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[fathom token]

M’kay, seems reasonable. I’m kind of embarrased that I didn’t know psychic terrain’s effects 😥… I gave my Indeedee psychic (I prefer it from dazzling gleam cuz of the boost terrain gives this attack), and changed mimikyu’s drain punch to trick room.

Been testing the team in showdown and I love it! Mimikyu + Ursaluna make a blast of a combo, and the follow me strategy with lurantis after setting up trick room is just INSANE good! thx a lot for the help, byeee

[fluid kraken]

hey there every one

[wild sinew]

The team is pretty good and standard, not much to say. As for your trick room matchup, you should be fine in an ots format.

You have Taunt, Spore, and Flutter Mane.
I think the best thing you can do is make Dragonite into Iron Hands? Way less strong without Pao and Iron Hands gives you fake out for amazing opportunities.
I.e if they are Tera Fairy Mental Herb you just fake out their Iron Hands and Spore, or fake out Cress and Taunt. If they are Tera Dark safety goggles which dodges those options, you have Flutter Mane.
You also have big threats that will 2HKO Cress paired with Iron Hands. Ideally Basc and Flutter who are immune to Opposing fake out

You also have 2 Ghost types and a flying type to play mindganes with Ursaluna in TR, along with 4 protects to stall out trick room. Trick Room is generally an ugly matchup for Tailwind HO which is relatively frail, relying on outspeeding and overwhelming the opponent with damage. However it's definitely winnable which is good enough

[wild sinew]

Good luck, you can always ask when you find an issue

[wild sinew]

Hey, need a team to be rated?

[fluid kraken]

yes for sure

i am using it for a week or so and only it seems to be working better for me than all the others i have tried so far

let me share it here

https://pokepast.es/690b9dd0211e4ceb

[sharp plover]

I'm also kinda struggling against dondozo, but I'm not sure what to do about it.
Thinking of putting mirror herb on one of my pokemon but I'm not sure which one

[wild sinew]

This is similar to Wolfe's Orlando team I believe
It's far behind It's time though, perish is especially hard because of how tricky it is but even harder this format fr r to the popularity of Gholdengo, Urshifu and Tornadus are

[wild sinew]

Mirror herb isn't really reliable because the Dondozo could have unaware
I'd suggest Clear Smog Amoonguss, if they're Tera Steel they're vulnerable to Spore and you can position with Urshifu and Drain Punch Iron Hands who can hit it in and out of Tera. If they are safety goggles (very rare) Iron Hands should be really strong into it with Pollen Puff healing

[fluid kraken]

yep exactly, its not just similar but an exact copy of his team. so far it is good to play with.
gives me a win ratio of about 60% or less considering i just started but i am trying to opt for a team which would help be develop my skills better and would be benefical in long run

[sharp plover]

what move should i replace with clear smog?

[wild sinew]

There are common teams that are newer and do better into the current meta. Would highly suggest them as you still gain a lot of experience learning how good this certain team is and what it struggles against

[wild sinew]

Protect ideally

[sharp plover]

yea, makes sense

[fluid kraken]

i am a bit confused since i lack on a lot of info on the current meta and some times i make horrid mistakes when it comes to types and their weaknesses

i would be very glad if you could share some of those teams you are mentioning and also redirect me on some videos or maybe a channel in this discord where i could over come my inability to perform well

also would you recommend taking the apprentice program at this point ?

[wild sinew]

I can send some basic teams easy to start with
What are you looking for in a channel? There are many vgc channels that do different things

[fluid kraken]

that would be great,
i basically looking to learn all about vgc, types, team building, stratagize any info i can get my hands on that would make me a better player

[wild sinew]

Well Cybertron and NeilVGC are great starters
Cybertron does more battling, often on the ladder with unique teams. You can understand about how to play vs certain cores through it and generally learn from watching a Top player play as he explains his thought process
Neil talks about the meta, how certain teams/pokemon are good and why they're rising. He does have teambuilding guides and ladder runs though

[fluid kraken]

i see that could bea great start

[wild sinew]

These should still work fine, good and straightforward plans with basic flowchart into most of the meta. Depends on what you're more comfortable with
https://pokepast.es/520b0fb02c0b4f9d
https://pokepast.es/61bf29d4c84cb3f9
https://pokepast.es/4f445149807ee82b

[fluid kraken]

the teams look great thank you so much for the help ❤️ , oh and if you saw the tournament today abdullah's team looked balanced and attractive do you think i should try to copy that as well and see if that could also work for me ?

i just noticed that on the Goltress-Hoodra team tornadus has 0 evs is that on purpose or should i add a value to it

[wild sinew]

I'm not sure I would suggest it as EVs aren't uploaded yet

[wild sinew]

My fault there. You can plug in 164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest or 108/0/84/164/4/148 Timid as a start.

[fluid kraken]

Gotcha !!! will add them thank you again for your time and help

stay blessed

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/b35c35f2513cda4f ive kind of been on a losing streak with this team but I dont know if its my playing or the team itself, any changes I should make?

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Balance is a harder archetype to learn which is why you might be facing issues.
These 6 are perfectly fine with multiple modes and answers into the meta, all standard good sets too.

[mint pilot]

would hard tr or hyper offense be easier?

[wild sinew]

They would yes

[winter gulch]

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[mint pilot]

are there any 2 mons I could change out cress/luna for to make it a hyper offense team?

[wild sinew]

You're looking to replace CressLuna?

[mint pilot]

im going to try building different teams, I like the heatran, rilla, urshifu core with the flutter mane and im curious if I could keep that core and replacing cressluna to make it a hyper offense team

[wild sinew]

Tornadus Chien Pao

[mint pilot]

yeah thats what i was doing some test runs with

[mint pilot]

i was thinking of replacing them with goltres and grimmsnarl, for some bulky setup and i could also give goltres tailwind for speed control

[wild sinew]

You could do that but it would be a bit of a diff archetype, still easier to use than balance though

[mint pilot]

should i change any other mon to better fit that archetype?

[wild sinew]

I'd probably suggest replacing Heatran with a set up pokemon (Gholdengo, Hoodra, Kingambit, Lando I...) and making Goltress a Nasty Plot set

[mint pilot]

would a set like fiery wrath /air slash/ nasty plot / tailwind work for goltress? or should i use protect

[wild sinew]

Protect is my recommendation over Tailwind as with screens you don't care about moving first or last

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/a2eb5bb396a1cf2d I think I did it aside from EVs/IVs/Nature

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

hello all i fixed my team according to your suggetions
https://pokepast.es/69295e6ea3ffcee8

[honest burrow]

@wild sinew did i do aight?

[sand minnow]

i think articuno gets mind reader

[wild sinew]

Replace Farigiraf with Safety Goggles/Rocky Helmet/Psychic Seed Indeedee. It gets redirection to help the trick room setter. If you're not using Glowking for trick room chilly reception you might as well replace it with Cress, Armarouge etc
Roost > Tailwind if not replace Articuno with Specs Bundle entirely
Snowroom is a pretty eh archetype but this would be how you'd use it

[sand minnow]

yes articuno gets mind reader

[honest burrow]

my reason for farig over indeedee is cuz indeedee stops Hands from using fake out, Glowking is for taunt, hydro pump, and the ability to heal sweeper if needed, TW is a backup plan to TR

[wild sinew]

I'm aware
InDD + Glowking or Iron Hands + Glowking would become your trick room leads

[honest burrow]

edited

[wild sinew]

Taunt is not mandatory and doesn't really help you enough to justify it

Hydro Pump is bad as it's not even stab and doesn't hit enough things in the meta, Glowking doesn't have good attacking stats itself

InDD gets heal Pulse freeing up a position. You have like 2 sweepers on the team which is unhealthy for TR imo, Hence I'd prefer Hatt/Armarouge

[fluid kraken]

Hey there @wild sinew hope you are having a great day, just wanted to let you know that I making an amazing progress with the teams you provided to me yesterday, lately I have been stacking wins with the rain HO and the trick room team

[wild sinew]

Happy to hear, if there are any issues or difficult matchups let me know
good luck on your climb

[fluid kraken]

Thank you 😊 I will let you know for sure.

[honest burrow]

what's the set then?

[wild sinew]

Of what

[honest burrow]

Indeedee

[wild sinew]

Max hp Max Def Bold one of the items I suggested. With follow me/an attacking move/trick room/whatever you want, usually helping hand or heal pulse

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/83b12ce007b8bfee better?

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Not a fan of some stuff but Ig it'll work fine
Keep in mind Roost > TW

[honest burrow]

aight

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/be30dac0b50b9290 My try with a team, I think it needs some changes, I dont know which

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Hydreigon doesn't really fit, it doesn't do enough damage, not fast enough and has a horrible typing this format making it very hard to use effectively without support which you lack. Changing it to a fire type or Chien Pao would be good here depending on how you want to approach this

Protean > overgrow, with a choice band set you're never being brought down to overgrow range so might as well get stab on the move you lock into
Replace Cresselia with Tornadus (if you go Chien Pao) or Thundurus (if you go a fire type like Heatran)
You're wasting EVs on Urshifu, make sure your EVs are a multiple of 4 but not a multiple of 8. I.e 100/4 = 25 and 100/8 = 12.5, valid. 104/4 = 26, 104/8 = 13, wasting EVs.
Clear Amulet will never give you as much value because Intim isn't as common as it was in previous regs, the main intimidators not wanting to go near it anyway (Lando and a bit of Arc-H). Urshifu will usually click Surging Strikes anyway, which ignores intimidate so you'll get more value from safety goggles, mstic water or a choice item. Protect > Thunder Punch, Close Combat > Drain Punch.
Bulk out your Flutter Mane and Landorus. 84/0/180/116/4/124 Timid and 52/116/52/0/236/52 Adamant works fine (even if it looks ugly)
Tera Normal is not good defensively, Tera Water or Steel will give you more value

[haughty crag]

any recommended sets for chien pao and tornadus?

[wild sinew]

12/236/4/0/4/252 Focus Sash Jolly. Ice Spinner/Icicle Crash, Sucker Punch, Crunch/Sacred Sword/Haze, Protect. Tera Ghost/Grass/Dark/Ice. Electric if you're feeling spicy

164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest, Tailwind, Flying STAB, and the last moves can be tweaked. Taunt, Icy Wind, scary face, rain dance, etc all fit on this team. Tera Ghost/Dark/Steel ideally

[sand minnow]

Can you get triple stab with mewscarada when you Tera

[wild sinew]

Triple?

[haughty crag]

item for tornadus?

[sand minnow]

i mean as in in its original type grass it turning into grass with protien and then tera grass

[wild sinew]

Covert Cloak for Tera Dark
Mental herb for Tera Ghost
Either for Tera Steel depending on what you value

[wild sinew]

I believe with Protean it will remain 1.5

[sand minnow]

oh ok thanks

[haughty crag]

thank you, I will try the team now

[sand minnow]

i finished this team yesterday but i made some changes today https://pokepast.es/6ee901f605c6281b

[wild sinew]

Good luck

[sand minnow]

i had discharge in rotom which was a mistake

[wild sinew]

Not sure if these synergise well

[sand minnow]

well the plan is to sat each mon while redirectng with amoogus

[wild sinew]

That idea does work well, but it's usually with other pokemon
Goltress + Dragonite + Azu don't really compliment each other and Rotom is just doubling up on waters while being a very eh pokemon

[sand minnow]

which mons should i replace

[wild sinew]

I feel like Urshifu > Azu and a Fire type > Rotom is a start

You could keep Dnite but you could also change into another set up mon

[lost phoenix]

I feel like you could just use np heattom actually

The sane option is sub heatran tho

[wild sinew]

Yeah if you're crazy
Not smth I'd recommend to people starting though

[spiral shale]

wait ur so right

you can be better into shifu bcs of tbolt

[sand minnow]

ok

thanks

[sand minnow]

i did everything you suggested me but i couldn't get ride of azy because of nostalgia
https://pokepast.es/ff0d622b16eb0e36

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

oh wait psy surge also protect the opponent from priority moves

[fluid kraken]

hiii @wild sinew hope you are well, lately i have been doing great with my team climbing ladder and getting a better hang of it along with it but dazzling gleam has been a night mare for me the opposing flutter mane always one shots my urshifu/dragonite/chein pao with just his dazzling gleam could you advise some stratagies to counter that

https://pokepast.es/fe5d5febc279ca31

this is the team

[wild sinew]

May I ask why you changed the choice items? Terastalising away from your weakness and clicking Banded Aeiel Ace next to Chien Pao is a kill, Tera Water Surging Strikes is a kill, Tera Dark Crunch was also a kill, Flutter outsped the Opposing Flutter and killed but not anymore since you're not using a damage boosting item

[fluid kraken]

oh woww i never saw that use of those items i made those little tweaks thinking my dragonite would last a bit longer with a sitrus berry

let me change that back to the choice scarf and choice specs, those items that more application that i thought of

[fluid kraken]

also i changed my dragonites low kick to protect was that a mistake too ??

[wild sinew]

That would be correct if you went without a choice item
Choice band is generally Dnite's best item though
You can make your Flutter Mane SpA Booster Energy or Timid Life Orb if you're looking to add a Protect. Now the only two pokemon without Protect are Dnite and Tornadus

[fluid kraken]

could you please explain what you mean by adding a timid life orb ? what would be the strategy with it please elaborate more

[wild sinew]

Timid (124 EVs) let's you outspeed modest Flutter Mane while keeping the same 1.3 boost the special attack Booster Energy gives you in exchange of 10% recoil. The SpA Booster Energy does not have that recoil however you can't be confident you're faster than other Flutter Mane

[fluid kraken]

ahh i see so flutter mane can be used so many different ways

[wild sinew]

yeah

Specs, Booster Speed, Booster SpA, Life Orb and Pixie Plate are the main items I believe

[fluid kraken]

well then i will thank you for your help as always and switch between the options i have so what works the best

[hearty rampart]

https://pokepast.es/70b1b6115ed98e22
Thoughts on this team? It's a pretty standard core of mons but i seem to be struggling against Urshifu and Trick Room.

[drifting onyx]

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[frigid trail]

https://pokepast.es/e069f2f5adefae2e

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

i lack knowledge in pokemon but tiranitar fell hard with urshifu around, i would suggest replacing it with another sandstream mon or use torn sadnstorm

licanrock is really bad stay away from it

u can lead with shedtail orthworm and brin tyranitar safely

[wild sinew]

Bulkier Booster speed Flutter Mane
Tera Steel/Poison > Tera Water Tatsu
Order Up > Body Press and Protect > Curse, I'd suggest Tera Blast but EQ is also a fine choice for last move
Give Tornadus flying stab
I'd suggest replacing Heatran with Specs Chi Yu here
Amoonguss also isn't strongest on this comp, Glimm/Urshi-SS would be better
And then you got a pretty common and viable 6, give it a go and then probably come with what you find a difficult matchup

[mighty rapids]

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[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/12f3f2f75bbcc330 thoughts on the team? I would also appreciate help with evs

[drifting onyx]

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[frigid trail]

What would be good mons to replace my lycanroc with?

[sand minnow]

I am bad at pokemon so you shouldn't rely much on mu opinion but forexample even with sand rush a urshifu can aqua jet kill it..look at pokemon with sand veille maybe or just use a urshifu cause if fits on any team

[frigid trail]

Okay bet

[shadow valve]

https://pokepast.es/fb18cc31daf22001
i want to replace my dragonite (preferably with a special attacker since intimidate shuts down most of my attackers). any suggestions?

[drifting onyx]

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[eager crag]

https://pokepast.es/33fdbe789e72a122
Main gimmick is making Storm Drain Tatsugiri viable... again... Dondozo to fake out the opponent into thinking commander, Sylveon to fight in trick room (tho 95% of the time, I'm picking the first 4)
Notable weaknesses: Sun, Single Urs, the fact that every Pokemon is for some reason Tera Water (it's gotten so bad to the point where I'm considering giving Tera Blast to Dondozo and Tera Grass to Sylveon because of how many pokemon run tera water)

[eager crag]

I'd say a fire type like Chi Yu or Volcarona could be used to take advantage of the sun. Preferably having the grass tera and Tera Blast/Giga Drain to fight Urshifu Rapid and all the pokemon that decide to run tera water... which is all of them. Tho I'm no expert. I just make teams that uses Storm Drain Tatsugiri and spam Surf/Muddy Water

[eager crag]

For Drag and Chien, Just go max Attack and Speed with jolly nature. (+Spe, -SpA)
For Farig, I'd say similar EVs as Cress, tho maybe more SpA than Cress. Quite Nature (+SpA, -Spe)
Iron hands, I can't really help ya there, but for both him and Ursa, give them brave natures (+Atk, -Spe) with 0 in speed IVs, The reason why is 90% of the time, it seems you will be using trick room, so you would usually want your pokemon (thats not Drag or Chien) to be as slow as possible.
Also, why Tera Ghost Tera Blast if you already have Phantom Force? At that point you use another Tera for Pokemon that walls Drag, like Fairy for Single Urshifu. I mean unless you don't like Phantom Force taking 2 turns to land, I don't see a reason to run Tera Ghost with Tera Blast
Also what does Imprison do for Farigiraf?

[wild sinew]

Tera Ghost Tera Blast has become the main set for Dragapult after it won NAIC and then made finals at worlds

[eager crag]

Oh didn't know that. I don't keep up with tournaments

[wild sinew]

You don't need Farigiraf here tbh, Replace it for Amoonguss/Flutter Mane
84/76/4/0/252/92 Adamant is good for Iron Hands, if you want to lean towards the trick room tho you would move 80 from spe into Atk for the next bump
Pao and Pult are basically Max Max yeah, 12/4/4 bulk for Pao. Make sure Pult outspeeds Flutter/Pao and then dump the remaining few EVs in hp
Team comp is solid though, Aggro instant option while keeping the trick room mode

[wild sinew]

Try Choice Band Inner focus Dragonite and make Hands an AV set and then update if you still want to replace Dnite. Tera normal Espeed is doing nothing without band afterall.
I do have some things I don't like on this team (Chien Pao and Flutter Mane want Protect over Haze/Protect, Dgleam > Energy Ball, Sunny Day Torn does nothing for your team) but I'm mainly tackling Dnite here, changing those won't really effect how valuable Dnite is

[eager crag]

And of course my team (that is mostly meme at this point but is actually working because of the prevalence of Rapid Urshifu) got ignored again. Although it is 12am so it's understandable

[wild sinew]

Chi could probably use another item just fine, it doesn't need Sash and it might even be detrimental considering you're hitting yourself a few times with surf
Tera Blast > Memento on Tatsu, Draco is probably better than Dragon pulse even on this team tbh
Tera Steel/Ghost/Dark over Tera Ground on Tornadus, living one hit is usually enough and it's easy enough to wiggle the bars enough until you're satisfied
Stomping isn't really a good move on Dondozo, Tera Grass Tera Blast and Heavy Slam are indeed better.
Sylveon isn't really slow enough to fight in trick room, it would fit on a team but it wouldn't outspeed their team full of Base 50s. Iron Hands does this better, can click fake out to help you stop trick room, can hit the water teras hard with wild charge

[eager crag]

Okay thanks I will consider these changes, especially the Iron Hands one. Also I'll probably just swap Memento with Draco Meteor. The reason why it had Memento in the first place was because I had no idea what that 4 move should be and I thought it would be funny.

[wild sinew]

You could probably get away with that

[eager crag]

Also what item would I even give Chi Yu? Cuz I already gave Basculeigon the Life orb, and I don't like Specs because I want protect

[wild sinew]

Specs would be your best item but otherwise you could go with charcoal, wise glasses and wide lens?

[eager crag]

Honestly I might go with wide lens because I have missed heat wave on both pokemon 2 times in a row before

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

half the time these things don't work, but when they do, they do. You could give Azumarill a Sitrus berry, with belly drum and surf

[wooden forum]

Trying to make an imprison TR FM set
Should I use dazzling gleam or moonblast?

[misty rose]

what are the best ways to deny tornadus

[sacred current]

Taunt

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/1d6ce31386c56a76 would appreciate help with evs and general thoughts on the team

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

i made this my own https://pokepast.es/381abd2730ba672d

thought it was new till i found out it was made 🤣

[torpid kiln]

https://pokepast.es/1280f4285eb592ba
Im making this for post home, i will not be abandoning palafin core+ting but idk what to do for the last two mons and sets.

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/376349bae384a4eb I have just realised that my team is very weak to fairies and ice pokemon. I wanna swap out meowscarada. any pokemon in mind that helps my fairy and ice weakness while synergising with my team?

[sand minnow]

the fire steel mon

i forgot its name but it works well here

[haughty crag]

heatran

[sand minnow]

yes

[eager crag]

For Iron Hand's Moves, I got fake out, Wild Charge and Drain Punch, but for move 4, I'm on the fence with Volt Switch, Stomping Tantrum, and Heavy Slam

[wild sinew]

Heavy Slam is better here imo

[eager crag]

Okay thanks

Oh and I assume Tera Grass?

[wild sinew]

Yes

[eager crag]

ok just making sure

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

?

[winter gulch]

the paste was deleted

I still have it in my browser history somewhere but idt we need to rate it

[wild sinew]

Ig so

[wild sinew]

Wide Guard/Helping Hand > U Turn, it gets a lot of value out of that differentiating itself from Torn
Tera Steel is better on Tatsu, you don't need to dodge fake out or Espeed as you'd usually just switch in Dozo
Tera Water Wave Crash > Tera Flying Tera Blast, the main purpose of Surf Dozo is to do ridiculous damage on both sides and Tera Water really adds on to that
Flutter probably likes Booster on this team, you don't seem like you need to switch often
Basc and Tatsu can go 252/252, Flutter can do standard 68/0/116/116/4/204
I'll get Dozo, Thundy and Peli spreads for you, if I don't get them to you soon, just remind me in dms

[wild sinew]

Well Incin is not available until the second dlc

[wild sinew]

When you switch Meow to Heatran I'd suggest Thundy over Torn tbh. More of a balance mode generally seems better for Heatran/Lando/Flutter/Shifu. Chien Pao is fine as it is but I'd also suggest Rilla in the slot going all in on the idea

[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/c85a6c57cf289353

I only just made this team on the spot so I just wanted to know if it were good or not

[torpid kiln]

Oh

[drifting onyx]

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[ocean umbra]

This is my first time teambuilding, so any advice would be useful. Thanks for checking it out!

https://pokepast.es/0d1cee631cdac458 new link

[vestal hazel]

I think my team is pretty solid, got me to 1100 ELO on Showdown not to brag or anything https://pokepast.es/d89f6e0479c99f5c

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

I think something you should know is that vgc, being 4v4 in a doubles format, is really fast paced. Games won't be long enough to make things like hazards or manual toxic worth it. You lose a lot of momentum for a 12% on their next mon since switching is done a lot less and games last under 10 turns

[ocean umbra]

Could you please see what kind of switches would work or do I need a new team from the ground up

[wild sinew]

The concept in general is bad into the meta with pretty much unviable pokemon outside of Chi Yu
I'd suggest getting a better idea of the meta and the game before trying to teambuild whether using pre existing teams (recommended) or just watching tournaments and stuff

[ocean umbra]

Which pokemon are viable, I kinda wanted to not just do a meta team since it was my first one

[wild sinew]

Pretty much every pokemon ranked on The VR is viable in some form, D tier being discouraged though

!vgcresources

[drifting onyx]

VGC Resources
Format Details: https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc23-series-4/
VR: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-2023-regulation-d-viability-rankings.3725601/

[haughty crag]

vr?

[wild sinew]

Viability Rankings, thread is there

[ocean umbra]

Wait so the meta is less “most effective” and rather “only effective”?

[wild sinew]

Id say the meta is A and Above, the others just being viable
anything else is really hard to make work and is not recommended, especially for someone starting out

[ocean umbra]

Since pokemon have roles to play, who do you think would be good switches for the team?

[wild sinew]

^

[sand minnow]

guys this one https://pokepast.es/991d6736ae4199f7
or this one https://pokepast.es/07866d7a6ba8703a

i made both which one is better

for explosion i should add a stall move incase of the opponent protecting

[fluid kraken]

Hey there @wild sinew 🤗😄 I hope you are doing great !!

Just wanted to check in and also inform you on my progress

[wild sinew]

What's happened so far

[fluid kraken]

Well everything been going nice there's obviously a learning curve at the moment but I am trying to absorb as much information as I can currently I am trying my best to memorize the type advantage chart as well as playing and learning on showdown.

Also I Didn't made any prominent changes in my rain OH team aside from changing the tera type of my chien Pao to poison

So I wanted to ask, is there anything in particular I should be doing or learning which would be beneficial and take me to another level

?

[wild sinew]

Sorry was a bit busy

Sent it in dms because I believe that's more appropriate

[fluid kraken]

No worries at all

Sure see u in dms

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/4555e25531da1359

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Tera types?

[sand minnow]

oh i forgot
https://pokepast.es/8356697f2f5de68d

sorry

[wild sinew]

Rock Slide just does not do enough damage and you're not trying to fish for flinches, you're usually trying to pick up as many knock outs under tr. Swords Dance/Bulk Up to punish passive play and intimidate, Shadow Claw to hit Facade immunities, Ice Punch to hit Lando and Tera Blast to hit ridiculously bulky Tera Waters are all notable. Although I prefer SD most
Heatran would prefer lefties over the berry as it is a pokemon that can stick on the field and loves to click protect
Scream Tail is pretty bad here, Replace it with Assault Vest Iron Hands to reliably get up trick room while also being a pokemon amazing outside it, 84/156/4/0/252/12 with Tera Grass/Water is good here. Heavy Slam for Flutter Mane or Volt switch to get Ursaluna in safely are both strong.
With this you can make Glast a Life orb set to be able to underspeed (unless they're min speed where it is a speed tie) and ohko Amoonguss. Glast really appreciates the power boost and You could also fit in protect to give you better opportunities to position

[sand minnow]

thanks a lot, i will apply these changes

one question, having only 1 tr mon?

what if cress faints while i still need to set tr

should i give tr to another mon

oh i got u

ih gets tr

[wild sinew]

Unnecessary since you have pokemon that can function outside it
Replace Glastrier with Urshifu Rapid if you want to feel safe

[sand minnow]

thank you 🙂

it is working great even outside of tr 🙂

thanks a lot

[frigid trail]

https://pokepast.es/fb8bb909754cc3d6 thoughts on this? thinking maybe switch indeedee for like hatterene or something but not too sure

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[austere wasp]

Its a heavy trick room team, i think indeedee is very crucial for your team because u have an armarouge and is a very good support, if you really want hatterene i guess you can switch oranguru out, while it have different roles , hatterene can still setup trick room and have an additional item (magic bounce makes you not need to run mental herb) and you can add additional damage

I think your team has too much support mons so i would recommend keeping 1 of amoong/indeedee and replace the other with ursaluna or another tr sweeper

I would also suggest fake out and voltswitch in your iron hands to instant pivot in the trick room / enable fake out + trick room to gurantee setup for

[frigid trail]

mmmm okay

[frigid trail]

so if i replace moongus with ursa and put fake out volt switch on iron hands would be good ya?

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/a5f94af7b60221eb

This team was from a while ago @wild sinew you helped me with it alot, here are my thoughts and what I need from it going forward:

• Tornadus is tornadus, works perfect
• Brambleghast fills it’s nice perfectly, working as an effective check to the most prominent meta threats (Flutter, Urshifu, Dragonite) with wind rider, however I’m looking to replace protect, as I’m finding more use in substitute than protect, and one of those two moves needs to go (I tried tera blast but it gets little utility because shadow sneak is so strong with attack boost, and Palafin often uses tera)
• Palafin works as intended, playing a bulky physical sweeper occasionally benefiting from rain dance (I tried tera grass tera blast over ice punch but it’s not finding much impactful util)
• Scizor is a powerful setup sweeper with swords dance bullet punch life orb, but is the beggening of my main problem with my team, as I will explain later
• Gholdingo choice specs is spectacular (pun intended) and is an excellent option to run opposite Chien-Pao
• Chien-Pao functions ad intended, synergizing well with my heavy physical-attack focused team, no complaintes

So my main issue besides probably needing to drop protect off Brambleghast is my teams’ glaring weakness to fire moves, and I’m at a loss for solutions at the moment, any help is appreciated, thank you!

[austere wasp]

Yeah

[frigid trail]

hmmm okay

ty appreciate it

now i just gotta find someone to trade an ursaluna lol

[wild sinew]

I'll respond when I get the chance, a bit busy right now

[cyan nexus]

Yeah take your time, no hurry, thank you (:

[wild sinew]

[raven laurel]

https://pokepast.es/f36add52b6a49584
Big rain, but I want to be able to better check the popular mons like Flutter Mane and Iron Hands

I’m thinking of iron head on urshifu but I’m not sure about any other options besides swapping rillaboom for amoongus but that causes a sleu of other problems

or even like thunderus instead of tornadus for the defensive benefit and forget tailwind because i already have a lot of good speed

[sharp aurora]

Who here is pretty good with Pokémon VCG? I want to create a team for the latest regulation

[snow bluff]

https://pokepast.es/76c24c5050648d86

Hey Guys, Im wondering if anyone can help me with my team. Im trying to go for a Hyper-Offensive team while trying to go for an anti meta build. Any help would be appreciated!

[raven laurel]

if youre going hyper offensive why not giga drain instead of substitute on amoonguss?

[winter gulch]

Amoonguss doesn't need to be HO, its whole point is that its one of the best supports, whether its on HO or not

[wild sinew]

Trick room > Protect on Armarouge so you can lead ArmaDD and be able to set trick room and then click smth like Eforce without a delay
InDD should be bold, make it Tera Fairy and use Dazziling Gleam over Psychic, one of your main issues when you lead are Sash pokemon like chien pao and you want to remove them. Consider helping hand over heal Pulse for the Heatran ohko, your team is pretty fast paced anyway although it does have synergy with Torkoal eruption especially when you're locked into it. I'd say try both and see which one you're more comfortable with
Torkoal should be 0 spe IV to underspeed Amoonguss
Orangaru is pretty mid here tbh, you could do Ursaluna, Liligant or Flutter Mane there. Two trick room setters + redirection + fake out are plenty to set up trick room
Make Hands Max spd instead of Max hp. Spread would be fine otherwise. Tera Grass is better here
You could replace Amoonguss with Lili/Ursa depending on who you picked or use Chi Yu if you used Flutter Mane, any of these changed will open up a fast mode. If you intend to keep Amoonguss however I'd suggest Ursaluna and going rocky helmet Amoonguss

[wild sinew]

I think Protect is just a lot better on Bramble than substitute because it's pretty slow and appreciates it for positioning. Tera Ghost Tera Blast is still your best move imo, it Top cut worlds and its reliable when a 40 BP move doesn't cut it, Try Phantom force with a defensive Tera if you struggle to pilot it. However if you're not really using that either give Strength Sap a go, let's you heal up which is great on a non-sash set and weaken down Opposing physical attackers that may take advantage of your Pao
Palafin works fine here then, how has Tera Water been treating you? Since you say you is it often
Also since you don't have crunch I'd suggest Tera Ghost/Grass Chien Pao.

That may be an issue on paper, 4 weaknesses and 1 resist. However you have rain dance to neutralise it making it really just one weakness. You also have Tera available and using it effectively is a skill itself imo, rewatch your replays vs the problem Fire types and identify how you could've played better, it'll help

[frigid trail]

Mmmm okay noted. I have oranguru there for the torkoal to use eruption twice

[wild sinew]

Yeah I get that
You'll just get more value out of something that can be on the field at all times and put in work

[wild sinew]

Make your Flutter Mane Bulkier, I can send you spreads for Specs, SpA Booster or Speed Booster if you're not sure how to bulk it out. This is to live important priority and faster pokemon, you generally want to abuse the amazing typing.
Rocky helmet Torn wants to be very physically Bulky, If you want a faster Torn you'd go Covert Cloak and something like 164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest or 108/0/84/164/4/148 Timid
Give Urshifu 44/4/4 bulk to live a Dragonite Espeed
Rillaboom should be bulkier and Adamant. 204/116/100/0/76/12 or dropping special bulk for speed is a great start. Let's you live Chien Pao and you can still ohko things like Flutter
Arcanine doesn't really fit. Scarf Landorus-T just does its job better here, Chien Pao, Gholdengo and (to a lesser extent) Thundurus-T are other strong options for the team
Aqua Jet is better than Psychic Fangs overall, whatever you want to hit you'll want to hit with Wave Crash or last Respects anyway, dodging Sucker Punch from Chien Pao and is a lot more important imo

As for your changes, Urshifu is good as it is and Iron Head does less damage than strikes because of stab, even less under rain. Rillaboom is also fine here but Amoonguss + Nasty Plot Thundurus/Gholdngo is an excellent mode itself

[frigid trail]

Ahhh okay makes sense

So would ursaluna over moongus and flutter over oranguru be good switches?

[wild sinew]

Yeah they would work fine

[frigid trail]

And then switch out protect on arma for tr and helping instead of pulse on dd

Okay bet

Ill fix it up soon and repost the link if thats okay

[wild sinew]

Alright

[frigid trail]

question

for flutter mane, i have dazzling gleam shadow ball protect

what coverage would be good

oo could i wish?

[wild sinew]

I can see this work as a HO team with a few changes
Tornadus-I > Great Tusk to boost the team with Tailwind and Urshifu/Thundurus with Rain Dance
Thundurus should run Life Orb (Wildbolt/Tera Blast Flying/Volt Switch, Flash Cannon or Grass Knot/Protect, Goggles (Tera electric Wildbolt Storm/Volt Switch/Nasty Plot/Protect) or Specs (Wildbolt storm/Tera Blast Flying/Volt Switch/Grass Knot or Flash Cannon. Hazards are not prevalent in vgc and Protect is the best move in the game if you're not choiced
Dragapult should run the Choice Band Tera Ghost Tera Blast set. This would be over Acrobatics. It's a popular set that has won naic and climbed to finals at worlds. The idea is that you outspeed everything and have a spammable ghost stab you don't mind locking into
Amoonguss should be Sitrus/Rocky Helmet and Protect over substitute. Consider Tera Steel paired with Rain if you find yourself setting rain often but water is generally better
Give Urshifu detect over U Turn and Mystic Water over Life Orb, Goggles works great if Thundurus doesn't have it. Scarf Urshifu is less effective but it is also an option some may be comfortable with, you'd end up keeping U Turn or using ice Spinner and replacing Aqua jet usually
Focus Sash Chien Pao should be over Scizor to boost Pult and Urshifu just enough, it also works great alone as Ice and Dark stab is amazing this format. A staple on Hyper Offence this regulation imo
Btw I'm pretty sure you're relatively new to vgc? I can hit you with pre existing teams if this one doesn't seem to be working out even with the changes, if you have any questions, let me know

[wild sinew]

You'd go Moonblast

[frigid trail]

ahh okay

[wild sinew]

After spread reduction Moonblast is more than 1.5x as strong as Dazziling Gleam and very valuable as a spammable STAB move

[frigid trail]

aight bet

ty

https://pokepast.es/a513a0212c375700

[cyan nexus]

Yeah this makes a lot of sense, I’m probably just gonna bite the bullet and learn to play better around tera blast tera ghost and drop substitute like you’re saying, I’m still new to a lot of the skills in this game regarding positioning and timing. Also tera water is really strong on palafin, it wins a lot of early engagements because the oponent suspects a tailwind & switch when I lead thundourus & palafin but instead I rain dance wave crash and OHKO a neutral mon, very satisfying. About the fire weaknesses, that makes sense what you’re saying. I think it’s probably more of a skill issue on my part honestly where I need to identify threatening fire attackers and preemptively rain dance. Thanks for all the help!

[raven laurel]

Would definitely appreciate the Flutter Mane set. thank you!

[wild sinew]

Which set do you look for
They will all have different EVs

[raven laurel]

SpA boost will probably fit my play style best, so that please

[wild sinew]

68/0/116/116/4/204 modest is prob fine

[hollow fable]

https://pokepast.es/741091b222580d3e Thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hollow fable]

(I changed chien tera to ghost, and sunny day is just on torn because I didn't really know what else to put on it)

[wild sinew]

Is there a certain pokemon you are trying to build around or are these just 6 you believe are good

[hollow fable]

Well I was looking at Sylveon's move pool and saw psych-up and stored power, so I was thinking what mon would be good with it. I chose espathra and farigiraf because will be pretty nice with the speed boosts + calm mind, and as sylveon is naturally slow, I thought farigiraf with calm mind and trick room could be very nice

[wild sinew]

Tbh I think you can take the idea and use Suicide Tatsu with Dozo

[hollow fable]

I'm not a fan of suicide tatsu & dozo tbh

[wild sinew]

Well idk how to say it in any other way but Espathra is just bad

[umbral valve]

This is my Regulation D team and I need some suggestions on the rest of the Pokémon I should addAlso need a steel type for the fairy steel dragon corehttps://pokepast.es/d86113041432d3c9

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/d5aaf9be3752e6cd
amoongus and iron hands for trick room teams
tornadus for hyper offense, shld i replace protect with rain dance for torandus doe?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hallow ether]

any thoughts or suggestions?

[sour rain]

I wanted to build a team around Slitherwing and wondering if anyone had any tips to help build around it. I know it's not the best but I really like using it

[nimble plank]

https://pokepast.es/7a527681d51c05cb
i wanted to make a team with my favourite hisui pokemon

im not sure about landorus

[sand minnow]

i madde this https://pokepast.es/5baef9ce266a98dd

[wild sinew]

I believe you need to complete the team before we can rate it

[wild sinew]

Idea and team comp are great.
Amoonguss would work better as 236 hp / 180 Def / 92 SpD to help you redirect Flutter and friends better
I'd say give Adamant Urshifu a go as you're Scarf and should outspeed everything anyway, if you don't really notice the damage and lose a few what mirrors then you can probably go back to Jolly
Crunch > Sacred sword on this Chien Pao to maximise value from Tera Dark, you already have Hands and Urshifu who cover fighting plenty
I'd say go Covert Cloak Rain Dance over Protect however if you want mental herb you'd go rain dance over Taunt or just run Air Slash because of Bleakwind's less than okay accuracy
Max SpD Iron Hands > Max Hp just because of how much better it takes hits, the Assault Vest is multiplying your EVs by 1.5 to so you're just getting more value. A common spread is 84 / 76 / 4 / 0 / 252 / 92 and it follows the same principal. I would suggest Tera Water or Grass over Tera Fairy but it's not the end of the world

[wild sinew]

Basculegion and H Goodra in the same team or one of them?

[nimble plank]

Well I was thinking both but now I’m doubting things. I haven’t built a functional team yet so I’m highly suggestible

[wild sinew]

They both work on different teams so it's a bit hard

[hallow ether]

aight tysm

[hallow ether]

just tested it out against a trick room team and iron hands is a god dam wall while terra dark chien pao can destroy

[wild sinew]

Yeah Crunch is especially helpful in that matchup which can be ugly for Tailwind HO

[frigid trail]

https://pokepast.es/e507fbfb4b6e0278

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frigid trail]

wanted to make a team around chien pao

[real hatch]

https://pokepast.es/7e1d9f88d0447ceb

[wild sinew]

Aura Sphere > Protect on Armarouge for the Heatran matchup and Dazziling Gleam > Protect on InDD to better remove Chien Pao. These two pokemon don't really need Protect as you'll usually click follow me trick room and then expanding Force/Armour Cannon, you'll find a lot less situations where you want to stall out your trick room. Mental herb is also not good when you're immune to the main Taunter. Rocky helmet, Psychic seed and Safety Goggles will give you a lot more value
Sylveon should either be Tera Water or Ground Throat spray hyper voice/tera blast/x/protect, or the same Tera Water/Ground/Fire with Specs and Hyper Beam + Psyshock as the last two moves. Substitute Lefties calm mind just takes a bit too much set up and other pokemon can perform that role better.
Wild Charge > Stomping Tantrum Iron Hands, It really does not do enough for you, especially when super effective Stomping Tantrum is only 11% stronger than Neutral Wild Charge. Tera Grass is better as you gain the Amoonguss immunity and you should Max out Special defence instead of hp on it. Because the stat is already so high the points you'll gain are a lot less significant than the ones you'll gain when put into SpD, and then AV multiples it even further by 1.5.
Pollen Puff is better than synthesis, you want to heal your own teammates like Iron Hands usually.
Palafin is just worse Urshifu on trick room, go Safety Goggles/Mystic Water Urshifu-RS here with Strikes/CC/Aqua Jet/Detect

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[pastel prism]

https://pokepast.es/06d09a38a9fa3b6a i love gastrodon

[fathom token]

new team :DDD
this one is mainly around mimikyu and flamigo:
https://pokepast.es/5089485411fa958d

[umbral valve]

Oh ok I'll finish it

https://pokepast.es/14ee8b1e39abf623

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/3db1b2b6431a201f Trying my team out in Comp today and ive gotten not a lot of success today when trying to use ursaluna. So i think i need to rethink how this whole team needs to work. And i really need help figuring out which tera types i should make some of my pokemon cause i havent changed them from their base types

[shadow valve]

i made the change, but i'm still unable to get any kills with dragonite, so do you have any suggestions as to what to replace it with?

[sand minnow]

i saww someone do this with shedtail and mimiku

[misty rose]

Torkoal - fire
Ursaluna - fairy, water or normal
Flutter - fairy
Cress - fairy or water
Lillitant - fighting, i would probably slot in sleep powder
Urshifu - dark

Im not an expert but i think this team is solid

It can probably beat most stuff, not sure about rain or hard tr

[topaz edge]

Ty!

[mint pilot]

personally i think there are better tera types for some of the mon here
torkoal: fire - extra damage for your eruptions
ursaluna: while fairy and water are solid, i run ghost for a fighting immunity and it also boosts my shadow claws
flutter: fairy- damage boost
Cress: fairy is solid, however i like using dark for immunity to prankster taunt and taking less damage from ghost and dark type attacks
Lilligant: ghost- immunity to fake out which can be crucial at times
Urshifu: dark for a damage boost however you can also run poison for a fairy resist

[wild sinew]

Sitrus Berry > Covert Cloak on Gastradon, you have Protect for fake out and Garganacle is pretty much unviable right now
Arc H + Torn just don't really fit on this team, you're pretty slow and not benefiting enough from Tailwind, doubling up on Fire types. Flutter Mane + Amoonguss/Thundurus or Cress + Luna work better here imo.
Keep in mind you have to invest in an odd number of stats (3 or 5) to not waste EVs, 60 Def and 4 Spe being optimal on Lando for example
Spreads could be improved in general but that's a last thing and it's not going to cost you many games

[wild sinew]

Torkoal is fine as it is
Make Liligant Covert Cloak with after you over protect and sleep powder over Ice Spinner, Tera Steel or Grass work fine. Or you could make it Tera Ghost Focus Sash and make Urshifu SS a Tera Poison Black Glasses set
Tera Fairy, Water, Grass and Ghost are all good on Ursaluna, Swords Dance, EQ or Shadow Claw > Close Combat.
Make your Flutter Mane Bulkier, 68/0/140/132/4/164 Timid or 84/0/180/36/4/204 Modest work fine. It can run Tera Fairy, Steel and Water perfectly fine
Safety Goggles or Mental Herb are better items for Cresselia, with Tera Fairy ideally. Water, Dark and Grass are decent themselves however

[wild sinew]

Use rain dance Torn and Urshifu Rapid over it

[real hatch]

https://pokepast.es/fb871fd686315988 ok so

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/d5aaf9be3752e6cd, should i switch amoongus out for a ground type for defensive pivot for urshifu?

or is it just not necessary

[sacred current]

Imo volt switch iron hands is already a good pivot for him since he can pressure with tera grass and protect from electric attacks
And psychic is a bit dead those days

[hidden path]

2 sashes?

[sacred current]

Or if you wanna be sure just put uturn on dragapult

[hallow ether]

aight ok thanks

replace phantom force with u turn?

or sucker punch

[sacred current]

Ig dragapult doesn't need sucker punch a lot

[hallow ether]

imma replace sucker punch since

ye

chien pao already has it too

[sacred current]

Or

You can replace uturn with wisp

[hallow ether]

my dragapult choice banded

so

plus its annoying when wisp misses

[sacred current]

That still can be a good option

And make a lil pivot

[hallow ether]

eh

imma stick with u turn

[sacred current]

Both seems good so

My turn now
https://pokepast.es/21048f2a23703034
Idrk what to put in the IVs, maybe a bit more in Torna's Spak for a Shifu OHKO with bleakwind
Also idk what to think on Thunder Gholdengo

I also thought of Focus Punch for shifu and I'm unsure about his set

[fossil jolt]

https://pokepast.es/f3c66db3eca100ce
I really like ceruledge so i tried to make a team focusing around it and i wanted to know if it is good?

[misty rose]

If you want to use ceruledge you probably want to run some intimidate support and torkoal

Also tera steel seems like a weird pick

This team generally does not do well against most archetypes i imagine

@fossil jolt id advise to look at sample teams and play a little if you aren't familiar with the tier

so you can better build stuff

[winter gulch]

The team just looks like it was built a couple series ago tbh

As in the first format of the year

We now have paradox, ruins, Home Pokemon

[misty rose]

Ceruledge can work as a bulky sun self sustained nuke but it absolutely needs teammates to ensure it gets bulk ups and to check flutter mane for it, preferably both urshifu and landorus/ursaluna as well

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/69d2e088f5cf1dfc Went ahead and made some changes to my team and would like more eyes to see if i missed anything

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Tera types

[topaz edge]

Oh whoops i sent the wrong link heres the fixed one https://pokepast.es/237ef933a4db1647

[wild sinew]

It's fine now except the Flutter Mane EVs, not sure what youre doing but you're wasting some
Make sure your EVs are a multiple of 4 however not a multiple of 8 to confirm you aren't wasting any

[topaz edge]

Someone earlier had mentioned i should make my flutter mane bulkier so i tried adjusted for that

[wild sinew]

These intended to be example spreads

[topaz edge]

gotcha

[wild sinew]

Since they've already been calced for

[topaz edge]

So i should retune my flutter manes EVs?

[wild sinew]

I suggest so

[topaz edge]

Hmm ok, guess i could try and lower the Def and raise SpD to be something like 48/0/148/184/64/64

[west dragon]

Trying to run a lead iron thorns but I need some help with team comp can someone give me any suggestions?

https://pokepast.es/d9643568f749376f

[sand minnow]

i have been learning the basics in a while
i decided to test myself and make a team https://pokepast.es/9bb1148a21e9fb49

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

after some tests i decided to use tera poison on my urshifu because it resists the other weaknesses and replaced gyaridos with landT
https://pokepast.es/e529eeb9400975eb

[umbral valve]

Could you give some tips for this team

[sand minnow]

i am the last person you want to recive tips from, however i would suggest you avoid gimmicky teams because it works well in ladder but if it is bo3 it will be difficult, plus it can be easly countered with wide guard

[umbral valve]

Yeah that's why I added h samawott cuz my team has bearly any physical attackers

[sand minnow]

i would suggest you try to not lead with regidraco

if you want to use it you can use it with shedtail

tera steel and tera blast also

for fairy types

just like u did

[golden patrol]

hi all! wanted to build a team around heatran and landorous, what could you suggest me?

[misty rose]

Something to handle urshifu (flutter mane) and something to deny tornadus (your own torn or something)

[fathom token]

for tornadus, you can use a fast prankster pkm with taunt and for urshifu and flutter mane, u can use heatran tera type grass with terablast

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/3ff80463ecfbc19d trick room team

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[winter gulch]

I like the concept, let's clean up some of the sets real quick

I would probably go something like this: https://pokepast.es/f34df667716eb686

Since your team is focused more on dealing damage doing that as much as possible is good

Flutter Mane doesn't need much coverage since its doing so much already, and Ursaluna wants Protect to get free Flame Orb

[misty rose]

no you can't lol

do you know why tornadus is good to begin with

as a tailwind mon

[winter gulch]

Tornadus is that fast Prankster mon

[misty rose]

^^

Not that taunt is reliable anyway since mental herb exists

You use your own tailwind, tank it or trick room

[nimble flame]

thank you for the help

[plain nebula]

I tried to build a team about iron jugulis

https://pokepast.es/621b4f9f9578522c

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[austere wasp]

I like the team, Idea seems nice!

[plain nebula]

I just searched up a vgc video from victory road and saw iron jugulis and gholdengo

[austere wasp]

A friend used those 2 in worlds day 1

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/f8632c114c02a0b0 And this is the final iteration of my trick room team

[misty rose]

Why hatt and not cress

[fathom token]

that's why u use taunt, to stop that tailwind and/or other non-damaging moves that can result getting annoying

[misty rose]

Brother how do you plan on outspeeding tornadus with a prankster mon

Also mental herb exists

[fathom token]

idk, that's just a secondary thought, tornadus isn't THAT fast

and tornadus is used more with berries

[misty rose]

I really dont get your point

[winter gulch]

Tornadus has Prankster my guy

[fathom token]

that is what were literally talking about lol

[winter gulch]

yes and we're saying you can't really stop it from getting Tailwind up

[versed root]

I’m trying to get back into vgc so i made a dumb rain team

https://pokepast.es/d4f82f51959ca70b

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[versed root]

the core of it centers around urshifu and thunderus t

and maneuvering pelliper around ig

brambleghast can eat fighting attacks, wind attacks, and return with pretty heavy dmg

beartic is underperforming tbh but i kinda just wanted a fast sweeper so that exists

ting lu is ting lu

my team does get absolutely shredded by iron bundle

and rillaboom also can be very annoying

so improvements against those especially would be nice

im ok with stuff being replaced btw

also any better ev spreads would be appreciated

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/65a1ee6e7e82adc3

how good is this team synergy

[misty rose]

Rain teams really like tornadus and basculegion

Tornadus can enable non swift swim stuff with tailwind and then set up rain via rain dance

Basculegion's power in rain is near unparalleled, it's hard to deny KOs once it's wet

Your biggest enemy will be sun teams, which you cant rely on water attacks to dent

Tornadus alongside a fake out user can help beat torkoal lilligant-h leads

(Rain dance on torn, fake out lilli to break sash then tailwind + ko lilligant)

Also thundurus t does not have much to do in rain if it does not take advantage of its thunders

[misty rose]

@versed root
https://pokepast.es/8e15fbef397d2878
I am not the greatest teambuilder but i believe this team may be an improvement, you should ping someone more knowledgeable to take a second look if youd like

I can explain the changes if youd like

[nimble flame]

i like hatt more and also it just works well with indeedee

[misty rose]

Cresselia is generally much better at a support role with ally switch, massive bulk and lunar dance but if you find success with hatterene then 👍

Offensively hatt might perform better

But im not sure if its worth it without expanding force

[winter gulch]

not enough type diversity on this team, gets overwhelmed by certain types too easily

[misty rose]

like i said i am not a great teambuilder

But id guess you mean stuff like amoonguss

Or tera grass heatran

[winter gulch]

too many grass, electric, and rock weaks

and just not enough resisted types for stuff

[nimble flame]

So something like this for cress?

https://pokepast.es/b6f677d99d7d8de2

[winter gulch]

Protect > Clear Smog Torkoal

and maybe a different move on Cress bc idk if Ally Switch is the best here

[versed root]

I used thunderus t bc it has volt absorb to discourage spread electric moves and wildbolt storm goes brr sometimes, but I get if it’s not the best option

also is it necessary to have max speed urshifu

and also how should i use kilowattrel properly

[misty rose]

kilowattrel becomes an elec nuke after tailwind

[versed root]

also is it necessary for 4/6 of the mons to be tera water

[misty rose]

well

[versed root]

ig ill turn hands into grass

[misty rose]

2 offensive 2 defensive but you can change it if you deem appropriate

[versed root]

whats a good torn tera

electric?

[misty rose]

you should prolly ask @ astralbarrage they are better informed

[winter gulch]

ghost if you have Mental Herb or Dark if you have Covert Cloak

[versed root]

ghost then

also is damp rock good

i usually find my games ending around 5 turns anyway

sash lets pelliper live at least one hit but kilo has that soo

[winter gulch]

why extended it 3 turns when you can switch it back in and extend for 5 + have a better item

[lost phoenix]

Peli isnt staying in that long anyways

And usually damp rock is actively detrimental

[versed root]

yea thats what im saying

whats a good item for peli that isn’t sash

or should i move sash from kilo and get something else for it

maybe eject button/pack would be funny

pelli just sets up rain and dips

[winter gulch]

Here's a team sempra used at WCS for top 8

https://pokepast.es/43378fa2268408d7

with Pelliper

[versed root]

hm

seems neat

[naive dock]

https://pokepast.es/e3e289072b3dd99c silly little team i made

[naive dock]

btw the rillaboom and heatran spreads are taken from the vgc corner twitter cuz Im lazy and uninformed

and the rillaboom spread is made for av, so idk how well it even works

[frigid trail]

https://pokepast.es/8bcc58ef89c8bb68

thoughts on how i can improve this team?

[nimble flame]

Amoonguss, chien-pao, and ting-lu what can i add to this team? im thinking ghold

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/d549fd849d8cd9b6

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[austere wasp]

Ting lu doesnt need mental herb because you dont have something to be taunted for, i think it would be more beneficial if it has a lum berry / sitrus berry!

[austere wasp]

I think since you have a terrain of your own icicle crash is more beneficial in the team, I also think you can have volt switch /heavy slam instead of ice punch on hands, heavy slam mostly one shots flutter mane / volt switch is just for the free switch in into trick room for torkoal sweep

[frigid trail]

icicle on chien pao?

that does makes sense

although with chien i dont really plan on sending him into the terrain

heavy slam tho will help a lot with them flutters

[nimble flame]

okie

does wide lens raise the acc of ohko moves?

[austere wasp]

Nope

[nimble flame]

kk

[austere wasp]

Ohko doesnt bother with acc drops or boosts!

Fissure them Muk scovilians 😈

[frigid trail]

okay i slapped heavy slam on hands for a game to see if it would be worth

and it one tapped a flutter so ig its worth lol

[frigid trail]

Anything else about it? Btw im not running the torkoal

[austere wasp]

Oh oops

Meant like

Another sweeper

So armarouge

[frigid trail]

Ahhh okay

[austere wasp]

I think you can have sash with 252+ spa

Gurantees the tr more

[frigid trail]

On who

[austere wasp]

Flutter

Oh wait

U have chien pao mb

[frigid trail]

Yeee

Chien pao is kinda just a back up sweeper if my tr doesnt work or i see a dragonite garchomo

Garchomp

He wont be a mon i bring often but is there as a threat

[fossil jolt]

https://pokepast.es/231f2826c4a4bed3 i have no idea what im doin i just know these 2 work together

and that my team will be revolving around ceruledge

[sacred current]

https://pokepast.es/07c7eb463bbfa366
I think this could work but not sure

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[sacred current]

Also think of another enamorus set without superpower

Replaced with tera blast

Maybe this should work

[bold jackal]

https://pokepast.es/8d097749d4349813

[misty rose]

Bruxish and maushold seem like really weird picks here

[austere wasp]

i dont see how you can pop the wp in abomasnow there

@ r65

[austere wasp]

I see the idea, but it can be hard to a follow me, also try fake tears maybe haha

[sacred current]

So I tried fake tears on grimm earlier, funny you talked about it
But here I don't feel a lot of speed control with enamorus, and I feel like he hasn't enough defense to tank (like really he dies everytime lmao)
And with follow me, it's really uncommon without an armarouge set which can be passed with flutter mane

(i fell in a maushold/bruxish set earlier with the same idea and it went perfectly fine)

[sacred current]

Like this one lmao

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/67ae4b8402e6d686 Something about my team does not feel right, any recommended changes?

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[wild sinew]

Tera Water > Ghost to really stack damage in rain, boosts 2 of your lives and dodges Sucker punch weakness
Torn should be a Chien Pao tbh, you already have Pelliper and it boosts Basc and Urshifu.
Why meowscarada? Doesn't really do anything on the team and Pao is going to take the sash now, Rillaboom or Amoonguss are better for this team, they also benefit from rain and Amoon in particular can go Tera Steel with it
I like Specs Thundy if you go Rilla and Goggles NP Thundy if you go Amoonguss. If you go with Goggles NP, Urshifu can just have Mystic Water or Scarf

[haughty crag]

any recommended EV spreads for the pokemon (I picked chien and amoonguss)

should I run icicle crash or Ice spinner?+

[wild sinew]

Chien Pao; 12/236/4/0/4/252, Adamant or Jolly
Amoonguss; 236/0/180/0/92/0 Bold/Relaxed
NP Thundy; 164/0/52/36/148/108 Modest

Spinner vs Crash is preference

Rocky helmet + flinch vs accuracy

[wild sinew]

Make bruxish something like Hatt, Arma, Sylveon etc, just a good special trick room pokemon for fire-power, the first two having flexibility being able to set trick room themselves however Specs Sylveon will hit quite a bit harder, depends on preference
Replace maushold something like InDD which can provide a maushold-bruxish role in one and be better, synergies very well with the Arma/Hatt and does great with the team
Give Aboma an actually usable item, it has a lot of weaknesses but you want to Tera or just die there. I would actually suggest replacing Earth Power with helping hand as all of the pokemon that can replace bruxish have an available spread move which can be really strong
Tera Steel Glast just keeps the fighting and fire weakness, Tera Water or Electric with Tera Blast are good. You don't need Heavy Slam because Life Orb Icicle Crash is going to kill Flutter unless they're really Bulky anyway, if they're Tera Water they still resist heavy slam so it's not giving you a use. Tera blast or cose combat will benefit you more. You could go Assault Vest and give Abomasnow the Life Orb if you want to keep heavy slam
Tera Fairy on Cress is just infinitely better, Thunderbolt isn't good for anything tbh, Ice beam/Psychic are better attacks and you can run other moves like calm mind, helping hand, ally switch or even protect, Cress is very flexible but I just wouldn't suggest Thunderbolt as it hits nothing of value
Drain punch Ursa is unnecessary, You have Lunar blessing for healing and its just another move you never want to click since Facade and EQ will hit everything it hits. You don't have a way to punish passive play so I'd suggest Swords Dance/Bulk Up in the third moveslot, Tera Ghost, Water, Grass or Fairy are generally better than ground, especially when using Swords dance

[wild sinew]

We don't rate incomplete teams I believe

[bold jackal]

https://pokepast.es/577ff28c8cfc1733 I have made some changes based on your suggestions and wanted to see what you thought @wild sinew

[wild sinew]

• Sylveon is Specs, it shouldnt have yawn and protect. Hyper Beam, quick attack, Shadow Ball and Psyshock are decent options. Remember to change its Tera for Tera Blast
• Fake out is bad on Indeedee as psychic surge blocks priority, that should be helping hand protect, Psychic or another utility move like heal pulse. Tera Fairy is the way to go. I'd also actually suggest using rocky helmet and giving safety to Cresselia, it benefits more because it can heal away sleep from allies with Lunar blessing
• I meant a healing berry like Sitrus or Wiki
• Glast is good, Cress is fine after the item change and Ursa is a decent set.

[bold jackal]

https://pokepast.es/0362fcd05f816a6d @wild sinew

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[wild sinew]

Ig this is fine, won't give suggestions I already have

[bold jackal]

ok thank you for the help. @wild sinew

[wild sinew]

You're welcome

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/dc99e5924317a638 sun team

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[dawn elm]

https://pokepast.es/c62bd63b102fd032

I thought that Regidrago had potential so I built a team around it

[wild sinew]

Sunny Day > Protect on Torn and I'd say Air Slash > Bleakwind
Sitrus/Rocky Helmet > Black Sludge Amoonguss, once you Tera you're taking chip and the passive healing is usually not enough to justify it or lefties over the better items. Swap Def and SpD going bold, the format is primarily physical and living Chien Pao is big. You could go 180 def and 92 spd bold to guarantee it vs adamant. Tera Dark is also not as good, prankster/psyspam immunity vs safely redirecting the two most common pokemon in the format
FlutterYu here can be 2 things
Life orb Timid Flutter with Icy Wind over one of the fairy moves and 68/0/140/156/4/132 as a spread. This way you go Tera Ghost Choice Specs Chi Yu with Snarl or Tera Blast over Protect. (140/0/76/116/12/164 is good)
Or Specs Flutter with less SpA and more speed/bulk. (100/0/156/84/4/164 Timid is fine), and Fast strong Life Orb Chi Yu.
Gholdengo is fine although I don't like it on this team, you want to support Regidrago with something like Farigiraf or InDD, block priority that may be a burden for Dragon Energy spam. Chi Yu-Flutter Mane and Regidrago already provide plenty enough pressure and I think you want to focus on supporting them instead of adding more offensive threats

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/d28d783b182189da experimental rain team. Garchomp I’m open to switching out with better ideas

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[misty rose]

Id use tera steel on chomp instead of poison

ice and psychic resist are good

You have a very rough matchup vs flutter mane

[topaz edge]

Yea I thought about how to deal with flutter mane but couldn’t think of anything that would do well with my other mons

[wild sinew]

Pelipper + Tornadus is just not good considering they do very similar things, Youd get more value out of other pokemon. If you want to focus on the rain aspect you'd replace Tornadus with Swift Swim Life Orb Basculegion and give pelli another item. Wide Guard, helping hand and Tailwind are very valuable. Otherside you'd replace Pelipper with your own Flutter Mane and make Tornadus a bulkier Cloak set
I don't understand the Thundurus, Nasty Plot, Assault Vest, Choice Specs or Life Orb with Tera Blast Flying/Water/Ice would be your better options, it's not meant to run Taunt. Snarl isn't really recommended either, Volt Switch or Coverage is a lot more valuable
Garchomp just does not fit here or do anything of value? Chien Pao or Iron Hands would give you a lot more general value and even be better vs Flutter Mane who you acknowledge is a problem
Brute Bonnet is worse Amoonguss unless on sun tbh, if you're worried you can always run Taunt on Tornadus. Amoon can output burst damage if you want it to with leaf storm or heal your allies, along with have room for Spore (really really good). Typing also really helps your team. If you intend to keep Brute Bonnet I do suggest Spore > Taunt and Tera Poison at least

[topaz edge]

For thundurus, therian form is more valuable then regular correct? Or am I being foolish in using t-thundurus?

[wild sinew]

Thundurus-T is better on rain, it wouldn't run the same supportive moves but be an offensive piece

[topaz edge]

Ok thanks

https://pokepast.es/ac9b8a144b738974

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/3268519c6d5b1f41

[misty rose]

Looks good but youd probably get more mileage out of swapping indeedee for a sun abuser or something

Your flutter mane does not do much here because you have no speed control besides trick room

Also your 248 hp and 8 atk evs are being unoptimal on ursaluna, swapping it to 244 hp/4 atk gives the same stats

Either make it 252 hp 4 atk or 244 hp 12 atk

Seeing as you have 2 awkwardly placed mons you should probably swap one to aid the other

Unless you want to make flutter mane speed protosynthesis instead of spatk and give it specs/life orb so it can actually do something in face of tornadus-less teams/whenever you run out of TR, but im not sure about the logistics of all that

https://pokepast.es/3e7375a1a8837c52 id do something like this personally

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[misty rose]

Idk if tera water for amoongus as well is the best choice

But i dont see other types doing the defensive job particularly better while keeping the water resist so its fine i guess

@nimble flame

[hidden path]

weird team

need opinions tho

https://pokepast.es/b3da63ff5e109c32

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[hidden path]

cant find a replacement for rmoon

[misty rose]

i think roaring moon is fine here

1s

[winter gulch]

oh gosh wtf

this team is uh

not fun to play against and makes anyone playing against you instantly not like you

[misty rose]

yea

also it relies on luck

to do anything

maybe you'd like something more consistent

[winter gulch]

playing that team imo depends more on team MUs and whether your opponent knows their lines against that team or not

and obviously you maximizing your win cons as much as possible

[misty rose]

you are probably running out of pjab pp

before being able to kill cresselia

[digital sierra]

do trick room mimikyus tend to run minus speed natures?

[hidden path]

LMAOO YEAH

some guy told me to kill myself

and said

and i quote

'i hope your family burns in front of you'

[hidden path]

im using cress now

also im using psych up w moody cuz im doing a tr team now

[misty rose]

prolly, mimikyu is fairly speedy

unless you dont want to commit to hard tr

[hidden path]

is there a way to make it work?

https://pokepast.es/20d6474d7b81f813

i could def improve

but its 3

also put a bit into spatk so i have some versatility

and used sludge bomb and poison jab

imma watch some yt to see how i can make it work

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/963edf822bff0221 this team could go either way, which two mons could i add tho

2 strats so should i just add some well rounders?

[austere wasp]

I dont like bright powder on scov, the aim for scov is to die early so that muk can get the moody

I like the idea, would suggest like a flamingo to costar it :p

[hidden path]

alrighty

should i put 0 ivs

[hidden path]

dont like flamigo

thats the only reason

[austere wasp]

Oki

[hidden path]

shud i out 0 ivs in defense n hp since its supposed to die

[austere wasp]

Nah not rly

U can always rage powder

[hidden path]

k

it lives somethomes

times

on like 4%

hp

[austere wasp]

I mean it doesnt always need to die its also annoying when alive

Like u can wow the opp

Etcetc

[hidden path]

hm true true

[austere wasp]

Maybe another combo like dondozo tatsugiti

Idk just throwing some suggestions

[hidden path]

k

so you suggest last two spots for dozogiri

?

idk how i could switch that in

Spectrier @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Grim Neigh
Level: 50
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Shadow Ball
• Psychic
• Tera Blast
• Draining Kiss

Baxcalibur @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Thermal Exchange
Level: 50
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 252 HP / 148 Atk / 108 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Icicle Spear
• Glaive Rush
• Protect
• Helping Hand

im using these 2 rn

they acc work pretty well

psychic + hand one shots amoongus

cuz bax is slow but can get the other mod

mon

[magic dune]

https://pokepast.es/6655f30c8af7351a anyone have any tips/advice for how to improve this team I cant make it past 1400 on the ladder

[austere wasp]

Maybe flutter mane over gholdengo

Can go booster or stay orb

Those kinda teams is already good so if theres no really any advice on how to improve it

Maybe u turn to pivot stuff in lando thats bout it

[magic dune]

thank you

[wild sinew]

Sets don't make as much sense imo

Urshifu-R is just better for this team and as a Scarfer. I would still suggest Mystic Water for this team to help position.
4 hp on Iron Hands from Atk, you're wasting some there. And what is it meant to do? Feels a bit too fast and strong
Make Landorus Tera Flying Tera Blast over Swords Dance and slot in U Turn over rock slide, on this team it wants to cycle intimidate and threaten to output immidiete damage. Really strong glue that helps position Ghold to set up, which looks to be the wincon for this team?
Move 16 EVs to Atk on Chien Pao, they don't do anything. And it's way too exploitable without protect, I suggest it over Ice Shard but you could also drop Sacred. Sucker/Ice Move/Crunch/Protect is my personal preference since you dropped Urshifu-SS and you have Urshifu + Hands for fighting coverage.
The Ghold feels like it wants to do too many things. Nasty Plot is my personal favourite here but you could go Specs just fine. With Nasty Plot you'd give it Leftovers and invest more into bulk. 164/0/124/100/12/108 and 236/0/4/132/36/100 Modest are both good depending on what you prefer.

The team overall though is really good, very similar to Japan Balance and probably takes a bit more practice

[magic dune]

Here is the updated team: https://pokepast.es/11c67c9071297240I am going to do some ladder testing but thanks so much for the help

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[hidden path]

cs swords dance on landorus

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/fb8202670a4081bd this is something i thought up while watching worlds

[wild sinew]

I suggest giving Urshifu-SS a go, a lot better into the Dozo mirror and let's you afford to not run unaware, oblivious usually being really good. You don't have rain and you're stacking up on water types anyway so Ursh SS just plays better into this team
Not a fan of Grimmsnarl here tbh, I'd suggest Flutter Mane in that slot. Screens don't really do anything for you especially when you have Tailwind, 2 different archetypes I don't like mixing
Don't like the Tera Steel Dozo, Tera Grass (and sometimes Flying) with Tera Blast over EQ/Order Up is ideal so you don't lose to Urshifus and Amoonguss. Oblivious is also hard to ignore
Tatsu wants Protect over Icy Wind if you are more comfortable with a Sash set, otherwise you go Scarf

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/c72eceee5bde028d

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[hidden path]

made a few changes

[wild sinew]

What is white herb for

[misty rose]

Right off the bat:

• Scovillain is not worth using as a redirector. Bad bulk and mediocre speed means it will probably never get a chance to fire off anything. If you're using it for moody alone you should evaluate whether muk is consistent enough against competent players to be worth using (i dont know, never tried it)
• Muk is hard walled by Dodonzo. There is nothing to be done if it has rest, and you still might get pp stalled if it holds leftovers
• Flamigo does nothing to flutter mane on its own and personally i would not like to rely on moody giving me the right boosts just for a single target nuke that can be outdone by other things and can struggle to pick up KOs vs certain bulky mons without a boost
• Regieleki could maybe be used alongside flamigo as a form of speed control via Electroweb, which yours does not have
• Gastrodon does not do much to most mons and those it deters dont get walled by it, and there are no teammates to abuse strikeless urshifu
• Screens grimmsnarl is good but you have no mons that set up besides muk so i'm not sure about this mon's value on this team specifically

Your strategy revolves around scovillain dying and you getting lucky with muk

This is not consistent

In my opinion

Personally id make a team with muk, not a team that revolves around making muk work

Unless, ofc, you're just playing for fun

Im not really sure how to improve on this team without really changing the concepts

[misty rose]

Costar copies all of the moody user's stats, including negative ones

[hidden path]

white herb flam tho

ah k

[hidden path]

i used gastro as an urshifu counter mostly

[hidden path]

ye i am but also tryna get high on ladder

[misty rose]

then this team will not cut it

[hidden path]

whats an ability that would work well with power of alchemy then?

cuz i def wanna use it

[misty rose]

i don't know honestly

arena trap/shadow tag?

you can do perish trap shenanigans

[hidden path]

i really dont like peerish trap

[misty rose]

then idk what to tell you

[hidden path]

yo one sec huge power

[topaz edge]

https://pokepast.es/ac9b8a144b738974 redid my rain team based on previous feedback and just wanted to see if there were any other improvements I could make that I didn’t think of. Pretty sure I’ve covered for flutter mane pretty well now

[drifting onyx]

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[misty rose]

Sadly prankster tailwind enables enemy flutter mane to pick up one essential KO turn 1 on something or forces your tera

[naive dock]

why iron head over heavy slam on iron hands?

[topaz edge]

I figured iron head would be better overall

[misty rose]

heavy slam is preferred

What's your gameplan vs flutter? Since you said you had it covered

@topaz edge

[naive dock]

av hands I assume?

[misty rose]

252+ SpA Protosynthesis Flutter Mane Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Iron Hands: 216-254 (82.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

You arent likely to run into modest and spa proto at the same time

[naive dock]

or 252 spA

[wild sinew]

Damp Rock/Focus Sash > Wacan Berry, you'd change the spread depending on item. There's not a lot of electric and you'd rather live every Hit while investing in offence or make your rain last longer for something like late game swift swim. Hurricane > Hydro for the accuracy, you already have Basc and Ursh for water type damage. Protect over one of the utility moves, just really valuable on it. Tera Flying for Sash to threaten Amoonguss and Tera Steel on damp rock so you can semi reliably set up Tailwind in the face of pokemon like Flutter
Protect > Crunch, Crunch doesn't hit anything you can't remove with Last Respects or Wave Crash, playing around Chien Pao and protecting yourself in general is more important.
Thundy is fine, consider Sludge Bomb or Grass Knot over Flash Canon as you have enough for Flutter.
Make Amoonguss physically bulkier with rocky helmet and Tera Steel, you have rain for the fire weakness and it benefits more from redirecting physical attackers like Pao, breaking Sash.
Bulkier Urshifu is always ideal. 44/155/4/0/140/164 Adamant is probably enough. You want to live faster things like Flutter Mane when you Tera away your fairy weakness
Make Iron Hands Max SpD and Tera Grass/Water, Heavy Slam is generally better because you only care about hitting Flutter. Any other fairy type drops to it or Wild Charge.

[misty rose]

But its something to take into account that it can be overwhelmed

[wild sinew]

:3

[topaz edge]

In an ideal situation it’s either steel Tera iron hands or I guess heavy slam, or swift swim basc with helping hand pelipper.

[misty rose]

There is something i would add here

Not sure if its an oversight but amoonguss is tera grass in that pokepaste

Should be water i think

Wait sorry you said it

[wild sinew]

Yeah I mentioned to make it Tera Steel
Rain shuts down fire weakness and then your resists become valuable

[naive dock]

yeah also the spreads are really flat

like basc doesnt need the 252 speed, just make sure it hits 107 so you outspeed pult in rain

[topaz edge]

Man everytime I think I make a solid team or adjustment y’all have like 6 new ideas I didn’t consider or think about lol

[naive dock]

happens

if that wasnt the case then there would be a perfect team, but there just isnt

[topaz edge]

Well I’ll go back to the drawing board and readjust the mons.

[topaz edge]

Mainly for spreads I get lost in what stats need what so I generally go off what teambuilder auto lists

[wild sinew]

You can get away with most of them

[naive dock]

252+ Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 76 Def Basculegion on a critical hit: 81-96 (41.5 - 49.2%) -- approx. 3HKO this could be useful

[topaz edge]

just gonna copy all this stuff to my notes app lmao

[naive dock]

fair

ev spreads can be annoying but when you build one right it feels so satisfying

like this one I once made for a draft league

[wild sinew]

By the way this will have common sets including EVs for popular pokemon, more will be added soon but for now you can use it for these
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc23-series-4/

[misty rose]

32 is a wasted 4 evs, same yield as 28

Same as 56

[topaz edge]

Guess I know what I’m doing tonight

[misty rose]

completely unrelated but very cute pfp

[topaz edge]

Thanks. Made it myself :)

[wild sinew]

This was lvl 100 and no fake out along with 252 Def so it was prob a singles spread?
Not too sure

[misty rose]

oh

[proven ocean]

need some help with my singles vgc team its solid overall but i want to swap out kingambit and zorark for something more practical since they seem more like a reliability https://pokepast.es/4418181b9593b3e7

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

What do you mean singles vgc?

[proven ocean]

battle stadium single

[wild sinew]

There's another thread for that

#1060690402711183370

[sharp aurora]

Would anybody help me improve my team? https://pokepast.es/afa1ff937686e5e9

[drifting onyx]

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[shrewd horizon]

there's way too many support mons here and way too little to abuse the support. Amoonguss + Tornadus + Scream Tail + Arcanine is just a lot of support mons that do not necessary synergize very well

would recommend rillaboom over Amoonguss, Hisuian-Arcanine over the regular Arcanine and problaby Chien-Pao over Scream Tail. Though it looks like a lot of changes, hisuian arcanine and regular arcanine are not too different and both Rillaboom and Amoonguss fill the role of supportive Grass-type

chien-pao is there because its an insane partner to scarf shifu and pairs well with arc-h and rilla

[sharp aurora]

Got it

[warm torrent]

heres my vgc 2023 regulation D team

https://pokepast.es/6ab1d2e57667809f

does anyone have any ideas for things I can improve?

[floral pine]

first vgc regulation d rain team
i havent played comp in a year so i had to relearn how to build teams anything I could improve on? https://pokepast.es/74d07b494ce77018

[wild sinew]

Solid team
The Torn is good, consider Air Slash because no rain and Cloak as a reassurance. Both items and moves will come down to what you're more comfortable with, I just suggest trying both
Drago is also fine, how is Specs doing for you? It can work but will be a lot harder to pilot
Urshifu just benefits a lot more from Tera Poison, granting it a Fairy resist. Life Orb is okay but I think Black Glasses Swords Dance is stronger here
I would suggest Farigiraf over Arcanine, Having Tailroom is really strong when your fastest damage dealer is 97 Spe, priority will pair well with Regidrago, especially when you can't protect to position out of it.
Basculin..? With Arc gone I like Landorus, Rillaboom or Iron Hands in that slot for a bit more utility and easier time to let Farigiraf get up Trick room. I think the best way you can build the team in general is to focus on Regidrago; immidiete Nuke, amazing for clean up once it's checks are removed, and Urshifu; set up sweeper. Abusing Intim/Fake Out along with Amoonguss redirection and Farigiraf/Regidrago being really threatening. You're going to get a turn to SD a lot
Amoonguss generally prefers rocky helmet or Sitrus because of their impact on the game, rocky helmet can make you a threat to Urshifu-RS and Ice Spinner Chien Pao along with get some crucial chip, while Sitrus gives you a burst heal which can come in clutch a lot more than the slow 6% from lefties

[wild sinew]

I would highly suggest trying out pre existing teams to get a feel for the format and a better understanding of why x is here and y is there, especially since you haven't played in a while. Regardless, I'll rate the team

You have the rain core right, just some sets could be improved

Urshifu for example would prefer Water as an offensive Tera or Grass/Steel defensively. Moveset is good but it'll want a bit of a bulkier EV Spread. 44/156/4/0/132/172 Adamant is a good example. Living Extreme Speed and Specs Moonblast when you Tera Water.
Protect > Helping Hand, team is still pretty frail and would really appreciate a semi consistent tailwind, helping hand is unnecessary and protect will give you room to position
Bellibolt is just bad especially when you have Thundy-T already. Specs Flutter Mane or Sash Chien Pao are who I'd recommend in this slot
Basculegion is wasting EVs, at level 50 make sure your EVs are divisible by 4 but not by 8 because the first 4 give a point, and then you increase by 8 EVs. Generally you only want 28/4/4 bulk and the rest in attack and Speed anyway
Amoonguss likes Rocky helmet/Sitrus, your team is good into Dozo imo so clear Smog is a lot worse than protect here
Protect > Flash Canon, Wildbolt Storm > Thunder. Spread damage is so good and protect is protect. I would also suggest Tera Flying since no ground type wants to touch your team. Tera Flying Tera Blast threatens the dangerous grass types a lot more and let's Thundy remove both Grass and Water types for Urshifu and Basculegion to clean up

[floral pine]

Got it

Thanks I’ll make those changes when possible

I forgot to change most of the Tera types and left them as default

[grand umbra]

Oh god this team is horrible.

I don't mean to be rude. It's just surprisingly bad. Most of these mons aren't very effective in doubles.

[warm torrent]

I don't think farigiraf over arc would work since arc is my main way of countering fluttermane + sun

[wild sinew]

If thats an issue you can always go rain dance over protect, its not a pokemon that wants to last on the field. Trick Room Kind of answers Flutter itself as you have pokemon that will capitalise on it

[warm torrent]

damn thats really clever

do you think wyrdeer would be better over farigiraf because of intimidate support?

[wild sinew]

Imo priority block is really important for Regidrago

[floral pine]

Lmao I did the same thing

And I have the same core

[olive pike]

Any advice on building out this core? https://pokepast.es/f4545f62e0027606

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

I don't believe we rate incompleted teams, #comp-general / #comp-general-2 are channels you can use to complete the team if you need help and then paste the final idea here

[tulip totem]

https://pokepast.es/4daa87493bad7192 been working on this one for a bit, the ev spreads aren’t final. im open to suggestions, any thoughts?

(format is doubles ou because I was testing it on ladder, this is intended for vgc)

[digital sierra]

https://pokepast.es/b3132f65aaa835e9 i figured i might give a sun team a go

[misty rose]

Expert belt on lilligant wont hit much with pollen puff and leaf blade, swap it for sash and slot in sleep powder

[digital sierra]

oops i forgot to replace pollen puff with ice spinner lol

[digital sierra]

so replace spinner with sleep powder then?

[misty rose]

uhh yeah

[digital sierra]

other than that, are there any other weaknesses this team has?

[misty rose]

talonflame is not a great sun abuser

and you'd probably want to go for heat wave/air slash instead of physical

brave bird is counterintuitive with gale wings

[digital sierra]

other then that, is the team ready to go?

[misty rose]

@digital sierra what's zen headbutt for

[digital sierra]

amoonguss

[misty rose]

pointless when you have wicked blow

[digital sierra]

what should i have instead?

[misty rose]

https://pokepast.es/8b082b8d69d65ec7 this is my suggestion

but the trick room matchup is reeeeally rough

and im not sure what you'd want to sub out here for something to better handle it

wait let me fix something

there

[misty rose]

your best bet is nuking with torkoal or something

it does OHKO but im not picturing it being too reliable

@digital sierra

[digital sierra]

aight cool thanks

[misty rose]

im not an expert so someone else might help with the EV spreads

[olive pike]

https://pokepast.es/db7da5723a5d830f

[wild sinew]

Oh damn woke up to a few

[wild sinew]

I don't like chien pao here tbh, feels too alone and only really helps Iron Hands who isn't supposed to be doing damage. I'd suggest Urshifu R here to complete your FWGF core and go for a more balanced approach
Giga Drain isn't great on Amoonguss, Pollen Puff is amazing with Iron Hands and Heatran while Leaf Storm is your premier attacking option to do big damage to things like Urshifu and Ursaluna
You can make Flutter Mane Bulky Choice Specs, 68/0/140/132/4/164 Timid or 100/0/204/36/4/164 Modest are example spreads. Not really a fan of Booster on this pivot oriented team and you want the bulk to live faster/things that speed tie you
Iron Hands doesn't need as much attack investment and because it's hp is so high, you shouldn't prioritise it. 4/156/4/0/252/92 or moving 80 Atk to hp are pretty good. I'd say I like Volt Switch over Heavy Slam because with Eeriee impulse Thundurus and Heatran, your Flutter matchup is really good and getting Urshifu or Flutter in safely might be really nice as they are the breakers of the team. Tera Water/Grass is better for it.
Thundurus wants to be bulkier and disruption. 252/0/188/4/4/60 Bold, or if you're more comfortable with it offensively, 164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest. It generally does not need Covert Cloak as unlike Tornadus teams, not getting a Twave first turn is fine and you have your own Bulky team that can function without a Thundurus lead. If you are still worried you would go Tera Ghost but Water, Grass and Steel are Better imo. Items you can use over Cloak are Safety goggles, rocky helmet or Sitrus Berry.
Protect > Wisp and Sub > Flash Cannon is generally the better set for Leftovers Heatran, you want to gain that extra recovery and sit on the field, as well as help reposition which balance loves to do. Flash Cannon doesn't hit enough and you gain a lot of free turns to Substitue with Hands, Amoongus and Thundurus support. Slap on 188/0/4/236/4/76 Modest for EVs and you're set

Lmk if you want any more clarification on something

[wild sinew]

@digital sierra I can rate this version of the team as a lot of the changes I'd make have been applied

Liligant should be Tera Ghost to dodge fake out and extreme speed, Solar Blade is worth it over Leaf Blade for the Urshifu and Flutter Mane knock out.
With Specs I think I like Solar Beam on Torkoal over Sludge Bomb, yes you have Liligant but I think a mode should be changed on this team Ill elaborate on
Chi is fine I guess, it's potential items are taken up so you either go Scarf or Goggles
Id actually suggest to switch Torn and Urshifu for InDD Armarouge. Being able to go Fast eruptions with Liligant and a trick room mode is really strong Especially when they have different answers. Mind Plate or Life Orb Arma and Safety Goggles/Psychic Seed/Rocky Helmet InDD
Flutter would use a bulkier spread, Pixie Plate is an option if you want Life Orb Armarouge. 68/0/140/132/4/164 Timid if you want the speed boost and 84/0/188/116/4/124 Modest if you want the SpA boost

Feel free to ask me to explain any of the changes you don't understand

[digital sierra]

understood

thanks

[misty rose]

Forgot to change lilligants tera

[tall ore]

https://pokepast.es/8214e8edb5e6be07

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tall ore]

i want to use lucario and i feel that it can fit in with the rest of the team

i was wondering if any changes can be made to improve it's usefulness or possible calculations to be aware of

[misty rose]

Lucario has stab bullet punch

An incredible flutter mane denial tool

You dont need to run pjab when youve got steel stab

Oh wow it does not ohko flutter mane without tera

I honestly dont see lucario working at all

It does not provide any utility something else doesnt, it does not provide any offensive capabilities to make it worth using and its paper thin in a metagame ran by nuclear bombs

Samurott is also not fit for vgc, if you want a bulky water there are many better options and if you want an offensive water there are also much better picks like meta staple urshifu

[misty rose]

My suggestion is
Lucario @ Focus Sash
Ability: Inner Focus
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Swords Dance
• Bullet Punch
• Close Combat
• Rock Slide

I dont see the use of pjab or a steel stab that isnt bullet punch

Sash lets you guarantee a sd unless urshifu is your opp, which with tera can grab some OHKOs on neutral hits

Rock slide is generally useful vs genies and such

And cc is useful vs anything that resists steel

[tall ore]

well generally i bring samurott against urshifu's because grass knot ohko's

[misty rose]

You will need to get something on your team to handle tornadus and urshifu though

[tall ore]

samurott usually acts for both

although tera poison might be better against genies

since against lando t i just use ice beam

[misty rose]

With tornadus i meant

Either deny the speed control or force a tera

[tall ore]

ohh right right

[misty rose]

Just killing it immediately might end up benefitting the enemy player instead by allowing them to bring in a second nuclear bomb

This team also heavily struggles vs trick room

I think

And you are gonna be forced to change your lineup if you want to fix that

[tall ore]

well i gave samurott taunt for dealing with opposing tailwind

[misty rose]

tornadus has prankster so it wont matter

The only way to do it is through fake out

[tall ore]

right yeah

[misty rose]

Your hands can do it

[tall ore]

what about a more support oriented lucario with wide guard and life dew?

[misty rose]

But it cant live 2 moonblasts idt

[misty rose]

Support pokemon usually dont want to be as paper thin as lucario

And theyd preffer to have some defensive advantages

[tall ore]

right

[misty rose]

Lucario has a generally bad defensive typing whose only advantage is resisting fairy

In regulation d

Sadly not every pokemon can be viable

[tall ore]

unfortunate

any suggestions for replacements? i used to have amoongus but i never end up using it

[misty rose]

Amoongus is good

So good in fact that urshifu often runs an item (safety goggles) to completely ignore it

So idt id say its reliable enough

On paper its an excellent addition to your team though

[tall ore]

yeah, maybe i just dont really know how to utilize it

[misty rose]

Spore rage powder pollen puff and last move up to you

[tall ore]

i just find that whenever i bring it, it doesn't do much

[misty rose]

Definetely not for this team composition

But bulkier teams appreciate its redirection and good defensive typing + support

Its an extremely obnoxious mon because it can sleep you again and again while being really bulky

And prevent you from killing its partners

[tall ore]

i feel like my team doesnt really have any grass offensive users other than samu who has to rely on grass knot

on paper what does rillaboom do for my team?

[misty rose]

Fake out support, small longevity boost and deters urshifu

[tall ore]

so in the case i dont want to bring hands or hands would be a detrimant?

[misty rose]

Both are good in face of urshifu

But hands is better if its tornadus and urshifu specifically

Because it kills both

[tall ore]

right

[misty rose]

The thing here is that

If they decide to tera ghost to block fake out or are running covert cloak then urshifu kills whatever is alongside hands guaranteed

Unless you use your own tera

[tall ore]

right

[misty rose]

Im really not an expert in this though

Teambuilding that is

[tall ore]

has iron leaves seen much usage?

[misty rose]

You should ping someone among these

[tall ore]

@winter gulch

[misty rose]

Barely any

It really wants both modest and timid to do anything in the face of metagame staples

And the typing is unfortunate defensively

[tall ore]

gotcha

shit i really dont know what to use in that slot

like i fairly regularly use all the others

what about chesnaught or brambleghast?

[austere wasp]

https://twitter.com/1803gi/status/1697552570309623858/photo/1 some samurott team if u want one!

スライム (@1803gi)

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[hidden path]

gotta love off meta teams

[wild sinew]

We only rate complete teams so this wouldn't be the right channel

[fathom token]

Shit

Ok lemme search another channel, srry

[tall ore]

after using rillaboom it fits pretty well

[umbral valve]

https://pokepast.es/dc48a935b1d2af01

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[austere wasp]

i dont like thundurus and indeedee on the same team

id recommend something like maushold / amoonguss!

[wild sinew]

Me write essay Ig

[misty rose]

Running indeedee without armarouge when you also have urshifu seems weird

Also that flutter set is Not Good

[umbral valve]

Ok what can I use Instead of flutter

[umbral valve]

Yeah I only use indeedee to help drago

[misty rose]

No, flutter mane is one of the best mons atm

Its just the set thats atrocious

[umbral valve]

Yeah I cant lie I only used thorns cuz I like him

But I think he's good for something

I just don't know

Yeah but any way I use indeedee and drago to clear everything

And mainly use Thundurus for trick room teams

Urshifu is just good

And I use thorns for speed control

And I use flutter cuz it's flutter

[wild sinew]

Regidrago is wasting EVs there, honestly just go 252/252 Modest as it works just fine. Similar Drago spreads succeed because your goal is simply to not get hit
InDD is also wasting EVs but they're really strange, why speed and SpA investment? Just go Max hp, 36 spd and 220 def Calm/Bold. Also trick room is a must, over Protect or Helping Hand ideally
Iron Thorns is just bad and gives you nothing of value here, It could work with support but feels like you just Splashed it on an already existing core and the two don't mix well. Big fan of a second setter like Armarouge or Hatterene, or a sweeper like Ursaluna in that slot.
Thundurus should be a Tornadus, it's form of speed control is blocked by your own terrain and you prevent yourself from bringing both, making it a lot less flexible. Tailwind gives you a fast mode you can use against slower teams with Drago, Urshifu and Flutter Mane
Not too keen on Banded Urshifu, I like Scarf or Goggles a lot more but it shouldn't be a big hindrance
Either make Flutter Mane bulky Choice Specs with Moonblast over Imprison and your choice over Protect, or make it bulkier Booster Energy (either boost works fine). Sash is just not that good when you can EV to live neutral hits in the meta and the best counter being Opposing Flutter Mane

For future reference you can use https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc23-series-4/ for EV spreads. If you want to make your own keep in mind they have to be a multiple of 4 but not a multiple of 8 to not waste EVs

Probably going to sleep now, feel free to ask any questions and if no one responds, I will in the morning

[umbral valve]

Ok thank you

[autumn wolf]

https://pokepast.es/623b8f56b45cd711

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Love the team, think a lot of my suggestions are oversights or being optimal
Liligant should be Tera Ghost to not be pressured by fake out and extreme speed, and should have encore/sleep powder over Leaf Blade for the added utility
Generally not a fan of specs Torkoal because you really limit yourself, Charcoal with Protect is far more consistent imo, especially when you can use helping hand to further boost the threat of Typhlosion
Your Flutter Mane should be bulkier and carry an item like Specs, Pixie Plate, Life orb etc. You have sun for Protosynthesis afterall. 68/0/140/132/4/164 Timid is a fine example
Articuno is just not very good, Tornadus seems to do everything better there
I think Lando T is better krookadile here in many ways, they're both ground types to check Heatran but it can hit it even after Tera with a 100% accurate move that also guaranteed kills it. It also has utility with U Turn to get in Typhlosion safely and is better statwise

[autumn wolf]

Ok thank you!!

[fathom token]

I finished the clawitzer team, and it’s a lot different than I thought it would be, do u guys like it??
https://pokepast.es/00d70e238d64e5e9

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[native knoll]

hi chat can you vote my team? https://pokepast.es/b9ada608b9d5270a

[winter gulch]

I would pribably go Grassy Surge Miracle Seed Rillaboom

Actually Sitrus is fine

I would consider Wood Hammer

[floral pine]

Love the teams mons I actually made a similar one

[oak silo]

hey gamers how goods the sun team https://pokepast.es/76ffa4aa20c26df8

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew, @austere wasp. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

Assuming you're new, would suggest taking a look at sample or worlds teams
I'd have to remove like 4 pokemon to have a viable core and build around it, as well as drastically change sets.

[misty rose]

Nah moon can work

Only 3 need the axe

Moon is very very versatile with tera

[spiral shale]

moon is pretty cope atm imo

[wild sinew]

It can but I don't like it with Lilikoal

And if you're using Heat Wave Moon, would generally recommend using a pre existing team to get familiar with the meta

[misty rose]

yeah of course

[austere wasp]

Can definitely change heat wave to jaw lock/crunch/throat chop

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/9288f53256e97b5f urshifu tornadus pair obviously chi yu and storm drain gastrodon pair then amoongus is great support and corviknight is here to help deal with trick room shinanegans

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

You should avoid thinking of pokemon as pairs and moreso as a whole team. Gastro + Chi pair well sure, but Gastro + Urshi pair horribly, you redirect your own water attacks and it's not ideal
It's also redundant when you already have Amoonguss.

On the team itself though, I like the first 4 as a great core. Fine Teras, moveset, and items along with spreads from the dex. Creates a nice pivot core and accounts for speed control.

I would suggest speed booster Flutter Mane over Gastradon to further support your slower Urshifu and Chi Yu, also a natural partner for Chi Yu getting that 33% boost which makes up for the loss in power when not using Specs.
I think Corviknight is matchup fishing as it accomplishes nothing outside of trick room and doesn't do a lot there either. I think you should take a look at Iron Hands who does that job better. Fake Out + Taunt into Mental Herb Cress is for example something.

[fathom token]

I surely love getting ignored

[native knoll]

Thx yeah i forget to use grassy surge lol

[nimble flame]

team works well so thanks

[misty rose]

do you want to use clawitzer no matter what

cuz its not great idt

does not hit flutter mane or urshifu, too frail, faster than ursaluna

https://pokepast.es/373630b3b9551d34

[drifting onyx]

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[misty rose]

id make these changes

personally

Peliper just isnt good enough imo to slot it in over tornadus who is much more useful and does not commit your whole playstyle to rain while using it. The evs allow it to live tera fairy flutter mane moonblast

Clawitzer just isnt good sadly

It does not have the tools to hit a lot of meta prevalent mons for enough damage so that it doesnt get killed in return

I gave sitrus berry to indeedee over psychic seed because it feels like it helps it against mons like urshifu and ursaluna too to a significant degree, tera ghost can be used to help win trick room mirrors vs ursaluna alongside armarouge's wide guard

Who is clawitzer's replacement

19 ivs in speed are used to hit exactly 80 speed, which is slower than 0 iv -spe cresselia

Its a trick room monster that really restricts your opp's picks

It can one tap ursaluna with expanding force at +1

[austere wasp]

Clawtizer team by james baek!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fGC7LbcjQ

[misty rose]

I also forgot to change urshifu and ursaluna's movesets

[slim finch]

https://pokepast.es/16786f179877ec83
Very new to competitive pokemon, like first time. Tried making a team and want to improve in team making. Team is about abusing sunny day via tornadus and speed control with tailwind. will take any advice

[wild sinew]

Honestly respectable Start
Will be able to rate in a bit if no one has

[nimble flame]

honestly thats a great team normally id say run tera fire eruption torkol because in sun its great but like i dont think you really need him

[slim finch]

yeah, he'd be awkward with his slow speed

[nimble flame]

hes great bulk obviously but yea slow speed kinda ruins the dynamic

@slim finch EVs: 212 HP / 4 Def / 124 SpA / 4 SpD / 164 Spe these are the evs i run on my own chi yu the main reason is for speed control try and deal with things like pao or other nuisances but also without making him a glass cannon

[slim finch]

what nature does it run?

[nimble flame]

modest as with tailwind i usually outspeed most things

[slim finch]

ok, ill try it out

[nimble flame]

https://pokepast.es/4d616acb5a17453d teams great have only lost once due to follow me amoongus and a pain in the ass goodra

[wild sinew]

The Torn set is fine, I would suggest Tera Steel to stick on the field, Flying for damage or Dark for the immunity to Opposing Taunt. Ghost accomplishes a fake out immunity but with Covert Cloak this is unnecessary
I would say Iron Moth doesn't need to be removed however its heavily outclassed by Flutter Mane here, who can support your team with Icy Wind speed control or be a choice specs Nuke of its own. If you want to keep Iron moth I'd just suggest Max speed and do the similar, Specs Nuke. Replacing protect with something like heat wave for spread damage
Great Tusk should go, big hindrance here and would be better as Iron Hands who provides fake out support and together with Amoonguss work amazingly for enabling set up and the rest of the team, removing a big threat being Urshifu
Boots is a bad item in vgc because hazards are non existent. Booster Energy to give you a way outside of sun, another consumable item like Sitrus Berry, or safety goggles. Tera Flying Crunch/Acrobatics/Dragon Dance/Protect would be my recommendation as you don't need two Tailwind setters however if you do go safety goggles I'd suggest Dragon Claw or Tera Fire Tera Blast over Acro, they're better than outrage because it randomly targets and that's inconvenient when the best pokemon in the format is a fairy type.
Amoon prefers Tera Water for the fire resistance and move all the speed to Def, being slower than certain pokemon to Spore them in trick room is more important than outspeeding a few of the slower things in Tailwind.
Chi set here would depend on your Flutter set, you would go Specs with the EV spread Kota recommended if you use Pixie Plate/Life Orb Flutter Mane or keep the Life Orb and go fast strong with Tera Blast or Overheat over Wisp. Tera Ghost or Grass preferably

[slim finch]

Tried the team out, working out great

i used the sets on smogon tho, is that fine?

for the mons i had to change

changed to this https://pokepast.es/ba4fb62d287ab7ca

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

I suggest either going Timid Life Orb/Pixie Plate Flutter Mane and Choice Specs Chi Yu or Choice Specs Flutter Mane and Life Orb Chi Yu. This is because you have sun and don't exactly need Booster to proc the speed boost
If any pokemon wants it, it would be Roaring Moon so it immidietely gets power on Acrobatics outside of sun

[slim finch]

the teams works great

thanks for the advices

[wild sinew]

You're welcome, happy to help

[mighty frigate]

Trying to build a team with lucario since i really like it, but i think it right now lacks the ability to deal with grass, any ideas? Or some other things you see i might want the change up? https://pokepast.es/8735b6ca113d837f (EDIT: the EV spread for ursaluna is so that it can outspeed urshifu in tailwind)

[drifting onyx]

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[rapid kelp]

https://pokepast.es/43dc7832c9b92cb1 I tried this team but azumarill feels like it could be better if I used better EV's, or maybe substitute another pokemon because I like azumarill

[misty rose]

sorry to say but this team is really not good for the following reasons:

• your zapdos is fully offensively built with max speed, but it's not really fast enough to be a reliable tailwind setter and does not hit hard enough to justify it over the better choice kilowattrel. You are completely walled by any ground type without tera and you cannot touch ursaluna at all. Tera ghost can be nice to deny fake out but your tera blast only hits flutter mane, armarouge and maybe cresselia for significant damage and nothing else. You're running rocky helmet, but your spread invests nothing into hp so it will really not do much. Finally, static > pressure if you really want to punish contact
• Azumarill needs aqua jet to threaten basically every mon faster than it (which is everything not built for trick room and torkoal). I don't really understand what your 124 speed evs are for when you could invest into HP to make sure you can actually dent the opponent before getting KOd, this is especially meaningful when running belly drum, and azumarill has pretty nice bulk that allows you to take hits
• landorus' tera flying, even with tera blast, is generally not a great thing to run when you can go with tera water or something instead since you'll, again, not be hitting much for significant damage with it while a defensive tera allows you to comfortably tank something like urshifu's surging strikes which otherwise you stand no chance against. if you wanna use stomping tantrum, how about something that much easily fishes for protects like rock slide? im not sure abt uturn's usefulness but since im not too well versed i wont address it
• hydreigon is too slow without tailwind to do much but you should probably expect enemy tailwind to go up too so the issue goes unresolved, and it's lack of bulk (partly from no investment) alongside the bad defensive typing given regulation D's top dogs does not let it set up comfortably enough to go for a focus energy set in my opinion

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and generally:

• no reliable speed control
• frail and slow offense that can be powered through even with screens kind of easily with not enough immediate power before setups to threaten the opposition

[misty rose]

i would try something like this

https://pokepast.es/127ffcdbeedb3396

@rapid kelp

[rapid kelp]

thank you , but I found zapdos to be quit a useful tailwind setter because it is faster than urshifu and can hit stuff like tornadus for supper effective damage . but I have to agree that you have a solid point

[winter gulch]

No way you said Kilowattrel is better than Zapdos for TW

[misty rose]

offensively

i may have worded it bad

i meant it like if you're using zapdos for offense might as well use kilowattrel

[winter gulch]

?

Zapdos has higher SpA and bulk

Which helps it set up TW, deal more damage, and just be more annoying overall

+heat wave coverage is very nice

[lost phoenix]

also um

room service volcarona..?

[winter gulch]

Really appreciate that you're trying to help, but the og team looks better than your revised version ngl

[lost phoenix]

this is pretty alright actually but id suggest a couple of changes

zapdos is good here but going 0 bulk makes some matchups rly iffy (for example vs urshifu single strike) so you should go for 232 speed to outspeed max speed urshifu, 20 special attack to OHKO minimally bulk invested urshifu rapid strike with thunderbolt, rest in hp

hydreigon is not that good in this meta due to its common weaknesses and low speed, but a similar idea can be kept with a dragon dance roaring moon, with 108 speed to outspeed base 100s, 72 attack to get booster attack from booster energy, and rest in hp and defense with tera flying dragon dance crunch acrobatics and protect

with ddance roaring moon i would suggest you run a safety goggles tera poison swords dance urshifu rapid strike over azumarill as it is way better at threatening stuff out without tera and setup but is still a great setup sweeper under screens. if you go with this suggestion use choice scarf on landorus therian and it should be fine. with these changes tailwind on zapdos isnt really necessary, id suggest looking into a set of eerie impulse, thunderbolt, heat wave, and protect with tera fire to help your urshifu/azumarill and roaring moon set up vs special attackers like flutter mane

https://pokepast.es/07b42de9578a2b31 final paste after suggestions (also your evs should be starting with 4 and adding 8, thats the most optimal way so every ev gives you a stat)

[wild sinew]

Played too much dou

[winter gulch]

Glimmer what tier do you main

is it DOU or is there something else

[lost phoenix]

Its dou yes

[grand umbra]

Note VGC is HOLY different from DOU. (Although you probably know that already)

[lost phoenix]

yeah i do

[grand umbra]

I don't oftenly play VGC in Showdown to the sheer amount of frustration Trick Room brings to me but I do know a few things about VGC.

I can say is Trick room is BM at times.

[tulip totem]

Unless they have some form of insurance, taunt is really nice for countering trick room teams, as trick room will always go last, meaning you can usually taunt the setter before trick room is active

[fathom token]

I no longer want to XP
I tested it and I've realised clawitzer is trash

devastating

[terse grove]

https://pokepast.es/356be62aaf4f3bb8
What do you think about my team called... THE SOAK TEAM