Monotype Rates

[red flare]

Thanks bro, the most recent changes I made so far has been winning me games but if, I make a new flying mono will for sure keep it in mind

[south copper]

Goat 🐐 feel free to come back if you need more help !

[red flare]

https://pokepast.es/c1ec7f8463c1ae95 grass SV mono, first time running grass mono in SV. Team looks solid but really just looking at what I can do for future tourneys and good comp

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[red flare]

I gotcha

[south copper]

I’ll have to open my builder for this one for sure

Lmfao aboma grass this will be fun

[glacial skiff]

If you're looking to do good in SV period.
Drop Grass.

[south copper]

Also the tour part yeah u will go 2-10

Despite how good ur team is

☠️

But h lilli has a complicated flying win condition

Just gotta unlock it and sort of catch Enam too but

[glacial skiff]

While this is probably a fine enough Grass (You need Oger-H/C so I would probably drop Rilla or Aboma) Grass sadly has very few goood things going for it and is entirely religated to a CTeam type.

And its not even consistent as a CTeam type.

I'm still suffering from MPL where we somehow loaded Grass into one of the only two bug loads of the tour.

[red flare]

Yeah I was thinking it was HAHAA

[red flare]

BRO 😭😭 give it a chance, I can make it relevant again

[south copper]

I’ll help u edit something when I go back in but it’s def super spotty I just think if u w with it just take it and leave it because monotype already saw that deviation

[south copper]

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[red flare]

Ohhhhh I gotcha bro thanks

[red flare]

😂😂 elite ball knowledge

Team cap

[glacial skiff]

Goodluck Kiru, I am not in the mindset for Grass tonight.

[red flare]

Damn that sucks actually, in older gens I feel like it was more relevant

[south copper]

Grass is natures fundamental , I’ll get Cilan from Striatan City to procrastinate if anything GOES WRONG

https://tenor.com/view/cilan-pokémon-gif-24116991

[glacial skiff]

Grass was never really that relevant but it could always kind of fish decently.

[south copper]

Simisage grass (winless)

[red flare]

Ouuu I understand lol

[glacial skiff]

But in SV with how the meta is shaping up, its struggling to do that well.

[stable zinc]

Grass stopped being worth using once mega venusaur left (only applies to gen 6 and 7 anyway) but grass is lacking that and ferrothorn so it's gonna struggle a lot plus its fundamental issues are compounded even more this gen when dragon fire flying are so prominent

It has good individual mons though

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/381417f8ffc5962a bugs for life

[red flare]

Yeah I gotchu, that make sense 😭 they got too many freaking weaknesses and resistants

[south copper]

are u bulding this in the sv mono tab btw lol

[red flare]

Yes sir lol

[south copper]

hm tbh

aboma sucks ass

like its a ice niche because ice doesnt have any oppression or defensive ins outside of cuno to prim but like its so choppy becuz ur already against pgem flutter mane

ur best off with just running serp, the reality is if u do get a sequence up against certain mons u can actually have a win condition against things with grassy glide mons / qd h-lilligant / even sinis can be nice in certain positioning but in reality

when water is not being loaded and fire is being suspect tested rn

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sv-monotype-suspect-12-midnight-sun-heat-rock-suspect-test.3773273/unread u pretty much accept ur loss

people rn are debating whether heat rock should go and from grass pov in tour play u just accept ur loss but also the nature of grass having a rly low win rate + sun + ceruledge + ogerpon-hf ..but ur only glimpse chance is oggerpon-rockpon but then ur giving up steel, poison, bug (suprisingly winnable)

lots of words but aboma is super niche and if u want screens just serp, you can do sd + cc + knock + glide / taunt

i

hell if u need momentum on such a choppy style too its all just

finding a win condition that makes sense into the meta

lilli-h is a complicated one too and meow is typically ran so its like u want everything but u need to piece the roles together on the right arcthetype

meow>bramble and just dropping the spikes seems fine too.. kasib bramble seems nice tho for grass teams or any berry ..it dies to everything so like i think just trading something due to the nature of the typing and / or aggresivvely taking position

(in long words you need to understand how dragon, fly, etc operates) on a competitive level

to fully exploit grass and also recognize its not a good load typically

unless u deviate and then once u W u take it run and never load it again until 10 years

or u will lose

[red flare]

Let me read this rq lol

Yooo you mind sending the sets on Pokepaste? I don’t mind using serp at all it lowkey flew over my head actually

[south copper]

ill finish building it sure

[red flare]

Lilligant is good now? 😭

BRO I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD SEE THE DAY

[red flare]

Ohhh I understand bro I was actually testing against in Sv mono and I fought a fire mono, surprisingly I was able to put up a solid fight but geezus Christ I have to use so much brain power.

It’s really more of challenging myself if that makes sense. I know there isn’t a lot of win cons to beat the grass weaknesses

[south copper]

cba running rillaboom unless i have it nowadays

or just a core

[red flare]

Cba?

[south copper]

https://pokepast.es/b099a440c7b2cd6d i build lili-grass off the logic of being able to be recklessly oppressive of just living a ohko, u can slow pivot rilla typically if rocks are up or even just sleep whatever mon, screens also helps u with positioning

taunt rude+glide oger is an alternative

gl :3

[south copper]

gmm

Araquanid @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Bubble
Tera Type: Ground
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

• Iron Defense
• Liquidation
• Infestation
• Rest

delete this and never use it ever in life it was just for gouging fire cope

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-raging-bolt-raging-bolt-legendary-gif-3968137584514793965

this thing is too oppressive the value of just webs / endeavor / custap whatever hell even spa sets (anything but this pmuch)

felt like when bug was just getting peak more bolts just comes around to run this id ara day and ur alr getting dtailed from hoodra

[red flare]

Thanks bro! I will let you know where I peak at 💯 by the end of the month

[south copper]

well honestly u could just do a more offensive araq like specs/band/mystic water/av

since u have ribombee

[waxen tapir]

is yanmega good switch?

[south copper]

i typically wouldnt interchange them

I kinda dislike that mon but it does tinted lens damage but it feels like Lokix already in a way so idk if the cook is cooking rn

[red flare]

https://pokepast.es/ad60df414291943e Monotype Rock for SM, was thinking able to replacing NIHLEGO with tyrantrum because of more coverage. Feel like the movesets are good but let me know if I can edit anything else

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[glacial skiff]

Uhh...
Hopefully someone that knows how gen 7 rock works appears eventually.

Granted not running Nihilego seems like such a throw.

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[frozen hornet]

I’d suggest taking off Tyrantrum as it gets outclassed more by Nihilego which runs good coverage like Bolt Beam (HP Ice) for Lando-T that can be choice scarfed, and Meteor Beam shenanigans can turn it into a +1 speed per kill mon

Plus having better fairy threats helps

As you are already a bit fairy weak

Remember when building unless you have better wall breaking potential and have the opportunity cost to run mons that are able to hold their own to a shared weakness, then go for it

But this rock is scared to fight Tapu Bulu + Tapu Fini 2 notorious issues

Always outweigh the pros and cons of what the team can check

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/6952fa41912f06ea

[glacial skiff]

Its good, but there are a few issues here.
The Primarina set isn't great since you want Torrent with Psychic Noise and Surf far more than Liquiod Voice + Hyper voice as right now it is completely walled by Clodsire, Amoonguss, and Toxapex.

Same for Azumarill, you don't really need Liquidation but really want Knock Off to OHKO Amoonguss and have the chance to OHKO Toxapex (Guarteed after a layer of Spikes)

Flutter prefers PGem > Mystical fire as most Steel-types are generally Scared enough of Shadow Ball (with Heatran, Hisuian Goodra, and Empoleon much preferring Mystical Fire > SBall) anyway and its really nice for breaking through Fire-types.

Lasty for Valiant, I would go CC, Knock, Ice Punch, and then either Trick or Destiny Bond. You've got enough Fairy STAB as it is and Spirit Break isn't really gonna help much.

Either that or go mixed with CC, Moonblast, Ice Punch, TBolt (252 Atk, 4 Spa, 252 Spe Naive) with either an Expert Belt or Life Orb.

[waxen tapir]

I'll just switch spirit break with trick or destiny bond, a scarfer is needed for other unexpected scarfers and some speed control, also generally a choiced stab shadow ball should be able to tire holes in anything but Ig power gem is good to make sure they're dead, also is psyshock good on flutter?

[glacial skiff]

There is only two targets you really need to hit with Psyshock in Blissey and Clodsire while Pgem is super nice for cleaning through Fire-types like Volcarona and Oger-H along with preventing ATales from getting up Veil.

And like Blissey isn't taking that much from Psyshock and you have an Iron Valiant, Azumarill and Hatterene whom can also handle it while Clodsire is either hard balling to Alolan Muk or generally is overwhelmed by Fairy's onslaught that it breaks.

[south copper]

nihi>trum fs ya, u can test oma/barb/rhy in exchange of crad slot too

the former two are usually air balloon

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/b9f439d3db891e1c
poison bulky offense

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[tepid warren]

the weakness berries arent good

you'd get much more value by removing iron moth, adding toxapex, making sneasler scarf, and giving weezing black sludge and amoonguss boots / black sludge

i think the slowking set could be changed to be some kind of flamethrower / thunderbolt / ice beam type thing

[south copper]

shuca glowking is one if u rly want one so you can actually beam a lando, maybe can test a +spa variant because itll come down to that trade most of the times as gliscors are just flat out running max spd for the specs moth trend (not a suprise anymore)

rather just a standard set

[vivid gate]

Excadrill…

[south copper]

cm>chilly, u want momentum u can just button something like amoon its alr super passive and make deviations, i believe poison needs to find win conditions and in public tours the deviations diffrentiate ive seen pexlexx, like x4-5 balloon spam, etc

excadrill doesnt run mold breaker here usually but its kinda oh as is , ur best bet is runnign an air balloon user just for a midground but like

u can look at thee usage stats and see that sec

[tepid warren]

toxapex resists iron head, weezing immune to eq

mold breaker excadrill is uncommon yea but as it stands you kinda just lose to one with a scarf

[south copper]

it doesnt directly imply but treads is ranked 10 ranks higher| 21 | Iron Treads | 8.58356% | 10402 | 4.034% | 7827 | 3.996% | kinda hinting its for one archetype (sand ground) because iron treads has value with ice spinner +knock

samples teams hints it a lot more tho

[vivid gate]

Ok

[spiral kernel]

https://pokepast.es/c59389d0cb1fd485 if my team good?

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[south copper]

Gm!

[south copper]

U can’t run two Megas , audino sucks, and most of these are on the wrong deviation and to say in a very nice way the composition overall is unviable

You need things like ditto staraptor Chansey/bliss to start off

Ursaluna with guts and (or) terapagoes, your z slot starting off can be like conversation pory to have a nice win condition vs psychic with shadow ball or flying with boltbeam

Lax / touc has niches though just the sets here and usually they are never together

There’s like heliolisk and toucannon isn’t winning fighting , starap is way better utility atp

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/af082e4a8029a1d7

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[frozen hornet]

Hiya!

[glacial skiff]

You've got nearly all the pieces for a good rock, but its lacking some important parts.

[frozen hornet]

You don’t neee Kleavor on Rock as you already have a dedicated Rocker with Glimmora.

[glacial skiff]

Big note, Iron Boulder NEEDS to be Choice Scarf on Rock.

[frozen hornet]

Change Boulder to Scarf and add Arcanine Hisui with Heavy Duty Boots

To help vs Steel, Grass, and Steel Flyers

[glacial skiff]

As its the only thing Rock has faster than Choice scrafers like Meowscarada, Greninja, and Sneasler.

[waxen tapir]

Well damn that was fast, ok then

[glacial skiff]

Ogerpon-C also wants Superpower > Knock Off, While your now struggling into, its much better at breaking Steel-types overall, notably actually removing Archaludon.

Also EBall > Power Gem on Glimmora, that anti Ground/Water coverage is nice.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/7807b1781b74ea52 better?

[glacial skiff]

Ye.

[waxen tapir]

I find a problem in same monotype teams is that it sometimes kinda limited and also in some situations you really can't do much, you can prepare for that specific match up but still generally if you have bad luck and always run to straight up bad matchups you can barely do anything about it

[glacial skiff]

Generally types that really struggle with this are on the lower end of viability.

But around half the types can realistically build to at the very worst, have a functional matchup, into the entire metagame.

[waxen tapir]

ye still kinda sad that some types are simply not good enough for the meta

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/10b484ab68fe45fa
What Mon should I swap to fight against raging bolt and wellspring.

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[tepid warren]

Those two will always be tough but Swampert should be good against bolt

Oherpon will always be tough as well but toxapex should be ok, could also use your own ogerpon to try and get ahead of theirs

[vivid gate]

Ok that’s all I should do right?

[red flare]

https://pokepast.es/db64ddbaef4bc95c anyway I can improve this bug monotype team?

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[stable zinc]

Go night slash > aerial.ace on kleavor

Dual wingbeat scizor is an option too over knock if you want to target fighting

[red flare]

May do that actually, aight gotchu thanks bro

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/b6478e88add9bcd6

[south copper]

GMM

[south copper]

i overheard @lusty anvil mentioning someone claiming koes with specs araq so u can consider a offensive araq set like specs / slither wing > forretress. this mon feels super passive sometimes but "galvantula" on paper is meant to "imrpove water and flying" and araq with beam/giga/stab can poke on paper at corviknight? 252+ SpA Choice Specs Water Bubble Araquanid Surf vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Corviknight: 307-363 (76.7 - 90.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery. CB Slither Wing surprisingly can supar damage thresholds with Flare Blitz (notably for Skarmory/Gholdengo). Typically people won't fall for it if there experienced but the fundamental of it forcing a swap (u can advance gameplay and u-turn) , its moreso picking mus to improve. Also Lokix needs Leech Life for Longevity (or a more straightward set within mainly your primary atk being is U-turn (or at least a less harmful item or like this set on the smogon dex im abt to link:)

i think scizor profits a lot more off just things blowing up, i look at bug like a popcorn style, super frails , kleavor gonna u-turn usually and if u rly need the pivot keep the forre but want to share some other options to (switching deviations seems like the best approach for bug)

[south copper]

colbur sinis for samu-hi mu, ppl running samu-h+gren u can cm and take a trade

on water

or just colbur pecha tbh

lefties is nice but u should consider the water mu at minimum when building ghost with a grass

[red flare]

BRO I JUST SAW THIS

Let me read it rq

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/7254b65583c3b268
Hazard stack dark

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[glacial skiff]

Needs more Knock Off.
With only Sableye providing Knock off support any type that can handle Sab isn't gonna be too scared of your hazard output.

I think dropping Darkrai for AV Hoopa-U could help to somewhat fix this issue.

Also if going offensive on Bisharp, its better to at the very least run Black Glasses so Bisharp's sucker punch OHKOs Flutter Mane after a singular layer.

[vivid gate]

But I got zero hazard removal

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, Dark really just tries to get around this issue by just being offensive and hoping its enough.

If you wanted more security into hazards, you could try running a core of Ting, Sab, Samu-H, Meow (with Knock > TPunch), Gren, and possibly NP Hydreigon?

[vivid gate]

Ok

https://pokepast.es/0d1ac978f5841fcc

Is it better now?

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, that should work better.

Oh yeah, Naive > Hasty on Gren.
Most priority in the tier is physical so making gren worse into that isn't ideal.

[vivid gate]

Ok

[rich garnet]

https://pokepast.es/b499a1d3dc8041d4

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[rich garnet]

https://pokepast.es/20399e83c93d3186

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[lusty anvil]

sup can you tell me what was the purpose / thought process of this team??

[rich garnet]

I'm playing a mono tournament in a game so i was just asking for rate is this good?

[lusty anvil]

ya im not sure whats allowed in the game, as these rates are just for rating teams for monotype / ndm metagame format on PokemonShowdown!

[rich garnet]

Oh okay

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/9461f596fa73bda8

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[stable zinc]

Your corv should always be defog no removal flying is never a good idea. If you wanted a defensive setup wincon, you could go iron defence skarmory but flying doesn't really need those sort of wincons

You should also add iron head on corv so it can actually beat flutter mane

[red flare]

https://pokepast.es/513f4ab1045d34dd SM fighting monotype trying to figure out if this team is good or needs any adjustments to improve?

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[south copper]

cham is banned , mega gallade > , z kommo is better usually

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/e72724f05c9e4384
Fun team I want to play Primarina

[tepid warren]

resist berries bad, you’d get more value using leftovers or boots on hatterene, expert belt or life orb on iron valiant, and although it isn’t holding a berry rn you should use specs flutter mane

@vivid gate

[red flare]

Fr? 😭😭 since when? Okay I gotchu

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/3bf618801d0c5861

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[frozen hornet]

Team looks good! Though I suggest removing pert if you already have gastro

Just slap on Greninja to use Sludge Wave for Ogerpon

Other than that team looks magnificen

[vivid gate]

But I lost rock if I remove pert

[dark jungle]

rocks > knock on emp maybe?

[south copper]

What u building around

Maybe av mirror flip so u can have a consistent bolt in (specs tears stall up hard potentially) or just the dry kyu , ppl or mainly Cee(known water stall player) typically uses something offensive like Greninja or walking wake as last over pert so

Overall the slot is flex

But I agree with irys u can rocks the empo as @dark jungle mentioned

[autumn sundial]

https://pokepast.es/351527352b81fdf2

Hi, im playing a tourney with my friends without legendaries, im playing mono fairy and im trying to figure out what would be the last spot since i can use any mon of any type in this slot

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[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/9400d1128ca34775

[lusty anvil]

hi hi you can just go more offensive route with like a pult or go a defensive route like corviknight

[lusty anvil]

honestly this type as a whole is shit so pop off i prob would do stealth rock compression on your scarf shocks over like t bolt

[autumn sundial]

i see ty!

[autumn sundial]

do you think i need to change anything in this team?

[lusty anvil]

no overall the team is solid

yeah i prob do corviknight for entry hazard removal support and slow pivoting.

[autumn sundial]

so would be the defog u-turn set right?

[lusty anvil]

can be whatchu need tho for move set tbh

but defog roost is a must

b press / brave brid / iron head / u turn

up to u

[autumn sundial]

https://pokepast.es/ae629f5dfbb5fdc4

something like this?

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[south copper]

GM

[lusty anvil]

ya

[south copper]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-card-car-bitches-gas-gif-7486124

[lusty anvil]

yeah haha wildcard

[autumn sundial]

Ty

helped a lot

[lusty anvil]

im glad, and goodluck in your matches

[autumn sundial]

[lusty anvil]

if like you gotta take some hits on the special side with corvi

you can do like EVs: 252 HP / 112 Def / 144 SpD
Careful Nature

helps with specs mane's shadow balls

while still boppin things with b press

[autumn sundial]

im taking notes

[buoyant hinge]

is this team good? https://pokepast.es/a12e45c8eae51bcf

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[buoyant hinge]

mono normal btw (also replaced shed tail with rapid spin)

[glacial skiff]

Going off the Mega Lopunny this is natdex. And by Natdex Normal standard this team isn't good. For a Natdex Normal HO it would prefer to run Webs Smeragle with a bunch of proper offensive breakers.

[buoyant hinge]

I see, should I try replacing cyclizar or maushold?

[glacial skiff]

Both.

[buoyant hinge]

okey doke

[glacial skiff]

Realistically, the sample team should just lead you in the path that would you want to go for this: https://pokepast.es/6794a8f8e65324c1

[buoyant hinge]

https://pokepast.es/089f92b6f86d2108 is this alright? I like more bulky stuff so I picked snorlax instead

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[buoyant hinge]

oh mb set it in the wrong format

[glacial skiff]

Snorlax isn't good, on Webs HO you really want mons that can break straight away and lax doesn't really do that.

Lax is just bad in general, needing 5~7 business days to start posing a real threat while lacking Blissey/P2's walling capabilities.

[buoyant hinge]

so snorlax off, blissey on?

[glacial skiff]

If going webs, no.

You would benefit far more from a Conversion Porygon-Z.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/ee5edb2d426675d4

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[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/8f70270b6b397c05
Funny fire type team

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glacial skiff]

Just use the sample, please.
https://pokepast.es/44e3576c5e07346f

[vivid gate]

I want to defeat barraskewda and excadrill with bulky ogerpon set

Or it have another way to beat that two?

[glacial skiff]

If you can manage to win the weather wars, Oger beats Barra and Drill.

And yeah you beat Barra now, congrats. You don't beat water though at all.

Pex still just slaps you with Toxic and once they realize you're a bulky Oger, they're not going to be as scared with stuff like SD Urshifu-R/Samurott-H.

Same goes for Ground, you tank Excadrill's Rock Slide (unless they flinch with Rock Slide) but you struggle far more to break stuff like Garchomp, Hippo, and Landorus now just causes major issues.

[vivid gate]

Ok

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/9d66bfeed3a3054f

[glacial skiff]

I think you should run just Flame orb luna as that ends up from my experience more consistent.
You're missing 4 HP EVs on Blissey.
And U-Turn > Hyper Voice on Zoro-H (I also personally like Scarf > Specs on Zoro)

[south copper]

hwish blissey is also nice for bu luna teams, if u do this u can opt for like wisp+specs/sppoky plate/wise glasses (just non specs so u understand better) zoro

and we can drop ice on luna so it can break steel tbh , kinda needs to poke skarm/corvi still (wise glasses zoro honestly eases this up even more)

hwish also comes in at some pt and allows u to get another opening to in this regard

[south copper]

How does dondozo feel? You could try like basculgeuion , you should always have a fairy or z haze on water teams as a backbone to check z kommo

[south copper]

Even dozo can get taunted so fini, if you are prim water z , having something abrasive like basc z in rain but just for starters I notice you wanna have some consistency or a defensive backbone , dondozo , but dondozo falls short on most rain comps just due to it being more profitable on stall. If you are having problems with breaks then z haze is an amazing teammate

If you opt in for z haze you can do like specs prim/cm fini - or even gren. But also water deviations tends to run eject button pex or even deviating to eject button pelipper . Or even choice scarf pelipper! But that was only due to often times just having to deviate your variations. So rain water teams is pretty straightforward with a kommo-z in the tier and it looks like you have some good teammates but I just wanted to highlight dondozo and although it’s a pretty sick mon it’s recognizing what’s best for the archetype. Hey you don’t even have damp rock 8 turns rain so it’s also ok to include other speed control options

Also mega Altaria is in this tier you probably do need the z ice yeah

Kingdra / basculgeion / fairy consideration esp

Having a fighting for the steel dragons is great too but overall it will have short ends , hell even samu,you also need hazards somewhere yeah

[waxen tapir]

that took me 2 minutes to read, I see your point but other then a choice band set I don't see basculgeion doing that much of damage without last respects, Ig I can switch dozo with tapu fini

[waxen tapir]

actually do you think barraskewda should be good?

[south copper]

the special basc

barra is fine ya

[south copper]

National Dex Monotype Premier Replays:

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nationaldexmonotype-826591 Likely Roar Empoleon + Opting on Hurricane Peli -> Swampert-Mega/Keldeo sequence for Kommo with Keldeo as Z
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nationaldexmonotype-826321 Button Pex + Toxic Empo + CB Urshifu
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nationaldexmonotype-830321 Balance Water approach I went to jsut have a consistent mu but just fell short to flinch at the end
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9nationaldexmonotype-835368 Fat Manaphy can do ok into Kommo also

on a global level ppl arent running it that much tbh

@ barra because its meant to creep raichu-a and idk ghost has more of a fat apparoch with spec banned

so u rly creep a lot of stuff

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/6051df32d1a49cf4
Any suggestions? I can’t find an offense knock off user

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glacial skiff]

Poison lacks any offensive Knock off users outside of Choice Scarf Okidogi.

This team also just doesn't look that great.
Notable flaws I see right out the gate are:
No offensive pressure: Bulk Up Okidogi isn't really that great by itself and will still fail to pressure a ton of types, espessically since this set loses to a lot of threats.
No Water resist easily getting you ran over by offensive Water-types like Urshifu-R and Rain as a whole.
No Speed: Poison, even most bulkier teams, generally want something that is reasonably fast to handle some stuff.

[vivid gate]

What should I do then?

[glacial skiff]

Don't bother trying to build hazard stack with Poison. Its not that great overall since it doesn't really solve any of Poison's problem MUs and doesn't help too much into Poison's winning ones.

[vivid gate]

Ok

[glacial skiff]

Okidogi would probably be better off being Scarf Dogi or a Sneasler set to give something that is fast.

Pecharunt wants Hex > Shadow Ball on Nasty plot sets to pair with the status spreading of Mag chain + the rest of Poison.

EQ > Sludge Bomb on Glowking since it enables it to actually chunk Heatran and is a decent tool to actually whack Goodra-H, CM Raging Bolt, and AMuk with if you need to do so with Glowking.

I would probably also run Pex > Clodsire, I'm not a big fan of Clodsire personally and itemless Toxapex gives a solid check into Ceruledge and some gameplan into Water spam.

[vivid gate]

That’s all I need to change right?

https://pokepast.es/1675a9a369f380d2
Is it look better now?

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, that looks better.

Actually...
Run TSpikes > Toxic on Toxapex and put Rocky Helmet on it.
Go Itemless on runt.
Throat Chop > Switcheroo on Sneasler.

[dark jungle]

ceruledge my behated

[gloomy vapor]

Shuca berry is an option as well to trade with lando-I which is very much worth it vs ground but up to you

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/eb58b3519880ed96

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glacial skiff]

Make Dragapult the Scarfer and Latios choice specs.

As most of the common scarfers/setup threats get the jump on latios at +1 anyway, pult is better at handling them.

[quasi rock]

I would hazard against using scarf pult

You really dont need it as much anymore with H.Goo and Arch

Scarf latios is fine ifff you can get some priorities somewhere

Like using Raging bolt over Hydrei

[vivid gate]

Uhhh lost dark and ghost resist

[glacial skiff]

You could Kommo-O then?

[quasi rock]

Kommy is fine too

[vivid gate]

So what all change should I do?

[quasi rock]

Which is your core btw

Because dragons are arch hoodra pult +3

Which do you wanna keep off those remaining 3

[glacial skiff]

With one of those three being a ground immunity.

[vivid gate]

Sword dance chomp

[quasi rock]

Those 3 guys are actually good, but they overlap roles like Komm+ Chomp roughly handle the same stuff

If you want

You can do sd chomp + scarf rm + a flying dude (Latios)

Roaring moon is fast enough to not really need prio (and sd chomp also boosts speed)

Flying dudes can be other dudes, like dragonite, but since Garchomp is SD you dont really need a second guy doing that

Hydreigon isnt great with chomper since you double down on the steel mu (and help with fly), but now you're ultraweak to fighting

Technically Air Balloon Arch is a ground immune but the number of pairings you would do with that is limited

But its something you can also consider

(Using Balloon Arch opens up for the last slot not being a levitater, but someone good into ground...which is like Kyurem or a Hydrapple (lol))

[vivid gate]

So I need to change hydreigon to scarf rm
Make latios other item
right?

[quasi rock]

Yea

Thats a option

[vivid gate]

But if I able to change anything what should I change?

[quasi rock]

Depends

The 3 slots can be any combo of mons

Komm Latios Dragonite
Raging Bolt Kyurem Roaring Moon (loses to steel)
Walking Wake Garchomp Latios
Raging Bolt Garchomp Latias
Kyurem Garchomp Roaring Moon
Etc...

[vivid gate]

Ok

[vivid gate]

If I use chomp flying dude rm core I will ultra weak to fighting?

[quasi rock]

Nope as long as fly dude isnt hydrei
But still likely losing to fight

[vivid gate]

Ok

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/850a2412dcdd46b5

[south copper]

Gmmm

This looks pretty straight forward honestly , scarf Val and pgem flutter is nice , primarina not having surf means ur having to go into azu or Val ; two mons that heavily need a good positioning id say vs steel without surf prim

If you change the perspective however psychic noise is like for clodsire, nice I would def always maybe consider this if i didn’t have a hat also but i think balloon or wp hatt gives you a nice edge vs ground - i like to just have consistency nowadays and these 6 are fine; prim can run a billion sets ; val can also run balloon? I’ve seen azick use it somewhere ; its just resource management and on paper cb eq is annoying and derails your positioning (factor that’s uncontrollable but if acknowledged you can even out that abrasive slate) - so balloon or just having clod promter wp have mfire giga or trick room cm or tr 3 atks or keep your nuzzle run 3 attacks. In ou hatt runs quite a few sets to rly deviate turns and its still an abrasive tier also but mono fairy just rly isn’t ran as much due to steel and ground (spammable vs it also) - that in mind people started using enam ebelt more to deviate steel chokepoints. These 6 are great azu drop would probably be ur variation x2 if you did consider it

Overall great approach gl!

[waxen tapir]

so from what I understand I need some sort of ground immunity?

[south copper]

Not necessarily but balloon should do u fine enam isn’t meant to be loaded every game but I think it’s best to judge that on a case by case basis depending on who ur against?

I copying the team adding the ebelt enam set (pretty new) still and keep ur current team and make the hatt balloon wp ya; also u can drop hatt on another variant too but fairy is fairy lol

Enam does an okish job it is a awkward “ground” breaker considering button hippo still

But hey it’s button I think belt just maximizes the dmg and it’s mixed

[waxen tapir]

I mean enam does get grass knot

[south copper]

slower than clod the waters just

do better and hatt tbh it does work but clod awk ur never wanting to spam gknot tho but its a nice lure IF IF u catch it but hippo (the sqeunce) matters not doing dmg

cuz its not rly eqing it just wants to come in a juke a hit

on an awkward turn

itself

maybe for u or them but button activating is insane value

considering lando-i has wave or ends up just leading off usually and clod is still a bitch turn 1-10

its like trades

[waxen tapir]

neither way thx for the help

[south copper]

anytimeeee 😄

[lost nebula]

Hello, I am looking for a place to help me build a monotype team !

If somoene want to help me !

[south copper]

heya!

lets chat in #comp-general-2

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/aa66e5638a893c1c

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[south copper]

heyaaa

hru @waxen tapir ?!

[waxen tapir]

hey pretty good

[waxen tapir]

imagine how much bad every single special flying wall I've seen to use articuno of all things 😭

[south copper]

main concern i see that sticks out is iron head dragonite

[waxen tapir]

mainly for fairies

[south copper]

who is this for

ic

tbh corviknight does a better jjob at this and u can alternate roles so its more realistic

flying is tailored to be really well rounded tbh

[waxen tapir]

actually ye I can make corv spD set but still would feel a like bandaid that maybe last some few special attacks, still better the articuno ig

[south copper]

A Careful nature along with 252 HP EVs and 144 Special Defense EVs allow Corviknight to survive two Shadow Balls from Choice Specs Flutter Mane, and 12 Attack EVs let it OHKO back with Iron Head. (most times 12 atk is 12 Atk Corviknight Iron Head vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Flutter Mane: 252-296 (100.3 - 117.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO ) idt u need

to make it spd thio gliscor is nice still maybe just mixed

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/669c3df7ec3d2fd3 did some changes what do you think?

[south copper]

oh no we should add the cuno back i was

brainstorming mb

[waxen tapir]

why?

[south copper]

i think just changing the moveset and optimizing things jumping entire mons on flying so fast isnt rly

a productive thing id say, the structures are rly nice i think you should just make it more well rounded now this feels like moltres pray for burn vs steel and pmuch having a secondary teammate rly output damage because its uturn whereas torn-t kinda has regen consistency heat wave offensive sets , av, etc. flying has a lot of variantions but what set or mon are you trying to get to work , i get cuno because it comes in on ice beams and can sub and hwish is a nice for longterm sequences. i think moltres is cool too just something in a different perspective i think spd corvi helps out with coming in on gren

and i gotta tour game to play rq

i think just changing the dnite set and exploring alternating uturners was the play brb

[waxen tapir]

oh okay thx sry for the long replay

[compact helm]

https://pokepast.es/2a6ef1f3bb039bd5

I'm not sure if this team follows the exact rules or mono type but I've been battling my friends in doubles, and I keep trying this mono type team and it doesn't really work out

[exotic geode]

Hey @compact helm, there are presently no raters signed up to rate teams for gen9nationaldexag. A rater in this channel may still step in and provide advice, but you can check out the resources for this format.

[south copper]

So we have an official doubles format as a monotype om ; if you are casually challenging your friend I recommend importing miraculous sets across tiers maybe as a starting skeleton and u can get eye candy on what’s consistent in just sets. Imprison zamazenta has no use in monotype tiers (this isn’t a tier also but based on monotype Ubers we still use this Mon pretty standardly in behmoth sd)really especially on fast zamazenta that should just be outputting damage good luck - also they should be using monotype like teams or ur just asking for a loss gym leaders are great va opposing gym leaders - Monotype Oms is an alternative that u can challenge quite more people if you wanna use Ubers (we have monotype Ubers) that’s my suggestions and u can get more valid advice

Otherwise good luck I hope it turns out well

There is a Import/Export button and just copy/paste sets for a good bit of these Pokemon already in misc tiers

[buoyant hinge]

is this team good? https://pokepast.es/4a6c453ae59ef63a

[exotic geode]

Hey @buoyant hinge, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexmonotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[buoyant hinge]

i got to 1200 using it but idk if i can reach higher

and i dunno if ursaluna should run hp or speed

on this team

[south copper]

Don’t think you “need” dual grounds tbh luna is sort of the upgraded diggerby I kinda only see diggersby benefitical as sd or z compression or OHKO Celesteela / skarm tbh

Or like sd quick attack for electric but having x2 grounds has its downsides also

[buoyant hinge]

Yeah I have nothing for water types except for seed bomb on ursaluna and wild charge on diggersby so i think i would just forfeit if i see a mono water XD

imo diggersby is a better sweeper than ursaluna due to huge power and with smeargle’s sticky web so I might replace ursaluna

With something like porygon z for electric moves?

Does porygon z even have electric moves o_o;

[south copper]

tbh webs doesnt rly feel great in ndm

everything get defog in this tier

[buoyant hinge]

Helped me sweep so many poison and electric teams :D

[south copper]

u already beat both of those types without webs and idt smeargle had anything to do w that u do have x2 grounds tbf

[buoyant hinge]

Like most of the time they would have outsped without speed debuff

WHAT IS AUTOCORRECT

DOING

Ok there we go

[south copper]

the zoning on preview vs both of those is so obnoxious thats its autowinning those mus but we dont wanna autolose vs water and things ya? we have to balance things out, beating x type shouldnt be ur focus it should be more of a global scope so u have consistency across the aspect of building so u dont tunnel vision , what is luna/digggersby outspeeding when zapdos/rotom-w comes in

and better question why is luna or diggersby concerned abt any of those other mons

423*.67
= 283.41

this is zera after webs ur ada diggers doesnt creep

[buoyant hinge]

Fair fair, I do have to pull up lopunny in those situations with ice punch and I don’t think I have nun for rotom, so I do need something good with water o_o;

[south copper]

i get the aspect or notion of webs may help the aspect of winning but its fairly annoying in this tier

[buoyant hinge]

That’s fair, maybe I could run toxic spikes smeargle instead

lol jkjk

I don’t want my team to look entirely like the samples however….would something like cyclizar do?

[buoyant hinge]

Dang cyclizar isn’t even on this thing

Dang there’s not much for water types except for heliolisk

[south copper]

try using the s-a ranks so u have a better scope of the metagames they have usage but normal already has 6mon slot syndrome , things u should be worried abt is like mega gallade chokepoints. maybe how are u going to win realistic mus against types with fighting-types as a normal team like water with urshifu , electric with iron hands , etc . the mu overall is pretty abrasive but luckily since its ndm zoro-h can opt for like z sets to rly up its damage or even z pagoes to break water , lopunny-m should be limber in case someone is miraculously using thunder wave zapdos or if u just have to fake out first without getting parad (cute charm isnt rly doesnt anything situationally ur mostly megaing) maybe if zapdos is at 3 perfect and u wanna zone static like that

a user named mateeus has been using mega-pidgeot tho i think its promising

[buoyant hinge]

Omg what is that name o_o;

[south copper]

lol

[buoyant hinge]

Never understood ivs being changed…is it for ditto?

Damn I read the whole thing, there’s nothing but praises XD

I’ve always struggled setting up with mega sableye teams, maybe I could use this instead of mega lopunny

Thank you for your gracious insight, I’ll prob go try it out later and lyk!! :D

[south copper]

i hope it works out im here anytime for help just ping me wooooo

https://tenor.com/view/celebration-dance-happy-gif-14501004472491462647

[buoyant hinge]

ive been trying out a team with ditto, porygon2, staraptor, mega lopunny, ursaluna, and blissey

did work well! Im having a bit of trouble finding a use for blissey other than tanking hits and thunder waving since sisemic toss doesnt do much

porygon 2 is acc pretty nice its just that they faint too easily i feel like

[glacial skiff]

A. You got a pokepaste so we can have a better look at the team.
B. That sounds like natdex mono which would be in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[buoyant hinge]

ahhh kk kk 1 secc

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/895b0e06873973fc kinda wanted ting-lu on this for rocks but the team would be too weak to fairy

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[glacial skiff]

This still looks not very ideal into fairy, and without Ting-Lu you've got a lot of defensive holes while not hazing hazards to back you up.

If you wanted to improve just your general chance into Fairy teams, you could opt to run a bulky Bisharp > Samurott-H which allows you to drop AMuk and add back Ting-Lu.

[waxen tapir]

doesn't that opens up to the team being also extremely weak to fighting?

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, but AMuk doesn't help out too much into fighting anyway.

Most of the best fighting-types like Iron Hands, Urshifu-R, and Great Tusk and physical monsters that take AMuk's attacks and then hit back way too hard for it.

Iron Valiant is the sole exception, and even then its better to just throw Extrasensory Greninja at it and hope for the best.

And with both Extra Gren and PR Meow, you're reasonably equipped to check fighting anyway.

[waxen tapir]

Ig, anyway which set of bisharp I should use?

[glacial skiff]

I personally like running Ada 80 HP / 232 Atk / 20 Def / 176 Spe with SD, Iron Head, Sucker, Throat chop/Low kick.

[waxen tapir]

evolite or lo?

[glacial skiff]

Evolite.

You can run bulkier and do like 180/160 HP, 232/252 Atk, 96 Spe with Ada (still outspeeds Azu), go all in with either max HP+Attack or max attack+speed.

Max attack+Speed you generally prefer Life Orb on though, bisharp isn't really that bulky anymore.

[waxen tapir]

Okay then thx for the help

[glacial skiff]

No problem.

I think on this though, I would go a bulky set at least, you've got enough raw offense already.

[exotic geode]

Hey @upbeat marsh, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexmonotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/955b0bf1954e9a7c the limitation here is killing me

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frozen hornet]

I’m not gonna lie the team looks solid

However

If you struggle vs Archaludon

You can change a move on Harc for Overheat

[glacial skiff]

TTar gets more out of leftovers in my opinion with a bulky spread that does knock, hslam, TWave, SR which also frees up a move on Glim.

Granted, there isn't much else, this kind of is just, "good rock" or well, as far as good rock can be pushed with how not great this type is.

[waxen tapir]

what stat distruption?

[glacial skiff]

You realistically would just be going max HP with max SpD.

[waxen tapir]

switch with what?

[frozen hornet]

Could switch head smash

For overheat

It does to my knowledge approximately 60-65% with 4 spatk

Since most Arch’s don’t run a lot of spdef investment and typically save speed minimum of 16 to outspeed certain things

[waxen tapir]

yea a mono team doesn't need too much of the same type attacking moves if needed for something

[frozen hornet]

You also have Ivy Cudgel as a better move than head miss 😂😂

[waxen tapir]

16 SpA Arcanine-Hisui Overheat vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Archaludon: 195-229 (50.7 - 59.6%) 2HKO

[frozen hornet]

Little off but that’s still good damage

I calc’d it with rocks

That’s why it did more

😭

Since Arch HATES hazards

[waxen tapir]

also with hasty nature

[waxen tapir]

ye rocks are definitely going up with a rock team

[frozen hornet]

Overheat is your best friend to break Arch

Also iirc

Save Glimm for it as well

Over heat is a last resort tbh

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/539d7ad1320358f8 this team is getting deleted from any fire team, I'm between araq and ribom as a sticky web sitter

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[frozen hornet]

I’m not a crazy bug expert but I feel as if when fighting fire you really just have to pray stone axe hits and save aranaquid for volcarona

Team looks solid though you could toss in Slither Wing over Forretress

For more firepower

[waxen tapir]

bugs are weak to rock, stealth rock would be a problem without removal

[glacial skiff]

You're really just hoping to ball with sticky webs and Kleavor mostly.

Bulkyrona can pop off against fire if given the turns, but that is a huge if.

And yeah as Irys said, this looks very solid and standardish for bug.

I would make Scizor's EV Spread 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spe Ada though, this gets the jump on Ada Azu which could legit rip your team apart very easily at the current moment.

[frozen hornet]

Could bypass it with heavy duty boots

[waxen tapir]

Ok thx for the help

[south copper]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9monotype-893267 https://smogtours.psim.us/battle-gen9monotype-893281

remember u mentioned moltres, two users brought it today in mwp so it may be worth seeing how the structures pan out, overall it lost to sub volcarona (roar moltres is pretty minor but lol if in ou this is standard for common booster energy mons so ppl werent rly adding it (or are going to idk pretty selective) but

looks lenient on the av-torn end and dropping the dragonite wave pmuch

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/a95bfe5588a706f0 this team was my go too for a long time although I'm still torn on the vall set, expert belt is decent for consistent damage with the diverse moves but I still miss the instant good power in the specs set

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[lusty anvil]

would just revert it back to specs tbh

team needs that immediate power in this comp.

toy around with keldeo vs urshifu in that slow as well depending on what mus your struggling with

[waxen tapir]

I kinda went with keldeo since the team would've been fully physical attackers aside from vall, which can get showdown with physical walls and burn

[lusty anvil]

i mean i said toy around

not like change it completely

honestly as well

if keldeo

been cooking

keep it yanno?

[waxen tapir]

I did test it those surging strikes really did a LOT of damage on supposed checks but still keldeo was generally more consistent it was surprisingly was the last mon in a lot of matches and won most of them if the mon against isn't ridiculously offensive, anything utility or a tank is getting set up on and brutalized, EXCEPT for dragapult for obvious reasons

[lusty anvil]

ya then thats fine

i would just revert valiant back to specs tbh

i think non specs you just always go with mix val as it just breaks shit better

[vivid gate]

https://pokepast.es/dfc0827e88817439
This team get me into a top 50 but fairy matchup will be very difficult.

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[frozen hornet]

If fairy is a bit of a struggle

You can change Samurott to Muk Alola

Some run Curse + Rest, most run Assault vest + Drain Punch

[lusty anvil]

thats just the mu unfort, even if u like change the comp around its still a bad mu. ur main counter play is to just hazard stack and play the sack war until your scarf meowscarada can clean late game

[vivid gate]

Ok and is there a moveset that I should change?

[frozen hornet]

You could probably add Sludge Bomb to Darkrai, helps a lot versus Hatterene & Iron Valiant

Since tbh you already have great ice coverage for Flying with Ice Beam Greninja

If the off chance you do fight Fairy, you have a bit more fire power

But that’s preference

💕

[vivid gate]

Ok

[frozen hornet]

Biggest “issue” you’ll face is Klefki + Primarina combo

But as boomp said

Sack war

Until Meow can efficiently clean late

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/5b71290bca020d21

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[frozen hornet]

I suggest changing Frosmoth to Mamoswine as Iron Hands is very threatening. This saves you under Veil + Snow with Choice Band.

You also have Kyurem to do the same thing Frosmoth can do but better

[waxen tapir]

so switch it with CB mamoswine?

[frozen hornet]

I’d suggest that yeah, so you don’t get farmed by Iron Hands and have a means to actually threaten it out.

[waxen tapir]

ok then thx for the help

[frozen hornet]

No problem 💜

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/17a26b85559b6349 flying+fire are bruteforcing this

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[glacial skiff]

If you're playing Grass, you kind of just have to accept in terms of matchups, you have no matchups.

I do think Hydrapple is kind of ass though and it could be replaced by one of the fighters.
I would say Lilli-H personally since it gives you a slightly better flying MU but Breloom also works.

[waxen tapir]

aren't both like 4x weak to flying?

[glacial skiff]

Most flying-types aren't running flying moves right now.

The only relevant flying moves that come to mind a Torn-T Bleakwind and Pelipper Hurricane.

Oh and Scizor Dual Wingbeat.

Every other flying-type is generally either not ran much such as Braviary and Corviknight (Steel) or isn't running their flying-type options such as Mandibuzz or Skarmory which prefer Foul Play and Body Press respectively.

[waxen tapir]

so ironically I'm more than likely to expect a flying move from a rain water team then actual flying team?

[glacial skiff]

You expect about the same, 1.

Maybe 2 if they're running Kingdra or some more niche flying-type like one of the Zapdos formes or Moltres-G.
Yes Zapdos is niche in mono flying right now, what a wild time.

Oh yeah Zapdos Electric runs Hurricane.
Electric is also very bad though so

[waxen tapir]

I mean walking wake has hurricane

[glacial skiff]

Wake isn't used much on Water, can't really fit hurricane if it does appear, and also doesn't fit on Rain as its outclassed by Kingdra whom gets the jump on Choice Scarf Meowscarada.

[waxen tapir]

monotype is at an all time low, really some types are just bad to use or inconsistent enough to not be worth the trouble

[south copper]

Types like grass require skill expression, constant innovating and public resources make them easier to prep against - it’s the same logic of samples teams in overused and why “someone can’t creep #1” but like peng said hilli-l can surprise flying and it’s not bad I won against flying here in seasonal https://youtu.be/Ek7Ih4gzTG0?si=mHbbQukxmEre8Ho3

[steep viper]

is this team updated within the current metagame? https://pokepast.es/f1e0671dbc4385cb

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[lusty anvil]

looks good for an electric tbh, i would just test it out on the ladder and see how u do overall. if you need like more offensive / setup presence, do like screens regieleki + shuca berry or roseli depending on whatchu need sd iron hands. team is just overall slow unfortunate but really hard to slap a scarfer on comps

[steep viper]

ty

I see my teams struggling with ice types tbg

[lusty anvil]

well ice is shit so ur gucci lol but on the fr, problem with balance style electric rn is that it just loses to too much shit and especially in this metagame where its so offensive oriented it becomes hard for electric comps to pivot around comfy.

[steep viper]

okay thanks

[lusty anvil]

liek zone can help with that mu but is like meh vs like other mus when types like fire / dragon / ground / dark are really dominate rn .

like

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/f1fb04ad24174f66

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[tepid warren]

Politoed is certified not very good so I’d recommend either a ground type or an eject button tocapex

[south copper]

Poli is garbage CC: @tepid warren

[tepid warren]

yeah pretty much

Not garbage though I like him.

[south copper]

What tier? Maybe as vibes. Tera blast ou?

Might be good in uu monotype 👀👀

[waxen tapir]

what's the set for pex specfically?

[tepid warren]

https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/toxapex/monotype/

Probably mixed one since you don’t have much defense otherwise

Or specially defensive cuz pelipper is kinda phys def

Up to you

Just put button on

[waxen tapir]

feels like electric types are destroying this, although I have niche idea to throw h-samu somewhere here, removal is very less regraded in monotype so hazard should be good

[south copper]

Electric is also not that real either with dragon being s and ground variants being good I feel; mu happens but what also matters is not directly using ladder experiences to directly change perspective ; but a lot of ppl main types are fairly passionate and comfortable just not learning all 18 types ; I think you testing the types will help you have a well rounded panel overall ; I hope building has been fun for you woohoo!

[vivid gate]

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[glacial skiff]

Looks fairly standardish for rain. But Keldeo isn't that great on rain since its slowing the team majorly down to setup. If you wanted to run Keldeo you would probably prefer specs but I think an AV Primarina or Kingdra would probably do better there.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/f1a9cee7fa2a6a27

[glacial skiff]

Sorry for late rate.
Uhh, kinda standardish looking team for dragon. I think you could possibly go Scarf Latias for HWish support but that is kind of it.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/bcfa3bad9c0d1b6b how can I improve this? even with 2 mons that can safely switch on a ground type my team still gets overwhelmed with ground teams and dragon for a decent amount of time

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[tepid warren]

poison will always struggle with ground for sure

You could add an amoonguss if you like

[glacial skiff]

In the Ground department, its kind of a loss cause. You really need to bring an Amoonguss, Specs Iron Moth, and Scarf Dogi for said MU to be comfortablish, and even then its still trying to push a tank up a cloud.

Dragon Wise, its gonna depend on comps on both ends, but if you do want to try and make it more problematic for Dragon, you can opt to run Toxic Spikes > Toxic onto Toxapex. Dragon lacks removal and an absorber so when they go up, they'll stay up.

AV Glowking also makes that MU a lot more barrable since it can comfortably check Specs Kyurem, Raging Bolt, and Specs Latios.

[waxen tapir]

I still like toxic on pex so it's not too passive, can I keep it instead of something like haze?

[glacial skiff]

That is the eternal problem of what to drop, Haze is really nice and I think its less droppable than Toxic.
You could possibly opt to run Toxic + Toxic Spikes if so inclined.
Or keep to Reg Glowking and run TSpikes > TWave (or just slot them in as a last option over U-turn on Iron Moth, last slot on moth is honestly somewhat flexible.)

[waxen tapir]

Ok then thx for the help

[gleaming lichen]

https://pokepast.es/825b2aa173934a43

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[glacial skiff]

No notes, this is just a very standard Normal team.

I personally like running 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD on my Blissey and Scarf+U-turn > Specs+Trick on Zoro-H but that is more preference than anything else.

[gleaming lichen]

oh

ill do the other bliss spread ya

https://pokepast.es/48706daf88ca5034 what abt this?

[glacial skiff]

Weakness policy Pult is garbage, most super effective moves, especially from the defensive targets pult wants to try and get them popped on, are usually going to be doing insane amounts of damage while its not doing too much back in return and is far better off with leftovers/HDB
We only have that as a sample set because we have to.

You would also benefit from Specs > Scarf on FM since you've got Double Shadow Sneak for priority along with pult and flutter that speed isn't really an issue.

That being said Zoro-H + Ceru isn't a great breaking core cause they really struggle into a lot of the same threats and don't really cover anything that the other doesn't. Notably both being stumped by threats such as Porygon2, Itemless Pex, and Mandibuzz.

I would probably drop one of them for spectrier.

[tepid warren]

You should at least try download on Porygon

and yes I’d remove zoroark for spectrier

Most sets will be just fine for it

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/6b7e22ad0d479dd5 is this good?

[glacial skiff]

I would say run Flamethrower over Scorching. Right now this team kind of gets bullied by opposing steel birds with Dnite being the only reliable out. If you still want scorching sands you could drop U-turn for it. Or even Wisp if you really want to go gambling.

[waxen tapir]

ok then

[gleaming lichen]

Wait why do you have to have wp pult as a set if its bad

[glacial skiff]

Rising set contest.
No one wanted it to win, but it won and we can't do shit about it.

[gleaming lichen]

Whats a rising set contest..

[glacial skiff]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/monotype-rising-sets-ix-submissions.3775176/ This.

[gleaming lichen]

weird

but funny

[gleaming lichen]

https://pokepast.es/cd33cdcad3b72b0b ik elec sucks but um

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[south copper]

Screens nice

Iron thorns holds too much weight back tho, the only set I’d even use on this is like balloon or sash + hazards or something to complement electric long term because it has no sustain and it’s pretending to be tyranitar

Well actually I’d just sash the thorns here or balloon, this is really just a secondary electric killer and when I run it I just alternative iron hands role of already shuca berry sometimes to maybe just produce a differentiating panel of iron hand sets since I’m a ho team , I need a lot of variants so one deviation is not prepped for. It’s monotype and ho is not the best style ; it’s an interpretation off balance which has a lot of consistent in the tier -

Dragon is still rough you can do like haban realistically infiltrator dragagapult is still going to be the biggest oppression alongside literally anything that differentiates a “one dimensional screens style” - but realistically this means very specific Pokemon have to come out turn 3 to even surge as an oppression

[gleaming lichen]

idt if electric has much to fix the dragon mu

[south copper]

Haban Raging is nice

[gleaming lichen]

ye I can go haban

[south copper]

U can just accept a trade or rly on the para backhand on ago screens

[gleaming lichen]

but thats more of a one time thing and like

idt Magnezone can stomach those hits either

[south copper]

I also invented scarf

Keep making variants the idea

Is to exploit chokepoints

I run scarf twave raging bolt to para goodrah because it’s like ur breakers are always gonna be down on complicated turns - oricorio also needs to be like positioned well or at least last ; I also stil like zapdos you can still sub / fish hurricanes still on similar vein to ss; I’ve used scarf also ; dragon doesn’t really run chomp much but hey here is where the shuca hands comes back unfortunately

[gleaming lichen]

I think Shuca also helps make Mamo sybau

[south copper]

Also like if you think about fire or the aspect of winning u can run a lot things like sash thorns or even just change the scarf role to that Mon and have ice punch for chomp or even better yet just click spikes as a scarf as archaludon one dimensionally comes in sack ur rotom wash but if they have a chomp well they never see it coming because you have so many sets but knowing the positioning and reasoning like ideally you’d want to have something for hearthlame too things get crit sometimes

lol true

[gleaming lichen]

fire im not rly sure what u do besides try to bullshit past w bolt and corio

[south copper]

I think I’m just saying I’d just make some copies and deviations it’s not that I don’t think these sets are bad

But I think a lot of people are seasoned, at least the analyses are pretty normalized for a lot of ppl qcing it atp and BOLT AND HANDS***

Bolt and hands are always glue and zapdos …I never even made a oricorio team ngl but the user that used it has spikes pincurchin iirc at first overall

[gleaming lichen]

idk what their team was but probs to abuse other stuff

raging bolt doing more damage, iron hands taking some steroids

[south copper]

I think you make the deviations and see the win conditions and see how people can play vs the variety of sets not just directly on that - despite this Ig im not fully bothered by my replays but I have incredibly too many to keep importing sample sets ☠️ a lot of prep is fairly different tho for people and things doesn’t always work on the ladder and neither will electric give us success all the time but

I think just try to cteam dragon and “never lose to flying”

Is your baselines lol

[gleaming lichen]

o right because gliscor is a terrorist

[south copper]

Gliscor moment

[gleaming lichen]

idt we lose to it

we have a washer and like

ice punch hands

the last slot if we drop thorns coud also help but idk what u put there

[south copper]

You’ve be surprised how many times I had to revival blessing I’ve used raikou sub before lol but atp

I’d probably just weakness policy it

And get 160 BP SCALD YESSS

https://tenor.com/view/raikou-pokemon-raikou-pokemon-thunder-raikou-uses-thunder-gif-10290080287806047548

Scald vs gliscor trade isn’t that friendly lmfao

Maybe aura wp can pop kyurem too

[gleaming lichen]

Sub CM/CM Kou sounds funny ngl

[south copper]

It wins ..sometimes

Discharge is a bitch just know

And static

[gleaming lichen]

my choices ig are like

sandy/magnezone/a diff thorns set

or if im feeling cheeky I can go electrode

Magnezone @ Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 248 HP / 44 Def / 216 Spe
Bold Nature

• Iron Defense
• Body Press
• Flash Cannon
• Substitute

do i do this zone set if I go magnezone as a last

[south copper]

Is this the smogon dex set?

Idk I am already winning steel usually or have a neutral matchup my concerns are like the snowballing flutter can spam this or like toxtricity toxic spikes (yes) but like idk most of the times im just coming in on moonblast - magnet pull accepts a trade on the steels for dragon ; it doesn’t do much else tho ; discharge sometimes but that straightforward it seems - its benefitical primarily because of the fairy resist in my eyes tho

[gleaming lichen]

yeah I was handed a hslam variant of this for fairy and some other MUs

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/bdd164119ae75960 is a defogger mandatory here?

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[glacial skiff]

No.

Steel often just opts for treads hazard stacks.

[tepid warren]

rapid spin is fine

[waxen tapir]

ground feels a little worrying here, ye I have a flying type but if it's gone then rip

[glacial skiff]

If you wanna try and make ground a bit easier, you can opt for Air Balloon Iron Treads.

Granted ground is usually about managing the Skarm + Landorus.
If Landorus falls, Skarmory can somewhat sweep Ground while if Skarmory falls, pick a god and pray.

That being said, Archaludon does live a Choice Band Excadrill from full if nessicary.

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/4e06fc791262ebd9 is this good?

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[tepid warren]

it looks good to me

I would suggest using heavy duty boots on forretress though

https://pokepast.es/523ce8e1b696f2ce

heres a team i made with the same 6 for a tournament match if you'd like to compare

[glacial skiff]

On volc you want to run Timid > Modest

Timid is just better insurance overall for speed.

[waxen tapir]

oh ye I didn't notice that

[waxen tapir]

what should volc live with those investments?

[tepid warren]

goodra knock off doesnt break sub in 1 hit

[waxen tapir]

oh okay then

[waxen tapir]

Hey quick question what are the elos where the level of skill players change? like at what elo I should expect decent player and the elo for pro player?

[lusty anvil]

well overall ladder is just random and anybody can be in different elo ways, good players could be on alts tryna test out teams and whatnot but normally a good rule of thumb is like 1550 elo and above is where you should expect "good" players

[waxen tapir]

ok then, btw what's the more usually common types in ladder? or are there some specfic ones that are unused and everything else is fine

[lusty anvil]

normally alot of bug be utilize much on ladder

then just a lil sprinkle of everything

[waxen tapir]

wait so bug is the most common or the least common sry I can't pick up one what you're trying to say

[lusty anvil]

bug is the most common

[waxen tapir]

Ohh ok, wild guess but is the main reason volc?

[lusty anvil]

no just

ppl like bug lol

thats about it

[waxen tapir]

fair enough, ironically it folds hard against any rock team which to be fair are kinda rare

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[lucid blade]

https://pokepast.es/f5f2fa20e2017d26 is this good?

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[south copper]

@dense matrix @pale idol @feral cosmos may want to chime in let me ask doubles council really quick

[pale idol]

aegi isnt in gen 9 so the team isnt usable

[lucid blade]

It’s not for sv it’s for sum else

[lusty anvil]

what is it for

[lucid blade]

kinda embarassing to say but its for a cobblemon tourney

[lusty anvil]

!pixelmon

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[lucid blade]

oh mb

[waxen tapir]

while playing I noticed that most of my loses were bc of special attackers, heatren is the only mon that can actually take special hits once it's gone team is destroyed by any decent special attacker

[glacial skiff]

Thats an issue Steel generally runs into in my opinion is that it often feels like while you've got good MUs into most things, you have one real rough spot that you can't build around.

You could possibly opt to run double Scarf with Hisuian Goodra over Scizor (with either tran or Archa as your secondary Scarfer) to attempt to fix this issue while still having good speed.

[waxen tapir]

ok I'll test that sry for taking long to replay, btw what set for goodra I should use?

scizor does feel useless half of the team so ye

[glacial skiff]

Most if they use it on steel generally go with standard SpD that is used on Dragon.

[waxen tapir]

btw if I want to turn heatren to a scarfer which mon I can give rocks for? they really helps since a lot teams don't have removel, the only think I see is treads but don't know which moves to switch by

[glacial skiff]

You can go Rocks Archa running rocks > tect.

[waxen tapir]

ok then thx, btw is the team good against fighting teams? I usually always instant lose to any of those teams

[glacial skiff]

Fighting is probably still ass.

You could go Bulk Up Corv > Goodra-H which runs special defense investment to try and make the MU easier.

I like Goodra-H more personally since it gives a specially defensive water resist and is a super nice check to FM and is just, bulkier. But Corv can work.

[waxen tapir]

also ironically the thing that made me consider another special tank is my team got swept wayy too many times by prim once it sets up

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, that is an issue.

Primarina can still be a bit of a problem for Goodra-H and Corv, but Hoodra its flexible enough on steel that you can realistically experiment a bit with its moveset and see what works best while I think Corv can generally pressure it even with bulk up + Brave bird damage to handle it.

I think, I'm not 100% sure on this.

[waxen tapir]

ok then thx for the help

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/439c09ca7dc7b851

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[frozen hornet]

Cool team! Though you need a few tweaks.

I wouldn’t use Psychic on Valiant as you already have Gallade with Sharpness Psycho Cut

Could probably opt for vacuum wave if you REALLLY want but Close Combat is more preferred

Replace OkiDogi with Iron Hands

[glacial skiff]

Irys, this is specs.
I would go Vac here just cause of it.

[frozen hornet]

Yeah looking at it vacuum is easier to prioritize

[glacial skiff]

Granted, if you're deranged here, may I offer you Energy ball?

And yeah as much as I like Dogi, going hands here probably gonna be better overall since right now, decent play with Primarina just bullies you insanely hard.

And just water in general looks stinky.

[waxen tapir]

vaccum wave definitely seems good although I don't think I need that many fighting coverage on a fighting team, I'm thinking of psyshock for some answer to poison

[glacial skiff]

Okay speaking as a Poison player here. Once we realize Val is specs. Glowking comes in everytime and that only takes real damage from Psyshock which isn't as good into the rest of Poison overall as there are enough fat Physical walls that can take a Psyshock then pivot correctly and any other move that gets clicked just gets responded with a slap on the face. The main winner of the Poison MU is generally going to be strong Gallade usage to break so that SD Hands, SD Urshifu-R or in this case, Kommo-O can do final clean up.

[waxen tapir]

wait what's most common glowking set in poison?

[glacial skiff]

AV.

Specs Psyshock does less than half, you need to click Shadow Ball which basically everything defensive looks at you and laughs at.

[waxen tapir]

I mean it does need to to be full heath to comfortably take a hit and be a threat if it's something like 75% it can't switch on a psyshock since it will kill it in the second turn

[glacial skiff]

I guess.

[robust folio]

would someone be able to make a double mono normal type team no limits (1 legendary 1 gimmmick) for cobblemon is there one avaliable 😈

ive serached a few up but i wasnt too sure on what to use

but i have been using wolfey vgc one but disable and wideguard have been getting me 😔

[waxen tapir]

!cobblemon

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[robust folio]

Oops mb

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/b139f8d103a149b8 is this decent to most bad mu?

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[south copper]

Most people tend to use specs moth - ig swapping moves or either potentially koing some gliscor variants with overheat ; cerulege kinda 6-0s this on paper without a pex or like deadass a cteam set / counter play Mon like itemless pecharunt to not get 6-0d..pechurant is fairly passive so I wouldn’t slap it on willynilly but perhaps amoonguss can do things

The 6 mons aren’t particularly bad but I think every poison team has its natural flaws

[waxen tapir]

I mean I can switch ammong with pex but that would make my ground match up even worse

[south copper]

Shuca slowking-g is also fine to toy around with; ig weezing-g just gets gravititied on so instead I just have a chokepoint for that u - amoonguss

You’re rarely winning ground and if they have a gliscor you aren’t sporing it

I think winning a realistic ghost fire , fire is pretty hard but people still slap ceruledge on ghost - this is realistic. I’d take this and find sequences to win - I’d also make a copy of your team not completely delete it

Amoonguss is viable but I don’t think long term poison can always follow up as your mon iron moth usually would come in with specs or something abrasive or anything that can obliterate damage and actually manipulate a spore ; sneasnler sure but I feel like you need to get to that point

ATP the win condition is praying slowking-g gets in on landorus clicking gravity as weezing galar never wanting to come in - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9monotype-896830 sand ground vs sandless examples of mons

[south copper]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen9monotype-894478 my teammate still had pex here; I drop pex sometimes but usually the Composition will be pretty ugly in the end of dropping pex

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/57d4112de8061f91

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[glacial skiff]

Huge issue I'm noticing off the bat is how hard this will lose to flying. Notably Articuno is going to bully you badly.

I'm also not a big fan of no PJab Clodsire and think it should be ran here over Spikes.

I would probably make Glisc SD Scor to better check flying alongside running Never Melt Ice Mamoswine. (Its just CB mamo with Ice)

[waxen tapir]

wait instead of what?

[glacial skiff]

I just realized I used both Gliscor terms.

Gliscor should be the SD variant.

[waxen tapir]

I meant what I should switch with mamo

[tepid warren]

Tusk or gliscor

I’d say gliscor tbh

Loses a bunch of momentum on your team and tusk provides great value with rapid spin and knock off

[glacial skiff]

Realistically yeah. I do think SD Scor could be nice, but most Sand grounds are fairly standardized at this point.

[waxen tapir]

the ice mu feels like a disaster, if exca dies rip

[lunar vapor]

Guys, I’m taking part in a Monotype tournament on a Cobblemon server. I was planning to use a stall team, but repeated items and legendaries aren’t allowed, so I put this team together instead. The use of Tera is allowed, as well as one ‘wildcard’ Pokemon that doesn’t have the Water type. Any tips on what I could improve? https://pokepast.es/719cb6c7f3004f1d

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[lusty anvil]

!cobblemon

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[lunar vapor]

oh my bad, there isn’t any other channel to ask for help with this, right?

[lusty anvil]

nah

[waxen tapir]

(With iron hands) not gonna lie, after testing this team folds instantly to any ghost or fairy team, mostly bc of fluttermane nothing in it can take a moonblast and live to do something expect for sneasler which any competent player will know he has to get rid off to sweep safely. this thing is seriously just too broken

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/c95f79ea91e93eb6

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[lusty anvil]

thats like the best you can do with that comp if not running gimmicky screens electric

[south copper]

i hate av hands u can just run a pinch berry and get more value, u just want twave chokepoints for dragon

or raher

chokepoints in general

[frozen hornet]

I agree as electric is either flat out screens or you build certain important mons around key types like sub nasty plot rotom wash w/ stored power for clodsire/poisons

I don’t particularly enjoy double vest w/ magnezone

You can probably change hands to like

Sd Shuca

[waxen tapir]

ok then

[south copper]

id probjust drop the shocks then do something wierd like scarf rotom , idk if i run shocks im hazading , theres aso specs latios so think zone av isa nice "1 turn chance" but when u think abt this interaction what other this is really neutralizing or maybe specs zap , ig thunder wave scarf or something rly controlling / boosting factor in screens / revival blessing / para spam / things that consistently flip turns off longterm miraculous factors..scarf bolt , haban ragg bolt gives realistic adverse chokepoints for dragon

[autumn cargo]

Hi guys I have a team I was hoping for somone to take a look at! Its a mono steel trickroom team intended for doubles. I'm trying to avoid megas and legends due to the weird format Im playing with friends. Any advice would be great, I need it as I'm not too good at team building lol

https://pokepast.es/d73d99e689d779ce

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[autumn cargo]

Its my understanding that this might not be the right channel for this team because its a doubles team so just let me know if i should ask somewhere else

[south copper]

We don’t have anyone that specifically plays under these rulesets

[glacial skiff]

!cobblemon

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[south copper]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/doubles-monotype-megathread.3772647/ doubles monotype does exist however if you want to chime in on concepts here or just on this tier

[glacial skiff]

We do have a mono doubles, but it hasn't been explored too heavily, and has not been touched in a natdex format.

[autumn cargo]

ahh thank you thats helpful!!

[autumn cargo]

Thanks for letting me know

[south cairn]

https://pokepast.es/586bebf0651c1c08
Would y'all pls rate this nat dex monotype team, I wanted to try building a team with xurkitree and came up with this

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[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/4af3bd775cbb7dfa

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[glacial skiff]

I think just run Bramble > Sinistcha and your good. I'm not a big fan of SD Ceru without removal personally.

I also prefer to run Scarf Pult > Scarf Dengo.

[south copper]

Idk I like sinischta but removal feels inconsistent at times and bramble is nice too; I usually recommend exploring a Colbur berry on sinis or some other Mon (even the bramble) for consistency vs samurott it’s just a trade essentially ; but if you’re against gren and samu would you rather accept the trade or just constantly be on this one dimensional sack play they can have priority in especially if there’s a barraskewda with crunch in the back that checks ur faster mons in pult flutter

Boots might give you more leverage on the pecharunt and I think ceruledge is pretty much hit or miss yeah

Ur pretty much turn 1 leading zoning ; even colbur dengo can be nice and just don’t have colbur on something else but trust it can make a difference especially mimicking the trade / direct value mimikyu tries to do

[glacial skiff]

I think Bramble helps make Ceru more consistent.

Against types like Water and Flying your usually able to get that spin for ceru fairly reliably.

[south copper]

It’s pretty optional they both are exchangeable

I think from experience bramble can end up being a little passive with just ghosts awkward structure overall and although that does directly - the utility feels nice but just feels like ghost is always down a few turns or rather static gameplay due to the pivots in tornadus-t or uturn gren just getting a uturn right (just general momentum) - the ghosts grasses just feel like ur trading with colbur or having a mimikyu- my mwp teammate even had like sash brambleghast ; but I do respect longevity of sinis comps too I think there both just nice mons overall

[gloomy vapor]

Small suggestion but I would opt for itemless pech it helps with softening knock and makes poltergeist fail vs stuff like ceru

[south copper]

Yo opposing ghost mirrors suck yeah and ceruledge itself might not even get a teammates spin vs that yeah itemless is a sleeper…zoroark-h usage moment

[whole sage]

https://pokepast.es/7999b19585f41dfe

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[whole sage]

My first monotype team

[south copper]

Omfg fire YESSSSS

YESSS FINALLY A HUMBLE AND WOKE FIRE MAIN

• leftovers Torkoal is probably not really providing an overall better scope than like heat rocks / boots / at worst just eject pack. Typically people are using ninetales with healing with but I also like torkoal. Diffrentiating the weathers in terms of resourcefulness is my suggestion for you as even shuca berry koal for example can wisp zone something like garchomo or just maximize the utility in living a ground attack from great tusk or lando-t but the sequence of surviving matters as if u live with enough hp resetting sun is nice passively.

-talonflame overlaps in torkoals spin utility role in a way and id probably not have . Wisp conditions can be nice for sequences .

• no heatran means specs power gem flutter mane clicks buttons very loosely alongside opposing Draco meteors in which dragon is winnable with volcarona sets like sub OR teammates support line wisp to help it get better qd opportunities to win and sweep ofc

Also Tera isn’t allowed at least in monotype so maybe the teras was ur approach at the start I’m not directly on pc but these are things you can look for; also another monotype rater may chime in and give a different perspective or a little more but I’m on trip hope this helps WOOO

https://tenor.com/view/volcarona-pokemon-bug-fire-gif-9577549

[whole sage]

Thanks for the advice

But if i should add heatran who should I replace

[lusty anvil]

more likely any of the 3 in: talonflame / volcanion / incineroar

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[whole sage]

I chose to replace Incineroar

[north kelp]

https://pokepast.es/d0bc7356742426d5
Thoughts of the team?

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[lusty anvil]

we dont rate custom rules / non-smogon teams

!pixelmons

!pixelmon

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[brave pecan]

https://pokepast.es/1d6065c33d15b714

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[brave pecan]

I copied and modified on a 2023 team

hopefully old stuff still works...?

[south copper]

You probably don’t want that Quagsire ngl u can run pert even av u can mirror coat kyu ; surely you get more leverage over the other basc? Theoretically: why would submitting to full water stabs be beneficial atp this is just barraskewda but honestly if you just had a different moveset because it may have some viability in hitting iron hands pretty hard in rain ; if qua is not running spin I guess this questions urshifu and Keldeo and (keldeo has vacuum for like meowscarada)

Which meta was this built in? I’m assuming the one without ogerpons? I guess just the sustain part on Quagsire feels like it gets overwhelmed by like raging bolt and that realistically should be maybe nice zoning for a wake comp? Samurott-h also probably takes more aggressive advantage of these offensive pokemon like raging bolt / kyurem to sd sucker and even just kinda have a wall breaker + stallbreaker in conjunction - u can still get away with scarf but unsure just like sd shifu/cm keldeo sounds better in the last > qua or just ogerpon blaze maybe then in that regard that’s nice zoning

Water / grounds can also run eject button to give wake turns on intentionally taking deacos but Quagsire just is a little awkward but hey u can live a hit it kinda submits itself into its passiveness so the turns can go by really fast tbh so button is just nice to make up if ur down or exploiting a turn for a offensive min to come in and now die

[brave pecan]

First of all thank you for the long reply. I'm not sure which meta it is built. So what should I bring for basc, or in other words what things am I targeting on? and does it look better like this: https://pokepast.es/76680e4083214a0d

[gloomy vapor]

This looks like a better update to your team I would suggest knock > roar on pert though

Makes your spikes more effective as well

[brave pecan]

ok

should I av pert or sth to have a better raging bolt matchup

[gloomy vapor]

Av pert would help you a ton

You could make two version though

[brave pecan]

or cm keldeo stuff over urshifu

[gloomy vapor]

See which one you like better

[brave pecan]

ok

[gloomy vapor]

Happy testing 🫡

[brave pecan]

what do I use as the last move if I use av pert

[gloomy vapor]

Knock eq flip and mirror coat

[brave pecan]

ok

[buoyant hinge]

with mono normal, which pokemon can outspeed and deal with mono dragon types? And which pokemon can deal with mono fairy types?

ive been having trouble recently with those types, i tried steel wing staraptor but it didnt really work that well, the damage is a bit lacking

if only there was poison normal and steel normal pokemon

[gloomy vapor]

Maushold is pretty strong vs fairy teams because you remove screens with tidy up and their only resistance is to its stab is klefki as tinkaton is a bit more uncommon

Blissey checks key special attackers in dragon like raging bolt, kyurem, and special sets of dragapult

Porygon 2 is also quite good into a lot as well discharge + ice beam is quite annoying

It gets foul play as well

[buoyant hinge]

i have tried porygon z and got outsped by dragonite and dragapult, but since porygon 2 is bulky, it can tank hits from them right

[gloomy vapor]

No porygon 2 much bulkier and more useful

Porygon Z is terrible

Hisuian zoroark does its role as a special attacking breaker much better

While providing a fighting immunity and utility through its illusion ability

[buoyant hinge]

fair point, and also ive been meaning to ask, which ones better? Bewear or blissey in terms of checking/tanking hits for the team

[gloomy vapor]

Blissey by a long mile

Beware has a different role and its weak to fire because of its ability

[buoyant hinge]

bulky setup?

[gloomy vapor]

Yeah even so it falls short on what it wants to check

It’s not even ranked unfortunately that’s how “bad” it is

[buoyant hinge]

oh danggg o_o;

[gloomy vapor]

Its pretty much outclassed by ursaluna the other bear

[buoyant hinge]

dangg ok so a blissey, porygon 2, maushold, h. zoro, starapter and ursaluna team would do good?

[gloomy vapor]

Ya you can try that

Braviary > staraptor probably

Although I like raptor more the eagle is better

[lusty anvil]

is this for regular mono or ndm

[buoyant hinge]

i see barely any difference btween the two

starapter is faster but uhhh braviary is a bit bulkier ig XD

[buoyant hinge]

probably both

maybe for ndm i could do mega lopunny instead of uhhhh maybe maushold or porygon 2

or khangaskan

[lusty anvil]

kang is banned

m lop would be the go to option most of the time

there are instances where ppl run double birds

[lusty anvil]

if its for sv mono then the problem with normal is just the many bad mus it have in this metagame. The lack of key mons / moves on certain mon is what sets it back in the long run of its capabilities. Staraptor losing Defog + Roost, Blissey / Chansey losing pivoting in teleport and overall the type being linear in the build is what makes it pretty meh. Its hard to utilize Balance Normal or even HO as it just loses to so much. difficult mus your force to utilize ditto as a lead to see if you can get a momentum off of a force swap from the opponent or they stay in and sack their wincon. Hazard removal options are non existent as braviary is utterly bad and terapagos is good on paper but most of the time you rather utilize better coverage options for this metagame. Maushold can be a sweeper + hazard control via tidy up, but the overall problem is this metagame its hard for frail mons to setup and over use of Rocky Helm / Flame body, etc. makes maushold bad overall. Hazard stack is a pain to deal with on normal and everyone in they mama is utilizing knock off. Every type has a solid way of breaking normal hard which makes it hard to build a comp.

[lusty anvil]

Overall this is hard as it comes down to really preserving hisuian Zoroark to break Dragon while also finding a way to break / wear hisuian goodra down. With the lack of pivoting, Ursaluna cant effectively pivot in safely and break the cores and even then its a guessing game rather to click facade / headlong against the comp which will overall put you in a back burner.

your options for speed control is limited as you either do t wave blissey + ditto as a pseudo control which allows you to have a strong breaking core in specs hisuian zoroark + guts bear. You can do Scarf Zoroark, but then you cant break nothing and steel mu becomes utterly more shit. Or lastly you do gimmicky trick room normal for speed control but again its inconsistent

[west swallow]

https://pokepast.es/894b43258329fd95

thoughts?

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[lusty anvil]

oh its the rmt i help u on the forums haha

overall do you have any troubles during testing / laddering

[west swallow]

nice! i just wanted more thoughts lol. team performs well, just still struggling against poison. clodsire in particular

[lusty anvil]

vs clodsire its more so of wearing down via hazard chip and playing the long game with the team. you can do like balloon on tinkaton to force out clod most of the time

[balmy stream]

fairy mono, ew

yeah uh weezing does nothing here @west swallow

what the - ok these are so random and niche at best

god,vlet me just change what I'd change in a goddamn paste

[balmy stream]

lots of wacky ideas making ival weakest link here maybe I don't need speed control maybe I want choice scarf healing wish enamorud then swords dance ival or mixed ival

.., testing this

gosh why does enamorus not have earthquake that would so cool

[west swallow]

i agree, super power enam with eq would be ridiculously strong

thanks for the revisions though! i’ll have to try it later

is the lack of priority not an issue? i used physical ival for the great priority. also, i’ve found that without the weezing i lose to hazard stack teams like rock, water, dark, and bug.

[balmy stream]

wait I have a better version

someone rmt'd me

wait

@west swallow

Ninetales is trash apparently

spikes better

slower screen setting for both to go up ok

also just better type etc

prankster too

I was just modifying ur team+I have fairy mono

I think it's trash and overrated

good mons with no synergy

fairy is so overrated

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you want defensive teams on fairy mono btw

this is suboptimal and forcing it imo

I do like making hyper offense on any monotype but poison, dark and fucking fairy just don't cut ho so easily imo basically

as few examples

literally needing screens to make ho work... ew.

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[waxen tapir]

whops

https://pokepast.es/840a21d029bebfdb accidently sent the wrong, anyways is it good?

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[lusty anvil]

Wall by skarmory or tbh any physical wall hard

Remove moon or bisharp or lokix for gren or darkrai or hoopa-u

[waxen tapir]

oh ye that's why I felt I was forgeting something, I switched moon with gren

[lusty anvil]

For this particular dark team especially with lokix I would opt to run defog over toxic on mandibuzz to help preserve your lokix better.

[waxen tapir]

the team still feels like an instant lose to any fighting or fairy team

[lusty anvil]

Because u needed greninja to help against the weakness. Having both bisharp and lokix makes it susceptible to those weakness and even so it’s already are hard mu cuz, yanno common natural weaknesss

U need to be agreesive with meow + gren to make progress in the mu and not play too passive

You also have no play rough on meow, so I advise u to run that over u turn

[gloomy vapor]

Greninja can actually down up fighting teams it threatens them greatly with extrasensory

Also it’s a small recommendation but I would opt for play rough over U-turn I just found dropping U-turn more useful these days

On meow

As another way to threaten fighting but it helps with other types too like dark mirrors

Oh boomp said that already hehe

[waxen tapir]

still isn't pivoting kinda necessary

[lusty anvil]

not every team needs pivoting

and even then you have slow pivoting in mandibuzz

[fervent plinth]

https://pokepast.es/5c2f0d1e2f57c606 is screens fairy even good

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[tepid warren]

its good yes

klefki is preferred over grimmsnarl though

[glacial skiff]

Screens fairy is the main way the type is played.

[tepid warren]

and choice specs is better on flutter mane

[gloomy vapor]

Also if you run tinkaton you should have thunder wave

Over swords dance

You para stuff like gholdengo courtesy of mold breaker

[fervent plinth]

oh i actually had that but lowk just thought it wasn't worth the momentum loss

anyways thx yall

[south copper]

ya if that was sd like pickpocket is nice with balloon too, gliscor is a pain and keys is usually just added back most times and has competition w keys

[fervent plinth]

sounds good will test later

[storm zephyr]

https://pokepast.es/49144e33079f6f45

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[storm zephyr]

Is this team any good?

Gen 8 Monotype

[ivory quail]

I am bad at Pokemon and monotype but the main two things I'm seeing is that your team is super screwed by ice moves, particularly special ones, and defog on corv seems a bit redundant with 4 hdb

In general a special attack absorber seems necessary here

[amber radish]

https://pokepast.es/b75489f57d7c139b does woger make more sense then urshifu here? urshifu is nice for the priority & speedcontrol and also being able to just click surging strikes but woger would make mirror matches much easier and more coverage in general. if i swap to woger, what should i put priority on?

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[lusty anvil]

hi hi overall both are interchangeable on this particular build. I think what you have rn is solid and me personally i dont really like prio + scarf on one mon i think its pretty redundant as you already utilizing speed control via scarf. so utilizing that + another form of speed control which also does meh damage will feel wack in the long run. I would rather utilize a coverage move than jet. If its working for you then i wouldnt change whats been working for you.

As for the team overall, you dont really need priority on the team especially since this is a rain based team and your main goal / purpose is to really abuse the hell out of rain and punch holes / sweep with barraskewda. This particular team doesnt need the priority so if you wanna utilize ogerpon over shifu for the mirror then thats perfectly fine. Also helps vs the ground mu when the weather wars start to get annoying af

[amber radish]

btw liquid ooze or rain dish on tentacruel? ive had a few plays with liquid ooze coming in clutch against opposing woger or primarina, but in the long term does the sustainability of rain dish make more sense? and for the woger does the normal SD 3 attacks fits here right?

[lusty anvil]

Would just do liquid ooze and yes 3a spd oger

Sd *

[brave pecan]

I cant say sht but i dont like that Togekiss set

mabye because it never worked for me

also you might want twave

[exotic geode]

Hey @proper matrix, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9nationaldexmonotype team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1060037469472555028 instead.

[mortal garnet]

https://pokepast.es/21c880ab4ee47ff1 Hows this team that got me to 1602 ELO?

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

[tepid warren]

its good, i think you can put uturn on corviknight and articuno instead of body press / substitute

up to you though, if youve been liking bp / sub thats fine

[glacial skiff]

I think having a secondary pivot would be nice. Not a big fan of solo Torn pivot.

[mortal garnet]

Aight

[waxen tapir]

https://pokepast.es/753dee5a72e2ac7d is this good? still feel like a victim to any ice beam

[exotic geode]

New [Gen 9] Monotype RMT @gloomy vapor, @pulsar harbor, @quasi rock, @frozen hornet, @glacial skiff, @limber basin, @stable zinc, @tepid warren, @lusty anvil, @south copper. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.