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oak topaz Feb 26, 2025, 4:40 PM

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steelceus was wbb earth judg, and i remember being confused because i thought it being wbb over scales meant garde was 100% armor cannon

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and etern was fc last move sludge bomb

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oh you can just check the ghosting log youtube if you wanted

summer zinc Feb 26, 2025, 4:41 PM

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oak topaz oh you can just check the ghosting log youtube if you wanted

where is that?

oak topaz Feb 26, 2025, 4:42 PM

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bh-ghosting-tour-3-won-by-the-tipsy-spindas.3757832/post-10421847

summer zinc Feb 26, 2025, 4:42 PM

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ah thx

summer zinc Feb 27, 2025, 4:21 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d09e7177e33a4b91 This is an anything goes team I just created, following the smogon strat pokedex suggestions. is it any good?

sacred oriole Feb 27, 2025, 4:36 AM

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#1208795569649356820

summer zinc Feb 27, 2025, 5:45 AM

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sacred oriole <#1208795569649356820>

thx

acoustic cradle Feb 28, 2025, 12:35 AM

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https://pokepast.es/de8bdb3f7ba7e6b4 stab

umbral lavaBOT Feb 28, 2025, 12:35 AM

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New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @pliant coral. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

acoustic cradle Feb 28, 2025, 12:36 AM

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tried to port this gking ting washer core that i really liked from natdex over

pliant coral Feb 28, 2025, 3:38 AM

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acoustic cradle https://pokepast.es/de8bdb3f7ba7e6b4 stab

Honestly the team looks solid but also wonder why you want AV Gking when imo you want that to pivot as well and add to the momentum you can get by bringing in the threats such as Band Gyara

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If anything I think mons wise you're good but I would go with like setup Wash and Ghold since you have a good chunk of the team pivoting in and out

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Also gonna ping @orchid grove for this as I know they said they wanted to be notified of STAB teams

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@acoustic cradle Thinking about it but I see you going SpD Ting + Def Washtom and I think you're better off going Def Gking with pivot and going more offensive on Washtom just because Washtom has that potential

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The team does feel sorta slow so I think either DD Gyara is best (even though I like the idea behind Band) or you can tweak just the Washtom and keep Scarf Ghold as your Speed control

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Since you do have Jet Punch on Gyara

acoustic cradle Mar 2, 2025, 2:39 AM

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pliant coral If anything I think mons wise you're good but I would go with like setup Wash an...

would i keep it defensive or change it to an attacking spread?

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gking was av just because i like having those four attacks

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and the raw bulk is pretty nice

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what would you replace for tp?

acoustic cradle Mar 2, 2025, 2:41 AM

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pliant coral The team does feel sorta slow so I think either DD Gyara is best (even though I ...

jet punch gyara w intim turned out to be a big part of how i manage offense

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tho maybe thats just because ladder is bad lol

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ill give dd a try tho

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would i keep jet or run sub or smth?

pliant coral Mar 2, 2025, 3:11 AM

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I would try Sub but you could easily go DD STABs EQ

pliant coral Mar 2, 2025, 3:11 AM

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acoustic cradle would i keep it defensive or change it to an attacking spread?

If setup Wash, definitely wanna go more offensive than defensive

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You could probably run a bulkier EV spread but I am not exactly sure where the benchmarks are these days tbh

pliant coral Mar 2, 2025, 3:13 AM

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acoustic cradle what would you replace for tp?

I'd probably drop Flame because Spin is useful

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Especially now with you going Boots which allows you to be worn down less

tranquil pendant Mar 5, 2025, 1:51 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0153f3db17f800cc

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cross evo cuz why not

real linden Mar 6, 2025, 3:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/029b0a8c930b6f86 rate my team, adapted from my nat dex aaa team which had regen tusk as well as teleport chancey

real linden Mar 6, 2025, 6:15 PM

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@sacred oriole

sacred oriole Mar 6, 2025, 6:15 PM

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I am very washed, @real osprey get in here

real osprey Mar 6, 2025, 6:16 PM

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blobsalute I can take a look later today

real linden Mar 6, 2025, 6:55 PM

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🫡

real osprey Mar 6, 2025, 10:02 PM

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real linden https://pokepast.es/029b0a8c930b6f86 rate my team, adapted from my nat dex aaa t...

Ok so I like the idea here with a team revolving around Inteleon, normally I'd consider swapping inteleon for something potentially stronger but since the mon still works I think it should be kept, so instead I'll focus on its teammates. The first issue I see here is Chansey. While yes, it's a perfectly capable special wall as you mention, it doesn't really fit into balances like these and is essentially stall-only due to how passive it is (Rip teleport removal), so I'd firstly recommend swapping this out. You have a couple options, being Swampert, who's both very capable but also requires minor support, while other options like Manaphy & Iron Hands, however they require a bit more support. Electrode-Hisui is also quite weak here, so I'd suggest replacing it with something like a Hadron Engine Latios, which gives you just a teeny-tiny bit of defensive utility on top of still being Speed control & a powerful breaker. As a final note I tweaked both your Corviknight and Tusk's set, with Corv I just made sure it was also 0 Speed IVs for slowest pivot possible, while Tusk was changed to have some speed instead.

https://pokepast.es/ea34848a87195970 Here's an example team, you can pick whether you want Trick or Flip Turn on your Latios (Trick helps vs unexpected setup guys & can also cripple regenvesters for Inteleon, while Flip Turn gives you a bit more comfort in playing and can let you bring in Slither Wing/Inteleon easier), and I gave Great Tusk an Eject Button to let you bring in the aformentioned two again, but Heavy-Duty Boots are good as well. If you have any questions don't hesitate to let me know!

real linden Mar 6, 2025, 10:04 PM

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Thanks! Ill take all that into consideration!

tranquil pendant Mar 7, 2025, 1:24 PM

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https://pokepast.es/301095a3a8a0a2c8

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cross evos

plush flint Mar 7, 2025, 2:10 PM

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tranquil pendant https://pokepast.es/301095a3a8a0a2c8

isnt electabuzz vivillon better
also magmar dnite seems pretty gimmicky

tranquil pendant Mar 7, 2025, 3:30 PM

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plush flint isnt electabuzz vivillon better also magmar dnite seems pretty gimmicky

Electabuzz has 25 less spA than magneton
Altho its speed is higher both can use quiver dance to boost speed so imo magneton is still better

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:30 AM

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chat is this the aaa channel

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https://pokepast.es/4b3386b82baa2520 can someone give me some advice on this aaa team i made

umbral lavaBOT Mar 8, 2025, 10:31 AM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:34 AM

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and some help

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 10:39 AM

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fringe light https://pokepast.es/4b3386b82baa2520 can someone give me some advice on this aaa...

sets mostly look fine, though swampert should be max spd not max atta k

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the double scarf is a it weird though and makes your team a bit weak

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:40 AM

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dusk pasture the double scarf is a it weird though and makes your team a bit weak

oh

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what do u suggest instead

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:40 AM

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dusk pasture sets mostly look fine, though swampert should be max spd not max atta k

makes sense

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 10:41 AM

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some stronger wallbreaker is probably preferable over either one

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probably better to remove stail though it makes your deo-s mu a bit shaky

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:43 AM

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dusk pasture probably better to remove stail though it makes your deo-s mu a bit shaky

oh

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wait hold on

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:44 AM

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dusk pasture sets mostly look fine, though swampert should be max spd not max atta k

like careful nature?

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 10:47 AM

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sassy is used to underspeed corv

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:50 AM

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dusk pasture sassy is used to underspeed corv

alr

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 10:50 AM

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dusk pasture some stronger wallbreaker is probably preferable over either one

uh what do u suggest

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 10:53 AM

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there's a variety of options like plot deo-s, specs latios, etc

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team is generic enough i dont think there's much difference between them at this point

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 11:01 AM

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dusk pasture team is generic enough i dont think there's much difference between them at this...

oh ok

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i'll try considering most of them

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 2:51 PM

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dusk pasture there's a variety of options like plot deo-s, specs latios, etc

over dengo or like scream tail?

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:16 PM

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dusk pasture there's a variety of options like plot deo-s, specs latios, etc

what should the sets be and abilities

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:30 PM

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dusk pasture there's a variety of options like plot deo-s, specs latios, etc

isn't scarf better to like outspeed most dragon type threats or smth

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:32 PM

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fringe light over dengo or like scream tail?

like i said before i think stail is probably better to drop since ghold acts as a zama/latios check as well while also checking rogue cornerpon, just be careful of deoxys-speed but either probably can work

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as for the wallbreaker sets, you can refer to dex but for the specific examples you can run stuff like hadron engine for both

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:34 PM

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dusk pasture as for the wallbreaker sets, you can refer to dex but for the specific examples ...

dex?

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oh where

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im looking at smogon sets rn

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:35 PM

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the smogon sets, yes

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:42 PM

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dusk pasture there's a variety of options like plot deo-s, specs latios, etc

oh plot deo-s?

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:43 PM

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doesn't have to be plot, i just like it personally

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4a also works

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knock can work well to enable your ghold lategame

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or stail if u get rid of ghold i guess

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:43 PM

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dusk pasture knock can work well to enable your ghold lategame

do i keep the current ghold set

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i have rn

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:44 PM

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yes the current ghold set is fine

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if you remove stail

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specs ghold can also work though can struggle into stuff like bproof treads, which stail also struggles into quite a bit

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:44 PM

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dusk pasture knock can work well to enable your ghold lategame

like plot, knock off, psycho boost, ice beam or smth

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:45 PM

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dusk pasture specs ghold can also work though can struggle into stuff like bproof treads, whi...

oh ok

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:45 PM

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you dont run knock on plot

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:45 PM

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dusk pasture you dont run knock on plot

oh on non plot alr

dusk pasture Mar 8, 2025, 3:45 PM

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plot is np, psycho boost (or psyshock, ig), tbolt, ibeam/focusblast

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while knock is run on 4a sets if you want

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lot of deo-s sets you can tinker around with if you wish, smogon has the options all slashed

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:46 PM

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dusk pasture lot of deo-s sets you can tinker around with if you wish, smogon has the options...

oh ok

shrewd spoke Mar 8, 2025, 3:46 PM

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dusk pasture while knock is run on 4a sets if you want

hear me out

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you run knock on np you knock the vests off of regens

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:47 PM

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shrewd spoke hear me out

hi

shrewd spoke Mar 8, 2025, 3:47 PM

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then late game you click np and you win

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im a genius

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:47 PM

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shrewd spoke then late game you click np and you win

lmao

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maybe if the 2 other moves has enough coverage ig?

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:49 PM

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dusk pasture plot is np, psycho boost (or psyshock, ig), tbolt, ibeam/focusblast

ugh psyshock over a 10% chance to miss imagine 😼

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:50 PM

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dusk pasture plot is np, psycho boost (or psyshock, ig), tbolt, ibeam/focusblast

maybe beam for dragon types or smth

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 3:57 PM

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dusk pasture plot is np, psycho boost (or psyshock, ig), tbolt, ibeam/focusblast

Deoxys-Speed @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

Nasty Plot
Psycho Boost
Thunderbolt
Ice Beam

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is this set fine

sacred oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:25 PM

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If you’re running Psycho Boost I’d do Beads or Hadron

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If you really want SFLO then make it Psychic and go for consistency

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 4:35 PM

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sacred oriole If you’re running Psycho Boost I’d do Beads or Hadron

oh beads of ruin?

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does it lower spd?

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life orb is fine right?

sacred oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Yes to all of those

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 4:45 PM

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sacred oriole Yes to all of those

oh thanks

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does it matter if i go psychic over psycho boost that much

sacred oriole Mar 8, 2025, 4:50 PM

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I’d have to look at the calcs but there’s probably something

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Depends on if you want this to be a wallbreaker (keep psycho) or cleaner (go psychic)

fringe light Mar 8, 2025, 4:51 PM

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sacred oriole Depends on if you want this to be a wallbreaker (keep psycho) or cleaner (go psy...

oh ok

fringe light Mar 9, 2025, 9:25 AM

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sacred oriole Depends on if you want this to be a wallbreaker (keep psycho) or cleaner (go psy...

so is this good https://pokepast.es/f9f91b1b846fffb4

umbral lavaBOT Mar 9, 2025, 9:25 AM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:07 PM

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https://pokepast.es/0d5789ea9a10e178

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update

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:34 PM

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@sacred oriole was told to ping bcuz chatot isnt working Sphealbrero

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:35 PM

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okay I like a lot of the ideas, couple of questions

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what kind of team are you going for? Balance? hyper offense?

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cause you have kind of a mesh here and it probably works better to commit to one

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:38 PM

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i have no clue, this is my first time teambuilding

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i like setup sweepers like the moon set and the za set

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also feel free to pinggg

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:40 PM

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sacred oriole what kind of team are you going for? Balance? hyper offense?

probably balance if i had to say tho

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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that moon set works best on HO

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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ah ic

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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the Zama set is very close to standard, but Soundproof is a little odd

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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boomburst and roar

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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obviously lets you troll like, scream tail, but doesn't beat some of your better checks like Ghold and Pecha

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:44 PM

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that was the idea at least

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should i go for scrappy instead?

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:45 PM

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scrappy is more common yes

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:45 PM

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oki

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ive noticed this team is weak to screamtail

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:45 PM

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Mana should be okay into it, at least as a pivot

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the only guy that wants to be pivoted in is crown which is a bit of an odd set

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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okok

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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you could make that Ghold

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either scarf or a more defensive set

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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what set for ghold?

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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how much time do you have lol

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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ill probably stick to scarf

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about 15 mins lol

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Ability: Adaptability
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Timid Nature  
IVs: 0 Atk  
- Shadow Ball  
- Make It Rain  
- Recover  
- Trick```

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something like this?

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the main weakness is the Tusk

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Rough Skin is not a very good ability compared to Intimidate or Fluffy

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:47 PM

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icic

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:47 PM

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I would also consider making it Corv

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to give you a ground immune, reliable recovery, and another pivot

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:48 PM

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and how would i deal with tusk with ghold?

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Corv and Mana swithc into Tusk and Ghold

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and then you U-turn to something that threatens them

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Ghold is threatened by moon, tusk is threatened by uh

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well, not much here

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:49 PM

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thats what i was wondering yea

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Zama and Slither have a lot of overlap in what they cover

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and what they lose to

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:50 PM

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slither was cuz i was upset with moon lol

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:50 PM

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so you could replace slither with something like Zapdos or scream tail

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moon is a bastard that is true

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:51 PM

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okok i like tail, what set?

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:52 PM

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Scream Tail @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
Timid Nature

Boomburst
Psychic Noise
Wish
Protect

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hard to go wrong with this fucker

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:53 PM

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tru

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does that check moon?

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:55 PM

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yes and no

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:55 PM

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icic

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:55 PM

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it loses to band, but it messes up choice item varients if it's already on the field with protect

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and just yeets non-choice ones that stay in with Boomburst

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it + Corv is pretty solid

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and this obviously punishes tusk hard

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 7:59 PM

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okkkk tyty

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corv set rq before i have to go?

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i really appreciate the help

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 7:59 PM

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standard physdef is fine

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brave bird / roost / defog / u-turn

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with fluffy or intimidate depending on how paranoid you are about like, Chien-Pao and Ogerpon

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(fluffy is better into most things but then you lose super hard into some of the non-contact guys)

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 8:14 PM

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sacred oriole with fluffy or intimidate depending on how paranoid you are about like, Chien-Pa...

Probably will run intimidate since moon is fluffy

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 8:14 PM

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right

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 8:15 PM

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Also is manaphy a good av holder? Or should I switch

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 8:15 PM

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yes

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mana is a great regenvest

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 8:15 PM

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to like swampert

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Just cuz I’m finding zapdos difficult

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esp with electric immunity gone since corv

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 8:16 PM

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Swampert works well too

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that's a fine change

jade fossil Mar 18, 2025, 8:16 PM

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okok full def and flip turn knock off and what else?

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Move wise

sacred oriole Mar 18, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
IVs: 0 Spe
Sassy Nature
- Earthquake
- Flip Turn
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge```

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last move is pretty flexible

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can do stuff like counter, mirror coat, ice beam

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or even Stealth Rock cause you're probably getting Knocked at some point

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:28 PM

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Shared Power Dragon Spam HO: https://pokepast.es/d7de58ca9a76a912

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im considering dazzling or queenly majesty here

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idk

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 8:36 PM

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Mold Breaker, Multiscale, Protosynthesis, Dazzling and Queenly Majesty do not share as they're restricted abilities
As only half of the team has "proper" ability donors this seems rather underpowered and struggles with Levitate teams

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:38 PM

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oblique chasm Mold Breaker, Multiscale, Protosynthesis, Dazzling and Queenly Majesty do not sh...

oh dazzling is restricted?

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rip

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well idk not much else boosting abilities

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when download is off the table

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because of glitch

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 8:39 PM

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I'd advice to just wait for the bugs to get fixed, they aren't really representative of the proper metagame by nature

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:40 PM

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lando over d-nite?

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 8:43 PM

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Usually Houndstone's Fluffy is used for that kind of purpose as Intimidate fails against Scrappy teams, and also backfires on teams with Defiant or Competitive

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:44 PM

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i mean lando incarnate

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for sheer force

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although a lot dragon type moves dont really have secondary effects

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i want download :Sadge:

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 8:45 PM

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If anything you'd want Skill Link to enhance Scale Shot

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:48 PM

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oblique chasm If anything you'd want Skill Link to enhance Scale Shot

🤔 so work off haxorus as win con?

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wait isnt technician better and i can boost other moves

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 8:49 PM

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You could also fit in Cinderace to check Steel-types, with Libero granting flexibility with Adaptability to have more options as pseudo-Dragon-types
Technician is restricted

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 8:49 PM

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yeah i think cinderace makes sense

karmic dawn Mar 19, 2025, 9:16 PM

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oblique chasm You could also fit in Cinderace to check Steel-types, with Libero granting flexi...

would groudon walking wake work

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off of cinderace + original core of ability providers

oblique chasm Mar 19, 2025, 9:20 PM

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It does provide a well rounded set of abilities to adapt around multiple matchups, I'd say that could work

plush flint Mar 19, 2025, 9:29 PM

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oblique chasm I'd advice to just wait for the bugs to get fixed, they aren't really representa...

pretty sure they got fixed

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https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9sharedpower-2323405725?p2

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karmic dawn Mar 20, 2025, 3:11 AM

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oblique chasm It does provide a well rounded set of abilities to adapt around multiple matchup...

https://pokepast.es/b78e9ee41f1b2898 been winning pretty consistently any change suggestions for sets

oblique chasm Mar 20, 2025, 3:21 AM

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I don't think you need this much Speed control, you could swap Scarf on Cinderace with Choice Band or Heavy-Duty Boots

karmic dawn Mar 20, 2025, 3:23 AM

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ur right

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i was gonna say cinderace only mon capable of outspeeding scarf maushold

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but choice band sucker prob OHKO's anyway

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:07 PM

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@surreal portal https://pokepast.es/ce48fea96f1bfa3e I got a BH team for you to rate, plz

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it is focused on speed boost O-Palkia and sheer force U-Necrozma

surreal portal Mar 24, 2025, 8:13 PM

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i would probably say that you'd want to tweak the hazard removal options since swampert (especially one that loses to celesteela 1v1) isn't the best option

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:14 PM

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surreal portal i would probably say that you'd want to tweak the hazard removal options since s...

ok, what would you do?

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:14 PM

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also imposter palkia kind of wins if you ever set up and they win the tie

surreal portal Mar 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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with this kind of structure the only real place i could see it going is either changing audino to something like mortal spin zama or dropping imp

surreal portal Mar 24, 2025, 8:15 PM

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full warren also imposter palkia kind of wins if you ever set up and they win the tie

chansey handles in a pinch doesn't it

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+2 252+ SpA Palkia-Origin Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Eviolite Chansey: 279-328 (39.6 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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skin of its teeth

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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I mean I guess. I wouldn't count on imp for stuff that shaky tho because it means you can't get imp knocked or chipped or parad

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and that really limits how you can use it

chrome kite Mar 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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https://pokepast.es/4382fb8e0083f8ff

https://pokepast.es/7bb155588c49f48e

https://pokepast.es/3bb7ddcabc8d14f2

surreal portal Mar 24, 2025, 8:16 PM

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it might be worth just based on the amount of times that interaction happens

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ie. it's only happening if you've got a kill and they're healthy & desperate enough to go for the tie

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:17 PM

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fair

chrome kite Mar 24, 2025, 8:17 PM

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full warren fair

What

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:18 PM

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I was responding to tea guzzler

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:20 PM

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surreal portal with this kind of structure the only real place i could see it going is either c...

ok, with that note, I might need to redo my team. Like I said, it foucses on O-Palkia and Sheer Force U-Necro. what are some suggestions?

chrome kite Mar 24, 2025, 8:20 PM

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full warren I was responding to tea guzzler

And me?

surreal portal Mar 24, 2025, 8:20 PM

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there's a separate thing for natdex

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:20 PM

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summer zinc ok, with that note, I might need to redo my team. Like I said, it foucses on O-P...

I think a major problem with this core is

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Its very slow

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And neither mons have too much ohko potential

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:21 PM

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yeah.... oof

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what would you suggest I build a team around?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:21 PM

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pick one of the 2?

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(\necro is easily the more viable of the two)

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:21 PM

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oak topaz pick one of the 2?

I like U-Necro, so lets do that

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:22 PM

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sf right?

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:22 PM

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oak topaz sf right?

yep

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pulled it from the strat pokedex

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:23 PM

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(ftr that one isnt too up to date because we are still working on fulls and i think the replacement full is stagnant)

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but yeah workable

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I think generally these days order up is more preferred

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torque is still fine though

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:24 PM

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oak topaz I think generally these days order up is more preferred

the move set is luster purge, bolt strike, blue flare, and torque. replacing torque with order up. is that a good moveset?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:24 PM

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yeah last is either torque or order up

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:25 PM

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why order up though, just curious

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what not draco meteor if sheer force?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:25 PM

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its stab

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draco is not a sf move

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:26 PM

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oh

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i see

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makes sense

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anyways, strat pokedex says to pair it up with M-Audino and Ice Scales Ground Arceus

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(with G-Arceus being an imposter proof for necro)

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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yeah so the latter is very very sus currently

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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really?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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it probably is still viable but idt anyone has tried using it for months

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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what should I replace it with then?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:27 PM

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last time ive seen it was on my own semisun and it was kind of a specific reason because it had some synergies defensively with sun

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:28 PM

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mega audino still good though?

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:29 PM

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yeah fs

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:29 PM

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adding audino can be later

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its not an improof nor offensive support

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improof is most likely either fire immune steel or scales eleceus in terms of most viable ones rn

full warren Mar 24, 2025, 8:30 PM

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if its order up you can use ting lu

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:30 PM

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oak topaz improof is most likely either fire immune steel or scales eleceus in terms of mo...

I think scales elecues would work

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so... what other teammates does u-necrozma want for BH?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:33 PM

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very good removal

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the mon needs to like come in a lot

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you also generally want a spiker

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because that helps put a lot of soft checks into direct 2hko range

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:33 PM

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ok, what would you suggest?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:33 PM

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something that can knock tinglu is also mandatory

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:34 PM

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the strat pokedex mention magic bounce yvetal, don't know if that is viable though

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:34 PM

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knock spikes ghostceus is maybe ok here

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that mon is like fringely viable but not much

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:35 PM

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thought so

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:35 PM

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oh yeah that was for groundceus

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you should not be running into that

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well ladder is ladder but yeah

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/bh-ultra-necrozma.3755404/
There is this more recent spotlight analysis definitely not a self plug

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:36 PM

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ok, what I got so far is necro, scales eleceus, and knock spikes ghostceus

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:37 PM

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well thats already a problem actually

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you cant run two arcs

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if you are going eleceus route uhhh

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:38 PM

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idk, ghostceus also looks good

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prob going that route then

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hits tinglu as you said, and can lay down spikes

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I just I just need a fire-immune steel type

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what would you suggest for one of those?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:39 PM

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solgaleo is the most viable one i think for nonarc

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:39 PM

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k

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:39 PM

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then you need like extreme anti flutter mane measures

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there is also just registeel

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:40 PM

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oak topaz solgaleo is the most viable one i think for nonarc

I can't find a BH build for sol on the strat pokedex

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so should I just do registeel then?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:43 PM

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i think registeel fits better here because you dont stack triple ghost weak

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:43 PM

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oak topaz i think registeel fits better here because you dont stack triple ghost weak

k, what moveset since there is a lot of suggestions for alternate moves on the strat pokedex

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:44 PM

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i would probably not follow the dex

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setpedia is also idt that up to date but it should be more up to date than dex

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check that firs

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:45 PM

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oak topaz setpedia is also idt that up to date but it should be more up to date than dex

uhhh, can I have a link, it is not showing up on google search

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:45 PM

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check the resources page

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:45 PM

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oh, thx

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:46 PM

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link isnt very big but you can ctrl f

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:46 PM

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I found it

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anyway, primordial sea vs well baked body for registeel?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:47 PM

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uh

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i think mold etern is exceedingly rare

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so probably wbb

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:47 PM

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k

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knock off or spikes

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:47 PM

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excat moves probably flexible atp

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:49 PM

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k, now I got necro, ghostceus, and registeel, what are other good partners?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:49 PM

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removal

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at least two removal

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and looking at comp you need furscales + smth last

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and smth is likely not imp on this build

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:50 PM

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oak topaz at least two removal

k, what would you recommend?

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:53 PM

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uhh

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can maybe do like

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regen bro + fc zama + scales audino is like the most generic last 3 im somewhat tired so idk what this loses to outright

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:57 PM

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oak topaz regen bro + fc zama + scales audino is like the most generic last 3 im somewhat ...

k, I will at least try those. THanks for your help

oak topaz Mar 24, 2025, 8:57 PM

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yeah nw

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also if you need further like edits to the team

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probably easier to ask in om cord

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more likely to get responses albeit unfiltered

summer zinc Mar 24, 2025, 8:58 PM

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oak topaz probably easier to ask in om cord

k, thx

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will keep that in mind

summer zinc Mar 25, 2025, 1:47 AM

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oak topaz its stab

uhhhh... apparently order up is also not a sheer force move

oak topaz Mar 25, 2025, 1:56 AM

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it is

summer zinc Mar 25, 2025, 1:57 AM

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im checking this right now in the OM server, but it just does not show in the base power when you hover over the move in battle

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thats what confused me

frigid jolt Mar 26, 2025, 8:01 AM

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real linden https://pokepast.es/029b0a8c930b6f86 rate my team, adapted from my nat dex aaa t...

Level 99 Corviknight?

real osprey Mar 26, 2025, 8:45 AM

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frigid jolt Level 99 Corviknight?

Lvl 99 is a niche thing seen on defensive pivots sometimes, since it helps you guarantee the slow pivot in the case that your corv faces off against another corviknight in this case, but you'll also see it sometimes in BH and STABmons

keen remnant Mar 28, 2025, 5:32 AM

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https://pokepast.es/64103106bab61729

umbral lavaBOT Mar 28, 2025, 5:32 AM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

keen remnant Mar 28, 2025, 5:32 AM

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shitters squad

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slither outspeeds 0 speed pecha (and dengo and tusk obviously)

dusk pasture Mar 28, 2025, 5:37 AM

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no regen especially on balance is a big red flag

keen remnant Mar 28, 2025, 5:39 AM

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can be spdef treads and rocks tail ig

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i mean

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regenvest treads

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 6:54 AM

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https://pokepast.es/5081cf9d71952f70

just need help a bit, laddered to 1471 with it but feel it needs some touch ups
(aaa)

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 7:18 AM

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mainly issues with offensive deo s and ghold can be tricky to play around

dusk pasture Apr 1, 2025, 12:38 PM

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jade fossil https://pokepast.es/5081cf9d71952f70 just need help a bit, laddered to 1471 wit...

seems rather passive for a balance team

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unaware stail isn't a set i would recommend much anymore due to how passive it is as well though stail as a whole can work with ihands, that being said if you struggle into deo-s you should probably consider changing your rmoon set

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very random and loses a lot of utility without even roost to leverage

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scarf could help with deo-s or alternatively something like MGLO could somewhat help with your ghold matchup as long as you're careful of colbur sets

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 1:59 PM

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dusk pasture unaware stail isn't a set i would recommend much anymore due to how passive it i...

i find the stail set synergizes well with the corrosion pech, i just kinda spread poison and stall with protect, as well as fake out on hands too

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ig its kinda like the dollar store version of that corrosion clod team that joey played

dusk pasture Apr 1, 2025, 2:15 PM

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perhaps

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you might be better off just going full fat though if you wanted to do that

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rather than compromising here

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as an extra note i dont love helmet 99 intim corv as it can make it pretty squishy into stuff like pao which you team could struggle with

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 2:26 PM

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dusk pasture as an extra note i dont love helmet 99 intim corv as it can make it pretty squis...

honestly between unaware physdef stail, hands, max speed za and corv pao isnt too bad

dusk pasture Apr 1, 2025, 2:27 PM

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im somewhat doubtful but if you say so

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 2:28 PM

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also i find i catch a lot of ppl off guard with the stail set

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ik it isnt great to rely on at higher ladder but i find that even one turn where they set up in front of it often leads to them losing

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so far only think that does any real damage seems to be heavy slam za, ghold, and specs crown, but even after a few boosts crown is manageable

jade fossil Apr 1, 2025, 2:44 PM

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dusk pasture scarf could help with deo-s or alternatively something like MGLO could somewhat ...

rip i just got owned by a physdef scarm sob

craggy oar Apr 2, 2025, 11:30 AM

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@echo lodge https://pokepast.es/260b10a6cd7fd4cd Could you rate this?

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@sacred oriole could you rate this as well?

shrewd spoke Apr 2, 2025, 11:41 AM

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this sucks

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i dont play this meta and i can still tell this team sucks (very bad sign)

craggy oar Apr 2, 2025, 11:43 AM

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thank you for your input.

dusk pasture Apr 2, 2025, 11:59 AM

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jade fossil rip i just got owned by a physdef scarm sob

seems a bit odd when you have a corrosion pech and stail but yeah being pretty passive and reliant on cb zama can hurt

dusk pasture Apr 2, 2025, 11:59 AM

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craggy oar <@178269060075749376> https://pokepast.es/260b10a6cd7fd4cd Could you rate this?

also isaiah (and i believe UT as well) dont rate AAA anymore

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that being said the team is not very cohesive and lacks basic structure while also using some pretty poor

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the inclusion of moldy lead treads leads me to think it's HO/offense but you have a regenvest mana and unaware pecha thrown in there, aside from that moldy treads isn't a good lead since tusk will stop you forever (steel beam suicide lead isn't that awful)

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unaware generally isn't preferred on pecha over prankster or intimidate as setup is not that common and the setup that does exist pecha already mostly beats anyway (idbp zama) or just dies to regardless (SD chomp/gambit)

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investing spd into pecha also generally isn't advised as pecha is primarily geared towards checking phys threats, especially given the lack of defensive amp you'd prefer all the physbulk you can get

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the special threats like latios, ghold or prima still mostly blow past it anyway

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galvanize raikou is just a plain bad set, remove it, you get completely stone walled by swampert or any vabs mon and still lose to usual checks like rmoon as well

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you also lack any speed control which leaves you pretty vulnerable against stuff like chien pao and deoxys-speed that can ravage your team quite badly

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protean ddance rmoon isn't also a good set as you aren't really bulky enough to utilise it in the way you want without fluffy

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i would advise entirely restarting the team and deciding first what direction or sets you wish to focus on supporting as this is just not a great team

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a more balanced approach would require a far better defensive core and speed control than what it is currently required while lead HO/Offense probably requires a far more aggressive team rather than the mostly weak progress makers here (bar specs moth which) and the compromises with sets like unaware pecha

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the sample teams exist and provide a good general framework of how most good teams are built and you can take inspiration from those, even if a bit dated

craggy oar Apr 2, 2025, 12:13 PM

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i used have a really good sticky webs team in this format but it was ruined by the banning of Wake, Dragonite (i didn't even use aerilate, i used primordial sea), and triage (i had on sinistcha)

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It's so difficult to make a team that I enjoy in this format because it's so fun but it feels so forced like OU

dusk pasture Apr 2, 2025, 12:18 PM

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unfortunately this is a place where i can only give advice on improving teams

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you're free to run whatever you want but i cant advise for you to come here and try to make something like galvanize raikou work

pine ridge Apr 5, 2025, 5:30 PM

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https://pokepast.es/91845c5b32920c76 can someone improve it im hard stuck

umbral lavaBOT Apr 5, 2025, 5:30 PM

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New [Gen 7] Pure Hackmons RMT @reef merlin, @mint crypt. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

mint crypt Apr 5, 2025, 5:31 PM

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well to start wdym stuck

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there are a few minor changes like making maud and bro min speed, -speed nature and all for better pivoting, and making Pdon sacred fire/fire lash to have a better mu into celesteela and more importantly Kart, but the team looks relatively solid

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one option you could take is swapping zygarde for innards chansey, which would help with the overall passivity of your team, in which case you would want whirlwind over spectral on bro

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chansey would also make it easier to slot and set hazards, punishing teams that have less sweepers, while also offering an out against opposing mmx/kart with coverage for bro

shrewd spoke Apr 6, 2025, 2:55 AM

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i would also not run sash on pdon

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and would honestly opt for a pursuiter somewhere because as it stands rn you autolose to innards

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cant even chip it down w hazards because there is no hazards

mint crypt Apr 6, 2025, 3:07 AM

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your other two options as don are pretty much shell or lum, they have fog + zpshot so sash can be maintained fairly consistently, which is why I didn't mention that

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you could go plate/memory but its already fully proofed so it's not an issue

shrewd spoke Apr 6, 2025, 3:19 AM

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yeah but the problem with sash is that what does it even do

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don has solid bulk to live a lot so its basically only for no guarders which you DONT need to check as don

mint crypt Apr 6, 2025, 3:54 AM

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mainly for consistency, after smash you can get cheesed by random ladder garbage, and sash helps mitigate that

surreal nacelle Apr 7, 2025, 7:43 AM

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Mega Audino could probably use Stealth Rock over Spectral Thief, since you'll need some form of hazards but aren't passing stats off to anyone using the maud

mint crypt Apr 7, 2025, 10:55 AM

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main reason I didn't change maud spectral is it can be used to break sashes for imp

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 4:05 PM

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With Relay Race being the omotm this month, I had a dumb concept but it just might work

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So numel is the only SV mon with simple

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It has growth and stockpile

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In theory maybe a sun build with numel for instant hyper boosting could be viable?

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Perhaps with a deo-s lumped on at the end for a late game stored power cleaner

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 4:25 PM

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not only is it the fastest way to get boosts, but its also got roar

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 6:11 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a17e5c2bddb8c333

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heres my current prototype

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unsure about the deo set outside of taunt and sp

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also uncertain about where to slot wish on alo

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(this is all for relay race btw)

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 7:21 PM

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https://pokepast.es/c1ef8b6c4cdce96f

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minor team update, i came up with the best haze pex counterplay imaginable

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+4 60 SpA Numel Earth Power vs. 248 HP / 108 SpD Toxapex: 306-360 (100.9 - 118.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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simply delete it

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 10:45 PM

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lilac steppe With Relay Race being the omotm this month, I had a dumb concept but it just mig...

yes but your opp will definitely know that

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:06 PM

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plush flint yes but your opp will definitely know that

I mean yeah

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Even then a lot of metagame staples don’t have the immediate tools to deal with it a lot of the time

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Especially clefable

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:14 PM

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lilac steppe Even then a lot of metagame staples don’t have the immediate tools to deal with ...

that sounds pretty questionable

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is taunt not everywhere

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:16 PM

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Not on the ones that count

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Clef, Gholdengo, Pex

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Generally you only need like a turn of boosting

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:17 PM

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lilac steppe Clef, Gholdengo, Pex

does clef even exist anymore

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also since when did pex exist

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:17 PM

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pex is good at hazing

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clef is still in the tier and arguably the best mon in it

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:18 PM

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lilac steppe clef is still in the tier and arguably the best mon in it

no its not

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gholdengo is the best now

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:18 PM

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Possibly second to gholdengo

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Yea

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Either way those two are at the top of everything

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And spdef numel fares well into both

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:18 PM

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lilac steppe Possibly second to gholdengo

i dont think its second either

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:18 PM

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what do you think is?

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:19 PM

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something that isnt clef

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:19 PM

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clef is really good

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Like really really good

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:19 PM

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lilac steppe Like really really good

yeah, and excadrill and tinkaton are also pretty good

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so are taunters like cyclizar and landorus

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ogerpon-wellspring (going to get banned)

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:20 PM

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I’m not counting it

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Cycl is up there for sure

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I have not heard of or seen a tinkaton

plush flint Apr 9, 2025, 11:21 PM

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lilac steppe I have not heard of or seen a tinkaton

sad

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nobody likes it but me

lilac steppe Apr 9, 2025, 11:21 PM

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Lando is quite good, as is exca, both are a tad bit problematic for lil numel

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Exca less so than Lando

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Because Exca can always just yk

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Drop dead to it

sudden rivet Apr 10, 2025, 9:12 PM

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https://pokepast.es/a435b2d8e75601bf

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I've been having mixed sucess with this team but i really like the pokemon and playstyle of this team. Any suggestions? (Almost Any Ability)

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https://pokepast.es/a055147f0bcbc53f I also use this team a ton, i'm not really sure which one is better.

pine ridge Apr 13, 2025, 11:12 AM

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https://pokepast.es/4be4fc18d865cb4a

mint crypt Apr 13, 2025, 11:18 AM

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pine ridge https://pokepast.es/4be4fc18d865cb4a

you want natdex non-ou, this is for OM's https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

ocean swallow Apr 14, 2025, 10:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9c8e254ddd0f9c3f

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what do we think about this

shrewd spoke Apr 14, 2025, 10:38 PM

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ocean swallow what do we think about this

https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060339824537641152

pine ridge Apr 18, 2025, 1:33 PM

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https://pokepast.es/071a17926b626585 what yall think

real osprey Apr 18, 2025, 1:34 PM

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pine ridge https://pokepast.es/071a17926b626585 what yall think

this is still not the right place, try https://discord.com/channels/192713314399289344/1060037469472555028

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 4:47 PM

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https://pokepast.es/b0b5030ac4bd13b9

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any suggestions or feedback on this team?

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Roaring moon kinda runs you over

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Latios too

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:44 PM

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yeah that's true, i have bodypress corv to help with moon

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swamp usually keeps latios at bay or allows for a pivot

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:45 PM

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full warren Roaring moon kinda runs you over

what would you suggest changing?

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:49 PM

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Hmm. So the main structural problem I see is that there’s not a ton of synergy in your breakers, which means you need to have two guys with almost no defensive utility and still can’t reliably win faster

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I think the Zama makes sense, but I would probably swap out either deoxys or dengo for someone with more utility to go with their breaking

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And then maybe change the scream tail set so it’s less passive

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:50 PM

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full warren And then maybe change the scream tail set so it’s less passive

i had to make screamtail unaware since i was really struggling with sets like stamina prim etc. it used to be the usual boomburst pixilate

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what would you reccomend swapping deox and dengo out for?

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i was thinking of swapping deoxys out for tusk for another hazard control mon but that's all i can think of really

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:52 PM

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I think you could very easily make the scream tail pixi again for more breaking power and then swap the deoxys for something like toxic moth

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Though that makes moon worse

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Hmm

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:52 PM

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yup...

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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full warren I think you could very easily make the scream tail pixi again for more breaking ...

100% keep these the same?

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Well maybe we could make the corv fluffy

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And then fit in another fire check

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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hmmm

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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That solves moon

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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fluffy corv with specs primordial sea prim?

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that solves the role of wall breaker too

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Yeah that should work

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Maybe make swampert stone edge over endeavor

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So it can hit moltres

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And then fires are pretty much solved

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:55 PM

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oh yeah that was something i was trying haha

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i swapped it because moltres kinda destroys with solar beam so i didn't have much of a chance to use it

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:56 PM

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Yeah, it’s more so you can take it on 1v1, since you have Primarina to punish solar beam now

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:56 PM

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ah yeah good idea

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i think that looks good

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maybe a dragon for my last slot?

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:56 PM

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Yeah could easily go roaring moon or chomper here

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:57 PM

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hmmm

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what set would you reccomend with moon?

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i feel like i have quite a few choice items, magic guard is taken by zama and swamp is my special wall

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:57 PM

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Yeah true

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I think moon is probably not the way then

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:57 PM

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yeah

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maybe iron boulder for a lategame sweeper?

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sharpness weakness policy swords dance

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boulder or minior sounds good for a sweeper

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 6:58 PM

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I don’t really like boulder, I think he’s overrated, but it’s not the worst idea

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You could also make

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Zama howl over quick attack

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And have him be the late game sweeper

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 6:59 PM

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quick attack has saved me quite a bit

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i'd need another mon with priority mon my last slot

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and again my team struggles with setup sweepers now

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 7:00 PM

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Idt there’s a ton of good priority in aaa atm

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 7:01 PM

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what would you reccomend?

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metagross could fit in well possibly with tinted lens

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 7:01 PM

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I might run either a cm guy like sinistcha or Ursaluna blood moon

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Or a priority user like kingambit

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But I don’t think you have to do that

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 7:02 PM

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would calm mind ursaluna with unaware be viable?

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it has vacuum wave to so kind of solves priority too.

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 7:04 PM

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It’s a usable set yet

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 7:04 PM

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to be honest i still feel like tusk would fit well but then that doesn't solve priority

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another hazard control mon would be good

full warren Apr 18, 2025, 7:04 PM

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You could slot a tusk there and then just rely on scarf scream tail as your speed control

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It’s faster than most things even after a setup

sudden rivet Apr 18, 2025, 7:05 PM

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true true

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what about swapping primarina for a latios and replacing crunch on zama with quick attack

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latios would solve the pecha problem too

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let me cook something up rq

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https://pokepast.es/829aa43fc98a46d5 i feel like this could work well

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latios solves the grass weakness the other team would have

sturdy lake May 2, 2025, 3:36 AM

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https://pokepast.es/24f3fd9bf38d8a2f trademarked balance team. Couple sets I like here like roaring moon and corv. Dudunsparce always gets value. Disable on Val is always helpful. Sub on switch is good and lefties allow para fishing. Meow has cloak because I faced an imprison whirlpool transform u-turn mew and I don’t know how else to handle it. Haze is helpful but I don’t know if another haze user would be better here.

shrewd spoke May 2, 2025, 4:17 AM

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i dont think anyone can help you considering the meta has been out for like 3 seconds

frigid jolt May 2, 2025, 7:15 AM

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Trademarked?

oblique chasm May 2, 2025, 7:21 AM

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An OM where the ability slot can be replaced for a status move the user can learn, that is used on switch-in every time

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 8:33 AM

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https://pokepast.es/69cc3188f640b200
Godly gift?

umbral lavaBOT May 2, 2025, 8:33 AM

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New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

frigid jolt May 2, 2025, 11:36 AM

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oblique chasm An OM where the ability slot can be replaced for a status move the user can lear...

every time?

plush flint May 2, 2025, 1:57 PM

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yeah

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 3:08 PM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/69cc3188f640b200 Godly gift?

I like the idea of using NDM god but the semi-rain feels out of place as rain itself is fairly HO and this seems more like a balanced team tbh

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Corv being there feels out of place but I personally think rain itself is at a bit of a downtrend since the Gale Wings ban

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So I think you should focus on Maushold + NDM than rain but not sure what you were thinking

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 3:19 PM

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Rain was there because I wanted to boost araquanid's damage, both corv and NDM appreciate the fire debuff and zapdos can get a boost to hurricane accuracy, though it is pretty fair

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 3:21 PM

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Yeah rain as support is not necessary in that regard. I do like the idea of Webs NDM as it is slow initially but I think taking advantage of that moreso is decent

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And it can give you a potent lead

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Ara in SpA is crazy tbh

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Like in a good way because Water Bubble is already ridiculous

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 3:39 PM

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https://pokepast.es/7e375574dea7ca2d
Maybe something like this?

umbral lavaBOT May 2, 2025, 3:39 PM

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New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

prime bane May 2, 2025, 3:45 PM

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Tidy up with webs seems very counterintuitive

sterile elk May 2, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Yeah

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and nobody really benefits of the webs here

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imo you have to add morning sun to ndm

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remove araquanid

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change the set of maushold at least uturn

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 3:48 PM

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💔

sterile elk May 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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and lando + zap + skel doesn't seems great honestly

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skel seems out of place

sterile elk May 2, 2025, 3:49 PM

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dense thistle 💔

you could still keep araquanid but you'd have to remove lando + zap + skel and go on a more offensive version

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:04 PM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/7e375574dea7ca2d Maybe something like this?

If you're going to run a psychic move on ndm photon geyser is probably better, idt screens is very big rn (tho I haven't played in a bit so I could be wrong) so I don't think psychic fangs is necessary

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Tho that's probably the move you put morning sun over anyway

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 4:13 PM

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https://pokepast.es/12df8bdf41ef23a2 I may or may not know what I am doing emoji_61

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:19 PM

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prime bane Tidy up with webs seems very counterintuitive

Mfw I didn't even realize this: concern

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Yeah Tidy Up + Webs is no bueno

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:19 PM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/12df8bdf41ef23a2 I may or may not know what I am doing <:emo...

This new version is looking better though why the Skarm > Corv

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Also the team itself is reliant on Tera to take care of Fire types so I would think a Water in Def (like Primarina?) could be worth it

pine ridge May 2, 2025, 4:22 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3946a1bc45a812d6 this is a customs team, I just wanna hear opinions

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:23 PM

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@dense thistle Could also try Rotom-W in HP

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I think that may actually be better as that alleviates the Ground weakness a bit and gives you a Fire resist

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 4:24 PM

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pine ridge https://pokepast.es/3946a1bc45a812d6 this is a customs team, I just wanna hear o...

Shedninja is noob bait

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It's always pretty terrible since most mons need to reliably counter wonder guard

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With like moongeister beam and sun steel strike

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Also hazards

pine ridge May 2, 2025, 4:26 PM

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what do u suggest as a replacement

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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pliant coral <@710566702710259803> Could also try Rotom-W in HP

I feel like waterpon could become a bit of a problem, skarm can't really switch into an sd waterpon, as it gets 2hkoed unless it has iron defense, so as long as they can handle or force out ironpress skarm waterpon is really strong into this

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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That is true

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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Especially if it's receiving a big atk like ndm or smth

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:30 PM

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Woger is always annoying though 😦

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:31 PM

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The stab is really hard to check

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:31 PM

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Yeah

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Doesn't help that like the only real check GG has is Hydrapple

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Not many Dragons around and the ones we do have could just die to a PR

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Maybe a Dragon Tera somewhere?

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Like on Skarm even?

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:34 PM

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Just need something that can switch in on its stab without dying the next turn or something that outspeeds it without boosts

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Tho the first one is a tall order

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:39 PM

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Yeah

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~~Woger ban in GG y/y~~

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:42 PM

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~~free ferro gamefreak~~

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Yo could we actually get a waterpon suspect before ompl?

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 4:51 PM

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I doubt it tbh

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 4:52 PM

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blobpensive

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Maybe I'll post about it in the gg thread

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 5:07 PM

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I'd love to see that

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I need to make a post myself what with OMPL starting up and whatnot

sacred oriole May 2, 2025, 5:24 PM

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if you started a test today you could finish voting in time for week one but it would be tight

dense thistle May 2, 2025, 5:35 PM

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sacred oriole if you started a test today you could finish voting in time for week one but it ...

BIRD!!!

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rowletspin

pliant coral May 2, 2025, 5:55 PM

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sacred oriole if you started a test today you could finish voting in time for week one but it ...

My issue is I am not council (rip) so I have no clue tbf if Woger is even on the radar concern

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But ig OMPL can showcase issues at the top level of play too

compact dirge May 2, 2025, 7:24 PM

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I'd need to compile more evidence against it before I posted

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My main points rn are that it becomes an unstoppable monster after just one swords dance and despite the fact that it's stabs are both resisted by grass, there's barely any grass types that are bulky enough to stand up to it and it's potential coverage ~~venusaur ftw~~

severe thorn May 2, 2025, 11:54 PM

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shrewd spoke i dont think anyone can help you considering the meta has been out for like 3 se...

I think the meta has been spotlighted before in the past so I’m sure there has been developments

pliant coral May 3, 2025, 2:23 AM

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compact dirge My main points rn are that it becomes an unstoppable monster after just one swor...

Also mention not too many "good" Dragons

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Though this convo is more of a #comp-general-2 thing atp

compact dirge May 3, 2025, 10:36 PM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/12df8bdf41ef23a2 I may or may not know what I am doing <:emo...

Yo bird, did you make any edits to your team? I could give it a look if you did. (Tho I'm not an official rater so take their word over mine)

dense thistle May 4, 2025, 6:04 AM

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compact dirge Yo bird, did you make any edits to your team? I could give it a look if you did....

https://pokepast.es/5aa332e641a203be

compact dirge May 4, 2025, 6:45 PM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/5aa332e641a203be

At first glance it seems you've forgotten several tera types

dense thistle May 4, 2025, 6:48 PM

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compact dirge At first glance it seems you've forgotten several tera types

I just forgot fairy driftblim and steel rotom W

compact dirge May 4, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Tera Dark would be more useful on meow imo bc sometimes you just need sucker punch to go just a little further, tho that's preference

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Also the rotom set isn't very good. AV Rotom-W isn't really a thing, and even if it was you'd want to max out our spdef to make the most of av

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If you want a specially bulky rotom, I recommend you switch the item for lefties and just go max hp max spdef

sacred oriole May 4, 2025, 7:42 PM

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@atomic canyon AAA goes here

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First glance, Serene Grace Pecha is the only thing that really stands out as needs improvement

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It has much better, more consistent abilities to run like Prankster, Initimdate, Earth Eater, or Corrosion

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Zapdos usually prefers U-turn over Volt Switch to keep momentum against Swampert; or, you can replace Thunder with Weather Ball for “triple stab”

atomic canyon May 4, 2025, 7:44 PM

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sacred oriole First glance, Serene Grace Pecha is the only thing that really stands out as nee...

Apologies.

atomic canyon May 4, 2025, 7:44 PM

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sacred oriole Zapdos usually prefers U-turn over Volt Switch to keep momentum against Swampert...

This team goes mainly for pivot spam, cause it's pretty fun to spam pivot.

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It's offensive pivot spam and Pecharunt is there as to spread poison and deal quite a good amount of damage with hex.

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Seen more Manaphy over Swampert tho.

sacred oriole May 4, 2025, 7:53 PM

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If you want Pecha to spread Toxic Corrosion is more reliable

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It can also pivot spam with Prankster Parting Shot

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Zapdos is hard pressed to fit all the moves it wants, so double electric is leaving yourself without coverage

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I’d do Weather Ball over Thunder or U-turn over Volt Switch

atomic canyon May 4, 2025, 7:54 PM

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sacred oriole If you want Pecha to spread Toxic Corrosion is more reliable

True, true, you're not wrong w that.

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And prankster parting shot is good as well.

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Thanks for the advice, but for now, I'll use volt switch. I get wym though, and I'll think more about it.

dense thistle May 6, 2025, 10:18 AM

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https://pokepast.es/dea80abb7c136c6f finally found a team I like

umbral lavaBOT May 6, 2025, 10:18 AM

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New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 10:32 AM

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why do you have expanding force hoopa without psurge ?

dense thistle May 6, 2025, 10:33 AM

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sterile elk why do you have expanding force hoopa without psurge ?

Good point

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 10:33 AM

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specs helec doesn't seem really good here without a lando / other defensive mon for backup

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and in general helec isn't very good in ho

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hoopa don't bring a lot here imo

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you could try to play enam-t in speed imo as a good setup mon with ground immu

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if you're scared to lose the psychic immu you can play tera dark on dug ig w/ an other dark move than foul play

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i've never tried dug honestly but i don't think it really work

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etern hp slot is too important to be used for this here imo

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use an other tera on etern too water isn't really good (smth like ghost is better)

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glimm + dug seems to be the main problem of the team tho

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if you gained an extra slot by removing one of them it could really help you to have fewer problems both defensively and offensively imo

pliant coral May 6, 2025, 1:59 PM

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sterile elk and in general helec isn't very good in ho

I would argue against this if it is Boots

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But it would need to also be strictly VoltTurn HO which this team doesn't seem to be

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This looks more like hazardstack offense

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I think LSDA's suggestion of dropping Dug/Glimm will help free up a slot for the team to put something in that is more beneficial for the team (such as another pivot mon to pair with Helec)

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You can drop Hands for like DarkShifu just to have that Dark type to not lose the Psychic immunity from dropping Hoopa-U for Enam

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Then you have your VoltTurn core for the team

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 2:10 PM

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Darkshifu is too much of a downgrade imo its not like there are 2000 psychic types in gg

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Just use a steel/dark tera somewhere and you'll be fine i think

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 2:12 PM

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pliant coral I would argue against this *if* it is Boots

yea maybe but idk if its worth the spa slot here honestly

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Boots is 10x better tho

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 2:13 PM

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pliant coral I think LSDA's suggestion of dropping Dug/Glimm will help free up a slot for the...

Lando sd uturn eq rock move that drop mon on the ground w/ soft sand could be really good here

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And you will have the ground immunity you needed so you can afford to play smth else in speed

pliant coral May 6, 2025, 2:14 PM

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sterile elk Darkshifu is too much of a downgrade imo its not like there are 2000 psychic typ...

This is fair. I was just thinking about their want for a Psychic immunity. Hands is probably the better choice overall

pliant coral May 6, 2025, 2:15 PM

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sterile elk Lando sd uturn eq rock move that drop mon on the ground w/ soft sand could be re...

I like this

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Something like:

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Ability: Intimidate  
Tera Type: Ground  
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Earthquake  
- Smack Down  
- U-turn  
- Swords Dance```

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EVs could be a tad bulkier if you want to utilize Def but if you slot in HP, the jump is big enough to keep EVs and still tank hits

sterile elk May 6, 2025, 2:25 PM

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yeah that's the set

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i've used it before it's goated

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you don't need more bulk because you're taking eter hp anw imo

pliant coral May 6, 2025, 2:34 PM

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True

dense thistle May 8, 2025, 9:23 AM

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https://pokepast.es/02e9bbd3f8a19268
This team came to me in a dream
(Edited because apparently I deleted the last letter in the link so it didn't work)

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Probably u turn > heat wave or just putting torn in hp and using a different mon in spa

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So probably something like this https://pokepast.es/d368b6492c84f61c

umbral lavaBOT May 8, 2025, 9:33 AM

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New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @pliant coral, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sterile elk May 8, 2025, 12:37 PM

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tornadus isn't good here imo

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you need smth more offensive

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with moltres-g you can drop tera dark etern and play a tera ghost/fire instead

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tera ghost can help you against tusk which is good for your team

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you need smth else in speed imo

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urshifu and ihands are too much similar

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band urshifu water isn't very good

honest creek May 9, 2025, 3:19 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8029210618d73cf2 idk who to ping but here is my trademarked team!

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currently trying to abuse zamazenta before it gets banned

proper lotus May 14, 2025, 11:43 AM

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honest creek https://pokepast.es/8029210618d73cf2 idk who to ping but here is my trademarked ...

Well toxic got banned but zamazenta isnt really a threat imo, theres wallbreakers with better stab combos that dont rely on choice items

plush flint May 14, 2025, 11:53 AM

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proper lotus Well toxic got banned but zamazenta isnt really a threat imo, theres wallbreaker...

zamazenta got banned

proper lotus May 14, 2025, 11:55 AM

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Oh didn't know

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/9962f808f9d7186c

umbral lavaBOT May 16, 2025, 3:45 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @real osprey, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @sacred oriole, @gloomy elm. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:45 PM

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atomic canyon https://pokepast.es/9962f808f9d7186c

Thoughts?

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:46 PM

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I am legally required to inform you up front that Rain is not very good rn, but we can still work with it

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Oger is the best swift swimmer for sure

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:46 PM

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I have Treads as a DEDICATED counter to desolate land Moth.

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Also cool rocker!

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:46 PM

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Tinted works best on Choice-item guys so they can switch moves less; I would either make Zapdos Specs, or switch to a more conventional amp ability like Beads or Hadron

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:47 PM

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sacred oriole Tinted works best on Choice-item guys so they can switch moves less; I would eit...

Isn’t hadron bad on Zapdos since he’s a flying type? Apologies if I’m wrong.

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:47 PM

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you still get the 4/3rds amp

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you just don't get the extra 30% on electric moves

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:47 PM

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Ohhh, okay. I didn’t know what ability to slap on Zap, so yk, yeah.

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But thanks!

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:48 PM

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your team struggles hard into DesoLand; I like to include a PSea guy like Volc to switch into them and force them out more offensively

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and I would consider replacing Moon with someone that better takes advantage of the rain, like Choice Band Barra

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:49 PM

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sacred oriole your team struggles hard into DesoLand; I like to include a PSea guy like Volc t...

Yeah… Treads is my best bet because of WBB, but you right.

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:49 PM

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sacred oriole and I would consider replacing Moon with someone that better takes advantage of ...

Good idea, I used Moon for speed control but this helps plenty.

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:50 PM

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rain in general is largely a "Can they switch into +2 / +2 Ogerpon? if no I win, if yes, well, shit"

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SAC depriving us of a second swift swimmer is tough

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:51 PM

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What would Barras run as an ability? I want a pivot into Moth, so primordial sea would have to go to a bulkier guy.

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Tinted or TC both work

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:52 PM

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Got it. 👍

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:52 PM

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~~if council was based you could do Water Bubble~~

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:53 PM

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If only.

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:53 PM

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Oh Primarina probably wants Sparklina Aria over Surf

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Or fit Psychic Noise on it

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Sub users (especially Zama) are really painful for rain teams cause they can sub freely against Corv

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 3:54 PM

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sacred oriole Sub users (especially Zama) are really painful for rain teams cause they can sub...

Oof, you’re so right, thank you.

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I have to come back in a second. Can you give me a few bulky primordial sea users?

sacred oriole May 16, 2025, 3:58 PM

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Volcanion is pretty good

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you could also do stuff like make the Primarina PSea, or add Arch

atomic canyon May 16, 2025, 4:14 PM

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sacred oriole you could also do stuff like make the Primarina PSea, or add Arch

Oh, P-sea Arch sounds good tbh. Would AV work?

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Or lefties so I could add rocks?

dense thistle May 19, 2025, 12:02 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2e50ae5fe74f2e1e
Balanced hackmon team- pretty sure kyurem-W is not that good, ditto with xercuitree

umbral lavaBOT May 19, 2025, 12:02 PM

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New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @shrewd spoke, @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd spoke May 19, 2025, 12:03 PM

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a lot of this is pretty bad

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there's minimal offensive synergy, you instantly lose to imposter, the defensive core is incredibly flimsy

dense thistle May 19, 2025, 12:08 PM

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shrewd spoke there's minimal offensive synergy, you instantly lose to imposter, the defensive...

What do you mean with offensive synergy?

shrewd spoke May 19, 2025, 12:09 PM

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ok so like

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you have this kyurem-w who benefits from having special walls crippled with trick knock and status

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but your xurkitree isnt doing that

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in fact none of your guys are doing that

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you have this arc which is the same physically but you're supporting it with a chien-pao (not enough damage) and a dubious sapblocking scheme

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and again you need to account for imposter

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and the defensive core means this is leaning more onto hyper offense but they fail to check anything you're struggling with at all (notably imposter)

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i suggest looking at the sample teams to see what you're working with

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https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/balanced-hackmons.3710859/post-9399546

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if you want to load hyper offense of which there's none in the samples rn i can pass you some too

brisk carbon May 20, 2025, 3:44 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8a4a7ee310cc221e

umbral lavaBOT May 20, 2025, 3:44 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @real osprey, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @sacred oriole, @gloomy elm. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

brisk carbon May 20, 2025, 3:45 PM

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i am aware zama-c's ability is preset

sacred oriole May 20, 2025, 3:50 PM

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Zapdos and Pecha don't really fit on screens ho

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if you're going to go with screens corv, you really want all five (or four out of five, with the last being some sort of speed control) to be capable of taking advantage

proven fossil May 28, 2025, 8:41 AM

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Hey i guess that trademarked is posted here?

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https://pokepast.es/db14231a66236888
https://pokepast.es/76970b68d1178e0a
ive got these two and i want to improve at least 1 of them

dense thistle May 29, 2025, 7:27 AM

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https://pokepast.es/1cebb6b4789b3a81 @shrewd spoke

shrewd spoke May 29, 2025, 8:02 AM

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dense thistle https://pokepast.es/1cebb6b4789b3a81 <@1152259894183997490>

im sorry please look at sample teams this is completely unviable

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theres some workable ideas but theres 0 synergy and you lose to every meta threat ever

dense thistle May 29, 2025, 8:03 AM

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ogerooh

sudden rivet May 31, 2025, 10:57 AM

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How's my AAA team? https://pokepast.es/160bc6a5a9e8974d (corvi has rocky helm leftovers was a mistake)

umbral lavaBOT May 31, 2025, 10:57 AM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @real osprey, @timid meadow, @sacred oriole, @gloomy elm. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

spice agate May 31, 2025, 12:45 PM

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https://pokepast.es/85de67e0f3674df2

umbral lavaBOT May 31, 2025, 12:45 PM

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Hey @spice agate, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9vgc team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1059704283072831499 instead.

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:44 AM

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sudden rivet How's my AAA team? https://pokepast.es/160bc6a5a9e8974d (corvi has rocky helm le...

Whoops I missed this

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Adapt Pao is unironically weaker than SoR Pao, since you’re going for coverage on it

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:44 AM

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all good

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i’ve made a few changes to the team since then

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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Barra is generally better as Band, but it overlaps a lot with Pao here

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Oh let’s see the newer version then

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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i think i changed barra from scarf to band and changed gholdengo from that set to the basic hadron engine set with scarf

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:45 AM

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Both good changes

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:46 AM

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not at my pc rn but they’re the only changes i think leme check

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:46 AM

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Fluffy Corv is hard to pull off as the mono physical wall on BO, as it gets fried by a few common things like Fires, Ogerpon, and Pao

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:47 AM

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yeah true

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:47 AM

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I would consider a secondary physically guy like making your regen Physdef Mana or making Ghold WBB

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:47 AM

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hmmm alright who would i swap them with

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:47 AM

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Or you can lean into a more offensive team and be willing to play a sack war if it comes to it

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:48 AM

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i prefer more bulky (ish usually with 1 phys wall and one special wall) teams and play around them

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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You could try regenvest physdef Mana over Pert

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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yeah that sounds good

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:49 AM

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It covers fluffy Corv’s weaknesses well and still does okay into special guys

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:50 AM

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if you get a spare moment do you mind editing the team for me? i’m in bed so i’ll probably forget haha

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:50 AM

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And you have moth and Ghold and Barra to soft check things with immmnitirs

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lol sure, sec

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 12:51 AM

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thanks no rush ofc

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 12:54 AM

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https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/view-team-1122655

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I tweaked moth a little too

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Spreading para or laying toxic spikes are both really helpful for Barra and Pao

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If you want to make it more offensive again that’s fine

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I just hate clicking Solar Beam cause it’s death into PSea

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 1:01 AM

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tysm i prefer a middle ground between aggro and defence so its perfect haha

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appreciate your help

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 1:08 AM

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sacred oriole I just hate clicking Solar Beam cause it’s death into PSea

With manaphy being there to make my team better into water and having discharge instead of solar beam do you think it would worth putting hadron engine on moth instead of sun?

sacred oriole Jun 2, 2025, 1:10 AM

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I could see that yeah; try it out and see how it works for you

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 1:12 AM

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yeah i’ll give the team a go tomorrow, thanks for your help! catheart

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 11:20 AM

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sacred oriole I could see that yeah; try it out and see how it works for you

Been trying this team a bit and it has a huge electric weakness, any tips?

atomic canyon Jun 2, 2025, 11:26 AM

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sudden rivet Been trying this team a bit and it has a huge electric weakness, any tips?

Volt absorb Corvi.

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 11:26 AM

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atomic canyon Volt absorb Corvi.

ALRIGHTY THANKS

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caps

atomic canyon Jun 2, 2025, 11:26 AM

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Np bro.

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 11:28 AM

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should i put the evs into spd or def with volt absorb

atomic canyon Jun 2, 2025, 11:58 AM

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sudden rivet should i put the evs into spd or def with volt absorb

Most v-absorb Corvi’s are sp. def.

sudden rivet Jun 2, 2025, 11:58 AM

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atomic canyon Most v-absorb Corvi’s are sp. def.

ALRIGHT THANKS

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caps again...

atomic canyon Jun 2, 2025, 11:58 AM

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Since usually phys def runs WBB.

severe thorn Jun 6, 2025, 8:46 AM

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https://pokepast.es/d15dce6b0ffd7b06

teraless meta, no idea how to build, the last team was a shitty mono psychic band ice rider TR LMAO

plush flint Jun 6, 2025, 1:10 PM

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your team seems kinda random

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talonflame is just there and staraptor simply stacks another ice weakness for what exactly

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you also have no spdef wall

severe thorn Jun 6, 2025, 11:47 PM

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plush flint you also have no spdef wall

I guess I could switch to spdef eternatus, and I am really used to using talonflame as a defogger when i played OU stall.

And eternatus I just heard that physdef is viable here and as a Ubers main I wanted to try it out.

Maybe offensive eternatus is great too? Idk

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Honestly at this point I just wanna make a team around offensive eternatus that isn’t stupid webs HO or stuff

plush flint Jun 7, 2025, 12:03 AM

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severe thorn Honestly at this point I just wanna make a team around offensive eternatus that ...

youll need checks for psyspam then

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although basically every team needs checks for it lol

severe thorn Jun 7, 2025, 12:05 AM

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plush flint youll need checks for psyspam then

I mostly just used roaring moon to deal with psyspam in places where it’s viable, but idk what to do here.

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NDM?

plush flint Jun 7, 2025, 12:05 AM

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maybe, havent seen much ndm

severe thorn Jun 7, 2025, 12:05 AM

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Ndm gets cooked hard by so many things without Tera lmao

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Ho-Oh used sacred fire!

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Arcanine used will-o-wisp!

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Twave

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And more…

plush flint Jun 7, 2025, 12:06 AM

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severe thorn Ho-Oh used sacred fire!

thats just status in general

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the lack of steels makes status extremely good

severe thorn Jun 7, 2025, 12:06 AM

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There are so many options and no VR rankings here, I am like omega stuck

plush flint Jun 7, 2025, 12:06 AM

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and naclstack is trash and dengo gets no boost

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reuni dark weak, clefable no boost, clefairy bad

severe thorn Jun 7, 2025, 12:07 AM

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Time to load up para spam!

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FT: Sub offensive Ho-Oh!

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Sadly they didn’t make Fairyceus legal for some reason

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Think it would be perfectly balanced here

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Etern NDM Ho-Oh all cooks

true harbor Jun 9, 2025, 9:59 AM

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https://pokepast.es/e2e9c1b044f14380 Gen 9 Pure Hackmons

shrewd spoke Jun 9, 2025, 10:10 AM

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true harbor https://pokepast.es/e2e9c1b044f14380 Gen 9 Pure Hackmons

ok so this team is not rly coherent in any way

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i suggest looking at the sample teams

true harbor Jun 9, 2025, 11:05 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8c840e5270e141f7 Tier Shift

severe thorn Jun 9, 2025, 12:11 PM

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true harbor https://pokepast.es/e2e9c1b044f14380 Gen 9 Pure Hackmons

Shell smash cosmic power 😭

coarse mural Jun 9, 2025, 3:08 PM

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Made these for tier shift. IDK if this is the right thread for it but I'd appreciate the help regardless. Trying to build around Excadrill and or slot in as many faves in the team as possible.

https://pokepast.es/1edd8656ad349c10

https://pokepast.es/7e905c36bbf1ad7e

Still not entirely sure about what to bring for the format but IK I want future sight wall breaking supplemented with drill for clean up and hazard removal.

sacred oriole Jun 9, 2025, 3:11 PM

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this is the right place, @vague sorrel get in here

coarse mural Jun 9, 2025, 4:15 PM

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coarse mural Made these for tier shift. IDK if this is the right thread for it but I'd apprec...

oh yea more on this for anyone with the time to help

i definitely wanna keep ttar and drill, i'm 50:50 about keeping braviary cuz i like it almost as much, and i'm cool with using literally anyone else if need be

true harbor Jun 9, 2025, 5:01 PM

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severe thorn Shell smash cosmic power 😭

Now I replaced it with corrosive gas and made chansey an impostor

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I replaced cosmic power

lilac steppe Jun 14, 2025, 6:23 PM

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https://pokepast.es/ee5d56fb47d491e8

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https://pokepast.es/4aa02763e841ad20

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https://pokepast.es/84b54b25538462dc

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Some SP teams

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I feel pretty decent about the Steelspam and Pixicade teams, though there may need to be some substitutions made, particularly to those solo slots at the ends im not sure on

The restspam team has a cool concept but needs some workshopping, it isn’t very threatening

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 12:41 AM

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lilac steppe https://pokepast.es/4aa02763e841ad20

mold breaker is out of place

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pixispam is arguably worse than scrappy unless ur using maushold

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 12:45 AM

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plush flint mold breaker is out of place

Yeah idk what to run there

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Also the pixispam team had uh
No physical way to beat like cheesey berry FEAR shit

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 12:45 AM

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either a second sweeper or something that buffs crowns bulk/offense

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 12:46 AM

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Any good candidates for either?

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Because there’s no other steel blade moves so nothings getting the full extent of the buffs

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 12:50 AM

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either download or something to prevent webs from harming you like metagross/solgaleo

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id prefer metagross for priority

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 12:51 AM

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ooh solgaleo is legal I didn’t know that but yeah meta is probs good here

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 12:51 AM

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although if you struggle against bulkier stuff solgaleo is the way to go

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sunsteel is a nuke

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 12:52 AM

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So far I haven’t been much, specs crown is decimating things, but idk if I’ve ran into proper good specially bulky teams

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Like im pretty sure it ohkos stuff like spdef Corv with just tachyon

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 1:45 AM

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plush flint pixispam is arguably worse than scrappy unless ur using maushold

I’m a lil confused abt this btw

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Why would Maus make pix better

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:47 AM

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lilac steppe Why would Maus make pix better

because pixibomb is busted

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although i havent seen it in a while

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 1:47 AM

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plush flint because pixibomb is busted

What about that makes it busted compared to scrappy

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And why is that not present without it

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:47 AM

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lilac steppe What about that makes it busted compared to scrappy

ok maybe not busted

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but very good

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:48 AM

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lilac steppe And why is that not present without it

scrappy maushold can also exist

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the issue is that its basically the only wincon

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unless you count hiligant as a wincon too

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 1:49 AM

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So why would smthn like facade spam not be nearly as effective

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:49 AM

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lilac steppe So why would smthn like facade spam not be nearly as effective

it is effective

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it just hard loses to psysurge

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 1:50 AM

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oh because of scarf expanding force?

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Or like Deo-s?

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Not familiar with the Psysurge build

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:53 AM

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lilac steppe oh because of scarf expanding force?

no its for the anti-priority

lilac steppe Jun 15, 2025, 1:54 AM

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So should I replace glisc with maus?

plush flint Jun 15, 2025, 1:55 AM

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glisc isnt good at all

umbral lavaBOT Jun 16, 2025, 4:48 AM

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Hey @summer zinc, it looks like you're trying to share a gen9anythinggoes team, but I didn't find any raters for that format in this channel. Try posting in #1208795569649356820 instead.

shrewd spoke Jun 16, 2025, 5:01 AM

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holy shit new feature

pliant coral Jun 16, 2025, 2:03 PM

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Yeah it is super nice!

meager drum Jun 24, 2025, 2:34 PM

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https://pokepast.es/adaf80aad1002da5

umbral lavaBOT Jun 24, 2025, 2:34 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @real osprey, @timid meadow, @sacred oriole, @gloomy elm. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

meager drum Jun 24, 2025, 2:34 PM

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someone take a peek at this if they dont mind?

sacred oriole Jun 24, 2025, 2:41 PM

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I am going to give my general disclaimer of the idea here is not viable at high level; that being said, if you want to stick with it, there are a few other optimizations we can do

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Maus needs Knock support, otherwise you OHKO yourself on Rocky Helmet

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I do not know what Emboar is supposed to do here, can you elaborate on why you chose him?

winter flare Jun 24, 2025, 2:42 PM

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static corv is pretty good as rm deterrent so i dont think using emboar as a cteam tech for it is the most necessery thing here? you could easily fit some offensive knock off user over it imo

sacred oriole Jun 24, 2025, 2:44 PM

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your special switchin in accept death; easiest fix there is like RegenVest Mana (also brings knock support) over emboar

meager drum Jun 24, 2025, 2:45 PM

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sacred oriole I do not know what Emboar is supposed to do here, can you elaborate on why you c...

honestly i just thought its both a strong attacker which abuses para and a free moon hardswitch

severe thorn Jun 25, 2025, 4:54 AM

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meager drum honestly i just thought its both a strong attacker which abuses para and a free ...

Earthquake

meager drum Jun 25, 2025, 2:01 PM

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https://pokepast.es/d9fcbcef7b9971c8

ok heres an honest to god ho team

umbral lavaBOT Jun 25, 2025, 2:01 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @real osprey, @timid meadow, @sacred oriole, @gloomy elm. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sudden rivet Jun 27, 2025, 6:31 PM

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https://pokepast.es/18a58e75368a0f51 How's my AAA bo?

umbral lavaBOT Jun 27, 2025, 6:31 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @sacred oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

rustic blaze Jul 9, 2025, 6:04 PM

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https://pokepast.es/317d7645166b8193

umbral lavaBOT Jul 9, 2025, 6:04 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @sacred oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

sacred oriole Jul 9, 2025, 6:06 PM

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any particular reason for the Zama?

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team is pretty weak to physical fire and pretty slow

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but otherwiese looks solid

rustic blaze Jul 9, 2025, 6:08 PM

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wanted to build around it, gets sweeps

sacred oriole Jul 9, 2025, 6:08 PM

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if you want to build around Zama you need a team that better draws out and eliminates ghosts

rustic blaze Jul 9, 2025, 6:08 PM

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did have a second verson with slither wing

sacred oriole Jul 9, 2025, 6:09 PM

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cause it will not make progress as long as pecha / ghold are alive and this team doesn't really punish either of those

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that's one of the reasons Scrappy Zama-H is run (well, before pecha got super popular at least)

agile widget Jul 11, 2025, 10:53 AM

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https://pokepast.es/8107b3eca3f15199 Lati being my only water resist feels a little bad but I'm very unsure about where to go with it zoruapwead

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@tame sandal be nice

tame sandal Jul 11, 2025, 10:59 AM

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im guessing you want this to be on a more balanced structure in which case i would drop lando and treads as a starter and drop ghold bc its a bit hard to fit and make zapdos a bulkier variant with enough spe for max speed tusk and the rest into physical bulk

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id try to grab a tusk here maybe? and you could run spd molt and bproof treads last

vagrant flower Jul 11, 2025, 8:25 PM

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https://pokepast.es/26da36b0de026379

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i'm legit going to cry

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i want to keep using this team but i don't like having multiple boots users because it's just knock off bait

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but i don't want to make it niche either

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please help....Í beg

sacred oriole Jul 12, 2025, 12:04 AM

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Try Natdex non-OU

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Might have more luck finding a rater there

vagrant flower Jul 12, 2025, 2:12 AM

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alright

severe thorn Jul 12, 2025, 2:24 PM

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vagrant flower https://pokepast.es/26da36b0de026379

Dwb dragonite is wild

amber sinew Jul 12, 2025, 9:56 PM

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https://pokepast.es/8db46e10b522b238

Any advice on how I could improve this team? (Natdex AAA)

severe thorn Jul 12, 2025, 10:37 PM

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amber sinew https://pokepast.es/8db46e10b522b238 Any advice on how I could improve this tea...

Something to deal with aerilate Dragonite

amber sinew Jul 12, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Mandibuzz can do that if it didn't use dragon dance

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Idk what else can since weavile is banned

vagrant flower Jul 12, 2025, 11:25 PM

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severe thorn Dwb dragonite is wild

we're using aerilate mind you

severe thorn Jul 13, 2025, 3:16 AM

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vagrant flower we're using aerilate mind you

Does aerilate boost moves that are already flying?

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What does dwb target specifically again

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If it’s for the sake of power use return/frustration

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But my fav set is ice spinner eq anyways

shrewd spoke Jul 13, 2025, 3:21 AM

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Extreme Speed is just better than all of those

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for aerilate purposes

vagrant flower Jul 13, 2025, 3:22 AM

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shrewd spoke Extreme Speed is just better than all of those

^

sacred oriole Jul 13, 2025, 3:42 AM

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amber sinew https://pokepast.es/8db46e10b522b238 Any advice on how I could improve this tea...

Next time you’ll probably have more luck in Natdex non-OU

dense thistle Jul 14, 2025, 12:20 PM

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https://pokepast.es/e2f809ec9a991a96
Dark spam ho

umbral lavaBOT Jul 14, 2025, 12:20 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @sacred oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd spoke Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 PM

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why are the smeargle evs like that

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i also dont think 2 choice items are the best choice in HO

dense thistle Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 PM

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For the funnies

shrewd spoke Jul 14, 2025, 12:21 PM

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generally not just in aaa

sacred oriole Jul 14, 2025, 12:24 PM

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Webs really doesn’t work with your mon choice here

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Scarf shocks / surfer moon are fast enough to not need webs, and no speed gambit is way too slow even with web support

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And Pao only gets the jump on like Zama

dusk pasture Jul 14, 2025, 12:25 PM

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pao on webs is generally fine i'd say

sacred oriole Jul 14, 2025, 12:25 PM

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I’d either use a rocks / spikes lead, or if you really want to build around webs, change up this team a lot

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Pao isn’t bad on webs, but if it’s the second best beneficiary on the team it doesn’t need to be a webs team

dusk pasture Jul 14, 2025, 12:26 PM

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as an extra general aside if you want an offensive moth generally i'd far prefer hadron engine or at least have dgleam for moon

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if you want to stick with webs u also generally want some emergency spinblocker (ie ee ghold or just np offensive)

vagrant flower Jul 19, 2025, 12:16 AM

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https://pokepast.es/de70698b82c66b53

umbral lavaBOT Jul 19, 2025, 12:16 AM

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New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @real osprey, @pliant coral, @orchid grove. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

vagrant flower Jul 19, 2025, 12:16 AM

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i require help

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please

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i made this work somehow but i'm scared im doing something wrong

sacred oriole Jul 19, 2025, 12:52 AM

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Couple of mon specific notes: Ghold should have Moongiest and Darkrai should be Nasty Plot

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If you want Webs, Bee is probably going to do a better job

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Clef is too slow to really work on a webs team

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If you’re sticking with webs I would center the team more around hard hitters like Specs Basc / Volc

vagrant flower Jul 19, 2025, 12:56 AM

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sacred oriole Couple of mon specific notes: Ghold should have Moongiest and Darkrai should be ...

should i change any of the attacks í have on darkrai?

sacred oriole Jul 19, 2025, 12:58 AM

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I would slot Ice Beam over Knock Off

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Ground types are very good, and especially with LO, you’re not getting a lot of Knocks off

pliant coral Jul 19, 2025, 1:34 AM

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Plus you wear yourself down unnecessarily with LO + Knock

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I will do a more in-depth look in just a bit

pliant coral Jul 19, 2025, 1:58 AM

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vagrant flower https://pokepast.es/de70698b82c66b53

So to me the team lacks quite a bit of physical presence...I do agree with Bee being the better Webs setter here and I also agree with adding mons like Volc or Basc...Scarf Crown feels a big underwhelming tbh and I would swap that out for something that is naturally fast or not as reliant on Webs like Blaziken or Lando-T (feels rough to stack up weaknesses in the case of Lando tho)

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Could also try IVal > Tusk/Crown

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Actually you could try Cornerpon

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Good coverage, great STABs

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Lemme know what, if any, changes you make and keep me posted on how it goes @vagrant flower

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catheart

vagrant flower Jul 19, 2025, 2:32 AM

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so long story short

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1 match Í did with the updated team went really well

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i didn't realize how much a pain ground is to deal with

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@sacred oriole @pliant coral thank you both

sacred oriole Jul 19, 2025, 2:36 AM

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Grounds are very good in STAB

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Always want to make sure you have a plan or three for them

vagrant flower Jul 19, 2025, 2:37 AM

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i originally wanted to bring a flying type in

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until i realized dragonite was banned

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and Corv is risky

pliant coral Jul 19, 2025, 4:14 AM

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You could combat them with SE moves rather than defensively

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Like using Cornerpon or a Water type

umbral lavaBOT Jul 26, 2025, 4:37 PM

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New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @sacred oriole. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

dense thistle Jul 26, 2025, 4:37 PM

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https://pokepast.es/3f13ec075a3f7934

sacred oriole Jul 26, 2025, 4:38 PM

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This team is a little disjoined

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Are you trying to build a webs team specifically? If yes we should replace several other mons, if no we should replace Smeargle

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Scarf / Dragon Danve moon does not need webs (and it should be one or the other, not both)

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Kingambit is too slow to really make use of webs

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Ghold is good on webs, but it should be your EE mon so it can spin block Tusk / Treads

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And Moltres should be replaced with a more offensive mon like Volcanion if you’re sticking with Webs

pine ridge Jul 26, 2025, 4:46 PM

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https://pokepast.es/2a68cc0825ad0da9 is this good

umbral lavaBOT Jul 26, 2025, 4:46 PM

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New [Gen 7] Pure Hackmons RMT @mint crypt, @reef merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.

shrewd spoke Jul 26, 2025, 5:30 PM

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this is

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pretty bad

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even by balance standards

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theres no reason for sash on pdon

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theres no reason for ice memory instead of ice hammer/ice shard/ice beam on mmx

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you also instantly lose to shit like evoboost mmy moongeist mmx or even just wg arc

dense thistle Jul 26, 2025, 6:00 PM

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sacred oriole Are you trying to build a webs team specifically? If yes we should replace sever...

I usually just glare memento, if I were to go against something weak to webs or immune to prankster I'd use it

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I just gave moon ddance because I noticed I wasn't using u turn at all and I felt like I was more likely to switch it in on a knock off

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(If I did that I could d dance, seems pretty situational, but it happened twice)

sacred oriole Jul 26, 2025, 6:07 PM

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U-turn is one of Roaring Moon’s best moves

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If you’re not clicking that, that’s pretty surprising

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If you’re not regularly using webs, I would replace Smeargle as well

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You could run something like Zapdos or Shocks to keep spreading Para, or move TWave onto Ghold

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