VGC Rates

[tranquil creek]

Trying to build a rain team, mainly looking for tweaks/flaws the overall team has, ik Samurott is a bit of weird choice but its what inspired the team in the first place https://pokepast.es/9acc2abfbeb9ac83

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/01adfc56c4953481

finnaly decided to use commun teams

rather than making my own

i changed it a bit

[vapid lynx]

showdown does kinda suck for vgc practice, hopefully they’ll work on ots bo3 matches

https://pokepast.es/fb63c3dddb41fe37

can anybody review these evs? lmk if i’m missing something

[lost dirge]

then cartridge sucks too :(

[vapid lynx]

i prefer cart/download tbh, just because i get less tunnel vision when it’s actually something i can pay attention to

i hear there are some tourneys coming up, good practice for bo3 rounds

[lost dirge]

i don't particularly wanna do tourneys just

wanna play ots

i just hate the "try and guess what im gonna do" trick room meta that 60% of the ladder is running

and the other 40% is chien Pao dnite

i found this team on the pinned Google sheet that has imprison flutter which is good but the team kinda blows

it's supposed to be a sun team kinda but it uses brute bonnet who was engineered to be the worst mon ever created

it's useless

really brings the team down

and fighting flutter is rough

which sucks when every team has it

[vapid lynx]

Brute bonnet goes kind of crazy on sun teams tbh but finds more of its value as an offensive attacker

Rage powder + spore options are super clutch thi

tho*

[lost dirge]

against tr teams its actually pretty good i will admit

i think thats its purpose

otherwise i completely disagree, gets oneshot by urshifu, chien pao, 2hko by dnite, dies to flutter

theres nothing in the meta it checks

except slow mons

i initially assumed it was some half urshifu counter where you switch it in on ss and then tera ghost on cc but like you can just kill with iron bundle

but as a complement to imprison flutter against tr its great

as soon as i stopped trying to use bonnet it felt way better

[vital folio]

https://pokepast.es/cbc85d6500ddb649 Yanno what’s not great? My ability to make teams. How does this Snow team look?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2c60b76914362c85

an okoh team

i chose bulkey pokemon

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/b67539a6a6abfae7

What should I change about this team? It's a Tailwind setting roaring moon with a slackoff terra fairy Skeledrige, screens Grimmsnarl, defensive Corviknight, bulky/phsically strong Great Tusk, and Iron Moth is in the 6th slot because I'm weak to fairy

[sand minnow]

i have a nice consept here

https://pokepast.es/a6f4a47adfdfd724

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

it wilowisp or thunderwave and roar

and the 2 last mons hex

[tranquil creek]

Still hoping for some advice for this team

[sand minnow]

fixed my team finnaly

https://pokepast.es/ee9e78a3cf285c36

glimora was the perfect fit, because of 1 venaushock

and 2 hex

[sand minnow]

it is perfect ig

u shouldnt add a thing

[cyan nexus]

@normal stream @winter gulch @shrewd horizon

[cursive mason]

You’d prob want to put Chien pao here somewhere, prob over iron bundle to synergize with dnite and the rest of your physical attackers, and also damp rock isn’t really that great on torn since most of the time it’s not gonna end up being too useful here

[undone fossil]

Thanks for the advice I updated the team so could you let me know if this is better https://pokepast.es/5492eb96e3ca09c5

[wild sinew]

Most of it is fine my bad if I didn't specific on certain things

• 140 hp EVs and the rest in SpD for Ursaluna
• Sash or Bulky Flutter, with Sash you don't need to invest in any bulk
  Oh yh btw make Iron Hands Max SpD instead of Max hp

[fresh kindle]

oh hey, I made a really similar sunroom team that I've had a lot of success with (just got to master ball rank on cart)

tera fighting on lilligant with protect is probably fine but on my team I really valued tera ghost and having that last moveslot be something supportive (encore/sleep powder) helped a lot

I agree with Leos suggestions

[undone fossil]

Thanks for all of the help the team definitely looks better now https://pokepast.es/9d3ff1a537becdb6

[golden patrol]

Hey all! Need some advice with this team: I really like Uxie as a mon, open to any change apart from violet exclusives lol

https://pokepast.es/b5ec43a7aeefed78

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[golden patrol]

Could go Lillikoal if case

Feel free to pings so I can get back tomorrow!

[undone fossil]

It looks good but you might want to use protect instead of substitute on flutter mane (at least that’s what I prefer)

And I think Tera fairy is better than Tera steel on uxie because of Urshifu

Also you don’t need to do this but Torkoal with eruption might be better than chi yu because it’s slower which makes it better for truck room

[wild sinew]

Give Uxie Tera Fairy to hit harder with Dazzling Gleam and resist dark, an item like mental herb is probably better here
Give Urshifu Safety Goggles or Mystic Water, power item if you're brave. Tera Grass or Steel depending on the item are better defensive Teras
Chi Yu can take the life orb, Tera Grass Tera Blast > Tera Fire Lava Plume
Give Flutter Mane the Booster Energy and protect over substitute
Also invest in speed on at least Urshifu, Chi Yu and Flutter Mane. You're leaning a bit too hard into the trick room part with such a team, Trick Room should be an option you can pull off vs faster teams instead of something necessary. Gives you more flexibility

[ember fractal]

https://pokepast.es/e3a4f9cab2e4dd31
Hi, im very new to teambuilding and i suck at it, does anyone have any advice?

[runic turret]

hey which team is better for VGC 2023 regulation D and can i get feedback for both teams
team 1
https://pokepast.es/34351e225f193d0d

team 2
https://pokepast.es/2fd48a9dbb1ec7fd

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

I feel like the teams are a bit too "off" for me to really fix without destroying the teams, I would personally check some sample teams to get a better idea at how teams are built (and maybe steal a couple ideas off them)
Samples are pinned up top

[runic turret]

which pokemon should i switch in the teams?

and what makes it "off"

[wild sinew]

Tera Poison Goltress, I like Nasty Plot here as only Flutter Mane really benefits from Tailwind. Consider a bulkier spread
Not sure how Garg fits here, salt cure doesn't synergise with the team and some members require some support. I suggest Grimmsnarl with screens since H Goodra and Goltress especially appreciate it.
Tera Grass Tera Blast Heatran over Flamethrower
Goodra can use lefties now since Garg is replaced, consider Life Dew over Protect although both work great
Gyarados is fine support Ig, I'd suggest Tera Steel/Fairy. Do consider Rillaboom though. Grimmsnarl/Goltress/Hoodra/Rillaboom is an existing core with great synergy
Make the Flutter Mane bulkier and give it the Booster Energy boosting special attack. 68/0/116/116/4/204 Modest is fine

[wild sinew]

Team 2 is overall better but I do suggest changes as a lot of your decisions are made from a singles mindset and don't have enough synergy or check the meta as well. For example, Hazards are non existent as it is a 4 on 4 with 2 pokemon each on the field, battles will usually last under 8 turns without room for switching often, they aren't good enough to justify heavy duty boots or rapid spin. You really want Protect on pokemon for positioning, being able to protect x while your partner clears away the threat is one thing you'll be doing often. Keep in mind EVs at lvl 50 work differently, must be a multiple of 4 but not a multiple of 8 as it starts out with 4 and then every 8 gives you one stat point
I can give you more advice if you're interested but I'll end up shattering a lot of both teams, I see certain ideas and I'll rearrange things to make it work

[runic turret]

yeah can i have the feedback if i need it i need it lol

[wild sinew]

Alright

I'll try and give it to both teams

[runic turret]

k ty

[ember fractal]

Oh wow thanks a lot

[wild sinew]

I assume you Like Armarouge? It can work on both teams here
I like the start of Arma-Dozogiri, Add InDD F over Cloyster for the support of Follow me, Trick Room and psychic terrain overall. Replace Hawlucha with Psychic Seed Sneasler, Swords Dance, Dire Claw, CC and Acro/Night Slash/Protect work fine. A lot of pokemon can fit in the last slot but Glimmora, Chien Pao, Landorus, Amoonguss and Iron Hands are best
Now that we have the mons we can look at the sets
InDD: Rocky helmet, Dazziling Gleam,Follow me, Trick Room and Helping Hand/Heal Pulse. Max hp Max Def Bold
Armarouge: Life Orb, Tera Grass/Fighting Armour Canon, Expanding Force, Energy Ball/Aura Sphere/Wide Guard and Trick Room. Max hp Max SpA is a good enough start
Dondozo: Leftovers, with Tera Steel/Dragon Wave Crash, EQ/Order Up or replace it with Tera Grass Tera Blast, Substitute and Protect as the last two.
Tatsugiri: Scarf with Draco Meteor, Muddy Water and Tera Steel Tera Blast, the last move being optional, Icy Wind or Taunt are options
Sneasler: Psychic Seed, Max Spe Max Atk Adamant is enough as a starting basis but you can run calcs vs something you want to live after testing, already suggested moveset
Last mon can be Tera Grass Assualt Vest Glimmora with Moral Spin, Sludge Bomb, Power Gem and Earth Power/Energy Ball. Focus Sash Chien Pao with Ice Spinner, Sucker punch, Crunch/Sacred Sword and Protect. 12 hp / 236 Atk / 4 Def / 0 / 4 SpD / 252 Spe with either Jolly or Adamant is fine. Tera Dark, Ice or Ghost work great. Assualt Vest Landorus with Tera Blast Flying, Stomping Tantrum, Rock move of choice and U Turn. 68/116/52/0/236/36 Adamant is a reliable EV Spread I've been using. Amoongus can be standard Sitrus regenerator with Spore, Rage Powder, Pollen Puff and Protect with 236 hp / 156 Def / 116 SpD Bold
Assualt Vest Tera Grass or Safety Goggles Tera Fire Iron Hands. Fake Out/Wild Charge/Drain Punch/Choice and Thunder Punch/Drain Punch/Swords Dance/Detect respectively.

Choice is usually between Volt Switch, Heavy Slam and Ice Punch

That's for the first team, I'll do the second team later
A bit tired lmao

[runic turret]

Alg

[wild sinew]

You could go a screens Route on the second team dropping inDD for safety goggles beat up Maus (Follow me, beat up, encore/taunt/Twave, Protect/Superfang), making Armarouge Weak Armour weakness policy.
You'd switch the Grimmsnarl to a defence boosting Nature and Reflect > Thunder punch, Spirit Break > Drain Punch
Protect > Fire punch, bulk up > Shadow Ball
Decidueye isn't good here, H Tera Fairy Shell Armour Goodra works fine, Body Press, Heavy Slam, Shelter, Life Dew/Protect with rocky helmet and Max hp Max Def careful
252 SpA Armarouge right? Trick should be Trick room
Replace Taunt with Dazzling Gleam, make Flutter Mane Tera Water. Give it some bulk

[runic turret]

k

ty

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/152e50781916eaa9
i feel i can use chien-pao as a sheer cold user follow me seer cold with its speed and recover

i do not know what pokemon to add so i just added regidraco and kingambit

any suggestions to make this idea work

[winter gulch]

Oh goodness

Uh

The thing with Chien Pao is that it already does so much damage it doesnt need to run Sheer Cold to ko stuff

[sand minnow]

oh i forgot to add abomnasnow for articuno lol

but i want this team just for fun

[winter gulch]

My friend made an abomination of an OHKO team and did well eith it, let me see if I can find it

[sand minnow]

sure it will help

i think it uses tingu lu

because after it misses it can use stomping tantrum and it is already bulkey

[golden patrol]

Got you! Didn’t think about that, I’m pretty newbie even tho I’ve been playing for a year or so now

[golden patrol]

Yea thought about that later haha, just wanted to try fish

[golden patrol]

Makes sense! I just feel good in tr and have fun when opponents expect ohko but don’t get them lol

But I’ll definitely swap out some mons

Chi yu being the first for a Torkoal I already have ready for vgc

[golden patrol]

Also thought: wouldn’t be kinda useless investing in speed given the fact that 99% of scenarios there will be some tailwind kind of tricks from the opponent side?

Since they would kinda always go for speed, I would just have to care about bulkiness

[wild sinew]

Not exactly, Tornadus the most popular TW setter by a mile sits at 30ish % Usage. Balance teams are also very popular

Top 8 of a recent tournament with no Tornadus (there is 1 Pelliper but it's unreliable for setting TW in most scenarios)

[golden patrol]

Got you!

Thanks, I’m making changes now 😄

[wild sinew]

You'll see it more often on early ladder because hyper offence is simple to pilot
Good luck with your team!

[golden patrol]

Is there any speed tie I should be aware of for mane and shifu?

[golden patrol]

I was using HO in facts lol

Just wanted to get back to TR cuz I like it better

I think it’s less “tricks up the sleeve” kind of thing

[wild sinew]

A lot of Flutter Mane hit at last 68 to outspeed Urshifu, you'll see most go being the 196 EV benchmark to outspeed Tornadus
Urshifu doesn't need too much speed, you'll see between none-max. 212 Adamant to outspeed Basculegion is the most common I think

[sand minnow]

i hate these commun pokemon i want to try and make something new lol

i tried everything

[golden patrol]

Lol I’m using Uxie to avoid Cresselia

Why can’t I make it reach 212?

[quiet dew]

Hello folks! Any idea what a decent Tera Rock or Water Rillaboom-centered team would be?

[wild sinew]

Oh my bad
I meant 212 EVs

[golden patrol]

Thought about that lol- updating

[wild sinew]

Rock is one interesting idea
Water is very popular and you can look at top teams to find one
Rillaboom/Urshifu/Heatran/Flutter Mane/Landorus/Cresselia is an example of how it could work

[quiet dew]

Oooh thank you for a good point in the right direction!!

[wild sinew]

Good luck with it!

[quiet dew]

[golden patrol]

Aiiiiight so Ursaluna is (?) for me
People just oneshot it with damn Ape

[quiet dew]

are you running cress + ursa?

[golden patrol]

I’ll share my team!

https://pokepast.es/adf06242e35298c0

[quiet dew]

why ice punch on ursa out of curiosity over headlong rush or drain punch?

also cress imo is a bit of a better choice w lunar blessing as a strong choice

uxie doesnt seem to be a fantastic fit for your team comp

uxie pairs super well with tornadus and decently for flutter, so you have uxie for flutter?

tera grass for urshifu is also a bit odd (in my opinion)

i dont know a great deal about team comps because im still learning also so like take what i say with a massive grain of salt

[worn nebula]

https://pokepast.es/e2232b02c9e9d7e0

all criticism is appreciated

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[grand umbra]

Hello, sorry for the late response, but in reality Tera dark safety Goggles works best, safety Goggles avoids Spore and Rage Powder while Tera dark avoids the common prankster.

Mental herb on amoongus in this case was better for handling Taunt, which is very common.

[wild sinew]

Protect > Leaf Storm, Tera water/Dark is better here. Rocky helmet or mental herb are primal items for it
Make H Goodra a Shelter Body Press set with Tera Fairy and shell Armour, screens biggest abuser
Replace Sucker or spirit break with Twave or parting shot, and Bulk it out to live at least Choice Band Sword of Ruin Tera Normal Dragonite Extreme Speed and Specs Flutter Moonblast
Replace Bax with Band Dragonite or Sitrus Goltress
Chien Pao should have 12 / 236 / 4 / 0 / 4 / 252 as it's optimal here. I would consider Tera Dark as you have two dark type moves
Gholdengo is fine even if it's ideal to optimise the spread, it works good here with Amoongus and Grimmsnarl support

[golden patrol]

Hey! Thanks a lot for giving your opinion! I’m just noob as well lol

My idea is to use Uxie cuz my brother found a shiny one and traded it to me

So it’s more than just playing with Uxie yk!

I’ll share team again so we can chat about it in the next hours !

https://pokepast.es/83157a1ffe159a12

I’m also shiny hunting Tornadus rn so I’m definitely down to swap out mons!

I’d like to just replace ursa tbh, not too fan of it cuz it’s so strong

I like Heatran, Cresselia but I’ve always played it as a bulky support and it wasn’t really fun, I think farigiraf is cool for the anti priority

Liked Tornadus and overqwil

Btw ice punch was for grass types lol

Ping me if you reply so I can get back

[molten wharf]

Hmm fair enough.

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/605340c92f7c30bf

This is my first successful VGC Comp attempt in my opinion, but I'd love pointers as to if I could make it any better, been doing some tests and it feels good, I did want suggestions as to how to play Moon successfully in this comp, though, because I'm not the best tailwind player even though I enjoy the concept. Thanks to anyone who helps!

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/4017b0819810afb2 been getting back into VGC after I stopped playing for a while, thoughts on this team?

[wild sinew]

I feel like you could make Corviknight an H Goodra and swap it and Palafin's items, Palafin appreciates Goggles a lot more
Not a fan of the double fire, How is Skelly working for you exactly? I feel like Gholdengo or Flutter Mane would be stronger here
Gives you multiple pokemon that benefit from the Tailwind mode at least.
Don't want to change the Team too much even if I think there are Better options here, but those are probably the main things I suggest to patch up

[wild sinew]

Protect > Clear Smog.
Otherwise everything is fine, I'm a fan of Tornadus-Chien Pao over Cress-Luna as they don't really synergise with the rest of the team. It gives you flexibility but Dragonite alone can't output nearly as much damage, a better way to explain it is that Chien Pao without sword or ruin is just 120 attack, hits as hard as Bisharp without a Lorb or a Defiant boost in this meta. It'll definitely hit hard but I feel Chien Pao boosts it to insane heights. If you're going to keep Cress-Luna I suggest Crunch over Shadow Claw

[mint pilot]

got it, I definitely like cress-luna because cress can support basically everyone with helping hand and control speed with tr if they have fast mons or a tailwind set up, but I’ll definitely try using chien and tornadus. Would you happen to know any good ev spreads/movesets for the 2?

[wild sinew]

Sorry Missed this

Tornadus can run a variety of sets to great ability, personal favourite is Bulky Cloak Tera Dark, 244/0/164/4/92/4 Bold. Bleakwind and Tailwind are ideal. Id consider rain dance, taunt and protect for the last 2 spots.
Chien Pao runs a basic Sash set that can have either an Offensive Tera or Tera Ghost. 12/236/4/0/4/252 is my recommended spread and Ice Spinner/Sucker Punch/Protect are the 3 moves you usually want, Sacred Sword and Crunch are often the last slot but it can be a lot of things hence we see Ice shard, Haze and sometimes even Psychic Fangs.

[vital folio]

https://pokepast.es/b709eb6a7dc2b28d I’m doing ok with this team on Showdown but it gets railroaded on Switch. What am I missing here?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[cyan nexus]

So that’s interesting about swapping to goodra, I actually changed the Iron Moth out for Amooguss and took out tailwind for dragon tail (not sure if that was a good idea lol) to slow the team down and play more conservative.
Would Goodra still play better here?
Also I was thinking about mystic water on palafin to make jet punch more potent without tailwind and wave crash for flip turn
Thank you for suggestions! Please tell me if I’m way off course haha

[wild sinew]

It's good yeah, H Goodra is just bulkier, better typing and ohkos Flutter Mane
Mixed on the Palafin item but I highly suggest you use Wave Crash, Safety Goggles is my favourite on it

[cyan nexus]

And what about my amoogus switch? Does that sound reasonable?
Also any help on move four for Moon? Not sure if Dragon Tail is smart

[wild sinew]

Yes it is
What is Dragon tail for?

[cyan nexus]

Not sure, was just looking for a filler move
(What moveset/ spread do I run on goodra)

[wild sinew]

Look through its moves Ig, Dragon Dance might be an option and tailwind is fine.
Hoodra runs Leftovers with Heavy Slam, Body Press, Shelter and Life Dew with Max hp Max Def careful

[cyan nexus]

Thank you for the help!

[wild sinew]

You're welcome

[shadow valve]

https://pokepast.es/45bf7b5094a14c75 any thoughts on my team?

[cyan nexus]

@wild sinew How do we feel about Klefki screens over grimmsnarl?

Something like this:
https://pokepast.es/9731ed34f29fe7c8

[wild sinew]

Grimmsnarl is generally better

It can't get prankster taunted

[wild sinew]

Wasting some EVs, keep them a multiple of 4 but not a multiple of 8 for level 50
Your Tornadus has no way to stop fake out, should probably change to Tera Ghost or Covert Cloak. Rain Dance is worse than sunny day here, sunny day at least let's you beat Urshifu, rain dance doesn't help here
Rocky helmet and Scarf are generally better for Kleavor, feint and quick guard are Def better than brick break and night slash
Bulkier Flutter Mane, you never want to die to Chien Pao
AV Dragonite probably wants Tera Blast Flying, it's damage output is just not enough when even Tera Fairy Flutter Mane can live it
Protect > Haze, you def need it on a Sash pokemon that isn't Tera Ghost
Optimise the EV Spread probably, for lefties you want Tera Fire/Steel Swords Dance over Iron Head and Drain Punch over close combat

[shadow valve]

ok thx for the help
i'll be sure to make some changes

[wild sinew]

Good luck

[lusty bolt]

hey guys. so this team has been revised a lot, and i finally like the team ive made. the only issue is feel like i need a more solid way to deal with iron hands. https://pokepast.es/8a5655023acb49fd

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty bolt]

any suggestions?

[grand umbra]

In basic, get rid of abomasnow and frostmoth, make Grim a support mon. From there you should be able to have more flexibility and place in pokemon that fills your needs.

I'm no expert on VGC but I feel that should be a start.

[lusty bolt]

well coincidently the focus of the tam were those two mons, and its a snow team, so why would i get rid of those guys? who would replace the core?

funny enough they arent even a core frfr, but aboma sets up aurora first turn, im usually able to pivot, into fros for the sweep, as long as grimm hits the fake out or hax from thunder wave

[grand umbra]

Snow isn't that great right now considering bascu and WW are much more powerful than those two are.

[lusty bolt]

i can agree with that, but master ball on switch and 1350 on showdown, the glaring weakness to my team is iron hands and i was trying to see if there was a way around him

[grand umbra]

If you want to go with a weather team, sun or rain are great options.

[lusty bolt]

bro

im done talking to you lol

you not helping, and by your earlier comment you dont know how vgc work

good day sir

[grand umbra]

I said I'm not an expert, but I do have some knowledge of how the metagame works.

[lusty bolt]

I'm gonna ask my question again revised for the next person who decides to help me: What would be your suggestion, move wise, or ev wise? maybe an item? https://pokepast.es/5d4c13adb0e3affe

to help me deal with iron hands

[wild sinew]

Grass stab >> Earth Power
Grimmsnarl can be something like Chi Yu, drop a lot of Bulk on Bundle and use it offensively, Hydro, Blizzard, Encore, Protect is solid. Ting Lu has Anti synergy with the team and can be replaced with smth that can patch up your iron hands matchup, but how come you struggle with it? Everything is at +1 defence. I like Flutter Mane in the last slot though

[lusty bolt]

i was thinking flutter man too tbh

so maybe giga on aboma didnt think of that, but iron hands just whittles my team down and i dont kill him fast enuff

[wild sinew]

Flutter Mane helps pressure a Tera

[lusty bolt]

so replace ting lu, change up grimmsnarl, (tbh idk what the chi yu sets run) but ill look it up, adn change the evs for more offens on bundle

gonna make the changes, i had flutter on 2 diff versions of this team and somethin told me to keep him smh

[grand umbra]

Go the #1059655497587888158 for the rate

[lament rivet]

I didn't see mb

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/3c695a55cfd08187 any thoughts on this team?

[wild sinew]

It's good, suggest Tera Ghost Tornadus since you have Taunt immunity in mental herb

[undone fossil]

I used a team like this before regulation D and now I want to know if it’s still good https://pokepast.es/020aae138b873dba

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

It can work, main suggestion is to make Dnite a choice band inner focus set for this meta. Not sure Tatsugiri needs the sash more than Chien Pao who appreciates being on the field for a long time to support partners
H Goodra tho doesn't really vibe with the rest of the team, I imagine something like Thundurus, Flutter Mane or Urshifu which all do different things for the team

[paper forum]

https://pokepast.es/77789677416c6b86 Looking for some suggestions on movesets/items/EV spreads

[misty rose]

https://pokepast.es/8175e23a882e54b9

Need opinions

[wild sinew]

You want Tera Ghost/Steel Tornadus for Dragonite since you aren't physically Bulky
Sash Calm Mind doesn't feel like the way, weakness policy with a way to self proc (Scarf U Turn Urshifu is a great example) or Life Orb feel better here. Replacing calm mind with Aura Sphere.
You can go the Scarf route or Mystic Water/Safety Goggles on Urshifu, Close Combat is better than drain punch unless you want a Bulky Swords Dance set and detect over Fire Punch usually.
Booster Energy Iron Bundle with encore over Icy Wind as you have a plenty fast team already.
Rocky helmet InDD, Psychic > Psyshock because Urshifu is a thing, Trick Room over either Protect or Helping Hand to give you a different mode into the rare teams faster than you as well as support Gambit.
Low Kick is generally better than brick break. I'd also consider a SD Black Glasses Set consisting of Kowtow/Sucker/Swords Dance/Protect
Otherwise everything is good

[wild sinew]

Are you looking to build around eelektross?

[paper forum]

Yeah, eelektross is what i want to play with

[wild sinew]

I can make a team for it from scratch if that's okay

[paper forum]

Sure

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/76f14a40fdda4b67

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[wild sinew]

(Sorry)

Second time its happened
I'll send it in dms next time

[paper forum]

so what do cress and heatran do for the team here?

Oh min speed eelektross

[wild sinew]

yh Elektross is as slow as Ursaluna so might as well use it under Trick Room

[paper forum]

Just played a couple games with the team and won both. Eelektross also contributed a fair bit to the wins too. Ty for the team

[lost phoenix]

Next time around just remove a t from https

[wild sinew]

oh thanks

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/9c5860aeb76724ab

Thoughts?

[wild sinew]

Urshifu wants Drain punch and a bulkier spread along with a defensive Tera if you want to go Swords Dance, otherwise use Aqua Jet
Arcanine doesn't really fit here, what do you want it for? Chien Pao or Flutter Mane are generally Better here. Landorus if you really want damage reduction
Give Tornadus Covert Cloak or mental herb with Tera Ghost/Dark and an optimised spread
Rocky helmet Amoongus, 236 /180 bold is ideal for Chien Pao
Put Aqua Jet over Head Smash and Last Respects over Phantom force, swift swim is ideal on a band set.
Also you should really consider encore Bundle, Icy Wind over Taunt on Tornadus if you really want it.

[sand minnow]

I see
I will be looking into this thanks you

[wild sinew]

Appreciate it, good luck!

[winter gulch]

if you go SD you actually don't really need CC

at least I think

+2 Tera Water SD kills Bundle

[wild sinew]

Drain Punch is nicer since you're using the turn

[winter gulch]

losing Aqua Jet kinda sucks though

also there are too many waters on that team

wait

why does that Basculegion not have Last Respects

[sand minnow]

Well mostly bc if I do bring it
It's meant to be a starter and not really a finisher

It's meant to be a replacement to Urshifu if I run into a mon that can hard counter it

[wild sinew]

Last Respects is 100 BP after one ally is dead, it's usually used as clean up to ohko a lot of stuff

[sand minnow]

Oh wow
I didn't realize it was so powerful after one ally dead

Oh wait.something I wanted to ask
Why not Run Taunt over icy wind
Seems like a good move for prankster and dealing with support spammers
Compared to small damage and a speed drop

Especially if I'm running tailwind

[wild sinew]

It's an option
I think encore is better on Bundle, but if you really want Icy Wind give it to Tornadus

[sand minnow]

Aweeee

Okie

[runic turret]

https://pokepast.es/8c30f582a600b1cb can someone rate my team for regulation D doubles

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[wild sinew]

Overall the right direction. I'd suggest either dropping Tornadus for Cresselia or dropping Ursaluna for Chien Pao
44 hp / 4 Def Urshifu is so worth it
I highly suggest a bulkier SpA Booster Flutter Mane
Rain Dance/Protect/Icy Wind over U Turn if you're keeping Tornadus
Protect > Drain Punch on ursaluna if you're keeping it
Protect > Clear Smog on Amoongus
The other spreads could use work but they're at least functionable and I'd suggest getting familiar with the team and then making a change from what you notice you struggle against

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/66f1c1bf27a10ad7

Hear me out: this is a decent team

Ik choice band palafin seems wrong but I think it really works because of rage powder for focus punch, then you get extra damage output on palafin when you're only gonna have non-hero form in for two turns max, and by the time hero form comes out, you'll know which move you need to lock into to sweep the rest of the game.

Also the normal tera Amongus was originally water and will probably go back, but my idea is that flutter manes often like to shadow ball my skeledirge so I can just tera rage powder for a free turn on skeledirge with no damage taken

Lastly, I'm not sure how well Grimmsnarl plays firstly because I don't know what to do with him after screens are up and secondly because I'm not even sure if screens are fitting into this team anymore

Thanks for any advice!!

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[winter gulch]

Focus Punch just doens't work in a format with so many spread attacks

I feel like the team doesn't have enough immediate offensive pressure with the mons you have now

two support mons + two slower mons + a set up mon

Goodra needs to be Shell Armor bc of Urshifu Rapid Strike
Amoonguss I would personally go Tera Water so you aren't weak to CC if you tera + its just good for fire attacks
Regenerator 100% on Amoonguss

[cyan nexus]

Thank you!
How do you think Iron Moth over Grimmsnarl would work?

[winter gulch]

Iron Moth doesn't really do much for your team or in this format

I think you could quite reasonably slap Flutter Mane in here

[cyan nexus]

Are there any alternatives to Flutter Mane other than Heatran? Just curios on the type of niche I'm filling

[winter gulch]

what niche are you looking?

I was just looking to add a special attacker since your only real attacker is Skeledirge and idt it works that great with this team anyways

[cyan nexus]

Yeah I was wondering who the primary special attackers are right now that would work in my team, sorry

[winter gulch]

oh I'm stupid

Gholdengo should be good

especially since you have the support to help get Nasty Plots up

[cyan nexus]

Wait that would be super fun
What kind of set / evs would I run?

[cyan nexus]

Gholdengo @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Def / 52 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Nasty Plot
• Protect

Something like this?

[winter gulch]

yes

maybe Leftovers if you like

wait

you need some SpA investment and not just bulk

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/gholdengo/vgc23-series-4/

[cyan nexus]

Perfect, tysm!

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/fb830cc40f624f23

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[wild sinew]

I did suggest Drain punch bulkier Urshifu before, how did that go?
Shelter over Sap sipper on Goodra
252 spe over hp since you're Sash. Tera Flying or Grass is ideal
I also suggested encore Bundle, did you try that yet?
Giga Drain should be Protect, leaf storm if you're desperate
The team is overall fine though

[sand minnow]

well not well, lots of pokemon that i should have checked survived and i got punished heavy

bundle has been no use to me of lately which sucks bc i really like him
but i never use him, unless i see a dondozo

[lost phoenix]

if bundle isnt doing you well id suggest getting something that does heavier damage to amoonguss perhaps?

[sand minnow]

idk, i was thinking of bringin Specs Flutter for damage and cleanup

[wild sinew]

Tera Flying suggestion if you're going to do that
252+ SpA Tera-Flying Pelipper Hurricane vs. 236 HP / 116 SpD Amoonguss: 232-276 (105.9 - 126%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[winter gulch]

Pelliper wants a defensive tera right

[lost phoenix]

both grass and flying are fine imo

[wild sinew]

Since its Sash it should probably be okay

[ember fractal]

https://pokepast.es/12d7f213a82dafd0
Thoughts on this team? Main strat is starting with rilla-sneasler and try to sweep from there and speed control with rillaboom, regieleki or gyarados. Unsure if i should give sneasler swords dance (i should probably change the evs if i do that) instead of protect maybe? Also unsure on the ev spreads in general

[sand minnow]

Bet

[sand minnow]

If he had better defensive stats but most moves he gets ohko'ed anyways

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/452ff82e3d684478
Amoongus to counter trick room teams and opposing urshifus
,rest is kinda self explanatary

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/4b55af90f44b984c

Need advice, struggling specifically against tailwind
Any suggestions are appreciated

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[wild sinew]

Protect > foul play
Drop some speed for 44/4/4 bulk on Urshifu. For Dragonite Extreme Speed
Make your Flutter Mane bulkier and SpA Booster, Moonblast > Icy Wind as your team is already stupid fast along with a defensive backbone
I suggest 12/4/4 bulk on Chien Pao to maximise your chances of living Surging Strikes. Or at least put the 4 in defence instead of hp
Arcanine can be your own Dragonite or Dragapult tbh, even a Gholdengo works well. Arcanine doesn't really fit on the team
Tornadus appreciates Taunt/ Protect over Grass knot, Bleakwinds is all it needs

[wild sinew]

The team really wants Grimmsnarl, you have 4 pokemon that want to set up and not enough support for them. I'd suggest ditching Roaring Moon or Skeli though.
Replace Flip Turn with Wave Crash. Tera Normal Amoongus is really eh

[lost phoenix]

I would probably tera dark amoon

And personally would use shifu over pala

[wild sinew]

^
Urshifu is definitely better, Palafin can work but it's just outclassed

[lost phoenix]

Best way to use palafin is with urshifu dark imo

[wild sinew]

I like Pala-Darkfu with rain

[cyan nexus]

What's the idea with wave crash? Won't it just kill me? Curious how the recoil works

[wild sinew]

You take 33% of the damage you do
Flip Turn is bad because things just kill you before you flip Turn and you're not doing any worthwhile damage with that Base 70 attack in babyform. You can live a hit under screens sure but you'd probably take more damage from that then recoil tbh since it's defences aren't the greatest. Wave Crash is twice as strong as Jet Punch and you get funny stuff like
252+ Atk Choice Band Tera-Water Palafin-Hero Wave Crash vs. 140 HP / 4 Def Iron Hands: 244-288 (98.7 - 116.5%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[cyan nexus]

Okay that makes a lot of sense
What would be the best ev spread for band palafin? Stuck between admant 252 Att / 252 HP and Jolly 252 Spe / 252 Att

@wild sinew Also I was confused on how to run grimm just because I don't know how to set up screens correctly, is there like a guide or something I could find?

[wild sinew]

Well Tera Ghost to dodge fake out and extreme speed, any spread is fine. Just if you see a Flutter Mane infront of you, set light screen. If you see a Chien Pao, set reflect.

I like Max hp Palafin to minimise recoil

[plain nebula]

Tried building my first reg d team wanna see how good it is

https://pokepast.es/0576ac53cb47dea2

[manic pond]

There are some weird sets and mons

[plain nebula]

I pulled the spreads from pikalytics

Not sure how to build my own

[manic pond]

Not the spreads the mons and the move sets

When I help someone the first thing I ask is what was the idea behind the team

What did you think was strong

What did want to build around

[plain nebula]

I wanted to build around sneasler

Since weavile lost some good moves this gen

[wild sinew]

Sneasler-Rillaboom exists because of Grassy seed unburden

[plain nebula]

Oh yeah it was originally grassy seed

[hollow fable]

https://pokepast.es/3c3694291c3b8b43 I'm building this rn, help with evs and just better moves would be nice

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[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/d9b147d064cb848d ive been using this team with a lot of success but I have rarely picked moltres and gholdengo, im wondering if theres a better pick thats better for the team instead of those 2

[wild sinew]

What do you want to build and what's the idea

[wild sinew]

The sets are a bit weird for the two. Both should be Nasty Plot sets here
Nasty Plot over Rest and Protect over Tailwind
Nasty Plot over Focus Blast and Protect one Trick
Spect does feel a bit eh clashing making you use 3 set up mons. I like Specs Flutter Mane there a lot more tbh

[mint pilot]

specs mane over which mon? since spect is kind of the whole thing the team is built around

[wild sinew]

Spectrier?

If you want to keep it you can replace Gholdengo then

[mint pilot]

what do i do with the evs on flutter

[wild sinew]

68/0/116/116/4/204 Modest is always my suggestion for starting
You could go 100/0/156/108/4/140 Timid though

[mint pilot]

and for nasty plot > rest should I keep the chesto berry?

[wild sinew]

I'd suggest a healing Berry or lefties

It really likes Sitrus so I suggest giving Spectrier smth like Wiki if you still want it

[hollow fable]

I just wanted a tr team with appletun that I could also go non tr with

[hallow ether]

should i replace arcanine with lando T?

[wild sinew]

I'll find a way to use Appletun when I can
For now, mental herb/Safety Goggles Cresselia is significantly better than Glowking because of the bulk and Lunar Blessing.
Not a fan of MausApe and the weakness policy tbh, they're a lot less splashable this reg. I'd suggest an easier duo like Ursaluna and Regidrago who work well under TR, Drago working fine with fast speed control itself too.
Ceititan would also be off now that you don't have chilly reception. You could really just get away with Urshifu Rapid here but if you really wanted to use It you would swap out Eleki for snowscape Tornadus, it wouldn't be ideal though as Ceititan struggles vs power creep

[wild sinew]

Intimidate is unnecessary here, hence I suggested strong attackers that synergise with the team. I'd also look at Lando-I and Thundy-T now that you mention it as they love Rain Dance Torn. On these types of teams Lando-T wants Scarf but that's taken so it would really struggle to fit in here

[hollow fable]

I like ape next to appletun in tr for the bullet seed, and water tera for weakness policy/rage fist

Maus I dont rly like, and I'll switch cres in and take cetitan/glowking out

Thank you

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/fd2f029f1ce6c6b5

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[manic pond]

I feel very confident in the core four (Grimm volc rillaboom and azu) im not so sure about how the last two fit tho

[wild sinew]

Lefties isn't really as reliable, I'd suggest something like rocky helmet for Urshifu or an offensive item like Lorb. Hell you can give it Sitrus and Dengo lefties
Rilla wants bulk over speed, at least an adamant nature. The extra speed is really unnecessary
Azu doesn't really fit here, I'm a ran of something like Mystic Water Urshifu or Specs Flutter Mane here to give you ways to apply immediate pressure
Probably go with a frailer and faster Thundurus since you have screens. At least make sure you outspeed and ohko Urshifu as it's a big problem for your team
Gholdengo appreciates the lefties like I said because it can last on the field for more than 4 turns (24%~) while Volc is much frailer. I would suggest to go a bit bulkier on the physical side too though

[plain nebula]

https://pokepast.es/55932bbe74295640

Alright I fixed some things from my previous reg d team that’s built around sneasler

[wild sinew]

Bulkier Tornadus, Air Slash > Bleakwind if you're using sun
Rotom generally not the best, Chien Pao or Urshifu fit here a lot nicer, Pao helping Sneasler scaring away Gholdengo and Lando who otherwise are really good into you. Urshifu also handles Lando well and gives you a FWGF core that let's you switch around
Bulkier Specs or SpA Booster Energy Flutter Mane. Sash Mane hits like wet tissue paper
Bulky Chi Yu is meant for Nasty Plot sets, and your team does not have enough support to justify it. Generally a fast Life Orb or Scarf Tera Grass/Ghost Tera Blast is good

[hallow ether]

https://pokepast.es/a9f93c65f691f974 @wild sinew this it?

i gave amoongus clear smog for dondozos

[wild sinew]

Tera Ghost Tera Blast is probably better than Tera Dragon Dragon Claw

[hallow ether]

tera dragon for dragondarts doe

[wild sinew]

Dragon Darts if they don't protect is still not the best, 50 BP on each target
Tera Blast Ghost gives you the same power as Dragon Claw but gives you an instant way to delete Flutter Mane and a lot of the meta because of the neutral coverage. Main reason I suggest it is that Alex's NAIC winning team also had Tera Ghost Tera Blast.

[wild sinew]

I think your team can handle Dondozo without it is the thing

[hallow ether]

ah

ok

then i'll change it up

tysm

[wild sinew]

You're welcome, good luck

[mint pilot]

Is there a reason I see people running the genie storm moves in the rain? Do they get any added buffs?

[lost phoenix]

they cant miss under rain

except springtide

[mint pilot]

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/4b5837c5f940d458 been messing around with this hard tr team, but im wondering if I should switch one of my members for armarouge. Any thoughts?

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[wild sinew]

Unnecessary change, you can change Hatt if you really want it

[mint pilot]

is the team good other than that?

[wild sinew]

Tera Water or Fire are better for Glast would be the main change I'd make. Heatran is a very bad matchup without it

[mint pilot]

yeah thats what I was thinking too, thanks

[winter gulch]

oh that's a cloverbells team lol

I feel like the team doesn't get enough kills quickly enough

also I would change Indeedee to Psy Seed with decent Phys bulk so you can live double ups and spread moves / actually set TR yourself if need be

but yeah its built solid

[mint pilot]

i dont think indeedee can get much more physically bulky, its already max defense and almost max hp

[winter gulch]

Yes but I'm saying you dont have enough special bulk

[vapid cape]

How would you improve this team? I've been playtesting it a while and think it's improved massively from where I started, but don't really know where to improve from here:
https://pokepast.es/1ba15a224e6610ed

[wild sinew]

• Optimise EVs
• Tera Fairy/Steel Flutter, Tera Ghost Thundy and Tera Fire Rilla are probably ideal
• Chien Pao needs Protect, over Ice Shard or sacred sword. If you keep ice shard make it Tera Ice, if you keep sacred then Tera Ghost
  Overall the team is good though, I can give you EV spreads for everything if you need them

[vapid cape]

I was running Fire Rilla, but I'm swapping to ghost to allow Rilla to be a better counter for Luna. If it doesn't Tera Normal, Woodhammer OHKO's. I can outlive Luna EQ with Tera Ghost. Why Ghost Thundy?
EV's are my weak spot, yeah- I think the spreads might help

Rilla effectively walls Luna Guts Facade

[wild sinew]

Ghost Thundy for extreme speed and fake out. Ursaluna kind of fell off so I feel like countering it is unnecessary, give Fire a go and if you struggle with trick room you can go back
I'll send them to you when I get the time

[vapid cape]

I'd just been having alot of issue with TR Luna so it felt necessary. Ill swap back to Fire tho

[wild sinew]

You would usually see Urshifu over Lando/Pao on these teams

[vapid cape]

I had Urshifu on here, but I'm running Sun Thundy and for what Shifu could accomplish, Pao did it just as well in most areas and didn't have negative synergy with Sun Thundy

[rigid island]

https://pokepast.es/02c57b07a0da83ef

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[rigid island]

for regulation d

thoughts?

usually I lead hands with grimmsnarl

gastro for urshifu rapid cause crits are annoying

arcanine for intimidate support and av for mane

brute bonnet to deal with spore

[wild sinew]

The Main thing is that youre team just does not synergise that well, all of these pokemon can work fine on their own but dont support each other in the best way
I think AV Iron Hands is best on screens, fake out helps you get both up a lot easier and H Arc is unnecessary. If you were to make this change youd go Tera Grass
Grimm is fine for now
Arc can be a set up mon like G-Moltress, Gholdengo, H-Goodra etc which like to abuse screens. Id usually suggest two of these set up pokemon, a screen setter, Rillaboom, a way to exert immidiete pressure and some sort of support for the team (Amoonguss/Gastro). I dont want to completely change the team though
Helmet Gastro isnt the best since Urshi takes no damage hitting into storm drain, Lefties or Sitrus give it a lot more use, at least in taking close combats better
Like Ive said Id prolly change Ting to smth like Flutter Mane for pressure and Brute Bonnet to Rillaboom for the grassy terrain healing. I guess you could try weakness policy Ting here?

[rigid island]

thanks!

[hasty owl]

https://pokepast.es/3aac408a23bf103d

I tried making a team with brambleghast

Can u guys tell me if this will work or not

@wild sinew

[wild sinew]

The team does follow basic principals so it's fine. Main things are
Both Sash and Bulk are unnecessary, You can either make it Bulky with an offensive item or fast with the sash
Arc could probably be replaced by Chien Pao but if you intend to keep it probably go rock head with head smash, you already have intimidate
Just run Iron Head over Tera Blast, also Taunt > protect/Steel attack imo, helps soften the TR mu and Gyara doesn't need both of those.
Make the Flutter Mane SpA Booster and make it bulkier
Max SpD Iron Hands is generally better to maximise AV, ideally drop to 76 Atk and move hp and Def into SpD, you really don't need a lot of physical bulk

[hasty owl]

Can u give a good spread for flutter

[wild sinew]

68/0/116/116/4/204 Modest

[hasty owl]

Thx

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/f57774c65e4a55e5

Okay so hear me out...
The idea with this team is to prankster tailwind turn one, allowing this team to quickly overwhelm you offensively.

-Brambleghast is innatley a check to amooguss due to its typing, also matching up well into a tera normal dragonite and facade ursaluna. Shadow sneak allows it to counter flutter mane while also effectivley checking urshifu by resisting its two primary stab attacks and outspeeding any urshifu unless your opponent wants risk setting tailwind and boosing your attack
-Iron Bundle is running a basic booster energy set as a fast special sweeper to cover areas where brambleghast can't threaten
-Tornadus runs a baic set, only substituting protect for a priority rain dance in case palafin is ran over iron bundle
-Palafin runs choice band, allowing it to either sweep in its hero form with it's insane attack stat, be an effective wave crash user in the rain in even its base form, or utilize it's priority jet punch in a situation where tailwind isn't set with close combat and ice punch for coverage
-Amongus is mainly here to run rage powder, using a basic set
-Lastly, Rabsca is here because I think revival blessing is funny and thought it'd be a fun gimmick to switch in rabsca after your primary sweeper dies, rage powder + revival blessing > memento

I know this team is really gimmicky and a leap in comp play but I'm looking for suggestions to make the core of this team (brambleghast + tailwind) have some effect, so any suggestions are much appreciated, thank you!!

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[cyan nexus]

Updated set

https://pokepast.es/66846cf300b612cf

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[sterile flame]

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[sterile flame]

back at it again with my overqwil team, it's actually pretty cool but im debating garchomp's position in favor of more of a supporter

maybe idrk

[wild sinew]

Not bad, I'd suggest making Tornadus bulkier and Getting 44 hp / 4 Def bulk for Urshifu
Glimm and Wyrdeer don't really fit the team, and Chomp is just out of outclassed are the main issues

[sterile flame]

fair

glimmora is there for opposing flying types cuz she smashed them pretty easily without the risk of missing rock slide, as well as spreading poison around early game so my overqwil can sweep lategame

this team might be broken once okidoki n crew comes in

also i dont really know what to do about trick room

maybe amoongus instead of wyrdeer?

[wild sinew]

Chien Pao can just do that job a lot better in the meta and supports Urshifu too
There are other things like Eleki if you're feeling fancy. Poison won't give you enough support to justify it imo, you're trying to do as much damage in as little turns as possible with a HO core like this.
Amoonguss would be a lot better yh, I'd look at Iron Hands, Dragonite and Flutter Mane in the Garchomp slot

[sterile flame]

hands might actaully be crazy

[stray canopy]

https://pokepast.es/2d29578db8a7f330 thoughts

[wild sinew]

Not a bad comp at all
Give Urshifu at least 28/12/4 bulk to survive a Dragonite Extreme Speed
Chien Pao wants at least 4 EVs in defence. (0 / 0 makes Surging Strikes a 80% chance to kill. 4 Def makes it a 25% chance to kill, 12 hp / 4 Def makes it a 6% chance to kill)
I do think you might want Arcanine, Heatran or Chi Yu over Tornadus here or Dragonite over Ting Lu, going balance or HO is just stronger than mashing up the two.
If you intend to keep Tornadus, use a different spread and Tera Steel/Ghost for frailer ones (108/0/84/164/4/148 Timid or 164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest) while Tera Dark or Tera Flying on a physically Bulky one (244/0/164/4/92/4 Bold). Tell me which fire type you want and I'll dm you a set
If you intend to keep Ting Lu then you can, I'd look into Tera Water (Urshifu and Chien Pao) and Grass (Urshifu and Rillaboom) over Tera Poison this regulation though. Depends on which one of Rillaboom or Chien Pao you find gives you more trouble. If you replace it Dragonite is easy to use, You use Choice Band Tera Normal with Extreme Speed, Outrage, and 2 filler slots which can be Aqua Jet, Stomping Tantrum, Low Kick, Iron Head etc. Just make sure you live Extreme Speed from Opposing Dragonite, I don't suggest dropping attack below 204 Adamant, just go 252 if you're going Jolly.
Going 100 SpD and 156 Def Bold uses the same amount of EVs, gets 113 SpD and it hits 121 Def instead of 120, minor but you are just missing out on stats with the current spread. I'd also suggest rocky helmet over Sitrus Berry, the recovery isn't missed this regulation

The Flutter spread isn't bad and it is certainly usable but I would reconsider it, going a bit faster might benefit you here as the original bulk was for Palafin which kind of died now. If you still want to be really Bulky you can use 76/220 or 52/236 which live Adamant Icicle Crash, something rising in usage. However what I suggest is living Adamant Ice Spinner with 100/156 bulk, this let's you free up more Speed and SpA. This also let's you live Jolly Icicle Crash and Adamant is still a roll. I also would actually suggest Timid or Tera Water, Timid let's you outspeed other Flutter Mane and Adamant Chien Pao and you're still hitting hard because of Tera Fairy Specs, Tera Water is more of a reason to use modest so consider that too.

[stray canopy]

thank you for the tips

[wild sinew]

Yw, good luck

[stray canopy]

you too

[spiral shale]

https://pokepast.es/1a84d06121af5be9

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[spiral shale]

hands could easily be something else, wanted something for paonite

[wild sinew]

Everything is solid tbh, hard to suggest improvements. what are you struggling with exactly?
Ig I would suggest a bulkier Rillaboom as that much speed is unnecesary, being able to get more value from AV and live Ice Spinner feel like stronger options.
Thundurus spread feels a bit iffy tho, what does it do?
Iron Hands doesnt really fit the team and your team isnt necessarily bad against PaoNite when you have Spectrier, being a Ghost type with Wisp helps it check most variations. Id look into a Chien Pao or a Flutter Mane in that slot who complement the team a lot better while also being solid into the PaoNite mu

[spiral shale]

whats the best pao tera

also rilla doesnt live chien pao ice spinner without 252hp 60def

which leaves 36 speed

[wild sinew]

Ghost, Grass, Electric, Ice and Dark are all great sets

[wild sinew]

You dont have to take out speed, 116 Atk is usually all you need so you can drop that down a bit
Most Rillaboom range between 12-44 and cap at around 60 Spe EVs so its not too bad, and losing fake out war is always something you can play around with even if theyre weirdly faster. Rillaboom appreciates the bulk to eat hits and consistently switch in a lot more

[spiral shale]

cool, https://pokepast.es/09e6dd6cb18f0e8f, this is it now, got the new thundy spread from neilvgc

[wild sinew]

Ah I see, this should be fine. Just keep in mind to move at least 4 SpD EVs into Def on Chien Pao, dropping 2 points from attack if you're comfortable

252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Chien-Pao on a critical hit: 147-174 (94.2 - 111.5%) -- approx. 81.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Chien-Pao on a critical hit: 138-165 (89 - 106.4%) -- approx. 25% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Mystic Water Urshifu-Rapid Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 12 HP / 4 Def Chien-Pao on a critical hit: 138-165 (87.8 - 105%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO

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[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/52a3576b195248e5

The idea with this team is to prankster tailwind turn one, allowing this team to quickly overwhelm you offensively.

-Brambleghast is innatley a check to amooguss due to its typing, also matching up well into a tera normal dragonite and facade ursaluna. Shadow sneak allows it to counter flutter mane while also effectivley checking urshifu by resisting its two primary stab attacks and outspeeding any urshifu unless your opponent wants risk setting tailwind and boosing your attack
-Palafin runs choice band, allowing it to either sweep in its hero form with it's insane attack stat, be an effective wave crash user in the rain in even its base form, or utilize it's priority jet punch in a situation where tailwind isn't set with close combat and ice punch for coverage
-Chi-Yu has good natural synergy with brambleghast, allowing them to cover eachothers weaknesses, chi-yu also has ability scarf to speed boost in case tailwind isn't set, also outspending most other chi-yus in the format. Tera fire boosted heat wave is the main idea when it comes to ko's
-Tornadus runs a baic set, only substituting protect for a priority rain dance both for palafin and bleakwind storm accuracy boost
-Scizor is put here as a threatening attacker with swords dance close combat to clean up remaining opponents, scizor would be ran in situations not suited for palafin, as they cover similar niches
-Lastly, hisuian goodra is fantastic at sitting on the field and not dying, only being primarily checked by earthquake users, as it's fighting weakness is checked with Brambleghast accounting for most of the fighting-type attackers in the format. Goodra runs a basic shelter heavy slam set, with a body press that will OHKO most (I think any) Flutter Manes

Any help is appricated, the 6th slot is definitely in the air because I know Scizor fits weirdly in this team, thank you!!

[spiral shale]

brambleghast does not check amoong with that set

[wild sinew]

Tera Blast > Substitue, it's pretty frail and your main Ghost stab being limited to Shadow Sneak is really not ideal. Tera Blast Ghost let's you put a lot more presence on the field and gives you something against grass resists.
Palafin is fine for now Ig, Urshifu is better but it's not a bad Mon here. Try Tera Grass Tera Blast over CC/Ice Punch and tell me how it goes
Chi Yu however has omega antisynergy with the team, you have 0 special attackers (except Torn who is hard to really count) and you have rain dance too which you'd like to set. A Fire-Water-Grass core isn't necessary for a team like this considering you want to overwhelm your opponents with Tailwind. I would suggest Specs Flutter Mane here who gives you a lot more freedom in your plays while keeping a reliable special attacker.
I'd suggest another item for Scizor, Life Orb maybe. Intimidate isn't nearly as common currently and you really appreciate the damage output. I suggest Pounce/X Scizor over Close Combat to threaten Cresselia before and after Tera, they are as strong as CC factoring in stab afterall.
I don't like H Goodra here, it isn't a splashable Mon and needs support built around it. I'd suggest Chien Pao here who not only supports Bramble, Palafin and Scizor, but also gives you one of the best offensive types right now, a way to deter the primary intimidator since you switched to life orb, but it can also give you Sacred Sword coverage if you want fighting type moves.

[cyan nexus]

Yeah this makes a lot of sense, thank you!
Is flutter mane the only special attacker that works here? It doesn't seem like there are many relevant special attackers right now. Like would specs gholdingo work here?

[wild sinew]

Gholdengo would work fine, so would a few special attackers. Flutter Mane is just the best pokemon in the format and a lot easier to use because of the speed and typing.

[cyan nexus]

Makes sense

[cyan nexus]

@wild sinew how is Chien-Pao supposed to be used? I'm unfamiliar with what build I should be running in this set and I feel like the typing is a bit deabilitating, should I be running an offensive glass-cannon tera or a defensive tera?

[wild sinew]

Chien Pao is an offensive focus Sash pokemon which uses 3 attacks/Protect. You usually want an offensive or utility Tera like ghost to dodge fake out and extreme speed preserving your Sash or Grass to dodge Amoonguss (although I wouldn't recommend grass usually, it's an okay Tera but it has better ones Imo)

[cyan nexus]

https://pokepast.es/84de6570590fbb7e

This is what I'm looking at right now, but I wanted your opinion on who I should be primarily leading with, and if there are any two pokemon that I shouldn't be running at the same time

[cyan nexus]

I haven't swapped ice punch for tera blast yet but I am gonna try that because it sounds fun

[wild sinew]

This is fine for now, move 8 hp into spe for Gholdengo and 4 hp into Def for Chien Pao.
Consider a bulkier Scizor too, not sure it's speed is enough and you want to click bullet punch most of the time

[cyan nexus]

Got it

[tall ore]

https://pokepast.es/5b59244e9ecaa432

team ive been trying out, its pretty fun but it could probably be improved

cresselia and enamorus is my main lead but anything can lead with cress

i changed weakness policy on Samu to life orb to guarentee urshifu OHKO with tera blast

since it hard tanks with shell armour

[wanton oracle]

https://pokepast.es/eb2cc015ae50e555

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[wild sinew]

Team is overall okay minus EV spreads which I assume you took the Showdown ones for, I can give you the ideal ones if you want them. Major changes though are
Detect vs Protect on Urshifu, this is a preference but detect let's you break out of encore quicker and you don't deal with Imprison at the cost of less pp, if your Urshifu is on the field and needs to click detect 9 times idk how that happened.
Make Thundy Safety Goggles or Life Orb with Volt Switch/Tbolt/Thunder/Tera Blast (Water, Ice and Flying are all good) over Snarl
H Goodra doesn't really fit on this team, not enough support for it and I'd suggest Chien Pao
Aqua Jet > Ice Fang, it's never really doing enough damage to lock into it and you would rather the priority.
Assualt Vest Tera Water/Fire Rillaboom

[wanton oracle]

These better?
https://pokepast.es/fa1452532a0b352d
Btw i use crunch over sucked punch on chien-pao because it's stronger and it isn't a 50/50 chance of hitting and failing

[wild sinew]

Yes this is fine
Sucker Punch isn't a 50/50, it outputs pressure on the field and can give you momentum vs faster mons, I'd suggest it over sacred sword tbh as you already have Urshifu, being able to move first is just super crucial and after you play more you can identify when it is a good idea to click Sucker Punch or not

[wanton oracle]

Thx

[wild sinew]

I'll dm you spreads once I'm at home so keep an eye out for that

[tall ore]

any opinions?

[midnight hull]

https://pokepast.es/cebbc882c7d2d649

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[midnight hull]

Hows this offensive team

[sand minnow]

i wanted to make a ditto team

what do u think

https://pokepast.es/43df3801178c3708

[wild sinew]

44 hp / 4 Def / 4 SpD Bulk on Urshifu to live Dragonite Extreme Speed
Make the Flutter Mane Special Attack Booster with a bulkier spread, at least enough to live Jolly Ice Spinner. This way you can do more reliable damage and last longer on the field. 68 hp / 116 Def btw. I would also consider Tera Water or Grass to help against the Opposing Urshifu you power up with rain dance.
Make Tornadus a lot bulkier, I suggest Tera Steel, Ghost or Dark as they each have more benefits than Grass and remove your Chien Pao weakness
Amoonguss is good
Chien Pao should be Focus Sash with an offensive Tera or Ghost.

As for Arcanine it's a bit too slow paced for your team and pokemon like Dragonite, Farigiraf, Dragapult, Thundurus T, Lando I, Basculegion, Gholdengo and other strong offensive pokemon. Tell me which one you want to use and I'll give you the ideal sets for it here

[wild sinew]

Sorry, don't believe we rate incomplete teams

[midnight hull]

Which of those mons would you recommend

Personally I would probably go with Thundurus-Therian

[wild sinew]

Dragonite is the easiest to use but all work great. For Thundy T you either want to go Life Orb Wildbolt Storm/Tera Blast/Volt Switch/Protect, Assualt Vest with Sludge Bomb or Grass Knot over Protect or a Defensive Safety Goggles set with Tera Electric and Nasty Plot over Tera Blast.

[midnight hull]

For life orb 252 spa 252 speed

Terra flying

[wild sinew]

Yep
Tera can be flying, Ice or water

[midnight hull]

Whats the pros and cons of each, if you don't mind me asking

[wild sinew]

164/0/52/36/148/108 Modest if you go Nasty Plot btw

[wild sinew]

For the Teras?

[midnight hull]

Yeah

[wild sinew]

Flying is just immidiete 2x stab and does ridiculous damage, you only have 2 weaknesses because of Volt absorb.
Ice gives you relatively fast BoltBeam and Amoongus can keep you safe from the bad defensive typing
Water is ridiculous boosted by rain and gives you only one weakness because of Volt absorb, you can always Volt Switch out of the main grass type being Rillaboom

[midnight hull]

https://pokepast.es/019db544d3828509

Hows this

@wild sinew

[wild sinew]

Sorry, was busy
This looks good for now, give it a test and update me

[midnight hull]

Nah you're fine

I've found if I can't get tail wind up I kinda lose

I kinda want to run mental herb on my own Tornadus to stop from being taunted from opposesing torns

[wild sinew]

Go Tera Ghost then

It's a viable set

[midnight hull]

Why terra ghost

To stop fake out I'm guessing

[wild sinew]

Yes, you want to get Tailwind up at all costs
And Espeed as a bonus

[midnight hull]

Thanks mate 😄

Any major threats should I look for at for

[wild sinew]

Don't think so actually
Probably a variation of trick room

[wild sinew]

It works fine, there are just a few things
Moonblast > Mystical Fire for immidiete single target damage, you have Heatran and without stab it isn't really doing enough
Give Cresselia Tera Grass to beat Amoonguss, who can Spore you before you set up trick room, but also mental herb to ensure you handle Taunt. Your team looks very reliant on trick room afterall without a way to start the game fast
Headlong Rush > High Horsepower and Crunch > Close Combat in general, let's you hit things that wall you like bronzong and Levitating Ghosts while keeping a super strong stab move you can click to delete stuff.
Tera Blast > Power Gem imo, Safety Goggles Tera Flying is interesting but it does Wall Lilikoal harder so I dig it. Earth Power isn't mandatory when you have it on Enam and have ground coverage in Ursaluna. I do tho highly suggest at least trying safety Goggles Tera Dark Cresselia and making Heatran Life Orb Tera Grass, this loses that niche but it means it can ohko Flutter Mane for example
Make Samurott special, not only does it have a higher SpA stat, but then you get things like

252+ SpA Samurott Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Urshifu-Rapid Strike: 164-194 (93.7 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Samurott Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Landorus-Therian: 240-284 (122.4 - 144.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Mystic Water Samurott Hydro Pump vs. 204 HP / 4 SpD Heatran: 206-246 (107.2 - 128.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I would suggest the last move to be; Detect, Encore, Taunt or Helping hand as it has enough coverage and not that many special moves. Probably Tera Grass, Water or Poison?

[mental yarrow]

https://pokepast.es/6214a12b9e87e3d5 is this good?

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[tall ore]

Awesome thanks

[rotund crown]

any thoughts on this team?

threw it together relatively quickly yesterday and it's been performing decently so far

flutter and heatran are just yoinked from the top victory road team since they seemed to fit the team

the idea is basically use follow me/taunt to stop TR so urshifu can swords dance and click buttons

[sand minnow]

i think the idea is clear here

https://pokepast.es/b504ec020fe1d8ec

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[wild sinew]

44 / 4 / 4 bulk on Urshifu
Bulkier Tornadus, depending on preference 244/0/164/4/92/4 Bold, 164/0/84/92/68/100 Modest and 108/0/84/164/4/148 Timid are all viable
Protect > Extreme speed, use a nature
Replace rain dance with Tera Blast or something, bitter malice > Shadow Ball on this team, Protect > helping hand. Make it Timid and change the Tera to offensive. Fairy and fighting ideally
Make Basc Adamant since you have both Tailwind and Rain Dance
I'll explain any of the changes you need me to

[wild sinew]

Replace Punching glove with Protective Pads, Safety Goggles or Mystic Water. Punching glove removes contact entirely so Urshifu can't break through Protect. I suggest trying to go bulkier and using drain punch for a Swords Dance set, if it doesn't work you can always go back to 44 / 4 / 4 bulk and CC
Maus just doesn't really do anything with Amoonguss on the team, something with offensive pressure Like Chien Pao, Dragonite, Landorus etc or Gothitelle to go full in on perish are your strongest options
Black sludge is bad as it hurts you after you Tera, Amoonguss wants to Tera all the time to get a crucial Spore or rage powder off. Sitrus if you want healing but rocky helmet is generally great this regulation, being able to break Chien Pao's focus Sash and injure Urshifu being prime examples.
You can keep Murkrow if you intend to follow the perish song idea, otherwise Tornadus does the team wonders if you look for Tailwind and Thundurus/Cress are in general really nice for balance.
I would suggest dropping hp to 204 and using the points for SpA or speed, lefties optimisation is nice for something like Heatran and even more in a Rillaboom meta

[rotund crown]

wait wdym punching gloves makes it so urshifu can't break protect?

in terms of EV spreads aside from the heat and flutter I just went for max/max on most mons cuz I'm lazy and I don't really know the relevant breakpoints for vgc since I'm mainly a singles player

and the black sludge thing completely slipped my mind, thanks for that

[wild sinew]

It works weird, unlike Protective Pads it removes contact from Surging Strikes entirely, unseen fist only works on contact moves

[rotund crown]

ah I see

punching gloves is really good on it in singles since protect is barely relevant so I actually didn't know that

[wild sinew]

Yeah that's the difference

I believe 236 / 180 / 92 Bold Amoonguss lives Adamant Ice Spinner so you could try that as a spread

[rotund crown]

ah nice

the maushold slot was mainly for redirection to allow urshifu to SD, also a fast taunt mon to stop trick room since just at a glance the team looks really weak to ursaluna

[wild sinew]

Harder to play 252/252 because it's a 2v2 and you only have 2 switch ins

[rotund crown]

and murkrow I pretty much didn't really know what to do with the moveset so I just slapped perish song as a last move lol

but thundurus (incarnate I'm assuming) seems like a pretty good option

[wild sinew]

Urshifu itself is kind of an ursaluna counter breaking through its Protect and Surging Strikes/Close Combat depending on the chosen offensive Tera. You have Amoonguss which enables Swords Dance and its Spore paired with Thundurus/Tornadus Taunt will get 90% of trick room, it's negative priority afterall

[rotund crown]

is there any benefit from running torn over thundurus and vice versa?

[wild sinew]

Yeah they're a bit different

[rotund crown]

only thing that comes to mind is thund's access to electric stab and ig the secondary effect of their new signature moves

iirc they're multi target right

[wild sinew]

Thundurus works as disruption using Thunder Wave and other moves, but it isn't passive because it gets a reliable single target move in Thunderbolt
Tornadus relies on bleakwind storm which has horrible accuracy without rain and tailwind is a lot more straightforward than Twave, just gets your pokemon to outspeed the other team, I do think this is worse for your team as it is slower paced and you don't benefit from the 4 turns of nuking as much.
A cool little thing you can do is scary face/thunder wave yourself to underspeed things in trick room
They both do get Taunt which is what you really want though

[rotund crown]

yo the scary facing myself is some sick tech

I thought both got tailwind tho

[wild sinew]

Nah Thundurus doesn't get it sadly

[rotund crown]

guess I was just misremembering then

just checked bulbapedia

wildbolt storm is just straight up bad I'm assuming as well?

gets a 30% para chance but is 80% acc

[wild sinew]

You can use it if you want
But accuracy is just really important when every turn matters, you usually want to hit 1 target anyway

[rotund crown]

yeah

[wild sinew]

I had a similar version of your team I can quickly adjust to give you an idea of what you want

[rotund crown]

that would be cool

but basically if we were to sum everything up

• change maushold slot into something with stronger and immediate offensive pressure
• change urshifu's item and potentially slap drain punch there
• change murkrow to thundurus
• change amoonguss' item

[wild sinew]

There are a lot of things you can change but generally
https://pokepast.es/0a212218c4d5767d

[rotund crown]

oh yeah now that I see the paste I have a question

the victory road team where I got the flutter set from was also tera water

but I decided to change it to fairy

what's the reasoning behind water flutter?

ik it's a fantastic defensive typing but with how frail flutter is I don't really understand why

[wild sinew]

Tera Water is nicer against Opposing Urshifu
It comes with bonuses like resisting Pao and being one of if not the best defensive types right now

Flutter is actually not that frail because of its already excellent neutral typing

Because of that it only has to calc for neutral hits

It invested to live Tera Water Mystic Water Palafin last regulation

[rotund crown]

ic

do you know any specific resources I could check to learn more about the VGC EV spreads?

because I normally play draft leagues so I'm used to venturing outside of the 252/252/4 sets but when I have to consider an entire meta instead of just my opponent's 10-11 mons I feel kinda lost

[rotund crown]

sorry for bothering you with this again I just realized something, any specific reason for the 27 speed IVs on the mushroom?

only thing I can think of is underspeeding opposing amoonguss but still feels kinda random

[wild sinew]

Sorry, missed this
Pikalytics will have some common ones, scroll down under the 252/252s which aren't recommended
You could also ask different servers or just dm me, i don't mind what spread a certain pokemon should have
If you do have the time you can go to the damage calculator and build one

[wild sinew]

Underspeeding base 50s like Ursaluna under trick room

[rotund crown]

oh yeah pikalytics is a thing

[sand minnow]

idk why it aint working 65 flinching is good

but i still don't get it most of the time

i am using sandy shock

for gravity even if i lose tailwind boost

i think gravity is better

[winter gulch]

My favorite strat is to move the sliders around randomly until I miss living something or miss and KO and adjust according

totally efficient and not bad advice at all

252/252/4 also works

[wild sinew]

That's definitely reliable and just looks prettier than 252/252

[rotund crown]

I do that a lot when I build for draft leagues and then end up with shit like this lol

Also quick update on the team, it's 10-1 so far and the only loss was to a bleakwind storm crit

Think I might actually build the team on catridge and try to hit masterball

Thanks for all the input guys

[wild sinew]

You're always welcome
I do suggest a bit more testing though, changing stuff on cart is a serious pain

[rotund crown]

Fair

I only hit 1200 too so that's probably still low

Seeing a lot of grimmsnarl teams which I didnt expect

[wild sinew]

Screens a very common archetype yeah

[rotund crown]

Not that many trick rooms too which was surprising

I also dabbled in vgc back in swsh and TR was everywhere

With ursaluna being a thing I thought I'd see it way more

[wild sinew]

50% Usage Urshifu is really sad for it

[wild sinew]

I do get you're trying to do a fun idea but you seem relatively new to vgc? I always strongly suggest taking a pre existing team to get more comfortable with the game and identifying what can be good or not

[gaunt oar]

https://pokepast.es/a0e2329d8eb353d7 thoughts?

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[wild sinew]

I'm insane
I clicked on the thread before getting pinged 🔥

[wild sinew]

What does 116/116 bulk do for Flutter Mane? Actually everything other than Amoonguss spread is unique to me, can you explain your ideas? Because I see things I'm not quite the big fan of some things and would like to know what comes to mind

You have both SpA Booster and Chi Yu so I would suggest Tera Water to help you defensively.
I would consider Tera Blast on Chi, it can ohko things like Urshi and FM while being spammable unlike Overheat.
I suggest Ice Punch Iron Hands, Lando T, especially the Scarf variant looks like it can Nuke a lot of things here while you have redirection in Amoonguss and things that can quickly k.o it like Gholdengo, Flutter and possibly Chi making Heavy Slam unnecessary

Not much to comment on, good team that looks like a faster paced balance, Twave Gyara sounds a bit harder to pilot as your only speed control but it should work fine if you bring the right 4. Good combos and answers to the meta without a major flaw. Best thing I can do is suggest certain EV changes but I'll need to know what you had in mind first

[gaunt oar]

116/116 is just filler after the outspending torn and triggering SPA booster energy, most of the spreads aren't too optimized as of right now cuz I didn't really calc for anything in particular so if there are spread changes you'd make then do tell

Most of these spreads were either grabbed from pikalytics or from other teams also, I mainly looked at speed stuff when picking spreads (like Chi-Yu outspeeds adamant landoT I believe)

[wild sinew]

Got it

[gaunt oar]

This is all kinds just a first draft around the amoonguss Gyara Chi-Yu core from reg c

[wild sinew]

I can dm you spreads for the mons I've used
I'll have to quickly make a Reg D Gyara spread though

[gaunt oar]

If you've got the time that'd be awesome :D

[wild sinew]

Sent btw

[mental yarrow]

ok thanks

[sand minnow]

thank you i am indeed new to pokemon, however idk if it is only me but i find it more fun to make teams lol

[sand basin]

https://pokepast.es/1c944f4aa8e18ccc

[drifting onyx]

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[sand basin]

Ive thought about changing both farigiraf or iron bundle

because i feel as though i might get more value out of a heatran or a urshifu

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/3b229a1dd25911bb

what do u say

sandy shocks and urshi pairs prety good

[sand minnow]

i replaced thunder bolt with thunder cause i will have gravity on

[wild sinew]

Yeah it's definitely really fun, however when the teams struggle it becomes frustrating
When using a pre existing team, you know the team is good so the only issue is skill, you just need to grow to pilot it and after you hit a point where you're satisfied you could try approach teambuilding again

[sand basin]

I like teambuilding its fun but sometimes i just feel im not doing it right

My team above i think may function as an example

Im not sure if its good or not

Im probably gonna restart making a team maybe im not too sure tbh

[wild sinew]

I can rate the new one instead if you wish

[sand basin]

Rate this one first im not sure

I already got some feedback but im not sure if they’re even credible

[sand minnow]

i listened to ur advice but i couldnt stop myself from editing existant teams lol

i ended up with a prety good results

[wild sinew]

Yeah it's a good team, the comp doesn't have any big issues, Tailroom team which can answer faster teams, you can answer trick room, you can answer paonite. I would suggest trying it on ladder and identifying what you struggle with. My preferences are

Detect > Protect, not dealing with Imprison and being encore locked, also looks and sounds Cooler
Tera Water/Steel/Fairy > Ghost, you have protection vs fake out and you can live a Dragonite Espeed with just 8 more EVs in both hp and Def.
I'll always suggest Tera Grass Arc because of the water resistances and built in safety goggles, a 33% healing berry is one example of an item
Encore > Icy Wind on Iron Bundle, you have plenty of speed control with Tailwind and Trick Room so you'll get a lot more value out of encore which beats Dondozo and Hoodra along with being an amazing move in general because of how common Protect is. Go 44/0/12/196/4/236 Modest as a spread, Iron Bundle really wants modest because of how high the power level is but this also let's you outspeed Eleki and live sacred sword from Chien Pao.
Consider Psyshock Flutter Mane because you already have electric coverage in Zapdos
Consider now adding Safety Goggles to Farigiraf, it isn't really scared of prankster taunt because of Armour tail and that's the main Taunt rn. Also think about helping hand. Helping Hand Tera Fairy Specs Dgleam will give you some clean Turn 1s

[sand basin]

i was thinking that arcanine could be replaced with lando/gyar and zapdos replaced with eleki

what are your opinions on that

because with how im planning to play zapdos in some scenarios i feel as though eleki may play that role better

[wild sinew]

Then I'd suggest to drop Bundle for Chi Yu

[sand basin]

oh so overall iron bundle works well with arcanine and zapdos

[wild sinew]

Yeah
You Keep a FWG core and when you have both the fast Eleki and a water type in Gyara, there's just no reason to keep Bundle over Chi who can support Flutter and Eleki

[sand basin]

in your opinion do you think that composition provides more less or equal value

[wild sinew]

Depends on playstyle
What you brought up goes for a more offensive approach than your original team which leans towards balance.

[sand basin]

So far I’ve been leading with fari zap im not too sure on consistent leads but I’ve seen some success with flutter fari

Is it ideal to lead with zapdos or i would see more value not leading with it

[wild sinew]

It is good to lead it yes, just probably not always next to giraffe

[sand minnow]

the team is good but the tera types i chose are bad 😦

i took one online

and changed it a bit

but it was a bit old

[wild sinew]

You just haven't acknowledged that Protect is the single most important move in the game yet

And defensive Teras are usually prioritised

[sand minnow]

i know i do not have much experiance, i learned pokemon from playing chess
i tried once a premade team it was great, with armarouge indeedf

[wild sinew]

Yeah so I suggest more experience like that before teambuilding

[sand minnow]

thank you, i did good with that team i will try to find it again

[grand umbra]

okay, I made this team with the fundamentals I know, urshifu and flutter are both strong offensive threats that can manage most of the metagame, heatran is there to take out pokemon that wall or deal with them easily. More notably, Amoongus, and brambleghast ,Torn is there for tailwind support and to help urshifu with more damage if needed. And plus to help prevent Protosynthesis boost with sun teams or sun torn. Amoongus helps with redirection support if needed, and landorus-T helps with pivoting and some offense.
https://pokepast.es/0c693e5413d87799

@wild sinew @winter gulch

Srry for the ping

[wild sinew]

TormShifu, Flutter and Amoonguss is a pre existing 4 really solid as a HO core. Flutter is generally Specs or Booster though for the damage output. Amoonguss should either be 31 or 27 IV to underspeed Ursaluna
Not a fan of Heatran here because you'll weaken your own fire moves, Smth like Chien Pao or something that takes advantage of rain are what you'll usually see here. If you do go Chien Pao which is my recommendation I'd either make Lando Scarf, change it to Sandsear Storm Lando-I, or replace it with Dragonite

Something you should keep in mind is that EVs work differently at level 50, they start at 4 and then every 8 is another stat so your stats should be a multiple of 4 and not a multiple of 8

[grand umbra]

I do generally prefer heatran to it being able to deal with flutter and provide a second fairy resist. But I won't complain.

[wild sinew]

Chien Pao can beat Flutter one on one because of Sucker punch and just deletes it from the field if you're Tera Dark/Ice Ice Spinner/Crunch. But it supports Urshifu so much and Ice is one of the best offensive types right now since a lot of the meta are weak to it

Rage Powder is generally your plan for Fairy resist even if it might be trickier to switch around

[sand minnow]

@wild sinew as u suggested me this is the team i am using

it is prety commun tbh

https://pokepast.es/ce135e080aec8096

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Not a bad start and should work yeah, I have some preferences but its probably better for you to get to laddering with it

[sand minnow]

what are they i would like to look at them

[wild sinew]

Rocky Helmet INDD
Tera Water Amoonguss
Life orb Armarouge with Tera Fighting Aura Sphere over Tera Grass Energy Ball
Psychic Seed Iron Hands and replacing Heavy Slam/Volt Switch with Swords Dance, Max SpD >>> Max Hp
Replacing Kingambit with a fairy type like Hatterene, Flutter Mane or Sylveon to better handle dark types preventing you from using expanding force over the place

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/15df29a2b6721d0e
been using this team but have been running into trouble with bulky heatran teams, anything I can switch/replace to give me a an easier time against those?

[wild sinew]

Main issue that you're reliant on a InDD-Hatt or Lilikoal lead so if they lead Heatran it's very hard to play for you and you can't bring the other two mons in without losing a Mon first.

I think I'd suggest Tera Blast over Protect on Hatt and Replacing either Glast or Hands with Lando-T, both of them are similar in they can pull off a Swords Dance or Bulky Assualt Vest idea.

[mint pilot]

would it be better to use ursaluna over your suggested lando-t to be more helpful when TR is up or is lando just better for my scenario

[wild sinew]

Lando generally acts as an Anti Heatran pokemon hitting it before and after it Teras, also hitting their Grass type and Urshifu partner on the balance stuff. I'm not sure Ursa ohkos Tera Grass with Facade so I'll check that now, but Ursa is a bit less versatile in how you can lead.

Depends how comfortable you are

252+ Atk Guts Ursaluna Facade (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tera-Grass Heatran: 196-232 (98.9 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

[mint pilot]

would the addition of lando also help my problem of being reliant on lilikoal or indd/hatt? Im trying to get a more versatile team where multiple leads could work

[opaque crag]

New to vgc any advice

https://pokepast.es/89999ff31af7e017

[wild sinew]

Yeah, Assualt Vest Iron Hands let's you have a fake out lead instead of InDD and Lando threatens a lot that might want to k.o your setters

[mint pilot]

thanks, also do you know a good set for lando-t?

[wild sinew]

Scarf 244/252 with 4 bulk everywhere should be fine

But you can run an Assualt Vest or SD set too

[drifting onyx]

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[sharp aurora]

Heya mates! This is a team for VCG 2023 Regulation D and wanted to ask, what ya mates think? I know this team isn’t the best so what are some improvements I could do or what Pokémon should I change? (Please ignore Scream Tail)
https://pokepast.es/83ef7bde40887336

[spiral shale]

pao shifu is pretty good into this team, i think an urshifu rapid would be pretty good here

[rotund crown]

@wild sinew this team is absolutely insane thanks for the help the other day

25-1 so far

[wild sinew]

nice, happy to hear

[spiral shale]

i think you should make your flutter tera water

[wild sinew]

Tera Fairy > Flying, keeps sacred sword resist but you're only weak to Poison and steel, very rare offensive types. An immunity to Dnite outrage and the neutral typing is also good in general
Tera Ghost Grimmsnarl to dodge fake out
Scream Tail just makes this team really passive, only one pokemon to output instant pressure and the other 2 needing to get going. Iron Hands here can still support with fake out but also output damage itself, or you could go all in with Chi Yu letting you go for a fast mode with Flutter Mane or Landorus
Tera Blast Flying/Water/Fairy > Sandsear Storm, outside of rain it's just not worth it. I'd also suggest Nasty Plot over sludge bomb here
Bulkier Flutter Mane is always ideal, 100/0/156/116/4/132 Timid is good for Specs. You also want Tera Water as Urshifu is scary for screens

[gaunt oar]

https://pokepast.es/f8252960e3ace5ff first time building around goodra ;-;

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

thank you a lot, your advice also helped me a lot, now i am better at using protect, at making hard reads...

[wild sinew]

Happy to hear

[sand minnow]

and was even able to fix some older teams, all what was missing was protect

i learned this because now i use it to avoid flinching with iron hands...

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/3df3a8cdd836fefb made a balance core, but i dont know who to use for my last 2 slots & I would also appreciate some help with evs

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

i would suggest you have a light clay grimmsnarle

your team is bulkey and it would benefit them a lot

light screen reflect thunder wave spirit break

than use urshifu cause u cannot go wrong with it

[golden patrol]

hey all! looking for a heatran team, maybe using sneasler?

anyone got cool core ideas for that?

[sharp aurora]

Heya mates! Finished making my VCG 2023 Regulation D Team! What ya mates think? Any improvements I could do? (Also really need help with mach up strategies and how to use the team. Please DM if you can help me)

https://pokepast.es/2e69ea4556feea26

[sand minnow]

i think also hypnosis works here https://pokepast.es/6a695103bc6bf83b

[drifting onyx]

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[sand minnow]

i think i got it

https://pokepast.es/95bdf23fa3c40748

iron valiant

[wild sinew]

Urshifu Urshifu and Specs Flutter work well here
Highly suggest berry, helmet, herb or goggles on Cresselia
I'd suggest dropping Earth Power on Heatran actually, you already have ground coverage in both Rilla and Ursa, Flash Cannon and Tera Grass Tera Blast are neat options here

As for EVs
Heatran: 204/0/36/236/4/28 Modest or 196/0/36/236/12/28 depending on if you prefer substitute or lefties/Grassy Terrain optimisation
Rillaboom: 204/116/100/0/76/12 or 204/36/100/0/76/92 Adamant depending on how comfortable you are with attack vs speed (you could always go in between with smth like 76 Atk and 52 Spe)
Cress can be like 228/0/188/12/76/4 Calm
Ursa works fine with: 140/156/84/0/116/12. Or dump the speed onto SpD if you don't want it

[mint pilot]

What item should I put on urshifu? And what ev spread for shifu and flutter? And would it be better to drop earth power for flash cannon or tera blast?

and i'm assuming water shifu

[wild sinew]

Yeah water Urshifu can have Mystic Water, Safety Goggles, Life Orb or a Choice item and work fine here, Hence I didn't specify
Urshifu can go 44/236/4/0/4/220 or 44/156/4/4/92/212 Adamant
Flutter you can use 100/0/156/108/4/140 Timid
Both Tera Blast and Flash Cannon are good, depends on preference if anything

[wild sinew]

Move and Tera choices are fine, Grimmsnarl should be Ghost
Not a big fan of scream tail here but if you want to use it I'd suggest Nasty Plot Lando I/G Moltress over Scarf Lando
I can dm you ev spreads and how the team is supposed to generally be used

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/f48ae89415a7d935 made changes to the team, however I feel like the team is lacking in the TR mode, should I change something to another trick room attacker or am I overthinking things?

[wild sinew]

This is perfectly fine

[mint pilot]

thanks

[sharp plover]

https://pokepast.es/26f1036bb911b88d
i tried making a vgc team
I don't know much about the metagame/team comp so i would like some advice

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Solid team comp.
I'd propose 44 hp for Urshifu and a lot more speed for this set, the bulkier ones usually drop attack and have support to go for a Swords Dance set.
I do also think Thundurus does not fit here, Chien Pao would be a natural partner for Dragonite while supporting Urshifu/Basculegion. But Tornadus as your only special attacker may be something you're uncomfortable with, if so I'd suggest Flutter Mane or Thundurus-T.

[sharp plover]

what kind of EV spread would you reccomend for a booster energy flutter mane?

[wild sinew]

Something along the lines of 68/0/116/116/4/204 is probably ideal, you could go a Bulky set with 188/0/132/60/4/116 Modest though

[sharp plover]

thanks

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/a51f1f0d9697260c

Any help for improvement would be very appreciated, I feel like I need more damage but idk if Urshifu or mane maybe

[stray canopy]

for starters, for more damage replace gyrados, maybe try replacing him with gholdengo or iron bundle

goes well with landorus, chi-yu and funky James and dr eggman

[wild sinew]

I'm not a fan of Gyara or Lando here tbh. A set up duo like Hoodra-Goltress who cover each other's weaknesses is ideal.
On the rest of the team though, I suggest a bit more physical bulk on Rillaboom and attack if affordable, what is the special bulk for?
Tera Water Tera Blast on Chi here imo, Specs already allows ridiculous damage
Tera Ghost Grimmsnarl
Probably substitute Heatran here, Tera bug is interesting

[golden patrol]

hey thanks! I just picked some ev spreads from pikalitics lol - idk what they're for, but rilla just bulks a ton haha

i can try the hoodra goltres, never tried that!

also i'm just running the older chi yu build tbh, didn't think about going tera water

[wild sinew]

Ah-
116 Atk and 76~ Def is what I recommend then

Chi Yu likes Tera Water here to resist Surging Strikes, but also giving you water coverage. Better on a screens team which makes it bulkier

[golden patrol]

lol i sometimes press buttons idek arre on discors

discord*

[golden patrol]

got you! what's the def for?

[golden patrol]

will swap it!

[wild sinew]

Chien Pao Ice Spinner

Good luck with the changes

[golden patrol]

ahh got you, right there is alway damn paonite

ant good ev spread for hoodra and moltres?

i'd just go tera fire shell armor hoodra

lmk if you have better teras!

[wild sinew]

Tera Fairy is my recommendation
252 hp / 252 Def Careful with Heavy Slam Body Press Shelter Protect/Life Dew is the standard set

[golden patrol]

Thanks a lot as always !

[wild sinew]

You're welcome

Tera Poison Goltress with Fiery Wrath/Air Slash/Nasty Plot/Protect looks good too

[golden patrol]

❤️

[golden patrol]

snarl specs chi yu dealt 68% to farigiraf lol.

[mint pilot]

whats the best rillaboom tera type? I have been running fire but im thinking water would be better since I have coverage for both of waters weaknesses + I resist surging strikes

[honest burrow]

I'm new to this format so take my words as a question than an answer, wouldn't that best be determined by the kind of team you have and what mons are on it?

[mint pilot]

your tera type can definetly change best suited to your team, but most mon have tera types that most people use as its best suited for that mon, such as tera fairy flutter mane or tera grass heatran

atleast from what ive seen

im just skeptical about using tera fire rillaboom as it makes me weak to the second most common mon in the format

[honest burrow]

do u have other answer?

if so, than bring it for the matchup

if it's that simple ig

[wild sinew]

Both Fire and Water are good and it'll depend on preference and team structure.
Fire wins the mirror and gives you a resist to Flutter Mane, other water, rock and ground types you'd usually be able to smack with wood hammer.
Tera Water is a lot more neutral as a typing, it doesn't give you that many valuable resistances outside of Surging Strikes however it's very hard to hit super effectively. You just take a chunk from Moonblast, lose the Rillaboom mirror and to Iron Hands, but you don't lose to Urshifu (Post Tera) and Lando T.

It depends which things you can afford to lose to with the other 5 members of your team

[little apex]

https://pokepast.es/a68a8676e6fddb76

[drifting onyx]

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[little apex]

can someone help me out checking the viability? wanted to debut uxie and try it

[wild sinew]

Tera Fairy is better on Uxie, Sleep talk is unnecessary and can be Protect, Foul play can be like Dgleam or TR.
Ursaluna should be a defensive Tera like Ghost, Water or Grass to better help the Urshifu matchup.
I'd suggest Aura Sphere over Protect and Trick Room over Protect on Arma and Indd, they're the two pokemon who really don't need it. I believe it's a likely ohko on Heatran with helping hand, Mon who otherwise walls the lead.
I'm a fan of D Gleam over Psyshock just to clean up Sash mons, especially Chien Pao.
Abomasnow and H Goodra don't really have any synergy with the rest of the team, Torkoal-Hisuian Liligant, Glastrier-Sylveon, Iron Bundle/Regieleki-Chi Yu, Chien Pao-Dragonite, Iron Hands-Glastrier etc are all great duos that help the team and act as their own trick room threats

[little apex]

I use sleep talk since there a lot of amogus with spore and torkoal with yawn, it got me clutch. But i think i can put dr kiss on uxie since mystical power. As for arma and deedee, should i go for offense arma and support deedee? Lastly for obama and goodra i switch them to dragonite and something else? I don’t like to use overrated mons (chien-pao)

[wild sinew]

Being able to protect is valuable infront of them and other things, the one Thing that Ignores your protect takes rocky helmet damage which is nice. Even at like +3 Uxie isn't doing a lot of damage and it does not mind being asleep, Protect even synergise with yawn and gives you a lot more flexibility. Dgleam is generally better than draining kiss, in an archetype like trick room where you have a 4 turn timer you don't really want to last long and be annoying, moreso overwhelm your opponent with damage
Yes, you should, hence Aura Sphere
Wdym? Like you don't want to use popular pokemon?

[little apex]

I have a favorites roster of sorts, is more personal to use pokemon i really like

[little apex]

🤔

[wooden shard]

@wild sinew uwu
https://pokepast.es/f92866b25c1bebfd

[wild sinew]

Ah I see
Which pokemon do you like from the following

Torkoal, Liligant, Glastrier, Iron Hands, Eleki, Iron Bundle, Urshifu, Flutter Mane, Chi Yu and Sylveon

[wooden shard]

This is suppose to be a perish song team that can also act as a offense team

[wild sinew]

I've seen smth similar I think

[little apex]

Torkoal

[wild sinew]

Only?

[little apex]

Yea😅

[wild sinew]

Ah damn

[little apex]

My roster is like 169

If there’s no other option in order to be viable then no prob ig

[wild sinew]

Outside of it the mons are just very hard to use

[wooden shard]

@wild sinew rate my team<:((((

[wild sinew]

I am typingggg

[wooden shard]

Uhh made some changes
Cc over u turn and rain dance over protect on torn and made it sash:3

[little apex]

I’ll lyk on what i do on my team

[wild sinew]

Psychic > Zen missbutt on Goth. 95 SpA vs 55 Atk and 90 BP vs 80 BP with a secondary effect you'll never get meow
Scream Tail should be Speed Booster, hazards don't exist which makes vgc so good :3. Disable > Encore on this type of team, you want to protect and then durable your opp's strong moves to stall out the game. Encore/Thunder Wave over play rough if you're brave. Though if you do that you probably want Tera Dark, prankster taunt just makes you sad.
You can either make Flutter a Tatsu and make Urshifu the dark one or replace Dozo with like Chien Pao.
If you keep Flutter Mane it Bulky Specs (100/0/156/108/4/140 Timid is the sauce :3) with Dazzling Gleam over Perish Song.
If you keep Urshi replace Trailblaze with Aqua Jet, correct on CC over U Turn, Detect > Protect although its less important.
Chien Pao would be the Sash mon (Sash Torn sucks :<) with 12/4/4 bulk. You can do whatever you want with it basically but standard set is Tera Ghost Ice Spinner, Sucker Punch, Sacred sword and Protect.
If you replace Flutter and Urshi though, make Tatsu Scarf with Draco/Muddy Water/Icy Wind/Tera Steel Tera Blast or make it Sash with Protect in the last slot
Urshi SS likes Tera Dark/Poison Band with Wicked Blow/Sucker Punch/CC/U Turn or Poison Jab. Or if Sash isn't taken you go Tera Dark and have detect in last slot
When keeping Dozo, Protect > Rest usually because you luv being annoying to kill and lefties.
Tera Ghost/Steel/Dark over Ground, our electric types suck rn except for Iron Hands. Keep Cloak or Sky plate over Sash pwease. Rain Dance was the right choice yes. Protect or Icy Wind over taunt if anything

[wild sinew]

Alrightt

[wooden shard]

Uwu

[wild sinew]

uwu

[sand minnow]

can someone rate my team?

i made it a bit ago

Amoonguss @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Effect Spore
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 72 HP / 92 Def / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rest
• Sleep Talk
• Synthesis

Scizor @ Expert Belt
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 108 SpA / 76 SpD
Jolly Nature

• Bullet Punch
• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Protect

Dragonite @ Assault Vest
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 88 HP / 208 Atk / 36 Def / 96 SpD / 80 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Body Slam
• Dragon Claw
• Thunder Wave

Gardevoir @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Telepathy
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 184 HP / 84 Def / 40 SpA / 108 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Light Screen
• Will-O-Wisp
• Reflect

Murkrow @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 160 HP / 148 Def / 72 SpD / 128 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Foul Play
• Haze
• Protect

Landorus-Therian @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 112 HP / 144 Atk / 56 Def / 108 SpD / 88 Spe
Naughty Nature

• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• Body Slam
• Stomping Tantrum

[little apex]

@wild sinew https://pokepast.es/eadfd3a4962d0daf

changed helmet to leftovers

[little apex]

i also like urshifu, i haven't seen yet

[wild sinew]

Yeah you can get away with Urshifu Rapid over Dragonite over here
Mystic Water should be fine

[little apex]

what about dark shifu?

[wild sinew]

You could use it over iron hands and have Torkoal over Dragonite

[golden patrol]

hi all! hope you're doing. great

got out of work and now i'll chill a bit here 😄

[golden patrol]

leo i tried the hoodra but i gotta understand how to prevent taunts - would smth like covert cloak work?

i get that lefties is kinda mandatory for hoodra

but like if i don't setup it won't do its job lol

my bad, not covert cloak but smth like mental herb

or maybe dark tera but it sounds cringe

or maybe i'm just missing a counter to prankter taunt with the team, idk

[golden patrol]

in any case, just don't join the paonite crew, be a lillikoaler❤️

paonite is the dark web of pokemon for me lol

[wild sinew]

You just have to put it in the back and kill its counters before you bring it out, like it obviously loses to Taunt and can't touch Gholdengo/Basculegion, so you want to remove those from the field and position for a Hoodra endgame
It's a great pokemon to learn endgames in general, think about what you have in the back and imagine a favourable endgame

[mint pilot]

quick question, is eleki or drago the more viable regi in VGC right now? i would love to build a team around one of them but I dont know which one

[wild sinew]

I'd say Drago is the easier one to use rn

As a Mon to build around

And it's got multiple results so you can use those as a basis

[mint pilot]

is regieleki still a good support mon? since it has double drago’s usage on pikalytics

[wild sinew]

Yes, it's just harder to play because of Cloak Tornadus usually being better speed control
It's definitely solid though

[winter gulch]

transistor nerf doesn't help Eleki and its kinda frail / doesn't hit hard enough

[wild sinew]

Eleki's best bet is like being paired with your own Torn + Chi

And going an item like Lorb or Specs

[winter gulch]

Specs Eleki is my fav

its still doing a lot of damage but its Eweb/Volt Switch spam feels less impressive now

[sand minnow]

can someone rate my team please

Amoonguss @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Effect Spore
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 72 HP / 92 Def / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Spore
• Rest
• Sleep Talk
• Synthesis

Scizor @ Expert Belt
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 108 SpA / 76 SpD
Jolly Nature

• Bullet Punch
• U-turn
• Close Combat
• Protect

Dragonite @ Assault Vest
Ability: Inner Focus
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 88 HP / 208 Atk / 36 Def / 96 SpD / 80 Spe
Jolly Nature

• Extreme Speed
• Body Slam
• Dragon Claw
• Thunder Wave

Gardevoir @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Telepathy
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 184 HP / 84 Def / 40 SpA / 108 SpD / 92 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Moonblast
• Light Screen
• Will-O-Wisp
• Reflect

Murkrow @ Eviolite
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 160 HP / 148 Def / 72 SpD / 128 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Foul Play
• Haze
• Protect

Landorus-Therian @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 112 HP / 144 Atk / 56 Def / 108 SpD / 88 Spe
Naughty Nature

• Earthquake
• Rock Slide
• Body Slam
• Stomping Tantrum

@winter gulch

[hollow fable]

Dragonite can't use thunder wave if av

[sand minnow]

yea, i noticed that a while ago, so I'll change it in a bit

should i give amoongus an attackin move?

attacking*

[hollow fable]

imo amoonguss isnt worth investing evs into speed

[wild sinew]

A pokepaste would be easier to rate so keep that in mind next time
And make sure your stats are divisible by 4 but not 8 to make sure you aren't wasting EVs. 88/8 = 11 (Wasting EVs), 84 / 8 = 10.5 (not wasting EVs)

[sand minnow]

rq, how do i use the pokepaste?

[wild sinew]

!pokepaste

[drifting onyx]

PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!

To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1127497594126479460/pokepasteps.png

You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1127497593610584074/pokepastelink.png

[hollow fable]

Amoonguss is more support

also safety goggles is useless

as it's a grass type

go spore, rage powder, pollen puff, and I use clear smog here but whatever you want

[sand minnow]

i have them just so that amoonguss can stick around longer with things such as hail and sandstorm

[wild sinew]

Hail doesn't exist anymore, it's become snow which loses the chip damage
Sand is not meta at all and you'll get more value out of other items

[sand minnow]

im kinda new to competitive so all i do is watch 'WolfeGlick' from time to time

[wild sinew]

Mhm, I'm just trying to help
I'd suggest using a pre existing team instead to get a better feel for the meta and competitive in general

[sand minnow]

yeah, ok. 1 question. how many water absorb pokemon that can learn absorb exist?

[wild sinew]

Cacturne is the only one in the game I believe
Why?

[sand minnow]

my idea was water absorb, surf both pokemon

i saw jaiden animations do it

but idk if gastrodon is legal

[wild sinew]

Why learn Absorb?

[sand minnow]

and vaporeon

[wild sinew]

But both of those are legal yes

[sand minnow]

oh ok

[wild sinew]

I wouldn't recommend but if it's fun for you, go ahead

[sand minnow]

yea ok

thanks

[golden patrol]

Oh that’s very helpful, thanks for saying - I just started thinking about lead and endgame scenarios, I’ve been playing for just a year and I still gotta make natural the thinking about various abilities a mon can have, items and so on

[golden patrol]

🤯

[golden patrol]

Should you maybe try smth like a weakness policy mon maybe ?

I’m noob just like you and I see your willing to have fun with weird strats

I’m definitely gonna try a surf chi yu weakness policy thing btw 😂👉🏼

[sand minnow]

imma think of efficient strategies, but anhialape is banned

[winter gulch]

annihilape isn't banned since its VGC

[sand minnow]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

ok, thanks

[honest burrow]

thinking about something with wo chien + glimora, but not sure if it'll be any good

[gentle lagoon]

hiii hello i haven't done vgc in scvi yet but i was looking to get into it

i wanted to do a team with chi-yu but i can't decide who to pair with it

[wild sinew]

You can look at pre existing Chi Yu teams probably

[gentle lagoon]

i found one that was chi-yu, flutter mane, iron hands, tornadus, amoongus, urshifu (i think?)

would this be any good

also sorry i don't remember the specific sets

[wild sinew]

Those are a fine 6. Give me a minute I'll send you a few Chi Yu teams that have made it far in tournaments

[gentle lagoon]

oh ty!!

[grand umbra]

Baldcraft

[honest burrow]

anyone?

[ruby acorn]

https://pokepast.es/9b4bc618ec2ab08f

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[gaunt oar]

https://pokepast.es/fc5ce5dc0550ebc2 Trying eleki out, thoughts?

[fathom token]

hi, I'm new 😄

I recently built a team for doubles with a contrary lurantis, but I feel that it doesn't work

can you guys give me some advice with it??
I'll leave the team here:

https://pokepast.es/b46d8d54ebdcc5e9

[drifting onyx]

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[olive pike]

Looking for any and all ways to improve this team!

[olive pike]

I’m no expert but I would run trick on specs dengo!

[fathom token]

hmm...

makes sense

sure!

[grand umbra]

Please use pokepast

[olive pike]

https://pokepast.es/09acccd9e16c1d9c

[sharp aurora]

Would anybody that is an expert in VCG competitive team building help me? I made my own team a week ago but it wasn’t very effective, I kinda only used all the Pokémon everyone uses now a days and it seems that’s not good at all for a strategy when you don’t know how to build them correctly. Anyway if you are able to help me please DM me! Thank ya mates!

[fathom token]

okay, I updated it a bit so I'm gonna share the new version:
https://pokepast.es/9bb55cc83a985325
I haven't changed a lot, but I think it'll make a difference

any other advice?

[grand umbra]

Honestly, Lurantis is underwhelming, making it a bit unreliable.

Common pokemon, like pao, Heatran, Volcanon, Bundle and more can take it put with no issues with proper support.

[wild sinew]

Give Gothitelle Sitrus and replace Flutter Mane with a Scream Tail, that would generally work best for perish
Cyclisar is just bad and doesn't fill a niche here. Bringing back an offensive bulkier Flutter Mane or Urshifu-SS work better here.
Clear Amulet isn't worth it, Lefties or Life Orb are better. You need Protect there and 2 fire moves are unnecessary, Tera Blast/Flash Cannon over one of them and protect over Wisp would be my recommendations
Make the Tornadus bulkier. Icy Wind/Taunt > Heat Wave
Ting Lu has too much anti synergy with the team on top of being an eh pokemon this format. You'd want something like Amoonguss or Lando (?) there

[wild sinew]

Tera Water Flutter Mane is better here, it also let's you drop down bulk because i believe that's calced to live non Mystic Water Surging Strikes?
I'd suggest Amoonguss over Rillaboom to better support the frail Eleki and open up opportunities for Ghold
Eleki wants Protect over Volt Switch/Tera Blast and would appreciate a damage boosting item. Specs it you want to keep both of those moves

[wild sinew]

I can try making a lurantis team for you if that's okay

[mint pilot]

https://pokepast.es/6f2d43bf756f3aec wanted to make a team around hoodra, any tips/changes? (would also apprieciate help with last slot and evs)

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

I don't believe we rate uncompleted teams. You'll be able to find help in a channel like comp gen with that and then we will be able to rate it

[mint pilot]

weird, since you helped me select 2 mon i was missing on a team I was using before

[gaunt oar]

I'll try tera water but ngl I'm really bad with it -_-

Only thing with amoonguss is that I was thinking I add stomping tantrum to rilla to be able to deal with tran better, but not sure

For eleki, Ill try to fit protect in there, also would you recommend a spread other than max/max on it?

[wild sinew]

If it was in here, sorry, that would be my fault. I'm relatively new here

[wild sinew]

You just Tera infront of Urshi tbh
You have rain you kind of destroy Heatran, doubt they'd even bring it.

I'll find my Eleki spread in a bit, busy rn

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/289829f927095e80

Updated overqwil team

[mint pilot]

would you be able to help me with/ make a team for hisuian goodra? I wanna use it but i dont really know which mon I can fill up the rest of the team with

[wild sinew]

I can do it later sure

[mint pilot]

thanks

[gaunt oar]

fair, it's just that having urshi as my main tran check feels a tad sketch but I think ill get used to it

[fathom token]

if u want u can, but there's a bigger chance I take it as inspiration to my team that using it, cuz I have already adapted to mine (it was kinda hard) and adapting to yet a new team wouldn't be just too much

[ember fractal]

https://pokepast.es/e96575eaa8b969a2 thoughts?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/3883e11a24f6a248

Any thoughts on this team? Its for VGC

I feel like replacing tornadus with torkoal but idk

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/887442f2aa8ae822

fresh from kitchen

[wooden shard]

@wild sinew hope ur free to rate^

[wild sinew]

I recently woke up so tired :<
I'll do them soon though

[wild sinew]

https://pokepast.es/71c4147193551f96

[mint pilot]

thank you, will try the team out later and see how it goes

[winter gulch]

Sneasler without Protect and with SD feels a bit too slow for how frail it is, I would try Protect or Fake Out
Sash Eleki feels a bit mid this series bc it needs to deal more damage, I would personally try Magnet
Team looks like it struggles with AV Lando a bit, nothing really hits it super effectively
in VGC you can only invest in 3 or 5 stats without wasting EVs

I think Torn > Eleki might be nice

[mint pilot]

would it make any difference if torn was covert cloak and tera dark?

[winter gulch]

This team is quite solid, I would go a more physically defensive Torn with Mental Herb or Covert Cloak to help you get TW up more consistently

its really similar to Zishuo's team from Portland Regionals in Reg C

[wild sinew]

Not a big one
Only difference is taking an espeed

[wild sinew]

If I try and keep the same idea from before it'll prob look like this
https://pokepast.es/afcff3438ed693b1

[wild sinew]

Yeah mainly what Eeveeon said
a way you know if you are wasting EVs or not is if they are divisible by 8. They should be divisible by 4 but not by 8 to confirm you aren't wasting any.
Damage boosting item is ideal. You could try switching to Torn, fitting in sunny day and giving Flutter another item but Lando can sit there and do a lot of damage, ohkoing 4/5 of the rest of your team. I'd say try that and Lorb/Magnet Eleki to see which one you're more comfortable piloting
Protect over SD/Acro, otherwise snrasler is cornered a lot. Not a big fan of fake out when you have Rilla
Heatran really wants Protect, especially the substitute ones. Or you could drop sub for Protect if you want those 3 attacks. Just gets a lot of value out of it, helps you preserve the amazing typing while your partner gets rid of the threat for example.

[mint pilot]

quick question, which leads should I use? do i just go hoodra grimmsnarl

[wild sinew]

Hoodra should usually be in the back as clean up after you get rid of its counters like Ghold, Taunt/Encore etc
TornShifu and RillaGrimm will be your main leads but you can lead other mons if you see it

[ember fractal]

Thanks a lot!

[wild sinew]

The comp itself is very strong and works great. main thing you'll probably need to do are EVs. Maybe take a look at Tera Grass Glimm, Tera Steel Tatsu, and Tera Dark/Steel Torn. Though your current teras do make sense and would work fine. Not much to say other than possibly Air Slash vs Bleakwind? You have a lot of spread already and you generally want to hit one target (I.e, opposing Urshifu or Tera Grass Heatran ans don care about the mon next to it nearly as much)

[uncut harness]

Ok thx

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/887442f2aa8ae822 thoughts? I know I need teras and to fix spreads but not sure how

[drifting onyx]

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[winter gulch]

This team just doesn't feel "it", its too weak against Heatran and Flutter Mane, two really common mons in this metagame. I think Snow as an idea isn't the worst thing in the world, but Articuno isn't really the way to do it imo, and Glastrier needs CC > Heavy Slam
Heatran almost always likes Tera Grass unless you have reasons for running Bug or Flying
Arguably wrong item on Abomasnow and Glastrier, probably wanting Light Clay and Clear Amulet?

[honest burrow]

who should I use instead of articuno?

[winter gulch]

I think if you want to use a gimmick like Snow your team needs to be more focused around a central gimmick rather than spread all over. I'm not quite seeing the Trick Room or the synergy around Snow.
If I were to give a single Pokemon fix it would maybe be AV Landorus?

which would push Iron hands to Goggles SD

[honest burrow]

Then should I just scrap it?

or do you want me to explain reasons why I chose the mons?

[winter gulch]

That would help a bit

[honest burrow]

so abomasnow is a chonky (stats) grimmsnarl that sets snow instead of having priority support who because of typing can't be spored.
Glastrier is a low speed, high physical ice type attacher who can take advantage of both tr and snow, has heavy slam for Flutter OHKO
Articuno with tailwind and powder increases the odds your opponent's miss when they try to hit it during snow and provides a backup HO snow plan if you are in a bad MU for TR and is also our sweeper outside TR.
Hands is not only a pivot which helps with snow, but also covers some weaknesses of ice types, also fake out is a very good
Cresselia is our main TR setter in the team since it's the best in the format rn for that purpose
Heatran is there as backup plan to deal with flutter and covers the team's glaring fire weakness

see?

@winter gulch lemme know if you're reading/thonking?

It's 3 in mornin for me, I'm gonna try to get some sleep and check back in a bit

[honest burrow]

If anyone else wants to see here's the first version of trick-snow team

[outer mulch]

i WANT to get good at VGC but im not really good at teams, can someone give me tips for this team

https://pokepast.es/fd3931de4842f847

[drifting onyx]

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[outer mulch]

i tried to make the defensive coverage as good as possible so the offense isnt ideal

[spiral shale]

ok so none of these mons are good except amoonguss and maybe bronzong

[uncut harness]

https://pokepast.es/7c238de7d91d0617
So this is an update to before @winter gulch

Same team with some changes

I dont think I am good with it yet and I tried doing my own ev spreads idk if they are good anyways

[wild sinew]

One thing you want to keep in mind is the EVs should be divisible by 4 and not by 8. So they must be in an odd number of stats (I.e Hp, attack, speed, not Hp, atk, Def, spd)

Pikalytics is decent for spreads
But you could also just wiggle the Showdown bars and then edit them once you miss out on a kill or die to something

[uncut harness]

What does that mean divisible by 4, or any number?! @wild sinew

[wild sinew]

4, 12, 20, 28, 36, 44 etc are all capable of being divided by 4, but you can't divide them by 8. These are how you know you aren't wasting EVs

[uncut harness]

Okk so cant I just take a number and divide it by 4?

[wild sinew]

Yeah

And then make sure it can't be divided by 8

I.e
198/4 = 49.5
48/4 = 12, 48/8 = 6
Both are wasting EVs

[uncut harness]

sooo

I need to give it evs thats divisible by 4 and not 8?

is it like that for all pokemon?

And also how is the team @wild sinew and tips?

[wild sinew]

yes

will give my thoughts in a sec, doing something rn

[uncut harness]

Okk thanks

I might need to battle someone with it bc I feel like I am no good using that team or not using the pokemon correctly lmao

[outer mulch]

what do you think of this team? any counters that i didnt think about?
https://pokepast.es/62983862583cf342

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Its a really solid 6 though, Ive seen it a lot in 17/1800s if thats anything.
Consider going speed booster icy wind flutter to help Chi delete faster things, lets you go a bulkier spread too. You have Tera Fairy anyway. You could even just go timid pixie plate if you really want damage
Tera Ghost Chi is in general better for Espeed and Fake out which might really pull you behind
Consider Air Slash Torn because of how stupid Bleakwind is, but its still a good enough move if you dont mind missing
Dozo set is great, Teea Blast Flying helps vs Urshi and Amoonguss
Tatsu too, just maybe Tera Steel and try Tera Blast over Chilling Water
Amoonguss is pretty solid but it also might not fit the best, try Urshifu-SS over it on a copy pf the team and tell me which mon youre more comfortable with

[wild sinew]

I believe youre new to vgc? Id suggest trying a pre existing team to get a feel for the meta
If stubborn though try and use a bit more reasonable mons (Arc H and Amoon are the only good ones, rest being meh and Jugulis being almost unusable), Make sure you have a few protects, the single most important move in the game. Keep in mind hazards are non ezistent so HDB is uneccessary. but also you have to understand speed control is a rally big part of doubles in general

[outer mulch]

yes im new, i will try to use your tips to the full extent and see how it goes, thanks a lot!

Oh, im having trouble finding a team that i understand, can someone send me a team thats good for beginners

[wild sinew]

These should still work fine
https://pokepast.es/520b0fb02c0b4f9d
https://pokepast.es/61bf29d4c84cb3f9

[outer mulch]

ok, thanks a lot

question, for team 1, why are you running flame orb ursaluna instead of toxic orb, doesnt that weaken ursalunas damage?

[lost phoenix]

Guts negates burn drops

[outer mulch]

ok, didnt know that

[outer mulch]

if you can, may you explain how those teams work, i tried both but cant win any battles

[sacred current]

https://pokepast.es/0454138afae687e8
Idk, this came to mind a while ago. That's really built around the sheer damage of regidrago, and band eleki feels really pleasant to play. Indeedee's here to protect from any tailwind/priority set, and scizor is here for flutter mane. The tornshifu's a bit scary too, and idk if I wanna put tw on scizor since hh is really helpful.
Also idrk about the EVs so suggestions on this are the most helpful.

Tbh this works quite well but i'm in 1200 elo so idk how that'll work with ots too.

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/95f41f6e9ce0ab01 i have a similar build to this that has more integrity and has an easier time vs shifu and and flutter

[sacred current]

Ig the only problem is really flutter since shifu can get ohko'd by a good wild charge, but replacing scizor by chi-yu or aguss seems like a good idea yeah

[fathom token]

woah, I rlly like it :DDD

I like that follow me maushold a lot

I wonder if indeedee also works at that place

[fathom token]

I'm a bit curious about the choice band tho, I think it has enough dmg to rlly need it
I personally prefer assault vest, it has been crucial throughout the big majority of matches I've been with Lurantis

[fathom token]

it does :DDD
indeedee learns charm, and it can also help me a lot with trick room

honestly, I've never used mental herb, I wonder how it'll work with mimikyu

[outer mulch]

i wanted to improve my team that i made myself and wonder if this is good or not, every pokemon (exept amoonguss) can hit every type for atleast neutral damage

https://pokepast.es/19ab8ab017618de6

[fathom token]

k, this is how the team looks like after taking inspiration of yours:
https://pokepast.es/299d0c73ac3ecf74

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon, @wild sinew. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wild sinew]

First one you just set up Tailwind and then outspeed everything, you can also set up rain to make Urshifu stronger and Bleakwind 100% acc. The Chien Pao-Dragonite is another layer of speed control with priority spam.Spore something when you think you need to and you can redirect away otherwise fatal hit
The second one you ask yourself if you can set up Trick Room, whether with redirection from Amoonguss or Fake Out from Iron Hands, if not, what's stopping you from setting up trick room and how can you get rid of it. Spore something when you think you need to and you can redirect away otherwise fatal hit. Heatran-Amoonguss-Urshifu will let you switch a lot easier and makes not bringing Cress-Luna not that bad of an idea in the right matchup

[wild sinew]

• You can Try AV, Choice Band just gets some really good kills and makes Lurantis worth it even without the charm boost
• Psychic Seed/Safety Goggles/Rocky Helmet/Iron Ball to charm Lutantis first are it's better items. Also don't use fake out, Psychic terrain blocks your own priority. A better move there is Dazziling Gleam/Psychic. You can get away with Max hp Max Def Bold tbh
• Mimikyu still wants trick room over drain punch, indd alone isn't reliable. Being able to click follow me + Trick room is just super strong when you have things like Lutantis and Ursaluna in the back.
• For future reference, EVs should be divisible by 4 but not by 8 to make sure you aren't wasting EVs

[unique lynx]

I’m newer to VGC and was thinking about how well Tera Electric Dragapult does against Tera Flying Kingambit and wanted to check it because I am seeing it a lot. The Tera Electric also stops it from being checked by a lot of Pokemon too. I’m just trying to understand how you all think about this though.
https://pokepast.es/648bb80752c28494

[drifting onyx]

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[wild sinew]

Is this meant to be vgc or Doubles ou

[unique lynx]

It could work as either I guess

Did i do something that wasn’t legal in VGC?

[wild sinew]

No, but Kingambit is just not really seen

[unique lynx]

rlly?

[wild sinew]

Yeah
Outclassed by Urshifu-SS in most cases

And then Pao & Chi are big competition as a dark type

[unique lynx]

gotcha

in this team, which would be better?

[wild sinew]

A bit hard to understand the idea behind most things

Garg and Samu are pretty bad afterall

[unique lynx]

what could be a replacement for both?

or at least one

i’m watching day 2 rn and i see so many torn-i and flutter

[wild sinew]

Very strong pokemon

[unique lynx]

your right, urshifu can replace sam

[wild sinew]

I do think going Trick Room and replacing Garg with Chi Yu is your best bet

[unique lynx]

water to be specific

what should i change on armorouge?

is meowscarada still good?

[uncut harness]

Alright I just have amoongus there to put pokemon too sleep but it moves slow

but Ill consider it

[uncut harness]

Do you think Iron hands will be better? I feel like I will struggle against water types

I feel like it might

https://pokepast.es/827cef8ffd96f363

[wild sinew]

It would work fine if you use unaware

[uncut harness]

for donzo?

dondoz*

[wild sinew]

yeah

[uncut harness]

Alright

[sharp plover]

https://pokepast.es/839803a236b7606b

My team pretty much auto-loses to trick room right now, I'm debating on replacing dragonite with ursaluna so at least one mon is functional under it.
Any ideas on how to improve my team so I don't lose to trick room so often?

[drifting onyx]

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