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[unreal arch]

Things don’t work like that

[bitter meteor]

wdym

stealth rock chipping typhlosion for 25% of hp on switch on

pretty much kills typhlosion as a threat

sucker punch beats tyhplosion lead

stealth rock beats typhlosion in the back

[unreal arch]

Just because you get chip damage doesn't mean the threat is gone

Sacrificing a moveslot for a bad vgc move for a matchup that isn't important enough to build around isn't good

[bitter meteor]

the threat is eruption

25% chip is massive

[unreal arch]

Use sucker punch if in that situation, run swords dance or kowtow cleave over stealth rock

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/08607ac2c80b1eda how's this team

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[past harbor]

lonely nature basculegion

meanwhile this team has no mon that actually takes advantage of the sand

[narrow dock]

That's a mistake

[west glacier]

what ar the specific EV spreads supposed to do?

Why specific def investments on some mons?

[unreal arch]

https://pokepast.es/99663dcdd862992b

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[unreal arch]

Good sand team?

[unkempt anvil]

Decided to try some sample teams by other people so I can better get a hold of things:
https://pokepast.es/e248d4f6de7bbcb5

Is this a good team to start playing?

[random wagon]

talonflame isnt a great sand partner because sand breaks gale wings

i suggest corviknight there as a flying type since it beats sneasler

and im personally not too keen on gholdengo being there with excadrill and the newly added corviknight

i actually think incineroar can work here, and if you want to drop mewos for amoonguss you can use volcarona as a fire type

also no iron head on edrill? Probably want to drop rock slide or earthquake, or shift to choice band and use it over protect, with meows being amoonguss

your also wasting evs on gastrodon, so i suggest changing gastrodon’s evs in its defense to 172, moving the 4 into spatk

finally, you can probably slide away with triple axel over low kick on meowscarada

bc you already have low kick

[random wagon]

yeah looks good

[unkempt anvil]

Gotcha, thanks!

[unreal arch]

What spread is good for volcarona

[random wagon]

you can prob just check the analysis uploaded to smogon

[unreal arch]

https://pokepast.es/ca76eaa75a2333a0 how is this

[random wagon]

fix volcarona and gastrodon evs

and switch rillaboom to amoonguss since Rillaboom weakens your own earthquake

[unreal arch]

I’m not running earthquake

[unreal arch]

Also, can you give me a good spread for those 2

[reef orchid]

can someone rate my trick room team (first one i built for this reg)

https://pokepast.es/89e3daab5673c3fc

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[spark creek]

I was thinking a snow team with Alolan Ninetales and froslass with also a Dragapult. I just don't know about the rest of the team and if it's viable.

[random wagon]

volcarona evs can be found on the smogon website

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/750a823bbfeae1a2 how's this team

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[reef orchid]

archaludon electro shot no rain no power herb?

also always do max speed max spa with 4 in sp.def def or hp for h-typhlosion for max damage if you're running specs, it can one shot probably more than half of the meta rn with eruption in sun or even without it

replace archaludon with a fake out user who works in trick room and outside of it like rillaboom or incineroar and your team is really good for adapting to your opponents team

.

[narrow dock]

can you think of a water type i can put on this team instead

[reef orchid]

water type as in for rain or for the core

i mean primarina works in trick room and outside but you need super specific evs

[nimble siren]

I’m clueless on how to build TR this regulation 😭

The only thing with TR that I know is good is p2 ursa

I’ve been using Toler Webb’s Baltimore team for reference but still am clueless

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/3cfa6736fcf6b823 how's this team

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[soft nexus]

I’m not really good with tr, but I have some Pokémon that are good in tr

Indeedee and hatterene

ursaluna

Gallade

torkoal

[random wagon]

switch kro for peli

[soft nexus]

on top of that stuff like armarouge

try that stuff

[random wagon]

well your naming psyspam

but more traditional TR teams in the early meta used p2 and ursa with amoon and incin and ghold as a main core

then flamigo was used but you could also just use sneasler

like ive been testing a variant with sneasler and araquanid over gholdengo (dont try this lol)

[spark creek]

https://pokepast.es/7299bb6e973db10d

I like Froslass and I wanna try something with her. A made a couple battles with mixed results. But unfortunately only work 1 time

[random wagon]

although i know froslass is the vocal point of the team, it just isnt gonna work. Baxcalibur actually seems nice there

but if you want to keep her, maybe a sash icy wind disruptor? Move sash from sneas to froslass and give sneas grassy seeds?

[spark creek]

But for one battle nothing landed on froslass 😃 but I know that baxcalibur works better, and I will try to see if works for me

[spark creek]

I could try that. Forget thunderbolt to icy wind

[frail bay]

froslass main role is usually being an icy wind disruptor with cursed body focus sash to potentially disable moves

kind of like gengar sets in the current regulation if you're willing to look into that

also this is vgc not ou if you're wondering

or you just mispelt OR into OU

anyways double team is really weak + you have snow cloak already

if you decided to go cursed body then double team is anti-synergy

you prob want rillaboom to have the lowest speed possible bc you want your terrain to go 2nd bc of indeedee

just slightly slower than the slowest indeedee without items is fine

[frail bay]

isn't hisuian-decidueye preferred bc of scrappy hitting ghost for normal effective and dark for supereffective 2 of the things psychic have double weaknesses to

i like hisuian-decidueye better it's prob like

one of the best fighting types rn

besides obvious ones like sneasler

[random wagon]

hdecid is overhyped still

it was before

and it is now

bc you just hard lose to sneasler

not to mention psyspam

[soft nexus]

and also gale wings talonflame

[ornate cloak]

Beat up strats

https://pokepast.es/9aff76c7901e0c28

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[frail bay]

Indeedee
Psychic > Dazzling Gleam. STAB + terrain boosted makes Psychic a great move to run on Indeedee over Dazzling Gleam.

Whimsicott
Whimsicott also has access to Beat Up. Maybe you should look into that.

Annihilape
Close Combat > Drain Punch/Bulk Up

I don't like this AV Incin because you give up probably one of the strongest tools of Incin being self-intimidate cycling.

But that's just me personally

[ornate cloak]

So should I replace Incineroar

[frail bay]

Incin is fine since you lack physic al walls

[ornate cloak]

Tbh AV would be half decent against Gholdengo

[frail bay]

I just think maybe the sitrus berry set would fit better ngl.

[ornate cloak]

I mean

I got AV for Peli, Dengo, and Archaludon

Just incase I need to Tera dragon Incineroar

[frail bay]

Gholdengo already gets cleared by Annihilape with Rage Fist being such a strong option against a partner like Maushold that can run Taunt/Feint.

[ornate cloak]

My Ape only outspeeds standard np dengos

I have to commit Tera in case of scarf/specs

Also, I can use Expanding Force on Indeedee right?

[frail bay]

Only Male Indeedee.

And Male Indeedee lacks Follow Me in contrast to the Female.

[ornate cloak]

Ye I js realised 😭

I forgot Indeedee has two forms

[frail bay]

You can go Male Indeedee since you already have a Follow Me mon.

But honestly it depends on if you want or not.

[ornate cloak]

Tbh follow me Indeedee comes in clutch

[frail bay]

I would go Male here because you can lead or bait them with Psyspam.

But it's really you depending on your playstyle.

also I prob want Psy. Seeds on Indeedee.

[ornate cloak]

Hm

[frail bay]

Rocky Helmet is good but having more bulk to utilize Follow Me is nice.

[ornate cloak]

Wait so can I go Psyseed Indeedee Rocky helmet Maushold and goggles Incineroar

[frail bay]

Yeah if you're willing to drop AV

[ornate cloak]

Parting Shot might be worth it icl

[frail bay]

but if you go goggles then you prob want a more supporting incin set with parting shot

and drop u-turn

Honest to god I hate the dark-type pool

i basically have: kingambit, incineroar and maybe hydreigon

[ornate cloak]

Incineroar (M) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 156 HP / 164 Def / 188 SpD
Bold Nature

• Knock Off
• Fake Out
• Will-O-Wisp
• Parting Shot

[frail bay]

You ran damage calcs with incin yet?

[ornate cloak]

Ye

[frail bay]

Oh great what does this uhh

ev spread survives

Feels like you're trying to tech something

[ornate cloak]

Ape dpunch, Dengo power gem, Peli Hurricane

Tbh I honestly forgot

I EV'd this months ago

[frail bay]

oh you on showdown?

i'm assuming you're on switch

[ornate cloak]

Yh

Naw showdown

[frail bay]

honest to god

[ornate cloak]

Iirc this should also survive Armarouge aura sphere

[frail bay]

i have to buy 2 $60 games and a $30 dollar VGC to have a respectable team on Pokemon.

This is bullshit.

[ornate cloak]

True

[frail bay]

Not mentioning the Switch itself.

🔥

[ornate cloak]

Ye Pokemon is a very expensive sport

[frail bay]

Dawg competitive scene would thrive if they allow emulators

on god

The Switch vfx is ass

First-hand experience with my friend's Switch

[ornate cloak]

Just allow a team builder for switch games

[frail bay]

The fact that tournament play forces you to spend countless hours to breed a perfect EV and IV is crazy.

They should just allow teambuilders.

On god most of the time is spent grinding tiredlessly.

[wet torrent]

Hey guys, I just wanted to know your opinion on the best Pokemon in regulation H. If you had to choose between Incineroar, Sneasler, Kingambit, Gholdengo, or Archaludon? If you thunk there is a better Pokémon not mentioned, Id love to hear your opinion!

[ornate cloak]

You can't pick a definitive best Pokemon between the 5 of them, as each of them are fairly different in how they function, for e.g Incineroar is a support mon, it uses its utility (fake out, parting shot, Will-O-Wisp, etc) in combination with its ability Intimidate, overall decent defensive typing, and great stats to support it's teammates, it doesn't really go on the offensive.

Kingambit is a bulky offensive mon, you usually want to set up as many swords dances as you can with Kingambit in proper conditions to take advantage of its massive offensive capability.

Gholdengo and Archaludon are relatively similar, both of them are offensive mons as well, Archaludon primarily functions on rain teams with its signature move Electro Shot, or pairs with Beat Up Maushold/Whimsicott to abuse Stamina + Body Press, whereas Gholdengo usually opts for either choice scarf speed or choice specs for immediate damage, or just leftovers and nasty plot to utilise it's great defensive typing, ability, and stats.

Sneasler is a fast sweeper who utilises it's Unburden ability (or poison touch recently) to do a lot of damage very quickly or slowly widdle down its opponents.

All of them function entirely differently so you can't find a definitive best mon

[wet torrent]

Thanks for the feedback

[ornate cloak]

[dusky timber]

hi guys - it's my first time building a vgc reg h team and i need a bit of help...

my current list of pokemon are snorlax, sinistcha, incineroar, clefairy, and kommo-o, and im stuck on what my last pokemon should be. any clear options that fit well?

[reef orchid]

how are you going to use snorlax and kommo-o

trick room? tailwind? balance?

you have no speed control

your 2 main offensive threats are different

one is really slow/slow asf

the other is a midranger than can be fast

maybe use a tailwind or trick room setter?

[dusky timber]

sry, here's a pokepaste with all the details: https://pokepast.es/e415dead3e00118a

i have a singular trick room setter, which probably isnt great

[frail bay]

You still have one open slot.

[dusky timber]

I'm trying to figure out what to fill the spot with

I'm thinking farigiraf with trick room could work well as both support and a decent special attacker

but I'm wondering if there is a better option

[frail bay]

Farigiraf is fine tbh.

I like Farigiraf here since you already have Clefairy with Follow Me

[ornate cloak]

Icl Kommo-o and Snorlax might not be too good

Your entire team dies to ape

Even with Farigiraf, Annihilape matchup will be tough especially if it's one of the MausApe teams

[ornate cloak]

Also this, Snorlax and Kommo-o just don't work well together because one is a trickroom sweeper and the other is a fast sweeper so one of the two gets comprised

And Farigiraf doesn't add much to the trickroom core especially if Throat Spray is occupied

Use tghost Ursaluna instead of Snorlax

[dusky timber]

good points

ty

[lofty urchin]

Hey guys! Been pondering and tweaking this team for a while now, lmk what y'all think. I win more then lose. I'm mainly looking for strategies and leads with this team: https://pokepast.es/62db20b51bd64df0. My main point im so-so is the tera type of Hatterene to be steel or psychic.

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[random wagon]

hatterene should hold tera fire

over those two options

also psychic terrain on indeedee isnt necessary

i would recommend using protect or an attacking move over it

[lofty urchin]

i see but what about rillabooms? its my only counter to keep terrain

[summer wigeon]

id do 0 atk ivs on the whimsical cotton in the very rare chance foul play is used against it

[summer wigeon]

also for this, given youre running two priority moves and one neg priority, if you fully uninvest in speed, it could underspeed the tapu rilla

94 speed at 0 ivs, minus nature

105 for rilla at neutral nature, no investment

[random wagon]

FJustswitchswitch

Just switch

[west glacier]

Can I get some ideas on a team?
Need some ideas for Volc, either different set or complete replacement I never bring it.
Also Gastrodon is just niche against Water heavy teams.
Also not sure on the Ceruledge EVs
https://pokepast.es/3336ec0fd2eed9b9

[brisk stream]

Hi, can someone help me with a vgc team?

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[west glacier]

Lil more specific? Or you wanna blank slate?

[brisk stream]

i need help with minor ajust and overall sinergy i think

this is the team rn

i want to build a rain team

but i think pelipper makes the choices really strict

and with murkrow prankster + rain dance i could deal with switch-in from torkoal

or sunny day from whimsicott

but i am new to vgc and don't know if this is viable

i'm currently testing the team on showdown running gholdengo as the last mon

also that dragon pulse is wrong

i'm running draco meteor

[west glacier]

What are the Tera

[brisk stream]

i'm using grass/dark/water/ghost/water respectively

[west glacier]

Seems solid. Meta mons. Pelipper is an option to Murkrow that would give more dmg potential but probably more vulnerability

Dengo is also good with Tailwind. So yeah.
Maybe sengonwith a fairy move as coverage for dragons(rn only draco and as stab last respects, knock off to hit them neutral or stab).

[brisk stream]

i see

i thought using power herb on archaludon so i could set tailwind to get more advantage on first turn instead of rain

what do u think?

[west glacier]

Any specific reasons for the investments with archaludon and incin?

[brisk stream]

i builded archaludon to resist a close combat from sneasler

and to outspeed things like dragapult on tailwind

i have to review incin

[west glacier]

Yeah Power Herb is also run at times. Maybe add protect to it then

[brisk stream]

i want it to be bulky and able to oneshot amarouge or amoonguss

rillaboom too

[brisk stream]

that makes sense

i could swap flash cannon if i use gholdengo?

[west glacier]

Makes sense.

Does Arch tank the close combat with tera or without?

Without right?

[brisk stream]

without

yea

[west glacier]

Not sure tbh. Flash canon feels great if u go against fairies but like the most popular fairy rn is Prim rn if Im not missing someone

Which u would hit with electro shot

[west glacier]

You should probably how good archaludon can stay in into fairies without it

Can I get some ideas on a team?
Need some ideas for Volcarona mainly. Either change the set or replace the mon.

Got the suggestion for a set with tera fairy tera blast to cocer dragons.

Also swapping Metagross for Kingambit is just better.
https://pokepast.es/3336ec0fd2eed9b9

[brisk stream]

thanks man! u helped a lot

just a final question

i said earlier that speed on inci is not relevant for me

but i ran into a couple sneasler doing ohk to my inc even with tailwind up

would be clever to build him to surpass sneasler on tailwind so i could parting shot and see what i can do?

or losing that bulk/atk is not viable?

[west glacier]

Apeed invest also brings the advantage that u fake oit other incins. Can be worth it if u dont have to lose much bulk to still tank important hits.

Eg. Stomping Tantrum Rillaboom

[frail bay]

I don't think incin can outspeed unburden sneasler even with tailwind without having to sac some EVs.

a better approach is prob to run some sort of sneasler counter

[frail bay]

https://pokepast.es/61b486e1c1c82e8a

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[frail bay]

This is somewhat standard VGC team. I figured I should try to build a somewhat viable team before trying to experiment with something else.

Vital Spirit + AV set because Annihilape just acts as a Fighting check or lategame cleanup.

Vital Spirit because you can get away with not running Defiant in Closed-Team Sheets because they assume you run Defiant.

Vital Spirit is really good against the Sun teams popping up right now with fast sleep powders.

Also Amoonguss & Dire Claw possibly rolling into a sleep is scary.

Can tank at least 4 Hurricanes with AV.

More if the opponent doesn't hit the 0.7% chance to KO

Counter might be weird but really it's somewhat a way for Annihilape to dish out insane damage especially against the physical attackers running around like Ursaluna, Garchomp with EQ, etc etc.

Others are just standard.

[north tree]

Vital Spirit annilihape is a neat idea but other pokemon do the vital spirit thing better, mainly electabuzz who can redirect and allow annilihape to set up bulk up. Electabuzz can slot in over rotom wash, or you can use magmar to retain the will-o-wisp support.

Assault vest annilihape most likely doesn't work on this sort of team, replace final gambit for bulk up and counter for protect with safety goggles to stop spore from amoonguss.

Murkrow should be replaced with whimsicott, as whimsicott has access to beat up to give annihilape a powerful rage fist and is generally a better tailwind setter most of the time.

Indeedee-F is extremely counter-intuitive on this team, you block your own sucker punch from Kingambit and indeedee itself does not provide enough offensive pressure to justify it's spot.

Kingambit is off-place on a hyper offense team, especially a swords dance variant, I would recommend using Dragonite or Ursaluna-Bloodmoon as shown by this team:
https://pokepast.es/b96801c655fc4030 This made 49th place at the Gdansk regionals in Poland.

Gholdengo is most likely better off as a metal coat/life orb set with nasty plot and protect. This gives you a lot more flexbility you are able to afford turns with electabuzz/magmar next to you.

If you replace indeedee with Bloodmoon you could potentially have Alessio's team rebuilt but using magmar over Incineroar.

[frail bay]

I'm aware of Kingambit and Indeedee-F anti-synergy but I figured I could get away with it with Tera Flying....

😭

[north tree]

Psychic terrain protects opposing grounded pokemon. If kingambit uses sucker punch against a flying type or levitating pokemon it will connect but even if kingambit uses tera flying it will not connect vs say a gholdengo

[frail bay]

ohhh

makes fucking sense now

anyways yeah i'm gonna slot out indeedee

the reason I want indeedee was so i can fill my Fighting/Dark/Psychic core-shaped heart.

[west glacier]

Is Rotom any good?

havent seen one yet on ladder

neither Showdown nor ingame

@frail bay How are you dealing with drakes? Are the match ups fine or do u feel u struggle? Cause you cant really hit them with the original team.

[stiff cosmos]

https://pokepast.es/d3e01a06f7cdf8de

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[west glacier]

how is torkoal gonna work?

@stiff cosmos

[stiff cosmos]

Just Sun really

And Eruption

[west glacier]

eruption isnt good there cause u wont out speed anything and take a hit before u fire of the attack

[stiff cosmos]

Idk I haven’t had issues with it cause I usually pair it with Talonflame to get priority Tailwind

Gets the job done

I’ve put this team through the wringer but is there anything I can improve? (Scovillain is there for speed and power as well as spicy extract in niche cases and Tera Fire Greninja is mainly there for Novelty Bias)

[west glacier]

how does torkoal outspeed anything under tailwind? Its just 80 speed with Tailwind

[stiff cosmos]

Idk

It works

[west glacier]

Whimsicot tera Dark to dodge taunt

[stiff cosmos]

That is a very good idea thank you

[frail bay]

Rotom-Wash is really good into matchups where you can't find like some ground about your opponent's team and is just an overall safe pick. It's really good pivot though and it's STABs are pretty good so that it's not lackluster.

[tough sleet]

https://pokepast.es/ff801a524d1c5304

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[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/1f568ce40bbb20d4 any changes i should make? still works pretty well

[stiff cosmos]

You running rain?

Sounds like a dumb question but I’ve seen people not in this situation

[dense nebula]

as you can see theres rain and sun depending on the situation

mostly use sun

[cyan locust]

https://pokepast.es/f50ff63eeda4ceee
Serperior, Grimmsnarl and Rillaboom synergize really well with the constant switching (U-Turn and parting shot) while buffing Serperior. Talonflame I feel like is a good Tailwind setter in case I need it (or if I just need to knock someone late game). I'm not sure how to use sneasler yet, but they pair well with Rillaboom. Gholdengo feels out of place for me

Any possible changes or observations? Thanks in advance

[fresh flicker]

Have you tried this in practice?

Because parting shot doesn't work on allies. Tried that with my incin using it on my Gambit

[cyan locust]

Yep

[cyan locust]

I think it worked for me tho?

Now Im confused

in case Im mistaken, grimm also has fake tears

I tested it, I can parting shot Serperior

works well

[tribal void]

https://pokepast.es/4bf8a94426c324b9

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

any ideas on what to improve

or any outstanding weaknesses

since i haven't got the opportunity to fight rain or sun teams

so i don't know if id be weak against them

[soft nexus]

no attacking move on smeargle

only thing i can think of

spiky is kinda useless, especially on a sash mon

Also why Tera blast psychic indeedee when you have expanding force

[tribal void]

uh the thought process is that tera blast does more damage as a single target normal type attack

thats about it

tera psychic is to only boost expanding force

spiky shield is useful on a sash mon

many sash mons carry protect to scout out fake out or priority that would break the sashj

i have some trouble facing incin leads

so i have no idea what to do about that

adding a defiant mon just doesn't feel right on the team

[past harbor]

Tera blast psychic? You have psychic.

[tribal void]

tera blast as normal stab

not psychic stab

the tera psychic is for expanding force

[soft nexus]

also you’re running protect on a scarfed mon

and having to trick every time you face a gambit or something isn’t going to go very well; you either trick and then protect, but kowtow will murder you before you click protect, or just protect, but the next turn protect will probably fail so just run another attacking move like dazzling or something instead of protect

[soft nexus]

you will get taunted and have to switch out, so try something like mental herb and replace another move with something like ceaseless edge if you want to keep spiky. Either way, sash or spiky is going to have to go

[tribal void]

wha

smeargle runs a purely supportive set

yknow this is vgc right

spikes kinda suck

the trade off of smeargle is that taunt usually shuts it down

its too frail to drop sash

[past harbor]

It technically can drop sash if you just need it to redirect a move, die or stuff like that

I have made a team with cloak smeargle to master rank before

[soft nexus]

spikes can clutch especially against the erupters

[tribal void]

I use sash on smeargle because I want to fire off at least one decorate for my volc. Follow me is just a suicide option at 1 hp that lets me pivot while keeping my Pokémon safe

[tribal void]

Spikes being good against eruption users is very niche imo since that relies on the opponent using eruption. Smeargle has better supporting moves overall to use

[frail bay]

https://pokepast.es/937db620b2523fdc

[drifting onyx]

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[frail bay]

Experimental TR team. A bit inspired by Toller Webb's Flamigo PoryRoom but also me realizing how good of a partner Flamigo is with Gholdengo & vice versa.

Copperajah is an interesting pick. I definitely didn't build the team with it in mind but it seemed to perform pretty well with Heavy Metal + Heavy Slam picking up KOs under Trick Room.

Torkoal is there for weather control. Solar Beam is merely Pelipper tech so I can OHKO it.

IVs are not finished by the way. That's why most of them are maxed.

I will definitely run more damage calcs in the future but this is pretty solid for me as of current on Showdown.

[finite kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/f03c2c0d6cdc6337

[frail bay]

This is for Reg G correct?

[tribal void]

recomend running charcoal for torkoal as it boosts heat wave/eruption

lefties is not worth it on a eruption spammer imo

[frail bay]

Wrong item sorry.

I think I meant to add Charcoal so I was a bit confused when I noticed I didn't get the Charcoal multi

Turns out I had the wrong item but it's ok.

[soft nexus]

there’s also stone axe and triple arrows

triple arrows helps your physical attackers go brrrrrrr

https://pokepast.es/bc3604acbe2f2416 i have no idea what i was thinking here. i have been arrested now and am in jail.

[drifting onyx]

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[soft nexus]

Btw replace rillaboom with this amongus set

Amoonguss @ Mental Herb
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Clear Smog

oh and also water Tera type

[tribal void]

add some physical bulk in for sneasler, ursa, and dnite

full spdef is not worth it in this very physical heavy meta

[soft nexus]

gholdengo:
volcarona:
pelipper:
arch:
bm ursaluna:

we also can’t forget garganacl

the physical wall

[tribal void]

amoongus doesn't want to fight a hurricane peliper anyways, but it will be 2hko'd even with like 92 spdef investment

archaludon doesn't hit moong usually with tera water unless its d-pulse or draco

you'd rather deal with arch offensively compared to defensively.

volcarona is not very common and 2hko's non sitrus amoong most of the time

the phys investment is very worth it

im not saying to full commit

but like 156 def is more than enough

the physical threats overall hit harder (exception for ursabm) so having more physical bulk will help out a lot

[stiff cosmos]

Trying to think of a Tera Type for Scovillain,it just ain’t really clicking for me

[soft nexus]

ursa is actually not that common

[tribal void]

Tr is like one of the best team archetypes rn

Ursa is something to be scared of

Also it being not common doesn’t mean it’ll pop up

Dozo spiked in usage at one point cause everyone thought they didn’t need to prep for it

[soft nexus]

dude I have only encountered ONE ursa team throughout my 50 games

most tr teams I face are either torkoal or psyspam

and you can just spore the p2 before it trick rooms

that forces them to Tera

and since Garg is slower than ursa in tr, with a simple +4 body press it can ohko ursa

[tribal void]

Garg needs to be let to +4 which is very hard

[soft nexus]

that’s only 2 turns

spam rage powder

[tribal void]

2 turns of nothing?

[soft nexus]

2 turns of iron defense

[tribal void]

Ursa facade ohkos amoongus

[soft nexus]

and ursa can’t damage garg at +4

[tribal void]

Unless intimidated

[soft nexus]

it can barely

[tribal void]

And ursa is commonly paired with ghold on p2 teams

[soft nexus]

how’ll that work? switch p2 out once ursa’s facade comes through?

[tribal void]

How else would that work

[soft nexus]

that takes an extra turn

[tribal void]

Garg doesn’t have to balls to click salt cure if Ursa threatens damage on it if it’s only +2

P2 could also not click tr

[soft nexus]

also +2 low kick dragonite

[tribal void]

It could go for the switch into ghold predicting spore

When would a dnite get a +2

[soft nexus]

Dragonite lucario

lucario uses upper hand on Tera normal e speed dragonite

activating weakness policy

Gholdengo? Earthquake

[tribal void]

Yeah then the ghold throws out a make it rain and dnite dies

Incin is a great counter to multiscale dnite

[soft nexus]

It’s inner focus

Not multi scale

[tribal void]

Why use upper hand

It’s going to do actual damage the

Then

[soft nexus]

Because it activates weakness policy

Only does about a third

[tribal void]

That’s a lot

That’s make it rain like range

[soft nexus]

Not really when you can recover it

And have the power of rage powder

[tribal void]

If dnite Lucaio lead

P2 Tera ghost tr

What if that doesn’t even happen?

Other leads like amoongus p2

Weakness policy and garg are just too gimmicky and inconsistent

[soft nexus]

ghost is actually not very common

[tribal void]

Amoongus loves def investment cause anything spatk besides Ursa bm is not ohko ing

Doesn’t mean you can’t consider it

[soft nexus]

You realize that’s gimmick percentage right

Under 20%

In the latest tournament in fact, Tera ghost p2 was only 8 percent

[tribal void]

Even if there is no Tera ghost p2 there a multitude of leads that can counter gimmick leads and such

Amoongus needs physical investment to tank hits

You can still keep some spdef investment

But neglecting physical is just too much

[soft nexus]

yeah I invested into physical

[tribal void]

Ok

I was just worried about the initial set

Cause it was full spdef

[sand minnow]

Anybody know how much speed a hound stone needs with sand to outrun most meta threats even with potential of tailwind?

Like should I go max speed or invest some bulk?

https://pokepast.es/359d194d761b8330

This is temporary

I'm still working out the kinks

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/e930a74d1977ac20

[tribal void]

You can’t really account for tailwind since sand rush and tailwind are both speed doublers so it ends up being dependent on how naturally fast houndstone is compared to the other mons

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/456d0144d799ee85 how's this team

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

i think ursa would work a little bit better on a tailwind team due to its slight bit more speed and powerful moves that don't require you to waste a turn getting burned

[narrow dock]

This is a Tailwind team

[tribal void]

ursa bm

[soft nexus]

Bro h-Typhlosion feels so random here

[tribal void]

i mean

if you want a ghost type or a steel type in rain use gholdengo

[narrow dock]

But then my team would be all sp a attackers

[soft nexus]

replace h-typhlosion

you don’t even have anti priority

Try rillaboom + grassy seed unburden sneasler

[tribal void]

unburden sneasler doesn't fit really well on rain

imo

rilla would work

but i think the more offensive nature of rain

likes sash better

maybe tailwind on peliper

since wide guard isnt very useful in the meta rn

then rillaboom or amoongus as a grass type

and ghold over h-typh or grimmsnarl if you want to play slower

i understand the dual weather thing

but those teams are a bit inconsistent

sneasler stands out as a user of none

most dual weather teams have like abusers of both mostly

[soft nexus]

It’s alright, but what could really work is a basuleigon

[tribal void]

i agree

multiple rain abusers and multiple sun abusers might be the way to go if you want to stick to a dual weather team

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/488b5b22fdf4d857 how about this

[amber cloud]

https://pokepast.es/a360a0b7a11ae9da
I made this reg h team and want to know if it’s viable and what ev spreads I should use

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

the sinistcha tera type could be different and if you want to run a choice item on ghold it would be specs

ghold doesn't need the speed

esp if its tailwind/tr

drop wide guard on pelliper

since

wide guard isnt very good in the meta

id recoment tera fire for sinistcha

[amber cloud]

Didn’t know that since I haven’t played I while

[tribal void]

also not a "you should always do this" thing but more bulkier rain teams that set tr usually use sinistcha + grimmsnarl

without ghold since you already have a ghost type and a steel as well

not saying you should stick to this

but keep in mind

what the "standard" is so maybe you could deviate from there

[amber cloud]

So should I drop something for grimsnarl?

[tribal void]

you don't have to and this type of team is kind of iffy

but if you were to swap a mon out

it would be ghold imo

[amber cloud]

Ok or do u think I should use a different team?

[tribal void]

also running tailwind on mence is redundant as you already have tailwind on peliper

you don't have to run a different team

i just think some minor tweaks should do good

if you like the team

go with it

theres just a few minor adjustments like tera types/movesets that could be changed upon

but overal

the initial team is pretty solid

[amber cloud]

Ok I might drop gohldengo for the grimsnarl screens idea

[tribal void]

you could keep ghold

but the team overall would play more offensively leaning

compared to grimm which would slow down the pace of the game

[amber cloud]

Yeah true

I don’t know much about the newer meta I haven’t played in a month

[tribal void]

honestly just test stuff and see what you like

[amber cloud]

Ok I’ll hop onto some ladder and try it out

Btw where should I get ev spreads?

[tribal void]

i have no idea

maybe pikalytics?

it shows the most common ev spreads

but its for the mon only

doesn't organise sets as well

so be careful of that

[amber cloud]

Ok I’ll check it out

[soft nexus]

labmaus is better it shows graphs and stuff

[blissful zephyr]

what magic bounce mon for sun team ?

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/22a133316203c5a7 how's this team

[drifting onyx]

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[random wagon]

actually its really solid

but maybe you can remove ursa-b for some form of redirection for annihilape

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/1944165d4e0e00b8 like this

[soft nexus]

one more thing: maybe try basculegion

[oblique talon]

https://pokepast.es/d4a76007df11b19d

[errant merlin]

https://pokepast.es/05160f47ffc13c2e
is hattrene a good enough psyspam counter
also blaziken is there to try to get a good matchup into amoonguss/use endure into a psychic attack(upper hand is there to prevent a high damage + prioirty move from killing)

[drifting onyx]

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[tribal void]

blaziken having weakness policy is probably going to be inconsistent because of how frail blaziken is. try running sash and slot on protect

and hatterene is a bit inconsistent due to being destroyed by every steel type in the meta and sneasler

so if you want a psyspam counter try running a dark type like incineroar(it still works on rain), kingambit, or get another steel type like gholdengo and hope you can kill the psyspam before it kills you

also recomend stamina on archaludon

cause it synergizes well with assault vest and allows you to use powerful body presses over dark pulse

body press is more consistent cause you aren't scared of psychic types and hate steels that resist your stab combo

[errant merlin]

yes but stalwart allows me to take kos through follow me/rage powder which i consider to be more important

[errant merlin]

i think i ran aura sphere there

[tribal void]

it says dark pulse

[errant merlin]

but sometimes i just pivoted to basculegion for immunity

[errant merlin]

sometimes

didnt work very well so i just switched it to dark pulse

[errant merlin]

"hope you can kill the psyspam before it kills you" is so real

[tribal void]

thats usually what it comes down to when running double steel

do be warned non stamina arch will be losing a lot of bulk

and mons like dnite, chomp, and sneasler absolutely shit on you

[errant merlin]

ehhh dnite isnt too bad from my experience at least

[tribal void]

scale shot

scale shot sets will give you a run for your money

[errant merlin]

i have tera fairy

[tribal void]

haze and tera fairy basically has you stuck in a corner

yeah but teraing all the time to avoid a matchup is a bit iffy imo

[errant merlin]

what if i ran tera blast

[tribal void]

also running spatk investment on amoong is a waste

if only using pollen puff

better invested in defenses

sure it does something to rillaboom

but not much

sludge bomb is better off for that role

cause the poison

also recomend sash or something to pelliper cause eject button means most of the time you'll get hit and switch before clicking tailwind

wide guard isn't very good in the meta however if you do find its more valuable than protect then go for it

lum hatterene is useless as well

the only thing statusing you is sneasler or nuzzle

but then just run covert cloak

to protect fake out as well

if you do end up keeping hatterene

[errant merlin]

true

[errant merlin]

i mean its mainly used cuz i rarely lead pelipper to switch into a fake out, reset weather to what i want, and switch back in

[errant merlin]

i hate rock slide flinches

[tribal void]

i mean your team already seems pretty kitted against sand

rain

archaludon

basculegion

[errant merlin]

yes but also

i have some of the worst luck ever

i think you can see that from my team comp(i never run inaccurate attacks)

so i played a game against snow cloak alolan-sandslash
and i almost lost because i missed 2 dark pulses(it tera ghosted) i hate everything

[tribal void]

the only innacurate move i would say you could slot on is hurricane just because you got rain, actually i think hurricane will be a great addition since it pressures grass types that would ruin basculegion

[errant merlin]

true

i guess i can slot that on instead of wide guard since wide guard is meant to cover heat wave/eruption in addition to ...rock slide and expanding force
i guess i can invest a bit more to try to kill bulky amoonguss with a double up as well

thinking about it now, there are like 0 good grass type spread moves LOL

[tribal void]

there are like 0 spread grass type moves besides petal storm iirc

but that hits teammates as well

[errant merlin]

yeah lol

ohhh right matcha gotcha

which is also a signature move...

https://pokepast.es/2411711636617d73
this is the new team

[drifting onyx]

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[errant merlin]

i chose to run tera blast because i just bring blaziken for steel type counters

[soft nexus]

rain and a fire type

just run something like sneasler in the place of blaziken

[west violet]

https://pokepast.es/aa8db100f91ad943

[west violet]

any feedback would be helpful, I'm sort if new but have a basic understanding

[tribal void]

i mean incineroar is run on rain

its not the weirdest thing out there

[soft nexus]

yea but incineroar isn’t really an offensive Pokémon

and blaziken is an offensive mon

[errant merlin]

i gave it eject pack and its mainly a fighting type, not a fire type

its got decent matchups into most grass types too

[tribal void]

sneasler does that but better

unburden

with sash

[tribal void]

true

[errant merlin]

ok i just hate sneasler lol

[tribal void]

sneasler can also sleep amoongus is clutch situations

what a broken mon

"covert cloak is counter play" yeah i bet ur ass im definetly going to be slotting on covert cloak on my dragonite over lum or loaded dice yeah sure

sneasler isnt so bad these days

but like a month ago i swear i was getting slept 24/7

[west violet]

good?

[vague crow]

https://pokepast.es/83ec4294ac7652cc

[tribal void]

having both maushold and loaded dice rillaboom on the same team is redundant, take one of them out imo

or switch the rillaboom set

also maushold in this situation could run population bomb wide lens for arch since population bomb wont do much to arch anyways, just keep that in mind as an option

incin would rather have safety goggles

or sitrus

over a pinch berry

cause pinch berries are too inconsistent

imo

but overall its a pretty solid standard team

[west glacier]

Sitrus>Wiki
You could AV Rill or Incin. For rilla you need to swap bullet see d for wood hammer then
Standard Pelipper and Bascu(its missing 4 EVs and a nature)

Also Grass dmg boosting item on rilla is also really good with Wood Hammer

Specific reasons for Defensive EV spreads?

Or offensive investments

[vague crow]

https://pokepast.es/83ec4294ac7652cc

[errant merlin]

exactly
i hate it

at least rain has counterplay in the current metagame with all the weather conditions running around

sneasler is just "haha speed tie fuck you"

[tribal void]

nah sneasler more rng

but dealable in some situations

[errant merlin]

ok well in my experience i can get full para'd 5 times in a row and just lose on the spot
50% of my sleeps are 3 turn sleeps
the last 3 times a sneasler connected a dire claw on me i got slept 3 times
i dont think i like rng very much

[tribal void]

yeah, ive been lucky the last few times i fought it, but i also was using tera ghost smeargle(decorate shennanigans) and somehow accumalted +6 def and spammed follow me so

not the most

common of situations

[blissful star]

ok so I've been messing around with a rain team and I usually lead palafin and arch, with incineroar and pelipper in the back, immediately switching into pellipper. I want to know if any of you would switch moushold for anything else or if any of you would tweak my team

Crashout (Palafin) @ Choice Band
Ability: Zero to Hero
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Jet Punch
• Flip Turn
• Wave Crash
• Zen Headbutt

Gabe (Incineroar) @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 140 Def / 76 SpD / 36 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Parting Shot
• Knock Off

Balboa (Archaludon) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Def / 36 SpA / 164 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Electro Shot
• Body Press

George (Pelipper) @ Damp Rock
Ability: Drizzle
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 248 HP / 224 Def / 36 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

• Hurricane
• U-turn
• Roost
• Knock Off

In Real Life (Amoonguss) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 84 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 27 Spe

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Pollen Puff
• Protect

Remmy (Maushold-Four) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Population Bomb
• Follow Me
• Play Rough
• U-turn

[errant merlin]

why are you running damp rock on pelipper i feel like there are better things to run(like sash for instance)

especially since your weather is going to get overriden like 90% of the time anyways

[blissful star]

Try to keep the rain up because archaludon and palafin need it to max out damage

[blissful star]

This is why essentially every one of my mons have a switchout move

[errant merlin]

yeah so why are you running damp rock then

[blissful star]

so you'd run sash?

[errant merlin]

i run sash, i used to run eject button

sash is more of a lead pelipper idea though

[errant merlin]

another thing is that most of the time after 2-3 turns the game is pretty much decided anyways so you really dont need that extra 3 turns of rain

[blissful star]

Pelliper is essentially my lead because I always switch palafin first into pellipper so that my slow arch can still get the one turn electro shot

[errant merlin]

i would recommend tailwind on pelipper replacing knock off since incin already has it
also roost isn't worth it, protect is much more valuable

[blissful star]

I'm not sure how I feel about moushold though what do you think

[errant merlin]

i have never played with maushold before so i cant give advice on that front

is the tera grass meant for spore or rage powder

[blissful star]

the idea was to population bomb arch into maxing its defense but I have never been in a situation where moushold would be more ideal than either amoongus or incineroar

[errant merlin]

personally im running hatterene on my rain team but thats a niche pick for anti trick room so

[blissful star]

yes

[errant merlin]

i think you can swap out maushold for a different supporting pokemon though because you already have amoonguss for support

[errant merlin]

both?

[blissful star]

I dont see rage powder a ton tbh and the spore shuts me down so probably more spore

[errant merlin]

fair enough yeah keep that set then

[blissful star]

indeedee trick room maybe?

[errant merlin]

personally i think you need some type of fighting type counter

[blissful star]

I also need electric counter too though

pelliper is allergic and so is palafin

[errant merlin]

your electric counter is archaludon and amoonguss

both of them resist

amoonguss can spore, and archaludon is archaludon

i dont have an electric "counter" on my team

[blissful star]

Should I throw armarouge w/ trick room

[errant merlin]

if you want

i think you need some way to get rid of sneasler though

hurricane is okay but

[blissful star]

Is palafin zen headbutt not the answer

[errant merlin]

i guess

but you're also then locked into zen headbutt

[blissful star]

thats true

[errant merlin]

i think people like to run close combat instead of jet punch on palafin

because priority really isnt that important for attacking moves here

which close combat is your fighting type move since palafin is a murderer with that attack stat

you don't have any speed control which is why i recommended tailwind on pelipper

[blissful star]

I think I would rather change wave crash to close combat because tera water choice band jet punch is still like cracked

[errant merlin]

i guess?

but wave crash can pick up kos when jet punch cant

idk i run stalwart archaludon with tera blast so im not sure how you play with stamina archaludon

my secondary water type is basculegion

so

i guess if you want to go hyper offense you can run basculegion as your speed control

like

choice scarf adaptability max speed and damage

something like that

[blissful star]

sounds good right now I just ran a few replacing moushold w/ trick room armarouge jet punch replaced with close combat

[agile crag]

https://pokepast.es/5553f53f55828d24 this is a team i put together im pretty new to team building in general im trying to get it to work well but i dont know most of the pokemon are expendle/ im willing to trade out except scizor i really wanna build around him but im not sure how to make him work i was trying to look for a solo sweeping scizor paired with a couple supports and i wanted a secondary offensive pokemon and a tank that kinda allows me to freely switch but im not exactly sure how to build this

[west glacier]

You run Moishold.with follow.me tera ghost to catch fighting attacks and use Beat up or Population Bomb to stack Stamina

1. Get rid of Indeedee no reason for it. psychic terrain just blocks your bullet punch. You can swap it for Amoongus finishing Grass, Water, Fire core. With regeneratir Amoonguss also likes to switch out and back in again.

[west glacier]

S.above
Rain is a decent Idea but Id probably prioritise a priority rain setter or use Pelipper. Milotic will often move last and the rain might xome too late.

You are running swords dance on a Choice Band set.

Szisor and Samurrot are both not fast/slow. They need some type of speed control like Tailwind.
You would have a priority Tailwind AND Rain dance with Murkrow.

[agile crag]

So you think I should drop milo for murkrow?

[west glacier]

Also Samurrot just isnt a good mon. If you have rain anyway Basculegion is always better(usually with Choice Band though).

[west glacier]

You have double water and Murkrow just can do more.

[agile crag]

Wait so

Should I take choice band of scizor or keep it

i guess if i wanna run sword dance i should

but what would be a good alternative?

[west glacier]

@agile crag https://pokepast.es/62b14cda542e9c60

https://pokepast.es/1ca182f042610fcb

2 Options. It just changes items and sets a little.

[agile crag]

I see I’ll give this a try

[west glacier]

Archaludon @ Power Herb
Ability: Stalwart
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 244 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 68 SpD / 76 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dragon Pulse
• Electro Shot
• Thunder Wave
• Protect
  Diff set for stalwart arch cause of tera electric

[agile crag]

May I ask why you took off indeedee

Follow me is kinda good for the team no?

[vague crow]

can *ANYONE give me reommandations about this team? https://pokepast.es/83ec4294ac7652cc

[west glacier]

amoongus does the same with rage powder except againstz grass types + Psychic Surge sabotages your scizor and your fake out users cause it blocks priority moves with Psychic Terrain

You could also use a diferent follow me user like magmar or electabuzz but amoongus profits off of rain weakening fire type attacks

[west glacier]

its standard hard TR. Very offensive.

Whats the reason for the EVs on Gallade?

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/f2aea7ea32328bba how's this team

[drifting onyx]

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[soft nexus]

it’s pretty good there are just a few changes

1. try trick on indeedee-m instead of draining. or maybe go dazzling instead of draining

2. Tinkaton isn’t a very good mon; you should replace it with something like ursa-bm. Unless it’s a very important part of your team/you want to make something based around it, you should replace it

[tribal void]

watch out for fast taunters like talonflame, taunt seems to be able to take out large chunks of your team since mons like tinkaton with its mold breaker thunder waves and annihilape's bulk up are some of the main ways they're able to maintain pressure or start up a sweep. I wouldn't say add a counter, but to watch out for taunt

taunt isn't the most common move rn

but its good to keep it in mind

[agile crag]

okay thansks

also idk if you put tailglow on murkrow by accident but it cant learn that move

[west glacier]

Tail wind

@agile crag

Mb

[agile crag]

yeah i made that correlation

also how do i deal with eletric types i keep getting messed up by them

[past harbor]

Rage powder Amoonguss is one way

[agile crag]

i see

[errant merlin]

garchompo

or tera ground

[narrow dock]

@tribal void https://pokepast.es/58235d8c213c22e4 how about this

[tribal void]

this is a pretty solid team, with the only thing I can really judge about it is A), should probably run a more powerful move than draining kiss on the indeedee-m, and B) this team is fairly weak to garchomp or any eq spammer

thats the only thing i see though but overall a solid looking team

also you could probably switch to safety goggles incin since theres no one else using safety goggles

[west glacier]

Archaludon resists

Amoonguss

[agile crag]

one thing i notice is im getting stomped by ground/ice types

[west glacier]

Whixh mons specifically?

Amoonguss tera water

steel

[agile crag]

Mamothswine and snorlax with ground moves keep running me over

[west glacier]

@agile crag Basculegion should always win into mamoswin.
Snorlax truly seems kinda rough.
Ia it under ttick room?

[agile crag]

yeah

it was a belly dance trick room snorlax

like he led with indeedee and snorlax

would belly dance and follow me

and then just wiped me

i went like incin and murkrow start to just one shot indeedee when she would follow me but it was kinda rough still

[west glacier]

@agile crag swap protect on murkrow for taunt.

[agile crag]

hmm i see

[west glacier]

And tera on szicor to water

Should be be better to counter lax. Kill with Close combat and Tera watee to neutral(?) ground and still get resistance to fire

[agile crag]

okay i can do that

see if it works

also can i get your opinion on another team i am trying to make work

i saw wolfey do like a harvest egxecute and i kinda wanted to try a similar concept with Treevenant

[west glacier]

Sure

Exegutor works well though cause its really good with indeedee because offl expanding force

[agile crag]

https://pokepast.es/c9bb0b87a411dc1e

lmk what you think

i really like the tree and i wanted to make him work

[tribal void]

if you want the tree to work id suggest using poltergeist as a ghost type move

drain punch is too weak with no investment

so it wont heal much

but poltergeist will still punch holes due to its high base power

[agile crag]

I see

okay

[tribal void]

also meteor beam is not worth it on a pokemon unless using power herb

since the 2 turn charge takes too long to fire off

one more thing, zoroark should have protect as to preserve its illusion

plus many mons use protect

so slotting it over u turn

will actually fake illusion of another pokemon much better

and you shouldn't commit a defensive tera type for a sash mon as its main thing is to live one hit while hitting hard

so i recomend tera fire or ghost

torterra's eq is pretty worthless

since it hits all your mons

sure some resist it

but you'd rather either run a single target ground type move

or run some sort of ground immune pokemon along side it to span eq

recomend investing defense onto torkoal if you want to keep body press on it

if you don't want to invest def

its better to run supporting moves like will o wisp, burning jealousy, or just run heat wave for more offensive pressure

[west glacier]

@agile crag Different Version with a few different mons to have a 2nd TR option

https://pokepast.es/c4005f0b8d27a05c

[drifting onyx]

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[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/0c998ca00398bbb8
Or like this with a funny Lax set

[sullen river]

https://pokepast.es/ef9de3e8bacdfc22

Please rate

[west glacier]

@sullen river standard archaludon rain

Bascu FlipTurn for Protect

Pelipper with Sash, Evs 252, 252 Spe, SpAtk is jst better. stellar Tera for extra dmg amp

Ohkos Amoonguss

Torkoal

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

• Hurricane
• Weather Ball
• Tailwind
• Protect

Basculegion @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 28 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Wave Crash
• Last Respects
• Flip Turn
• Aqua Jet

+Incin is counterintuitive in a rain team cause it cuts his flareblitz dmg.

If you dont insist on Intimidate maybe use Rillaboom if you want fake out or someone that profits from rain being up like Kingambit or Gholdengo

@sullen river

[sullen river]

Ty

I use sash on mouse so it doesn’t die immediately

I’ll add flip turn tho

And bulky peliper that can damage is nice. It rarely outspeeds mons even when max speed ev tho

[sullen river]

What do you suggest I replace him with?

I like the intimidate

[west glacier]

If u want intimidate incin is probably still good

[west glacier]

Point of pelipper is to get up Tailwind for Archaludon/incin and itself. Then get a big hit off in the rain when it outspeeds everything that isnt scarfed

[sullen river]

Ok

[severe basin]

https://pokepast.es/64bff32a2c5cbeff

Is the rain team hittin? Or nah?

[unkempt anvil]

Guess who's back at it again with unserious team comps?
https://pokepast.es/2a4a37ef4aacb3f4

[severe basin]

Isn’t that based on last format?

[unkempt anvil]

yeah that's regulation G

cuz it's coming back after H ends

so I'm preparing ahead of time for the Rio regionals

[severe basin]

Ahhhhhhh

Didn’t know

[west glacier]

is porygon to revers TR

cause u aint having stuff that benefits from it

[severe basin]

That was the intended purpose yes

[amber cloud]

https://pokepast.es/80d878f09e1f6d2a
Any item changes or Pokémon changes I should make

[soft nexus]

ice spinner —-> haze dragonite
clear smog Magmar ——> will o wisp

[random wagon]

tera ghost on grimmsnarl

[random wagon]

yeah that looks like mirai/kyogre food

i tried scarf korai and it wasnt actually too bad

https://pokepast.es/4b94a83076e7aeaa

problem is intim

[west glacier]

Thats litterally juat preference

@random wagon mby clear amulet bulk up or sd?

[random wagon]

yeah i just made that team as an experiment

just clam blitz flare charge dragon claw protect

[agile crag]

okay wait

you dropped torkoal?

but i kinda need him for the sun for harvest no?

because harvest goes to 100% chance when you have a sunny day

[west glacier]

Mb forgot abt harvest

[agile crag]

ah okay

[amber cloud]

Alright thanks

[errant merlin]

gambling

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/17a354da75720153

[drifting onyx]

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[west glacier]

Idk im not happy

[shadow nest]

Hello good members of rate my team. I need sum help with this one. Let me explain first. We have a typhlosion and whimsicott mode. And then I want to have a ironpress kommo-o core of 4 mons, but not a lot of things are working. Any ideas?

https://pokepast.es/48b4edf561506731

[shadow nest]

Ok well I know that’s reg G but lemme see. I think swap out oger for something with a little more bulk, drop the haxorus, with fluttermane everywhere it’s not gonna do anything. I would say a Pokemon like roaring moon or fluttermane to take advantage of the sun. And try and find some better EVs instead of 252 252, groudons is great, but the rest could use a little more depth.

[tribal void]

use clear amulet instead of white herb, it does the same thing but better because intimidate is everywhere

if you want a tailwinder tornadus or whimsicott is way better than talonflame

[wet torrent]

https://pokepast.es/2300d4023a65c68c

is this how you send them in?

Anyways, I could use help finding a replacement for gholdengo, he hasn't really done much in the few games I played. haven't even brought him yet

this is a reg H team btw

[tribal void]

i dont think you should have ghold in the first place due to stacking on too many steels probably another ghost type would be good. Also im a bit worried about talon since sand will take away the priority talon gets

you could maybe go annihilape but that takes chip

the best mon i can think of rn is rillaboom or gastrodon

[wet torrent]

Thanks, I’ll probably go with Gast cause I don’t want grassy terrain interfering with chip on the other side

[tribal void]

i also do want to say

sneasler runs through this team

so

[wet torrent]

And don’t worry about Talon, it rarely ever gets sent out next to ttar

Yeah, sneasler is the reason i chose Ghold in the first place😅

Im also pretty sure brave bird with sand chip 1 shots snealer, but i don’t remember the calc so yeah

[west glacier]

run callcs and my man doesnt outspeed booster energy flutter with scarf so yeah swap it for flutter but wont replace oger. Water absorb carries hard as switch in for groudon against rain teams

nvm

fucked the calc

[wet torrent]

How about a tera like rock? Or maybe ground

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/11ca1483060fac86

[drifting onyx]

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[west glacier]

idk tbh...make some calcs to figure out if its worth it

[shadow nest]

Hello good members of rate my team. I need sum help with this one. Let me explain first. We have a typhlosion and whimsicott mode. And then I want to have a ironpress kommo-o core of 4 mons, but not a lot of things are working. Any ideas?

https://pokepast.es/48b4edf561506731

[summer wigeon]

1. all pokemon are gendered except t. piddy and kingambit
2. kommo-o's evs
3. 30 spa iv on gyarados ?

[shadow nest]

I just forgot to gender them, idk why 30 IVs, misclick, and what do you mean kommo-os EVs?

[summer wigeon]

its just so much

like why run anything other than 252 def evs if youre main attack is body press ?

[shadow nest]

Bc I need more diverse EVs, it helps so I can be faster, take special hits, and be bulkier with good damage. Plus with STAB and iron defense it’s already incredibly strong

[wet torrent]

If I may ask, what is flamethrower on the kommo meant to cover for

[shadow nest]

Pairs nice with sun, hits alolan ninetails, and having a special move helps to round out the team, plus I can hit gholdengo

[wet torrent]

I see

Ok makes sense to me

[west glacier]

If your main attack is BP and your EVs arent made to suvive specific hits I would invest a bit more into defense

Kommo-o (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 140 HP / 116 Def / 36 SpA / 116 SpD / 100 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Protect
• Flamethrower

Just this maybe so you hit the bump on 160 defense so you get the 16 extra EVs from the nature

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/23c24cd14a1c96dc

[drifting onyx]

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[west glacier]

I need a 6th slot for this team...I considered someone with TR maybe

[shadow nest]

Thanks a lot, do you mean hit over 160 or try and hit 160

Also do you have any advice for the rest of the team?

[shadow nest]

If you want TR, then Porygon 2 would be a good option

[west glacier]

no

dont to have some one to set it

thouight maybe imprison

to stop it

[west glacier]

116 EVs into Defense

Hits the 160 bump giving it 16 extra stat points from the nature

[shadow nest]

Thanks

[shadow nest]

Hmmmm, good support could be hypno. It’s been coming back recently, it gets haze, TR, imprison, and a bunch of other useful tools

[errant merlin]

i use hatterene with covert cloak but your cloak is on ninetales so idk

tera steel

[kind sail]

https://pokepast.es/b125d78a845e06cb
I tried to cook. I need thoughts on this 💀

I'm keeping golem A btw it's what I was building around

[soft nexus]

ok bro is the only attacking move on your golem explosion

this team is so weird

[crisp osprey]

hi

https://pokepast.es/49d7aa4320f01fbb

[drifting onyx]

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[dusky timber]

choice scarf galvantula with light screen?

ur basculegion moveset is also kinda wack imo

but im kinda new to vgc so i might be wrong here

[white prawn]

@desert lion

post it here

[desert lion]

https://pokepast.es/42023a06aad65418

I’m new here, and to competitive Pokemon

Pls let me know of any suggestions

[languid thorn]

Focus sash exists for hazard setters

[random wagon]

id say just use a sample team before building

[wispy night]

https://pokepast.es/0151eeb19013e082 rate me team?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wanton abyss, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[errant merlin]

last respects over phantom force, wave crash over liquidation

tailwind on pelipper over wide guard

take weather ball off alolan ninetales, use light clay instead of leftovers

focus sash on either galvantula or pelipper

i recommend sash on pelipper and replace galvantula in favor of an anti trick room mon

i run covert cloak imprison hatterene, i think imprison TR farigiraf works too

either safety goggles or covert cloak, both work

maybe even smeargle if you feel like it

[errant merlin]

i run wave crash over aqua jet on basculegion, and personally i think choice band is more consistent with basculegion(i run crunch in place of protect)
no wood hammer on rillaboom?

[desert lion]

Wdym?

[west glacier]

If this is for doubles: Galvantula set is very weird/bad.
Choice Items and Light screen makes no sense as you force yourself to switch out.
Same for sticky web. Swap sticky web with electro web and add another attacking move coverage for light screen or change the choice scarf

[west glacier]

2 different weathers on 1 team is really messy. Maybe just pick one.
Archaludon is solid
Pelipper too. -> Possible: Swap Protect or Wide Guard for Tailwind. If you feel like you are doing good without ok. But u have no speed control right now .
Basculegion is suboptimal -> Last Respects>Phantom Force, Substitute is weird since any move will immediately break it any way, Wave Crash>Liquidation to pick up KOs with Tera even when resisted

Galvantula is straight up bad. -> either get rid of the scarf or swap the move set too only attacking moves.
For sure swap Sticky Web with Electroweb if you want to have the slow. Maybe just replace the mon with a 2nd speed control mon that helps you around trick room.

Ninetales also isnt great with the rest of the team benefiting from rain a lot. Best to swap it for a potential Special Sweeper/dmg dealer. Ursaluna Bloodmoon is strong in TW with max speed for example.
If you want to keep it, you can drop weather ball for icy wind for more utility.

[west glacier]

Solid rain. Wave Crash for Aqua Jet or Flip turn to actually consistently pick up KOs.
Miracle seed and Wood hammer would be a good option for zhe rather "frail" EV spread on your Rillaboom

Instead if 2 times TR with a fast team maybe just run Taunt on one mon. Idk if you want farigiraf or if you only have it to shut down TR

@desert lion Are you making a singles or doubles team?

All your mons are very niche for doubles(which most people here play). Also with a few moves that usually are not used in VGC doubles.

[desert lion]

Doubles

I made the team up off of random Pokémon’s

[west glacier]

Yeah. Hazards arr VERY niche in doubles. You basically only see them as side effects if moves(ceasless edge and cleavor).

Pritect is very important in doubles. U have 0

The Espeon is weird with Baton pass but no set up moves nor screens. Agility on fast Gallade over SD isnt the best.

[desert lion]

Bombirdier has protect

Thank you for the suggestions I’ll add more protect, what do you suggest I use as set up moves for espeon?

[west glacier]

https://pokepast.es/e6b4b0e84633ae65

This team for example has 4 times protect.

No protect on the speedster and the choice mon only.

@desert lion if you wanna build with these mons sure. They just arr not really strong or really used. They can work. Basically anything fully evolved can work but it will be harder. Just as a heads up.

[desert lion]

So how do I find moms that’s are better than mine in general?

[west glacier]

@desert lion maybe check out YT or have a look at websites like Smogon or Labmouse.

Reworked sets to fit doubles and ev spreads partialy optimized.

Florges is just ass so I swapped it for porygon.

Porygon is really bulky and can either set TR for Garganacl or deactivate it for the others.
Bombirdier can set up Tailwind so all your mons can out speed.

https://pokepast.es/54bf99cac6812545

Forgot tera

@desert lion

Something like this could make them work. There would be better options for the specific mons still.

[soft nexus]

https://pokepast.es/ac2894f11ea007e6 uh how’s this (reg g)

[tribal void]

kyogre hates choice items cause it locks it into a move that could be blocked (wide guard, water spout weakening) and flutter mane usually likes a lot of bulk, or no bulk with a sash

arch also has a bad matchup into koraidon, calys, and groudon

kyogre usually runs assault vest or mystic water

if you want archaludon to work, you need some anti koraidon/calys stuff

[soft nexus]

taunt

[tribal void]

its a double edged sword cause while sun from korai causes flutter to outspeed korai and calys, you hate sun cause itsd kyogre

[soft nexus]

not that much wide guard users

[tribal void]

theres a lot

pelliper

[soft nexus]

2

[tribal void]

mienshao

[soft nexus]

nobody will run those

[tribal void]

wdym

[soft nexus]

unless it’s a gimmick

[tribal void]

peliper is very popular

[soft nexus]

reg g

[tribal void]

its used with calyI

yeah

reg g sees both in play

mienshao is uncommon

i can say that

but peliper is still a very big threat

[soft nexus]

which doesn’t do great here

They have pelliper? Thunder

[tribal void]

peli uses sash or helmet

helmet will be fine

but sash might not be

[soft nexus]

priority aqua jet

from urshifu

[tribal void]

but you're going to lock into aqua jet

true

but commiting that much for peliper

[soft nexus]

that’s not that bad

locking into aqua jet

[tribal void]

gives them opportunities

[soft nexus]

It only takes a hard switch

[tribal void]

aqua jet is too weak

also

adamant urshifu is better iirc

cause its exactly 1 point faster than calys

with scarf

[soft nexus]

what if: 252 ev caly

speed

[tribal void]

exactly

it outspeeds that

252 calys is 222 (timid)

252 adamant urshifu scarf is 223

[soft nexus]

what’s urshifu gonna do to caly

[tribal void]

6.3 percent chance to ohko with adamant surging