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cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 12:47 AM

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Tbh I think Tera flying Tera blast dnite is better than the Tera norm one

vocal pagoda Mar 12, 2023, 12:50 AM

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How should I proceed? https://pokepast.es/9e17a4dca0ea8a79

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Maybe a brute bonnet? But is having more than 1 redirector ok?

cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 12:52 AM

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https://pokepast.es/6e1054c2d40c46b2 here’s a s2 hard tr that has been decently successful

vocal pagoda Mar 12, 2023, 12:54 AM

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3 mons with trick room? Isn’t that a little overkill?

cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 12:56 AM

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Not when it’s hard TR

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This Hard TR kinda just loses if TR doesn’t get up

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Also two of the setters are offensive setters so it’s not a passivity issue

vocal pagoda Mar 12, 2023, 12:57 AM

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Also psychic on arma seems a little weird, I get wide guard but wouldn’t armor cannon be better?

cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 12:59 AM

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Im assuming they don’t want the defense drops, psychic in terrain is about the same bp as armor cannon, and they have tork for single target fire damage if they need it

vocal pagoda Mar 12, 2023, 1:02 AM

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Aren’t I walled by dondozo? What if I did energy ball and flamethrower instead of psychic and heat wave?

manic pond Mar 12, 2023, 1:10 AM

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cursive mason Tbh I think Tera flying Tera blast dnite is better than the Tera norm one

In general it is

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But with chien pao normal is better

cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 1:12 AM

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vocal pagoda Aren’t I walled by dondozo? What if I did energy ball and flamethrower instead o...

Eforce does like 40 to dozo

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So you’re fine

cursive mason Mar 12, 2023, 1:13 AM

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manic pond But with chien pao normal is better

I still like Tera flying better with Chien pao

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Espeed still does a lot of damage

manic pond Mar 12, 2023, 3:15 AM

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E speed is better bc you’re guaranteed a hit

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Since chien pao lowers your physical defense aswell

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It better to have that guaranteed damage

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But I would would put av tera flying dragonite on any other composition

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That thing hits like a fucking truck

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Always one shotting amoongus is CRAZY

topaz mountain Mar 12, 2023, 3:26 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8bf9724c7ab2c986

drifting onyxBOT Mar 12, 2023, 3:27 AM

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topaz mountain Mar 12, 2023, 3:27 AM

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Mostly looking for advice on replacing Blissey

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and if not improvements

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 6:13 AM

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quite literally one close combat and blissey dies

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mach punch can also 2hko it i believe

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also this is VGC

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 1:56 PM

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lol

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:00 PM

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i wanna make a fire/water/grass pledge team

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brb

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which means a special meowscarada

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and quaquaval

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welp

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:03 PM

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tf

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Ngl Pledge is actually really good

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in gen 8 I made one

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however if I were to imma wait until nationan dex

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:04 PM

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fr

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im tryig it out rn

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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R u doing it in vgc?

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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y e s

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Sheesh

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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idrc i just started regulation c

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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Same

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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so still 1000 elo

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:05 PM

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I aint watching vancover

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series 2 ireelevant

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:06 PM

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why the hell does special meowscarade do decent dmg

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:06 PM

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Lol Im bored

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lol

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:07 PM

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lol

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:07 PM

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Anyome got any pokemom I can build around?

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I am bored

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:07 PM

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special quaquaval hurts me emotionally

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:07 PM

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bru

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:08 PM

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ting lu and chien pao are insane rn

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:08 PM

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special

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Imagine

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pledge moves

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and then like chi yu flutter or Dnite chien pao

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:09 PM

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tf did that do

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nah the pledge moves did literally nothing

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:09 PM

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lol

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:10 PM

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OHH

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you have to use them in the same turn

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 2:11 PM

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ye

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lol

heady kiln Mar 12, 2023, 2:33 PM

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pledges are insanely weak to fake out

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:38 PM

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fr

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woah

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this teams pretty good

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i wanted to make a venoshock team

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https://pokepast.es/11c9c14ef5b959ba

drifting onyxBOT Mar 12, 2023, 2:41 PM

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hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 2:42 PM

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mainly centered around salazzle and iron moth

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also got torkoal and lilligant cuz why not honestly

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i just realised how dumb that sounds

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gonna change that rq

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what should i fill the slots in with @heady kiln

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i guess i also dont really need tailwind

heady kiln Mar 12, 2023, 3:04 PM

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that's more like sun than venoshock

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maybe make your poisoner mon offensive glimmora?

hidden path Mar 12, 2023, 3:07 PM

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yeah i did

tardy badge Mar 12, 2023, 5:51 PM

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i made this very bad team but anyway to improve it (btw new to VGC)

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https://pokepast.es/baa2f282e34b0ce8

bold creek Mar 12, 2023, 6:39 PM

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anyone wanna make a team together with some anti- meta stuff?

manic pond Mar 12, 2023, 10:51 PM

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tardy badge i made this very bad team but anyway to improve it (btw new to VGC)

I think you have a fairly decent understanding of what Pokémon are good and what sets are good

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There are some hiccups

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What’s the idea behind the team?

dense widget Mar 13, 2023, 5:19 AM

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https://pokepast.es/cb39b16eea03cde9 im really obsessed with sun teams so uhhh primal hurt w big attack

drifting onyxBOT Mar 13, 2023, 5:19 AM

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hidden path Mar 13, 2023, 6:06 AM

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covert cloak on talonflame better

cursive mason Mar 13, 2023, 2:17 PM

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dense widget https://pokepast.es/cb39b16eea03cde9 im really obsessed with sun teams so uhhh p...

If you just want a sun team here’s an OTS for the one that just won Vancouver https://pokepast.es/64d47e4d6784a76b

versed root Mar 13, 2023, 4:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/dfaab271ba90735e Any ideas on what to change on this reg C team?

drifting onyxBOT Mar 13, 2023, 4:12 PM

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versed root Mar 13, 2023, 4:13 PM

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I might replace tauros or dnite

frail coyote Mar 13, 2023, 6:28 PM

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https://pokepast.es/260787bc3c5033db
My first time making a team. Really new to the scene. I like the idea of having some fast, hard hitters backed up by bulky supports. I’m not sure if I did that with this crew though. Don’t even know what to give the Appletun. Can I get some guidance?

manic pond Mar 13, 2023, 7:10 PM

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You should probably look at sample teams

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And pikalytics in order to get a grasp of what’s good

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And what is isn’t

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Bc you have a couple of word Pokémon

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And weird moves

sand minnow Mar 13, 2023, 8:31 PM

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frail coyote https://pokepast.es/260787bc3c5033db My first time making a team. Really new to ...

appletun is a real agency move

frail coyote Mar 13, 2023, 9:48 PM

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sand minnow appletun is a real agency move

I’m not sure what that means, but I’m hoping is a compliment? I’m actually taking it off my team to change in for kingambit. I’m struggling with ice and fairy weaknesses

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Switched up my noivern’s Tera to normal and swapped out flamethrower to boomburst

manic pond Mar 13, 2023, 11:17 PM

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frail coyote I’m not sure what that means, but I’m hoping is a compliment? I’m actually takin...

Appletun is bad

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So good thing you’re taking it off

frail coyote Mar 13, 2023, 11:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/84fba3b19046886f

drifting onyxBOT Mar 13, 2023, 11:37 PM

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frail coyote Mar 13, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Reformatted a bit

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Trying to figure out how to stop ice from being a major issue for me

sand minnow Mar 14, 2023, 6:59 AM

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frail coyote I’m not sure what that means, but I’m hoping is a compliment? I’m actually takin...

Yeah it was a compliment

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Like it’s special

lone cedar Mar 14, 2023, 8:29 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1cf54e09772749c0

drifting onyxBOT Mar 14, 2023, 8:29 AM

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lone cedar Mar 14, 2023, 8:29 AM

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just got shiny marked dondozo might try

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pls ping to answer

honest burrow Mar 14, 2023, 11:17 AM

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lone cedar pls ping to answer

Only feedback I have is you probably should swap out either annihilape or iron hands cuz of weaknesses

manic pond Mar 14, 2023, 11:17 AM

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Change focus blast to nasty plot or recover

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And final gambit to rage fists

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And fix your tera types

manic pond Mar 14, 2023, 11:18 AM

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honest burrow Only feedback I have is you probably should swap out either annihilape or iron h...

I would switch one of them out

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Not necessarily for weaknesses

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This format you can double up in types bc of tera

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But bc you have to physical fighting types

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It just seems kinda meh

honest burrow Mar 14, 2023, 11:18 AM

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Yea, but they also have a lot of overlap

manic pond Mar 14, 2023, 11:18 AM

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But it can work

honest burrow Mar 14, 2023, 11:18 AM

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Doesn’t mean there aren’t better options

honest burrow Mar 14, 2023, 11:35 AM

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If you swap iron hands out I’d probably recommend a friend guard maushold, if it’s annihilape then I’d say maybe roaring moon, amoongus, or even I’d personally consider using tropius, but a fairy type would also be something good to use

manic pond Mar 14, 2023, 12:16 PM

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Wildin for that tropius suggestion

hidden path Mar 14, 2023, 12:16 PM

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common tropius w

lone cedar Mar 14, 2023, 12:21 PM

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thanks everyone

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yall the best

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blobthumbsup

hidden path Mar 14, 2023, 4:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d173fc565f9a0346

drifting onyxBOT Mar 14, 2023, 4:24 PM

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hidden path Mar 14, 2023, 4:24 PM

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hyper offense make me go yes

balmy valley Mar 14, 2023, 5:42 PM

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Why Hydreigon and Dragapult? it's not like the team has that many answers to bulky Flutter Mane

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and Tera Psychic Hydreigon?

winter gulch Mar 14, 2023, 6:00 PM

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You are actively trying to find a team weak to Flutter LOL

lost phoenix Mar 14, 2023, 6:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/78c92cc6e9551354 @ eeveon since u r here

winter gulch Mar 14, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Ooh this is interesting

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Losing internet again

balmy valley Mar 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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I always wonder why people run Yache on Amoonguss, it lives Bundle anyways

lost phoenix Mar 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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pao

winter gulch Mar 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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Ruination over heavy slam

balmy valley Mar 14, 2023, 6:06 PM

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it also lives Pao hits

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assuming not banded

winter gulch Mar 14, 2023, 6:07 PM

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And rip my internet

lost phoenix Mar 14, 2023, 6:07 PM

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balmy valley it also lives Pao hits

amoong doesnt appreciate the ranges pao puts it in

winter gulch Mar 14, 2023, 6:20 PM

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I think DNite doesn't quite fit here, but I think something that can deal immediate offensive pressure is good

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I love camping wifi

lost phoenix Mar 14, 2023, 6:24 PM

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winter gulch I think DNite doesn't quite fit here, but I think something that can deal immedi...

i just wanted some ground immune dude rly

bold creek Mar 14, 2023, 7:14 PM

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anyone wanna run some regulation C battles on showdown?

hidden path Mar 15, 2023, 3:58 AM

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sure

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a day late

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 4:00 AM

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lost phoenix i just wanted some ground immune dude rly

you do have a lot of Ice Weak lol, but you could probably make DNite work, its solid

eager crag Mar 15, 2023, 5:03 AM

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Can someone help me decide who gets the focus sash?

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https://pokepast.es/93a2ee823f46ba4e

drifting onyxBOT Mar 15, 2023, 5:03 AM

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eager crag Mar 15, 2023, 5:04 AM

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and life orb

honest burrow Mar 15, 2023, 11:18 AM

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I need Tera types for this: https://pokepast.es/79b57303f2066fe1

drifting onyxBOT Mar 15, 2023, 11:18 AM

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manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 12:22 PM

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Don’t use protect mimikyu

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If you’re going to run all four moves on iron hands might aswell use AV

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Put the safety goggles on arcanine

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Sitrus on amoongus

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Ting lu - poison

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Mimikyu - fairy

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Iron hands - grass (with av)

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Iron hands - fire ( with goggles)

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Arcanine - water

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Amoongus - water

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Idk what the rotom does

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So idk what to tell you for that

bold creek Mar 15, 2023, 2:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1fbbfaff5965d5b2

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Mixed weather team with Personally uncommon and underrated beartic

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Just wondering How i can round out this team 🙂

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:03 PM

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You could maybe

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Not use doodoo moms

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*mons

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Per chance

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🤨

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I would say add something bulky and fast that takes advantage of screen

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And tailwind

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So

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Palafin

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Or

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Annhilape

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I would give them both left overs

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Also tera water amoongus kinda rails your team

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:07 PM

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manic pond Not use doodoo moms

You could be nicer about that

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:10 PM

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bold creek Mixed weather team with Personally uncommon and underrated beartic

I think an immediate problem is that dual weather is not good lol, the two clash and don't work well together

pure crystal Mar 15, 2023, 3:10 PM

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https://pokepast.es/de53494c8327061d Suggestions are welcome ;]

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:11 PM

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winter gulch You could be nicer about that

Nah

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:11 PM

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pure crystal https://pokepast.es/de53494c8327061d Suggestions are welcome ;]

Does big root also take leech seed into account

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:11 PM

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Ok well now I'm telling you to be nicer :)

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:12 PM

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manic pond Does big root also take leech seed into account

I don't think it does

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:12 PM

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Then there’s no point in having it

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That’s the first thing I notice

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:12 PM

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I will look it up to be sure

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:12 PM

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bold creek https://pokepast.es/1fbbfaff5965d5b2

Also you have Snarl twice on Arcanine

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:12 PM

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Honestly I think Chesto resto is better dondozo in comparison to leftovers

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 3:13 PM

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There's an argument for that

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:13 PM

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So you could switch to an order up/eq/wave crash/ rest set

lost phoenix Mar 15, 2023, 3:13 PM

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winter gulch you do have a lot of Ice Weak lol, but you could probably make DNite work, its s...

Idk what to replace dnite with tho

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:13 PM

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And out leftovers on the wonchien

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And I’m a big fan of av glimmora

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With mortal spin

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Great for an dondozo team and great for opposing dozo

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:14 PM

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pure crystal https://pokepast.es/de53494c8327061d Suggestions are welcome ;]

I had a very similar idea to this

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You open gothitelle with either glimmora or wo chien

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And begin to chip thing down with either

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Leech seed

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Or mortal soon

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*spin

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Paving the way for string attackers in the back

bold creek Mar 15, 2023, 3:14 PM

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winter gulch Also you have Snarl twice on Arcanine

oh lol

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:14 PM

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To chip them down

bold creek Mar 15, 2023, 3:14 PM

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Ye I changed it

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https://pokepast.es/cf5663e098c0497f

pure crystal Mar 15, 2023, 3:48 PM

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manic pond And begin to chip thing down with either

Exactly yeah, though I feel I maybe need to switch Goth for something that deals with chiyu and flutter mane

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And maybe give dondozo a different tera

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:50 PM

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I like bundle + kingambit

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Booster assurance

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Jolly kingambit

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To outsoeed flutter after icy wind

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And then just assurance

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You have to be very careful tho

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Bc the fluttermane can protect

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Let me show you my concept

pure crystal Mar 15, 2023, 3:53 PM

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manic pond To outsoeed flutter after icy wind

I dont think jolly 252 Kingambit does outspeed timid 252 flutter

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:53 PM

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it cant

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but after icy widn it can

pure crystal Mar 15, 2023, 3:54 PM

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In my calc in still cant

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 3:54 PM

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oh youre right

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whoos

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my calc is for tailwind

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not icy wind

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https://pokepast.es/649655d94cd66097

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 4:45 PM

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I changed my fluttermane ev’s a little

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To specifically live palafin tera water jet punch

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On at least 2 hp

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 5:40 PM

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Glimmora is lowkey not carrying its weight

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Does anyone have any suggestions?

cursive mason Mar 15, 2023, 5:59 PM

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manic pond https://pokepast.es/649655d94cd66097

Your iron bundle is serious

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 6:01 PM

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whoops

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/042e137df04c1d07

drifting onyxBOT Mar 15, 2023, 6:22 PM

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winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 6:51 PM

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manic pond https://pokepast.es/042e137df04c1d07

I'm pretty confused by Nasty Plot Chi-Yu and Outrage is really bad on DNite since you can't really target it

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Goth kinda feels tacked in here, what is it's purpose besides to trap stuff?

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Since your Flutter isn't Perish Song

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:28 PM

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winter gulch I'm pretty confused by Nasty Plot Chi-Yu and Outrage is really bad on DNite sinc...

Outrage just got eigth in a regional

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It’s a good late game move

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Once you get rid of the steel and fairy types

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:28 PM

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winter gulch I'm pretty confused by Nasty Plot Chi-Yu and Outrage is really bad on DNite sinc...

Nasty plot chi yu is just strong

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Idk about goth tho

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I’m willing to take it off

cursive mason Mar 15, 2023, 7:29 PM

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I’m not really a fan of plot chi-yu without some kind of support to help it setup cuz of its frailty and besides goth fake out there really isn’t any of that

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:29 PM

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But idk what to replace it with

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 7:30 PM

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manic pond It’s a good late game move

True, Neil won't stop talking about it LOOL

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Snarl is solid

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:30 PM

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I like fake out

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I wnat it in the team

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Goth has been really useful in that regard

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But it just feels like it drops to everything in the format

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 7:30 PM

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There are other FO users

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:30 PM

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Ik

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But the only other good one is iron hands

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And that synergy with chi yu is trash

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Since it’s spdf is so low

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 7:33 PM

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Grimmsnarl could be solid given you want some support

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 7:33 PM

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Good point

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What would the set be?

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Double screen?

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Or other stuff?

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 7:34 PM

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Realistically what suits your team, dual screens Spirit Break +1 probably

manic pond Mar 15, 2023, 8:16 PM

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Light clay?

winter gulch Mar 15, 2023, 8:16 PM

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Yeah

eager crag Mar 16, 2023, 2:46 AM

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I know I already posted this but I forgot to give them Teras and Names so here

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Also still deciding who gets the focus sash and Life Orb

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https://pokepast.es/24ddf7f6708fa097

drifting onyxBOT Mar 16, 2023, 2:46 AM

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balmy valley Mar 16, 2023, 3:33 AM

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all of them want Sash, but

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I'd go Band on Meow, Sash Chien-Pao, Booster Bundle, Scarf / Specs / LO Chi-Yu and Specs / LO Flutter

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Chien-Pao should also be Ice Spinner Sucker Punch Protect and either Sacred Sword or Throat Chop

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I don't see why you have Tusk here on the team, doesn't really fit

bold creek Mar 16, 2023, 8:09 AM

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fr

honest burrow Mar 16, 2023, 10:29 AM

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manic pond So idk what to tell you for that

Rotom uses trick + scarf to cripple opponents farther in tr, out of tr serving as a pivot and something that can be paired with ting lu’s eq with its levitate ability

honest burrow Mar 16, 2023, 10:51 AM

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manic pond Don’t use protect mimikyu

Why?

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 10:52 AM

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Disguise basically guarantees it trick room

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I usually would rather have a support move in that slot

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Something like will o wisp

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Or curse

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Or just a third attack

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Like shadow claw

honest burrow Mar 16, 2023, 10:55 AM

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Does it get taunt?

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 11:05 AM

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Yes

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Also a solid move

honest burrow Mar 16, 2023, 11:12 AM

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I’m not doing will o wisp cuz it’s already on wash and rk9

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Can the will o wisp be changed for something else on either of those?

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 11:26 AM

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I like will o wips rotom

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It’s a nice surprise

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Since your scarf I would consider switching it

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Bc you don’t want to lock in

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And miss

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And after a certain point that will o wisp will have no value

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And you’ll be forced to switch

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Arcanine is more consistent

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But you know

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You could also just

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Give mimikyu something that isn’t wisp

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And not change the other mons sets

honest burrow Mar 16, 2023, 11:43 AM

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manic pond Bc you don’t want to lock in

Usually I’m either locking in a damage move or using trick

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 11:45 AM

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Then if you don’t think it’s good

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On your team

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Or set

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Take it off

hidden path Mar 16, 2023, 11:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/06d158063e39a39f a hyper offensive-like team

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hidden path Mar 16, 2023, 11:50 AM

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double tusks works well acctually

tardy badge Mar 16, 2023, 1:53 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a4b2185e4401a386

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https://pokepast.es/81a31e5b37e683ef

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which team is better???

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 1:55 PM

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tardy badge https://pokepast.es/81a31e5b37e683ef

This one

tardy badge Mar 16, 2023, 2:47 PM

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ok

bold creek Mar 16, 2023, 6:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3437eb7aa84ecbed

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bold creek Mar 16, 2023, 6:31 PM

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Personally I think snow Is a really good archetype

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Any way I can round this team out?

cursive mason Mar 16, 2023, 6:32 PM

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I agree that snow has potential but I don’t think this is the way to run it

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First of all imo snow should have bundle

bold creek Mar 16, 2023, 7:00 PM

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It doesnt need to

manic pond Mar 16, 2023, 7:25 PM

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I think if you’re gonna build snow

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You have to have atleast one of

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Baxcalibur

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Annhilape

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Or bundle

sand minnow Mar 16, 2023, 7:37 PM

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I like baxcalibur

winter gulch Mar 16, 2023, 7:37 PM

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Baxcalibur is solid

sand minnow Mar 16, 2023, 7:38 PM

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I like Eeveon

cursive mason Mar 16, 2023, 8:16 PM

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bold creek It doesnt need to

I think bundle is just too good to give up tho, it’s an already good Mon that benefits from snow a lot

covert hill Mar 16, 2023, 9:45 PM

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hi everyone

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can someone rate this team?

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https://pokepast.es/e4f1d96da33da741

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trying new stuff

balmy valley Mar 16, 2023, 9:57 PM

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Some of the sets are not great, you get more mileage out of Water STAB (either Hydro Pump or Muddy Water) over Memento on Tatsugiri

covert hill Mar 16, 2023, 9:58 PM

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mmm

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ok thanks

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something else?

balmy valley Mar 16, 2023, 10:00 PM

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In Regulation C I'd reccomend running Tera Grass as that lets you block Wo-Chien's Leech Seed and Spore

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Tera Blast Grass OHKOes Haze Palafin

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Specs Mane should run Moonblast Shadow Ball Gleam and Power Gem (hits Volc and Arcanine)

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I dont know why Dnite is here, if you're going to use Dnite Chien-Pao should also be on the team

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Arc should also have Protect over PsyFangs

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breaking screens is ok but Protect gives you more value overall

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or you could run Espeed to pick off stuff like Sashed Chien-Pao

fossil jolt Mar 17, 2023, 1:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/741fe842edac487c tanky toxapex with some support

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winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 1:44 AM

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Your team seems really weak to Iron Bundle and ice type moves in general. Also there's no real speed control to help you deal with fast mons like Flutter and Bundle. Also a bunch of the sets are a bit too passive for VGC
(Rental teams are pinned above to see what's good and get some inspiration for mons you might like :))

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 1:44 AM

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covert hill https://pokepast.es/e4f1d96da33da741

Solid team, I would change some of the sets (like Sizzle said), but overall quite solid!

fossil jolt Mar 17, 2023, 2:01 AM

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https://pokepast.es/545782e49d1b0a46 what about this

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 2:12 AM

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I think its a bit better, but I don't quite see the role of each mon on the team, and some mons on the team like Medicham seem pretty random

balmy valley Mar 17, 2023, 2:27 AM

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and the toxapex

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why are people so attracted to psychic fangs on arcanine anyways? Close Combat deals with the ruins

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ah this is s2

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yeah I don't see the point of running Medicham if there's no Slaking (that's a gimmick at best) and Pex is just there

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it does nothing

honest burrow Mar 17, 2023, 11:32 AM

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tardy badge https://pokepast.es/a4b2185e4401a386

To improve this one, have your setters be mimyku and possibly scream tail if you really want a second one and use that as a baseline

hidden path Mar 17, 2023, 11:39 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d451ff451460c9f5

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honest burrow Mar 17, 2023, 11:39 AM

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honest burrow To improve this one, have your setters be mimyku and possibly scream tail if you...

Dark types are big in reg C because of ruinous Pokémon so having your setters either not be psychic or have a dual type that is super effective against dark is a must

hidden path Mar 17, 2023, 11:39 AM

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t e am

silk ether Mar 17, 2023, 2:49 PM

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https://pokepast.es/1d1a308e747dc428

I don't love klawf on this team, and was wondering if anyone had any recommendations for replacement, or for the team in general.

woven rose Mar 17, 2023, 2:54 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ffad1c353b515667

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This is where I am for reg C. Wondering about replacing tusk

manic pond Mar 17, 2023, 3:54 PM

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I actually think thins is fairly solid

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I think assault vest arcanine can be a genuine consideration for your team

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Since you have intimidate and wo chien

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Physical attackers already have zero damage output

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You can compensate for bundles and great trust lack of special defense by adding av on arcanine

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Something like flare blitz/snarl/extreme speed/ + coverage

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I think can work well on this team

woven rose Mar 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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I’m actually going to try out AV arcanine because Arcanine is really just a pivot for me and its still has the intimidate its on the team for. Plus I need some more physical offense

manic pond Mar 17, 2023, 4:22 PM

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Also sash flutter mane is probably better here

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Unless you trust your evs enough to live a jet punch from palafin

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Or an earthquake from greatvtusk

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Then sash is better

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And you could give great tusk something else

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Also I really like ghost tera bundle to get around fake out

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And tera steel fluttermane

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For a better matchup against opposing fluttermane

balmy valley Mar 17, 2023, 4:49 PM

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84 HP / 180 Def Bold Flutter lives Tera Water Mystic Water Jet Punch from Palafin

woven rose Mar 17, 2023, 6:35 PM

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Hero or no?

cursive mason Mar 17, 2023, 6:41 PM

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Yeah from hero

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 10:12 PM

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question how does a perish trap team work like i know gothitelle is in it and a perish song mon like azumarill or something but I don't know like the structure behind it

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 10:19 PM

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what exactly do you have a question with?

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Gothitelle's Shadow Tag prevents opponents from switching

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mons like Flutter Mane use Perish Song to set up it

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and then you have other mons as supports to help keep everything alive/kill threats to the team

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 10:21 PM

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Its mostly like other than the perish song mons what are used to really support that?

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 10:23 PM

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Arcanine is often used to mitigate physical damage

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 10:27 PM

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Inescapable intimidate seems nasty

cursive mason Mar 17, 2023, 10:30 PM

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Also arc is usually used to kill Ghold

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At least in this format

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Amoonguss is a common partner I think

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Cuz regen and just helps stuff stay alive with pollen puff and rage powder, also just good on its own

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Spore is always nice too

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 10:35 PM

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I wonder is azu used as a perish song mon or is fluttermane better because its faster

cursive mason Mar 17, 2023, 10:42 PM

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If it’s hard perish there’s probably two perish mons

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Flutter is the more common of the two tho

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Because it is a threat by itself

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:16 PM

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Yeah you also need to have ways to remove ghosts

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since they bypass Shadow Tag

cursive mason Mar 17, 2023, 11:22 PM

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Yeah flutter is also good for that

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:26 PM

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I doubt this is a good team but this is my first attempt at perish song

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https://pokepast.es/059a2df96c5f36d6

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sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:26 PM

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Does ruination hit both opponentsm

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?*

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:29 PM

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First 4 mons are decent, I would probably go Goggles or healing berry on Arcanine so you can have Protect (to stall out Perish turns)

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Whirlwind is pretty anti synergy with Perish Song imo, and Belly Drum isn't great on a mon that can't restore health + you want to live longer

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I think Fake Out/Dual Stab/Volt Switch could be solid on Iron Hands so you can tank a hit and switch out to stall more turns

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AV (Iron Hands)

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:31 PM

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Hmmm vested iron hands then, replacing av on canine with goggles

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And should I discard ting lu or is it fine i just need to change the set

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Maybe replace it with meowscarada?

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:35 PM

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Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of Ting Lu here, but I'm not sure what to put there lol

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Palafin might work but its not easy to play

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~~we've literally just remade Neil's S2 NorCal team LOL~~

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:36 PM

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winter gulch ~~we've literally just remade Neil's S2 NorCal team LOL~~

Like mon for mon?

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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yeah lol

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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Thats not what I wanted

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7f0e8026bfca2f21

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although the conccept used is a bit different

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:38 PM

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My team seems to be more endurance reliant

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Just staying alive

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:38 PM

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yeah

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:39 PM

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Hmmm is that good or bad?

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I dont want to just be copying a team do I want to know if its different enough to not be copying but also not just straight dookie

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:40 PM

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Neil's team did win a local event undefeated, but the process we took to get here is different so I think its ok

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like I know Neil, he wasn't going for a Perish Trap idea here

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:40 PM

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Actually could meow work? Both fin and meow are dozo counters and they deal with ape....kinda? Fin might be better for chi yu

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:41 PM

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I think Meowscarada could work

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it just hasn't seen too much usage

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I don't think you need too much of a Dozo counter since Perish kinda is that

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:41 PM

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Hmmm u turn meow and volt switch hands make sit easier to go in and out of things

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But with meow i might want helping hands more than trick room

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:42 PM

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You can try them both out, and let us know which one works best for you

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:44 PM

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Hmmm sucker or protect?

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I remmeber some meows running protect

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:46 PM

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Meowscarada usually runs Flower Trick/Protect/Sucker/Knock Off

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:46 PM

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There https://pokepast.es/861ee757f4cc6eb9

winter gulch Mar 17, 2023, 11:47 PM

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That's with Sash normally, if you run Band, you could look at Sucker/Knock Off/Flower Trick and U-turn

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maybe swap Sucker for Play Rough

sand minnow Mar 17, 2023, 11:51 PM

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Ah okay hmmm I'll go u turn got double turn, might be good for stalling out and vested hands might be able to take on chi yu

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U turn into hands + fake out should deal with it

covert hill Mar 18, 2023, 12:54 PM

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hi everyone

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I've mande some changes to the team I showed earlier

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I think dragonite doesn't fit there

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And I want ur opinion

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https://pokepast.es/c559f26f6bb4534d

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covert hill Mar 18, 2023, 12:55 PM

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I thougth of a u-turn pokémon for pivoting into giri, not sure about glimmora tho

wide gyro Mar 18, 2023, 5:31 PM

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yo can someone help me with this team

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https://pokepast.es/daf0fdc564b7dc86

woven rose Mar 18, 2023, 6:04 PM

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wide gyro yo can someone help me with this team

I personally would change arboliva's tera type to water

wide gyro Mar 18, 2023, 6:05 PM

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Ok

proud osprey Mar 19, 2023, 1:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5290881b95591fc7
Using Scovillian cause they're my fav, not looking to win in the Regional but still wanna atleast make it to Day 2^^

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proud osprey Mar 19, 2023, 1:22 AM

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pls dont kill me

violet notch Mar 19, 2023, 7:38 AM

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whats the defensive spread for specs flutter?

violet notch Mar 19, 2023, 10:25 AM

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also curious if anyone knows the benchmark speed for non booster scream tail

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this is what both of them are for now
https://pokepast.es/7b607c6316c92209

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honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 2:10 PM

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For regulation C, what are the best tr setters?

hidden path Mar 19, 2023, 3:01 PM

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mimikyu

honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 4:03 PM

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Yes, but what else?

covert hill Mar 19, 2023, 4:04 PM

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indeedee and armarouge

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farigiraf

honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 4:04 PM

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Thoughts on scream tail?

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Or bronzong?

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Thoughts on changing rk9 for armarogue here? https://pokepast.es/79b57303f2066fe1

covert crag Mar 19, 2023, 4:27 PM

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a

sterile magnet Mar 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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https://pokepast.es/bd2826f186ba4676

Hi this is my first team for SV doubles and i dont know what could be improve, im having some wins tho in the ladder but some advice would be nice

drifting onyxBOT Mar 19, 2023, 4:32 PM

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winter gulch Mar 19, 2023, 6:58 PM

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proud osprey https://pokepast.es/5290881b95591fc7 Using Scovillian cause they're my fav, not ...

I think the team is ok, but I'm really confused by the items on Arcanine, Flutter, and Torkoal. I know you're trying to use Scovillain but I feel like Lilligant would be much better here bc you already have the fire coverage. I would probably run Goggles Arc and a more supportive or offensie Tork set (Heat Wave, Eruption, EP, Protect)

winter gulch Mar 19, 2023, 6:58 PM

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honest burrow Thoughts on changing rk9 for armarogue here? https://pokepast.es/79b57303f2066fe...

Arcanine all the way, unless you add Indeedee

winter gulch Mar 19, 2023, 7:01 PM

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sterile magnet https://pokepast.es/bd2826f186ba4676 Hi this is my first team for SV doubles an...

Your Glimmora is too passive, a bit confused as to what the Murk is for, and Tinkaton isn't exactly great. I think your team has too many support mons for not enough mons with immediate offensive pressure. + your team is kinda weak to Flutter stuffs. Also I would add Protect on Bundle as that helps you position more easily

honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 7:33 PM

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winter gulch Arcanine all the way, unless you add Indeedee

Are there any picks you’d suggest for a second setter?

winter gulch Mar 19, 2023, 7:34 PM

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TR setter?

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Personally I don't think your team needs it, just needs some more immediate offensive pressure and maybe TR as a side option

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Your team feels really passive

violet notch Mar 19, 2023, 7:59 PM

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violet notch whats the defensive spread for specs flutter?

?

honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 8:07 PM

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winter gulch Personally I don't think your team needs it, just needs some more immediate offe...

K, how do I make my team a tr team?

sterile magnet Mar 19, 2023, 8:15 PM

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winter gulch Your Glimmora is too passive, a bit confused as to what the Murk is for, and Tin...

How I could make the glimmora more aggressive? I know tinkaton it's not the best tho I'm trying to make it work, the murk was to have some speed controll, haze and taunt, I'm open to some options for the murk tho, since it was an after though for the team I like the protect option in bundle.

The idea behind the team was to make tinkaton somewhat usable.

proud forum Mar 19, 2023, 8:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9741fc2de1a2e17f for Reg C

honest burrow Mar 19, 2023, 11:42 PM

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winter gulch Personally I don't think your team needs it, just needs some more immediate offe...

If I even can

manic pond Mar 20, 2023, 12:35 AM

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Why pawmot?

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Use leftovers instead

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You have no speed control

proud forum Mar 20, 2023, 3:56 AM

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Pawmot's for the Revival X-factor, fair, and yes that's correct since I view this as a bulk-offense mix (which probably doesn't exist and I'm foolish for trying to make such a team, but it's early yet)

winter gulch Mar 20, 2023, 4:04 AM

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honest burrow K, how do I make my team a tr team?

I can help you tomorrow to make a more TR-central team, but for some quick tips, you want to use mons that can deal a ton of damage without having to set up, such as Armarouge, Hatt, Kingambit, stuff like that

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and a reliable way to set up TR

urban nebula Mar 20, 2023, 6:46 AM

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This would need bank integration for Hisui Lilligant but I've been cooking up a hybrid Sun Gravity team

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https://pokepast.es/3cef5116348d2d53

drifting onyxBOT Mar 20, 2023, 6:46 AM

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hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 7:52 AM

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wrong channel buddy

tropic tinsel Mar 20, 2023, 8:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/88094f279cb045a1

honest burrow Mar 20, 2023, 9:17 AM

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winter gulch I can help you tomorrow to make a more TR-central team, but for some quick tips,...

Many thank

hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 3:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b75d27d2927b686d

drifting onyxBOT Mar 20, 2023, 3:23 PM

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hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 3:25 PM

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@valid mesa

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is this good?

proud forum Mar 20, 2023, 4:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/5d1d1b6036ce5039 Option B for Reg C. First real TR team so not totally sure if it's any good

hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 4:05 PM

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flash fire is better

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on arma

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and Lo on mimikyu

proud forum Mar 20, 2023, 4:06 PM

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How is Flash Fire better? And Orb's already on Arma, gonna need a substitution in that case

hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 4:06 PM

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chi yu mostly

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so its a great counter

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and eruption torkoal in some cases

proud forum Mar 20, 2023, 4:07 PM

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You'd think I'd remember the fish lol

hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 4:07 PM

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also this

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tr teams and weak armor is not a good combo

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+2 speed and making it more frail

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im not an expert btw

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just my opinion

proud forum Mar 20, 2023, 4:08 PM

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still, advice is appreciated

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also, I don't recognize where that's from

hidden path Mar 20, 2023, 4:09 PM

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vgcpastes

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great place to find teams and see usage and sets

tardy badge Mar 20, 2023, 5:08 PM

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https://pokepast.es/6fa6853232b86787

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yo any

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way to improve

manic pond Mar 20, 2023, 5:54 PM

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Goggles arcanine tera water

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Commit to a specific set on moon

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It’s seems like you’re trying to mix extremely offensive moves with defensive ones

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I would receimmned either commiting to bulk

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Or committing to support

bold creek Mar 20, 2023, 9:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3b7e9372ee8b972a

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thoughts on team

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its a sandaconda team and it slaps hard

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scarf gholdengo>specs gholdengo

balmy valley Mar 20, 2023, 9:15 PM

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no but why bright powder sand veil

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cringe

bold creek Mar 20, 2023, 9:16 PM

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but it works

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so who cares

balmy valley Mar 20, 2023, 9:23 PM

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luck 🤢

bold creek Mar 20, 2023, 9:27 PM

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💀

hidden path Mar 21, 2023, 4:32 AM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/b75d27d2927b686d

.

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 7:43 AM

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manic pond Or committing to support

ok

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 9:22 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e86884f23ebc8d13

drifting onyxBOT Mar 21, 2023, 9:22 AM

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tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 9:22 AM

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rate it

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 9:44 AM

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havent chosen tera types

vale pewter Mar 21, 2023, 9:56 AM

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https://pokepast.es/eb6a5a33d4059135
First attempt, kindly tell me how shit it is cheers

manic pond Mar 21, 2023, 12:14 PM

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I would like to kindly tell you that it’s a little shit but not completely shit

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What was your idea behind the team

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 1:39 PM

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tardy badge https://pokepast.es/e86884f23ebc8d13

yoooooooooooooooo

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rate it please

woven rose Mar 21, 2023, 2:43 PM

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tardy badge rate it please

I think you just discouraged everyone from rating it

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 3:06 PM

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hmmmmmmm

manic pond Mar 21, 2023, 3:16 PM

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tardy badge https://pokepast.es/e86884f23ebc8d13

This is just a common roaring moon balance team

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Like what do you want people to say

tardy badge Mar 21, 2023, 3:18 PM

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ummmmmm like some suggestions for moveset and stuff

austere heron Mar 21, 2023, 5:58 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a34570f2ed16e5b3 my new rain team, tell me stuff PipGun

drifting onyxBOT Mar 21, 2023, 5:58 PM

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woven rose Mar 22, 2023, 12:30 AM

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tardy badge ummmmmm like some suggestions for moveset and stuff

Get rid of snarl on roaring moon for something else
Flutter mane is super fragile probably swap item for focus sash if you're running a super fast set
I can't see if you have changed teras at all but I'll throw in my input
RM: Flying
Arcanine: Water
Hands: Grass
Mane: Fairy
Amongus: Water
Pala: grass

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I also assume you're running smog on amongus for dozo but I would actually switch puff or smog for protect so it can stay on the field for longer.

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:22 AM

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getting to them rn

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:25 AM

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tropic tinsel https://pokepast.es/88094f279cb045a1

Overall quite solid, I'm confused as to what Gothitelle does since you don't have Perish Trap on this team, and Pachi kinda feels slapped onto this team. I would try replacing Goth with something that can resist grounds and replace Pachi with Amoonguss

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:27 AM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/b75d27d2927b686d

AV on Hands, Lorb on Tusk. Knock Off on Meowscarada. The team looks fine on first sight but seems kinda weak to Flutter (3 fightings + a dark). Meowscarada honestly isn't great, and I would replace at least one of the fightings with something that can better help you against Flutter, such as Arcanine

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 1:30 AM

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https://pokepast.es/b617fcd28ed438a5 very aggro team, worried it's too aggro and not sure what else to do to adjust

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winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:50 AM

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austere heron https://pokepast.es/a34570f2ed16e5b3 my new rain team, tell me stuff <:PipGun:98...

Your team needs more Protect to help you position, Palafin is much better than Floatzel, Scizor wants an item that is actually useful, the Dragalge set is just too passive and frankly not it, you might want Volt Switch on Hands, and your Flutter set probably should be (Protect Dual STABS +1)
https://pokepast.es/04e2ad0702917d94
I would go with this and add a new mon. Also when EVing your mons, make sure to use the sliders! Your EV spreads were a bit suboptimal for VGC, which uses level 50 mons

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:53 AM

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proud forum https://pokepast.es/b617fcd28ed438a5 very aggro team, worried it's too aggro and...

I don't think there's sufficient enough speed control for this team as of rn. idk if Palafin is the best since switching kinda kills your momentum a bit. Your team has 4 darks with I don't think defensively is very helpful to you, like your team gets farmed by TW Tusk or Iron Hands. a bit more type diversity, a couple support options to help round out your HO would be good

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 1:55 AM

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How much speed control is sufficient? Generally

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 1:56 AM

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enough so you outspeed and OHKO stuff

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bc rn your team gets farmed by Tailwind or even just Bundle stuffs

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 1:58 AM

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What other speed control options are popular atm besides RM?

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Trying to determine what could boost this team without changing the core idea

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:03 AM

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RM?

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Talonflame, Booster Bundle Icy Wind are probably the best?

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Maybe Murkrow but that's not exactly the epitome of HO

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you can Screech stuff which might be cool, kinda like Fake Tears Whims back in Gen 8

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:05 AM

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What is HO?

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:06 AM

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Hyper Offense

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:06 AM

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So there is a term for it. Awesome

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:07 AM

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Its definitely a way of playing, its usually pretty read heavy, as in games are decided really quickly

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but its definitely a playstyle, will probably grow in S3 with Ruins

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:08 AM

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Thank you for your help, one last question for now and I'll quit bothering you lol. What supports are good with HO?

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Or, like, are the general good answers good here too?

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:25 AM

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I would try Talonflame TW first

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:27 AM

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ty

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:28 AM

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Also Dnite Chien Pao is solid for HO too

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:28 AM

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Dnite?

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 2:34 AM

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Dragonite

proud forum Mar 22, 2023, 2:42 AM

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Ah, ty

hidden path Mar 22, 2023, 4:04 AM

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winter gulch AV on Hands, Lorb on Tusk. Knock Off on Meowscarada. The team looks fine on firs...

replacing annihilape rn

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and hands

static mountain Mar 22, 2023, 5:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/276732640acf8096

this is for regulation C

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any changes I should make?

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@winter gulch

winter gulch Mar 22, 2023, 5:58 AM

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I'm not 100% sure of what Glimmora's purpose is, but if you want to consistently get poison onto the firled, you should try Mortal Spin over EP or Energy Ball

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Also idk if Bundle is the best raw attacker since you aren't really using it for Speed Control, I would add Icy Wind or probably swap it imo

static mountain Mar 22, 2023, 5:59 AM

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bundle is mainly for dondozo

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that's the reason I have encore on it

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I just want to build around maushold + annihilape + iron bundle but I have no idea what else to add

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what would you suggest adding to those three?

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@winter gulch

hidden path Mar 22, 2023, 8:18 AM

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is stall viable in s3

honest burrow Mar 22, 2023, 9:38 AM

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hidden path is stall viable in s3

Stall isn’t viable in vgc

austere heron Mar 22, 2023, 10:12 AM

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winter gulch Your team needs more Protect to help you position, Palafin is much better than F...

thank youu, i will give these a go. with the ev spreads i tend to go for the suggested spreads and very rarely change anything myself. but yes i should prolly look a bit more into it 🙂

manic pond Mar 22, 2023, 10:57 AM

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hidden path is stall viable in s3

Certain Pokémon can submit to a stalling role

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The only two being glimmora and wo chien

static mountain Mar 22, 2023, 10:58 AM

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Gargnacl:

manic pond Mar 22, 2023, 10:58 AM

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That guy too yeah

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But moves like toxic spikes, spikes, and stealth rocks

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Are not good

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It’s just that glimmora get toxic debris which you can prompt yourself or play in a way baits out a physical move into glimmora + it gets mortal spin

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And wo chien has the bulk and ability to take full advantage if it’s bulk

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And since it has basically no damage output then using leech seed to stall with it is more optimal then anything else

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And garganacl is just garganacl, it’s been a thing for a minute

cursive mason Mar 22, 2023, 11:59 AM

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hidden path is stall viable in s3

Yeah stally playstyles are pretty good in reg c

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Tbh I’m not sure if they are like real stall since they usually still have some offense

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Glimmora + ting-lu + wo-chien is a decently common core

hidden path Mar 22, 2023, 1:27 PM

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i was playing against my brother on VGC and he used a stealth rock clodsire

cursive mason Mar 22, 2023, 2:13 PM

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Ok that’s probably bad

hidden path Mar 22, 2023, 3:45 PM

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T E R R I B L E

sacred current Mar 22, 2023, 4:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/983e90099ddddee9

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sacred current Mar 22, 2023, 4:13 PM

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That's my first team in VGC, Idk how to build teams and I need help lol

woven rose Mar 22, 2023, 5:06 PM

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Might wanna consider slack off on dirge instead of wisp

gritty cove Mar 22, 2023, 7:06 PM

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hi it''s possible to rate a team for regulation c?

spiral shale Mar 22, 2023, 8:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0dd67a51c1ff9059
been testing maus over volc too

violet notch Mar 22, 2023, 9:39 PM

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hidden path also this

app name?

manic pond Mar 22, 2023, 11:14 PM

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I would change the iron hands ev spread

woven rose Mar 22, 2023, 11:20 PM

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gritty cove hi it''s possible to rate a team for regulation c?

Yes

hidden path Mar 23, 2023, 4:26 AM

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violet notch app name?

not an app

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vgcpastes

winter gulch Mar 23, 2023, 4:27 AM

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Both are pinned

hidden path Mar 23, 2023, 4:30 AM

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yep

gritty cove Mar 23, 2023, 11:39 AM

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ok so that would be the team :

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https://pokepast.es/21d14c857829722f

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manic pond Mar 23, 2023, 3:28 PM

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gritty cove https://pokepast.es/21d14c857829722f

I feel like wo chien takes better advantage of the left overs in comparison to garganacl

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Especially since Garg can just click recover

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I also like av ting lu

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I would consider switching the items up

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They’re ok but I think Sitrus berry amoongus

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Leftover wo chien

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Cover cloak garganacl

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Av ting lu

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Would be something to consider

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And please take spikes off of ting lu

gritty cove Mar 23, 2023, 3:43 PM

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Yeah ting lu set i realized afterwards is ok

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So in regard of team composition you think it's already ok?

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*ting lu set was different, it don't have body slam either

wooden forum Mar 23, 2023, 3:53 PM

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Ight, so I have this team https://pokepast.es/9795ce5b776d184e and in the few (low ladder) matches I played it's been pretty fine so far. But are there maybe improvements/replacements to make the team more better and flexible?

static mountain Mar 23, 2023, 4:14 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4b0e9f122f4f44c8

@winter gulch any changes I should make?

manic pond Mar 23, 2023, 5:41 PM

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gritty cove *ting lu set was different, it don't have body slam either

I think AV is generally just a better set

gritty cove Mar 23, 2023, 7:16 PM

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I can agree, it is quite a beast with that

winter gulch Mar 23, 2023, 7:46 PM

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static mountain https://pokepast.es/4b0e9f122f4f44c8 <@543549395195658240> any changes I should...

I'm really confused as to why Chi-Yu is here, and AV Dragonite isn't too good imo

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Tera Fire Annihilape imo

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and I don't think you need Amoonguss and Maushold on the same team

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woven rose Mar 23, 2023, 9:49 PM

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Something mods will probably tell you is that they’re here to rate teams, not build them for you, just a heads up

My biggest suggestion is a water type like palafin or swift swim floatzel/Drednaw

sand minnow Mar 23, 2023, 9:51 PM

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woven rose Something mods will probably tell you is that they’re here to rate teams, not bu...

Ah okay, sorry about that!

gritty cove Mar 24, 2023, 12:00 AM

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woven rose Something mods will probably tell you is that they’re here to rate teams, not bu...

Ok it makes sense, i'll make the actually changes testing before eventually trying to rate the team again

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(Sorry i messed up the grammar)

woven rose Mar 24, 2023, 12:22 AM

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I’m not trying to chastise, just in reference to this

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 12:35 AM

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~~Also I'm trash at building, asking me won't get you anywhere LOL~~

lost niche Mar 24, 2023, 12:38 AM

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https://pokepast.es/3c6d64d262159900
Okey, I tried to build another team from sctach with a more defensive set for glaceon as you suggested, but it just doesn't work. Fighting is everywhere in this format (iron hand & great tusk) and Arcanine & Gholdengo are problems by themselves. It doesn't matter how much I invest on defenses, Glaceon just isn't capable of surviving two hits, and having a defensive pokemon dying on one turn isn't the ideal.
Also, I tried focusing on a single core (trick room snow) rather than having four, but this just isn't working.
Again, any suggestions would be appreciated.

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 12:40 AM

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lost niche https://pokepast.es/3c6d64d262159900 Okey, I tried to build another team from sc...

I assume Glaceon is the center of your team right?

lost niche Mar 24, 2023, 12:40 AM

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yep

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 12:44 AM

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I won't touch Glaceon, but just note it does give your team a lot of shared weaknesses to Fighting. I'm a bit confused at what Scream Tail is doing here, since Perish doesn't really work that well + its just not that good
Your team also gets absolutely farmed by Flutter, with no Fairy resist and two mons that are weak (+ Bundle with has low SpD)
Since you have so many shared types, imo I would swap a fighting mon out for something that helps you manage Flutter a bit better, and probably swap Scream Tail for something like Arcanine

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something that rounds your whole team out better and covers your weaknesses

lost niche Mar 24, 2023, 12:51 AM

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winter gulch I won't touch Glaceon, but just note it does give your team a lot of shared weak...

welp, I got screaming tail for trick room, so... in that case guess I'll have to redistribute EVs or something. Now, for iron hands, I was thinking of switching it off anyway. Guess I'll try something like Arcanine and annihilape (tho I don't like to have a pokemon exclusively to counter another).
Thank you!

violet notch Mar 24, 2023, 1:40 AM

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is LO flutter still max max timid?

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 1:46 AM

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you could probably run Modest with less speed

static mountain Mar 24, 2023, 3:20 AM

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winter gulch I'm really confused as to why Chi-Yu is here, and AV Dragonite isn't too good im...

what should I change them with then?

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I just wanted chi-yu because of it's damage output after a nasty plot

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and the amoongus is mainly there to deal with dondozo

vale pewter Mar 24, 2023, 7:48 AM

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manic pond What was your idea behind the team

tailwind, grimmsnarl for trick room lol. couldnt check my phone for a while apologies

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@manic pond What would you recommend I change?

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 12:14 PM

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Grimmsnarl isn’t a trick room counter tho

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That’s also like barely an idea

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💀

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First probably use a better tailwind setter

hidden path Mar 24, 2023, 1:12 PM

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what the hell

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did they ban chien pao

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nvm

woven rose Mar 24, 2023, 3:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/efe4a4db4854cdbd
Mostly a stall team that can trap for perish song or leech seed

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manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/53c27fe72ab9326c

drifting onyxBOT Mar 24, 2023, 10:02 PM

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manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:03 PM

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Rate it

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Porfavor

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 10:06 PM

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I'll take a look

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@shrewd horizon you can do it if you want as well

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:14 PM

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manic pond https://pokepast.es/53c27fe72ab9326c

i would drop some defense on the flutter mane to outspeed at least +2 adamant dondozo and drop something on the ting-lu for snarl with a bulkier spread, team looks really solid overall

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:14 PM

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I have solid on arcanine

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Snarl on ting lu

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snalr on arcanine

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beads of ruin

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Is over kill imo

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I have enough special attack reduction

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But I’ll look into the fluttermane spread

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:15 PM

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yeah but snarl ting-lu is very valuable still

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:15 PM

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But why would I need to outspeed if I have wo chien and bulk?

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:15 PM

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and you could even consider espeed rk9 to pick up weakened things

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:15 PM

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shrewd horizon yeah but snarl ting-lu is very valuable still

Yeah but not necessary on this team

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:16 PM

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shrewd horizon and you could even consider espeed rk9 to pick up weakened things

Maybe

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Snalr is very useful tho

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:16 PM

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manic pond But why would I need to outspeed if I have wo chien and bulk?

it also creeps for chi-yu and palafin at the same time

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:16 PM

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Especially on arcanine

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:16 PM

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and since dondozo isnt a lot of extra investment its nice to hit

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:16 PM

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If you show me a spread that lives tera water jet punch a palafin

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And our speeds scarf chi yu

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I’ll use it

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*out

shrewd horizon Mar 24, 2023, 10:19 PM

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There's also a lot of sash and even some av/specs/life orb chi-yu out there which not outspeeding hurts a lot

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your spread also speedties fast annihilape which do exist, and is slower than arcanine which means you get snarled first

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 10:25 PM

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I 100% recommend not running 4 Speed EVs on Flutter

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like bulk is good, but speed is more important lol

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 10:33 PM

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manic pond If you show me a spread that lives tera water jet punch a palafin

252+ Atk Mystic Water Palafin-Hero Jet Punch vs. 148 HP / 4 Def Flutter Mane: 126-148 (84.5 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
148/0/4/196/4/156 hits a good speed tier while living non-tera Jet Punch

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 10:33 PM

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manic pond And our speeds scarf chi yu

You aren't outspeeding scarf without Booster Energy

manic pond Mar 24, 2023, 10:34 PM

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winter gulch You aren't outspeeding scarf without Booster Energy

I’m aware

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 10:36 PM

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If you want a good speed tier and live Tera Water Jet Punch, you can run 84/0/252/12/4/156

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you compromise a bunch of SpA but not much you can do about that

cursive mason Mar 24, 2023, 11:26 PM

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You could calc for Tera water jet punch with tablets active if you don’t want as much defense

woven rose Mar 24, 2023, 11:38 PM

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Imma start playing around with the SpD because of threats like Chi-Yu

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aw crap

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wait

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that wasn't hero

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(ignore me)

winter gulch Mar 24, 2023, 11:44 PM

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84/252 is the least amount of EVs you can invest

cursive mason Mar 25, 2023, 12:11 AM

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Well you can try bold lol

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But I think modest/timid gets more value

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Yeah just double checked modest/timid do get more value

winter gulch Mar 25, 2023, 12:14 AM

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yeah + Def on a mon with base 55 is not great lol

manic pond Mar 25, 2023, 1:18 AM

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Bulky flutter mane is so useful

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I find it so much easier to use than fast flutter mane

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Bc there’s bundle

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And talon flame

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That just completely 😵 flutter

tidal solstice Mar 25, 2023, 4:55 AM

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https://pokepast.es/301865be0379e656 Heyo! A pretty gimmicky team that requires a little help to function! I like the idea of pairing special attackers + lumina crash

drifting onyxBOT Mar 25, 2023, 4:55 AM

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tidal solstice Mar 25, 2023, 5:02 AM

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(haven't set up the tera)

eager crag Mar 25, 2023, 5:05 AM

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https://pokepast.es/41bde94e96aa4897

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2 main modes for my team

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Mode 1) Yeet the child and SUPREMACY, Yeet the Child uses Surf, boosts SUPREMACY, destroys everything

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Mode 2) Twilight and WOAH! a Chien. WOAH! a Chien support Twilight to live as long as possible (with Tablets of Ruin, Snarl, and Pollen Puff), while also being very tanky and hard to get off field (Leech seed and protect with leftovers)

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Filet-o-Fish for even more offensive pressure (since most are SpA) and Walmart Moltres for Speed control

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 5:40 AM

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manic pond First probably use a better tailwind setter

is murkrow not the ideal setter? cant be countered by anything so you get guaranteed tailwind. In any case what do you suggest I replace murkrow/grimmsnarl with and anything else that may be wrong with the team

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 5:51 AM

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vale pewter is murkrow not the ideal setter? cant be countered by anything so you get guara...

There's the pretty common TalonTusk core, which ngl seems like a better version of your garchomp + murkrow

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Would make Brute Bonnet loaded + Bullet Seed, something like this Brute Bonnet @ Loaded Dice
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 68 HP / 180 Atk / 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 SpA

Bullet Seed
Sucker Punch
Spore
Protect

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 5:56 AM

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shrewd horizon There's the pretty common TalonTusk core, which ngl seems like a better version ...

what makes it better? trying to understand building choices

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 5:57 AM

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talonflame has will o wisp which is just very valuable rn

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and its brave birds will hit pokemon like bundle and flutter a lot harder than foul play

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you generally want to run something like cloak or goggles rn while murk is forced to eviolite/sash

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murk is viable but on this core i would definitively go talonflame

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Great Tusk is also generally better than Chomp on these TW teams because its 120 BP stabs are really hard to deal with in Tailwind

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:01 AM

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ah I see

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:01 AM

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shrewd horizon Great Tusk is also generally better than Chomp on these TW teams because its 120...

does tusk need any speed

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:01 AM

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its generally max/max with sash

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:02 AM

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interesting, isn't the TW boost enough to run bulk on most things?

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:02 AM

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its lowering defenses a lot and flutter and bundle still pressure it

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and the speed can help it when tailwind turns off

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then you can icy wind + attack with bundle and tusk

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Though i ran adamant at Utrecht and preferred that because you still outspeed bundle and flutter at -1

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:04 AM

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Great Tusk @ Focus Sash
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 4 HP / 248 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

Ice Spinner
Rock Slide
Close Combat
Headlong Rush
Something like this? could also opt for protect

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:05 AM

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oh never run 248 atk in vgc

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it doesnt give any extra points over 244

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:05 AM

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smogon kept auto changing it

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:05 AM

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but yeah protect over rock slide

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:06 AM

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I know very little about actual mechanics what spread is ideal

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:06 AM

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the first ev is 4 point

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and everything after is 8

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so 4, 12, 20, 28, 36 etc

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Anything in between is suboptimal

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:07 AM

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ah I see

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252 attack or just 12 in defense? I assume there was at least some reason it was forcing it away from 252 though

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:08 AM

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tbh just ignore the spreads showdown gives you

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theyre generally not great

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Just 252 atk is best

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:10 AM

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https://pokepast.es/70ca3e1eaadb6847
How is this at the minute? flutter mane just there cause that guy said no grimmsnarl

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:10 AM

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btw if you dont know what to run on a pokemon i got like 40 ish pokemon up on the vgc smogondex

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https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/formats/vgc23-series-2/

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:10 AM

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ah sweet

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I've been looking at usage stats rn which is helping with the more basic shit asw

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:11 AM

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But yeah i like the flutter mane there

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:11 AM

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shrewd horizon But yeah i like the flutter mane there

as for the set I am assuming protect again

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:12 AM

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Just 3 stabs + protect imo

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:12 AM

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yeah

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I probably dont utilize protect enough in matches

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:13 AM

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i would go terafairy flutter mane and teraground tusk

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Just so their stab moves hit even harder

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oh and run way more speed on bundle and flutter

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:14 AM

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uhh how do I not get fucked by trick room

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:14 AM

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Ice Spinner great tusk

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You take away their psychic terrain

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:15 AM

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trick room flutter mane sweeped me

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:15 AM

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oh you just taunt it

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:15 AM

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problem is

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:15 AM

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prob take some spreads from this https://pokepast.es/cfbeea8bfd8d0f08

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:16 AM

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safety goggles over covert?

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:16 AM

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both work fine

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i was concerned about the lillikoal mu

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:16 AM

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fakeout annoys me more ill probably stick with that

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:16 AM

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but i never even ended up playing it lmao

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:17 AM

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how do you create these spreads by the way

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id rather not be relying on copying shit forever

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:17 AM

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you can

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I copied the bundle spread LOL

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And i assumed it was for flutter and went with it

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:17 AM

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yeah its great until you want to build something that deviates from strict meta

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:18 AM

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you generally just look at speed benchmark and how offensive and how bulky you want to be tbh

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Dont try too hard to calc for something

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if you find an important calc go for it

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but searching for calcs that will rarely happen in practice is so unnessecary

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:19 AM

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the eventual goal is to bully people with dumb shit

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so I need to figure out how good shit works yk

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:19 AM

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shrewd horizon you generally just look at speed benchmark and how offensive and how bulky you w...

like for flutter mane it was faster than adamant dondozo and i went for the highest nature bump

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:19 AM

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shrewd horizon you generally just look at speed benchmark and how offensive and how bulky you w...

is there a list of these benchmarks btw

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:19 AM

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Then rest was thrown into HP

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im considering making a speed tier thingy at some point but not currently

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you kinda just learn them after a while though

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:20 AM

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yeah fair

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now how should I actually be playing this team im getting slapped the fuck around rn

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I am usually losing first turn

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and cant recover

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 6:25 AM

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https://youtu.be/la89UtG7F6Y i would watch this to get a good idea

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hes one of the best in the game and using a very similiar team

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 6:26 AM

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alright cheers

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suicidal

violet notch Mar 25, 2023, 10:32 AM

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gotta have weather control

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 11:39 AM

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violet notch gotta have weather control

now how might I achieve that in this situation my friend

violet notch Mar 25, 2023, 12:31 PM

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you wont

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i mean on the team in general

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sun is really good rn

manic pond Mar 25, 2023, 12:34 PM

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vale pewter now how might I achieve that in this situation my friend

You needed to protect and tailwind

vale pewter Mar 25, 2023, 1:14 PM

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manic pond You needed to protect and tailwind

I see

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actually the turn before mightve had trick room up

fleet moss Mar 25, 2023, 2:16 PM

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Thoughts on this team?
https://pokepast.es/6941b8d483abb711

drifting onyxBOT Mar 25, 2023, 2:16 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

cursive mason Mar 25, 2023, 3:16 PM

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There’s a distinct lack of protect on this team

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Ghold palafin and amoong should all probably have protect

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Protect over recover on Ghold, protect over clear smog on amoong, and then the palafin can be wave crash jet punch haze protect

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Also I personally think the Tera flying dnite set is better, with espeed Tera blast ice spinner

fleet moss Mar 25, 2023, 4:03 PM

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cursive mason Protect over recover on Ghold, protect over clear smog on amoong, and then the p...

I need Clear Smog though for Dodonzo

cursive mason Mar 25, 2023, 4:03 PM

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That’s why you run haze Pala

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Also I’m not really sure about gambit on this team, feels kinda weird

manic pond Mar 25, 2023, 4:15 PM

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fleet moss Thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/6941b8d483abb711

You need to like

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Look at sets online

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Bc there’s a lot of weird sets and items that just are not the best

fleet moss Mar 25, 2023, 4:16 PM

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okay

fleet moss Mar 25, 2023, 4:19 PM

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manic pond You need to like

is there any of my pokemon that already has optimal sets?

manic pond Mar 25, 2023, 4:23 PM

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No

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They like all have atleast one weird move

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I mean kingambit is fine but it could be a better

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Set

bold creek Mar 25, 2023, 4:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3fcbe5c533a4bebd

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thoughts on this team

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random regulation c team lol

shrewd horizon Mar 25, 2023, 9:03 PM

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bold creek https://pokepast.es/3fcbe5c533a4bebd

Wouldnt recommend running calm mind espathra in vgc, takes way too long to setup and before it sets up its basically a dead slot, why chomp? Tusk gets the protosynthesis boost, run something like encore on maus instead of tickle

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Also why tera bug terablast instead of teragrass energy ball?

bold creek Mar 25, 2023, 9:44 PM

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ruin pokemon

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honestly the team was memes lol Was bored

rough scroll Mar 25, 2023, 11:01 PM

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Hello!

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I'm looking for help with my Chilly Reception team here: https://pokepast.es/b81c4573476b6b39

drifting onyxBOT Mar 25, 2023, 11:01 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rough scroll Mar 25, 2023, 11:02 PM

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I caught a perfect IV Slowking, and I found the move Chilly Reception was a signature move... so I decided to try Baxcalibur with it.

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I'm looking for suggestions for what else could fit better than what I've got there.

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Flutter Mane does pull it's weight.

rough scroll Mar 25, 2023, 11:21 PM

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It's like ghouldengo doesn't get used at all...

eager crag Mar 26, 2023, 4:49 AM

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https://pokepast.es/41bde94e96aa4897

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2 main modes for my team
Mode 1) Yeet the child and SUPREMACY, Yeet the Child uses Surf, boosts SUPREMACY, destroys everything
Mode 2) Twilight and WOAH! a Chien. WOAH! a Chien support Twilight to live as long as possible (with Tablets of Ruin, Snarl, and Pollen Puff), while also being very tanky and hard to get off field (Leech seed and protect with leftovers)

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Walmart Moltres for Speed control, Filet-o-Fish for even more offensive pressure

plain kestrel Mar 26, 2023, 4:52 AM

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Put the nicknames in the bag and nobody gets hurt.🔫🧳

eager crag Mar 26, 2023, 4:53 AM

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No

plain kestrel Mar 26, 2023, 4:54 AM

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🫡

eager crag Mar 26, 2023, 5:01 AM

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plain kestrel 🫡

Do you have any thoughts on the team?

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or do you just like the names...

plain kestrel Mar 26, 2023, 5:07 AM

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The only think I’d change is Tera poison on your WOAH

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 6:19 AM

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rough scroll I'm looking for help with my Chilly Reception team here: https://pokepast.es/b81...

Give amoonguss rage powder, palafin jet punch, gholdengo max HP and max SpA and add some form of speed control. Slowking and chilly reception arent viable though tbh

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 6:21 AM

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shrewd horizon Give amoonguss rage powder, palafin jet punch, gholdengo max HP and max SpA and ...

Thanks... are you sure it isn't viable? I was really hoping to make it work.

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 6:22 AM

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yeah, slowking isnt great on its own (especially without scald now) so there are just better ways to set snow, like abomasnow who also has aurora veil or immediate offensive pressure with blizzard

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 6:23 AM

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I just found it as an odd quirk, and thought it might be possible ;_;

winter gulch Mar 26, 2023, 6:29 AM

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Yeah its quite solid in Singles, but in Doubles its not exactly great because you generally waste a full turn that they can also be using to attack the other partner

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and generally little progress is made

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which is ok in singles because it means they aren't making progress either, but its not quite the same in doubles

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 6:30 AM

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in singles its also mostly used as a teleport replacement afaik

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to just get the free pivot

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 6:30 AM

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OK.

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I've made the changes you suggested, we'll see how they shake out.

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 7:11 AM

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This just isn't working ;_;

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 10:57 AM

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Can someone recommend to me how to use Slowking in VGC?

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Or is this the wrong channel for that?

bold creek Mar 26, 2023, 11:30 AM

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slowling

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snow

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so have iron bundle

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or maybe just hyper offense

rough scroll Mar 26, 2023, 11:35 AM

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slowling?

manic pond Mar 26, 2023, 6:21 PM

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It should be used as a bulky trick setter

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With something like chilling water

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For extra support

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The set is entirely dependent on what your team needs

winter gulch Mar 26, 2023, 6:27 PM

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If you can avoid Slowking I probably would, idt its the best

manic pond Mar 26, 2023, 6:36 PM

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Facts

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But you can take advantage of telepathy it’s bulk and supporting moves

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So if you wanna use it

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Use it like that

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 6:38 PM

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manic pond But you can take advantage of telepathy it’s bulk and supporting moves

tbh regen is much better

manic pond Mar 26, 2023, 6:39 PM

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Oh shit it doesn’t even get telepathy

winter gulch Mar 26, 2023, 6:51 PM

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~~in the future make sure what you say is correct before you say it~~

woven rose Mar 26, 2023, 7:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/853bd7ca8dfbe615
thoughts? I keep revising stuff and then throwing it away ;-;

drifting onyxBOT Mar 26, 2023, 7:22 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 7:27 PM

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Actually looks very solid, would run specs flutter on maus teams though

woven rose Mar 26, 2023, 7:33 PM

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I feel like the beads of ruin kind of covers for the damage output. I have had the sash pop a lot. I'll try specs a little bit

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 7:34 PM

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woven rose I feel like the beads of ruin kind of covers for the damage output. I have had t...

with maus friend guard bulky specs flut can actually be surprisingly bulky

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and then you still have a lot more damage output than sash

woven rose Mar 26, 2023, 7:35 PM

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I didn't actually consider that. I guess maus doesn't really see flutter much when I've been playing 😅

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Anything you think I could change the chi-yu tera to? I feel like I don't tera it much and it dies a lot so maybe a defensive tera?

shrewd horizon Mar 26, 2023, 7:38 PM

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you can try ghost/grass

woven rose Mar 26, 2023, 7:38 PM

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I have seen a lot of grass tera. I'll try it out

manic pond Mar 26, 2023, 11:15 PM

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I would also do flutter specs

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Bulky tera steel

woven rose Mar 27, 2023, 12:57 AM

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manic pond I would also do flutter specs

choice scarf has me thinking to win speed ties with chien-pao

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also outspeeds max speed scaft chi-yu

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:08 AM

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https://pokepast.es/a25ebc490218c7c1

drifting onyxBOT Mar 27, 2023, 7:08 AM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:09 AM

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'decent' sun team

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My only problem is countering dragon types

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so any recommendations helps

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:13 AM

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proud osprey https://pokepast.es/a25ebc490218c7c1

Why the choice for scovillain instead of lilligant? Because it outspeeds speedboost bundle/flutter and has after you to pair with eruption torkoal its generally the preferred option

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:13 AM

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Okay I shall quickly explain :)

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:13 AM

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would also run av kingambit, moonblast > thunderbolt on flutter and change the eject paxk

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:14 AM

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Overheat + Ejectpack on torkoal was a gimmick that ive jsut kinda stayed with for an easy turn 1 pivot

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But ueah should probably change that

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As for scovillian over lilligant, I just wanna win with scovillian. I dont care too much for how bad it is or whatever, Scovillian is my fav and I want it on the team

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EevShrug

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:17 AM

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shrewd horizon would also run av kingambit, moonblast > thunderbolt on flutter and change the e...

What move should I switch for protect in that case on av kingambit

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:17 AM

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Terablast

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:38 AM

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Would it be better if I replaced any of the team members?

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:41 AM

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shrewd horizon Why the choice for scovillain instead of lilligant? Because it outspeeds speedbo...

Base stat for Lilligant outspeeding Bundle/Flutter- No, it doesnt really outspeed

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:43 AM

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it does

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because of evs

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lilligant hits 156 bundle hits 206

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156x2 = 312 206x1.5 = 309

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:43 AM

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Ahh I see, thanks

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My bad

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:44 AM

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proud osprey https://pokepast.es/a25ebc490218c7c1

You can try yawn tork instead of solar beam

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:45 AM

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catbug_nod

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:49 AM

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oh and youre wasting a lot of evs on arcanine

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:50 AM

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I see, what would you recommend

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:50 AM

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148 spdef 36 spe 68 def

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and then put the gained 4 evs into atk

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should give u 2 evs more than what you had before

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:51 AM

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am i keeping the 252 hp?

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 7:51 AM

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yeah

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 7:52 AM

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Ahh oki doki

manic pond Mar 27, 2023, 11:03 AM

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proud osprey so any recommendations helps

Don’t use scovillain

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 11:04 AM

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No :)

manic pond Mar 27, 2023, 11:15 AM

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Well

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I tried my best

proud osprey Mar 27, 2023, 11:17 AM

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Thanks for trying :)

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 1:47 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b07a432e65033d2e
Basic series c team

drifting onyxBOT Mar 27, 2023, 1:47 PM

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New VGC RMT @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch, @shrewd horizon. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 1:53 PM

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You really dont need haze and clear smog

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 1:56 PM

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What should i get rid of

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2d6155bd65a2fabd

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:37 PM

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fast ether What should i get rid of

I would just run protect instead of haze

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:37 PM

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pl rae

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pls rate*

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:38 PM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/2d6155bd65a2fabd

what should i get rid of

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the sableye is pretty helpful

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:39 PM

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fast ether https://pokepast.es/b07a432e65033d2e Basic series c team

also i would make dnite inner focus and drop fire Punch for facade, this makes chien pao dnite able to deal with rk9 a lot better

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and honestly im not entirely sure what gyara adds synergy-wise because the rest of the team looks a lot more HO

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:40 PM

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shrewd horizon and honestly im not entirely sure what gyara adds synergy-wise because the rest ...

could you rate mine?

winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:41 PM

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He's getting to it, he's only one person

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:41 PM

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kk

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mb

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 2:41 PM

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shrewd horizon and honestly im not entirely sure what gyara adds synergy-wise because the rest ...

Gyarados is a setup sweeper who can outspeed almost everyone with a dd

winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:41 PM

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I cannot view pokepastes rn because my school has it blocked -_-

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:41 PM

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use setupvpn

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or browsec vpn

shrewd horizon Mar 27, 2023, 2:42 PM

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fast ether Gyarados is a setup sweeper who can outspeed almost everyone with a dd

yeah but the majority of your team looks like it wants to just blow up your opponent fast

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and not really have the time to setup

fast ether Mar 27, 2023, 2:42 PM

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Gyarados is typically either part of my start with amongus, or not in play at all

winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:43 PM

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hidden path or browsec vpn

VPNs are banned, the student council president breaking rules really isn't a great idea

hidden path Mar 27, 2023, 2:43 PM

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lol

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kk

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same for me, but rules are meant to be broken

winter gulch Mar 27, 2023, 2:44 PM

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hidden path https://pokepast.es/2d6155bd65a2fabd

Also hazards (with the exception of Glimmora) aren't really great in VGC, the turn you spend setting them up usually isn't worth the value you could have gotten from using another move (and having another move)

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