thats just the case with calys

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its only got soft checks

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never full answers

finite drum
tribal void
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i believe detect blocks imprison

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thats about it

jovial creek
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Detect bypasses imprision mons with protect

brave patrol
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https://pokepast.es/ee4ee836739ffd6e tried making a team for reg h vgc for the first time, any suggestions on what the teams lacking and what I should change would be greatly appreciated 🙏

jovial creek
brave patrol
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alright fair enough, ty for the advice

thorny aurora
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im still going to put the EVs in

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(Regulation H)

west glacier
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Yes

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@thorny aurora

sonic wind
oblique fractal
west glacier
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@oblique fractal you can work on your EVs. 252 is often overkill to achieve specifc step stones. Check where you can take dmg away and add bulk.

oblique fractal
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I just did the showdown recommended EV's, but yeah, I can work on that. Any other recommendations?@west glacier

errant merlin
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why clear smog on tork

oblique fractal
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Dondozo

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And I've lost one too many times to wacky set ups

errant merlin
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why not run it on something else

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what is vika doing on this team, is it anti rain

oblique fractal
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My team pretty much auto losses to rain without it, wide guard pelliper and all that

errant merlin
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uh, what rain archetypes specifically

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arch + pelipper or basculegion + pelipper

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also charcoal really isnt worth it on torkoal, you might as well run specs

oblique fractal
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It's not even the other guy, both are reasonably dealt with by gallade and hatterene respectively

errant merlin
oblique fractal
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But pelliper is just bulky enough with wide guard to shut me down

oblique fractal
errant merlin
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oh

oblique fractal
errant merlin
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and you just switch out

oblique fractal
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But I'm locked into eruption, no? Bc after a bit of chip damage, it doesn't do a lot

errant merlin
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i guess

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but if set up right you wont take damage lol

oblique fractal
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Easier said than done, especially without protect....

errant merlin
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i recommend running heat wave over clear smog

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or just protect over clear smog

oblique fractal
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I guess

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Thanks for the feedback! I'll give offense torkoal a trt

errant merlin
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you dont have to run both expanding force and psychic

oblique fractal
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Oh! That's for wide guard!

errant merlin
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ah

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i was gonna say something like exp. force and dazzling gleam

oblique fractal
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That way, I don't get hard walled by wide guard

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And I've rarely done super effective with fairy moves

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Gallade and Vika usually can clean up pesky dark types before they become an issue

errant merlin
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what about dragon types

oblique fractal
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I'm doing nuke-tier damage

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Imo, dragon types are pretty meh in VGC

errant merlin
oblique fractal
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Besides Arch

errant merlin
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archaludon

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oh LOL

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dragapult/dragonite are both pretty meta threats too

oblique fractal
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Meh, I can usually take care of them

errant merlin
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but then again

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i am your worst enemy

oblique fractal
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Especially if nite even dares to tera, hehe

errant merlin
oblique fractal
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Idk, I didn't even think rain was good rn

errant merlin
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i find putting your weather setup in the back is good

oblique fractal
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But I keep seeing it pop up slowly but surely

errant merlin
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because then they dont want to switch their weather setter in

oblique fractal
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Rain might just be coming back because sun + psy spam is pretty dominating rn

errant merlin
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and you can play mindgames with that(my basculegion is supposed to be terrible out of rain cuz its swift swim, but it just didnt switch out and got a free ko)

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cuz they thought i was gonna switch

oblique fractal
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Annnyways, I'll go try it out! I'll set ya know how it goes

errant merlin
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cool

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i made this reg G team in like 5 minutes with 0 prior experience

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other than a few videos

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soooooo

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(the evs are blank on purpose i just havent done them yet)

drifting onyxBOT
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tribal void
errant merlin
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no supercell slam because

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rng

tribal void
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better to use it as a coaching + wide guard supporter

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cause of its speed with booster energy

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supercell slam sucks anyways

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its not worth the risk

errant merlin
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lol

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the only mon i really need help eving is lunala

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i want it to beat shadow caly but

tribal void
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lunala is usually ran with TR as well

errant merlin
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i am realizing

tribal void
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tailwind TR is not a worthwhile combo in reg g

errant merlin
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lunala is too slow to outspeed shadow caly but too fast to outspeed ice caly

tribal void
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too fast paced

errant merlin
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😭

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what if i ran room service

tribal void
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lunala is usually wide guard moongeist beam meteor beam tr

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wide guard gives it some stability against calys

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talon and clefairy are the only mons that stick out

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base ursa or ursabm is usually on these teams as a tr sweeper

jovial creek
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but I think you are trying to use lunala wrong, its more of a balance mon

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or on dedicated psyspam

solar hearth
jovial creek
# solar hearth https://pokepast.es/5a9a9ec8ddfd5e10 first team or something idk

first, you have double safety goggles, sinistcha doesn't need safety goggles since its a grass type so I'd change that to sitrus berry
hatterene should have trick room over play rough since its a slow special attacker, life orb over babiri berry and expanding force over psychic
Indeedee-F should have psychic surge over synchronize

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and thats it for obvious things

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oh wait add protect over crunch on ursaluna so you can activate flame orb

solar hearth
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aight ty i'll try it out

jovial creek
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lmk if you run into any rough matchups

solar hearth
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im new

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also just a question

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would it be possible to build this team on cartridge if the only other switch pokemon game i have is LGP

jovial creek
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if you can find someone to trade you an ursaluna

solar hearth
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forgot to mention what game i have, violet

solar hearth
jovial creek
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only in legends arceus

solar hearth
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damn

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eh can't be too hard

errant merlin
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oopa

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im swapping talon with indeedee

thorny aurora
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What is a good teratype for this gholdengo?

jovial creek
thorny aurora
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alr

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thanks

solar hearth
jovial creek
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The people there can at least point you the right way

west glacier
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Or flamethrower

west glacier
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Resisted Flamethrower without Tera should do almost the same as neutral Earth Power

oblique fractal
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Prankster taunt? It's psychic terrain?

west glacier
west glacier
oblique fractal
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I guess so, follow me shenanigans are always possible

solar hearth
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i like having my trick room appliers be ok attackers

west glacier
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EVs on lvl 50 only give you a stat point every 8 EVs(except for the first4)

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Always need eva divisible by 8

solar hearth
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ah

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wait level 50?

west glacier
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Wait no

solar hearth
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isn't OU level 100

west glacier
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Your evs when subtracted by 4 ahould be divisible by 8

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For lvl 50 maxes. For hundred it should be divisible by 4

west glacier
solar hearth
west glacier
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Also all suggestions you got were based on the assumption that you play VGC which is a doubles format

solar hearth
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i don't see any vgc filter on showdown though

west glacier
solar hearth
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even with all my pokemon at level 100 it says my team is valid for reg h

west glacier
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Yes. They will automatically be scaled down.

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and ev maximization for lvl 50(since they have overall less stats) requires 8 EV points for one stat point. Except for the first 4 EVs given. They give you 1 stat point already.

solar hearth
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gholdengo make it rain just one shot both indeedee and ursaluna what the fuck

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DUDE IT KEEPS ONE SHOTTING

tough sleet
errant merlin
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shit i forgot urshifu is allowed again

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knew i was missing something

tough sleet
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😭

errant merlin
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yeah LOL

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i did not account for bro

tribal void
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its sword of ruin doesnt affect the body press from zama

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and lowers the opponents defenses

west glacier
ornate cloak
tribal void
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also calys might want to drop some spatk for speed

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as since its so fast

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staying the fastest is important

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a lot of calys on ladder will always be max speed as well

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thats about it

ornate cloak
tribal void
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fair

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with mirai around

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and peliper

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ghost is good to get rid of fake out pressure and urshifu

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while grass makes you knock off proof

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from being affected with spore

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but dragon is overall a better defensive type

ornate cloak
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Yh

ornate cloak
tribal void
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do you plan on playing this in a higher level/ladder, then its probably very good

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if its low-mid ladder

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probably will be outsped

ornate cloak
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I mean

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I'm tryna climb ladder rn

tough sleet
ornate cloak
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Tbh if my opponent does end up setting tailwind, I can js trickroom

tribal void
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its not tailwind problem

ornate cloak
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Other Calyrex as well

tribal void
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yep

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they're mostly max speed

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in lower ladder

ornate cloak
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Ye

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And I js lost Calyrex to a choice scarf Mewtwo

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Low ladder is fun

thorny aurora
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is it good for reg g?

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i was thinking about putting a scarf on chi yu to pass calyrex shadow

ornate cloak
drifting onyxBOT
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jovial creek
jovial creek
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^by it i mean the team

thorny aurora
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alr

thorny aurora
jovial creek
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It kinda does but I don't really like Flutter mane chi yu on miraidon teams since you already have so much special offense

ornate cloak
jovial creek
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For anti tr calyrex and fake out cycling should work

ornate cloak
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True

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Idk, I mean Farigiraf does really well into trickroom teams, if they do set it up, especially with tspray and the ability to reverse tr

thorny aurora
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better?

finite drum
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what are some good support pokemon in trick room

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(reg H)

west glacier
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My mission of makeing miraidon sad has finally begun

random wagon
thorny aurora
narrow dock
finite drum
west glacier
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@finite drum he thought he couldnt stop the sweep.

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@narrow dock tera darm torn

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What did u ev for on urshifu?

finite drum
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probably

thorny aurora
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good for regulation h?

west glacier
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@thorny aurora its decent but you have no coverage for Water, Ground and Flying types. You will have a hard time into Tera Flying Kingambit as well as Rain teams and Garchomp aince you can only hit him for auper effective with Dragonite.
ou have overall solid mons though with standard movesets that are good.

sonic wind
# narrow dock https://pokepast.es/68c17ca53cbde459 how's this

Specs Ogre needs Giraffe/Tsareena, Fake Out owns it too hard. Id personally do it over Flutter.
Id also drop Protect on Torn for Rain Dance to ensure you keep your weather. Ladder loves Groudon and Koraidon from what Ive seen.
Not the biggest fan of Bolt but its probably fine

west glacier
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Ladder loves Calyrex

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And Miraidon

tribal void
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https://pokepast.es/a37a3f43a6dddaa8 any idea for possible urshifu item? also no, i will not be using psychic terrain. Expanding force on calys is just a filler move that can be used against opponent psyspam teams

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tribal void
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i was thinking to move around scarf chi yu, but ive been liking scarf

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also ive been thinking of dropping spiky shield from smeargle for follow me since i dont end up using spiky shield very often due to urshifu

flat ice
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this is my first pyspam team so I would love some guidance

tribal void
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Usually whimsicott is the tailwind setter of choice for psywind due to whim’s immunity to spore and fairy typing

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Thats all I got for now

flat ice
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👍

jovial creek
tribal void
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Really?

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I mostly see whim used

thorny aurora
stiff cosmos
west glacier
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@stiff cosmos since you have nicked your Magnezone I assume you wont be willing to switch it but Jolteon does a similar ting but he has priority mostly due to a high base speed

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@thorny aurora defent team in first glance. Maybe add Snarl onto Archaludon to give ut more longevity on the special side

west glacier
stiff cosmos
west glacier
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@stiff cosmos do.u tera it often?

stiff cosmos
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Only if I’m up against Incin or something that can OHKO it and also threaten whatever else I can send out

west glacier
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Maybe swap out tera blast for a stab attack

stiff cosmos
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Like Flash Cannon?

west glacier
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Tbh you cant hit archaludon for super effective on the special side

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But i dont really see an immediate solution so.

west glacier
stiff cosmos
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What about Farigiraf. Personally the set is kinda garbage

west glacier
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Only paychic is goofy

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@stiff cosmos are u using TR as ur speed control?

stiff cosmos
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I was planning to but I barely ever click it

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Mainly use Dave and his Thunder Wave

tribal void
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since sash, scarf, and goggles are taken

thorny aurora
west glacier
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@tribal void orb too

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Calys

tribal void
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yeah

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only option really is mystic

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but mystic kinda sucks on non rain teams

west glacier
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@thorny aurora why so much speed invests on your Seal?

thorny aurora
west glacier
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@thorny aurora idk. Hiw often do u set trick room up?

thorny aurora
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but im using it a lot when im playing

west glacier
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LIL close

thorny aurora
west glacier
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Basculegion will and Pelipper will trouble you here.

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Dnite is ur best bet there cause he can wall them a bit and KO with scale shot

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Also Fake Tears Whimsicott is a great combo with gholdengo if you feel like you can give up taunt or encore

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I would maybe give up Annihilape for a counter to rain teams. He really shines with AV and Beat up strats which u arent running here. fast annihilape just isnt as great.

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Could use Empoleon to wall them and keep the nature of an intimidate counter

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@thorny auroraOr rotom wash to just wall them and retaliate

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Rotom-Wash
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Thunderbolt
  • Hydro Pump
  • Will-O-Wisp
  • Protect
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sum like dat

narrow dock
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i have a question

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does stomping tantrum double if the 1st time i used it on a flying/levitate pokemon

flat ice
west glacier
drifting onyxBOT
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west glacier
west glacier
fringe scarab
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Ok so I just learned today that in January we’re going to something called regulation G with one restricted Pokémon but I only have one regulation H team and nothing else. So I am now asking for help with the new format. I’m open to ANY suggestions EXCEPT GETTING RID OF SNORLAX. I’m open to any other ideas cause I desperately need help.

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Please and thank you

errant merlin
fringe scarab
errant merlin
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shadow caly plays into its high speed, ice caly runs TR

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terapagos is something inbetween

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and mostly runs tera stellar tera starstorm i believe?

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also the fucking bears are back...

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urshifu is very strong, cuz of unseen fist

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you should most likely have one on ur team unless it just doesnt fit in well with your team dynamic

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personally, i like lunala so im using them

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but lunala has a pretty bad matchup into shadow caly cuz its 4x weak(shadow shield exists but still)

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if you really wanna know you can watch some regulation F videos

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the 2 regulations are nearly identical i believe

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1 restricted, legendaries are allowed

fringe scarab
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Ok thank you I really appreciate the help

soft nexus
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Zacian has been irrelevant for some time

past harbor
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Zacian is still usable

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But just so much more ass than before

errant merlin
errant merlin
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i guess you can use indeedee or pelipper or smth but its gonna be hard to find a way to slot both on

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you can use their weather against them with paradox pokemon

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but good lukc with that tbh

fringe scarab
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Yeah I had a feeling my usual snorlax tactics wouldn’t work. Well thanks for the help. Time to go test some bs out

soft nexus
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and he said zacian was meta

errant merlin
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mb

errant merlin
soft nexus
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shit was a menace in gen 8

errant merlin
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mhm

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they nerfed it hard but like its still "useable"

soft nexus
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it was like the “fuck you” button to xerneas

errant merlin
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so that just goes to show how mental it was

errant merlin
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its still around right

soft nexus
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Xerneas isn’t in gen 9

errant merlin
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oh right

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forgor

vast vessel
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might as well be

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Z-A is around the corner

errant merlin
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(if you couldnt tell i dont have the game)

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i njust play on showdown

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and do stupid shit

soft nexus
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Who knows maybe in a future gen xerneas will become popular and zacian will rise again

errant merlin
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hell no i do NOT want a rise of zacian

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bro has had too much power

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xerneas too

soft nexus
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who’s worse: xerneas or zacian

errant merlin
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uhhhh probably xerneas

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just because it's been around for so long and hasnt been nerfed yet afaik

soft nexus
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be grateful for the sword doggo

errant merlin
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zacian was a menace for 1 gen and then just got obliterated

soft nexus
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hell even zamazenta did wayyy better than zacian

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And zamazenta was worse than zacian AND got the same nerf

errant merlin
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tru

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but with the new gen there was a new niche ti fill

past harbor
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Lmao

soft nexus
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I guess the only reason zamazenta got popular was because of terapagos

errant merlin
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yes

past harbor
past harbor
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Calyrex-shadow and calyrex-ice

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And zamazenta was an excellent wide guard user

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And the best idef bp user

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Amazing defensive typing and stats

errant merlin
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zacian has

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better typing arguably?

soft nexus
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because you don’t need to use a restricted

past harbor
past harbor
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But still

soft nexus
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Calyrex s

past harbor
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Peli is good too

soft nexus
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Better matchup

errant merlin
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doesnt zacian learn sacred sword?

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or smth

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wait

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lemme check the movepool

past harbor
soft nexus
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calyrex s is faster

past harbor
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Tldr

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Terapagos isn’t the main reason zama usage is high

soft nexus
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It is?

past harbor
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If you don’t believe me, go ask around

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It’s one reason, but not the biggest.

soft nexus
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what is the biggest?

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btw close combat from urshifu only does 92%

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and starstorm does higher

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it ohkos

west glacier
west glacier
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Zama is totally fine running wideguard. You only need body press and heavy slam.

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Additionally you can run a stronger legendary in place of pelipper. He has his place on non Zama and Lunala teams.

ornate cloak
drifting onyxBOT
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errant merlin
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and sacred sword

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wtf why did it send now

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ah whatever

tribal void
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besides zama never runs idef

errant merlin
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idef
?

tribal void
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these days

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mostly because of the chien pao + zama combo

tribal void
errant merlin
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oh

tribal void
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zama's +1 on switch in is already good enough

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picks up a lot of 2hkos and ohkos

errant merlin
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no i need my +4 defense

tribal void
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lmao

errant merlin
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+6

tribal void
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+3 and +5 are both all so redicuously overkill its so funny

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not because they ohko everything

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its because how easy tera ghost incin walls it

errant merlin
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lmao

tribal void
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or any ghost type

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since it runs heavy slam

errant merlin
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what is the set

tribal void
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calys doesnt actually run from it often

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heavy slam, body press, wide guard, protect

errant merlin
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idef, heavy slam, body press, wide guard

tribal void
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for zama

errant merlin
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trolling

tribal void
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calys only makes heavy slam 60bp

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i think

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or at least heat crash from gouging is 60

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zama's probably heavier

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but

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its light enough so that a -1 will make it take not a lot

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just wondering

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if anyone has any tips (no psychic terrain eforce is filler move) since sometimes when i do play this team it feels off

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i dont know if its the urshifu not being fast enough

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or i just suck

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or its the double fire+dark typing

west glacier
tribal void
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That’s like the only application of bash sadly

cedar cedar
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Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 8 SpA / 44 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Spore
  • Pollen Puff
  • Protect
  • Substitute

Meowstic @ Aguav Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature

  • Skill Swap
  • Fake Out
  • Psychic
  • Energy Ball

Incineroar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Atk / 32 Def / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Fake Out
  • U-turn
  • Flare Blitz
  • Knock Off

Gholdengo @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Nasty Plot

Kingambit @ Focus Sash
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Sucker Punch
  • Kowtow Cleave
  • Iron Head

Dragonite @ Life Orb
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Extreme Speed
  • Protect
  • Fire Punch
  • Ice Spinner

Team based around giving Amoongus prankster

tribal void
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And even with bash, at -1 it’s still a wet noodle

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Please put your evs into a poke paste

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Much more compact

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And it doesn’t flood out all the other messages

cedar cedar
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How do I do that?

tribal void
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On showdown in team builder while editing your team if you scroll down it should show you a upload to pokepaste option

cedar cedar
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And how do I put it in here?

tribal void
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Just copy the link

cedar cedar
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Alright…

tribal void
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Slot protect on gholdengo and drop rocky helmet

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Ghold doesn’t like to take hits

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And helmet is mostly for mons that redirect

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Or take a lot of hits

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Amoongus should have some sort of Tera type

cedar cedar
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I just put it on because I couldn’t think of anything else

tribal void
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Like water

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Drop life orb from dnite

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And put it on ghold

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Dnite hits hard already in reg h

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Loaded dice sets are good, Lum is good sometimes and banded is used sometimes as well

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Life orb just cuts too much into dnite bulk

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And it barely needs the boost

cedar cedar
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What should I swap out for protect on Ghold?

tribal void
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Dgleam

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You already have a spammable stab spread move

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That hits all the dragons hard

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Besides arch

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Which sb hits it harder

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Also

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Amoongus hates misty terrain (which isn’t very common but if a hard counter to the strat) and psychic terrain is very common and also blocks this stray

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Strat

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That’s just something to note

cedar cedar
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Dragonite has Ice Spinner

tribal void
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Oh ok

cedar cedar
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So it gets rid of terrain

tribal void
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If it’s ice spinner

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I recommend assault vest or lum as an item

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Also watch out

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Since a lot of mons like incin or gambit run goggles

cedar cedar
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Gave it Lum since Incin already has vest, as well as knock off

tribal void
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You might want to slot on a counter or check for them like sneasler

cedar cedar
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Swap gambit?

tribal void
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Possibly

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The gambit if you were to keep it, I suggest to slot protect to scout for moves into it and drop Sash for black glasses

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Gambits only use for sash is cc

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Or eruption

cedar cedar
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Have to go. My class is about to start. Thanks for the tips!

tribal void
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Np

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This is a rates thread after all

west glacier
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No im not adding Kingambit

dense nebula
west glacier
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Give Ursaluna Max Speed Max Spatk and it outspeeds anything under TR

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that isnt scarfed

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you only have 2 mons that are decent in TR and 1 that does damage under TR.

dense nebula
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why max speed

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its max w/ timid is like 114

fringe scarab
errant merlin
fringe scarab
west glacier
fringe scarab
west glacier
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ting lu does the same. just better

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and viable is kinda a lie

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but like...can be funny. or just use him as a counter into calyrex S

west glacier
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which doubles its speed. And outspeed everyone.

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Tailwind also has decent synergy with the rest of ur team

west glacier
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Also just looking at the team...i feel like ur coverage is bad. but can look at it later a bit more exact

errant merlin
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i

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hate

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rng

dense nebula
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These 4 seem to be working fine

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fringe scarab
fringe scarab
fringe scarab
west glacier
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gale wings

errant merlin
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if not then gale wings

west glacier
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nah gale wings always better.

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u want to gurantee TW

errant merlin
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oh right tailwind is flying type

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💀

tribal void
drifting onyxBOT
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tribal void
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maybe a wrong mix of mons

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or overlapping typings

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i have no idea

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but it just feels weird to play

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it might be because the team looks like it wants to be offence, but there's an incineroar there

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just asking for opinions here

soft nexus
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And also you have smeargle

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lol decorate smeargle gets walled by amoonguss

tribal void
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i dont like the other option

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theres tera fairy dkiss which is only for np sets

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or theres tera ghost and send it all but no coverage to boot

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or tera normal

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and 3 moves

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tera fighting gives me an option to hit dark types like chi yu and incin

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while still giving me a dark resistance

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and a ghost neutrality

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letting me live a hit against opposing calys

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technically urshifu is there to kill incin

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but most case urshifu gets ohko'd

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due to a lack of speed or sash

oblique fractal
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How's this team? My idea was to try and beat rain teams

soft nexus
soft nexus
tribal void
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chi yu has scarf

soft nexus
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Why

tribal void
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cause smeargle has sash

soft nexus
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specs

tribal void
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and specs does a shit ton of damage but dies to anywhing

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like

soft nexus
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Then remove smeargle

tribal void
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hmm

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what about

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dropping incin

soft nexus
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It’s so bad into amoonguss

tribal void
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keeping chi yu

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i feel like

soft nexus
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Drop both

tribal void
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i want to lean towards offense

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while keeping the original intnetion of the team

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which is smeargle + calys

soft nexus
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That isn’t going to go well

tribal void
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ik

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thats why im asking for some help

soft nexus
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Because amoonguss exists

tribal void
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amoongus is actually easier to deal with than you think

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chi yu heat wave:

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also i slot eforce as a filler move on calys

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so it has to think twice

soft nexus
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It isn’t a sure KO

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with max spdef investment

tribal void
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but

soft nexus
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Yeah it is 81% but not always

tribal void
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max spdef is uncommon

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cause it needs def investment

soft nexus
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For?

tribal void
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koraidon, urshifu single

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ursa on lunala teams(uncommon but included)

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zacian

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zamazenta

soft nexus
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Koriadon is scared by urshifu

tribal void
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no?

soft nexus
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Zacian is irrelevant

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I mean flutter

tribal void
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koraidon solos urshifu

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what does flutter have to do with this

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koraidon is like top 5 most common

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or top 6

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calyi, calys, miraidon, kyogre, koraidon

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or zama/terapagos takes up the kyogre slot

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in top 5

soft nexus
tribal void
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i dont have flutter do i?

soft nexus
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No

tribal void
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flutter isnt even very common

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since calys rules the roost

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zacian is an off meta pick

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that does get some value here and there

west glacier
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Flutter is ass. I run 1. Hasnt done shit yet.

tribal void
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frfr

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needs speed booster or sash

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flutter in sun doesnt help either

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imo

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i literally played koraidon the whole 2024 reg g season

west glacier
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Yeah. Ubcant get it into position well. There is always sth on the field that just one taps.

soft nexus
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  • amoonguss
tribal void
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rillaboom on my team

soft nexus
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Long necked giraffe

tribal void
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but the amoongus is out of the equation

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or the urshifu

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now

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since the giraffe is on the field

soft nexus
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urshifu + giraffe

tribal void
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rillaboom

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just rillaboom

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since farigiraf has no redirection

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it can't stop rilla from clicking wood hammer

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into urshifu

soft nexus
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urshifu isn’t the only thing

tribal void
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what is farigiraf going to do to rilla?

soft nexus
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it cancels glide

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what if it uses u-turn

tribal void
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its not going to kill

soft nexus
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yeah but

tribal void
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what ever else i have on the field

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is going to dent or annoy ammongus

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knock from incin

soft nexus
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oh yeah incineroar is gonna do so much to amoonguss

tribal void
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yes

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knock

soft nexus
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without flare blitz holding it back

tribal void
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knock annoys it

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and moong cant touch incin

soft nexus
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It can annoy it with rage powder

tribal void
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no?

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safety goggles

soft nexus
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oh yeah

tribal void
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incin is a borderline wall for moong

soft nexus
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yeah but incin can’t do much back either

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knock off is a 5 hit ko

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and the amoonguss could have rocky helmet

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Or Tera dark

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They’re both walls to eachother

tribal void
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its not about the ohko

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its about taking the item ff

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off

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then annoying the other mon

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wait

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its not about the damage

soft nexus
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what if it’s rocky helmet

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you get annoying chip

tribal void
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knock it off

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then

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its only chip one time

soft nexus
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yeah but that chip can be crucial

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12.5% isn’t much, but it puts it into ko range from something that was previously not able to ko it

tribal void
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not incin

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unless its urshifu\

soft nexus
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yes incin

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exactly, scarf urshifu

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“rillaboom” farigiraf + banded urshifu

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u-turn will actually start to do some damage

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another weak point here is smeargle

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it gets screwed by taunt tornadus

tribal void
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that whats usually happens to all smeargles

soft nexus
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it is a trade off but at least have 1 damaging move

tribal void
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no matter what smeargle

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smeargle never runs damaging moves

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only fake out

soft nexus
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Or mental herb

tribal void
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too frail

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look at every smeargle played at high level

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no mental herb

soft nexus
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There isn’t a lot

tribal void
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and only attacking move is fake out

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the ones that do use smeargle

soft nexus
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The one*

tribal void
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it never has an attacking move

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no?

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theres more than 1

soft nexus
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ok maybe like 5

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also a better filler for calyrex s would be psychic

tribal void
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nah

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eforce is slightly weaker

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but pisses off any indeedee user

soft nexus
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you have rillaboom?

tribal void
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or at least use psychock

soft nexus
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no?

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psychic also gets powered up

tribal void
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but eforce gets powered up more

soft nexus
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And e force becomes a multi target move, meaning it only does 75%

tribal void
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1.5

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and 1.3

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makes it more powerful than psychic

soft nexus
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75% is making it 1.25

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The e force

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wait if it’s a decimal with a digit in the hundredths place

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does the game round up?

tribal void
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80X1.5X1.3x1.5x0.75

soft nexus
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but psychics power is greater sooo

tribal void
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psychic is

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90x1.5x1.3

soft nexus
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which is 175

tribal void
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eforce is 175.5 base power

soft nexus
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I mean it’s basically the same but

tribal void
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yeah

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so its better

soft nexus
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E force is very situational

tribal void
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"technically"

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cause wide guard

soft nexus
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wide guard blocks e force?

tribal void
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yeah

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cause its a spread move in psychic terrain

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thats the only situation where its statistically worse

soft nexus
#

but it doesn’t block psychic

tribal void
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wide guard blocks spread moves

soft nexus
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Even out of terrain

tribal void
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out of terrain

soft nexus
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Psychic still has a higher bp

tribal void
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it doesnt block eforce

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that is only applicable

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with 252+ amoongus

soft nexus
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Uh psychics bp is 90 and e forces is 80

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What is?

tribal void
#

the damage difference

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meh i guess its up to preference

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niche on niche

finite drum
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y’all think psyduck would be decent

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cause like

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cloud nine

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stops weather

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and stuff

tribal void
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not really

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too frail

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not fast enough

finite drum
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fair

tribal void
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weather isnt even every good

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kyogre and koraidon have weather wars occasionally

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but both are rare

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or not rare in the ladder sense

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cause kyogre is everywhere on ladder

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but still

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its more woth it letting them keep the rain

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than it is to remove it

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due to the loss in team slot to golduck

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psyduck is just pushing your luck too far

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because

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cloud nine

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just disables the weather

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doesnt remove it

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so

finite drum
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oh

tribal void
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if the mon dies, weather resumes unless the timer for the weather goes down

finite drum
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mannn

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psyduck my beloved 💔

tribal void
#

same with air lock

thorny aurora
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reg g

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good?

random wagon
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horn leech is probably better on oger for longevity and stuff, but ig you can kee whip if you really want to

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shadow ball farig isnt great

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protect can be there

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urshifu should be jolly, dropping uturn for close combat (fighting-move is necessary)

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lando-i can use uturn over tera blast, using tera ghost

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and tera blast on raging bolt should be subbed out for snarl

thorny aurora
random wagon
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plus AV bolt should do fine into caly shadow

thorny aurora
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ok

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tysm

fringe scarab
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https://pokepast.es/e2d893501c76315d
So I’ve been playing with this team and it’s really fun but I can’t deal with Pagos for the life of me. Any tips against the turtle or just in general?

jovial creek
sonic wind
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oh and gambit

amber cloud
sonic wind
amber cloud
sonic wind
amber cloud
finite drum
drifting onyxBOT
#

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

finite drum
#

i tried a few games and the big problem i keep having is archaludon

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cause stamina causes it to take no damage from my ceruledge and mudsdale

errant merlin
#

urshifu does too much damage

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i have 2 tera normals lmao

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this is the new team

tribal void