VGC Rates

[eager crag]

ok at this point, I cant tell if people hate me or if my teams are so bad they aren't even worth rating

[balmy valley]

uuh

why Electro Ball Kilowattrel

use Protect

even if you have Cloak

https://pokepast.es/37e354b7e693237d
Also, this is a team I've been playing around with (rising thru 1300 rn)

priority spam essentially

[eager crag]

Im no expert but I feel like if Pelipper's only attack is hurricane then maybe running it to be a bulky support Pelipper would be better

[balmy valley]

it doesn't have the stats to do so in today's meta

might as well go minmax and blast things

[eager crag]

Well again Im no expert

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/64ea76a999287bf8

good?

@valid mesa

i removed gastro and put AV gholdengo

[fluid beacon]

This is my first VGC team https://pokepast.es/09a4d05f8bf71baa

[hidden path]

wouldnt safety googles be better for annihilape?

idk

spore's a powder move right?

also clear amulet on garchomp is REALLY good

in this meta

rocky helmet is normally reserved for amoongus

not an eexpert at vgc but just my opinion

[fluid beacon]

I rarely encounter any teams that drop my stats

[hidden path]

hmm

where are you on the ladder rn?

[fluid beacon]

Like 1030 or something?

I only won 1 game rn

[hidden path]

huh

aight

[fluid beacon]

This is my first time playing VGC

[hidden path]

but over 1150 you're gonna encounter a lot of intimidate users like arcanine and salamence

[fluid beacon]

I don't have Amoongus tho?

[hidden path]

yeah just saying

theres nopt really a point in using rocky helmet

cuz people are normally gonna bring flutter mane or something with energy ball

i like the AV azu

[fluid beacon]

Yeah I think my team is a little vulnerable to fire types so I brought him in

[hidden path]

some people run energy ball on arma

like me

[fluid beacon]

Would he be enough?

[hidden path]

its not bad

[fluid beacon]

Arma?

[hidden path]

yeah the garchomp isnt bad per se

[hidden path]

armarouge

also armarouge indeedee is VERY popular

[fluid beacon]

Yeah I can see that

[hidden path]

i dont mind gholdengo

[fluid beacon]

I guess I should do something else for them?

Oh right about fire types

[hidden path]

yea

[fluid beacon]

I encountered Volcarona Oricorio a few times in DOU and got destroyed

[hidden path]

oh yeah

[fluid beacon]

Is that duo common here too

[hidden path]

i actually tried that in vgc

its just a gimmick tbh

[fluid beacon]

You think this is enough for just Volcarona then?

[hidden path]

volcarona is a pretty big threat considering it has acess to giga drain

[fluid beacon]

Oh

[hidden path]

maybe a tanky rock type

[fluid beacon]

Should I even have Cyclizar on there

I just had him there to help my Annihilape set up

But I don't think it's worth a team slot

[hidden path]

imo no

its not very useful on VGC

maybe doubles OU

[fluid beacon]

Garg then?

[hidden path]

cuz VGC you bring 4 pokemon

so much more pressure

also a fairy counter

[fluid beacon]

Ghol can do that right

[hidden path]

i suggest replacing cyclizar

yeah true

but mystical fire also exists

so yeah

thats alr tho

just replace cyclizar

[fluid beacon]

What about Mystical Fire?

[hidden path]

most flutter manes run mystical fire

or some

[fluid beacon]

I go Garg?

[hidden path]

garg is great for support

so yeah

leftovers on garg is nice

but corviknight alr has that

salt cure is insane

idk but palafin would be great for your team

[fluid beacon]

I was thinking of getting rid of him now that I have Garg

[hidden path]

eliminates the fire weakness

[hidden path]

alright

im also pretty new to vgc (like a month)

any tips on my team?

oop

https://pokepast.es/d6194a7a1fa3bfd7

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

mid strat but population bomb on tera steel annihilape is NICE

with rage fist and tailwind up

im just gonna play a match rq

[agile shell]

Rage fist is the single most broken and infuriating thing to play against

Fucking stupid it persists to 250 power when switched out and knocked out

[hidden path]

350

[agile shell]

Stupid broken, been seeing a rise of screens teams with him

And my favorite revival blessing

[versed root]

encore disable scream tail 🙂

[stoic goblet]

https://pokepast.es/6be5c6235e49f413
I'm doing a trick room team for vgc,any advice will be appreciated

[woven rose]

https://pokepast.es/940d55ae81466d94
Looking for advice. Wondering if there is anything I should differently as this is very VERY similar to Moxie Boosted’s recent team an I need advice to uniqueness or to improve upon the team (Really like the palafin-peliper core)

[tiny urchin]

pretty new to vgc looking for advice for the team plz https://pokepast.es/43efd0225c8049f9

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/0321acf86e860c43

a glaring electric weakness, any tips?

[balmy valley]

Why Krook?

Krook is fine but not with that set

if you're going to run Krook it's better to run a Scarf set

[quick isle]

Krook is cool 😎

[balmy valley]

Krook too fast for TR

Choice Scarf

eh

how has it been doing?

what you do is replace Shuca with Life Orb

and HH Tera Psychic Expanding Force the Dondozo

and it dies

or just Iron Bundle

if you want to take EQ just use Wide Guard

ye

booster

speed

just go minmax

special attack

spspeed and special attack

252 speed, 252 special attack 4 special defense

[plucky cairn]

https://pokepast.es/dd173654ea28abb5 my first team im kinda satisfied with, planning to use it in the regionals

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[muted meadow]

is this team good? Amoonguss @ Mental Herb
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Pollen Puff
• Rage Powder
• Spore
• Toxic

Arcanine @ Choice Band
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dragon
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Flare Blitz
• Outrage
• Protect
• Close Combat

Iron Valiant @ Life Orb
Ability: Quark Drive
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

• Spirit Break
• Close Combat
• Protect
• Swords Dance

Slaking
Ability: Truant
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature

• Outrage
• Hammer Arm
• Slack Off
• Protect

Gengar @ Focus Sash
Ability: Cursed Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Skill Swap
• Shadow Ball
• Hypnosis
• Hex

[muted meadow]

You need more supporters, most of your team right now is offensive

I spent a long time on this team, and I'm hoping you could help me improve it.

[hidden path]

send a link via pokepaste

idk about slaking

[plucky cairn]

Protect on Choice Band Pokémon is Not that good

[hidden path]

also maybe snarl on arcanine

[hidden path]

rate 1-10 https://pokepast.es/a4f46a8f6e86b6e1

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Honestly I have no idea where this team is going, nothing to proc Coal, Altaria is actually just garbage, and Bellibolt doesn't synergize with what I assume is a ffast team? Also you are horrendously weak to Ice, lots of type resistances aren't really covered.
(tbh I would say "back to the drawing board" or check one of the rental teams)

[winter gulch]

We're just busy, I have 3 essays + uni apps + an overnight trip this week LOL

• I have IB courses and school clubs to lead, so if we don't get to something its usually because we're living our life outside of online stuffs

Looks solid, you're really weak to Flutter Mane stuffs though, Iron Bundle also doesn't look too pleasant to deal with. I would consider trying Talonflame + Rotom Wash to help cover your types a bit + get "Prankster" TW onto your team to help with those MUs a bit more. Besides that it looks decent! Maybe change Discharge to Tbolt on the new Rotom-W (up to you) and maybe consider Sucker Punch instead of Play Rough. On Talonflame I would go with Blitz/Taunt/TW/Brave Bird but you can also run things like Protect instead of Blitz as well

Tatsu by itself is garbo, 100% would not use. Its just a worse Bundle at that point. Tusk > Treads any day, just use the Standard Hydreigon set for this. (Focus Energy Scope Lens + Protect + 2 attacking moves)

[winter gulch]

Looks solid, I would probably use a different mon besides Lokix to be your Psyspam counter but besides that looks solid, not much bad about it.

[winter gulch]

Your team has no speed control which is really really really important in VGC for 90% of teams. Honestly I can't see much synergy between much of your mons and kinda seems like ea bunch of mons thrown together. I think you are a singles player based on the sets so I would perosnally go check out some samples teams (pinned above) and take a look at those!
General advice: Hazards are bad, you want more protect, a bit more type variety, and you want offensive pressure

[winter gulch]

Lorb Annihilape is bad since you want to live longer to rack up power on Rage Fist, go with Leftovers. Bulk Up instead of Final Gambti since you aren't running Scarf Also you want Beat Up on Maushold so you can self powerup your own Rage Fist, I would replace Tidy Up with that. I would go Specs Gholdengo and replace Psychic with Power Gem.
Armarouge wants Flash Fire with Tera Grass, Indeedee wants Helping Hand or Protect > Metronome, Murkrow wants Foul Play/Brave Bird instead of Thief. Also you want Eviolite with max bulk on that.

[winter gulch]

Solid TR team, the sets REALLY need work though. Here's what I would change, that way you have more offensive pressure and more optimized sets for your mons. https://pokepast.es/d4f2e41777ccc30f

[austere heron]

Tried something new, still needs some adjustments for sure. So tell me what you like and dont like. Fanks https://pokepast.es/f51deceefd6b4554

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Mystic Water on Palafin to nuke more stuff, everything else looks decent! tbh I don't think you have enough support for Garganacl especially given with the type of team you're going for. I would maybe try Gholdengo?

[winter gulch]

Muddy Wtaer > Surf on Tatsu, hitting yourself is never great. I would consider Trick Room on Indeedee instead of Protect, I think you meant Choice Band on Meowscarada? Either way its not great this series with Bundle and Flutter around, I would try Sash Dual STAB Protect + Sucker/PlayRough. Iron Hands looks ok, I would personally go SD > Belly Drum or even just AV. Also Protect + Order Up on Dondozo is better than Body press + Tera Grass. I think its an ok team overall, test it out and let me know! Also Kortex used a similar team from Orlando, I would check that out too: https://pokepast.es/426d36bd5ef5e03d

[static mountain]

eeveon do you think tera blast ground fluttermane is viable?

and if so what partners would you suggest with it

[winter gulch]

ummm I feel like its not the best option?

What exactly does Ground cover that an extra STAB Boost on its moves doesn't cover?

[winter gulch]

Honstly the weakness isn't that bad, I would just KO the electrics with Dragonite since the only big one is Iron Hands which you have a decent amount of counter play to. I would suggest Arcanine > Meowscarada since you don't have Sash + Intimidate Support is very nice. I think the team is ok, although with the Rain Core you could get away without using Bundle and maybe consider something else such as Gholdengo or Flutter Mane

[stoic goblet]

I can't open the link

[static mountain]

it is mainly for arcanine, tera steel gholdengo and gargnacl

basically it is the faster version of tera blast ground sylveon

but frailer on the physical side

[winter gulch]

I think its a solid sun room team, maybe would consider TR on Indeedee but besides that I like the team, good synergy!

[winter gulch]

Copy paste the link

[winter gulch]

Running the calc in my head, a Tera Ghost Shadow Ball does the same amount of damage while giving it many more applications eslsewhere

you also aren't wasting a moveslot on Tera Blast (unlike Sylveon, who still gets an 80BP Pixalate boosted single target Fairy mvoe)

[static mountain]

I saw one team with tera blast ground flutter mane in the pinned teams thing but I just don't like the team itself

I just can't get a hang of +attack booster energy roaring moon and that wierd chilling water, encore sitrus berry iron bundle

[stoic goblet]

Thanks,I will change the move set plus changing few stats

[winter gulch]

Honestly I'm recommending you to check out some sample teams that are pinned since there are couple too many glaring issues for me to fix in a single sitting:
Speed control: you have none on a team with many slow mons
Pokemon choice: you're using a ton of subpar mons which doesn't do you any favors, sample teams will help you know what's viable + also help you understand the roles each Pokemon plays
Set choice: Again, using suboptimal moves

Also just testing your team out on ladder and fixign issues you see come up before coming to us makes our life easier and helps you get betterr at the game

[dense wing]

it's just set to counter a mono water team but i'm remembering that the fight is in doubles and not vgc so i'll still take some of it into consideration
altaria's only purpose is cloud nine nulling rain
i didn't see anything that could proc coal so yeah atp i've replaced it with meow
belli is mainly there as the lead with wattrel

[winter gulch]

If your goal is to counter specifically a mono-water team I would just look at the team you are countering and choose good meta mons taht have a good MU into those

[austere heron]

makes sense, thank you for the general feedback. I will definitely do that. I also have this rain team i would like some tips for if you want of course. this one is more ''worked'' but still needs some final sculpting i think https://pokepast.es/f350b5349d3e9206

[winter gulch]

I think you're too reliant on Rain for this team lol, I would still recommend Palafin > Floatzel, but tbh Beartic, Goodra, Raichu, and Gastrodon aren't exactly needed on this team lol

https://pokepast.es/a114af96b756ed2a This is a solid rain team I think you can look yes

[eager crag]

Thanks for the tips I already made quite a few of the changes but there are some things I should explai

I usually like running Protean on Meowscarada more than Overgrow so thats why it has play rough instead of Sucker Punch.

[eager crag]

I wanted to find a way to use Tatsugiri since I like it a lot but don't want to use the classic Dondozo strat, so I wanted to do something that will make use of storm drain. Which is why I have Hydreigon with surf. Although I guess Dragapult might be better in that case.

Also I chose Iron Treads instead of Great Tusk mostly because I don't want to be weaker to Fairy than I already am.

[winter gulch]

Yeah its just that Protean isn't as good for Sash sets since you can get the Overgrow boost on Flower Trick when you get down to 1HP, and non-sash Cat is pretty bad rn since Flutter and Bundle eat it for breakfast

[winter gulch]

ah ok I see, that's kinda the gimmick of the team (won't change that then) Yeah Pult might be better then since it also has the cool niche of outspeeding non Speed-booster Bundle/Flutter so I think you could look into that

Maybe TWave + Surf + 2

[eager crag]

Ok thank you

[eager crag]

Wait what ability should dragapult have since all of them are pretty good

[winter gulch]

Clear Body is by far the best

[eager crag]

Ok thanks again

[austere heron]

alright thanks a lot

[agile shell]

I hate that everyone found out the brute bonnet is amoongus with huge offensive potential too

Can't hit the fucker without getting priority punched and can't try to go after the partner or you're asleep

Wish there was other pokes that knew terrain ability besides just indeedee and a little lego

[dense wing]

it's in s/v itself but yeah i'm gonna do that

or at least try

[agile shell]

Unless you're playing the sit on my hands team* thankfully haven't seen that shit on cart return but starting to see Garg/toxipex toxic and protect teams coming back

[acoustic notch]

https://pokepast.es/7a957f15df3ffa3b suggestions?

i think im going to change fire punch on hands to stomping tantrum or ice punch bc i have no ground or electric coverage

[worldly bane]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1797982227

https://pokepast.es/bbacbac7dbf121d3

Very fun team

Probably not very good but I got this replay first try

[winter gulch]

You have a lot of slow mons but not enough speed support for them. Also Perish Trap without many protect mons doesn't really work, you want to live enough hits so you force them to die, which is much harder to do when you don't have protects.
Honestly not quite sure what exactly is the goal/direction of the team

[worldly bane]

Do you like my team :)))

[winter gulch]

This screams low ladder lol

[worldly bane]

It kinda loses to flower trick

But it’s fun

[worldly bane]

It’s just a gimmick team to make ppl rage

[winter gulch]

It loses to a ton of things but for what its meant to be I guess it works? Not really going to try to fix it

[woven rose]

Playing with the team I noticed I was using Garg-hands-amoon-arcan so much more often than palafin-pelipper so I'm experimenting with a similar set but using dozo-giri

[worldly bane]

Lmao how did you know 😂

[winter gulch]

Its quite easy to tell

[fluid beacon]

I actually mainly play DOU

I'm just bad 😔

Idk what speed control even means

I just slapped together this team so I can cover my guys weaknesses

Not sure what would really synergize well with them

[agile shell]

https://pokepast.es/43114165ab265ac0

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile shell]

@winter gulch been doing well with this team, just tweaaked backwards girafirg for indeedee to give a little more offensive presence vs TR with priority control and another protect mon, with gleam on that I'm wondering if I should put a different coverage on flutter mane

Especially since Arcanine is the only fire coverage and has recoil

[winter gulch]

No Protect on Flutter and Roaring Moon feels very weird since you need Protect to position them better and not due instantly, not sure what Farigiraf does since you don't even have TR on it to reverse.

[agile shell]

For ladder, everyone sees Grimm and indeedee/farig and never pops it

More of a bluff bc the last 10-15 TR teams I faced didn't even try using it or skipped bringing indeedee/armor

Flutter has sash so he doesn't need it

Would love to run protect on Grimm but afraid of a taunt leading to being stuck in struggle and parting shot as a pivot into backwards girafirg blocking priority or Arcanine double dropping attack is too good

[muted meadow]

https://pokepast.es/56871b391a34abaa

i need help.

Also, should i replace amoongus with brute bonnet

i feel it's more bulky and still works as a good supporter, also with attack potential. Only problem is its weaknesses

Do i need more coverage?

[muted meadow]

I updated it https://pokepast.es/c777512587533617

[agile shell]

Skill swap is fun but risky especially with how fast and lethal the meta got with the new mons

[worldly bane]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1798890979

https://pokepast.es/331f28e1f7f97721

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[worldly bane]

fun team with contrary

you can run bulldoze or eerie impulse on sandy shocks for extra attack or speed I was only using gravity and zap cannon because I was using an espthra hypnosis team

[worldly bane]

https://pokepast.es/71e6ddc0321e1b3b

alternate version of the team

with less reliance on lurantis

[worldly bane]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1798928016-t12hwouaqxgnl4xkeunnpst7w8ix9nqpw

very toxic player

Is this a bannable offense or is it just being toxic

[tropic tinsel]

https://pokepast.es/cf413d7dd96e26ab

[fluid beacon]

https://pokepast.es/75a165c47aed9574 Is this team good?

I wanna know if I've got the right idea before I try filling the last slot

[lone cedar]

https://pokepast.es/4e79827ca2151b03

been trying for so long ping to answer

[worldly bane]

Looks good to me but I make gimmick teams and don’t know anything abt the meta lmao

@valid mesa

Lots of teams here

[normal stream]

ill be honest the lack of rates recently is a sign of a bigger problem regarding the teams posted here

to be blunt a large chunk of the teams posted here are incoherent and borderlines on typing !pick 4 random mons +2 others

and its also blatantly obvious that a lot of these teams have not been thoroughly tested

and a huge part of that is is honestly due to user inexperience

its hard for us raters to rate something w users coming back the next week w some other salad team with the same lack in fundamentals, take advice, and then rinse repeat

without gaining much in terms of playing experience itself

it helps neither the user nor the rater rating the team and just becomes a vicious cycle of bad teams not getting rated and no one getting help bc theres just no point in trying to make changes on maybe like half the team in order to make it coherent

rater burnout is a very real thing and itll really help raters if users test their teams and come back with questions regardering specific matchups or slots on their teams with regards to rates

for those that are less experienced its also not a bad idea to use some of the more successful teams first in order to up your play before diving into teambuilding

a players exposure to the format that theyre playing is imo directly correlated to the teams that they churn out

and no we will not rate "for fun' teams with 0 semblance of viability bc honestly its tiring and a waste of time (as much as i hate to say it its the truth)

[plucky cairn]

True tbh

[normal stream]

tldr please play with some actual teams and get some knowledge on the format before building your own, u dont need to get to like what 1.8k on ladder kinda thing, just maybe 1.4k should be pretty easy with a good team and maybe 50ish games should suffice to give you some foundation on the metagame

[versed root]

yea that makes sense

[agile shell]

I'd refer them to pikalytics team rater as a start tbh

If there's a million glaring holes the ai picks up fix those first

[bold creek]

Wanna get some feedback on my team

https://pokepast.es/d58bdaedf2ea5fa8

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/d58bdaedf2ea5fa8

Hit 3k ladder with it (I am 13 Years old) hoping to get some feedback to improve

[versed root]

how is you being 13 years old relevant whatsoever

[bold creek]

idk

Nevermind that I just asking how I can improve my team

[agile shell]

Lmao

[bold creek]

:((

[agile shell]

Also don't get guys who copy paste same dozo/indeedee armorouge rental teams from YouTubers then ask for rates😂

[balmy valley]

honestly those players can go dump themselves

that core is so easy to beat (Tera Dark Amoonguss behind screens)

it is annoying, however

[bold creek]

lol terra psycic

[balmy valley]

Whut?

https://pokepast.es/4b69ba1e403f7554
Anyways, this team has been doing fairly well, but I have problems against bulky Dnite and Screens stuff. suggestions?

[bold creek]

Brick Break maybe?

Or taunt

lol I hate rain palifin feels too inconsistent for me

Although I am having success with tatdondozo

Maybe this garchomp set covers flutter mane and iron bundle?

[balmy valley]

sure, if you don't mind losing to Iron Hands in the process

or Arcanine

[bold creek]

Oh ye tru

But maybe tyraniter clear amulet?

[balmy valley]

Tyranitar run AV

and Tera Fairy

[bold creek]

Innovation

Dont have to always run the most obv ser

set

I was thinkung AV dondozo

[hearty depot]

https://pokepast.es/aab0bdb671192bc1

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hearty depot]

been playing with this team but im honestly not a huge fan or arcanine. I was wondering what other pokemon i could swap it for

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/a7e8c74d5b54fbca

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hidden path]

yo can someone pls rate this team? sorta in a hurry

@valid mesa ?

[valid mesa]

Doesn't look so bad. Not a fan of Palafin at all, it's just not doing anything that you wouldn't be able to achieve with Dondozo. Dozo should be Sub Leftovers imo, but AV can work fine. Never a fan of Protect on Scarf Tatsu, think I'd rather see Hydro Pump or sometimes Helping Hand. Bonnet EVs are incomplete, so I'll let you figure that bit out. Probably want to go Iron Hands > Palafin. Make sure the Iron Moth can outspeed your Flutter for Acid Spray stuff.

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/eb4c28255038dfad @valid mesa could u look at this too

im not sure why the paste doesnt have tera types but its bug, fire, steel, ghost, fairy, water in order

[hidden path]

thanks

FINALLY A DECENT TEAM

[valid mesa]

have you run into any problems with it

other than Slither Wing being repeatedly underwhelming

cause I assume you want to keep it

though I do think this team struggles with actually going into TR more than expected just on first glance

[lost phoenix]

Cant click tr much, getting in scream tail is a pain

[valid mesa]

yeah that's what I figured

my gut feeling is that you don't really need TR per se

I'd probably do something like a supportive Roaring Moon in the last slot

[lost phoenix]

I was mainly thinking about getting rid of scream tail for like

Farigiraf

And then make gastro clear smog

Wanted to hear ur thoughts tho

[valid mesa]

that's a fine way to do things

Farigiraf will be easier to get in

Feels like you desperately want a Hands doing that, but ig that kinda defeats the point

my thoughts were that Gastrodon is likely going to be fine even without TR

so I would have gone with Torkoal with HH > Earth Power, and played with Sitrus Roaring Moon with TW Snarl Breaking Swipe stuff (maybe)

[lost phoenix]

Sure ill try both

[valid mesa]

means likely cutting Kingambit without a TR mode to rely on

[lost phoenix]

No gambit would mean i need another thing helping to get rid of flutter

some sorta amoon or salazz?

or even sciz

[agile shell]

I love indeedee armor bc it's an easy dub if you have anything that resists them or a dark type that they can't even tickle (ttar is a 10 shot kill)

[agile shell]

Use defog then if it's consistently an issue

Vgc on showdown vs cart are two completely diff metas tho for me at least

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/d7456b4501008d9f ik slaking is out of place here, i just felt like i needed an insanely heavy attacker

made tera type fairy on slaking and replaced eq with tera blast

@valid mesa ?

[valid mesa]

don't use a Slaking

Slaking is genuinely pointless

and like your Bonnet was completely fine

[agile shell]

Not trying to hijack but have a moment to post at work lol

https://pokepast.es/7c82cdfe219c4238

Team works well but feel like I don't ever have a need to bring moon unless I'm throat chopping those perish song fuckers to shut them down, is there a back end speed controller that fits better for me? The priority pivots and espeed seem to work well with the bulky mons behind screens

@valid mesa

[valid mesa]

Palafin was the problem in the first place

[agile shell]

Been top 5k on cart so it's a solid core but feel like the moon slot isn't used enough

[valid mesa]

so remove Palafin for Iron Hands, and just make your Dozo fast enough to outspeed like Gholdengo (you need 75 Spe stat) and invest a bunch in bulk and attack at your discretion

kinda don't see the point of the Farigiraf on your team. It's like it's pretending to be offensive for no reason and I can't really see it working

[agile shell]

Strictly to block priority spam teams that are all over cart and to offer terra ground coverage

[valid mesa]

I just don't see the point

[agile shell]

Ohko the glimmora toxic teams all over showdown

I did have indeedee for redirection but it seemed too passive and blocked my own parting shots

[valid mesa]

I would do something like Booster Calm Mind Flutter, Gastrodon, Amoonguss/Dice Bonnet, Grimm, Annihilape, Arcanine

which I think featured at the VR tour

[agile shell]

To me or the other guy?

[valid mesa]

you

I think Farigiraf here just doesn't make any real sense cause it's pretending like it can be offensive and defensive at the same time (it can't)

I think you'd just appreciate Clear Smog Gastro a bunch more

fixes Dozo a bunch too

[agile shell]

Dozo actually has been fairly easy to cleave thru lately but haven't faced the annoying yawn one

[valid mesa]

think with Flutter Bonnet Ape, your offensive side is generally fine cause your team just wants to do Annihilape stuff anyway

[agile shell]

Gastro is a good idea bc I don't have water moves

[valid mesa]

and between double ghost, Arcanine and Storm Drain, a lot of priority stuff falls flat against

you won't run a water move

it'll be EP, Clear Smog, Recover, Protect

because you're on Grimmsnarl, you can actually use Calm Mind Flutter here

Screens + Intimidate is gonna be enough to help it out

[agile shell]

Yea I have noticed that they don't always break it down to sash when I switch in

[valid mesa]

Sash is really like when you're just doing fast speed control stuff

I think you don't need that here ever because you have the tools to help it have survivability

[agile shell]

I had it on there mainly to survive a switch in case annihilape gets surprise kod or to lead it vs palafin etc to hammer them with energy balls before it goes down

Before he can even change forms

[valid mesa]

I mean they don't leave it in front like that

but also Palafin can't beat Gastro

so that matchup turns into a non-issue for the most part

as long as you can plow through the rest

[agile shell]

I've had a lot of ppl still use flip turn palafin

[valid mesa]

Yeah it's still a thing, it's just like idk why they'd allow it

[agile shell]

But regardless would u booster speed or attack on flutter

[valid mesa]

Speed

[agile shell]

I don't have much speed control@sp assume

Yea

[valid mesa]

just be like a point faster than max spe roaring moon

[agile shell]

Gotcha

[valid mesa]

and you can invest fairly physically bulky

I'd run a few calcs

vs things you face commonly

[agile shell]

Yea I needed to for backwards girafirg and Arcanine still when I got to my pc

But I'll do them for gastro and calm mind instead

What would be brutes set? Spore, sucker, seed, protect?

And extra bulk

[agile shell]

And what item usually on gastrodon? Haven't played with him at all this year

[valid mesa]

Cloak

you're not like bad into Garganacl, but it's really helpful for a team with double ghost to just have a win button

(you will always outdamage it, so you need to recover less)

means you can force that specific endgame and win by force, usually

[agile shell]

Yea the only Garg team@that gave me issues was the one that also spammed toxic and glimmora stuff

Haven't seen it on cart only showdown

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/6d9e482114f16959 tested a bit @ yuki scizor seemed to be the best

[agile shell]

What's a good spread for gastro in general without running a bunch of calcs

Max HP/split defense?

Just ripped off one of the top gastro EVs from VR dw about gastro

What moves on bonnet tho for seed

Protect, seed, sucker punch, spore?

[valid mesa]

might want Rage Powder > Protect, and have it be fairly defensive with the option to go on the offensive

[balmy valley]

https://pokepast.es/874d219da75ce548
k

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[balmy valley]

so I have big problems with Dragonite

mainly AV variants

and if it's behind screens it's even worse

[normal stream]

is dnite really the biggest problem here

[balmy valley]

yes

honestly the team does well into pretty much everything else

(~1500 elo rn)

actually a bit lower because of dnite

[normal stream]

does a well positioned bundle not just 4-0 here

[balmy valley]

no, not really, if it's booster Jet Punch smacks it, if it's Sash Jugulis + Screens can handle it

[normal stream]

i dont think jet punch even 2hkos bundle unless u tera water

that thing has like 124 def

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/49b72a5b83456eea yuichi could you look at this afterwards

[normal stream]

ok

[lost phoenix]

(kingambit is kinda a pain for the team)

[normal stream]

jugulis on rain should almost always be running tailwind

imo

and grimm on rain feels kinda weird esp without parting shot

bc rain itself is an archetype that values a lot of momentum

[balmy valley]

hrm

[normal stream]

and grimm without parting shot is a huge momentum drain

[balmy valley]

well I have been seeing a lot of value in Sucker

but I could try Parting Shot

[normal stream]

the typical rain 6 is palafin/pelipper/jugulis/dengo(flutter)/hands/amoong

[balmy valley]

Ill try a more supporty Jugulis as well, but that doesn't stop the damned Dragon

[normal stream]

have you tried running ice punch on palafin

[balmy valley]

uuh

actually, no.

[normal stream]

dengo helps a lot against dnite as well

[balmy valley]

good idea tho

[normal stream]

surely not that many dnites are av

[balmy valley]

ya Dengo does until they have Flutter with it

[normal stream]

dengo into flutter is still a positive mu if u have trick room up

uh tailwind

[balmy valley]

kek

so Ice Punch on Palafin (over CC), Parting Shot (still not sure on this one, Sucker is big value at least in my experience), and TW over Earth Power on Jugulis?

[normal stream]

im not sold on grimm at all if im honest but on rain parting shot is probs

better

u can also just run like band palafin

pelipper prob also likes tera grass more

[balmy valley]

mm, no. Band palafin is just, no.

[normal stream]

band palafin has been the most popular set

[balmy valley]

yeah, with no Protect

[normal stream]

since rain was a thing

[balmy valley]

which is really bad in the current meta

[normal stream]

yes bc tera water wave crash in rain

ohkos amoonguss

why do u need protect

[balmy valley]

Fake Out, positioning, and more importantly

against Perish Trap

[normal stream]

if anything protect sucks into ptrap

bc u literally never protect into ptrap

[balmy valley]

well no usually it's when they have Gothitelle

and you can't get the baby form out

[lost phoenix]

why do u need protect into perishtrap when you can just

[balmy valley]

kill things?

[lost phoenix]

ohko the goth or setter next turn

[balmy valley]

because Palafin-Baby can't kill things

[normal stream]

u cant get the baby form out even with protect either wdym

bc youre not running flip turn

[balmy valley]

stall

for kills

¯_(ツ)_/¯

it's worked so far

[normal stream]

well its fine if you dont want to run band

but im just saying its popular for a reason

putting protect on palafin is like

only a very recent meta development

and its not even that good

bc palafin literally wants to be choiced 9/10 times

[balmy valley]

eh. I kind of like being able to switch moves

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[normal stream]

i honestly dk if slither wing is worth the effort

the team having only slither wing as a ground reesist is a p big issue

talon tusk 6-0s u currently

idk about scizors value run hoenstly and power gem flutter is kinda weird

gastro doesnt feel right here

team just seems very incoherent

idk whats going on

[lost phoenix]

power gem flutter is to help sciz

was to help kingambit in the tr version of this team

then yuki told me rmoon last and getting rid of kingambit was probably the play

[normal stream]

if slither wing is what you want i think id probs just run indeedee room

[lost phoenix]

https://pokepast.es/eafe14e2bcce932d

this was the prev version

[normal stream]

ngl at this point idk what farigirafs value is anymore

no one on high ladder is running ti at all

indeedee f is just too fucking broken to not use

[lost phoenix]

thats fair ig

i could just indeedee>fari

[normal stream]

something like

uh

indeedee/arma/slither/tork/

what else

flutter

maybe pop a roaring moon for the lols..?

or bundle i guess

sounds about right

yea slap a bundle on that

make it booster

run like tectless with flip turn into wp armarouge if youre into the spicy

[lost phoenix]

atp why not av

[normal stream]

u mean av bundle?

so u can always icy wind first

https://pokepast.es/6328adecdf2764f0

very rough skeleton

just correct the teras

probs works

(i hope)

funny leads include: indeedee + bundle/flutter

might want to run like

cc flare blitz sub slither wing idk

slither wing feels liek it migih want sub

[lost phoenix]

i tried sub but like

it just kills itselfg

[normal stream]

true

[lost phoenix]

u sub up against like oppo tusk then you need to flare blitz lets say

after sub, lo recoil, and a ko from flare blitz it sits at very low

[normal stream]

just cc the tusk tho

against tusk i think id want the funny indeedee bundle lead

[lost coral]

Can someone rate this VGC series 2 team?

I pasted it in the link https://pokepast.es/cf220b2e8b610bef

[bold creek]

Maybe switch dondozo setup abit

[woven rose]

if you're only running attacks why not AV dozo?

[agile shell]

@valid mesa gastrodon is really just for rain and dozo isn't he lol I've lost every game I tried to bring him to try him in other matchups

Still not great with bonnet but getting better at predicting

Still mainly bringing my core 4 Grimm, arc, 2 ghosts

[balmy valley]

https://www.reddit.com/r/VGC/comments/1134ytb/series2_indepth_metagame_analysis/
someone pin please? this is a pretty good write up on the meta (even if it's on reddit)

[hidden path]

why not AV?

on dondozo

also you really need clear smog on amoongus

[cursive mason]

AV isn’t really used on dozo, lefties is the most common item

[bold creek]

Ye

Anyone got a core I can build a team around

Just cause I am really bored?

[versed root]

um

flutter

tusk

idk

[acoustic notch]

https://pokepast.es/820e160ac2edd0b8 this team is doing well on ladder, originally had rotom wash as the 6th then iron bundle but 80% hydropump acc can really throw sometimes. any ideas for a 6th mon?

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Sometimes you just have to deal with the 80% Pumps, your team feels kinda passive with two similar support mons + your offensive mons having more defensive sets. Sableye's current set is quite similar to what Talonflame can do, also Disable without Encore is kinda weird. Not exactly sure what Scizor does, especially with AV. The mons don't really have synergy, honestly would just recommend a sample team

[polar rapids]

https://pokepast.es/e401ed684d58fda4

Armourage counters Iron Bundle and makes opponents think I'm using a trick room team

Indeedee tricks specs onto Hydreigon after he does Nasty Plot then supports with hh or fm, can become attacker if needed

Hydreigon mashes the strong move button

Murkrow counters dozo

Dondozo strong pivot to take a lot of dmg and deal it back

Tatsugiru scares opponents and occasionally does dozo strat

[winter gulch]

makes opponents think I'm using a trick room team
This tells me its a Closed Sheet gimmick, literally useless unless you're trying to ladder (and not play competitively)
Honestly speaking here, the mons seem ok for a Series 1 team (could be OK in series 2?) but literally non of the sets make any sort of sense whatsoever (Besides Murkrow) + Armarouge really isn't a Bundle Counter lol. Also your team doesn't really have anything to check Flutter Mane, especially since you have no physical attackers, which is really poor balance. Would check some sample teams to fix some sets (team synergy is ok though)
Let me know if you want some Tatsu/Dozo + Indeedee Armarouge team samples or anything else

[polar rapids]

Flutter mane when heavy slam dozo

[winter gulch]

that's a single move on a Pokemon people generally have checks to

[burnt surge]

@hollow glacier

in here

not in my dms pls

[hollow glacier]

Hello

[burnt surge]

@hollow glacier post your screenshot in here so that others will be able to helpyou

[hollow glacier]

Okay

How do I make this better

I'm on a road to Master ball rank

[burnt surge]

Imma ping @winter gulch and leave them up to it

[winter gulch]

hi

btw in the future, try to use https://pokepast.es

You can click the button at the bottom if you want to do that

[acoustic notch]

scizor is there to counter psyspam and flutter mane mainly. That’s true about sableye and talonflame i just really wanted to use some of my favourite mons which is why the team is kinda random

[lost coral]

Guys, I’ve been testing this team, and it seems like I’m having trouble against truck room teams. Do y’all recommend running protect on my dondozo and tatsugiri?

Alternatively, should I try running flutter mane instead of grimsnarl? I’d still have a fairy type, but I’d have a powerful special attacker. I know that my arcanine and amoongus are my support Pokemon. Why not add a powerful special attacker

Scizor is more of a tanky physical attacker with its priority bullet punch and regular pounce attacks that are boosted by technician

[hybrid hatch]

https://pokepast.es/b05fec2c69f6148a this is legit the best team

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[hybrid hatch]

That scared me ngl

Outside the talon flame set

I know I want it to lead lycanroc talon into murcrow but idk what to use other than tailwind

[winter gulch]

Seems ok, a lot of the set choices seem weird + Lycanroc is usually better with Sand for Sand Rush abuse. Here's how I would change the sets: https://pokepast.es/3a22cb7f7f9f4241
I don't quite see the synergy between the mons, kinda feels like they were just slapped on together.
I would consider adding mons like Iron Bundle or Tyranitar to give your team a bit more synergy + not lose to Flutter Mane/Bundle stuffs

[winter gulch]

I think the overall direciton is fine, just need a bit of tweaking with the sets and mons and you should be good
I would consider something like this: https://pokepast.es/3af530d1cc195389

[bold creek]

Ya I am waiting for series 3 honestly

Cba to climb ladder

[agile shell]

That's months away

If you're waiting for hisuians

I forget which is the new thing series or seasons tbh lmao

[bold creek]

is it?

Probably climb pokemon showdown ladder

And then actual ladder

[covert hill]

hi everyone

can someone give me an opinion on my team

https://pokepast.es/be0a951f086daec0

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[winter gulch]

Do we know what Series 3 is?

[bold creek]

lol dont think so

I am guessing ruins might be featured

I mean once you have gotten master rank not a lot you csn do

[winter gulch]

grind for more resources to make more teams

I wish it wasn't so hard to get the Tera Shards lol

[bold creek]

So true

Too hard making competitive teams

cause of how much terralizing mons are

Also playing the same Stuff

[agile shell]

Lol I've lost every single game I've brought gastrodon to besides one rain team since you told me to add it @valid mesa idk if I have it EV wrong or what but it dies in one hit to drain punch too

[agile shell]

It's ridiculous and encourgses everyone to just gen or copy paste rentals

[bold creek]

Gastradon valuable

emme see your team G

I play stupid stuff like azumarill perish trap

[agile shell]

https://pokepast.es/9515104d9231d94b

I can beat perish easy

[bold creek]

Cause why not playing the same s bored af

[agile shell]

Double ghost

But every time I try to bring gastro ov3r Arcanine in a bad arc matchup

He just dies

[bold creek]

maybe

[agile shell]

And too slow to get move off before he does

[bold creek]

Dont have tera normal arcanine

[winter gulch]

This team feels very much like an S1 team, this team gets hardcore farmed by Flutter and Bundle. I would suggest adding some speed control options on your team (such as Talonflame) to let your mons move first.
Some specially bulky mons like Iron Hands might be great too
Also your Garchomp and Gholdengo sets both seem like they come from Singles, I would add Protect > Recover, Clear Amulet on Garchomp, and Lorb on Gholdengo
Also Sash on Meowscarada, Protect > Uturn and maybe Sucker > Play Rough

[bold creek]

Tru

[winter gulch]

Queue up for a ladder game

[bold creek]

What he said

[winter gulch]

I'm down to watch a couple matches of yours rn

[bold creek]

Same

i am bored anyway

[agile shell]

I would but I'm literally about to leave gym and pick my dog up

It'd have to be in like an hour

[bold creek]

Eveon

Mind wathung me play?

[winter gulch]

ah understandable, its just that under no circumstance should Gastrodon be getting OHKO'd by a non-grass move

[winter gulch]

sure

[bold creek]

I am like 10k on ladder Cause I am bored n stuff

[winter gulch]

The OCIC stream is starting soon so if you want to see some meta teams + high level gameplay I would consider wathcing that

[agile shell]

Well bulked up annihilape did it at +2 to gastro behind a screen tbh

[bold creek]

so I played random stuff and lost

[winter gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecuCpa5C-LY

[bold creek]

Finally

I watched the entire thing

[agile shell]

But I feel like I'm horrible about switching him into a grass ball or something that chips him@to almost death

[winter gulch]

well yeah its at +2

Also that Gastro set

is uh

not good

[agile shell]

That's what yuki said to run I was trying it

Smog for dozo

Ground for ground coverage

Ep

[winter gulch]

Tera Fire should be the way 100% of the time

[agile shell]

The tera I just randomized tbh

[winter gulch]

unless I'm outdated on the meta

[bold creek]

actually

[agile shell]

Haven't terad him at all

[bold creek]

I have to play showdown

[agile shell]

I'm gastrotarded

[bold creek]

I cant get my switch its dowstairs

[agile shell]

I can figure out everyone but him

Is that a good spread even

Or should there be more spA

[bold creek]

anyone wanna spectate me play and do stupid stuff?

Also add Yawn on gas

[agile shell]

:Laugh emoji:

Also hate not having spirit break on Grimm but on showdown the sleep spam is real

On cart it's not nearly as bad

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/dbae111738001664

My bad

need to upload team on compuer

[agile shell]

Sleep spam^ see😂

[bold creek]

Sleep spam funni

[agile shell]

It's kinda cancer tbh

Only status move that's 100% ND cripples u the most

[bold creek]

my computer wont fucking load

[agile shell]

Unless forzen for infinity

[bold creek]

lol

[agile shell]

Played some asshole last night with gothitelle and baby goth

Saves baby goth for last bc it's slowest so "dies last u win"

[bold creek]

Suiu

[agile shell]

Even tho I was up 2v1 and he was at 1 hp

[bold creek]

that's nice

[agile shell]

Almost as gay as burn decks in Yu GI oh

[bold creek]

Sheesh

Imagine

[agile shell]

Play by not playing and sitting on hands lol

[bold creek]

heracross

loaded dice

Taiwind

murkrow

Garchomp

[agile shell]

Like guts hera

[bold creek]

ye

I trued frostmoth

Its kinda mid

[half phoenix]

can i get a second opinion on this vgc series 2 team i built

https://pokepast.es/b8971cc1c4aadc1c

i don’t really know what works and what doesn’t i or what i need

i really just wanna use farigiraf on a team ngl

[manic pond]

https://pokepast.es/c77106ecc257c238

someone please help me with this team

its been fairly consistent so far

i mostly bring moon amongus arcanine adn either flutter or palafin

but my match up into maushold + annhilape is terriable

and garganacl just walls me

[storm silo]

https://pokepast.es/c4293bce8e99cdc6 I call this one “frost fire”

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[storm silo]

Also here’s my most recent game with it https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2023series2-1802983204

It’s mostly just to show how I play it

[manic pond]

Brody get that frosslass tf out

[storm silo]

No

It’s good for this

It’s fast has thunder wave and hex

And a few other supporting moves

It works

[cursive mason]

Froslass speed tier isn’t like super fast atm

Also saying something works means nothing

[storm silo]

It outspeeds whet it needs to

And it’s sash so it lives a hit

What else can you name that has thunder wave chilling water and icy wind that has decent speed?

[cursive mason]

Is it really worth using froslass for that tho

[storm silo]

Yes

[cursive mason]

Bundle gets 3 out of those 4

And is a much better mon

[storm silo]

Yea but bundle is better at offense

It’s got good speed good sp attack defenses aren’t the best

[cursive mason]

Bundle can support if it wants

[winter gulch]

You sent this exact team to us 18 days ago, I rated it, and you sent it back again making a single change on Arcanine?

[cursive mason]

Also froslass has bad defenses

[winter gulch]

also that team doesn't hold up nearly as well under an S2 context

[agile shell]

If normal types like indeedee and maus give trouble then u can always put cc on arc

Make him more offensive

In general it's always good to have a fighting move somewhere for steel, ice etc

[hidden path]

my brother got into VGC (he's 8) so i made a team for him (he said he wanted a very tanky team)

https://pokepast.es/f4fe3ea12bd19aad

[rocky reef]

I’ve been learning team building since sv came out I’ve been trying to craft a heracross team since it’s the better slither wing https://pokepast.es/606685ca31cdf370

[bold creek]

lol teambuilding takes too much work ngl

I mean you get the satisfaction when its good

But a lot of trial and error

[agile shell]

How would you change the gastro set @winter gulch https://pokepast.es/e3b9521861b70e43

And how bulky should bonnet be? I just copied some VR tournament spreads for those two after I was told to try them over roaring moon

Moon was being brought to all perish traps to shut them tf up with throat chop but not much else

[manic pond]

the problem with this is that the main thing that is an issue isnt maushold itself

its the combination with annhilape thats an issue

and if i open with arcanine to one shot the maushold with close combat

[agile shell]

Ape can only boost his defense and offense

[manic pond]

then im activating the annhilapes defiant

[agile shell]

If you have a fast flutter mane he can't hit you

[manic pond]

theyre tera fire

thats the problem

fluttermane does no damage

bc its tera fire

and theyre running max special defense

[agile shell]

If they pop it that early then you still have your ground and water coverage

Palafin can take it out

[manic pond]

i would have to open palafin

[agile shell]

There's no easy one shot answer unless they get careless and let you priority brave bird it

[manic pond]

but then i wold just get swept with rage fist

[agile shell]

Just have to play around it which is why it's a strong strat

[manic pond]

I think i have to make a team adjustment

either take gholdengo or fluttermane off

and use something else

but idk

probably uron hands for the fake out

but idk whivh one to remove

[agile shell]

Idk I use ape and iron hands is usually and easy kill

He's ghost so you can't fake him out unless you come in late post terra

V sitiational

[manic pond]

i was thinking fake out maus

[agile shell]

The easier answer to that team is TR or eparathra sleep spam but you'd have to change ur whole team for one matchup

[manic pond]

and then chip it down with either moon or gholdengo

[manic pond]

wildin

[agile shell]

Bc torkoal forces the tera to fire to avoid burn but can also earth power

Or mirror ape is a pain bc it's a bulk up war

[manic pond]

i would prefer to work aorunf it with my team

[agile shell]

Perish has trouble trapping it until it teras and then rage fist can start taking all them out

[manic pond]

but if i have to make a change to one mon id be fine with that

https://pokepast.es/397468308c71082e

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[agile shell]

Surprised it's not used more often behind screens

[manic pond]

annhailpe is really

really good

especially with fire tera

[agile shell]

Palafin can take it out, unless it's screens ape

Then it's even tougher

Especially bc Grimm can parting shot palafin down and switch out to arc

To double up attack drops

This meta wild bc you'll think you have answers to everything then a new core crops up on ladder lol

[manic pond]

its still develeping

the mouse and monkey are a real issue for me

garganacl i can work arounf

but the monkey fucks me up

[agile shell]

Well if you can kill mouse before the beat up

They have to slow down

Idk if palafin dolphy form can ko maus with close combat

But getting his friend guard down and killing him before beat up severely hurts them

[hidden path]

https://pokepast.es/24b0adce32d46bc1

@winter gulch any tips?

idk about garch

[rocky reef]

https://pokepast.es/606685ca31cdf370 any move set tips or mon suggestions I’m trying not to use meta but still win lmao

[spiral shale]

great tusk

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/4b76ea76794b6eaa

[bold creek]

https://pokepast.es/8f522ae93a07b205

Very solid team However Any changes that Can Improve it?

[covert hill]

why do you use rest goodra with a lum berry?

nothing wrong with that

but

u could use rain + hydration

much better and paired with palafin

and also

why trick room on mimikyu

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/ae0440e14de1d94f
Hey all! How could I improve this team? I like zoro but I’m a noob and would like some suggestions haha

[drifting onyx]

New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[covert hill]

mimikyu isn't that slow for a trick room team

and why assault vest on kingambit

[covert hill]

why do you use zoroark with a focus sash?

i mean it's fine but zoroark isn't a strong lead

[golden patrol]

Idk I saw this team from cybretron

[covert hill]

and also

scizor is kinda meh

[golden patrol]

Yes I was feeling it

[covert hill]

not a bad mon but not strong enough for gen 9 meta

and third

why curse on mimikiy

SD is much better

[golden patrol]

I’m having big issues with fire moves, psychic terrain and obv the damn flutter and bundle

[covert hill]

yes don't get me wrong but your team isn't very good

and u have no flutter counters

[golden patrol]

Hahah I get you!

[covert hill]

apart from mimikyu

[golden patrol]

Scizor would be one

Counters bundle as well

[covert hill]

but scizor is kinda weak tbh

[winter gulch]

Seems fine, I think you want Speed control on Roaring Moon and Protect on Dozo to get free HP recovery

[golden patrol]

Maybe some rework ?

[covert hill]

yes

gholdengo in scizor's place

for example

gholdengo is a really solid steel type

[golden patrol]

Gotta mention the most important thing

I like to play with marked shinies haha

I might share another team that was suggested to me with mons I already have

[covert hill]

i don't think it's really worth it

[golden patrol]

Or if you mind we can go in DMs and I might share some pics of my shinies

[covert hill]

in competitive you are gonna be building many teams

[golden patrol]

Like.. I’d rather build one

[covert hill]

it's a waste of time to try get so many shinies

marked

i'm on my fourth team on this gen

[golden patrol]

As I said, im a noob and gotta understand properly how to play a team

[covert hill]

if you are a competitive player you are gonna be trying new teams

yes i understand that

[golden patrol]

And gotta understand the various synergies

[covert hill]

Yes i get that

[golden patrol]

Sure! I usually try them before on showdown tho!

[covert hill]

i reccomend that you keep playing games and watching VGC for example

i watch VGC when i have no ideas for teams

you need to understand what the meta is about

[golden patrol]

I get you

[covert hill]

and what's strong or what counters what

[golden patrol]

Still, it’s like every team I use it’s just destroyed by any team I face 🫠

[covert hill]

but if u want i can give you a few tips on mons that are good this gen

there a few who really make the difference

[golden patrol]

I know it’s about years of playing

[covert hill]

not years

[golden patrol]

But like, wanted to rely on smth good yk

[covert hill]

i've got into competitive pokemon last summer

[golden patrol]

And that I like playing with obv

[covert hill]

it's about the time you dedicate to it

[covert hill]

yes

I can give u some tips if u want

[golden patrol]

Sure, thank you!

[winter gulch]

Don't quite see the synergy between the mons, but I'll just fix the sets since I'd just recommend you meta lol
Honestly I don't think these mons will work since the damage output on all of these is too low for the amount of bulk they have, I think what would be easier is you just testing some mons out and seeing which ones work
Best I can do, can't really see this winning too much though: https://pokepast.es/308b69d72e63a71d

[golden patrol]

I’ll listen then share with you some ideas yk

[covert hill]

but do you want some tips on specific mons'

cuz it really depends on what u want

you have team building, specific mons, items

[golden patrol]

I’d maybe like some reliable teams to start understanding core mechanics of the game yk

Like last day discovered the after you thing with lilligant and Torkoal

To let you understand my level of knowledge 😅😂👉🏼

[covert hill]

i'm not gonna give u a reliable team cuz I'm still working on my own teams but i'll give you some tips to get you started

[winter gulch]

Some of the mons are ok, your lack of speed control and not really existent synergy is really weird though. Honestly would recommend some sample teams

[winter gulch]

We have rental teams pinned if you want reliable teams

[covert hill]

i wasn't aware about that

[sand echo]

gotcha alr

[winter gulch]

Just check the tabs that say Orlando

[golden patrol]

Like - I love Sandy shocks but can’t make it work it looks

[covert hill]

thats cuz sandyshock isn't rlly good in doubles

[winter gulch]

OCIC works too, but we're still working on that one

Sandy Shocks has a very small niche I think

[rocky reef]

Do u know any hera/ slither wing synergy’s they are the mon I wanna use the most 🧍🏻

[covert hill]

pokemons who work well in doubles are the one's that can synergize well with eachother

for example

[golden patrol]

I don’t like them hahah

[covert hill]

the armarouge + indeedee combo

[echo ginkgo]

Anyone wanna friend me on showdown and test run my team? It's gen 6 pure hackmons

[covert hill]

that's a good combo cuz indeededd sets the psychic terrain which boosts the armarouge damage and allows expanding force to hit both enemies

in doubles u are looking for teams like that

[golden patrol]

Sorry

[covert hill]

thats why amoongus for example is so good

[winter gulch]

their typing doesn't bring much to desire unfortunately

[golden patrol]

Amoonguss is one of my competitive favs

[winter gulch]

This is the VGC Rate My Team

[covert hill]

cuz he has really good support moves and can allow his teammates to sweep

you can rage powder for example to allow you team mate to sweep

you get what i mean?

[echo ginkgo]

Ah, my bad. Which room should i join?

[golden patrol]

Yes I played guss in SwSh as well 😄

[covert hill]

or grimmsnarl to set screens for your teammate

[golden patrol]

Same for snarl

[covert hill]

yes

[golden patrol]

And in facts I like snarl

[covert hill]

snarl is rlly good aswell

[golden patrol]

Feels safe haha

[covert hill]

yes it does

[rocky reef]

I love my bug children 😭

[covert hill]

i love screens

about sweepers

[golden patrol]

Would maybe snarl/volcarona/amoonguss be a good starting point?

[covert hill]

sylveon is an example of a good sweeper for doubles

[winter gulch]

Sylveon isn't a sweeper lol

[covert hill]

special tank

[winter gulch]

Special Tank that can do lots of damage

[covert hill]

yes

i would say a mixed

she's not a full tank

she's not an amonguus

[winter gulch]

sweeping isn't as much of a thing in VGC compared to singles

[covert hill]

but she's not a sweeper neither

[covert hill]

yes that's true

but it's always useful to have something that can come infield and do damage

[covert hill]

i think that's a good start

but you need more of course

[golden patrol]

Oh I thought about going with them only

😂👉🏼

[covert hill]

well you need 4 pokemon to play VGC

[winter gulch]

withergames do you play VGC?

[covert hill]

yes but i'm still learning the meta

my team isn't that good

but about the team, I would recommend to take a team of 6

[golden patrol]

I know hahaha I’m not THAT NOOB

[covert hill]

cuz just because a mon is good doesn't mean is gonna be useful in all matchups

u need to understand matchups as well

for example don't take a dragon type if the enemy team is full of fairy types

that's not a specific case (that would never happen) but u get the idea

[covert hill]

but what about ur other team?

[golden patrol]

I get you! And I still gotta get good at matchups

[covert hill]

yes

you need to have pokemon to cover several matchups

specially what's common in the meta

[golden patrol]

Sharing now! I was told the mons that would make a great team, but had no idea about all the moves and soreads

[covert hill]

flutter for example

[covert hill]

k

[golden patrol]

https://pokepast.es/73ce508588893780

I was enjoying this apart from palafin and the breloom maybe

[covert hill]

well the team isn't that bad but it has a few flaws

first i would recommend a pelipper to support palafin

[golden patrol]

It has many* flaws 😂😂👉🏼

[covert hill]

so he can cause a lot of damage

[golden patrol]

I’d like to switch palafin tbh

[covert hill]

palafin is good

[golden patrol]

I don’t like that mon very much haha

[covert hill]

he's a rlly solid mon

but he's a monster with rain support

[golden patrol]

Like first things first I’d like to play with mons I like yk

[covert hill]

and btw u need to change ur items

[covert hill]

i understand i was like that too

but in competitive u need to play with what's good

and not what u enjoy

ur team isn't that bad

but things don't synergize with eachother

and overall doesn't work well

for example why do u have leftovers on volcarona?

[golden patrol]

i was thinking about making it bulky and set up quiver dance and giga drain

[covert hill]

Imo for a quiver dance setup go for a fast special attacker

you could use a support on that team

and a tank

[golden patrol]

i was like - i already get speed and spa boost

smth like bulk uo rage fist annihilape yk

that doesn't care much about attack because it just bulks up

[covert hill]

yes i get it but I would leave it like that

but that team def needs rework

[golden patrol]

what would you change'

[covert hill]

what's ur nickname on smogon?

[golden patrol]

?*

showdown? Babidehh

[covert hill]

For starters I would add a tank

something to survive and help ur mons

and a support

like speed control or screens

[covert hill]

want to do a battle?

i can show u my team

So u get an idea of what I'm talking about

my team isn't the best but it's good enough

[golden patrol]

i'd rather get some suggestions on my team tbh

[covert hill]

sure

if you want it

well i would remove slither wing and breelom

put pelipper on the team to support palafin with rain

[sand echo]

https://pokepast.es/dfcfc9908cc3e9b2

tweaked from earlier

[covert hill]

add a tank to help you mons kill things

[golden patrol]

hmmmmm i'd like to switch out pala lol

[covert hill]

it's fine

in that case

switch pala breelom and slither wing

same thing but don't use rain

get a tank who can take hits for ur mons with follow me or rage powder

a support to help ur moons (speed control or screens)

[golden patrol]

like.....?

give some names lol

[covert hill]

for a tank i would recommend amonguus

[golden patrol]

i'm not able to make teams haha

[covert hill]

you can use indeedee but i prefer amoonguus

he has rage powder to direct hits (unless the target is a grass type)