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mint pilot
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any suggestions/replacements to negate that weakness?

winter gulch
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Yeah that's what I'm thinkignn about rn

mint pilot
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or do i just tera flying ttar and pray ice punch kills

main plaza
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It doesn't

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But, yeah aggresively Terastallizing with Tyranitar is the way to handle it

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Which isn't ideal

winter gulch
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I think Meowscarada could be an idea, I just realized you have a grand total of zero water resists lol

main plaza
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Jet Punch, woo

winter gulch
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0 including tera types btw

mint pilot
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yeah i was using meowscarada before but then i changed it for murkrow

winter gulch
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I think the type diversity is a bit lacking on the team, I think with Sylveon, Gholdengo, and Annihilape you could play around with more type coverage
Meowscarada, Arcanine, Tauros are all ideas you could consider to diversify your team synergies more

main plaza
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Tauros>Annihilape seems nice

mint pilot
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aqua breed right?

main plaza
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Ye

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Murkrow I feel might be the most unecessary member of the team

mint pilot
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any idea on what set i use for tauros

main plaza
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Raging Bull / CC / Aqua Jet / Detect

mint pilot
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i suck with finding out evs doom

main plaza
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I just run max max

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Adamant apparently is used

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Tho, I think underpacing Hydreigon is cringe

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This team is pretty good lookin against Hydreigon, tho

mint pilot
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safety goggles for the item?

main plaza
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hmm, yeah it could be that

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You might also want Substitute on Sylveon if you go with Tauros

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Worse Mon against Amoon, Sub helps against Amoon

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I'm not sure what could actually be better in place of Murkrow

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Maybe it's fine as is

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Ground immunity + Dondozo answer is good

mint pilot
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is there anything else i can use that directly benefits from sand?

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because its kinda useless once lycan dies and ttar gets low

main plaza
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Yes

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Anything good?

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Idk

mint pilot
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would it be worth using sand veil chomp

main plaza
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Oh

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I forgot about him

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I think you could make Sand + Garchomp work for sure

mint pilot
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what do i replace in that case

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and also what tera type for tauros

winter gulch
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generally speaking ttar and lycanroc is neough for sand

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I honestly wouldn't run Chomp as it doesn't help your team defensively very much

mint pilot
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this is what i have so far

west dragon
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thoughts on my team? ihave no idea what i'm cooking

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mint pilot
main plaza
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By extension, the Defog Corv is not worth it

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Clodsire I do not think is good

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I have seen Bulk Up Corv

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I'm not really sure how good Corv is in general, tho

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o

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This is Series Two, I have not played it yet, but pretty sure the entry hazard thing will still ring true

winter gulch
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I would say Clodsire is not good becsause it doens't exert enough offensive pressure or helps anyone exert offensive pressure

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it just sits there and basically makes the game a 2v1, especially in Open Team Sheets

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That Corv set could be greatly altered, the one you have rn is a bit passive and doesn't do much

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I would also go Thunderbolt > Volt Switch on Rotom, forcing a switch when you want to use and electric type move is annoying sometimes

cursive mason
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Which this team looks like it might have a little trouble with

mint pilot
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mirror herb only mirrors buffs not drops right

static mountain
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also psyshock is mainly for tera poison gargnacl

winter gulch
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Also your Iron Hands wants WIld Charge > Thunder Punch, and you made a typo with Fake Tears

static mountain
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oh yea

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I used a simmilar team to this one yesterday

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with arcanine as the last mon

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and life orb trick room imprison fluttermane

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but I had a lot of trouble vs gargnacl + gastrodon

static mountain
winter gulch
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I like Arcanine there

static mountain
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anything that wouldn't struggle that much with gargnacl?

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I've just been swept by gargnacl 4 times already and I'm traumatized

winter gulch
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The rest of your team already hits it consistently enough but I guess you could run something like Meowscarada?

static mountain
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I mainly struggle with

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tera poison ones

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and meow doesn't help that much against it

winter gulch
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If you really need something Great Tusk works

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it just doesn't synergize that well with your team

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and you already have a Fighting type

static mountain
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yea

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I hate gargnacl so much smh

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do you think maybe running

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gholdengo instead of fluttermane

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and changing arcanine

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is an option?

static mountain
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@winter gulch do you think facade iron hands is viable?

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like for arcanines

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or is it not worth it

winter gulch
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I don't think the moveslot is worth it personally

hidden path
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i wanna remove scream tail and replace it with something

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and go away from the TR

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@winter gulch

winter gulch
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Its not bad, the synergy is there

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I think you'll have a hard time with Flutter mane though, lets fix some of that

hidden path
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k

winter gulch
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Also Sylveon wants Protect over Dazzling Gleam (which is useless since Hyper Voice does the exact same thing but stronger)

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and Tera Fire is better so it resists Steel

hidden path
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alright

winter gulch
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And you can't have two life orbs

hidden path
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oh yeah

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which do i keep?

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maybe focus sash on roaring moon?

winter gulch
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Tera Steel on Roaring Moon, resists Fairy
Zoom Lens does nothing on Lilligant since it usually goes first, I would give it Sash so it lives more
I honestly would replace Sylveon and add something like AV Kingambit do help with your FLutter Mane MU + give your team a bit more of a TR core
You want Leaf Storm on Lilligant, Protect > Ancient Power on Torkoal

static mountain
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throat chop on roaring moon

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instead of crunch

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it helps with sylveons, farigirafs and skeledirges

hidden path
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k

valid mesa
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Yo rule 7, 1 team at a time

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This is a lot for us to handle

tired oxide
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Mb

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I'll just wait till later

hidden path
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hidden path
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another set

hidden path
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im gonna replace the lucario

hidden path
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i keep making new teams lel

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nvm it gets slapped by torkoal

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ill try a dondozo team

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i think i finally made a good team

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wait why do i have muddy water and surf on tatsugiri

cursive mason
hidden path
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i just realised how inconsistent dondozo is

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one haze and its all done

sand minnow
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thats more cus ur bringing ur dozo in on murk

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like yeah its not gonna do much if you swap a mon into its hard counter

muted dawn
cursive mason
tired oxide
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  • Unless you're doing that Wolfey setup where you're trying to kill off Tatsugiri sfter he gets in the mouth so it's a reliable 2v2 still
halcyon gale
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thats not a wolfey setup

tired oxide
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Well I'm just referencing him bc I saw his video

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Mb

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Not trying to say he's the Originator 😭🙏

hidden path
hidden path
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-2 braincells coming in again

tired oxide
hidden path
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ah

tired oxide
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I think new Series drop Feb 1

hidden path
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the scarlet and violet one?

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bro they finna replaced ash after like 4 decades

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ash imo was one of the main factors (other than the games) of pkmn gaining money

tired oxide
hidden path
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ah

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well

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im too lazy

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hows this team btw?

tired oxide
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Like the first one had no paradox mons me thinks

hidden path
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ik drought and drizzle = bad but considering i only bring 4 pokemon to the VGC i can make a team around that

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also im replacing the hurricane on kilo to air slash

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iron jugulis very op

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i think its a good flutter counter

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idk

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its worked well against flutter

tired oxide
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That makes sense however I think It would be easier to bring an entire Team that synchronize well with your 4 core pokemon so you can always adapt to different teams so it won't be awkward working around 2 different cores

hidden path
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grass types have become really nice cuz of arboliva brute bonnet and ofc amoongus

tired oxide
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Ofc this is just my silly opinion and I am in no fact a "pro" vgc player lol

hidden path
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so i use torkoal to counter that

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BROO THIS GUYS POPULATION BOMB HIT 10 TIMES

tired oxide
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If they're running wide lens it's 99% chance per hitb

hidden path
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AND my hydro pump missed

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my team gets SLAPPED by electric types

hidden path
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oop

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ignore the message i replied to

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i might replace kiliwattrel

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with oricorio

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oh wait nvm it needs to be paired with volcarona

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but i definitely need a ground type

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thoughts on sandy shocks @tired oxide ?

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imma experiment with it

tired oxide
hidden path
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meh yeah but that stab is nice

tired oxide
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That's true

hidden path
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electric and ground stab

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and flying tera makes it resist its weakness

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ground and grass

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  • it might be a good pivot
winter gulch
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I would not say Magnezone is better

hidden path
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im running earth power thunderbolt flash cannon and power gem

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it has insane coverage

winter gulch
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you also have way too many flying teams, makes your team very weak to electric, rock, and ice

hidden path
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should i remove iron jugulis or dragonite

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dragonite's a powerhouse but iron jugulis has really come in clutch the past few games i played

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ive grown very attached to iron jugulis lel

tired oxide
winter gulch
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I feel like most of your team would need to be reworked tbh

hidden path
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k

winter gulch
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let me think as to how you can do it

hidden path
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so no more torkoal

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and lilligant

winter gulch
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yeah preferably

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I think the way to go with weather teams is generally like this:
a weather setter and 1-2 mons that benefit from it
the other 2-3 pokemon need to support them and allow them to run effectively

tired oxide
hidden path
winter gulch
hidden path
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k

winter gulch
# tired oxide After Would you mind rating a few of mine? https://pokepast.es/8385014d3cd3a34...

Its interesting, the sets are good so we can work on synergy!
You have a lot of priority moves which might conflict with terrain a bit
I'm generally a bit confused as to why Cetitan is here, it doesn't have Snow to help it out and its offensive stats are a bit mediocre
Hatterene and Armarouge seem pretty redundant, (especially since Iron Valiant and Psy spam cover those two types already) so its not that great.
I would replace Hatterene with another Special TR abuser like Torkoal, and replace Cetitan with a faster Pokemon (such as Meowscarada)

hidden path
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i replaced torkoal with palafin

tired oxide
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Except for taking hits

hidden path
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cetitan imo bad

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stats are insane

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but like

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has almost no offense

tired oxide
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I feel like he can be good under the right circumstances

Since he knows belly drum
Ice shard or slush rush ice move

hidden path
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to actually make it good you need to set up hail

tired oxide
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True

winter gulch
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Cetitan is fine under Snow, but standalone its not great imo

hidden path
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yea

tired oxide
hidden path
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hey is rotom wash good with rain teams?

tired oxide
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I think he can be really good
Hydro Pump spam with Thunder Spam can be effective

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And he's decently fast

hidden path
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and decent defences and goodd offenses

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im gonna add a lightning rod pikachu with light ball

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for the funnis

muted dawn
winter gulch
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Legendaries are allowed only in certain formats

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we are not in one of them right now

winter gulch
tired oxide
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I hope they consider Paradox mons as restricted
I think it'll force players to be more conservative on what mons they bring to the table

winter gulch
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they won't

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think of them like ultra beasts

versed root
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i mean you usually only run 1 or 2 anyway

tired oxide
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Yeah but on the hypothetical that the box legendary get unbanned
I can see a lot of teams using at least 3 or 4

versed root
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maybe. Tbh the reliance on weather/terrain can be pretty risky.

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btw any tips for my team?

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mainly struggling with opposing garganacls and armadeedee

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recently found a new use for my flutter mane as a cleanup after tr ends

winter gulch
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Its a very typical Hard TR team

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Have you considered using a more defensive tera type on your Kingambit?

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I would go AV on Hands btw, gives it a lot of bulk

versed root
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huh

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wait ima do some calcs real quick

winter gulch
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But yeah Garganacl is just tough for these TR teams

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you could consider Great Tusk if you really need the support

versed root
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was running booster energy bc i thought you needed it to make wild charge 1hko flutter

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but apparently you don’t need it

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yea im prob trying av then

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btw kingambit doesn’t really seem to get picked much by me

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so uh

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what matchups are good for kingambit?

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also should i run iron head or heavy slam on hands

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srry if im getting too annoying

burnt osprey
drifting onyxBOT
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sand minnow
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they literally said, its for vgc22

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which was last year, when you could use legendaries

polar venture
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My first vgc team. I have never played vgc before. It’s a rain dance team while trying to cover bases as much as possible. This is for vgc 2023 series 2. Any tips appreciated. https://pokepast.es/a27613f72762e56b

mint pilot
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https://pokepast.es/c685a4d2aac3a93e i feel like this team is missing something. I feel like i need another support pokemon and tauros isnt working super well, but its my only water resist

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thinking of switching slyveon for rotom-wash since its a water resist, can support with will o wisp and has good offense

tired oxide
winter gulch
winter gulch
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Although perosnally I think your team as WAY too many water types, I would actually remove the Dozo/Giri combo from the team and add more Pokemon with different type diversities, such as Tauros, Meowscarada, etc.

winter gulch
polar venture
mint pilot
polar venture
winter gulch
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eits an extra support mon and it helps with your Fairy weakness a bi

winter gulch
mint pilot
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also whats the best tera for water tauros?

cursive mason
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I think they’re generally fire or grass Tera but water also prob works

plucky hinge
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Will Gren be VGC usable?(Meta wise)

winter gulch
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eventually yes

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but not right now

plucky hinge
tired oxide
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Maybe make a small sample team that's basically unofficial until you know he's usable then finish it off

cursive mason
fathom star
drifting onyxBOT
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normal stream
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can u explain the spreads and seta

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i have trouble understanding like half of them

sand minnow
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i understand the sets but some of them are goofy af

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tr mane with one (1) abuser

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attempting to combine attacking and support maus and ending up with something worse than either

static mountain
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static mountain
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thoughts?

halcyon gale
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this seems fine but im not sure what farigiraf does here tbh

hidden path
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dondozo and tatsugiri is very inconsistent

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especially when you have only 4 pokemon in the field

halcyon gale
hidden path
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sandy shock’s great stab typing makes it a threat to things like torkoal, arcanine, flutter mane (if you have flash cannon, which i run with assault vest)

halcyon gale
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some very bad advice

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sandy shocks isnt good

hidden path
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o k

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Just my opinion ig

halcyon gale
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tatsudozo is v good still

hidden path
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ok

halcyon gale
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dont send replays unless its to like analyse something

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i guess

hidden path
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ah alright

polar venture
# hidden path add sandy shocks trust

Kinda makes no sense to have a ground type in a rain dance team especially if it’s weak against water types that are boosted in rain. With Torkoal I can see where you’re coming from though.

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Oh. I get it.

halcyon gale
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dont use it

polar venture
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Yeah. It doesn’t make sense.

hidden path
valid mesa
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I probably wouldn't add shocks

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Also don't call it a counter, it's really not

hidden path
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Well not a counter but is great against it in most scenarios

valid mesa
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I wouldn't add it

hidden path
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i just had a match where it DOMINATED the other team with amoongus

valid mesa
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If you're really wanting a Ground on rain, Garchomp is what I'd look at

hidden path
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it had flutter mane, iron hands, torkoal, and something else i forgot

valid mesa
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But it's not a unilateral thing

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Shocks needs the right comp to be effective, Rain can easily use Garchomp or a diff Electric. Comes with the benefit of not effectively doubling any Water weaknesses in rain as well as not adding an extra Grass weak

hidden path
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I lnow im a bad decision maker but:

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my team has one extra slot open, and ive been having trouble with sunroom with farigaraf

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shpuod i add a slow fire type

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even though ut goes against everything my team has going for it

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to use the opponents team against them?

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Or a decently fast onw with room service

versed root
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any tips to avoid being yeeted by arcanine + garganacl

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here’s my team btw

static mountain
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what could be some options for changing it?

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if you could suggest anything

cursive mason
versed root
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and then the leftovers make it even slower

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and it’s just really hard

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and they can randomly protect to make it even more annoying

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I just can’t take it out quickly

cursive mason
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If they’re playing pretty passive you can try to exploit that and just target the partners until you can endgame it

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But I will admit that TR does have a tough time dealing with that garg set quickly

hidden path
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also what do i name each of my mons

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kinda sun based team:

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named my mons too

valid mesa
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Looks like a very very strange team. Not really seeing the synergy fully here.
Amoonguss has Effect Spore
Shocks feels like it would be underwhelming, especially as if you go into sun, Thunder now has 50% accuracy.
Flutter with a Scope Lens just feels extremely odd, especially when Life Orb still exists.
Jugulis and Murkrow overlap a bunch, and Jugulis really doesn't want to go into sun cause Hurricane is 50% accurate in sun. Volcarona seems okay, but I don't care for Bug moves in this meta for the most part, having Tera Grass Giga Drain is generally better else a Tera Steel Specs offensive can work - but I would try QD Tera Bug + Bug Buzz.
Think I'd need to understand what direction you want to take here, what pieces you really want to keep before I can suggest anything

static mountain
drifting onyxBOT
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static mountain
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it has been working well for me in testing but I'm still not entirely sure

plucky hinge
winter gulch
sand minnow
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Annihilape
Meowscarada
Skeledirge
Hydreigon
Maushold
Garganacl

What are good sets for each mon?

static mountain
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do you think that would work better?

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I'm testing both rn

winter gulch
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I think the old version is better imo but you can try it out

hidden path
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i can prolly replace the others

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i kept effect spore cuz i dont plan to switch out amoong us when im using it

hidden path
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im fmvtis btw

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holy crap why does bruxish have s8ch good abilities

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daxxling and wonder skin

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a y e s

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grammar 100

sand minnow
drifting onyxBOT
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valid mesa
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If you're not doing Lens Maushold, you shouldn't be Pop Bomb. Should be Follow Me anyway. Would prefer a better utility move than Helping Hand, I like Baby-Doll Eyes but I've seen a few things.
I generally dislike Taunt Ape, it's a bit of a momentum sink.
Think I'd play Sash Meow with Goggles/Helmet Maus
You have 2 Choice Bands. AV Azu doesn't look a horrible fit for this, Ice Spinner, Liquidation, Play Rough, Aqua Jet. Makes your Garchomp and Dragonite MUs p alright
Scope Lens Hydrei without Focus Energy doesn't really make sense. Do Tera Fire Heat Wave, Draco, Focus Energy, Protect
In terms of other Teras, Maus should be Ghost, Ape should be one of Fire or Water, Dirge should be Grass and I generally prefer Fairy or Grass Azu, but Water can be fine too

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I can probably dig up a better Annihilape spread, cause Max Atk is really wasteful and you'll find you want more bulk for longevity. But I am currently on a train for the next 2 hours

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I also really dislike the Dirge spread, just feels a little wasteful again

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@sand minnow think that should be all

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Luckily idt you need to change mons. I reckon Grimm would be more helpful than Maushold, but it would also probably mean changing Meowscarada out to not stack a triple Dark

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But that's probably for you to decide

hidden path
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Rate pls

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did i finally make a decent team

valid mesa
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It looks like it could work, but there's a few pieces that don't really make sense to me.
Amoonguss should ideally go Regenerator
This Nacl is really odd, you have 2 physical attacks (not including Press) with only 4 EVs invested (you never do this with Nacl). It's main role is to Salt Cure and I think having Wide Guard in this meta is really good
I really don't like 4 Attacks Booster Flutter
I don't really get the point of Farigiraf, especially with an Eject Button. Button makes it inconsistent for a semi-room mode, not that you particularly need one.
I like Volcarona, would rather see Tera Grass Giga Drain.
Hands I'd make Tera Grass, should invest in SpD not HP.

Think there's definitely something interesting you could do here for a Semi-Room idea. I'd say Amoonguss/Lilligant, Hands/Tusk, Torkoal, Nacl, Bulky CM Flutter + a good TR setter (Farigiraf is actually fine, just make sure it's not button) could be really interesting to see

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Otherwise I'd just do Life Orb Flutter, QD Grass Volc as is

hidden path
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alrighty

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i didnt do regenerator amoong us cuz i ideally dont plan to switch it out, and with hands, it gives me a solid chance to put it to sleep, paralyze etc

valid mesa
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But like you should be willing to switch it

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Regenerator isn't an insignificant amount of healing

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And it's a resource that you can easily save and use to pivot

hidden path
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also the main reason i invested hp and defense in nacl is t a n k

valid mesa
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It's fine being defensive (SpD is generally better)

hidden path
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it tanked a quark drive: atk drain punch from a hands

valid mesa
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I'm just saying your attacks are a little pointless

hidden path
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Alright

valid mesa
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Salt Cure, Recover, Wide Guard, Protect is good, and blocking some of the spread options is great

hidden path
valid mesa
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Salt Cure does damage over time

hidden path
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yeah but..

valid mesa
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Really effective endgame piece with decent midgame utility

hidden path
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anyways i replaced ice punch with salt cure

valid mesa
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Shouldn't have Rock Blast then, Recover Iron Defense Body Press Salt Cure is a fine alternative idea

hidden path
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what should i put on farigaraf?

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Rock plast with 4 ivs into it one shot a 98% flutter

valid mesa
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(Also saying the Salt Cure Wide Guard set is too passive when it won San Diego is a bit eh)

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Like Nacl isn't there to threaten big OHKOs, it's just a very forcing Pokemon that you can't remove a bunch of the time

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Farigiraf I'd go with like Goggles

versed root
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nacl is literally unkillable when used right

hidden path
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oop gtg

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ill check messages later

versed root
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btw uh

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i decided to try out a garganacl set and it prob sucks

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but ive somehow been getting success with it

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please tear it to shreds and tell me what to change

hidden path
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tears it to shreds

cursive mason
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The team looks kinda passive, I feel like you’d rather have a more offensive piece over scream tail here, and the flutter should probably have moonblast over mystical fire, or a utility move

valid mesa
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Mirror Herb is also gonna be less consistent on Tauros, feel like you can also amp up the offense with it with Tera Water Wave Crash
An offensive item on the Flutter would be nice, just running Life Orb and then going with something in Slot 6 that can have speed control for the team like a Booster Bundle

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(Bundle is probably the wrong example in this case due to stacking with Tauros, though I'd argue you could do Tauros-Fire and cut Arcanine for a better piece cause role compression is really nice in s2 to make better room for the big attackers)

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Nacl, Tauros-Fire, Bundle, LO Flutter, Amoonguss +1 sounds exceptionally annoying to deal with if you find the right slot 6

cursive mason
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Moon sounds kinda nice in the 6th slot you’d just have to run sash bundle

valid mesa
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Think moon makes you too Tusk weak

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And you rely on Tauros Wisp at that point

cursive mason
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Fair, I haven’t been really considering tusk too much even though I know it’s good

valid mesa
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I'd put something together but I'm still on a train

versed root
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tysm that’s exactly what i wanted

ill try this out and see how it does

what exactly should i replace scream tail with? I like the fast encores, but im willing to try something else

hidden path
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holy crap LO dragonite + normal terast + extreme speed with air balloon tinkaton is so good

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goddamn

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like holy

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likw look at this:

valid mesa
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this channel is for VGC rates

hidden path
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Mb

winter gulch
warped tide
warped tide
versed root
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has a few games with my reworked garg set

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big threats that I noticed are opposing bundles

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and tauros

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and teams which trick room when I have a more fast-paced set or tailwind vs a slower one

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and also for some reason garg is actually killable when I use it

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maybe my evs suck or something

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perhaps i just need to play better, but again, idk anything really

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also whats a better item for tauros

winter gulch
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I'll take a look at the teams when I get home

versed root
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ok

winter gulch
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Also you can pull EVs from Jiseok's winning San Diego team if you're worried about that

winter gulch
versed root
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also how does wide guard work in synergy with protect

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on tauros its a mirror herb to copy defiant/seed/sdance/belly drum/dondozo etc boosts

winter gulch
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Safety Goggles could be an option

versed root
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i have tera grass btw for spores

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but ig it might be worth running goggles anyway

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are there any other good teras for fire tauros?

winter gulch
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the STABS are solid

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probably Fire

versed root
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ill try that out ig

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replace tera blast with flare blitz then?

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maybe bulk up? idk

valid mesa
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flare blitz is better immediate damage

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I'd probably just run Fire Tera too, you don't Tera it too often from my experience

cursive mason
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Also bundle should be water Tera here

versed root
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water tera bundle

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and wide guard now makes more sense

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i swore there was a moment where wide guard failed and i was confused af but ig i remembered wrong lol

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but yea im already kinda missing tera grass tauros lol

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tera grass tera blast was amazing for some free surprise kos

cursive mason
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I mean wide guard can fail I think if the opponent double protects(both mons protect) but I might be misremembering

sand minnow
warped tide
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warped tide
sand minnow
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I just assumed beatup + rage fist would give ape the damage it needs on top of bulk up so maybe attack invest isnt needed?

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Hmmm is this too often? Last time I @'d was around 8

winter gulch
# warped tide https://pokepast.es/10c398fcec08d09b

The sets themselves are fine, but the team has no synergy together. Abomasnow is kinda put there with no Pokemon to benefit from the snow. Your Garchomp has EQ but can't use it safely unless its with Murkrow. And Palafin doesn't have rain to really help it out here.
You also don't really want Palafin with that set, I would go with Mystic Water: Jet Punch, Wave Crash, Flip Turn, and Haze.

winter gulch
sand minnow
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Ok cool, also if you are free, how are the sets for my team? This is my first really serious vgc team ive made

warped tide
winter gulch
winter gulch
warped tide
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i just have Abomasnow to change weather

winter gulch
# warped tide this is my friend's vgc team

Its really interesting, the Garchomp not having EQ is REALLY bad, at least run Stomping Tantrum if you can't run EQ.
Tauros probably doesn't need the White Herb, you could go Goggles or Mirror Herb
I'm not sure what Goth does here tbh?

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the team doesn't really have much synergy and definitely not enough Pokemon that exert enough offensive pressure

cursive mason
winter gulch
winter gulch
sand minnow
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Eveeon, are you free?

winter gulch
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I think the team is solid!

sand minnow
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Evs and all are good...er good enough?

winter gulch
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Just fix the things Chrome8 said above and I think its a good team!
You might have a bit of trouble since you don't have speed control, but lmk if you have any problems and we can fix that

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put 4 attack EVs on ANnihilpae, since they are free EVs (you messed up somewhere and you should have 4 extra)

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When EVing your mons, just use the sliders, make it easier and you can't mess up

sand minnow
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I was going to run tail wind hydreigon but i was told to run protect and focus over tail wind.

winter gulch
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Evs are kinda something you figure out playing the team a bit, to help you figure out what you need to live and kill

winter gulch
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you have Skeledirge but that's mostly for 1v1 situations

sand minnow
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Does dirge beat dozo 1v1?

winter gulch
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Yes because you have recovery and Unaware

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(you might need to Tera but Dirge does a good job 1v1 vs Dozo)

sand minnow
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Also is murkrow better than dreigon for this team or is dreigpm better

cursive mason
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Hydra has an offensive presence which is pretty huge

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You could run tw over protect if you’re really having issues with speed control

winter gulch
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^

sand minnow
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Also can i battle one of you two on sd, mostly for the feed back from someone whos been in vgc for longee

plucky hinge
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Theoretically For gen 9. What mons would synergize well with gren?

valid mesa
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that's not a team to rate, but also that's theorymonning 🙂

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because there's no legal ruleset with Gren, so there's really no way to know if it'll even be viable if it's in.

plucky hinge
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Ok thanks.

warped tide
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Idk what evs to give Rotom & Grim

golden patrol
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Hey! Lmk about this - just swapped annihilape for a leftovers ceruledge, had too much of a stress against dondozo

winter gulch
# golden patrol Hey! Lmk about this - just swapped annihilape for a leftovers ceruledge, had too...

I assume this is a TR team? i think if you want to run a TR team you should get a more consistent setter than Medicham, as if you don't get TR up you're always on the backfoot in terms of speed. Also I understand that this is a team you bred in game, but having non-zero IVs in speed is quite suboptimal as other pokemon playing will have the optimal IVs and will underspeed you in TR (so if you can ty to reset it!)

winter gulch
winter gulch
golden patrol
golden patrol
winter gulch
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So the changes I made were making the IVs more optimal , and changed around the items a bit more

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btw you could consider ice Hammer on the crab since lowering your speed doesn't detriment you too much but you et a power boost

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I swapped AV to Kingambit and Lorb onto the Crab (since the crab's coverage moves aren't that great)

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I added Mimikyu over Medicham as it gives you two bulkier TR setters + mimikyu adds an offensive typing you didn't have before that's quite strong in the meta rn

golden patrol
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hey! tysm, i'll have a look! Will just keep ivs as the old ones because i have those in game and i don't really care too much about that side tbh - noob thought tho haha

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ice hammer wasn't good for me because of low accuracy, still ice spinner is sooooo god for terrains

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why water tera on toedscruel?

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just asking because i obv can't see something about that choice lol

winter gulch
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I put Tera water to help you live attacks from Torkoal

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since your Torkoal will always be undersped in TR

golden patrol
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gotcha, thanks!

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also i don't see many electric attacks rn right?

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in meta game

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i'm seeing a slowpoke tr healing pulse team

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with torkoal

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should i maybe go for it rather than mimi?

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or maybe not idk haha

winter gulch
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The slowpoke is kinda a meme lol

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it works on the team its meant to work on but its not a great option

golden patrol
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aightttt

vapid comet
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normal stream
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whats the trick room matchup

vapid comet
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i was thinking about imprison TR on flutter mane but wasn't sure if it would be worth it

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should i do that or swap for someone that doesnt need 2 move slots to handle it?

normal stream
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ill be honest rn

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this team looks super messy and lacking

vapid comet
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i see

normal stream
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having 5 special mons is a bad idea

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and that aside

vapid comet
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yeah that was sticking out to me lol

normal stream
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youre not really running good mons

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and some of the sets are really weird

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raichu is mainly used as an utility mon and not an offensive one, it does not have the stats for that

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gastro is whatever but it feels weird with murkrow

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murkrow teams typically just go all out on the offensive and having raichu + gastro feels weird here

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u also practically have 0 ground resists

vapid comet
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hm okay, i dont think i thought enough about the weaknesses lol

lost scroll
tired oxide
versed sage
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https://pokepast.es/061ba1bde0cc7b69

looking to build my first in game team, not sure what tera types to go with on them so any suggestions on that would be appreciated along with any other feedback

warped tide
warped tide
versed root
warped tide
lost phoenix
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lost phoenix
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oops hydra should be

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tera fire

normal stream
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s1?

lost phoenix
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yes

versed sage
static mountain
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because it is banded

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also why does the gholdengo even have dazzling gleam?

versed root
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here’s my revised garganacl team

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rip arcanine lol

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i tend to have lots of trouble with opposing bundles/flutters

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and, conveniently, literally nobody tried to spore my tauros after I gave it goggles

cursive mason
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Arc set can be whatever you want really although to deal with flutter you prob want snarl arc

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Maybe goggles flare blitz/snarl/willowisp/protect or helping hand

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Iron hands set should prob be wild charge or thunder punch/drain punch or close combat/fake out/heavy slam or volt switch or ice punch

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Bundle should also be Tera water on this team I think

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You’re also missing like 60 evs on Garganacl

versed root
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wait i am

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ohh

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i swore i copied the evs from that other garg from the regional but i guess i screwed up lol

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bruh

normal stream
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now that scream tail is out

versed root
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how am i this dumb lol

normal stream
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whats the trick room matchup lol

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not that scream tail is any trick room matchup but its something

versed root
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garg + amogus ig

normal stream
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oh wiat u have arc and hands nvm

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its probably fine

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lack of speed control becomes bit concerning against faster teams

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especially teams with offensive grounds like great tusk

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worth considering tera flying and tera grass rk9

versed sage
mint pilot
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tbolt is better than dazzling gleam because you can actually hit water types that resist steel

versed sage
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hmmm i might go with tbolt, I think thats probably a better choice since im terrbile at predictions so unlikly to be able to make good use of protect atm

plucky hinge
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normal stream
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idk what youre going with either

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looks very messy

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like a bunch of random mons just slapped together

plucky hinge
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Yeah idk what gallade works with

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He probably gonna be “okish” in series 2 with so many paradox mons.

normal stream
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whats the end goal here

plucky hinge
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I kinda wanted to runa garchomp and gholdengo combo with an unusual tailwind setter. I dont really do vgc builds With To build a team around gallade and to see if some para mons work with it.

lost phoenix
sand minnow
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@winter gulch

winter gulch
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Hi

sand minnow
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winter gulch
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On it

sand minnow
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I used amoongus because it provides a similar role to maus but with spore can stop dozo dead in its tracks

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While also making my sylveon match up better by resisting hyper voice

spiral shale
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amoong and maus are pretty different roles

sand minnow
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On the team maus role was to use beat up on ape or direct damage off of other mons with follow me

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Amoongus plays a similar role with helping out ape with pollen puff and then using rage powder to redirect damage

winter gulch
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I think the sets are fine, but overall the team doesn't have any speed control and general direction for the team. You run a lot of Slow Pokemon but not enough Trick Room support. You're also more bulky than offensive, which is sub optimal since you have limited TR turns. I would try replacing one of the pokemon (Like skeledirge) to help you support TR a bit better

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Also you would want more attacks and higher offensive stats to use TR better

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And you want min IVs in speed

sand minnow
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Isnt ape too fast for tr?

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I was thinking about running tailwind over protect on dreigon considering we have dual screens

lost phoenix
winter gulch
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Already did

sand minnow
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Hmmm would tailwind be better than protect with dualscreens? It gives me a form of speed control

lost phoenix
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Oh thats the one

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I thought u were rating the other guy sry

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I could make the skele a torkoal?

winter gulch
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You also don't have any speed control + your team feels s little bit passive

sand minnow
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Hmmm tailwind might fix that speed problem but what would we replace skeledirge with?

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Wait maybe something like gholdengo?

winter gulch
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and I would give it Life Orb

quick isle
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Do you guys do VGC series 2 rates?

sand minnow
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Now i got the speed control with tail wins and i have more offense with make it rain gholdengo

winter gulch
winter gulch
sand minnow
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Alright^^ any mons i should look for in particular?

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Amoong + dreigon are our dozo checks, azu beats the dragons and murkrow, amoon + hydreigon or grass azu to combat meow, enemy grimm dont like dealing with life orb gholdengo, enemy ape doesnt like amoongus or azumarill, hydreigon hates azumarill and ape as it doesnt ko ape and azu ohkos it if it doesnt terra.

quick isle
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https://pokepast.es/fedf89c65ac9a324
There's a lot I could change and add, but this is pretty much just a bunch of ideas melded together and I want to hear some feed back on what's good and especially what's bad

sand minnow
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mint pilot
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not sure on gargs tera tho

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might switch to grass or dragon to resist both water and grass but at the cost of losing the steel resist

vocal raptor
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Is this a good set for Amph in a Rain team?

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Ampharos @ Choice Specs
Ability: Static
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 4 HP / 44 Def / 96 SpA / 124 SpD / 240 Spe
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Power Gem
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Dragon Pulse
  • Thunder
winter gulch
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Can I ask why you have 0 IVs in Speed and 240 EVs?

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(240 is suptomical in VGC btw)

winter gulch
vocal raptor
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i just gave the set the item and random evs i thought were good

winter gulch
mint pilot
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i should change it to something like grass to resist water, grass and ground

winter gulch
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You could run Mental Herb on Amoonguss but I think WIki would get you more from that item
Also you have two leftovers, and I don't think either mon wants it lol
Protect > Solar Beam on Torkoal, switch item to Charcoal
Change Scovillain to Life Orb or Sash

quick isle
winter gulch
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you have a very hyper offensive core and then just a slow paced mon that doesn't exert high pressure

mint pilot
quick isle
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What would be a good item for a Scovillian?

winter gulch
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Lorb or Sash

quick isle
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I was thinking Sash

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Thanks!

warped tide
drifting onyxBOT
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warped tide
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Modified my friend's team a bit

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This is for the current VGC format on the game itself

hidden path
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rate?

drifting onyxBOT
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normal stream
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oricorio sucks and shouldnt be used seriously honestly

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some of the sets are uh

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quite questionable

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tectless moon is a no no

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whyre u tera bug volc when u already have giga drain

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just run tera grass ol

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tera rock garg is horrible

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run a defensive tera type

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grass is good

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idk why youre tera dark grimm either run like ghost or something to stop fake outs

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once u throw oricorio out u can consider either an amoong or bonnet in the last slot to help patch up the trick room matchup

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and to help support mence/volc

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but with that said now that i look at it goddamn your garg matchup is horrendous lol

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not an impossible matchup but just very very very uncomfortable for you and it can easily just fuck your shit up esp in endgames where u dont have enough offensive power to kill it

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since the majority of your mons are phys

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actually what are the atk evs on garg even for i dont get that garg set at all lol

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ok heres an idea we run swords dance tera water iron hands in the last slot

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torkoal resist? check

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trick room matchup? check

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garg matchup? check

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toss a goggles onto it and youre golden

hidden path
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aight

hidden path
winter gulch
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you want protect on Roaring Moon

hidden path
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ah k

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so no dragon dance?

winter gulch
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you can afford DDance if you remove another attacking move but you NEED Protect

hidden path
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K

winter gulch
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I would just ty without DDance, its strong and fast enough without it

hidden path
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ywah i did that

normal stream
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nah def run ddance here if u have the support for it

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ddance moon is the only set that does damage

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other sets suck

winter gulch
hidden path
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how can i improve them

normal stream
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3 move tect is an ass set

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imo

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even booster spe tailwind is better

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i feel

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moon is so ass if youre not using it for ddance fast tw is the best u can do

winter gulch
normal stream
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even w 139atk its just filled to the brim w mediocrity

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and struggles to secure kos

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w ddance and sufficient support moon can tear teams apart

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mistergx was using a ddance moon team on ladder

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but then he alos had like 4 mons dedicated to like

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keeping that thing alive

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lol

winter gulch
hidden path
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The teams going well so far

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azumarill is sweeping this guys team

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I forgot about defiant on annihilape and used parting shot on it 💀

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its done tho

hidden path
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@normal stream whats a good will-o-wisp user

normal stream
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arcanine or talon

hidden path
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alright

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i replaced moon with hydreigon

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also i wanna replace one of my mons with a follow me user

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which should i replace

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ill just replace talon

normal stream
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now that youve thrown out moon for drei your team bacomes much more pasive lol

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and grimm feels wasted here bc the only mon thats setting up is volc

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unless youre running like focus energy drei

hidden path
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broo this team is finally getting me somewhere

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im normally stuck between 1100-1150 on the rankings

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im actually at 1196 now

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mostly cuz focus energy scope lens hydrei

normal stream
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x_x

versed root
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meanwhile my dumb team keeps going between 1250 and 1400 aaaaaa

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it’s like a sine graph

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just keeps fluctuating up and down lol

hidden path
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maushold makes my team WAAAAY too passive

quick isle
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https://pokepast.es/eced0276404fdd32
I'm really liking this team but the more I look at it to try and find weaknesses the more come up. Especially my matchup into rock and fairy types, or even opposing torkoal

versed root
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moon needs protect

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bruh only one of your mons have protect lol

quick isle
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Yeah, I realized that, I tend to focus on filling in moves and forget the simple things

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Do you have any suggestions on what to replace with protect on moon?

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Or other mons that should have protect?

hidden path
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tw ig

versed root
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nah

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tw is fine

hidden path
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ah

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acrobatics maybe

versed root
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id say to replace dragon claw or throat chop

hidden path
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or dragon

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replace dragon claw

versed root
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im no professional but i also find it questionable that your torkoal has no eruption

hidden path
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while you're at it could you rate this

versed root
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im not a rater lol

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im just a guy

hidden path
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k

versed root
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who felt like giving advice

hidden path
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sorta new to vgc

quick isle
hidden path
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ive been playing for a week maybe

hidden path
quick isle
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I'm mostly using torkoal to enable other mons more than sweep itself

versed root
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ah

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then get indeedee ig

hidden path
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my team barely has any support

versed root
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better support than torkoal and enables expanding force

hidden path
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i have grimm to set up screems, spirit break, parting shot then just offense

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and thats it

quick isle
hidden path
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rain better imo

versed root
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sun is actually slightly antisynrgetic lol

quick isle
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Wdym?

versed root
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makes moon not lose booster energy

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and thus no acrobatics boost

quick isle
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I didn't realize that, thanks for letting me know

hidden path
versed root
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that team seems solid to my “i started playing vgc when SV came out” eyes

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again im not a professional but uh

hidden path
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o k

versed root
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ig you could replace a water type

hidden path
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i wanna keep azu

quick isle
hidden path
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tbh not a big fan of it

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just put it in for one match to test

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mid

quick isle
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Neither am I, it's just one of those mons that feels like it needs so much support

hidden path
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what should i replace it with

versed root
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an amoongus is an easy option for “i just want to throw this in” support

quick isle
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True

hidden path
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maybe garg?

versed root
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give rocky helmet or occa berry

quick isle
hidden path
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i use rocky helmet mostly

hidden path
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y'know

versed root
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garg is more a unkillable wall

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than support

quick isle
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I like armorouge more for widegaurd

versed root
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arma is more offensive

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they both work

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depending on their other traits

hidden path
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eh i alr have a fire type in volc

quick isle
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The team seems more offensive in general

hidden path
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volc can sweep any team in the right circumstances

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yeah its middling between offensive-hyper offensive i think

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idk why but i feel like putting in avalugg

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184 def be looking clean tho

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body press with that

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but the sp.def

versed root
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avalugg when one special attack

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and it’s slow

hidden path
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ye

versed root
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and ice is a bad defensive typing

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just don’t use avalugg imo lol

hidden path
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ye

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imma use eiscue cuz funny

versed root
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but go ask a person who actually knows stuff if you want better advice

hidden path
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maybe

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maybe

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or ditto

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BECAUSE

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why not

versed root
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honestly scarf ditto is ok

hidden path
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d o n e

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crap lag imma go

versed root
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somebody with a brain please come and give these guys actually qualified advice lol

hidden path
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yes

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my teams having trouble with palafin, especially late game

halcyon gale
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ended up not going mence

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quaquaval is there cuz water resist + hydrei check

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might go sash on it tho

valid mesa
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Quaquaval is only a check if its AV

hidden path
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having trouble with palafin, an y counters?

halcyon gale
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what do u suggest

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i was thinking i need a water resist + more insurance for hydrei

hidden path
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@valid mesa any counters for palafin

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(without terast)

valid mesa
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I'm not really getting your team's synergy

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I'd do something like Booster Bundle, LO 3a Mane, QD Volc, Scope Lens Hydrei, then maybe just Meowscarada +1

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The double water makes little sense to me, just complete overlap

hidden path
valid mesa
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It should be Scope Lens

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That's the point of Focus Energy

hidden path
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yeah

halcyon gale
valid mesa
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Otherwise you don't run Focus Energy, you run like Goggles Tera Steel for Tailwind support

hidden path
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adding a bundle rn

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bundle or meowscarada?

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cuz 2 water types overlaps

valid mesa
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Meowscarada is not a water type.

hidden path
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yeah ik

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but i have azumarill and if i add bundle

valid mesa
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Azumarill is a water type.

hidden path
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so maybe meows?

valid mesa
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I'm saying just get rid of both for the better mon

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Bundle actually gives you some okay speed control, which stuff like Hydrei Flutter will appreciate

hidden path
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azumarill really sweeps early game for me

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i have a ditto rn idk why

valid mesa
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It's nothing the rest of your stuff can't do

hidden path
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ill replace that

sand minnow
winter gulch
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I get home in around 2.5h so if you're willing to wait I can help, but someone else can help eeveon1Hehe

halcyon gale
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water tauros

sand minnow
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Ah alright hmm @valid mesa are you there?

valid mesa
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Clear Amulet is a dead item a lot

halcyon gale
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i have goggles on farigiraf

valid mesa
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I'd do Sitrus Amoon personally

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I'd probably also have Clear Smog or Leaf Storm

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Over Protect

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Max SpA is wrong on Amoon though

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Should definitely have some bulk

sand minnow
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I might go clear smog to get rid of stat boosts

halcyon gale
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what set on tauros

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uhh stabs jet tect?

valid mesa
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Yeah that's fine

sand minnow
valid mesa
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I'd grab the set from Jeudy's San Diego team

halcyon gale
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Amoonguss @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 244 HP / 180 Def / 4 SpA / 76 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Spore
  • Leaf Storm
  • Pollen Puff
  • Rage Powder
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this?

sand minnow
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Would leaf storm still deal decent damage with no spa invest?

halcyon gale
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there we go

valid mesa
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And other weak stuff you just fine into

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Most of the time it just redirects

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Or Spores

halcyon gale
valid mesa
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Probably okay ig

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Probably very Flutter weak

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Flutter Tusk Sun

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Looks really hard

halcyon gale
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moths job is

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that

valid mesa
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Moth Gambit ints to Tusk

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It just looks like one of those matchups you're honestly just not beating

halcyon gale
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hm

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true

sand minnow
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Welp rain completely screws my team over

mint pilot
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mint pilot
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im having a hard time with the tr matchup and some resistances

quick isle
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Is worth having a second sun setter for a sun team? Or is sunny day just a wasted move slot?

cursive mason
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It’s usually not worth it

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Torkoal usually does the job well enough, and spending a turn to set up sun isn’t that great, especially with the teamstyle that torkoal teams tend to have

sand minnow
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Hmmm chrome 8 https://pokepast.es/357bba4d9c745849 is there anything that can be improved here? Something about this team doesn't feel right and i dont know if i just need to play more or if its the team.

cursive mason
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I think the spreads might need a little work, but the mons look fine

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You’re wasting 4 evs on annihilape, just throw them in atk, and then it’s nature should probably be something other than jolly, probably careful

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Personally I would run a bulkier gholdengo set on this team, I don’t have a spread on hand atm but maybe someone else does

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Maybe make amoonguss helm here

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Also make grimm Tera steel

sand minnow
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Ive gone threw 3 amoongus items so far

cursive mason
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Oh and make amoonguss Tera dark/water

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Something else to consider is potentially running a different move on grimm over parting shot, like taunt, but parting shot is fine

sand minnow
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Also maybe banded azu or is vested better

normal stream
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looks ok

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garg might be just a lil annoying so u need to burst down the rest of the team fast

hidden path
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keep vested

dapper owl
drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

tired oxide
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rate?

halcyon gale
normal stream
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why do both of yall have 0 protects

halcyon gale
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  • I'd go palafin > skewda
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Also that yeah

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Some of these sets need fixing

normal stream
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these 2 teams arent something that a rate can fix

halcyon gale
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Specially amoong

normal stream
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fundamentals are whats lacking here

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fixing a team wouldnt help

halcyon gale
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Ig

dapper owl
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That's fair

normal stream
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id normally refer yall to the sample teams

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to try and get a grip on the format

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before diving into teambuilding

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but since those dont exist

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just steal the top teams from here

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tbh

dapper owl
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Alright then.

normal stream
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think yall need to play mroe before actually buillding your own teams

tired oxide
winter gulch
normal stream
tired oxide
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bruh

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bet tho

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pratice do be handy

hidden path
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why do i keep making teams

tired oxide
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It's addicting

plucky hinge
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Is gallade viable this gen?

hidden path
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mid

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iron valiant better

plucky hinge
hidden path
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ah

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replaced hydrei witth jugu

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felt i needed more speed

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and put haxorun for unaware

sand minnow
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Might make a new team cuz the current one just feels like it loses to rain really really quickly

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Im thinking maybe using garg and skeledirge or at least just garganacl

plucky hinge
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https://pokepast.es/cd2692e8a3c86476
This is the beginning of my vgc team. Im trying to build around gallade and use unique mons like jumpluff. Ive used some filler mons and the team actually wins. Do i know what im doing? Hell no. Im getting into vgc atm.

drifting onyxBOT
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New VGC RMT @valid mesa, @normal stream, @main plaza, @winter gulch. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

valid mesa
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Complete teams only please 🙂

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but also Jumpluff is a touch pointless.

granite pier
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since I'm new to vgc and such

hidden path
hidden path
hidden path
normal stream
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x_x

normal stream
versed root
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here’s my team

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should i replace the item on flutter

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or something