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winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Dude you're literally talking to a CL about breaking rules ._.

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:44 PM

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winter gulch Dude you're literally talking to a CL about breaking rules ._.

im telling you to just saying

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applies to me ig

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why do i have spikes on garch

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wait

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that wasnt

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lemme fix that

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meant to be protect

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:45 PM

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yeah i think bundle or something would be more flexible

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 2:46 PM

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Whats a good bundle set?

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:46 PM

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You can make the flutter mane LO and the bundle Booster energy + icy wind

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Hydro Pump Freeze dry Icy wind protect and then TeraGhost or Ice

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 2:47 PM

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Thanks

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:47 PM

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tera ghost is for any fighting type, and tera ice is for more offensive pressure

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:47 PM

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teraghost is also mostly just for espeed and fake out

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:48 PM

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ah yeah

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:48 PM

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and punishes chien-pao sacred sword

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:48 PM

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imaginee if the chien pao misclicks and does crunch on tera ghost and kills it -_-

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:48 PM

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dont run heavy duty boots in vgc

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Hazards arent relevant enough to run it

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nor spikes or garchomp

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:49 PM

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BRO I SWEAR MY BROTHER DID THAT

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i meant sash

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:52 PM

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but also there is lack of protects

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On chien pao chomp moon and stuff

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:53 PM

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i swear my brother messed with my team

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:53 PM

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Also give sableye encore and change roar for snarl or espeed on arcanine

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:54 PM

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k

winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:55 PM

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I'll give you the same recommendation I told you a couple weeks ago, I think it would be helpful to learn the meta a bit
You can see what the best sets are and what other people run, helps a lot with teambuilding and generally just building good teams
https://www.falinks-teambuilder.com/usages/vgc/

Falinks Teambuilder

Falinks Teambuilder - VGCPastes-gen9vgc2023series2

VGCPastes usage statistics

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:55 PM

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winter gulch I'll give you the same recommendation I told you a couple weeks ago, I think it ...

i have been checking it regularly

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:55 PM

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hidden path i swear my brother messed with my team

i mean this

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encore+disable moment

gritty cove Mar 27, 2023, 6:15 PM

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if it's possible i would like to rate this team : https://pokepast.es/bc9014497f90eb96

manic pond Mar 28, 2023, 3:01 PM

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Why gyarados ?

woven rose Mar 28, 2023, 5:37 PM

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gritty cove if it's possible i would like to rate this team : https://pokepast.es/bc9014497f...

the only thing I can say about this is freeze dry eats up this team

manic pond Mar 28, 2023, 7:22 PM

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Oh he’s so right

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Bundle touches your team inappropriately

lost coral Mar 28, 2023, 9:21 PM

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Hey guys, could y’all rate this team? I want to see if it’s ok to use in series C which allows Chien Pao and the other ruins treasure legendary Pokémon to be used.

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Here is a screenshot of my team

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eager crag Mar 29, 2023, 3:31 AM

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2 things
1: Tera
2: Battery

static mountain Mar 29, 2023, 7:07 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a8e1f3a1361faada

What could I add as the last mon on this team?
(It's a team for regulation C btw)

drifting onyxBOT Mar 29, 2023, 7:07 AM

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static mountain Mar 29, 2023, 7:10 AM

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static mountain https://pokepast.es/a8e1f3a1361faada What could I add as the last mon on this t...

or what other changes should I consider

gritty cove Mar 29, 2023, 10:26 AM

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woven rose the only thing I can say about this is freeze dry eats up this team

Yeah bundle is a problem, that's why garganacl have body press, it's 1 hit KO after 1 salt cure with this set, anyway what would you suggest to improve this matchup further?

manic pond Mar 29, 2023, 11:49 AM

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gritty cove Yeah bundle is a problem, that's why garganacl have body press, it's 1 hit KO af...

Can’t it just hydro pump you?

gritty cove Mar 29, 2023, 1:33 PM

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manic pond Can’t it just hydro pump you?

It could, but with tera and ting lu it 3hko maximum

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But it isn't optimal at all

manic pond Mar 29, 2023, 1:34 PM

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Got it

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 5:18 PM

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How do you beat indeedee armarouge core

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https://pokepast.es/a3b74a4f5c55c620

drifting onyxBOT Mar 29, 2023, 5:23 PM

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sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 5:23 PM

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Would there be something I can change to help cover it better

rocky reef Mar 29, 2023, 5:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7fa37b55986081b3 how does this look for next season

rocky reef Mar 29, 2023, 5:35 PM

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sterile flame How do you beat indeedee armarouge core

if i had to guess tera ground tusk eq and tailwind to support

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 5:36 PM

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That lead works really well but tera grass shuts it all down as well

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I suppose ice spinner would work but then I’m locked in

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Maybe I go life orb instead of choice band?

honest burrow Mar 29, 2023, 5:38 PM

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sterile flame Maybe I go life orb instead of choice band?

That’s an idea, could also taunt or fake out

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 5:38 PM

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Well psychic terrain

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What move would I take off talon flame for taunt

rocky reef Mar 29, 2023, 5:39 PM

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will o

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 5:41 PM

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🫡

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 5:44 PM

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rC, stuck between these two variants but it could be possible ive missed a key mu to prep for
https://pokepast.es/82e22cfe4e7a36c2
https://pokepast.es/7f8a80793a856604

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can explain any spreads that are non-standard

honest burrow Mar 29, 2023, 5:58 PM

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sterile flame What move would I take off talon flame for taunt

Honestly, dark types also would work wonders

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:02 PM

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sterile flame Would there be something I can change to help cover it better

you could add a ruin or dark type to the team, ot have some more specially defensive Pokemon
Ice Spinner on mons like Dragonite also work

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:04 PM

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rocky reef https://pokepast.es/7fa37b55986081b3 how does this look for next season

I would probably looks at some rental teams, I think some of the core ideas are ok, but the Pokemon choices aren't that great

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:08 PM

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novel wraith can explain any spreads that are non-standard

Actually looks quite solid! I think you might have a bit of problems against Ting-Lu/special bulks in general since Hands is your only physical attacker. I also don't think you really need TR on this core, as you're running tons of generally fast mons, and Hands/Sus mushroom generally work ok without TR

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 9:19 PM

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winter gulch you could add a ruin or dark type to the team, ot have some more specially defen...

So ting Lu over great tusk

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:21 PM

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That could work, I would probably replace Dragalge in place of your indeedee-Armarouge check

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I would also consider Icy Wind > Aurora Veil on Bundle, and you could consider adding Aurora Veil on Abomasnow. Also I would go Lorb 3 Attack or Sash 3 attack on Tusk instead of Band

sterile flame Mar 29, 2023, 9:26 PM

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Dragalge is my check for amoonguss and tatsu dondozo

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Tera flying plus safety goggles allows me to check volcarona too

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:39 PM

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winter gulch Actually looks quite solid! I think you might have a bit of problems against Ti...

chi yu is actually pretty slow here and is really helpful vs the faster flutterfish cores, not to mention farig + amoong just farms every dozo mu alone so thats why i have it here. theres also the fact that farig has armor tail which just really helps in those dnite pao mus that are funnily common with dozogiri, so it just ends up pairing well nicely

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:40 PM

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haha yeah I agree, your team is quite solid already

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I like always having the TR option, but yeah Ting Lu might be a bit tough

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:40 PM

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yeah ting lu is really the mu ive been trying to figure out

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other than sun but thankfully ive seen it 3 times (i do want practice in that mu tho bc lillikoal isnt fun lol)

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:44 PM

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I think for LilliKoal you just need to figure out the lines, I think Chi-Yu does quite well in that MU, Hands and Guss can support relatively well (might need to tera on mushroom though)

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:44 PM

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yeah its a line im gonna have to figure out with experience

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:44 PM

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novel wraith yeah ting lu is really the mu ive been trying to figure out

Its just that you have 4/5 SpA attackers and only one Physical attacker

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:45 PM

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yeah true LOL

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although i dont really consider amoong a special attacker tbh

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its amazing 13% damage to everything

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im also just unsure what tera type to run on chi yu and bundle?

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(and if i should run encore or hydro)

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bc i like both options but neither is perfect

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:51 PM

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personally I would go with Hydro (Tera Ghost is good, Water works as well)
Ghost Chi-Yu is solid too, could also run something defensive like Water or something offensive like Fire as well

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:54 PM

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i had water or grass for chi yu but grass was bc of dozo and ting lu struggling much more to touch chi yu

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esp dozo since it means i dont need to always have farig ready to tank

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bundle tera water is purely for damage

winter gulch Mar 29, 2023, 9:54 PM

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Ghost is so annoying on Chi-Yu, can't Fake Out or Espeed, removes the Fighting weakness too

novel wraith Mar 29, 2023, 9:58 PM

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ye

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im often playing around it

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it just doesnt work too well here annoyingly

lost coral Mar 30, 2023, 9:48 PM

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eager crag 2 things 1: Tera 2: Battery

Do you mean that I should change the tera types of certain Pokémon on my team?

novel wraith Mar 30, 2023, 9:55 PM

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yes

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also drop dpulse on tatsu, even 2 dracos do more damage

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97.5 average > 85

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even 3 is barely less (79.44444)

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and u can always switch

eager crag Mar 30, 2023, 11:55 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7eac09274db7072e

drifting onyxBOT Mar 30, 2023, 11:55 PM

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eager crag Mar 30, 2023, 11:55 PM

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Anyone have any recommendations for the last Pokemon

slate escarp Mar 30, 2023, 11:56 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059653209678950460/1091018520399204422/IMG_1026.png?width=566&height=910

eager crag Mar 30, 2023, 11:56 PM

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Oh

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sorry

slate escarp Mar 30, 2023, 11:57 PM

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its ok reading is hard

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why would anyone read the rules

eager crag Mar 30, 2023, 11:58 PM

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Yeah

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But I did figure out what should be the last pokemon

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https://pokepast.es/2e323b984822e3f1

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Also There' this team that has yet to be rated (for some reason, I've like posted twice and it's been ignored)

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https://pokepast.es/2b00d2b25af25483

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:52 AM

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people arent always free or have different timezones, be patient

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it hadnt even been 20min my guy

manic pond Mar 31, 2023, 12:25 PM

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eager crag https://pokepast.es/2b00d2b25af25483

What are you trying to accomplish

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Like

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Chi yu is there for like no reason

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You have tatsugiri with no dozo

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You have surf

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Which isn’t a good move

cursive mason Mar 31, 2023, 12:33 PM

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novel wraith also drop dpulse on tatsu, even 2 dracos do more damage

Tbf dpulse is nice because it’s one of the only decent moves tatsu has that can’t miss

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 1:36 PM

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cursive mason Tbf dpulse is nice because it’s one of the only decent moves tatsu has that can’...

true but just run hh tbh

bold creek Mar 31, 2023, 4:11 PM

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iron thorns

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made

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:40 PM

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manic pond What are you trying to accomplish

Let me explain,

Chi yu is basically just there for max offense

Tatsugiri and Dragapult is the main gimmick of the team, with Surf boosting Tatsugiri, who destroys everything

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:41 PM

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novel wraith it hadnt even been 20min my guy

No I posted the TATSUGIRI SUPREMACY team like a week ago

manic pond Mar 31, 2023, 8:42 PM

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Lower special attack on dragapult

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Make it physical

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Actually hold up

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That’s a cool idea

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But the Pokémon can be better

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Taking flame tatsugiri and dragapult are a cool core

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:43 PM

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sometimes teams are missed thanks to the high amount of rate requests, although this is uh

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different

manic pond Mar 31, 2023, 8:43 PM

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But your other three moms seem out of place

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:44 PM

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Wo chien and Sylveon is also kind of a combo

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Basically Wo chien just makes sure sylveon lives as long as possible

cursive mason Mar 31, 2023, 8:46 PM

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Solo tatsu is just not really worth using

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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This team is basically me making a way to make Tatsugiri good without Dondozo

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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pair it with dozo

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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Hence the name of the team, "TATSUGIRI SUPREMACY (Regulation C edition)

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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but u dont have to bring it every game

cursive mason Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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Gastro is a way better storm drain mon

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:47 PM

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pair it with chi yu if needed or something idk

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^

cursive mason Mar 31, 2023, 8:48 PM

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And there are better special waters

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:49 PM

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Did non of you beside urmother read what dragapult and Tatsugiri do

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 8:51 PM

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we did

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its just bad lol

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theres not really a way to put it

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other than unviable

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its way too slow for reg c and way too frail to be consistent

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 8:52 PM

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novel wraith its way too slow for reg c and way too frail to be consistent

Four words, choice scarf

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 9:03 PM

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thats not the point

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and its still way too slow even with scarf

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because this metagame is filled with 205 sashes, espeed, booster energies etc

cursive mason Mar 31, 2023, 9:11 PM

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Tatsu is kinda paper thin on the phys side so it’ll probably fold to dnite

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Booster bundle will also give the strat huge issues, and prob any team with decent water/dragon resists

lost coral Mar 31, 2023, 9:38 PM

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novel wraith yes

What tera types do you recommend? The only tera type I’m not changing is Dondozo being tera dragon because that allows it to get stab on its order up move and resist grass and electric types which it’s normally weak to

eager crag Mar 31, 2023, 9:54 PM

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cursive mason Booster bundle will also give the strat huge issues, and prob any team with dece...

For Dragonite, I usual opt for the other two (Wo-chien and Sylveon) and one burn and it's done for, Bosster Bundle is actually not too big of a problem with tailwind up, mostly because of how frail specially it is and the fact that most my team is special attackers

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 9:59 PM

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lost coral What tera types do you recommend? The only tera type I’m not changing is Dondozo...

honestly order up isnt even good anymore so id probably drop it personally and find a more suitable type for the meta like poison or grass

lost coral Mar 31, 2023, 10:13 PM

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novel wraith honestly order up isnt even good anymore so id probably drop it personally and f...

But order up boosts attack if tatsugiri is inside Dondozo

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So even if dondozo gets hazed, it can boost its attack and still hit hard

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But I guess I can try tera grass because I hate having Dondozo get put to sleep with spore

novel wraith Mar 31, 2023, 10:25 PM

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doesnt matter

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your boosts already do enough while order up makes so little progress, and if u get hazed u lose either way

covert hill Apr 1, 2023, 5:09 PM

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hi

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can anyone rate this team?

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https://pokepast.es/050b7e8772592e50

drifting onyxBOT Apr 1, 2023, 5:09 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 5:30 PM

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covert hill https://pokepast.es/050b7e8772592e50

Looks nice, I would consider Aerial Ace for some Flying STAB (since you don't have Flying Tera Blast)
You could also consider Haze on Palafin and add Protect on Amoonguss (personal preference)

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Besides that I think it looks solid

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(Also idk if Tera Dark is the best for Chien Pao)

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 5:31 PM

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some nitpicks of mine would be a bulkier spread on specs flutter and tera ghost chien

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 5:32 PM

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^ yeah I can agree with that

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 5:32 PM

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since specs means no protect no sash or booster for the pao or faster stuff mu, id rather have u tank some hits than speed tie chien pao whos gonna sucker anyways

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and tera ghost is just fake out and fighting immunity for hands, nothing complicated, you keep your sash in tact

north rain Apr 1, 2023, 5:50 PM

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can someone give me their opinion about this team ? https://pokepast.es/b2484a635dd0dd55

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 5:54 PM

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I could probably rate this but I would recommend https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1059655497587888158

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 7:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b27fc92f7e33607e

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@winter gulch

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hmm wait my chi yu calcs are a bit messed up

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Chi-Yu @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 36 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Heat Wave
Dark Pulse
Snarl
Tera Blast

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should be this

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outspeeds 252 neutral nature dnite, ohkoes 252 hp palafin with tera grass blast all the time

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rest in bulk

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stail ohkoes 252 hp roaring moon all the time

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palafin outspeeds iron hands that is under tailwind and lives 2 sash flutter moonblasts

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goth lives 2 scarf chi yu heat waves and takes 2 252+ iron hands wild charges

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hands is adamant to ohko amoong with tera fire fire punch at +2

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yea that should be it

manic pond Apr 1, 2023, 8:58 PM

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lost phoenix https://pokepast.es/b27fc92f7e33607e

I lowkey really fuck with this team

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You may want to consider saved chi yu and specs flutter mane

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 8:59 PM

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lost phoenix <@543549395195658240>

How do I miss your team every time LOL

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:01 PM

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winter gulch How do I miss your team every time LOL

its fine lmao (lowkey was about to mention it in doucord but i didnt wanna sound mean or impatient)

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 9:01 PM

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Haha no worries, my bad

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We were just talking about it, electric move somewhere to help with Palafin/Gyarados could be nice

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Seems a bit hard to remove those rn

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:01 PM

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prob on flutter

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since its sash

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or could do goggles tpunch on hands

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 9:03 PM

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lost phoenix or could do goggles tpunch on hands

Yeah that's solid

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:03 PM

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then could do like wiki goth

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or just sitrus

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i think wiki is better for how many benchmark i put that it just

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slightly lives

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 9:04 PM

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Yeah if you can EV it out Wiki is very solid

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Also I love Tera Fire Hands

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:04 PM

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fire is awesome

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pokepast.es/10bdee29373ba886 to make sure it doesnt ping

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this works i suppose?

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 9:05 PM

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Yeah I was talking to NeilVGC the other day, Burn/Fairy resist is so nice

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Burn resist, fairy resist, ice resist, fire resist

winter gulch Apr 1, 2023, 9:06 PM

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lost phoenix pokepast.es/10bdee29373ba886 to make sure it doesnt ping

I like this a lot eeveon1Love

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:06 PM

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Only actual downside is you dont get to run tera grass

lost phoenix Apr 1, 2023, 9:07 PM

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winter gulch I like this a lot <:eeveon1Love:898217455405654036>

Tyyy

bleak robin Apr 2, 2023, 12:40 AM

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so i just did a vgc series 2 draft and I need help with building sets for my mons, if anyone would like to help please reply here or dm asap!

https://pokepast.es/1cc0018bc465dddc

drifting onyxBOT Apr 2, 2023, 12:40 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

eager crag Apr 2, 2023, 5:05 AM

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bleak robin so i just did a vgc series 2 draft and I need help with building sets for my mon...

I can't really help with any of these pokemon, except for Talon. Covert cloak and Gale wings. Moves: Brave bird, Flare Blitz, Tailwind, and either Will-o-wisp or Protect. Basically, You use talon for priority Tailwind.

winter gulch Apr 2, 2023, 5:06 AM

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Draft is one of those things where you need to prep specifically for the team you are playing against

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ngl your team is kinda stacked, but I'm not sure if we can help you here :(

eager crag Apr 2, 2023, 5:08 AM

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drifting onyx New VGC RMT <@263732913487478784>, <@794709179083784274>, <@543549395195658240>,...

Is this a new April Fools think or is this permenent

winter gulch Apr 2, 2023, 5:11 AM

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eager crag Is this a new April Fools think or is this permenent

Chatot bot has been here for a couple months now lol

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although it seems like we've made it an official Discord bot now which is cool

eager crag Apr 2, 2023, 5:13 AM

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winter gulch Chatot bot has been here for a couple months now lol

No the new nickname "Supreme Ruler Chatot"

bold creek Apr 2, 2023, 12:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cca71ed5b6f92b08

drifting onyxBOT Apr 2, 2023, 12:41 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bold creek Apr 2, 2023, 12:42 PM

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Hey everyone Im looking for someone opinion on this team I think Krookidile is really solid considering its coverage but sometimes the overall team lacks damage I was wondering If anyone could suggest a way I can improve it?

north rain Apr 2, 2023, 5:26 PM

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How shoud I finish this team ? Can anyone help ? https://pokepast.es/b660e6089c0d4e53

shrewd horizon Apr 2, 2023, 7:19 PM

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north rain How shoud I finish this team ? Can anyone help ? https://pokepast.es/b660e6089c0...

pulsar kelp Apr 3, 2023, 2:44 AM

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any feedback for this team? https://pokepast.es/0d46cff71a076d43

drifting onyxBOT Apr 3, 2023, 2:44 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

heady kiln Apr 3, 2023, 3:17 AM

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pulsar kelp any feedback for this team? <https://pokepast.es/0d46cff71a076d43>

power herb sky attack + acro seems pretty bad compared to like sharp beak or life orb brave bird

pulsar kelp Apr 3, 2023, 5:32 AM

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I tried to come up with something that can live a hit without dying from recoil immediately

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 3:34 PM

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azumarill is so good

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this meta

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 3:37 PM

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pulsar kelp any feedback for this team? <https://pokepast.es/0d46cff71a076d43>

Maybe switch annihilapefor garchomp that works in trickroom and have murkrow for braviary

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also terra flying chien pao

sacred current Apr 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

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https://pokepast.es/cb42458112162cb1
Some people said that scarf espathra is bad because of speed boost doing the job with one protect, but imo it's better to be speedy t1, because Iron Bundle or another offensive threat on my team will be in danger from another attack if espathra protects. double prot will waste my next protect turn, so it's a no too (especially when dragapult makes such a big comemack). That's why I need to hit fast in the first turn.

drifting onyxBOT Apr 3, 2023, 5:06 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

covert hill Apr 3, 2023, 6:48 PM

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hello everyone

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I was testing a new team

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I wasn't feeling it for the last one

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but I'm not rlly sure about this one

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it just feels weird

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can y'all tell them what u think

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https://pokepast.es/b4cb1b815b38ae37

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 6:52 PM

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anyone playing the online comptetition thing

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imma do it for fun

covert hill Apr 3, 2023, 6:52 PM

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bold creek anyone playing the online comptetition thing

I'm gonna try it but I'm still building a team

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 6:52 PM

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Ye

covert hill Apr 3, 2023, 6:52 PM

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but what ya think of my team

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 6:52 PM

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My team is just Dnite chien pao balance

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With azu

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Palifin Sometimes doesnt do enough damage

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Also @covert hill Maybe switch specs flutter for life orb with perish song and choice band on dragapult and u turn

covert hill Apr 3, 2023, 7:00 PM

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mmm

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but in that case

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what do item do I use on flutter mane?

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 7:03 PM

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life orb

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or

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Kings rock lolololololol

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For wayne a flutter mane was holding kings rock

covert hill Apr 3, 2023, 7:04 PM

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ok I've made a couple of changes

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https://pokepast.es/9b60f7fbb57e421d

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what do u think of it now?

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 7:49 PM

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better

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Maybe remove snarl

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Because the most prevelant SpA are chi yu and flutter and iron bubdle and glimmora

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However most of your pokemon alr check them

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Anyone wanna do a b03?

bold creek Apr 3, 2023, 9:45 PM

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for my team I have espeed cause it synergised well withchien pao and also My SpD pokemon is azu and not ting lu

frail coyote Apr 3, 2023, 11:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9697b5c000740bbd Noivern is a pokemon I love that I wanna make work. I could sway it out with Corviknight I GUESS but i wanna make this work. Can anyone give me any pointers to improve?

drifting onyxBOT Apr 3, 2023, 11:45 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

frail coyote Apr 3, 2023, 11:47 PM

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tera water because I want chi-yu to live through a jet punch to fire off another

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 11:35 AM

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shugarshock

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noivern should have boomburst with tera normal

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also switch hurricane for flamethrower to hit steel types

frail coyote Apr 4, 2023, 11:47 AM

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You think that normal boomburst is more important than a quick switch in U-turn?

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I originally ran boomburst, but I saw that some pults were using u-turn and I was tempted to try that

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 12:18 PM

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Pivoting moves are usually better on defensive teams or slow Pokémon

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Ye

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Anyone wanna do A b03?

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:38 PM

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bold creek noivern should have boomburst with tera normal

no it shouldnt be

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boomburst not only damages ur allies but is just not worth in a flutter meta so tera steel is perfectly fine here

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do i think uturn is good here? no, protect is necessary imo since you are still doing damaeg

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but boomburst actively hurts your allies if flutter isnt on the field

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:47 PM

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Tbf the main reason to use noivern is because of boomburst

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:47 PM

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no its not

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:47 PM

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Base 140

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Then why else would you use it?

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Tailwind use talonflame

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:47 PM

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its fast tailwind + draco in 1 slot

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frisk is an extra bonus

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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Salamence can also do that

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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not fast

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but anyway

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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meh

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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PLEASE READ THE RULES

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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Whats the rules

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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.

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:48 PM

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oh

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my bad

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:49 PM

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#1030567099703242903 message

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:49 PM

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I Said it on the wrong server

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:49 PM

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nw

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:49 PM

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bold creek Anyone wanna do A b03?

but its moreso for up here, youll want #comp-general or the vgc server (which is linked in the vgc room)

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 1:50 PM

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https://discord.gg/68DZYdvT

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I am at school (and cannot rate atm, rip)

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:50 PM

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oh

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yhanks

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:50 PM

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frail coyote https://pokepast.es/9697b5c000740bbd Noivern is a pokemon I love that I wanna ma...

you lack a defensive backbone, make garchomp av ting lu with tera poison and drop bundle for gyarados if ur using noivern as ur tw mon. id also make noivern probably tera blast over hurricane since theres not that many mons that are hit by hurricane for se damage that you care about (amoonguss is the only one and thats covered by chi yu).

ill let eeveon do the rest since im unsure where else to go from here but thats probably the minimum rn

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oh i forgot make amoonguss tera water

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 1:51 PM

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That sounds like a ton of Bundle Food

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:51 PM

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true

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but this team is mostly that anyway

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 1:51 PM

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Tera Water Amoonguss is the best imo

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:51 PM

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lol

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Yes

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tera water is just good

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Anyone doing the online competition?

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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one thing i did notice tho is that theres 0 protect mons, so idt that chi yu even wants specs here

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Im doing ghe under 16 cause Im yooooung

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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novel wraith one thing i did notice tho is that theres 0 protect mons, so idt that chi yu eve...

ok that is a crime

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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again, #comp-general

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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Guys

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I certified hate

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chi yu

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 1:52 PM

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You need protect to pivot and position your mons

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#comp-general

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 1:53 PM

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true

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 1:53 PM

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novel wraith one thing i did notice tho is that theres 0 protect mons, so idt that chi yu eve...

i lied, amoong and bundle have it but its needed on like half the mons here minimum

frail coyote Apr 4, 2023, 2:26 PM

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novel wraith you lack a defensive backbone, make garchomp av ting lu with tera poison and dro...

Thank you for your analysis! I’m fairly new at this, and it’s great feedback. I just have a few questions:

Can you explain what you mean when you say “make garchomp av ting-lu”? Do you mean swap one out for the other?
2.Why Gyarados over Iron Bundle? Genuinely curious.
I get the need for protect, and I can definitely adapt and add the move to more of my team. Are there other ways to cover myself defensively?

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 2:33 PM

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novel wraith but anyway

The sass is crazy

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Noivern is not very good

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 2:33 PM

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lol fr

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 2:33 PM

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There are better tailwind mons

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The only thing you would use noivern fornis boom burst draco and tailwind

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 2:37 PM

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@frail coyote https://pokepast.es/2a5ae9e77db52127

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My improvements

honest burrow Apr 4, 2023, 2:37 PM

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I want to make a ting Lu tr team, but idk what to use

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 2:38 PM

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ting lu crazyy💀

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 2:53 PM

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honest burrow I want to make a ting Lu tr team, but idk what to use

Make it then

woven rose Apr 4, 2023, 3:03 PM

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honest burrow I want to make a ting Lu tr team, but idk what to use

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1059704283072831499/1092166368863981578/Screenshot_20230402-211808_Discord.jpg

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 3:51 PM

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That rule lowkey goofy

honest burrow Apr 4, 2023, 3:51 PM

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Idk where to start, I was sending that message as a sort of “would anyone help me?”

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:05 PM

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manic pond That rule lowkey goofy

We don't have time to help a ton of people build/complete teams

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~~I'm also garbage at making teams~~

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:06 PM

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honest burrow Idk where to start, I was sending that message as a sort of “would anyone help m...

Ting Lu is quite the popular ruin, I would check the VGCPastes spreadsheet, they have all the OTS' for regionals teams and just a big sample to search and get inspiration from

lost phoenix Apr 4, 2023, 4:06 PM

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(eeveon loves lying)

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:07 PM

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I actually just called Ting Lu a restricted 💀

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 4:11 PM

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manic pond The only thing you would use noivern fornis boom burst draco and tailwind

again, boomburst is not good in doubles

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:11 PM

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I think its ok, but you need actual synergy to use it (ghosts/soundproofs)

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Might as well just use Hyper Voice if you don't have synergy

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its the same with Tusk, EQ isn't always the best if you can't prevent yourself from taking damage from it

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:12 PM

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lost phoenix (eeveon loves lying)

I do not smh

lost phoenix Apr 4, 2023, 4:14 PM

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winter gulch I do not smh

you have called yourself shit multiple times

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(lies)

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 4:15 PM

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frail coyote Thank you for your analysis! I’m fairly new at this, and it’s great feedback. I ...

i mean change garchomp to ting lu and give it assault vest. gyara over bundle is more of a change to combat physical mons but u can maybe keep it if u want and are confident you can defensively hold youself. as for other defensive possibilities idt u really need them bc these changes would make your defensive backbone incredible, but again it then invalidates the need to run noivern.

personally im just struggling to make a team like this work bc noivern is just in that awkward spot of too frail and too slow for anything other than series 1 while taking up a major slot

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:16 PM

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Yeah Noivern wasn't and hasn't exactly been meta in the VGC metagame

frail coyote Apr 4, 2023, 4:18 PM

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Man…maybe I’ll switch it for corvi

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I think you could maybe make it works? it has a decently fast Tailwind which is nice, but it does in fact get farmed by Flutter and Bundle. Maybe Sash Tailwind/Protect/Flying STAB/Dragon STAB could work? (this assumes your Sash isn't on a better mon)

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 4:20 PM

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its rather partnering it up is the issue

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 5:03 PM

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winter gulch We don't have time to help a ton of people build/complete teams

But part of this is building a team

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And I think people should get help if they don’t know what the next step in their building process

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Idk man

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🤷‍♂️

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 5:04 PM

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I'm not obligated to help anyone here

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Its also called rate my team, not build my team

lost phoenix Apr 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

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You can use comp gen to build

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

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Like I can maybe give pointers if there's one mon missing, but I'm not here to complete half-finished teams

lost phoenix Apr 4, 2023, 5:05 PM

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And if people wanna help theyll help

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Its not raters job

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 5:06 PM

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I'm also not made of time lol, I do enjoy helping people (that's why I'm here) but I also can't do all of the work lol

frail coyote Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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And I do appreciate your time and help

north rain Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Can anyone give me any feedback for this team? https://pokepast.es/4a7f319adb8f287f

drifting onyxBOT Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Last thing, you can ping me anywhere if you need VGC help, but just not in the VGC Rates channel

frail coyote Apr 4, 2023, 5:08 PM

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Noivern is something I’m gonna keep working on

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But it’s nice to get more experienced players’ input

shrewd horizon Apr 4, 2023, 5:14 PM

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manic pond But part of this is building a team

my job is to help you improve your team, not to build it for you

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If i would do that you might as well use a sample team

manic pond Apr 4, 2023, 5:14 PM

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I was speaking in general not to you specifically

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✋

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Settle down

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I’m just saying it’d be helpful

shrewd horizon Apr 4, 2023, 5:17 PM

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Im speaking as a team rater

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which i would assume you were referring to?

shrewd horizon Apr 4, 2023, 5:22 PM

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winter gulch Ting Lu is quite the popular ruin, I would check the VGCPastes spreadsheet, they...

wow is that a self-plug?????? :p

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 6:58 PM

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I play chess

sand minnow Apr 4, 2023, 6:59 PM

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I used to play chess

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 6:59 PM

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@winter gulch What are your thoughts on azumarill?

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Niiiiiceeeeee

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 7:25 PM

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shrewd horizon wow is that a self-plug?????? :p

heck yeah

shrewd horizon Apr 4, 2023, 7:25 PM

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You got online and now pinged me like 10x in a minute lmao

winter gulch Apr 4, 2023, 7:33 PM

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bold creek <@543549395195658240> What are your thoughts on azumarill?

Solid, has a good type MU into the ruins

sharp aurora Apr 4, 2023, 7:37 PM

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What ya mates think of my team? I have been working on it for a while. psyconfused
https://pokepast.es/6339858e52dcf8c7

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 7:45 PM

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the team is very frail maybe have arcanine with snarl?

sharp aurora Apr 4, 2023, 8:17 PM

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bold creek the team is very frail maybe have arcanine with snarl?

Me?

bold creek Apr 4, 2023, 8:19 PM

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Ye

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I mean espatara aint good with all the dark types

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 8:48 PM

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manic pond I was speaking in general not to you specifically

its a public channel cope

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 8:50 PM

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sharp aurora What ya mates think of my team? I have been working on it for a while. <:psyconf...

you got the wrong channel i think lol, you want #1059653209678950460

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this is vgc

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also espathra and palafin are banned

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if its a vgc team then this wouldnt work anyway for s3

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i can help make it work for s3 if u give me a mon but otherwise its not for here

sharp aurora Apr 4, 2023, 8:52 PM

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novel wraith you got the wrong channel i think lol, you want <#1059653209678950460>

Where can I post for Palafin and Espathra?

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 8:52 PM

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what format is the team for?

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if you wanted to use them in vgc i can make it work

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but i need to know first

sharp aurora Apr 4, 2023, 10:23 PM

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novel wraith if you wanted to use them in vgc i can make it work

I just test my team in sv (game) that’s why Espathra and Palafin are in my team 😅

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 10:33 PM

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ah lol

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you might want help in #1060690402711183370 then

eager crag Apr 4, 2023, 10:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/156769393a6d4f00
Just a very offensive physical team, with amoongus support

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 10:40 PM

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replace phantom force with shadow claw, uturn, or tera blast here on ape, pao probably really wants sucker punch here, unsure on moon + tflame, and this team literally cant cope with flutterfish

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your best counterplay to it rn is like moon/chomp + tflame and thats still pretty volatile

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nor that reliable esp in the late-game

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i do like the idea of offensive tflame here tbf but it just doesnt do enough to carry the team in that mu

eager crag Apr 4, 2023, 10:45 PM

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novel wraith replace phantom force with shadow claw, uturn, or tera blast here on ape, pao pr...

I know this sounds weird but phantom force is the move I click the most. And flutter mane is not that big of a prob since this team is very fast (tailwind) and very physically offensive, and annihilape destroying it with phantom force

novel wraith Apr 4, 2023, 11:31 PM

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fair, its rather the flutterfish combo im thinking about here (esp sash flutter)

mint harness Apr 5, 2023, 2:28 PM

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Is this where I go to get teambuilding help?

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shrewd horizon Apr 5, 2023, 4:38 PM

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mint harness

this actually just gets 6-0d by ting-lu

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and its at like 30% usage

mint harness Apr 5, 2023, 4:41 PM

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That's my primary issue

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It generally does really well but can not handle ground at all

hidden path Apr 5, 2023, 5:12 PM

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v g c p a s t e s

rose owl Apr 5, 2023, 6:41 PM

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This I the team I'm using just now still new to competitive play looking for any tips to improve the team would be appreciated thanks

shrewd horizon Apr 5, 2023, 8:07 PM

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rose owl This I the team I'm using just now still new to competitive play looking for any...

Would recommend running terablast terasteel on pult (drop sucker or uturn)

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also you typod moongeist beam

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on flutter

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unless you know something that i dont lmao

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but overall it does look very frail and it makes the rk9 feel out of place

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you can consider murkrow so you dont lose to opposing priority tailwind

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and like sunny day krow with flut and chi-yu is just very solid

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oh and make flutter terafairy/steel, bundle chi-yu and chien-pao teraghost

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and i would try ice spinner chien-pao for more consistency though i can see the flinch being valuable

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 8:55 PM

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mint harness

this feels like u just made an s1 team and tbf itd be great there but not in s3

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 8:55 PM

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shrewd horizon also you typod moongeist beam

it does not get moongeist lol not even in bh or stab

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they meant to use moonblast

mint harness Apr 5, 2023, 8:56 PM

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novel wraith this feels like u just made an s1 team and tbf itd be great there but not in s3

So what can I change? I don't really know what i need to do

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 8:57 PM

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im personally not liking chi yu or bundle here tbh like i think replacing those two with palafin and ting lu (av or weakpol) would help you much more here

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itd also free up specs for flutter which then can abuse it much more safely since you have that anti-flutter/chi yu support from ting lu, dragapult, and palafin

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also in future use https://pokepast.es (theres a button at the bottom of the team for that, click it and copy that link)

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that being said for your first time building thats honestly not bad, just the two ideas clash and dozogiri kinda just bullies u

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https://pokepast.es/a98ea4e43e2e624c use this as your base and use both smogon and the damage calc to find specific spreads for the remaining mons

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esp with flutter thats important

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i can help u if needed ofc

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 9:15 PM

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hi everyone

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can someone rate this team?

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https://pokepast.es/8cb29e428820b368

drifting onyxBOT Apr 5, 2023, 9:15 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 9:38 PM

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@covert hill Would you prefer palifin or iron bundle?

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If palifin rid of kelfki and bundle

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if bundle rid of palifin and klefki

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:43 PM

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i think its rather the ideas clash again

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 9:44 PM

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bold creek <@293481328580493312> Would you prefer palifin or iron bundle?

I'd rather have iron bundle honestly but i need a fast physical attacker apart from pult and chien pao

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but u'r right

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But what would u use if u got rid of palafin?

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oh and I like iron bundle support

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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covert hill I'd rather have iron bundle honestly but i need a fast physical attacker apart f...

use priority then

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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the speed controll and encore is actually pretty useful

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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pao automatically pairs fantastically with it

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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that's why i like him

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 9:45 PM

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novel wraith use priority then

what mons have good priority?

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maybe arcanine

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what do u think?

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oh and I like klefki tbh

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I like having screen support to my offense

mint harness Apr 5, 2023, 9:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/028ad009c1ef8146

Asking again how to update this team for series 3

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:47 PM

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give me like 5min

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:47 PM

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mint harness https://pokepast.es/028ad009c1ef8146 Asking again how to update this team for s...

oh this one will need a full rework, armadee doesnt work in s3

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not properly anyway

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thats the real issue with the team tho is that u cant just "update" it sadly

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some teams u have to leave behind which sucks esp if uve done well with them or used them a lot

mint harness Apr 5, 2023, 9:48 PM

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Dang

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So whare do I start? Is kingambit still viable?

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 9:54 PM

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well

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its not that armourage is unviable

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its that you kinda have to tera it

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and have tera blast

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Also king gabut us gud but we wary of low kick Dnite

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 9:59 PM

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lkick dnite isnt common

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its eq/tantrum u fear

novel wraith Apr 5, 2023, 10:00 PM

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rose owl This I the team I'm using just now still new to competitive play looking for any...

https://pokepast.es/959d621f590852f0 try this, it does replace chi yu + bundle but gives u a much better defensive backbone as a result while making better use of flutter as a bulky special attacking nuke

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:01 PM

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I dont run Dragon claw On my Dnite

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I mean yes its stab but not too powerful and would much rather have coverage

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also low kick does stupid amounts of damage

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To like dondozo And since its uncommon u can snipe things like king gambit

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just make sure not to lead amoonguss to they immediately tera

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:10 PM

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I've made a few changes on the team

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what do u think of it now?

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https://pokepast.es/073929dd2e52b727

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:10 PM

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better

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but

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Do you want your team to be bulky offense

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or

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SPEEEED hyper offense?

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@covert hill

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:13 PM

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well I want speed hyper offense

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:13 PM

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Tikke

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Lemme make some changes

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and will send it back 2 u

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:13 PM

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but I've been thinking a lot and I like screens on this team

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:14 PM

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Screens r gud

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Pero

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Dragapult and chien pao wouldnt really fit

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Or well dragonite would be better really

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and Iron Hands

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Boutta throw some hands

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https://pokepast.es/6a3a7431a647e561

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BAM

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Bulky Squad

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@covert hill

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:20 PM

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bold creek https://pokepast.es/6a3a7431a647e561

seems good

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:20 PM

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Wait

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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wut

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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also change palifin

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Evs

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To 204 HP

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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oh yes

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makes sense

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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252 Atk

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52SPE

covert hill Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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since it's a bulky team

bold creek Apr 5, 2023, 10:21 PM

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Just some cald

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ALSO

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If u want

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change Dnite set to tailwind

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its your preference

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U can do banded Dnite ir Lim berry

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Also I aint no expert Si ask for other opinions as well

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 4:38 AM

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novel wraith it does not get moongeist lol not even in bh or stab

That was what i was saying lol

novel wraith Apr 6, 2023, 9:35 AM

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o mb

shy flare Apr 6, 2023, 11:28 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5c107de71a7b708f

drifting onyxBOT Apr 6, 2023, 11:28 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 11:30 AM

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Run sitrus amoonguss, wave crash > liquadation palafin make chi-yu scarf chien pao sash

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would also do haze > cc palafin for your dozo mu

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i would make amoonguss terawater and chien pao and chi-yu teraghost

mint harness Apr 6, 2023, 1:36 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d68d75e3011a9de0 I found this pokepaste i want to try but i'm not sure how to distribute EVs? I'm very new to competitive so i don't know what the team is meant to do

manic pond Apr 6, 2023, 2:35 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4487d0ecd937a00a

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 2:53 PM

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manic pond https://pokepast.es/4487d0ecd937a00a

This is basically just the ft wayne winning team except without the most important pokemon and with worse sets like hasty dragapult and teragrass amoonguss tbh

shy flare Apr 6, 2023, 3:56 PM

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shrewd horizon Run sitrus amoonguss, wave crash > liquadation palafin make chi-yu scarf chien p...

Why Sitrus?

winter gulch Apr 6, 2023, 4:07 PM

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Just a solid healing item, lets it stick around longer and live more double ups

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6ede0f0765283e65

@winter gulch any changes I should make?

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I tested the team a bit and got to around 1500 with a pretty good w/l

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I lost like 7 times but most were to hax

novel wraith Apr 6, 2023, 5:08 PM

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not eeveon but i personally like the team

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past tusk probably wanting support from tw (but is fine as is) idt a change is needed

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that is from a glance at least

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:14 PM

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thanks

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I'm just planning to get the team ingame and I want to make it the best it can be until I do

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:19 PM

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novel wraith past tusk probably wanting support from tw (but is fine as is) idt a change is n...

I brought tusk mainly for the sand MU if I get to fight that

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and also those fat teams with wo-chien + ting-lu ect

novel wraith Apr 6, 2023, 5:21 PM

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ye makes sense

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it helps a ton there

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:29 PM

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novel wraith it helps a ton there

the one question that I have, should I use indeedee or farigiraf?

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if I have indeedee I probably should drop ice spinner on tusk for like rock slide/knock off

manic pond Apr 6, 2023, 5:30 PM

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I don’t farigiraf does anything for the team specifically

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It usually used a TR setter

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Indeedee is probably better

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Or just something else

novel wraith Apr 6, 2023, 5:31 PM

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static mountain the one question that I have, should I use indeedee or farigiraf?

farig is better offensively + handles paonite better

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esp since pao runs spinner so often

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:32 PM

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manic pond I don’t farigiraf does anything for the team specifically

it is mainly for amoongus and priority

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 5:33 PM

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novel wraith farig is better offensively + handles paonite better

fair but indeedee does have follow me which could be handy

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for example it's amazing against dragapult

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which the team slightly struggles against as of now

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I think I will try both for a bit

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before I get the team ingame

novel wraith Apr 6, 2023, 5:37 PM

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static mountain for example it's amazing against dragapult

bundle threatens an ohko with fdry, no? tera steel is a little more awkward ye but u still ohko with hydro + beads over half the time

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theres also hh to secure

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and i think the better physical bulk + power + unremovable anti-prio is much better here than follow me

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Hmmmm not sure if this is where to ask but how is perish trap played? I want to make a hard perish trap team but I'm not sure how its played.

hidden path Apr 6, 2023, 6:08 PM

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too lazy to type so i asked chatgpt:

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Perish Trap is a popular strategy in the competitive Pokémon battling scene. The strategy revolves around the use of the move Perish Song, which causes all Pokémon on the field to faint after three turns. The goal is to trap the opposing Pokémon in battle by either forcing them to switch out or preventing them from doing so. This is achieved by using moves like Mean Look and Shadow Tag to trap the opponent's Pokémon on the field. Perish Trap teams are typically built around using Pokémon with the ability shadow tag. While the strategy can be effective, it requires careful planning and execution to pull off successfully. It is also important to note that Perish Trap strategies are generally not allowed in official Pokémon tournaments, making them more of a novelty in casual play.

static mountain Apr 6, 2023, 6:08 PM

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novel wraith bundle threatens an ohko with fdry, no? tera steel is a little more awkward ye b...

I did some testing and indeedee worked better than farigiraf in like every matchup

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but the great tusk is just dead weight most of the time

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I legit brought it in less than 5 times out of 40 battles in total

hidden path Apr 6, 2023, 6:09 PM

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frozen folio Hmmmm not sure if this is where to ask but how is perish trap played? I want to ...

also use either flutter, or scream

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gholdengo's your biggest counter when using perish trap so you need acounter for that

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 6:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/516dc11600860f4f i made this

drifting onyxBOT Apr 6, 2023, 6:14 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 6:15 PM

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Corv is for extra speed and eq immunity, garg and safety king are to try to brat spore, flutter is a fast strong perish songer, goth helps us stay alive. I didnt just want to copy wolfeys team but the perish trap idea was from him.

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Body press is to help deal with enemy kingambit

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Am i weak to iron hands?

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Or iron bundle? I was gonna use azu to resist bundle

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 6:30 PM

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frozen folio https://pokepast.es/516dc11600860f4f i made this

Tbh the team is too passive, corv goth scream tail and garg all do very little damage

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I would replace one of them with an attacker

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even like an offensively invested arcanine or gyarados works

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 6:31 PM

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I could replace corv with gyarados

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There is no vgc gyaracos smogon set

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:20 PM

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frozen folio There is no vgc gyaracos smogon set

Yeah it got a lot better from reg c instead of s2

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:21 PM

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Hmmm would gyarados be better or tail wind dnite

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:21 PM

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you can also run dnite though i dont think you need dnite

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Choice band dnite would solve your entire lack of damage output

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bcuz you just ohko stuff with terablast

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And its bulky enough with multiscale to be good on perish trap

winter gulch Apr 6, 2023, 7:22 PM

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frozen folio There is no vgc gyaracos smogon set

@shrewd horizon Do you want to get onto that? :)

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:22 PM

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Ye but bundle might end up being a problem unless tera electric thudner punch kills

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Cuz from what im seeing unless I got vesting kingambit bundle clicks hydro pump and just kills everything

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:23 PM

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winter gulch <@592270897839341589> Do you want to get onto that? :)

dm

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:24 PM

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shrewd horizon dm

Why dm?

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:24 PM

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was regarding smogon sets

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:24 PM

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Yeah?

winter gulch Apr 6, 2023, 7:25 PM

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I'm just joking around, its just that Robbie did all of the S2 sets (did an amazing job btw)

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We'll get some VGC sets up on Smogon in a bit

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:25 PM

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Ah i see

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But would offensive dnite be better? Id have to tera into electric to beat out bundle though

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:26 PM

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You look fine vs bundle tbh

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:26 PM

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Really?

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:26 PM

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yeah

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Just kinda hit it with spatks

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you arent that weak to hydro

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and dont let him encore you into a protect

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:27 PM

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Ah so banded e sped dnite could work

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:27 PM

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Like if you lead flutter goth

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You can just double spatk move

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And bundle is gone

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Oh wait

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Why doesnt your flutter have perish

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:28 PM

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It doesnt?

shrewd horizon Apr 6, 2023, 7:28 PM

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Having perish on both really makes for more flexibility

frozen folio Apr 6, 2023, 7:28 PM

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Its supposed to hold up

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Now dnite vs gyarados

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Which would be better

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https://pokepast.es/ab1315ff4e63c179 is this fine?

shrewd horizon Apr 7, 2023, 7:45 AM

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frozen folio https://pokepast.es/ab1315ff4e63c179 is this fine?

I personally think teraflying terablast dnite is stronger here but you can prob just see what works better in testing

hidden path Apr 7, 2023, 12:41 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bf2f9efde4156a06

drifting onyxBOT Apr 7, 2023, 12:41 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hidden path Apr 7, 2023, 12:42 PM

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saw freezai's video on offensive toxapex, decided to try it out in doubles

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might replace it

bold creek Apr 7, 2023, 1:19 PM

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lol

frail coyote Apr 7, 2023, 1:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/748bce558b647822
I have sadly put noivern to the side, but I’m trying this set out.

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I was thinking low kick on the kingambit to cover other dark types like the ruin Pokémon, but now I’m not sure if I wanna do assurance instead

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Or kowtow cleave

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Also unsure on the item choice but ya know how it is

hidden path Apr 7, 2023, 2:18 PM

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frail coyote https://pokepast.es/748bce558b647822 I have sadly put noivern to the side, but I...

NOO NOIVERN

sacred current Apr 7, 2023, 7:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d10b2e8fac2784fb
Finally a decent team (by me)

drifting onyxBOT Apr 7, 2023, 7:53 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sacred current Apr 7, 2023, 7:54 PM

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before you ask, crabominable is here to check amoonguss and ting-lu

bold creek Apr 7, 2023, 9:29 PM

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BOI

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u gotta change tera type

plain kestrel Apr 8, 2023, 12:01 AM

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How do I stop chi yu flutter mane from EATING my whole team 😭

eager crag Apr 8, 2023, 12:59 AM

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plain kestrel How do I stop chi yu flutter mane from EATING my whole team 😭

Priority tailwind and a fast pokemon that can kill either of them (depending on who you want dead) is usually my way of stopping them

arctic raptor Apr 8, 2023, 2:45 AM

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I have a trick room team that’s a good counter to that lead. Wide guard also helps because that lead often runs dazzling gleam/snarl or heat wave.

visual glacier Apr 8, 2023, 11:12 AM

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First time trying perish trap and first time building VGC
https://pokepast.es/eed8912f211d93aa

drifting onyxBOT Apr 8, 2023, 11:12 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

nimble plank Apr 8, 2023, 3:35 PM

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I honestly don't know what i'm doing i can feel that there's a lot to change but i just cant see it https://pokepast.es/c370473ba4f240eb

eager crag Apr 9, 2023, 5:42 AM

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visual glacier First time trying perish trap and first time building VGC https://pokepast.es/ee...

3 things

Teras: Sylveon should be Fire or Steel if it is a supporting pokemon, Gothitelle can use fairy or steel, and Amoonguss can should be Water
Not sure what Roaring moon is doing there, but Stomping Tantrum just confuses me more. I'd say Throat Chop or Crunch but again, not sure what it's there for
Why the F*** DOES FLUTTER MANE HAVE A FRIEND BALL

visual glacier Apr 9, 2023, 5:45 AM

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eager crag 3 things 1) Teras: Sylveon should be Fire or Steel if it is a supporting pokemon...

HOLY SH"T THATS WHY IT GETS 1 SHOTTED I PRESSED THE WRONG ITEM

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ITS SUPPOSE TO BE SASH

visual glacier Apr 9, 2023, 5:46 AM

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eager crag 3 things 1) Teras: Sylveon should be Fire or Steel if it is a supporting pokemon...

who can replace roaring moon ?

eager crag Apr 9, 2023, 5:46 AM

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visual glacier who can replace roaring moon ?

You dont have to replace it, im just not sure what it's purpose is

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like is it just more offensive pressure?

visual glacier Apr 9, 2023, 5:54 AM

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eager crag You dont have to replace it, im just not sure what it's purpose is

when i was making the team i was scared of terra grass stuff so i used acrobatics dragon dance terra flying on it

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and then stomping tantrum for the electric types

eager crag Apr 9, 2023, 5:54 AM

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visual glacier and then stomping tantrum for the electric types

makes sense

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Tho honestly the only common electric type (according to pikalytics) is Iron hands and your whole team destroys it

plain nebula Apr 9, 2023, 8:21 AM

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I built my first team and I wanna know how to improve my team

https://pokepast.es/2c875647c34b8225

drifting onyxBOT Apr 9, 2023, 8:21 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

covert hill Apr 9, 2023, 12:12 PM

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hi everyone

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does someone knows why I can't enter pokepaste?

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I wanted to share my team but I get an error saying

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"too many connections"

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Is it from pokepaste or my PC?

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anyways here's the team, can someone give me their opinion?

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Chien-Pao @ Life Orb
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ice
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Ice Spinner
Crunch
Sacred Sword
Protect

Dragonite (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Multiscale
Level: 50
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Dragon Claw
Extreme Speed
Rock Slide
Low Kick

Palafin (M) @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Wave Crash
Jet Punch
Haze
Protect

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Dazzling Gleam
Shadow Ball
Mystical Fire
Protect

Maushold-Four @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

Population Bomb
Helping Hand
Follow Me
Protect

Glimmora (F) @ Focus Sash
Ability: Toxic Debris
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature

Mortal Spin
Sludge Bomb
Power Gem
Spiky Shield

shrewd horizon Apr 9, 2023, 3:01 PM

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covert hill does someone knows why I can't enter pokepaste?

Its a problem with pokepaste rn not with you

honest burrow Apr 9, 2023, 5:16 PM

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Call me Chef Boyardee cuz I do be cooking like:

https://pokepast.es/create

plain nebula Apr 9, 2023, 5:16 PM

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It was just working yesterday what happened

winter gulch Apr 9, 2023, 5:17 PM

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honest burrow Call me Chef Boyardee cuz I do be cooking like: https://pokepast.es/create

cooking like a link that doesn't even work

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pokepaste is down

honest burrow Apr 9, 2023, 5:17 PM

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Lol

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Cooking

lost phoenix Apr 9, 2023, 5:23 PM

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@winter gulch if youre up can i dm you the team? for some reason my internet provider has a tough time with pastebin

winter gulch Apr 9, 2023, 5:23 PM

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sure

lost phoenix Apr 9, 2023, 5:23 PM

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and i dont wanna clog chat

honest burrow Apr 9, 2023, 5:49 PM

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honest burrow Cooking

Thoughts on this so far?

spiral shale Apr 9, 2023, 7:15 PM

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https://pastebin.com/GnHsYk6R

Pastebin

Garchomp @ Clear Amulet Ability: Rough Skin Level: 50 Tera Type:...

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honest burrow Apr 9, 2023, 8:53 PM

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honest burrow

What do you all think of this so far?

bold creek Apr 9, 2023, 10:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6c0fec961d2ea133

drifting onyxBOT Apr 9, 2023, 10:23 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bold creek Apr 9, 2023, 10:23 PM

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Thoughts on this team?

covert hill Apr 9, 2023, 10:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7031d537a77322f0

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thoughts on this team?

bold creek Apr 9, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Arcanune dont fit with dondozo teams

covert hill Apr 9, 2023, 11:01 PM

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so what do I use on arcanine's place?

covert hill Apr 9, 2023, 11:20 PM

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I was thinking about a physical attacker

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not sure tho

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what do u think?

storm halo Apr 10, 2023, 1:25 AM

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https://pastebin.com/JbDVb2vb this is my very niche team. is there a way to improve this further?

Pastebin

Gen 9 VGC 2023 Regulation C - Pastebin.com

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hidden path Apr 10, 2023, 4:45 AM

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@winter gulch any tips?
https://pokepast.es/66f6cd9a5f269e7a

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 4:47 AM

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No idea what Magnezone does that Hands doesn't, your physical special split really favors Physical (gets intim spammed and wisped and walled by physical walls), and Barraskewda and Palafin do like the same thing
Would add a bit more type diversity to help cover your weaknesses a bit more (kinda weak to fighting/ground), you also want protect on more things to help you pivot

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Protect on Pao and remove Crunch, Volt Switch > Play Rough

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Also you have no Flutter resist, which might be ok with your priority + speed control but that's still a bit risky since they might have sun or TW/Redirection to overrun that

hidden path Apr 10, 2023, 5:37 AM

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k

storm halo Apr 10, 2023, 9:21 AM

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https://pokepast.es/79972e18da788692 @winter gulch how do I improve this

drifting onyxBOT Apr 10, 2023, 11:14 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

honest burrow Apr 10, 2023, 12:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d50326f00d416a43

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Cooking

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 10:58 PM

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Boutta burn down the kitchen

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:10 PM

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also complete teams pls

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:15 PM

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@winter gulch What do you think of Coloassal?

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I have been Using it with Dragapult surf weakness policy to great success

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:16 PM

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https://twitter.com/Eeveon7/status/1644326977745326081

Sapphire (@Eeveon7)

I am having too much fun in the IC

Likes

635

▶ Play video

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:16 PM

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But what Teamates could work well with the core?

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Ic Ez

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Got top 30 In it

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:16 PM

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I would not use Coal

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:17 PM

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Coal my beloved

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:17 PM

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it lost most of its best qualities

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no chip, no bulk, no flare

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:17 PM

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Ye tru

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But It can actually do alot of damage with heat wave and power gem and earth power

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Also weakness policy is ez To get off

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Also been trying stonjourner since it has a niche

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 11:18 PM

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The only reason that mon was good

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Was bc of dyanamax

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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true

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But there is now terra

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Coal now rests in piece

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Meaning

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It’s now doodoo

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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I mean I have a 10-0 Streak on showdown ladder right now

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With weakness policy surf

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Bc that’s wild and no one knows what to do

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😭

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Exactly

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 11:19 PM

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Lemme see

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The team

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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It would be good in b01

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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bruh

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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It go Fast

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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If you're cooking for the IC I don't care what you do

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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when is the next ic?

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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but if you're actually trying to play competitive Bo3 OTS I would not

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2 weeks

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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Bet

manic pond Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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Lemme see the team bridy

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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Imma make a coalossal team for it

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cause why not

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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winter gulch https://twitter.com/Eeveon7/status/1644326977745326081

Coal is good for twitter clout though

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:20 PM

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Fr

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IC Is easy

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I got top 30

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:21 PM

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yes bc juniors/seniors is easy

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:22 PM

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My brother got like top 100 or something in masters

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With Goofy palifin balance

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:23 PM

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I would know, I placed two years ago as a senior

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:23 PM

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bold creek With Goofy palifin balance

that's still Palafin Balance -_-

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:27 PM

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Ik

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Palifin balance is a pisstake

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https://pokepast.es/9138505fc0c909d7

drifting onyxBOT Apr 10, 2023, 11:27 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Also here is the coalossal team The spreads and move may be wrong since the team is on computer

winter gulch Apr 10, 2023, 11:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4711cb86a4692653
Here's the one I made, but again, would not recommend

bold creek Apr 10, 2023, 11:30 PM

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wo chien?

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lol

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Maybe coalossal Will be good in best of one

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Definitely Not good in best of 3

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Thats why Imma try it in ic

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The next one

manic pond Apr 11, 2023, 12:23 AM

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Why would you invest so much in pults special attack

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You dont wanna do so much damage to the coal

manic pond Apr 11, 2023, 12:25 AM

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bold creek Maybe coalossal Will be good in best of one

Lowkey

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Pala balance

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With pult and coal + chien pao

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Is the only way I see this working in any way

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That way you’re not forced to bring coal

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And it’s an option

winter gulch Apr 11, 2023, 12:37 AM

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manic pond Why would you invest so much in pults special attack

~~Because I do what I want~~
Because I'm exploding on them anyways, as long as I don't die its good
I EV'd it to KO no bulk Bundle 😎

manic pond Apr 11, 2023, 12:37 AM

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LMAO

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Explosion is bad but it’s especially bad in this format

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With all these ghosts types

winter gulch Apr 11, 2023, 12:38 AM

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yeah for sure

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I was just memeing in the IC bc I had nothing better to do over the weekend

cursive mason Apr 11, 2023, 2:56 AM

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There was someone in 1600s on reg c ladder with coal last I checked lol

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They have a pretty jank team, it’s like aqua jet dnite+scarf bruxish with LO surf pult and Chien pao cheempao

winter gulch Apr 11, 2023, 3:23 AM

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I played that team today

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I kinda destroyed them

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it might've been a different one though

fleet moss Apr 11, 2023, 5:19 AM

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Hi made this team for regulations C, want some opinions on it
https://pokepast.es/d3f3a223daea2c79

hidden path Apr 11, 2023, 6:45 AM

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sharp beak dragonite

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pretty sus

fleet moss Apr 11, 2023, 7:47 AM

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hidden path pretty sus

although with closed sheets, people will expect Extreme Speed Dragonite, and go for burn, only to be met with Hurricane

hidden path Apr 11, 2023, 11:42 AM

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lel

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ok ig

honest burrow Apr 11, 2023, 12:09 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b6f3c457662e6b06

drifting onyxBOT Apr 11, 2023, 12:09 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

honest burrow Apr 11, 2023, 12:10 PM

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All I need are evs and Teras, but what y’all’s think?

hidden path Apr 11, 2023, 12:54 PM

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ive been an avid ting lu hater ever since it hit 4 fissures on me IN A ROW

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but its fine ig

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very passive team\

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imo

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im not an expert tho

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i personally like havign 2 tr setters cuz if one screws up then the other gets it next turn

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even mimiku is rendered useless if both mons attack it

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mimikyu*

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its rare but just to be rteady

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bro my grammar degraded 💀

honest burrow Apr 11, 2023, 1:08 PM

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hidden path its rare but just to be rteady

Half my team has protect, and I doubt it’ll get 1 shot

honest burrow Apr 11, 2023, 1:09 PM

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hidden path very passive team\

How so?

honest burrow Apr 11, 2023, 1:40 PM

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Changed a move

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https://pokepast.es/2d7dc59e86187ce1

heady kiln Apr 12, 2023, 12:15 AM

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honest burrow https://pokepast.es/2d7dc59e86187ce1

your ape has both goggles and vital spirit

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 12:15 AM

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Meant to use defiant

heady kiln Apr 12, 2023, 1:21 AM

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it doesn't look like you have a reason to use trick room either besides torkoal

winter gulch Apr 12, 2023, 1:25 AM

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^ You don't have enough immediate TR offensive pressure to justify having a full TR team and two setters
Also your tera types need to be optimized as well. (Fire on Ape, Water on Amoonguss, Poison on Ting Lu)
Honestly Revival Blessing and Rabsca isn't really worth it on VGC or your team, the 50% heal isn't that great, especially on TR
I would run Lefties Ape, AV Ting Lu with Ruination, Stomping Tantrum, heavy Slam, +1 (Snarl, Fissure, Throat Chop)

novel wraith Apr 12, 2023, 1:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/ba7c19965140b8ee edited from last time, flutter was the weakest link and vivillon paired better with tusk than amoong

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it also solved my ting lu mu lol

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low ladder example while i reclimb https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023regulationc-1841806447

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(and yes, i lost all my teams)

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 11:18 AM

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winter gulch ^ You don't have enough immediate TR offensive pressure to justify having a full...

What if I changed annihilape for houndstone?

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 11:41 AM

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Or maybe I swapped ting Lu for something else? Maybe Azumarill? Or drop annihilape and Rabsca for Drifblim and iron hands?

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 12:01 PM

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Ting Lu and Rabsca both have 45 base speed, torkoal has 20, amoongus has 30, annihilape has 100, and mimyku has 96. 4 of those have speed under 50

Of those, the mons I have to sweep are mimyku, ting Lu, annihilape, and torkoal

winter gulch Apr 12, 2023, 12:07 PM

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and what I'm saying is you want more offensive pressure

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I think I showed you some of the TR teams I've been working on, the items and the mons are super offensive bc I need to make the most of my TR turns
Hatt, Tork, Kingambit, etc.
They need to deal a lot of damage in a short time; only Torkoal really does that

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Ape and Ting Lu kinda sit there and don't get kills immediately, and idk what Rabsca does tbh

hidden path Apr 12, 2023, 12:18 PM

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https://pokepast.es/691139cd8054f984 got a pretty solid win streak of 14-3 with this team

drifting onyxBOT Apr 12, 2023, 12:18 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hidden path Apr 12, 2023, 12:18 PM

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this team singlehandedly carried me to 1300

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not much but i think its good

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for a guy who has no idea on the metas or anything

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 12:28 PM

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winter gulch Ape and Ting Lu kinda sit there and don't get kills immediately, and idk what Ra...

K, hb dis, I swap Rabsca for hatt, and kingambit for ting?

hidden path Apr 12, 2023, 1:19 PM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/691139cd8054f984 got a pretty solid win streak of 14-3 with ...

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novel wraith Apr 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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be patient.

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they arent always free immediately

balmy valley Apr 12, 2023, 7:20 PM

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it looks like a normal team but there are some weird sets

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Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet -> Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Dark -> Water
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Rage Powder
Spore
Clear Smog
Pollen Puff -> Protect

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Arcanine Tera Fire -> Flying

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also idk what Volc is doing here over Chi-Yu

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Scarf Tatsu has Protect (should be muddy water)

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Avalanche on Dozo should be Substitute

winter gulch Apr 12, 2023, 9:52 PM

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What are those EVs calc'd for?

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they don't seem to be hitting bumps

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Fly Arc Flying?
Volc has a different role than Chi-Yu, but yeah I would recommend Chi-Yu in this context

winter gulch Apr 12, 2023, 9:54 PM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/691139cd8054f984 got a pretty solid win streak of 14-3 with ...

dw I went 24-4 to 1500 with the worlds weirdest team, could be worse LOL

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Your lack of ground resist is concerning, Would add something to help you against those

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Psyshock on Flutter is weird (idk what it does that dual stab doesn't), Avalanche is completely unnecessary on Dozo, (EVs are unoptimal), idk what Tera Grass does on Flutter, and you have Protect on a Scarf mon

honest burrow Apr 12, 2023, 10:15 PM

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@winter gulch thoughts on swapping ting Lu for kingambit on my team?

bold creek Apr 12, 2023, 11:33 PM

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Guys what would you think of this team?

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Palifin

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corviknight

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Amoonguss

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garchomp

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flutter mane

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Medichan

sand minnow Apr 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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PALAFIN OVERPOWERED POKEMON

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TOO OP PLS BAN

bold creek Apr 12, 2023, 11:34 PM

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Medichan Is the pokemon I wanted to build around As Although its niche I think it could work

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Couldnt agree more

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either u beat the villian or live long enough to see yourself become one

sand minnow Apr 12, 2023, 11:35 PM

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BEAT THE VILLIAN

balmy valley Apr 13, 2023, 3:32 AM

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Palafin isn't broken, far from it

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 3:39 AM

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can we not use this as a discussion channel, thanks
#comp-general #comp-general-2

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:26 AM

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balmy valley Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet -> Sitrus Berry Ability: Regenerator Level: 50 Tera...

rocky helmet to break chien pao's sash

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:29 AM

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balmy valley also idk what Volc is doing here over Chi-Yu

giga drain carried me through like 7 wins

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:30 AM

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winter gulch Psyshock on Flutter is weird (idk what it does that dual stab doesn't), Avalanch...

psyshock for amoongus

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eh its trash anyways imma change it

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:31 AM

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You have 2 fire types and a goggles mon

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You can hit it enough

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:31 AM

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yeah

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:31 AM

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Psyshocks not doing the damage you want anyways imo

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:31 AM

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true

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avalanche on dozo cuz of any grass type

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:32 AM

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Again

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:32 AM

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also a 120 bp move aint bad

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:32 AM

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You have 2 fire types

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You get +2 speed

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:32 AM

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also provides some ground coverage i guess

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yeah imma replace it

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:33 AM

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You're too worried about grass types

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:33 AM

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mhm

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cuz of this one match where a guy landed like 7 spores on my flutter and volc

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:33 AM

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That's just a positioning problem

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:33 AM

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i won but that scarred me

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best tera for dozo?

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its either steel or fire right?

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wait not fire

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grass

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@winter gulch should i replace flutter with draga

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just cause

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 4:39 AM

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Why

hidden path Apr 13, 2023, 4:40 AM

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why not

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 12:44 PM

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Update: more offensive pressure and Tera types added
https://pokepast.es/45f023260d3c7307

drifting onyxBOT Apr 13, 2023, 12:44 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

novel wraith Apr 13, 2023, 2:13 PM

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novel wraith https://pokepast.es/ba7c19965140b8ee edited from last time, flutter was the weak...

think this was missed fwiw but mb if it wasnt

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 3:38 PM

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honest burrow Update: more offensive pressure and Tera types added https://pokepast.es/45f023...

This got me so confused

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 3:41 PM

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manic pond This got me so confused

Lol that’s the point

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 3:41 PM

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No but

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It just don’t make sense

ornate vale Apr 13, 2023, 5:08 PM

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hey y'all did I cook or nah? (Ting-Lu also has heavy slam)

Screenshot_2023-04-13-19-07-54-51_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 5:19 PM

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can you share the paste link rather than a screenshot? Makes things easier to view

ornate vale Apr 13, 2023, 5:19 PM

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winter gulch can you share the paste link rather than a screenshot? Makes things easier to vi...

oh sure

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the team https://pokepast.es/82cc9149e8ede589

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 5:22 PM

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manic pond It just don’t make sense

https://pokepast.es/c3f5a200085c3c88 oops misclicked some moves

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 5:27 PM

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I'll get to them in a bit, can't view stuffs rn

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 5:29 PM

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👍 take your time

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 5:45 PM

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Ok

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Why do you iron ball on your tatsu?

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 5:59 PM

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Halves spe

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Makes it 39

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 6:02 PM

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I can't think of a scenario in which you would want Iron Ball Tatsu

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and I haven't even seen the team yet

ornate vale Apr 13, 2023, 6:19 PM

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winter gulch and I haven't even seen the team yet

https://pokepast.es/c3f5a200085c3c88 it's this one they're talking about

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 6:37 PM

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winter gulch I can't think of a scenario in which you would want Iron Ball Tatsu

It’s trick room

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But still

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And you don’t even have dozo

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Tatsu isn’t bulky enough to be good on its own

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I don’t understand Brody

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You’re gonna have to explain

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 6:59 PM

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I see

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 7:02 PM

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That’s not an explanation homie

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Explain your team

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So I can tell you why you’re WRONG

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😈

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 7:09 PM

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Would it be better to replace tatsu with either gastrodon or iron ball palafin?

shrewd horizon Apr 13, 2023, 7:10 PM

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honest burrow https://pokepast.es/c3f5a200085c3c88 oops misclicked some moves

Im gonna be honest, i would recommend just going with a sample team from vgcpastes, i can not make this team viable without tearing it apart completely

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 8:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/create

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Is this at all better?

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 8:32 PM

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definitely not since we can't see the paste lol

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 8:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/11d04c9516882788

drifting onyxBOT Apr 13, 2023, 8:32 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 8:32 PM

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That better?

winter gulch Apr 13, 2023, 8:33 PM

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Its a bit better but I would still recommend a sample team

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 8:34 PM

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I do like Rabsca + King, I feel like it genuinely has potential

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Arbolivia and iron hands are there to serve as tr sweepers, and palafin is there in case tr don’t work

balmy valley Apr 13, 2023, 9:29 PM

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https://pokepast.es/17fa3c4bcc6791e2

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idk about tera grass palafin

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could be water or poison

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 10:17 PM

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honest burrow Arbolivia and iron hands are there to serve as tr sweepers, and palafin is there...

Arboliva isn’t strong enough to sweep and iron hands isn’t either without swords dance

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Lowkey

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Sample team

honest burrow Apr 13, 2023, 11:27 PM

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manic pond Arboliva isn’t strong enough to sweep and iron hands isn’t either without swords...

I use something else instead of arbolivia

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I’ll switch to SD

manic pond Apr 13, 2023, 11:28 PM

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Bro what’s the idea behind the team

honest burrow Apr 14, 2023, 1:25 AM

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manic pond Bro what’s the idea behind the team

Trick room with Rabsca and kingambit

manic pond Apr 14, 2023, 1:38 AM

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Ok

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Why

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Tf

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Are you using rabsca

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 4:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/71917d4b30bc82bc

drifting onyxBOT Apr 14, 2023, 4:54 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 4:54 AM

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oop didnt mean to put psyshock

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meant power gem

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i dont like maus and ape

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not fun to use

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might switch

honest burrow Apr 14, 2023, 11:01 AM

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manic pond Are you using rabsca

Bringing a Pokémon back with rabsca’s Revival Blessing and having it die again adds to the counter for Kingambit’s Supreme Overlord ability, I’ve said this like 5 times

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Add the fact that it learns trick room so it can act as a setter to allowing kingambit to really pop off and you get synergy that I truly believe is worth building around

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The question that leads us to and the one we need to answer is, what can I use with it?

covert hill Apr 14, 2023, 11:31 AM

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hi everyone

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can someone rate this team?

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https://pokepast.es/c034f312439830ba

drifting onyxBOT Apr 14, 2023, 11:32 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 11:32 AM

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gonna make a full on gimmick team

woven rose Apr 14, 2023, 11:36 AM

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covert hill can someone rate this team?

I would probably switch gholdengo tera to water since the ruins counter it super hard now. Also probably modest on gholdengo because it doesn’t need to always outspeed but timid is also good

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I would also switch clear smog on amoonguss for protect. Normally should only run pollen puff OR clear smog, not both

covert hill Apr 14, 2023, 11:46 AM

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woven rose I would probably switch gholdengo tera to water since the ruins counter it super...

ok

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should I change anything else?

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 11:56 AM

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i might have just made the most gimmicky team of all time

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why did the team work

woven rose Apr 14, 2023, 12:57 PM

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covert hill should I change anything else?

Test the team as is for now and report back what you struggle against. Right now it looks good

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Except your amoonguss spread needs work

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 1:42 PM

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can someone rate this team? https://pokepast.es/18c7c482ac6931ce

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 1:53 PM

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ornate vale can someone rate this team? https://pokepast.es/18c7c482ac6931ce

maube replace night slash with a bug type for the ruinous mons

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on the scizor

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av is a much better choice on ting lu or kingambit

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 1:56 PM

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hidden path maube replace night slash with a bug type for the ruinous mons

I already have close combat for ruin mons, that's Scizor's purpouse

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 1:56 PM

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hidden path av is a much better choice on ting lu or kingambit

wait what's av?

woven rose Apr 14, 2023, 2:04 PM

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ornate vale wait what's av?

Assault vest

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 2:05 PM

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what should Scizor get instead?

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 2:07 PM

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choice band

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LO

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 2:10 PM

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like this Scizor wuold be much more vulnerable to high speed special attackers, since the only way to go against them wuold be bullet punch or technician boosted pounce, which wuold take some set-up

manic pond Apr 14, 2023, 2:18 PM

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honest burrow Bringing a Pokémon back with rabsca’s Revival Blessing and having it die again ...

Defiant is literally just better

cursive mason Apr 14, 2023, 2:53 PM

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ornate vale like this Scizor wuold be much more vulnerable to high speed special attackers, ...

Scizor kinda loses or beats most of the special attackers with or without AV

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Like AV doesn’t really change the chi-yu mu or the flutter mu

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Might change the bundle mu a bit but idk

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If you want scizor to beat flutter as much as possible goggles is prob best

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 3:21 PM

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idk I don't really trust choice in doubles in the first place

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the only one I ever ran was a choice scarf Dracovish in gen 8, but even there, if the other dude switched to Gastradon it was basically over, much like a close combat on a Flutter Mane

cursive mason Apr 14, 2023, 3:48 PM

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Choice is fine in doubles

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Just might require a little more thinking ahead

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Choice specs flutter is one of the top sets

ornate vale Apr 14, 2023, 4:02 PM

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I'll give the choice band to Scizor and the av to Kingambit and swap its protect with kowtow clave or some other move, anything else I should change?

heady kiln Apr 14, 2023, 4:20 PM

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I think I'd buy av ting lu before av gambit

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or rather they seem to be performing a very similar role?

hidden path Apr 14, 2023, 4:21 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d83103cc5de02ebe cooking?

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specs snarl does waay too much dmg

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one shots indeedee with boosted sp def

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well

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depends on evs

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should i make a double moody team

#VGC Rates