pecha is kind of the cope that keeps this team held together (very loosely) with its lack of good speed control
#OM Rates
prime bane
I think ill just make mana physdef
real osprey
I'm not sure that's the play, then you're worsening your Wake/deo-s MU by a lot
dusk pasture
dunno about that one either, your support for mana is quite off and it's shaky already
it looks ok to me as is, though it's all very loosely held together by pecha
real osprey
I'm more of a fan of the first one, this one lacks a lot of support for any of your breakers, and overall makes your MU worse against rmoon on top of having no hazard control
digital barn
https://pokepast.es/590c650a5f683e06 balanced horsemons
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
digital barn
https://pokepast.es/590c650a5f683e06 balanced horsemons
not meant to be viable just funny tbh
I wanted to use pixilate xerneas instead of raging bolt so he has to larp with galvanize
oak topaz
preferably you have some bare minimum improofing
and not have every mon lose to mg bliss
digital barn
and not have every mon lose to mg bliss
I use a different team for climbing my friend just wanted me to try and only use horse pokemon
oak topaz
you can probably make a reasonable team if you tone down the offensive stuff
digital barn
i agree 100%
oak topaz
because you have a palk a diao and a arc
which is obv not ideal defensively but can work
digital barn
yeah definitely
i'd drop raging bolt and spectrier for defensive mons
can you run multiple arceus forms?
digital barn
damn
what mons would you run for mono-horse
is there a reason that xerneas is locked to fairy aura but yveltal can run other abilities?
oak topaz
what mons would you run for mono-horse
depends on how leniant it can be
digital barn
depends on how leniant it can be
p lenient
ngl i didn't run into a single imposter chansey until I was 1460 or some shit
oak topaz
yes bh ladder doesn't begin until like 1450
oak topaz
ok actually you can just roll with the current 6
no imp obv sucks but w/e
i didnt realize bolt has very reasonable stats
digital barn
i didnt realize bolt has very reasonable stats
yeah i was shocked as well
oak topaz
you have to run some variant of fc arc to deal with ash gren
oak topaz
the alternative is fc diao which is less than optimal
digital barn
you have to run some variant of fc arc to deal with ash gren
which variant deals w ash gren best?
it runs flower trick, surging strikes, and wicked blow usually, right?
oak topaz
well technically you can cope with fc bolt
which you probably end up with anyways
but issue becomes apparent when bolt unlike mirai does not outspeed
pretty sure you need to be fairy here
no dragon resist elsewhere
oak topaz
the other issue is that the spd is overloaded when diao easily gets overwhelmed by stuff like flutter
so you kind of also need arc to do that too
so either you do dual fc palko bolt and put diao and arc on spd
no that doesn't work nvm
farmed by dragons
worthy gull
https://pokepast.es/85b18dd0c2ff0d8d yo made a bandtar team. Any suggestions? tested against ladder a little but there are... flaws in that
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @sleek merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sleek merlin
Looks pretty good as whole, only criticisms are mainly it has a lot of choiced mons
meaning if the opponent gains momentum it can be really hard to come back if they predict well
and you are overly reliant on Mortal Spin Toxapex for hazard clear, I suggest dropping SR for Defog on Lando so you can at least have an option that scares out steels
@worthy gull
worthy gull
Hmmm rocks on skarm then?
And maybe I can change ival set but I don't know for what...
worthy gull
Err after making lando change lol mb
high trellis
And maybe I can change ival set but I don't know for what...
trick specs
worthy gull
trick specs
I could see that. Main issue is that I'd be missing coverage. Drop over psy and just cripple pex like that ig?
high trellis
Drop shadow ball and simply fleur cannon the ghold
worthy gull
Oh shoot. Alr lol didn't know it did so much to scarf
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/9a122f0bdacaadda
First Mix and Mega team.
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @swift tree. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
orchid grove
Really wanted to use Cameruptite Deo-S and Blue Orb Archa.
orchid grove
Looks like it.
Oh yeah Mandi is supposed to be Whirlwind > Knock now if you opened the old ver.
Cameruptite Deo-S sounds cool af I'm just gonna say.
oak topaz
Are those Etern evs optimized
real osprey
(sorry for the wall of text) ok first off there's a lot of set choice that aren't exactly optimal;
- Spikes on Deo-S is quite bad due to Mbounce being prevalent on top of Deo-s not having any moves to threaten Corvi & Mandi, who are both common Sablenite users, so I'd recommend running either NPlot or Ice Beam > Spikes.
- The Eternatus set is a little off as well, running double-STAB leaves you prone to being stonewalled by common Steel-types, so running Flamethrower over one of them is preferred, which one doesn't really matter, Tspikes while nice is also pretty bad considering that Etern & Slowking-Galar are very common, so running either 3a or something like Toxic to help against setup is preferred. You'd also prefer to run some speed on it, I'd recommend running enough for 352 to outspeed both Lugia & Lando to either get a crucial toxic off or just get off big damage.
Another glaring issues here is your defensive core: You struggle a lot against Red Orb users, Lando-I specifically since Mandi can't handle him for long and it beats etern easily, Ho-Oh and Weavile are also huge nuisances to this team with basically only arch as an option, who either gets 2hkoed by TAxel or takes too much from EQ. https://pokepast.es/320d65d5ee9f5c44 I'd propose changes to something like this; Waterceus can handle Lando-I and Weavile as well as Dragonite with Wisp support, Slowking-Galar handles general special threats while also acting as a check to Altarianite Regieleki and the etern now has enough speed to outpace Red Orb Lugia
you can also run toxic > Sludge on Glowking to stop setup Groundceus since that can otherwise require you to boom with eleki
prime bane
couldnt you run tbolt on deos as well
real osprey
Tbolt's also a fine option; I honestly just chose Ice Beam for consistency but both are good
swift tree
Hi yes can someone take me off rater list please? Did not realize I was still there
I have not touched mnm in many months
prime bane
sure
swift tree
Ty!
orchid grove
(sorry for the wall of text) ok first off there's a lot of set choice that aren'...
Perfectly fine, dw about it.
Ty!
real osprey
happy to help (Maybe I should ask to be a helper lol)
prime bane
would be cool since we dont have raters for mnm rn
orchid grove
Come to think of it I should apply for a couple tiers myself lol.
oak topaz
(sorry for the wall of text) ok first off there's a lot of set choice that aren'...
Oh yeah can you explain the waterceus spread
During reqs there were games where I’m getting farmed by Lugia bc it’s outspeeding
real osprey
Oh yeah can you explain the waterceus spread
Oh, that spread is just enough EVs to outspeed Lando-I with rest in Bulk, etern's running 352 to outpace Lugia so not needed
oak topaz
ah ok
eager rock
https://pokepast.es/ff41dc4888946574
this is an old ubers uu team that i poached and i was wondering if it was still viable or up to date
@late laurel hello foenem
eager rock
oops
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/4e308cdb120721b5
GG people, I summon thee
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @paper moat, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
compact dirge
Idea is Lokix removes serp or ndms checks so one of them can set up and clean
sterile elk
The structure of the team itself isn't bad, but I still think there are a few things that could be changed to improve it :
On the Lokix slot I prefer Ogerpon-Wellspring for water immunity which can be really useful against dondozo, a Ivy/ Power whip/ Uturn / Encore set could be considered it gives you more flexibility in the plays (you can also play a more standard set with SD or Trailblaze but in the idea of the team the Uturn/Encore set is more relevant I think). You can keep Lokix as it seems to be the team's main idea, which isn't bad, but I think the team would be more effective with Wellspring.
The team itself is very weak in Ogerpon, so I think that using clefable tera dragon will provide an emergency solution to the problem.
I think the NDM set is bad: you can't do anything to Skarm and it can just set itself up against you without really being endangered by the team, so playing a Tera blast fire set on koff would be more interesting, I think. It would also make it easier to activate weakness against Mola, for example, without being afraid of the burn.
it would look like this : https://pokepast.es/31c30fef9d925b44
The team in both versions is good, but I think it would benefit from being more offensive with, for example, a lando-t scarf in defense and a Cobalion in HP, but you'd really have to change the team too much and it wouldn't look at all like the start so if you want to try another more offensive version let me know and if what I've given you is enough for you that's cool.
compact dirge
The structure of the team itself isn't bad, but I still think there are a few th...
Yeah this is good, ty 
Woops I left ping on
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/0110fb517b0d54b0
AAA
built around Regen Cune because I think it's a neat mon from last gen.
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @remote bison, @paper moat, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/0110fb517b0d54b0
AAA
built around Regen Cune because I thin...
so we're building stall
jokes aside this looks decently outdated but potentially usable. bulletproof is kinda useless rn since wake is gone and most desoland and primsea mons are checked by cune, mandi, and blissey, so you dont need a 4th answer. instead, id suggest volt absorb here so that you check ng zapdos better and are slightly safer into shocks (note it can still 2hko with ep but you have a potential way to stop the voltturn loop). alternatively, you change ghold into a better va mon so that shocks and zapdos wont have an incredible mu into you. also, whats your mixnite answer? i cant see one rn
oh actually if bulletproof is for sball deo-s then it should work but you still have to be aware of mglo knock off from 200/252+/56 deo-s
dapper salmon
Godly gift big stall https://pokepast.es/0c378e93edadbcb3
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @paper moat, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sterile elk
it's really not incredible tbh, already Ho-Oh is really not strong in god for stall in general Giratina will be much better and so the fact that you don't have it makes you 6-0 by the majority of W-Ogerpon sets. Pao in a stall doesn't make sense as you'll lose a slot that you need to counter offensive threats like SD Groudon which here also makes you 6-0. On Clodsire use tera dragon and Poison jab on Toxic to avoid being totally blocked by Raging bolt CM sub tera flying. Cyclizard is really bad and Garganacl doesn't make sense here as you'll generally prefer to have a Dondozo in stall on this slot, which can win you games and is very effective as you'll be playing a lot of hasard control and he can therefore play leftovers.
If you really want to build a stall, I'd advise you to do one with Giratina instead, or try building on less complicated team styles like BO.
dusk pasture
jokes aside this looks decently outdated but potentially usable. bulletproof is ...
mandi?
dusk pasture
oh desoland as well
if you care about mix nite run ice beam on suicine
that should be enough with mandibuzz
not sure what the speed investment is for but max physdef should be enough
hoary hemlock
Meloetta is cracked: https://pokepast.es/bb445853cda699cd
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @sleek merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
high trellis
Meloetta is cracked: https://pokepast.es/bb445853cda699cd
right out the bat
luxray is not good
period
dont run gyro ball on gambler
run sunsteel strike
isnt aeroblast in the game? run that over hurricane on yanmega
hoary hemlock
Alright
Yea this was my first stabmons team, so I didnt really know what and wasnt good lmao
What should I replace luxray with?
high trellis
luxray is like never good
id drop shadow ball on yanmega for like roost
or sub or some sort of utility
hoary hemlock
Aight
high trellis
What should I replace luxray with?
well since youre running screens
might as well pick the most cracked breakers
i personally like rockerpon
hoary hemlock
pretty sure that melo set isnt it
I mostly chose meloetta because she's my favorite pokemon. And I thought meloetta would be good with stabmons
worthy gull
It prefers boomburst sets, different popbomb mons outclass it already
hoary hemlock
Hmm, should I replace tidy up with calm mind?
high trellis
https://www.smogon.com/dex/sv/pokemon/meloetta/stabmons/ take the take heart set
from here
hoary hemlock
Also, sorry I'm bad at teambuilding, Im super new to competitive
I just like meloetta and thought trying a new format would be cool 
high trellis
dw, you have to learn somewhere
you are right in picking screens bc its easy to build lol
high trellis
but most of the tiers with permanent ladders have sample sets for all the good pokemon
so you can open the recommended set in smogon to see whats good if you dont know the meta
high trellis
What with?
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/stabmons-resources.3714664/#post-9475696 pick the prettiest pokemon you think can setup from the top tiers i think
worthy gull
But yea, you said that I should replace jirachi
Cld cloy work?
high trellis
you lack natural speed, so id pick someone fast
hoary hemlock
Maybe iron moth?
high trellis
future gallade
high trellis
hoary hemlock
Yea I was doing the SD set from there
worthy gull
https://pokepast.es/d6d7e949e3f8bc27 hmm thoughts on this team? gone through a lotta variations but this feels like the most stable so far
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @sleek merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
hollow compass
https://pokepast.es/39dbe70201d44229 Dogi is my favorite legend and I’m trying out a barb barrage set cause I think it’ll pair well with toxic chain
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] STABmons RMT @sleek merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sleek merlin
https://pokepast.es/d6d7e949e3f8bc27 hmm thoughts on this team? gone through a l...
The Zamazenta is a bad set, IMO, setup Zamazenta is just not great all around due to 4mss (4 moveslot syndrome) also if you are adament on using setup, run protective pads or have access to moves that don't make contact so as to avoid stuff like Beak Blast and Burning Bulwark. Change Iron Head to either Psychic Fang or Ice Fang for Toxapex and Landorus-therian respectively. Running Drain Punch all but mandates having Protective Pads, if not run Combat Torque, it is non-contact.
Rest of the team is fine regarding moves.
worthy gull
cb over if I were to not go setup?
sleek merlin
https://pokepast.es/39dbe70201d44229 Dogi is my favorite legend and I’m trying o...
I prefer LO
AOA LO
all out attack
so you can hit everything you feasibly want to
Combat Torque / Crunch / Psychic Fang / Ice Fang
sleek merlin
https://pokepast.es/39dbe70201d44229 Dogi is my favorite legend and I’m trying o...
Use Noxious Torque over Barb Barrage, immediate power and non-contact, fairly high poison chance, especially needed for a banded set.
Zapdos shouldn't ever run Wildbolt storm (bad move) especially on a defensive set, run Electro Drift or even just Discharge for Para chance, you can even run Beak Blast or Nuzzle on a defensive set.
hollow compass
Use Noxious Torque over Barb Barrage, immediate power and non-contact, fairly hi...
Everything else is fine?
sleek merlin
It's fine, refine it now is my opinion.
orchid grove
stabmons team: https://pokepast.es/206623275786c1c5
It's a decent start for rain but lacks direction.
What exactly were you trying to go for?
If you want to build Take Heart Melo it's a very different structure than this.
rain wind
If you want to build Take Heart Melo it's a very different structure than this.
i use melo as late game cleaner
the strategy is setting the rain for kingdra
and then pivot
rain wind
i changed kingdra for barraskewda and made odd minor changes but i like them. https://pokepast.es/33d014a0d6b61f6f
still tangle
https://pokepast.es/3b40bb4cd1ba8c8d
Bh team i made a while ago has seen a lot a lot of success on ladder and am finally deciding to get rated cuz funny
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
surreal portal
main issue i can see is etern, as pogre lacks a good way to hit it and ash-gren can't ohko back / just dies to boosted psn move, which it should realistically always be having
also don't really see the point in magical torque + fc korai improof, as non-crit is only a 3hko and there's no way of denying its sap + no cloak means you're banking on no confusion for any chances of living
(remember torque is also non-contact)
still tangle
ik the team was struggling slightly into certain mg korai hazard stack structures so i slapped magical on as it ohkoes mg korai
still tangle
main issue i can see is etern, as pogre lacks a good way to hit it and ash-gren ...
yeah etern has been a bit of an issue along with m-scep but i just kinda pivot around em and pp stall for a bit, shaky and terrible way of dealing with em but its how its been going so far
how would i go about fixing the issue?
surreal portal
the most bandaid fix for the etern issue would probably be dragon tail on pogre, for the gren improof you'd probably want to either remove torque or change korai to something like zamazenta
surreal portal
i'd probably be most inclined to drop scald yeah
its not great but with scales aud it's kind of unavoidable
still tangle
yeah fair
still tangle
i'd probably be most inclined to drop scald yeah
is there anything else you would change/suggest for the team?
surreal portal
not particularly no
shrewd spoke
#1060037469472555028
lavish oxide
<#1060037469472555028>
Thanks
compact dirge
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @paper moat, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sterile elk
the hp slot is a bit wasted because COgerpon won't have the profile to really benefit from it (even though it's one of Eternatus' most important stats).
On Eternatus it's either Toxic or Tspikes and you replace the other with sludge bomb (you play full speed Eter too, which will help you against Wogerpon)
Slowking is bad and gets destroyed by the vast majority of the offensive mon in the tier so I advise you to change it
I don't really like greninja because it doesn't do anything against mon like Mola and just has fewer positive points than Helectrode/Serp in particular
the set is good tho the mon is just not very good
Treads isn't very good in the meta because it won't allow you to respond to a good proportion of offensive threats correctly but it's still playable just that options like Tusk or Ting-lu are often more effective
On Hands I'd advise you to play Tpunch on Sslam and DPunch on CC because you won't need its damage that often and Hands bulk is one of the big reasons why it's good so it's not super optimal to reduce it so much with these moves
tidal kernel
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
tidal kernel
tried making sun in bh with no knowledge of the tier at all
gren has magic guard because i couldn't think of anything else to give it
still tangle
https://pokepast.es/7e581bcd477c32fc
I’m not a rater BUT
Chloro banded blaz is really strong on sun
And you’re leaning too much into bulky
You want to lean more offensively
The ogre doesn’t really have a place on sun
lone helm
Would rate but im really tired atm so just some general
The gren is not improofed im p sure since enterainment doesnt do much
Enterainment on the giratina is pretty mid
Mg ghostceus is really uncommon tbh, fc might better or even run mglo fireceus
Pogre is kinda bad on sun Maybe replace for a fc mon cause u dont have any or a wbb pokemon
still tangle
Sun or weather in general is really 2 abusers/breakers + setter + offensive or at least not too passive prankster + improof for all mons or close to all mons in one slot + another mon that also is offensive and pairs well with the two abusers/breakers
If you’re gunna run blaz on sun run banded chloro
lone helm
O damn
still tangle
Outpacing things like arc fairy
And two shitting
Is really nice
Or ohkoing after slight chip
Personally I like glacial bolt strike v-create + 1 which I personally prefer cc but to each their own
Your setter is
Interesting
Not bad but I don’t personally vibe with it
Ho-oh on sun is better as some sort of abuser
Whether that be prank copycat v-create with dbond encore
Or some sort of chloro breaker or wtv (don’t do that)
still tangle
The gren could work but not with mg and it becomes a bit tricky to improof with a solo mon as weather typically likes to compile all or most of their mons improofs into one mon
still tangle
Tbh maybe like drought arc-fire
Yeah drought burn up arc fire is good
With like tport entrain strength sap burn up
lone helm
Also have blue flare for fc which is nice if u want
still tangle
Burn up is special
lone helm
Yeah
still tangle
And you just tp on scales or resists or wtv into mblaz or other breaker
Wbb steels like Aegi lix solgaleo Melmetal magearna celesteela are typically what you’ll use as the improof for the team
Lix not so much cuz neutral to ice and grass (common moves on sun) but it can work ig
Steela is good but still neutral to ice and weak to elec so best to go with Aegi melm mag solg
The team really needs like
A complete overhaul
In order to be usable
At least imo
The arc doesn’t fit, the gren isn’t improofed, pogre doesn’t fit, blaz set needs to change, setter needs to change, prank mon also prob needs to change but that’s up to you ig
Gira is just too passive to be viable as prank on sun
lone helm
Ye
still tangle
I would pass a sun team or two but I’m in ssnl (for now at least) and idk if I’ll use em or not
But if you want help building one I’m happy to work with you in DMs to find a sun team that works with what you wanna get done
@tidal kernel
lone helm
Anyways yea id recommend like using drought arc-fire mega blaziken (moveslot depends on ur choice but like v-create chloro cc turn works) wbb Aegislash (can be changed for any other good wbb mon depending on movesets Ash-gren (if u really want but u can change it out cause its super hard to improof, maybe run like growth hydro v-create sap so u can improof better) scales water resistant/regenvester (this could be ur choice but this in combination with ur wbb mon should work) and ur last mon can be whatever u want tbh, maybe a prankster mon with topsy so u dont get swept by no retreat, maybe another abuser of sun (ho-oh v-create copycat could work) or even imp
Anyways yea.
still tangle
Tbh you don’t even need scales mon
I’ve had success with 2 chloro + abuser + proof + mglo dragon + prank
lone helm
Hm maybe ye
still tangle
Actually the solid sun teams I’ve seen both mine and someone else’s have followed that structure
Not always mglo dragon but
Some sort of offensive fast mon
lone helm
I generally do not use sun cause i think rain is p much better but yea its cool
still tangle
There’s actually quite a few ways you can structure sun
Fire spam I’ve had some fun and success with by having two chloro fires
still tangle
I generally do not use sun cause i think rain is p much better but yea its cool
Yeah rain is much better
They have it so easy 😔
I’ve tried sun a few times only just figured out a structure of how to make it solid consistently tho
But ofc you can get creative
tidal kernel
Ty I'll make some edits and post when I'm done
tidal kernel
@still tangle any suggestions for an ability for gren
still tangle
<@815069289844310028> any suggestions for an ability for gren
Are you sticking with the growth hydro steam set?
still tangle
Meh
Make sap glacial prob
Your imp will prob be some sort of water type anyway
Wanna be able to smack etern
tidal kernel
alright
still tangle
Recovery won’t do anything on it just come in force switch click growth do some stuff
Prob chloro tho
Mg don’t do you much good
And the +2 speed makes you REALLY hard to stop
Also means you can click v twice without being Uber slow after
Which is nice
Idt the gren is gunna work tbh
This thing is
Way too hard
To improof
And not have it be clunky
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/7e581bcd477c32fc
ok so the main issue i see is that you have basically nonexistent improofing
esp on your sun attackers
and you aren't tinted chicken meaning you cant pretend to improof by ohking imposter
other issues are uh
you auto lose to take heart ghostceus and fairyceus
tina set is very very outdated
and uh
pogre doesn't work that well here
cuz you cant spin (the one thing it does best) if you arent threatening them w water stab
dry owl
https://pokepast.es/dd6ab7c53d596a4c
opinions?
knotty haven
https://pokepast.es/dd6ab7c53d596a4c
opinions?
-you need defog or rapid spin user- -you need ground immune or resistance-
And what’s with the hyper beam raikou
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/5b7f1f99ca55e8b5
Godly Gift with a side of regret (Speed Slot Rhyperior.)
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @paper moat, @sterile elk. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sterile elk
On Skarm play Iron Defense on Whirlwind and consider a Tera fighting (better than fairy imo)
Etern is okay i think bulky etern is a lot better that offensive but it's still playable
Using bulky etern could allow you to use more easily Unaw clodsire because you can just send Etern to every water mon in the tier (unaw clod is a lot more valuable that Wabsorb imo)
Static on Helectrode is a little bit better imo but it's negligible
Mandi should be played full def even if it's in slot spdef
Rhyperior is really not very good so i would advise you to replace it with another one that makes better use of the slot
like IHands, Rbolt for example
orchid grove
Rhyperior is really not very good so i would advise you to replace it with anoth...
Rhyperior was basically just a shitpost slot.
I know it's bad but I wanted to give it a try anyway.
worthy gull
https://pokepast.es/26830fa217490597 Any improvements? Built around Gambit+nite and it's worked decently well so far.
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @remote bison, @paper moat, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
shrewd spoke
damn the amount of raters are rivalling svou amounts
worthy gull
Might be more 💀
late laurel
https://pokepast.es/ea40f75ff06c299e ive used this camomons team for quite a long time now, and won many battles with it. after numerous changes and improvements and nerfs, ive decided to come here for any help for improvement
is there anything i can do to fix my team more?
acoustic cradle
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/5e583ec8ca8673e2
Walking in with zero experience, anybody? The one mon i do wanna keep is offensive miraidon, just for that semblance to Ubers idk…
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
severe thorn
@shrewd spoke you too, if they are not available
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/5e583ec8ca8673e2
Walking in with zero experience, anybody? T...
chansey is natcure
and pogre is psea
assuming theyre imposter and regen respectively i think the main issue is that hazard control is very dire
mono-mortal audino cannot remove hazards reliably
dusk pasture
is spooky plate imp really necessary here with topsy scales audino
shrewd spoke
^ that too
also psea steela as your team doesn't look particularly weak to fire move guys, mostly etern
(you can knock w pogre into chase it out w mirai)
oh the ogre improof looks dire asw
severe thorn
chansey is natcure
ooops i forgot
so… tidy up arceus maybe?
sooooooooo what could be changed…?
shrewd spoke
think you gotta either exhaust psea on steela for improofing or just change it
evio on chansey
shrewd spoke
i think you want helmet fc steela here cuz nothing checks agren otherwise
or another fc in the place of steela
that can remove more reliably than saltmortal
severe thorn
hmmm, if mortal spin is already there and a different removal is needed… uh what can i use?
but at the same time i dont want to make mortal spin a free click on the entire team
shrewd spoke
double mortal is fine
rapid steela is bad it doesnt do anything to best rapid blocker (mg ghost)
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/a754e3bb636cf5c8
(The team with current changes just to keep track and stuff)
so mortal over knock on steela?
oak topaz
This is the least offensive offense I’ve seen
You will get bricked if you are running Mirai ghostceus as your offensive pressure only
severe thorn
lol
oak topaz
With this much bulk you either need some serious wall breakers or alternate wincons like stack
severe thorn
i kinda just threw on a buncha random stuff
shrewd spoke
You will get bricked if you are running Mirai ghostceus as your offensive pressu...
i think you'd need to fix the other glaring problems first before thinking of actually winning
mindset: you can't win if you lose
shrewd spoke
maybe it's just different building mindsets
severe thorn
I wouldnt say my issues are really minor
shrewd spoke
personally i try to figure out how to not lose before i try to figure out how to win
severe thorn
but yeah my whole idea was offense
oak topaz
personally i try to figure out how to not lose before i try to figure out how to...
I don’t think this is a good building direction for learning players
severe thorn
and I kinda got carried away with all the fur coat users and uh ice scale users
and regen users
oak topaz
Learning to build teams that win is actually going to make people learn how to win
severe thorn
and the mandatory imposter Chansey
oak topaz
but yeah my whole idea was offense
Offense is not easy to build
shrewd spoke
Learning to build teams that win is actually going to make people learn how to w...
i meant
oak topaz
It’s easy to stack on offensive threats and call it a day but obv that doesn’t work
shrewd spoke
when building one team i figure out how to not lose first (like "does this get 6-0d by mon" or something)
then i work from there
such as how to support main breakers
what's the wincon
oak topaz
Seems inefficient if you have to go back and rebuild the main concept
oak topaz
Building teams to not lose is fine but this guy also has some idea of how do add defensive stuff
Unlike a lot of other people
severe thorn
(go off of that second paste yhe first i forgot some stuff)
oak topaz
My take is if you want to make minor changes to that paste the team will be workable but you will encounter issues where A the team is slow to make progress and B the team will get bricked in matchups because wincons get hard walled
severe thorn
The only thing i do wanna keep is miraidon, so bigger changes would totally be fine with me
shrewd spoke
mirai ghostceus is workable but yeah as chess mentioned you need big support
spam hazards
oak topaz
Tbh it’s 3 am and I haven’t seen Mirai in months so this is going to be iffy but
severe thorn
ok lemme check whats clicks spikes over and over again in yhis tier
oak topaz
Since you wanted a more offensive team
shrewd spoke
ok lemme check whats clicks spikes over and over again in yhis tier
funnily enough? ghostceus is one of the more consistent setters
oak topaz
I would assume a structure you prefer is Mirai is secondary breaker
oak topaz
Faster paced
severe thorn
oh
oak topaz
I think generally you want to play a long game with it by using cage to wear down counters like scales mons
If you wanted a faster paced structure you can try gambit ig
But still gets bricked by bliss
So probably drop sap then
severe thorn
tbf if mirai cant fit im fine with dropping it
oak topaz
Workable but a bit difficult to justify over scept atp
severe thorn
If you wanted a faster paced structure you can try gambit ig
gambit? Wait kingambit is real?
shrewd spoke
If you wanted a faster paced structure you can try gambit ig
is mirai really a good gambit user
oak topaz
No
shrewd spoke
100hp
oak topaz
You pair with Etern
shrewd spoke
ah
severe thorn
Oh its final gambiy
not that gambit
but to be fair if mirai doesnt fit on faster offense teams im fine with dropping it
oak topaz
tbf if mirai cant fit im fine with dropping it
It’s not a bad mon but it’s currently in a phase where no one has explored it enough
oak topaz
Other thing is if you actually want a proper offense I’m useless
And I’m going to pass that to someone else lol
severe thorn
and not a single offense in the samples
shrewd spoke
unless if you really really want a team with rotom-mow
severe thorn
nothing for me to base off of
severe thorn
unless if you really really want a team with rotom-mow
~~since when was that thing usable ~~
oak topaz
nothing for me to base off of
You can check the recent team dumps
shrewd spoke
~~since when was that thing usable ~~
it was for the orphanage ok
well i also have this but its not a good baseline
https://pokepast.es/c6ad47c614ccc2d6
oak topaz
Cityscapes has some screens structures but it can be challenging and difficult to replicate
Akira also has like one or two I know of
severe thorn
and mega stones and z crystals are technically still in the game ig, same for spectral thief and stuff?
wait if all the moves are in the game (I know that because i saw oblivion wing when i was building a real AG team on cart) then why isnt spectral thief there
wait where is the team dump place?
im like lost lmao
dusk pasture
no
mega stones, z-crystals and dexited moves are not in the game
just the mons
a few moves aren't learned by any mon but are still usable in the code but they are the exception and stuff like spectral, oblivion wing and core enforcer cannot be used
sacred oriole
If we’re getting super pedantic, dexited moves are in the game code but have a flag that says “unusable”
And they may not work right anymore (if you hack in Pursuit without the flag, it no longer hits foes switching out)
V-create is one of the weird ones where nothing learns it but it doesn’t have the flag, so it can be used in STAB / BH
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/0986bc464a1619a9
First real serious BH team and its about a set I really like a structure I really like. (That being MGKnock Dia-O, and Superman, as the team name would lead you to believe.)
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
orchid grove
Don't like Koraidon being my only gap for AshGren but it doesn't look like there's a whole lot flexability for this kind of team in that regard anyway.
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/0986bc464a1619a9
First real serious BH team and its about a...
where is your imposter mon
ive never seen a team without one imo
full warren
u dont need imposter
it's really good, but needed?
I've got several teams without one
As for the team, it's a decent enough into ladder but it'll run into problems when you start playing people with real hazard control (like knock rapid spin ting lu, or their own superman, or rapid + mortal regenevests)
where your only real win condition is to get hazards up and they can just deny that
especially bad into enemy imposter since if hazards aren't up it beats arc fire and korai and those are ur only real progress makers
One solution would be to try some role compression; make the registeel spikes, say, so you can fit a real breaker in over arc fire
another option might be to make the dialga a trapper set
I think in general this has a good idea going - it's hard to go wrong with a superman decent defensive core, but the combination of no real way to "win quicker" in a bad matchup, no really reliable progress makers outside of hazards, and no imposter bandaid means you'll struggle somewhat
shrewd spoke
qt in smogcord jumpscare
shrewd spoke
As for the team, it's a decent enough into ladder but it'll run into problems wh...
rapid + mortal regenvests are unreal
you have ONE slot for actual utility or to not be passive
lone helm
is this the time to say i run mortal + rapid vester ting.. agree with rc, having both forms of spin on a single pokemon is like heavy cope
shrewd spoke
if you run into double removal you farm them with any mg mon and win
shrewd spoke
maybe dtail over gigaton on korai
gigaton gives fairyceus a less free entry
think one of the other problems here is that the paras are kind of unimproofed
lone helm
gigaton gives fairyceus a less free entry
yes but what is fairyceus really doing if it even enters tbh, u have a blissey to neutralize it and it still has to be scared of u predicting and going dialgo-o:?
shrewd spoke
on regi esp
shrewd spoke
yes but what is fairyceus really doing if it even enters tbh, u have a blissey t...
doubles into phys breaker
cuz ur forced out
lone helm
ig so
Ting-Lu used Nuzzle!
[The opposing Zeraora's Volt Absorb]
It doesn't affect the opposing Zeraora...
anyways..
full warren
rapid + mortal regenvests are unreal
tttech runs it so you gotta prep for it unfort
shrewd spoke
tttech runs it so you gotta prep for it unfort
bold to assume im playing cg
im actually playing oras ph
full warren
well I was discussing an cg team
full warren
obv if you're playing oras PH you need to prep for serious threats like nobody taking u seriously
orchid grove
One solution would be to try some role compression; make the registeel spikes, s...
The bigger reason it's ArcFire is because I think this is the one team ever that experiences the three shoe beating at the hands of Valiant without it.
shrewd spoke
psea regi checks well enough, most i've seen are actually v-create over cc cuz it hits celesteela harder
worst case scenario you can also do bulwark blissey
lone helm
im actually playing oras ph
Get ready to cook.
orchid grove
Ho-Oh @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Volt Tackle
- Victory Dance
- Strength Sap
No ArcForm kinda sucks but this is all I can think of to go over ArcFire.
shrewd spoke
if you use this you can arc > lunala or regi
orchid grove
if you use this you can arc > lunala or regi
Nevermind this shit insta-lost to a Normalize Flutter Mane on preview Revelation Dance MGLO Etern it is.
surreal portal
revdance etern isn't really good, you could theoretically get away with like corrosive gas dialga
which doesn't get normed and just kills all of flutter's damage on the spot
orchid grove
Norm uses Taunt though.
surreal portal
i mean if you're that worried then the only solution is revdance dialga (flutter can just kill etern if it's plot + taunt, which is taunt's only seen pairing) or removing koraidon or registeel for something faster
orchid grove
i mean if you're that worried then the only solution is revdance dialga (flutter...
Actually I was gonna say RevDance Mage > Regi.
Also I kinda doubt that's paranoia when Taunt is on like
basically every Norm Flutter.
still tangle
yeah taunt norm flutt is also used on tcage sets tbf
hollow compass
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/9efb1d8660a74f08
a lot of these sets seem geared for an older meta for mnm but this leaves you really weak to the current meta trends
the biggest one is that raikou is just not very good, and blue orb doesnt fix it
i also dont know if i like the idea of ursh + swing bc youre extra weak to ursh and dnite without doing much in return
youre also obviously super pixispeed-weak without any great answers
hm
this is a lot harder to change, i really dont know abt slither wing's functionality here
bug/fighting is just really bad into the current meta and there are better bug and fighting types
i cant lie the only success ive had with swing is in mono mnm as a physdef sable mon bc of cc uturn msun wisp/eq
hollow compass
a lot of these sets seem geared for an older meta for mnm but this leaves you re...
I’m new to mnm so I don’t really understand the meta 😭😭😭
slim monolith
ah fair enough
tired crater
https://pokepast.es/bf5776b870a0e177
What do u guys think of the team? This is my first serious suspect test that I'm gonna try and get reqs on, so I tried building smth decent
sacred oriole
Well-Baked Body Corv needs Brave Bird, otherwise your team has no answer for Ceruledge
Zama needs Crunch for Pecha and Ghold, likely over Ice Fang
Deo probably wants an amp item, either specs or LO depending on if you want to go mixed
I’d slot U-turn on both Moth and Corv, likely over Energy Ball and Iron Defense respectively
Other than that, i think the overall structure is fine
tired crater
Sick. Thanks!
dusk pasture
https://pokepast.es/bf5776b870a0e177
What do u guys think of the team? This is ...
if you're paranoid of ceruledge ditch the item entirely
it will still break through by clicking polter ten time
also dont think you need both psycho boost and eforce
just stick with one (probably eforce is psysurge or psycho boost if hadron engine) and slot a more useful move like low kick, knock off or np
tired crater
also dont think you need both psycho boost and eforce
Ye I replaced it with knock
tired crater
it will still break through by clicking polter ten time
Honestly didn't even consider ceru. I might remove rocky helm to help corv wall it then, I'll have to see in testing if I have problems vs it
tired crater
https://pokepast.es/f6835571ffa1e76d
https://pokepast.es/ce0d5d2ee56c3a6e
Which u guys think better, and is it decent/good?
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
tired crater
I'm messing around with pp stall eternatus and it worked pretty well in games, tho I was only in 1300-1400 ladder so kinda low/mid
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/f6835571ffa1e76d
https://pokepast.es/ce0d5d2ee56c3a6e
Whic...
1st team: the majority of your mons are farmed by imposter (notably agren which is really bad also why is it boots it does no damage that way) and imposter is usually dissuaded from switching into etern so you can't even bait it. also idk what lum + 2 status moves is for on aegi
tired crater
1st team: the majority of your mons are farmed by imposter (notably agren which ...
For aegi I have glare and lum to try and glare a Chansey, while remaining unparalyzed myself
And mortal spin is just for hazard removal
shrewd spoke
For aegi I have glare and lum to try and glare a Chansey, while remaining unpara...
they just click glare again
tired crater
fair
shrewd spoke
and mortal spin isn't good here because you aren't actually threatening any steels
unlike say mortal + salt cure mega audino
shrewd spoke
i think you need to switch it entirely so you don't immediately lose to imposter copying ash-greninja
tired crater
Gotcha
Rn my only ashgren imposter counter is basically triage amph and glaring Chansey beforehand
shrewd spoke
to something like neutral fur coat arc such as fairy
shrewd spoke
Rn my only ashgren imposter counter is basically triage amph and glaring Chansey...
para-ing chansey is usually good cplay but it doesn't work here because you have a heal bell user and a mon with its recovery 100% farmed
tired crater
Oh true
shrewd spoke
imposter just infinitely farms them for cleanses and stuff
tired crater
Yeah that's kinda rough cause I can't trap with Etern either
Anyway tho how ab team 2
shrewd spoke
oh also i haven't touched on the sets on both teams i'm just mentioning the basic stuff for now
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/f6835571ffa1e76d
https://pokepast.es/ce0d5d2ee56c3a6e
Whic...
second team is def better but idk what the point of aegi is + etern and groundceus have much better sets available
id make groundceus eplate cm judg tspikes shore, etern unaware/regen 2a, and then make aegi a mon that better handles mluc + mspin stuff while pressuring etern (like wbb/ff/scarfregen solg)
tired crater
I c
Ngl I only put groundceus there because wahh 2 electric and 1 poison weak caveman brain put ground type
Prob not the best thinking process
Ty for the rates btw
I'll try out the team again with the changes
uncut lotus
https://pokepast.es/68698bdf137cf97b MnM team i cooked up after getting swept by lugia
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
slim monolith
https://pokepast.es/68698bdf137cf97b MnM team i cooked up after getting swept by...
cool team but no hazards and a couple sets can use optimising so did so https://pokepast.es/caaf3dcf286246bd
gave gardetail enough speed to outspeed arceus, changed eleki to the much superior altarianite + gave it the stats to outspeed +1 ada aerinite and live alt eleki espeed after rocks, and replaced dnite + mage with spdef gravity rocks groundceus + sable ww mandi
basically these changes allow your offensive core to break better while preventing you from generally autolosing to ghosts
(and make you much better into etern + hooh)
fwiw tail should be your anti-cm mon, it is VERY good at winning most cm wars
except vs opposing lugia, which you should probably boom against or try to force chip on
eleki's boom guaranteed ohkoes max def sable lugia when below 69% fwiw
shrewd spoke
this goes in #1208795569649356820
heavy bobcat
Sorry
late laurel
https://pokepast.es/b59c865e01d9a422
How sigma is my gyatt, Skibidi rizzlers?
Shouldn't have said that
shrewd spoke
Why.
late laurel
Is this team,, any good
umbral lavaBOT
PokePaste is the easiest way to share competitive teams with other people online. Simply upload your team to the site and you can share your team by sharing the link in your browser!
To upload a team to PokePaste directly from Pokemon Showdown, scroll to the bottom of the team and press the button that says Upload to PokePaste.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180735291453/pokepaste1.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=5d0b952a78e50b944a63f5e16a9006dffbf6f8fe900cede444f1c65b965a064a&
You can then take the link of the PokePaste and share that link to share the team with other people.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/459043501984972801/1158775180492013660/pokepaste2.png?ex=651d78fc&is=651c277c&hm=2d3caf4b912c30f438c896f0b696d9c80bd50d9e5a4a8ed067bca9e5dbf6ff3c&
shrewd spoke
and next uh no the team sucks
late laurel
Dang
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/f337ef5d4d4564b6
for comparison this is what you're usually up against
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Balanced Hackmons RMT @surreal portal, @oak topaz. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
surreal portal
i mean why did you expect it not to ping
shrewd spoke
fair lol
lone helm
https://pokepast.es/f337ef5d4d4564b6
for comparison this is what you're usually ...
team is very bad 🤓 jokes
still tangle
https://pokepast.es/f337ef5d4d4564b6
for comparison this is what you're usually ...
bad team, touch grass, no further comments
still tangle
Yes but it was also a joke
cobalt coral
anyone have a bulky offense ?
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/1d3099113a532a5f
Never played the tier before, wanted to build around some hadron engine electric type not named sandy shocks, anybody?
And yes, I realized I don’t have hazards so please help me slot some in.
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @remote bison, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
gloomy elm
don't use hadron engine zapdos, flying types dont get the terrain buff
primordial sea is far far better, gives you a good mix of defensive and offensive utility
wbb corvid should also go here, leaves you way too vulnerable to most physical attackers (notably food for boulder, especially)
should be either intim or fluffy, primsea zap is a far better check to fire types and fire move dnite
don't love the tusk set here, doesn't feel like it's doing anything notable when you already have a zama for strong fighting type damage
severe thorn
don't use hadron engine zapdos, flying types dont get the terrain buff
Forgor
gloomy elm
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Earthquake
- Knock Off / Ice Spinner
- Stealth Rock```this would be a better fit here, takes a ton of pressure off of corv while also giving you a good hazard setter
corv is super prone to getting worn down right now, having a secondary hazard remover that also sponges physical hits is appreciated
gloomy elm
you could also consider max HP speed invested tusk here to outspeed and threaten stuff like heatran and ghold
severe thorn
Hm
gloomy elm
easier to break through, but still plenty bulky
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/d1eebac8460ec7d5
This is the changed version, of dnite gets banned I’ll have to come again lol
gloomy elm
Jolly Nature``` my preferred rocks tusk spreadfluffy seems a bit suspicious here
i'd prefer intim for pao
you have two flyings for zama anyway
shrewd spoke
bad team, touch grass, no further comments
ok mglo 4a pogre
still tangle
ok mglo 4a pogre
Who lost to it thrice? 🤔
shrewd spoke
i lost when you were using it
still tangle
Cuz I’m just that cool clearly
still tangle
Clearly they’re just bad Smfh
tranquil pendant
https://pokepast.es/f22b26bda788bc75
Godly gift
halcyon solar
https://pokepast.es/f22b26bda788bc75
Godly gift
isnt zacian banned from godly?
dusk pasture
isnt zacian banned from godly?
i dont believe so
it was quickbanned before but the ban was quickly reversed
halcyon solar
well ill be damned
tranquil pendant
it was quickbanned before but the ban was quickly reversed
yh
also any rates for it
sacred oriole
Zacian's Speed slot is the single best thing about using it as a god, and frankly you need to put something better in the Spe slot than Regirock
something like Urshifu, Iron Hands, Raging Bolt, etc
this team is also a really weird mix of "screens grimmsnarl with two unaware mons"
grimm is usually best on HO, which the rest of this team is not
real osprey
you should probably have it so it pings the other raters
tranquil pendant
you should probably have it so it pings the other raters
how
real osprey
https://pokepast.es/12e2490dacd21d9a I think it works if you include the format into the pokepaste
...
well shit
tranquil pendant
:/
still tangle
Me when the bot broke
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/39ab5d3f97f98177
I’m trying to build with necrozma dusk mane, it’s usable on the vr rankings so I wanna try it out!
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
severe thorn
Literally my first time playing this btw
severe thorn
I mainly play SV Ubers, so I wanted to make this feel like as if I am at home
orchid grove
Not a rater but I love how this looks like the start of a normal Ubers team up until HisuiArc and Corvi.
severe thorn
Yep, hence the name of the team
severe thorn
Now I am gonna wait for the raters
tranquil pendant
best god for GG?
severe thorn
best god for GG?
That’s a subjective question, and this is not the place for it
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/39ab5d3f97f98177
I’m trying to build with necrozma dusk man...
Bump
real osprey
no need to stress it, I've just been busy today
tidal ice
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 7] Pure Hackmons RMT @reef merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
tidal ice
https://pokepast.es/3c2a06dc30f80542
Ash-Greninja ig
severe thorn
This team isn’t serious my man
You can’t spam 6 of the same mons and be viable
The best somebody has done was xerneas spam in gen 6 PH and even that was 4 of them
real osprey
https://pokepast.es/39ab5d3f97f98177
I’m trying to build with necrozma dusk man...
Ok so one major issue I'm seeing with this team is that you're lacking a true special wall; threats like Offensive Eternatus, Walking Wake, Sandy Shocks and to an extent Lugia & CM Arceus formes are all super threatening, and while Ho-Oh does have decent special bulk it simply isn't enough in this case. You've also basically stacked 5 physical walls with few offensive options which is kind of overkill here, as you're unable to threaten a lot of offensive mons in return outside of Arcanine-H.
I noticed you also wanted to center this team around NDM, which by all means is a viable mon, but I think your moveset could use some tweaks. Notably, Knock Off is quite a bad move in Mix & Mega due to it not being empowered against any mon that utilizes a Mega Stone (you're also unable to knock said Mega Stone off). I would instead recommend either replacing it with Photon Geyser or Stone Edge. Photon Geyser is a overall strong STAB option that also lets you actually pressure Steel-resistant foes like Sandy Shocks, Arceus-Water and most notably Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, as it's currently able to tear your team to shreds (for reference "252 Atk Metagrossite Tough Claws Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Sablenite Corviknight on a critical hit: 138-165 (34.5 - 41.2%) -- approx. 3HKO" all while you're unable to threaten it back). Stone Edge mostly helps you break through Ho-Oh and opposing Corviknight, both are valid options.
My main recommendation before doing any changes to the team myself is to at first try to replace some physical walls with some special ones; I can take another look at the team once you've done that if you so wish. That is all currently ^_^
severe thorn
Ok so one major issue I'm seeing with this team is that you're lacking a true sp...
Thanks! I’ll send it over again when I’m done!
real osprey
sounds good
real osprey
ehh not really, many of the common special attackers have a good type MU into it if you look at some of the threats I listed
severe thorn
Oof
Btw is eq real on duskmane? Because edge or photon will just get me walled by steel types
And I think steel types are pretty common
real osprey
Any ideas?
admittedly there's not exactly a plethora of them, but some good ones are Slowking-Galar, Magearna, Garganacl, Lunala & Clodsire
severe thorn
Now I gotta find something to replace
real osprey
Btw is eq real on duskmane? Because edge or photon will just get me walled by st...
the two most common steel-types, Corviknight & Magearna, are unbothered by Earthquake (Magearna often runs Latiasite) but are still hit for neutral both if you run Stone Edge
Iron Treads is the only real mon you're hitting with Earthquake for super effective
severe thorn
Hm
severe thorn
admittedly there's not exactly a plethora of them, but some good ones are Slowki...
https://pokepast.es/3cb88a0875b4feb1
New thing I found: I’m getting owned by ddance groundceus with recover
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Mix and Mega RMT @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
severe thorn
I guess I just gotta switch eternatus on urshifu with a read and maybe chip it…?
I initially tried garg but then my team gets owned by offensive waters
real osprey
tbh I think it's ok here to go Iron Defense > U-turn on Corviknight, should help vs Groundceus aswell as the other scary SD guys aside from Shifu, you could alternatively try running Tspikes on Etern to dissuade the opponent from bringing in Urshifu as often
real osprey
you can replace either sludge or dmax cannon, it's mostly preference
I'd probably remove sludge, as you don't really have a way to threaten opposing etern trying to switch in & tank your tspikes
severe thorn
Let’s hope I can keep groundceus alive so my team can actually touch Ho-Oh
real osprey
yeah ho-oh can be a bit troublesome but if you keep grounceus alive it shouldn't be any large issues
severe thorn
The ladder keeps sending me slowbronite lugias https://pokepast.es/bfd8999c3d062340
real osprey
hmm, NDM should be able to set up on most variants but if you feel like it's really troublesome it's fine to go just Toxic > Tspikes, it also helps a little more against CM Arceus formes
in the worst cases (absolite Lugia running Earth Power) you're gonna have to rely on Lugia Ice Beam freezes, while not unideal it's an ok wincon
severe thorn
in the worst cases (absolite Lugia running Earth Power) you're gonna have to rel...
Ice beam freezes? My only ice beam user is Lunala and that thing doesn’t win the 1v1 without a crit
Multiple crits probably
And yeah they just cm up and 2hko with boosted ep
Cm arceus doesn’t win usually because aeroblast has 12.5 crit rate
real osprey
Like I said, it's absolutr worst case but a couple factors: 1) You have shadow shield, forcing them to break it before being able to kill you. 2) they have to spend 6+ turns setting up + recovering, which gives you plenty of chances to either aim for crits with Moongeist or Freezes with Ice Beam
Lunala wins 100% versus Slowbronite variants since they run no SpAtl investment, it's only Absolite, and even then not everyone runs EP so NDM/Corv can beat/pp stall it
real osprey
Yeah so in short you have a couple tools to help deal with most Lugia Variants
plain nymph
Hey I made a team for AAA gen 9 and ive been struggling with pokemon like Iron Boulder and Pecharunt and i was wondering if anyone could help
heres the team
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @remote bison, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
sacred oriole
Some good ideas here, but I think there are a few areas of improvement
Main one, dual screens should really only be run on hyper offense teams, where you can use the screens to set up and try to win
Especially if you’re struggling with Boulder, I’d keep Gholdengo, but make it a more defensive set and run Hex / Thunder Wave / Make it Rain / Recover
Second, I would replace Blissey with a RegenVest like Manaphy or Swampert. Blissey is super passive here, and really usually only found on very fat / stall teams
Mana and Pert have pivoting moves to help get you to your offensive guys
There are a few other techs I would consider like making Moth DesoLand or SFLO, and making Zama SoR, but the existing sets are still workable
plain nymph
Main one, dual screens should really only be run on hyper offense teams, where y...
I will say the team started hyper offensive but as we started getting walled out more it’s transitioned into what it is right now, but I would much rather play hyper offensive as that’s my favorite style
But okay I’ll try that thank you !
Oh also, this morning I was playing and I ran into a prankster venusaur who basically completely walled me out with some switching to Galar slowking so I was wondering if there was anything I could do to make sure that doesn’t happen again
I was thinking my own prankster mon with taunt or something like that
sacred oriole
Prankster Venu should not be walking this team; it can’t stand up to Moth or Bloodmoon and you have Corv to slow pivot them in if necessary
If you want to play HO, I would recommend Corviknight or Deoxys-S as the screens Mon
Corv for its great defensive typing and U-turn, Deo-S to outspeed other leads
plain nymph
Gotcha thank you !!
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/a02945d9a6f55e45
Gen 7 PH. Any raters for that tier wanna take this one? Very new to the meta and wanted to try to incorporate a strat I liked back in Gen 6 PH in ShellPass. (I REFUSE to call it SmashPass.)
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 7] Pure Hackmons RMT @reef merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
orchid grove
No idea if it's still usable bc of the Moldy Moves now, or if there's a better ShellPasser, but if not it's pretty easily droppable from what I can tell.
shrewd spoke
does bonemerang hit something in particular? feels like tarrows would be more valuable
orchid grove
does bonemerang hit something in particular? feels like tarrows would be more va...
Mostly stopping MG Sash MGar from RKing. Came from looking at samples for reference of what works here.
Or Sash Pdon that's also a thing iirc.
shrewd spoke
Mostly stopping MG Sash MGar from RKing. Came from looking at samples for refere...
i mean you have wg gyara surely you just dont care
orchid grove
i mean you have wg gyara surely you just dont care
Yeah until they click Shell Smash Boosted Secret Sword.
orchid grove
maybe you can bring it down to sash > imp it
I'm not very convinced of how reliable that is.
Besides I don't really need Tarrow's properties all that much besides for like the rare Cele.
obtuse kite
https://pokepast.es/949731ac5c1e41d0 im not very familiar with the AAA metagame, is this team any good? winning with it isnt always exactly a walk in the park so id assume there are many problems (probably the gimmicky maushold)
sacred oriole
Flinch-heavy strategies are never going to be super reliable
Chien-Pao for example is much more intimidating with Sword of Ruin (even if that’s not super sexy)
If you want to go with a webs team, this team should be a lot more offensive as well
Corv and Treads are very passive and don’t take advantage of webs well while giving the opponent chances to clear them
My advice depends on do you want this to be a balance team, or a webs team?
obtuse kite
My advice depends on do you want this to be a balance team, or a webs team?
Webs I guess… I more so wanted some parahax team since you can’t do that anymore in OU nowadays
Mashold is pretty awful honestly, and I did have a lot of trouble rotating around iron treads and corv
So I’m wondering what other options I could have
sacred oriole
If you want webs, you have a plethora of strong options like Thundy-T, Volcanion, Ceruledge, etc you can build around
The most important thing is not letting Corv have room to Defog, and ideally not let Tusk spin either
Oh Ogerpon too
Love that guy
reef merlin
https://pokepast.es/a02945d9a6f55e45
Gen 7 PH. Any raters for that tier wanna t...
i don't think shell smash + baton pass is that great since huge power mons are generally more effective breakers than mold breakers this gen
i'd use mold pdon over mold ray though, soulblaze being the only boosting move isn't ideal when maybe almost half of all viable teams run wg audino and i find it harder to improof
i'd also run prankster zyg over fur coat, synergizes better with haze and you're unable to come in on mmx's photon after you're slightly chipped
with min speed for u-turn, destiny bond over rocks (i find it pretty hard to drop when it's so easy to dbond on something troublesome), and rocks on something else like gyara
the revenging also seems a little weak on this team, since scarf imp is the only revenger and opposing attackers should be improofed in some capacity
so i'd prob run a sash magic guard over ray
and i feel like you kinda want recovery if gyara is improofing mmx
i'm also not sure if you need power trip on gyara, something like spectral or knock seems fine
but then you can't really fit in rocks
so ig on audi instead
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/48fbec6f8bb0e871
Awesome. Thanks.
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/0e5ba9a39d9b9efc
Another Gen 7 PH team. Wanted to build WonderShell Gigas after hearing about its use case + Try again at CFZ Moldy MRay.
Much more offesively oriented. Not necessarily intended to be HO but still mostly a purely aggressive team.
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 7] Pure Hackmons RMT @reef merlin. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
orchid grove
(I'm enjoying this tier a lot if you couldn't tell.)
reef merlin
smash regi just gets prankhazed on unfortunately
honestly i'd replace smash with evoboost and run leppa recycle
since at some point you break through zyg through pp stalling recovery
i'd also run let's snuggle forever over rocks + jolly on pdon since you want to hit mmx and outspeed base 150s
can be beat up too if you want to hit innards lunala/sash deo-a
rest looks solid
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/bf2bdaf84a0ea8fc
So like this?
Wrong paste at first, oops.
Might go Sky Plate > LO on MRay bc I'm not sure how much I'll need the boost on Soulblaze specifically since I want to Shell Smash on a forced switch first anyway.
reef merlin
yeah that with recovery over espeed
still tangle
The best somebody has done was xerneas spam in gen 6 PH and even that was 4 of t...
Didn’t g7ph have 5 pdon + a mscep?
Or am I mistaken?
sacred oriole
This team doesn’t feel very cohesive, more like six mons that got put together
Chiefly it lacks any kind of defensive core; I would think about adding some guys like Gliscor and Skarmory, or commit to HO and get some hazards leads like Hisuian Samaroutt or dual screens
The sets themselves, Rillaboom doesn’t really get much out of this format and I would replace. Eleki is outclassed by better Extreme Speed users like Hisuian Arcanine that have better coverage, and screen tail is good but needs Timid cause it has a great Speed tier
lilac steppe
https://pokepast.es/807b622f3707ed6b
Godly Gift mayhaps
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Godly Gift RMT @sterile elk, @slim monolith. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
slim monolith
offensive tail is a noobtrap ngl so wouldnt really recommend using it, especially with stored power; you also have pretty bad hazard control and get farmed by rbolt which is the best offensive mon in the tier rn
id make your spa mon something with better output
sterile elk
Offensive scream tail is decent
Use cm pnoise dgleam fthrower
You have no rbolt mu yeah
lilac steppe
id make your spa mon something with better output
Anything in particular you would reccomend?
meager drum
The sets themselves, Rillaboom doesn’t really get much out of this format and I ...
from what i have learned
eleki tears everything apart when i remove the ground types
i just need to be efficient in doing so
there are a lot of finnicky stuff when it comes to grounds
the problem childs are treads and lando
meager drum
wdym ghost type curse
halcyon solar
@tawdry geode got a stabmons team out of a silly idea (tspikes+court change+ facade) with some other stuff
https://pokepast.es/c7fa94650bc70dd5
halcyon solar
wait
just realised i messed up
https://pokepast.es/aba1a13cca7d4e16
this is the team
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/aba1a13cca7d4e16
this is the team
That gimmick is kinda inconsistent
The therefore it’s a gimmick
Also
Iron valiant is supposed to be a sweeper
Circle throw has negative priority
And magical torque is better than play rough, like seriously why use the inferior option
severe thorn
Both works
halcyon solar
aight bet
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/aba1a13cca7d4e16
this is the team
???? court with a mon thats not gonna click its moves 99% of the time
and then when you actually get it off the facade guy is flying??????????
halcyon solar
i... have no idea how i forgot about that
worldly sand
https://pokepast.es/856d5108ac958d89
Gen9 AAA. I've tested it out on ladder and done decently well. I have spikes on shocks mostly cause it was on the sample set and cause it allows my skarm to be idef + bp but in practice I never click spikes and I'm wondering if it would be better to have spikes skarm
and free up a move slot on tran
hmm why didn't that ping
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole , @dusk pasture , @timid meadow , @gloomy elm , @remote bison , @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
there we go
severe thorn
https://pokepast.es/856d5108ac958d89
Gen9 AAA. I've tested it out on ladder and ...
My guy where is your choice band sword of ruin zamazenta switchin
I don’t play this tier a lot but that’s what I see immediately
worldly sand
o ig i lost it when i switched it from fluffy skarm to well-baked-body
sacred oriole
I think this team wants Fluffy / Intimidate Corv over Skarm
Helps get your pivot core going, and honestly Skarm without Spikes is just a huge momentum sink
worldly sand
got it
sacred oriole
Also lets gives you more flexibility with the Tusk slot
worldly sand
i chose skarm over corv cause i didn't like how passive corv was. any suggestions for how to patch that up?
sacred oriole
More specifically, Meow tends to really pressure Corv, so you want a secondary guy that also pressures Corv so you can break through together
sacred oriole
i chose skarm over corv cause i didn't like how passive corv was. any suggestion...
Just have a couple of threatening guys to pivot to
worldly sand
ok
sacred oriole
You already have two with Meow and Shocks
I’d go more offensive with Tusk’s slot, lotta options like Boulder or Zama or Oger
Otherwise looks solid
worldly sand
I’d go more offensive with Tusk’s slot, lotta options like Boulder or Zama or Og...
kk
worldly sand
I’d go more offensive with Tusk’s slot, lotta options like Boulder or Zama or Og...
I chose tusk cause it was a good knock and rock switch in, what other options are good for those roles?
sacred oriole
Your Fluffy / Intimidate Corv
Zama also kinda fills that but doesn’t love eating Knock
worldly sand
ok
could slither wing work in tusk's slot? I'm thinking that priority would be good to have for speed boosting sweepers
sacred oriole
It can; fits your coltturn core too
I find it a little award to use cause it’s so dammed slow and if you click Choiced first impression that’s a huge opportunity cost, but if you’re willing to outplay your opponent it brings a lot to the table
I just like to not think
sacred oriole
But Banded First Impression / U-turn / Close Combat is something no one else can replicate
worldly sand
mhm
sacred oriole
Uh, Pao?
worldly sand
a true
sacred oriole
Priority in this tier is a little dire rn
sacred oriole
Slither works, try it out
worldly sand
should I keep heatran?
sacred oriole
I think it’s fine here
worldly sand
kk
sacred oriole
Rocks + goat typing
sacred oriole
If you have Rocks on Tran, spikes
sacred oriole
If Shocks is your only hazard setter I tend to do rocks
Spikes is nice so if you load into Lando or VA Corv you do something
worldly sand
true
sacred oriole
And aren’t just a wasted slot
sacred oriole
glhf
gloomy elm
i did not get pinged i apologize
sacred oriole
🎉
civic mortar
thnx for telling
eager rock
umbral lavaBOT
New [Gen 9] Almost Any Ability RMT @sacred oriole, @dusk pasture, @timid meadow, @gloomy elm, @remote bison, @real osprey. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
eager rock
this team kind of gets fried by mglo moltres and some things like hisuian electrode
but i don't know what to change or what direction to move in
dusk pasture
team doesn't feel very cohesive
i'd remove volcanion at least to shore up your defensive core
on the purely defensive spectrum volc is not a great vabs mon due to the coverage that common electrics can run
(ep, hurricane, chloroblast)
and the main electric you'll struggle versus can threaten it greatly with chloroblast
you can use other more dedicated volt absorbers to check hisui electrode if you wish but swapping rmoon to mglo can also shore up your weakness to it
dont really love fluffy corv hanging around with little support and the team will struggle with any of the pons/chien-pao in the long term
i'd prefer zappy > thundurus as its much better defensively
and with intimidate corv it probably works well enough to cover those threats
as an extra note i dont really love liq last on swampert, it doesn't really do much to hit stuff
even if you wanted water stab i'd even prefer surf to hit gtusk harder and annoy corv more effectively though sedge generally works to hit volc/moltres
karmic dawn
https://pokepast.es/f6b548ea3eb64291 AAA
- Considering Galvanize Maushold over Kommo-o
- Considering alternate harvest trickroom sweeper over Hatterene
high trellis
https://pokepast.es/f6b548ea3eb64291 AAA
- Considering Galvanize Maushold over K...
"- Considering Galvanize Maushold over Kommo-o"
Words never said by a sane teambuilder
No way harvest tr will work
Why are you running razor claw chlorophyll focus energy hydreigon
Why is your gardevoir not a sun setter
Seems like a obvious choice to make your prankster mon sun setter
You know what
Just run a sample
Im not even sure this channel is for trying to make jank work but even if this team feels beyond saving
shrewd spoke
Im not even sure this channel is for trying to make jank work but even if this t...
raters can try and help jank shit work but they aren't obliged to do so
high trellis
I see, thanks
karmic dawn
Im not even sure this channel is for trying to make jank work but even if this t...
😔 damn
karmic dawn
"- Considering Galvanize Maushold over Kommo-o"
Words never said by a sane team...
i mean i gotta beat skarmory and corviknight somehow
worldly sand
i mean i gotta beat skarmory and corviknight somehow
we have something for that, it's called special breakers and/or iron hands
high trellis
i mean i gotta beat skarmory and corviknight somehow
Assuming you mean ff skarm, right
karmic dawn
well baked body
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/fbfe86ad3031e94c
immediate issue i'm seeing here is imposter-proofing being insanely loss
it is possible but incredibly inconsistent with your current structure
i suggest picking just one of scept agren kyub or ghostceus to build around
shrewd spoke
sflo fighting move agren is a good dialga-o bait
^ also runs bolt strike for steela
tranquil pendant
sflo?
shrewd spoke
sheer force life orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Steam Eruption
- Fiery Wrath
- Combat Torque / Axe Kick
- Bolt Strike```wait nvm
tranquil pendant
```Greninja-Ash (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
Tera Type: Water
EVs: ...
ill try it thanks
silver pawn
convergence rain https://pokepast.es/17f9470f467971d4
high trellis
Not sold on the molt set
Where's your ground type
What speed does clawtizer hit on rain
Wouldn't you want a secondary water stab on it too if you get tok chipped over dpulse?
pliant coral
If anyone has Inverse, Full Potential, or Bonus Type teams feel free to ping me so I can take a look 🙂
I can also try to rate MnM or STAB 😅
silver pawn
Not sold on the molt set
molt is pretty solid i’ve seen as a late game cleaner or just as a check for fast guys
honestly haven’t really encountered any scary electric types so i haven’t felt like i needed it
clawt reaches 476
yh your right here