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[wild sinew]

Highly suggest a bulkier Incineroar and Gholdengo

Sinistcha isn't mandatory here, infact your team probably wants Tornadus here as Urshifu-Rapid-Strike strongly demands speed control.

You may want to consider a defensive Tera for Urshifu like Grass for an easier Raging Bolt matchup

[slate echo]

Just curious, what do you think of azu in the current meta. Because from use it feels really solid and over looked.

[wild sinew]

It looks good on paper and has a pretty good meta matchup, however it's just outclassed by Urshifu and Wellspring rn, probably Primarina as a water-fairy. They bring a lot more to the table and it becomes kind of hard to justify Azumarill

[slate echo]

Ok thanks. I just still feel it’s strengths are there but just isn’t explored enough

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/cccba8e96eed67ab

what do yall think?

made it with some help

[wooden shard]

ur chien-pao has no ev's btw

[sleek walrus]

oh

oops sorry

https://pokepast.es/dc5aef7c3ab3b6d9

done!!

[burnt surge]

Why tera dark entei?

Or is it from smogdex?

[sleek walrus]

no reg f

oh

wait

i misread that

idk

[drifting onyx]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/entei/

[burnt surge]

Why is the monke so serious

[sleek walrus]

IDK

oops caps

also

changed entei to grass

dragonite to normal

and urshifu to water

[burnt surge]

I like this team I'm just concerned about Trick Room

(No bias towards Entei whatsoever)

[wooden shard]

ok some changes id recommend
firstly switch ur urshifu to tera water and remove either aqua jet or u-turn for cc (surging strikes and cc are neccesary moves on it)
then use the ev spread of EVs: 44 HP / 156 Atk / 4 Def / 92 SpD / 212 Spe on urshifu ( The SpD investment lets Urshifu always survive a maximum Special Attack Iron Bundle Freeze-Dry and, when Terastallized, a Choice Specs Moonblast from Flutter Mane and The Defense EVs allow Urshifu-R to withstand a Choice Band Normal Tera-boosted Extreme Speed from maximum Attack Adamant Dragonite with Sword of Ruin active)
then id say use tera water amoonguss to help deal with fire types like incineroar and use the spread 244 HP / 180 Def / 84 SpD and bold nature (this is optional but u could also run rocky helmet to help against urshifu)
aqua tail dragonite is a bit uncommon id probably say replace it for aqua jet or aerial ace (another optional change is that maybe run stomping tantrum over earthquake since rillaboom is pretty common)

uhh

why is rillaboom serious nature

u should run adamant

[sleek walrus]

oops

sorry

i forgor lol

[burnt surge]

Monke is srs

[sleek walrus]

ok now i fixed everything

[wooden shard]

i dont even know what entei does tbh
and the pao set is good

[quaint phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/808c28697a4b197d

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[quaint phoenix]

ting lu is the most underrated mon

change my mind

[sleek walrus]

nuh uh

grafaiai plus slaking

is an underrated combo

[wanton abyss]

this is wrong, so so wrong, but keep it in #comp-general if we’re talking about underrated mons

[sleek walrus]

wym

:(

[wanton abyss]

Thanks for sharing the team! I’d recommend Lunar Blessing over Protect on Cress

How often do you feel you’re using the occa berry?

[shy flare]

https://pokepast.es/c2a342e791bd1ae0 I'm trying to play Swampert (but I'm also bad at VGC) so I'd love help

[quaint phoenix]

I did a few testing games

I brought amoongus in 2 of them

the berry got used one time

(and i won that game)

my cress is running lunar blessing from now on

thanks 4 the tipp

[ripe bronze]

https://pokepast.es/db123e1687e2bf3b
I made some changes. I wonder if I should swap either Rain Dance or Taunt for Protect on Tornadus.

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/fac8b9f7b8349576

[drifting onyx]

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[sleek walrus]

this team good?

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately not

I'd have to edit half of the sets and replace the other half of the team, making it basically a new team

[sleek walrus]

ok

you do it then

keep the rain aspect tho pls

🙏

[wild sinew]

I think this is the best way to play rain
https://pokepast.es/dc73ce067bd3c831

[sleek walrus]

tysm!

no swift swim

???

[wild sinew]

Looks good

[wild sinew]

Yeah the swift swimmers aren't good rn

[sleek walrus]

why..?

basculegion is op dude

[wild sinew]

Urshifu is broken
Tailwind and the defensive backbone is enough
Urshifu is broken

You don't want to triple on waters in a format where Amoonguss, Rillaboom, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Iron Hands, and Raging Bolt are all good

[winter gulch]

Basculegion wants Adaptability to get its damage

source: dou (I played in 2 separate suspects to get that thing banned)

[tidal zinc]

Ting-Lu @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Vessel of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Earthquake
• Taunt
• Body Press
• Throat Chop

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 116 HP / 76 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 196 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball
• Dazzling Gleam
• Protect

Dragonite @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 76 HP / 172 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Tera Blast
• Earthquake
• Dragon Dance

Ogerpon @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 100 Def / 12 SpD / 68 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Horn Leech
• Follow Me
• Spiky Shield

Orthworm @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Earth Eater
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 212 HP / 4 Atk / 36 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Heavy Slam
• Body Press
• Iron Defense
• Shed Tail

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Stellar
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Crash
• Sucker Punch
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

does anyone have any suggestion? this teams for vgc regulation f

[burnt surge]

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[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/892affe7b26f50fb questions comments concerns

[topaz mountain]

https://pokepast.es/355f442110c97ed3

[wild sinew]

First - you'll want to invest in 3 or 5 stats at level 50, since all of them are invested into 4 stats, you're wasting EVs on all your pokemon, building at level 50 makes it easier because the slider won't let you waste EVs. Or you could look at the Strategy Dex

The Incineroar set is questionable, Covert Cloak is unnecessary and has niche effects at best, Sitrus Berry or Safety Goggles are the more consistent items. Sitrus Incineroar wants Tera Grass, while Goggles Incineroar wants Water, Fairy, or Poison. You should avoid going Bug.

Archaludon is pretty poor on Tornadus rain as you can't consistently get it up, Gholdengo is a more reliable steel, Landorus I and Chien Pao are also excellent options in this slot.

I think these teams need Rillaboom, Grass types are particular fantastic when you already have a Fire and Water type, along with rain. Over Raging Bolt or Flutter Mane ideally, though I recommend replacing Bolt

If you choose to keep Flutter Mane, it needs to drop the speed for bulk, as living certain attacks are crucial for it.

[wild sinew]

I'll let you know Mandibuzz is unviable, but I'm also not sure where this team is going

[topaz mountain]

balanced offense

but how is mandi not viable

[burnt surge]

Flutter Mane

It can take hits but doesn't really do much damage in return

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2b64c9756bfac1a0

[topaz mountain]

Raging Bolt
Iron Hands
Flutter
Primarina
Chien Pao
Thundurus

Those are the only things at the mind that threaten Mandi

[burnt surge]

pretty good list tbh

[sand minnow]

Mandibuzz is vgc viable?

I feel like I'm gonna need a replacement for Amoonguss because the way my team is based around is sheer offense

https://pokepast.es/d464ffd47f5cd89b So this is my first time making a competitively viable team. I will admit out the gate that these consist of pokemon that I primarily enjoy, so if some are just not viable I am willing to make changes where needed. Trying it out ive had mixed results, mostly meaning I have a >50% win rate so far.

[pulsar trout]

no

[sand minnow]

Also, I swapped Amoonguss with Iron Hands because I can't sweep through teams with Amoonguss

[tidal zinc]

but amoungus

[wild sinew]

Too passive, only puts pressure on the field through Toxic which is why too slow when most of your games are only going up to 8 turns

[digital dock]

https://pokepast.es/56e6458d6f1a616c this is my first time actually building my own team and playing with it on showdown. I have very little experience playing competitively and this is my first original team idea, no need to go easy on me tho. I’m posting this to help myself learn. I hope this is ok but I’m going to type out my thought process on each mon so I apologize if it’s too long and if I ramble 😅

• hitmontop: I added this Mon to be an incineroar check and I like its utility in general with access to ice spinner for indeedee f or grass types etc. 252 atk adamant close combat does 81.1-96% to 92 def impish incin so I’m hoping with a rilaboom fakeout followed by cc it can take out an incin turn 1 if I get high enough damage roll
• Raging bolt: I’ve found is very hard to kill especially with max hp/def. When I can get a calm mind off it usually survives awhile for me. I have this mon for rapid strike urshi check but most importantly my main damage dealer. And defensively it resists a lot of stuff I feel
• Whimsicott: I just think whim is a very good mon with prankster, especially when running encore. I had a hard time not adding them to the team. I like fake tears to help my raging bolt one shot things but I feel like it’s somewhat situational? Maybe unecessary? Again I’m new to this so I’m not sure lol also I have dark Tera to avoid being taunted by say tornadus when trying to set up fake tears. I figured it would save me having to taunt another mon trying to taunt me. I don’t know if I’d ever click Tera on this Mon anyway but it was an idea I had
• Talonflame is my check to any whimsicotts I come across (hopefully)

• metagross: this mon and rilaboom im unsure about. I haven’t put a ton of thought into them yet, I kinda just threw them after my original 4 were crafted. I want metagross to be a flutter check but I honestly haven’t done the calculations yet
• Rilaboom: I mainly have this for fakeout pivots and for grassy terrain to heal my raging bolt

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[pulsar trout]

torn > talonflame, bleakwind storm ohkos whims (given whims doesnt have sash) and talonflame cant do what it wants if its faked out

[wooden shard]

https://pokepast.es/022e62cae73ce57f
tried building around beat up + stamina think the team is alright but might want a auto way to setup rain

[spiral shale]

no electro shot feels like a waste on tornshifu rain

[wooden shard]

hm yea probably but it feels inconsistent to me

i think i could go av on arch

on run it over protect

[spiral shale]

yeah i like that

you have pollen puff amoonguss

[wooden shard]

https://pokepast.es/52cee80149f7fc88 what about this now:?

[spiral shale]

Tornadus @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 92 Def / 4 SpA / 132 SpD / 28 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Bleakwind Storm
• Tailwind
• Taunt
• Rain Dance

[wild sinew]

Fine except for MausApe
Fun but bad

[wooden shard]

i will make mausape work somehow..

[burnt surge]

Does Maus normally not run an attacking move?

[wild sinew]

Usually Super Fang when it was usable (which was like pre home..)

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2b64c9756bfac1a0 I need help figuring out what I'm supposed to do here

[wild sinew]

What you need to do its Replace Wellspring for one of Iron Hands, Raging Bolt, or Landorus!

[valid mesa]

Also replace Protect on Flutter, likely Thunderbolt here. I prefer Clear Smog Amoonguss, means going Protect-less but it's mostly preference

[sand minnow]

I feel like Amoonguss should be going instead of Wellspring

[wild sinew]

Not big on Wellspring Urshifu

And overall less synergy with the pivot nature of the team

[chilly jasper]

Listen Leo I have a big favor to ask

https://pokepast.es/cbc7733791b3c482

Sun hyper offense with nine tails over torkoal to utilize tailwind

[wild sinew]

Best way to fix is ||to scrap||

[chilly jasper]

I don't want to change mons, help me fix spreads pleaseeee

[wild sinew]

I am not the person for that unfortunately

[chilly jasper]

Oh really?

Whenever I have anything vgc related I always grab you haha

[wild sinew]

Aha
Just big hater on suboptimal stuffs

[chilly jasper]

I play showdown for fun

I use a lot of different stuff

I play on cart seriously

I use my real team

I'm running that pelliper rain team if you've seen it

[wild sinew]

I have

[chilly jasper]

It's pretty decent, though a lot of the time you are fighting to keep your weather up

[midnight ember]

https://pokepast.es/f718362c521de5c0 reg f team

is there any issues

[sand minnow]

I guess I've been winning without using Wellspring but what does Amoonguss bring to the table?

[midnight ember]

regenerator, spore, pollen puff, follow me

[sand minnow]

Okay, does that mean hes a lead?

[midnight ember]

yea

possibly

[sand minnow]

I would like to know what others from my team are good leads

[midnight ember]

youre talking about this right?

amongus next to urshifu or incineroar is nice

or incineroar and urshifu

you should get another form of speed control

any tailwind user

[sand minnow]

The set for Reg F doesnt have Follow Me

[midnight ember]

nono

rage powder

its just kinda the same i js said follow me

https://pokepast.es/f718362c521de5c0 is there any big mistake i made with evs or anything?

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[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/351fbb5746abde69 Is this team okay?

[midnight ember]

you got protect on a specs mon

flutter

you can go icy wind for speed control

[sand minnow]

Okay

[sand minnow]

I dont have any mons with tailwind

[midnight ember]

i meant as in get one

[sand minnow]

I lose as Urshifu as my lead

[midnight ember]

you gotta look what he might lead and vary based on that

incineroar amonguss lead for example

[sand minnow]

For some reason, I keep on losing

[sand minnow]

Do you know what are good combos?

[midnight ember]

as i said amongus incineroar, iron hands flutter

[digital dock]

Oh wow idk why I didn’t think about that. Thank you

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/5cdd2aaccefa2162

Incineroar is not the only fire type

[wanton abyss]

I brought Sub Magma Storm to the last Reg E event in Chicagoland. Just run flash cannon.

[balmy valley]

its been oddly good this reg though idk

might not be high enough where it matters

[wanton abyss]

Magma Storm Tran is the goat don’t get me wrong

It’s just way harder to get a sub up

[balmy valley]

oh no yeah fs
that slot is just a dead slot most games

but idk what to replace it with

[wanton abyss]

flash cannon or heat wave

or taunt if you have nowhere else to squeeze it

[candid kiln]

hey what do ya'll think of this team for regulation f? https://pokepast.es/22b09b4b4963b253

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[topaz edge]

Made up a sand team for reg F. Mainly guessed on EV's and Teras so id appreciate any input on changing those: https://pokepast.es/bb82895407001675

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/1da9fa5ca862541d

i need ideas for how to make this better

i considered using ttar, flutter, entai, and wicked blow urshi but im not sure if they fit here, any suggestions?

[pulsar trout]

3 move suicune is nuts

[wild sinew]

Team is trying to mix Hyper Offence and Balance into one, you'll face issues due to it.

[wild sinew]

An answer to Scarf Urshifu, protecting half your team, Spore is very strong, especially when you have Knock Off, pivoting with Incineroar gives it health through Regenerator.

[wild sinew]

Teams great, Icy Wind on Flutter Mane over Protect and Tera Grass Iron Hands are ideal here, for Landorus-I and Rillaboom respectively, as they give you big issues.

[wild sinew]

I can see a core here, would recommend Choice Band Dragonite or Scarf Galarian Zapdos over Iron Boulder, better Chien-Pao partners that don't bring as poor of a meta matchup.

Psychic Noise is preferable on Farigiraf

Kingambit is better off as a more immidiete Trick room sweeper like Ursaluna-Bloodmoon to actually have a trick room mode.

[wild sinew]

Sand unfortunately doesn't work

[wild sinew]

What are you trying to build around here

[covert marsh]

Is this a good Blastoise @ build? Assault Vest Modest Nature Ability: Rain Dish EVs: 148 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe

Water Spout
Ice Beam
Dark Pulse
Fake Out

[wild sinew]

Hard to say it's good because Blastoise is bad

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/3c7581eeec90085e

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Make Gouging Fire a Landorus or Chien-Pao for a better Lando matchup, doubling on fires is generally not a great idea and the team composition looks too pivot heavy to work as Sun HO.

Move hp from Iron Hands to SpD to maximise value from Assualt Vest.

Flutter Mane needs bulk, and either protect or equip it with a Choice Specs.

I think replacing Whimsicott with Amoonguss and making Urshifu Choice Scarf gives the team a clearer structure, pushing into one instead of trying to mix Hyper Offence and Balance.

[hybrid summit]

Thanks! I mainly wanted to build something around Gouging Fire, but I can understand not wanting to double up too much on fires. Whimsicott I added mainly for speed control (and sunny day more to block others' weather than as a primary game plan), won't I lack speed control if I replace it with amoonguss?

[midnight ember]

in practice it works really well

only member of the team thats kinda hit or miss is urshifu

[wild sinew]

Yes, and balance doesn't exactly need speed control

[hybrid summit]

https://pokepast.es/9a32b38d4a19ff2d something like this?

[wild sinew]

Yes.

[midnight ember]

can you recommend what i could switch in?

[wild sinew]

Depends on if you want to go balance or ho

[midnight ember]

is the spot im in so bad?

i really like playing this team

[wild sinew]

I don't think the pokemon synergise

And you can take it into multiple different routes by picking 2-3 mons

[sand minnow]

So the point of Amoonguss is to make itself the target instead of others

[mighty rapids]

Yeah so other mons can either set up or take another mon out

[pseudo current]

i was trying a fire water grass core w bulky talwind

thats why i used mence, it has intimidate and is also very good on offense w clear amulet, and suicune is bulk and decently powerful with very good support

a pokemon ive considered for the water role is empoleon bc it has 8 normal resistances, and 2 double resistances and 1 immunity and only 3 weaknesses and it also has considerable base stats in hp, defense, special attack, and spdef, combined with its competitive ability in an intimidate dominated meta feels powerful, especially since empoloen matches up pretty well into the main intimidate mons being incin and lando t

[midnight ember]

lando t just stomping tantrums you

[pseudo current]

true

but if its intimidated it can survive

[wanton abyss]

Empoleon eats a Tantrum and cooks Lando T back, but Empoleon’s problems actually aren’t Lando T

[pseudo current]

i also forgot to say but empoleon paired w mence is great

[wanton abyss]

Empoleon really struggles into Bolt and Lando I, because you need Shuca or to Tera to live Earth Power without ridiculous investment. You don’t OHKO flutter, you have zero matchup into Watershifu, and despite the good defensive typing, you’re vulnerable to a lot of things

Something Empoleon can do pretty comfortably is a Yawn + Icy Wind combo, to sit on the field and be annoying

I recommend picking either suicune or Urshifu water. I don’t like double water in this format

[thorn root]

https://pokepast.es/40da5685e2800e17

[pseudo current]

https://pokepast.es/bba507b97e3a4eb2

try that one on for size

[wild sinew]

Well you don't want to go double water, so Scarf Shifu and make Suicune a Latias, or replace Scarf Shifu with Pao and work from there

Just don't think you're getting as much value when using three intimidators tbh, Lando I + Incineroar and Entei + Lando T, are nice and synergise together, but Salamence Def has to go, if you go Latias you'll definitely want Kingambit.

[wild sinew]

Pelipper wants Focus Sash to ensure turns on the field or Rocky Helmet to punish Urshifu-Rapid. Eject button doesn't do much for you, especially if you wanted to set Tailwind. You'll also probably want protect over Weather Ball or Wide Guard.

Go for a bulkier Archaludon, 36+ SpA is all it needs thanks to Electro Shot

Ludicolo is horrible, Rain just uses Scarf Urshifu

You probably don't need two intimidators rain, instead, you can go for its incarnate form which has 101% accurate Sandsear in rain.

Sinistcha is also just worse Amoonguss here, worse synergy with Incineroar and worse defensive typing for redirection

[fresh flicker]

You only generally go for cha for trick room teams.

[wild sinew]

^

[sand minnow]

I heard that Corviknight is a good tailwind user and fairy resist? who from my current team can I replace with Corviknight?

Here is the moveset

[fresh flicker]

That's in Singles, doubles Corv isn't very good and I'd recommend you go to #comp-general for advice.

[winter gulch]

Corviknight is pretty old in terms of viability, and the ones that were good were choice band

why were they choice band? I could not tell you tbh

also tera dragon conrv with a similar set wasn't the worst thing ever like a year ago (but obviously regulations have changed)

[drifting onyx]

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[rich pebble]

https://pokepast.es/27589b9acf4aab4c

My frst vgc team, any comments?

[wild sinew]

Rillaboom is always better than Wellspring here, better synergy with Urshifu-R and Incineroar.

Incineroar needs speed investment and a -SpA nature, otherwise you're significantly worse into opposing Incineroar and Iron Hands, you'll also not be able to reach important speed tiers with Tailwind.

Archaludon on Torn rain isn't easy to pilot and I wouldn't recommend it, Rillaboom is in general the preferable user of AV and Archaludon can be Chien Pao / Landorus-I

Flutter Mane is better off with a different EV spread so you can still output damage, 76/0/140/116/4/196 Modest is my recommendation

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/d464ffd47f5cd89b

[wild sinew]

Is this meant for singles or doubles?

[sand minnow]

Singles. I’m open to changes in any department, but if possible I’d like to keep arcanine, sneasler, and garchomp. I understand however if that’s just not realistic

[wild sinew]

VGC is a doubles bring 6 pick 4 format

I'd look into singles tiers but Sneasler is banned from OU, and the team would be facing legendaries in Ubers.

[dense nebula]

Iron jugulis or roaring moon as a tailwind setter, both tera poison

[wild sinew]

Roaring Moon

Better to ask these in #comp-general or #comp-general-2 as this channel is for rating teams

[trim lake]

https://pokepast.es/38635e3d7fe1a19e
new to team building wondering hows my team would like to keep lapras and cinccino and im open to any suggestions still trying to figure it all out

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Would honestly just recommend looking at pre existing teams, VGC can be cruel so only Metagross from your 6 is actually viable.

https://play.limitlesstcg.com/tournament/65726cda9d9cfe6271adbbc4/standings

[burnt surge]

!vgcresources

[drifting onyx]

VGC Resources
Format Details: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-f/
Metagame Discussion Thread: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3732909/
Simple Questions, Simple Answers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3588172/
Rental Teams: https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/
Teams From Most Recent Tournament: https://victoryroadvgc.com/2024-san-antonio/
VGCPastes Repository: http://tinyurl.com/vgcpastes
Room on Showdown: https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/vgc
Discord: https://discord.gg/Wt5dD7z
Last Updated <t:1704189194:f>

[burnt surge]

Rental teams are here ^

[sand minnow]

What’s the format for singles bring 3?

[dense nebula]

Alr ty

[burnt surge]

Battle Stadium Singles (BSS)

[sand minnow]

Gotcha ty

[wild sinew]

Btw can you replace teams from most recent tournament with the above link

[burnt surge]

Aight but I'm in a different continent

[wild sinew]

Take your time.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/9a8b8381e6132ae7 any suggestions for vgc competetive. having issues with expanding force follow me and stall

[dire drift]

https://pokepast.es/2b66a925b0ddb60b any advice for my sun Team? Any damage or speed calcs I should look at for this team in Reg F? Thanks!

[trim lake]

https://pokepast.es/2234ecdb981bd8c2 does this team have a better fighting chance compared to my previous one (reposting the link for comparison) https://pokepast.es/38635e3d7fe1a19e

[slim finch]

Rain team + Greninja support, need to see if its viable or not https://pokepast.es/73a584e1a14166d7

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/03f955d3dde9e5c3 Made a team for in game ladder trying to use Lando-I and primarina and entei

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lavish crest]

https://pokepast.es/6cf833b32cbaf7df i just like riolu

[ripe bronze]

https://pokepast.es/c15915d3d6e75634
I'm wondering if Tornadus could be swapped out for Latias because I keep running into Farigiraf and it's like Kryptonite to me.

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/b565b7b8637edd49
bro this strat is so funny
heres the gist
1: lead oricorio and oranguru
2: quiver dance on oricorio, and skill swap on the oricorio as well
3: spam quiver dance. the dancer ability will help oranguru get the boosts as well
4: do the same as 3 but use instruct so they both do it twice
5: SWEEP WITH STORED POWER!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/c65011f894086251 you guys think this could work better than my original team?

current team ^

[sleek walrus]

arent you a youtuber

[dense nebula]

no?

[sleek walrus]

oh

bc i swore there was a ytber with a mimikyu pfp

[dense nebula]

i do twitch sometimes

[sleek walrus]

i see

[dense nebula]

i have mimikyu as my pfp because its my fav mon

[errant quail]

https://pokepast.es/d81ebbe2ec9854ac
what do u guys think about my team? i wated to build a gouging fire team but quickly realized that using him as a sweeper with all these insane dragons running around wasnt very accomplishing so i opted, instead of compensate for the weaknesses to play on gougin fire's strengh thus using him as a bulky support for mu other 3 physical attachers that also deals tons of dmg after one or two howls, he is really strong agains other physical attackers with burning bulwark and breaking swipe, snarl suicune and AV rillaboom compensate for special bulk and kingambit is there to prevent intimidate spam. There is nothing better than swap landorus to intimidate and catching a howl from gouging fire, or having ur opponent set sun up for u just to see everything die from a +1 sun boosted protosynthesis boosted flare blitz.

i can share the ev spreads if u guys wanna go more in depth

[north tree]

Really great take on using gouging fire! I would really like to see it's spread but I may suggest booster energy speed on gouging to howl faster than landorus or even booster energy in a defensive stat if needed.

Landorus Therian with sunny day is interesting but I think it may better to run u turn. Being locked into sunny day is not a particularly nice situation and as you said, the opponent can set sun for you.

[errant quail]

Thx a lot for the reply, yes landorus currently has u-turn instead of sunny day its an old iteration

kingambit has swords dance also instead of iron head cuz i noticed i never clicked iron head and the few times i bring gambit and not gouging fire i still wanna be able to boost

[north tree]

Ah I never noticed Iron head on the gambit I always automatically skim over glasses Gambit and assume it has swords dance

Another problem I may want to point out is that the team is somewhat setup heavy

[errant quail]

Gouging fire is built to have an attack boost under the sun and its meant to work perfectly without protosynthesis, leftovers and grassy terrain recovery is insane on such a bulky version of the mon

[north tree]

Suicune and gouging fire are both quite slow paced in their support methods

[north tree]

Oh it's lefties

Your paste had sitrus

[errant quail]

oh mb yeah he has lefties now

i didnt notice i made so many changes XD

lemme give u a more recent paste, mb really sorry

[north tree]

Dwai

[errant quail]

https://pokepast.es/520a9bd79310dc00

the team has very very little speed investment, i'm aware of it but during my practice i didnt feel like it was that much of a problem since all the team members can easly take a beating XD

suicune is there with tailwind if its a dire situation

tera flying landorus and very heavy sp.atk fluttermane provide instant power to a very set up heavy team i admit that

but tbh gouging fire slaps even with this investment and we all know how deadly black glasses tera dark kingambit is even without a setup

the point is that u can always click a slow howl since the team is very bulky and has grassy terrain recovery plus gouging fire is still faster than rilla and gambit.

landorus is 244 speed cuz i'd rather know that i'm slower than other landos instead of playing for the 50/50.

[errant quail]

Rillaboom @ Assault Vest
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 188 HP / 116 Atk / 60 Def / 140 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Grassy Glide
• Wood Hammer
• U-turn

this is the rillaboom i'm using, it oneshots squishy urshify with a +1 grassy glide so ursh/torn lead goes: turn 1 fake out howl, turn 2 grassy glide

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/c01417ceebd4d70b

How can I improve this?

I have trouble with heatran and flutter

[ripe bronze]

Verlisify?

[sleek walrus]

no

neil

[autumn lintel]

hey i think this tema works well due to to the monnhaving overall synergy althought there are some problems such as it being quite a hyper defense team i also dont thunk you speed control lakinga s you got speed control using tailwind

[north tree]

This team looks like something that needs testing in practice

I am not experienced in reg f enough yet to direct you on metagame mus

[autumn lintel]

the way i would make this team better is adding more poekmon with the move protect currently there is only 2 mon with protect the minimun amount of pokemon on a team that should have protect in my opion is 4 i also believe you team doesnt gain to much form tailwind and would much prefer another urshifu counter as urshifu can sweep this team in tailwind as it can do massive damage to fluttermane entei chien poa and tornadus although i still think ragiing bolt and rillaboom can beat it but if there not on the field out that poinjt your losing more than half your mon

[north tree]

You should try running wood hammer rillaboom instead of knock off that removes flutter mane easily.

Also tbolt > snarl on raging bolt

[manic pond]

Nah I sleep ursh

[manic pond]

Yeah I’m doing that rn

Thanks

[north tree]

Also run tera normal Entei with inner focus

[manic pond]

Yeah I realized

I forgot to change the Tera

[north tree]

And stellar pao could be useful vs the flutter mane matchup

After that I don't think heatran and flutter should be an issue

[autumn lintel]

i dont think ter stellar good or needed

[north tree]

Heatran gets hurt by tantrum and stellar sacred sword and high horsepower

Flutter gets destroyed by stellar ice crash, wood hammer and banded sacred fire

[dense nebula]

should i replace farigiraf with torkoal or no

[manic pond]

See that’s what I was thinking too

I think I don’t wanna use a defensive Tera

And I just want a nuke if needed

[autumn lintel]

thats not relly neccesarily as chien poa is already doing enough damage and in stead of wasting his tera he should just use a admant nature which if you run the calc ko most fluttermane with sucker punch and allows you to ko most heatran

[manic pond]

It is an adament nature

But I agree stellar is really good when positioned correctly

[north tree]

Can I do a proper analysis later? Lots of stuff here it seems

[autumn lintel]

although i agree i think your already doing enough damage and chien poa can be stopped by a simple fake out which ghost tera stops

[dense nebula]

yea

[manic pond]

Just protect infront of it

🤷‍♀️

[dense nebula]

im just having real issues with expanding force redirect teams

[north tree]

Stellar tera chien pao was a suggestion because it is currently common in the metagame, arguments on whether it is good feel more like a comp-general conversation.

[autumn lintel]

well there has been a uprising in trick room iron hands temas so if you protect infront of it then you are allowing trick room to go up but if you were sble to tera ghost you could shut down the farigiraf and stop trick room from going up which in most cases wins you the game

[autumn lintel]

well this is a competive rarings so i gave my valid reasoing

[north tree]

Fair enough

Both are viable imo

I have teams with stellar pao

And teams running ghost pao

Depends on the team

Tailwind ho tends to prefer stellar

I think fake out can be circumvented due to flutter mane and Entei being immune to it

[autumn lintel]

ye thats fair it come down to personal prefrence

[dense nebula]

Think i fixed my team for comp, https://pokepast.es/9f70c7dde19d0431

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[spiral shale]

i think id make moon + torkoal a flutter+sunny day torn/whims

make hands av

make ghold `Gholdengo @ Leftovers
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 172 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpA / 20 SpD / 60 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect`

and shifu cc>ice punch

[dense nebula]

How would i activate quark drive?

And im assuming i use fluttermane speed

[dense nebula]

?

Or do i not activate it

[spiral shale]

flutter has proto

im sure leo has a good set

[wild sinew]

Few issues but Greninja and pretty much every water type is just a worse Scarf Urshifu in rain

[wild sinew]

Not on this team, to beat Farigiraf Trick Room you'll generally have to minimise their damage output and avoid koing the lead Pokémon until trick room is about to end.

[wild sinew]

Entei really appreciates Chien-Pao who can replace either of Amoonguss or Rillaboom, the two don't synergise well anyway.

Primarina is better off as a Flutter Mane here which also allows for Tornadus to use Sunny Day, good into Urshifu-R and boosts Entei's Sacred Fire to crazy levels.

[dense nebula]

Is tornadus better for sd?

Or could torkoal gimmic still be viable

[wild sinew]

Tornadus is generally better

[topaz edge]

Which would you say is better to swap chein pao out for? And i was trying to use primarina because its one of my favorites and ive heard its doing decent in the current regulation

[ripe bronze]

Would Snarl be a good idea on Incineroar? I'm not sure what I could replace on it.

[wild sinew]

Knock Off

[wild sinew]

Amoonguss probably, where you'll want to give Rillaboom a defensive tera and a bulkier EV spread. Primarina is good on Balance compositions.

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/45524e168049eb19 something like this then?

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/363af51e110beea9
yall, this good?

[topaz edge]

So flutter just fits better since my team is more offense based?

[wild sinew]

yeah

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/df6c90ebda116bcf this team good?

[dense nebula]

Urshifu sucker punch or chi yu snarl as a fluttermane counter

[potent onyx]

https://pokepast.es/aaf10a626579f452 been trying to find a good sub for landorus, but I’m kinda stuck

(Ik it shows that lando is Tera ground but that’s cuz I had deleted it from the team and put it back and forgot to change it back to flying Tera)

[dense nebula]

Iron boulder

Or whatever its called

[winter gulch]

those are just checks, and you'd need low flutter investment, band ursh, or a pretty chipped Ursh to get a KO with Sucker I think

just use AV Rillaboom or something, soft check that trades positively into it (generally)

[ancient oriole]

Would love for someone to look over my team centered on fluttermane: https://pokepast.es/35b732b76f9c758d
this is the first team I have built by myself as I usually rotate through rental teams 🙂

[winter gulch]

I feel like you would enjoy Sun Hyper Offense a lot

make your flutter mane do damage

no ghost move is really going to threaten flutter this forat

and if it does, just tera fairy out

[ancient oriole]

yeah i thought that, i got sweeped by gholdengo once and thje berry helps allot

but maybe if i use choice scarff i can out speed an one hit kil it

[wild sinew]

#1059653209678950460

[wild sinew]

Lando I

Wouldn't recommend AV Incin, and looking at how fast the team is, Latias seems better then Porygon2 here

[potent onyx]

I was juggling between lando i or zapdos

Since Zapdos has nice bulk, can do good damage, and I think the team can benefit from eerie impulse if I decide to give it that

[meager charm]

Any Indeedee armorouge team for VGC reg f?

[winter gulch]

Iron Crown is probably the way to go

[wild sinew]

Would also highly suggest Iron Crown, if determined to run Armadd, this is the most successful team so far
https://pokepast.es/16dea50f7660a86a

[winter gulch]

1 protect is crazy

[wild sinew]

(Armadd is crazy)

[lost phoenix]

you aint seen nothin yet

ZERO protects...

[winter gulch]

I play Hyper Offense

and I have more protects than you

that's crazy

[lost phoenix]

well technically its one tect

[meager charm]

Ev spread?

[wild sinew]

pretty much all of them can just go 252 tbh

52/212/52/0/4/188 Spe for Ogerpon

[valid mesa]

It's 0.75 Protects.

[hasty owl]

https://pokepast.es/71ff8b0bc3308b8b I made this team, it counters most meta but I js wanna make sure it’s good, it does rlly well sometimes but it loses to torn shenanigans

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lost phoenix]

i mean who needs protects in urshifu meta just kill shit

[midnight ember]

Im Running into issues now can you help

https://pokepast.es/f718362c521de5c0

How do I go hyper Offense with this

[wild sinew]

Focusing on Whimsicott Sun, removing stuff like Incineroar Wellspring for Entei Chien-Pao

[midnight ember]

Why exactly sun?

For the boost on raging bolt?

[wild sinew]

Partially yeah

[midnight ember]

And the other reason?

Entei?

[wild sinew]

What Whimsicott sees success on rn, as with rain or weatherless, Tornadus provides a lot more synergy

[midnight ember]

So should go torn instead?

I just tried using new Mons for like a fresh wind

Got boring

[wild sinew]

Well then go Sun

[honest peak]

https://pokepast.es/b1a4ffad9793307d is this team any good?

[wild sinew]

Zamazenta is banned from vgc, which tier are you looking for?

[honest peak]

Oh didnt know

any good replacements for him than?

[lavish crest]

if you want a good body presser u can go for archaludon

[valid mesa]

I mean sorta sequel to that, it's illegal anyway. 2 Leftovers breaks item clause. On top of that, nothing here is super viable (Excadrill can be, just wouldn't recommend it like this). Hazards, removal and boots are never worthwhile in VGC as their opportunity cost is too high. Looks more like OU than VGC if anything, so I'd advise having a look for teams that have done well in tours to get some experience first.

[lavish crest]

and protect

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/b0ced8f6c8543763

Questions comments concerns

Pretend Rilla is Tera water ^

[bold jackal]

bult a team for the blueberry prologue https://pokepast.es/1ef251f276ec5ac2

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/60a13cb4934d5b32

Rain team

[north tree]

No need for damp rock on pelipper, most games don't last long enough for that to provide value. U-turn can also be swapped for wide guard, which provides more utility than the former. Archaludon wants a tera that isn't weak to ground as to be able to take on Landorus-Incarnate better (fairy is the main one). Whimsicott does not seem necessary on the team, surging strikes is already available to self proc stamina and you already have a tailwind setter. Incineroar seems like a safe bet if you find that you don't struggle vs ground types, it provides defensive utility and completes a fwg steel core. Furthermore, it helps gholdengo set up and allows ursh to survive grassy glide even when boosted by sword of ruin or tera grass/miracle seed.

[ornate cloak]

Alright

Tysm

Rlly appreciate the help

[snow jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/459077bb27e246e3 is this team all right?

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/bc6230cf4cf647f7

this good guys?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Flutter Mane gets more value from Choice Specs or Fairy Feather here

Chi-Yu or Follow Me Ogerpon-Hearthflame are better Fire types than Incineroar on this team

Urshifu needs protect over U-turn to better preserve Focus Sash and help position.

Raging Bolt wants a more offensive set to take advantage of Tailwind, you don't have enough of support and a defensive cofe for CM

[wild sinew]

Unfortunately not, Charizard is just a worse Chi-Yu, not hitting as hard, taking huge recoil, and being vulnerable to a lot of priority

Torkoal is not good outside of teams centred around Trick Room

Gastrodon isn't necessary here and AV is not a good set.

Sableye is unviable, far too frail and passive to see use and the support it brings is generally unnecessary.

[sleek walrus]

https://pokepast.es/4779519daa89c4bf this team good?

[slate echo]

https://pokepast.es/53338cf2d8abca97 Been testing out a couple ideas, feels really solid. Haven’t came up against any horrible matchups. Any advice for possible changes?

[wild sinew]

Well, eh since Weezing is pretty bad rn

[wild sinew]

Tornadus Scarf Urshifu over Latias Wellspring imo

I also don't think CM Iron Crown is good with Indeedee, you really need a way to pressure Incin otherwise you are very limited when pivoting, likely forced to lose the Quark Drive boost

[slate echo]

Ok cool, thanks

[slim finch]

https://pokepast.es/12ca1447aa9161b Rain team w Incin + Rilla, idk how to go against Registeel and trick room . Any advice?

[wild sinew]

Can you copy the link again, It won't send me to team

[slim finch]

https://pokepast.es/e6cee455e0437cda

[wild sinew]

Good start

Incineroar wants Safety Goggles here, Amoonguss looks like it can crush you as of now, can sit on your entire team bar Pelipper and constantly pressure you. Darkest Lariat is just worse Knock Off rn because of the utility.

Archaludon kind of needs AV to function best, Body Press last slot is good and going 36+ SpA with the rest in your hp and SpD is a good start to a spread.

Pelipper wants Protect over Roost

Urshifu is better off as scarf here as Pelipper isn't guaranteed to get up Tailwind and you have a good damage boost anyway. U-turn is fun.

Rillaboom is also better off as Amoonguss since it got stripped off AV, helps Arch set up and saves Urshifu against Raging Bolt, can now also use Sitrus thanks to Incineroar switching to Safety Goggles.

[slim finch]

alrioght, thanks

[trim lake]

is this a better team https://pokepast.es/2234ecdb981bd8c2 compared to my previous one (reposting the link for comparison) https://pokepast.es/38635e3d7fe1a19e

[analog shell]

https://pokepast.es/b24d0da9cd74164c thoughts on my reg f singles team?

[burnt surge]

Oh if it's singles then you'll want to go to https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060690402711183370

[turbid pine]

Hey guys. Im new to pvp and I really like the concept of Double Battles. I want to try myself in the ingame ladder but before that I want to 'train' in the indigo disk dlc which I didnt play through yet (so please no spoilers).. I would highly appreciate if one of you experts could give me a team which is a competitive and straight forward team and has a simple (for beginners) win condition. Thank you very much in advance. Love and Peace ❤️

Oh yea I have access to basically every Mon out there since my Home is full lol and also I have some friends who are shiny hunters and breeders.. And I also breed on my own aswell so yeah I could get any Mon somehow

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/21da76279957ad00

[turbid pine]

Hey thank you. Appreciate it. Could you say one or two sentences to that team lol.. I mean I can see the rain concept behind it

[ornate cloak]

Basically, you set up tailwind, and rain dance while taking minimal damage on Urshifu-Rapid, once those two are setup you simply spam Surging Strikes.

Rillaboom and Chien-Pao are excellent on rain teams since they take reduced damage from fire type attacks and even cover for all of Urshifu-Rapids weaknesses.

Landorus-I is a very good check against Electric type Pokemon/Electric type attacks.

Namely, Electro Shot and Raging Bolt

Incineroar is well... Incineroar, it provides great utility with intimidate support to weaken opposing Ogerpon and Rillaboom.

[slate echo]

https://pokepast.es/c4b5a35aa624d3af Hi, I sent this team here a little earlier asking for advice. After player for a bit longer the hardest match-up for me is dondozo, mainly Tera grass. Anyone have ideas of how to manage that matchup, also what are good replacements for calm mind on iron crown?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[north tree]

Calm mind on Iron crown can be replaced for tera blast water and you could potentially switch latias out for haze chien pao to deal with dondozo. Not going to comment on the rest of the team's synergy so far I'll leave that up to the other raters.

[wild sinew]

Rn your best way into Dondozo is preserving Tera for Entei and utilising Follow Me Wellspring and Flutter Mane.

Though it's a tricky matchup as you want Indeedee + Iron Crown for Dragonite + Chien-Pao, should drop Entei or Flutter Mane depending on if their ots is Tera Grass or Dragon

[slate echo]

Yeah ok, thanks. But yeah the team synergy isn’t the best but it somehow just works. But definitely could be optimised. I usually sit around top 1000 on in game ladder, using rental teams so this is my first attempt at making a team in a long time, so if you see any big changes you would make let me know.

[slate echo]

Ok thanks. That makes sense. Usually I just drop iron crown and use indeedee, flutter, entei and ogerpon which seems strong enough

It works to a point, until I verse a good dondozo player who knows how to position properly

[wild sinew]

Indd + Flutter is fine and could be better actually

[slate echo]

👍

[wild sinew]

The comp general channels are more suited for these questions, this thread is only for rating full teams.

[bold jackal]

I built this team for the blueberry prologue but i think i could use some changes https://pokepast.es/03255ed0b4856914

[wild sinew]

I'm not knowledgeable on the Blueberry prolouge meta, but no Terapagos?

[dire drift]

https://pokepast.es/9d5e9ebcce632971 any advice for this team for a little comp edge in reg F. I like charizard and walking wake, so I plan to keep those in. Thanks!

[gleaming fjord]

https://pokepast.es/fa31009f58ca3170

[wild sinew]

Booster Energy is best on Raging Bolt here with Thunderbolt over Volt Switch. If you're looking for an Amoonguss switch in, Incineroar is the one that wants it.

Ogerpon just has a lot less synergy with the team than Urshifu would here.

Recommend Rain Dance on Tornadus over Protect or Taunt as it helps the team in various ways.

Chien-Pao should be running Icicle Crash to not reset your own terrain, and Tera Ghost or Stellar over Dark because you have Sacred Sword.

[gleaming fjord]

why is urshifu better than ogerpon here

also would amoongus be better than rillaboom for this

[wild sinew]

In short, just unseen fist

[wild sinew]

It wouldnt

[wild sinew]

Good with Gake Out, good with Tailwind, good with Sword of Ruin

[gleaming fjord]

but isnt waterpon good w all of those things

i rlly like running ogerpon, how could i teambuild around it more

[chilly jasper]

Urshifu is just like
The best pokemon in the tier

For physical attackers

[gleaming fjord]

ik

[wild sinew]

It's best with a follow me set

good on Latias Tailwind, Urshifu-S balance, Raging Bolt teams, Semi-Room compositions, and Chien-Pao Entei teams.
One of the best pokemon right now.

[gleaming fjord]

what does the raging bolt team w it look like typically

[gleaming fjord]

also what stat spread would it run for that

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/e61305fa94d54419

https://pokepast.es/0ffaea44a4e765f8

[gloomy igloo]

https://pokepast.es/517c357ba401aadb
im new to team building, so please help me out

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[wild sinew]

Great team, my only suggestions are replacing Wellspring with Urshifu-R and to use Strategy Dex spreads

[gloomy igloo]

Thanks! I'll try to send it after, but what would be my main Pokemon?

[wild sinew]

Really all of them, an easy way to start though is to just look at what your opponent is weak to typing wise

[gloomy igloo]

Okay, thank you for the help!

[wild sinew]

Also I missed Tera types but here are what they would be
Raging Bolt - Electric / Grass
Urshifu - Water
Landorus - Poison
Tornadus - Steel / Dark
Rillaboom - Fire / Water
Incineroar - Grass / Water

[gloomy igloo]

Okay

https://pokepast.es/d9ce6ffe42b43b83

Here's the final team

[wild sinew]

I recommend these EVs btw

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-f/

[gloomy igloo]

Alright

I'll try to build the team later, but thanks for the help!

[worn turtle]

Thoughts on my trick room team

[neat otter]

https://pokepast.es/ac7800e95075b1aa I'm new to this format, so anyone can point me out on what to fix?

[wild sinew]

Run Indeedee over Cresselia as a trick room setter, thanks to Psychic terrain its an insane partner for Hatterene. Which should be running Expanding Force if you make the switch.

Grimmsnarl is not great here, you're burning trick room turns you could be using to kill stuff and the team will pretty much always rather have trick room over screens, can go something like Torkoal or build a fast mode through Iron Crown.

Reuniclus is also unfortunately not great, or at least, quadrupling on psychic types isn't great, might as well go one of the two options here as they hit harder and bring qualities.

[wild sinew]

Regular Ursaluna is just a lot stronger for Cresselia Trick room and has a built in spore immunity.

This allows Cresselia to run the now free Safety Goggles which is crucial as Lunar Blessing can awaken your allies. I would also advise against Light Screen, Helping Hand or Ally Switch are more consistent utility

Iron Hands would appreciate Tera Grass and Assault Vest, while Primarina can run Throat Spray or Leftovers depending on what you prefer.

I think Incineroar overlaps with Iron Hands here and is better off as Focus Sash Urshifu-S or Booster Energy Flutter Mane, making it so the team isn't as reliant on Trick Room.

You want Pollen Puff on Amoonguss as you have plenty of ways to handle Urshifu-R already and the healing is incredible.

[river thunder]

What pokemon should I add and what should I change about my current ones? https://pokepast.es/b25f2f5330984bf8

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[sturdy sphinx]

https://pokepast.es/07365bdb1c6ad112

[slate echo]

Main flaw is indeedee. Psychic terrain prevents priority, 3 of your pokemon have priority, and also doesn't seem to enable anything really.

If you want something similar you could use farigirafd with helping hand. But assuming you also want follw me support you could also add ogerpon wellsping or hearthflame

[wild sinew]

Archaludon is meh here, Nasty Plot Gholdengo works better with your current team.

I'd suggest a bulkier Follow Me Hearthflame and going Tera Steel on Primarina, to help glue the team together and perform better into your weaknesses (Poison and Grass in particular)

You're team is a bit slow paced and takes time to make progress so something that can output immidiete damage is great, I'd look into Landorus-I as it also threatens the Poison and Rock types that threaten your team, while also existing as a Ground switch in since you're in dire need of them.

[dense nebula]

Everything is now fully EV trained and ready for comp

[fresh flicker]

Please give us the pokepaste, it's easier to rate it if we also have the EV's

But one thing I will say, is the lack of protect here is concerning, so you won't be able to use defensive play.

So it's best not to spam choice items.

[errant quail]

Rate my gouging fire balance team, i feel like has a lot of potential: https://pokepast.es/8a85c032cc77c61d

[drifting onyx]

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[austere wasp]

Looks solid, but im not really a fan of the flutter mane

the rest looks very good defensively!

[fresh flicker]

Ting-Lu isn't great in the metagame.

[north tree]

I do think Rillaboom could run a bit more attack investment

[errant quail]

until u dismantle psyspam and its great agains lando-i

[north tree]

116 adamant could be a good investment

[fresh flicker]

Urshifu is everywhere and Tailwind is very oftenly paired with it, even if you Tera. It doesn't stop it from being a threat.

[errant quail]

Rilla always oneshots urshifu rapid after a howl with grassy glide

[austere wasp]

I think I'm just a fan of booster more, also not a fan of the TR in there , Maybe you can do sub there (usually fairy feather sets are like that)

[north tree]

You should honestly be able to do more than that

[fresh flicker]

^

[errant quail]

i think myracle seed compensates for low attack investment

[fresh flicker]

It really doesn't, it just gives your grass moves a boost.

[errant quail]

yep, he only has grass moves tho XD

[north tree]

Actually miracle seed does more than 252 adamant w/out seed

Also I agree with Aldrich on the fairy feather flutter point

[errant quail]

yup

[fresh flicker]

I think I say that because I run a max att Adamant seed boom.

[north tree]

It feels a lot better running booster and I do think tera fairy might be a good tera

[fresh flicker]

Yea definitely.

[errant quail]

what flutter set should i run cuz i realized that TR is kinda clutch sometimes cuz my team is slow

and tera water helps to keep it alive but i'm down to change the flutter

[fresh flicker]

I think the offensive boost if more valuable for flutter.

[errant quail]

and thunderwave gyarados isnt enough sometimes, especially vs had tailwind teams

[fresh flicker]

Unfortunately for Gyra. It isn't great.

[errant quail]

i'm not a huge fan of sp.atk boost flutter cuz u lose the item if u sitch out, and booster speed is way more useful with possibly icy wind

[fresh flicker]

It's niche, but not great. Raging bolt does a number on its viability.

[errant quail]

gyra walls urshifu rapid and is great against amoongus and tbh even lando-i being immune from his life orb sheer force earth power

[fresh flicker]

Now that I think of it.

[errant quail]

if lando poison teras u can always paralyze it

and ting lu destrois it

[fresh flicker]

Your team other then Ting, is vulnerable to bolt.

[errant quail]

hm

[fresh flicker]

And Bolt has teammates that can deal with it.

[errant quail]

yeah ragin bolt is kinda annoying

gouging fire ting lu is good against it tho

tera grass gouging fire and snarl ting lu

should always beat raging bolt

and bulky raging bolts run grass tera

[fresh flicker]

However note I'm only saying this because I've joined the regulation late. I haven't played it until recently.

[errant quail]

so either takes supereffective from breaking swipe and stomping tantrum or it take supereffective from flare blitz

[fresh flicker]

I'm still trying to grip a good grip so I'm saying this with the knowledge I have.

I know Leo will handle this better then I will, as they're the expert. Again, I'm still trying to get a hold.

[north tree]

Personally I don't see bolt as too much of a problem with proper positioning but I don't play bolt

[fresh flicker]

I did once, it's very good.

It's hard to work around if it's in position.

[north tree]

It being very good is quite apparent seeing as it won a regionals

[errant quail]

i'm really down for more advices even some testing if you guys want, i'm proud of this team i feel like it can do a lot of cool stuff

[north tree]

Do you want a bo3?

[errant quail]

sure

[fresh flicker]

I will say, test it first.

[errant quail]

i played with it a bit

[north tree]

I'm on as Insertable194

[fresh flicker]

And try to make suitable changes that will fix issues you find.

[errant quail]

i changed some evs around and i originally didnt have ting lu/gyara on it but i had suicune/landoT and i feel like it got so much better with the change

i'm sending u a challenge request

[north tree]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2030771237

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2024regf-2030774568

[errant quail]

game 1 was legit miserable

[north tree]

I do think there is a major intimidate weakness

[errant quail]

yeah 5 physical mons

i thought gambit was enough of a deterrent

maybe clear amulet gouging fire?

[north tree]

Yes, that could also be an option

You'd also just have to slowplay a lot more

Your main defiant pokemon hitting incin for not very effective is not a very good situation to be in imo

[sturdy sphinx]

thank you sir. Will add these to my notes

[meager charm]

Any Skeliderge+Oranguru team recomendation?

[north tree]

This is best sent to comp-general or the smogonvgc discord server

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/37677a9cf096e8fd i have smth similar to their team act

[native mesa]

https://pokepast.es/57d666c70ee50197

One of my first comp teams. Any advice?

[fresh flicker]

I recommend using teams from victory road to find a team comp for newer players.

[fresh flicker]

https://pokepast.es/4b56c7108e9d7301

[drifting onyx]

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[fresh flicker]

Here's one you can borrow.

[burnt surge]

!vgcresources

[drifting onyx]

VGC Resources
Format Details: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-f/
Metagame Discussion Thread: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3732909/
Simple Questions, Simple Answers: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/3588172/
Rental Teams: https://victoryroadvgc.com/sv-rental-teams/
Teams From Most Recent Tournament: https://cut-explorer.stalruth.dev/regional-portland
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Last Updated <t:1704660592:f>

[burnt surge]

One step ahead of you

[fresh flicker]

Thanks.

[dense nebula]

yeah. I'm really into hyper offense atm. thought this gave the EVS too. sorry

[dense nebula]

fixed. these are the exact evs

amoongus has regen now*

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/6fbe8e7657eba9ac correct one

[zinc copper]

I tried to make Electric Terrain Amphy + Iron Crown, any tips?

[pulsar trout]

frisk is prolly the worst ability in the game cus of ots

[distant stump]

A lot of the mons here are pretty bad

Typhlo is worse chi yu, ampharos is worse raging bolt, wo chien is just kinda bad, pon has a weird set, hitmon is also just kinda bad, and crown isent that good without indeedee

if your new to team building, I'd reccomend taking a rental team

[distant stump]

I mean, hes on cart so it has a use

[zinc copper]

https://tenor.com/view/wochien-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-cursed-images-my-honest-reaction-gif-5359670189486873357

I thought i brainstormed big w Electric Terrain Amphy cuz he just sucks

[distant stump]

just why go to all of that effort

[zinc copper]

I usually do rental teams but i just wanted to make a team w some of my favorite mons like Amphy, Slug and Hisuian Typhlosion

Hitmontop is just there because i used him to get ultr ball tier in sword and shield

And i didnt know who else to add in, didnt want Incineroar

Also i think Ampharos should have electric terrain on an ability, hes a damn lighthouse

[river thunder]

What evs do you recommend for pon?

[wild sinew]

204/76+/36/0/4/188

[grave nebula]

thank you

[snow jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/ab00bcd0de891c79 is there any other Pokemon I can use to set up rain and tailwind

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Tornadus, I'd say the big off thing here is Wellspring

[snow jacinth]

What Pokemon can I use to replace wellspring

[snow jacinth]

Maybe rillaboom , Sinistcha, Hydrapple,Ogerpon-Hearthflame or Serperior

[wild sinew]

Amoonguss imo

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/f5558dff1abe1b99 this tornadus set fine for my team?

thinking of replacing chi yu with urshifu rapid strike

[dense nebula]

or maybe this. https://pokepast.es/20b8d7a8a2ad58b7

[wild sinew]

Run a bulkier Tera Dark Tornadus

Though I find the team all over the place and hard to fix properly without changing too much

[pliant horizon]

https://pokepast.es/5593a2d5794d9fa6

i did a thing

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[north tree]

I would reccomend deciding the archtype you want to go for, and find a rental team with that to get a feel for how those teams work. If you want me to go over your team specifically and break down the mistakes, I'm also happy to do so.

[pliant horizon]

i like what i have going on

at least with indeedee,crown,tornadus and chi yu

the other two slots is up for grabs really

i just got paranoid about john vgc

this fuck right here

Also yeah I would love to hear what I did wrong in the team

[dense nebula]

does this help? the main ones im wanting to use are Tornadus fluttermane and Amoongus

i can replace incineroar with landorus. chi yu with iron hands, dnite with idk

[wild sinew]

I'd offer going weather then

Rain with Archaludon, Urshifu, and Incineroar in the last slot is an option

[dense nebula]

what if im set on using a sun team?

[wild sinew]

Entei > Incineroar, Raging Bolt > Chi-Yu, Chien-Pao > Amoonguss

[sterile cedar]

Try max speed adrenaline orb on empoleon trust. Sends the incineroar right back to hell

[snow jacinth]

I wanna test this walking wake in raging bolt team. https://pokepast.es/d3de6031787ed865

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Team benefits a lot more from Tornadus Landorus rather than Torkoal Glowking

Would recommend trying Safety Goggles Raging Bolt so you still have an item when sun is up

[snow jacinth]

Ok

I'm also building a kommo-o team using boomburst

[snow jacinth]

Kommo-o boomburst team https://pokepast.es/d6630fc9731ac1db

[dense nebula]

Smthn like this https://pokepast.es/9033ca2060686e13

[wild sinew]

Entei > Incineroar, Rillaboom > Gouging Fire

[dense nebula]

Why entei instead of gouging fire?

[dense nebula]

Do i need a fire water grass core or no

[dense nebula]

Cant get entei yet. Any substitutes?

[wild sinew]

No

[wild sinew]

Sacred Fire, Extreme Speed, Offensive Gouging doesn't have anything going for it really.

[wild sinew]

Ogerpon-H may work

[urban cloak]

https://pokepast.es/865fffe0e4d37369

[dense nebula]

Doesnt gouging fire get the fire type equivelant of outrage

[winter gulch]

why do you have 1 IV speed

literally does nothing but detriment you

also you're wasting EVs, just use the sliders

Ting Lu is kinda mid tbh, I think you want to see a mon that betters your fast offensive core or slower TR core

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/236daa734c7415fa

im keeping the lurantis

[urban cloak]

Ting Lu answers a lot of my checks like flutter and archaludon

And I’ve lost trickroom mirrors cause Ivs weren’t 0

But I think I might drop urshifu for something a little more versatile

[wild sinew]

Invest in Rillaboom and Incineroar's speeds, they aren't meant to be trick room sweepers.
Ting Lu stacks grounds, just use a Pokemon that can do more damage and has type synergy with the team like Kingambit

Urshifu wants Mystic Water and Detect over Swords Dance if you're not opting for Choice Scarf.

[urban cloak]

so have a balance of fast and slow sweepers and support?

[wild sinew]

Ideally yeah

[urban cloak]

https://pokepast.es/fb2508f1a804df3d

edits i made

might need better ev stuff

[wild sinew]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc24-regulation-f/

[sterile cedar]

https://pokepast.es/9dfb2dea77a0a103
Can I get thoughts on this as a vgc team?

[drifting onyx]

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[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/236daa734c7415fa I'm keeping the lurantis

[warped tide]

Thinking of building this in S/V as my main team, thoughts?
https://pokepast.es/877b10693a0ce671

Prob switch Ice Beam on Latias for Draco Meteor

[wild sinew]

Ice beam is the better move on Latias so no need to change it.

Would recommend AV Kingambit over Rillaboom because it synergises way better with Latias, Rillaboom variant looks like itd prefer Tornadus in that slot
That does lose you out on a grass type so you may consider Wellspring over Urshifu, also helps with the amount of protects you currently have

[warped tide]

Cool, thats actually siper insightful thanks

I'm worried about my match up against Incineroar though

[warped tide]

With Ogerpon and Kingambit

All i'd have is Landorus

[wild sinew]

Ogerpon does hit it for super effective at least, and Kinganbit can get a boost to bully Incineroar's partners and run low kick to deal 60-80%, though you may want to burn Tera there

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/236daa734c7415fa keeping the lurantis

I'll retry in 10 min

The thing above

What

No ping

This is fun

How long u gon type for

What you typing an essay

[hearty sentinel]

Hey guys i Need a good team to play with my friends if anyone wants to help me see if they have in this list pls

[cedar haven]

A lil snow team https://pokepast.es/56664a360d1abeac

[drifting onyx]

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[cedar haven]

WAIT

[hearty sentinel]

Sorry my man I from Brazil and is a little hard to me writing

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/236daa734c7415fa keeping lurantis

[cedar haven]

Flawless grammar god damn

[hearty sentinel]

This list don’t have in my game

[cedar haven]

Huh

That's what I want rated

[hearty sentinel]

Kkkkkkkkk are you kidding me ?

[cedar haven]

Not flawless but pretty good

This channel is a fraud

Pls rate my team

https://pokepast.es/236daa734c7415fa

[hearty sentinel]

Calma moreno

[hearty sentinel]

I don’t have any idea how to rate some team

[cedar haven]

That's what the channel is for

It's a rate team channel

For higher ups to rate the team

[hearty sentinel]

Sorry I just wanna catch some team for me

I will post one here

Rate for me pls

Send the site link

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/69bf3cc122165473

[winter gulch]

we are busy and will get to them when we can, it takes time

[cedar haven]

I'm sorry I've just been trying to get my team rated for hours

[winter gulch]

a lot of us are EU/NA/SA and you just hit us at a bad time

[ornate cloak]

Is it okay if I maybe shared some thoughts on his team?

[winter gulch]

yeah sure

[ornate cloak]

Immediately, Lurantis is not the best

[cedar haven]

IM KEEPING IT

That's the one thing I'm firm on

[ornate cloak]

I'm so sorry but using favorites doesn't always work but sure

[winter gulch]

just go with it

[cedar haven]

It's unique

[ornate cloak]

Change its Tera to Fighting perhaps

[cedar haven]

Okay

[ornate cloak]

Indeedee should have expanding force instead of psyshock and give it Psychic seed

Tera grass Tera blast on Armerouge

[winter gulch]

I'd go with a third attack on Lurantis, Dazzling > Psychic move on Indeedee, Focus Blast over Flamethrower on Armarouge, Earth Power over Solar Beam or Flamethrower on Torkoal, AV Archaludon (check dex set on Smogon), and Rage Powder Pollen Puff Spore Protect on Amoonguss

[ornate cloak]

Give Torkoal a sitrus berry with Eruption, Heatwave/Flamethrower, Earth Power and Solar Beam

[winter gulch]

these are just changes on sets and not team synergy

I'd go full Trick Room with this comp but that's just me

I'd also personally go EP Eruption heat Wave with Charcoal on Torkoal

[ornate cloak]

Sitrus Berry?

[winter gulch]

TR teams want to hit hard in the limited turns they have

[winter gulch]

no.

[ornate cloak]

Hmm alr

[winter gulch]

it doesn't do you anything

[cedar haven]

Yeah I was told to hit hard on tr

[ornate cloak]

Archaludon doesn't need dragon Claw tbh

[winter gulch]

if you want to use Arch, use this
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/archaludon/vgc24-regulation-f/

[ornate cloak]

You can maybe try AV with Breaking Swipe, Rock Slide

[winter gulch]

I wouldn't even use it on this team tbh, doesn't synergize terribly well with TR

[ornate cloak]

Arch just doesn't work well without rain/beat up

[winter gulch]

it slows the pace of the game down when you want to kill stuff

same with Amoonguss realistically

[ornate cloak]

True

Also, you need a decent way to check opposing Amoonguss

[cedar haven]

Is bax instead of arch good

[ornate cloak]

@winter gulch when you're free

https://pokepast.es/69bf3cc122165473

Take a look at this team

[ornate cloak]

Not in TR

[cedar haven]

Bax is slow

[ornate cloak]

It's not good on TR

[cedar haven]

Then what

[ornate cloak]

Also, if you really wanna use TR, you might as well try to include CressLuna

[winter gulch]

where's the synergy on this team

the regigigas one

[ornate cloak]

Eh

Honestly

[winter gulch]

like honestly looks like a bunch of mons slapped together + gimmicky regigias skill swap

[ornate cloak]

Fair point

I kinda wanted to make Regigas work

I'll try it with Weezing perhaps

[winter gulch]

I'd personally argue gigas is worse than Lurantis just bc Gigas takes up 2 moveslots for a mon that's pretty average even without considering the ability it has

[cedar haven]

This

[ornate cloak]

??

[ornate cloak]

I mean

You're right

Ig I just gotta try without Gigas

[winter gulch]

like i'm not saying you can't/shouldn't try, but I wouldn't expect it to be very good

[cedar haven]

People sleep on contrary all moves with bad side effects are strong that plus a boost is crazy

[winter gulch]

also I think whatever team you had before would appreciate protects

[ornate cloak]

True, it's moreso dependent on luck

[winter gulch]

oh yeah on that topic please try stellar tera on that thing, and psychic or grass on armarouge

[ornate cloak]

Yk

[cedar haven]

Okay noted

[ornate cloak]

I have a very good idea for contrary

[cedar haven]

What?

[winter gulch]

btw if you want to theorycraft and stuff, it'd be cool if you could move to #comp-general or somewhere else

[cedar haven]

Why stellar

Like why Tera stellar

[winter gulch]

does good damage when you don't have the contrary boost, boosts both teras, and makes tera blasts 100 power, and lowers Atk and SpA one stage after being used

[cedar haven]

Ohh

[distant stump]

Just like thing with lurantis or whatever

why bother getting all the set up

and using your tera

when you can just use rillaboom

like literally its not worth it

[cedar haven]

Rilla on a tr team

Naw

[distant stump]

...raging bolt?

Why are you running lurantis on a tr team

just use hatterene

[cedar haven]

Because contrary

Contrary is so broken

Imagine using close combat then adding to def an sdef

[distant stump]

yeah sure its a nice ability

but like

[winter gulch]

do you live long enough to use that buff though

[cedar haven]

Sometimes

[winter gulch]

do you deal enough damage or provide enough to justify it

[distant stump]

This is depressing

and grass is a terrible defensive type

[winter gulch]

my Rhyperior also lives sometimes too

[cedar haven]

I don't use it half the time but when I do it works good

Not great

But good

[wild sinew]

Main issue is that it can't be fixed without removing Lurantis

No stats and barely beats any of the Top Pokemon

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/3ccf333389cf1fab

I'm concerned about team synergy so I could really use some advice

[winter gulch]

just so you know you can't self activate defiant

[ornate cloak]

Ik

It's mainly because of how common Incineroar and Lando-T are

[cedar haven]

i will die before removing contrary

[dire drift]

Hello, pls rate my sun team
https://pokepast.es/38de7b0de54e6787

[cedar haven]

idk bout grassy surge

that overrides sun

[tulip totem]

terrain and weather are completely independent

you can have both

[celest salmon]

https://pokepast.es/077dbd46b8dc80f8 rate this latios team, very off-meta and weird but i like it + latios feels very solid, especially going into urshifu and the fake out bois

[dire drift]

That's new. Usually the first thing people say is to drop charizard 😂

But yeah terrain does not affect weather in this case

[cedar haven]

oh

also drop charkard

[wild sinew]

I know you're trying to go for something off meta but this just doesn't work.

Latios lacks protect, making it very vulnerable to the many things that threaten you. It isn't used offensively rn because Dragon Psychic is a poor offensive typing that barely hits anything in the meta, Landorus or Raging Bolt can just go it better.

Ogerpon and Amoonguss don't synergise well, 2 redirectors is in general kinda meh, and the two lose to each other's common checks (Flying shared weakness, poor into Entei, can't do anything into Grass types) Amoonguss would rather partner with Urshifu-R and Wellspring would rather partner with something like Kingambit.

Scarf Incineroar is bad, because being locked into Fake Out is horrible, one of the big reasons Incineroar is so good is that it can come in, click fake out, and then weaken you with Parting Shot, recycling Intimidate and Fake Out.

Acrobatics Chien-Pao is inconsistent thanks to priority, and it doesn't help with many matchups as you already hit Grass for SE and lose to most of the fightings. Sacred Sword helps you hit Kingambit and Incineroar, Throat Chop blocks Parting Shot and hits Gholdengo / Indeedee, but Acrobatics is only working on like Hearthflame and 50/50 into Urshifu-S out of the Top 30 Pokemon.

Calm Mind Flutter sucks because of its bulk, just use Gholdengo or Raging Bolt when looking for set up, Flutter Mane is best doing immidiete damage with Specs or Booster, Life Orb is bad btw as you usually invest to live crucial calcs

[wild sinew]

Ninetales is useless, can be Flutter Mane

Charizard is dollar store Chi-Yu

Run Covert Cloak for more consistently getting up sun, and Fake Tears over Taunt so you're not built like a worse Tornadus.

[dire drift]

Appreciate this thank you.

I'm running taunt for slower tornaduses that consistently set Rain after I set Sun. Any thoughts on getting around that instead of Taunt?

[wanton abyss]

I think mental herb+taunt on torn is fine

[wild sinew]

If you want Taunt I'd just use Tornadus imo

Just a lot better statwise

[dire drift]

Okay I can try that. Ninetales was my Drought user to set sun early. Should I consider another Drought user like torkoal? Or drop Drought for another attacker like Flutter and rely on whims/torn for sun?

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/a7becc0266913c7c for the newest newbie

a tailwind on a tr team newbie

[wild sinew]

The latter, they're generally underwhelming Pokemon (unless Torkoal in tr) and the team doesn't need to commit to sun

[cedar haven]

a does not know what stab is newbie

[dire drift]

Cool thanks, I'll make these changes

[cedar haven]

https://pokepast.es/56664a360d1abeac

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cedar haven]

cmon man

[wild sinew]

Don't use snow

[cedar haven]

okay but if i did

hows the team

[wild sinew]

Well

It's Bad, because it's snow

[cedar haven]

okay but as a snow team

is it good

[fossil jolt]

This team has been working but I feel like it could just be better I just don't know how to do it https://pokepast.es/7e4a7edc0d1915b7

[warped tide]

Your mons have better versions

Like Farigiraf > Porygon2 and Literally every other Expanding Force user > Metagross & Slowbro

Your Archaludon doesnt have rain so its viability is pretty gutted

Your kinda just tryna do too many gimmicks at the same time

[fossil jolt]

The main thing is trick room with coverage

But I guess your right

I'll try and rework the team

[warped tide]

Also no Fake Out on Rillaboom…

Trick Room is pretty pog

I dont think its that popular rn since every team seems to have tailwind instead so you can pop off with it

You really just need a better trick room setter like Farigiraf, Indeedee, or Oranguru depending on which mon(s) you want to abuse trick room

[fossil jolt]

Yeah

I'm still learning but I think I've gotten better

Just need to iron out the kinks

[warped tide]

Just a heads up if you wanna use trick room as your main core have mons like Flutter Mane as a mon thats actually good outside of trick room

[fossil jolt]

Ok

[snow jacinth]

My Kommo-o team https://pokepast.es/8ccc2953cb93b7f1

[dense nebula]

if im leading tornadus rilla its more of a benefit to espeed the tornadus right?

[urban cloak]

https://pokepast.es/fb2508f1a804df3d

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[urban cloak]

i like this team but i only have a 53% winrate any noteable edits i should make?

or is it just skill issue

[ornate cloak]

https://pokepast.es/46c9e886fffd5db6

The team has been doing good but idk if it's fully optimal

[ornate cloak]

Why Hammer Arm Ursuluna, Ik HA reduces speed but even then and Porygon2 over Cress?;

[warped tide]

For the Blueberry Prologue competition
https://pokepast.es/322d65f0be2dc60a

[wild sinew]

Would highly recommend using pre existing teams to learn the format, you'll find out stuff like Clear Amulet Entei and HDB are useless, you'll find that Kommo o needs redirection, etc

[wild sinew]

Tera Ghost/Grass Ursaluna, with SD/Shadow Claw. You appreciate dodging weaknesses as you already do plenty of damage, and hammer arm hits nothing.

Pirygon2 prefers Tera Blast over Tri Attack and a defensive Tera like Ghost or Fairy, giving you stab into Flutter Mane or Urshifu remaining a threat.

Run Careful Incineroar, and invest half of the speed and some of the speed into SpD.

Honestly go Amoonguss over Rillaboom or Waterpon over Urshifu on this team, just much better synergy with Gambit while fitting into the team well.

[wild sinew]

I think Arc Amoonguss Ape is leaning a bit heavy on the justified mode and can't fully abuse Tailwind. Flutter Mane - Chi-Yu/Incineoar helps make the team more offensive and then you can slot in Raging Bolt for a better Urshifu mu. This gives you the option to run sunny day too

[ornate cloak]

Hm

I'll get started on the changes

[snow jacinth]

https://pokepast.es/64263355a34262e3

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[topaz mountain]

https://pokepast.es/1f07e0d0b6ef7fc2

this any good

[fresh flicker]

Before someone else comes in to help you, ALWAYS, put Sash on pao, it's very fragile,

The extra power is not worth it like in Singles

[wild sinew]

Iron Defense Body Press is the better Kommo-o set.

Run Strength Sap over Shadow Ball, doesn't really do much for Sinistcha

Run Rillaboom over Iron Hands on this composition for terrain and being more aggressive.

Pao doesn't have any synergy with the team and is better off as Calm Mind Raging Bolt, keeping an electric type and a Gholdengo/Urshifu answer, the things Kommo-o hates the most.

[wild sinew]

Bundle and Gambit just add extra fighting weaknesses when you don't have a resist and it becomes a pain to manage. Flutter Mane over Kingambit gives you a switch in and if you need the speed control, Icy Wind is great on Specs sets. Then Iron Bundle is better off as Scarf Urshifu-R, synergising with all of your Pokemon.

With that you can put Focus Sash on Chien-Pao which is recommended, especially in this meta.

Smaller notes include Raging Bolt using far less SpA, you have Calm Mind so you should really only be going up to 100+ SpA and can use the rest of the EVs to calc for Chien-Pao and Flutter Mane.

Chien-Pao prefers 4 hp rather than 4 Def to maximise chances of living Surging Strikes.

[urban cloak]

cress is too reliant on support

[dense nebula]

https://pokepast.es/0dccbe157be316f0

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[dense nebula]

Sorry, wrong paste

https://pokepast.es/ba9007fc17a51d04

Correct one ^. Still working on evs

[ornate cloak]

Instead of thunderbolt you could maybe use Tera grass Tera blast on Flutter

Maybe use Tera normal on Kommo-o with Clang soul, Clang Scales, Boomburst, protect

If ur using offense Rillaboom, use something like GGlide, Knock-Off, U-turn fake out

[ornate cloak]

But ideally you wanna use AV with this set

Tera fire on Rillaboom perhaps

And use Tera flying Lando-T with Tera blast instead of eq

Sunny day is kinda pointless just for flutter, you're much better using booster energy or focus sash, maybe use Rain dance with Tera Steel, on Torn-I

Use protect instead of Giga Drain with Tera Dark/Tera Water on Amogus and re-EV it

[dense nebula]

I like the current set xd

Catches people off guard

[dense nebula]

How about this fun set to pair with kommo o

Perish song instead of tbolt and soundproof on kommo o

Do i want to replace anything for Urshifu

[chilly jasper]

What???

Flutter does it's job very well

[ornate cloak]

Thunderbolt tho?

[chilly jasper]

It's job is to tera fairy dazzling or moonblast

[ornate cloak]

Tera grass to prevent spore

[chilly jasper]

With it's middling defensive presence it's better to go full offensive

[ornate cloak]

Ik

But thunderbolt?

Isn't Tera blast just better

[chilly jasper]

That isn't something I recommend either

Don't do either of those

The only coverage/non stab flutter ever runs is mystical fire or icy wind for speed control

[ornate cloak]

Dazzling Gleam, Moonblast, Shadow Ball and smth

[chilly jasper]

And that's only really on specs

Booster and plate run two fairy moves and shadow ball

[ornate cloak]

In a lot of VGC videos I've seen people run Tera blast with an offensive Tera type

[chilly jasper]

Who??

I've never seen that personally

It might be a thing but like, flutter kinda just wants to 1-2hko everything with dazzling gleam

I won't lie I may just be misinformed as I am not an expert

Looks like it used to use defensive teras in early vgc

[tropic tinsel]

I think I did a good job, every mon here has less that 500 BST: https://pokepast.es/c9800a637690018a

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Icy Wind > Thunderbolt > Power Gem > Misty Terrain > Trick Room > Perish Song > Protect > Mystical Fire/Tera Blast

Is probably the Order of last moves for Specs FM

[chilly jasper]

Literally no way specs flutter is running protect over mystical fire

[lost phoenix]

what is mystical fire hitting

might i ask

[simple valve]

https://pokepast.es/f819ae2d165c6ad8

just need help on evs

[chilly jasper]

Honestly a good point, gambit ig?

[lost phoenix]

mystical fires effective is about the same as that of moonblast, and mystical fire gives gambit defiant

[chilly jasper]

So true

I forget that flutter beats every prominent steel already

[wanton abyss]

scizor

gotta get that 4x

[chilly jasper]

Is Scizor still viable?

[wanton abyss]

no.

but in case it is…

you’re prepared

[dense nebula]

finished dlc storyline. collecting the legendary treats

anything specific for vgc

[dire drift]

Entei and Terrakion, maybe others. Most of the snackmons are banned in Reg F

[dense nebula]

Oh shoot

[hasty owl]

Y can’t I use raging bolt in showdown

[burnt surge]

the paradox beasts are guaranteed minimum 20 ivs in each stat

[hasty owl]

Oh so now they’re kinda bad

Oh ok makes sense

[burnt surge]

yeah they either have 20 ivs or 31 capped ivs

[hasty owl]

Is it the same for the future ones

Iron crown and stuff

[burnt surge]

actually wait

it's for the paradox legends introduced in dlc2

so gouging, raging, crown, and boulder

and I guess wake and leaves aren't impacted by this?

(my source is a singular reddit post so it could just be wrong)

[fresh kindle]

yeah, you're correct

[hasty owl]

Ok

I need to fix up my team then

https://pokepast.es/541d5a0c386ef3cb

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hasty owl]

I need a replacement to raging bolt

[burnt surge]

why do you need to replace raging bolt

just make its attack iv 20

wait why do you have 20 attack evs

it's never gonna use them

[hasty owl]

Oh ivs

I thought u meant evs

[burnt surge]

yeah

[neat otter]

https://pokepast.es/97383eed3e9a315e

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @wild sinew, @austere wasp, @hot wren, @wanton abyss, @distant stump, @north tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[rich pebble]

https://pokepast.es/8c7ee05e61b9a990

my first attempt at an aurora veil/snow team

[celest salmon]

https://pokepast.es/ae7da0ab22f85b9c
the team consists of mostly just typical reg f fellows, but there's a wildcard in soul dew latios. i feel like it has so much damage potential (single target tho) and has great coverage moves. i'd love to receive any comments and/or mons replacement (idk whether rillaboom or incineroar is better for this team, rilla ogerpon might be better idk help me plez)