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median storm
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New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

median storm
sterile elk
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i don't really see why you're playing ttar at all

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glimm doesn't feel great here too it's not the type of team where you want to have it

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you also have no defensive tr user so you need to add at least one

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i think starting with hatt hp / glowking def could be interesting

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tera fire is better on calyice

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fire fang < temper flare on tusk

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and remove ttar

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it's not that great and doesn't add anything valuable

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median storm
pliant coral
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You can definitely utilize like Pecharunt for a slow pivot or just throw Caly there and put a physical attacker like Lando-T in SpA

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I feel like in the Speed slot you wanna go with either a pivot (to bring in threats safely/fast to avoid threats under TR) or just put Caly there...something like Ttar also doesn't stand up well to the mons that SV GG has to offer when it is slow (being donated like 130 or 138 Speed from Etern or Zac might change things but that is obviously a different team lol)

pliant coral
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It’s really not good. It struggles immensely into top mons right now like gengar and normceus, and is completely shut down by most anti-balance counterplay. Pdon would also appreciate a different item like RC mentioned because you give it safe turns to get in with pivoting, and mmx would rather proof on Mbro than zyg. Balance as a whole is kind of dead in higher play, but if you’re content with ladder then I’d recommend whirlwind over spectral on slowbro, a fire move like sacred fire or fire lash over arrows on don, as well as swapping the item for either lum berry, safety goggles, or shed shell, or if you want a sketchy cook, sitrus berry to take a thousand waves from defensive mons or photon from mmx better when setting up, as Pdon is fat enough to not really need sash. Then I would recommend replacing zygarde-C with innards lunala, which is capable of dealing with many of the offensive breakers that otherwise would rip through the team. Leftovers Smash/moongeist/ two moves of choice. I like taunt and spikes or roost, which I’m proofs on Maud, but coverage to opt as an offensive sweeper over more general utility works as well. As for the mmx moves, Rc made a point above.

median storm
sterile elk
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imo

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with the fact that you kinda have to play a lot of psychic mons cuz of tr you need a dark

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going darkshifu in speed seems cool to me

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smth like -->

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HP Pivot or good tr setter + Atq Araq + Def Glowking + SpA CalyIce + SpDef Pivot or good tr setter + Spe Darkshifu

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and do not run lo araq use endure custap

pliant coral
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Honestly Spe DarkShifu sounds absolutely fire

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And it has STAB priority if needed for in or out of TR to nail the faster threats

median storm
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hold on

median storm
sterile elk
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hell nah

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bastiodon doesn't have anything going for it

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ig it's a steel type that is ice resistant and that's pretty rare in gg but other than that no

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btw if you want test lmk or chall Les2BG on ps

compact dirge
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Bastiodon is also just passive, which doesn't really fit the offensive nature of trick room
I mean it has ironpress ig but even with a massive defense stat it often doesn't do as much damage as you want as an average bp non stab move, plus once you set up you have like 2 turns of trick room at best, so just a general momentum sink imo

sterile elk
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y

compact dirge
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sterile elk
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Thats a good team

compact dirge
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Thoughts on this? Some evs could be optimized

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Ty

sterile elk
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Im not 100% convinced by speed sinistcha but its def interesting and could work

compact dirge
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I just wanted to experiment

sterile elk
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I think an other tera on glowking would be better

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I dont really see when fairy helps you

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I would go normal

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Ig the zac set is for ghostceus ?

compact dirge
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Ye

sterile elk
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Do you 2hko ?

compact dirge
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+1 252 Atk Tera Dark Zacian-Crowned Crunch vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Ghost: 278-330 (62.6 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Not sure if full def ghostceus is real at all but I just calced for the most extreme scenario

sterile elk
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Its not real yeah

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Its often just full hp

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So you should be okay

compact dirge
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Should I keep crunch?

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Behemoth Blade 2hkoes full hp so ig crunch isn't necessary

sterile elk
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I think its a decent option and yeah you can keep it

compact dirge
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Alr

sterile elk
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To dodge the wow

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Idt you need a coverage tera

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Ig if you face a lot of hooh you could try tera rock

compact dirge
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But normal it is

sterile elk
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Ye understandable

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You're not playing utility zac so its understandable

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Maybe we can change sinistcha tera

pliant coral
sterile elk
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Dope idea

pliant coral
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Off the rip it looks like a solid team

compact dirge
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Yeah ghost was kinda just a place holder while I figured stuff out

sterile elk
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Volca can be threatening here ig

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Should still be okay

sterile elk
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Fairy if you want another dark resist

pliant coral
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Just because the ability to dodge a Will-o-Wisp is huge

sterile elk
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I mean you can play options like ground or rock

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But yeah fire is so good on all physical attackers

compact dirge
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Idea: Sub > Strength Sap? Matcha could keep us healthy behind sub but like, only in specific late games where grass resists are removed

pliant coral
sterile elk
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Even tho zac is prob not relying as much on this

pliant coral
sterile elk
pliant coral
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And take advantage of that -1 Attack

sterile elk
compact dirge
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Ok

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I just came out of game where my sini got twaved so that's why I suggested that

sterile elk
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But ye anw its not that bad

pliant coral
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Hamu is Scarf which helps

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To at least outspeed Ho-Oh

sterile elk
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Lily played it w1 in ompl it was pretty neat

pliant coral
sterile elk
pliant coral
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I am wondering if you go Tusk > Exca for SpD but I mean either way you have to have SR and Spin for the role/move compression so 😦

compact dirge
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Rotom-W
Thinking back I was switching in so that was my fault lol

compact dirge
sterile elk
pliant coral
compact dirge
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how's this

light tinsel
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is this thread dead or something??

shrewd spoke
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no inheritance rater

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@winter flare u play this right

winter flare
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the team comp is kinda awkward, you have alot of set up sweepers but no real immidiate breaking power

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im not sure what the cornerpon set is supposed to do

light tinsel
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i changed the sets

winter flare
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you also struggle alot to deal with special attackers that beat ting, mons like primarina and walking wake look very good against ur team

light tinsel
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and someone else helped

winter flare
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ic

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also small things but if you have em around if give enam synthesis or encore > giga drain, and put mystic water or protective pads on urshifu

light tinsel
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comfey don't get mfire

winter flare
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giga drain is kinda useless tho

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cuz draining kiss + sp already hits everything hard enough if u get enough cms

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so its better ot have encore or synthesis as utility move

loud umbra
winter flare
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I think over cornerpon id run a different physical breaker, something like perrserker!sneasler or gallade!wogerpon. And as for ribombee if you wanna keep the trick aspect id run trick scarf clefable!primarina (moonblast, trick, moonlight and rocks)

loud umbra
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I only just added the volcanion last night
It was a gale wings moltres

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the ogerpon set has been really good
bulletproof it’s really nice to have

winter flare
winter flare
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I have been having trouble with dealing with all the mons that have punk rock boomburst with no really bulky regen pivot

winter flare
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Goodra-h is very good into that

loud umbra
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I have kingambit now which deals with zoro-h, but if it’s not zoro-h then I’m kinda screwed
this is just a me thing but I don’t like type overlap so I would run bolt as my pivot
draco tbolt knock u-turn?

winter flare
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The other problem I saw with Goodra was that it makes me too weak to dd urshifu

light tinsel
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enam

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I don’t have either of those
I think tusk bulldoze does fine into it if they haven’t gotten a dd off
if they did I just Mach
I also have gengar

winter flare
loud umbra
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reason I have ribombee clef is so that I have an offensive lead that can ruin any status moves with trick and doesn’t take toxic or rocks
I’ll try prim and see if I like it better though

keen geode
mighty chasm
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keen geode
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it's everyday bro...

compact dirge
keen geode
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🕊️

vapid wedge
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sacred oriole
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if we're being honest...not great

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got a lot of not very good mons with not very good sets

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Leaves is very weak with no boosting ability / Sword Dance

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Thundy doesn't get the full Terrain boost due to Hadron

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Jugulis really wants SFLO or at least MGLO for amp

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Articuno / offensive Grim are just bad outright, Wind Rider is very situational (but I could see like, MGLO Infernape? maybe?)

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sacred oriole
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Sheer Force Life Orb / Magic Guard Life Orb

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vapid wedge
sacred oriole
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by AAA standards with no amp ability? yes

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very

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sacred oriole
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most things are 33% stronger than their stats indicate cause of SoR / Hadron / whatever

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sacred oriole
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and Leaves is also working with low BP STAB moves

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @sacred oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd spoke
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av no regen is trolling no

real osprey
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Nah it can be perfectly fine assuming you build around it

shrewd spoke
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surely pert isnt that guy you build around av no regen

dusk pasture
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sap sipper swamp sucks yes unless you REALLY hate trode but there are better options

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to be frank the team is significantly flawed for about every set here

dusk pasture
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  1. gknot on stail is very suspect over utility like rocks/twave given it's so weak it only hits swamp
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  1. hoopa would probably prefer psyshock/np/focus over hyperspace hole/dpulse/tbolt to break regenvests and darks and idt ebelt would be that helpful vs lo for neutral calcs vs regenvests
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  1. talonflame is a very niche mon overall and you're compromising on utility by dropping roost for defog (just go roost/defog/u-turn for max utility or bu roost stabs to help setup and win)
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  1. grimmsnarl is a pretty bad offensive mon, particularly this set since it just gets giga walled by staples like corv and even pecharunt since it can eat a spunch and can wait it out
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the team just looks like a 4 loosely put together offensive mons with 2 random defensive mons that dont have much synergy

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either i would scrap a large amount of team for a concept you really want to work with and introduce a defensive core for switch-ins to threats like rmoon, aoa zama, etc* (which this team lacks) or just go full HO with webs/spikes and drop the swampert at least and probably the stail

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shrewd spoke
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nearly every serious singles team in nearly every applicable meta has hazards

rare oak
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rare oak
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sd is just for the stall mu

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never gonna click it unless its stall

shrewd spoke
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or is that banned

rare oak
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restricted yes

loud umbra
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rare oak
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maybe run uturn on mandi

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oh wait

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nvm im dum

loud umbra
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the ghold is actually stupid strong
if I do a bit of chip to the harc gouging fire sets (33%) it will win that 1v1

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thick fat also means I can switch into ice

shrewd spoke
oblique chasm
# rare oak http://pokepast.es/623195591c2d3e22 any suggestions for this sp team? currently ...

I'd recommend to replace Close Combat on Lycanroc-D with Endeavor, that way it can force a trade, which is quite neat as a lead, it'd also be ideal to swap Basculegion with Crawdaunt, it'd ease the matchup against teams with Psychic Surge while also still acting as an Adaptability donor. To ease the Zamazenta matchup you could also swap Honchkrow with Ho-Oh, that way you also have a Brave Bird breaker with longevity thanks to Regenerator, notably easing a Gale Wings slot that can be used multiple times even when slightly worn down. Moxie may seem appealing, but in practice you'll be forced out by a revenge killer more often than not

rare oak
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craws ass tho

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mon has sub 40 winrate

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its not like its better against psyterrain either, those are like 90% flutter teams

oblique chasm
vagrant flower
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i keep forgetting how OP T is in Alphabet Cup

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but there’s many ways to counter it

icy charm
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icy charm
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Makes sense I was curious why it was closed

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Fun stuff

stiff temple
mint crypt
shrewd spoke
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holy fuck actual bh rate

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we've been starving for YEARS

shrewd spoke
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also like. regenvest steela + regenvest pecharunt + prankster tina cannot make a functioning defensive core

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even if you want to make offensive teams figuring out how to not immediately lose to the best breakers is still top priority

stiff temple
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What should I fix then?

shrewd spoke
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your team as is just seems like a mashup of some balance stuff and then some weird offense stuff

shrewd spoke
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do you wanna build offense or balance

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is there a particular mon (or mons) u wanna keep

stiff temple
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Offense

shrewd spoke
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ok so offense is generally built around keeping the momentum up and playing your own game you cant rly afford to have 2 passive regenvest guys or a slow choice breaker

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highly recommend this guide by cityscapes, it goes into detail much better than i can ever do tbh https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons.3710859/post-10556533

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BH - Balanced Hackmons

did you forget about the existence of Nasty Plot

anyways about the set i think the main problem is that you are very vulnerable to status (much more than regular setup ghostceus thanks to no mg/take heart) and thus you cant setup very well. strength sap + fc is also bad here because imposter...

stone copper
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@plush flint u play this right

plush flint
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if you are going to use slaking use the choice band self destruct v-create set

vagrant flower
stone copper
vagrant flower
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that way you won’t have to worry about using Rest

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which is a BIG plus

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also I highly advise against using Victrebell with no Sun

plush flint
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also its way better than the skill swap set

sacred oriole
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Truant doesn't matter if you KO yourself

vagrant flower
vagrant flower
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which is why slaking needs to skill swap the SECOND it’s out

plush flint
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the skill swap set takes 3 turns to actually fire off a decently threatening attack against defensive walls

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the choice band set only needs 1

vagrant flower
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as long as we’re keeping knock off or something to hit ghosts

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i don’t really mind

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also i’m unsure of what Hisuian Samurott plans to do here

plush flint
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set hazards

vagrant flower
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this team looks pretty offensive

vagrant flower
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after that

plush flint
vagrant flower
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@stone copper try using Topsy Turvy Pex

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i love this format SOOOOO much.

vagrant flower
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@stone copper @plush flint made this with what was discussed here and it worked pretty well. lack of hazard removal is an issue, but it can allow Ting-Lu to almost always safely bring Slaking in and let Hisuian Samurott in to set its own hazards or attack.

https://pokepast.es/2997e166c978a29e

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Regice helps tank special attacks very well and actually goes ham with Assault vest sets too 💀

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actually

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we might need to drop something for a fairy/ghost user since that’s like 4 fighting weak mons

plush flint
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extremely questionable

vagrant flower
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i was skeptical of it at first when i made the set

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but it surprisingly works REALLY well

plush flint
vagrant flower
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since they both share the same issue

plush flint
vagrant flower
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but blissey is better

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but it adds on to the fighting issue still

plush flint
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0 Atk Goodra-Hisui Gigaton Hammer vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Regice: 344-408 (94.5 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

vagrant flower
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hm

plush flint
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252 SpA Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Regice: 174-206 (47.8 - 56.5%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO

vagrant flower
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it actually works

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well that’s a start

plush flint
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also choice band skill swap isnt good

plush flint
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because its doing nothing back

vagrant flower
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well it’s main function is a wall

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so

plush flint
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regice has none of those besides utility and hazard removal but its a hazard removal pokemon weak to hazards

vagrant flower
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i never said we can’t use blissey

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i’m just saying we need something to handle the fighting issue

plush flint
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remove ting lu imo

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pex can handle most of it

vagrant flower
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i’d prefer if we use a rocky helmet user

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too

plush flint
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pex helmet ez

vagrant flower
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you freaking genius

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you cooked

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now we can safely abuse regen spam

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and punish phys attackers

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i REALLY wish Spore wasn’t banned, because Amonguss would be GOD tier

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we can probably use a hazard remover like Torn-T

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or Corv

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in place of tinglu

vapid wedge
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sacred oriole
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This is not a team paste

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pliant coral
young stratus
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oblique chasm
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@sacred oriole is Alphabet cup looking for raters?

sacred oriole
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I don't believe we formerly stock raters for non-ladder metas, but if you see an ABC team posted, you're always free to jump in

vagrant flower
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alright

oblique chasm
# young stratus https://pokepast.es/7c19e41bbc3d345a

First of all, the EVs are all over the place, unless you have an intent for going with non max-max spreads, you should do that instead

Secondly, Magearna and Perrserker overlap in roles a lot, Weavile is outclassed by Chien-Pao and Bisharp, and Rayquaza is outclassed by Deoxys-N

I'm afraid that to fix this team it'd basically require building a new one from scratch

slim monolith
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i don't really think i can suggest changes because i don't know where to start with the changes, you just will find that this will get steamrolled quite quickly. the biggest thing i can suggest is to go back over the sets and ask yourself "how can i improve this?"

for example, mimikyu is doing no damage here and slither wing is relying on first impression for a fighting stab. neither of these are exactly impressive and you lack stealth rocks and removal, so you can probably drop mimikyu for something more useful (say physdef lando-t) and then change slither wing to something with a bit more supporting power because there's no way to make a viable set for it in revmons thanks to uturn's restriction.

keep in mind you have no zama-c answer on this team and ladder loves to spam that mon, especially with the generally suboptimal steel-type body press

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rare oak
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psychic/psyshock over hyper voice on garticuno

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petaya also seems strange

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sd is probably better than iron head on lycan

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corv doesnt really need bb, imo uturn would be better

tame gale
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Hi I am new to this server.

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How has everyone been?

vapid wedge
untold hornet
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thinking of smth like dd on dnair so i could go util clef with rocks and spikes on clod

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vapid wedge
oblique chasm
# untold hornet https://pokepast.es/e082e4bedbb75cf6 does bnb belongs here or its others?(https:...

First off, thanks Kenn for the ping

Anyways, for the first team:

  • Dragonair seems out of place, like, sure it's a stat stick and all, but a good portion of its stats aren't being used here, you'd get quite better results with Skarmory, plus that mon also adds Spikes and phazing, which is nice for a team structure like this, the team seems quite fine beyond that

As for the second team:

  • Fuecoco is a mid Unaware user, Fire has a ton of common weaknesses, and being vulnerable to Knock Off also sucks

  • Calm Mind is useless on Blissey as it has no special moves

  • Shroomish is outclassed by its evolution as it's quite faster, which is relevant for a set like this, but in any case this is more of a balance mon than something to use in hard stall

  • In any case, the team has a glaring lack of a Steel-type, which is relevant as this team seems quite weak to Psychic-types, and in any case to make this work, especially to fit in Clodsire, would require replacing half of the team, so at that point I'd recommend to just use the first team with the proposed changes instead

untold hornet
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catheart appreciate the help

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also what does skarm run cuz it has 140 in both def and spdef

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like 252 hp and 252 what?

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thanks in advance

oblique chasm
untold hornet
abstract mesa
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tame gale
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Hello everyone, how is everybody today?

mint crypt
tame gale
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Sorry amout that!

rustic blaze
umbral lavaBOT
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New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

oak topaz
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Not enough phys def

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Chomp needs one vcreate read to click blades for the rest of the game and blaze wins by getting free entry on Chansey

rustic blaze
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ok ill just make yvel fur coat, beak blast and sap

oak topaz
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You still lose to blaze if it gets a turn

rustic blaze
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what if i change yvel to fur coat koraidon

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ig ghostceus is a problem

solid stirrup
rare oak
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whats aeroblast for

solid stirrup
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blaziken switch ins

rare oak
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I feel like slotting uturn in might be better

mint crypt
shrewd spoke
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it just turns back to intrepid sword in game

solid stirrup
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yeah i've realized, but i keep forgetting to change it in the teambuilder

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ill do that now

shrewd spoke
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the imposter proofing is pretty awkward

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you kinda just lose if the imposter copies your zacian

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or your ting-lu

solid stirrup
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topsy turvy on ting-lu is usually my answer

shrewd spoke
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+3 252 Atk Zacian-Crowned Magical Torque vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Ting-Lu: 282-332 (54.8 - 64.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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i dont think this is a sustainable answer

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(this is assuming you shift gear once and then imposter switches in)

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theres also no reason to run aeroblast on pogre when you can just hit blaziken with either nuzzle or mortal spin which are better utility moves

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if you really really hated blaziken fsr earth power is probably better because it hits eternatus + miraidon as well

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psychic noise max speed is also an ok move if u wanted to keep the miraidon improof

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the other problem is that your counterplay to special attackers is pretty lackluster

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something like mega gardevoir just takes a kill every time it comes in

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or opposing miraidon

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granted you can revenge kill those with zacian but its not a long term option if you dont have something that can take 2 hits and pivot out

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short term options are ok but thats if you're running offense which you arent

solid stirrup
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Kyogre is meant to act as my special defense

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so ig i could replace aeroblast w nuzzle to help neuter fast special attackers

shrewd spoke
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especially vs some stuff like take heart arceus

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also it's very prone to getting its assault vest removed then it cant even wall anything at all

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imo u should at least make the zacian something like salt cure regenvest registeel so at least you have somewhat better counterplay

solid stirrup
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double regenvest, how daring

shrewd spoke
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either that or commit to offense entirely

solid stirrup
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i think i'll do that

shrewd spoke
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what do you wanna build around

vapid wedge
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sacred oriole
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Ability: Steam Engine  
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def  
Adamant Nature  
- Power Trip
- idk other moves maybe```
use this instead
winter flare
sacred oriole
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Weakness policy

severe thorn
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https://pokepast.es/917a65f9699eec09

Im tryna build around SD scale taunt koraidon + Revival pawmot as I’ve heard it’s pretty broken, so I wanna abuse it as much as I can before it might get banned.

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severe thorn
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Mfw

oblique chasm
# severe thorn https://pokepast.es/917a65f9699eec09 Im tryna build around SD scale taunt korai...

  • Tera Fire would be better on Koraidon as that Tera type lets it hit even harder overall out of the stacking of sun + its new STAB on Flare Blitz, plus it also patches its weaknesses to Ice and Fairy, forcing a mind game on checks

  • Gholdengo is kinda bad on the tier, so it seems unecessary to run G-Weezing as extra hazard control, I'd recommend Clefairy instead here so that it can perform as a stallbreaker with MGuard + setup, as well as a special wall as it has solid base 140 HP and 130 SpD

  • You'd want to use Quaxwell over Komala, it's less passive, has a better defensive typing, and even eases the matchup against Ground-types, which this team is weak to

  • You'd want Close Combat to pressure Steel-types on Zacian-C, that could go over Behemoth Blade so that it can still make the most of its Fairy STAB against the trend of Fighting-types, with Wild Charge still helping against fat Water-types like Toxapex

  • As said previously, the team is extremely weak to Ground, half of the team is weak to that and there aren't any resists, mons like Vibrava can just kinda 6-0 this with minimal momentum. Because of this it'd be wise to replace Deoxys, which seems out of place anyways as it's using a set that's usually seen in offense, with a resist. For this team I'd recommend Skarmory, it's a fast mixed wall that also adds a entry hazard setter to the team

Here's a Pokepaste showcasing the team with the proposed changes, I hope this is useful for you
https://pokepast.es/b5de183d41d5ac26

severe thorn
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I was thinking about Komala as it had comatose to block burn, toxic and everything else

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But since it is super duper passive it does pretty badly into everything

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I do wonder why heavy spdef on clefairy instead of physdef tho?

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Oh wait special wall

tame gale
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severe thorn
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First time I saw somebody using this feature

sudden trout
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sacred oriole
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This is not a complete team; all of the mons are missing EVs and several are missing items as well

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Additionally, several of the sets would need to be completely reworked

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Cetitan is pretty bad in a tier that allows Weavile and Mamoswine, and even if you wanted to run it, Aurora Veil and Belly Drum on the same set is not a good idea

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Three regen water types is unnecessary, they all check and lose to the same things

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I would take a look at the sample teams here to get an idea of what common STAB teams look like

sudden trout
shrewd spoke
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check rule 3 of this

untold hornet
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https://pokepast.es/e7743616c613e58e first try with team building in stabmons (its prolly kinda bad 😭 prolly wanna go smth over rapid spin on blissey like t wave cuz the team is kinda slow tho its a fat while also giving inferno parade a better buff)(also made an alterantive in the coger set https://pokepast.es/048e7498932c7863 cuz like that thing has all its other mask's movepool)

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shrewd spoke
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scald is probably better than steam eruption tbh bc it has way more pp

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also surely flip turn is bad bc u can accidentally select it while sleep talking and put yourself into a rly disadvantageous position

untold hornet
untold hornet
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what would i run over flip turn

shrewd spoke
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uhh like body press or something idk i dont play stab

untold hornet
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clodsire seems problematic here

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cuz they run water absorb here(idk why but most samples run that)

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(also which coger set sounds better / is it a good choice here just realised it should have been grav apple not apple acid 😭)

sudden trout
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(have had 2 matches, 1 the enemy gave up because they had no answer tyranitar and gliscor, second one I got swept by calm mind boomburst sylveon(I should've clicked clear smog)

sudden trout
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Third battle, Imma just go back to haze, Damn steel types

mint crypt
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mainly pex

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latios is scary for your team, I'd say ting-lu over clod to give you a second knocker and spikes, you'll only have two removers but like, you still have two removers. It drops your poisoner but you have good burn spreaders.

cold fiber
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Format: Bad n' Boosted

What is good about this team? What needs to be fixed?
Furret HAS to stay! This is NON-NEGOTIABLE!

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rare oak
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uh can you just send the paste

cold fiber
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rare oak
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salazzle has more bulk than arceus so sash isnt needed

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taunt is also a requirement on dd sets

cold fiber
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Woah, I didn't know that was needed

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So Knock Off isn't needed for Salazzle's Dragon Dance?

rare oak
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or pjab

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dd toxic taunt fire lash is a decent set as well

cold fiber
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I dunno... Poison Jab seems like pretty essential STAB for Salazzle, and Knock Off is a pretty essential coverage/utility move in today's Metagame

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Although, Black Sludge could work, for obvious reasons

rare oak
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lefties>sludge

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tera exists

cold fiber
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Trick exists, too

rare oak
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if you want to run a good tera and not take 12.5% every turn then run lefties lol

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also trick barely exists

cold fiber
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Although, why taunt? I know why Toxic could be beneficial to corrosion users

rare oak
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ho-oh, skarm (+1 fire lash doesnt do a ton), pex, dozo, clef, caly, oorth, certain deo sets, ribombee, tera frosmoth, ndm, haze gweezing, opposing salazzle trying to toxic, cloyster, twave persiana, and some niche stuff that i cant think of rn

cold fiber
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Ah... so Corrosion ISN'T obsolete on Salazzle

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cold fiber
rare oak
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ig consider bisharp over gambit

cold fiber
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Why Bisharp? Doesn't Kingambit benefit from the boosted speed, better in general stats, and Supreme Overlord ability?

rare oak
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the extra 100 bst certaintly helps

cold fiber
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Kingambit also gets Kowtow Cleave, too

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Bisharp can't use Kowtow Cleave

rare oak
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throat chop is kowtow cleave with 5 less bp

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*that also stops skarms roar

cold fiber
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Oh... point taken

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cold fiber
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This team is already lookin' better

rare oak
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having some speed on bisharp could be good

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speedcreeping some mon is always nice

cold fiber
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cold fiber
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So like this?

cold fiber
cold fiber
cold fiber
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cold fiber
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Slightly updated the Furret

oblique chasm
# cold fiber https://pokepast.es/b25e3a752bcd9dd1

I may as well just rate the "final" version of the team to ease the process
Anyways, the team is quite underpowered, only Bisharp and Vibrava are up to the power level of the tier, after all remember that the tier has a power level even higher than Ubers as 700 BST and above mons are the norm

Besides the several ways I could slander Furret (see the pictures for the stuff it competes with)...:

  • Cramorant is outclassed by Pelipper, its access to Drizzle reduces its passivity while also enabling it better as a Koraidon check, but if you need hazard control, then you'd want to use Quaxwell instead, it has a good support movepool and significantly higher stats to keep up with the tier, although given your persistence at using Furret you may as well capitalize on its role as a hazard remover and just go with Pelipper instead

  • Skeledirge is redundant with Salazzle here, and the team certainly doesn't need an Unaware mon as this isn't hard stall, it's also a fraud anyways as its stats are too low for the tier. Given that the team is leaning into offense, I would recommend Ludicolo here, it adds another Ground resist that also makes the most of Pelipper's rain, easing the matchup against opposing offense teams as it outspeeds the entire metagame under rain thanks to Swift Swim

  • The team doesn't need Focus Sash nor Assault Vest, as explained previously the Pokemon are too bulky to really use Focus Sash in practice, and Assault Vest doesn't increase the bulk sufficiently to be viable, especially not in a context that doesn't include Regenerator for its actual long term use, most notably this has led to a swap on Salazzle from Focus Sash to Heavy-Duty Boots

  • Vibrava is more of a balance Pokemon, so it's out of place here, it'd be ideal to replace it with Dragonair, who has the mixed bulk to find easier chances at entering the field, and has colorful coverage as well

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  • Bisharp's EVs are inappropiate, given that it outspeeds most of the metagame it'd want a Jolly nature + max Atk and Spe

  • Salazzle does not need Toxic in a Dragon Dance set, it'd appreciate more Poison STAB, and it'd also want a Jolly nature as being outsped by Pawmot sucks

Here's a Pokepaste with the resulting team from the changes above, I hope this helps
https://pokepast.es/f42a43a8d03dce40

Do note that the team could be far better if Furret was swapped with something else, it's really passive even after a Tidy Up boost, and there's several Pokemon with the same innate power and stats to a +1 Atk and Spe Furret without even having to setup, additionally the team could also go for a rain-less approach if Quaxwell is used over Pelipper, although I'd be building a whole other team at that point

cold fiber
cold fiber
oblique chasm
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Gunk Shot can still poison Poison-types with Corrosion

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Which can be notable for the Toxapex matchup

cold fiber
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I guess...

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Also, on Furret, I might not need Body Slam. It's too weak, and I could swap it out for a coverage move like Play Rough.

I was thinking about using a move like Fire Punch or Brick Break, but if I wanted to break down those pesky steel walls, I've already got Super Fang. Play Rough is a good coverage move with decent power.

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It annoys me whenever opponents use Body Slam, they always paralyze me first try. even without Serene Grace

But when i use body slam, they NEVER get paralyzed!

oblique chasm
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The thing is that Furret's stats are too low to be viable even in an OU context with the BnB changes
If anything you'd want to use it as a special attacker, but then that'd have no real use for Tidy Up bar hazard removal, maing it even worse, hence why I really recommend replacing it with something else

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cold fiber
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I AM NOT REPLACING FURRET!

oblique chasm
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!arbitraryformats

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cold fiber
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Coil could work. It's got spectacular defenses

oblique chasm
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At that point just use Bulk Up Arceus

cold fiber
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Absolutely not. The whole point of this team is to use Furret to it's full potential. So if I'm trying my absolute hardest to make Furret viable, it's for a reason

oblique chasm
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If you want to use Furret there's Gen 3 PU, it's A+ rank over there

cold fiber
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Gee, I guess this chat just hates having fun, then...
"You will play OUR WAY, and you will LIKE IT!" ahh takes

oak topaz
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Oh not this guy

strange cradle
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if you do not intend to listen to said advice, do not post here

cold fiber
strange cradle
cold fiber
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Yet "No being creative" and "No fun allowed" are apparently the rules you like to live by for whatever reason

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What do you guys have to gain from this, anyway?

oblique chasm
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The thing is that Furret has no roles that it really does better than several other Pokemon in the tier

strange cradle
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not whats happening here

cold fiber
strange cradle
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m'kay

oblique chasm
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I'm a council member for Bad 'n Boosted
I've been across several suspect tests, made a sample team, and even made multiple comments about the metagame

severe thorn
untold hornet
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thanks

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do they run psysyrike or psyshock

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cuz clodsire was the member i least wanted to change (for obvious reason)

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😭

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tho would prolly run ting 😞 also how does that coger set feel it seems unconventional but in theory it should work

mint crypt
untold hornet
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🥀 oh:(

mint crypt
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but I think you should test and see how it feels

untold hornet
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oh whats a smart one (cuz i get to keep clodsire clueless )

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is it smth like shore up/ruin/knock/salt cure?

mint crypt
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sup/knock/salt/4th

untold hornet
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fat doesnt need any speed control right?

mint crypt
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not usually

untold hornet
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ok

mint crypt
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scure is p nice for taunt stuff

untold hornet
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tysm chili(or polenta 😭) sorry if i get it wrong

mint crypt
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stone axe 4th would let you free up space o bliss to run like BB

untold hornet
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bb is boomburst?

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cuz 75 spa doesnt seem that great (tho its a 210 bp move)i take my words back

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maybe axe works

mint crypt
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it 2hkos some special attackers which otherwise can be annoying, and gives you a way to not be shut down by taunt

untold hornet
untold hornet
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pliant coral
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Gimme a minute and I will look it over and rate it 🙂

untold hornet
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😢 its just 6 good tier mon with sample sets all in one

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would prima work>tink here pweading(i like prima)

pliant coral
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Prima could work and it pivots a bit better

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But arguably Tink has the better defensive typing

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Also I'd recommend investing into Def on Uxie to be able to take physical hits better

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You could also go with Colbur for Knock Off reasons

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Also I recommend Spikes somewhere on Meowscarada

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Hazards are really good in a meta where Boots are not the top tier item

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And even then you have Knock Off support anyways to get rid of them lol

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I personally like Knock + Leaf > Pulse + Flower Trick on Meow but that is moreso personal preference than anything

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You could also try Overheat on Cyc > Knock since you have Knock on Goodra but your choice as well

untold hornet
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catheart i will do that tysm

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is the meta just those good tier mons or the names arent self explanatory

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i havent tried it cuz the ladder isnt out yet rn

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anyways thanks mewheart

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also should i run rocks on treads so i get more hazard or is it a dumb choice clueless

pliant coral
pliant coral
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Ladder is only if it wins OMotM which it is ineligible for atm

pliant coral
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Only thing Rocks hits that is relevant is Uxie

untold hornet
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oh ic ❤️

untold hornet
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reguardless thanks for your help , appreciate it love

shrewd spoke
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hey at least you have irl friends

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🥲

untold hornet
pliant coral
untold hornet
untold hornet
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https://pokepast.es/e29b6e537474074a so em i read to rules and looked through the resources(but then i only saw like bans/tera tier list but then those r like 2023 or pre dlc 2) prolly stall is a safer option ig on a tier idek what is good in it( well so i just grabbed the top tier teras and place it on mons that should fit it with like dark for sp and ghost for idk immunity if i ever need it)

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rare oak
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note: if you send dozo out first then it will be using ghost type curse and kill itself

untold hornet
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oh i forgot about that prolly i would go bp in that slot then

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thanks for the info

proper lotus
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where can i see all complex bans for mix and mega

real osprey
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there are no specific complex bans that I can think of but you can find the banlist & other stuff here https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/mix-and-mega.3710921/

Smogon Forums
M&M - Mix and Mega

OP mostly taken from Gen 7 Mix and Mega thread

Rules:
Mix and Mega is an Ubers-based metagame that allows you to use any transformation item on any permitted pokémon. When that Pokémon then transforms, it undergoes the same stat modifications that the original user of that item does, along with...

proper lotus
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tyvm

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it says rusted sword is banned but then the teambuilder allows it

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sacred oriole
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that's the thread being out of date

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it recently got unbanned

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@full warren fix your shit

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wait where does it say rusted sword is banned

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@full warren your shit might be fine

proper lotus
sacred oriole
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that's out of date yes

rare oak
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this ones right

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the one where you have the dropdown menus is the correct one

proper lotus
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ok tyvm

full warren
sacred oriole
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you're a forum mod

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you own every post

timid canyon
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timid canyon
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but there are 3 of them aware

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@sacred oriole ig?
having trouble in general even soft-checking everything with only 5 effective slots and the pawmot slot being effectively being a revive bot

shrewd spoke
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you need to make the format gen9almostanyability

timid canyon
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timid canyon
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sorry for the double ping UT 🙁

sacred oriole
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This team is very passive, especially if they have a solid Zama switch in like Pecha

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I get what you’re going for with Pawmot, but you’re giving up the utility of a 6th useful mon to try and spam revives

timid canyon
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hmm did notice that a bit, bit hard to keep spikes / rocks up with Defog Corv
also having a bit of trouble with desoland moth

sacred oriole
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Moth is a bad matchup as well yeah

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The overall team is solid so you could definitely just replace Pawkot with an offensive threat that also covers Moth

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Think like a PSea guy

timid canyon
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psea waterpon kinda just gets uturned on though
maybe boots zapdos

sacred oriole
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PSea Lando-I if real

timid canyon
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the desoland lando-t returns but in the other form

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so true

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it honestly wouldn't be bad here

timid canyon
sacred oriole
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SFLO kinda beats everything with the right coverage, it’s about limiting how often it comes in / making sure it’s having to deal with hazards

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Unless you want to use like Blissey

timid canyon
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hmm ok

toxic jungle
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mint crypt
dim timber
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ah yes it's omotm now by a surprise

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I don't see anything immediately wrong with this, although doubling up on contrary is probably unnecessary, malamar could be swapped out

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oh, and yanmega likely runs laps here, sucker punch gambit is good but only a 2hko on it

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some people have been asking for yega to get banned, which is possibly coming up since it'spretty nuts

tranquil pendant
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plush flint
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also your team hard loses to rain and yanmeha

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yanmega

pliant coral
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Arguably Rain as is isn't like the best but it can work

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Not sure what to put in Def over Kilo and losing Shifu is a bit rough

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You could also just do a 1 for 1 and go Zapdos > Kilo as even though Kilo is faster...it is also weaker and you want to hit as hard as you can to pressure the opponent and keep up momentum with Volt Switch

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I also think maybe reg Ogerpon > Woger could be a nice difference as you already have Water covered and you don't need the Water immunity so much as you would appreciate the potential +1 Speed from Tera'ing as well as the flexibility of an item slot

abstract sinew
oblique chasm
# abstract sinew https://pokepast.es/7ad03c271f9d61fb

Is this a Gen 7 PH team? If so I can already tell from a glance that this struggles against anything with Magic Bounce, and Deoxys-S is incredibly passive as it's not even running a OHKO move to complement No Guard with. Your sole wallbreaker in MMX also has a bad moveset that keeps it walled by common Wonder Guard mons (this is why Photon Geyser or LtBtS is generally a must on MMX). Additionally, while species spam teams are fun, Chansey absolutely isn't something that works well with that as its terrible offenses, Speed tier, and physical bulk make it way too easy to abuse by basically every Photon Geyser or Sunsteel Strike wallbreaker in the metagame. MMX running Fighting STAB isn't too unheard of as it also hits WGuard Arceus, so that can also just snap a KO every time it comes in out of Huge Power making it a spammable nuke with no switch-ins in this context.

It appears that this team has the common misconceptions for what to build for PH (aka, building as if it was meant to just bully regular BH or lower), I'd recommend to give this article a read so you're more familiarized with it, then try a sample team or two to get a better grasp of the metagame

https://www.smogon.com/articles/pure-hackmons-introduction

shrewd spoke
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ok to be fair i think chansey spam is unironically not bad

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until people start actually respecting imposter at least

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ph mains for some reason just ignore imposter proofing

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but yeah this is a really bad spam team because its taking advantage of none of the tools that makes chansey good (imposter and innards out) and it doesn't have anything that helps alleviate anything that chansey loses to (magic guard, selfproofers, opposing innards, etc)

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additionally the sets you're using are essentially the exact same

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a large part of spam's power is that even if your opponent might know your team they still have to guess which exact set is in front of them

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and surprising them with unexpected coverage when it matters the most

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the value of surprise is null if your sets are just the exact same

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see the sample team mmx spam for example, the 3 mewtwos have completely different coverage to surprise opponents; with a lead, huge power slaking and innards out to help against negative matchups such as sash spam hyper offense and opposing imposter

tranquil pendant
pliant coral
abstract sinew
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but isnt that in PH cuz most moves are used by everyone

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except for the usual photon geyser etc

shrewd spoke
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what

tranquil pendant
oblique chasm
toxic jungle
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should i replace malamar with balloon ghold?

plush flint
toxic jungle
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sticky web

plush flint
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ohhhh

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then it might be fine

toxic jungle
dim timber
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Yeah Ghold is still great

toxic jungle
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what abt clefable

rustic blaze
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https://pokepast.es/4bdb91474a893a04 guard dog ogre mainly to improof dialga, also traps certain stall sets, twave on korai over nuzzle so arceus fairy can still improof even if knocked, knock on etern because i dont have knock on anything else

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shrewd spoke
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??? why am i not pinged

shrewd spoke
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like there's 4 setup guys but neither of them are winning on their own, and if they have say cloakposter then you just dont improof at all

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and the lack of immediate power means regenvests can just sit on you since you can never do more than 40-50%

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and random stuff like th fairy just wins on the spot

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i think you should just pick 1 guy that you like the most here and build around that instead

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eg. np dtail dialga paired with things that appreciate fairies being gone or otherwise doom desire support like agren or blaziken and such

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some of the sets are fine individual ideas they just don't work well when you put them all in 1 team

rustic blaze
shrewd spoke
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ice scales does i believe

rustic blaze
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i guess, although it isn't really that common right? checked smogon stats and it's less than 4% of arceus fairy

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also does my arceus fairy beat it? i block sap, i'm shore up and i'm +spdef

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not very safe

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Though you have to consider "should I really be using this set if I have to use some really subpar set to improof it"

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(The answer is almost always "no")

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high level, trick room is never going to be very consistent in AAA

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3-4 turns is not enough turns to break through most teams, and the power level is high enough that when trick room ends you have a high chance of getting rolled

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that being said, if you want to stick with this structure, there are a few optimizations we can consider

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first, your trick room guys should all be min speed

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like 0 ivs as well

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second, Ursaluna is going to want a more immediate amp ability like Adapt or Beads so it can be your turn two breaker rather than religated to the endgame (when trick room is likely down)

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Avalugg needs Attack investement to make the most of its few turns on the field, and rapid spin is counter productive in trick room

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Dark Aura is strictly worse than Adaptability / Sword of Ruin, it's the same amount of boost but on fewer moves

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Deoxys should have Life Orb or Twisted Spoon to amp expanding force

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Brick Break is unnecessary on Hands, that could be Ice Punch

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or would i need to change up my pokemon?

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but i need tips

sacred oriole
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Polteageist and Terapagos are a bit out of place here

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Polt is a good mon, but really only fits on HO structures

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and Terapagos is just bad unfortunately, being locked to its native ability and lacking meaningful recovery is hard in this economy

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I would replace Polt with a secondary physdef guy, especially one that can handle fire types, like WBB Ghold or Prank Pecha

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Terapgos's most natural replacement is probably Treads, to keep a spinner

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can run a few different abilities like Bulletproof, Water Absorb, WBB depeding on what you find yourself struggling with

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though, thought id need a sweeper

sacred oriole
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Both Barra and Moon are viable wincons

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Especially if one wears down the other team for the other win

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There are loads of wincons other than sweepers

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timid canyon
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What is it with physdef regen tusk now

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This folds to zama (moth and deos also look to do a number into you). im really not sure why youre running those abilities on blissey and thundy. Thick fat also isn’t great on sinis even though I can see what your angle is there

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Blissey is something you’d want to be running if you’re looking at using regenerator elsewhere. Otherwise it’s just an extremely passive mon slot. Regen vesters are a the go to option for special walls in the tier unless you specifically need that ability elsewhere due to 1AC

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scarlet marsh
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the resources thread also has a lot of really great teambuilding resources to boot

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sounds great

scarlet marsh
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the VR includes what abilities a given mon will commonly be found running

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etc

vagrant flower
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is trace a viable ability then?

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it must be pretty popular

shrewd spoke
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i would assume not

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since you are entirely dependent on your opponents abilities, which may or may not be good on your mon

scarlet marsh
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there's no reason to run trace

scarlet marsh
mint crypt
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trace tusk worrywhirl

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but ye

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shrewd spoke
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the only mon i can see probably running it is like

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Gardevoir

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but even then i don’t even think she’s that viable either

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Trace could probably be used for like some insane third eye open counterteaming but yeah no real reason to run it

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If you want a certain ability then just run that ability

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dunno a lot of aaa but this looks rly bad

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thats why he needs help worrywhirl

sacred oriole
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is he open to using a sample team

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that would be the easiest place to start

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not sure worrywhirl

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timid canyon
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a bit unsure on the deo-speed slot

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the other mons are p good, bm is kind of corv bait

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hovering around 1400

sacred oriole
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Tinted BM should not be Corv bait

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+1 252+ SpA Tinted Lens Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Corviknight: 438-516 (109.7 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ SpA Tinted Lens Ursaluna-Bloodmoon Blood Moon vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Corviknight: 308-364 (77.1 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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what do you feel you're struggling with?

timid canyon
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sflo and specs

sacred oriole
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Offensive prim is a bastard

timid canyon
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it is yeah

sacred oriole
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that's pretty hard to handle consistently without slapping a SpD Moltres or similar on here

timid canyon
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also cb sor zama-hero is kind of hard to deal with if rocks are up

sacred oriole
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or you could do a WA Treads and make your moth answer something else

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actually

timid canyon
sacred oriole
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you could also do Water Absorb Ursa

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okay yeah SFLO Moonblast is still bad

timid canyon
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252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Primarina Moonblast vs. 248 HP / 248 SpD Iron Treads: 140-165 (36.5 - 43%) -- 98.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

sacred oriole
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treads is so fake, man

timid canyon
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unfortunately it's a good moth check

timid canyon
sacred oriole
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it defintely can

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you could load moltres and aim for mroe of a fat structure

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that's a bit dependent on Bloodmoon for breaking then

timid canyon
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eh I mean scarf zarude and zama do okay at breaking they're not great

sacred oriole
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you could replace IronPress with something mroe immidetaely threatening like Band

timid canyon
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hmm ill test that

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ty

sacred oriole
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but yeah generally with prim you need a hard wall, or have a team taht doesn't let it in easily

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which is doable cause it's squishy, but given the current core hard to do

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cause Zama and Bloodmoon can get forced out, and it discourages Zarude from clicking knock

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something i kind of struggle with currently is strong grass type special attacks

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havent played mnm in long

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maybe ill put a swift swimmer

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been a while since I played but having used rain a lot there are two key things that you're missing here:

  • Archaludon should always be swampertite, having access to that 2x speed + eshot is what makes it so deadly
  • You need a ground-type that is able to take on regieleki, otherwise it will farm you very easily as it is able to volt for free until everything is in espeed range
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you also shouldn't run knock off on your pelipper, in mnm knock doesn't remove stones so it is not great, run double stab instead

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I would personally drop zapdos here for something like sablenite iron treads or a bulkier groundceus

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nah here you kinda just wanna go full vgc-style and go full damage, I'd recommend making it max spatk rather than HP too

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@real osprey should i keep dm on arch or change it to dragon pulse?
also i should change body press right

real osprey
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draco is fine, body press is also kind of fine but I'd honestly recommend dpulse (so 2x dragon move) for a more easy click or substitute to dodge salt cure or to get a free turn of setup if you're expecting a switch

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the offensive core is very suspect

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as one is generally outclassed by other offensive abilities as it requires getting a kill to do anything

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the speed control is lacking as well given your fastest mon is gren and leaves you pretty vulnerable to getting cleaned pretty easily

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i wouldnt use gren at all because it's pretty easily blanked by most regenvests or really most of the meta

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no recovery on pecha is also not really worth hex

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generally i would prefer spd invest on vabs corv to better check threats like latios/deo-s as well

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id probably prefer specs over life orb if you really wanted to run no guard, or at least heat wave to hit checks like vabs corv/treads

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id probably replace gren with some kind of scarfer at the least and choose either zapdos or SD chomp to focus on as your breaker

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prank pecha on its own is also a bit sus though i guess it's kind of bearable with physdef corv

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you should ask in the om room on PS for better responses probably

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you lack a long term check to quaquaval or excadrill

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and i dont think funni inteleon works

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overqwil is prob better

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its never beating glowking

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it only has ice, grass, and rock moves

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also inteleon is... not beating rbolt

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Unfortunately most of those mons are unviable as well as the choice of stone for them...

I would highly recommend checking out the samples and getting yourself a bit more familiar with the meta as a whole just so you're aware of what is good and how it works

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@vapid wedge ^

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I mean yeah...they are samples lol

rare oak
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galladite with 3 slicing moves?

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whats the point of that, its not like ur getting sharp

verbal widget
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can someone rate this team im kinda new

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and this isnt zaou

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oblique chasm
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Oh alright thanks

summer zinc
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https://pokepast.es/694e368f0267fcd7 so I got this BH team. One thing I want to change is have eterna be Fur Coat, but there is not fur coat build for him in the Strat pokedex. Other changes are welcome as well.

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surreal portal
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well i haven't exactly played in a while so my advice mightn't be the most sound, but the only major thing i'm seeing that a fc etern would accomplish is a better blaziken switch-in. in this case either 3atks or energy/torch/glare or knock/recover could work

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i would also maybe consider a teleporting blaziken answer in this slot (could be etern but there might also be better options) since your main progress makers in flutter and chomp don't really have a safe way to switch in

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surreal portal
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@oak topaz good evening

shrewd spoke
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the bigger concern is that the team doesnt rly have a good way to handle any special breaker/setup whatsoever

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so something like take heart arceus or flutter mane kinda just wins

summer zinc
shrewd spoke
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theres a couple paths you can take

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personally i would make steelceus something like ice scales eleceus and the garchomp a regenvest steel

oak topaz
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?

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?

shrewd spoke
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?

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idt the garchomp fits here like at all

oak topaz
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Today I remove every wincon

shrewd spoke
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and then you make flutter specs gg thats the wincon

oak topaz
summer zinc
# oak topaz You should give a direction for the team

sorry for the late response, I have been busy with school and all that. Anyways, I was looking at the Viability Rankings for BH, and thus I wanted a team that used the members that were at the top of the list. with the best strategy between them.

summer zinc
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hey @oak topaz, you there?

shrewd spoke
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thanks to the ubiquity of imposter

rare trout
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https://pokepast.es/eded7d9a6d1229e3 so i dont know what i was cooking but
any suggestions for this triples team? ik not many people play this format, just built one to battle my friend

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oh dang

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this format is like DEAD dead huh

pliant coral
cold wadi
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Uhh the only thing that you probably are weak to is like being slower due to prankster/gale wings and wide guard

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Like you have no wide guard, so expanding force deoxys pretty much goes in once rilla dies. tbh you just need like a wide guard mon and feint mon and you should generally be fine

rare trout
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I see, thx for the help :)

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Balright

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oblique chasm
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oblique chasm
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Oh, then refer to this

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In plain terms this just would be an incomplete team at best as far CG goes

foggy pulsar
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oh

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hmm

foggy pulsar
oblique chasm
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@reef merlin

reef merlin
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zygarde-c is not usable in pure hackmons without power construct and starting as base zygarde

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but also salt cure just isn't that good when anything can revive and so many things appreciate shed tail or substitute (which blocks the move)

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sheer cold AND fissure is also not really worthwhile on no guards, there are exceptions but in general having two ohko moves doesn't offer enough advantages over one to justify it

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scarf no guard is alright but trick would probably be better over one, and sunsteel/moongeist are too weak on deo-s imo

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better to run hypnosis + gastro acid or baton pass

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also king's rock popbomb with neutralizing gas is stopped pretty easily by wonder guard

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I'd probably just run a sample, the ideas you have are generally sensible but on every mon the moves could be changed to grant each mon more purposes, greater effectiveness, or more resilience to strategies that these mons currently struggle with

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however, this sample also allows for passing stat boosts and substitutes to attackers, letting them sweep more easily because the passed substitute can take a hit and they can take advantage of whatever initial boosts they're passed

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I don't agree with primal groudon's only attacking move being bitter blade but that's generally a more potent sweeper than your ray because with neutralizing gas + magic room you disable ability-based counterplay (which is almost everything), which allows pdon to muscle past everything after boosting

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some wierd choices

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Could probably be turned into HO with gren as a lead over samu

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zaps generally better than thundt

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and zarude is better than meow on this team probably

rare trout
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Ight gotcha

whole dome
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https://pokepast.es/43ccf670a741b3d0

Bulky offence + Magic bounce covert cloak deoxys defence for convergence

Works very well and has very few counters, being moves like roar and neutralising gas toxic

Very weak to crits

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regi>garg usually

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florges has way better stats than sylveon

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and generally raikou is better than jolt even though jolt has some uses

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id run esurge and maybe trick on jolt though

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oh and cudgel is better than wood hammer on oger cuz its noncontact and high crit

gray crane
# rare oak regi>garg usually

oh ye thx forget there are straight up upgrades to the mons I had, also I feel like with leviate I can go to a more set up set since the only weakness raikou has is gone but yea definitely esurge I'll go to specs I just prefer jolteon since it's naturally faster

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setup raikou is also very good, cm + cotton guard + stored

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oblique chasm
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rare oak
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stacking sun and etterrain is a bit unnecesary

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and if ur running lucha on eterrain might as well go unburden

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clear body is better on pult (imo) since ur team is weak to webs

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moldy doesnt share so like..

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also neither do proto or quark

gray crane
rare oak
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uh no the restricts and bans are all up to date there lol

gray crane
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oh sry my bad, I was looking at an old metagame thread, it was the first one that popped when I searched for it

rare oak
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heres the real one

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pliant coral
# dusty wadi https://pokepast.es/bcf3d953622afccb

First off idk if it was intentional or not but Iron Crown would become pure Steel with that stone

Other than that it looks good. Maybe run a different mon > Zapdos with LucZ (as the stone is extremely broken lol) and maybe going Sub or another coverage move > U-turn on Moth

dusty wadi
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Could also use LucZ Crown and then run something funny like Chimechite Spectrier

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Tbf it is pretty experimental atm with all the new stones but I do think having at least something to switch into Ground moves is your best bet

dusty wadi
pliant coral
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But funny lol

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Chimechite Spectrier seems extremely fun to me tbh. May build with that myself whenever I have time to actually hop on PS! (this time of year is bad though lol)

dusty wadi
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So how would you play this team?

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As in who to replace for spectrier

pliant coral
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Pivot around with Moth and Pert and then pressure with Eleki and clean up with Zama or Crown

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Oh Zapdos be replaced

dusty wadi
pliant coral
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And that at least gets you somewhere

dusty wadi
pliant coral
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Or you could try BU Pinsirite Tusk > Crown for a different setup mon but I like the "physical" setup Zama and the special setup Crown on paper

pliant coral
dusty wadi
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Ayy nice!

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seems okay, but crown is def underperforming as a psyspam mon
also using it to stop things like sucker gambit for hoopa but it's not great

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other than that boulder is insane

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the hoopa is just... there
if it gets in for free on a corv not clicking uturn it claims 1-2 at worst

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# timid canyon https://pokepast.es/a154bf4e699f58cd

if the team is centered around hoopa, fine, but in my honest opinion i feel like deo-s just does the role but better. This could also allow for crown to run specs. Other issues to me real quickly are zapdos switch-ins (will just have to pressure), Other desolate landers are kinda an issue.

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id probably replace boulder here

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your team is already vulnerable to ghold

timid meadow
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I think boulder as a breaker is fine

dusk pasture
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either you replace hoopa or boulder

timid meadow
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although yeah

dusk pasture
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or like scarf rmoon as speed control?

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or gambit if u cope

timid meadow
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Gambit probably means no terrain

timid canyon
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mb like a

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sflo deo-s?

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I kinda just liked hoopa being able to underspeed everything to take care of the speed issue

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zapdos is hard yeah
desoland is kind of handled by prim (?) if it's SFLO Moth I kind of just lose though.

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psysurge deo-s + wbb double dance iron crown

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is that a stupid idea

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holy hell

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ok gimme like 5 mins

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gray crane
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an essay is incoming 💀

shrewd spoke
# gray crane https://pokepast.es/55ca56a43fd35e97 good for a starter?

ok so firstly zacian crowned with other abilities don't work it'll just revert back to intrepid sword in game

the other and more major thing is that theres just kinda no coherent direction to this team
you have mons like sd zacc and th arc indicating a more hazard stack focused balance with them as the wincons but theres no hazards, you have pivots like celesteela and audino which can bring in powerful choiced wallbreakers but there isnt any, you have scarf blaziken which is a powerful enabler on offense but theres nothing supporting it (nor is it supporting anything)
another problem is that you don't have a very solid gameplan vs imposter users, and your main defensive pieces don't hold up well vs most meta threats (which could be fine on offense but its not offense)

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when building teams in bh you really want a general direction to build towards (eg. hazard stack balance, hyper offense, etc) otherwise you dont really accomplish anything

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i think you should pick an idea you like the most and then we can work to fix the team further from there

gray crane
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the team validates but in game zacian's ability immediately switches back to intrepid sword

gray crane
shrewd spoke
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ok so for starters most hazard stack teams really appreciate a steel and a ghost, strong imposter proofing (have a majority of your mons be immune to spikes if possible or try to improof spikes with magic bounce) and decent speed control (this is usually just flutter mane but you can experiment with stuff like bikes)

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also a consistent spike setter obviously /shrug

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if not multiple

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hazard stack is also a slower playstyle so consistent checks to the most prominent wallbreakers (blaziken, garchomp, gardevoir) are p much mandatory

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although you dont need a hard check mon per se its nice to have counterplay options vs most things they can click since theyre usually choiced

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and you want a wincon that appreciates constant chip damage pressure that hazards provide

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which can range from things like thunder cage users or less powerful setup guys

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or just guys that can consistently force switches