VGC Rates

[winter gulch]

no

[hidden path]

ok

[ornate vale]

tera flying Guillotine Kingambit is both a Ting-Lu counter and alternative

[winter gulch]

imo you're cooking too hard with that

[manic pond]

I’ve seen some guy use this before

Lowkey fire

[cursive mason]

Just run low kick

If they Tera you can prob 1v1 with your own Tera but not certain

SD gambit with ting is fire

[winter gulch]

SD Black Glasses

[manic pond]

😫

[shy flare]

https://pokepast.es/ff0a48239093bd3d

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shy flare]

Volcarona is the Pokémon I want to play

[manic pond]

Seems fairly standard

I just wouldn’t use gholdengo this format

It gets BODIED

And instead of dragon claw I’d personally go for outrage

I also don’t think Ice spinner is necessarily REQUIRED on dragonite anymore bc with all the new dark types trick room is not everywhere anymore

I would consider gyarados arcanine or ting lu for the last slot

[shy flare]

I don't want to be blocked on Outrage

[manic pond]

You have three turns

And you’re basically guaranteed to get one kill

It’s so much stronger next to chien pao

Like nothing takes it except for fairy types obviously

[winter gulch]

Gholdengo is fine this format

Its a bit harder to use but its still a very solid mon

[manic pond]

I can only see bulky tera water lefties working this format

[balmy valley]

please use Dragon Claw, it's so much more consistent

[balmy valley]

also Ice Spinner over Icicle Crash

the accuracy for 5 BP is not worth it

[bold creek]

boom

i hate gholdengo maushold

[neon oar]

hey!

i started competitive pokemon near the end of last gen and want some intel on how i can improve my team!

Nirvana (Flutter Mane) @ Booster Energy Ability: Protosynthesis Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Fairy EVs: 116 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 132 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Shadow Ball - Dazzling Gleam - Icy Wind - Protect

Bubble Guppy (Chi-Yu) @ Choice Scarf Ability: Beads of Ruin Tera Type: Ghost EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe Timid Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Dark Pulse - Heat Wave - Overheat - Psychic

Sabre (Chien-Pao) @ Focus Sash Ability: Sword of Ruin Tera Type: Dark EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Jolly Nature - Sucker Punch - Ice Spinner - Haze - Sacred Sword

Joy (Dragonite) @ Choice Band Ability: Inner Focus Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Normal EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpD / 36 Spe Adamant Nature - Extreme Speed - Earthquake - Fire Punch - Dragon Claw

Magic Shroom (Amoonguss) @ Occa Berry Ability: Regenerator Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Water EVs: 236 HP / 116 Def / 156 SpD Careful Nature IVs: 0 Atk - Clear Smog - Rage Powder - Protect - Spore

Koi (Gyarados) @ Clear Amulet Ability: Intimidate Shiny: Yes Tera Type: Flying EVs: 84 HP / 220 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 196 Spe Jolly Nature - Tera Blast - Waterfall - Dragon Dance - Protect

[novel wraith]

can you post this in a pokepaste instead, site is https://pokepast.es and you should just be able to upload to pokepaste from ps anyway

if not then just manually import it onto the site, upload it, and share the team that way

[neon oar]

i can try!

put it into a paste how do i put it into this chat

[balmy valley]

copy the link

ctrl + v into the chat

or whatever paste is

[winter gulch]

There's a button that lets you import it there

Based on what I see I'd say the team is quite solid though, would probably replace Haze for Protect on Chien Pao, and swap Protect for Rage Powder on Amoonguss.
I would go for a more supportive Gyarados, with Thunder Wave and potentially Taunt over Tera Blast and Dragon Dance
Also I would probably just go Modest on Flutter
Also Snarl > Psychic on Chi Yu
Aerial Ace > Fire Punch Dragonite, Low Kick > Earthquake

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/a8bd4c144befc548

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

Wanna use scream tail for IC cause I like it any way to improve the team?

[shrewd horizon]

Team is solid but has no scream tail?

[bold creek]

Crap my bad

Wrong tean

my actual team is on computer

It has

Scream tail

Kinggambit

Flutter

Dragonite

chien pao

Ting lu

https://pokepast.es/b31b5b7e66871883

my scream tail team

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/caa3d33a272f43a4 :T

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/5e96e50ecea69739 helllp

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic pond]

It’s mostly because fluttermane are eving to live ice spinner

[manic pond]

Calm mind flutter is a cool idea

I would get rid of dragapult or change the set for it to be supportive

To better help the fluttermane get off the CM

[balmy valley]

it doesn't matter lmao

you still win the 1v1

[tough forge]

https://pokepast.es/b07a3ba432c26ca6

It's a little hard for this team to consistently work because the team relies quite heavily on Orthworm (outside of Flutter Mane), but getting that Shed Tail passed to double omni-boosted Dondozo turns it into an even bigger wall that can destroy Ting-Lu, Dragonite, and Amoongus with little effort

Wrong link lmao

I feel like I need to either roll Dondozo/Tatsugiri/Orthworm or Dragonite/Palafin/Orthworm, but not both

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/b31b5b7e66871883

Any improvements???

[sand minnow]

Calm mind is like my go to set for whenever I use flutter mane

And

Dragapult can run supportive?

[spiral shale]

you could just make this a balance with arc over chiyu and bax over pult

either way you you need something for palance

[wheat bone]

You should swap eq on ting-Lu for something else, only one mon doesn’t get hit

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/a448404322690af5

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic pond]

What are you cooking

[bold creek]

well

The core was centred around Wo chine gholdengo and dragonite

It was very good defensive core And I could have continued that route with maushold And goth

But went with Chi yu instead

Its just really good Pokemon

Also all the evs are 107 speed to outspeed everything under tailwind

I am just considering change rotom

The electric water typing is actually really useful but May change it for another water type

[winter gulch]

I don't quite see the synergy in these mons

[bold creek]

I mean

it was working well for me when testing

[hybrid hatch]

first team in quite some time
https://pokepast.es/445c383285e13434

[keen flame]

Hydreigon @ Scope Lens
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 20 Def / 252 SpA / 236 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Protect
• Focus Energy
• Flamethrower
• Draco Meteor

Murkrow @ Focus Sash
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Tailwind
• Haze
• Protect
• Foul Play

Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Make It Rain
• Shadow Ball
• Protect
• Nasty Plot

Iron Moth @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 180 SpA / 116 SpD / 212 Spe
Modest Nature

• Fiery Dance
• U-turn
• Sludge Wave
• Protect

Amoonguss @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 100 HP / 156 Def / 252 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

• Spore
• Rage Powder
• Protect
• Pollen Puff

Iron Hands @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 212 Atk / 44 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Fake Out
• Drain Punch
• Volt Switch
• Detect

[hybrid hatch]

use poke-paste

[heady kiln]

your defensive evs are really inefficient, it's almost always better to max out hp before investing in def + spdef at the same time

also you're really weak to flutter mane

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/52a7b3f4f725b5bb

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

changes?

[hybrid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/c9c1d2336218e595

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hybrid hatch]

im pretty confident in this one

[tawny wave]

https://pokepast.es/501fb470b40ff671

MY 1st team

pls help change

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/4aef68800314b8ce

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[manic pond]

You can’t use recover on a specs mon

And Hydreigon just isn’t very good rn

Bc of flutter

[tawny wave]

Ok

Thx

I changed it

[hybrid hatch]

Personally I'd swap amoongus for brute bonnet with dice and bullet seed over amoongus with rage powder but if the redirection is more your thing go for it
Idk enough about gyrados rest the sets are standard

[manic pond]

I’ll try out brute bonnete

Do you mind sending me the set?

[hybrid hatch]

Brute Bonnet @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 100 Atk / 28 Def / 116 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Bullet Seed
• Spore
• Sucker Punch
• Protect

[manic pond]

whats the 12 speed for?

[hybrid hatch]

you can still run rage powder over protect but id say if you want rage powder amoongu is usually better

[hybrid hatch]

I dont recall this was just the set I was using I pulled from cybertrong

[manic pond]

Brute Bonnet @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 244 HP / 124 Atk / 68 Def / 68 SpD / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Spore
• Bullet Seed
• Sucker Punch
• Rage Powder

i was just using this

[hybrid hatch]

that totally works

[manic pond]

nice

[hybrid hatch]

crunch is also viable sucker punch usually better tho

amoongus is better at taking hit than brute bonnet so if redirection is the main selling point either a bulkier set or stick to amoongus

cause typing and you dont gotta waste your tera

[manic pond]

fair

but it the only thing it doesn't really like taking is a moonblast

so its not the worst option

the only overlapping issue i see

is tera fire to survive moonblast

and they have a palafin

in the back

[hybrid hatch]

That's pretty much it cause both are really common

[balmy valley]

either speed creep or TW

[thick jasper]

https://pokepast.es/acd970b451dde9a8
Built this thing trying to make Brambleghast work, because I think Wind Rider is fun, and trying to figure out the last team slot (and if there's any other changes I should make). Currently I'm bringing Chi-yu for the last one a) to have fire/water/grass coverage altogether and b) so there's something other than just flutter mane for special DPS, but i'm very open to feedback both on suggestions for that slot and for the team overall

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[arctic raptor]

Anybody else here tired of facing nothing but flutter fish on showdown rn? Literally every team lead the same exact mons 90% of the time… getting really boring

[cursive mason]

Flutter fish is good but there are some pretty common checks, also prob best to discuss this in comp gen

[tawny wave]

https://pokepast.es/3a0b5ac5caa674ba

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawny wave]

i updated my team

[warped tide]

https://pokepast.es/ad698d064801bf51

Been using this team since January btw thats why there aren’t any paradox mons or legends

[static mountain]

https://pokepast.es/b65b695e0845a29c
what could be the last addition to the team?

@winter gulch

[violet notch]

sorry this is from series two but i said i wouldn't come back until it was done and its finished
https://pokepast.es/c1b6426ef3b5efc2
not really looking for suggestions just thoughts im pretty proud of it

[manic pond]

Your team needs to be complete or they won’t rate it

I would give indeedee the psychic seed

Give the iron hands the goggles and make it tera fire to avoid wisp

Last mon can be something like gyarados or amoongus

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/ac2af5b78445edbe
I have an inkling of an idea (ghost spam)

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[balmy valley]

💀 didnt want to ping but oh well

[wanton niche]

First comp team so just want some opinions
https://pokepast.es/1b5b858e11ae6215

[heady kiln]

ghold has a bad nature with specs protect

[frail coyote]

This is where I’m at with my team. Can’t seem to win though. I’ve been on a losing streak on Showdown that has kept me at an ELO of 1000. Any feedback is greatly appreciated.
https://pokepast.es/9a69bd5ea6edb46c

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[wanton niche]

Thx been doing better with the team, any recommendations for Azumaril? It hardly gets used so idk if I'm using it wrong or if you have a better suggestion for that slot instead

[manic pond]

The team itself looks really outdated

It’s not the best team for reg C

But for what you have

I would either give azumarill the life orb a Sitrus berry (belly drum set) or a choice band

[simple quest]

First time making a team, what can be improved?

[verbal tundra]

Also my first VGC team https://pokepast.es/76d6e95de9b0455c

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

ok let's see how far back I need to look

[winter gulch]

very solid, I would personally go something like Kingambits > Wochien just to round out the core a bit and keep the offense going, but besides that its quite solid!

[winter gulch]

Also pretty solid, a couple set changes I would make like
EQ on Tusk > Rock Slide, Goggles Support Arc with Wisp instead of Offensive Clear Amulet

[winter gulch]

Its a bit outdated but its still probably usable, you just need to play very cautiously around mons like Chi-Yu since you have a tough time with that. Just replace Recover with Dazzling on Gholdengo
Honestly I would probably replace Talon and Hydreigon here since they don't quite fit on the team, I think Bax + Bundle could be solid here with Booster Energy Timid Bundle and Clear Amulet Baxcalibur

(just saw the updated version, looks quite solid! Still not sure if I like Talon but its definitely not bad)

[winter gulch]

Very nice, maybe Rock Slide over Ice Spinner? Other than that looks pretty solid! Not sure about Sunny Day > Protect but I trust you on this one lol

and I would probably go Blitz > Protect on Talon

[winter gulch]

This is a really outdated team, I would probably look into some Reg C teams and go from there
If you want me to rate this team from an S1 perspective, the first thing I see is that your team is REALLY weak to Arcanine and Meowscarada which isn't great

[manic pond]

Yeah you’re right for this one

I changed waterfall to iron head

But sunny day has been very good

Bc it’s boosts flame thrower

[winter gulch]

I think its soldi, Armarouge might be a bit outdated for S3 but its a solid, well-rounded TR team. I think you could add more protects on places like Hatt, but yeah you should be proud, solid team!

[manic pond]

And procks Protosynthesis on my two mons

[winter gulch]

ooh interesting

[hybrid hatch]

Is it just wow over psychic fangs?

[winter gulch]

yeah I saw that synergy, kinda nice

[hybrid hatch]

And goggles

[manic pond]

Yeah it’s just bc I have like no attack investment

And waterfall ends up doing nothing

When sun is up

But sunny day feels really strong

So I just changed to iron head

[winter gulch]

I would probably go Protect/Blitz/Wisp/Espeed

the ESpeed slot you can play around with a bit

[manic pond]

Also ice spinner hits garchomp dragonite and other dragons

I already have power gem on flutter lane so I can work around and use that

[winter gulch]

Sometimes spamming a type is ok, idt its that great in this context since you're now kinda weak to Arcanine and don't cover very many types
I know you cook hard though so I'll let you lol

[winter gulch]

I think Hydreigon is pretty out of date, I would look into Choice Band Dragonite with ESpeed
Chien Pao can go Focus Sash with Sacred Sword, Ice Spinner, Sucker, Protect
I think Ape doesn't need to be here, but if you like it, you can go Bulk Up Protect Rage Fist Drain Punch with Lefties and Tera Fire,
and for Azu you could try something like Bundle, Chi Yu, or Flutter (I think could be solid)

[winter gulch]

yeah its a solid tusk move, honestly the team was quite well made

are you running it in the IC?

[manic pond]

I’ve never been in a tournament

I just team build for funsies

Lowkey

[wanton niche]

I've changed it a little from the advice and games I've played and yea I was planning on changing Hdreigon just isn't useful, but thanks Ill give Dragonite a go and see if it improves
This is my new one: https://pokepast.es/c259785727019a75

[manic pond]

I would run nasty plot on gholdengo

Instead of thunder bolt

Personally I’m a huge fan of leftovers tera water bulky gholdengo

[winter gulch]

^^

[manic pond]

But life orb is fine

[wanton niche]

Oo okay, I didn't go with nasty plot cause he dies so quickly normally and doesn't get one up

[manic pond]

Bc you gotta run fat gholdengo

[wanton niche]

This is tempting, do you have a fat gholdengo set I could use for the team?

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/f0f71b3a1a33eb85

Sum like this

[wanton niche]

Thank you very much. I'll give it a shot and see how the team works

[hybrid hatch]

I'll try it out thanks tho

[balmy valley]

changed to NP Gholdengo, also it's not... that weak to Arcanine
Shadow Ball x2 KOs it

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/3129bdd5ed0a8bfd this is the team I threw together as my first try, can somebody that actually understands pokemon tell me its flaws please?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd horizon]

pokemon synergy is kinda weird, tailwind + garganacl? Many sets feel off, pbomb maus without wide lens, terafairy doesnt abuse levitate, murkrow doesnt have any damage output like foul play/brave bird, garganacl lacks recover and steel is worse for it than ghost because of the ghost + ability synergy, muscle band isnt a great item and gholdengo lacks shadow ball among other things. Would recommend using a vgcpastes rental (pinned)

[violet notch]

the event is for series 2 so I think it'll be okay

protect on hat is a good idea though thank you

[shrewd horizon]

I think sylveon could be better than tinkaton (at least worth testing)

you could also do some lava plume dachsbun stuff ngl

[ornate vale]

hey Kingambit and Ting-Lu have the exact same base sp. defense (108), rn King has AV and Ting-Lu has safety goggles, should I switch them or leave it as they are?

[bold creek]

Paradox

Switch ice punch for drain punch

and Invest HP in SpD

Https://pokepat.es/68045d6026478fb9

Https://pokepast.es/68045d6026478fb9

Bru

https://pokepast.es/68045d6026478fb9

Ye Any thoughts on this team?

I wanted to build a rain team Kinda without pelipper

Abit like hyper offense sun

The team actually working well in ladder Due to the strange movsets on the pokemon and special salamence

Any improvements to this team?

I was thinking there was too heavy role on murkrow and might change it

Also I hardly bring chien so might change it

[honest burrow]

Thoughts on this?

https://pokepast.es/4063d239ce096405

[hidden path]

might be fun, but it loses a lot of efficiency and wastes a turn

[honest burrow]

Anyone?

[shrewd horizon]

Torkoal > Arcanine, TeraDark Gambit, Drain Punch > Protect on Hands

[bold creek]

@hidden path Ye so I tried it in a couple Games and I actually had really good success with it

I did switch chien pao for mimikyu and It helps alot into trickroom and stuff

[shrewd horizon]

and yeah this is p accurate, pelipper feels like just the better slot

Especially with how much your team relies on rain dance

[bold creek]

Ik but then it becomes fairly predictable

Its good for best of one

Also life orb salamence does crazy damage with hurricane

[shrewd horizon]

i generally rate for bo3 ots so cant really speak on that

[bold creek]

Ye

B03 is different to b01

cause Of open team sheets and stuff

[honest burrow]

Why?

[bold creek]

b01 has alot of Surprise factor in it

[shrewd horizon]

you have a TR team you need koal, teraghost is mid when you already have psychic surge to be fake out immune, drain punch recovery is huge especially with swords dance

[bold creek]

belly drum> sworddance

[shrewd horizon]

not when you need sitrus on azu

[bold creek]

true

[shrewd horizon]

ive actually ran that in s2 though on hard TR it was p solid

[honest burrow]

Isn’t torkoal taking away from azu’s power?

[shrewd horizon]

At +6 it doesnt really matter

and koal just provides a lot more than arcanine

on hard TR teams

[honest burrow]

Also, rk9 can be used outside tr too

[shrewd horizon]

They actually cover each other well offensively

[haughty crag]

https://pokepast.es/262ec95dc5a8749d I updated my team a bit, is it better now?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[shrewd horizon]

when you run indeedee hatt your focus should be on TR

Youre way too commited on TR to build a non TR mode

[honest burrow]

Fair enough

[shrewd horizon]

its better but it feels like a s1 team instead of a reg c team

[haughty crag]

what does this mean?

i am very new

[shrewd horizon]

series 1 was a format without ruin or paradox pokemon (so like flutter mane bundle chi-yu chien-pao etc were banned)

but now with these strong pokemon the power level got a lot higher and having neither a ruin or paradox mon just makes ur team feel weaker tbh, like you kinda want to abuse threats like chi-yu flutter mane iron bundle and great tusk on murkrow teams

[haughty crag]

which pokemon should go in favor of a paradox/ruin mon? or should I swap out more than one pokemon?

[manic pond]

Just look at sample teams to get an idea

[shrewd horizon]

Definitively gallade for great tusk

[manic pond]

What your building is basically a completely different format from what people are doing rn

[shrewd horizon]

And prob maus for like bundle/bonnet

The others can stay but im not sure if that would be better than just hydreigon > chi-yu gholdengo > flut haha

https://pokepast.es/4c7223e9935597b7 https://pokepast.es/4c401ad9ccfb55aa https://pokepast.es/6e09a54086c02872

These are the best 3 murkrow pastes atm for reference

[manic pond]

You can’t open

Any of those links

[shrewd horizon]

oh

bcuz i didnt space them

oops

[haughty crag]

I used word to get them anyway

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/59bb9f0d77b22c7b

r a t e

[bold creek]

9/10

[tawny wave]

https://pokepast.es/3a0b5ac5caa674ba

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tawny wave]

Changes

[bold creek]

Mystic change either gholdengo or King Gambit for Arcanine

https://pokepast.es/b709f21059736706

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

Bellibolt

The team looks odd but actually smacks

Just wondering what pokemon I should change for mimikyu

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/55825aa00f06016f

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/2b83b38d6861b43b

Challenged myself to make a viable reg c team only using non legendary, non paradox mons, thoughts?

[arctic raptor]

This is exactly how I make most of my teams. I got Greedent into the 1600’s with a trick room team.

Any mons you want to use specifically?

Or is the team you made working decently as is?

[honest burrow]

Idk, haven’t tested it yet

[honest burrow]

I would like to have a core that allows me to have a plan if tr no work

[honest burrow]

To the dms

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/96025f2f0bd5e899
Thinking of dropping Ruination for Snarl maybe? Also Volc originally ran Grass Tera and Giga Drain over protect, also not sure what item to use on Volc

I’ve been interested in trying out Stonjourner and working it into a high damage but balanced team

[drifting onyx]

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[umbral crystal]

Everyone here last time did a great job fixing up my Lycan Ttar team. I even reached top 300 in Rotation B

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/8fab761b00eb0209

I updated a few things but I don’t know how to progress from here?

[drifting onyx]

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[umbral crystal]

I took off protect from volc and brought back the grass Tera that I’m more used to playing I also swapped Ruination for Snarl as I felt like it would better fit the supportive role for Wo C.

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/9b8c9b3250c1a671

[drifting onyx]

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[hidden path]

WHY IS THIS TEAM SO GOOD

[uneven fog]

https://pokepast.es/c6caac56b2be1d6c

made this today as my 1st proper VGC team

i had some old Gimmicky ones before i wnated to start playing properly but i feel this team is actually viable and maybe good

ill explain any choices if need be

[covert hill]

why are you using a mismagius?

[uneven fog]

It walls great tusk

[balmy valley]

you have a gyarados

[uneven fog]

I've replaced it with a chomp that outspeeds flutter can one shot it , and dengo can tank a +2 make it rain then 1 shot it faster turn after

I spent ages in dmg calc seeing if I can swap into +2 make it rain lmao

The spread is goofy but I kind of love it

[uneven fog]

(In tailwind)

Also idk if I should swap talonflame for murkrow

But that gives me yet another fairy weakness so no

Did all that calc just to forgot about life orb Tax

[spark creek]

Hi
I wanna start on competitive but it is my first time on that.

I don't know what the last Pokémon could be. I was thinking about Tyranitar or Chien-Pao

https://pokepast.es/8ab34ec0d15b6450

[drifting onyx]

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[shrewd horizon]

looks very good, run terawater amoonguss, this dragapult set Dragapult @ Choice Band
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Steel

• Dragon Darts
• Phantom Force
• Tera Blast
• U-turn
  And then just add chien-pao like you were thinking

then you have an amazing team

(For pult evs you can just do 252/252 jolly)

Oh and i would drop either taunt on palafin for haze or protect on amoonguss for clear smog because dondozo + tatsugiri is very relevant rn

[spark creek]

On Chien-Pao I was thinking some like this

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Level: 50
Ability: Sword of Ruin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Fighting
Jolly Nature

• Ice Spinner
• Sucker Punch
• Sacred Sword
• Protect

And drop protect on amoonguss

I think I need protect on Palafin

[shrewd horizon]

oh i meant dropping taunt on palafin

Which you dont necessarily need, its just a nice tech vs amoong

[shrewd horizon]

teraghost is mostly better btw, fake out, espeed and fighting immunity are huge

[spark creek]

My bad, I read it wrong

So my team looks like this

https://pokepast.es/8452510fd5da0410

[shrewd horizon]

you do not need both clear smog and haze xd, either is fine but looks very good

[spark creek]

I will try this and see the results

Thanks for your help

[hidden path]

uh

[devout hatch]

https://pokepast.es/cab76ca7ea8e9fdc

@polar sigil

Oops

@sand minnow

I took all the EV spreads from smogon so if any need to change that’s fine

[sand minnow]

Throat chop over jaw lock
Tera blast tera steel is very repetitive, I would suggest replacing choice band with Life Orb and replacing tera blast with protect

Overall very good team considering that u want to keep those certain mons

[umbral crystal]

When is it not relevant 😦

[shrewd horizon]

fair enough lol

[umbral crystal]

Can anyone help me out on my balanced team with Stonjourner support

https://pokepast.es/8fab761b00eb0209

Most of these Pokémon I’ve never run before so I’m not sure how well they will synergize?

[devout hatch]

Awesome; thank you! Are the EV spreads fine?

[sand minnow]

Yeah

[devout hatch]

Cool cool

[static mountain]

https://pokepast.es/33b50439e1bc574a

Any changes I should make?

[drifting onyx]

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[umbral crystal]

Why orthworm? For the EQ spam?

Also why has there been a resurgence or Garchomp over Great Tusk? (I’ve seen quite a lot recently)

[umbral crystal]

I’d personally run clear amulet over LO on Gar

You’d also might be interested in rocking a Ting Lu too

If you are planing on using shed tail then maybe one of your moms should have a stat boosting move too, maybe?

[static mountain]

it's faster than chi-yu

and also has a better matchup into palafin

[umbral crystal]

It’s kinda troll to not run scarf yu tho

In that case it’s still faster

[static mountain]

not really, non scarf chi-yu is usually better

[umbral crystal]

The only time I wouldn’t run scarf I’d have heavy speed control on my team

I’d still highly recommend Clear Amulet especially without any way to boost your damage

If you have Orthworm it might be worth to run Swords Dance too

[umbral crystal]

Btw I’m out of the loop for Gyarados, is that a normal set now. Is there any hybrid utility/damage build with DD?

I’m kinda interested in rocking a Gyarados but I need it to be a back up damage dealer since most of my damage is exclusively from SpAttacker

Pika shows a butt ton of spreads!

Very cool

Also scarf yu has 41% usage for last series and now it’s split 21% with sash and scarf

I’m shocked Garchomp survives a single Dark Pulse

[balmy valley]

Chi-Yu doesn't OHKO stuff unless LO/specs/sun/hh boosted
it just 2HKOes stuff

[umbral crystal]

Or with powerspot ; )

[balmy valley]

sure

[umbral crystal]

Yay 🎉🎉

Now if only I could get help with my team since I’ve never used Stonjourner nor have I had a good run with balanced teams in doubles (ttar hyper offensive got me to top 300 on cart)

Gyarados spread has changed to a hybrid utility offense

[umbral crystal]

https://pokepast.es/8d974e86dbbdd81c

[balmy valley]

Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 244 HP / 196 Def / 52 SpA / 4 SpD / 12 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Struggle Bug
• Tailwind
• Rage Powder
• Giga Drain
  any specific reason it's Giga Drain over Heat Wave or Overheat?

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/a5ca4ab21969d2db

[drifting onyx]

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[honest burrow]

What is the verdict?

[static mountain]

https://pokepast.es/1a3f7462b95420ce
@rare slate

any chances I should make?

meowscarada was originally chien-pao but I found the team to be way too weak to rain

especially the surfdozo variation

@normal stream @winter gulch @shrewd horizon

[hidden path]

stalls unreliable in vgc

[umbral crystal]

Something to synergize with defensive Tera grass

[umbral crystal]

Meow is a huge downgrade from chien

[hidden path]

i personally use it as a dondozo check with flower trick

[umbral crystal]

I get that for sure but you can run haze on chein

[hidden path]

oh yeah it has haze

[umbral crystal]

Or at least that’s my teams current counter

Is Tera ghost necessary on talon? You have the covert cloak already

Also I feel max HP max Speed with 4 attack is necessary if you don’t have focus sash

Brave bird still does well into moogus

Also since you dropped Gyarados you lost a consistent way to reduce damage from palfin

Paladin pretty much only run mystic water so I’ve never seen a clear amulet variant

[honest burrow]

What do you think about the team?

[static mountain]

that doesn't help with dreadnaw does it?

[umbral crystal]

Why ring target, also you have nothing to defend against SpAttackers

Oh I see everyone runs an abhorid amount of SpD investment

[umbral crystal]

Garchomp shouldn’t care about dreadnaw

Don’t spam your Tera, think about when it’s the best time to use

[umbral crystal]

That Gilmora set is extremely mediocre

:/

The team seems to be way too gimecky and reliant on getting poison off

Flutter is also a sitting duck, it will easily pop from a physical attack or at the least you can’t perish trap since to help protect it you’ll need to swap goth out

I’ve never seen a booster energy SpD, and it’s probably for a pretty good reason

Passive damage team with no reliable damage dealer won’t work with how effective hyper offense is.

[umbral crystal]

I have heard of passive teams pairing well with Dozo but I don’t know anything about it as I’m totally trash at playing Dozo

[static mountain]

@winter gulch https://pokepast.es/1a3f7462b95420ce
anything I should change?

[topaz mountain]

https://pokepast.es/4874f1b17a0a0da4

[drifting onyx]

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[topaz mountain]

Mostly looking to see if there's any major counters to my team so I can prepare for them

Got a 5 win streak on cart with this so 🤷‍♂️

[honest burrow]

What should I change specifically?

[umbral crystal]

I don’t know man it WAY too reliant on passive damage and most of the sets are weird

[honest burrow]

It’s stall, what do you expect

[umbral crystal]

Stall sets on non stall pokemon… stall is already very hard to pull off in doubles

I don’t know what to say. It just feels like you a#re forcing rolls on some of these Pokémon

[umbral crystal]

Looks good, I don’t know about counters but I’ve seen a lot less gambit monkeys recently (not necessarily saying it’s bad) and most Dnites have moved to Tera flying. The only time I really see Tera normal dnite these days are with chien pao (you could also do it with Stonejourners Powerspot but that’s a risk that you don’t need to take probably)

[umbral crystal]

For better help with building Stall you’d have to ask someone dedicated to it. I can’t give deeper advice past mediocre speculation

[topaz mountain]

Ehh, I see where you're coming from

I just run it to pick off or 2HKO ice shard users

And cetitan is a non issue

Tera Normal Dnite I mean

And another thing I wanted to ask was should I use Freeze Dry over Ice Beam

On bundle

It helps yea but I'm trying to see if I should commit since I usually get Bonnet or Dpult to pick off Waters

[honest burrow]

I see, thanks for being honest

[clever tangle]

Anyone willing to help team build? Just for showdown. https://pokepast.es/bd2cc405ee67488d

[chrome turtle]

Hello! I recently started playing competitively and have been testing teams on Showdown, but without much success. The team I have been doing the best with is this https://pokepast.es/76a382d43b988cb6. What do you think I can improve?

[drifting onyx]

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[hidden path]

av on azu and switch prot for ice spinner

and maybe covert cloak on volc

and prot instead of psychic

[hidden path]

also stomping tantrum just isnt good

on dnite

[chrome turtle]

@hidden path Ty!
Stomping tantrum is the only ground attack I have..

[hidden path]

why do you need it?

dnite doesnt really have a need for a ground attack

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/c998f4cfadfe7741

[drifting onyx]

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[bold creek]

Any improvements?

[red brook]

https://pokepast.es/098ec4ea3d89db77

[weak oar]

https://pokepast.es/24047ba8d5d14d4f

[drifting onyx]

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[honest burrow]

Stall squad 2? https://pokepast.es/50f152d2ca83df7e

[thorny moat]

https://pokepast.es/696e821ccb996036
Silly Sun Trick Room team i made just want some input

[opaque crag]

https://pokepast.es/38a8e2f79f6e77f6 any advice on this team.new to vgc

[pseudo current]

hey guys can you give me critique on my team it is https://pokepast.es/1782405c1a63df7a
the team it is based on is https://pokepast.es/f75fbb4ae3e80885

[devout hatch]

Bro it doesn’t show the natures on pokepaste so idk what I put, what would you suggest?

[winter gulch]

The natures do show on pokepaste

[devout hatch]

Am I blind

[winter gulch]

also sorry everyone for missing the past like 20 pastes, I'm just really busy atm and don't really have time to get to them

[devout hatch]

Yes

Yes I am

[winter gulch]

personally I would go Adamant but it depends on team

[devout hatch]

I mean I have adamant on 4 already, not sure if that is a bad thing

[winter gulch]

if you have 4 on Adamant that probably means you have too many physical attackers

[devout hatch]

Oh blady hell

[winter gulch]

DNite and Roaring moon are pretty redundant

yeah the team wants at least 1 special attacker

[sand minnow]

yeah told him that already but he says he wants to build with those mons

[winter gulch]

ah my bad

[devout hatch]

Yeah

[sand minnow]

might be the best he can get with those certain mons

without changing

yeah

[devout hatch]

And ting lu lowers special

I understand for switching though

If I had to change any it’d be dragonite but I did just use a patch on him

If I were to switch dragonite, what would you recommend? Dragapult?

[winter gulch]

I wouldn't recommend double stacking dragons

[devout hatch]

What would you recommend?

[bold creek]

Most retarted funny and actually viable B01 team lol

https://pokepast.es/3541805d146c022a

[drifting onyx]

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[hidden path]

kings rock population bomb new tech?

[bold creek]

lol

[pseudo current]

hey guys can you give me critique on my team it is https://pokepast.es/1782405c1a63df7a
the team it is based on is https://pokepast.es/f75fbb4ae3e80885

[covert hill]

hi everyone

I was building a team with slaking and sableye (it's a gimmicky team)

and I would like some opinions

https://pokepast.es/3b756e620b4b983c

[drifting onyx]

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[honest burrow]

I’d rather use skill link with kings rock

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/5a52ce46e07684ca

Pokemon team number one which could be viable

Maybe switch volt switch for trick and run choice specs

https://pokepast.es/ac2e41931d8e3e1b

Nevermind

switch blissey for maushold

And talonflame

fuck

nothing WORKS

[honest burrow]

https://pokepast.es/f78488625aa6f02f

[drifting onyx]

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[honest burrow]

The idea is that mostly every Pokémon synergizes with each other to keep everyone alive, but I think the strongest synergies are the following

Wo chien and maushold: wo chien heals maushold with pollen puff while making use of friend guard and follow me to stay alive off of the life generation off leech seed

Garg and wo chien: two of the bulkiest Pokémon in the game on the field with moves that remove % of hp over time is quite something combined with ruination speeding up the process

Rk9 and wo chien, trap + dot + debuff + heal = good

The rest should be able to be put together based on that information

[hidden path]

i personally run ingrain ((weird choice) but it actually gives insane heals with leech seed

you need to ko it in one hit to remove it off the field

which is impossible

[high seal]

Hi, i need help with this team, im not sure if the special ofenssive side of the team is good, i was thinking of changing the ih for something else, but i dont know

https://pokepast.es/a9a1b3fee78c6cb8

[drifting onyx]

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[plain nebula]

Teambuild for a reg c team and did a few battles with it

https://pokepast.es/92d907a7058a8fb0

[hidden path]

im tryna make a team with toxtricity cuz its dmg output with punk rock + throat spray boost is insane

any tips?

[honest burrow]

Maybe experiment with instruct?

[hidden path]

huh'

didnt think of a tr team

[hidden path]

which tr mon should i use

oh

wait

thats pretty obvious

[honest burrow]

Not necessarily tr, just oranguru bc instruct because 2 attacks = 2x damage

[hidden path]

k

perfect use of telepathy

[hidden path]

teams working

[granite leaf]

https://pokepast.es/8287acee1ad3c0f5
My first competitive VGC team in a long time so I’d like to hear any suggestions on bettering it, cause I’d like to have a viable team for competitions. If you have anything to say I’d love to hear it!
I also want to add roost to dragonite so I can abuse multiscale, but I’m not sure if it’s viable, along with replacing hatterene with brute bonnet

[drifting onyx]

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[simple mesa]

https://pokepast.es/0043292d159c4421

[drifting onyx]

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[simple mesa]

I'm fairly new to competitve, are there any glaring flaws w/ this team?

[plain nebula]

https://pokepast.es/92d907a7058a8fb0

vgc team I built

[hidden path]

leftovers is better with annihilape imo

ans there isnt much use of 2 damaging fairy moves

i prefer energy ball for all the rock types n ground types

[simple mesa]

Thanks for the advice!

[hidden path]

or maybe even tbolt

np

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/f1cc0172f3cca33f

[drifting onyx]

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[hidden path]

i wanna make a speedy team so imma redo it

[manic pond]

This is some straight bafootery

[hidden path]

?

[winter gulch]

in other words, its not great

[manic pond]

Lmao

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/2a78eda010369b15 I’ve been thinking of swapping out abomasnow and bundle for something else but I’m not sure what

[drifting onyx]

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[manic pond]

You should be thinking of switching that dragalge

I’ve actually been seeing a lot of abamasnow + bundle

I think you should consider running protect goggles talonflame

Choice scarf tusk

And life orb abamasnow

With tera water

[sterile flame]

Tera water makes sense, I was running ice for more damage output, and Dragalge is typically my counter to amoongus as well as dozogiri cores, so idk what else would beat that

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/ed04ac9780106cf4

[drifting onyx]

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[manic pond]

I would consider

Running a team similar to this

And probably remove protect on amoongus

With clear smog

For dozo

[sterile flame]

Ohhhh clear smog is smart

I lowkey forgot about it

[manic pond]

Since you’ll be behind screens most of the time

And most dozo are running grass now

Clear smog is a good idea

[sterile flame]

Also rock slide on tusk I see

[manic pond]

For this team specifically

[sterile flame]

I like it

[manic pond]

I usually don’t like it

But it look good here

Try running that team

And then adjust the evs specific to thing you seem to have a hard time with

[winter gulch]

Scarf Tusk + Chien-Pao is also a solid thing you could try

but yeah that team is solid

[manic pond]

True

I usually also don’t like moon

But being behind screens

A set up mon is almost always a requirement

To take advantage of the bulk

And you needed an amoongus counter

So Lum berry + 1 acrobatics

Always kills

So

[sterile flame]

Well in that same vein I feel like chien Lao would also work

[manic pond]

Googles talon flame btw is so that you don’t lose gale wings to ice chip

[sterile flame]

I like both those options tho

Well it’s snow

So I won’t either way

How prevalent is hands in regulation c

[manic pond]

I think you can def replace moon with chien pao

[manic pond]

Not as big as it was before

I personally don’t like it

Because of specs flutter

It just gets obliterated

But it’s def a really good mon

I remember when great tusk + taking flame was around

And I would use tera flying Lum berry swords dance iron hands as a hard counter

[sterile flame]

hands is a nice counter to stuff like palafin tho

my guy's got dummy bulk

which also is why i threw av on him was for flutter mane

[manic pond]

It stills gets railed by specs flutter

And that’s the most common set rn

So it’s kinda iffy in the format

And since arcanine ms everywhere

It’s kinda rough bc it’s damage output gets reduced so much

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/07012c464f60eee4 any thoughts on this

[drifting onyx]

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[hidden path]

teras really need to be fixed

[sand minnow]

yeah i do gotta do that

[manic pond]

Wtf am I looking at here

Looks like a bunch of random mons mashed together

And why is the breloom expert belt?

And why are you using breloom without tailwind

[bold creek]

lol

[sand minnow]

i went life orb on breloom its goal is just to kill the vessel mons with mach punch and bundle

ttar is to break sashes

scizor is my answer to trick room setters with u turn killing most of em

rotom is for amoonguss

[novel wraith]

this looks decently disorganised and not very consistent rn, id look at what current teams are using and steal ideas from there (such as maybe using chi yu over rotom-h and making it sash tera water nasty plot to beat palafin + other chi yu)

figure out what u want to build around first tho

and abuse the brokens in the format as much as possible, nobody in their right mind will criticize u for it

[high seal]

Hi, any ideas for the last member on the team?

https://pokepast.es/28c1e92ed575236f

[drifting onyx]

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[spiral shale]

ting lu

[hidden path]

wth

[hidden path]

jolly flutter?

legit

what

im so confused

just use timid

and protect choice scarf chi yu

and use drain punch on palafin

and clear smogs pretty useless if you already have a faster haze

[high seal]

Sorry i meant timid

[hidden path]

use protect

[high seal]

https://pokepast.es/94351bd5e174dde4 this is the final form

[drifting onyx]

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[high seal]

I added bax

[manic pond]

It’s just a fairly standard team

Fix tera

Give palafin protect over drain punch

Take hyper beam off

Run tera eother tera ghost or tera grass on chi yu

If you want to avoid fake out

Run ghost

If you want to live palafin hits and work around ammongus

Run grass

I prefer grass

Also I prefer assault vest Baxcalibur

But if you’re running clear amulet

You should probably run d dance to take advantage of it as much as you can

If not

Just run ice shard glaive rush icicle crash

And drop earthquake

[obsidian linden]

https://pokepast.es/0b626229e31a77b5 how does my team look? i actually had walking wake instead of great tusk then i found out that gamefreak of course had to ban it

[obsidian linden]

have the same version with meowscarada or garganacl instead of tusk

trying to search for a replacement for walking wake and just wanna know if there is anything i can improve/remove/add in this team

[balmy valley]

Ceruledge (F) @ Clear Amulet
Ability: Weak Armor -> Flash Fire

Use Grimm over Sableye it's just better

Torkoal (M) @ Heat Rock -> Charcoal

Flutter Mane @ Safety Goggles -> Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fairy / Fire / Water
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe (bulkier ev spread)
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Shadow Ball
• Mystical Fire
• Protect -> Moonblast

Tinkaton @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Mold Breaker
Tera Type: Steel -> Water / Fire

Great Tusk @ Assault Vest -> Focus Sash / Choice Scarf
if you want to stick to AV go Tera Steel

[obsidian linden]

alright thanks

do you think there could be a better option for great tusk?

or any pokemon in my team, except sableye which you already mentioned

[obsidian linden]

https://pokepast.es/98042b11e8ad452d does that look better? keept some stuff like safety googles on flutter since amoongus was an issue and weak armor ceruledge to get speed control, but im still debating wether i should keep weak armor or switch to flash fire

[drifting onyx]

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[obsidian linden]

other than that idk about the last spot on the team tried some different stuff like meowscarada garganacl and great tusk but chi yu worked best so i went with it

[devout hatch]

@sand minnow I just realised I have no counter to water type Pokémon, what should I change?

[sand minnow]

Is amoonguss not enough

[devout hatch]

I have no grass moves

[sand minnow]

Even on standard palance teams the only ones that take water is amoong and palafin

Both of which you have

[devout hatch]

Which do damage

[sand minnow]

Don't really need an SE to counter them

Amoongs rage powder and spore is enough to shut them down

[devout hatch]

So I tera amoonguss, rage powder?

[sand minnow]

Tera isnt usually needed because of the natural resist but yeah.

You can rage powder and attack with your other mon, or just spore them depends if your other mon can tank it

Are there any specific water types you are having problems against

[covert hill]

hello everyone

what do you think of this team?

https://pokepast.es/0d88cf2814fbb4da

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[devout hatch]

Ah, thank you man

[devout hatch]

Nah I’ve just played my second game with the team and lost but tbf i haven’t played vgc before ever

[sand minnow]

Why tatsu yellow? Im pretty sure the attack boost from orange is preferred

[covert hill]

Actually i've been playing a lot of games and I haven't really used the att boost much

and i think tatsu speed is being more used

[devout hatch]

I lost to Dondozo because I forgot I had haze

💀

[spiral shale]

dont use order up

eq is better

[covert hill]

?

why

I like order up

its nice to buff stats

[spiral shale]

spread

you dont get enough free turns for the boosts to be meaningful

[covert hill]

yes thats true

but still

is it worth it?

but apart from that

is there anything i should change besides that?

[spiral shale]

id make dozo oblivious

[covert hill]

yes I've thouht about that too

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/9dd97d2f1819ad38

Felt Like being devious today and tried out some different stuff with mausape core with roaring moon and bundle

the sets are strange but the funny thing is that it works when I was testing

Also all the pokemon synergise really well together with sets and abilities and stuff

[hidden path]

sash on maus

[bold creek]

maybe

changed abomasnow and arcanine to murkrow and gholdengo

The team defo needs speed control

[covert hill]

https://pokepast.es/bf55105202b1d3ea

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[covert hill]

hello everyone

can someone rate this team?

I had already sent the team but I've made a few changes

[plain kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/b6f398440507f05b hardtr any rates or thoughts on improving the team?

[winter gulch]

I like hard TR, looks solid. I've used a similar core myself, I would go Hatt with Lorb (with 252 SpA) and probably replace Protect with Spore on Brute Bonnet. Feint on Hariyama is pretty nice to punish passive plays but it counter synergizes with PsyTerrain a lot which sucks. Heat Wave > Flamethrower personally on Torkoal (spread after getting chipped is nice). Also your Armarouge MU seems pretty tough, maybe replace one of the two psychic sweepers with something that can help a bit more
I think you might find yourself having a hard time setting TR up a second times though, but try it out, looks solid

[plain kestrel]

I’m aware of the feint stuff yet it’s still pretty good when terrain is down ig. would you recommend I replace the armarouge with?

[winter gulch]

on my team I put a faster mode on it to help me with some MUs a bit more, not 100% sure on a good replacement since I'm still figuring things out myself
Chi-Yu could be interesting with Snarl Spam and SpD lowering for Tork and Hatt + Sun boost

or you could try a physical attacker like Kingambit

[plain kestrel]

🙏

I like the idea of chi yu, just not really gambit so much when I have bonnet and hariyama. They kinda fill that role and make part in their own roles.

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/308660c4e5b2e42e racked up an impressive w/l with this

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

uhh i think it was 7 to 1

[cursive mason]

Why is there a misdreavus

Also not really sure about gastro here, it’s not really a tr offensive threat and you already have sun and bonnet for waters

[manic pond]

This is scandalous

[hidden path]

ong

but it works

[hidden path]

pretty underrated tr setter

[willow owl]

https://pokepast.es/46b4be1407585096
I am planning to use this for vgc but I'm not gonna allow myself to use legendaries

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sterile flame]

https://pokepast.es/076f41aaf060adf9

so far this team has been working great though I am struggling using roaring moon

[sterile flame]

Any advice on things to change

[north rain]

https://pokepast.es/cb8102a2a95098fd

Can anyone rate my team ?

[woven rose]

Your tera types are wonky. The only ones that are ok are arma and tork
Indee: probably tera fairy
Amoonguss: tera fire is pretty nice. So is water and dark
Bax: Poison is a great defensive tera
Annihilape: fire every day of the week

[covert hill]

https://pokepast.es/81d0eee7de7ed8cb

can anyone rate this team

[plain kestrel]

https://pokepast.es/14e2c53725ae45d9 can someone critique this

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[obsidian linden]

https://pokepast.es/e4c1775e4f51749e final form, still not sure wether av or sash would be better on meowscarada tho

[north rain]

I have this team on the game so the tera on indeedee os the same of when I caught her so as I don't use tera I haven't change, the amoogus is a mistake, I actualy use tera water and the baxcalibur I didn't use tera poison because I use it against ting-lu, so groubd os super effective

[plain nebula]

Need help with teambuilding https://pokepast.es/31bb4e6a658509ea

[woven rose]

Psychic seed T-tar is throwing me off because an AV set would almost always be better. Life orb and armarouge and protect instead of sphere would probably be better too

[lost niche]

https://pokepast.es/9e9f82abb1abec13 Please give me feedback

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[upbeat kestrel]

Is this where I can get someone to help with my team I haven’t got a Fckn Scooby me I’m new to this shit and just want some help setting em up

For comp I mean not just a play through

[hidden path]

yep

[hidden path]

expert belt isnt great on kg

maybe black glasses or sum

[hidden path]

i kinda wanna make a tr team with vespiquen

didnt work out ;-;

[lost niche]

yeah, it works better, thank you

[marble raptor]

please feel free to critic my team

https://pokepast.es/01b93a2431b94cf9

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

imma make a full ruinous mon team

cuz

why not

[covert hill]

https://pokepast.es/81d0eee7de7ed8cb

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[covert hill]

Can anyone rate this team

Ignore the levels

[hidden path]

i will not

lvl 59 iron hands

prot on dondozo to get all the leftover geals

heals

[covert hill]

Yes but I already have prot on dozo

[hidden path]

oh

mb

[covert hill]

But what about the rest of the team?

[honest burrow]

What I’m going to say are words from a vgc streamer, not me, I’m a noob:

“Earthquake is better on dozo than order up because you usually don’t usually have enough time to take full advantage of the stat increases.”

Also, something relatively obvious that I’d like to add, when tatsugiri is in dozo’s mouth, you don’t need to worry about giri getting hit by eq

[covert hill]

I know

But the thing is I'm not a huge fan of EQ on dozo

Cuz u get completely walled by grass types

Specifically amonguus

And I like the dragon coverage

It helped me many times

And I know that tatsugiri is immune to earthquake while in dozo's mouth

Also I'd like an overall opinion on the team, not on one move

[bold creek]

@covert hill If your going for "dondozo sweep" maybe dont have maushold

7/10 In my opinion

change hands and maushold

[covert hill]

Well I like maushold cuz he supports gholdengo will

Well*

But u have a point

But iron hands I totally disagree

Iron hands is really good

The fake out support rlly helps

And he matches well against the ruins

But what would u put in their place?

[bold creek]

hands good

But not really in this specific team

unless u went iron hands ting lu

as a duo

I like order up dondozo

its just good move and also better matchup against dondozo mirror

[spiral shale]

you have tera grass

youre fine

i think you want chiyu bundle on dozo teams

[covert hill]

yes

[covert hill]

yes but it doesn't if i'm immune to spore if I can't kill him

[covert hill]

maybe i could use chi-yu in hands place

[spiral shale]

you literally tera grass and just leave it on the field

/chip it with eq

[covert hill]

yeah u have a point

[spiral shale]

if it has csmog, order up isnt helping anyway

[covert hill]

yes that's true

[spiral shale]

and order up barely does more than eq to amoong anyway

[covert hill]

yeah but i still prefer orderu up

i was thinking about heavy slam to hit flutter mane

and fairies

do u think it's worth it?

[spiral shale]

wave crash ohkos flutter

[covert hill]

yeah that's right, but I'm still not a huge fan of eq on dozo

[spiral shale]

and sylveon isnt something you need to worry about

[covert hill]

i just rather have dragon or steel coverage

yes I know

I'm gonna try put eq on dozo and chi-yu instead of hands

what item does chi-yu usually uses?

I haven't used chi-yu

[spiral shale]

theres so many

[covert hill]

choice scarf? focus sash?

those are the ones who I see more often

[spiral shale]

okay so here id go sash chiyu, sitrus ghold, goggles maus

[covert hill]

sitrus gold?

[spiral shale]

if youre not removing maus

[covert hill]

I actually like the life orb

to guarantee i 1hko everythik after a nasty plot

trust me very few things can take a make it rain +2 sp atk life orb

if it isn't resistance you're dead

[spiral shale]

you dont need the power

[covert hill]

and even resisting you take absurd amount of damage

and also

why sitrus?

[spiral shale]

bulk

[covert hill]

Yes but wouldn't sitrus be better on maus so he can take more hits?

i want my gholdengo to sweep and my maushold to take his hits

[spiral shale]

maus likes goggles so it can redirect spore

[covert hill]

yes but gholdengo is already immune to spore

and if im not taking gholdengo im taking chi-yu or iron bundle

which amonguus hates

[spiral shale]

i think a better way to look at it is you want your gholdengo to enable your dondozo to sweep

[covert hill]

yes I get what ur trying to say

and it's a good point

but the thing is safety goggles isn't gonna do much since when I use maushold I usually take gholdengo

99% of my maushold leads are with gholdengo

the others 1% are w iron bundle

[spiral shale]

if maus itself gets spored you cant follow me

[covert hill]

but u do have a point

[spiral shale]

also bundle doesnt ohko amoong

[covert hill]

that is true

yeah that's right

but it does 2HKO

[bold creek]

Im bored

Anyone wanna teambuild a team together???

Maushold sometimes feels so bulky and other times feels like a piece of paper lol

[covert hill]

yeah that's true

I think imma try using chi-yu in hands place

[bold creek]

annihilape

No

[covert hill]

yeah that would be good aswell

[bold creek]

eviolite primeape

yes

[covert hill]

what

but the thing is I already have gholdengo

and I like gholdengo

[bold creek]

Im joking lol

choice specs gholdengo

[covert hill]

gholdengo is a killing machine if used well

i actually prefer the nasty plot

If im using cs gholdengo I'm not pairing it with a maushold

the maushold is specifically to set the nasty plot

CS gholdengo would be good with chi-yu for example

a more offensive lead

[bold creek]

Idk

Setup doesnt work too well on dondozo

In my opinion

[covert hill]

well it has been working

anyways doesn't matter

[bold creek]

personally

[covert hill]

if i put chi-yu

[bold creek]

I want to die

[covert hill]

i won't have physical attackers

[bold creek]

lol

what abiut dondozo

[covert hill]

well he needs tatsugiri to work and I want something apart from him

also idk about chi-yu

[bold creek]

Im tilt

lost 2 games on chess

[covert hill]

ting-lu completely walls the chi-yu iron bundle lead

[covert hill]

what's ur elo?

[bold creek]

and I cant think of anything for teambuulding

2000

[covert hill]

really?

[bold creek]

On my main

my other is 1100

almost

wbu?

[covert hill]

Mine is 900 i think

[bold creek]

I love garganacl

[covert hill]

but i haven't played in ages

[bold creek]

Lol

[covert hill]

I've never played much chess online

I like to play irl chess

[bold creek]

Same

ANYWAY

[covert hill]

and also

[bold creek]

back to teambuilding

[covert hill]

I lose a lot of games due to stupid games

[bold creek]

Orlando regionals final blud rain roaring moon

oof same

[covert hill]

like sometimes I'm completely winning

then I just miss click or blunder

[bold creek]

and blunder queen

[covert hill]

out of nowere

[bold creek]

ye it happened today

[covert hill]

yes

sometimes by bar just goes from +10 to the bottom

[bold creek]

Lol

[covert hill]

Specially when I missclick

[bold creek]

and you dont know why

[covert hill]

The thing is in online chess I tend to think less

i just play faster so i don't take the time thinking

[bold creek]

ya

[covert hill]

Irl its easier for me

[bold creek]

true

u wanna play?

[covert hill]

but at the end of the day it's my fault so I can't rlly blame anyone

yes sure

[bold creek]

username?

[covert hill]

lemme log in

[bold creek]

kk

[covert hill]

Withergames123

[bold creek]

bet

imma send u game now

[covert hill]

k

[bold creek]

on alt account

[covert hill]

k

[bold creek]

cant find u

[covert hill]

wait

i can send game link

[bold creek]

u wanna go dm?

[covert hill]

https://play.chess.com/oZo2r

here

[bold creek]

60 minute game

[covert hill]

did u wanted less time?

I like to play 30-60 min games

[bold creek]

ggs

[bold creek]

I have like no idea how to make a dondozo team

[shy flare]

https://pokepast.es/63bbc65d57de5cd0

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[sand minnow]

https://pokepast.es/2761c9c8cd8e9f15 thoughts for comp doubles?

[sand minnow]

Forgot to make the change on this but on dondozo i changed it to be Wave Crash/Order up/rest/Sleep talk

[wooden shard]

decent but some changes are i would add protect over liquidation/wave crash (whichever) you want on dondozo, add yawn on torkoal for eruption

btw why draco on dnite

[sand minnow]

you know

ima be honest

brain fart

[wooden shard]

run dclaw over draco

[sand minnow]

i was gonna say dclaw or maybe extreme speed for priority

[wooden shard]

both work

[sand minnow]

cause im fine with dragon coverage with flutter dozogiri

[wooden shard]

eruption torkoal is also pretty strange

[sand minnow]

i thought so too till i used it

[wooden shard]

it works

[sand minnow]

Sun + Charcoal just does a shit ton to both pokemon even if they resist which is good for breaking sashes/killing one and chipping another

[wooden shard]

yea

[sand minnow]

once it gets low on hp Flamethrower makes up for the damage loss from eruption

[wooden shard]

why eball flutter mane to hit dondozo?

[sand minnow]

yea water coverage

[wooden shard]

ah ic

[sand minnow]

i run into dongiri and Pala a lot and ive been caught without water coverage too much

i was gonna do mystical fire but im fine with hitting grass/steel

so i just opted to guarantee coverage if i decide not to bring brute