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[lament rivet]

So do I just replace Torkoal then?

I feel like the weather war would be pointless

[wild sinew]

Replace p2

The issue is too passive of a team

Magnezone is an option

Omg Teh vgc???

Toxicroak kinda bad :( but you can probably try

You definitely want it and Basculegion to have Protect though, broken move. (Over Flip Turn and Knock Off preferably)

Tera Flying/Stellar is better on Pelipper since you're Focus Sash

[lament rivet]

Should I go with choice specs for more damage output or assault vest for additional bulk?

[young hull]

thanks! in my living and learning era

[lament rivet]

How's this? https://pokepast.es/f8af2aa181a54e9f

[distant stump]

Why Magnezone?

I can maybe see it

but it and torkoal stick out like a sore thumb here

your better off pursuing a rain moe I think

[lament rivet]

In that case lemme work on my rain team ☹️

[distant stump]

I mean like

you can go torkoal and probably win games but for me

I think overall composition wise rain makes more sense

[lament rivet]

No I think running a rain team is better

Most of the matches with the TR team were weird

Like my opponents would set up TR so that my Farigiraf would reset it

[keen escarp]

You could go for a rain trio with farig + TR

You have a fast offensive mode in Rain while also having the flexibility provided by TR

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/12113c7388e1478e
I was debating on replacing amoongus with maushold. They both have redirection and can keep archaludon alive, also maushold can beat up archaludon, so i can focus on investing on arch's spdef while maushold increases its def. Also maushold can do encore.
The only reason i ever used amoongus on this team was for dozo counter, and tr counter. Every other game i bring palafin, arch, pelipper and incin. I feel like games where incin isnt the best, i could bring maus to bulk up arch since id be missing out on intimidate and still keep arch alive a little longer while being able to encore is nieche scenarios

[wild sinew]

That's fine, Amoonguss has jobs and it it's been doing them fine, no need to do more. Dondozo, Farigiraf Bloodmoon, and Psyspam are great rn, Amoonguss taking them on for you is great

[potent lion]

you think its fair to swap?

[wild sinew]

I think it's fine to keep Amoonguss

[potent lion]

what your advice on how to take on glimmora for my team? I seem to lose a lot to turn 1 meteor beam

[keen escarp]

Doesn't Archaludon help a lot vs Glimmora

[potent lion]

not if they tera grass

[keen escarp]

You can still snarl them

[potent lion]

a lot of the time i fial to ohko turn 1

[keen escarp]

You don't necessarily have to ohko it. Just forcing its tera is beneficial

[potent lion]

true, but then i have to burn my tera, and even if they dont tera, i still struggle to get a ko until i set up a couple electro shots

[keen escarp]

Archaludon with Snarl and a bulky water like Palafin should be able to clear the board. Not to mention, you have Pollen Puff as well

[keen escarp]

You don't have to Tera Archaludon against Glimmora

[potent lion]

you also think amoongus would be benefitial over mause?

[keen escarp]

In your team? Yeah

[potent lion]

alright, i was just interested in the beatup idea to maximize def while investing in spdef, plus friend gaurd

you think grass tera is good on arch or any other idea?

[keen escarp]

While it does help Archa, the synergy and utility with rest of team is lacking when it comes to Maus here

Tera Grass is good, imo

[potent lion]

cause grass makes me weak to sludge bomb/wave from glimmora

thats another thing i struggle with. I tera to avoid earth power but then succeptible to poison

[keen escarp]

You don't necessarily have to avoid EP, Archa with AV tanks it right?

And can recover with Pollen

It's a guaranteed 3HKO after a Snarl

[potent lion]

it does

should i get rid of flip turn for something like ice punch on palafin? I'm to slow to really want to flip turn into pelipper and when i am hero, I never flip turn

i just added it since im CB

[keen escarp]

Hmm, have you considered Mystic Water or Clear Amulet?

Ice Punch has it's uses, yeah. I used it when I tried Palafin

[potent lion]

yes MW, not CA

i liked MW but CB just adds so much more damage

if i were to use mystic water over band, id wanna add protect since i lack that for my team

[dapper flame]

https://pokepast.es/5bf2a56b284ae566 first team of new reg h ( Yeah i know i need to change the item on inceneroar because of item clause )

[drifting onyx]

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[austere wasp]

in vgc u cant use the same item twice as it has item clause

[dapper flame]

changed it already

[austere wasp]

also Heavy duty boots is kinda never used except glimmora i guess

[dapper flame]

was jsut the old poke paste

[distant stump]

R u coming from singles

[dapper flame]

nah

[distant stump]

Okay okay

Boots are useless

Hazards don exist

And the overall team direction is confused

Half the team

Pala torkoal whimsicott are ho

The other half are slow and stuff

Skeledirge is also kinda weird

And palafin has negative synergy with sun and trick room

What direction do you want to take the team?

[dapper flame]

realizing rn that im pretty fucked against dachsbun

[distant stump]

???

You have much bigger priorities

[keen escarp]

Dachsbun is kinda non-existant now

[distant trellis]

Dachsbun was niche before and rn is just not needed so it doesn't see use

but yeah as said above this team is a bit all over the place and its going in two directions neither of which work with one another

its not that TR and sun can't work on the same team but the main issue is you don't rly have a TR abuser to exploit it, and palafin doesn't want sun up

there's also tailwind

which again is a bit confused alongside TR

ig dirge can sort of be a TR sun attacker but thats about it

[dapper flame]

i mean i could put ninetales instead of torkoal

would be a well less bulkyer option ( not rly tbh ) but it would be more speedy.

https://pokepast.es/66f6e2306675c3a9

a new better version

[potent lion]

if youre tera fairy farig, i think youd be better off running gleam over hyper voice since you dont have throat spray

[potent lion]

looking for anymore advice https://pokepast.es/d8930d6c02a1b305

[stone mortar]

I'm just going off of what other people have said, but iirc Mystic Water works better on Palafin overall, instead of Band

You're also missing a good bit of Fairy coverage by not running Flash Cannon on Archaludon, even tho the reduction from Snarl would be helpful

[distant trellis]

band is for like

maximum power wave crash basically

cause rain plus band plus potential tera is obscene

[potent lion]

i did used to have flash cannon but fairys arent around as much as they used to be. Sylveon is the only one really and it runs tera fire. No flutter, no calyrex theres not as much need for cannon

so you guys suggest MW over band

[distant trellis]

Well imo

It's what do you want from your palafin more

Overwhelming power or flexibility

Because banded palafin will hit immensely hard under rain but it has a significant opportunity cost

I feel archaludon provides a lot of power by itself already so perhaps palafin doesn't need to be overwhelmingly strong too

[wild sinew]

Flip Turn > Drain Punch if you want to use band

Flash Cannon is def better than Snarl, you do plenty well into the common special attackers

[distant trellis]

Yeah I was gonna suggest flip turn

Since you don't care too much about coverage when ur banded you might as well pivot and activate your ability too

However it's also if you wanna keep band

[potent lion]

my palafin is slow though, so i never get flip turn off first

[potent lion]

also what does flash cannon really cover against aside from just fairy tera?

[wild sinew]

You have Fake Out and redirection support
There's nothing to Drain Punch

[potent lion]

I normally lead palafin arch, then switch into pelipper

should i start leading palafin incin?

[wild sinew]

Covering fairies is big enough

Hitting Glimmora, Alolatales, and Bax without committing to Draco is helpful

[wild sinew]

That's an option depending on their team

[potent lion]

so what moveset for palafin? jet, flip, wave and protect?

[distant trellis]

Keep ice punch if you wanna keep band otherwise protect is fine

[wild sinew]

^

[potent lion]

i only added ice punch cause i didnt like flip turn, since my palafin was too slow

[distant trellis]

Protect is useless on a banded pokemon and also ice punch allows you to smack an opposing grass type in a pinch

[potent lion]

i know that, im debating on using MW over band

but if i were to use MW, what moveset?

[distant trellis]

Jet, crash, flip, protect is fine

[potent lion]

should i make palafin faster and less bulky?

[distant trellis]

Ice punch if you really feel like you want that extra coverage to again smack the grasses

[distant trellis]

I'd say so

[potent lion]

i have pelipper and arch walls most grass types

[distant trellis]

Yeah so flip is good

Do remember because of wave crash your bulk is already compromised

[potent lion]

?

[distant trellis]

Wave crash is a recoil move

[potent lion]

yes

so having bulk is volatile since i use recoil?

[distant trellis]

So going bulky on palafin somewhat counteracts that, basically yeah more speed is good here

[potent lion]

do i just max speed and atk?

[distant trellis]

You have supporting mons next to it so you can afford to drop a bit of bulk investment

[distant trellis]

I think that's ok? You can wait for a second opinion on that

[potent lion]

ok

[distant trellis]

You do have jet punch for anything you don't outspeed afterall

[potent lion]

fair

[dusk shoal]

idk rate the team I am just asking for help on what I could do better(ev's/moves/mon swaps/ect)(do NOT expect a GOOD TEAM I AM NEW TO VGC)

https://pokepast.es/7fd771cf6bef5695

[blissful zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/a5a9284e92b7d7f5

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[random wagon]

Id recommend you look at the smogon strstegy dex for a lot

Pao

Terap

And farig should all have sets

Golurk just isnt good

ground types in general kinda fail outside of ursaluna and lando

I recommend regular ursaluna there as it is a phys attacker

You can also probably go 252 HP 252 spatk 4 spdef on torkoal unless you calced for smth

And drop sludge bomb for either flamethrower/heat wave

And exeggutor just sucks

try amoonguss

[random wagon]

The hydreigon feels like it has to be a support and offensive piece

which can be hard

you could try tailwind corv over set yp

Up

Yoy also cant do 80 EVs in a stat

when pokdmon are lvl 50

[blissful zephyr]

Ik but then the damage go off

[random wagon]

You have the dmg with focus energy hydreigon

Also

[blissful zephyr]

Ik I was by accident

[random wagon]

Slow encore isnt good

At least a lot worse than fast/prankster encore

[blissful zephyr]

I did not know what would be the last move there

[random wagon]

Life Dew, After You, and Icy Wind/Thunder Wave are all nice options clefairy gets

Charm as well

And heal pulse

[blissful zephyr]

I like heal pulse

[keen escarp]

Good ol Crit Hydrei. How do you currently deal with Archaludon Rain

[lament rivet]

https://pokepast.es/7626bc86f56cc363

My finished rain team ^^

[past harbor]

last respects isnt that good in 4v4 doubles rigjt

right

[lament rivet]

I mean it's supposed to be a late game sweeper

Even after a single faint it's 100 bp

[lost phoenix]

Band is better on bascu

It gets flip turn which helps a lot early game

Im not sure what clef does? Run miracle seed with glide instead of high horsepower on rilla

[lament rivet]

Clef's basically supposed to help keep its teammates alive since they're not very bulky (except for Archaludon but it gets OHKO'd by SS Gallade)

[lost phoenix]

Also damp rock isnt very useful on peli

[lament rivet]

How come

Are there better options?

[lost phoenix]

It usually is not hard to switch peli back out and back in first of all and second of all a game might not even last that long

On bulkier peli stuff like helm and goggles are preferred, meanwhile offensive peli uses sash very well

[lament rivet]

So I should basically just:

Basc: Life Orb --> Choice Band
Aqua Jet(?) --> Flip Turn

Rilla: Leftovers --> Miracle Seed
High Horsepower --> G-Glide

Peli: Damp --> Sash

[lost phoenix]

Flip instead of tect

Im still not sure about clef but eh

[lament rivet]

I mean I think it can keep my team alive if taunt is non-existent??

I haven't tested it yet

[lost phoenix]

Id advise u to test it before u decide what u want on the team

[lament rivet]

Alrighty

[keen escarp]

It's good

[storm quiver]

Guys give me a good team for national Dex

[distant trellis]

wrong place to ask

[blissful zephyr]

I have no way

He kills my team

[blissful zephyr]

I fixed it so one Iron Defense + body press+helping hand kills archaludon

[blissful zephyr]

I need tailwind setter for mine team

[stone mortar]

If its VGC Reg H, maybe Talonflame?

and if its Reg G, G-Articuno?

[past harbor]

we can also use whimsicott

and for reg g, galarian articuno is a trash tailwind setter, try tornadus or whim

[stone mortar]

G-Articuno has Imprison tho, thats pretty useful, but yeah Whimsicott is a valid choice

[jovial creek]

It's not good enough in a restricted meta

[celest gulch]

hello hello, been getting back into VGC after taking a break from pokemon around 2019. Thoughts? https://pokepast.es/09312b1b432f144d

[past harbor]

you WILL want jet punch on palafin

that priority move is like everything

armorouge seems like antisynergy with rain

[crude otter]

yo

i got a question

is meowscarada any good in reg h or is it too frail

[past harbor]

and uh indeedee does not fit too well with palafin cuz it invalidates jet punch a lotta of the times

[past harbor]

well it does have high speed, the ability to oneshot palafin and flutter mane being away def helps

but uh it has competition with rillaboom

[crude otter]

true

[past harbor]

who has grassy surge and fake out

and more bulk

etc

[crude otter]

i run forcus sash overgrow

or should i run choice band protien

[past harbor]

then again the meta is really new rn so we dont know

[hardy condor]

The first one

[crude otter]

it does have shit typing

so it will usually get 1 tapped

so focus sash can be funny

[hardy condor]

Either stellar or grass Tera would suffice

[crude otter]

yeah i run tera grass

[hardy condor]

Nice! It gives more firepower to flower trick

[crude otter]

yeah

also

do i really need a tailwind mon

i like murkrow but i never really gets brought

because most of my team is either below average speed or fast

[hardy condor]

Ehhh, it depends on the rest of the team

[hardy condor]

You dont need murkrow, meow already has dark coverage

[crude otter]

true

[hardy condor]

Talonflame is likely best option

[crude otter]

i could run the whimsicott but i alrfeady have sylveon and meow

i feel like i just dont want one and would rather have a different support

[hardy condor]

You could run something with fairy tera blast

Or dazzling gleam farigiraf

[crude otter]

rough draft of the team

https://pokepast.es/90fc004db3649617

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[crude otter]

is there anyone whos particularly weak

im most detached to skeli

[hardy condor]

Protect instead of u turn on meow, maybe a different fire type, and trick on ghold

[crude otter]

ok

thaks

trick?

[hardy condor]

Oh, then unaware instead of blaze

[crude otter]

im willing to use skeli

detached not attached

lose

god i cant spell

[hardy condor]

Trick instead of dazzling gleam

[crude otter]

its specs

[hardy condor]

Its all good!

[crude otter]

so different item

[hardy condor]

Scarf works better on this team

[crude otter]

oh im stupid

if i have trick i can lose the specs

than it wont matter

ok

i will

[hardy condor]

Okie dokie!

[crude otter]

what fire type would be better

or pokemon

[hardy condor]

Incineroar, but if you want to use skeledirge, use it!

[crude otter]

ok

il run nicin

[hardy condor]

If incin doesn’t work out for you, you can go with skele, it would make the team look more unorthodox

[crude otter]

lmao

is there anyone i could lose for another support

because i like them all

but i could lose one if a support is better

because i have no status effects

or anything

[hardy condor]

You could use u turn rillaboom instead of meow

Incin rilla has some insane pivoting

[crude otter]

could i manage to fit a bronzong or grimsnarl type support in there. but not those because that would be bad for synergy

with screens or status effects

[hardy condor]

Ehhh, it would not synergize well with the team imo

[crude otter]

ok

thanks

i treid bronzong with another varriant of current team and i didnt work well so that makes sens

im gonna try this team

in showdown

and then see how things go

thanks

also

[crude otter]

can you give me a good incin EV spread because most mons i can do but incin is wild

[hardy condor]

I can give you the one I’m currently using if that would suffice

[crude otter]

sure

i trust you

[hardy condor]

Ok let me get done with something first, then i’ll do that

[crude otter]

ok

thanks

[hardy condor]

You’re welcome!

[past harbor]

ever tried whimsicott?

[crude otter]

yeah

but it would interfere with my team

types

i arleady have a fairy and grass type

i figured somehting out

[hardy condor]

252 HP / 4 Atk / 60 Def / 148 SpD / 44 Spe Careful Nature

[crude otter]

ok

[hardy condor]

Apologies for the wait

[crude otter]

np

thanks

[hardy condor]

You're welcome!

[crude otter]

are most if ites counters sp attackers

[hardy condor]

Yes and no

Defiant/competitive/clear body/clear amulet are the main counters

[spark salmon]

I know they have EXTREMELY bad sets..but I haven't couldn't do much since most VGC sites haven't updated so I just winged it

https://pokepast.es/cf2db75dcaddeee4

[random wagon]

Some are not terrible but they arent great

First of all

Almost all of your pokemon have EVs that simply dont work in VGC

So i recommend checking some other teams or ask around on the VGC discord for in depth help on EVs

[spark salmon]

They banned me in the VGC discord

[random wagon]

Did u try a ban appeal?

[spark salmon]

Nope, and I doubt they'll accept it

[random wagon]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/forums/discord-ban-appeals.599/

a link to it if youd like

[spark salmon]

I was basically wanting to use Hisuian Typhlosion in Reg G but they said it's "Off-Meta"

[random wagon]

Well, it is off meta

Like not good

[spark salmon]

REGARDLESS, they banned me for "not going to the right channel," after sadly accepting to use Chi-Yu

[random wagon]

Well continuing with your team, id say sub or SD over body slam on ursa

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/6c24c6a1a516b991 I need help

With this

[random wagon]

Which channel.did you mention typhlo?

[spark salmon]

The non-off meta channel

[random wagon]

Off meta stuff has ro be in the off meta channe

l

*to be

@clever imp a lot of your EVs simply dont work in VGC

[spark salmon]

Well im changing my team for this reg, and I'm not going back to that discord

[clever imp]

oh

[random wagon]

Id say ask around on the smogon VGC discord

[clever imp]

fuck.

[random wagon]

or ask for teams to find out how to EV

But to put it simply

EVs with level 50 pokemon start with 4

and then aftee that you add 8

so after 4 it would be 12

Then 20

Then 28

36

And so on

[clever imp]

huh

[spark salmon]

4 EVs = 1 additional Stat

[random wagon]

also, empoleon isnt good

[random wagon]

Thats how it works in singles

check how i explain above

not exactly 4 is +1

But i could see empoleon working on the right team

[clever imp]

Like not good in meta or not good in EVs

[random wagon]

But there isnt anything that likes empoleon's competitive ability on your team

Like empoleon generally isnt good right now

[clever imp]

oh

[random wagon]

i think empoleon could work with a lot of phys attackers

but not a lot of your pokemon appreciate empoleon that much imo

[wild sinew]

Setting your pokemon to level 50 and using the EV sliders makes sure you never waste EVs

[clever imp]

okay

[random wagon]

But in regards to everything but EVs

If you truly want empoleon then drop blizzard for hydro pump

otherwise run a different and better water type such as palafin

Tera Grass on incin also feela nice here

*feels

[wild sinew]

Honestly
First core of 4 can work, since none of the other 3 like looking at Incin, while you have ways to take on other stuff

[random wagon]

Also for the whims set, you could drop protect for encore and tera poison for ghost

And moonblast on sylveon feels like a wasted slot

For me in testing CM and psychic have worked out

And a fire tera helps into gholdengo

And idk about tera normal dengo

with CSR and flutter gone

it feels quite a bit less viable

tera water is nice, tera fairy also works here

and tera steel feels like a nice offensive tera

Overall the sets arent terrible, just the EVs are wack

[celest gulch]

yeah in general the team is very reactionary, a lot of these mons are just counters to what i've been losing to while testing random stuff on ladder

i started with indeedee armarouge because i heard psyspam is op and i wanted to counter fake out, then EV'd armarouge to survive tera normal b-ursaluna hyper voice

the rain mode is there because i was getting reamed by torkoal

[past harbor]

you can counter fake out with farigiraf

well assuming they are not mold breaker ofc

[dry granite]

https://pokepast.es/a7139590fd82d8f8
Made a team for new reg, any thoughts?
EV spreads are generally things I found that seem good so there isn’t much of a personal science to it and they’re based on calcs from past reg and some of them are just arbitrary, so if anyone has better spreads do send

[lost phoenix]

Aint gonna get into spreads much, probably run fake tears on whimsi instead of endeavor and sitrus or goggles instead of cloak on incin

Fake tears makes ursa bm be able to ohko near everything

[dry granite]

Yeah I had fake tears on whimsi but I just barely found opportunities to click it

And cloak I just put on for the ditto, but actually sitrus is probs better

[wild sinew]

WhimsApe with no beat up is weird

[lost phoenix]

Its fine

This isnt focused on ape

Ape is here to trade to help ghold and ursa

[wild sinew]

They're running Rage Fist
And don't like Fake tears

[dry granite]

Idk what else you’d have in the last slot

[wild sinew]

Beat Up with Ape

[dry granite]

I meant last slot on ape

[wild sinew]

Protect and helping hand are options ig

[dry granite]

On the scarf ape

[wild sinew]

Shadow Claw is your other Ghost stab ig,

[lost phoenix]

Ig

[dry granite]

Not opposed to fake tears either

I had it until like the most recent iteration

I could switch back to it

Especially w/ the incin and ghold prevalence though there’s a lot of things that dedicate a specific bursa response, that you can’t use fake tears on

[lost phoenix]

The only thing you cant click fake tears on that is good into blursa is av ttar

[dry granite]

Fair enough

I’ll try fake tears a bit more

See if I can get more use out of it

[dry granite]

Are there any better tera types you think?

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/8592a2a4dad11500

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[distant stump]

Ew

U can farm ladder probably

But stinky…

[tropic tinsel]

I just realized that I should run Brave Bird on flamigo

https://pokepast.es/902d0648d39558cd

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/bdac81e1eb4da7f9

just finished a tourny and really struggle against glimmora, any advice? I've tried using flash cannon but i really like snarl to help with gholdengo, armarouge/psyspam and other archaludons

[stray niche]

https://pokepast.es/2fdb290cff252f2e This is my first vgc team. I have taken inspiration from other sources for the regH format. The team is based upon Dragapult, Sylveon, and Arcanine-Hisui using moves to hit multiple targets and using Talonflame and Farigiraf to control the order of the turns. Talonflame has tailwind and Dragapult is already the second fastest attacker while resisting the fastest one in Voltorb so perhaps Farigiraf with trick room could be counterintuitive.

If it is possible, I would like more resources on how to play, a group where I can practice with more experienced players and perhaps other places which discuss how to build teams as this forum only takes fully completed teams.

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[wanton abyss]

Thanks for sharing @stray niche ! First thing I notice is that your team has no way to hit Water types for super effective damage, which isn’t super great considering the amount of strong waters we have in the format. I’d look into options that let you do that. Second thing I notice is that you have no Spore immunities (I.e. grass types, Tera grass, Pokémon holding safety goggles, or Pokemon with an ability that negates the effect of Spore). This leaves you very vulnerable to Amoonguss, which can and will spore your entire team. I would invest in some safety goggles and a Tera grass at minimum, that’s how scary Amoonguss is. Third thing I notice is that Tera Ground Tera Blast. It is very cool, and covers a lot of options, but unfortunately Ground is a not good defensive type so you don’t often see Tera Ground.

To answer your other questions, there are a LOT of VGC resources available, including the Showdown VGC chat, #comp-general here, VGCGuide, YouTubers, etc. They can help you find practice partners, discuss the process of creating a team, and most other concerns

[stray niche]

Thank you so much for the feedback! Based upon your advice, would switching Farigiraf for Meowscarada be an option?
Meowscarada @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass

• Flower Trick
• Sucker Punch
• Knock Off
• Protect

[wanton abyss]

It would be an option! I think it would go better over the Mamoswine slot, as of right now. Mamoswine is very cool, I love Ice/Ground stab coverage, but Meowscarada plugs the holes in your teams much better as a 6th mon

and on Meowscarada, you go Protean on Band, but Overgrow is actually optimal on Sash sets, which is what I would recommend. Protean on sash is just kind of weird, since you’re only running STAB.

On Farig, that is where I would put my Safety Goggles. Mental Herb generally sees use on hard TR teams that need TR up, and your team is not designed like that. In lieu of Tera ground Tera blast, running a defensive Tera + spread move like Tera fairy and dazzling gleam over Tera blast would be better imo

[distant trellis]

https://pokepast.es/b7b168f704acd3d2 its iffy for sure

I'm debating dropping sinistcha for rilla

to have more pivots on the field

also I'm feeling like I should invest more in ttars physical bulk

cause lowkey it ain't doin much

[chilly jasper]

https://pokepast.es/eb6799550e49a131

[distant trellis]

vgc has item clause so dragonite and harcanine can't both be banded btw

[chilly jasper]

Right right I just changed items around to not have prim have specs and took dnites orb

Maybe just like, sitrus berry or something then?

[distant trellis]

hmmm

thing is conk takes the AV which would've been nice

[chilly jasper]

Maybe drop conk for ape?

[distant trellis]

I'm not super good at vgc teambuilding so can't help too much but also uhhh, I think dnite has dual wingbeat btw

[chilly jasper]

Only did last gen

Game freak hates dnite apparently

[distant trellis]

ah

cause ngl aerial ace isn't worth it

[chilly jasper]

It's on there because it's been on the sample set since reg a and was still used in reg f

P sure it's to hit rilla/whims

[prime mountain]

https://pokepast.es/e407c66c80a6e95a first reg h team i've built, lmk if there are improvements that can be made 👍

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/96924d1aef5b1a7a

[random wagon]

weather ball is similar in power to hydro and is more consistent on pelipper

dragon pulse over draco is an option for arch if you are attempting to stay in and just be an unbeatable boss

clear smog amoonguss feels nice here as wel as you just lose to tera grass dozo in a way

and you can probably get away with tera steel/fairy dengo

but i can see why you chose water

im assuming its for palafin under rain and fires without rain?

[random wagon]

weather ball over hydro and protect over wide guard

And either modest or timid pelipper

your arch evs are kinda janky too

Draco can be replaced with dragon pulse if you are trying to stay in though it isnt mandatory

clamulet can be moved to incin

and then you can run goggles incin

and then you can run tera ghost

also interested in what the incin EVs do

also

you cant do 160 EVs

you can do 156 in the spdef though

and 4 in like speed

you also cant do 216 which is on farig

but 212 works

then you can slot 4 into spatk

and you can probably drop hyper voice or dgleam for helping hand on farig

drop hydro pump for wave crash on palafin

drain punch for protect

flip turn or cc for protect

and you can also drop one for haze

and we moved clear amulet here to pala

and you can run tera grass

[prime mountain]

what move do i drop for clear smog

[random wagon]

protect

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/560e3c6385cd879b

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[random wagon]

remove clear amulet for safety goggles on incin

and give clear amulet to palafin

run tera grass palafin

and remove flip turn for jet punch

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/acd0221511318d1f

nobody expects tera poison rilla

[past harbor]

is max spdef REALLY needed on palafin?

[random wagon]

clear smog guss feels better here, dropping protect

bc atm your team gets wrecked by tera grass dozogiri

sash is quite a lot better on pelipper, and then you want tera ghost there

that palafin set is also just janky

if you really want bulk up i suggest reworking the EVs and you might just want wave crash or even liquidation on palafin, though drain punch isnt even that bad imo

and yoh can probably afford going tera grass rilla

[wild sinew]

BU Pfin sucks tho

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/d886d63c5ae35de1

I wanted to use hail but I always struggle with EVs and not sure if my last Pokemon was the best pick

[jovial creek]

Light clay>sash on ninetales

Clear amulet>loaded dice on bax, run Icicle Crash and glaive rush

Make whims sash and 252/252

Make rilla AV

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/eb2c5085fe43d6a1 redid my reg h team for now

[jovial creek]

Sash>damp rock

^on peli

[nimble flame]

k

[nimble flame]

Cant believe i gave in https://pokepast.es/0cc6d598a7ff681f

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/37e1952723572ad6

[tropic tinsel]

Does tr not run a water?

[jovial creek]

Eq is anti synergy with rilla

Probably go dark glasses gambit and AV rilla

Sub/roar over eq

[jovial creek]

Add specs dengo, it's really good with murkrow

[tropic tinsel]

For the record, washtom is here to hit EXACTLY pelipper and nothing else

But I'll try it

[jovial creek]

You are fine into peli

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/d7d5e281bda4ee63 this better?

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[hardy oak]

https://pokepast.es/2e3d953f6b85dcb2

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/bd8afdcb29fa83ee you guys think a tera ghost would be better for archaludon here? the only ground types id be scared of is ursa and dozo EQ. At least with ghost im immune to fake out and fighting types which i feel like are more relevent then ground rn. Also i played a tournament and my biggest struggles were Hdecidueye and sneasler, tera ghost would be really useful against both of those

also i have maushold and incin to deal with amoongus, it doesnt give me to much trouble

[wild sinew]

You can try

I personally prefer Tera Grass since the only good fighting types are Annihilape and Tauros.

[potent lion]

yea but rain teams seem to be more popular than tauros, and when i grass tera, im just weak to so many other things like pelipper, bloodmoon hyper voice, and palafin with ice punch

its like tera grass saves you from a super effective attack for 1 turn, then they have another way of hitting you for weakness

thats why i think ghost could be better, cause most just staple moves hit grass for supereffective like u-turn or hurricane, at least with tera ghost im immune to fakeout, and am immune to fighting types rather than just neutral. also there are a lot less ghost supereffective mons than grass in the format

[wild sinew]

fwiw, Ghost takes the same from Bloodmoon

I'm surprised you ran into Ice Punch Palafin since it's not very good
U turn is a +1 Def boost since its only rlly doing 20% and then you factor in Grassy Terrain recovery

[potent lion]

yea but i dont get hit for weakness by EP

hurricane is a really big problem for tera grass

and body press arch

[wild sinew]

I just didn't think it was worth pointing out as a flaw for Grass

You can always test Ghost if you think opposing rain is a problem

[potent lion]

i win against most rain team mirrors thanks to palafin, but i cant ever tera arch because pelipper. the only time i can ever tera arch safely is in TR matches but i counter TR and palafin/pelipper easily deal with bloodmoon

H decidueye and sneasler counter my team i feel like a lot, especially if they have a form of speed control

[wild sinew]

Idk if you want to Tera arch out of its water resist unless they have Bloodmoon anyway
Which Palafin and Pelipper can threaten well

[potent lion]

the only time i ever tera arch is for amoongus or fighting weakness

ground hasnt threatened me as much as fighting has during this format

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/74ff8dd4d374039a
this this just a modified version from a reg f team which had crown and kingdra before

[keen escarp]

The team looks like it want to do a lot of stuff, but lacks the support to do said stuff

Armar armor cannon is nerf'd in rain

[past harbor]

hisuian decidueye is not a sneasler counter, heck it kind of gets destroyed by dire claw and boosyed close combat

boosted*

[potent lion]

I never said decid was a sneasler counter

I said they both counter my team

[keen escarp]

Kingambit, Archaludon etc seems difficult to deal with as of now

[potent lion]

I'd say remove rocky helmet for psychic seed

You invest fully in physical defense so psychic seed could help you with special as well. Also urshifu isn't around anymore so there's not many contact attackers that'd wanna into indeedee anymore

[plush bluff]

I used to have Incin and amoonguss but they just can't fit in the team

[keen escarp]

Amoong does fit actually

Maybe not on psyspam variant

But amoong is generally good in rain and with gold

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/203ebd43ae178b3b I don't know who would be the last one

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[wild sinew]

I'd go Gholdengo

And Palafin > Basc or Clear Smog > Protect on Amoon for your Dondozo mu

[plush bluff]

I rarely see people use dondozo in ladder rn

[wild sinew]

Optimally you want to avoid having auto lose match ups

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/69a562d7e2ea9fb5 I need to optimize ev spreads and maybe find another mon over tinkaton who can help out vs trick room more

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[sterile flame]

I want to keep the core idea of crit builds and maybe implement some form of redirection so I can set up sd on decidueye

[random wagon]

i feel like decidueye-h works on slower teams better

with the speed investment you have

you underspeed max speed ursa-b

which isnt that fast

252+ Atk Decidueye-Hisui Triple Arrows vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 132-156 (70.2 - 82.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Thats fast blursa

252+ Atk Decidueye-Hisui Triple Arrows vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Ursaluna-Bloodmoon: 132-156 (60.2 - 71.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
And thats bulky

[sterile flame]

It kills on crit which is why i built it that way

But I see what ur saying

What if I put a coaching user on the team

I could also try speed creeping things in tailwind and putting the rest in bulk

[potent lion]

best tera for utility talonflame?

[potent lion]

bruh triple arrows is broken

what was game freak thinking

[sterile flame]

They gave it to an ass pokemon

But it’s so fun so

[wild sinew]

Ghost or Flying

Grass also works ig

[potent lion]

i already have covert cloak so just flying then?

[wild sinew]

You want to handle Fake Out + Jet Punch combo or boost Brave Bird

[potent lion]

well id die to fake out jet punch regardless of if i tera ghost or flying, and id like flying more to boost brave bird, and i have covert for fake out anyway

[potent lion]

can anyone think of any other techs against hisuian decidueye and sneasler aside from just adding talonflame?

https://pokepast.es/bd8afdcb29fa83ee

i dont really like talonflame because i would only use it against decidueye, and if i try leading with it to trick room, it makes my following turns awkward getting arch in safely and pelipper without losing sash. I do really like incin as a way to make arch more physically bulky, plus another trick room counter. I just really really struggle against H decidueye and sneasler

[random wagon]

idt those two are very relevant threats you have to worry about

also doesnt pelipper deal with decidueye?

and pala should take care of sneasler

[potent lion]

decidueye is more common than sneasler

[potent lion]

not if they either have tailwind, fake out, or break my sash

[random wagon]

or just run a psychic move on farig :/

[potent lion]

pelipper only deals with decidueye if they ignore it

should i do psychic over gleam?

[random wagon]

probably psychic noise tbh

[potent lion]

ok

[random wagon]

it helps into guss as well

[potent lion]

and yea, pelipper does deal with it, but if they protect and break my sash, or have any form of speed control it cant get to it

[random wagon]

and stops grassy terrain healing which i assume sneasler benefits from

[potent lion]

i struggle against sneasler as it just completely counters my arch

and its a 50/50 ohko with electro shot

[random wagon]

then draco should KO, no?

[potent lion]

its only a 50/50 at plus 1

from electro shot boost

so no a plus0 draco would not ko

[potent lion]

actually both electro shot and draco do not ko from base, i need either a plus 2 electro shot or a plus 1 draco to ohko a sneasler

[sterile flame]

Run psychic noise on your farig

It’s great into amoongus and sneasler

[sterile flame]

Where did you get this info btw

Cuz no

[potent lion]

in the last 2 tournaments i participated in

[sterile flame]

The last 2 I played had 5 sneasler players 😭

wtf I want ur bracket

[potent lion]

Sitrus-Series|$20 to First|Reg H|#3
4decid 1 sneasler

FlorTour: Vol. XXXV
4:4

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/efb9f0bd057b2488

[past harbor]

do you really need damage output from incin that much? clear amulet incin is uhhhh

idk

[cinder glacier]

What do you think I should do

[random wagon]

if you want incin doing that much damage then at least run flare blitz

you want safety goggles tho

[random wagon]

ive seen incin this format ohkoing bulky gholdengo

its scary tbh

[lost coral]

Can someone rate this reg H Dondozo Tatsugiri team https://pokepast.es/76e26ada3cab7052

Note that this team is using Pokemon from across early regulations as well as the meta support Pokemon Incineroar and Rillaboom

[jovial creek]

I think your team is trying to be dozo and balance at the same time

[lost coral]

Should I try being more balanced or more offensive?

[jovial creek]

Offensive

[lost coral]

Which pokemon do you recommend swapping out to make the team more offensive for reg H?

Like maybe substitute Grimmsnarl with Gholdengo or Pelipper or perhaps Dragapult?

[potent lion]

i dont see pelippe being really relevent here since nothing is taking advantage of rain

but gholdengo could be good

[serene tendon]

I really enjoy the frosslass x tauros gimmick, and would prefer to keep it, but im struggling into whimsicott and maushold quite a bit. Open to any suggestions. https://pokepast.es/cc63e98368000f72

[violet valve]

I really like breloom and I made a team it could support the teams performs decently the flamigo glimora is trying to recreate zapdos galar glimora and also de flamigo is evd to ohko almost any incin, rillaboom, amoogoos, or gholdengho. I wanted to see if I could get any suggestions. https://pokepast.es/1bfd779becc866e0

[fresh flicker]

https://pokepast.es/b72c4acc33a45603

After testing some FWG teams with Palafin, I realized I had terrible matchups against Kinggambit, Dragonite, Garchomp, Dragapult, Ursaluna, TR, and Bloodmoon. So I created a FWG core with Prima rather then Pala, and it's much MORE consistent then the last team. However I wanted to check if there's any improvements I can make.

Rather then using Dragapult, I used Dragonite, because if I wasn't I would have a rather bad matchup against Amoonguss, plus it's a Powerhouse with strong Priority to potentially pick off the opponent.

The speed EV's on prima help it outspeed some Incineroar with speed investment to outspeed it and deal massive damage. And Life Orb was helping prima anyways

Fari and Bloodmoon help form a basic TR core that can serve well outside of trick room.

Tera Grass is on incin for 2 reasons.

1. It resists ground and water which is important.
   And
2. It helps incin be immune to power moves IF it's goggles are knocked off.

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/63eab16f18641198

[fervent dragon]

https://pokepast.es/3a6e16b60828ffe6
Reg H
I have no clue what I'm doing so please give suggestions lol
I would like to use either kingambit or Annihilape

[fresh flicker]

Which one do you like better?

[fervent dragon]

Kingambit

[fresh flicker]

Then maybe try a FDS (Fairy, Dragon, Steel) core.

[fervent dragon]

I'm guessing it would be better to drop one of them but I didn't know what to do lol

[fervent dragon]

What does that mean? I'm not familiar with these acronyms yet

[jovial creek]

thats not really needed

[jovial creek]

don't run hyper beam on palafin

[fervent dragon]

https://pokepast.es/b59a75a47c7bfb96
I tried updating it, thoughts?

[cinder glacier]

I was running Hydro Pump, not sure where Hyper beam went in

[jovial creek]

Don't run that either

[fresh flicker]

You can do Ice Punch for Amoonguss and Rillaboom, Haze for setup sweepers and Dondozo, or CC for a hard hitting fighting type coverage.

[jovial creek]

Or sub

[digital fiber]

How good will Crit Hacks Hydreigon be in this reg, and if it's good, any good team to go with it?

[jovial creek]

you can replace altaria with something like murkrow and make dengo tera steel

[fervent dragon]

I've gotten that suggestion and I'm currently working on it 👍

Any suggestions for partners?

Rn I've got incineroar murk dengo and gambit but no clue on the last 2

[jovial creek]

maybe rillaboom and a water type?

primerina could work

[nimble flame]

@burnt surge

[burnt surge]

I see

What in particular are you struggling with

[nimble flame]

concerns are easy ursaluna isnt doing anything sadly being 1shot to quickly to be used and i legit havent used amoongus at all mainly its always frig inceneroar rilla and gambit im using

[burnt surge]

What is it getting one shot by

[nimble flame]

pelp

weather ball is a pain

another issue is sometimes i cant set up tr because frig gets doubled and it really screws me up

[burnt surge]

I think the way you deal with that is to lead Rilla or Incin

You threaten Fake Out + TR

[nimble flame]

yea im learning that now i just figured its a point to bring up

[burnt surge]

If you think it's too much of an issue, then you can pivot to harder forms of Trick Room

With Indeedee and Hatt/Armarouge over Farigiraf and Rillaboom

[nimble flame]

Farig i prefer due to its ability honestly

[burnt surge]

That's fine

The team currently seems like it would rather small tweaks

Like perhaps a bulkier Incineroar spread

And maybe Flare Blitz instead if Taunt

[nimble flame]

like i said my main issue was i never saw usage with moongus and luna was just not cutting it with rain teams being such a pain

[burnt surge]

Maybe you can rethink the matchup

What kinds of rain leads have you seen?

[nimble flame]

see i thought of using fb but alot if sets ive seen run taunt so i chose it

[nimble flame]

pelp basc, pelp arch, and pelp sinitch but thats interchangable with sinitch rilla

[burnt surge]

Ok

And you've been leading ursa farig?

[nimble flame]

no farig rilla on rain sets ill have rilla u turn into luna tho idk if its better to use incin and parting shot

[burnt surge]

Try using Fake Out instead of immediately U-turning

You can break Pelipper's Focus Sash and gain speed advantage

And if Amoongus doesn't help you on this team

You mentioned Gholdengo

It's a decent choice overall

And is effective into Archaludon

[nimble flame]

yes dengo the only mon i have serious knowledge on

i just remember porygon 2

[burnt surge]

Someone else can probably give better advice but if you make Farig bulkier then dropping Amoongus gives you room for extra firepower

[nimble flame]

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Level: 50
Ability: Download
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Tera Type: Poison
Bold Nature

• Tera Blast
• Ice Beam
• Trick Room
• Recover

should i keep tr? or replace for something different sense i have frig?

[burnt surge]

If you add P2 then keep TR

[nimble flame]

kk

https://pokepast.es/f64c88365c950e84 new version of team

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[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/1c8e247e5dc3da32 faced this just wanna hear opinions on it

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/4a44c80047716293

[tropic tinsel]

I'd add venusaur

Or just any Chlorophyll user (hisuian lilligant)

[fresh flicker]

https://pokepast.es/b72c4acc33a45603

After testing some FWG teams with Palafin, I realized I had terrible matchups against Kinggambit, Dragonite, Garchomp, Dragapult, Ursaluna, TR, and Bloodmoon. So I created a FWG core with Prima rather then Pala, and it's much MORE consistent then the last team. However I wanted to check if there's any improvements I can make.

Rather then using Dragapult, I used Dragonite, because if I wasn't I would have a rather bad matchup against Amoonguss, plus it's a Powerhouse with strong Priority to potentially pick off the opponent.

The speed EV's on prima help it outspeed some Incineroar with speed investment to outspeed it and deal massive damage. And Life Orb was helping prima anyways

Fari and Bloodmoon help form a basic TR core that can serve well outside of trick room.

Tera Grass is on incin for 2 reasons.

1. It resists ground and water which is important.
   And
2. It helps incin be immune to power moves IF it's goggles are knocked off.

(Just reposting this as some players had essentially covered up my team by posting their own unintentionally)

[wild sinew]

I'd consider Haze on Primarina or Will O Wisp on Incineroar for a better Dondozo mu, never feel too safe vs the fish imo.

I don't like Tbolt on Farigiraf, if anything, you want a spread move in Dazzling Gleam to better cover for Sash stuff and Dark types.

Tera Flying Tera Blast Dragonite also just seems straight up better without Chien-Pao to make those Extreme Speeds truly scary.

Other than that looks good

[fresh flicker]

Which slot on prima should I replace for Haze?

[wild sinew]

Ice Beam ideally

[stray niche]

https://pokepast.es/b8d99feb03324e98 I hit T500 with the team @wanton abyss helped me with in here, I am going to try a new team. I wanted to use dondozo as I saw it while playing and thought of it as a powerful strategy.

[hushed dune]

https://pokepast.es/65a12bdfd5512d26

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[hushed dune]

A VGC H Baton Pass core.

[random wagon]

baton pass isnt good like at all in VGC

[hushed dune]

Its shown to be very effective at times, but I am working on making it more consistant

[random wagon]

and there are certainly better abusers than incin

maybe in cts bo1

[hushed dune]

Well, incins utility is good, too

[random wagon]

power trip is so weak at base power and haze+clear smog are everywhere

plus you dozogiri MU feels very weak

[hushed dune]

clear smog is negated by tera steel and bronzong. haze is really anoying, but anihilape, amoongus, incineroar, and ursa function fine against it

[keen escarp]

The only Amoonguss matchup here is Taunt Ursaluna, which I wouldn't say is consistent in handling it. Not to mention, the Rain matchup and HO matchup seems not good

[random wagon]

they can just press clear smog into like incin, ape, or ursa which feel like the abusers of this baton pass

[hushed dune]

clear smog +more setup. Unaware is still a bitch, but stored power kinda works

[keen escarp]

Having 3 very passive mons which requires multiple set up uninterrupted to get going is not ideal

[hushed dune]

the idea is that cosmic power requires a lot of energy to stop, which lets ursaluna and anihilape reek havok

[random wagon]

it requires taunt, haze or clear smog

[keen escarp]

Thing is, team lacks any Protect users. It's not hard to get rid of the teammates in such a scenario

[random wagon]

they could also just ignore the passive set up pokemon, providing you with little firepower

[hushed dune]

then incin or bronzong kills them

[random wagon]

again, taunt haze or clear smog destroy your strat

not to mention just getting ko’d via strong hits

[violet valve]

I really like breloom and I made a team it could support the teams performs decently the flamigo glimora is trying to recreate zapdos galar glimora and also de flamigo is evd to ohko almost any incin, rillaboom, amoogoos, or gholdengho. I wanted to see if I could get any suggestions. https://pokepast.es/1bfd779becc866e0

[random wagon]

like rain teams you really struggle with as GX mentioned

[hushed dune]

how do i struggle with rain teams?

[random wagon]

replace mortal spin with earth power, poison jab with protect, wide guard with protect, but your team is actually quite cool

[random wagon]

how do you stop them?

[keen escarp]

Tera Grass Clear Amulet Palafin

[random wagon]

with no protect it becomes a lot more difficult

[hushed dune]

setup, ammongus, the general plan

[keen escarp]

The team doesn't have any speed control, no protect, and only 1 switch in which can be ignored

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/42c64e0527f7aefc i will do proper evs soon, i just want advice on the structure

Oh also

[random wagon]

FINALLY ANOTHER ROTOM BELIEVER

[lost phoenix]

Rilla

Is supposed to be miracle seed

Thats mb

[keen escarp]

Ayo, fellow Conk enthusiast

[lost phoenix]

Conk seems nice and fixes up the tardrill mu here

So its a nice slot in

[keen escarp]

I would heavily recommend Tera Steel/Fire Hydrei

[lost phoenix]

Oh ya i forgot to change tera type

Doing steel

[keen escarp]

smh

Thoughts on grass rotom to mess with rain?

[lost phoenix]

Could be cool yeah

[random wagon]

that actually sounds kinda cool

[lost phoenix]

Ill test it out

[keen escarp]

I can see the vision with the team though, looks fun

Feels very offensive

[lost phoenix]

Ye thats the point of volt turn

Pressure with constant switching and damage then sweep with the fast mons

[keen escarp]

Yeah

Getting Gen 8 vibes from the team

Conk, Pult, Rotom and Rilla on the same team oo

Brings back memories

[lost phoenix]

Mhm

Good times

[keen escarp]

Ahem

[violet valve]

Thanks I’ll prove it

[random wagon]

np

[violet valve]

It’s working very well especially the change in glimmora for glimora v glimmora matchups and glimmora v incin

[tall ore]

https://pokepast.es/50392227c33ffd2b

just a first thoughts for regulation H

mostly wanting to know if theres better EVs i can use

[digital fiber]

How good could Crit Hax Hydreigon be in this reg? And if it's good, r there any good teams for it?

[random wagon]

it is certainly good, though i recommend asking in the vgc discord

[random wagon]

if you could lmk what the EVs actually do we can go based off of that

[tall ore]

milotic and amoogus i just yoinked from smogon sets tbh, but arcanine is speedy band sweeper, lucario is tailwind sweeper, and florges is my other tailwind sweeper

im just not sure exact ev matchups

if there were any common sets i need to build against

[random wagon]

well your wasting some EVs

with milotic, your def and spe just waste evs

they should be 204 and 44 respectively

[tall ore]

aight

[random wagon]

and with the extra 8 you can dump into defense or speed or split 4 and 4 between spatk spdef or spe

[tall ore]

gotcha, alright ty ty

[random wagon]

same with guss

180 should be 176

And that final 4 can go to speed maybe

allows you to be faster than other guss

id say for harc you might not want a defensive tera

maybe ghost so fake out doesnt stop your momentum

[tall ore]

huge actually

aight bet thank you

[random wagon]

also tera ground florges is meh tbh unless it doesnt have any other options

and a bulkier spread would be better

specifically in the phys def

you prolly want tera dark whims to avoid taunt from murkrow and whims

[tall ore]

https://pokepast.es/07b5e44e8773e06a

so like this?

actually i changed florges to tera steel

[random wagon]

Yup

thats seems nice enough

[tall ore]

aight thanks for the help

[random wagon]

np

[misty tapir]

https://pokepast.es/5c025061b249a0f9

[wild sinew]

I'd go for a fast Ursaluna to make use of both trick room and Tailwind

[misty tapir]

The Hisuian Ursaluna?

[wild sinew]

Bloodmoon

Just make it faster

[misty tapir]

Timid Nature

[wild sinew]

Works

[cinder glacier]

Aquaman (Palafin) (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flip Turn
• Ice Punch
• Wave Crash
• Protect

[jovial creek]

Jet punch>flip turn

Get rid of the spa evs

Make it 244/252+attack/12 speed

[cinder glacier]

IN DEF or sp def

Aquaman (Palafin) (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 244 Def / 12 Spe
Serious Nature

• Close Combat
• Jet Punch
• Wave Crash
• Protect

[jovial creek]

Palafin-Hero @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Jet Punch
• Wave Crash
• Haze
• Protect

there

but make haze cc

[wild sinew]

Mfw the Jolly Incin Wisps me

[fresh flicker]

...

[potent lion]

i still lose to glimmora
https://pokepast.es/9c7d7b1f59882413
if they lead anything with fake out or spdef lowering, i just autolose

glimmora is faster then pelipper and if they break sash, i lose. Arch gets one shot by either sludge bomb with tera or helping hand earth power so its just a 50/50, or they use whimsicott fake tears and ohko me. I cannot find a way to beat glimmora

anything that people have told me to do that "auto beats" glimmora just doesnt work if they have tailwind, fake out, redirection, or damage boost

[wild sinew]

Let's look at this step by step

[potent lion]

ok

[wild sinew]

Lead Peli Arch
What do they lead

[potent lion]

whim glimm

ill show you there team

[wild sinew]

Hurricane Flash Cannon

[potent lion]

they fake tears in arch and earth power and outspeed both my mons and ohko arch

[wild sinew]

Then Whimsicott dies to Hurricane

[potent lion]

and if they tera grass glimm?

[wild sinew]

Now they're also threatened by Hurricane
You bring in Maus or something to protect Peli

[potent lion]

and what if they spiky shield moonblast into pelipper

glimm is still alive, then they kill pelipper before it can kill glimm

[potent lion]

what ev spreads does glimmora usually run

[wild sinew]

252/252 for now

[potent lion]

so flash cannon isnt even a guarenteed ko

[wild sinew]

Then Whims dies again
Now you have two Pokémon that hit glimm
Maus comes in when one dies

[potent lion]

not if i double target glimm

[wild sinew]

252 spa/ speed

[wild sinew]

?

[potent lion]

yea flash cannon is a 50/50

[wild sinew]

Don't double Glimm

Hurricane Whims
Flash Cannon Glimm

[potent lion]

flash cannon doesnt guarentee ohko glimm

[wild sinew]

Oh well
Something in the back can probably kill Glimm

[potent lion]

and if they tera grass, flash cannon only does like 40%, and i lost pelipper

[wild sinew]

If it's 50% to ohko then you do at least 48
You bring in Maushold, Follow Me Draco or if you're comfy, super fang flash Cannon again

[potent lion]

ok so lets follow that logic.
turn 1: i flash cannon into glimm and hurricane into whim
they tera grass glimm and double into pelipper and get the meteor beam boost.
flash cannon does about 40% to glimm

turn 2: i bring in maushold and they spiky shield and moonblast into maushold
i draco into glimm but they protect and maus goes for follow me to try to redirect

turn 3: maus dies to another moonblast and arch goes down then i can maybe ko glimm if they dont predict my tera and sludge bomb

its turn 4, i lost pelipper and maus and have either an un-transformed palafin, useless farig, or incin with an arch and rain ends in 2 turns while they still have whim and 2 other mons

i had to sacrifice 2 mons and my weather to take down 1 pokemon

[wild sinew]

This is worst case scenario

[potent lion]

but the most common one

[wild sinew]

You won't have guaranteed wincons in doubles

[potent lion]

but they do

its so easy for them to play passive and still win against arch

[wild sinew]

Getting outplayed 4 turns in a row which led to a bad trade

[wild sinew]

What if
You targeted Whims while they protected
Or protected Peli while they targeted it
Or switched arch while they targeted it
Or didn't Tera while they Sludge Bombed you

This line loses to another line
But that other line loses to another line

[potent lion]

thats all just luck related things, there no way i have of guarenteeing a succesful play against glimm

i have no guarenteed safe plays agaisnt glimm

[potent lion]

most glimms dont protect turn 1, but they do then yes im in a good spot
if I protect peli then i risk a fake tears EP double up into arch and making no progess
if I switch arch then i go into either maus or palafin and risk either of them getting ohkoed
and tera is just a guessing game whether they think i will or not

[wild sinew]

They don't have guarantee plays vs you either

This is vgc

[wild sinew]

What do they usually do turn 1

[potent lion]

i usually always lead arch palafin/peli and they meteor beam into the slot that isnt arch and either fake out or set up tailwind with their 2nd slot

[wild sinew]

So if you protect Peli + flash Cannon would you not be in a good spot

[potent lion]

yes i would be, but what if they fake out arch?

then they get a free +1

or they dont fake out and instead bring redirection like amoongus and force me to tera

then i die to sludge bomb turn 2 after they get their boost

[teal fiber]

https://pokepast.es/3af8b4f1febb495f

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[teal fiber]

What fera for gholdengo?

Dam i didn't want to ping everyone

[wild sinew]

This is where you don't need to protect
Because Hurricane Flash Cannon has 0 drawbacks
Peli at Sash is okay
Maus is in the back it's okay

Ofc if they protect Amoon + Meteor Beam Glimm while you double Amoon
You're in a bad spot
But that's because you got read

[potent lion]

wdym 0 drawbacks, they get free meteor beam into peli and cause im forced to tera then just ohko me with sludge bomb turn 2

[wild sinew]

You're not forced to Tera if you double their Amoon

[potent lion]

i wouldnt double their amoon

id tera grass to about redirection

[wild sinew]

Why

That burns a Tera when you can kill it

[potent lion]

cause if i dont then they are still at full hp glimm

[wild sinew]

So

[wild sinew]

^

What do they bring after Amoon is down

[potent lion]

lets say a knock off mon cause i ran into that on ladder yesterday

so incin

[wild sinew]

Now you bully Glimm

[potent lion]

its faster than me

they fake out arch most likely predicting a peli protect

[wild sinew]

So you can read that and Peli doesn't protect

Idk what to tell you
The way I've played, half of vgc negative match ups is reads

Gtg, I can respond later if no one else helps

[misty tapir]

Is Palafin better Tera Water or Grass because I'm actually not sure now

[potent lion]

i have a clip of a match and thought i did the best i could, when you get back i want your advice on what i shouldve or couldve done@wild sinew

[misty tapir]

What should the team comp for this be? Like who should go out first or who pairs well with this?

[potent lion]

also this may surprise you, but i never had flash cannon, i replaced it with snarl to help with gholdengo and hydriegon

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/45552efa6c95ab6d

[past harbor]

what are you doing with neutral nature pelipper

[jovial creek]

Make damp rock on peli sash

[cinder glacier]

Alright

[tidal lark]

https://pokepast.es/cf23706473be2372 i have a trick room team, i feel like o need more room setters and more counters for t room counters considering the inly thing really countering room teams with cally ice is lando

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[past harbor]

zama isnt great in trick room, you are better off with stuff like ndw, caly ice and stuff

oh and for non restricted mons you should drop claw, its garbage

trick room teams frequently also pack indeedee and / or farigiraf

and ursaluna bloodmoon

oh and you need some speed control outside of trick room like scarf urshifu or flutter

[tidal lark]

Thanks

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/6302ba8d65074287 Regulation H

Kommo-o Overcoat to prevent spore. no more fluttermane so i dont have to worry about being one shot by moon blast or shadow ball

Annihilape Grassy seed vital spirit bulk up paired with Maushold follow me beatup

Gholdengo standard semi bulky nasty plot make it rain

Talonflame Tailwind/defogger

Rillaboom av fake out/ revenge killer

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[wild sinew]

You don't have a Dondozo check
And are extremely weak to Incin

Making Annihilape Defiant and slotting Haze Primarina over Kommo o fixes these well imo

Unless you were specifically trying to build around Kommo o

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/2c473e26dd03326f this better?

[wild sinew]

Yeah, I'd do Moonblast and Haze on Primarina to beat Dondozo, Fairy STAB is also in general pretty valuable.

Defog is only really useful for screens which is already pretty rare, I think I'd go Flare Blitz since you're already Life Orb. Will O Wisp is also a fair option.

[dense nebula]

👍

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/c0afeb57587893fe

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[keen escarp]

Looks very solid. Only thing I would change is Tera Ghost > Water on Pelipper, and maybe try Tera Grass on Palafin

I'm also not exactly sure how good Tera Fairy on Farig is in this format, as opposed to something like Fire/Water

I would also make Palafin bulkier, and invest some speed on Archaludon

[jovial creek]

Idt you need tera grass fin

[honest dagger]

https://pokepast.es/ae990b28f7756379

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/3cdb990e9ef1f147

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[jovial creek]

Idt you need imprision on farig, you could go something like helping hand instead

[wild sinew]

Only rlly resend a team if you found some problems yourself

[past harbor]

brudda avalugg has negative viability

same for dusknoir

and before you ask me if you need ice punch my answer for that is not

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/763e58e2ec47aeaf can i get help refining this team? reg h vgc

just found out that pollen puff isnt affected by av. which is nice

[random wagon]

tera fairy sylv —> tera fire
power gem —> earth power
tera rock glim —> tera grass
tera grass hydrapple —> tera steel or maybe water
uturn —> parting shot
Tera Fire Incin —> tera grass
Mystic water —> leftovers or throat spray
tera water —> tera grass
Aqua jet —> protect
also interested in what the EVs do, though the metagross and sylveon look a little weird imo

[dense nebula]

cant have two of the same item

[random wagon]

oh im stupid lol

lefties is better for CM prim tho

[dense nebula]

only real issues im having atm are people using annihilape or some form of skill swap slaking

[random wagon]

skill swap slaking is low ladder cheese

also is it scarf ape or mausape?

[dense nebula]

mausape

[random wagon]

hmm

[dense nebula]

mainly doodle king

really annoying

[random wagon]

yeah thats low laddwe cheese still

probably want see it very much in bo3

to deal with mausape you can probably spam hyper voice with prim and sylv

sylv pressures tera fire while prim pressures ape not to tera

[dense nebula]

beat the dude using slaking by spamming dragon tail

👍

doesnt work against annihilape tho since it gets one shot

also having issues with archaludon

[pseudo vessel]

Earth power usually chunks archaludon pretty well

[dense nebula]

Alr

[cosmic ferry]

https://pokepast.es/db73f6f8af0e74c2 been playing around with this for a bit. not sure on the spread for the ludicolo tho

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[cosmic ferry]

any suggestions?

[distant patio]

https://pokepast.es/ff906298faa2a096

Anyone have ideas for who I could replace clefairy for

[teal fiber]

id add a water type
either a fast mon like palafin that works well with rilla and inci for when you cant put tr up, or something that can work in tr like Araquanid, gastrodon or dozo

[keen escarp]

I would add Ursaluna-B

[dense nebula]

bruh how is anyone supposed to get past these stupid stall teams

[random wagon]

tbh raichu and ludicolo just arent good right now

overall the electric-type isnt good

probably slot in amoonguss/rillaboom over ludicolo and possibly incin over raichu

[dense jay]

here is my team for vgc reg h
https://pokepast.es/07c89487cea11c58

[past harbor]

Neutral natures are bad

[dense jay]

why

[past harbor]

You would rather drop a stat to increase another one

Like why would you want to use a neutral nature

[past harbor]

Indeedee does not need any extra attack.

[dense jay]

thanks

other recommends?

[silk girder]

Definitely drop one of indeedee’s attacks for trick room bc if you have 2 setters might as well have both set it

I say drop psychic to chip both but really only to finish off Pokémon who used sash/sturdy

https://pokepast.es/fcdc69aab954c27f

Unless I am missing something I don’t see anything stopping maushold from being a bully in the right conditions with massive flinch chances

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[sterile flame]

Low accuracy

And ghost types

And Rocky helmet

And tailwind

[random wagon]

If you want offensive maushold i suggest running wide lens, dropping follow me for bite and encore or tidy up for protect with a bulkier EV spread and tera ghost.

garganacl just isnt good right now in a rain meta, i suggest swapping it for AV archaludon

Here i suggest dropping whims for pelipper which has proven to be overall better in this meta atm.

the incineroar EVs are janky and they always want parting shot, so i suggest dropping flare blitz

rillaboom is fine except for the EVs which should be changed. Also, miracle seed feels super nice here, since the rest of your team threatens a lot of powerful spatkers.

i can see primarina, but something that beats archaludon and gholdengo like choice scarf annihilape feels pretty good here, you can lead mausape and trip up your opponents that way.

[pseudo vessel]

https://pokepast.es/5c71430dd26bdf0b

I made this team with some input from showdowns VGC chat

[pseudo vessel]

I tweaked it a bit just now, gave the giraffe protect by replacing psychic to capitalize on people doubling down on it

[dense nebula]

Vgc reg h Bo3
https://pokepast.es/1a10566de497778d

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[past harbor]

Tera grass on ape would be good

[dense nebula]

Alr

Thinking of changing out pelliper for politoed and maybe add bascu instead of palafin

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/9c45059d2b41cfa0 altered version of my previous team after several changes

vgc reg h bo3

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[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/10f7add84c29e0c3