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mint pilot
dense wing
plucky hinge
knotty shard
winter gulch
# mint pilot https://pokepast.es/f7ad7bfa710a223f feel like i need more synergy, any suggesti...

I think the team is solid! The 6 is good, all actually synergize quite well. I think your defensive typings make Earthquake (Garchomp) and Make It Rain (Gholdengo) a bit difficult (you have small checks, but could be better with better type synergy, such as grass, steel, etc.)
You need a Dondozo Tatsugiri counter,/check which it doesn't seem to exist. Your whole team is already quite frail and doesn't have anything designed to beat Dondozo, a very relavent threat. Some good answers (you want more than 1) could be Meowscarada (Flower Trick to ignore boosts, fits with your faster paced team), Crit Hydreigon (Equip Scope Lens,add Focus Energy, goes through Dozos boosts and your own Draco Meteor drops), or a Clear Smog/Haze user (Murkrow, Amoonguss, etc.)
Also add in your natures! Tera Normal Maushold doesn't add anything offensively or defensively, maybe consider Steel or Ghost? Tera Fire Annihilape is generally better as it's weak to roughly the same things as Steel and it prevents burns

winter gulch
# knotty shard https://pokepast.es/020716762ce62a0d

Team is strong, I don't see too many glaring issues in your team!
Tatsu and Meoscarada want Tera Grass and Ground to do more damage since they are already frail and fast, won't be living anything. Tera Ground > Fire works on Sylveon, you lose your Steel Resist which isn't great. (works though) I think you want 36 EVs of Speed for Sylveon, allows for you to outspeed Garchomp and Hydreigon in Tailwind. Also Dazzling Gleam is better on Gholdengo, Electric and Rock are pretty redundant in offensive pressure

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Me or someone else will get to the rest ASAP, I need to sleep lol

knotty shard
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No worries! Have a good rest 😁

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# dense wing an attempt has been made https://pokepast.es/66ba3dd9abdd4577

Pretty interesting take, very concerned about Dozo matchup. I'd switch to the Wide Guard Garganacl set, as you can often steal a bit of time to click Salt Cure. Clear Smog on Amoonguss is a must as well for that. Otherwise it looks fairly normal for hard TR, even if I think it's really difficult to pull off. Be conscious of your matchups vs Baxcalibur and Kingambit, both are likely fine but you can't be too careful

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plucky hinge
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I also might need a fire attack as i have none.

valid mesa
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Why do you need to do that on Rain

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Bax would cover the Grasses more than fine

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Tera Flying Dragonite is an option

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And you go with Low Kick for steels

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Ability: Multiscale  
Level: 50  
Tera Type: Flying  
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe  
Adamant Nature  
- Extreme Speed  
- Tera Blast  
- Dragon Claw  
- Rock Slide
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like for example, this is exceptionally strong

dense wing
mint pilot
high path
plucky hinge
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# high path Hi https://pokepast.es/df5f12d0a1a24b60

Fair amount of things here that I am truly not a fan of:
I'd generally still run a Psychic STAB on Indeedee-F, likely over Dazzling Gleam. Also there is zero reason not to have Trick Room on it given the reliance of the team on the move.
Armarouge can very easily go with Tera Grass, as removing its weaknesses for better longevity is really vital for what this team wants to do. Clear Smog feels exceptionally desperate in the Dondozo matchup, and you'd probably be better served with Energy Ball for generally better matchups into the Waters that do exist.
I don't mind Specs Torkoal, but triple Fire move is generally a little overkill. You can do a set like Eruption, Heat Wave, Earth Power, Solar Beam. Little bit inflexible, but not necessarily wrong by any means.
Toedscruel I'd just drop. It's doing nothing here that Amoonguss isn't already doing.
Gholdengo is just exceptionally strange. You've got some speed on it, despite the other team pieces being Hard TR stuff. Either you're gonna want to rethink the team to take a different angle entirely, or you can just run Curse Mimikyu which will naturally substantially improve the Dondozo matchup and well as messing with things like SD/DD Baxcalibur quite nicely.
Amoonguss is weird. Games don't go on for long enough for Black Sludge to be better than Sitrus Berry. Poison is not the preferred Tera most of the time, with Water or Dark generally being nicer. Drop one of the attacks for Rage Powder, as that's kinda the point of using Amoonguss in the first place.

high path
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Ty for feedback

valid mesa
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you might not Tera Amoonguss

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but there's no reason you shouldn't have a good Tera type

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for when you might have to

high path
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True

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I will fix that

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Brb

plucky hinge
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valid mesa
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Something along these lines

high path
valid mesa
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Item can change to stuff like Goggles if you want

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It really depends. I wouldn't say you fit this on every hard TR team

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I think hard TR is generally just way way too inflexible

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Cause vs every team in the meta, your game is fully get TR or lose

high path
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I personally like tr rn since murkrow is annoying lol

valid mesa
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I like a little more flexibility, doing stuff like Tauros-W, Meowscarada, Baxcalibur, Volcarona with this thing is really good

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but on hard tr, you can probably make this work

high path
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Alr

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I'll try it and see how it goes

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My old team worked surprisingly well aside from fighting grimm screens while they had a spd tank having tera water

valid mesa
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plucky hinge
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Do any paradox mons work with rain?

valid mesa
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I don't see rain being a big thing going into S2

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Sand was very popular with the Paradoxes around

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But that's also down to Tyranitar having a good matchup into Chi-Yu

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What I would expect to see is a big uptick in the usage of Torkoal

high path
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What should I use as my 6th slot

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as Sun activates Protosynthesis

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I'd expect to see Pelipper usage remain fairly constant

high path
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I'm keeping fairy indedee for now

valid mesa
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As its a solid enough water type, okay speed control, but also steals the weather

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but I wouldn't expect many, if any, Swift Swimmers

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cause you're so prone to losing your weather

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Hard TR 6th slots can vary, Kingambit and Hariyama are okay attackers for the team

high path
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Alright, ty

valid mesa
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Generally prefer Water Gambit here

fair quail
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Hey Everyone! First time I have gotten into VGC. After a little bit of tweaking was able to get to Master Rank with this team. Any advice is appreciated. https://pokepast.es/c979b1ba32368d48

valid mesa
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Well it's definitely interesting

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So there's a couple things here that strike me as a bit weird:
the double water/flying doesn't seem really that good, idt you'd normally want to stack them even if the Jolteon is meant to be Volt Absorb
Jolteon itself is generally just not that great and if you do Tera it, Pelipper is nerfing its output and it's still weak to Gyarados' EQ so you basically turn that option off.
The Psyspam mode feels a little bit just tacked on. Not quite sure what you're trying to Imprison with the Indeedee if you're not running Trick Room on it. Drifblim can probably be alright but there's really nothing here taking proper advantage of Tailwind that doesn't require an extra turn of doing stuff to get everything on field.
Maybe you could try something like Eject Button Indeedee-F + Psyseed Drifblim with Wisp, Tailwind, Shadow Ball +1. Armarouge is likely alright, but I wouldn't run Specs as you're probably gonna run into some trouble with that. Feels like Garchomp would be a natural inclusion over the Gyarados on this team for the big EQ attacker that takes advantage of Drifblim having the immunity.

fair quail
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All good advice! Thanks it is just surprising how often that Jolteon would come in clutch on this team. Since Thunder can hit with the rain and when Terrad can output some good dmg with fighting Tera

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Never thought about the double flying issue

plucky hinge
spiral shale
winter gulch
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team kinda looks like you slapped on a bunch of attackers with no real synergy tbh

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You also only have one special attacker, I think you should consider another special attacker to not get walled by physically defensive mons

mint pilot
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for more sand synergy, but idk if its worth using over rough skin

winter gulch
# spiral shale https://pokepast.es/a3a83eeb80ae01b0

I think for this team, I would recommend assessing what each Pokemon does on the team, what role it plays, etc. While your team isn't inherently weak to anything upon first glance, I think you want to consider how each mon works together more. Your team also has no bulk, and I think you'll find that you'll be missing KOs and then getting KO'd yourself because of how linearly your team plays

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https://pokepast.es/483338e90148d295, hi can I get some advice for this team. The dragapult is eved to outspeed meowscarada by 1 point. The goldengo is eved to live specs gholdengo shadow ball and a bit of speed to out speed threatening mons when iron ball is tricked onto them.

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I’m thinking making dragapult clear body and adding sucker punch. But infiltrator is good on dondozo due to the rise in dragon Tera

plucky hinge
agile shell
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Riff on Neil's team with some modification based on what I'm seeing and shoehorning Bax in since I love icy ttar but at same time never really used hydregion since I have multiple forms of speed control and Bax pretty much covers what hyd was but adds a huge earthquake to mix

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So far amoongus has been ohko fodder or left out when they see all the ice and fire so I elected for more offensive items vs safety googles

winter gulch
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# agile shell https://pokepast.es/236d5c94412bef2c

I think the team is fine, I think Baxcalibur wants Ice Shard to pick up strong Priority KOs, I would remove Earthquake or DD. I think there are too many Ice Types and not enough Fire Type checks, I would honestly consider removing Cetitan or Baxalibur since their roles are quite similar (offensive Ice attacker)
I also don't see a Donzodo check or counter, which every team needs, I would probably remove one of the ice attackers to add something that threatens Dondozo. (Haze, Clear Smog, etc.)

slate echo
# winter gulch I like the team! Pult 100% wants Clear Body to avoid Intimidate. I think you cou...

Yeah, that’s the thing I struggle with the most is the dondozo matchup. I had clear smog for a while but then I ran into a lot of Tera steel dondozo so didn’t work out. But I did try the adamant pult but the extra bulk in the jolly set just makes so many match ups better, while there may be less damage the bulk just allows it to do a lot more then expected. Also thanks I will make sure to fix the rotom

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But any suggestions for dondozo would be great as it is my biggest struggle with the team

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I have been playing it and I’m stuck around the 1400-1600 range due to my weak answers to dondozo

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agile shell
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Ik having bax probably isn't optimal but I'm only bringing him in favorable matchups tbh which is more than hydregion so far, slush rush has been more consistent without the tailwind turn wasted but I kind of do want to run into dondozos to see how to handle it

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Neil said that he beat it with bulk up annihilape but haven't used in practice yet myself

agile shell
winter gulch
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I'd think pawmot would be good but that gives me two fighting types

winter gulch
agile shell
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But being able to use revival blessing to bring back someone plus having electric moves might be good

agile shell
winter gulch
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I'm one of his mods....

agile shell
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Makes it easy

winter gulch
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James also has Intimidate on Tauros which can be used to drop Dondozo's attack stat which is huge

agile shell
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Salamence might be a better tech then tbh if he still has access to tbolt

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Intimidate tbolt and mixed attacker

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Since I'm pretty physical as is

winter gulch
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I would just stick to Special Attacks on Salamence

agile shell
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I haven't checked him this gen to know what moves he gained/lost so I'd have to dig in more

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Then just choice specs him if that's his primary role?

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Tera electric tbolt with choice specs would actually hit pretty hard and I don't see many ground types

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Or have it be a spA set with tailwind🧐

winter gulch
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I would go with a SpA set with Tailwind, try it out, and see how it goes!

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Honestly Focus Energy Scope Lens Hydreigon is a simple Dondozo check that you could consider as well

agile shell
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Kinda like the mence idea since it gives me a little more variety tbh, electric coverage, a flying type with intimidate vs hydregion adding another dark

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Wouldn't be something to bring every game but a good tech ig

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What affects hurricane accuracy for mence if I wanted to add that? Does it increase in tailwind like snow and blizzard?

winter gulch
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Only Snow affects the accuracy of Hurricane

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sorry sun

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I need sleep

agile shell
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Sun ok

winter gulch
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Sun drops it to 50%, Rain boosts it to 100%

agile shell
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Oh rain is the one that boosts it kk

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Was thinking a flying move, tbolt, tailwind

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And dragon/fire move or some shit last slot

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I'd have to look at what he still has

winter gulch
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You still need a Dozo counter though

agile shell
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Yea that's why intimidate mence would fit better imo than kwat

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He's also sashed alot and abomasnow has it already

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Does dozo run equake at all? I've never played one but just seen wave crash and order up spam on utube

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Occasional dragon move

winter gulch
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Earthquake is quite common

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Order Up is a Dragon move...

agile shell
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So tera electric wouldn't be good since it grounds mence

winter gulch
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Crit Hydreigon is an option and isn't grounded

agile shell
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But fuck hydregion 😂 I kinda wanna try something less basic and try to make mence work even if it's less optimal in that one specific matchup

agile shell
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Lmk what Neil's thought process was with that tho @winter gulch I'll have to plug hydregion anyway since he's ready just need to swap moves vs battle prepare a bagon

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winter gulch
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@lost scroll I saw the team rate above, I'm just out of the house rn and cannot rate

lost scroll
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Is it just you for the miriad of us?

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and yuki

winter gulch
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Its mostly yuki and I

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lost scroll
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Thank you! What do you think about the synergies of the team? I believe that can be a weak spot. I never went through ALL the skills in the game to map out possible strong synergies and I believe that can be hurting my teambuilding

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For further context:

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I built this team with coverage of [Defense/Sp.Defense/Atk/Sp.Attack] and [Types] in mind.

valid mesa
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It seems okay, fairly basic synergies tend to be alright. But the problem is there's a lot of just alright stuff.

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Also your Band Meowscarada has Protect

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Going for Throat Spray Sylv with Yawn>Psyshock gives you more pressure on board. Rotom-W is better immediately than Palafin. Then Crit Hydreigon actually gives you a matchup vs Dondozo

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Which this really doesn't right now

safe wagon
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Tysm for the detailed feedback, reading you immediately made.me want to read more of your other players' teams analysis

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# safe wagon https://pokepast.es/2e8b15df03dc9991 This is a casual VGC team for battles with ...

Looks a lot like a singles approach to the game, given how many hazards I'm seeing. Hazards are just really bad in VGC, as games are so quick, there's a massive opportunity cost to actually getting them on the field and they're usually not doing enough for you in terms of damage as well.

Think you could potentially go for Life Orb Gholdengo, Band Tera Flying Dragonite, Glimmora can fit Spiky Shield (I actually quite like Mortal Spin cause it accidentally gives you an idea into Dondozo). I'd finish the team off with Rocky Helmet Support Volcarona, Goggles Tauros-W, and maybe like a Grimmsnarl

safe wagon
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yeah you're probably right there

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I still managed to get an almost 100% winrate against my friends with this team

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and i'm pretty much only gonna be playing vgc against friends

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Hey guys, I'm running an volt absorb/lightining rod team on VGC rn and wanna get some tips on what should I better myself, what do you guys think about this team?

https://pokepast.es/4e0f0f1a74ef5d12

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rich nest
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Rmt?

winter gulch
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RMT is "Rate My Team"

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I'll get to it later since I'm in a Student Council meeting rn worrywhirl

valid mesa
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I can almost certainly promise you that mono-Electric is just not gonna be that successful. Mono-anything is really not gonna do that great

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winter gulch
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Sing is very unreliable with its 55% accuracy

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I would not recommend running it on Skeledirge, especially since it has many good moves already

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Torch Song / Slack Off / Protect / Shadow Ball is the set I would recommend, maybe swapping a move if you plan on running Tera Blast

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Psyshock doesn't benefit Sylveon as much as other moves would

lost scroll
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Oh you meant that Yawn is better than Psyshock

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Ok ok understood now.

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So I was considering using some more desviation moves on Skeledirge as I wanted him to be tanky

winter gulch
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You can run Skeledirge with lower SpA if your goal is to be tanky

lost scroll
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Would that pokemon make sense that way? I was considering Amonguss or Volcarona

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But with Amonguss I'd feel short of fire-power, and I never used volcarona so ai'm not sure it'd work

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overall my main struggles are when the opponent is using a different weather, when they manage to make me not set up trick room, or when I simply don’t do too much dmg for some reason

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the rando flutter mane is sometimes led with torkoal to try to get some quick early kos, and can also set up a surprise trick room, tho idk how effective it is

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most of these EV spreads are pretty random lol

cursive mason
# versed root i suck at making teams, so I’d appreciate some suggestions on how to improve thi...

It’s early meta so I don’t have a great idea of what’s good in s2 but I’m not sure if mimikyu is the best option for tr here, the standard option is to use farigiraf since it provides protection against priority like fake out, the moveset is usually psyshock/hyper voice/trick room/filler with the item being safety goggles, mental herb, or throat spray. Mimikyu could very well be fine here I’m just skeptical. I’m fairly certain (still early meta) that slither wing is not good, and should probably be replaced, my first instinct is to replace it with kingambit with iron head/kowtow cleave/sucker punch/protect with Life orb as the item. Some smaller notes, regenerator is the better ability for amoong since it does actually switch out decently often and the option to recover health is always good, your dozo mu also looks a little iffy (although idk how prevalent it will be) maybe fit clear smog on amoonguss, I’m also a bit skeptical of trick room flutter mane but I can def see it working so if it’s working keep it.

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halcyon gale
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not sure on last, i wanted some kind of wide guard user to help vs gholdengo

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and to a lesser extent chomp

halcyon gale
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feels weak to other tr from testing

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made armor level 49 to underspeed FerroGrin

winter gulch
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You can't have Pokemon below Level 50 in VGC

versed root
# cursive mason It’s early meta so I don’t have a great idea of what’s good in s2 but I’m not su...

thx for the advice!

mimikyu is mainly bc it forces your opponent to double up on it or status/flinch it if you want to deny tr, which usually can’t happen if iron hands uses fake out on one of the opponents.

Honestly I haven’t seen much dozo, so I honestly am fine without having a easy counter. That said, I will consider clear smog if it becomes more relevant.

I’ll try the replacements though and see how they go. Btw, any ideas for how to better counter opposing torkoals?

winter gulch
# halcyon gale https://pokepast.es/3139189124aad0b5

I think the team is nice, Hard TR is very very very dependent on your getting TR up which isn't always the best. I don't like the type synergy very much, you have nothing resisting ground and you only have 1 protect which makes positioning quite difficult. Also your offensive type coverage is really redundant, and only having 1 mon to hit certain mons like Gholdengo is really scary. I would recommend swapping out Garganacl since it doens't exert much immediate offensive pressure or support, something you want on TR teams since you only have so many turns. I would add a couple protects onto the team, (Armarouge, the Garganacl replacement). I would also try to cut the psy spam down since that's relatively easy to counter with the amount of dark types we have rn. (Honestly I don't see what Iron Valiant does over Flutter Mane)

winter gulch
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always have multiple checks for Dozo

versed root
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ah

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okie

halcyon gale
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To me

winter gulch
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They take like 20 minutes and is never worth it

halcyon gale
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Ye it's true flutter is better

winter gulch
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Pray you win the Torkoal speed tie @versed root

halcyon gale
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I wanted to run some wide guard user for ghold that's why there's garg last

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What last over garg would u suggest

winter gulch
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btw I think Slither Wing is a bit unnecessary @versed root since Iron Hands and Torkoal already cover those STAB types

winter gulch
halcyon gale
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Smth for ghold?

versed root
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k

winter gulch
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If you swap to Flutter you could run another fast mon in that slot which lets you play a faster mode if you need to

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If you want something that checks Gholdengo, Kingambit is an option

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I almost said Ting-Lu ngl

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How has Garganacl been for you? I'm curious since I like Garganacl lol

halcyon gale
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Ye I put flutter

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Its been p well specially into tr but no id is iffy

winter gulch
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Yeah typically people run ID Body Press Recover Salt Cure or Wide GUard Recover Salt Cure Protect

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I'm trying to think of a good mon that would synergize well with your team

halcyon gale
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What kingambit set could work

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Cuz no life orb and no av

winter gulch
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I was thinking Flutter -> Sash, Kingambit gets Lorb

halcyon gale
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Oh true

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Kleave iron head tect

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And sucker?

winter gulch
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I'm thinking Hydreigon could also work there too

winter gulch
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With Defiant its really strong

halcyon gale
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Oo yeah

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What hydrei

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Crit set?

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Or like 3a tect

winter gulch
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I'm thinking crit set since they would help you tech for Dondozo better too

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halcyon gale
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Alrighty

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Ty I'll test it later

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This is my team for my local draft league (any suggestions would help 🙂

  • Maushold
  • Noivern
  • Quaquaval
  • Sylveon
  • Ursaring
  • Salazzle
  • Eelektross
  • Perrserker
  • Morgrem
  • Brambleghast
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sand minnow
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yall doubted my swing

static mountain
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why tera blast

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For this team: https://pokepast.es/95087f3278c912f0

  • Is Specs without Torkoal (or a Sunny Day user) good for Flutter Mane or do I replace it with Booster Energy?
  • Is Murkrow still good for Series 2 or do I need to use another Tailwind user? (no clue if Tatsugiri + Dondozo will still be common in Series 2)
  • I just copied the EVs of Farigiraf from the sample set on Showdown but I placed the remaining 4 EVs on Speed since this is meant to be a Trick Room stopper via Imprison. Is there a better EV spread?
  • Are the EVs on Annihilape good or not?

Any other constructive suggestions are helpful. Thanks

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halcyon gale
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Any other mons that could go over it?

winter gulch
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Are you looking for a faster mon or slower mon?

halcyon gale
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faster

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i talked to yuki about this team too

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i could make this a fast psyspam

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like without armor or tr

winter gulch
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yeah I 100% agree with what yuki said here

halcyon gale
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wdyt of

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scrapping armor

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for some fast psychi

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c

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and maybe smth else over hands?

winter gulch
halcyon gale
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yeah

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I think if we go with Torkoal we could do:
Torkoal/Hands/Indeedee/Flutter Mane/ +2
And I think you could look at some faster mons like Baxcalibur, Meowscarada, Hydreigon,

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You could also reasonably switch hands with Kingambit

halcyon gale
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Oh that sounds cool yeah

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I haven't used bax

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What does it do in s2

winter gulch
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Bax might be a bit worse in S2 compared to S1 but its quite bulky and has an insane attack stat (and Ice Shard)

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Oh I somehow forgot Annihilape

halcyon gale
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uhh

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amoong

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and what last

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halcyon gale
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wait no

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meow over it

winter gulch
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I think having Amoonguss, Indeedee, Torkoal, and a Physical TR sweeper adds too much TR

halcyon gale
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sash meow over amoong LO on flutter

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ye

winter gulch
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yes that's really solid

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i could go like

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av bax and some other item on gambit

winter gulch
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I think you could reasonably try Baxcalibur, Rotom, Arcanine

winter gulch
halcyon gale
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oh true

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dragon dance?

winter gulch
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Shard/Protect/Spear/Glaive Rush is what I've been seeing

halcyon gale
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Looks good! I might be a bit worried about the Flutter mirror so let me think about this one real quick

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With AV Gambit and TR you definitely have some counterplay though

halcyon gale
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kk

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I like Figy SD Shard on Bax, but it feels weird when you have psy terrain

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I'd probs just do Tera Water DD

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Keeps Steel resist

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Or Tera Fire

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Glaive Rush + Tera Blast

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Fairy resist for Flutter Mane

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I would run Tera Fire for Fairy and Steel resist

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I have had some success with this team, but since I swapped out mimikyu, Farigiraf has been getting one-shotted by opposing u-turns and sometimes close combats. Is there a way to help this, or do I just have to burn tera fairy when seeing opponent that use them?

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is it worth investing more evs into phys def btw?

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@winter gulch yea swapping weakness policy in for safety goggles on armorouge has paid off way bigger from Neil's team and I did finally get a dozo matchup this morning on cart and dominated it with hydregion

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Amorouge+indeedee along with the snow boys is almost an unbeatable speed control since you can just flip it whichever way you want

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Without wasting a turn for snow

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Funny how snow scares off dragons during team select I've seen garchomp and hydregion getting left behind as soon as they see the snow core😂

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# versed root I have had some success with this team, but since I swapped out mimikyu, Farigir...

Hmm idt it should be dying that easily, would def be worth investing more in physdef, there’s a spread on the analysis that is like 180/0/68/76/180/0 with quiet nature and it lives some notable stuff like ape gambit, specs make it rain, and sash meow knock off, although it’s old so it might not be as relevant, in some situations you will definitely have to Tera, but I’m not fully aware of what kind of situations those are

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What attacks specifically(like from what mons) are you having trouble with

winter gulch
# prime thunder https://pokepast.es/8a51095d0b910dca For the VGC series 1 or 2, I don't know if ...

Not a bad team, your Tera types shouldn't only be offensive, but also defensive. Sylveon wants Tera Fire to allow it to resist Steel types while gaining a strong offensive coverage type., same with Kingambit and Murkrow, they want to stick around longer and want a defensive Tera type, like Flying and Steel respectively. On Focus Sash Meowscarada, you generally want sucker punch, Sylveon wants Tera Blast or Quick Attack instead o Shadow ball, and Murkrow wants Eviolite

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In terms of type synergies, you don't have any fire resists in any capacity, especially problematic against teams with Torkoal (against the other fire types). You also have way too many redundant types (ghost and dark), I would suggest swapping out Kingambit for something that can resist fire and/or fairy.

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tho that was after i took some points from spdef

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at max spdef idk if it survives but maybe it does who knows

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So fire tera sylb

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sylv

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Steel gold

cursive mason
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Water annihilape

cursive mason
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252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 180 HP / 180 SpD Farigiraf in Sun: 190-225 (87.1 - 103.2%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

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And specs isn’t that common

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I’d also recommend goggles farigiraf here so that amoong can’t disrupt your TR setup

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https://pokepast.es/6eaa165b475ff6a1 not really good at teambuilding but attempted to make a gallade/gardevoir/scizor team just because theyre some of my favorite pokemon, got to Ultra Ball tier with it but I feel like it may be missing something, any advice?

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some things i struggle with are weakness policy psychic terrain tera psychic armarouge, tera fairy skeledirge, dragonite in general, and tera water palafin with rain

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but i feel like my team could have counters to all of those, im just not noticing

winter gulch
# sand minnow https://pokepast.es/c46ad0a6a8da96e6 series 2 team. Thoughts?

Very interesting Roaring Moon set, most people run Booster Energy + Dark, Dragon, Flying STAB. which hits quite hard. This team seems incredibly Hyper Offensive (which isn't necessarily bad) , but it has quite little room for error. Overall really solid team, I'd definitely try it out on ladder to see if you have any problems. I think your TR matchup might be a bit tough, maybe Taunt on Talonflame could help that (again, try it out on ladder and let me know how it feels!)

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haha that's life as an HO player

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I’ll slap taunt on talonflame and maybe swap imprison and tr for mystical fire and protect or keep em?

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wait where's the Imprison TR?

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With imprison instead of moonblast

winter gulch
# buoyant zodiac actually https://pokepast.es/46645d9e2083035d is my actual team, had to change m...

Not a bad team for Garde and Gallade, could be improved a lot more though! Not sure what TR Imprison is for on your team. You generally want your Tera to be defensive on Kingambit so you live more stuff, such as your Torkoal MU, I would try Tera Water on Kingambit. Leftovers is too passive on Garchomp, won't be useful in such a short game. I would try Lorb, Clear Amulet, or a recovery berry. Scizor doesn't get as much use from Amulet as you would probably hope, maybe go for Occa .
You also have no particularly value speed control on your team, which is crucial in doubles. I would actually consider swapping the items on Gardevoir and Gallade, Scarf Garde has Icy Wind (which helps your whole team) and can hit quite hard with its Fairy and Psychic coverage. You could also consider swapping Kingambit out for something like Murkrow for Tailwind+Haze and a Dondozo counter (which you need to fix your team to have). I like the synergy with Chomp, Rotom, and Gardevoir, I've used it before and its quite fun!

winter gulch
sand minnow
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I'm generally seen Sash Bundle but you have that on Flutter rn, you could also consider Life Orb (AV works too if you want)

sand minnow
winter gulch
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Oh I'm stupid

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Acrobatics is typically with Tera Flying

sand minnow
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Right

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I forgot

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Mb

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I think its solid, try it out and let me know what you think!

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Alr

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# winter gulch Not a bad team for Garde and Gallade, could be improved a lot more though! Not s...

appreciate the help a ton! i would also like to say that imprison is on my team to deal with trick room teams, as i enter a match and dictate whether or not i want to set up a trick room, allow my opponent to set up a trick room, or block my opponent from setting up trick room (when i made this team i was in a rank where farigiraf, oranguru, and trick room indeedee/armarouge were super common). its worked really well for me so far, which has been my main source of speed control ever since. this is also why i dont want to remove sash from garde, as i need her to at least survive the first round to allow me to set up trick room/imprison

i will be trying out occa berry scizor, the clear amulet never really helped me and i used to use occa berry scizor, idk why i switched lol

ill probably also switch the item on garchomp, probably also to clear amulet to beat intimidate

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i also really like tera water for kingambit, the whole reason why i had tera dark was to guarantee a one shot on gholdengo with sucker punch before he can get a make it rain off

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but since i have black glasses on i dont think the dark tera is necessary

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so far scarfed gallade sacred sword has been my dondozo counter since it ignores defensive buffs

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its kinda goofy but its helped me win games lmfao

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i also have life orb thunderbolts with rotom which always does good damage

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https://pokepast.es/6e5c13f95087cf34
I'm looking to prepare for series 2 and looking to compete on a regional level. Stuck in a few spots (Roaring Moon EVs and the 6th mon) Any thoughts on the team as a whole?

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winter gulch
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Is this supposed to be a semiroom team?

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Torkoal should always be min Speed to tie opposing Torkoal in TR

sand minnow
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theres no room on it (yet)

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but they have sash meow so they could always stick room on that and have another tr mon in the 6th slot

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On second thought, I assume its HO with Torkoal to activate Proto

sand minnow
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you can still have that on semiroom

woven rose
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I wasn't going for a semiroom team. Torkoal is here for proto and amoongus is here for support. They have the bulk to not need to have to go first. Works for semiroom tho lol

sand minnow
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swing or bonnet

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you have like no speed control tho tbh so u should probs get some

woven rose
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tailwind on roaring

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wasn't sure if that was a good decision tho

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I don't think Torkoal is needed to be honest

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it doesn't fir your fast-paced team and you already have Booster energy

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I think Roaring Moon could run 3 attacks + Protect and you can add a Murkrow for prankster tailwind support

winter gulch
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What is the idea behind your team?

fleet axle
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uhhhh

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trick room arboliva

winter gulch
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Hawlucha's terrain gimmick is kinda inconsistent and doesn't work that great with TR?

fleet axle
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and then haw

winter gulch
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But you're in TR

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Hmm how do I phrase it

fleet axle
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yeah by the time i bring out hawlucha tr wears off or has 1 turn left

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but the general idea behind this team is getting the most use out of arboliva lol

winter gulch
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Hmm I guess the best way to say it is that your team doesn't really do the fast mode or slow mode well

fleet axle
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any way i can improve it

winter gulch
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I think we can work off of the Arboliva TR core for sure

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I'm just not sure what Grassy Terrain can be used for tbh

fleet axle
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pretty much just grassy seed lol

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that and passive recovery

winter gulch
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You could consider Arboliva without forcing a grassy seed, Hawlucha isn't strong and doesn't really use its speed for much so I would replace that

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let's try to go for a fast and slow mode with this team

fleet axle
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alrightt

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i lead arboliva with spiritomb since it works better than hatterene lol

winter gulch
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Hatterene with that moveset is too passive and doesn't do anything, I would change it for a more offensive set (Dazzling/Psychic/TR/+1) or just use a different mon (Kingambit, Torkoal)

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We can replace hawlucha with another fast Pokemon such as Meowscarada (which could benefit from Grassy Terrain I guess)

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I would replace Hippowdown with Tyranitar as well, Hippowdown doesn't do much that Tyranitar can't do better (except Yawn which you aren't really using anyways)

fleet axle
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alright

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i can use torkoal and tyranitar for weather control

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and give arboliva weather ball lol

winter gulch
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that could be interesting

fleet axle
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should i make arboliva - speed

winter gulch
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yes

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same with Torkoal

sand minnow
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i think harvest arboliva could be interesting with smth like petaya

winter gulch
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I think your team is a bit weak to Fairy now, let me rethink this

fleet axle
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only like one pokemon on my team uses grassy terrain anyway

sand minnow
woven rose
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Harvest has good synergy with Drought

sand minnow
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yeah exactly

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arboliva koal tr setter what else

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paradox?

fleet axle
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brute bonnet maybe

sand minnow
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bonnet and swing are the best tr past paradoxes yeah

winter gulch
fleet axle
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i was thinking a chlorophyll mon

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lol

winter gulch
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I agree that your team is quite Flutter weak so I'm rethinking it

sand minnow
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chloro on tr kinda goofy but you can have a non tr mode

winter gulch
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but Murkrow 100% benefits your team since its so Hyper Offensive

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Also Meowscarada wants Protect so you can position it more easily

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and you already have two fire weak mons on a sun team

fleet axle
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i like slither wing

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it looks hilarious

sand minnow
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unless you want your paradox to be tusk which is worrywhirl

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The problem is that the combo of Fairy Ghost is an incredibly strong offensive pairing, its hard for a single pokemon to counter both. Gholdengo pairs well with Murkrow btw

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IT STANDS UP THATS ADORABLE

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I swear Brute Bonnet has its attack that high so you can't get a Proto speed boost

woven rose
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@winter gulch what about talonflame for tailwind? Gale wings?

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I also don't think forcing paradox onto your team is a good idea, while paradox mons are quite strong, its not something you need to force onto a team, many S1 teams do well in Series 2 as well

winter gulch
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nah, murk gets haze

winter gulch
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Murkrow is my choice on this team since you can clear Gholdengo's stat drops while acting as a Dozo check

woven rose
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good for dondozo

fleet axle
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i didnt know what to give torkoal so i just gave it eject button

sand minnow
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i went 9-1 with swing sunroom lol

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and im that guy who normally wins like 40% of the time

fleet axle
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generally koal uses charcoal

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Torkoal @ Charcoal
Ability: Drought
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe

  • Eruption
  • Heat Wave
  • Earth Power
  • Protect
woven rose
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I feel like koal would still be good for my team because it sets sun for proto

sand minnow
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tbh sun proto is lowkey gimmicky

winter gulch
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yeah i posted the normal koal set

winter gulch
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But go for it if that's what you like, let me know how it works

woven rose
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does bonnet get basically the same as amoong

winter gulch
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It loses its better defensive typing and regenerator

woven rose
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i mean moves and evs

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EVs would probably be different since their roles are slightly different

winter gulch
fleet axle
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i forget that im not playing singles

winter gulch
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Protect is really important for positioning and stuff, I would remove a non-STAB move on Slither Wings for Protect, and add Flare Blitz on it (or whatever fire move it gets). I would swap out Body Press on Houndstone for Protect.

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Tera bug is also AWFUL, it doens't offer anything really since Bug is such a bad offensive type

fleet axle
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i forgot to switch the tera type LOL i usually tera normal

winter gulch
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*well its not awful offensively, it could be better but its bad defensively

fleet axle
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i might give life orb to slither wing

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but what would i give houndstone

woven rose
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bonnet is throwing me off because I want it for support but I don't want it to be useless

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Idt you should really bother with both Bonnet and Meowscarada

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not sure on hands

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Probably best to just take a leaf out of DOU's book. Jugulis, Palafin, a bulkier Pelipper. I quite like Sylveon on Rain, because it just helps it hard beat Annihilape screens. Otherwise you can use the Flutter or even Gholdengo. Amoonguss I'm never so hot on, because Rain is sorta super aggressive by design, and it can be a slight momentum sink.

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i was thinking about sylv too yeah

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i could do uh

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sash meow over amoong

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and throat spray sylv over flutter?

valid mesa
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Could do Meow could do Tsareena

halcyon gale
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oh

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i forgot tsareena was in the game

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ngl

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what tsareena set

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scarf?

valid mesa
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AV or Sitrus

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Last couple of slots you just commit to Dozo, but Yawn Sylv is pretty alright for it

halcyon gale
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so

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no hands

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?

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I wouldn't go for hands on Rain, doesn't really help you a great deal overall I'd say

halcyon gale
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and then what last again?

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nvm im stupid

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could i go like kingambit

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hell even like

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scizor?

valid mesa
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Kingambit doesn't seem awful. I'd probably try out a Ground so you have an elec immune, or just something to punish Dozo

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hmm kk

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id say lorb on swing but thats taken so u should probs use another dmg boosting item

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Gonna need a little work:
Arboliva and Spiritomb are just generally not good enough Pokemon to make work consistently.
The Sand and Sun modes seem to trip over each other a bunch, and I think you're gonna struggle using the Houndstone cause the rest of this team is so desperate to get into TR. Houndstone is also just not the best Sand Rusher, Lycanroc is clear of it.
I think you could do something with the idea of Slither Sun. Trying something like AV Slither Wing, Torkoal, Flutter Mane, Lilligant/Jumpluff for Chlorophyll (depends if you want Tailwind for a faster idea or not) and then just a couple slots to fix matchups (Dondozo matchup in particular will need some help)

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ive already build swing sunroom and its extremely good but yeah

fleet axle
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sun for rain teams and sand for sun teams

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other than those the sun is just a fun little bonus for weather ball

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and for solar beam

valid mesa
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I'd say just do one well, rather than doing both kinda meh. Cause you start gating yourself out of consistent modes and brings

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then i think i can do with a sun team with arboliva lead

valid mesa
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I wouldn't use Arboliva

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valid mesa
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Not using Fake Out on Hands?

sand minnow
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oh i actually did change that and didnt update the paste lol

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well spotted

valid mesa
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Also not using Flutter Mane is sad

sand minnow
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its kinda goofy on tr

valid mesa
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It's sunroom

sand minnow
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and there isnt rly a slot for it

valid mesa
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You don't need to gate yourself into TR with Sun, cause often it means the only good TR piece is the Torkoal

sand minnow
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theyre all good in tr wym

valid mesa
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And you also start not running Roaring Moon, Flutter Mane, Great Tusk

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TR Flutter is legit, because you can afford to be bulky on Sun anyway and that's enough to underspeed relevant things

sand minnow
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even minspeed flutter mane only underspeeds like 3 mons

valid mesa
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It's probably also worth mentioning your Meowscarada is missing 120 EVs

sand minnow
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wtf

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idk why it is in the paste, its not like that in my teambuilder lol

valid mesa
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And Torkoal can be made really irrelevant because it only has Eruption for Fire move, and you really want consistency

sand minnow
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sand minnow
valid mesa
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You don't just get to click Eruption all game vs most players

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yeah i generally click it one or two times and then ep is enough

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i prefer smog to beat dozo

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cus my team isnt great into it

valid mesa
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Not having Fire move consistency feels super mid

sand minnow
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its worked out so far but yeah imma change it the moment i need to use heat wave in a game

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for now i dont have to be scared of tatsudozo

valid mesa
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I mean, you still kinda do. Really depends on what Dozo you face

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I wouldn't jump to using Clear Smog Torkoal as one of my main ways through Dozo if I can help it

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how does dozo beat smog koal

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That’s the thing

sand minnow
valid mesa
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Attrition, or just spamming EQ, or Fissure, or Wave Crash

sand minnow
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It doesn’t

valid mesa
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They're gonna get through it

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I wouldn't say it's the most consistent way through, is all

sand minnow
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ofc there is my meow but relying on that is worrywhirl

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My team really struggles against opposing TR teams

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can I change my team to make it better or do I just have to play better

cursive mason
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I think you just have to play better but I’m not sure, what problems are you having when you face other TR teams?

versed root
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indeedee + armarouge is annoying

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especially if indeedee has tera fairy and safety goggles

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and arma has flash fire

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I mean, using mono-electric it almost doesn't matter what you do, would at least run a Rotom over the Pikachu. Just running the best Electrics would be a start. But Discharge spam is basically all you've got, and then Rotom can be used to beat Chomp and the Grasses.

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This is for competitive teams, we're really gonna struggle to make it competitive

worldly bane
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Anyone have a good palafin team?

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I wanna use him

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And all I know is he’s good with pelliper and choice band jet punch is op

winter gulch
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This is a team that placed 3rd at the most recent San Diego regional

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Its quite solid for Series 2 as well, I've had multiple friends use it in Series 2 with success

worldly bane
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Thx

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And specially oranguru

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Not to mention that hound looks random asf

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I'm thinking Sash Breloom

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fleet axle
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im not getting it

sand minnow
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oranguru learns bulldoze

fleet axle
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oh

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i didnt bother using it because arboliva has a gnarly 39 base speed

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plus i gave it room service already

sand minnow
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bellibolt can hold a weakness policy

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and also get its ability activated by bulldoze

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and bellibolt looks fucking hilarious so youve got me sold on the idea

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exactly what i want thank you

sand minnow
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yeah i made a team with it a while back

fleet axle
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now i have 4 special attackers which doesnt sound good

sand minnow
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bellibolt gets shit for coverage so i found weather ball was really good cus you can swap in abom whenever you need to nuke a ground type

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arboliva torkoal bronzong houndstone

sand minnow
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ngl

fleet axle
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i just put houndstone there because its fairly slow and it gets last respects

sand minnow
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you should only build around one shitmon at a time

fleet axle
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trust me im shit at team building

sand minnow
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theyre all cool tr mons but i think having them all together sounds like ass

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apart from koal ofc that guy is insane

fleet axle
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solar beam weather ball arboliva with sunny day helping hand bronzong gives me life

halcyon gale
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the team seems kinda

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weird

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idk

fleet axle
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yes

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it looks weird as hell

halcyon gale
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hound is p bad

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zong is outclassed

fleet axle
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what should i use in place for zong

halcyon gale
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i do think zong is a fun idea to test but maybe a diff team

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oranguru is usually not worth it

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well tr usually prefers

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indeedee, armor or farigira

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f

fleet axle
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wait

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i can work with farigiraf

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u probably should do like

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armor > zong

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indeedee over hound

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something fast like flutter over oranguru

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and whatever last

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some special wall

winter gulch
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need to finish some work first

halcyon gale
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Oh yeah @winter gulch do you have a goggles rotom heat set n spread

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When u can

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https://pokepast.es/6c0dd63c84bfc0d1 still missing my last pokemon, Tsareena thinking on the mukrows, dragonite(update replace Tsareena instead iron hands to help set up trick room.)

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cursive mason
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But overall looks pretty good

winter gulch
# halcyon gale https://pokepast.es/7701118b799f6a06

Interesting team, I'm not sure how I feel about AV Flutter Mane. You don't really have any speed control besides TR which kinda gives you problems against TW and TR which isn't great. Btw I think Parabolic Charge hits your ally as well which is something kinda iffy to me.

halcyon gale
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Oh it does?

winter gulch
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Also your Flutter Mane mirror and Dondozo MUs are a bit iffy

halcyon gale
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I wasn't sure on av flutter there I just wanted smth faster

sand minnow
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bungle

halcyon gale
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Actually bundle > flutter

sand minnow
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see im so smart

winter gulch
sand minnow
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houndstone is cool on tr i ran it w room service final gambit ape

halcyon gale
winter gulch
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I feel like Body Press Iron defense TR Bronzing might be an idea btw

sand minnow
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can ape beat both flutter and dozo?

halcyon gale
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Over what

sand minnow
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idk you were just weak to those mons

winter gulch
halcyon gale
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Actually wdyt of

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Tork > rotom

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With clear smog

winter gulch
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Ooh that's an interesting idea

sand minnow
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mfw i got pissed on like yesterday for using smog koal

winter gulch
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Iron Bundle is probably better than Gyarados too

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Since it's faster than Flutter Mane and is strong + Icy Wind speed control

winter gulch
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I had a team with that and I don't think I ever clicked it against Dozo since it was just kinda hard to use

sand minnow
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yeah i had a meow too

winter gulch
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I was also considering Meow on that team @halcyon gale

halcyon gale
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ye actually bundle works

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what bundle set

winter gulch
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Sash Bundle with max speed EVs and nature

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Icy Wind, Protect, Hydro Pump, Freeze Dry

halcyon gale
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kk

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and then what do i do about the

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flutter problem

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im thinking i could also do like

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an av fire

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and whatever last like meow should work

winter gulch
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The more I look at your team, the more O think Annihilate doesn't fit it

halcyon gale
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mm

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then

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what over it

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also do i go band meow

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here

winter gulch
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You could try a redirector to help you get TR up consistently + support your pre-existing mons to help them live longer

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I am currently trying to rework the team, one sec

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I'm looking at this but it still seems too weak to Dondozo

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(I forgot about Tera types lol but its meant to just be an idea)

cursive mason
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Gambit ape is alright into it tho

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Even though gambit doesn’t kill it takes a big chunk of its health

sand minnow
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gambit ape is good into it tbh

sand minnow
cursive mason
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Well if it’s a rest set

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Also obv depends on investment

sand minnow
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im pretty sure that ape set is meant for ou but yeah seems decent enough

winter gulch
sand minnow
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hydra can be a dozo counter too

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is the moveset I made for hydreigon good for it?

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nah, it has to use focus energy scope lens

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thats an actual thing people have been doing

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cus crits hit through stat boosts

winter gulch
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I think the set you're using rn is fine, the team as is doesn't have that Dozo check you need

sand minnow
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I'll consider focus energy, but I'll lose my tailwind

winter gulch
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Yeah that's true

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How are you managing Dondozo right now?

sand minnow
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I have yet to run into one for Series 2

winter gulch
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Let me know how it feels when you encounter one since that match up looks really bad for you lol

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But besides that I think the team is good

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Also opposing Torkoals are a problem too, I would suggest a more defensive Tera on Kingambits to help you live opposing Eruptions

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(actually ghost is fine)

sand minnow
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it was either Ghost or Fire

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Ghost to block any fighting moves and fire to better live an Eruption + immunity from burns

winter gulch
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Let's try Fire first, and see how that works out

sand minnow
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How's this for Hydreigon:
Hydreigon @ Scope Lens
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Focus Energy
  • Draco Meteor
  • Hydro Pump
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if I tera fire and Draco Meteor misses, it'll die to Wave Crash

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and Tera Water is so that I still get resistance from opposing Torkoal

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now I'm worried about lack of speed control

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I still think I'm better off using Murkrow

winter gulch
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I would recommend Heat Wave for threats like Gholdengo

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Yeah I'm a bit worried about your speed control, especially since you have Kingambits and Torkoal who are both incredibly slow

sand minnow
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so tera fire still?

winter gulch
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On which pokemon

sand minnow
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hydreigon

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idk if I should sacrifice protect for tailwind

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halcyon gale
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ape has worked ok but i could drop it

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cursive mason
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Probably run tailwind on roaring moon over rock slide, and replace ice punch with wild charge on iron hands

sand minnow
cursive mason
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Oh why did you get rid of amoong?

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Now you’re a little weak to dozo

sand minnow
cursive mason
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Swap out garg for amoong prob, although maybe it works as it is now idk

sand minnow
lost phoenix
halcyon gale
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looks good, maybe a bit weak to tera fire hydrei tho?

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potentially

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@cursive mason

sand minnow
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Cause levitate + pure electric means no weaknesses

vocal raptor
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Not finished trying to think of what else to add

ocean hare
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I would like to keep at least one between Clodsire or Slowbro but I'm really struggling (I started playing VGC three days ago be kind with me 🥲 )

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Also ty in advance

winter gulch
winter gulch
# lost phoenix https://pokepast.es/56f09242163d60c8

nice synergies, your team lacks any sort of speed control which makes your team incredibly hard to position well. I think you could try Icy Wind > Thunderbolt on Gardevoir. Also Tera Dragon and Water on Rotom and Garde seem quite random and don't add much, I would consider steel/fire on Gardevoir and Electric on Rotom. Also you can consider running Discharge on Rotom if you want

halcyon gale
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Body Press Iron Defense Garg isn't bad (I like it), but I think its a bit overshadowed by Protect/Wide Guard/Salt Cure / Recover Garg now

halcyon gale
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I've been testing the team, worked rlly well

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But I think I'd rather have like something for tr over ape

winter gulch
# ocean hare I would like to keep at least one between Clodsire or Slowbro but I'm really str...

We can definitely work with this, its a nice hybrid-ish team you have. Clodsire is way too passive and doesn't really do anything with that set, if I'm playing against that set I would just start 2v1ing the other mon, I would swap the moveset on it entirely or change it to a new Pokemon (Like you could go Special Attacker with dual stabs Protect +1)
Your TR core isn't exerting enough immediate offensive pressure which is something you want to do since you only have 4 turns to work with, Slowbro fits more on a team that doesn't depend on TR to work (but has the option to use it)
I like the Meowscarada, I would swap U-turn for Sucker Punch to pick up some priority KOs. Other than that, looks fine! Make sure you still have a Dozo counter once you swap things up

winter gulch
vocal raptor
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The pinned messages has the VGCPastes repository which has a TON of teams, definitely a lot of Garganacl there too

halcyon gale
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Yee vgc pastes always the go to for building teams with mons u don't know how go use

vocal raptor
halcyon gale
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How to*

halcyon gale
winter gulch
halcyon gale
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Minecraft mon

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<<< salt mon / NaCl

winter gulch
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I think Naclstack is more minecraft than Garganacl

halcyon gale
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Yeah but then again I can't like

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Punish ape more

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Than tera blast tera fire ape could

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Since only 2.5 mons do smth to it

winter gulch
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wait what are you looking again? SOrry I didn't quite understand

halcyon gale
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Oops I meant

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Punish amoong

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I've been writing mon named mixed up all day

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I feel like amoong is only punished by 2 and meow (sometimes if it's chipped)

winter gulch
vocal raptor
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Yeah definitely try Goggles if you're worried about that, I think that could be helpful for your team @halcyon gale

halcyon gale
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Kk

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Also I guess I can do

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Goggles gambit

winter gulch
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You could also run Guts Flame Orb Hariyama if you want but I generally like hands more

winter gulch
halcyon gale
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I think I'll do hands tho

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What set

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Stabs ice punch fake out?

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Or like wide guard

winter gulch
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Hands actually doesn't get Wide Guard

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Fake Out|Stabs|Protect/Ice Punch

halcyon gale
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Scam

winter gulch
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ikr

halcyon gale
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Hari gets access to every support move there is and hands gets

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Fake out

winter gulch
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I guess they had to balance it out somehow lol

halcyon gale
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Yea true if it got more it'd be broken

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Also it lost feint wyf

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Wtf

agile shell
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ok im over ice team @winter gulch

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got to ultra ball and those two seem to limit team flexibility too much and cetitan seems to get everythign to deep red but lacks the balls to KO

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abomasnow turns into suicide lead and im getting capped by string cheese, kingambit or ice spinning dragonite teams when indeedee comes out

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definitely thinking about adding tauros

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water

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swapped hydregion to fire tera since he gets taken out a little too easily rn and fire would resist the steel and fairy spread moves that chip him a ton

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kinda wanna try the ttar/lycanrock or gravehound stuff with sand as a mix in

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but might need a whole new team for that rn i need to figure out one more poke to have sideswapped with cetitan

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prob i see with tauros is he literally cant even tickle string cheese man tho

sand minnow
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winter gulch
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oh it actually pings now

lost phoenix
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Oh LOL

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Didnt realize sry

normal stream
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is that s1 or s2

lost phoenix
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S1

novel otter
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id recc fairy croc and steel shroom teras

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mono volt rotom has always felt awkward to me, you will probably appreciate tbolt more

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looks p solid tho

ocean hare
winter gulch
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What I'm saying is that Slowbro doesn't necessarily need to be in Trick Room to function at its full capacity, especially since Slowbro doesn't exert much immediate offensive pressure

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I think the moveset you have is fine

ocean hare
fleet axle
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problem: the entire team gets countered by farigiraf, ceruledge and skeledirge pathetic

valid mesa
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I really don't get the point of the rain stuff cause you struggle to put an actual fast mode together.

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I'd probably pick one weather, and do it properly. Doing Rain via Jugulis, Palafin, Pelipper can work. Doing Sunroom with Torkoal, Flutter, Farigiraf, Hands and such can work. Doing both means you're probably doing neither extremely well

sand minnow
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if you like using shitmons swing is honestly pretty good on both sun and rain

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different sets ofc

fleet axle
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honestly i got stuck in the oranguru-arboliva-torkoal groove when i made this team so to make up for that i just put another weather

valid mesa
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I'd say just do one weather well. You're gonna find higher up the ladder, Arboliva and Oranguru are just inferior Pokemon to the likes of Lilligant, sometimes Brute Bonnet, Scream Tail, Mimikyu

valid mesa
sand minnow
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well it does def have a niche but its also just funny to use if you enjoy less viable pokemon

vapid lynx
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winter gulch
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I'll get to it in 1.5 horus if nobody else has done it

vapid lynx
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okay!

versed root
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im no expert, but your scream tail has 4 attack evs even though you don’t have a physical attack

vapid lynx
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OH yeah

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i was running psychic fangs before

winter gulch
# vapid lynx hey guys!! i'm currently fine-tuning a brutebonnet team rn, i'd love any suggest...

This is a really interesting team, a lot of things can be fixed:
You want a defense or special defense boosting nature on Scream Tail
You generally want an extra fire STAB option on Torkoal, I would remove SOlar Beam since Brute Bonnet covers Grass, which you need to add a Grass STAB on brute Bonnet for stronger offensive pressure
Iron Bundle 10000000% wants Freeze Dry over Flip Turn, especially if you are running Booster Energy
Your Gholdengo EV spread isn't really built for Recover, I would run Protect to pivoting around and positioning
I would also run a Psychic move over Shadow Ball on Farigiraf

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In terms of the team overall, they don't synergize too well and it seems like you can't decide what speed control you want to primarily focus on

vapid lynx
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Hm, I really thought it was putting in work tbh. thanks for letting me know! do you have any mon recommendations or better alternatives for building a brute bonnet team?

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and tbh i copied farig straight from pikalytics so i’m not too proud of it haha

mint pilot
winter gulch
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Toedscruel doesn't really help in the TR matchup, it kinda just gets farmed by Torkoal as well. You also don't have any Gholdengo resist which is a big of a problem as it snowballs quite quickly.
I think Arcanine could help your team out, offers good resistances to TOrkoal and Gholdengo while being good Intimidate support

halcyon gale
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@winter gulch the team has felt a bit weak to hands, + i havent even used k9 like at all
suggestions?

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halcyon gale
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this team, ofc

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oop my bad i forgot it pinged :c

main plaza
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🏓

halcyon gale
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you're not welcome thank

main plaza
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wow

halcyon gale
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😄

normal stream
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dont think the bulldoze bellibolt meme is worth your tiem

halcyon gale
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debating tera psychic + blast on belli to be honest but i feel like electric is better for output

normal stream
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youre better off using actual mons

gleaming edge
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https://pokepast.es/186caa30e4993eb0 I feel like I need a change but idk I've tested and built so many teams and this one works but idk not all the time sadly but I cant tell if its me or the team lmao

halcyon gale
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i guess but it's been pretty good

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its just kinda weak to hands but belli underspeeds hands in tr

normal stream
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yes it wins u a game like half the time at 1.2k on ladder but that is also expected and its not consistent by any means

normal stream
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sunny day amoong is wack af u dont need it

gleaming edge
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Oki

normal stream
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also whyre u tera dragon dragon tail moon

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moon is bad if youre tera dragon might as well click outrage if anything

gleaming edge
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Ah

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So I should change tera on moon and get rid of sunny day on amoong

normal stream
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honestly all things considered i just dont know what this team is doing

gleaming edge
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Idk I was just trying to build something different

normal stream
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4 attacks lycan is weird

gleaming edge
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Ah

normal stream
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i mean ive seen dusk on ladder like once or twice but

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idt 4 atks is the play i think it needs sash

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uh tect

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and then your maus

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its trying to do too many things at once

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i have no idea why out of everything

gleaming edge
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Ah I guess I'm not good as thought lmao

normal stream
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the only thing that doesnt need protect

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is running it

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while everything esle that needs protect

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doesnt have it

gleaming edge
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Ah lol I see

normal stream
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scarf pult seems uh interesting but its a very niche booster bundle check at best

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the rest of the team i just dont know whats going on

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i could go into specifics but like at this point i think you know that this team is just a salad of random things

gleaming edge
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OK well I'll attempt to do another and see how that rate goes

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It do be ngl

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Eh

halcyon gale
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why is there a frosmoth

gleaming edge
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Idk 😦

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Wide guard

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I'm not the great at team.building

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WHat would u put instead

winter gulch
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haha the pings are actually effective

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just ping me if something still needs rating

gleaming edge
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@winter gulch can u help meh

winter gulch
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which team?

gleaming edge
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The one I just posted I wanna build a team around flutter and Arcanine

winter gulch
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that should be easy, let me take a look

gleaming edge
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Oh god apparently not :/

winter gulch
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Arcanine and Flutter are both very solid pokemon, shouldn't be too hard to create something that's good is what I mean eeveon1Hehe

gleaming edge
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Oh fair enough worrywhirl

winter gulch
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What you have now isn't bad, I think it could be fixed up a bit though (mostly the sets)

gleaming edge
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Ok

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I feel like tera normal would be better on the dogo

winter gulch
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yes that is correct

mint pilot
winter gulch
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ok here is the updated paste: https://pokepast.es/2e7bfcb30ab64869
I changed Iron head -> Wild Charge to hit water, Tera Normal for ESpeed
Volt Switch -> Tbolt on Rotom because forcing a pivot after moving imo isn't always the best + you get extra damage
Annihilape I complete changed around since the current set is kinda really weird + you have the Maushold synergy already for the Beat Up Rage Fist combo
I changed your Maushold to be more supportive as it would help Frosmoth and Annihilape get their boosts @gleaming edge

winter gulch
gleaming edge
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Ty I appreciate it I will give it a try

winter gulch
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Normally I would go with Figy Arcanine with Flare Blitz/ESpeed/Protect/Wisp but I think Band is ok too

gleaming edge
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I really like to be offensive a lot of the time that's why I banded the pup

mint pilot
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or i can find a use for a paradox mon in series 2

mossy vault
winter gulch
mint pilot
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i already have AV on ttar :/

mint pilot
winter gulch
# mossy vault https://pokepast.es/e2b0f003029bd16a singles player tryinhg to pick up vgc to be...

The Pokemon themselves aren't bad, but the sets themselves could be worked on a lot more, as many of them are mixed (you almost never want to go mixed) and aren't running Protect (a super duper important move for doubles and positioning). You also have way too many overlapping types that don't complement each other enough to make up for their shared weaknesses (no ghost, dark, only 1 fairy/fire/fighting resist, etc.)
There's quite a bit that can be improved so I would suggest trying some rental teams to see how many of the good teams are built! There's the VGCPastes repository (pinned) and a snow team that did well recently:https://pokepast.es/236f88e8055b0802

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I can do a quick fix of your team if you want though

mossy vault
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none of mine are mixed but point taken on the type overlap. ill take a qucik fix sure, a coiple of these mons were just thrown on to fill slots tbh

winter gulch
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ah my bad, I must have saw something wrong lol

winter gulch
winter gulch
mossy vault
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ty

gleaming edge
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Can't tell if I'm not using my team right but sheesh I be getting pooped on

gleaming edge
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A team someone gave me

winter gulch
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Looks decent, I would replace Gengar with Flutter Mane and remove Ice Beam and Flip Turn for Hydro Pump and Icy Wind

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I would also remove either Bullet Punch or Thunder Punch for protect on Hariyama

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Also Murkrow with no haze is really interesting, I would consider adding it over Protect depending on your Dondozo counter

gleaming edge
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Poor gengar

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Oki

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WOuld I run scarf on the flutter or ?

vocal raptor
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https://pokepast.es/638d35e5de01f6f9 I have no ideas for EVS right now. Might replace either gyara or Gengar for a sylveon, these movesets are not final, and this is ingame so i have limited resources

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tired tangle
winter gulch
# prime thunder https://pokepast.es/638d35e5de01f6f9 I have no ideas for EVS right now. Might re...

Generallys speaking for EVs I just pull some online or use 252/252/4 unless you need to be EV'd for a cirtain calc (which you figure out by playing the team)
Assuming your Meowscarada is running Band, I would go Knock Off > Night Slash
Tera Blast and WP are quite inconsistent on Kingambit, I would go Kowtow Cleave and Safety Goggles
Gengar wants Sludge Bomb for an extra STAB option, TTar probably wants AV and another coverage move, Mimikyu wants Play Rough over Protect since it already has Disguise to help it out (and so it exerts more offensive pressure)
You could replace Gyarados with Sylveon

winter gulch
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There's a big repository full of rental teams pinned in the comments

tired tangle
prime thunder
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nvm, it's lvl 52

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winter gulch
# harsh sierra https://pokepast.es/814787e0ee439b7a how is this sun team

The mons are decent, the synergy is there. Some of the sets don't make sense or are suboptimal so let's fix that!
Lilligant wants Sash and After You, then you can make Torkoal Erupt first doing a ton of damage. I would also use Leaf Storm over those Grass STAB options
Torkoal wants Charcoal as it will increase the Eruption output, something important for TR mons and the After You synergy. WP Armarouge makes like no sense here, I would give it an item like Life Orb with that set.
I would run Psychic over Imprison or Protect on Indeedee, that way Indeedee has a bit of damage output when it doesn't need to support
You could also consider running Life Orb or Roaring Moon if you want

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I honestly forgot after you existed so that is an immediate yes but I have an issue with attack recoil but it isnt a huge problem. I normally dont use trick room unless completely necassary (Armarouge completely outsped and Indeedee is still there) so i only kept eruption bc i didnt know what else to put. Maybe it wont need rock bc most double battles dont last 8-10 turns. LOrb works for armarouge and is probably better than WP bc it only sometimes lives. However I like the idea of orb moon because amulet has never acrivated. Also do you have another armarouge spread for EV's or is this one fine bc speed issues have wrecked me with and without TR. @winter gulch (Sorry for the big block of text.)

winter gulch
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Since you don't have any speed control optione besides TR I would actually go min speed Armarouge

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but max speed also works

hidden path
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im new to VGC

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i think i did decent

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i use this team for doubles ou and VGC

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worked well so far

valid mesa
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DOU and VGC are very different metas rn to start with. I find double weather to be inconsistent, so I'd focus on doing one really well rather than both below average.
Scream Tail is fine for fast support, even with Trick Room, but you really can never get it slow enough. Using it, I prefer seeing Psychic Fangs, TR, Encore, + filler. Psychic Seed makes zero sense cause you don't have Psychic Terrain.
Sand is kinda pointless if you want to go the semi-room way, because Tyranitar being max Speed and Houndstone existing with Sand on the team means you're never really able to bring it on the TR mode. Makes the team extremely linear.
If you keep the Sun mode, add Lilligant over Breloom. Utilises Sun very well, After You for Torkoal is just very nice.
Mimikyu without Trick Room is kinda weird for Sunroom stuff, but also Curse Swords Dance is probably just a weird set cause having so much HP taken then trying to click SD is tough, and if you Tera anyway Curse boosts attack.
Torkoal should just have Earth Power>Bulldoze. Its output also just sucks cause it has no offensive investment at all.
If I'm going Sunroom, I would probably recommend Torkoal, Lilligant, Flutter Mane, Farigiraf and then something to help the TR mode like a Tera Steel Iron Hands or a Kingambit. Last slot can be something like a Great Tusk or Roaring Moon, I suppose

hidden path
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alright, ty

hidden path
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also power bracer on screamtail is fine right?

valid mesa
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Wide Lens, Sash.

hidden path
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k

valid mesa
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Power Bracer doesn't really make enough sense because you're never really going to be slower enough. Think at min Spe it hits 52, which doesn't even underspend min Spe Hands

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If I'm running it, I just run Sitrus

hidden path
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aight

hidden path
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cuz disguise

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doesnt look like a bad team per se but theres also just like

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no reason for pelipper to be here

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opposing bundles are also a huge problem esp booster energy variants

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and as far as rain goes this looks a bit passive i feel

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u have 2 very fat pivots in amoong and hands but the output of the rest of the team just isnt there

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so it feels like a lot of times you might end up in a place where youre struggling to deal damage even when you have momentum

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opposing iron hands are also super annoying for you

placid vigil
drifting onyxBOT
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normal stream
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no idea which direction your team is heading

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is this for s1 or s2

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also ape gets broken rage fist youd never run shadow claw on it

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also youre not running the moves scarf ape should be running

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like gambit and u turn

placid vigil
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S1 sorry

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I’ll update apes moves thanks

burnt osprey
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I think overall the sets are good, I would remove Rest from GOodra and add a coverage move such as sludge bomb, hydro pump, flamrethrower, ice veam, etc.
I'm not quite sure what Pelliper is doing here since nobody is directly benefitting from the rain. If you want to use the rain more effectively Palafin or Drednaw are good users.
Also Gengar being your only Dondozo check is very scary since Rain helps Dondozo steamroll through your team, I would suggest running Meowscarada over Tsareena to help you that extra damage (Also Meowscarada is just a better Grass attacker since you aren't really weak to priority)
I would run Tera Fire on Sylveon so you have more defense longevity

burnt osprey
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Pelliper is there bc I’m trying to take advantage of hydration in Goodra so that’s why he has rest as well

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https://pokepast.es/5c5e196e0faa70f4 im experimenting a lot rn, i really dont know what to use for my team except for the fact i want the lycanroc/tyranitar base because it works most of the time

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winter gulch
winter gulch
mint pilot
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we dont talk about it doom

winter gulch
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don't worry all of our teams are like this

main plaza
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Not mine

winter gulch
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wow ok

main plaza
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The sand team seems aight to me

winter gulch
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Yeah I would say that too

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seems a bit weak to Earthquake and Chomp though