#VGC Rates

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manic pond
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Even with the bulkiest gholdengo it’s a roll

wide nacelle
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No

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It’s not a guaranteed ohko

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And he wants one

manic pond
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It usually is

fresh flume
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Or at least the safety goggle

manic pond
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Not everyone runs max hp max defense

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Why would you adjust based on just one really niche matchup?

wide nacelle
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252+ Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gholdengo: 288-338 (76.1 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

fresh flume
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I would prefer the guaranteed knock out, but I would noramally have a partner mom anyway

wide nacelle
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252+ Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 252 HP / 4+ Def Gholdengo: 362-428 (95.7 - 113.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

manic pond
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Tf?

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😭

wide nacelle
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That’s the bulkiest gholdengo

manic pond
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No one is running that bafootery

manic pond
wide nacelle
manic pond
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There’s no point in giving it charcoal

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Goggles or Sitrus is just better

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It’s more consistent

fresh flume
wide nacelle
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But for the argument I’d stay with arcanine

fresh flume
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Even though both do ohko the standard set

wide nacelle
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After all the math arcanine has a higher chance of ohko than the bull

fresh flume
fresh flume
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I’ll just need to outplay the svreens players in the end

manic pond
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Taurus is more offensive

wide nacelle
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The most standard bulk set for gholdengo would be 252 hp and 4 physical defense

manic pond
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Arcanine is more defensive

manic pond
wide nacelle
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Only 75% of the time

manic pond
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I run my gholdengo 252/92

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Lmao

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Menace shit

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116 spa

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1 speed

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And I think 44 spdf

fresh flume
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Lol

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I think ima stick with my dog then

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Thanks for the help

wide nacelle
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Also for the math if the gholdengo has 252 in hp tauros can’t ohko unless there is a crit

fresh flume
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Ahh ok so it’s still a bad idea, unless I were a true menace and ran flare blitz instead of protect

wide nacelle
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While arcanine can ohko

fresh flume
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Thanks

wide nacelle
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Mhm

manic pond
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Dog can literally snarl

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And gholdengo is no longer an issue after that

honest burrow
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Is this rental team I found any good?

drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

winter gulch
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Why is the paste and rental different?

honest burrow
honest burrow
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What do you think about it?

manic pond
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Wtf does room service do?

valid mesa
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We don't rate teams that aren't originally your own, but we'd be happy to discuss them in the comp gen channels. This had some tour success, but it's probably been left far enough behind in the meta now

honest burrow
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Ok

manic pond
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@winter gulch

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im having trouble with the 6th slot

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i want a bulky tailwind mon

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i tried moon

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but it keeps gettign wisp\

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way too inconsistent

winter gulch
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Your team rn is really weak to Arcanine

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also Perish without Goth is kinda weird

manic pond
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my fault

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supposed to be gleam

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i was thinking of adding lum bery dragonite

winter gulch
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Also if Wisp if a problem you could consider options like Misty Terrain Grimm (although I'm not sure Grimm is needed on this team since I think you might want some more immediate damage)

manic pond
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wait

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cant i just add bundle?

winter gulch
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you can LOL

manic pond
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for speed control

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and better arcanine match up

winter gulch
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Yeah that's a solid option, Booster probably works on your team

manic pond
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yeah thats what i aws thinking

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what would the set be?

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icy wind for sure

winter gulch
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Icy Wind Hydro Freeze Dry Protect probably

manic pond
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but i think a bulkier bundle would work well on this team

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with encore no portect

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special defense investment

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and almost max hp

winter gulch
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then you aren't Fake Out weak on Bundle

manic pond
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im already not fake out weak with a ghost type and portect on every mon

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plus terag ghost on grim

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i like booster on this team

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bc im looking of r means of speed control

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and i dont want t be outsped by opposing booster energy mons

sand minnow
manic pond
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ive never seen chesto berry annhilape but i lowkey fuck with it

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since you already have the chesto berry covering for will o wisp and spore

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i lowkey would suggest tera ghost

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get the most out of rage fists, and remove your fairy wekness

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i would say goggles maushold tera ghost to get around fake out and rage powder

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sitrus berry amoongus

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i would reconsider hydreigon

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maybe something like bulky dragonite instead

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with multiscale

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or even corvinkight

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but hydreigon isnt the best rn bc of fluttermane

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and just put reocver on garganacl instead of helping hand

sand minnow
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Alright thank you

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Also i heard hazards are becoming more common so defog might be useful soon

lost niche
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I built the team around glaceon; please give me any suggestion, but to remove glaceon.

sand minnow
manic pond
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I think a left over set

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Or Sitrus berry set would be better than specs

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With protect blizzard freeze dry and shadow ball

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I feel like there’s too much going on with not enough commitment to one archetype

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Since you’re running indeedee armourouge

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I would add a Pokémon which more heavily benefits the truck room side of your team

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Rather than cetitan

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Which currently is not very good

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Also

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I would give the snowman light clay instead of sash

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And def get that assault vest off of bundle and give it either booster or sash

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Maybe even the choice specs

manic pond
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I don’t really see anything wrong

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I would give the sash to flutter

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Since life orb flutter although good is def a higher skill cap

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A lot harder to use

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And give kingambit one of two sets

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Life orb - sucker punch kowtow kleave iron head protect

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Or

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Assault vest - assurance (or just kleave) sucker punch iron head tera blast (tera flying)

winter gulch
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@lost niche I would probably recommend some type of supportive set with moves like Yawn and Helping Hand

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on Glaceon

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I think Specs could work, you would just need to position it well

sand minnow
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A. Fake out is bad with indeedee arma cos psych terrain so swap it for detect in case of imprison

B. You don’t need screens on indeedee as its meant to be redirection and you have no damaging moves so taunt will destroy you so I recommend taking out screens for helping hand to power up expanding force and also put in dazzling gleam. Also swap tera psychic for tera fairy on indeedee

C. Go life orb on arma as charcoal’s usually meant for torkoal sets

D. Go tera ghost on bundle in case of drain punch/close combat from great tusk and iron hands

E. Safety goggles arcanine doesn’t need much attack investment and needs to focus on bulk as its an intimidate support role.

F. You have no mons to force switch outs or put to sleep so I would replace trailblaze with yawn

G. Quick attack on sylveon has negative synergy with indeedee cos again psychic terrain. Replace it with tera blast and replace tera fairy with something like tera water or ground

H. Wide guard armarouge is inconsistent and is too much of a gamble so swap it for protect for more consistency

pure crystal
drifting onyxBOT
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valid mesa
valid mesa
honest burrow
drifting onyxBOT
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hidden path
manic pond
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And why goggles on tatsugiri?

hidden path
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on tatsu idk

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but i felt like i wanted a loom with a mix of good stab offense and some decent support, cuz of tatsu-dozo

manic pond
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Yeah but why those two mons specifically

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Like if you don’t have them for a specific reason there are a lot better mons

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And I wouldn’t recommend goggles on giri

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Probably something like sash or Sitrus

hidden path
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what's a replacement for gengar?

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i need a haze user

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(though not murkrow)

winter gulch
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Haze isn't exactly necessary when you have Dozo yourself , you would just need to play the early game well to beat that

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Also I would highly recommend looking at some sample teams (check the pinned link) because the sets you're using are really weird and generally unoptimal

honest burrow
manic pond
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Roaring moon is a weird Pokémon in the sense where you don’t need it’s stab move

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If you want hyper offense I would run max speed max attack with tera flying acrobatics

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Throat chop

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Protect

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And dragon dance

pure crystal
honest burrow
manic pond
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Ooooh you’re bulky on this thing

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Roost snarl are good

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Lowkey I think your set is fine

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You could add tera flying acrobatics instead of iron head

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Iron head is kind of there for no reason since you can snarl down flutter mane

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And acrobatics would do more damage anyways

honest burrow
fleet moss
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I made this team, I wanted to use a Dragonite, and thought using a bunch of single targetting nukes alongside it would ensure OHKOs or sometimes even a double OHKO. Here is the team, after a bit of testing, doubting if I still want to use Trick Room.
https://pokepast.es/528ac99a07a7daff

drifting onyxBOT
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cursive mason
fleet moss
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ty

fleet moss
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to mind game the opponent into expecting a flip turn into Dondozo

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and for them to bring counters to that specifically

silver violet
tropic tinsel
manic pond
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Just tera and acrobatics

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No need for iron hesd

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Acrobatics is just better

manic pond
silver violet
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Rain team

manic pond
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Can you explain the idea behind the team?

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Apart from just “rain”

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Bc if you want a rain team then there are so many better options

dense widget
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I'm doing something with a sun team so i can abuse proto fluttermane and have torkoal be generally helpful

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Not sure if charizard is eligble for doubles but /shrug

dense widget
drifting onyxBOT
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violet notch
cursive mason
hidden path
winter gulch
winter gulch
winter gulch
hidden path
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worked well so far

fleet moss
hidden path
drifting onyxBOT
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bold creek
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anyone wanna go on call and do a random teambuild?

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Just cause Im kinda bored

manic pond
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Build around Grimm gholdengo

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That shut is fire

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this is the team ive been running and i reached 1400 for the first time

bold creek
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niceee

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Lol I reached like 1600 on my alt accountnwith double weather looool

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this is the team

manic pond
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I wanna try to use t tar

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That mom looks fire

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*mom

violet notch
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i think its the one im keeping

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at this point ill only be making minor adjustments like items/evs/moves

winter gulch
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@lost phoenix

balmy valley
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I like how Jugulis is B-tier

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I'll pretend like I don't know why toise

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I don't really agree with how Gothitelle is A, but

cursive mason
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Goth is like minimum a- with its results, had a really good showing at Orlando and Knoxville top cut usage wise and has won every s2 competition except for ocic, shadow tag is just really good and it has a lot of other good support tools

lost phoenix
manic pond
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It’s so good

balmy valley
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eh reasonable

winter gulch
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Goth is definitely A-Tier (imo)

balmy valley
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When I use it (which is probably not well) it doesn't apply much pressure outside "haha you can't switch" and first-turn fake out

winter gulch
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Not being able to switch is huge

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you can punish them so hard

spiral shale
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also tr

cursive mason
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You basically force them to get the lead right or lead a ghost type

spiral shale
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and charm

cursive mason
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Also goth can do actual damage to some mons

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Like hands bundle and Tusk, although tbf hands is like a 3HKO lol

winter gulch
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STAB Psychic does a surprisingly high amount of damage

fossil jolt
drifting onyxBOT
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balmy valley
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I'd suggest going Tera Steel and Protect over Tera Blast

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though you lose the matchup into Tusk you aren't scared of Bundle

manic pond
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For series three

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I’m running wo-chien

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Exclusively

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Wo-Chien @ Leftovers
Ability: Tablets of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 220 Def / 12 SpA / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Leech Seed
  • Foul Play
  • Giga Drain
  • Protect
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this set boutta go crazy

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😭

balmy valley
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i'd go ruination over foul play

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50% chunk from full is pretty good

manic pond
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i didnt even know that was a move

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thaks

balmy valley
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also you want 60 SpA to OHKO bundle

plucky hinge
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Is 4 HP/4 Def/244 SpAtk/4 SpDef/252 Speed Timid a good walking wake spread?

balmy valley
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Walking Wake not in VGC so we don't know

drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

honest burrow
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Anyone willing to help me team prep for vgc s3? Looking to make a tr team with my previous garg set (leftovers, ghost Tera, s. Cure, curse, recover, protect) and another unexpected set from a Pokémon?

honest burrow
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The new rules allow paradox mons (aside the new raid ones) and legendary Pokémon (not box legends), no Home transferable mons

manic pond
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wo chien

honest burrow
shy flare
umbral crystal
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I need some help with my VGC team revision? Since the Ruin Pokemon will soon be allowed I was planning on swapping my Hydreigon out with Chi-Yu since it was a nice upgrade now that Hydreigon has fallen off but when I plugged my team into Marriland I realized I have some very prominent shared weaknesses and I was hoping I could get some insight into how to fix this team?

Lycanroc, Tyranitar, Salazzle, Chi-Yu, (Volcarona), Iron Bundle

Right now I’m thinking it would be best to swap out Volcorona since it shared too many weaknesses with the rest of my team. It’s role in my team is to have access to BOTH redirection (Rage Powder) AND Tailwind.

The only other Pokémon with access to this specific set is Jumpluff with a notable 110 speed and decent defensive stats and typing. The other option would be Vivillon with notable ability Friend Guard

I was redirected to this channel and it seems some people don’t think I need redirection on my team but I’m not convinced, I do still feel I need a tailwind setter

manic pond
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I would just get rid of salazzle and lycanroc

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And add a tailwind setter

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Can you post your team?

umbral crystal
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Lycan is part of the TTar core. And Salazzle is a great support, I’ll post the paste in a sec but I might have lost what my TTAR EV spread was? Oops

manic pond
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Post it

umbral crystal
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Sorry about the wait, I lost the set for TTar, Salazzle, and Bundle. I found all but the bundle (I forgot how many Defense EV I ran)

drifting onyxBOT
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umbral crystal
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Damn that’s a bummer I lost my Iron Bundle set! All I remember was it was made defensive enough to survive something with a Gholdengo

umbral crystal
winter gulch
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Why do you have so many fire types? @umbral crystal

manic pond
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youre very weak to ground types

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and rock types

umbral crystal
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I uhhhh funny you mention that. Originally I ran Focus Energy Hydreigon but with the new rule set and with the fact that Hydreigon seems to be falling off I wanted to swap it with Chi-Yu but after I did I saw I shared too many weaknesses

manic pond
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garchomp rolls you

umbral crystal
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I’m looking to change Volcarona

umbral crystal
winter gulch
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your team doesn't have much synergy together

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also you don't need 3 special fire types, choose one of them for your team and choose 2 other mons to help support your team better

manic pond
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i would keep volcarona

umbral crystal
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Volc is going, I asked around what would be a good replacement, I still think Tailwind and Redirection is important for the team which only leaves Jumpluff (110 speed) and Vivillon (Friend Guard)

manic pond
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volc is the most consitent fire type on your team

winter gulch
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I think trying to force certain roles onto teams isn't a great way to teambuild

umbral crystal
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I could ignore Chi yu and keep Hydreigon gut I feel like I’m getting out paced in the meta

winter gulch
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Also trying to force Paradox/Ruins isn't necessary

umbral crystal
winter gulch
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they should be added to your team if they help better your team

manic pond
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chi yu just doesn work well on this team imo

winter gulch
umbral crystal
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I thought it could replace Hydreigon but maybe I jumped the gun

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It was easy to add Bundle at first because of his speed type and speed control, I thought I could swap Hyd with chi since they had similar speed and both designed for large damage

manic pond
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what are you trying to accomplish with this team?

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like whats the idea behind it?

winter gulch
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Also how much testing have you done with this team?

umbral crystal
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TTar core, quickly breaks through a lot of cores and with its bulk last quite awhile, once lycan is exhausted the rest of the team is used to support. In cases where lycan TTar is hard countered then (Hydreigon) is used as a win con paired with Salazzle as its premier support

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Bundle and volc are used to help with the teams mediocre speed or other type flaws

umbral crystal
manic pond
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i dont like lycanroc but it works with hyper offense

umbral crystal
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But that being said I’ve never used chi yu

manic pond
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personally i would run it with dondozo tatsugiri

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and have another hyperofeensive core

umbral crystal
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I hate Dozo

manic pond
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like fluttermane iron moth

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or flutter mane chi yu

umbral crystal
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I don’t like how it plays and I’m also terrible at using Dozo :/

manic pond
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but thats the optimal way of running roc + ttar

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personally idont think that core is good enough to build around

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it can certainly work but it is extermely inconsistent

winter gulch
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because that team is far from optimal rn imo

manic pond
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youre extremely weak to fake out

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palafin

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iron hands

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just generally strong mons

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that you have no counter for

umbral crystal
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Salazzle out speeds with its own fake out

manic pond
umbral crystal
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Also yes hands is tough for me

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I though about sylveon at one point

manic pond
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if you want to build around ttar roc

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my suggestion is dozo giri

umbral crystal
winter gulch
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matchup

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Like your current team also doesn't have a Dozo counter/check?

umbral crystal
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Thank you

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Hydreigon was originally

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Crit meteor

manic pond
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i would run dozo giri

umbral crystal
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I kinda forgot about that

manic pond
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and then a dozo counter

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something like ttar roc dozo giri flutterman iron moth

umbral crystal
manic pond
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are you new to VGC

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?

umbral crystal
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?

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I’ve played before but I’m not at the point where I would be good or anything

manic pond
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im asking bc every new player hates running dozo giri

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for like no reason

umbral crystal
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It’s hard to utilize now more then ever

manic pond
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VGC is hard in general

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it hard to makes things work bc sometimes matchups are just not good

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you have to build and play around them

umbral crystal
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I know now more then ever before

manic pond
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dozo giri is a really strong comp

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and fits very well with ttar roc

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there was a team that reached top of the aldder in the beginning of series three with that composition

umbral crystal
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If I should focus more on hyper offensive should I change up volc for something that’s not supportive but offensive?

manic pond
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priority talowind would be more optimal

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or just two fast mons

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bc you have speed control with sand and roc

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and bulk with ttar

umbral crystal
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Talonflame or should I use murkrow? I know krow has been dropped recently

manic pond
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so tqo mons with high ofeensive pressure and a good speed tier should go well

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you could run talonflame great tusk

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again personally

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iron moth

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with booster energy

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and flutter mane with specs

winter gulch
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Can I ask why we are making the team HO?

manic pond
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would be my decision

umbral crystal
manic pond
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i always make teams for funsies

winter gulch
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yeah but if you're helping someone else out, you shouldn't be doing that

umbral crystal
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If I DO go talon tusk I would have to drop bundle

winter gulch
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?

umbral crystal
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To me I kinda don’t want to drop the Hydreigon core too

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But idk maybe I have to

valid mesa
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I mean at this point it sounds like we've basically butchered your team

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If you check our pins here @umbral crystal, you'll find the Falinks teambuilder

umbral crystal
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I tried to mix the armordeedee core together in the very beginning for season 1 but tha#t didn’t feel great even tho recently a team placed high in a tournament with that

valid mesa
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It's a bunch of teams that have all had some level of success

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And you can search up Pokemon you'd like to use

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And it'll give you any teams that have those Pokemon. It's worth checking out to see what teams that have done well try to do, and it gives you a chance to play with a proven team. When you get more experience, you'll be able to make better teams

umbral crystal
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I see only one team still utilized roc tar

valid mesa
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It's a place to start from but think of it the other way

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If only one team has LycanTar

manic pond
valid mesa
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And these are all teams that have had success

manic pond
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ive seen it run like this

valid mesa
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What does that tell you about LycanTar?

manic pond
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this a team type i would recommend

umbral crystal
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Or possible inconsistent

valid mesa
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If it was good, it would be used more

valid mesa
umbral crystal
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No one runs TTar Dozo anymore anyways

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Dozo is a lot harder to use these days so if you want to use it you have to be very good with it

pure crystal
manic pond
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ttar dozo goes well with dozo tatsugiri

umbral crystal
manic pond
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i think something like that owuld be th eonly way to run it

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idk

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i dont think its a good archetype at all

umbral crystal
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I’m just a hobbyist

manic pond
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but if i had to use it itd be like that

umbral crystal
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Speaking of adding the Talontusk core one of the ttar teams does have that

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Might be worth to look at combining them?

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Oh the endeavor Lycan was changed to a more supportive role with Psychic Fangs? Are screens making a comeback?

umbral crystal
# winter gulch ?

Would you recommend I split Trock and Salazzle Hydreigon cores into 2 separate teams?

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If I move Salazzle and Hydreigon out I’ll have more room for talontusk

winter gulch
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Yeah I would recommend not trying to squeeze everything onto the same team since it greatly sacrifices viability

umbral crystal
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Gotcha

winter gulch
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honestly speaking Salazzle isn't great, but it seems like you want to build around it so we can run with it

manic pond
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i remember salazzle winning a tournament

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with eject pack overheat

umbral crystal
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Maybe I’ll slip in Chein po now 🥴

manic pond
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but it was a very niche pick which only specifically benfited the team it was on

umbral crystal
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Yeah the only team I see (on falinks) with it the only sp attacker is flutter but I know for a fact it was used with Hydreigon before

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Alright now we are going to do fire lash Salazzle to support physical attackers 👀

valid mesa
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If you're doing Salazzle, you have to keep it fairly simple and be consistent with everything else to justify the pick

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Fake Out, Encore, Overheat, is actually pretty alright for the current meta in all honestly, it's just how much it lacks with its defenses in a very offensively minded meta

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And while in S1 it was considered fast

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Now with Bundle, Flutter and co, its actually not really that fast

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If I'm doing it, I'd probably try and do Sash fast Wisp stuff (basically a Talonflame-adjacent, without Tailwind but Fake Out and Encore access)

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Fast support with Booster Bundle, Flutter, maybe something like a Baxcalibur

manic pond
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https://pokepast.es/770b1361de5c79c7 ive been trying to find a new compoisiton that fits my play style and I found out that when well positioned gholdengo behind screens just cant be touched

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Naturally I want another set up mon to take advatage of screens so bulky iron hands swords defnse felt like a natural pick

umbral crystal
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I fear the tank dengo

manic pond
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im not sold on the fluttermane but those three pokemon feel very consitent togther

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especially with tera flying and lum bery on hands

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to counter the great tusk talong flame match up

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can I get some help finding some other pokemon that fit my composition?

umbral crystal
manic pond
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damn I got no help

shy flare
umbral crystal
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Why Liligant?

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The only time I’ve seen Liligant is after you with Torkoal

shy flare
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Because I like Lilligant

umbral crystal
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Then definitely try it out with Torkoal

valid mesa
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Just looks like a lot of random choices of Pokemon

umbral crystal
#

Sun teams also got Wake

valid mesa
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Triple choice, Murkrow not really doing the job it would normally be associated with, Lilligant is super out of place, 4 attacks Booster Flutter

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Wake isn't legal right now, doesn't have a Dex number iirc

manic pond
#

assist me yuki 😦

valid mesa
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Your team isn't finished

umbral crystal
manic pond
umbral crystal
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Will it be in rotation C or naw?

manic pond
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I was asking what else would fit into the composition

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i thought palfin amoongus fit but idk

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thats what im asking

valid mesa
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Teams have to be completed in RMT.

manic pond
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bruh

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this then

umbral crystal
winter gulch
manic pond
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it has been completed

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i must recieve a review porfavor

valid mesa
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You'll get one in a bit, I'm just gonna eat

manic pond
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bet

winter gulch
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I literally cannot open pokepastes at school

shy flare
winter gulch
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omw home rn LOL

manic pond
# winter gulch I literally cannot open pokepastes at school

Tinker Bell (Grimmsnarl) @ Babiri Berry
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 HP / 134 Atk / 36 Def / 74 SpD / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Reflect
  • Light Screen
  • Thunder Wave
  • Spirit Break

Cheddar (Gholdengo) @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 236 HP / 52 Def / 116 SpA / 100 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Nasty Plot
  • Make It Rain
  • Shadow Ball
  • Protect

Gertrude (Flutter Mane) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 28 HP / 220 Def / 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Moonblast
  • Shadow Ball
  • Thunderbolt

Mr. Slap (Iron Hands) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 4 HP / 204 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpD / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Drain Punch
  • Wild Charge
  • Detect

Amoonguss @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 196 Def / 60 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Spore
  • Rage Powder
  • Pollen Puff
  • Protect

Palafin-Hero @ Mystic Water
Ability: Zero to Hero
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 60 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Jet Punch
  • Wave Crash
  • Haze
  • Protect
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dont even fret eevee

umbral crystal
# shy flare Ok

I haven’t personally done a sun team yet but Liligant with after you, helping hands, and leaf storm is a staple that enables Tera fire Torkoal eruption to do insane damage while not needing trick room. It’s instant and very terrifying

winter gulch
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no need to flood the chat

manic pond
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It was a joke

umbral crystal
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Did laugh, mildly musing

bold creek
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I hate ruin pokemon

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they just sit there and be annoying lol

manic pond
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Ting-lu is 100% the most consistent out of all of them

north crown
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this team is so fun

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i made this

drifting onyxBOT
#

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

north crown
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basically it's just iron valiant being set up by electric terrain and do big damagae

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any opinions?

winter gulch
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If I were to change your team, what Pokemon would you want to keep

north crown
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iron valiant

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i like volcarona too

winter gulch
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I think some of the sets you use are really suboptimal, I'll be fixing those first (before touching the team concept)

north crown
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i see i see

winter gulch
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Honestly speaking I would not recommend manual Electric Terrain, especially since Bundle could use that 4th move slot in a bunch of other ways

north crown
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what's a good electric surge mon

winter gulch
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none

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LOL

north crown
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ah

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what do you suppose i should do then

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what else should i change

winter gulch
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If I had to keep the Electric Terrain mode and mons, it would like something like this: https://pokepast.es/9a928aa2ec3d57a3
Aside from the E-Terrain gimmick, I'm quite confused as to why Pawmot and Volcarona are here (team doesn't have much synergy)

north crown
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they cool

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and i like them

winter gulch
#

Just looking at your team weaknesses, you have no fire or ground resistances, which isn't great in a format with Tusk, Arcanine, and other fire types. I would suggest replacing Pawmot and probably Volc for mons that can better cover your weaknesses

north crown
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i did notice that when playing

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what do you think would be cool

winter gulch
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Arcanine is quite solid here

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Honestly I would probably just remove the ETerrain gimmick and add Hydro Pump on Bundle, makes your team a bit more solid

north crown
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what makes arcanine so good

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ill try your hydro pump suggestion

winter gulch
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Arcanine has a ton of support moves, is decently bulky, and has Intimidate

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Wisp/Protect/Flare Blitz/Snarl is solid

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Safety Goggles is solid on it

north crown
#

whoa sounds good

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what about volc

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volc's pretty bulky

winter gulch
#

Volc's role is a bit different

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but support Volc is quite solid as well, with Tailwind, Rage Powder

shy flare
manic pond
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I feel like scarf flutter mane is definitely going to pick up in usage

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Along side torkoal and chi yu

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And then something like amoongus or a flying type to eat up those ground hits

agile shell
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Anyone else getting ass kicked with the paldean prologue ladder lol

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I hate braindead dozo teams so I'm not using the easy way to get them on a team

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Dropping a buttload of OP legendaries all at once has me ripping up my old team sheets

pure crystal
cursive mason
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I think the Tera flying Tera blast dnite set would be better here, with Tera blast over eq on your current dnite set

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Also rn your palafin mu looks a bit iffy but you can probably handle it with dnite just something to keep in mind

topaz mountain
drifting onyxBOT
#

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

winter gulch
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What exactly is the idea behind this team?

topaz mountain
winter gulch
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is Gravity really necessary for just Hydro Pump?

cursive mason
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If you want to try a gravity strat sandy shocks espathra bundle is prob a better core

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Something like this

winter gulch
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^ agreed

topaz mountain
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Ight thx

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Just wanted to use Iron Bundle is all

winter gulch
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yeah the team you sent has a ton of sets that aren't really meta, and is really weak to rock and electric

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Bundle is very strong in VGC rn, that shouldn't be too much of an issue

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just check the website that's pinned and search for Bundle teams

topaz mountain
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👍

topaz mountain
cursive mason
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Freeze dry is probably better I just picked blizzard cuz it’s a gravity team

topaz mountain
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Fair fair

cursive mason
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I honestly don’t know the specifics of what gravity teams run tho

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So I have no idea if they actually run blizzard bundle

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Freeze dry sounds more consistent

topaz mountain
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Ight thx

winter gulch
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Freeze Dry is much better unless you have a specific purpose for another move since you gain the ability to hit water types that would otherwise resist your STAB types

cursive mason
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Encore is so good tho

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It’s just annoying to figure out what move to get rid of

winter gulch
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yeah its tough

cursive mason
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I usually end up dropping wind but it’s annoying to not have it sometimes

balmy valley
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Tailroom team go funny

eager crag
balmy valley
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new ruleset

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also just clicking fire moves with fish and tork is really funny

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unless they're immune, 4x resist or have like screens and AV they die

eager crag
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regulation C?

balmy valley
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yep

uncut harness
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Can someone rate this plz

winter gulch
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Your team has like no Protect (which is really important in VGC for positioning), your team is really weak to Flutter Mane, and a ton of the items are weird (such as Leftovers Great Tusk, which seems like an OU thing)
I think rather than fixing the team up, it might be easier to check out some sample teams (pinned above), all of those teams have been proven to be good to some degree of success

uncut harness
winter gulch
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haha I get that

uncut harness
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Not to be mean Im sure its good advice tho

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I just dont like using pre-made teams

winter gulch
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for sure, I'm one of those LOL

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even if you don't use the pre-made teams, you can use them to get a sense as to what's good, or what's the meta trending towards

uncut harness
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But yeah I try to make a simple team to start off like tailwind

winter gulch
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which is really helpful when trying to make new teams (I do this a lot lol)

uncut harness
winter gulch
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yeah I think that's true to an extent, you usually start with an idea you have and build off of that

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and then maybe take bits of inspiration from others

uncut harness
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Yeah true

uncut harness
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Heard he is good as a support (which sorta upsets me)

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But its fine if he is viable Ill take it

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I use haze on him for tusk and gholdengo (make it rain, and superpower)

winter gulch
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Gengar's problem is that Flutter Mane does its exact job but better

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since its stronger, its offensive typing is better, and its faster

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the only thing Gengar really gets is Haze, which 99.99% of the time isn't enough to justify it over Flutter

uncut harness
#

Ah ok ok

umbral crystal
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Just wanted to come back here to say thanks for helping me with rocktar team. The addition of Great Tusk and Talonflame feels really organic and pairs beautifully together

violet notch
#

gar needs levitate back

uncut harness
#

fr**

uncut harness
winter gulch
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Charizard is not legal

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(yet)

uncut harness
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Oh

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but if he was would he be viable or better?

winter gulch
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I think Charizard had its time in the spotlight last generation

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I don't think it would be very strong

uncut harness
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Hmm yeah

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Dang Idk what other mons I will like

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I guess gengar is fine

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Maybe Offensive gengar can be good

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@winter gulch ^^

winter gulch
static mountain
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what could be good partners for flutterfeesh

uncut harness
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So gengar not viable

lost phoenix
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not sure about the hands slot

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maybe ape is better there to punish arc

hushed prawn
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the rest is fine

lost phoenix
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What

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Thats not how you judge a team lol

umbral crystal
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https://pokepast.es/32c55c27c5b7f3c4

This is the (VGC) team I fixed up a few days ago here, does anyone have an alternative I can use over iron bundle since I don’t have one on cart?

Also should I drop Endeavor for Psychic Fangs?

drifting onyxBOT
#

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

umbral crystal
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I saw that the few teams that still want to run Lycanrock have dropped endeavor and started to use psychic fangs? Are screen teams making a come back? I haven’t seen screens in a while now

Also what nature do I run on this type of arcanine

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I recently (painfully) lost to a perish trap because I couldn’t pick up the KO on goth with my Tusk… would it be a good idea to swap to the Life Orb? Or should I just blame skill since I used EQ instead of Headlong Rush?

bold creek
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maybe just unlucky damage roll really

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Anyone give me advice to round this team out?

cursive mason
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Also just out of curiosity what does the flutter spread do

lost phoenix
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outspeeds specs chi yu

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and i updated it to always live 2 tera fire specs chi yu heat waves

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Flutter Mane @ Assault Vest
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 52 HP / 236 Def / 116 SpA / 4 SpD / 100 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Shadow Ball
  • Moonblast
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Psyshock
lost phoenix
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and i think the chi yu part is obvious chi yu is broken

bold creek
lost phoenix
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keep pollen puffing it

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also yea fissure ting lu has been very annoying

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if i had a cent for every time flutter 4-0d and ting lu hit fissure

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id have 3 cents

stuck sigil
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VGC series 2

fleet moss
bold creek
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@fleet moss Pelliper

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and

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hands

fleet moss
bold creek
#

ye

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and Weakes fire damage

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@fleet moss series 2 team or series 3 team?

fleet moss
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Doesn't both series follow the second regulation?

bold creek
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No

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regulation C

fleet moss
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What is series 3

bold creek
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is with ruin pokemon

fleet moss
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ooo they finally dropped

bold creek
#

series 2 is without

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Ye

fleet moss
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its for series 2

bold creek
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u tryna build series 2

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Ok then iron hands

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and pelipper

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r the best for team

fleet moss
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Yeah there is a VGC next week that is series 2

bold creek
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Vancouver

fleet moss
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But after that it will be series 3

bold creek
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Ngl I might not watch that and just watch highlights

fleet moss
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Should I use any ruins on the team?

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I think so

bold creek
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Wel its a series 2 team

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so no ruin

fleet moss
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Yeah I no

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But after the VGC I will need to change it up a bit for series 3

bold creek
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tru

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Ngl Lokix may be Op?

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Scarf U turn?

fleet moss
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I think Chi Yu could be good to have when its series 3

fleet moss
bold creek
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Really

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Wait

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imagine this

fleet moss
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But the fish would probably be able to handle it

bold creek
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Lokix

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Choice scarf

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Lokix

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U turn

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first imrpession

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Tera blast Water

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and dark stab

fleet moss
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not too worried about the snail, the snail has proven to be the worst of the bunch

bold creek
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U mean wo chien?

fleet moss
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its funnier to call him a snail but yeah

bold creek
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lol people think its the best

fleet moss
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What

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Dark grass is not a good typing

bold creek
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Ye

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but good recovery n stuff

fleet moss
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Chien Pao is way better

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So is the fish

bold creek
#

Tera water

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or

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Tauros

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aqua jet

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anyone

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wanna call and build a series 3 team

cursive mason
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The other three are just really good while wo is just good

shy flare
drifting onyxBOT
#

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

south fox
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for when ww is legal

balmy valley
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for rain I think it wants Chien-Pao for S3

manic pond
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can i get an opinon on this?

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i like assault vest on ttar but ting lu really wants it

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i dont know what item would be better on ting lu because aguav doesn't feel the strongest

bold creek
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Idk maybe life orb ttar

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anyone think sliver wing will rise

heady kiln
manic pond
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Supposed to be adamnet

heady kiln
#

max hp or hp +spdef will give you better bulk overall

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you basically never want to invest in def evs on arc before hp is maxed

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spdef can be argued for if you're trying to live something specific

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aren't dozo and pala really bad for you

small spade
#

Hey guys

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Can someone help me with my team?

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I'm attending to a regional soon and don't have a lot of experience

violet notch
#

hi again

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best of luck with the help

small spade
#

Thanks

winter gulch
small spade
#

You can go all out on the critiques

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I'm going to the Regional in Natal (Brazil)

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@winter gulch

manic pond
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Why tinkaton?

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It can def work on a team but why specifically that mon?

manic pond
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I have will I wisp

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Freeze dry

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And tera grass arcanine

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Also what should my ev spread on arcanine be

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Bc I like adamant 252

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The damage output is really good

small spade
#

And i'm playing it along side Grimmsnarl with swagger to boost her damage output

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without getting confusion due to own tempo

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tera water so i can counter fire and ground mons that give it a threat

manic pond
#

Imo tinkaton is not a the best Pokémon to be using for damage output

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It’s stats in that regard are awful

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I would personally use it as a support mom

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*mon

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Rather than an offensive one

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If you want to use tinkaton I would recommend using a different set

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Something like fake out taunt gigaton hammer and possibly thunder wave

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And I would run moldbreaker in order to hit gholdengo with status moves

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Which is the main reason why people use tinkaton in the first place

cursive mason
manic pond
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Ong me neither

cursive mason
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You already have rock coverage with ttar

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You don’t need rock slide

manic pond
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Yeah I already took it off lmao

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I realized

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I’m rocking stomping tantrum rn

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But I think earthquake may be possible

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Considering flying tera on t tar

small spade
manic pond
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I would run protect on arcanine

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Over extreme speed

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Sitrus berry amoongus

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The main taunt mon this format is talonflame

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And you can get around that with ironbundle

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Volt switch instead of stomping tantrum

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I love grim and I think the extra bulk really cements your team

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But the damage output seems fairly underwhelming

small spade
#

what do you think is good to replace to rise the damage?

manic pond
#

Personally I would replace tinkaton

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With gholdengo

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Gholdengo Sitrus berry behind screens tera water

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Is a monster

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And I would replace swagger with Thunder wave

small spade
#

dont you think its a good ideia to replace tinkaton with flutter mane?

manic pond
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Fluttermane works on every team so sure

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But with grim I personally like gholdengo

small spade
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i wasn't thinking about gholdengo, thats such a good idea too

manic pond
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I’ll show you the set I run

small spade
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in my testing games with this team I almost never used amoonguss

manic pond
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If you never used it you can consider removing it

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But amoongus is strong in general

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I would keep it

small spade
#

I would like to put clear smog on it

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to deal with dondozo teams

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but I dont know what to replace it with

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or even if i should do that

manic pond
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Just get rid of protect

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Since your behind screens

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Makes sense

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this is how i run grom gholdengo

cursive mason
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I think you could go swords dance iron hands on this team

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Helps with the mild passivity issue of the team

manic pond
#

TRUE

small spade
#

or just replace something with swords dance

manic pond
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this is how i run it

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this teams been alright so far

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i have covert cloak not just for fake out but because my teams is very garg weak

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i have tera flying to bypass talong tusk

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life orb because i can afford the health drop because of the bulk

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its a fun team

small spade
#

do you think iron moth could replace this palafin?

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or iron bundle

cursive mason
#

I stole the spread from a tour winning team

manic pond
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ive seen that before its a good set

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i just dont like tera fire so much because you double up on the ground wekness

small spade
manic pond
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and tusk is everywhere

manic pond
cursive mason
cursive mason
small spade
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if you tera after the burn does it still help?

manic pond
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ive run swords dance drain punch fire punch detect

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with shuca berry

cursive mason
manic pond
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I love shuca iron hands

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feels so strong infront of tusk

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you can just drain punch it and get all your health back

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and kill with your partner

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feels so strong

small spade
#

@manic pond why do you use sitrus berry

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on gholdengo

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instead of something to increase his damage

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and do you think its good to replace arcanine with iron moth?

manic pond
#

you can just nasty plot infront of things

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and thats enough damage output to take knockouts

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especially since you can portect switch grim out and go into amoongus to redirect attack into it

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in order to better conserve your gholdengo even more

manic pond
small spade
#

increase damage

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iron moth is a beast

small spade
manic pond
manic pond
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palainf grim

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hands grim

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i usually always open grim

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bring fluttermane in the back

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along with either hands or amoongus

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depsnds on the other team

small spade
#

do you think its ok to have iron bundle instead of palafin?

manic pond
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if i see tusk talon

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i alsywas open grim and hands

manic pond
small spade
manic pond
#

completely counteracts flame tusk

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because they cant wisp you

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you one shot with wild charge

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and after you tera flting

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both of tusk's stab moves cant touch you

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so its very easy to counteract

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thats what why i built my set the way i did

small spade
#

Do you think its better like this?

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I'm feeling there's maybe too much support mons

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idk

cursive mason
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You have assault vest still on hands

manic pond
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you cant run swords dance on assault vest sets

small spade
#

oh mb

#

booster energy?

manic pond
#

no

cursive mason
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Goggles

manic pond
#

goggles works

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i agree

cursive mason
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Or sitrus ig

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But tbh id rather have goggles hands and sitrus/Mago arc

manic pond
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i think the set chromate sent may be better on here

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because budle behind screens with sash is a good tusk flame counter in itself

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so no need for the set I made

manic pond
small spade
#

so what set is better to have in iron hands?

manic pond
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^^^^^

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also didnt you say you didnt see much value in amoongus?

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if you personally dont use it then you can possibly switch

#

but again amongus is very valuable on any team

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so if youre going to switch it out whatevr you put in needs to be very specific for what your team lacks

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and really needs to pull its weight

small spade
#

any recommendations?

manic pond
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i do not have any no

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you would have to test the team

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and establish what match ups you dont fair well into

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and the adjust from there

small spade
#

air balloon arcanine isnt good?

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updated

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clear amulet protects from burn?

manic pond
manic pond
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Only stat drops

small spade
#

if I use safety goggles on iron hands

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what would i use on arcanine

manic pond
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Sitrus berry

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Like what you have rn

small spade
#

gholdengo has sitrus berry

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already

manic pond
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Ooooooh you’re right

#

Hold up

#

Assault vest arcanine could potentially work on this team

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I don’t think you need will o wisp bc of screens

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Assault vest may be a cool idea

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If not

small spade
#

what would it use instead of will o wisp?

manic pond
#

Something like iapapa berry is fine

manic pond
small spade
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I think psychic fangs is good

manic pond
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It would be flare blitz snarl extreme speed and then a coverage move

manic pond
#

Only good against opposing screens

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It can work

small spade
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I dont have any psychic attacks either

manic pond
#

But something more consistent is preferred

manic pond
small spade
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on the team

manic pond
#

You have two

small spade
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there isn't any pokemon with a psychic move

manic pond
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Wtf are you talking about

#

You have arcanine and iron hands

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😭

small spade
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but they dont have any psychic moves

manic pond
#

Ooooooh

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Psychic

small spade
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thats why i was thinking about psychic fangs

manic pond
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I thought you meant physical

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So?

small spade
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lol

manic pond
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Why do you need a psychic move

small spade
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maybe to deal with the fighting pokemon

manic pond
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Like?

small spade
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iron hands, great tusk

manic pond
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Maybe

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Or you can just keep wisp and out iapapa berry on it

small spade
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do you think its better?

manic pond
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Yeah probably

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Maybe even wide lens for more consistent will o wisps

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Idk man

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It can be a lot of different things

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🤷‍♂️

small spade
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wide lens is good too

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I think I'll try that

winter gulch
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Okaime how much do you follow tournaments/the meta?

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I think looking at that might be helpful if you want to learn which sets are common/what to cover

manic pond
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🙏

winter gulch
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Also checking tour results and well performing teams help

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I think if we're using Screens, we can afford to run Lorb on Gholdengo

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gives it more immediate offensive pressure

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Also what is Tera Flying for?

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Goggles Arcanine is probably better here

manic pond
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Me and chromate both sent him I Ron hands sets

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And he kinda just

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Mashed them together

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😭

manic pond
worldly bane
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I'm horrible at teambuilding but I like focus energy hydreigon

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any tips?

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idk why I made orthworm spdef

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but I'm hoping it can just be an eternal wall with earth eater??

manic pond
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Hydreigon lowkey not viable anymore brody

fleet moss
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Is it because the Paradoxes introduced both a better ghost dark type

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and we have flutter mane and iron bundle

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yeah thats probably it isnt it

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and chien pao

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yeah it got new counters

bold creek
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just sucks

bold creek
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Anyone wanna cal and build a series 3 team?

static mountain
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

bold creek
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@static mountain Maybe pelliper or amoonguss

static mountain
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one idea that I had but it won't work since the sash slot is already taken was vivilion

static mountain
bold creek
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well it doesnt really synergise

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U pelliper is better

pure crystal
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Suggestions?

boreal elk
bold creek
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guys

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You know

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palifin learns encore

manic pond
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why would you ever want to use encore palafin

bold creek
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Surprisde factor

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Ngl I was running a Bulky leftovers palifin and encore is hilarious

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Since its decently fast encore can just lock pokemon in like protect or fake out

stuck sigil
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

stuck sigil
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series 2

manic pond
stuck sigil
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Is that good or bad?

stuck sigil
winter gulch
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There's a lot of stuff that isn't exactly meta, such as Mirror Herb Hands, Tinkaton, and the lack of protect on everything

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Also the team defies lots of typical TR conventions, such as having Redirection on the team somewhere

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I think if you look up Torkoal in Falink Teambuilder (pinned above) or some Indeedee Armarouge teams, you should be able to find some strong hard TR teams you can try/take inspiration from