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[wanton abyss]

Let’s be a little nicer with our language. Resh has no Gen 9 results and probably won’t win worlds, but had quite a role in Gen 8 2022 and did well at quite a few events paired with Calyrex Ice or Groudon

also, big agree with most of GX’s recommendations. I dont hate Wake here, and double dragon sun has proven to be monstrous more than once. I do not like hitmontop on this team or in this format in general. I can understand it’s purpose as a slot for intimidate, fake out, and wide guard, and I think this team doesn’t necessarily benefit from those and hitmontop compounds a lot of the team’s weaknesses. Something with more bulk and that can switch in easier to more attacks could be worth considering; P2 was my first thought

[fathom token]

too bad reshi is lit chi-yu on steroids

okeyp then guess I'll try it 😗

I'll have to use av reshi tho cuz if not there will be no way of killing other fire types

I'm still a bit scared of leting protect go but sacrifices are sacrifices 🫡

about hitmontop, I have faith in em, his bulk is good enough to swap and resist in battle, and upper hand is a very useful tool having priority threats running around like inci or bolt

eject button is also pretty neat to pivot with em, even more at the start of the battle, haven't seen many mons using this item as good as em

[versed shell]

how could i overcome that? also i actually swapped out amoonguss for sinistcha for hospitality support https://pokepast.es/e8245e99fc2553d2

[drifting onyx]

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[versed shell]

also also, would groudon be a better pick over koraidon or would they be about the same effectiveness

[austere wasp]

Your team does not look like it needs trick room

[versed shell]

it definitely doesnt, it was just an idea i saw from someone else, it's basically just hospitality and matcha gotcha that appeal to me

https://pokepast.es/ae8818ffee99f5b9 this is the team with amoonguss

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/9503c03c2e7f0a8f

[drifting onyx]

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[river thunder]

https://pokepast.es/3c6bf73d041c1fc3
Should I use tornadus or pelipper here?
Let me know if I should replace anything.

@austere wasp

[austere wasp]

I would use Tornadus here

and maybe with sunny day to abuse chi yu & Flutter more

[river thunder]

With sunny day should I keep flutter manes booster energy or replace the item?

[austere wasp]

hmmm unsure keeping it is fine

because only other items i would use for fluttermane is specs / sash which is both used

[jovial creek]

that team is missing a restricted pokemon

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/bda562cafcefbe5e can someone rate the team

[drifting onyx]

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[jovial creek]

are you new to vgc?

[crude otter]

yes mostly

why

a lot of this team was better in reg b but i think i can still use them

[jovial creek]

the sets are very weird

and so are the mon choices

most lunala teams either run setup lunala or tailroom

[crude otter]

wym by that

[jovial creek]

by what

[crude otter]

tailroom?

[jovial creek]

having tailwind and trick room on the same team

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/a840c3e5a9f182af i was trying out tsareena with mirai then i ended up with this anyways

the farig still feels off af tho

idk what to do with that slot

[jovial creek]

has sd hands been working

[lost phoenix]

yeah

its pretty strong and rly bulky

it can 2hko amoonguss after an sd if its in eterrain

and this specific spread ohkoes calyi with +2 and eterrain with wild charge and outspeeds max speed ogerpon

my main ideas have been introducing latios in the farig slot or going back to tsar and doing scarf lando again

but im torn af on it and this has alrdy worked pretty fine so

[crude otter]

is iron bundle still good

because i could defnietly replace my current water type

[lost phoenix]

this isnt the place to ask

go to compgen

but no

bundle isnt good

[crude otter]

ok it was in early competeive i think so thanks

[crude otter]

is anyone willing to give me a rapid strike urshifu

[distant trellis]

again not the place to ask

if you mean in game

thats something for #pkmn-general

[crude otter]

ah thanks

[distant trellis]

np

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/1fd4dc0d4bff50a1 slightly altered team how does it look

[distant trellis]

the annihilape set isn't rly that great

tbh annihilape in general isn't that great rn

[crude otter]

Really

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/c4ca69c25bda6cbb different team i decided to replace indedee because it wasn't going into many battles and replaced it with rilliboom so i could try to keep lunala at full health. i also replaced annihilape with kingambit because its also consistent imo.

[distant trellis]

Yeah you wanna facilitate your restricted mon as much as possible

You usually pick your restricted then build around it basically

Although necrozma dawn wings might be better for you

Generally much better than lunala although lunala is still usable mind you

It just needs a very specific team structure

[jovial creek]

you need to get rid of duraludon, maushold and maybe sylveon

[jovial creek]

thats backwards

[crude otter]

i would do that but i one i dont have ultra sun and cant get a necrosma and 2 i have rilliboom because i run it with leftovers on lunala to hopefully let it stay at full health and be able to use shadow shield more than once.

if i didn't have shadow sheild i would not be running rilliboom

[past harbor]

you can get it in Sv too with group quests.

[crude otter]

i dont have friends

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/bee61b6465bfebe1 need some advice

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Clamulet Kingambit?

[jovial creek]

torn>murkrow, its more offensive to help with the grass types that resist spout and you can set rain back up

sludge bomb>tera blast on lando, it doesn't require you to tera and then you can run tera poison

clear amulet-> black glasses on kingambit, kingambit likes having stats dropped so it can proc defiant

one of poison jab or ice spinner on urshifu-> uturn lets you potentially set rain back up with kyogre

[dense nebula]

completely forgot about defiant

thanks

https://pokepast.es/0e311514288d2683

[crude otter]

ok tell me if you see the vision. https://pokepast.es/510fc6991ed609b0 i get 1 or 2 quiver dances off and baton pass into lunala and switch ogrepon into indedee so i can get psychic terrain and sweep with expanding force

the other 2 are there incase i cant do that strat

[jovial creek]

The meta is too offensive to go for baton pass

Calyrex-I could set up Trick Room and start blasting before you are able to get lunala in

[languid thorn]

hi, i faced you just now

i think bellosom is too weak of a quiver dance carrier

even at +2 boost it can barely 3hko my flutter

[lost phoenix]

^^ bumping this up incase any other raters come online

[languid thorn]

are you hoping to offset trickroom?

i think the current consensus is to run tera ground hyper voice instead

theres very little healing to block in vgc

[twin oyster]

hi, I'm new to VGC pokemon and trying to build a team around Kyogre and Araquanid, but not sure if I should go trick room or tailwind team, or have both with torn and like farigiraf, wondering if anyone has any ideas or experience

[distant trellis]

do you have the team?

[twin oyster]

yeah, this was my first thought https://pokepast.es/6d4a6d614ccd7f56 haven't done any IV spreads yet, before I get the base down, it kinda feels very support heavy and need more offence

I haven't really done much team building, and not super familiar with the current meta, I just think Araquanid is cool

[distant trellis]

Hmm ngl atm this team is being pulled in two directions with tailwind and trick room both being there

If you wanna use araquanid tho it's probably gonna have to be TR, araquanid is very very slow

[twin oyster]

is it worth sticking with slow kyogre in TR, maybe a calm mind set or something, or pivot to something else

[distant trellis]

You can make kyogre more bulky and slow maybe

And drop the specs

Also in the case of TR torn becomes redundant

And you do need more firepower so ursaluna is another potential pick

[twin oyster]

that's a good idea, thanks for the advice, ima play around with it

[crude otter]

the point of it is to baton pass into lunala but i must not have been able to get it off before 2 of my mons died

[crude otter]

thats true but when i make a good read like encoring the trick room than i can hopefully get them to switch which lets me get another quiver or baton pass.

[crude otter]

ive been using lunala as a damage with indedee and expanding force is that a good idea or should i use it as a really bulky support

[snow summit]

https://pokepast.es/ec80adb4b0eff73b first vgc team i tried making

thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

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[distant trellis]

current format is a restricted format btw so you should definitely slot on one restricted legendary

[snow summit]

oh

[jovial creek]

That team looks like it's from an older format, sadly it's very outdated and not viable at all in the current format.

If you are new to vgc then i would recommend using a team that has seen results before

[snow summit]

sry i have no clue how vgc works besides thatyou have to pick 4 from 6

[crude otter]

dondozo is pretty bad but if you like the water typing you could try to get a kyogre

what is the best EV spread for most mons

ive heard 252 252 4 is bad

[past harbor]

its usable on some mons

[jovial creek]

Depends

[snow summit]

What new stuff is there that makes it unviable?

[jovial creek]

Mainly restricted Pokémon since they are noticeably stronger and warp the meta around them

[fervent depot]

https://pokepast.es/ea84e42f30bc219a

Second vgc team i've made so far

[jovial creek]

Looks good, tera dark is probably better on whims.

[wild sinew]

I think you're trying to mix Caly balance (Incineroar Bolt) and Caly Offense (Mienshao Whimsicott) which won't work out great.

I'm guessing you'd want to build around the first 3 Pokemon so I'd recommend Chi-Yu and Clefairy (flex slot but Clef helps match ups exceptionally well) over Raging Bolt and Incineroar

Rillaboom benefits more from a defensive Tera like Fire

[fervent depot]

https://pokepast.es/41f994b9bda1585e How does this look?

[drifting onyx]

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[past harbor]

One thing i recognise right away is that none of them have EVs.

[fervent depot]

they have evs thats weird

oh wait

https://pokepast.es/9c5a4032783597b9

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/57c22112b5462f59 my attempt at making a dozo team

[drifting onyx]

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[austere wasp]

U might want protect to stall tatsu poison

[dense nebula]

think discharge brings it to 1

[austere wasp]

Ohh endure discharge t1 then switch in?

Thats cool

Do u not want flamingo too

[dense nebula]

i could add it yeah

just need options incase they lead into smthn with fake out

[distant stump]

U have like no coverage or speed control here

[dense nebula]

Dozo takes a few hits and has decent speed so i assumed it was fine

[lost phoenix]

mirai needs speed control

most restricteds you pair up with tatsu do

since dozo usually isnt enough as a singular win condition

https://pokepast.es/d335663557603533

i made a new version of this inspired by zees team

[wild sinew]

I like it
Never a big fan of Clam Talon though

[lost phoenix]

Cant run lo since its on lando

Altho ig i could run scarf on lando

Oh i forgot the ability

Good thing i didnt queue up with this lmao

I forgot to change the abils

Wouldve been disaster

[wild sinew]

oops

[lost phoenix]

Neither majesty on tsar or gale wings on talon

[wild sinew]

Leaf Guard Tsareena since they're not gonna priority anyway trust..

[lost phoenix]

me when the ots

[wild sinew]

No one reads it that much

[distant stump]

Just in general

This is far too passive

Gambit incin and dengo are too slow and require pivoting to dodge like fighting or ghost rupes

Types

They just don’t stnergise so well

[dense nebula]

I can add talonflame or murkrow for speed control instead of incin

Since i have gambit with defiant and dozo with Ca

[distant stump]

Talon flame would maybe be fine

Yeah

Would be good

[distant stump]

Gambit does nothing to incineroar

Stacking cm + oblivious is also worthless

It’s not worth running all that to maybe get incineroar not to come out

When it’s not even that bad if it does for u

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/d3b23b2f62ab2373 my atempt on making a team wih sylveon

[keen escarp]

I find a few anti-synergy with the team. Specifically:

1. Misty Terrain prevents Flame Orb from activating, hindering your Ursalina.

2. Quick Attack not functioning in Psychic Terrain

A better answer to Amoonguss would be Taunt Safety Goggles Incineroar

[wanton abyss]

I think I’d like to learn more about how this team plays. GX brings up great points, and it seems like the team isn’t designed for the Sylveon and Ursaluna/Indeedee-F modes to work together. I would like more info on game plans

[keen escarp]

I'm also curious about what role Sylveon fulfills here. If it were me, I would maybe try Helping Hand and Yawn

Alternatively, you could try Fairy Feather and Hyper Beam to try to snipe Calyrex-S

[distant stump]

ur using the wrong ghost type

https://pokepast.es/522caeed1e4b8f20

🔥

in reality u also dont have a lot of coverage

and sylveon isent the kind of mon you can build around

more so something you add on

[keen escarp]

This ^

[dense nebula]

i tera fire and sd usually

With gambit

[novel socket]

https://pokepast.es/08c172d3a32c09e5 Kyorge\Archauldon team

[nimble siren]

I'm not a mod so idk if I'm able to give suggestions

But

I reccomend covert cloak > mental herb

And I think that Kyo needs some investment in bulk

Archaulodan definitely needs some EVs in bulk

Like hp or def

[novel socket]

I tried Archy bulk doesn’t play out too well

[nimble siren]

Well

Those just aren't the EVs for arch imo

[novel socket]

Still can’t take more than 2 Uber attacks or super effective attacks

[nimble siren]

Then why are you running av if you don't want bulk?

Nvm

Disregard that lmao

That was a dumb question

Imo covert cloak is far superior on tornadus

With tera dark

Because you can block taunt with Tera dark

Invest some evs in defense for farig

[novel socket]

Can’t Kyorge and Archy get the Teras bc of Lando/Zama and Raging bolt\Rillaboom

[jovial creek]

Drop valiant

[nimble siren]

You can have Tera dark for different situations

[nimble siren]

Hi bigfoot

[jovial creek]

Hi

[nimble siren]

You probably don't know me lmao

[jovial creek]

Idk people I've talked to forever

[nimble siren]

😂

Alright lmao

[novel socket]

I’m open for suggestions but Val is just there as a utility wide guard and Midridon counter

[nimble siren]

I'm pretty sure there is pokemon that do the same job

Idk off the top of my head

[novel socket]

Midridon hurts Tera Grass Kyorge like hell

[nimble siren]

Tbh arch imo can counter midraidon

[past harbor]

val isnt a miraidon counter

iirc

[nimble siren]

AV?

Also

It prob does alot

Cause you don't invest in spdef nor hp

[jovial creek]

You could run lando I

[nimble siren]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[jovial creek]

Tbf I think the best kyogre set is AV

[nimble siren]

^

[novel socket]

Yeah but Eletrodrift does half damage to both fast and bulk Archy not to mention he’s faster so it’s hard to predict the Tera

[jovial creek]

But then you have to drop arch and allat

So if you want to keep arch then add lando I

And probably make urshifu splash plate

[nimble siren]

Fake mystic water

[novel socket]

Urshifu is my Shadow Caly counter

[nimble siren]

Arch eats

CSR

with av

[novel socket]

Only 2 attacks tho Bulky Archy is ok

[jovial creek]

You have a kyogre

[nimble siren]

Bulky arch is it's best set

[novel socket]

Caly goes first so I have to do Orgin pulse

[jovial creek]

Tailwind

[novel socket]

Calys also have their own form of speed control

Also Scarf Caly out speeds Tailwind Kyorge

[jovial creek]

No one runs scarf caly so you are fine

[nimble siren]

who runs scarf

??

[jovial creek]

And most of the good ones don't run speed controlb

[novel socket]

I’ve seen it, it’s not pretty

[nimble siren]

?

1 time

?

[novel socket]

They also have Trick, Scarf

[nimble siren]

Sorry lmao

[nimble siren]

Where do you see this?

I'm going to look at pikalytics

[novel socket]

VGC online in scarlet

[nimble siren]

damn

[novel socket]

They gave Choice scarf to my Trick room setter

[nimble siren]

💀

That must've been hell

But

[jovial creek]

That's why sv ladder isn't real

[nimble siren]

Pls try a different torn set

With tera dark covert

Also do you have any fake out pressure?

[novel socket]

Nah I’ve been fine without it tbh

[nimble siren]

Try a bulky arch set, and give Kyo some bulk ev wise

[jovial creek]

No fake out is fine

[nimble siren]

I was just asking tbh

But I think he needs some bulk on kyo

[jovial creek]

Yeah probably

[nimble siren]

That's imo

[jovial creek]

Kyogre @ Mystic Water
Level: 50
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 156 SpA / 4 SpD / 44 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Grass
Modest Nature

• Water Spout
• Origin Pulse
• Ice Beam
• Protect

[nimble siren]

He has no bulk on it

[nimble siren]

🐐

[jovial creek]

Stole that from https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/kyogre/vgc/

[novel socket]

I have him in my box stamina doesn’t do anything unless they feed him Zama body press hurts like hell

[nimble siren]

if your hating on arch why do you have it?

[novel socket]

I’ll try it

[novel socket]

He’s a moron but he’s my moron I love him

[jovial creek]

run stalwart

[novel socket]

Ew

[nimble siren]

Lmao

Bigfoot does ursh water with scarf/splash plate normally run bulk? When I use it I give him a solid amount of bulk

[jovial creek]

You can

Smogon set does

[novel socket]

But from what I’ve seen Midridons don’t always do a Electric move straight off the jump (Unless they scarf volt switch) even tho I lead with two Pokémon weak to electric they like to Draco meter and Dazzling so lando isn’t ALWAYS gone have a safe switch in

[nimble siren]

Ok

Lando obviously isn't gonna have a safe switch in

100% of the time

[jovial creek]

You don't switch it in

You lead it next to torn

[novel socket]

Actually that’s not bad

[nimble siren]

Tailwind + earth power if they Tera fairy the turn after then use sludge

I worded that horribly 😭

[novel socket]

Ice Caly is a different can of worms I usually lead with Torn Kyorge to bait the Anillape off the field

[nimble siren]

👍

[novel socket]

Smergle has spore so Tera grass is off limits due to Glacial lance

[nimble siren]

So that's why you need wide guard?

[jovial creek]

Tbf annihilape smeargle isn't too common

[nimble siren]

👍

[jovial creek]

You are probably running scarf lando since it's best

[novel socket]

I see it all the time online

[jovial creek]

Wins if they try to match tailwind

[jovial creek]

It's one of a few good options

[novel socket]

Yeah slows them down and they focus Val

[nimble siren]

so you NEED wide guard

[novel socket]

Yes and no

I like having wide guard against some match ups like Archy vs Groudon

[nimble siren]

❔

[nimble siren]

Oh

Well tbh imo groudon turns into a wet paper bag in rain

But

Blades

Ohh

[jovial creek]

You win groudon like 100% of the time

Lead urshfiu

Switch in kyogre

Gn groudon

[nimble siren]

💤

😴

[novel socket]

I don’t like bringing Ursh against Raging bolt and Rillaboom players so he sits out sometimes

[nimble siren]

don't u have Lando for bolt?

[novel socket]

Fargiriaf if that’s how you spell it

[nimble siren]

No worries on the spelling I'm ass at it, and Lando is great for bolt, rilla can be taken out by IB farig / bleakwind

[novel socket]

I used to run Tera blast Ground Kyorge but I got bullied by grass types still so I changed it

[nimble siren]

😭

Rilla gets bullied by your Tera flying arch

[novel socket]

He does

[nimble siren]

And bolt

Gets bullied by

lando

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 28 Def / 36 SpA / 164 SpD / 28 Spe
Modest Nature

• Draco Meteor
• Flash Cannon
• Electro Shot
• Body Press

Stolen from smogon but with Tera flying

[novel socket]

That’s the one I have in my box

[nimble siren]

Use it again

[novel socket]

I’ve been have but once tail wind is up he’s the slowest in the room

[nimble siren]

😭

[novel socket]

Also about covert I never had a problem with fake out unless they lead Midridon and a fake out user they usually fake out Kyorge

[nimble siren]

Ok

Well

[novel socket]

Can covert by pass Encore?

[nimble siren]

No

[novel socket]

Bruh

[nimble siren]

Just keep mental herb then

But

Add some bulk to that tornadus

[novel socket]

He’s specially defensive

Getting out sped by other Prankster users sucks tho

[nimble siren]

Defensively

[nimble siren]

Try a different set

Not set

Spread

🤣

[novel socket]

I be mad ash when they set up tail wind I taunt and they have mental herb I don’t like Whimscott too unpredictable

[nimble siren]

Fair

[novel socket]

BUT

Being slower than prankster users has its perks

[nimble siren]

Tornadus @ Mental Herb
Level: 50
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD / 28 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Dark
Modest Nature

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Rain Dance

[nimble siren]

Lmao

[nimble siren]

Stolen from smogon x2

But with mental herb

[novel socket]

Got it

[nimble siren]

And modest

[nimble siren]

Your team looks good 👍

[novel socket]

I mean it’s ok Kyorge has the least usage rate of Ubers and I refuse to use those dam horses

[nimble siren]

Kyo is the Uber I main lmao

I use it the most atleast

[novel socket]

Origin pulse is the best clutch or worst fumble no in between

[nimble siren]

I swear I've lost atleast 10 games cause of orig pulse

[novel socket]

Mines is bc of Archy

I was +5 in defense and and he still gets hurt by fighting moves

[nimble siren]

I don't run arch 😭

[novel socket]

Good it’s a hot mess

[nimble siren]

I used to 🤣

Its

[novel socket]

I don’t like his Draco I can’t one shot Ubers unless I set up and still a chance of missing

[nimble siren]

Interesting

[nimble siren]

I run Draco tbh

Only missed it once

[novel socket]

I run pulse Draco misses lot for me I’ve hit more Hypnosis with Val more than Archy Draco

[nimble siren]

💀

[novel socket]

Bulky Ubers eat non set up Dracos and I wind up in negative 2 for nothing

[nimble siren]

Sad 😭

The only reason I replaced arch is I didn't like how it played, and AV Kyo is king

However I switch between specs + AV lmao

Can't decide which I like more

[novel socket]

Oh I kinda let Kyorge get a few Spouts and die let Archy buff up with eletro with the remaining rain if Torn goes down instead of Kyorge it’s even better

I’ve never been of fan of switching in and out frantically

[nimble siren]

I am a fan of switching in and out frantically 🤣

[novel socket]

I used to lead with Kyorge and Archy and have Torn and Ursh in the back

[novel socket]

Archy can’t switch out bc Yk the buffs

[nimble siren]

I used to only lead Kyo Torn

[nimble siren]

Indeed

[novel socket]

And also gotta be careful around other weather setter bc one eletro misclick and I’m waiting

[nimble siren]

Arch just doesn't fit my play style

[novel socket]

Also is it just me or does Body press Archy does literally nothing

[nimble siren]

I've had success with it

Mostly against ursh dark

Pao

[novel socket]

Even with the stat boost

[nimble siren]

And chi yu

But

Tailwind was needed

[novel socket]

I don’t body press them they like to Tera ghost

I prefer to use my SP moves

[nimble siren]

Tbh I've seen stellar a lot lately

[nimble siren]

That's fair

[novel socket]

They tend to run sash

[nimble siren]

I run band personally

[nimble siren]

Yeah

But tbf most ursh I see are rs

[novel socket]

Also I’ve had a mishap with my team and getting out sped in Trick room against a Choice Shadow Caly

[nimble siren]

?

[novel socket]

He used after you with clefairy dawg

[nimble siren]

Ohhh

Lmao

[nimble siren]

I hate clefairy with a passion

[novel socket]

On bro

[nimble siren]

It is the most annoying thing ever

[novel socket]

I tried to copy ts afterwards with Hatterene but it’s really weak with bulk but I made some people give up with it

[nimble siren]

That's good

But I just hate anything with clefairy

[novel socket]

I also run Tsreena with my teams time to time

Back in galar I used Kyorge Zapdos Zacian and Porygon 2

[nimble siren]

I love P2

[novel socket]

Beefy boy

Anyways what your Kyorge team looks like rn

[nimble siren]

It's weird lmao

Gimme a sec

This is the specs one

https://pokepast.es/6d91797c3cd4d911

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[nimble siren]

Then the AV one

Is just the exact same thing

But with AV kyo

Lmao

Ally switch for bo1 CTS

[wild sinew]

Id recommend Tornadus > Regieleki and Iron Hands > Urshifu as big changes

[nimble siren]

Oh lmao I wasn't asking for help but I will for sure take it

Any advice is good

[novel socket]

What’s with the blood moon TR counter?

[nimble siren]

Oh BM is just a monster imo

[wild sinew]

Tailwind + Setting up rain dance if they use other weather is really helpful

[nimble siren]

yeah lol I'll take any advice, no team is perfect 🤞

[novel socket]

I tried Farig dazzling gleam I hate it

[nimble siren]

I Iove it

[novel socket]

Feels like a water down version of Hyper voice for me

Also ally switch is a bold move

[nimble siren]

When I play bo3 that shits gone in an instant

For imprison

But when I play CTS

For example on the switch lol

It comes in handy

[novel socket]

Not a fan of Hydro pump tbf

[nimble siren]

Hydro pump is peak imo

[novel socket]

Thunder is low key better in my opinion

I don’t run Thunder bc I have Archy

[nimble siren]

I don't run thunder cause of eleki

[novel socket]

Oh yeah

[nimble siren]

Eleki is the definition of a glass cannon

[novel socket]

Ik I’ve seen them in VGC

[nimble siren]

It comes in clutch with electro web -> water spout

And it's just fast as shit 😭

[novel socket]

Pretty much but isn’t he a lead Pokémon couldn’t they just switch out and get rid of it

Tons of Pokémon that can tank water spout for some reason

[nimble siren]

They could, however the mons that are that tanky, get very very weakened from it

Allows me to take them out late game.

[novel socket]

So how does your team deal with the horses

[nimble siren]

Caly S is eleki food

And

Caly I is Kyo specs food, but when I run av

Its ursh dark/reversing tr farig

[novel socket]

For Caly S I lead with torn Ursh Tera water if they have priority switch to Farig if they don’t rain dance

[nimble siren]

That works 👍

[novel socket]

Caly I lead with Torn Farig taunting Smergle and Imprisonment

Then have Archy and Kyorge in the back

[nimble siren]

Both are very good answers, but what happens if it's a glacial lance off rip and torn goes down and farig takes a decent chunk?

Very rare lmao

But could happen

[novel socket]

He still needs to set TR

[nimble siren]

👍

[novel socket]

But the Caly I match up is a mess for me

They like to Tera grass

[nimble siren]

The players on Pokemon Scarlet ladder are a different breed

[novel socket]

Pretty much

[nimble siren]

It's only Scarlet too 🤣

I have violet, and it's all normal people

Who run normal sets

[novel socket]

we can also run that grass ruins Pokémon

I like hitting hard and moving fast it’s not my cup of tea

[nimble siren]

I like

Strong attackers

That's it

Lmao

And TR

[novel socket]

Sucks Farig can’t learn taunt

[nimble siren]

It should

[novel socket]

For

Fr

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/4ad380d545ea1803

I feel tho the team has potential in some way I just see a underlying weakness to high speed and strong physical attackers as most of mine are special attackers and defenders

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[jovial creek]

The current format allows for you to use a restricted Pokémon that is stronger than other normal pokemon.

[sand minnow]

So I should change on of my mons for a restricted mon but idk what would fit the team synergy

[pseudo vessel]

You'd usually pick your restricted mons first and then build around them

[sand minnow]

Okk cool I’ll have to try think of one as idk what would be best lol

[pseudo vessel]

You can look at the sample teams for inspiration

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• Discord
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Overview

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[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/4e7fc0bb11eb8783
Does this look as if it could work

[wild sinew]

A lot of these pokemon are unfortunately pretty bad

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[opal thicket]

does anyone have a sample set for Tinkaton? or any recommendations lol, for vgc

[past harbor]

wrong channel, and we have better support options anyways.

[clever imp]

https://pokepast.es/54828869f18c171e I Feel Like I was on a drug from putting Incaroar on this am I wrong or Nah

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[clever imp]

oh shit I forgor about the Scarf

fuck

[wild sinew]

Icy Wind is a nice utility move but you don't want to be choice locked into it with your restricted, would recommend Hydro Pump to get around Wide Guard. Thunder is also an option to hit Tera Water Pokemon if you wish.

Tornadus prefers Rain Dance over Protect to fair better against sun.

Farigiraf is better than Incineroar here, Specs Kyogre is especially vulnerable to Fake Out and other priority that forces you to Tera. Farigiraf can also help against Trick Room.

Raichu is a pretty bad Pokemon, Landorus or Ursaluna-B work better if you want a stronger Miraidon match up.

[plush bluff]

I wanted to try a instruct team https://pokepast.es/651fc9b5f7844ff4

[past harbor]

When I play min speed smeargle, ive usually tried using covert cloak over sash on smeargle but thats just me.

[hardy condor]

Icy wind on kyo is not the best idea, perhaps go for thunder instead

[next rover]

https://pokepast.es/83b8a191b76aa31b I'm quite enjoying this team. I've used it once and won, I think mainly because people don't expect Forretress, nor how defensive it is. I am a bit worried about having both Ting-Lu and Forretress since they seem to serve similar purposes. I'm also not sure about Amoonggus. I have a Mewtwo I might want to add to the team instead, a coverage Choice Specs mon.

I'm also wondering if I should get rid of the hazard moves on Forretress and Ting-Lu. Has to be too slow, right?

I might think about adding Mewtwo instead of Ting-Lu. Does that sound good? Mewtwo has Grass Knot and essentially makes Water Spout on Kyogre useless. On the other hand, Ting-Lu is my only response to Raging Bolt.

[past harbor]

can you tell me why are you not using a restricted mon? and why are you considering mewtwo when calyrex-shadow is right there?

[past harbor]

hazards are not viable in vgc

[next rover]

I forgot to add one honestly, and I wanted to use Mewtwo because I like it. I do have a Calyrex-shadow, I guess. I just didn't feel like having it, or didn't think to really. But I suppose I could.

[next rover]

I suppose Ting-Lu is kind of useless then? Like, I could just use anything else that uses EQ and get a similar result

I mean I could use other restricted Pokémon, I suppose, not necessarily Mewtwo. But I did enjoy using it and it hasn't died like immediately.

I don't have a good argument for using Mewtwo, like I understand what the meta is. But I'm more into mixing it up a bit.

[past harbor]

Lu isn’t useless, it’s used on some teams like on Ho-Oh teams (quite niche)

[past harbor]

If you want to mix it up, try ndw trick room, my personal favorite.

[next rover]

Oooh, I'd love to run a Ho-oh team. VGC and not Ubers then, I assume?

[next rover]

May I ask what that is?

[opal thicket]

any thoughts?

[jovial creek]

do you know what a pokepaste is?

[opal thicket]

do you know how to open a picture?

[jovial creek]

wdym

[flat sphinx]

https://pokepast.es/5b2322a2284d93b3 idk im new to vgc

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[past harbor]

Discharge over overheat

[wild sinew]

Would recommend learning the format with sample teams before building your own teams

3.5 of these pokemon are bad

[flat sphinx]

yeah your probably right thanks

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/f0e936ffae268e3e Ok i gotta know is this gonna work. its supposed to be multiple strategies that it can do to counter what my opponet has. i can run beat up maushold and justified terrakion. or i can run coaching terrakion and tera water ogerpon. or i can run rain dance tornadus, surging strikes urshifu. point is it is unpredictable and i can do almost anything with it. did i cook?

[crude otter]

if your new you should do that but when you get more experienced any team can be viable if you figure out a certain strategy. i think ogerpon has crazy potential if someone can figure out a great set but its new. theres a lot of pokemon with situational abilities and moves that can be crazy with a certain setup.

[crude otter]

its just easier to post the link to pokepaste lmao

[past harbor]

ok first all of your mons need a different tera type

kyurem is already bad with incin everywhere

lacks a reliable ice stab without loaded dice, and it kinda just folds to intimidate and wisp

oh and zamazenta cooks

so many of the ev spreads are random and unviable

252 in both defenses is almost always unviable

[jovial creek]

That team just isn't good

[past harbor]

yeah i guess i cannot list out all of whats wrong : (

[past harbor]

true, but its probably better to list out stuff thats wrong.... but im probably wrong on this lol.

[hardy condor]

Question: Making a kyogre team, and i’m stuck between if i want to use volcarona or incineroar… here’s what i know:

1. Tornadus prefers taunt over protect if i use Volcarona, but protect if incineroar
2. Volcarona is supportive, trying to figure out if i want struggle bug on it instead of protect or not
3. Incineroar will have taunt instead of Will o wisp

Based on this info, what should I do?

[crude otter]

if i may ask why im new to competetive

realtively

i made a pretty good team in reg c

and quit until now

[wild sinew]

252 hp generally gives more optimal bulk

[crude otter]

ok

thats fair

i thought that my point of running 252 252 on ogerpon is that if the strat works well it gets 3 attack boosts, a defense boost and a sepcail defense boost

[wild sinew]

Non team questions generally go in one of the comp general channels

Volcarona is preferred for a Kyogre team tho

[crude otter]

so multiplying the defense i thought would work better

[wild sinew]

A big issue is that a lot of the pokemon aren't good

[hardy condor]

Ahh thank you, I didn’t know that existed!

[crude otter]

the point is that it can be flexible and undpredictable

and i do want to replace kyrum

[wild sinew]

Definitely

Kyurem B's Ice STAB is incredibly lackluster and it is Intimidate food without Clear Amulet. With Clear Amulet you quickly notice power and speed issues, especially with 65 and 80 Base Power STAB moves.

Terrakion's typing is pretty awful and it's not fast enough to reliably click coaching. Becomes a Tera hog when you want to save that Tera for your legendary

[crude otter]

true

its also meant to double as a justified sweeper if i cant click coaching

[wild sinew]

Offensive Maushold is pretty mediocre because of Ghost types and its frailty which doesn't help it in a double battle

[crude otter]

true but its also meant to be a beat up user

but can also be offensive and get a ko or follow me

i could replace the coacher and replace maushold?

[wild sinew]

The idea is neat but your sweeper is really slow and weak to a lot

Not to mention how prevalent spread moves like Astral Barrage and Dazzling Gleam are

[crude otter]

true

yeah thats true

[wild sinew]

I think it's best to start from a good restricted Pokemon

[crude otter]

yeah but i cant get calirex because im not spending 30$ and 5 hours of my time

for dlc

i already have the urshifu

from scarlet violet dlc

what is a good restricted that i can also get

i also have legends arceus

[wild sinew]

All the SV legendaries are good

Koraidon, Miraidon, and Terapagos

[crude otter]

i can also get every snacksworth legendary

although my main strat usually teras ogerpon

so terapagos i dont know if it would be that good

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[wild sinew]

Some helpful resources

[crude otter]

it would be a good secondary legendary if we were in 2 restricted format

[wild sinew]

Terapagos is generally not partnered with Ogerpon
And when it is, Ogerpon acts as an offensive support rather than a Pokemon you sweep with

[crude otter]

yeah true

so i probablty wont run it

i do have pokemon shield

i could get crowned zama

but i dont want to play shield

[sleek laurel]

Just get one from trading or rental teams tbh lol

[crude otter]

i figured out a different team and strategy but thanks il think about that for others

[sleek laurel]

Ah ok, gl lol

[crude otter]

thanks

[violet meteor]

https://pokepast.es/91f7169731ff0049 trying to make porygon-z work. im pretty happy with the pokemon, although I haven’t seen many opportunities to bring ogerpon so im fine with replacement suggestions. ev spreads are pretty standard, porygon is eved to barely outspeed scarf urshifu-rapid

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[lost phoenix]

On a team like this without many ground types/teras/protects id much rather have tera fairy dgleam on mirai instead of tera elec discharge, if you wanna keep tera elec discharge id probably add an actuak ground like landorus-i somewhere, probably over urshifu rapid

Id generally advise on not using stuff like poryz but honestly it doesnt seem the worst

[violet meteor]

ok yeah that makes sense, i like the tera fairy dgleam a lot more

[violet meteor]

yeah its been a lot of fun to use surprisingly, the tricked scarf messes up terapagos and the twave is super nice utility

tera ghost tera blast also picks up the ohko on caly-s while doing 70-83% on caly-i which is great

[lost phoenix]

It isnt like the most viable thing but it could defo be worse lol

[lament rivet]

Got bored of my rain team so I decided to make a tr team with Smeargle

https://pokepast.es/fc18bb2ed0046636

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[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/832785869d945083 how is the team. i have ursuluna ev trained to outspeed a mairidon if we have tailwind.

[wild sinew]

I'd drop Incin for Bolt and go all in on the offense
Otherwise looks good
Annihilape > Amoonguss is also another option to help set up Trick Room

[crude otter]

did bro just say drop incin

i never thought i owuld hear that

from a vgc player

[wild sinew]

Wait till you hear that it isn't the best mon anymore

[crude otter]

what happneed

to it

if anything

[wild sinew]

Raging Bolt is broken this format

[crude otter]

rip too bad i dont have scarlet dlc

[keen escarp]

Hello. One thing I noticed is the team having one heck of a fire weakness. Chi-Yu in Sun would obliterate it. Some changes I would recommend. I would advice you to either run Tera Fire on Calyrex-I, or carry a rain setter if you intend to go with Tera Grass. Some changes I would recommend:

• Amoongus -> Pelipper: You get a rain setter, has wide guard if needed. You don't necessarily need Amoonguss here, as you already have Smeargle, Fake Out etc.

• Tera Normal -> Tera Grass on Smeargle: Being Amoonguss immune can be handy to set up TR and simply ignore it. Once Amoonguss is out, you can Decorate spam. Alternatively, Tera Ghost is also good.

• Like Luna mentioned, you can swap out Incineroar for Raging Bolt. Having priority is good, and Raging Bolt has amazing bulk and typing, and is great to handle the Water-types that can otherwise survive Calyrex-I's onslaught.

[crude otter]

pls rate

[keen escarp]

Essay GX returns

[wild sinew]

Assault Vest Terapagos isn't good, you're vulnerable to Fake Out while doing incredibly lackluster damage, would recommend trying to build around a Choice Specs or Calm Mind set.

Your team (Tornadus/Wellspring/Incineroar) fits Calm Mind Terapagos better imo.

Chi Yu and Ursaluna-B are probably too offensive to fit though. I'd recommend Rillaboom to still help vs Miraidon while providing Fake Out support, makes it easier to set up Calm Mind.

Then you'd ideally look into a Pokemon that helps against Koraidon, Thunder Wave Flutter Mane is probably the most effective and easy to use.

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[keen escarp]

Luna coming in with an essay oO

[wild sinew]

The dex page should help with sets, primarily the waterpon EVs

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/78ff8ebc33e9d77f

[keen escarp]

Is the format confirmed

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/ca16356f3fdd0345
I use tsareena as a nieche priority blocker along with a nonpriority taunt user, should i just use imprison indeedee at that point? since i'll also be able to change terrain and block protect

[jovial creek]

no

[jovial creek]

we only do offical formats, anything past reg G hasn't been confirmed

[potent lion]

@stone mortar https://pokepast.es/7075bdb1fe046933

ignore farigiraf, still wip

[stone mortar]

Seems like a decent team, I'm gonna say Imprison, you already got Protect on two mons, so that should cover well

also I like that you use specs kyogre instead of scarf so that if needed you can pop trick room and not worry about it

thats a nice set

[potent lion]

so then should i use HH or protect? HH helps with calcs such as Arch ohko shadow rider, kyogre ohko AV rilla, and kyogre ohko zama with origin pulse, rather than spout just to name a few

[potent lion]

specs water spout is just so powerful, enough speed to outspeed anything with tailwind, and torn ogre lead ohkos almost anything

[stone mortar]

Yeah, on second thought HH sounds good to me

[potent lion]

its just hard to choose between blocking protect, or getting those calcs under my belt

[stone mortar]

Except that isnt HH physical?

[potent lion]

helpind hand?

no?

[stone mortar]

OH I thought you meant High Horsepower for a sec I'm so dumb

I apologize

[potent lion]

lol np

[stone mortar]

Yeah Helping Hand is amazing

[potent lion]

helping hand helps with these calcs

[stone mortar]

I use it on my Caly-Ice Trick Room set

But yeah that team is looking pretty solid

[potent lion]

i used to have tsareena

as a nieche priority blocker along with non prankster taunt

but it just doesnt do good aside from that

farigiraf does that but also perma blocks it rather than temp, but also can support. The only thing tsreena had that farigiraf doesnt is a way to ohko flutter

[stone mortar]

I like Tsareena, its a good mon
But with its stat spread, it just doesn't serve that role well

[potent lion]

best ev spreads for farigiraf?

[stone mortar]

I'd say, with Cud Chew, max hp max SpDef

bulky set

[potent lion]

i want armor tail

[stone mortar]

Ah

[potent lion]

since im replacing tsareena

[stone mortar]

I mean a bulky set could still work

[potent lion]

is it worth using goggles? i already have torn to deal with amogus

[stone mortar]

Honestly if tornadus is in the equation, goggles isnt really worth it

[potent lion]

plus grass tera kyogre

[stone mortar]

Yeah that too

You got enough coverage with that

[potent lion]

i just thing sitrus then right?

[stone mortar]

Yeah, sounds good

[potent lion]

i think max hp is a no brainer, but what calcs should i keep in mind?

[stone mortar]

I'm not really experienced enough to realize specific calcs vs well known mons to be honest

I just kinda generally work with it, role-wise

This is the Farigiraf set I was thinking for yours tho
Before you said you wanted Armor Tail lol

Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Cud Chew
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 24 Def / 164 SpD / 68 Spe
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Trick Room
• Helping Hand
• Imprison

iirc it should base outspeed any Hatterenes or somthin to use Imprison

if not just give up the 24 in def

Calm is also a nature I could recommend

[potent lion]

ill give my spread here in a miniute

[stone mortar]

Alrighty

[potent lion]

so farigiraf outspeeds hatterene without investment

[stone mortar]

Oh it does? I thought Hatterene has like 70-80 in speed

Maybe I'm thinking of another one

[potent lion]

its 49

giraffe is 80

[stone mortar]

oh I was way off lmao

[potent lion]

even with max speed investment, haterene only reaches 81, which id be able to ignore by going to 82

[stone mortar]

Ok so Farigiraf can safely Imprison easily

[potent lion]

but how often will people use max speed hatereene

[stone mortar]

Not often lmao

Its usually sashed

So not much use in it

I personally use tera fire mystical fire with max SpA on a sashed trick room Hatt

or Healing Wish

[potent lion]

almost always surives tera bloodmoon, 95% of the time, survives 2 u-turns from AV rilla, almost always survives origin pulse, always survives tera fairy specs moonblast from flutter, always survive +1 lance from ice rider, and always survive max draco from bolt

Farigiraf (F) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Def / 44 SpA / 148 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Trick Room
• Imprison
• Helping Hand

the only thing that is unfortunate is i get one shot by miraidon with terrain if they use either draco or drift, even if they dont tera

[stone mortar]

Do people even use Mirai that much in VGC?

[potent lion]

id say so

its about as used as ice rider i think

[stone mortar]

Ah gotcha

Well if this is the end product, I'd have to say its extremely solid
Lmk how it goes if you want, I wanna see how it performs

[potent lion]

will do

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/c2c7aa5cdf347cdb pre reg H team

couldnt figure out good incinerour ev spread

[random wagon]

I personally dont think Wide Guard will be necessary in regulation h

You can probably run helping hand there

And drop hh on incin for Taunt, Wisp or even blitz tho i dont really recommend the last one

[potent lion]

honestly, fair

plus pelipper will be along side arch a lot more often then inc

what physical attackers threaten my team? dondozo and meowscarada maybe

[random wagon]

Dozo doesnt feel like that much of a issue, you either press clear smog or spore the tera steel ones

And mewos is scary, but you can prolly play around it thanks to arch+incin

[potent lion]

So Taunt would be better on incin

I just wish I could practice it

[random wagon]

yeah lol

wisp might be better actually

[potent lion]

what physical attackers really threaten my team?

[random wagon]

Id say be on thr look out for the twk you mentioned but you should be fine

[wild sinew]

We can't really rate the team without knowing the meta

[potent lion]

fair, just thinking about some reg A threats

[wild sinew]

Weezing food 🙄
(I'm the only Weezing player)

[potent lion]

when does the season officialy start?

[lament rivet]

Fixed version (didn't mean to @ my bad)

https://pokepast.es/d61ced7b29eeb60a

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[wild sinew]

September
But a showdown ladder should be up much earlier

[potent lion]

it just started tonight

season 21?

[wild sinew]

Isn't that G

[potent lion]

just now realizing yea

[rocky egret]

https://pokepast.es/30ec22325e752652 Reg H team I just built

[lament rivet]

Tried to make a tailwind team for Reg H.....

https://pokepast.es/51a9fd426fdeb705

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[keen escarp]

As the format isn't a day old yet, not fully able to give a comprehensive rating. But after taking a look, I can find some flaws and can suggest some changes.

• The EV's are very unoptimized. A lot of EVs are wasted. Keep the (4+8n) rule in mind when EVing. 60 EVs and 64 EVs provides the same points etc.

• Palafin/Basculegion > Empoleon: To take advantage of rain and Tailwind, a much more offensive threat is better. Both Palafin and Basculegion hits very hard, has access to prio/Swift Swim.

• Rocky Helmet/Sitrus Berry on Amoonguss: Eject Button doesn't hold much value on this team. Rocky Helmet can chip down opposing physical attackers quickly, or Sitrus can be opted for longevity.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[lament rivet]

4+8n rule?

Nvm I think ik what that means

[stone mortar]

@potent lion Sorry for the ping, but I tried out your team with the water spout kyogre and dual speed control

I absolutley dominated a few matches, so I'd say the team worked out pretty well lmao
(Just lmk if you want me to stop using it though, I will if you want)

[potent lion]

Idc lol I don't own a pokemon team

I'm just glad it works

[potent lion]

Yea me either

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/b6423cc9763b8945

I was really excited for the new regulation I think I team like this could work but I need help with EVs

[violet valve]

i just made this team https://pokepast.es/79d596a10569f789 im not very sure about it it has 5 wins 3 losses but if anyone can help me improve it i would be very grateful. The main idea is garchomp and gardevoir getting a lot of kills.

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/983ac94611f4ffe8 really hyped about the possibility of snow in reg H

[wild sinew]

I don't like Whimsicott here, just slot Tailwind over Wide Guard on Pelipper and replace it with Rillaboom. Whimsicott a bit too passive to bring with your rain or switching stuff.

[jovial creek]

I think murkrow can be changed, haze is anti synergy with bax. Pala should be mystic water with something like CC over flip turn

[lost phoenix]

flip turns good

[hybrid summit]

What would you advise as speed control instead of murkrow?

[lost phoenix]

esp since this doesnt have much for goth

if u really want speed control u can go with corv

but idt its necessary

[jovial creek]

I'm not sure if you need speed control

You have lots of bulky mons with prio

Also add protect on bax

And probably glide over knock on rilla

[jovial creek]

With flip you get hard walled by archualadon

[lost phoenix]

yes but flip lets it be much less of a momentum sink

[jovial creek]

They have double fake out

[lost phoenix]

you can use the murk slot and use like ursa bm there to hit it

imo

i mean i guess

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[wild sinew]

I recommend Moonblast over Shadow Ball for strong single target stab

Clear Amulet is definitely optimal on Garchomp, Incin otherwise bullies the team a bit hard.

Gyarados and Meowscarada look off here, as they are better on bulkier structures. Would look into Hydrapple because the team kind of just loses to Ursaluna Bloodmoon.

You probably want Gholdengo in the Gyarados slot, Murkrow's best friend.

Would go more offensive Harc here, Choice Band with Flare Blitz and Head Smash. Much scarier under Tailwind

[lost phoenix]

slot ursa bm instead of murkrow

[jovial creek]

I don't think that team has the support for bm

No tr

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/f6c60652fcf74c10 ill post this before it pings

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/30aa4b944a8d37d0 okay I made some changes

[lost phoenix]

eh youd still want a ground to hit steels n fires anyways

[jovial creek]

Looks good

[lost phoenix]

but that ursa set is not it

[jovial creek]

Maybe go swift swim basc?

[lost phoenix]

defo an option

[wild sinew]

Swift Swim is way better on Band, Peli is ass speed control (might even recommend dropping twind for Protect)

[lost phoenix]

i just liked adapt cuz it has funny af damage calcs along with tera water

[jovial creek]

Nah drop helping hand imo

Tw is a cool niche option

[wild sinew]

Counterpoint

[lost phoenix]

can ohko tauros if it doesnt get the intimidate off

with tera water

[jovial creek]

Just don't make it whole matchups

[wild sinew]

Hh Tera Water Wave Crash ohkos Arch

[lost phoenix]

and bax

and most rillaboom

[jovial creek]

How much do you take from electro shot

Or wood hammer

[lost phoenix]

you dont take electro shot as u outspeed

[wild sinew]

You kill them if you use helping hand!

[lost phoenix]

adapt is also very helpful outside of rain into stuff like tera norm ursa

[jovial creek]

Send calc pls

I'm not braining

[wild sinew]

I think you in general want something for trick room in the last slot

[lost phoenix]

252 Atk Choice Band Adaptability Tera Water Basculegion Helping Hand Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Archaludon in Rain: 186-220 (94.4 - 111.6%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

[jovial creek]

Go knock over protect on incin

[lost phoenix]

and bax and rilla r way less bulky

[wild sinew]

If BM or Regular Luna get into position team is kinda doomed

[jovial creek]

Arch is faster than basc

[lost phoenix]

arch isnt running max speed

[hybrid summit]

Will do! Do you have some advice on bax and alolan ninetales movesets? really not sure about those

[lost phoenix]

ever

[jovial creek]

I'm gonna go do that now

[lost phoenix]

well gl losing the arch 1v1

anyways

lets not clutter the rmt

[jovial creek]

Bax is cool maybe make blizzard moonblast on ninetales?

Up to you

[wild sinew]

Ice Shard Glaive Rush SD Protect is what I'd recommend for Baxcalibur

Alolatales might want Protect over one of the Ice type moves

[jovial creek]

Or protect over encore

[lost phoenix]

freeze dry isnt needed at all

imo

[wild sinew]

Or Protect > Encore and Moonblast > Freeze Dry yh

[lost phoenix]

and i would never go ursa bm without blood moon

use it instead of vacuum wave

[jovial creek]

Yeah you could go moonblast over ice move and protect over encore

[wild sinew]

Grassy Seed Calm Mind Bloodmoon if real...

[hybrid summit]

yeah after realising the only thing i keep wanting to encore has good as gold i switched it out lol

[jovial creek]

Wait that team has no fairy resist

[wild sinew]

Fairies suck they'll be fine

[jovial creek]

There are a few good ones

(2)

[lost phoenix]

Sylv and prim are good enough to consider

U can prob run ghold instead of ursa bm too

[jovial creek]

That was my idea

You don't want to get 4-0d by specs sylv+tr

[jovial creek]

I think bax wants a better ice move

[lost phoenix]

Ice shard is good to get rid of glaive rush effect

[jovial creek]

True but glaive rush as the only strong move feels weird to me

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/3459cae8cf007eba this is my current set-up after your tips

[wild sinew]

If Dragon Dance sure

[jovial creek]

Ice shard probably works

You can test it

[jovial creek]

Go ghold over bm imo and then it should be good

[wild sinew]

I think the Pokemon are good

Go Max hp rather than speed on Palafin and Rillaboom, Baxcalibur probably wants a mix but smth like 196 Hp works

[hybrid summit]

Which natures then? adamant?

[jovial creek]

Adamant for both

[wild sinew]

Yeah

All 3

[hybrid summit]

I mainly added ursaBM for archaludon, isn't that more necessary than gold for fairy?

[jovial creek]

You have bax and Palafin for arch

Ghold should also do a solid amount with shadow ball

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/3236d99311288eb3 ursaluna
https://pokepast.es/e8032887ab96be92 gholdengo

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[hybrid summit]

oh whoops didn't mean to ping the bot

[jovial creek]

It does that

Change dengo to lefties

[hybrid summit]

Thank you guys so much! this team is way better than what I started with. Have a nice evening!

[snow ingot]

i really need some help, since reg H has banned the threat urshifu, i want to step in to get the master rank ribbons on my pokemon, so this is what i came up with:
https://pokepast.es/0680bae8f6ffd9cb
but it hasn't been doing very well, so i regrettably switched out falinks for this team:
https://pokepast.es/470c59672e4cc89c
which has been doing better, but i really do want to include falinks in some way. if there is anyone who can make falinks important to a team, it would be highly appreciated!

[past harbor]

why are you using arcanine over the GOAT incin

feraligatr is bad, stuff like palafin is right there

[snow ingot]

like i said, i wanna get the master rank ribbons on my pokemon, i dont care for using the important stuff

[past harbor]

pelipper > politied

[past harbor]

oh

if you are not using the best mons then this isnt a competitive team

[snow ingot]

so every match has to be a mirror match or i wont get far

thats what this whole deal is

[past harbor]

not all teams are the same

incin is still gonna be everywhere but we will prolly have more options than all the same things

no more raging bolt, flutter mane, tornadus, etc

this meta WILL be more diverse, but you still gotta know whats outclassed and whats not. if you refuse to use the better options then idk what to say.

then again i like incin better than arcanine and i also like palafin over feraligatr all day but thats besides the point

[violet valve]

Thanks for the suggestions clear amulet on garchomp and adding gholdengo improved a lot the team but the Hydrapple feels off this is the team now https://pokepast.es/7d60be568c338ad3

[wild sinew]

I see, if it continues to be underwhelming, consider Amoonguss instead

You primarily want something to not lose to Ursaluna Bloodmoon

[violet valve]

Ok thanks I’ll try more and if it continues beimg underwhelming I’ll change it

[potent lion]

https://pokepast.es/d0ac22febfc1ac0f

[past harbor]

You are missing a move

[potent lion]

i know, i posted it for someone earlier for advice

[wild sinew]

Sableye doesn't really do anything here
Bloodmoon to abuse trick room and help vs Weezing or Incineroar to make justifying Palafin > Basculegion easier are preferable

[potent lion]

I used to have incineroar, wanted another way to rain dance, but decided to being incin back

I'll paste my new team here shortly

https://pokepast.es/ed76a55a6341f8c7

You think I should replace farigiraf with bloodmoon?

I use farigiraf to prevent/take advantage of trick room, also to prevent priority but priority seems less relevant now unless it's kingambit

[potent lion]

It would also give me another offensive option if I want hyper offense

[crude otter]

https://pokepast.es/b92d5de117a60eab how is this team

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[wild sinew]

I think team's pace is a bit too slow which is anti synergy with Murkrow. I'd drop it for Grimmsnarl, which lets your pokemon set up much easier.

Clear Amulet is ideal on Garchomp for Incineoar, and I think Throat Spray Hyper Voice is just a better set up for Sylveon without taking so much recoil or being passive early.

With the changes Meowscarada doesn't really synergise with the team, Rillaboom helps provide more support for your set up and can actually take on the stuff on rain teams.

You have Sylveon I don't get why you'd go Tera Blast Fairy over Shadow Ball on Skelidirge.

Rotom is a weird choice but it can work, I'd use Tera Steel to wall the Ursaluna formes, capitalising on its niche further.

You should also go much more offensive with these spreads, Modest and Adamant on stuff, Max speed investment on Garchomp, etc, Vgc is too fast paced to get away with how passive your threats are.

[wild sinew]

This looks good, I'd definitely go Clear Amulet, Safety Goggles, or Mystic Water Palafin though, Choice Band is kind of a poor set on balance.

Focus Sash isn't taken so that's just a better option on Pelipper imo, it isn't only there to set rain, flying stab is scary and you want to punish the grass types that like going against rain as much as possible.

[potent lion]

I said the exact same thing and someone argued with me as to why eject button is better. I might just stick with sash to be able to secure Tailwind as well

[potent lion]

And I'm still kinda torn between mystic water and band

[wild sinew]

Eject button can be fun to pivot in Palafin faster but that would be if all Peli could do was set rain
Peli likes clicking helping hand and hitting Amoonguss/Rillaboom with Hurricane

[potent lion]

Should I keep the bulk or just max speed and spatk

[wild sinew]

Your focus sash so max/max Modest is best

[potent lion]

Gotcha

[potent lion]

What about this?@wild sinew

[jovial creek]

Farig is fine there

[wild sinew]

Unnecessary
Bloodmoon feels kind of sketchy there

[potent lion]

I just feel like I'm missing out on more offensive pressure when all I have is palafin and arch

[jovial creek]

Peli can do damage too

[potent lion]

Fair

Should I keep weather ball or protect?

I like weather ball as another really powerful move for early game

[jovial creek]

You should have weather ball and hurricane always

[potent lion]

Then HH and Tailwind is good?

[jovial creek]

If you want

[potent lion]

Alright ty. Is incineroars ev spread ok? I couldn't really think of many benchmarks to hit

[jovial creek]

Could also go protect>tw

Look good

Format is too early to be really calcing

[potent lion]

I like HH to help Arch do more with early game electro shot

What's a typical good ev spread for incin?

[jovial creek]

I think @wild sinew has one

[wild sinew]

244/4/124/0/76+/60
Can go slower for more special bulk

[potent lion]

Perfect, thank you much

[crude otter]

should i bring incin over the skeledurge

[crude otter]

.

[wild sinew]

Skeli is fine

[snow ingot]

i made some revisions to my falinks team from MoxieBoosted's video of falinks, of course without the legends
https://pokepast.es/c00ec12026a37364
i still want to keep falinks to take it to master rank for the ribbon, but any tips or changes would be appreciated.

[rocky egret]

https://pokepast.es/a454a935c981481e
This is the team I've been building, but I can't find any good EV spreads for Ghold, Palafin, or Ursa-BM
(reg H)

[rocky egret]

yoooooo fellow falinks enjoyer
Something I'd reccomend if you're running falinks is that you atleast have one either psych up mon or flamigo so you can get a lot more use out of the boost from No Retreat, though tbf I haven't played with it in the format so far

[wild sinew]

Don't worry about EVs too much, especially when its the beginning of the format, just understand what the Pokemon wants to do (stick around to set up, outspeed and kill stuff, support the team, etc)

I don't like Whimsicott here, rest of your Pokemon want to play under Trick Room or as a balance structure. Would look into Amoonguss or Rillaboom instead, they help Palafin, Gholdengo, and Farigiraf get what they want to get ready.

I'm not keen on flip turn here, would try out Taunt, Substitute, and even CC. Team is also pretty poor into Incin so I'd look into Clear Amulet.

Looks good otherwise

[hybrid summit]

Hi all, yesterday I posted a team here that I got a lot of great advice on. While playing with however I found that palafin was a bit too clunky a bit too often. Figured I should try some other water types in its stead and I found Tauros-PA to be quite good. can I get some advice on this adjusted version? https://pokepast.es/bcbd3372db9426fc

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[lost phoenix]

Tauros is pretty great, im not sure what rock slide hits here tho

Id just use wave crash

Stab + still hits peli hard

[hybrid summit]

Yeah I wasn't sure about my last move, but isn't wave crash a bit superfluous next to raging bull?

Figured I could also scrap the band and maybe go protect or bulk up

[lost phoenix]

And band its a good move because its a good bit stronger

[hybrid summit]

So it's just a case of calcing when raging bull doesn't do the job? Alright, thanks!

[lost phoenix]

Ye

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/1be7e793ace8d33f
RegH

[snow summit]

https://pokepast.es/7b76932470e9d96f thoughts on my reg h team?

[lost phoenix]

I prefer bascu with rain but if youre gonna be using pala, run an attack like flip turn ice punch or close combat instead of haze

And run clear smog on amoong

U can also run goggles on incin

[hybrid summit]

Try some more defensive teras. Also VGC has item clause so you gotta lose the AV on either rhyperior or rilla. Also why not just switch out bisharp for kingambit?

[snow summit]

Lol I completely forgot to change tera types. And yeah kingambit makes more sense. Should I keep defiant because of how common intimidate is?

[hybrid summit]

Yes

Supreme overlord is much less strong in vgc than in ou

[snow summit]

Also ik this is kind of a stupid question but

How do I use this team

I kinda just made it without any goal or direction

[hybrid summit]

Yeah I'm not a big fan of it. Keep in mind I am very inexperienced in VGC but these are my main problems with it:

• Ninetales does 2 things, it sets up snow and aurora veil. You don't have anything that wants snow, and aurora veil is mainly used so you can set up, which you also don't have. Try either switching it out or adding 1 or 2 set up mons. Baxcalibur is a great partner for ninetales because it gets a defense boost in snow which allows it to set up Swords Dance or Ice Shard
• Rhyperior is a bit weird here. It's very fragile to water and grass while almost any team right now runs rillaboom and palafin or other strong water types. It doesn't have many redeeming qualities for those obvious weaknesses. Try swapping it out for something like Ursaluna BM

So definitely get rid of rhperior and bisharp and either add a partner for atales or scrap it as well

[snow summit]

What if I drop rhype for bax?

[hybrid summit]

Works!

At least I think it would work better than this. Worth testing out at least!

[snow summit]

Alr

Also why swords dance on bax?

It has not so great speed

Would dance work better?

[hybrid summit]

if you swords dance you use ice shard

[snow summit]

Oh I see

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regh-2172072613-j3xx9hcu5lmzjw3e9bz92fypf18ds9ypw also I forgot to give incineroar intimidate and bax swords dance but how would you say my play was here?

[keen escarp]

The team looks like it has the means to function effectively. I would certainly change Bax tera to something else, like Poison

[jovial creek]

What is it right now?

Oh yeah id change it to a more defensive type

[keen escarp]

Though right now, team looks like it has a Archaludon issue

[snow summit]

Yeah smogon says poison

But I was confused

Isn't it only protecting against the fighting weakness

I kept dragon to get super strong glaive rushes

[snow summit]

Close Combat on palafin and antirain from ninetales?

[keen escarp]

Thing is, Archa can snipe ninetales switch in with flash cannon

I guess Palafin works to an extent

If they have speed control though, Archa could electro shot it, so need to be careful about it

[snow summit]

He's either got to electro shot my palafin and risk getting locked in with ninetales switch in or flash cannon on ninetales, risking me not switching in and taking major damage from cc

[hybrid summit]

Also fairy, but there aren't a lot of strong fairy types at the moment aside from primarina and atales

I'm running tera fairy on mine

[fresh flicker]

Sylveon exists

Sylveon is actually pretty great.

[hybrid summit]

I haven't been too impressed by it but alright 3 fairy types then

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/f0a592fd8cc0b070

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[jovial creek]

Mystic water>band on palafin

[wild sinew]

I'd say your Psyspam match up is plenty good without Wide Guard on Pelipper, Protect or Helping Hand provide you with a lot more value

[jovial creek]

Maybe make arch tera grass?

[woeful parrot]

I'd replace flip turn with protect then right?

[woeful parrot]

How come? Out of curiosity

[jovial creek]

amoonguss

[jovial creek]

yeah

[woeful parrot]

Makes sense

https://pokepast.es/eb22b6c7b6bc8a28
This better?

[jovial creek]

looks good

[lament rivet]

I have a problem with making a lot of teams https://pokepast.es/58f771f727f53395

[wild sinew]

This is too passive imo, replace one of the Trick Room setters for another Pokemon, ideally something strong vs Rain

[young hull]

https://pokepast.es/a083fa4d0c612b82 how does this 6 look? i havent gotten to eving yet but i think toxicroak rain could work maybe??????????

surf pelliper seemed like a fun tech to activate stamina and heal croak

[lament rivet]

I'm thinking of replacing P2 with an electric type like Magnezone or Ampharos to deal with water types

I already have Torkoal to deal with the rain

[wild sinew]

Other way around, Pelipper is very good into both of your damage pokemon