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[north tree]

If you're fine with lead roulettes you can run 2-2-2 dozo as a hyperoffense team

The team features chien pao dragonite + flutter mane chiyu + dondozo tatsugiri

[ornate cloak]

Idk what that means 😭

[ornate cloak]

Ohk

I see

Although, now that you mention Chi-Yu, would Tera grass Chi-Yu and Lando-I beat the Dozo Ting Lu core?

[north tree]

this is a bit more unorthodox for hyperoffense but for paonite hyperoffense this is one of the best archtypes

[north tree]

your own dondozo + tatsugiri does that

tera grass blast dondozo is an option

[ornate cloak]

I mean

Yeah

Leftovers rest maybe?

[north tree]

chien pao + outrage dragonite also grabs a lot

[ornate cloak]

True

[north tree]

if you can ko the opposing dondozo you don't need rest or anything like that

lemme find a 2-2-2 sample

[ornate cloak]

Alr bet bet

[ornate cloak]

I mean tbf, in all of my games against Dondozo Ting Lu, it's always the Ting Lu that teras

[north tree]

https://pokepast.es/24cec98ec4d0adae

this one doesn't have tera blast grass dozo

but you can always replace order up for it

[ornate cloak]

Yeah

[north tree]

this team hit 15th at vanc

dex spreads are fine for this

[ornate cloak]

Actually, I do remember using Flutter Mane Chi-Yu with paonite

[drifting onyx]

VGC24 Regulation F (Gen 9)

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Overview

For more info, see this format's Dex page.

[ornate cloak]

Oh damn

[north tree]

the dex page should have spreads for all these mons

[ornate cloak]

Yeah

Although, this team would be really weak to DarkShifu if I didn't bring Flutter Mane, right?

[north tree]

the team is very finnicky to play with, I don't play with teams like it for this reason

[ornate cloak]

Yea

[north tree]

you can espeed and sacred sword it

and helmet into wave crash also gets it

[ornate cloak]

Ig that works

[north tree]

the team is designed just to kill everything

and your opponent can't lead correctly into all 3 of flutter yu and paonite and dozo + other mon who will most likely switch into giri t1

so it's a guessing game

[ornate cloak]

Yeah

But, and idk if this is true, but there is a lot of risk in using this team right?

As in, say I bring Dragonite Chien Pao, if one of the two gets KO'd, the other wouldn't be that good on its on

Idk how to explain it

[north tree]

not really all these pokemon are high quality

but yeah it's high risk high reward

[ornate cloak]

I mean, true

Are there any good haze users in reg F?

[north tree]

tbh

No

pao gets it but never uses it

[ornate cloak]

I mean, Dozogiri does really well then icl

Okay, I'll start practicing with this team and see how it goes, tysm for your help

[north tree]

np

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a27bfcfe3d769795
https://pokepast.es/d2ebd6eb42b5e35a
Which team is more well put

[lunar meteor]

https://pokepast.es/d65fdb0a0d2fabce who could i add as the last pokemon here?

[narrow dock]

-Take out Farigiraf
-Add Rillaboom and Flutter Mane
-Add sunny day to Whimsicott
-Use the Smogon Ev spread recommendation for regF

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/5240a95875fa6c14 here's what I mean

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[wild sinew]

The former

[wild sinew]

Honestly recommend using a sample team due to the many issues you have here.

Glimmora's primary niche is hitting hard with and after Meteor Beam, which Scarf doesn't let you do, and you don't actually ohko the faster threats to justify Scarf anyway.

Sitrus Berry gives Farigiraf more burst healing making Trick Room easier to set up, and Psychic is important for hitting Amoonguss and Urshifu-R. Usually don't need Protect and Hyper Voice doesn't hit anything notable.

Grassy Glide Ogerpon without your own Rillaboom

Gapdos is not very good and needs Scarf to function best, gets around faster threats. Ground is a sub optimal Tera type as you have Farigiraf for Raging Bolt and keeps you weak to Chien Pao and Urshifu-R.

Whimsicott is also pretty lacking as a Pokemon. Far too frail to pull off the switcheroo tech, and the 6% chip doesn't bring you enough when you're trying to kill everything in your 4 turn tailwind timer.

Speaking of which, All of your Pokemon are fast with nothing to take advantage of Trick Room, Farigiraf has no synergy with the rest of the team.

[distant stump]

Danm you diden't have to go this hard

[wild sinew]

I was nicee

[fresh flicker]

Luna is doing her best at her job, ok!

[ember spire]

https://pokepast.es/32e7e61a8e8547b1
a lot of speculation of kyogre being washed has floated around, but i think its being downplayed a little too much. so i decided to utilize tera to flip the script vs the competition adn use its other fantastic attributes to make a solid team. with its great hp and spdef and usable speed stat with tera grass and fasting flying moves from scarf lando t with tera blast able to hit pokemon like raging bolt and ogerpon w hard, and torn t for speed control and the ability to rain dance again to help with the weather war, rillaboom to replace psychic terrain for calyrex and electric terrain from miradon while hitting it hard with high horsepower and the reg f av spread rounding out the support for the team, and the final mons i added were booster raging bolt for some more powerful damage with thunder as an option depending on how often you think rain will be up and mystic water urshifu r as some hard damage output

[cerulean totem]

Reg G yay

do i go ekiller or caly-i chat?

[lunar meteor]

holy sh i just realized how idiot i am xd

but thx for the feedback

[wild sinew]

Be aware: format has gotten a ladder 3 hours ago and a lot of what I say is speculation that might be wrong a few days later

Cm Kyogre is interesting, but I think lefties is the optimal item like most set up Pokemon. When you're trying to set up a wincon you'll be on the field for enough turns for Leftovers to outweigh Sitrus Berry recovery.

To do that well, I'd suggest Incineroar over Landorus-T. Better synergy with Kyogre and Rillaboom defensively and better support for set up.

I'm actually unsure about the Urshifu-R/Raging Bolt slot and think Farigiraf for Tailroom would be strongest. None of your Pokemon are particularity fast enough to overwhelm opposing speed control with Tailwind and protects Kyogre from Grassy Glide and Thunderclap.

[wild sinew]

Better than me when I started!

[lunar meteor]

do you guys think that ogerpon water with wood hammer could be a good choice against kyogre if it gets used a lot?

[spiral shale]

ogerpon-w will be good anyway

[lunar meteor]

its always good

[fresh flicker]

For the tike being I will not be playing Regulation G. I really do not like restricted formats.

[ember spire]

https://pokepast.es/ff93f92da50c231a
this version look better? gave incin snarl for caly

[drifting onyx]

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[ember spire]

plus flare blitz in rain aint great

[wild sinew]

Yeah

[ember spire]

kewl

[ember spire]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2093581624-mvxqi1yliw5kokwxk6nom6s7vpqdpdkpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2093583526-vbhrs90drkiuujzeasvjdlaau3jv8k3pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024reggbo3-2093586614-bzmpuw8lgnwf74oylytw6qb8ov4i7kzpw
didnt do too bad in a bad mu

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/adc439dd569cd2cf how does this look

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/9d039e3f5c66555c hows this team

[topaz edge]

Made a E-terrain team with manual terrain on jugulis to help keep it active in case of rilla or indeedee.

[wild sinew]

If you do use E terrain Jugulis you'd rather use Covert Cloak to set up Tailwind and handle Caly S with Snarl regardless of Fake Out

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/0d01bb5046443d4a hows this team

[wild sinew]

Rest of the team feels a bit reliant on E terrain which isn't good because most of these Pokemon are pretty niche

[topaz edge]

Gotcha. I was hoping to make a team work around that. Who or what would need replacing then/could be kept?

[wild sinew]

Iron Leaves is just unviable unfortunately, you want to give Miraidon some support with Follow Me Ogerpon-W.

Iron Valiant and Iron Bundle kind of collide, one of them takes the Focus Sash and a supporting role. Think I'd cut Iron Bundle simply because you have Iron Jugulis already. Can probably go for Incineroar in that slot to actually inable pivoting.

Iron Hands doesn't need double fighting STAB, Ice Punch, Heavy Slam, and Volt Switch, are all options over Close Combat.

[wild sinew]

You really want Trick Room Caly-I to have a more flexible time picking leads, or Swords Dance to capitalise on passive turns. Don't like the Caly I moves in general tbh, High Horsepower is the best coverage you could ask for.

Then I think one of Farigiraf or P2, as well as Kingambit, should be replaced for Pokemon that create another mode. Hard trick room is simply not the greatest archetype afterall. Tornadus Urshifu/Flutter Flutter is a consistent duo to look at.

[topaz edge]

I see. Unfortunate that iron leaves is that unusable. Also I’ve seen discussion about using valiant as a mixed but I feel it has better special options then physical.

[wild sinew]

Personally just
Moonblast / Wide Guard / Encore / Protect or other support move

[topaz edge]

Oh make it a support mon?

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/a54dfd5ae7b7b233 is this better

[wild sinew]

Calyrex-Ice moveset and yeah

[wild sinew]

Mhm

[narrow dock]

whats wrong with the moveset

[wild sinew]

First paragraph

Glacial Lance / High Horsepower / Trick Room or Swords Dance / Protect or Heavy Slam

[narrow dock]

and what about the Ev spread

[wild sinew]

Fine as it is for now

[narrow dock]

i added swords dance over body press

https://pokepast.es/15b4b8306fb77ca4 what about this team

for Shadow Caly

[wild sinew]

Believe already gave a rate

[topaz edge]

Thanks for the help btw!

[narrow dock]

what tera type on caly

[wild sinew]

Fairy/Fighting is good

[wild sinew]

Yw!

[narrow dock]

and why booster energy when i have sunny day

[wild sinew]

Tornadus isn't consistent at setting it, a lot of the time you won't even bring the two together

Also forgot to mention but Snarl is better than Breaking Swipe this Regulation

[narrow dock]

than should i use raging bolt

[wild sinew]

No need
It's an option though

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/525cd8e97b5188c6 @wild sinew is the torn slot necessary here? i have only loaded it into koraidon

[wild sinew]

Not really, you don't have enough that take advantage of Tailwind

I'm interested in Indeedee in that slot

[lost phoenix]

without torn korai feels kinda iffy but i feel like i can just outplay between ghost incin and fairy calyi?

ig indeedee makes the mirai matchup trivial tho

so i could use that

what item do those run? sash or psyseed?

[wild sinew]

Seed imo

Shouldn't be having bulk issues
Esp with incin

[lost phoenix]

ill just run standard gleam tr hhand then right

[modern phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/c6a6fb447c464ea5 haven’t played much since reg e, feel very shaky on the EV spreads

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[wild sinew]

Collision Course is optional to OHKO Incineroar.

Flutter Mane definitely needs bulk, Strategy Dex spread should still work out.

I like Gouging Fire over Incineroar here to help overcome Intimidate.

Not sure what Corviknight does for this team, Jumpluff is a Tailwind setter that takes advantage of sun.

[modern phoenix]

Corv was to set tailwind while also walling Lando and rillaboom. I also liked mirror armor reflecting intimidate but admittedly it’s something I tossed on at the end

[modern phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/54b8a8a38493460b used the gouging and flutter spreads from the strategy dex, didn’t see anything for Jumpluff and wasn’t really sure what to do with them so I just maxed speed and HP

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/504b42662aecaa19

Rain team

[wild sinew]

I find Specs pretty exploitable on this team, if you want to build around it you'd want to drop Urshifu and Amoonguss for Farigiraf and Rillaboom respectively.

Farigiraf helps deny priority from Rillaboom and Raging Bolt, and can Trick Room vs faster teams allowing Kyogre to Water Spout as much as it wants. Urshifu-R kind of overlaps with Kyogre here.

Your Miraidon match up is naturally incredibly poor, so Rillaboom is the preferable Grass type here to patch it up.

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/25365bb9b017c2af Reg G first attempt at a cally s team

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[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/a07afc2cef430f4f and this is my don sun TW team which imo is better

[ornate cloak]

Reg G Psyspam:

https://pokepast.es/7c445535e80c20eb

[wild sinew]

Nasty Plot isn't great here as you just get walled by Dark types, Tera Blast Fighting looks best.

Regieleki is mid speed control and is just not as good as Tornadus on this team.

[ornate cloak]

Alr I'll change that

Rest of the team looks fine?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

[wild sinew]

If you want to use Walking Wake would recommend Incineroar in the last slot, during in a FWG core on sun is its primary niche. Also opens up opportunities to set up Swords Dance.

Tera Dark is sub optimal on Rillaboom, Fire provides more key resistances and synergises with sun. Tornadus also wants Tera Steel and either Covert Cloak or Protect over Taunt to play around Fake Out.

[wild sinew]

Use Expanding Force Focus Sash/Life Orb Caly-S. So much value when you have Indeedee-F.

Otherwise looks nice

[unkempt yacht]

It was originally incin but i changed to better deal with terapagose

And dondozo

I can change back tho

[wild sinew]

You should

You're good into them either way

+2 Groudon rips through Terapagos
Rillaboom forces Dondozo's Tera Grass and then you hit it with 100 BP Heat Crash

If Terapagos is that much of a problem you can always go Snarl Incineroar

[unkempt yacht]

Alr ty

[unkempt yacht]

What about tera rock rilla it resists fire bug and flying

It covers torn, dnite, Harch, and just any E speed or flying type user

As well as most of the stuff tera fire covers

[fresh flicker]

Rock is a bad defensive type with more weaknesses.

Fire is weak to Rock, Water, and Ground only.

Rock is weak to Fighting, Ground, Steel, Water, and Grass. All except Steel, are common attacking types.

And REMEMBER, Koraidon and Ground are quite common. So it'll just be a reliability.

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/3ab3b90b0e0bd8ca Made a hard trick room team using dialga origin and ursaluna as the main duo. Primarina is on the team mainly cause I wanted a water type that worked under trick room well and couldn't think of a better option.

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[covert hill]

hii everyone

soo I used to play VGC some months ago (I was actually an active user on this server) but then I decided to step back in reg D cuz I wasn't really enjoying the game anymore

but a couple weeks I decided to get back and bougth the DLCs and planned to play VGC again

the thing is im very lost since there are a lot of new pokémon ahahahahah

can anyone help me teambuilding and tell me whats meta rn for reg F?

[wild sinew]

Recommend waiting a bit and building for G since it will be the official format in a month

[covert hill]

mmm ok ty

I'll have to finish the DLC in the meantime

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/d5df0be98155fd39 cally I TR team

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/16b587ad4b85e9fd edited it a bit

Think i might do offensive farigaraf over ursaluna blood moon

[wild sinew]

I like this change, that or P2 make tr easier to get up

And Amoonguss is better than Ogerpon-W as a partner, providing a lot of pressure under TR

[wild sinew]

Actually over Ninetales

It takes far too long to set it and trick room up

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/6b5f093fcac5fc7a this work

Im proud of the gholdengo set

[rotund fossil]

https://pokepast.es/3272683aaaec6130 Hello! I'm attempting to make a team for the upcoming format, this is my first ever attempt so let me know how good/bad I did

[wild sinew]

Gardevoir...

[wanton abyss]

2014 called it wants its psychic type back

In all seriousness, thank you for sharing! Gardevoir is very much the odd one out on a team like this. That slot can be used for some other options

For example, it looks like you’re weak into TR, so putting a Pokemon that can reverse trick room or is bulky enough to stall out turns might be favorable

[distant stump]

Whimsi and Gardevoir are just kinda outclassed by Flutter and Tornadus. Theres no need for Gardevoir if your running Calyrex, Flutter or something else is generally stronger in that slot

[wanton abyss]

Don’t sleep on Whimsicott smh

[distant stump]

Tornadus has more offensive pressure than whimsi, and does everything it can do but better. Why are you running fake tears on a psychic terrain team anyways?

[wanton abyss]

The fake tears utility is honestly very good with comboing with Caly shadow

[wanton abyss]

This is a good point, it is counter intuitive

[distant stump]

Well yeah but then you cant get tw up

[wanton abyss]

not with that attitude

[rotund fossil]

That is a really good point I didn’t consider, I just know tailwind is normally good on a team usually

[wanton abyss]

Your instincts did not fail you! It’s also important to consider how well your team operates as both individual pieces and as a cohesive whole

[rotund fossil]

So a trick room reset, creselia would be a good option?

[distant stump]

No run tr on indeede

It gets it, no need to run a slot for cress when indeedee can fill that role

[rotund fossil]

Would I replace heal pulse?

And since whimsicot doesn’t work very well should I switch it with another kind of support?

[wild sinew]

Ideally yeah

[rotund fossil]

So if I want to play seriously switch gardi for flutter, adjust the trick room, and then I need something to replace whimsi?

[sleek laurel]

This is my very first 100% self-built VGC team, the meta is starting out and I tried my hand at this

I just wanted to build w Korai and went for a sun team from there, but open to changing anything except Korai

Edit: that was OTS Pokepaste, this is the one you should actually check: https://pokepast.es/7ef456a0de9c469c

[rotund fossil]

https://pokepast.es/03f1a3cac040bdc6
Attempt 2!

[wild sinew]

Koraidon is actually bulky and the typing isn't bad, you'll commonly be switching in on things to reset weather and take advantage of Dragon typing. Life Orb, Scarf, Clear Amulet, Assault Vest, Loaded Dice are all better options.

Think if you wanted to use Focus Sash you'd put it on Flutter Mane because it'll be harder to survive hits in a restricted format.

Iron Hands is weird on this team, overlaps with Incineroar and doesn't provide enough for the team, but this slot is pretty flexible. Rillaboom is ideal if you wanted something for Miraidon, also complete a FWGF core. Gouging Fire and Kingambit are options to get around Intimidate, making Koraidon more threatening. Follow Me Hearthflame is also nice if you aim for some sort of set up.

[wild sinew]

Protect on Calyrex-Shadow, helps with positioning which is extremely impotent considering terrain war. Tera Fighting Tera Blast is also probably better than Grass Knot.

Run Max defense Indd, speed is detrimental as 3 of your moves are priority and you need to override Rillaboom's terrain.

I think Choiced Flutter and Urshifu makes it a pretty hard to position team, and one of them can definitely be swapped out for something like Tornadus to give you more flexible options for speed control

[rotund fossil]

Made the top two fixes, would it work to switch urshifu to a focus sash build?

[wild sinew]

Could but I think Tailwind is still better because half of your team isn't going to work out well with Trick Room

[rotund fossil]

The trick room is more to stop other people from using it, I was more focusing on fast + psychic terrain

Plus woudln't I run into issues with psychic terrain + tailwind on tornadus?

[wild sinew]

You can click Tailwind because it's not a targeted move

You can't click Fake Tears / Taunt

[rotund fossil]

Ah, so probably replace taunt on the incineroar too? And as far as which to replace probably flutter so I still have a physical threat available?

[wild sinew]

Incineoar can use Taunt since it isn't Prankster

[sterile flame]

guys what are good pairs for calyrex ice

I'm just running him like an armarouge

[acoustic slate]

https://pokepast.es/5fc1841ea1f4ead6

Reg G Lunala team I made, what do we think

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[wild sinew]

Trick Room over Protect on Lunala is optimal and frees up Sinistcha slot for something like Rillaboom to answer Miraidon.

Latias doesn't exactly synergise with the team and is super mid. Ursaluna is a nice pick to polish the trick room mode.

[acoustic slate]

Would miracle seed rilla work, or would I need to switch the item of Kingambit?

[wild sinew]

Miracle Seed is fine

[acoustic slate]

Alright, ty

[sleek laurel]

Was asleep by the time you wrote this but implemented the changes, gonna test w follow me hearthflame

Thanks a lot lol

Glad it wasn't as bad as i thought

[wild sinew]

no problem, have fun !

[sleek laurel]

Ty lol

[celest salmon]

https://pokepast.es/e8869b29d3c6593b
I built this team in 20 mins so it shouldn't be too strong + its my first restricted format, although surprisingly enough I've been winning 10 of my last 13 games. Miraidon is just your average miraidon, although idk if magnet is appropriate, but I used it bcs magnet electro drift in electric terrain goes damn hard. Iron Bundle is interesting because tera dark tera blast OHKO pretty much any calyrex shadow build, after quark drive spe boost with miraidon pair, personally I've won 4 games just because my opponent give up after a surprise iron bundle tera blast. Iron hands is (are?) here because assault vest gives it insane bulk with drain punch and high hp investment, also atk gets boosted with quark drive to be a serious threat even not in Trick Room. I dont know the rationale behind using kingambit, but its just a strong pokemon. Incineroar is incineroar, and oger hearthflame is suggested to be a good pair with miraidon by NeilVGC so guess Im using it.

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[vapid cape]

https://pokepast.es/75991732fcea8ad2
Ready to be told my team is terrible lol

[acoustic slate]

Protect choice specs goes hard

[spice raft]

https://pokepast.es/6a7983b182bd8c2e
I was trying to be a bit daring today

[unkempt yacht]

Anyone have a terapagose team core and or set i could use?

[vapid cape]

In hindsight I completely forgot that it was specs and went into autopilot building mode

[wild sinew]

Run Volt Switch and Draco Meteor on Miraidon, Calm Mind isn't great because you want to be pivoting vs Rillaboom, Indeedee-F, Terapagos.

Iron Bundle wants Focus Sash due to how frail it is and the importance of clicking Icy Wind then an attack. My rates are naturally built for ots as they're just as effective in cts, while cts techs are a lot less effective in ots (Open/Closed team sheets). Hence I'd recommend removing Tera Blast for Protect.

Wild Charge on Iron Hands is important to pick up specific KOs, and Tera Ice doesn't give you enough crucial defensive utility. Tera Water comes to mind as a nice defensive option.

If you don't have a reason for Kingambit, probably don't use it. Since you brought up Trick Room, you could try Trick Room Imprison Farigiraf to better your Calyrex-Ice matchup.

Incineroar needs bulk all the way and does not care about speed or attack as a supportive Pokemon. 236/4/76/0/156+/36 is a simple yet effective EV spread complimented by Sitrus Berry's burst healing which matters more than Leftovers.

You could also consider dropping Iron Bundle and Kingambit/Farigiraf for Chien-Pao and Iron Jugulis when opting for Tailwind

[wild sinew]

I think the Chien-Pao is off here, and Gouging Fire or Kingambit fit that slot perfectly. AV Groudon, Rillaboom and Ogerpon-H all do not like Intimidate and you want something to scare away Incineroar.

Icy wind over Protect on Ghost barbie, invest in bulk too.

I'm honestly not the biggest fan of the double grass types here, one of them as a Farigiraf or Jumpluff would be stronger because you have 0 speed control.

[wild sinew]

Garg, Hydrapple, and Miraidonless Iron Hands

Weakness Policy isn't the most consistent thing too

[sharp aurora]

I’m working on a rain based team and I’m specifically making it a rain team to make my favorite Pokémon Ludicolo at least viable for competitive. Any suggestions on what to change? Also any suggestions for the 6th Pokémon? I’m not really planning on changing any of the Pokémon unless you have a Pokémon that would really benefit more. Anyway here is the link of the team! https://pokepast.es/b4e820b0eca4a35e

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[austere wasp]

I think you can add an urshifu (either) for your team, also unsure if leech seed + lefties works with ludicolo but id suggest ice beam on it

[sharp aurora]

Got it. Thanks for your help mate! ^^

[austere wasp]

The most common rain team i see is Archaludon / Pelipper / Urshifu-* rapid/ Landorus / Flutter Mane / Amoonguss

Can switch. 1 for the ludi

[sharp aurora]

That’s the thing. I don’t want to change Ludicolo

The whole point of the team is to use my favorite Pokémon lol

[austere wasp]

Oh i meant

The 6 i sent u can switch ludi in for smthg

Totally understand u wanting to use the ludi

[sharp aurora]

Oh

[austere wasp]

Ludicolo actually might have a niche in the next regulation but i am unsure

[sharp aurora]

I just see everyone using their favorite Pokémon work on competitive and I want to try that too. Unfortunately let’s say Ludicolo doesn’t have that many stuff to make it good in competitive lol

[sharp aurora]

Ooooh! What niche?

[austere wasp]

Unsure i havent explored it yet

[inner epoch]

First draft: https://pokepast.es/485cf0b59035e0af

Second draft: https://pokepast.es/fcd944c5afece6cd

Taking any advice on these I don't think there that good, and if someone can help me make breloom work I owe them my life since I really wanna

[austere wasp]

Technician mach punch sash with spore might work

[wispy solar]

https://pokepast.es/47ac14a027e383f9

hi

[wispy solar]

^

dont use breloom offensively tbh

just use it as a faster but frail amoongus basically

a bulky offensive breloom is not gonna be bulky at all

also half the mons r pretty ass n that

and the sets are not great 😭

Half of ur mons r mixed

[wild sinew]

Venusaur kinda sucks and is worse Jumpluff here, Tailwind is important.

Entei isn't great eitherand Hearthflame is the better offensive Fire due to stats and flexibility, gets Follow Me support too.

[wispy solar]

I never actually really thought abt venusaur like that

Jumpluff is much better

[wispy solar]

Main reason I like entei is because caly-s incin leads really stump my lead

[wild sinew]

You'll usually have enough protects to handle that

[rocky egret]

Hey, I'm a pretty new player to VGC and want to get into competing, this is the team I was making and I would really love some suggestions on what could be changed and the problem matchups it might have if possible. Thank you! (yes I didn't EV properly, I'll probably fix that later, sorry)
https://pokepast.es/cdfa12e5bd7e39da

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

You definitely want Clear Amulet Tera Fire/Water Cskyrex-Ice. Incineroar is far too common and a defensive Tera type is amazing for something as bulky as Calyrex.

Not sure what Kingambit does for the team and something that works outside of Trick Room like Flutter Mane or Scarf Urshifu-R works great. Helps keep team flexible

[rocky egret]

thanks, tbh I just saw some posts on the smogon discussion for the most recent regulation format and was like "hmm they're right, kingambit tera-fairy DOES look really good into good legends"

should I put the IVs on speed back up to 31 just for flexibility?

[wild sinew]

Caly I needs those to outspeed neutral speed Amoonguss

[rocky egret]

yeah thats what I did it for

I need to put some more tera grass on my team

amoongus is a big problem

[distant stump]

Flutter mane looks very nice there ya

[wild sinew]

Can make it so Amoonguss is a little slower to Pollen Puff Caly or Spore before you attack

[distant stump]

I recc going not max max special defense on amoonguss

A lot of your sets are max/max

Mons like Incineroar really want investments in bulk, speed, and other stats

Attack isen't worth it

[distant stump]

Generally speaking ursaluna uses orb, so replace lorb on caly for camulet

You want Lorb as throat spray set up takes too long in most games, opps are able to stall out Ursaluna effectively before it can fully utilize the boost

[wild sinew]

Yeah missed that

[rocky egret]

yeah, originally I was using throat spray ursaluna with a more bulky tera poison setup last format and I just didn't change over from that

ig life orb is generally just better, but I think throat spray could work

just not on this ursaluna lmao

[distant stump]

The problem with throat spray is that

It removes one of the key benefits of ursaluna bm over say hisui

Which is the initial pressure

If you want a set up sweeper

Hisui does it far better

[rocky egret]

fair

I presume you mean the base form?

[distant stump]

ye

[celest salmon]

nice thanks so much

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/67f68e53199293d6

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Make Calyrex-S Life Orb or Focus Sash and Clefairy an Ogerpon-W.

You're already the fastest relevant thing in the format and have Tailwind, protect and move switching is really valuable and is part of why Calyrex-Shadow is so good.

Clefairy is a second passive redirector that doesn't synergise with Tailwind, Ogerpon-W grants you a FWG core and works well with Tailwind

[ornate cloak]

Alright tysm, the rest of the team is fine tho?

[wild sinew]

Oop missed this but Sucker Punch > U turn on Urshifu, otherwise looks fine

[ornate cloak]

The reason I'm using Urshifu is because the team gets completely walled by Wide Guard users, (the only ones I've faced rn are Avalugg-Hisui and Armorouge, and Urshifu-Dark can beat those two easily)

[ornate cloak]

Alright

Idk any safe counter play to wide guard, and Urshifu-Dark was the only one I could think of

[wild sinew]

Taunt is an option

[ornate cloak]

I mean

[wild sinew]

Then you can click Overheat or Dark Pulse to delete

[ornate cloak]

Taunt on who?

Torn right?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

[ornate cloak]

Played two games, the team works like a charm, tysm for ur help

[wild sinew]

Happy to hear

[wispy solar]

Btw I took your advice, I didnt go straight with jumpluff because it still didn't really help with the core problems with the team, and decided to have more of a fully supportive mon in the 6th slot rather than a hybrid of support and offense

Its working much, much better

https://pokepast.es/a71113e3dbb864c2

You were 100% right about the lack of tailwind

My 'speed control' was mostly from rock tomb groudon, which is decent but definetly not great

Also whimsicott single handly makes the torn-ogre matchup go from complete shit to completely destroying it

So ty 🙏

[primal osprey]

https://pokepast.es/61f7ef5e480154e3
I would like a proper opinion on this team, I know hydreigon isn't "meta" but is there a way I can mold a team around it? If not, can you recommend replacements?

[vale thorn]

You could make him maybe even a bit more supportive, a Tera type of poison might be better than STAB flash cannon because it covers the weaknesses of fairy, bug, and fighting. I would maybe add helping hand or taunt instead of snarl due to its limited use. Other than that you could maybe run him as a nasty plot sweeper and build around him that way

[primal osprey]

wait, he learns helping hand!?!?! epic...

[vale thorn]

Yep, it's in the TM pool

[primal osprey]

I had no clue lol

[vale thorn]

Any suggestions on how to switch this up? It's getting me wins but it's like 5 wins for every 4 losses so I'm climbing the ladder very slowly and unreliably. I'm building around Groudon and Walking Wake because of their amazing synergy but everything else is negotiable

Also kyogre is kinda a big problem for the team for whatever reason despite having Rillaboom and Iron Hands

[wispy solar]

This team is heavily outdated

Urshifu should be scarfed, Replace landorus with sitrus incin, iron hands is pretty out of place, and should most likely be replaced by a restricted and build around it

Also if u wanna run hydreigon

Run sash

Theres 0 point of running a defensive set

With twind draco dark pulse for calyrex and protect

[wispy solar]

Replace hands with AV bolt

Also muscle band urshifu is just... no

If u really want the extra damage on all ur moves

Just run tera stellar focus sash

Same w wise glasses flutter

Makes no sense

[vale thorn]

Fair enough lol, thanks for the tips

[wispy solar]

If ur going for groudon sun

I would center around the fact that you have extremely hard hitting mons

Specs booster SpA flutter

Tera electric proto spA raging bolt

All insanely power hitters

[vale thorn]

Will do🫡

[wispy solar]

I dont mean to come off cocky or anything, but the one thing I do actually have a very good understanding of is sun

I love playing sun teams, and Ive used and built sun teams since reg B

Im at like #250 on ladder rn with a sun team if u want me to send the paste

[sand minnow]

@brittle gate

[modern phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/0fa9b0de7ecf9249 attempt at a hyper offense team with koraidon, I like everything except maybe Lando but I’m open to changing anything

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wispy solar]

I think hearthflame is just overall better

Instead of regular ogerpon

For this team

Also the gambit set is just not it

Just go for iron head kowtow sucker tera blast

Cos this team looks like it struggles against indeedee tr pretty hard

And sub on whims is weird

[brittle gate]

hi i'm here

[wispy solar]

U would get 100% more value from a more supportive option like charm, fake tears, helping hand, etc

And then just go with sash on whims

And tera ghost

[brittle gate]

ok so you guys are wanting to help me with this team

i can't use showdown atm but we can plan all the extras too

i expressed interest in using archaludon on the team

[wispy solar]

I would go banded pult

Specs pult in doubles is not good

[brittle gate]

mkay

[wispy solar]

And run darts, tera ghost tera blast, phantom force, uturn

[modern phoenix]

Do I just drop encore for wood hammer

[wispy solar]

And alolamola is just really, really bad

[wispy solar]

Yes

Or glide

[brittle gate]

so that's one thing

[modern phoenix]

Is glide really worth without Rilla

[brittle gate]

alomomola. not good huh

probably should drop it

is the glimmora ok?

or heck, what's ok and what's not @wispy solar

[wild sinew]

Tera Fire is a lot better on Koraidon to get STAB on Flare Blitz, Still brings Ice and Fairy resists and the Water weakness is neutralised by sun anyway.

Yeah Hearthflame is ideal here since you're already running Kingambit and it's a lot stronger in Sun.

Landorus can easily be Raging Bolt for the better matchups and synergy w sun.

[wild sinew]

One of the biggest reasons to run Clear Amulet Groudon is that you can click Protect, you'll also want to look into Swords Dance to sweep

Iron Hands is not as good as Raging Bolt on this team for sure, speed control is also an option

Flutter wants to be Focus Sash / Choice Specs and Urshifu just doesn't belong here, Incineroar or Landorus make it easier to pivot around.

Personally don't like Rillaboom here, Groudon teams are especially good vs Miraidon and usually have AV taken with Raging Bolt, if you drop Bolt, AV Rillaboom works here, but otherwise it's a flexible slot, I like an offensive Fire like Hearthflame here.

[wild sinew]

Team is just kind of outdated looking at the sets

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/8979ad5c21bbec7b

@wild sinew hey :3

[modern phoenix]

Does raging bolt still want booster with koraidon as assault vest is on kingambit or do I give it something like sitrus berry

[wild sinew]

Unsure if you do have enough support for CM Iron Crown but good otherwise :3c

[wild sinew]

Magnet is good

[lost phoenix]

cm crown is to help against kyuw and i think double follow me and offensive pressure is enough

[modern phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/2f901615ede55121 Not very good with EV’s but is something like this decent?

I’m guessing Tera fairy is also probably an option

[wild sinew]

Thunderbolt over Calm Mind but yes

[lost phoenix]

also do consider endeavor on whimsi but this seems good

[modern phoenix]

Thank you

[wispy solar]

1st thing is that u don’t have a restricted

And you mentioned that you’re trying to build around archaludon

[fresh flicker]

Also, use pokepaste.

[wispy solar]

So in this case, I would go with wellspring over hearthflame, and removing glimmora for kyogre, and I would personally replace pult with urshifu rapid, and replace Alo with torn

[fresh flicker]

It's more convenient for us raters and prevents other teams from being overshadowed.

[wispy solar]

That way you have multiple rain cores u can lead with, ogre urshi, torn-orge, torn archaludon

All work well with each other

And lean towards a more supportive Ogerpon

Ogerpon is very good especially into rain mirror match ups

[brittle gate]

hm

i feel i like the dragapult tho

not sure

but this does work

i'll try it but i'd also like to try using the dragapult somewhere

[wispy solar]

If u want, I can make a quick team build for what i was mentioning

If u want to test it

https://pokepast.es/37cff4f6bf6ab689

Archaludon ev'ed to outspeed caly-s in tailwind

Lando ev'ed to outspeed adamant urshifu

Kyorge able to take max spa tera electric tbolt from raging bolt

[vale thorn]

Like the link? Bc that is pokepaste

[rocky egret]

Hey, I'm looking over the team rn and I was thinking "my team is very weak to amoongus"

do you think tera grass on flutter mane could be viable?

on this team

and I was also wondering if theres any decent stat spreads you think could work

if you don't mind

[wild sinew]

Best you can do is Tera Grass Caly-I

[rocky egret]

fair

[wild sinew]

Regulation F ones work
And restricteds can function with 252/252 for now

[fresh flicker]

Ye the link.

[vale thorn]

Kk mb

[brittle gate]

looks good

i'm kinda worried because like

four legendaries

ik it's doubles uber, what if we did dou?

because like, i don't wanna be that legendary spammer

i definitely prefer playing with only one or two legendaries at most

like, at what point is someone considered a legendary spammer

[rocky egret]

I mean

I'd say spamming legends is if you're just adding legendaries to your team just because they're legends

[brittle gate]

true

i mean, these ones have a purpose

[rocky egret]

if its a genuine team and the legendairy pokemon are just good for the job then I don't see a problem with it

[brittle gate]

wise words

like i really like the team but it just sorta feels uncomfortable to use so many legendaries

[rocky egret]

fair

I mean, if its uncomfortable you can probably just look for mons with similar roles

[brittle gate]

i'm sure there could be other pokemon

yeah

like with my first dou team https://pokepast.es/9413206f379eef26

this feels comfortable

i'm totally ok with the landorus, in fact i feel i appreciate landorus more because it's the only legend on the team

it has some of my favorite pokemon so it feels really good

[rocky egret]

flutters dou?

anyways I adjusted the team with the suggestions that I got and heres the final result

https://pokepast.es/95341d676fea546b

oops forgor to change amoongus to regen

[brittle gate]

somehow it's legal

[rocky egret]

huh

odd

also I just realized

I've been playing with amoongus WITHOUT REGENERATOR

I never changed off effect spore

[wild sinew]

You won't be like that dw

If anyone complains to you about your team they're stupid for playing this

[rocky egret]

plays in a format with legendary pokemon
COMPLAINS ABOUT OTHERS USING LEGENDARY POKEMON

literally nobody cares tho

I think

idk

[wild sinew]

Yeah almost nobody

[rocky egret]

I think the only people who complain about that stuff is the people in temp6t videos

hmm

lmao

[wild sinew]

There's a select few that whine but they're casuals and you'll only see them lower in your ladder climb

[rocky egret]

@wild sinew whats your opinion on tera dark calyrex-ice?

so its immune to prankster taunt, and resists astral barrage

actually I might change tera fairy on farig to tera dark

[wild sinew]

I don't think it's worth it over most Terastallizations

[rocky egret]

fair

I think that tera grass is better currently because it resists kyogre (I have a lot of problems with kyogre teams)

[wild sinew]

That and immune to spore

[rocky egret]

yeah

[wispy solar]

What

Dawg

This is the vgc channel 💀

This whole time I thought you’ve been talking about regulation g 😭

There’s a doubles ou channel

If ur playing doubles ou then disregard what I’ve been talking about

Cos I don’t play dou at all

[rocky egret]

dude Ursaluna-BM + Calyrex Ice is SOOO good

[unkempt anvil]

https://pokepast.es/b376bbdd4292c365 should I change something?

For Reg F (Senior Division tournament)

[real cedar]

Never cuz at the end of the day they're just another pokemon regardless of their lore status

[wild sinew]

This is standard you'll be fine

[cerulean totem]

this is standard but i like the fast throat chop incin

[unkempt anvil]

Do you have any idea ob how I play this team? I know it's something about balance, but I dunno what that means. I just got recommended this team and didn't get much help

[wild sinew]

Generally refers to pivoting (switching) to help position for a wincon, which will usually be CM Raging Bolt

Chien Pao Urshifu exists as a strong offensive mode you can use to blow past a lot of slower teams

[unkempt anvil]

Oh, nice

[wild sinew]

A lot of other hints to playing depends on the opponent's team which you'll learn through experience

[wispy solar]

Only thing that sticks out is tera grass rilla

Tera grass rilla was really good but incineroar made it a lot lesse potent

U could prob go tera fire or poison

[hasty owl]

https://pokepast.es/31fc01ec1e1e5f4b

This team’s based around the synergy of zacian and gouging, normal tera flutter is for calyrex-s and yh

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wispy solar]

I would go bulwark over howl on gougin

And prob go bulkier

If ur going for a howl support set

Also I would prob just go for 207 speed on zacian

Ur not outspeed calyrex anyways so

[hasty owl]

Yh that’s what I was thinking

Howl goes well with zacian for incin

• crazy damage

I think I should replace snarl w bulwark

[wild sinew]

Slow down Zacian and invest in bulk so Gouging Fire can boost Zacian with howl before it moves.

Burning Bulwark is just really strong as a protection move and way more valuable than Breaking Swipe, doesn't lower much you need it to this metagame.

I think condensing the Urshifu and Ogerpon-W slot is optimal so you can use Urshifu-R and Rillaboom, giving you a Miraidon answer without losing hard to Kyogre and Incineroar. This also allows Flutter Mane to run Focus Sash Icy Wind which is probably preferable on this team, provides you with speed control and doesn't need the Tera Normal.

Landorus abuses Substitute really well, especially with Fake Out support. Inaccurate Sandsear Storm isn't something you want to gamble on a lot either.

[wispy solar]

Just saw a mf using flash cannon miraidon

☠️

[hasty owl]

What would be good evs for zacian

[tulip totem]

you really need that 65 on flutter, trust me

[wispy solar]

electro drift gon make flutter mane go boom

[wild sinew]

Nvm Im stupid and didnt realize you already outspeed

164+ Outspeeds Iron Bundle so can opt for that

[wispy solar]

^

If u wanna be really stingy

Most bundles will be booster speed anyways

So u need to just worry abt flutter

And just go 206

And u dont have any icy wind users so

Wont be lowering bundle

And personally I would go CC over sacred sword on zacian

[hasty owl]

https://pokepast.es/b2d19cba5705e3ba

Ok I made the changes

Is there anything else I might need to do

[wispy solar]

U forgot bulwark

On gouging

[hasty owl]

https://pokepast.es/b2d19cba5705e3ba

Yh it’s there

[wild sinew]

wont because of Miraidon, switch in Rillaboom and epic

[cerulean totem]

more bulk on lando and urshi imo

[wild sinew]

60/156+/20/0/20/252 works as an Urshifu spread

[wispy solar]

U rite

[wild sinew]

Flare Blitz is ideal over Heat Crash, consider going Tera Grass on Gouging if Amoonguss becomes problematic. Sacred vs CC will be preference on Zacian.

[hasty owl]

I’ll test the team out then

Thanks

[wispy solar]

Ngl I disagree with blitz over crash

Amoongus has fallen off significantly

And doesn't really seem to be much of a matchup consideration nearly as much as last format

Also I would highly recommend u drop dazzling for protect if ur running sash flutter

Ok

💀

[fresh flicker]

Ye it looks weird-

Although those two are different species technical.

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/921b3866992f0a1b

havent played in a while lol so Idk the meta but the team is working

any tips to improve it

[bold creek]

Calyrex Shadow Calyrex Shadow horse ice horse

[unkempt anvil]

Gotcha

Which one do you think is more suitable for my team?

[primal osprey]

https://pokepast.es/a62411a36f54d5f1 I want to make a team strat based on dragon cheer. Who could be replaced for a back up dragon?

[wispy solar]

Ur mixing like 3 different team archetypes in one team

As someone who used whims-ape early in reg f, it’s good until u see indeedee, which coincidentally is very high in usage with caly-s psyspam

I would capitalize on ur kyruem

Kyruem-W is actually a soild threat now

I would go for LO on kyruem, Tera fire

Go with blizzard freeze-dry Draco protect

Icy wind on A-tails over blizzard

And aurora veil instead of protect

And get rid of pinch berry for light clay or sash depending on how fast paced you want the team to be

Chi yu is obsolete here as well

In my opinion, get rid of the last four entirely and start from scratch

A good baseline would be tornadus w/ snowscape, incineroar, rilla and water ogerpon

Without tornadus to reset weather, that team will get entirely fucked up by kyorge

Even if ur hitting with kyruem freeze dry, it will not pick up the ko, or even 2hko if Kyogre is av

Which a lot are

[wispy solar]

Bolt

100%

Dracos will ignore the stat drop and syngergize well

[primal osprey]

and who should I replace?

[wispy solar]

Archaludon 100%

Archaludon without rain is just...

Not great

At all

And it doesnt really make sense ur using Koraidon but Iron jugulis

Just use AV miradon and then sash jugulis

[bold creek]

You think I should play a balance or offensive

[wispy solar]

Depends on u

[bold creek]

I like Kryeum alot

[wispy solar]

That could work well

[bold creek]

I have seen an assault vest Set I wanted to try

[wispy solar]

U can keep torn definetly as well as incin

[bold creek]

So probs I will have A9 w helping hand auroura vein

[wispy solar]

Both are good partners

[wispy solar]

That sounds good 👍

[bold creek]

So Kyreum A9 Tornadus?

[wispy solar]

Yea

And incin

[bold creek]

Disgusting

I hate Incin lol

Its too good

Also u think I should have Tailwind on this team?

[wispy solar]

Yea

With tornadus

Me two

[bold creek]

Sorry that was my friend

[wispy solar]

Tell yo friend im gay too

[bold creek]

Real guy

[bold creek]

snowscape tornadus⁉️🙏🙏

[wispy solar]

Yea

Unless u wanna add rilla or something similar to that team, ur match up against Kyogre will be really hard

[bold creek]

thats why I had tera electric lol

[wispy solar]

Yea but u can just use freeze dry

Even covers a tera grass

And then instead either run tera fire or tera ice

To blow everything up

[bold creek]

Oh yeah lol

So Draco meteor Blizzard Freeze dry and tera fire fusion blast

[wispy solar]

Idk if it does but

Does kyruem-w get blue flare?

Or fusion flare

I forgot what its called

The 130bp one

Ok it actually does ge tit

Get it

[bold creek]

Fusion flare lol hase 1000

100

[wispy solar]

So tera fire works very good

[bold creek]

Yeah

[wispy solar]

Oh

[bold creek]

So what else to round core

[wispy solar]

I thought it was 130

Rillaboom works good

[bold creek]

I did chi yu on the team to blow up everything

Probs round out w a water and steel

U think maybe Iron bundle??!

[wispy solar]

Bundle works

[bold creek]

fighting weakness is crazy

and rock⁉️⁉️

[wispy solar]

Something like this can work

[wispy solar]

While yes

Most rock/fighting mons r gonna be physical

Snow gives you that 50% boost to phys def

[bold creek]

Yeah makes sense

[wispy solar]

And combine that with intimidate support

[bold creek]

and intimidate

what item on A9

[wispy solar]

Light clay

[bold creek]

I got On A9 Icy wind helping hand protect auroura veil

Max speed And hp w modest

[wispy solar]

U can prob get rid of icy wind for blizzard

[bold creek]

probably

[wispy solar]

Since u got enough speed control now

[bold creek]

Yeah

[wispy solar]

If u want

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 84 HP / 132 Def / 84 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Aurora Veil
• Blizzard
• Protect
• Helping Hand

[bold creek]

this is good

what bout tornadus then?

Personally do

[wispy solar]

I think sash is good on it

So just max max

timid

Tornadus @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Snowscape
• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Protect

[bold creek]

Hmm

yeah

[wispy solar]

Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 204 HP / 36 Atk / 108 Def / 156 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature

• Fake Out
• Flare Blitz
• Knock Off
• Parting Shot

Ill just put it in a paste

And u just tweak whatever

[bold creek]

Yeah

[wispy solar]

https://pokepast.es/66c7a1b2e1d3cf8e

Kyruem ev'ed to outspeed max speed flutter at -1

[bold creek]

Hmm

[wispy solar]

I think personally rillaboom with AV is better

And then just have Kyruem with LO

It hits stupidly hard

[bold creek]

Hmm

ight

[wispy solar]

Tera Ice one shots everything under the sun

Flutter man gets ohkoed

Ohkos assault vest groudon

[bold creek]

pretty funny Kyureum is

[wispy solar]

Over 50% chance to ohkos calyrex-shadow

[bold creek]

LOL

funny

why the fuck does calyrex have 100HP and 100SpD

[lost phoenix]

just wait until

[bold creek]

WHAT The fuk

[lost phoenix]

calyrex ice :3

[bold creek]

legendaries broken

[wild sinew]

Primarily for Zacian

And Amoonguss is still relevant, broken on and against Caly I stuff at least, team should avoid auto losing to it

[wild sinew]

I feel like team is a bit passive and doesn't synergise well enough with Aurora Veil and Kyurem W. Going for Pokemon like Urshifu, Ogerpon-W, Flutter Mane, Raging Bolt etc to maximise the value you're getting from Veil is ideal. Freeze-Dry is also better than Tera Blast Electric, still hits Waters and you already hit Flying types.

[wild sinew]

Dragon Cheer is not great but ideally build a Miraidon team instead

[wild sinew]

Bundle just kinda sucks and Waterpon/Urshifu is more appealing if you go for this, better Pokemon overall, take better advantage of Tailwind, and can support Kyu W in a way.

If you aren't AV I really like Specs Kyurem

Articuno with double the SpA stat

252+ SpA Choice Specs Turboblaze Kyurem-White Helping Hand Blizzard vs. 236 HP / 76+ SpD Incineroar: 96-114 (48 - 57%) -- 89.8% chance to 2HKO

[native knoll]

https://pokepast.es/b01ddaf26502e628

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[wild sinew]

Tbh

No complaints, this is good

You could make the Urshifu a bit bulkier with 60/20/20 for Grassy Glide and Water Spout if you want but Max atk to threaten uninvested Caly S with Tera is also good

[cerulean totem]

urshifu bulk + you have protect on a scarf set, which i wouldn’t reccomend on this team

[native knoll]

wait i have protect?

[cerulean totem]

yeah…

[wild sinew]

Oh shit you do

[native knoll]

lol

[wild sinew]

U turn should be there

[cerulean totem]

i would also reccomend tera steel torn, unless prankster taunt and caly-s are such a problem for you (they shouldn’t be)

[wild sinew]

I'm guessing it's the Tailwind mirror

Your only way to pressure an ohko on opposing Torn is with Pao and Incin is a scary mon

[native knoll]

thx for the tips

[clear pike]

so like im on mobile and out of town so idk how to use poke paste so here this is

this team comp seems to be pretty solid for me, but the sets I kinda just took from smogon

so I dont really know exactly what they do and if I could change around the evs

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/d81cc8c2f558843f My friend is wanting to use White Kyurem so i came up with this team with them and i wanted to know what if anything im missing here. I wasnt sure how to insert speed control on this team but i feel like it also might not need it? Also stellar tera on kyurem is so it keeps the ice def boost from snow and still gets a damage boost for all its moves.

[cosmic ferry]

https://pokepast.es/6ee86357bb8ed3d3 so I put together this bulky koraidon team. I’ve been playing around with different comps but came to this for the moment. The one thing that I worry about is not having much speed control. So any suggestions are more than welcome!

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[wild sinew]

Can go 2 different ways

Forgoing Tailwind with Scarf Urshifu and Dragonite Chien Pao over Incineroar and Tornadus

Or going for a more offensive Pokemon like Archaludon, Landorus, Raging Bolt etc in the Amoonguss slot

[wild sinew]

Because you're Choice Specs you'll only get the boost for a move one time, so just go Tera Ice for a similar concept. Freeze Dry is better than Fusion Flare as Earth Power already hits Steels, you want something to more reliably threaten Water types.

Articuno is kind of just a downgraded Kyurem-W here and better off as something like Landorus for the Offensive synergy, Threatening Fires and Steels allowing you to click Blizzard and hit think.

I do think Focus Sash Urshifu is still kinda better here, or if you want a bulkier Pokemon, Raging Bolt. Aurora Veil lets you take on threats without the need to match them in speed.

[topaz edge]

Lando-I or T? I could see either or being useful.

[wild sinew]

Landorus-I sorry

[topaz edge]

Got it thanks!

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/4c853b12a501806c And ive made a sun team for myself with groudon and lots of paradox mon + incin and waterpon sup

[wild sinew]

Groudon is so fat Heat Crash is almost always doing more than Fire Punch. And Rock Slide isn't important enough to drop Protect.

I'd honestly look at Rillaboom in the Roaring Moon slot for Fake Out and more consistent Miraidon matchup. Farigiraf is also nice for a Trick Room mode to help Groudon take on faster teams really well. If sun is up Moon doesn't even proc Booster Energy so it requires specific positioning and a lot of support to take the spotlight. Pokemon that function as set up win conditions are generally worse in restricted formats where the big bad legendary is the Pokemon in the centre.

Hearthflame is broken in Sun so I'd recommend it over Waterpon too, especially if you choose to go Helping Hand Incineroar.

[topaz edge]

Ive heard a few times heat crash becomes inconsistent against certain teams so thats why i went fire punch would swapping rilla in for moon and then i guess idk what id swap the giraffe in for.

[wild sinew]

It's either Rillaboom or Farigiraf in that slot. Low BP Heat Crash is usually vs Zacian which you Precipice Blade anyway

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/c4013a2fc12b6c9e should i drop gholdengo for something if so for what

[topaz edge]

Gotcha, I think giraffe provides more then rilla would long term.

[wild sinew]

Scarf Urshifu-R.

Would definitely recommend Protect Amoonguss as you break the rare Dozo.

Otherwise this is good

[clear pike]

wait actually thank you so much

I didnt realize archaludon had a rain team set

electro shot with torn works well

W mans

[narrow dock]

https://pokepast.es/e8d5fcb1851d33a1 hows this snow team

[wild sinew]

I feel like you're trying to copy older Articuno which doesn't work as well because Kyurem doesn't have Snow Cloak, Choice Specs or Assault Vest are much more effective items.

Whimsicott just kind of doesn't synergise with the Snow core and something to not get bullied by Zacian like Incineroar or Urshifu-R + Ogerpon-H in the Ogerpon-W works great here.

Otherwise team looks great

[primal osprey]

How's this?? https://pokepast.es/3a90c0fca12bd275

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/51ed76ecbcc02fb4 something fun

[wild sinew]

One of Bundle/Torn is better off as Ogrepon Hearthflame to threaten Rillaboom and take advantage of Groudon. Double speed control is unnecessary

[wild sinew]

Grassy Seed :

Sitrus Berry is preferable on Incineroar for the easier proc and avoiding crucial 2HKOs.

Extrasensory doesn't exactly hit anything noteworthy and is better off as Earth Power for the big single target damage.

Flutter Mane is kind of outclassed by Tornadus and Farigiraf as speed control, as Kyogre needs the more immidiete speed and ability to reset rain vs Koraidon/Groudon.

Can even use both by replacing one of Ogerpon-W or Incineroar.

[hasty owl]

Lando’s supposed to be sludge bomb not wave

[wild sinew]

That too, hitting your partner is bad

[hallow ether]

wrong move mb

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/448f873a4794c71f

now?

[wild sinew]

Mystic Water is optimal but lefties is probably okay

Flutter Mane should be Ogerpon-W or a Farigiraf, my bad if it was misleading.

[hallow ether]

i wanna use lefties + grassy terrain so that water spout can stay high dmg

https://pokepast.es/a4c0186b742c011a

this?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

[hallow ether]

aight tysm

[ornate cloak]

Calyrex-Ice Trickroom:

https://pokepast.es/7c66621b879e4101

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[austere wasp]

i like it

i think amoonguss can be switfched to rillaboom but its also ok

[wild sinew]

Tera Blast isn't great, High Horsepower is needed so you can hit Fire- and Water-types, especially Incineroar.

Not the biggest fan of Double Grass redirection here, one of them can become Rillaboom or a faster threat like Urshifu or Flutter Mane which function outside of Trick Room

[ornate cloak]

So should I replace Ogerpon for Speed booster Flutter Mane

And Tera Fairy Caly-,Ice with High Horsepower

Cause I like Amoonguss with spore in tr

https://pokepast.es/edc7147a23db8d02

Improved team

[wild sinew]

I think SpA Booster is more appropriate

Or Specs

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/43ebb2398269251c

urshifu rapid strike choice scarf with rain and OHKO both calrex

surf kyogre with follow me ogerpon

tornadus and lando can use rain to hit storms

and rillabloom for recovery with leftovers and fake out support

[wild sinew]

You want Tera Grass Kyogre on this composition to not auto lose to Rillaboom, Raging Bolt, and Ogerpon-W.

Raging Bolt or Farigiraf (you can keep Tera Water with this one.) are better than Urshifu here, you don't need triple water types.

[hallow ether]

ok

[hallow ether]

then which pokemon would counter calyrex

[wild sinew]

Farigiraf and Tera Wellspring do that fine

If you want, running AV Raging Bolt with Snarl and putting Miracle Seed on Rillaboom is also an option

[sacred path]

Hard check to Miraidon?

Redirects all electric and can 70% live a life orbed draco with this spread

[wild sinew]

This is better suited for one of the comp general channels

But no, not worth it

[sacred path]

F

[sacred path]

I like that meow has fake out and T-wave

[plush bluff]

https://pokepast.es/6f7c2948f48cae62 is their ways to improve this

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[wild sinew]

The idea in general doesn't work

Caly I prefers Farigiraf and Porygon2 a lot more than Indeedee and those two don't run these compositions

[sacred path]

I’ve been seeing a lot of indeedee

Makes sense with its priority protection

[split matrix]

terapagos kinda broken

[wispy solar]

There’s really no reason to run the last two mons here

U would 100% be better off just running two versatile mons in those slots

Like incin and amoongus

Amoongus caly ice is a stupid good pair

And run clear amulet on caly

The thing is already bulky as hell, there’s no reason to keep boosting its defenses

[wispy solar]

Also im looking at it now

Theres so many things that r wrong with the team

Booster speed flutter mane without protect, its tera ghost and its just max max

Calyrex has speed investment when its supposed to be in TR

Urshifu has detect when its scarfed

Lilligant is sash but u have defensive investment

[teal jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/ebc5f728ede12858
Posting specifically for critique

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[wispy solar]

Valiant is ass

Bundle should be sash icy wind

And theres really not much thats benefitting alot from tornadus

[teal jacinth]

better?

[wispy solar]

Go Tera grass on hands

Steel doesn’t really do much that grass won’t

Steel at least lets you take an earth power from lando

Still resists mirroring miraidon

And still take flutters hits fine

And ur better into groudon

Since heat crash won’t do much since hands is big

[wild sinew]

Nah Valiant is real on Miraidon

Wide Guard + Encore helps with certain matchups

[wispy solar]

If u rly wanna run Val

Then u gotta go sash

And just go booster speed

For fast encores ig

If u want a sash encore fairy then just run whims tho

Tailwind + ton of support options r better than just wide guard imo

[wild sinew]

Set-up Miraidon is not great, If Rillaboom comes in and you click Calm Mind, you're doing less damage than if you just attacked without Rillaboom coming in, so a Miraidon that isn't afraid to pivot is very important. Damage boosting item ideally.

Iron Valiant is better off as Focus Sash supportive set

Iron Bundle looks like it doesn't mix well with Waterpon, Might as well drop both Iron Bundle and Tornadus in favour of Cloak Iron Jugulis.

Last slot can be many things, can look into Flutter Mane for the Sun matchup, or into Cresselia/Bronzong for the Ice rider matchup.

You already have like 3 speed control options to choose from on Miraidon

And non Prankster Encore can be pretty epic for Incin

[ember spire]

https://pokepast.es/c4c8cb2c322e3922
neat zamazenta team i cooked up. goltres is a fire anti meta pick for calyrex shadow and kyoger taking like 70 from tera water water spout with mystic water

idk why my goltres took that from a kyogre i just did the calc and apparently it does like 200

it was level 100 into 50

that would do it

252+ SpA Mystic Water Tera Water Kyogre Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 228+ SpD Moltres-Galar in Rain: 178-210 (90.3 - 106.5%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

[wild sinew]

There are just better Snarl users than Goltress, Booster Energy Gouging Fire and going Ting-Lu > Incineroar looks strong. Allows you to not stack fires and patch up Zama on the special side as it Iron Defenses on the rest. 2 Ghost resists is always appreciated too

Tera Water is way better for Zama for the Fire resist, esp when you have Rillaboom and Follow Me Waterpon for Amoonguss. Would also recommend Wide Guard over Protect for the plethora of spread moves in the format.

[ember spire]

k

[ember spire]

what item for flutter/gouging as that doubles booster energy

sash?

[wild sinew]

Oh right

Pixie Plate or Focus Sash

[ember spire]

not seeing a sample flutter in the sample sets, you have one you can send my way

with sash specifically, i have a fairy feather one

[wild sinew]

Pixie is the same as SpA Booster Energy
Focus Sash is 252/252 with 3 of Moonblast, Dazzling Gleam, Icy Wind, and Shadow Ball + Protect

[ember spire]

https://pokepast.es/ffc37f48e2b2c89d
v2

[wild sinew]

Snarl and Flare Blitz > Breaking Swipe and Heat Crash on Gouging Fire

[ember spire]

without intimidate on my team i would imagine breaking is better

is it not worth it with all the amulets and not having kock off for em

also pretend i fixed tera types

[cerulean totem]

you have enough physical bulk and you don’t want to rely solely on ting lu for spatk lowering

it’s also goated into caly-s

[plush bluff]

better?

[wispy solar]

Yea

[dawn elm]

Idgdjdjgdjdhdhdudjdhfhidjdhdvdvdh. That’s why your not a sandwich

[wild sinew]

Invest a little bit of bulk onto Flutter Mane, look at Smogon Strategy Dex if you don't have an EV spread.

Calyrex-Ice prefers a defensive Tera like Fire or Water

Amoonguss gains more value from Rocky Helmet, you have two Fire resists you can pivot into and are almost never OHKOd by them anyway.

Careful Incineroar is preferable to take hits better

Otherwise looks fine

[plush bluff]

Is this a okay tea I'm just going to give to my brother

[distant stump]

No not really, but if its something for your brother to have fun with then give him whatever

As long as you think he will like it

[hot wren]

Mewtwo as a restricted is completely outclassed by Calyrex-Shadow, you're better off using a specs Calyrex-Shadow of astral barrage / Psyshock / Tera Blast (fighting) / Draining Kiss, instead of Mewtwo.

Dragapult and Regieleki don't really work in the regulation G metagame, since you're team is psyspam I'd swap those out for a focus sash urshifu-single strike, and some sort of speed control like Tornadus with tailwind.

Incineroar's item should definitely be sitrus berry, and use Knock Off over Darkest Lariat since the damage is relatively the same except Knock Off has further utility. Indeedee's item should be Rocky Helmet to break focus sashes most notably on urshifu dark, along with general helmet damage that can help give astral barrage those gauranteed OHKO's when using follow me.

Horn Leech Wood Hammer both on Ogerpon is kinda wasting moveslots, plus ogerpon prefers the logevity so I'd drop Wood Hammer for further disruption of Follow Me.

https://pokepast.es/2a747b2dd0dd3052 here are the two sets for urshifu-single-strike, and Tornadus I'd use. Rain Dance may not seem very helpful but your team having the sole fire resist of Incineroar is giving me anxiety 💀 and that moveslot specifically isn't a very big deal I don't think. Having the ability to half Chi-Yu heat wave damage, and really annoy Koraidon is super clutch given the rough matchup into them.

[distant stump]

Scarf Urshifu-W is fine instead of Urshifu-S, you could also add Mienshao with focus sash wide guard/fakeout/feint/close combat

[wild sinew]

^

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/d820e52c77a1fa4c

eh?

[wild sinew]

Snarl and Flare Blitz > Breaking Swipe Heat Crash. Meta is more specially orientated and having a z Caly S, Terapagos, and Miraidon check is pretty big. Flare Blitz is important to threaten opposing Zacian and restricteds in general with how fat they are.

Invest in bulk for Ogerpon-W so you can reliably follow me

Poison and Steel are generally more consistent Landorus Tera types, Fire keeps the water weakness.

Urshifu R is weird on this team overlapping with Wellspring. Rillaboom is a great pick for Fake Out pressure and pivot synergy with Gouging Fire and Ogerpon-W. Can not go wrong with an extra Miraidon check. Chien-Pao is also a fantastic option if you want to go all in on the offensive, making it very hard for Pokemon to take on Zacian. Works pretty well vs Miraidon and Groudon.

[hallow ether]

ic

ok thanks

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/34b1679a51eadf02

throat chop for farigiraf

[lost phoenix]

i think id rather use sacred or lash out for kingambit n incineroar

[vale thorn]

https://pokepast.es/690cfaf3b4348b48
Any critiques for this team? I mainly need replacements for raging bolt, a better set for landorous, and critiques on flutter (I know I have protect on flutter I forgot to change it when I went to specs)

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[austere wasp]

not a fan of flame orb fling , the lack of protect is kind of bad and risky otherwise looks solid

would switch fling>protect + life orb for the lando I thats about it

[wild sinew]

Lash Out is the better dark type move yeah

[wild sinew]

Heat Rock isn't worth it with how fast paced vgc is, and Clear Amulet to help vs Incineroar is invaluable on Swords Dance sets. Solar Beam doesn't have enough value when you already have partners and Protect provides too much flexibility to miss out on.

Idk what Lando does here? It takes the Life Orb away from Walking Wake when you use ideal sets and doubles on Ground-types, I'd look into something like Incineroar or Kingambit to not get 4-0d by Caly-Ice.

With Lando gone, Life Orb and Flamethrower are optimal on Walking Wake for damage outside of sun.

Taunt in the last move for Flutter Mane is also best here to try and prevent Caly-I Trick Room.

Miracle Seed is the better item on Rillaboom, with Protect over Knock Off. Go for way more bulk, you don't really need the speed when you're often bulking through hits or using priority.

[wispy solar]

No natures (idk if that’s on purpose), evs are incorrect numbers, 42 doesn’t work and is wasting evs, rillaboom item is wacky, just go for av or sitrus, go clear amulet on groudon, and drop solar beam

same thing with lando like other guy said

just go life orb sheer force

also protect choice specs is probably not the best idea ☠️

if u want to keep bolt with av, go for snarl over weather ball

And thunderclap over volt

[wispy solar]

https://pokepast.es/4822d3497ffde934

small thing but should i go scarf instead of sash shifu

[wild sinew]

No Wide Guard Lunala?

Sash/Mystic Water is better than Scarf here

[wispy solar]

I was contimplating WG over tailwind on here but i felt like i had many options already to deal with caly-s

the team doesn't have a strict trickroom mode, more of a way to control the pace

overall its mostly just a balance approach so i dont have just one strict gameplan regarding tr or tw, so kinda just felt like both can work

only other mon i feel like wide guard could justify itself is maybe specs dazzling from flutter

but even then incin/tera fire rillaboom take it easily

and threaten ohkos with flare/wood hammer

oh glacial lance

i lowk forgot bout that

i mean the aforementioned things also work well against caly-i

[wild sinew]

Terapagos is a pretty big problem

Kyogre kind of

You only have one Ghost resist so wouldn't say it's a good matchup

[wispy solar]

You do give a point with terapagos

Imma drop twind then

[wild sinew]

Btw run Tera Water Urshifu since you're Focus Sash anyway

[wispy solar]

U right

Also the paste a lil wrong

Nala is supposed to normal tera

Not fairy

If that changes anything

[red brook]

https://pokepast.es/e51d36f7f4ef5309

[pseudo current]

Reg G https://pokepast.es/5c5f7ab420755726

would cress be better that sinistcha??

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately you're trying to use Regigigas, Lucario, and Zangoose

[wild sinew]

It would yes

Not a big fan of Tornadus Urshifu here though

Wellspring + Gouging Fire/Incineroar looks appealing

I'd also put Wide Guard on Zamazenta, makes it easier to get up tr and handles certain problem Pokemon. You don't exactly need Protect with how difficult it is to threaten

[wanton abyss]

I don’t hate Sinistcha here, I just don’t know how you don’t auto lose to Caly I

[wild sinew]

By the epic Wide Guard and more consistent mon that can reverse Trick Room

[wispy solar]

I think sinistcha can work actually surprisingly well in this format

But you really need to capatilize on it

Also flutter mane being ur trick room un-setter is prolly not gonna be very useful

When calyrex-i, the most used trick room setter/user just will blow up flutter anyways

This might be a hot take

But caly-i is showing itself to be even stronger than caly-s

Clear amulet + defensive Tera make it legit impossible to take out in a single turn

And intimidate was one of the only ways to slow it down

Burns not even anymore since most run Tera fire

[unkempt yacht]

https://pokepast.es/0c11f1aa3808103b first draft at a mira team any tips

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[unkempt yacht]

Kinda weak to cally s

Was kinda looking for a cally counter that does good vs ground moves

Maybe king gambit over lando t

[wild sinew]

Bundle can be an Icy Wind Wide Guard Iron Valiant to help with Caly-S, and Lando T can equip Crunch over Rock Slide for the same reason.

[unkempt yacht]

This is what i got rn https://pokepast.es/42a6c6242899ed62

I prob need a ground resist right

[wild sinew]

Yh Lando T is good in the Kingambit slot

[unkempt yacht]

So scarf lando with st, cruch, tera flying tera blast, u turn over gambits good?

It also feels like i just loose to other mira teams

Because i cant do anything after mira tera fairyes

[unkempt yacht]

What about offensive farig?

[wild sinew]

Think support is better here

[wild sinew]

Yes

[unkempt yacht]

Is there anything i can do vs fairy tera

I can only hit for nuetral

Even like heavy slam iron hands is only a 3hko on tera fairy frail mira

[wild sinew]

That's fine

Can get up TR or Icy Wind, Ivy Cudgel, Electro Drift,

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/3c5d86445124f7dc not sure if the team is as good as it could be

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[austere wasp]

heat rock is really not needed

would prefer gouging in booster and flutter mane in else where

if you still want to use booster

[wild sinew]

Heat Rock isn't great, the only times you lose weather would be vs Tornadus which overrides it anyway. Clear Amulet for Incineroar, Loaded Dice Scale Shot, Assault Vest, Choice Scarf, and Choice Band are sets you want to look at instead. Make Koraidon Tera Fire for boosted Flare Blitz and Fairy resist.

Flutter Mane wants the Focus Sash here to more reliably Icy Wind, you get the boost from sun anyway.

Gouging Fire kind of adds another Dragon type and makes it difficult for you to position, Ogrepon-H is preferable for a Fairy resist and Spore immunity.

Also use the sliders to not waste EVs.

[sleek laurel]

https://pokepast.es/0bf245559ab9b98f

Reg G trick room

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[wild sinew]

Chople Berry doesn't help vs much, Urshifu-R would rather Surging Strikes you and Mienshao is paired with Caly-S which shuts it down with Unnerve, your best course of action is probably using Safety Goggles/Sitrus Berry and replacing one of your Trick Room setters for a Flutter Mane. Having a fast mode is one of the best things Trick Room could ask for.

On the fast mode, Scarf Urshifu is a great Pokemon in the Iron Hands slot so your entire team doesn't get worn down by Incineroar.

Calyrex-Ice needs Clear Anulet for Incineroar, Weakness Policy is inconsistent especially in Open Team Sheets and makes Caly-I so much easier to pivot around.

[sleek laurel]

Gotcha

Thanks

Rest is fine

?

[wild sinew]

Yeah rest is good

[sleek laurel]

Ty

What flutter btw?

Set

[wild sinew]

Booster speed Icy Wind is good

[sleek laurel]

Bet thanks

[woeful parrot]

https://pokepast.es/f5571dd4bc0ef5d4

[wispy solar]

https://tenor.com/view/archaludon-flutter-mane-vgc-pokemon-showdown-ohko-gif-3076652404584947337

[wispy solar]

wtf is dugtrio doing here ☠️

[woeful parrot]

Immune to sludge wave and discharge from moth

[wispy solar]

or just use iron treads ... ?

its literally better in every single aspect than a dugtrio 💀

[wanton abyss]

as an arch player I laughed harder than I should have

[wispy solar]

Iron Treads @ Focus Sash
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• High Horsepower
• Heavy Slam
• Endeavor
• Protect

here dawg

easily ohkos flutter

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/442369150bddef6b do yall have anything better to run in ghold slot or a better ghold spread?

I dont use specs ghold ever

[wispy solar]

U can try trick nasty plot with scarf

[wanton abyss]

Thanks for sharing! Make that an Incineroar, you don’t need the extra special damage

[wispy solar]

Really good disruptor

[lost phoenix]

With incin it feels like im too weak to calys shao but ill try

[wanton abyss]

I also highly recommend Sub over Earth Power on Lando. Getting up a substitute turns so many matchups favorable in a single turn

[wispy solar]

I mean i feel like p2 is prob one of the best caly-s answers

[lost phoenix]

The issue isnt the calys alone.

[wanton abyss]

Caly Shao can’t do anything into TornOgre protect tailwind

well

that’s not entirely true

[lost phoenix]

I got specs psyshocked into feint too many times

[wispy solar]

oh nvm i didnt realize u meant mienshao

thought u meant something else

speaking of mienshao

[wanton abyss]

Oh the Caly s players getting creative

[wispy solar]

why now are ppl realizing it was actually always pretty good

[lost phoenix]

I was originally running that but ep has been so essential against av and cm bolt both

[wanton abyss]

just don’t miss sandsear

ez

you have the rain

[wispy solar]

i remember running it back in reg d when it dropped and it was suprisingly good

wide guard fake out is a ridiculously good supporting movest

and inner focus on top of that

[wanton abyss]

hitmontop rising from the ashes

[lost phoenix]

Ep does more damage since single target

Is the point

I want to get bolt as low as possible or killed asap

[wispy solar]

lowk bolt started to grown on me

when i first saw it

i thought it was dumb as shit

but overtime

i still think it looks dumb as shit

but i like it that way

its just a funny looking thing that is also really, really good

[vale thorn]

https://pokepast.es/07c042bdc41f090b
Any tips on improving this team?

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wispy solar]

first thing is to actually make incin intimidate 😭

[woeful parrot]

I was using him for helping hand but this makes more sense

[wild sinew]

Iron Valiant should be a support set with Focus Sash. Moves like Encore and Wide Guard to help vs things that threaten Miraidon.

Tornadus is better off as an Iron Jugulis here, the extra Caly S check and non Prankster Taunt is important in a lot of situations.

Incineroar is not an offensive piece, it's far too weak and outclassed by other offensive fires. The reason Incineroar is so good is because of its defensive presence and utility, utilizing Intimidate and Sitrus Berry rather than Charcoal.

Iron Leaves stacks Grass types and doesn't do enough here, just weak to everything. You'd much rather another Caly-I check like Iron Hands, Cresselia, or Bronzong

[vale thorn]

I just hadn't done that yet lol

[topaz edge]

Went with a bit of a different team comp then I normally would but my thought process is that venusaur could be viable again like it was in previous restricted formats. Though I’m willing to swap it to like hearthflame pon if someone has a reason why venu could be bad.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/8f9e71160f8ec583

[drifting onyx]

New [Gen 9] VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Venusaur's main issue is that it doesn't have dynamax anymore to run Life Orb reliably and ignore Fake Out. If you really want sleep powder I recommend Jumpluff which has Tailwind and Encore.

Focus Sash is preferable on Flutter Mane here for the added protect, lets you position Koraidon more reliably.

Walking Wake adds another Fairy weakness with little appealing qualities. Hearthflame is the better Pokemon here with Follow Me and a Fairy resistant sun abuser

[wild sinew]

You want Careful on Incineroar to not ruin your own speed EVs

Urshifu R doubles on water types and is inconsistent without adequate speed control. Tornadus to help the rest of your team is much better.

Consider replacing Farigiraf with Urshifu-S if you want to keep an Urshifu forme, great Gholdengo partner

[distant stump]

I'd recc investing more in special attack and speed on wake, IDM keeping it in, consider swapping venu for H-flame though.

Also