VGC Rates

[lost phoenix]

Av volt switch or hslam?

[keen escarp]

Clear amu hands is too frail atm, especially on an offensive team such as this

Hmm, try both. Pick the one based on which you use and regret less

That's what I did lol

I would also make pagos faster. Not sure how much, but atleast make it outspeed scarf modest chi yu in twind

And maybe speed creep other specs pagos

Other than that, team seems fine

[lost phoenix]

Kk will do

Ty

[keen escarp]

Hope it helped, good luck!

[lost phoenix]

Decided on taunt > dgleam flutt for tr and amoong, made hands tera grass ice punch for lando kyogre and tsar kyogre, also helps against bloodmoon

Taunt flutt also helps into jug kyogre

[keen escarp]

Drain punch is better against blood moon, but yeah ice punch is nice against the rest

[pallid void]

https://pokepast.es/0d8b51be9868a283 I was trying to build around terapogos + smeargle but it's been a while since I played VGC and I'm unsure what the rest of the team should look like (this is just something I slapped togetheer)

[wild sinew]

The big thing is probably the Terapagos set

You want to ideally build around a Specs nuke or Calm Mind sweeper
Life Orb has anti synergy with Tera Shell and the bulk + Tailwind means it's usually not worth setting up Rock Polish.

[lost phoenix]

Meant that moreso for a case for tera grass

[pallid void]

Hmm, so perhaps switch to either a calm mind set or spec sweeper?

[wild sinew]

Yeah
Then you can edit the team to support it properly
Looking at Top Cut Explorer would be a great help

[pallid void]

I kinda prefer the ability to switch moves so maybe something with a bit more bulk and sans the specs? Since I'm already setting up tailwind or decorate with smeargle

[lost phoenix]

You can also use meteor beam here

[wild sinew]

Never,,

[pallid void]

Never-?

[wild sinew]

Prob try out CM then

Was saying never to Meteor Beam

[lost phoenix]

Its good!!

[wild sinew]

Nu uh!!

[pallid void]

I will try both bc why not

So I tried power herb and I can't really say bc I just got absolutely bodied by eerie impulse thundurus the whole game

Which speaking of, what are some ways to deal with thundurus?

[keen escarp]

Redirection helps assuming they are Cloak

or Chien pao just bops it

[pallid void]

So, I looked on that big list of tournament winning teams and their pastes and adapted another terapogos team that was there

https://pokepast.es/6503f65dc0164dc7 This look decent?

The terapogos on meteor beam is for testing, could totally switch to CM later

[keen escarp]

With Decorate smeargle, I think it would be better to go for CM set for long term value

I would also run either Spore or Fake Out > Feint on Smeargle

[pallid void]

Terapagos @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Tera Shift
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 172 HP / 236 SpA / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 15 Atk

• Tera Starstorm
• Thunderbolt
• Protect
• Calm Mind

Something like this work?

Also solves my eerie impulse issue

[keen escarp]

Not clear amu. Run cloak

And I would get rid of tbolt for Earth Power

Eerie impulse is an outlier, I wouldn't heavily prep for it

Between calm mind and decorate, you can outpace it

[snow star]

https://pokepast.es/ba1f69b157c5b45f

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pallid void]

Cloak is already on tornadus

• helpful against incin parting shot and any icy wind/electro-webs

[keen escarp]

Alright, so a lot of changes I would suggest.

• Wide Guard > Focus Blast and Tera Fairy on Lunala: Focus Blast will miss. You don't want that just to hit Inci/pagos. Use your other mons for that purpose. Wide Guard gives you defensive option against spread attackers such as the Calyrex forms.

• Urshiru-R > Urshifu-S: Rapid form is much better against Incineroar and standard Tera Fairy Calyrex. Also better into Zamazenta, Ursaluna-BM, etc.

• Icy Wind/Dazzling Gleam/Taunt > Mystical Fire on Flutter Mane: Any of those moves over Mystical. Mystical deals way less damage in this meta, and provides very little value.

• Rain Dance or Taunt > Grass Knot on Tornadus: Similar to my previous point. You want options that support the overall team and cover up weaknesses, than going for every coverage options.

• Headlong Run + Protect > Play Rough + Ice Punch on Ursaluna (Tera Ghost): Protect is VERY important here, and Tera ghost gives you fighting and FO immunity. Headlong when you don't want to hit partners.

POKEMON CHANGE (Optional)

• Incineroar > Flutter Mane: Incineroar gives you additional support to set up Tailwind, and provides Intimidate. Flutter doesn't seem to add much to the team in terms of role.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[snow star]

Thx, I'm gonna use most of these changes, but do you think that it's possible to keep ice punch on Ursaluna? Also I'm kind of worried about my match ups for Groudon and Kyogre.

[sand minnow]

New team

https://pokepast.es/170d7b3987e9667f

[sand minnow]

Nvm that team is ass

[terse grove]

https://pokepast.es/0114b0c26f6e429c
Hello, I recently creted this team. Is like a trick room one, but using the ability of camerupt to have an strong SAttacker.
USE OF EACH POKEMON:
Camerupt: special attacker.
Toxapex: will activate camerupt ability.
Drifblim: special attacker, Can activate trick room and can increase camerupt special defense with baton pass.
Iron Hands, Mudsale and Lurantis: they all have the same function tha is to activate a climate state so that drifblim can use weather ball (they are physicall attackers and have good defenses).

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/08e4b46ab97f8d15

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ashen monolith]

here's this team i made with lapras

i used lapras because it can stick around thanks to water absorb + surging strikes

as well as grassy terrain, intimidate and screen

which lets it spam perish song and sheer cold

which is funny

[sand minnow]

What if I made perish song team

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/dd69fb4fd6d9052f

[sand minnow]

Leftovers on togos ?

[ashen monolith]

oops that was a mistake

[sand minnow]

I See

[ashen monolith]

this team is booty cheeks cuh

[sand minnow]

I did not want to say it

[ashen monolith]

stall doesn't work in vgc

and you have no legendary pokémon

here i'll remake your team and include some of the same moms just to make it somewhat usable @terse grove

also your running a status move on a pokémon with assault vest?

[sand minnow]

@ashen monolith u like my perish song

[ashen monolith]

yeah but mines better😈

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/e444779ace9b6e00

here i fixed your team and tried to use some of the same pokemon

it's still bad but a lot better

[jovial creek]

That team doesn't really fit in the current meta at all. I'd recommend finding a team online that has results and using that for a while.

[ashen monolith]

bigfoot can you rate my new persish team

https://pokepast.es/08e4b46ab97f8d15

[jovial creek]

Perish song isn't going to be very in a restricted meta

I guess if you want to run it then perish could be a good 4th move on a flutter mane

[ashen monolith]

yeah

i like lapras tho cause water absorb + surging strikes let's it spam sheer cold

[jovial creek]

But what if CC

Or any decently strong attack

[ashen monolith]

screens

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/50f8fd33953aac04

does this duo have potential?

[jovial creek]

Just seems like worse farigiraf

[ashen monolith]

does bro have instruct + telepathy

[kindred mortar]

https://pokepast.es/5ec95e821ec9fc81

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[kindred mortar]

im struggling to get thundurus to work, its only there because of volt absorb and as a way to do with grass, any suggestions would be appreciated

[lost phoenix]

Mirai needs a far more offensive composition with more speed control sadly

Rilla is just an anti synergy and thundy t isnt good either

Im not sure if vgc has samples yet but you can check out victory road vgc for OTS of top cut teams with miraidon

[kindred mortar]

thanks

[wild sinew]

I should probably get some up since naic is finished

[hardy condor]

Is behemoth bash, body press, wide guard, and iron defense a good moveset for zamazenta?

[jovial creek]

Heavy slam over bash normally but yes

[hardy condor]

Ok thank you!

[vivid bane]

Made a setup team in vgc! First time making a team in a bit so I'm a little rusty: https://pokepast.es/9c373841bbb34324

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[jovial creek]

If you want to use a psychic type setup mon then calyrex S is much better

[pine current]

https://pokepast.es/8b86c30ce2cc889a

[jovial creek]

looks solid

anything you are struggling with?

[pine current]

trick room mainly

[jovial creek]

You look solid into TR

[wild sinew]

Is it the Amoonguss?

[plain brook]

Hello can anyone help me with my team. I'm new to this competetive battling so I tried my best but please feel free to criticize me and please tell me what you think I'm missing

https://pokepast.es/f42f8170520c6b76

P.S. I've never tried competetive pokemon before I'm 17 and love pokemon so I decided to give it a shot.

I'm new here btw

[wild sinew]

Welcome! VGC is pretty cruel, but the major thing you're missing is a restricted legendary

[plain brook]

Wdym

By "restricted"

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/7eaccd1f1c88d682

[tropic tinsel]

Some legendary pokemon are banned and get unbanned with certain restricted formats, our current format is a restricted format

[plain brook]

Oh ok, I kind of understand it I a way but just one question...

What type of restrictions are on them

Do they a limited moveset or what?

[lost phoenix]

You can only use one per team

[plain brook]

Oh that makes sense

Thankd

[minor haven]

Other than lack of a restricted your team picks are odd.

Greninja doesn't have the bulk to stick around and abuse the metronome item. The Water Type you want to go for is Urshifu. Yes you're trading some speed but you get better damage, a better multihitting water move, and Unseen Fist.

I know Gigaton Hammer is a tempting option but Tinkaton's attack is so ass that if you really want to use it, it's best use is as a support. It's support movepool is quite good tho, luckily. Though if you're really trying to get serious and win, better support mons exist.

Spiritomb is kind of a noob trap. Yes, it only has one weakness, but the Fairy Type being added seriously exposes its lack of resistances, which is really not good for stalling like it wants to. For Tricking items onto opponents, I'd recommend Grimmsnarl, it's another Dark Type who can use Trick but with Priority while also reducing the damage your team takes with screens, Spirit Break, and Parting Shot.

[plain brook]

Can you guys rate this one

.

Might switch Greninja

[minor haven]

The easiest thing to change is to switch Flutter Mane out for Shadow Calyrex so you have a restricted. It's a fast special attacking Ghost Type that is just strictly better. If you're gonna go that route you'd also wanna look into Fake Out support to give it openings to set up with Nasty Plot.

If Snorlax is going to stay I'd also recommend changing the ability to Thick Fat, you're not going to be toxic poisoned much if at all. Reducing Fire/Ice damage is much more consistently valuable.

Tornadus also isn't going to be doing much with that set since Hurricane is only consistent in the rain and you don't have a way to set that up. It does learn Rain Dance so you can switch out Protect for it and give it the Covert Cloak so you don't have to worry about Fake Out and other secondary effects.

[real cedar]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

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[plain brook]

As much as I would want calyrex i can't use him, I was hoping to make a team and test it out to then build it on my switch and sadly I never got the DLC for sword and shield so I don't have calyrex

I did the thing with Tornadus and Snorlax though so thanks

I also switched out Hatterene for Grimsnarl for Fake out

Since it had prankster it prioritizes +1

[minor haven]

Then maybe Miraidon if you have Violet? The Electric Terrain would be really nice since you can Volt Switch out to change it when you need and it'd give some assurance against Amoonguss.

[plain brook]

I got Scarlet 😭

But maybe I could switch Koraidon with Garchomp

?

[jovial creek]

What's your team

[minor haven]

It would do better against the Fire Water Grass cores imo so that's a possibility, though you'll want to make some team changes to take advantage of the sun

[plain brook]

Oh ok

Thanks

[plain brook]

What if i give tornadus weather ball instead of hurricane do you think it would work well or nah?

[plain brook]

@jovial creek this one

[jovial creek]

Are you new to VGC?

[minor haven]

Yeah probably would be, though Bleakwind Storm would likely be better

[minor haven]

They are

[plain brook]

Yessir

[plain brook]

What Moveset should I give koraidon

I have Dragon Claw, Collision Course and Protect so far

[jovial creek]

I'd recommend taking a team that has seen results already before trying to build your own

So you can learn the meta first

[plain brook]

Oh ok

[minor haven]

You can find sample sets on Smogon's website, look at that first

[plain brook]

Ok

[minor haven]

But yeah, sample teams for now

[plain brook]

👍

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/91846460d8169723

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[ashen monolith]

here's this team i made im not sure about urshifu here but i don't know what else to put

[austere wasp]

add protect change taunt/aqua jet

[ashen monolith]

what else

[austere wasp]

everything else looks solid

[pine current]

its the indeedee

mainly indeedee with a trickroom setter partner

[wild sinew]

I imagine Chi Yu Terapagos or Terapagos Rillaboom is good

[pine current]

for rillaboom its a little weird since indeedee is usually slower

so the terrain still goes psychic so i cant fake out

[wild sinew]

You Terastallize Terapagos to get rid of Psychic Terrain

[pine current]

i usually go chi yu and flutter but chi yu terapagos sounds good too

[pine current]

LOL ur right

[wild sinew]

It's nice that you can punish Calyrex Ice that tries to Tera out of the Heat Wave weakness

[pine current]

oh and i struggle vs zamazenta

my gameplan is usually to threaten it to tera with chi yu so terapagos can smoke it

but pelliper as a common partner ruins that for me

[wild sinew]

You can probably abuse Urshifu instead then

[pine current]

urshifu torn as lead

?

[wild sinew]

That's fine
It can also be used in the back
The idea is that you use their own rain against them

[ashen monolith]

https://pokepast.es/8aabcdfa42ad80c9

[sand minnow]

@ashen monolith I need help with building a team around Calyrex-Ice

[sand minnow]

Btw great team

[ashen monolith]

ok cuh

mb

[wild sinew]

Farigiraf is just the better Trick Room setter on these teams because of Armor Tail

You also lack something that can function in Trick Room if you do bring it, can probably trade Wellspring for Ursaluna Bloodmoon or Iron Hands

[keen escarp]

What Luna said. Farig with Elec Seed is also very good in dealing with CalyI, which seems to currently dismantle your team. Double normal with Bloodmoon and Farig also works well against Calyrex-S, while Bloodmoon functions well both in Tailwind and in TR

Not quite sure on the fluttermane, could try Hands there. Just an option to keep in mind

[silk girder]

Oranguru runs TR to flip TR against calyrex-I teams (just any TR team really) right? It isn’t meant to actually play in TR

[wild sinew]

you sometimes do use TR vs faster teams

[silk girder]

Technically that too but with tailwind and a fast team like that, there are few teams who would actually have you TR

Regardless the option for occasional use is nice to have against trick room and faster teams

[wild sinew]

mhm

[hardy condor]

I’m stumped on a moveset/item for torkoal. One idea is Charcoal with earth power, eruption, weather ball, and solar beam. Is this a good moveset or does something have to change?

[minor haven]

Yeah that's pretty good, though you might wanna swap something out for Protect. Probably Earth Power since you'll be taking it mostly for Rock Types which Solar Beam already hits as well as Water and Ground.

[jovial creek]

I think heat wave>weather ball and protect>solar beam

Or drop earth power for protect

[hardy condor]

I am scared of wide guard, so that’s why weather ball is there

[unique hearth]

https://pokepast.es/f9e87c0529402a86

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[unique hearth]

Reg g team

Never played doubles before

But I listen to a lot of pokesports

(the podcast)

[abstract drum]

https://pokepast.es/54a5481c06275602

im new to reg g just want feedback on my team pls

[unique hearth]

All I can really say, since I'm a newbie too, is swap out clefable for Clefairy w/ eviolite. Friend guard is just that good

[abstract drum]

Got evio on murkrow since the strat is to just haze off Resh’s debuffs

I’ll try it out tho

Just need to find a haze replacement

[minor haven]

Also Heavy Duty Boots isn't relevant in VGC. Entry hazards are almost nonexistent in doubles due to how fast the format is compared to singles.

[minor haven]

I think Tornadus gets Prankster Haze, Tailwind, and Taunt as well.

[abstract drum]

Tornadus doesn’t get Haze I can drop Murkrow tho for Tornadus I was alr thinking abt slotting on clear smog on Amoongus to throw at Reshi

[minor haven]

Yeah that's also something you could do, I low-key forgot about that even though I used it back in Reg B lmao

[abstract drum]

Haha I wanna look into other legends but I saw Caly Ice had high usage I wanted a strong fire type as well for enemy amoongus, ogerpon etc

All my homies hate being spored

[next rover]

Hey. I'm new to competitive Pokémon but I thought I'd try my hand at creating a sun team. I was thinking it was a good idea when creating a team essentially from scratch to use a strategy that was fairly easy to understand even for me. Gen 9.

https://pokepast.es/c170252c327b7753

As for strategy I haven't worked it all out yet lol. I was thinking Lucario for some sort of type coverage and gave it sunny day to extend strategy

Uh, forgot to give Jumpluff a tera type. I suppose just about anything? I'm not entirely sure about Jumpluff's strategy to be honest. It's like a bad FEAR Rattata in a way.

[jovial creek]

Do you know what pokepaste is

Also the current format allows for a restricted pokemon to be used and I would recommend you add one

[next rover]

Never heard of it, I'll paste it there instead.

Oh? On the online ranked battle arena as well?

[lavish pagoda]

Regulation G

For sun I would go koraidon or groudon

[lavish pagoda]

By the way is this real Nintendo gameplay or showdown

In vgc FEAR strats are not viable

Uhhh single screen jumpluff won't work

Since vgc games are meant to be fast, with only 4 mons

I usually don't run hazards

Stealth rock

Leech seed

[next rover]

This is directly in ScarVi. I'm thinking online battle arena.

I do kind of prefer to be able to play with all 6 mons though. Maybe I should do Showdown.

Are hazards pointless for sun teams then?

[languid thorn]

i mean double battles sometimes end in 2 turns. incin is powerful because it has effect on switch in, and a free pivot+effect on switch out. most mons dont have access to an overloaded kit like this

[distant stump]

Came from singles I assume?

[distant stump]

Do you know how to use the teambuilder

If your new to comp pokemon, first welcome! Second, take a rental team and play with that first, I would go for https://pokepast.es/7ee9ad2ee1073bd1

Just click on import/export in the top left of the team builder

and paste this link in

its much easier to learn the game off the base of an already good team

[abstract drum]

Thx for the team building advice 😐

[next rover]

I know how to use the teambuilder in Showdown, yes. I have used some rental teams. I've also played some competitive matches using Smogon builds and have a result that's... at least more wins than losses, so that's something haha.

[distant stump]

Im just asking!

[next rover]

And yes, thank you very much for the advice 🙂

[distant stump]

I would give

https://www.vgcguide.com/coming-from-single-battles

a read

[next rover]

I'm only building now because someone said it's more fun to get into competitive by trying things out and building what you like. I do realise though that by not using proper builds, I won't have a good result haha.

[distant stump]

and take a pre-established team, one from here https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024/international-north-america probs

thing is a lot of things like hazards from singles are just not relevant in vgc, as I said earlier its better to learn the basics with a already good team

[distant stump]

You can totally build with mons and stuff you like

But if your trying to learn the game, I really woulden't recommend it

[next rover]

I agree with that assessment 🙂

[distant stump]

Its very hard to make a even pretty good team, learn the game first

then take a crack at it

good luck!

[next rover]

Thanks very much

Very appreciated!

[next rover]

Is there a way to get IV and EV spread? EVs in particular perhaps.

I suppose it makes sense that the only information available is what is visible when in a battle, so maybe it isn't available.

[drifting onyx]

VGC (Gen 9)

• Viability Rankings
• Metagame Discussion Thread
• C&C Reservation Thread
• VGCPastes Repository
• Discord
• Pokémon Showdown! Room

Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[distant stump]

Check out the dex page

[next rover]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I don't know why I forgot Smogon at this point lmao. Thanks.

Ok, now I totally have everything I need. Thank you, invaluable help!

[outer spoke]

https://pokepast.es/e621b525797514a2 rate it 1-10

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[quick ether]

https://pokepast.es/8269511b30426bb7

new to reg g

there r prolly a few mistakes

idk if gambit fits i just put em there

[unique hearth]

https://pokepast.es/36d7f3d41e209803

Sun team I made for reg G

[nimble siren]

I am trying to make a good enough team to get on high ladder, the paste is https://pokepast.es/6bc57d51d1e128cc my main core is Kyogre, Incin, and Arch.
I normally lead with frosmoth to set up tailwind, then after try and use flutter, and Ursa to kill their intimidating mons, but if that all goes to shit, Kyogre will come out and hopefully sweep. Incin comes out normally, however I mainly use him to nullify physical attackers like ursh-r and caly-ice, and archauludon is for opposing mirror match-ups and miraidon, caly-shadow, and kyogre I'm wondering who I should replace and why.

[dawn elm]

I like rain https://pokepast.es/54d52c9e125eec1d

[minor haven]

If you're gonna run Ursaluna without Trick Room Bloodmoon is faster and has the stupider ability. I'd also replace Frosmoth with Pelipper since it has both Wide Guard and Tailwind as well with a far better typing and can abuse rain with Hurricane/Weather Ball spam.

[nimble siren]

Thank you for the tip

I only used frosmoth for the ability

[minor haven]

It's bulk is mediocre and it's typing is so bad it's not all that hard to kill anyway

A Special Fire Type attack or Meteor Beam can probably ohko you through Ice Scales because you're 4x weak

[minor haven]

If you really wanna use Groudon the best way is to use the Clear Amulet + Swords Dance combo. Intimidate spam is running around so much you kinda can't afford not to. If you wanna succeed though I'd switch it out for Koraidon, honestly. Also you'll definitely wanna look into fitting in some speed control.

[next rover]

I'm doing IV calculations on Marriland's website. If the levels are the same and the stat is consistent despite different natures and always neutral, will that still mean that IVs for stats can differ? For example: I only care about the speed IVs of my Litten. I'm scrolling through some of the same level with the same stats, and none of them have a speed altering nature. May I still be missing out on specific IVs?

I think it turned out I'm really wrong. I assumed the IVs of each stat were unrelated lol. I guess they're not.

[unique hearth]

Speed control?

Like snarl / electroweb raging bolt?

[minor haven]

Electroweb, yes. Stuff in general that influences speed

Icy Wind, Tailwind, and Trick Room also count as speed control

[unique hearth]

So, like, swap out Dragonite and Charizard for something with tailwind, and something with icy wind?

Like iron bundle and tornadus?

https://pokepast.es/ee4bdd26fc819e04

Smth like this?

https://pokepast.es/38183acda25e216f

(I meant this)↑

[minor haven]

Yeah I think that could work. Give Bundle a Sash tho

[unique hearth]

Alr thx man

much appreciated

[next rover]

I'm looking for a 27 Speed IV Litten, breeding for one. Uh, I got a 28 IV one. Is that close enough or is it really best to just have it be 27? Based on the VGC Smogon Incineroar

Edit: Just found one that is 26 Speed IVs! Is that also bad?

[plain brook]

Rate it please

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Rate it

[lavish pagoda]

No evs tornadus??

Mixed attacker for koraidon is not it, you have swords dance, go for a physical fire attack

Put spa EVs to bulk

2/10

Team

[jovial creek]

Drop cress and hydrapple

Add like flutter mane raging bolt

Go flare blitz protect over sd and flamethrower

Make torn bleakwind tailwind taunt+1

[jovial creek]

27 isn't mandatory

You can run speed on incin

[next rover]

Thank you! I thought I'd be a bit more careful and just not try to mix it up too much. Now I need to grind for a 0 speed IV Ice Rider Calyrex in Sword. 😭 The one I had has 31...

I mean I wouldn't be too bothered, but since it's a trick room thing and since I'm trying to follow it exactly I kinda have to

[jovial creek]

It's not bad to run 31 speed and just know that you will be faster in the mirror

You just play the game out of tr

[next rover]

Sorry, what do you mean specifically by this?

Do you mean I just don't play Trick Room against the mirror?

To build on that question, I can still run the same EV spread, I just have to be aware that I will be faster sometimes?

[jovial creek]

Sorry it means that you don't focus on setting up Trick Room

Instead you use the fact that you will outspeed them and do damage before they can get the speed control in their favor

[next rover]

Makes sense. I suppose I would get the first hit perhaps unexpectedly. I mean if it's a speed tie I guess it's 50/50, so not sure exactly if my opponent would play any differently or even be surprised to be outsped.

It's not the easiest thing to make use of! I am still using the same moveset, but I'll try to maybe just send in Calyrex in other situations or something. I'll figure it out 😛

[next rover]

Pelipper can learn Wide Guard via MIrror Herb, right? I shouldn't have to do it when it's a Wingull surely.
Edit: Answered my own question by trying it lmao. If anyone is curious, it works to do it on the fully evolved 'mon.

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[normal escarp]

first team I ever built myself give back info

[north tree]

Tera ghost 》tera psychic on calyrex s otherwise the team looks solid with a few subjective picks.

The trick room tailwind whims seems interesting idk if it fits specifically on this balance team, perhaps consider another support move such as light screen encore or fake tears.

Caly s might be able to run a tera fairy draining kiss set with bulk and draining kiss over psyshock. Whimsicott with charm and double fake out plus snarl bolt supports this well.

[jovial creek]

Or even just tera fairy draining kiss

[minor haven]

Caly tera fairy draining kiss is an actual war crime

[north tree]

Gx typing an essay in the meantime:

[keen escarp]

• I would definitely try Tera Ghost on that sash CalyS, like insertable set. Either that or go for the bulky Tera Fairy set. It works very well on Balance teams since you have the means to support it.

• Safety Goggles > Sitrus on Incineroar: You don't want to rely on Incineroar Tera to get past Amoong. Goggles also allows you to switch in safely to Spore.

• Trick Room on Whimsi feels counter productive when your heavy hitter is like the fastest Pokemon in the format. Not to mention, Whimsi is too frail to either reverse TR OR set it up without a Focus Sash. You are better off running something like Encore or Helping Hand etc.

• Will-o-Wisp > Flare Blitz on Incineroar: Your Caly-I matchup isn't pretty. WoW forces them to play defensively a bit.

• Draco Meteor > Dragon Pulse on Bolt: The extra damage helps a lot, combined with Astral Barrage being unfair. Try it out, imo.

Hope this helps, Good luck!

[keen escarp]

You were not wrong

[north tree]

This was me when I started out eventually I just got lazy lol

[keen escarp]

smh

[jovial creek]

Gotta make it short but still good

[normal escarp]

This is very helpful especially cause I started yesterday

[velvet rapids]

godlyreal https://pokepast.es/1673bcc413d974ae

[jovial creek]

That team is not very good

I don't see what half of those mons do

And I think they can just be replaced

[minor haven]

Personally I'd switch the Ogerpon set around to allow for Spiky Shield and/or Follow Me support. Alternatively since you have a Fake Out user you can also put Swords Dance on it

I can somewhat see the idea here but quite a few matchups are going to be nightmares

[velvet rapids]

Cb too good

[minor haven]

Especially if they have Taunt

[velvet rapids]

like what

[minor haven]

You have pretty much no way to stop Terapagos from running your fade and Incineroar is a hard counter to half this team

[velvet rapids]

244+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera Shell Terapagos-Terastal in Grassy Terrain: 107-126 (62.5 - 73.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

+1 244+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 236 HP / 20 Def Incineroar in Grassy Terrain: 183-216 (91.5 - 108%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

[minor haven]

Do you have the calcs for Terastal Terapagos?

[velvet rapids]

244+ Atk Choice Band Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar in Grassy Terrain: 160-189 (67.7 - 80%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[minor haven]

Also Choice Band is not a +1 boost, it's a 30 percent boost

[velvet rapids]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera-Stellar Terapagos-Stellar Tera Starstorm vs. 52 HP / 4 SpD Ogerpon: 104-124 (64.1 - 76.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery

[velvet rapids]

defiant

[jovial creek]

Isn't it attack up by 50%

[velvet rapids]

1.5x boost

[drifting onyx]

Choice Band (Gen 9)

Holder's Attack is 1.5x, but it can only select the first move it executes.

Fling

10 BP

[minor haven]

Shit, I'm tripping I guess lmao

[velvet rapids]

I've realised

i just can bonk anything and everything

with cb tealpon

and i only need to counter tailwind and fake out

[eager viper]

i see the vision

[velvet rapids]

like realistically

wyd if cb tealpon ohkos your miraidon

244+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Grass Ogerpon Ivy Cudgel vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tera-Electric Miraidon: 178-210 (101.1 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Oh also

cm terapagos kinda loses to dozo

same with zama, zacian

calyrex shadow

calyrex ice

[minor haven]

How does dozo counter exactly? I've never tested it in the current reg

[velvet rapids]

Unaware + Yawn + Fissure

You take minimal damage and yawn, then protect and then have max 3 turns to hit fissure

[fossil flume]

Peak

[velvet rapids]

you're statistically likely to ko with 90% accuracy in 3 turns

and even then you gain 18% atleast from leftovers - ignoring grassy terrain

[eager viper]

so tru bestie

[velvet rapids]

and your opponent has to roll insane dice to get multiple 1 turn sleeps and every fissure miss to win the 1v1

Essentially if its not a ohko into dozo and not a flying type , you have odds of winning the 1v1

making it quite a reliable win con

suprisingly

[fossil flume]

Reliable is a stretch

[velvet rapids]

its won me a lot of games with unaware being goated

i'd love to hear opinions on weaknesses though

[minor haven]

I feel like Sash Urshifu is more reliable as a Terapagos counter, assuming CC can 2HKO

And it'd give you an extra mon that can function outside of Trick Room

[eager viper]

sash urshi is much more fragile and the whole team is bulky enough to work outside of tr

[velvet rapids]

I have other ways into terapagos which i think your miss identifying

Im just saying dozo is very flexible in games

As a support mon in early - mid game or a win con in end game

[minor haven]

This take might just be personal preference but also I prefer the Sub Leftovers variant.

[velvet rapids]

dozo or terap

[minor haven]

Dozo

[velvet rapids]

subs cool but all 4 moves rn are important

[minor haven]

I've cheesed out a fair amount of games with Sub, Leftovers, and Protect. It was funny.

[velvet rapids]

dozo being super slow doesnt help sub either

[eager viper]

sub lefties only really works with tatsu as well :p

most mons break ur sub if ur not boosted

[minor haven]

Fair enough, that was a while ago and the higher power level could definitely make that less consistent. I'm just averse personally to the idea of Fissure without Stomping Tantrum to fall back on.

[eager viper]

fissure on a mon like dozo is at least somewhat reliable due to its bulk and it forces ur opponents to respect it and at least commit resources into killing it

if had to actually swap something it would prolly be caly ice's item

[minor haven]

Yeah

[eager viper]

it seems wp is kind of uneeded and clam would be much better

[fossil flume]

I mean fissure dozo is pretty ok

Like

[eager viper]

also it would free up a move on farig

[fossil flume]

Ultimate CIR check

If you have something to stop amoonguss

[eager viper]

until you run out of fissures...

[fossil flume]

You hit if youre good enough

[velvet rapids]

I feel like wp is nice if i position tealpon correctly

like

it wins a lot of games

Wp also allows me to run very bulky caly ice

which has won me a lot of games

[eager viper]

thats confirmation bias :p honestly speaking clam will be more consistent and win u more games

[velvet rapids]

maybe

[minor haven]

Yeah, can confirm

[eager viper]

also caly ice is already bulky enough to the point where you dont really need extra

[minor haven]

If clam gets Knocked Off by Incin or something it becomes very sad

[jovial creek]

Clam is better

Weakness policy is neutered after intim+parting

[velvet rapids]

I think i gotta test wp atleast

it has potential

like in a tournament

[jovial creek]

It has potential to barely break even

[minor haven]

With how ubiquitous Incin is that's not gonna be easy

[eager viper]

godly personally i wouldnt

[velvet rapids]

yeah but think about it

they see wp caly ice and bring incin

and then i get a defiant boost on tealpon

and win

[eager viper]

if you wanna use non clam item of caly ice

you prolly need weez

[velvet rapids]

idk

[eager viper]

also even if you get the defiant boost on pon you def dont win

[velvet rapids]

caly ice was a top mon without clam in gen 8

[eager viper]

maybe you take some extra momentum

[eager viper]

in a faster format with dmax

caly ice was a top mon in spite of incin

[velvet rapids]

okay

other than that

what weaknesses

[eager viper]

for wp caly ice?

[velvet rapids]

No the team

[eager viper]

seems kinda tera reliant and shares alot of common weaknesses

[minor haven]

If you get Trick Room up Amoonguss tells most of the team "no".

[eager viper]

korai seems like a really bad mu

since its butchers most of these mons

[velvet rapids]

Heatran with tera fairy

walls koraidon

[jovial creek]

Yeah koriadon+bolt murders

[eager viper]

so ur forced to tera tran for korai :p

which means the rest of ur team is getting blown up

[jovial creek]

They just ignore tran

Also zoom lens isn't worth it

[velvet rapids]

Ok koraidon

[jovial creek]

Just go lefties or something

[velvet rapids]

Trust in zoom lens

[drifting onyx]

Zoom Lens (Gen 9)

The accuracy of attacks by the holder is 1.2x if it moves after its target.

Fling

10 BP

[eager viper]

godly also ur team just feels like it lacks a defensive backbone

[velvet rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[eager viper]

like ur gonna have a hard time pivoting around

[jovial creek]

What if they outspeed

Not outspeed

Underspeed

[eager viper]

like godly how do you even switch into fighting moves

[jovial creek]

It only helps 1 move

[velvet rapids]

My speed is intentionally lower

[eager viper]

or dark moves

or ghost moves

like ik you dont like super meta mons but i personally would prolly swap incin for a mon just to have more of a way to pivot around threats

[jovial creek]

Or calyrex S

[velvet rapids]

I think

im gonna play a tournament

and see

because like

sure dark type moves and fighting type moves exist

but do they exist in practice

[eager viper]

yes lmao

urshi is one of the most common mons in the format

[minor haven]

Bro what

[eager viper]

incin and chi yu are prevelent rn

also goltres is a thing on zama teams

[velvet rapids]

chi yu is kind of an issue

but it gets obliterated by dozo heatran

[eager viper]

and korai if we're mentioning restricteds :p

[minor haven]

Would Chien Pao and Ting Lu also cause problems?

[jovial creek]

Yes

[velvet rapids]

ting lu

[jovial creek]

Also grass type that can't protect is begging to get slapped by fake out+fire move

[velvet rapids]

loses to dozo rilla tealpon caly ice

chien pao

loses to heatran tealpon (after sash broken)

even dozo

[jovial creek]

Or ice move

What about rilla+pao

[velvet rapids]

so is every other type which doesnt have protect

[eager viper]

godly ngl i think a common issue here is that in theory these mons combined beat one mon

[velvet rapids]

for each of its weaknesses

[eager viper]

but under the combined offensive pressure of 2 mons its much more diffcult for you to execute these gameplans

[jovial creek]

Its kinda just stretched too thin

Like you bring 4 mons to beat pao and then lose to zama

[velvet rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[jovial creek]

?

[velvet rapids]

What does

Chien pao or zama

do to dondozo

[eager viper]

godly my advice would just be to test it :p

[velvet rapids]

i will

[eager viper]

i wouldnt reccomend ladder prolly

maybe play vs crow or someone

[velvet rapids]

crow is freelo

im gonna do a couple limitless tours

i've top cut with different versions

which makes me think

[minor haven]

Why not ladder?

[velvet rapids]

Am i just goated or is the team good

[eager viper]

ladder is meh bo1 is a pain and bo3 just takes too long and i end up losing focus

[eager viper]

i would prolly play in a bigger tour or play vs better players to see and check results

[minor haven]

Damn and I thought I was ADHD lmao

[eager viper]

you can always participate in lcq since tahts coming up

[jovial creek]

Inconsistent

If that team works it works ig but it doesn't seem very good

[eager viper]

its not really that it just that everyone on bo3 low ladder plays the same so im playing like one game per day before getting tired and doing sumthin else

[minor haven]

Ok yeah that's fair

[eager viper]

it doesnt help that i dont really like reg g either

[velvet rapids]

ok so koraidon is a bad mu

[minor haven]

Actually what changed between ref f and g? I'm drawing a blank

[jovial creek]

Restricteds

[velvet rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[minor haven]

Weren't restricteds in reg f?

I could've sworn I saw people using them then

[jovial creek]

No

[minor haven]

I think I came back to comp during reg g and then watched a video about reg g coming soon. I bamboozled myself

[dapper flame]

https://pokepast.es/8928c91902aab37f does anything needs to change

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[austere wasp]

item on incin

because if you use assault vest you cant use will o wisp / parting shot.

[distant stump]

For untitled 1

This is not terrible tbh

[dapper flame]

my first ever team

[distant stump]

Yes thats why its untitled 1

[dapper flame]

ohhhhh okay

[distant stump]

Biggest thing here is that your stacking way too many physical attackers and theres just not that much synergy here

What direction do you want to take the team?

Though tbf if its your first time

I recommend take a sample team

[dapper flame]

so im just gonna tell you my thought about all of the pokemon pretty much was to counter calyrex shadow because that was the biggest thread i encountered.

[distant stump]

Building a team to counter another team is a really bad idea

Your just gonna open yourself up to weaknesses against other mons

What restricteds do you want to build around?

[dapper flame]

yeeeeah. where can i find sample teams btw?

[distant stump]

https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/2024/international-north-america

[distant stump]

I'd recommend here

Bunch of top placing teams

[dapper flame]

oh okay

[distant stump]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc/

[dapper flame]

thank you very much for the help

[distant stump]

for evs go here

[distant stump]

Good luck! Hope u enjoy vgc

[dapper flame]

i will!

[keen escarp]

Was asleep

smh

[minor haven]

Other than the Assault Vest which was already mentioned I also recommend putting Sash on Urshifu. It's special defense is not great so it needs that extra insurance against special attackers. I'd also replace Whimsi with Tornadus so you can have Tailwind mode if you need it.

In general tho the main problem here is that you don't have enough support. You should have two support mons as a rule of thumb, at least from what I've heard and played.

[plain brook]

Yo what am I missing

https://pokepast.es/44947aed5a6173f2

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[wild sinew]

Your Koraidon should be Adamant with speed investment

And should have protect

[plain brook]

Bet

[plain brook]

I'll change that right now

Do you think it needs anything else?

[wild sinew]

Your Tornadus should be Sunny Day instead of Rain Dance

Grimmsnarl doesn't really fit this team, you have a lot of speed control that doesn't suit screens. Raging Bolt is a really strong option in this slot.

[plain brook]

Alr thanks

[plain brook]

Oh and I meant to teach Cresselia Mist instead of Trick Room... I have trick room on Flutter Mane to reset incase the other team sets

[golden radish]

Swampert @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Flip Turn
• Liquidation
• Protect
• High Horsepower

Raging Bolt
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 20 Atk

• Draco Meteor
• Thunderclap
• Volt Switch
• Calm Mind

Toedscruel
Ability: Mycelium Might
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Trick Room
• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Earth Power

Flutter Mane
Ability: Protosynthesis
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Trick Room
• Shadow Ball
• Protect

Toxicroak
Ability: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature

• Close Combat
• Fake Out
• Poison Jab
• Sucker Punch

Calyrex-Shadow
Ability: As One (Spectrier)
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Astral Barrage
• Giga Drain
• Psychic
• Protect

could anyone help me to make this team a bit more viable?

[real cedar]

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[plain brook]

Chat is a Fairy Tera Cresselia better or a Steel Tera Cresselia

[real cedar]

None of these are at level 50 btw

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/3238b09d2172dbf6 alright rip me apart

Scott has encore not fake tears

[golden radish]

When I play ranked it forces them to be 50

Idk what stab means I've only been playing for 1 dag

Day

[keen escarp]

I would ditch gouging fire

And add gothitelle

And turn chi yu into scarf Tera ground with Tera blast

Fast gothitelle with Tera dark or ghost goes well with korai, since it locks down any peli switch ins and provides fake out support

You can also lock your opponents and secure KO with chi yu

It just compliments the korai/chi yu core so well

Not to mention, Tera ground chi yu gives you an answer vs opposing Tera fire korai

Rest seems fine honestly. Good luck!

[dapper flame]

https://pokepast.es/c7914e0c03ae82b5 made a team about articuno and calyrex ice

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[north tree]

GX, lemme handle this

[keen escarp]

How did you even know I was reading this

I was about to comment by asking them to remove boots

[north tree]

I'm in your house

[keen escarp]

Smh

[north tree]

look behind you

[jovial creek]

He is your walls

[keen escarp]

Plot twists

He IS the wall

Ima chill reading on that new bacteria, you handle this, insert

[jovial creek]

Yall are too online

[keen escarp]

Wouldn't be a VGC player without being chronically online

[jovial creek]

I'm chronically online

And I was still third

[keen escarp]

LOL

[north tree]

• Calyrex Ice should have clear amulet over heavy duty boots, stealth rock isn't common in vgc while intimidate is. You may want to replace tera ice for a defensive tera as well assuming you decide not to keep the 3 ice types makes the snow core. Also protect > Swords dance

• Raging Bolt's set is off. Thunderbolt > Snarl is more optimal as snarl is ran on support assault vest sets.

• On the topic of snow, Alolan ninetales > Abomasnow. Atales is vastly superior offensively, defensively and in it's support pool , despite abomasnow's lower speed for trick room, which actually makes it a hinderance in setting up aurora veil. I still would not reccomend snow next to calyrex but rather a core of amoonguss and coaching choice scarf urshifu-rapid-strike with a defensive tera on calyrex.

• If you wish to run snow, then run alolan ninetales and drop articuno for either an amoonguss or bulky urshifu rapid strike. This takes better advantage of aurora veil and provides depth to your game. urshifu removes fire and steel types while amoonguss provides redirection to allow you to setup veil successfully.

• Farigiraf feels a bit off on the team, perhaps replace it for once again, either urshifu-r or amoonguss.

• Alternatively, if you look to build Caly-I snow, try using the Calyrex-I/Incineroar/Urshifu-S/Iron hands/Amoonguss core with Ninetales alola as the last replacing ditto and a bulky urshifu-r, bolstered by veil, replacing urshifu-s and thereby dealing with fire types better. Iron Hands functions better than raging bolt as fake out allows ninetales more time to set up aurora veil and drain punch + aveil makes Hands near unkillable.

@keen escarp done, I thought it would be longer lol

[keen escarp]

You forgot protect on calyI

Smh

YOU EDITED! I saw that

Sneaky

[north tree]

hehe

[outer spoke]

Fast Lunala 2.0, how does it look? https://pokepast.es/fb5e174cf0520202

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Keep in mind that you can sample!

[minor haven]

If you're putting Safety Goggles on a Dark Type use Incineroar

[keen escarp]

Safety goggles Umbreon has seen success

And Inci and umbreon serves entirely different purposes

[minor haven]

I've only played against an Umbreon like, once and I 2HKOd it before it could do anything. Is it pure support unlike Incineroar who can do both support and damage?

[keen escarp]

Umbreon pressures with Yawn combined with inner focus, and can taunt by ignoring amoong. Unlike Inci who functions as a supporting pivot and debuffer, Umbreon is a more immediate threat thanks to Yawn

And gets access to Foul Play which is very good against Calyrex formes

It's not a staple like Incineroar. It's more of a niche mon that serves very specific purpose which makes it viable in certain team composition

But it does it's job very well

[jovial creek]

I think follow me>swords dance on Ogerpon and maybe only use one dark type

[keen escarp]

Firepon + Lunala, I like the idea. A few things that can be changed:

• Like iPetBigfoot above me mentioned, I don't think you need both Umbreon and G-Moltres. I would stick to Umbreon here, since Yawn pressure can help set up your mons.

• Umbreon EV is inefficient. You are wasting 8 EV's, 4 in SpD, and 4 in Speed. Also, you don't need to run SpA EV's or that much Speed on Umbreon. Invest it in bulk.

• Yawn > Fake Tears on Umbreo: It's one of Umbreon's most potent tools. Not to mentioned, Umbreon is slow; Fake Tears won't have much of an impact.

• Feint > Ice Spinner on Mienshao: Getting rid of Focus Sash with Feint is always good. You can also further pin with Feint and Firepon's insane offense.

• Rillaboom > G-Moltres: Grassy Terrain recovery is very good combined with Leftovers. You can solely rely on that and Protect to restore Shadow Shield and Lunala. You also need the terrain to better handle Miraidon, and the additional Fake Out user further helps set up Lunala and Firepon.

• If running Rillaboom, you could opt to run Grassy Glide > Wood Hammer on Firepon. Boosted Glide to OHKO Scarf Urshifu-R is nice.

Hope this helped, good luck!

[outer spoke]

It did, Thanks

[fathom token]

https://pokepast.es/c876d684b0f40d54

I know what you're gonna say; bonnet isn't reliable and noivern isn't even a choice, but hear me out

I think this is a good format for bonnet, believe it or not

• grass types are one of the most relevant types rn, and more than ever paradox mons, thanks to koraidon
• thief might sound silly, but its a very smart move in lots of ocasions, for example to eliminate goggles from inci so it can go to sleep with spore
• as I mentioned, spore, just spore, there's just no reason to explain this one further
• bulky enough to survive what they throw at em

then there's noivern, who supports bonnet with frisk, and sets tailwind if needed
noivern can also support in other ways, for example with super fang for walls and dragon tail to yeet anything menacing off the battlefield

[velvet rapids]

Hear me out

[fathom token]

did I miss anything over here that could potentially doom my team?

[velvet rapids]

Booster def/spdef bonnet

With thief

I like the thief idea but sitrus isnt a reliable item with it

Booster is

[fathom token]

I don't think its worth it tho, koraidon already activates proto

[velvet rapids]

Noivern, no theres just better options

Oh true

Mb i forgor

Dont go thief then

[fathom token]

idk, its been working so far

what could I change it to

rage powder perhaps?

[velvet rapids]

Protect if you dont have it

or powder yes

Get rid of stomping tantrum on rilla and incin

Go High horsepower on rilla if you really want a ground coverage

[fathom token]

oh shit I forgor about that move

damn

[velvet rapids]

Idt you need power gem on flutter, probably a better option

[fathom token]

it seems to rule over walls like ho-oh and shit

I haven't encountered one yet in battle tho, other ppl say psyshock is currently a thing with flutter

[velvet rapids]

Tbh go tbolt if your worried about ho oh

Its just better into stuff like kyogre

You could go torn over noivern too/ a tailwind option

Or see what your teams weak to and fix it with the 6th slot

[fathom token]

so noivern is just no good here?

super fang helped me out a lot

and frisk

[velvet rapids]

Same as saying 'Follow me maushold helped me a lot with friend guard' , yes noivern does its jobs but theres mons that do the same thing but better

And more

E.g. Tornadus

[fathom token]

that is pretty true

I did think about having tornadus, I just didn't have a good reason to change noivern
I've been craving for flying type coverage and I wasn't too sure

[velvet rapids]

Just go torn for now and you can adjust it later

[fathom token]

okeyp

[jovial creek]

Just go amoonguss over bonnet

Grass dark is so bad

And you can run speed control last slot

[keen escarp]

Alright so, Brute Bonnet is in an iffy position when compared to Amoonguss: It's faster, has a Dark-typing. Not sure how to feel about a grass type weak to Urshifu/Iron Hands, as well as Calyrex-I, Tera Fairy Draining Kiss Calyrex-S, Flutter mane, etc.

• A Calyrex-I in TR seems to run through the team. Your only switch-in is Incineroar and it doesn't even threaten Calyrex-I all that much once they Tera.

• Any Pelipper team composition can quickly dismantle the team.

Some changes I would recommend would be:

• Raging Bolt > Rillaboom: With a suitable tera, it can contest against rain, Urshifu-R and can also provide speed control with Electro Web if needed. Raging bolt hits hard in Sun, no real reason not to run it.

• Tornadus > Noivern: Noivern is fast, but never matches upto Pranksters. Against opposing Tailwind teams, you lose the speed control. Tornadus also gets access to Sunny Day to reset weather should you need it.

• Amoonguss > Brute Bonnet: Better typing, better utility in TR to function against opposing TR teams.

• Knock Off > Stomping Tantrum on Incineroar: Knock Off is really good. Helps your Spore user land it against Goggles by getting rid of the item, gets rid of AV/Choice items, etc. And functions as your Dark-type coverage.

• (Not mandatory) Will-o-Wisp/Taunt > Flare Blitz on Incineroar: Better matchup into non-tera Fire Calyrex-I, Zacian-C etc. Could also run Taunt in that slot to help shut down TR.

Alternatively, you could simply run Choice Scarf Tera Ground Tera Blast Chi-Yu over Incineroar to have a better Miraidon matchup.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[silk girder]

https://pokepast.es/dbd20ab715485c23

Can somebody help me with EV stuff and/or make suggestions, arcanine’s presence is non-negotiable

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[jovial creek]

Go intim on arc and maybe switch raging bolt to magnet then make rilla AV

[silk girder]

Ok yeah I was really stuck on swapping the ability to intimidate but then realized that since it’s band it will be swapping a lot so I will run it

Should I keep head smash or swap to stone edge though now that there will be recoil?

[jovial creek]

Head smash or rock slide

Oh you have rock slide

This is fine thenc

[silk girder]

But should I have stone edge or head smash when it runs intimidate

[wild sinew]

Head Smash

You are usually clicking Rock Slide, but you want that super damage option when you really need to get rid of a threat

[shadow coral]

Format: Regulation G Singles

Serperior@Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
Nature and EVS: Timid with 76HP/180SpA/252Spe
TT: Water
Moves: Leaf Storm, Tera Blast, Glare, Substitute

Koraidon@Loaded Dice
Ability: Orichalcum Pulse
Nature and EVS: Jolly with 4HP/252Atk/252Spe
TT: Fire
Moves: Collision Course, Scale Shot, Flare Blitz, Swords Dance

Clodsire@Rocky Helmet
Ability: Water Absorb
Nature and EVS: Careful with 252HP/4Def/252SpD
TT: Ground
Moves: Earthquake, Toxic, Curse, Recover

Drifblim@Sitrus Berry
Ability: Unburden
Nature and EVS: Timid with 252HP/4SpA/252Spe
TT: Ghost
Moves: Shadow Ball, Minimize, Substitute, Baton Pass

Raging Bolt@Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Nature and EVS: Modest with 148HP/156Def/204SpA
TT: Fairy
Moves: Thunderclap, Draco Meteor, Thunderbolt, Tera Blast

Scizor@Assault Vest
Ability: Technician
Nature and EVS: Adamant with 252HP/92Atk/164SpD
TT: Dark
Moves: Bullet Punch, Knock Off, Dual Wingbeat, U-turn

Any suggestions would be appreciated

[real cedar]

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[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

I think this is Battle Stadium Singles?

Bring 6 pick 3

[shadow coral]

Yes

[wild sinew]

#1060690402711183370

[astral osprey]

https://pokepast.es/161f400b981038f5 is this team good

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[jovial creek]

The 6 pokemon aren't bad but the sets need some work

Calyrex wants protect over giga Drain and Nasty plot/psyshock over dark pulse

Amoonguss wants Rocky Helmet and protect over toxic

Whimsicott normally runs protect over cotton spore

[astral osprey]

i though you could cotton spore yourself i was going to use it in trick room's

[astral osprey]

before this set i ran pollen puff so isnt that bad

[jovial creek]

You should be OK vs trick room

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[jovial creek]

And calyrex S is too fast to try and abuse that strategy

[astral osprey]

Instead of giga drain i used pollen puff

[jovial creek]

You don't need either

[north tree]

K essay incoming

[keen escarp]

Opposing Incineroar kinda runs through the team. Cotton Spore is not going to give you a TR matchup when Rillaboom is not even going to be doing much vs Calyrex-I, and Calyrex-I still underspeeds Calyrex-S even after you go -2.

Team really needs an Urshifu or a Fighting Type. Pagos, Incineroar, Chi-Yu etc gives you massive troubles.

• Urshifu-R > Chien-Pao: Greatly balances out the team and patches out weaknesses. Great synergy with Calyrex-S.

• Tornadus > Whimsicott: Better Amoonguss matchup, also helps vs opposing Urshifu-R. Less weakness stacking.

• Regenerator > Effect Spore on Amoonguss: Probably an error? Regen is 100% necessary.

• Sitrus Berry/Covert Cloak/Mental Herb > Leftovers on Amoonguss: Amoong switches out to recover HP, no need of passive Lefties. Also run a defensive Tera like Water or Fairy. Also get rid of Toxic for Protect. Toxic is way too slow, imo.

• Safety Goggles > Sitrus Berry on Incineroar: Better amoonguss switch-in, allows you to pivot around freely.

• Tera Fairy on Calyrex-S, and Protect > Dark Pulse, Psyshock/Nasty Plot > Giga Drain. Fairy is amazing defensive typing for Calyrex-S, and you NEED protect or you plain lose to opposing positioning.

• Incineroar and Amoonguss EV is inefficient. You are wasting EV's.

Hope this helps, good luck!

[keen escarp]

LMAO

[north tree]

https://tenor.com/view/love-is-war-i-am-inside-your-walls-your-walls-kaguya-kaguya-sama-gif-26389018

[keen escarp]

Do the typing cat meme. That's more accurate

My hands kinda hurt with all the typing ngl

Carpal Tunnel incoming?

[north tree]

Stretch your wrists

[keen escarp]

VGC Rate my wrists mode

[jovial creek]

Make a wrist work out and pin it somewhere

[keen escarp]

You want me to pin my wrist somewhere? oO

[granite plank]

nice

[open cypress]

Hi, I was told that there would be people with recommendations for what tera types I should have on my pokemon on showdown.

[north tree]

#comp-general , short answer: it depends on the pokemon

if you don't want to brave that channel then just dm

[austere wasp]

good job @desert parcel

IM SO SORRY

I MEANT @keen escarp

[keen escarp]

;-;

[magic cradle]

This is my first team I made myself, ik some stuff on it is jus tabd (lunala shell bell :/ originally had assault vest but item clause) any tips or anything to better this team or my team building?

i missed evs
lunala: EVs: 132 HP / 100 Def / 44 SpA / 108 SpD / 124 Spe Modest Nature
flutter mane: EVs: 164 HP / 164 Def / 112 SpA / 68 Spe Modest Nature
incineroar: EVs: 252 HP / 72 Atk / 52 Def / 124 SpD / 4 Spe Adamant Nature
urshifu: EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly nature
gholdengo: EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def /60 Speed
rillaboom: EVs: 196 HP / 60 Def / 252 SpD Careful Nature

[jovial creek]

A lot of these sets aren't viable in vgc. I'd recommend checking out the smogon dex to find better ones.

And then you can probably drop flutter mane and gholdengo for tornados and ursaluna-bm

[distant stump]

Yeah the sets are just pretty bad, the stuff ur running is just worse than other options, I can explain more if u like

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc/

better ones here

[real cedar]

Btw for future reference, just copy the pokepaste link instead of screenshots

[magic cradle]

o showdown allowed them so i just assumed

[jovial creek]

They are allowed but not very good

[magic cradle]

What is bad about them just the moves or evs or just everything?

[jovial creek]

Mainly moves/items

Incin is the only normal set there

[cinder glacier]

https://pokepast.es/75fe72407af0c805

[minor haven]

You can't have both Miraidon and Groudon on the same team

For a Clear Amulet user I'd replace with Iron Hands. Or for a generally strong physical attacker, Urshifu

[cinder glacier]

It's for reg h

[minor haven]

Wait do we even know if h is gonna go back to two resitricteds or not rn?

[real cedar]

Raters can't really rate for a meta that doesn't exist yet

[distant stump]

We dont rate for metas that dont exist

We dont even know if Reg H will be double restricteds

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/82d4d43e72e31ce6

Miraidon

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek laurel]

Went based off of common sense + smogon analysis, not sure if its any standard lmao

[jovial creek]

Looks good

You could replace flutter mane because whims is already speed control

[sleek laurel]

True

I thought I could use Ogerpon

[jovial creek]

Maybe add a physical attacker,

[north tree]

encore is usually run over helping hand on whimsicott and flutter is a nice tough

touch*

it's good into mirai mirrors

[sleek laurel]

Oh encore's better?

[north tree]

usually

[keen escarp]

I would add Iron Hands over Flutter

[north tree]

your damage is incredible already

[jovial creek]

I agree

[keen escarp]

Not on computer so can't type essay

[north tree]

although usually the sixth slot can be variable

[sleek laurel]

Dw

[north tree]

sad

[sleek laurel]

Also i didnt think of hands

That's smart

Glad the team isnt shit at least LOL

[keen escarp]

Hands is very good in Mirai

[jovial creek]

No essay needs to be typed imo

[sleek laurel]

Oh yeah btw i forgot to ask this

[jovial creek]

It's just small changes

[sleek laurel]

Fast ursaluna or slow ursaluna?

[keen escarp]

Ye team looks solid

[jovial creek]

Fast

You have tailwind

[keen escarp]

Fast

[sleek laurel]

Ok so change spread

Alright

[keen escarp]

Run Timid max max

[jovial creek]

I think it's the smogon dex spread

[wild sinew]

Encore is better to minimize how threatening Rillaboom is when it comes in, esp because Miraidon is Specs

[sleek laurel]

Done

Alright thanks guys

[keen escarp]

I would also run protect > psychic noise on Farig

[sleek laurel]

Anything else?

[jovial creek]

Encore is also just annoying for setup mons

I think noise is fine

Seems like preference

[keen escarp]

I found protect to go very well with encore whimsi

Atleast whenever I fought that mu lol

[jovial creek]

But psychic noise let's you hard wall calyrex-S

[sleek laurel]

I'll try both ways ig lol

[jovial creek]

Yeah you can test that

[keen escarp]

Try noise, see how often you click if

And if it comes in handy

[jovial creek]

Or how often you want protect

[keen escarp]

Ye

[sleek laurel]

Alright ty

Last question

What's the usual lead

Farig or whims?

[keen escarp]

Mirai + whimsi ig lol

[sleek laurel]

Thought so

But wanted to double check

[jovial creek]

Ei

[sleek laurel]

Ait thanks, glad the team's not dogshit

[keen escarp]

Vs TR, I expect farig lead

[jovial creek]

Why like this

Either

[sleek laurel]

Ah fair

Also wdym ei

Oh

Either

LMAO

[keen escarp]

Cat pics when

[sleek laurel]

Ait ima dip to class then test this team on break

[jovial creek]

Whenever

[keen escarp]

Drop em

[sleek laurel]

Ty 👍

[keen escarp]

Np

[jovial creek]

Is there a certain channel

[dawn elm]

I think this team can be really good but I need help with the EVs https://pokepast.es/fefa707ff9967c00

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[distant stump]

I would recommend investing at least a bit more into ur defense and hp, most incin sets go around 252 hp and then spread into defenses from there

Miraidon are general modest not timid

I would definetly not run that little speed on whimsicot, your going to get outspeed by a lotta tornadus and other stuff around that range

What does the hp on Cornerstone do?

What do the farigiraf evs do?

For BM, the set is probably fine but consider that many go also really fast, the evs depend on which mode you want to lean into more

[dawn elm]

I want my farigiraf to live a Tera starstorm and a suring strikes but I’m not sure what EVs will let me do that. I want cornerstone to attack and support.

[jovial creek]

Since cornerstone has sturdy you can fully invest in offenses

[vivid bane]

did i cook

https://pokepast.es/fb92283f9917a46f

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[wild sinew]

Why Giratina?

[vivid bane]

mostly because I love giratina, and because dragon ghost is a pretty good typing

[wild sinew]

Dragon/Ghost is pretty poor in the metagame unfort, and it's outclassed as a CM sweeper by Terapagos

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/4a067c696a1a95b0 (lugia comfey sucks)

[wild sinew]

Two teams that would be infinitely better with Terapagos now

[jovial creek]

Terapagos+ting lu not cooking

[fluid lintel]

is there a calculator to check if this guy can survive base 130 power moves

[digital fiber]

https://calc.pokemonshowdown.com/

I'll leave others to judge ur team, this is what u can use however.

[fluid lintel]

thank you

[jovial creek]

That team is 3 good mons and 3 mons that make me go, why?

[fluid lintel]

I think Electabuzz is the current best follow me user and it can set up a light screen and stop farigiraf/indeedee F's trick room

tornadus honestly idk what im thinking but its like an anti tailwind against itself and whimsiscott

[jovial creek]

what does arch do on that team

[fluid lintel]

stall breaker

[jovial creek]

stall in vgc?

[fluid lintel]

I can't find a word to describe interrupting setters like Grimm snarl or Clefairy/nasty plot users

also it can revenge kill ignoring rage powder and follow me

[fluid lintel]

I switched decidueye hisui for urshifu rapid

[digital fiber]

https://pokepast.es/45f65199d5845bff

I kinda cooked with this team honestly. Ik, ur probably gonna question my restricted, but hey, it honestly worked for me, just here to do 2 things:

1: (sort of) show off/case.

2: see what u think and maybe some pointers.

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[jovial creek]

I think if you want you want to use zekrom it should be clam with gouging

But rn it just looks super incin weak

[digital fiber]

Ursh takes care of that. And I made Rilla able to outspeed ur average incin (even with speed investment) so I can outfake it.

[digital fiber]

Clam with gouging? Sorry, idk what u mean by that.

[wild sinew]

Clear Amulet with Gouging Fire as a partner

[digital fiber]

In place of which mon?

I'm curious because I tried to pair it with Clefairy for friend guard boost.

[wild sinew]

He was suggesting that should be your direction if you really wanted to play Zekrom

[jovial creek]

Or dragon dance

But it needs some sort of setup since it's not really strong enough

[digital fiber]

I mean, I oh-kod a kyogre once without a helping hand boost...?

[jovial creek]

But rillaboom could do that

[digital fiber]

I'm not a fan of setup, because every time I try, my setup somehow ends up being interrupted by something.

[distant stump]

Zekrom is kinda worse Raging Bolt

This team would be way better with caly-s

[jovial creek]

Since it's your restricted it has to do something different

[jovial creek]

Wdym

[digital fiber]

In the past I've tried to use other mons for setup moves (swords dance, nasty plot, u get it) and like 99% of the time I tried, it was unsuccessful. So hence why I've steered away from it. It could be different now, idk, but I could ditch assault vest for clear amulet and volt switch for ddance maybe.

[jovial creek]

I think you go bolt strike dragon Claw dragon dance protect

With clear amulet

The thing with setup is that you have to learn when to go for it

[digital fiber]

I'll see what others have to say about that. And u think it'll be fine without crunch coverage, I had it for the Calys.

[jovial creek]

The calys will normally just tera if they see crunch

And +1 bolt strike should do a lot

[digital fiber]

K, thx

[digital fiber]

U think it still partners well with Clefairy for friend guard boost?

[jovial creek]

Yeah

And follow me

[digital fiber]

And other supports? Since I gave it after you as a trick room counter.

anywho, I'll put it on and see what magic it provides, thx.

[jovial creek]

Gl on ladder

[digital fiber]

Oh I plan on doing ingame ranked, this is just to help me reference.

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/06284fcd8218d179 hows this team

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[keen escarp]

Looks very solid. Only small changes I would recommend:

• Tera Ground > Tera Water on Whimsicott: Helps spam Discharge more freely

• Protect > Helping Hand on Whimsicott, and Protect > Tera Blast/Helping Hand on Farig: Protect is VERY good with Encore Whimsi. And helps with Farig longevity.

• Modest > Timid on Miraidon. You are already fast with twind. Not a mandatory change, just something you can consider.

• Why is Inci so slow oo. Make it faster imo. Atleast faster than standard inci.

Looking good, hope this helps. Good luck!

[thorny obsidian]

https://pokepast.es/bc48afceb811859e

It’s half of my team

I’m working on the other 3

[jovial creek]

Looks good

Probably add chi yu torn+1

[thorny obsidian]

the team is terapogos flutter mane urshifu chin yu tornadus and ammongus

Basically this

[jovial creek]

That's good

[rustic jewel]

why put sleep talk on terapogos if it dont have away to sleep

[jovial creek]

its incase it gets spored

[rustic jewel]

oh yea forgor spore did that

im kinda bad at this

when i mean kinda, i mean ive never made a vgc team in my life and i havent played pokemon in 2 months untill today

but i am working on a team

[tall ore]

https://pokepast.es/f287aa0b531d1881

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall ore]

spitballing a team here

just initial thoughts, wondering where i could improve

[jovial creek]

pretty good team with a random thundurus

cornerstone is prefered on miriadon teams as a sturdy redirection mon

[tall ore]

cornerstone?

[jovial creek]

I'd say go iron hands/ursaluna-bm over thundy

[jovial creek]

cornerstone ogerpon

[tall ore]

i was thinking BM

[jovial creek]

instead of waterpon

[tall ore]

ohh

aight aight

yeah i just usually like water and chance water absorb for urshi

would you say cornerstone would be preferable with BM?

cause i think with bm water might be better for potential baits

[jovial creek]

the idea is that you can always follow me and trick room and ogerpon will survive both attacks

if you have sturdy

[tall ore]

mm true

ok i think i get it

https://pokepast.es/32da57f42cdc97ff

hows this?

[sleek laurel]

@jovial creek sorry are you still online, you were here 10 mins ago

I need to ask you a question in compgen about a vgc thing

And you're the only (theoretically) up vgc rater

[jovial creek]

What is it

[sleek laurel]

Actually I might just send it here tbg

I have an already-rated caly-i team but im struggling to choose tera

For caly-i

Can I send it

[jovial creek]

Yeah

[sleek laurel]

Bet ty

https://pokepast.es/04ebf92c0a52ed4d

Mostly just the caly-i tera but any other details you see could be worth mentioning too

[jovial creek]

Grass

That team doesn't like amoon

[sleek laurel]

Yeah I've liked grass recently but thought I'd ask anyway

Thanks

[jovial creek]

If you struggle with amoon then you could go goggles farig but team looks good

I also don't see what flutter does there but if it works it works

[digital fiber]

https://pokepast.es/bc72a707a1ce4bf8

Tryna build up a new team, seem viable?

[jovial creek]

You don't need farigiraf there since lunala is already a Psychic type trick room setter

I think ursaluna-BM works there because it works in both tailwind and Trick room modes

[distant stump]

There’s very little offensive pressure here is the thing

Like u don’t have a big damage dealer, I agree with bm

I would consider rillaboom instead of amoonguss as well

[digital fiber]

Ok, just to make it quick, who stays and who goes and who comes in?

Other than Amoongus since u said that. I can build from there.

[digital fiber]

Other than Lunala, ur right. But I shouldn't rely on 1 mon. Actually, isn't Ursh kinda damaging?

[digital fiber]

U know what, screw everything. Imma wait until reg H drops so I can use 2 restricteds, 1 which I vibe with, and another that sticks with the meta.

This is not me tantruming or raging in any way, I just find it kinda difficult to only build around 1 major mon.

[distant stump]

Maybe, but it just isent enough

Really

[distant stump]

Farigiraff or tornados

Depends on which team mode u want to go for

[distant stump]

Okay!

[rustic jewel]

reg h has 2 restrictedQ?!??!?!?!?

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

1 restricted is unique

[digital fiber]

Rumor has it.

[rustic jewel]

they better restrict urshi and ogerpon

they op as fuck

[digital fiber]

Reason I prefer it is u don't have to base ur team around any of these 3 mons to be successful:

Caly Ice
Caly Shadow
Miraidon

Or at least u can side them with something else.

[rustic jewel]

miraidon!?!?! i thought people used the other one

since when has it been good in vgc

[digital fiber]

People are starting to say Koraidon is getting worse.

[rustic jewel]

koraidon got glazed

[digital fiber]

Since the f*cking wheel was invented!

[rustic jewel]

i dont pay attention to vgc anyway

only wolfy glick

tbh im watching him rn

[digital fiber]

Wait a second, then why do u care if the next reg has more restricteds???

[rustic jewel]

cuz im trying to make a team

and ik that ogerpon and urshi is controlling the meta

[digital fiber]

Well u have until what I believe to be September 1st to vibe in the current meta.a

[rustic jewel]

aight

too bad there aint no tournys

ig imma wait till an online one

[wild sinew]

Terap and Kyogre also broken

[lost phoenix]

u finally came around to kyogre huh

[wild sinew]

Because I only played against MW and Choiced

Which are ass

AV broken

[lost phoenix]

mw aint ass

choiced is

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/2882e1f6002f9287

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree, @keen escarp, @jovial creek. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[distant stump]

Ur team doesen't really have much synergy, kingdra is also kinda bad

Iron Crown + Indeede is a pretty bad combo now, its just too weak and when using Kyogre I cant think of many situations where you can afford to bring both and only one other mon with Kyogre

Kingdra is just bad, Urshifu-RS with scarf is better in like every way