#VGC Rates

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gentle lagoon
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i managed to play around an urshifu dark but idk it feels like that's a big check to this team

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also i got messed up pretty bad by annihilape but i think that's just me being bad

wild sinew
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Going Tera Fairy on Gholdengo is also an option

prime mountain
drifting onyxBOT
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wild sinew
# prime mountain silly reg f tail room, would appreciate feedback https://pokepast.es/d71b1e5bcc8...

You want an attacking move on Cresselia over Protect or Ally Switch to not be a sitting duck (sitting duck haha). Things like breaking Pao's Sash or hitting Amoonguss/Urshifu does wonders.

Whimsicott just looks like a worse Tornadus here

Iron Hands Landorus feels too passive/slower paced for Tailwind or Trick Room, using Incineroar keeps their defensive qualities and gives you a free slot for something like Urshifu or Gholdengo which can make more use of Tailwind.

fathom token
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(I forgot to put stellar tera to salamence instead of flying, so when you see em, just think he's using tera stellar)

wild sinew
fathom token
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I firstly looked up every single new mon added with the DLC. I wanted to make a team that, instead of taking advantage of the newcomers, actually countered potential threats.
For example, there's competitive empoleon, that benefits from a possible lando, h-arcanine or most importantly, a incineroar (obv because of intimidate)
Apart from countering, I also did choose one of the new mons - Regirock
I wanted to spice up the team with the big ol heavy defense body press, and this legend just came in clutch with his whopping 200 base defense.

At the same time I chose the team, I also thought about the classic fire water grass core, with rila being grass (also giving fake out support and ground type coverage), empoleon water, and chi-yu fire (glass cannon style).

To finish it all, I chose salamence for tailwind/intimidate, and to play a bit with the stellar tera having three powerfull (exept for air slash) different typing moves. I felt like my team needed a bit of speed control support but without giving up in strength, that's why I fullied it with tailwind salamence.
And last but not least, there's brutte bonnet. I personally think this lil guy is the most underrated paradox mon. He's got a bad typing, I know that, and maybe protosynthesis doesn't combine well with a spore support, but if you add a bit of the sucker punch spice, close combat, a sitrus berry, and a good coverage tera (there's also the option of fire tera, but I think that protecting from fighting type is priority) bonnet can do some pretty funny stuff.

And yeah, that's it. I usually have a creative process when building teams, having a idea of a mon or a concept that can be broken, and start building from there.
This time tho, I worked a bit harder and complimented the meta a bit more with how I wanted the team to look.

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Oh wow that's a lot of text, sorry 😅

balmy valley
drifting onyxBOT
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balmy valley
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💀

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actually pinged

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oops

wild sinew
# fathom token I firstly looked up every single new mon added with the DLC. I wanted to make a ...

Admirable but you'll run into a few issues

Regirock's typing is pretty eh, being weak to Surging Strikes is very bad for an iron defence pokemon. There are more reliable pokemon using the same set up, but most effective set up in general would be Gholdengo or Kingambit, a lot of IDBP struggles right now due to Flutter Mane, special attackers, and/or the holes in their typings

Empoleon is a very bad water imo, outclassed by Coil Milotic who isn't that good itself. You'll usually not see the two because the popular intimidate counter would be Kingambit, and the water is usually something that blatantly Ignores it like Urshifu-Rapid-Strike.

I'm not sure I find Chi-Yu appealing here, it's a bit frail and has anti-synergy with the team's playstyle. Then again a majority of my dislike is that Incineroar is so good.

Salamence does seem fine here, if you were to switch to Incineroar though, you'd be interested in something like Iron Hands or Raging Bolt who still keep pressure on Urshifu and synergise better with Incineroar

Those are the issues with Brute Bonnet, the typing and ability makes it hard to compete with Amoonguss, and with the release of the Teal Mask DLC, we got an offensive redirector in an Ogerpon taking over Brute Bonnet's only niche

Just some of my thoughts

wild sinew
# balmy valley https://pokepast.es/478d806220c5ee0e Kingambit balance Reg F thing

You really want Rillaboom over Iron Hands on these teams, it's asking for a death wish when you stack 3 ground weaknesses and 0 resists, mainly run into Lando I Tailwind problems.

I don't like Goggles Tera Grass Incin, you want one or thee other and then a more solid Tera Type/Item

How's Bundle been for you? Booster giving it pretty much one shot sounds troublesome, see most of these teams run Scarf Shifu instead to apply the same pressure and synergise with the balance core.

But rest of the team should be fine

steady wing
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Hey. I 'm trying to get back in the Pokemon scene, after being gone from it for years. I'm unsure as to what's happening on the competitive scene, and I'm not sure if "mentors" are available, but I would definitely like some helpful advice on the potentiality of this competitive team, and strategies to consider. etc. it is something that i compiled quickly yesterday. i've been battling in errr VGC 2024 reg f? [are the competitive pokemon battles all 2 v 2's now? ] but thank you in advance

https://pokepast.es/d6387d159f7b986d

wild sinew
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I don't think the team can be fixed without destroying it unfortunately so I'd recommend taking pre existing teams

steady wing
wild sinew
steady wing
balmy valley
wild sinew
balmy valley
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I... actually haven't had problems with that
any other suggestions over Hands

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i get what you're saying about the ground weak

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but kingambit has usually been enough to just straight up OHKO them after Fake Out chip

wild sinew
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If you don't like Rilla Amoon you could try Rilla Waterpon

balmy valley
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hmm

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will test

balmy valley
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okay back

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Ogerpon is good

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Kingambit is the true MVP in this reg, its carried 90% of my games

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after defiant proc + sd + tera dark it does like8 0% to Incineroar (which... is not surprising)

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+3 252+ Atk Black Glasses Tera-Dark Kingambit Kowtow Cleave vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Incineroar: 177-209 (87.6 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

sharp aurora
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I want to make a team for single battles and I wanted to know if this Pokémon are good for a team? Blaziken, Archaludon, Porygon-Z, Metagross, Gliscor and Hydrapple

wild sinew
tulip totem
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^ OU 6v6 rates are closed right now, but if you wanted to ask in #comp-general or #comp-general-2 someone there might be willing to rate it

late thicket
drifting onyxBOT
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true gull
late thicket
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I’m sorry but what’s the difference (I’m new to all this)

high summit
high summit
late thicket
high summit
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Yes

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Female is bulkier

late thicket
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Oh I didn’t know

true gull
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Doubles OU is smogon’s 2v2 6v6 format, VGC is nintendo’s format

high summit
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Male is faster and has better attack

late thicket
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Oooh

high summit
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Vgc is also at level 50 and is teams of 6 4v4

wild sinew
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Main issue is that the 6 is unviable

late thicket
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Idk I was seeing different champion ships a lot of time and I saw indeedee using follow me

late thicket
wild sinew
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Why do you need a Thunder user

late thicket
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For rain dance

high summit
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Archaludon learns electro shot

late thicket
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Sense I checked and thunder has 100% acc in rain dance

high summit
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It is the only pokemon that learns it

true gull
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imo Halo, you’re better off looking at samples for some singles metagames and if you wanna dabble in VGC, you’re best off watching some videos on the teams that are used, WolfeVGC is a great poketuber to watch for VGC and PokeAimMD is great for singles (and draft)

high summit
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Its higher BP, 1 turn in rain, and gives +1 spatk

late thicket
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It looks really fun and cool

tulip totem
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<victoryroadvgc.com> has a lot of teams and resources for new players, including teams that have recently won large tournaments

true gull
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try to snag one of his regional teams or what aria said

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Just don’t pick any of the perishtrap teams, they’re insanely difficult to execute

late thicket
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Eh idk I have a thing that I just don’t like to copy others (I can’t explain it it’s legit a thing my brain refuses to do)

true gull
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Everyone copies off each other

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It’s how metagames develop

high summit
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You are extremely unlikely to be the first one to come up with a set that is viable

true gull
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In fact, copying is actively encouraged since you can figure out the ins and outs of a team

tulip totem
true gull
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It’s not copying or plagiarism and it’s definitely not wrong

high summit
chilly jasper
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Going in blind is not the best idea, even when you are experienced you still want to bounce ideas off others

true gull
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If you go in blind you’ll get smashed and not enjoy it

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And not know why

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Using a sample team, a proven good team, will show clear faults in your own play and decision making

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And that’s how you enjoy metagames, you learn them with an proven solid team

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Then you start cooking once you have a bit of familiarity

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You can tweak EVs, sets and team composition

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But it’s a huge learning curve and not encouraged for beginners, what works on paper doesn’t always work in practice

late thicket
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Eh I mean I don’t have violet currently, but I survived played it off of a friend and I will get it for Christmas, only problem for me is I don’t have online

tulip totem
true gull
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Link?

high summit
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Showdown has a vgc format

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You will need the game if you want to play in tournaments though

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I don’t think smogon can host vgc tours

late thicket
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Yeah like I said I’m getting violet for Christmas from a friend

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And I know not everything that works on paper doesn’t work in practice which is why all my ideas are only “rough sketches”

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Cause I know that may not work and I may have to adjust things to make it stronger

tulip totem
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Made in gen 8 but most of the information should still be pretty accurate

true gull
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Probably needs a major update

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Since tera is now the main thing

late thicket
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Hehe but yeah the team I suggested was just a rough idea

tulip totem
late thicket
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Epically sense I didn’t know of a slow electric used that had a move that benefits from rain dance

true gull
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I’m gonna be a bit brutal but that team of 6 is going to thrown around like this

late thicket
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Eh that’s why I call it rough ideas

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I always like to try adjusting stuff before I call it a failure for me

true gull
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Take it from the experienced people here. Do not use that 6.

late thicket
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Why not???

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Just curious

tulip totem
true gull
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Mimikyu with Rain Dance and Sunny Day is such low cohesion, also trick room, when most VGC games are at most 10-15 turns, you’re spending 20% of it taking damage and setting up a weather and trick room

late thicket
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That’s why I died mimikyu with a indeedee with follow me and eject button

true gull
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Indeedee’s set is fine shockingly, though give it Psych Seed for bulk and expanding force for an offensive presence

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Did it get expanding back?

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I think it did

tulip totem
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Yeah I’m fairly sure it did

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I’ll check serebii rq

late thicket
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Cause if I use rain dance, I use the water and electric, if I use rain dance I can use the fire Pokémon which is the whole point

true gull
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Torkoal just needs to run specs eruption with trick room and it’s nuking shit

late thicket
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Very well

tulip totem
true gull
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Only male that’s booty cheeks

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Run male indeedee then and psych seed

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That’ll probs do fine, might throw a wrench in calcs

late thicket
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But that’s why I use mimikyu as it can take a hit before it take damage

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Only thing I was very iffy on is items

true gull
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What AV for on torkoal

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I’m curious lol

late thicket
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AV?

true gull
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You put av on torkoal

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Assault Vest

late thicket
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Oh just for extra bulk as I built him to be a major special attack so I wanted to make sure he had bulk to him

true gull
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Torkoal is very bulky physically it’s spdef is serviceable

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Deadass run specs eruption it just kills things

late thicket
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Yeah from what I read assault vest boosts special defense

true gull
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it does

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1.5x boost

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But you’re better giving item that to Iron Hands or Hisuian Arcanine

late thicket
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Alrighty but I also ran crugledge for physical power as Tork did special attack

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I think I did the same for the water/thunder ones as well

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But good to know for tork

true gull
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Both lose to Urshifu-Rapid, Hisuian Arcanine, Hands probably 2hkos Ceruledge with wild charge, Ogerpon-Wellspring is murdering everything

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and those pokemon are suuuuper common

late thicket
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That’s….water??

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Right?

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For ogerpon

true gull
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Yeah you wanna be prepped for the common pokemon

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If you aren’t you lose off match-up usually

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there’s a reason they’re common

late thicket
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I also forgot to change Tera typing as well for them

tulip totem
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if you're dedicated to the trick room style ursaluna is an incredibly strong attacker under it

late thicket
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So Tera might be off

true gull
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Halo if i gave your team some tweaking, would you use that instead? It’d have to be later i’m out crimbo shopping

late thicket
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Sure^^

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I’m always open for suggestions and help in my team

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To make it better

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And it’s not like I could build the team anyway currently cause I don’t have violet

true gull
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Hence why showdown is your best friend

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The best players use it to test ideas

late thicket
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I thought so, I mean if anything, I would probably just make a sleep team with darkrai in it sense I have always wanted to make a team where darkrai is the ace but this team popped into my head so I wanted to make that one then the darkrai team

true gull
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i don’t think darkrai will be legal

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Not until a restricted format is announced

late thicket
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Dame

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I have always wanted to use darkrai sense I first saw him and now I have him

chilly jasper
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Mythicals are never legal
Except specifically melmetal last gen

late thicket
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Dame TwT

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Sadge

fathom token
# wild sinew Admirable but you'll run into a few issues Regirock's typing is pretty eh, bein...

I see then. I also liked regirock cuz to top it all it also had 80HP and 100sp.def, its like... man, that's hard to get out the field. But I kinda also felt how pure rock type with 50 base speed was gonna be bad. I think that nasty plot dengo can be good here then, yeah.

So just, in general, there might not be any actual good competitive (ability) mon?
I also liked articuno-g but I didn't like the typing. Hmm....
I see what you mean with kingambit, that guy is really strong if you let em set up. But hear me out, what about base oger (grass)?? I can put em a miracle seed and grassy glide, and then it can just go with rilla's big monke hands.

True. I would change chi-yu to inci, but there's too many phisical attackers. Maybe heatran here? Seems like a good choice with his bulk, ability and high sp.atk. It may be too slow tho...

Hmm... this is interesting. If I change bonnet with heartflame oger I can full the water grass fire core, and then change chi-yu with a more viable option. Its sad, I wanted to give em a chance here, bonnet can even carry games ngl.

I'll apply these changes and see how it goes.

wild sinew
cunning nexus
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how would you build iron crown? I tried seeing if this could be good

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i havent tried it though

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it gets bullied by incineroar though without tera

thorn gust
fathom token
fathom token
# cunning nexus how would you build iron crown? I tried seeing if this could be good

You definitely shouldn't use it in tr style, iron crown is just too fast to play in tr
I like the idea of expanding force tho, change the indeedee to be more defensive (doesn't need that much sp.atk being a support) and change one of her attacking moves for helping hand.
Then with iron crown, maybe you could try it out with scarf and a bit of speed investment a quick expanding force mon will surely be a good threat.

wild sinew
cunning nexus
fathom token
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👍

wild sinew
cunning nexus
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oh ok thanks

fathom token
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Leo, this is what I've got so far with the team
https://pokepast.es/081bd4abba77070d
I'm still thinking if I should or not get rid of brute bonnet for something like a wellspring oger, then replace the regular oger with kingambit

wild sinew
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2 special attackers is plenty honestly, vgc is usually not picky with that

fathom token
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WOAH
I was searching for a good ground physical attacker when I saw rhyperior...
That bitch was the lord of sword and shield vgc, I still remember it
Do you think it fits here? - https://pokepast.es/dfc7f58536828530

severe basin
drifting onyxBOT
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steady wing
pulsar trout
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this isnt the right channel for uber rates

formal plank
wild sinew
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What happened to the rest of the raters...

wild sinew
# severe basin https://pokepast.es/2e76c9d1b62e4b1a

No reason to use lagging tail on Tornadus and doom yourself in the mirror, Covert Cloak Tera Steel or Mental Herb Tera Ghost are your best friends. U-turn is unnecessary and you'll benefit from Taunt, or go for rocky helmet to break Pao's Sash and punish Urshifu, where you want protect for fake out.

Archaludon is in general a worse Gholdengo on Tornadus rain, as you're not guaranteed to set it and when you don't, Archaludon will be dead weight. Gholdengo functions well without rain

Hydreigon is better off as a Landorus-I here for a manageable Raging Bolt matchup and as a partner to Gholdengo, it hits most of the things that want to take on Gholdengo (Steel resists such as Iron Hands, Heatran, Incineroar, opposing Gholdengo, Raging Bolt again).

Urshifu needs Close Combat over Drain Punch for certain kos and Punching glove has anti synergy with unseen fist, it means pokemon can protect vs Surging Strikes. Mystic Water is the preferable boosting item.

Amoonguss wants protect over giga drain for positioning, and if not, leaf storm or sludge bomb so you can actually pick up kos, with a more defensive EV spread.

Incineroar benefits more from something like a Sitrus Berry or Safety Goggles, is never really afraid of Taunt.

wild sinew
late spire
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where do I go for gen 5 doubles? I don't know what any of the acronyms mean

grave wharf
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Hi, I made a new team and I’m decently new to vgc, how can I make this team better in general, thank you.

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pulsar trout
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Use pokepaste 😭

sterile flame
drifting onyxBOT
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pulsar trout
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U dont rly need scarf on urshifu cus ur have torn

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And i believe whims is gonna be better then torn

fresh flicker
drifting onyxBOT
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burnt surge
drifting onyxBOT
winter gulch
versed root
drifting onyxBOT
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versed root
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please ignore the fact that I forgot to change amoonguses tera

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i just realized it

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also, any recommendations for what to do with politoed

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or should i get a different rain setter

wanton abyss
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Thanks for sharing your team! It’s a solid 6. You’ve got enough power to break through a good amount of teams. I can see you struggling into Raging Bolt balance compositions. You are also lacking consistent speed control, and Politoed, bless his little froggy heart, is threatened by a crap ton of stuff and can’t click icy wind consistently

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I’d say go even bulkier on Politoed, or invest in Pelipper stocks and go tailwind on it with wide guard. There’s also the option of manual Prankster rain, which comes down to Tornadus (good) or Sableye (spicy)

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Also, your Archuladon spread pisses me off. please EV it differently, and Tera Fighting for the Body Press damage boost isn’t worth it

versed root
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yea i get that

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What should I change it to?

wanton abyss
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Most I’m seeing are going Tera Fairy. I like Tera Grass or Tera bug if real personally. At this point in the meta, it’s up to personal taste

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aka what do you really want your Archuladon to smack

versed root
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btw is stamina body press a legit build or should I give up on that concept

wanton abyss
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no that’s legit

versed root
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I found it to be useful against snarl spam

wanton abyss
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free +2 basically every game just for existing

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they should have given Archuladon Stored Power or Power Trip so I could click it with +6 defense +6 spatk 😦

versed root
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lol

wanton abyss
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but yeah I think the team is solid

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Big believer in Lando I basically needing speed control

versed root
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btw whats a good ev spread for av arch

wanton abyss
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I like living Tera fairy specs moonblast with mine, and +2 body press coming close to the OHKO on unsuspecting Incin

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there’s also some +1 calcs you can hit post Electro Shot

mint pilot
rotund carbon
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https://pokepast.es/e851f30272270db4 im just tryna figure out a good bouild for raging bolt, this lives bulky specs tera fairy fluttermane moonblast and i put rest evs into spa cuz f it idk what im doing. this is going on a excadrill ttar team so i go weather ball for more coverage. just wanna know if ppl think im going in the right direction here

mint pilot
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you could also go tera poison for a flutter mane resist but then you'd still have a ground weakness

rotund carbon
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i want tera fire to hit steel types tho

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i might go something else maybe

mint pilot
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maybe a sun setter since youre already using weather ball

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  • you get a protosynthesis boost from that
wanton abyss
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emphasis on Tera fairy for general defensive purpose. grass also works if you really hate Amoonguss. I love weather ball + sun setter

runic turret
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wild sinew
runic turret
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ohh alr

mint pilot
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balmy valley
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Would suggest going full rain here and dropping Chi-Yu for Amoonguss

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also Stellar Tera is kind of viable on Archaludon since it's AV, it gets the Tera STAB boost on all its moves (and realistically, you're only clicking Electro Shot once, and a stellar +1 Electro Shot nukes basically everything)

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although if Fairy's been working it's fine

jagged thicket
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Is this team still Ok for the new meta?

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wild sinew
# jagged thicket https://pokepast.es/ac2c8c8623186e24

Incineroar is better than Harcanine here for its available urility, and with that change you can use Choice Band on Dragonite which is a lot more reliable this Regulation to speed up the pace.

Incineroar's change also triples dark types so you'd benefit from Kingambit becoming a Flutter Mane, Choice Specs or SpA Booster Energy

Your Amoonguss should never have so much offensive investment, invest it in defence and replace Clear Smog with Pollen Puff, you don't need it, as for Grass Knot, either go Leaf Storm for an Urshifu ohko or Protect

acoustic slate
wild sinew
# mint pilot https://pokepast.es/6bd1b380c9f9c0f3 thoughts on my dual weather team?

Duel weather is much harder to play rn, I'd suggest going rain like Snom said

You want Flutter Mane to be a SpA Booster Energy for the damage, as you're not supporting Chi-Yu anymore. Chi-Yu is better off as Rillaboom for this composition.

Archaludon is not very good outside of Pelipper Rain though, Landorus-I or Chien-Pao are better Raging Bolt checks and synergise plenty with your team.

wild sinew
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Almost every fire is hard to use because of Incineroar but Emboar really doesn't bring anything

acoustic slate
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I suppose

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But still, I’m just wondering if the team is good

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Like, the foundation of the team

jagged thicket
mint pilot
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i’ll also play around with the idea of lando-i and chien-pao, would you happen to have a lando set?

jagged thicket
pulsar trout
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dont u want a different tera for fm and incin

jagged thicket
pulsar trout
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i think ud want tera water

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idk what the hot incin tera is

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also do u need uturn & parting shot on the same set

jagged thicket
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Nvm honestly

wild sinew
wild sinew
wild sinew
versed root
wild sinew
versed root
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also, rocky helmet on amoongus is mainly for countering urshifu

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is it really worth replacing it with sitrus

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i guess it is better for most general matchups

wild sinew
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You do have Archaludon's Electro Shot and Lando's Earth Power

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Hell you have your own Tera Grass Tera Blast Urshifu lol

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And Hurricane Pelipper who also walls Urshifu if its necessary

versed root
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Also, while not directly teambuilding related, I feel as if I’m not using incin enough, as it seems as if almost every team has a defiant/competitive mon. Any advice on positioning around them with incin?

burnt surge
wild sinew
pulsar trout
chilly jasper
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Oof this is absolutely just fodder for flutter man

pulsar trout
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I think its cus i had harc on it b4 i replaced it with incin

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Shit ma

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Man

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I forgot the tera on incin

distant stump
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Those are my suggestions

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Ninetales synergieses much more with dozogiri than glim

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the coverage is really usefull into threats like urshifu dark and chien pao

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it takes less time to set up veil

pulsar trout
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When u said ninetales i thought u meant kanto 9tails

distant stump
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and you have good supportive moves like encore

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Ah sorry A tales

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Alolan ninetales

pulsar trout
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All good

distant stump
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Dont run tatsu droopy

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just run the attack booster one

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Tera grass dozo is pretty bad

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the spore immunity is nice but grass's defensive weaknesses are really bad for dozo

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you become even more weak to torn shifu, chien pao, basically all intimidators, and dont get the offensive damage from tera dragon order up

pulsar trout
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Do i do tera blast < substitute

distant stump
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which you need for a lot of calcs

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yes

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substitute is very usefull into spore and for setting up when the opponent is playing passive

pulsar trout
distant stump
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as a dozogiri player trust me you will find sub tera dragon better

distant stump
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Also the evs are a bit wack

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theres a incin spread somewhere in this thread, and while they are a bit old the sets from here are pretty good

pulsar trout
distant stump
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It has far more offensive pressure and synergiess very well with most of the major tailwind abusers like urshifu

pulsar trout
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Oh

pulsar trout
distant stump
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?

pulsar trout
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Im as confused as u r

distant stump
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What happened

pulsar trout
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I think the link is for reg e

distant stump
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I should ask about that

pulsar trout
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Also what fm set do i use

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In guessing offensive booster or bulky booster energy

distant stump
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consider sash or choice specs

distant stump
pulsar trout
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Is booster speed 252spatk 252speed timid

distant stump
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something like 28 hp 228 defense 132 special attack 4 special defense 132 speed timid

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drop special attack if im wrong

pulsar trout
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Oh that set

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I rmebr that at the back.of my hand

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pulsar trout
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I think this is the final product

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Never teambuilding on a phone again

distant stump
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danm

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I think its fine

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if you give me a second I'll send some of my personal spreads

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that I reccomened

pulsar trout
distant stump
# pulsar trout Alr thx

Incineroar
EVs: 228 HP / 20 Atk / 100 Def / 76 SpD / 84 Spe
Careful Nature

Glimmora
EVs: 116 HP / 20 Def / 124 SpA / 236 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature

Ninetales-Alola
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 52 SpA / 92 SpD / 92 Spe
Timid Nature

Dondozo
EVs: 4 HP / 132 Atk / 44 Def / 84 SpD / 244 Spe
Adamant Nature

pulsar trout
distant stump
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GL with the team

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pulsar trout
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i should prolly put taunt > stun spore

wild sinew
# pulsar trout https://pokepast.es/ff01f06fdf919939 i heard lando i is good rn

Good team, and my changes aren't too big, but best way for this to function is;

For Whimsicott to become a Tornadus, Just outclasses it because it can preform everything it wants and has rain for Lando-I, big reason Lando-I is used is also how good it is into common Tornadus-Urshifu checks like Iron Hands and Raging Bolt, so ideal to pair them.

With that you want Urshifu over Iron Hands, better synergy with the team and its absence is mitigated through Incineroar and Ogerpon-Wellspring.

Incineroar also really doesn't need protect, Knock Off, Helping Hand, Snarl, Taunt, Will-O-Wisp etc bring more value

pulsar trout
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oh and the teras

wild sinew
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Ghost Tornadus

pulsar trout
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yea alr thx

distant stump
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I reccomend a bulkier Oger water spread

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and modest lando I

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and knock off on incin

pulsar trout
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whats the bulky wpon spread

distant stump
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I like this

pulsar trout
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thx

pulsar trout
distant stump
pulsar trout
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alr thx

dense nebula
pulsar trout
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splash plate or mystic water > punching glove on urshifu

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also protect > mystical fire on flutter

dense nebula
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Think ill keep punching glove for now just because im seeing alot of rocky helmet amoongus

pulsar trout
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Amoong beats urshufu rly

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I think team is very amoong weak

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I think ud want chien pao > ursaluna bm

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It works well with dnite

pulsar trout
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Usally urshifu is paired with tornadus cus bleakwind storm gets rid of all the grass types urshifu struggles against

dense nebula
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I'll put safety goggles on Gastrodon or make it tera grass

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And i'll fiddle with urshifu

pulsar trout
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U dint rly need gastro cus u got ogerpon

pulsar trout
dense nebula
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Water absorb doesnt do what storm drain does

spiral shale
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i wouldnt use it

dense nebula
spiral shale
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surging strikes is no longer contact -> cant trigger unseen fist

pulsar trout
dense nebula
spiral shale
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cc still works but you still want your surging strikes to hit

pulsar trout
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A think to keep in mind when building a vgc team is: if its not a holding a choice item or assult vest u should run protect or any variants

wild sinew
# dense nebula https://pokepast.es/1bcdef09982f3e04 vgc Reg f

Ursaluna-BM should be Life Orb here, you really need protect and don't want to struggle half the turns when you click Blood Moon.

Ogerpon -> Farigiraf to give Bloodmoon a trick room setter and give you overall speed control

Flutter Mane should be a SpA Booster Energy set with Protect over Mystical Fire and Moonblast over Calm Mind. Tera Fairy is ideal to get around other Flutter Mane.

Dragonite's ideal set is Banded Inner Focus rn, not really enough support in the team to help it click Dragon Dances, and it desperately wants the immidiete damage.

Punching Glove is bad on Urshifu because it makes it so Surging Strikes doesn't make contact, which means that it can't go through protect. Your best set on this team is probably Adamant Scarf

Gastrodon is unnecessary and has anti synergy here, it will redirect your own attacks restricting you from freely clicking Surging Strikes, especially with a Scarf set, and it makes your team very weak to Rillaboom. Incineroar would be a good addition here, as you have Dragonite and Farigiraf for an Urshifu check already

dense nebula
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ohh i forgot it gets inner focus

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i was just leading with dnite and ursaluna tera ghost to bait fakeout and hopefully get a free ko

dense nebula
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fluttermane*

pulsar trout
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U dont run calm mind on flutter usally

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I think ive seen once or twice but they never work out bery well

wild sinew
distant stump
dense nebula
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woops. didnt read that part

distant stump
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instead of just attacking with specs

pulsar trout
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Or booster spatk

dense nebula
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temper flare or flare blitz

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on incin

pulsar trout
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Isnt temper flare a special attack

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Ud want knock off i think

spiral shale
dense nebula
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alr

pulsar trout
dense nebula
dense nebula
pulsar trout
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Wait a minute isnt that gouging flares signature move

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Incin doesnt learn that

dense nebula
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no

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and it does learn it

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reg f

wild sinew
dense nebula
wild sinew
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Temper Flare is Fire type Stomping Tantrum, new move
Gouging Fire's signature move is a King's Shield that burns

dense nebula
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that ^

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not sure if surging strike goes through it tho

pulsar trout
dense nebula
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woops

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didnt see that

pulsar trout
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And i think stomping tanrum over earthquake

dense nebula
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wait

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wtf is dragon cheer??? is that from the new reg f format

dense nebula
wild sinew
dense nebula
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nvm missread what you said

pulsar trout
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Oh wait

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I misread

dense nebula
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nah its just 4am and i got off work an hour ago

pulsar trout
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Also dont forget to take out protect on flutter to

pulsar trout
dense nebula
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damn it

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energy ball?

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or psychic

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psyshock*

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not sure how it works with specs

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instead of spatk its defense or smthn

pulsar trout
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I forgot what it usally runs i think its psychic or something else

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Ill get yhe set rq

dense nebula
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ima do 1 test run then im going to bed

pulsar trout
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Its for ghold and.other water types

dusty sinew
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acoustic slate
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https://pokepast.es/629d86948cdbfe37 Fixed up my team a little bit after testing it on the ladder. Any tips? I know Emboar isn’t that good, but it’s actually been pulling its weight under trick room, as it hits like a brick shithouse.

dense nebula
potent onyx
digital sierra
wild sinew
dense nebula
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thanks

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i was leading with incin farigiraf for a bit but i keep running into some whack sets

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mainly skill swap no guard fissure

wanton abyss
wild sinew
wanton abyss
# digital sierra https://pokepast.es/3bb591e4c1c51ea6 perish trap team i made

Thanks for sharing your team! I think this is one of the ways you could run Perish Trap. I like sash Flutter as a Perish Song user, but I’m not sold on Primarina, especially stacking fairy offense. You have more than enough Fake Outs to pressure opponents, but you don’t really have a switch in to Flutter Mane, or a way to prevent Goth from being deleted by Mane or Gholdengo, your two most present issues

digital sierra
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i have considered roaring moon/heatran

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and i have also considered giving goth tera dark

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i also went with moonblast bc i couldnt figure out what other move i could put there

wanton abyss
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That’s the thing with Prim! It brings mostly offense to a team. If you really need the water coverage, you can keep it, but I personally suggest Scream Tail to make use of Disable

digital sierra
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i figured it could also be good with an ogre endgame (plus its a DLC mon so itll get lots of views on youtube)

digital sierra
wanton abyss
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don’t know what the EVs are supposed to do so I can’t say

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But they look nice and complicated

digital sierra
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aight

digital sierra
wanton abyss
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Hands is fine here tbh

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big fake out

digital sierra
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wait

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hear me out

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alluring voice over moonblast

potent onyx
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I also don’t know if Pelipper is worth keeping on that team in favor of tornadus for example

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If I keep Pelipper I feel like I need to have another member to take advantage of rain aside from Lando

plucky hinge
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Thoughts

wild sinew
sand minnow
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pulsar trout
wanton abyss
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that's just wrong

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suicune is fine

pulsar trout
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ive seen suicune in vgc ever tbh

wanton abyss
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this suicune set is bad for doubles

pulsar trout
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Torkoal has negitive senergy w/ the team

wanton abyss
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you'll generally be running tailwind snarl support

pulsar trout
wanton abyss
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heavy on the anti synergy with torkoal. you have two water types and a torkoal, you're nerfing your own damage

sand minnow
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Any ways I could fix this team. I'm down to listen to suggestions .

pulsar trout
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i think ur better w/ rain dance tornadus > torkoal

robust moon
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https://pokepast.es/f7ae0b1337921ce2 tried building something around quagsire. amoongus and galvantula are essentialy more agressive versions of sinistcha and araquanid respectively

sand minnow
plucky hinge
wild sinew
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But yes something like that is good

sand minnow
plucky hinge
sand minnow
wild sinew
# sand minnow https://pokepast.es/f65f50eda4d36021 built a set based around heavy slam metagro...

Metagross should go for a defensive Tera to get around its weaknesses

Ogerpon Wellspring is better for its role here, your Urshifu matchup is in particular poor.

Roaring Moon should be running Knock Off over Throat Chop. On a Tailwind set you want Tera Poison Breaking Swipe over Tera Flying Acrobatics for the utility

Ting Lu is not very good and already stacks weaknesses, consider Landorus-T to keep an Intimidator and a fighting resist.

Rillaboom prefers Miracle Seed over Lefties any day

plucky hinge
sand minnow
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tyvm for the feedback, ting lu probs isnt very good. gonna test the team and see how ruination tw feels into certian matchups. probably gonna replace him sadly tho

sand minnow
hasty owl
slate echo
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https://pokepast.es/944ffdedbd09a998 this is a general structure for a team, but don’t really know what evs and or Tera’s would be optimal as I haven’t played in a while, so if possible could someone suggest some ideas to optimise the general structure

distant stump
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you might want to consider something like dengo or lando I instead of Arch as it synergizes more with the team composition and doesen't need as much support

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or go for peli and amoonguss instead of torn and rilla if you want to lean more into rain

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then I reccomend miracle seed on rilla, you only have grass attacks anyways

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if you remove arch 100% go for AV

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for tera, its mostly up to you

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Tera fairy flutter, tera water urshifu, tera flying/ghost torn, and tera fairy/poison arch are pretty mandatory

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then incin can go water, grass, poison or fairy

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rilla can go poison, fire, water, or grass if your miracle seed

slate echo
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Ok cool, thanks

distant stump
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Why overqwill and bascu?

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and ape looks like it doesen't fit at all

hasty owl
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Ape is for beat up incase archaludon doesn’t work

slate echo
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The main structure of the team was just trying to utilise the 3 main core (fire, water, grass), (steel, dragon, fairy) and (dark, ghost, fighting)

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But I get what you mean

hasty owl
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Bascu won my a lot of games

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Same with ape

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Overqwill isn’t too helpful but sometimes it gets the job done

distant stump
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That strategy wont work the higher you get on ladder

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its very cheesy and people will have ways to handle rain and whims ape

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I would go for something like this if your running rain with arch

hasty owl
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Is there a way to fit whimscott in the team

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It’s super helpful w beat up

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And speed control

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It’s more so of a beat up team

distant stump
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Ehh

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I mean you can but I dont know

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I dont reccomend it

plucky hinge
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Beat up is kind meh especially when the opponent predicts it

plucky hinge
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With raging bolt

dense nebula
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kinda wana mess around with natures/evs

wild sinew
dense nebula
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ok

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dense nebula
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i could maybe make incin tera grass? idk

pulsar trout
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Ud prolly want tera grass and tera fairy on fm

dense nebula
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ud?

wild sinew
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Incineroar wants Safety Goggles here

dense nebula
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alr

dense nebula
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ill go fairy

wild sinew
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Farigiraf doesn't want most of its moves, Light Screen is better as Uproar, and Future sight is better as Imprison/Helping Hand/Nasty Plot

dense nebula
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kk

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why uproar?

winter gulch
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Hyper Voice no

pulsar trout
dense nebula
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yeah i figured that out

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should i keep farigiraf as tera fairy then or should i change it to steel or smthn

winter gulch
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Fairy is good

dense nebula
wild sinew
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Your Trick room mode esp doesn't like it

dense nebula
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uproar works on my side?

wild sinew
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Wakes everything up

dense nebula
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oh. thats so much better xD

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if im leading incin and farigiraf and i have ursaluna in my pocket should the last mon i pick be based on what my opponent has

wild sinew
dense nebula
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Anything better? Girafarig dnite and tera ghost ursaluna are immune to fake out leads

dense nebula
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Would gholdengo be better instead of fluttermane? It hard counters and tanks a good amount of hits

acoustic slate
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wild sinew
acoustic slate
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So what can I change about it

wild sinew
# acoustic slate So what can I change about it

Not sure, because I'd have to basically scrap the team
I can take Incin Archaludon and make it a rain team
I can take Incin Waterpon Hands and try a balance team
I can take Indd BM Wellspring and go for a Tailroom idea
BM Incineroar Wellspring and go for a semi-room idea, porygon over indd

No clear goal for the team makes an issue

acoustic slate
#

Let me try and take another shot at it after a bit of tweaking

acoustic slate
#

Went for a more full on trick room team approach this time

wild sinew
# acoustic slate https://pokepast.es/acb0a05becef6118 how’s this?

Better

Sitrus is better on Incineroar because of your available Tera and having a handful of pokemon be able to punish grounds.

Mixed on Iron Hands here, a fast mode in Scarf Urshifu-Rapid-Strike is better here, though keeping Iron Hands can also work as hard tr

Gambit is wasting EVs, invest 4 in speed from hp or move 4 from one of the defence into hp

Indeedee doesn't fit with the rest of the team and is better off as Amoonguss, a Wellspring if you wanted to keep Iron Hands

acoustic slate
#

Alright, ty

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Oh yeah one more question

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Is Tera normal fine to keep on porygon?

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I have a feeling Tera dark would be better to avoid tornadus’ prankster taunt

wild sinew
dense nebula
wild sinew
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I'd generally not recommend it for that team

dense nebula
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what would you change to add it?

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kinda wana work with it

pulsar trout
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if u wanna build around ghold u could use it on a rain team

dense nebula
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im just trying to figure out if anything gets a redirect move with psychic terrain and expanding force lol

pulsar trout
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indeedee???

dense nebula
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it doesnt seem to get follow me on showdown. does it learn it on violet?

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alr. it says it learns follow me naturally but it doesnt get expanding force in gen 9 anymore for whatever reason

pulsar trout
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yea i was gonna say

image.png
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the male doesnt get follow me so u were prolly using the male one

dense nebula
pulsar trout
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whyd u go ghold over fm

dense nebula
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kept losing speed ties and losing

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figured its a good counter

pulsar trout
#

kept loosing speedties w/ what mon?

dense nebula
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fluttermane v fluttermane

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mostly specs

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some scarf

pulsar trout
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i dont think ghold fixes that tbh

dense nebula
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no clue

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with tr setup i go first and one shot fm

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without it i lose

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its atleast smthn

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anyway its almost 5am. gn

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austere wasp
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You dont get anything with loaded dice

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Just use another item

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Cool strat for stamina and fist

ornate cloak
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Alr

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Focus Sash?

ornate cloak
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@austere wasp Focus sash would work on Whim?

austere wasp
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Sash is gud

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Or covert yeah

ornate cloak
ripe bronze
acoustic slate
#

@wild sinew I’ve got a question about my team that I’ve posted here before. Is it alright to have only 1 tr setter on my team? I feel like I need 2, but 1 may work as well, as from my testing it hasn’t been given me too many problems but that’s 99% because I’m low ladder

wild sinew
acoustic slate
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Alright

mint pilot
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https://pokepast.es/45389438a0b1a8ab
tried making a team centered around raging bolt, i've been having success but I want raging bolt to be more of a sweeper. I was thinking CM stuff with screens support but idk how well that would work, considering theres alot of weather stuff going on so idk the strength of A9 atm.

dense nebula
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kinda hard to use gholdengo with specs

wild sinew
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Not really

wanton abyss
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Flutter does what flutter does

austere wasp
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I used gholdengo and flutter

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Flutter is way better imo because theres a lot of raging bolts and walking wake

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Tho, depends on the team

dense nebula
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is there some sort of ev optimizer i can use

dense nebula
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if im wanting to use gholdengo

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dense nebula
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breh why is it pinging everyone again

dense nebula
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forgot to add tera types

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they are as in order
Dragon
Normal
Fire
Grass
Flying
Water

wild sinew
# dense nebula would this be a better team suited for it https://pokepast.es/383441b90ecd5a1d

This looks like it can work

Gholdengo wants protect over psyshock for survivability and positioning

Dragonite kind of overlaps with the team here and something like Amoonguss to help Gholdengo and Farigiraf set up is helpful

Incineroar wants Tera Water and Special Defense investment instead of Attack investment, Flare Blitz is also a lot more valuable than Temper Flare because of the ohkos and 2hkos it's capable of with some chip. Lastly, I think Knock Off is better off as Taunt, Will-o-Wisp, Helping Hand, etc, because you already have Roaring Moon.

Farigiraf pretty much needs trick room here

Roaring Moon should be Tera Poison to last longer on the field and provide its utility

Urshifu prefers an Adamant Nature and protect Scarf is useless, you'd want U-turn and either priority in Aqua Jet, or coverage in Ice Spinner in the Liquidation slot as there's no reason to click it over Surging Strikes.

dense nebula
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does amoongus get anything to remove auroraveil

wild sinew
dense nebula
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just going against a bunch low ladder rn

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also quick question

wild sinew
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Yes?

dense nebula
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how tf did my dragonite get burned from an inner focus entei

chilly jasper
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Sacred fire

dense nebula
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im so confused

chilly jasper
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The move

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Sacred fire

dense nebula
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i attacked first and i was burned before he attacked i thought

chilly jasper
#

That isn't possible

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His attack burned you

dense nebula
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whatever. im too tired to think

empty goblet
wild sinew
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Struggle to find much synergy between the good mons here

mint pilot
dense nebula
wild sinew
thorn gust
dense nebula
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i dont get how a max spatk modest nature gholdengo doesnt one shot flutter mane with make it rain

burnt surge
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That's cuz MIR is a spread move

distant stump
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And flutter has 135 base special defense

sand minnow
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distant stump
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the whole team is a tailwind offense and they completely dont follow the general playstyle/goal of the team

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plus they are just kinda bad mons :<

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You end up splitting your resources to get the goodra set up, but not having enough coverage/offense to support the urshifu and rilla

sand minnow
#

Thank you for the critique. I'll look into others mons that can help make this team shine.

burnt surge
sand minnow
wild sinew
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You'll mainly want to consider your Raging Bolt matchup

sand minnow
sand minnow
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It's done replaced goodra and grimm for Lando-i and fluttermane

chilly jasper
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What happened to like

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Every other vgc rater

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Besides choruto

wild sinew
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You eventually give up when you see some of the teams that come here, or they're busy with other responsibilities

chilly jasper
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Speaking of, wanna rate my arbok team/j

wild sinew
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I know Insertable should also be available soon

chilly jasper
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I made that specific team for fun, it sucks

wild sinew
chilly jasper
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I was kidding

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I don't need to be told all of that teams problems

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I am running wrap and gastro acid lmao

wanton abyss
pine trellis
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Good morning

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Im thinking about swapping out prima for urshifu

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But i want your guys thoughts

chilly jasper
pine trellis
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Ok..

chilly jasper
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Especially on torn rain

pine trellis
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What else

chilly jasper
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Not fully invested in bolt on this team

pine trellis
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Yeah im gonna swap bolt

chilly jasper
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For specs you could probably use flutter

pine trellis
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Not lando I?

chilly jasper
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You could do that as well

pine trellis
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I mean the thing is:

chilly jasper
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Also why are you so heavily speed invested in tornadus' speed

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It has prankster and outspeed other tornadus isn't the most

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Important thing

pine trellis
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Thats the wrong spread oops

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No wait that is the right spread

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Ill have to fix it

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What else

chilly jasper
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EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 116 SpA / 116 SpD / 20 Spe

pine trellis
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TY.

chilly jasper
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It mostly seems good

pine trellis
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But going back to the lando I v Mane debate:

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Mane gets rid of bolt and is a counter to hands

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But lando is also a counter to lando

chilly jasper
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Also I recommend pulse over meteor

pine trellis
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Like the thing is:

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What counters lando I?

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If it tera poisons?

chilly jasper
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I'll let Leo finish this, don't want to spread misinformation

wild sinew
# pine trellis https://pokepast.es/603be1f650187b84

Team looks like it has a good idea, yes you should use Urshifu over Primarina as it's the best Tornadus partner

I'd say you want Booster Energy Raging Bolt because being locked into a sucker like move is incredibly inconsistent, and it appreciates the ability to protect and preserve teras vs common threats like Flutter Mane and Chien Pao.

Archaludon is honestly very hard to justify on Tornadus rain, Gholdengo works as a better steel if you need one though with this composition I'd highly recommend Landorus-I for a manageable Raging Bolt matchup

With that I'd look into Assault Vest Rillaboom, your current set really doesn't suit Miracle Seed and having a defensive switch is nice since you have plenty of fire-power

pine trellis
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First metagross, then archeludon

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But now it feels like im just doing cookie cutter stuff

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What should i do @wild sinew

wild sinew
pine trellis
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Is it Trick room?

wild sinew
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No it isn't

pine trellis
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Wait its rain?

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Im interested

wild sinew
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Keep in mind last slot is flexible

pine trellis
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Why troat chop?

wild sinew
# pine trellis Why troat chop?

Incin is flexible with its last move, Throat Chop is an option to stop slower Incineroar from using Parting Shot while also being dark STAB

pine trellis
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@wild sinew do i need to change my evs for incin?

wild sinew
pine trellis
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Got it.

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Ill need to reset evs

pine trellis
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Should i also consdier buidlint more teams or just stick to the one?

celest salmon
wild sinew
wild sinew
pine trellis
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My arch doesnt need to change and neither does my bolt

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And i need to swtich my amoongus from dark terra to steel

dense nebula
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https://pokepast.es/accbf61c961a8655

Ive got 4 of the 6 pokemon on my game. only thing i dont have is incineroar and farigiraf. wondering if i should get urshifu rapidstrike still or bloodmoon ursaluna

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pine trellis
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@wild sinew you there?

wild sinew
pine trellis
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Aside from the 52 in Spe what else would you do for incin’s spreads in that sheet you gave me

rough plover
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https://pokepast.es/9414d3e2a5473761
need a sixth, i got small issues w sun teams, and big issue w latios tailwind (if i cant get mine up since flutter mane and landorus hit soo hard) got the team from yt, but didnt quite know when to bring technician + wideguard hitmontop

wanton abyss
wild sinew
wanton abyss
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But I don’t think you need to make the switch

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play a few games and let me know how it feels @dense nebula

wild sinew
wanton abyss
wanton abyss
rough plover
wanton abyss
rough plover
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lando or baxcalibur, maybe even chienpao

rough plover
wanton abyss
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Ohhhhh

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Pao or Lando would be best on a team like this

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Crown also doesn’t offer much for this team

rough plover
rough plover
wanton abyss
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No problem !

rough plover
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would it be better to have knock off or helping hand on inceneroar

dense nebula
dense nebula
ornate cloak
pine trellis
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Yo @wild sinew the team works wonders

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But im just trying to figure out scenarios when you use amoongus and raging bolt

celest salmon
wild sinew
pine trellis
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Right ok.

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And incin is just like a check/stat lowerer for a lot of things

wild sinew
wild sinew
celest salmon
wild sinew
# celest salmon which setter

SemiRoom is less reliant on Trick room, Farigiraf or Porygon2 and a slower playstyle
Hard TR is way faster paced, like Indeedee Armarouge/Hatterene and you're trying to pick up as many kos in your 4 turn timer

celest salmon
robust moon
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robust moon
high seal
fathom token
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Specs flutter mane

sand minnow
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wild sinew
wild sinew
# sand minnow https://pokepast.es/6474897ccab14f32 Can anyone look at this?

Incineroar prefers a defensive Tera like Grass here, since you aren't investing nearly enough speed, Knock Off or a support move are better than Throat Chop in the last slot

Archaludon is better off as a Chi-Yu here, one requires rain to function and the other requires sun

Since you have Sun I'd suggest going Choice Specs Flutter Mane here

I'd also say Ape doesn't belong here, only with Whims when it carries beat up. You might as well go for Life Orb Walking Wake

Whimsicott wants a defensive Tera like Water.

sand minnow
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Looks like I'm gonna need to get two Pokémon traded over to Violet

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And what about Lando-T?

wild sinew
sand minnow
wild sinew
sand minnow
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I guess you're right

sand minnow
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hey question, i found a team that i really wanna use but i was wondering if i can still post it in here even if its not my team? just to get feedback on what you guys all think of the team and whether there is anything i should change

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i'll post it anyway, and if its not allowed you can just delete it and tell me

tidal spear
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jagged thicket
hot monolith
tidal spear
pine trellis
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So @wild sinew I have had some ups and downs with the team

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Is it normal to not win consistently?

wild sinew
versed lynx
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versed lynx
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All are min speed except armarouge and bundle

ember fractal
pulsar trout
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torn > thunderus

topaz mountain
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mostly just looking for recommendations for hitmons moveset and in general pokemon that'd fit well

distant stump
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Alright lets start

distant stump
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The flip turn bundle strat is pretty cool but bad, most people have caught on that thats whats going to happen and counter it

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this also gets like uber wrecked by common psyspam counters

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like fig or incin

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also tera fighting tera blast indeedee?

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I recommend taking a psyspam paste from somewhere else and praticing that to get a feel of how it plays

distant stump
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Give it a shot if you want, and I think you can win games just with the sheer nature of the team but I do not reccomend

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Like torn+shifu just obliterates this

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same as incin balance stuff

distant stump
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a lot of the picks here are just pretty bad

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I would start with a rental team

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You can get them from victory road

burnt surge
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!vgcresources

drifting onyxBOT
distant stump
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Ty

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can I do that command?

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!vgcresources

drifting onyxBOT
distant stump
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Oh hey thats neat

burnt surge
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Yep

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I update it at Leo's request but if you want me to throw rental teams on here then I can do that

distant stump
burnt surge
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Yeah I update the most recent tournament after they've finished

distant stump
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awesome

ember fractal
# distant stump Like torn+shifu just obliterates this

Yeah i've had trouble with incin, but for torn-urshifu i changed serperior's spread after i sent the paste to survive bleakwind storm or surging strikes/close combat and ohko ursh, but yeah it's still pretty bad. I love serperior and i wanted to try and build a team with it

icy saddle
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What do you think of my Team here

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Dondozo @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Order Up
  • Wave Crash
  • Earthquake
  • Substitute

Tatsugiri @ Salac Berry
Ability: Commander
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 HP / 124 Def / 132 SpD
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dragon Dance
  • Nasty Plot
  • Surf
  • Tera Blast

Urshifu @ Iron Ball
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Drain Punch
  • Brick Break
  • Wicked Blow
  • Fling

Blissey (F) @ Silk Scarf
Ability: Serene Grace
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Skill Swap
  • Hyper Beam
  • Focus Blast
  • Hyper Voice

Palafin-Hero @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flip Turn
  • Liquidation
  • Close Combat
  • Protect

Incineroar
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Baton Pass
  • Acrobatics
  • Fire Punch
sand minnow
burnt surge
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burnt surge
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As for your team itself

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I don't vgc but your team certainly is one

burnt surge
drifting onyxBOT
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sand minnow
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oh okay

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noted 👍

burnt surge
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We don't maintain VGCPastes but if a team is made by a player and is on there, suffice to say then it has been successful

sand minnow
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fair

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i can always play around with it and see if i feel it would be better to swap something out for a special attacker but eh

eager crag
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eager crag
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TATSUGIRI SUPREMACY RISES AGAIN (it's been a while since I've been on here)

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Base:Make Tatsugiri as good as possible without needing Dondozo (or more specifically, as op with Storm drain

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Torn: Buffs with rain and tailwind (usually sent out first)

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Tatsugiri: Main attacker

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Walking Wake: Seconday attacker and supporter for Tatsu (with surf boosting tats)

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Chi-Yu: Another attacker/Scout (also sent out first)

dense nebula
eager crag
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Dondozo: Diversion (makes people think I play commander, also somewhat trickroom counter)

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Iron Hand: Trick room counter

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@normal stream

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@hot wren

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@distant stump

distant stump
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Just go for commander

distant stump
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Sorry I missed this one

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The overall team comp is fine, this looks a lot like a early reg e team

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problem isen't really the team moresoe the general strategy of milotic + moon just isen't good enough to really win games, and people have answers now

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plus you dont have answers for common mons like Lando I

eager crag
distant stump
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Problem is it really wont, your sacrificing 33% of your team for a practically useless dondozo and tatsugiri, which are both just outclassed by oger water

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I play dozogiri, trust me dry dozo is just bad

eager crag
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Dozo is only there to make people think I'm using Dozogiri

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It also acts more of a supporter

pulsar trout
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Thats a weird way to play tbh

distant stump
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yes but problem is is that your running raw dozo and tatsu

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what is the point when you can run wellspring

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and outclass both

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If you want to make it work, go for it but if you want advice just dont run storm drain

eager crag
pulsar trout
eager crag
pulsar trout
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Its if ur asleep

eager crag
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Still mostly useless with scarf

burnt surge
eager crag
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Yeah there is a reason why you'll never catch me playing OTS

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Although I guess I should make a version for OTS...

pulsar trout
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Not playing w/ ots is unfun asl

dense nebula
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jeez low ladder comp has some weird teams

robust moon
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ornate cloak
austere wasp
ornate cloak
austere wasp
ornate cloak
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I guess sash could work

austere wasp
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I like the idea

ornate cloak
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Ty

austere wasp
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With sash u can at least pull off 1 se

ornate cloak
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Tbh

austere wasp
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Sd + speed boost

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Thinking like amoong + blazi lead with flamigo back smthg like that

ornate cloak
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The plan is
Turn 1:
Protect with Blaziken
U-turn Lando

Turn 2: Rage powder and Swords dance

Turn 3: Switch in Flamigo and sweep

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Easier said then done

austere wasp
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Why not just rage powder + blazi all day

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Ye it looks hard to execute tho

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Idk how fast toxic orb kills bozo

ornate cloak
austere wasp
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Er giri

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Ooo

ornate cloak
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Yh

austere wasp
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Amulet maybe!??

ornate cloak
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Hm

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The thing is, I need smth that works out of costar, just incase

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I'll test the team and if it's alright, I'll lyk if something is missing

austere wasp
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The usual costar tactic i know is perish

ornate cloak
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Scream tail, Goth, Dozo, Giri, Flamigo

dawn elm
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wild sinew
# dawn elm I did really well with this team on showdown but I still think it can be improve...

The composition isn't bad, however I think the most effective action is to replace Whimsicott Annihilape with Pelipper Urshifu, rain compliments the team and the duo is generally a lot more consistent. I personally don't think Archaludon is any good outside of Rain.

With that you go Electro Shot and a bulkier spread (252/0/28/36+/164/28 is good), as you power up through Electro Shot

And then Iron Bundle wants to be an Amoonguss to create a FWG core and be redirection for Gholdengo and Archaludon

Tho I think the team struggles because a lot of combos are squished together and it's hard to see where you want to go

dawn elm
wild sinew
eager crag
fossil jolt
pulsar trout
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Feraligatr?

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and blaziken?

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i think ud want protect > phantom force

wild sinew
dense nebula
fossil jolt
wild sinew
fossil jolt
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well ive been trying to make a team with dragapult but it is very hard

wild sinew
# wild sinew Most things here struggle to work in doubles is the issue

Like Incineroar is a support Pokémon with Fake out and parting shot, usually runs a healing berry or safety goggles.
Dragapult's only viable set is Choice Band Tera Ghost imo, just struggles to do damage otherwise
Blaziken and Feraligatr are unviable
Flutter Mane demands bulk and a move over protect

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Dragapult isn't bad but incredibly hard to pilot so I recommend playing with meta teams first

fossil jolt
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ok I'll try meta teams and see what I can figure out

wild sinew
dense nebula
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dont have spore

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using effect spore so its a 25% chance for sleep

pulsar trout
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effect spore is rubbish

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cus if it poisons or paralyzes ur screwed

ornate cloak
wild sinew
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Use regenerator and spore

dense nebula
pulsar trout
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its better then effect spore

wild sinew
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It's less effective on offensive teams yeah

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But even switching like once every 5 games is better than what spore gives you because it'll ruin you completely

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Sleep is an insane status, you don't want to leave it to chance and be unable to ever stop something like Flutter, Lando, or the aforementioned Archaludon.

wild sinew
# ornate cloak https://pokepast.es/8a0f8cc5c1e8a154 Need help with this team

Psychic Noise > Psychic on Farigiraf so you can block Amoonguss Pollen puff or Hands drain punch, two scary mons for trick room. It doesn't really need protect, Gleam is a lot more effective to not get walled by dark types.

Would recommend Rain Dance over Taunt on Tornadus, very strong for Gholdengo and your future Urshifu. Taunt is relatively unnecessary when you have a different speed control mode and don't fear opposing Taunt.

Gholdengo is better off with Protect over Recover, and Tera Dragon or Fairy as you don't want to be so weak into Ogerpon-Wellspring and Rillaboom, common mons into rain.

Choice Band Chien-Pao just doesn't work, it's a huge Tera hog with its horrendous typing and no way to stop fake out, while also incredibly easy to handle when you have an Intimidator like Incineroar around. Two of Chien-Pao's biggest strengths are that it has versatile coverage that hits the majority of the meta, and that it can stick on the field with protects so your partner gets an extra turn with the damage boost. Choice band breaks principals for a little bit of power and really not worth it. Basic focus sash is the one I'd recommend.

Amoonguss probably wants Tera Water, since you don't have to redirect the grass types that hit you and really want to be protecting Gholdengo from Urshifu even if you burn Tera.

Urshifu is just better than Iron Bundle here, more synergy with Chien-Pao offensively and defensively, more synergy with Tornadus due to its Speed tier and consistent water stab, Tornadus taking care of the minimal checks you have. Super strong on rain

I'd also recommend taking a look at The Regulation F strategy dex for EVs, but if you refuse, I'd recommend a bulkier Tornadus, Modest Gholdengo, and a Phys Def Amoonguss

ornate cloak
wild sinew
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Good luck

ornate cloak
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Tysm

haughty crag
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https://pokepast.es/727073cbfad8ff75

This is a team I wanted to build. I need help with the Pokemon Choice and the EV spreads.

the Articuno is there to specifically counter Incineroar

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chilly jasper
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First ever sun team, don't like a lot of my spreads and I have a lack of physical attackers

ornate cloak
chilly jasper
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Maybe

ornate cloak
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Or Oger-Heartflame

chilly jasper
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Another solid option

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Could drop chi-yu for gouging and give flutter the specs

pseudo current
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I went for a pledge team that is unexpected and also a sun team mode and tailwind mode as well

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to me it has a lot of speed control and decent damage across the board

burnt surge
haughty crag
ripe bronze
slate echo
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https://pokepast.es/b97add679579576d, anyone have any ideas for this team? It pretty effortlessly got me to 1300 from nothing. But definitely feels a little clunky. Probs need to change urshifu, but not really sure how as the bulk helps a lot

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slate echo
wild sinew
slate echo