#Monotype Rates

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glacial skiff
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Spectrier.

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Also Dragapult.

south copper
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You need to have speed it’s the best type where you can run two fast slots

glacial skiff
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Not running Flutter though is a massive throw.

south copper
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^

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It’s the mon that makes up the archetype it has no momentumn

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U are reliant on hazards and gholdengo thunder wave and misc wisp to get choke points

glacial skiff
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On this, you should at least be dropping Golurk as you've already got bramble and it pairs much better as a hazard support (keeping ceru's sash intact)

south copper
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Fast mons in flutter pult spec always capitalizes and u need flutter mane to cover in damage output and matchup coverage in its move selection

glacial skiff
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I would also drop Zoro-H personally. You've already got 2 Shadow Sneakers and Wisp Spectrier is a generally great special setup condition to win which without Flutter, you really need.

silk schooner
glacial skiff
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Yeah, but if you're going to run that you would honestly just go offensive bramble.

silk schooner
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got it

lucid oyster
exotic geodeBOT
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tepid warren
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looks good to me, id recommend will o wisp over solar beam on ninetales and changing to either max hp or max defense but thats a personal preference

lucid oyster
stable zinc
red kite
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Ghost mono

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I've genuinely won alot with this team

devout rain
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also, for a team full of spinblockers, you have no hazards, which seems like a missed opportunity

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finally, which team archetype is this?

glacial skiff
# red kite Ghost mono

Team could use some work. Notably it's got gas but doesn't have the engine to really use it.

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Pecharunt for example works better as a parting shot support to bring it's teammates in than a raw nasty plot sweeper due to poison not being a particularly complimentary STAB to ghost making it easily checked by special wall such as Clodsire, Alolan Muk, and Hisuian Hoodra.

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This team also looks like it would get completely bullied by opposing Choice Specs Dragapult/Flutter mane along with choice scarf Roaring moon/Meowscarada/Gholdengo quite easily as you lack a good way to reliably handle them as they can easily outspeed and just slam you with damage, especially as they are all commonly paired with hazards preventing Ceruledge checking them with its focus sash and CC.

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Ground as awhole also looks real bad as I don't see a single thing that wants to face Excadrill clicking EQ, at the very least Gholdengo should be running an Air Balloon to attempt to play around the likes of choice scarf landorus and Excadrill.

frozen sky
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imo Mimikyu should have drain punch

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red card is usually ok….?

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but it gains no merit

red kite
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I made the team for fun but I'll take the advice

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Plus my competive knowledge is basically zero

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I just team build for the heck of it

red kite
devout rain
red kite
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Maybe i should try to fix it

red kite
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This might be worse

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I just used "random bullshit! go!"

devout rain
# red kite This might be worse

choice specs protect doesn't make any sense
replace icy wind and protect with something like tbolt, mystical fire or power gem

red kite
glacial skiff
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Flutter should be moonblast, sball, tbolt, pgem for the most part.

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DPult was better before, Specs with physical setup doesn't function at all.

red kite
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I also add special moves to DPult

coral frigate
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nevermind

red kite
coral frigate
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power gem is good coverage against them fires

red kite
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New mono type team but probably worse then the other (threw stuff together from smogmon guides)

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glacial skiff
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A dragon team without both steels (archaludon and Hisuian Goodra) is basically unviable right now.

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They provide such vital defensive support overall that not using them is a major problem.

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I would probably drop Chomp and Kommo-o for them.

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Pult should have Shadow ball > Phantom force and Draco Meteor > Dragon Pulse.

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And for my money, Latios is better than Latias and should be expert belt as this gives you a really strong flying matchup (thanks to boltbeam)

exotic geodeBOT
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quasi rock
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The mons you have are mostly fine but their sets really arent meow

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You could check the smogon dex to see what works

tepid warren
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yeah to put it bluntly the sets are pretty bad

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go here to get better sets

quasi rock
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For instance, steelbeam rest ghold likely has lower damage output than just using make it rain (esp since this doesnt kill you)

dense solar
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alright, ill work on new sets then

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ty

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appreciate it

lusty anvil
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use the smogdex, comeback when you optimize it

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😄

tepid warren
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the composition is fine like neko said but sets can be improved for sure

lusty anvil
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we can take a look

dense solar
lusty anvil
# dense solar https://pokepast.es/bb6756a555df1a93 is this any better?

you getting there but we can still make it more better.

  • if running revaroom especially on steel i would just forgo setup and just Choice Scarf since the main reason your utilizing revaroom is to doink the ogerpon formes which can be a pain in the ass. You can also role compress and make it run toxic spikes as well which can better Steel's hazard stacking playstyle.

  • Heatran set is weird and not really optimal. This mon is the saving grace thanks to flash fire being able to come in on fire types attacks for the team. You are also running Max attack heatran whereas heatran prefers special attack evs. but this comp would prefer either just an offensive spread with max spa max speed evs or a Special defense set would better off fit the team. we can also slot stealth rocks on heatran so skarmory can just run Spikes. For this comp i prefer a special defense spread. Normally i would utilize magma storm if pairing it with taunt to effectively trap walls annoying to steel comps.

  • pretty straight forward setup drill however you want to hit hard while being fast so a simple max atk max speed jolly nature is more better. also mold breaker is nice as this allows you to just doink the lati twins trying to swap in. however i would swap drill out for iron treads here as we have a strong setup / win condition in Plot Gholdengo we prob prefer the speed treads provides for us. Right now we are weak to landorus which is a huge pain in the ass for us. Treads can remove it thanks to ice spinner.

  • Gholdengo set is fine, again just changing the evs tbh.

  • Just removing brave bird for whirlwind as thats nice for forcing out setup mons that can become a pain in the ass. we also slotted in spikes since we will be having stealth rock on heatran

  • arch set is fine but we are utilizing special attacks so max special attack, max speed is what you need. also changing foul play to t bolt as water mu can be a pain in the ass.
    https://pokepast.es/e4881fb44394704d heres updated!

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honestly steel so flexible with the sets it want to use. if revaroom not doing shit i would swap it out for like scizor / bisharp or a spd wall like hoodra

dense solar
blazing mica
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https://pokepast.es/d5eb8679427d0def

Bug type Mono which I made, performed well until about 1.4k elo but i got tired and stopped (i beleve it can go further though) These are my observations

Usually Kleavor is in the lead and sets up stealth rock, but if the opponents type resists, I usually go for another move to get massive damage with kleav’s 400 attack with sharpness

Bulky Scizor with metal coat and bullet punch helps to stay alive while setting up and to defog if needed. Sometimes it 1hkos fairy types without any setup and with 1 or 2 sword dances can sweep non bulk invested mons U turn to guarantee a safe pivot while dealing very good damage.

Volcarona is here as its overpowered, no explanation

Choice banded lokix can outspeed with webs set up and first impression does massive damage, if not 1hko. This also counters the resists with tinted lens and can get rid of items with knock off. I know that i have to switch after first impression, but with either bulky scizor and araquanid which cover many weaknesses, it’s safe (and volcarona too)

Araquanid with custap allows it to take bulkier mons and setup mons down with it, and sticky web helps a lot, as after hazard clearers are knocked out it ensure most of the team outspeeds the other. Water bubble boosted liquidation also does a ton of damage. (Edit: Also very bulky)

Slither wing checks for steel type resists and can be a setup mon, with bulk up and flame charge. With its high special defnce and hp bulk, after a bulk up, it becomes a wall both specially and physically, while being aboe to pack a punch.

These are just my observations and I’m open to criticism or feedback, please let me know if you have something to say!

exotic geodeBOT
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glacial skiff
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Its good, but it can be pushed further more in power I think.

blazing mica
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Listening

glacial skiff
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Custap araq is fine, but boots enables it to come in multiple times per game and set up webs without having to take hazard damage which it really wants to avoid as its your only form of bulk right now.

blazing mica
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i use it for defog

glacial skiff
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Fair. But as your form of hazard removal, Scizor isn't great.

blazing mica
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I couldn’t find another good hazard remover but do you have any suggestions

glacial skiff
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You don't want it removing both your webs and your rocks forcing you to get both kleavor and Araq back in to set them back up.

blazing mica
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Thats one issue ive faced

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Especially against archaludon

glacial skiff
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Forretress is very good. It provides spin and can provide slow pivoting with Volt Switch.

blazing mica
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Ive had it on my team but ive replaced it

glacial skiff
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I'm personally not a fan of Slither wing.

blazing mica
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I did lose to the only steel tyeo mono ive vsed though

glacial skiff
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Volcarona can shread through basically every Steel-type outside of Goodra-H and Heatran which are not fond of Kleavor's Close Combat nor Lowkix's power.

blazing mica
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I had slither wing set up with +3 attack but I got drsgon tailed by a goodra hisui (i couldve close cmbatted)

blazing mica
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but whenever i tried to set up it dragon tailled me

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and i coukd barely do damage because of its buok

glacial skiff
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Goodra-H isn't that bulky physically so you're main way to remove it is laying on the physical damage.

blazing mica
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i knew i shouldve close combatted but. i was afraid i was gonna be outsped

glacial skiff
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Forrtress can also help with this with Body Press and Spikes.

blazing mica
glacial skiff
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I'm a big fan of this personally:
Forretress @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe

  • Spikes
  • Rapid Spin
  • Body Press
  • Volt Switch
blazing mica
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I see

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Should I remove defog from scizor

glacial skiff
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Yes.

blazing mica
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what should I replace it with

glacial skiff
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I think Scizor should generally be running Swords Dance with Bullet Punch, Close Combat, and then a coverage option like Knock Off, Dual Wingbeat, or Trailblaze.

blazing mica
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Oh

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Close combat

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yes thats a really good one

glacial skiff
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Scizor should also be at minimum, 136 speed.

blazing mica
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should I keep u turn

glacial skiff
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This outspeeds Adamant Azumarill.

blazing mica
glacial skiff
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136 speed EVs*

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I think SD + U-turn isn't great right now for Scizor.

blazing mica
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i have 0 evs on soeed

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31 ivs

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166 speed

glacial skiff
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I think this would preform better for you.
Scizor @ Metal Coat
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Bug
EVs: 120 HP / 252 Atk / 136 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Swords Dance
  • Bullet Punch
  • Close Combat
  • Knock Off
blazing mica
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what does knock off cover again

glacial skiff
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That being said, if you wanna run Trailblaze, you would run 56 HP / 252 Atk / 200 Spe instead (outspeeds Urshifu-R after a trailblaze)

blazing mica
glacial skiff
blazing mica
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i havent seen a toxapex yet

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ill try ur set and see how it goes

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so kleav at lead still.

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?

glacial skiff
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Generally depends on matchup.

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For bug the general leads are Araq, Kleavor and Forre.

blazing mica
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When should I use which

glacial skiff
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Kleavor is nice if you want to get rocks up early and do fast pivoting with U-turn (run U-turn over X-Scissor)

blazing mica
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i got it choice scarfed though

glacial skiff
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Forre is nice for a slow pivot and araq can just be good to get webs up quickly.

glacial skiff
# blazing mica i got it choice scarfed though

Yeah, and U-turn is nice for keeping up momentum cause people will switch in a kleavor check, get hit with U-turn, and now be looking down a mon that checks their kleavor check instead.

blazing mica
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Keep choicd scarf?

glacial skiff
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Yup.

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Its the best scarfer on bug.

blazing mica
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Ok

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ima go try it

glacial skiff
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I also strongly recommened running Psychic > Morning Sun. Morning Sun works better on bulky volcs but offensive Volcs really want the damage and Psychic is good for slamming Toxapex and Iron Hands.

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And running Jolly > Adamant on Lokix so you can outspeed Gholdengo and the base 85s like Hisuian Samurott.

frozen sky
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i know Pex is the main issue

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but i feel like there’s more

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maybe Amoongus?

glacial skiff
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You really want it to slam Pex, but its also Volc's best move for hitting Dragonite, AV Iron Hands, and Clodsire.

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You don't care about Amoonguss, you click Flamethrower and you're done with it.

frozen sky
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make sense because Volc has no other way of touching dragonite

keen sparrow
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hi i posted this in ou, and they said it would be better to ask for help in another category so thats why im reposting

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i'm making a team where i try to avenge the bug gym leaders by using pokemon they use in their teams (I full evo'd and changed the movesets), im new to competitive so this is what i came up with: https://pokepast.es/2f343fc39fc42f43 looking for some suggestions or if the super bug gym thing really is a lost cause

exotic geodeBOT
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Hey @keen sparrow, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9ou team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1297721195604611163 instead.

gloomy vapor
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Change the paste to mono that’s why it says that but I’ll be happy to look

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So honestly speaking this bug team has suboptimal sets only semi normal set is lokix everything else is really off. I would highly suggest looking and reviewing the bug sample team.

keen sparrow
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thats on smogon, right?

gloomy vapor
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Yes

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Bug always leans toward more offense btw

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They are never defensively oriented

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That’s one example of the samples

glacial skiff
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Bug really leans into Sticky Webs offense as its only real viable archtype.

keen sparrow
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ye but i heard araquanid is good for rock and fire

glacial skiff
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Only for Fire.

keen sparrow
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so thats why i also put defense stuff for it to tank hits

glacial skiff
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Rock is much more comfortably handled by SD Scizor as the type lacks a comfortable switch in to it.

gloomy vapor
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Scizor is your wincon vs rock

glacial skiff
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Araq runs phys def naturally through the main webs sample set anyway (ID was a cope for Gouging Fire)

keen sparrow
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should i drop leavanny then? two 4x weaknesses can't be good for a screen setter

glacial skiff
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Yes.

keen sparrow
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ok i decided to replace it with eviolite scyther to keep the theme of all pokemon must be from a bug gym leader, or should i find something else to keep a screen setter?

glacial skiff
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Screens + Bug isn't really a great combination.

gloomy vapor
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It’s webs or nothing

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Tbh

glacial skiff
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Yeah.

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No bug specialist gets volc which is such a huge problem as Volcarona is about 50% of the reason you would even consider running bug in the first place.

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Volc is still legal in mono btw.

iron pelican
exotic geodeBOT
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glacial skiff
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Mostly a lot of item changes and few Moveset/EV tweaks.

lusty anvil
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Hey for starters you don’t need both moonblast and dazzling gleam on flutter mane, take gleam off and add t bolt

glacial skiff
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As outside of Gengar, the mons are fine.

iron pelican
lusty anvil
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Mystical fire is weird rn, you can just add power gem over m fire as fire is a annoying type in the meta game rn

iron pelican
lusty anvil
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Gengar only Nicee as a lead on ghost rn

glacial skiff
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Gengar stuffers from just being worse Flutter mane and spectrier.

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Both are faster and hit harder.

lusty anvil
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Av is shit on gengar as the mon is frail af

iron pelican
lusty anvil
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So you either dedicate it as a lead or swap it out for froslass or bramble

iron pelican
glacial skiff
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I like Froslass as a spikes suicide lead personally.

lusty anvil
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Nah power orb wouldn’t be better

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If you want a suicide lead mon use froslass

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But your team is pretty ground weak as well

iron pelican
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Okay so I'll use frosslass for setup

glacial skiff
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Gengar is only good with a focus sash trying to setup tspikes. And Froslass has the far more impactful hazard for this role.

lusty anvil
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Well not really a free setup as ur not getting no value out of gengar that much in this tier on ghost. Gengar just kinda throws out t spikes and just ko

iron pelican
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What else should I put on flosslass besides tspikes

lusty anvil
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You got like 3 options, replace it with froslass for spikes lead, golurk has rocks so your basically hitting everything or just compress with brambleghast

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Froslass has spikes

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Do like ice bean, spikes, last two up to you. T wave, taunt, d bond

glacial skiff
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Lass should be Spikes, taunt, destiny bond and I like Ice beam personally but others get use out of stuff like Taxel or Wisp.

iron pelican
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Okay thanks

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Do I need to change any other items ?

lusty anvil
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Uhh you don’t need loaded dice on pult

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Darts always hit twice

iron pelican
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Ah okay

gloomy vapor
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This is also quite slow

glacial skiff
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With that pult set, that makes it a choice scarf threat more than anything else.

iron pelican
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Okay I'll change it

glacial skiff
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Gholdengo should be air balloon as right now you don't have any real plan into a ground type that wants to click EQ so this gives you something.

gloomy vapor
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Scarf pult would help the painful ghost mirror though

glacial skiff
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I would also run an EV spread of 252 HP/152 Def/104 Spe (bold for Ghold) as it can give you a way to actually break Poison with right now, you're not gonna have a good time against.

iron pelican
gloomy vapor
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Tera banned my g

glacial skiff
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Tera is banned in mono.

iron pelican
frozen hornet
iron pelican
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Oh

gloomy vapor
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Also I recommend adding brambleghast > spec

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I don’t really feel spec is needed here

iron pelican
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Okay

gloomy vapor
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It gives you hazard removal and a one way to deter spin from stuff like tusk

glacial skiff
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Blaze, this is ghost.

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It's immune to spin.

gloomy vapor
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Oh I know I mean like the rest of them might be reluctant to switch in but yeah I know

iron pelican
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So I'm keeping spec then

gloomy vapor
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IMO

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Because ceruledge should be sash anyway

glacial skiff
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True.

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Honestly, just don't run Froslass and run brambleghast instead. Lass + bramble is fairly redundant and bramble supports ceru better.

gloomy vapor
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I don’t think you’re to pressed about running close combat either since this is ghost and you already overwhelm stuff like ting lu with spikes + flutter main

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On ceru

glacial skiff
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We can still keep spectrier while throwing Gengar in the bin.

gloomy vapor
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That is true

iron pelican
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Okay

glacial skiff
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Everybody wins, except Gengar.

iron pelican
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Lol

gloomy vapor
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My goat gengar is bad now 😭😭🙏🏾

glacial skiff
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Bros been losing since gen 7.

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Ate the stand on the ground cookie and never recovered.

iron pelican
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I wish he had a better ability

gloomy vapor
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Peng do you think flutter should have psyshock

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For uh clod

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Or something

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Just came to mind

glacial skiff
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Psyshock in my honest opinion isn't to big of a worry on ghost.

gloomy vapor
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Fair enough

glacial skiff
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Against clod it's kind of just slam with damage and it will die eventually.

gloomy vapor
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Makes sense

glacial skiff
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While Blissey is Ghold food.

gloomy vapor
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Certainly

glacial skiff
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And those are psyshock's two main targets.

iron pelican
gloomy vapor
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Boots on bramble, poltergeist > taunt on ceru, and air balloon on dengo

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Then should be good after that

iron pelican
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okay thanks

gloomy vapor
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Np

keen sparrow
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should forretress be used as a hazard setter? mine has heavy slam, stealth rock, toxic spikes, and protect

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idk if i should use rapid spin or thunderwave if i want it to be more for offense, and idk where to add sticky web

gloomy vapor
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It should have spin yes

keen sparrow
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ye but spin doesn't get stab for forretress so it does no damage and removes hazards

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not saying removing hazards is bad but it just does no damage for me

gloomy vapor
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It’s essential to have hazard removal it’s not really about damage it’s making it easier for other teammates or your opponents just freely stack hazards on you

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Bug is not really a type you can be picky with Pokemon slots and move slots

keen sparrow
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yeah but rapid spin doesn't hit setters like frosslass

frozen sky
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it wants to preserve its sash

gloomy vapor
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Not running spin simply makes your bug team worse

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You can do what you like but the advice has been given

frozen sky
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there’s NO saving it

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Unless Game Freak buffs it somehow

keen sparrow
# frozen sky bug is bad in general

yeah, all of that is true, bug is very bad, but thats why i like to make teams with them, bug is my favorite type for normal playthroughs, i just like the designs

lusty anvil
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the team is just hella slow and loses to alot of threats

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items and evs need to be optimizable as well i would just use / take a look at the bug sample team

gloomy vapor
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It’s not the Best but not the worst either

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Has good matchups into stuff like dark and fighting

frozen sky
keen sparrow
lusty anvil
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ohhh kk

tardy lotus
glacial skiff
# tardy lotus

This ain't a great mono dark team.
You're lacking any of Dark real important mons such as Ting-Lu and Meowscarada with the mons here ranging for decent to unviable for the current mono meta.
I would highly suggest looking at the dark samples teams and the viability rankings to get an understanding of good dark mons.

frozen sky
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dark could use the damage reduction

glacial skiff
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Dark doesn't really have that many great mons that really want grimmsnarl to function.

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Since most darks only have the one SD mon relying more on hazard stack and choice items to break.

stable zinc
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Screens dark is fine (can watch my LTWC vs trich to see it in action) but you certainly need ting lu and you need to stack setup mons like bisharp and still need gren and meowscarada

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Incineroar and spiritomb are not good mons

glacial skiff
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Yeah, but compared to standard Dark, its a lot more of a fish than standard and only one mon here, Moltres-G, abuses it.

frozen sky
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especially with Fighting being VERY popular right now

glacial skiff
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They stack hazards, use immense pressure, and in the fighting MU, you don't care much for your SD threat.

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Stuff like Hoopa-U, Extrasensroy Greninja, and Meowscarad are what you're using there.

frozen sky
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i see….

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does Meow carry play rough?

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highly doubt it but it wouldn’t hurt to ask

frozen sky
glacial skiff
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Specs/Scarf.

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Scarf outspeeds the entire type, specs is funny nuke.

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Also Meow doesn't really need play rough.

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Fighting has a rough time switching into Flower trick from either regular or banded.

frozen sky
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i could be wrong though

glacial skiff
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It does, still not fond of taking like 42% minimum upon switch in.

frozen sky
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that’s fair

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i wouldn’t either

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especially considering Hands has to try and leverage its time out on the field

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not to mention avoiding status that make its usage numbered

wise furnace
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Yall got suggestions for a good mono bug team

frozen sky
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If it has Volcarona, it has good winning chances

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Scizor too

wise furnace
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I mean if it’s volcarona no duh

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Could golisopod and scolipede be any use?

frozen sky
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also no

exotic geodeBOT
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frozen sky
frozen sky
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STOP

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I WASNT CALLING THEM YET

quasi rock
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Scoli can have a niche in NDM

frozen sky
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Car you don’t need to see this 💔

quasi rock
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Z + SD is nice

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Ok

wise furnace
frozen sky
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a niche is like

wise furnace
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Haven’t played pokemon in a bit

frozen sky
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something that’s ok

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let’s say that

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it has use but there are better options

quasi rock
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SD Earthquake Liquidation + one other move with Waterium

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It nabs kills at +2 Liq with Z or +2 Eq with Groundium

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Speedboost too means its harder to revenge after

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Golisopod also has a niche but I dont like it

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Its basically a bulky spiker for bug with first impression

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Which is cool compression wise since you dont need to use forre or lokix

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But lokix is good, so why not just use him

frozen sky
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Also

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Araquanid is a better water bug

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overall

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sets webs and is pretty bulky

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can set up as long as hazards aren’t around

glacial skiff
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Araq doesn't really care about setting up.

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It just wants to set webs and piss off fire-types.

frozen sky
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oops

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but yes. it does that

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also Scolipede isn’t that great tbh

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sure it has the offense and speed

quasi rock
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I meam

frozen sky
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but that’s it

quasi rock
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You dont need mons to be amazing

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Its ok to be not the best of the best, its not trash and can definitely have teams

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(I dont know what a Goliso team coupd look like tho)

frozen sky
quasi rock
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Thats basically the sample

frozen sky
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since i’m not using the birds

glacial skiff
quasi rock
glacial skiff
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So they might have a golis bug, but that's it.

quasi rock
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Water golis is easier to stomach because

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Meow meow meow meow >:(

glacial skiff
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Pex Pex Pex Pex >:D

quasi rock
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CB thunderpunch.

frozen sky
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ew

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neko no

quasi rock
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Why is it never neko yes

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😭

frozen sky
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you don’t think boomp shows me the concoctions you make?

glacial skiff
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She was forced to build psychic in SV. Let her have fun.

frozen sky
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absolutely not

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we’re in the presence of viable Kantonese Slowbro

frozen sky
quasi rock
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Show us a few then meow'll, boomp, or pengy will tell you

frozen sky
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💔

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OK HERE ME OUT. AV METAGROSS

Metagross @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Atk / 92 SpD
Adamant Nature

  • Meteor Mash
  • Earthquake
  • Ice Punch / Thunder Punch
  • Bullet Punch
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this EV spread maximizes Metagross’ offensive prowess while also making sure it isn’t hindered by its SpD. Ice Punch is optional to hit Landorus and Hippowdon, because we need thunder punch to scare Toxapex.

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i usually like pairing this with corv

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since it can handle its (Corviknight’s) checks pretty well

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along with its own

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actually this can fit well on either Psychic or Steel, though i prefer steel since i mostly use it there, but

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i’ll leave it up to you to decide what it would fit better on

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@quasi rock though i’m more certain this is steel ready

wise furnace
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Hmmmmm

south copper
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this doesnt rly do much tbh rocks are a lot better

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psychic likes berries and u should be paraonoid of dark and ghost, its actually winnable with just x2 fairys or just have 1/2 colbur

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latios and etc does the boltbeam role and deo s, and hoopa has knock tbolt

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its easier to prep for playing tho

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this set feels like its focused on metagross individually where its kinda not rly the main picture in the metagame on paper u want to make sure ur teammates are valuable on a general standpoint. psychic hates hazards, metagross revenge kills flutter but iits just not beating a ghost team ykyk

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dragon is a s tier type with roaring moon, pult, and starmina archaludon and roaring moon (is on dark teams this validates colbur so its not hyper focused on just one mu) and pult (is on ghost/dragon. same reasoning).

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less atk means ur boosting metagrosses stamina which means ur gonna get chip damage regardless

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comparing meta to jirachi and bronzong is also a thing u have to do and just looking through resoources so ur understanding what ur individual team needs

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maybe something like scream tail wish twave + hatt cm + and colbur/kasib + Knock Off Metagross + Stealth Rocks + av hoopa-u

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gl tho

undone egret
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frozen sky
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you want a safe way to escape plus you already have answers to electric and grass

lusty anvil
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volcanion doesnt learn volt switch man

frozen sky
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wait i’m thinking of Alphabet cup

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bye

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😭

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i was building teams for people earlier

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don’t mind me

frozen sky
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i think AV primarina is fine here…?

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pex is fine

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i’m not a fan of steam eruption

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i think that can be something else

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@lusty anvil is that everything?

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i wanna make sure i’m not wrong

lusty anvil
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im helping rn and some of your suggestions are not so good

frozen sky
glacial skiff
frozen sky
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how so?

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i’m not saying pert is like

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bad

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because it’s not. but how does Swampet fit HERE

glacial skiff
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Flip turn.
With multiple offensive threats, Swampert's ability to get them in safely with Flip turn is super nice.

frozen sky
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fair

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in that case

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actually

lusty anvil
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ya i help them over in natdex other tiers channel

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its fine

frozen sky
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oh

lusty anvil
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i know your trying to help but if your not really familiar with the tier / moves and sets you lead to false information and confusion

undone egret
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Hey, my friends and I are doing a tourny of Netdex monotype with a few changes,
I can pick 2/3 of those 3 restricted: Iron Bundle, Baxcalibur, and Chien-Pao. This is the team I made so far, would appreciate any advice https://pokepast.es/980c347b42f7f11b

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frozen sky
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they’re both banned in Nat Dex mono

undone egret
frozen sky
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bundle should opt for taunt with this team imo

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encore doesn’t give it too much momentum and taunt can hinder pokemon that want to status it

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i think we should rework that Kyurem set a bit

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since its special, i think it can run Modest specs

Kyurem @ Choice Specs
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Tera Type: Ice
Modest Nature

  • Ice Beam
  • Freeze-Dry
  • Draco Meteor
  • Earth Power
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wait

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why does the cetitan have no third invest

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@undone egret

undone egret
frozen sky
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i think it’s safer to go SpD

undone egret
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Will do!

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Anything else you suggest to tweak? I feel like I got too many ice users

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And not enough covers

frozen sky
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so far everything looks good

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with the changes

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i’ll let one of the QC handle anything else they wish to change

undone egret
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Ty!

frozen sky
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no problem

worldly canyon
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This is my first time doing team build.
For context the friend tourney im in is monotype double
The rules are Either 1 paradox/future or pseudo legendary pokemon
No repeating type so no Azumaril and Primarina on one team.
https://pokepast.es/a798995289405912
This is what i made for my mono fairy team.
I'm having issue trying to make a team that can deal with most other mono team especially fire and steel.
Would appreciate any kind of feedback for future team build.
Oh yeah Iron valiant was suppose to have booster energy (not banned in the tourney im in) and would lead with florges

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worldly canyon
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Mb i had the wrong link LOL should be the link for monotype format now

dark jungle
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!nolegends

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frozen sky
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^

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especially since those specific rules don’t help fairy out at all

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you’re gonna have to pick a different type

vivid gate
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frozen sky
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also um

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so your ground (iron treads) answer has occa berry when you have a heatran

vivid gate
frozen sky
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that’s not gonna save it

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you’re gonna have to scarf it

lusty anvil
# vivid gate https://pokepast.es/ff4027fb13a25cfb fun team

sup, looks like a fun team to use haha, i think occa berry treads + ability shield heatran is OD. I feel if your scared about fire mainly (especially firepon) i would just keep ability shield heatran and just utilize like another item on treads. boots, band, air balloon can be options.

  • i think scarf mirror coat is odd. you prob want like t wave honestly. it helps as a back up check vs offensive mus and when scarf arch is gone then your speed control is fucked so i rather do t wave over mirror coat. i would only utilize mirror coat sturdy if im running heavy duty boots on archaludon
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team lacking immediate power, i would utilize band scizor over SD or change ur gholdengo to specs here

glacial skiff
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Double removal on steel also isn't ideal. Corviknight if you're running it would generally prefer to be a Iron Defense/Bulk up set.

lusty anvil
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that as well

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you can get away with bulk up corvi here over defog

glacial skiff
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Treads generally handles removal well enough with the only time you really want Corv defog is against like Ghost which even then, there is an entire Gholdengo so thats not happening.

vivid gate
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Reason I have 2 removal because I want to keep sturdy on archaludon to dealing with spectrier

lusty anvil
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well again

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spectrier is paired with gholdengo

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ur not getting rid of hazards consistently

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so instead of crutching ur build

glacial skiff
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Spectrier variants also a lot of the time run sub.

lusty anvil
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lets make it stronger in other aspects

vivid gate
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Ok

frozen sky
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also i think you want Hisuian goodra somewhere

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Heatran the best with SpD

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since it’s typing leaves to be undesired especially with no Air balloon

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so you should probably take something out for it so heatran isn’t too compressed

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Steel without Hisuian Goodra usually isn’t viable, especially if you’re running phys def corv which normally paired with it

lusty anvil
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With this comp u don’t need hisui goodra if ur already going for spd wall on heatran + having scissor as your 6 slot for more offensive pressure.

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The build is fine, just needed changes in some items and moves

frozen sky
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i personally don’t like it since it’s makes the team more Ground weak

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but that’s fine i guess

lusty anvil
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that is ur opinion

frozen sky
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see now i’m gonna ignore this bait.

red flare
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red flare
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National dex btw

lusty anvil
# red flare https://pokepast.es/9a77ee5467d9294c made a dark type mono hyper offensive just ...

a good start, but could be better yeah. you would just start off by removing a muk here. big momentum sink on what your trying to accomplish while just wasting screen turns. Instead, i would add in Mega Ttar in that slot. Would make Moltres galar hold a Z move to really wallbreak better. Would swap around the items on meow and greninja. would make meow scarf here and greninja specs. If your not sure about greninja tbh or its not performing well. would just add in Swords Dance Hisuian samurott. only problem with that is now we are really solely on Moltres G as our special breaker which could be a pain in the ass later on.

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its ho dark in ndm so its a hit or miss, have fun!

red flare
lusty anvil
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ur welcome fam have fun and goodluck!

waxen tapir
lusty anvil
# waxen tapir https://pokepast.es/41c13cac9b8bbf92 good for a starter?

ya tbh, looks good, would change aqua jet on scarf shifu for ice spinner. i would add in specs greninja over quay quay for immediate wallbreaking. hazards shouldnt really be a issue for you as you have botts on your important mons while also having wishturn support with alomomola, bettering the teams longevity.

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well done

waxen tapir
lusty anvil
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yeah its good here

waxen tapir
# lusty anvil yeah its good here

I won't lie I kinda want to prepare all teams from all types before actually trying to use them so I can randomly play one I just started with water since it's generally has more options, next is flying

lusty anvil
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yeah thats a good approach tbh. you can also check out the sample teams to get a feel on what to look for

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or look at the vr, set comps

waxen tapir
lusty anvil
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then you will go far with building here if thats like a rough draft of one of your builds

waxen tapir
lusty anvil
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put lefties on corvi, want iron head to doink flutter mane. want stealth rock on either lando or gliscor so you can pressure shit better. maybe do DD 2A Roost on dnite since your rain water mu is pretty dire.

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hm specs gren just claim lives each time it comes in on this team

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prob gotta mess around with the core a bit and see what you want.

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theres like 2 or 3 routes you can go tbh

waxen tapir
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I'm kinda torn whether I should make DD dnite with EQ, ES and iron head or a tera blast fairy set

waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
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Yeah specs gren is really dire

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I really feel you benefit more from having an articuno > torn

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This also prevents you from auto losing to kyurem

lusty anvil
waxen tapir
waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
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While scarf can out speed all it takes is one well timed double switch from your opponent and you find yourself sacking a Mon

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And av torn is slower and takes rocks

keen sparrow
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can someone help me with volcarona? Idk what to drop for psychic or bug buzz, I usually leech off ogerpons with sunny day with morning sun, and substitute then start stacking quiver dances, then i attack with fiery dance, so far its going alright, but then i realized flash fire is an abiliy that i need to account for, what should I change?

frozen sky
lusty anvil
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thats about it

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if your volc is doing fine as it rn, dont change it. unless u are really losing to heatran which i doubt

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but you would more likely drop sub there if anything

frozen sky
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exactly

lusty anvil
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for one of the moves

keen sparrow
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im not, just wated to ask what to drop for coverage moves

frozen sky
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so drop sub right now

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ur not touching Heatran

lusty anvil
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u would drop sub if its dire

keen sparrow
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wanted* lol, i cant spell today for some reason

lusty anvil
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if ur doing fine rn

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keep the set

frozen sky
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this IS dire

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this has no wincon

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why are we keeping sub.

lusty anvil
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there is 3 wincons on this team

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im surprise ur not using scizor @keen sparrow

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is there a reason why not

keen sparrow
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ok ill change sub, should i replace it with bug buzz or psychic?

frozen sky
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two die to the slightest touch of any meta typing rn

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and 1 requires set up

lusty anvil
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its ho bug

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its frail

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but thats not changing the fact that on this paste we have 3 wincons

lusty anvil
keen sparrow
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specs*

lusty anvil
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tinted lens specs is funny at times just inconsistent

keen sparrow
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yeah i get that

lusty anvil
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but the psychic vs bug buzz

frozen sky
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Yanmega is fine but since it’s running specs you have to be VERY very careful bringing it in

lusty anvil
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is up to u

keen sparrow
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ok i will go change yanmega and add bug buzz

lusty anvil
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gl and have fun

keen sparrow
lusty anvil
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you also want jolly kleavor for the mirrors

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and night slash to not be completely walled against night slash

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gholdengo i mean

keen sparrow
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what should i drop for night slash then?

frozen sky
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Volc bullies dengo

lusty anvil
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u just drop trailblaze

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u dont really need it

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close combat over u-turn on scizor to hit archaludon better

frozen sky
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+1 232+ Def Archaludon Body Press vs. -1 120 HP / 0 Def Scizor: 213-251 (68.4 - 80.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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btw

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@keen sparrow Scizor should be choice band

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better KO chances

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if it survives the cc then scizor is cooked though

vivid gate
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lusty anvil
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sup

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ok so why do you use the set lol

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feels like im back in gen 7 lol

quasi rock
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AV Ting feels so off

lusty anvil
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hold on cat

vivid gate
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Gren for surprise flutter
Darkrai taunt make it sit on the wall easier
Hoopa for… emergency fairy sweep and sometime able to use it ability
AV tinglu is for more tankiness

lusty anvil
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let them explain rq

quasi rock
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Just do max attack on AV Ting unironically so it would be a menace

quasi rock
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Unless you wanna add a hydra/Hisu Samu there

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Also the atk invest av ting might not be a terrible idea, check calcs imo, you might as well kill them if you wanna tank them mrrp

lusty anvil
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yeah i deadass would just go max attack at that point, i feel this team really wishes it has hazard support, instead of having to rely on constant pressure to force progress on

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ur also hasty on gren for some reason

vivid gate
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I forgot to change it nature

quasi rock
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I think ebelt gren might be better than cb too

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Low kick/Rslide/+2

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You would be able to better pressure cores that way I guess

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Also lets you have more gliscor answers, as you dont have lots of them rn

vivid gate
quasi rock
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Ability: Protean  
Tera Type: Water  
EVs: 28 Atk / 228 SpA / 252 Spe  
Hasty Nature  
- Low Kick  
- Rock Slide  
- Ice Beam  
- Extrasensory```

This is a possible gren set for instance (cuno gets donked by 28 evs in atk, or was it hoodra? Meow forgor)
quasi rock
glacial skiff
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Honestly, Rai is better off running wisp instead of taunt. Most of the big special walls in the tier that people use to check Darkrai (AMuk, Hoodra, AV hands) aren't too devasted by taunt but do not want to get slapped by wisp.

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The only special walls left are like Cuno and Bliss but they get donked by Gren's physical options.

vivid gate
quasi rock
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Up to you Ig mrrp

vivid gate
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Ok

glacial skiff
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Scarf meow OHKOs flutter anyway.

frozen sky
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252 Atk Meowscarada Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flutter Mane: 229-270 (91.2 - 107.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

oops

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if the Knock Off fails to kill then grass cat dies

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scarf Flutter kills Meow also

quasi rock
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You forgot its sig move

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Scarf FM would be handled by AV Tinglu

frozen sky
waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
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If your going to run a bunch of mons that take hazards I suggest doing a team with Mandi> sab. Also moon is also not that great on dark outside of specific teams I would advise adding meow over it as that gives you munch better speed control

waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
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Yes much better

waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
waxen tapir
vivid gate
glacial skiff
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Running both Sludge Wave + Psychic isn't ideal on Landorus, you would prefer overall to run Focus Blast > at least one (I say Psychic personally as Landorus is really good as smashing through Primarina with Sludge Wave)

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This should give you a better Orthworm MU and overall a better MU into other types like Normal and Dragon.

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Also run Jolly > Adamanat on Excadrill as with Ada Drill you're slower than Choice Scarf Meowscarada which is a big problem and Poison Jab > Counter on Clodsire to prevent it from being walled by Sub threats that do not fear EQ like Sinistcha and Zapdos.

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@vivid gate

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glacial skiff
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The general Z-Move abusers there for Dark are Hydra, Molt-G, and Weavile from memory.

red flare
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aight gotchy thanks

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Fire kind of just accepts Rocks are going up and tries to deal with them generally through Cinderace Court change.

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The Volcarona set is also less than ideal for Fire with Volcarona generally preferring to be a bulky variant to get insane healing through Morning Sun and just be a major problem to actually check.

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Yes.

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Ace > Molt.

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Molt is only good on sunless as a pivot.

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Flamebody on Heatran and bulkyvolc can generally get the job done and Wisp on Ninetales also works.

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Ye.

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Actually, Horn Leech > Trailblaze on Pon, Horn Leech is honestly disgusting and kind of checks most Water-types super well.

waxen tapir
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I'll consider it , still without trailblaze it can be outsped on a sweep

gloomy vapor
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It’s very annoying to deal with even for dragon teams

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Wisp Volc is standard bulky volc but with Wisp > Psychic.
Cause everyone has their own customized Volc spread at this point.

gloomy vapor
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So true

waxen tapir
gloomy vapor
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Ok we can’t wait every team my friend there is a limit for a short period of time try to test out the ones you made after some time pass someone will give this a rate

frozen sky
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take Gliscor out for Mamoswine

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lusty anvil
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ok so first off

frozen sky
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this dies to Meowscarada,

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hm

lusty anvil
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and what was the goal of the team

vivid gate
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I want a balance team

lusty anvil
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ok so what are you struggling with tho

frozen sky
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^ since this isn’t rain

vivid gate
frozen sky
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hm

lusty anvil
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if anything fam

frozen sky
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i think you might want to remove swampert

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Dragonite isn’t your biggest issue atm

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imo

south copper
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Heyyyyy

frozen sky
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greninja bullies dragapult too

south copper
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who needs help tonight? lets take a look!

frozen sky
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so that’s fine

lusty anvil
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so um lets not drop pert

south copper
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heya boomp and rodent 😄

frozen sky
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hi kiru!

lusty anvil
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as that makes the team insanely more bad

frozen sky
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what do you mean.

vivid gate
south copper
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ice beam toxapex is a favvv you might want another attack usually. Pert feels super good here yes! I've seen boomp used a really nice basculegion + slowking core before with blizzard and the extra chip for goodra-hisui is nic

frozen sky
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well since we’re keeping swampert, take Slowking out

south copper
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how long have you been playing the tier 😄 ?

lusty anvil
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as i told you b4, i understand your trying to help but if you are not comfy and familiar with the meta and sets, then you lead to false information and confusion. you told them straight up to remove pert with no reason behind it and not suggesting a a different ground water mon

south copper
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Hmm i really love slowking also hm

vivid gate
lusty anvil
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but back to the rate

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thats good

frozen sky
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well!

lusty anvil
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normally your play around d nite is basically trading toxic / haze with the pex

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and go from there

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slowking here seems like the weakest link tho

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although its dope im really tryna see what ur struggling with cuz rn

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the build on paper is fine

frozen sky
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…

lusty anvil
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it would be more so of how u pilot in battle

frozen sky
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please just take it out

lusty anvil
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so for instance

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u say vs pult ur struggling but like u have a scarf hisui samurott which just deals with it. if its scarf pult as well or ur not sure, thats where you swap out and scout

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if its dd pult hiding behind a sub

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u have a pex with beam + haze to break the sub and 1v1 it

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yanno

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so im just tryna see what is the real struggle

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Ok

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Another thing is banded meow

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Cuz I don’t khow it scarf or band

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oh band meow ya

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thats where u scout it with pex

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do u use the dmg calc

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Yes

frozen sky
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Well

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we might need something that lives FT and threatens it back

lusty anvil
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u have a pex that lives it

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and pressure it out

frozen sky
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it’s just gonna keep coming back in.

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you also just hazard stack against dark

frozen sky
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there’s no point

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and u keep going back into ur pex

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that is why it is a wall

vivid gate
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yeah thats just band meow

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u just posion jab it at that point

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hazards wear it down

frozen sky
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Band is easier to exploit

vivid gate
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Ok

lusty anvil
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and thats the mu

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its just moreso on understanding the mu then ur actual build

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cuz as i said b4

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on paper this should be fine vs those threats u mention

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just in battle

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normally pex is running p jab

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for that

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but then ur afraid of pult

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which i get

frozen sky
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it just depends on how you play it out

vivid gate
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Ok I just only need a some smart play

frozen sky
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Dragon is too it’s manageable with the changes

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like for instance beam vs p jab comes to play here where you are weak vs meow or pult yanno

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dark and dragon as a whole hates hazards overall

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putting meow and them on a timer benefits you

vivid gate
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Ok I should get a rock on pert then

lusty anvil
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if ur afraid of dragon really i would do like av or cm primarina over slowking or some shit like that haha

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yes

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over beam

frozen sky
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or you can opt for Ogerpon-W

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hits like a truck but Primarina is bulkier

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however you have to be careful of status

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and i can’t stress that enough

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I am pretty sure with 252 defense bold toxapex, the most you get out of banded flower trick would be around 52% max if not less, and around 40 min

vivid gate
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But crit always grants it close to max

frozen sky
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I’d suggest taking ice beam off pex and adding Poison Jab

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Helps by a long shot while giving greninja more means to abuse Protean Ice Beam

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Plus if you’re scared of Meow, Poison Jab is your best form of hitting it head on

vivid gate
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What about sub DD pult

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i mean

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you have quite a bit to break the sub

vivid gate
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Ok

frozen sky
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Primarina just sets up on it, or kills it right away if AV

vivid gate
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Ok thanks for the suggestions.

frozen sky
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you just have to play really carefully

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otherwise your team is pretty much great

frozen sky
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after toxapex

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You have many options before you

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Band Urshifu makes it scared

frozen sky
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i’m SURE it does more than 50

frozen hornet
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Pex is there to check risks like Meowscarada both band and scarf, how did ting lu come about?

tranquil lodge
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they have been nuked from the comp sections, sorry about that

frozen hornet
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Thank you

south copper
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THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

vivid gate
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Oh I forgot something I still scared about freeze-dry

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But this guy goes over slowking tho

frozen hornet
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Good morning

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Very fun team, I love dragon teams!

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Some things I could add to improve your team just a bit are

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Dragon's main plan for removal is to say "fuck it, I'm going to remove the hazard setters".

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Leftovers Goodra with Protect, as with Assault Vest I personally feel is more of a timer and can be taken advantage of more. Protect also scouts for certain things like which move Meowscarada is going to use, Flutter Mane, Possible Choice Locked Iron Valiant, while also letting you recover small increments of hp.

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For Archaludon I can advise running Draco Meteor or Flash Cannon over Iron Defense for a bit more push of damage.

waxen tapir
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For Goodra, a good set is Heavy Slam, Knock Off, and Dragon Tail! Allowing you to remove heavy duty boots and forcing out pests like Articuno or Tornadus Therian or even Dragon mirrors

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I like the pult, you could ideally change the latios set if you want to abuse thunderbolt & ice beam with expert belt

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Also stepping in myself real quick, I would run Ice Beam > Tbolt on Latios. Right now you lack a good way to deal with Ground-types at all which very much block Raging Bolt from doing its job.

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And running EBelt like Irys said here can also be nice as you do have double priority which can make up for the lack of a scarfer.

frozen hornet
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Overall the team is good, but these small changes can make it even better

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👍🏻💕

waxen tapir
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Archaludon isn't a good check to Flutter Mane.

frozen hornet
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Flutter outspeeds and threatens to OHKO with Specs Moonblast and even if you live, you don't OHKO back.

frozen hornet
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Flash cannon is more so you can threaten other Fairy-types like Iron Valiant and Clefable well along with preventing you from being hard walled by Ghost- and Poison-types like Dragapult and Amoonguss.

waxen tapir
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Booster Energy is banned in Monotype.

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Also just switch 4 from Spa to 4 Def on Hoodra and run Careful > Sassy along with Timid > Modest on Latios.

waxen tapir
glacial skiff
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Yes. TL:DR to keep booster legal the mono council would of had to ban Flutter Mane, Iron Valiant, Roaring Moon, and Iron Boulder.

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And that was what the council saw as problems when DLC2 dropped, realistically Raging Bolt and Iron Crown could also be issues with Booster so its better to have Booster banned to have more mons legal than ban all of them for an item.

waxen tapir
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Yes, Flutter Mane by a solid majority of the community is considered a problem.

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Not surprised, neither way thx for the advices

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No problem.

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vivid gate
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Matcha gotcha in sinitcha was hex

south copper
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u get more value off specs flutter

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if u want kasib u usually do like dengo/lurk (just not flutter)

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pult should just be spe+ with 252? i dont think u rly need boots

south copper
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are u building around something in particular?

gloomy vapor
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You should just commit to offense here tbh

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Going all in on defensive ghost is setting yourself back

vivid gate
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Poison does the status spam thing better

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A lot better

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Ghost is just let’s get it hit hard

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im going to link the sample teams and viability rankings for the tiers. you want to moreso think about openings in the metagame like stun spore sinistcha is perfectly fine

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If you wanna do hex stuff you can do like pecha but ye

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Sinistcha @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Heatproof
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 252 HP / 160 Def / 96 Spe
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Calm Mind
  • Strength Sap
  • Hex
  • Stun Spore
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i recommend doing something like this

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my approach was i dont wanna think vs:

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Yeah that thing is lol

south copper
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has scarf. av (even it lives a hit w av) and u always accept spikes, but

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Even sucker punch sd

south copper
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like blaze said its pretty much explotiing offense

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Is like

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My two ghost teams but the bottom is typically how ghost look

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Sets with flutter ghold pult can be customizable depending on what you want

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(Pecha has no item for poltergiest users)

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This is a solid start but isn't great overall for a Poison team.

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A few of my big notes:
~ No Secondary physical wall (Poison really wants Moong, Pex, or Pecharunt on the squad)
~ Glowking set isn't good.
~ Having both Glimmora and Iron Moth with neither of them being choiced so their both fufilling similar roles.
~ The bad Unburden Set for Sneasler. Short is, Normal Gem Fake Out strips you of having either a form of setup or vital coverage making it far worse overall.

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When it comes to Sneasler, you should run this if you want Unburden:
Sneasler @ Air Balloon
Ability: Unburden
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Close Combat
  • Dire Claw
  • Throat Chop
  • Swords Dance
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This gives you a solid role even in MUs you can't get unburden in thanks to being able to come in on Ground-types, still enables Sneasler to do its normal jobs (checking the Ogerpon formes and Iron Valiant with Dire Claw) and hits hard.

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Drop Glimmora, personally speaking the mon is a fraud, and I would replace it a Rocky Helmet Toxapex as right now you lack anything to help into Water and Pex does well into basically all Water-types.

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Finally for Glowking, you would realistically wanna run Future Sight, Ice Beam, Chilly Reception, and either TWave or Slack Off if you want to run a reception set or go with the standard AV set (Future Sight, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Earthquake)

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I personally prefer AV > Chilly reception myself as its a good strong check into Latios and Kyurem.

waxen tapir
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Don't worry, this is the one type I'm kind of allowed to gush about so I can try and push it into something better.

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My only other change is dropping Sub on Moth.
I think Sub Moth it isn't great right now and is generally better off with utility options like U-turn or Toxic Spikes.

waxen tapir
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I think Bunker is only good when ran with Infestation.

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I would also run Timid > Modest and Discharge > DGleam on Moth and Rocky Helmet > Boots on Pex.

waxen tapir
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Discharge is Iron Moth's only real way to hit Fire-types outside of running Sludge Wave. Also while EBall is good for Water, Discharge is your best way to cleanly remove Pelipper and actually threaten Toxapex and Empoleon.
Also Para fishing is Para Fishing, sometimes it helps.

waxen tapir
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No problem.

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There is only like 3 things that stick out to me as not great on this team.
Archaludon should be Draco Meteor > Flash Cannon.
Corviknight should be Skarmory.
Iron Treads should run Knock > Iron Head.
Also I personally like TBolt > Focus Blast on Gholdengo.

waxen tapir
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Ghold blocks Defog anyway and that hard walls Corv.

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And against Fairy, treat with BP Scizor and Make it Rain Gholdengo, its gonna struggle heavily into those two.

waxen tapir
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Yeah.

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Fun team! Although I don’t particularly enjoy the Urshifu set as you can just utilize Swords Dance + Close Combat better than Body Press.

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I’d suggest taking Wild Charge off and adding Thunder Punch as you don’t want to lower your health to the point of no return with Drain Punch on Iron Hands

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As it’s meant to be a thick Spdef wall with Gallade

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I’d also suggest a more defensive build on great tusk with stealth rocks. Hazards are always nice

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The sneasler set can be adjusted to be an unburden sweeper with Air Balloon + Swords Dance

vivid gate
glacial skiff
# vivid gate https://pokepast.es/c9a75f283bdbf312 Maximum offense rain team.

While for a kind of standard structure this is close to fine. There are a fair few missing elements.
Just some simple stuff is.

  • All out offensive rain isn't good as you lack any good way to bring in your best rain breakers and any sort of plan outside of, attack, which can lead to certain offensive or defensive Pokemon being neigh unbreakable, notably Dragon looks like it would feast on this team as either Raging Bolt, Kyurem, or Latios looks like it would have a field day here.
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Going through the mons themselves.

  • Barra really likes being Jolly > Ada as you can get the jump on other threats outside of rain, notably Flutter Mane, Iron Valiant, and Sneasler along with running Psychic Fangs > Poison Jab to actually have a way to deal with the Toxapex, Water Absorb Clodsire, and Amoonguss.
  • Kingdra really wants Timid as otherwise you're slower than Roaring Moon and Choice Scarf Meowscarada which are huge problems. I also think you should run Surf > Weatherball as while the higher damage is appealing Surf actually does things outside of rain and is good into the other weather MUs. Kingdra also really enjoys Ice Beam > Hurricane as Kingdra can OHKO the Oger formes anyway with Specs Draco (or Specs Surf if its Oger-H) while also allowing it to hurt Water Absorb Clodsire and Wind Rider Brambleghast.
  • Both really want their Choice Items to maximize their damage, especially Kingdra who's natural typing can enable it to take emergency hits from Meowscarada and Raging Bolt (Very important here as you have 0 ways to handle Raging bolt otherwise)
  • Pelipper wants to be bulky as it likes to Slow pivot the real breakers in.
  • Eject Button Toxapex and Swampert would provide a solid backbone as well with Pert being able to set SR to chip down CB Dragonite and Skarmory whom can be mild annoyances while Eject button Pex gives a bulky mon that be a good one time pivot along with being able to handle Meowscarada should rain not be up.
  • For the last, I think SD Samurott-H actually works best here, Dragon is a huge issue and Samurott-H is a good Dragon breaker thanks to Ceaseless setting Spikes along with Scared Sword cleaning through Archaludon and Hisuian Goodra with cease.
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If you wanted to be a bit more offensive, possibly Empoleon and Oger-W could work, with Empo serving as a diet Swampert and Toxapex (not really good at either of their jobs, but role compression here is huge) with Oger-W also being an SD threat with Play Rough > Trailblaze just to give it something to do into Dragon.

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@vivid gate that should cover everything.

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Ok

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Double lati isnt that good

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The fastest fix here is like rm over latias

vivid gate
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I doesn’t like galar-weezing.

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Would do trick / non choice expert belt on Latios tbh if you want specs to be meowr annyoying

quasi rock
vivid gate
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Ok

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And raging bolt does lots of damage

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If you wanna keep latias tho just swap out latios

NP Hydrei isnt that bad since you improve steel mu while being annyoying to non torn-t flyings, Garchump provides you with a phys sweeper thats hwishable too, DD RM isnt explored much but can be something to think on if you'd like

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Doing a gym leader thing, rules are doubles 6v6, sleep clause, no/limited protect and recovery moves, no legends/mythicals, only one Paradox, one non-type. Help my electric gym https://pokepast.es/6acdec30da74b187

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theres not much we can do to help considering all the restrictions

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fair enough

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i guess you could do iron hands instead of raging bolt

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and do fake out

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that might be beneficial

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but yea im not sure what else i can do sorry

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np, thanks just wanted some suggestions/corrections before showdown testing, that helps

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You should have rocks somewhere tbh explosion lando is more of a complement for the mega aero playstyles I believe evaluating like that come and etc should come first and you have a celes

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Also moltres +card is not a core and doesn’t really achieve much in mono zard kinda sits on steel already too tbh I think the Galarian moltres is already overkill let me get on pc in a few and I’ll send some personal edits

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I prob should have reworded “core” I was thinking the synergy would be cool but prob better for mono fire, yeah I need a idea for the last mon

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I was thinking about a rock setter too but not sure what would fit along with flying mono, first time rlly doing matches with this mono

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@south copper alright thanks bro 🙏🏽

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I’m specifically struggling with mono poison teams especially alolan musk

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muk

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The bests ways to pressure Alolan Muk is generally Spikes from Froslass/Brambleghast with Gholdengo blocking Geezing/Glimmora removal attempts with Ceruledge and Dragapult firing off their physical stabs forcing AMuk to switch out and rack up Spikes chip.

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If you want a Spikes setter, I would drop Sinistcha here personally and replace it with a bulky Brambleghast. This gives you the Spikes support you would want along with a spinner to deny hazards to keep Ceruledge's focus sash intact.

red flare
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Also most of these sets are also just generally worse across the board than what Ghost would like.

  • Flutter Mane prefers Thunderbolt > Mystical Fire as the big problem Steels for it are Heatran, Goodra-H, and Corviknight with Heatran/Goodra taking more from Shadow Ball Spam and Corv being slammed by TBolt.
  • Gholdengo likes Bulky Air Balloon on Ghost, the set can actually take multiple AMuk Knock Offs, hard walls Clodsire/Hippowdon and Toxic + Stealth Rock Gliscor variants and uses them to setup with Nasty Plot and go to town.
  • Ceruledge needs Poltergeist as Poltergeist does insane damage to Water-types like Toxapex, Swampert, and also Threatens to OHKO offensive Air Balloon Heatran variants.
  • Pecharunt likes a bulky spread that goes itemless with Parting shot as its job is to take hits (which going itemless helps improves as it make Choice Band Meowscarada's Knock Off a 3HKO and pivot its teammates in.)
  • Choice Scarf Pult since I think Air Ghold is better gives you an incredible Speed tier and gives an offensive pivot along with emergency Will-O-Wisp/Thunder Wave status support as a last option.
waxen tapir
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Either Lorb or EBelt. I prefer EBelt personally (I'm not a fan of the recoil) but either item works.

red flare
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really new to comp here, wanna build a cool mimikyu mono-ghost team for Gen 9 OU but I don't know how to add onto this/what to change out, any help is much appreciated https://pokepast.es/26a8d83ff0b19eba ^^

south copper
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ok back had a dentist appointment

glacial skiff
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Generally Mimikyu runs a set of SD, Shadow Sneak, Play Rough, Drain Punch with a Life Orb.

hushed girder
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I see

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but I usually run a fire type to burn those out like Chandelure with Choice Specs

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Chandelure sadly isn't that great. It compete with both Skeledirge and Ceru for Fire-type slots and Flutter Mane is just, so much better as a choice specs threat thanks to its higher speed.

hushed girder
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Brambleghast looks REALLY good there, its nice to have a Cofagrigus alternative in OU

hushed girder
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OU

glacial skiff
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Flutter Mane is legal in Monotype.

hushed girder
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oh wait there's

glacial skiff
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Yeah its banned in OU, but Mono has a different banlist.

hushed girder
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a tier for that

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that's

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im so sorry im kinda lost

glacial skiff
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Don't worry, most mono mains have tried to make it work in OU at somepoint.

hushed girder
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I have seen some use in OU ngl but its mostly due to the insanely overpowered bulk of Dusclops

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But yeah, you don't have to worry about CB Tera Steel Bullet punch here. Scizor is generally handled on Ghost by throwing up some hazards early and generally trying to check with Air Balloon Gholdengo as it can take BP fairly well and threatens back hard with Shadow Ball either winning the direct interaction or doing enough damage that Mimikyu can finish it off with Shadow Sneak.

south copper
# red flare https://pokepast.es/5d73cc73051587a5 made a National dex flying mono, was thinki...

honestly tbh it kinda hard for rocks unless u have skarm so its fine for no rocks, id consider interchanging the molt-g slot and maybe variants , torn-t knock is something that comes to mind and molt z is more of a wallbreaking set , i think knock hurricane just hits good into everything with z too and u have a crystal, some ss mono comps accepted sr but just keep that in mind yk in how u should structure

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even enam came to mind, spd celes id explore also but tbh id just test it out u should win on ladder pretty easily tho

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Just looking at the team reminds me of Trichotomy's Balanced flying team from the sample thread but generally worse across the board.

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The most immediate problem I do notice as well is the lack of a special wall, a Choice Specs Ice Beam looks like it would clear right through this team with 0 remorse.

vivid gate
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What special wall should I get?

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Make Corv SpD.

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248 HP / 12 Atk / 248 SpD careful.

tepid warren
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i think assault vest tornadus is generally better

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but if you want to keep it as boots id do

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nasty plot instead of taunt

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and heat wave / focus blast instead of grass knot

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or maybe even remove knock off because you have it on gliscor as well

glacial skiff
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Yeah, that would clear through Steel which looks like to be a big issue here as nothing on this team can touch Skarmory.

tepid warren
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i mean i guess taunt technically beats skarmory but like

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yanno

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They'll just ball to Heatran or Goodra-H half the time which isn't ideal.

tepid warren
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yea lol

glacial skiff
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Landorus should also drop SR itself since you already got it on Gliscor. I personally like Crunch on 4A Scarf Landorus since it does good work into Sinistcha and Air Balloon Gholdengo whom are otherwise mild annoyances.

tepid warren
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oh thats also true i didnt notice it

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guy like me does outrage to beat specs kyurem / dragapult

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scarf rocks landorus isnt unoptimal but you do have overlap yea

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if you wanted to remove it from gliscor you could keep it on landorus and adjust that set accordingly

glacial skiff
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I also think running a mixed Def Gliscor would help here. Gonna have to calc to figure out an EV Spread real quick.

tepid warren
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Yeah, do Royal's spread.

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1st version has gliscor with rocks, 2nd version has landorus with it still

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you can mix and match them if youd like too tbh

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2nd team gliscor spread but with rocks over toxic

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not sure how experienced you are but choice item stealth rock user is a little beginner unfriendly so if youre newer id advise against it

vivid gate
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if you remove stealth rock I'd recommend Outrage, it helps you beat Dragapult and choice specs latios/kyurem

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pengairxan also suggested Crunch which isn't a bad option

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specially defensive corviknight should help more with latios / kyurem though

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up to you

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i tried stone edge myself but found that I didn't use it much

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and outrage was better for me

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sorry if im saying too much lol, if you'd like me to slow down let me know

vivid gate
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That’s all I need to change right?

tepid warren
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for landorus? yes

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if you have stealth rock on gliscor you can remove it from landorus

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you can try one of these if you'd like, one version has landorus with stealth rock the other without