your best bet might be some mold bander
#OM Rates
oak topaz
oak topaz
kartana never breaks miraidon
maybe mmx tbh
gigaton does enormous damage to fairyceus and while you are outsped by miraidon you deal enormous damage
wise iron
an option on kartana is headlong rush
and kartana resists both of miraidon's stabs
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Kartana Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Miraidon: 438-516 (108.4 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
the calc doesn't lie
dusky abyss
and kartana resists both of miraidon's stabs
this is a lie because it has approximately 4 special defense
high trellis
isnt it slower too
dusky abyss
yes
high trellis
dang, speed tiers in bh must suck
wise iron
252 SpA Miraidon Thunder Cage vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kartana: 99-117 (30.7 - 36.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after trapping damage
252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Dragon Energy (150 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kartana: 276-325 (85.7 - 100.9%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Rising Voltage (70 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kartana: 129-152 (40 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
specs miraidon only has a 6.3% chance of OHKOing kartana
wise iron
252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Kartana in Electric Terrain: 335-395 (104 - 122.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
steelix exists for a reason
plus i accidentally turned off terrain
since miraidon is choice locked, it will have to switch and i just bring back kartana
also chansey exists
with quad resist and eviolite somehow working on it, pretty sure chansey will tank the hit
252 SpA Choice Specs Miraidon Rising Voltage (140 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 252 SpD Miraidon(Chansey) in Electric Terrain: 55-64 (13.6 - 15.8%) -- possible 7HKO
high trellis
I do not like that either way
wise iron
?
cunning cairn
would annihilape be better?
oak topaz
252+ Atk Choice Band Mold Breaker Kartana Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mir...
this is fine actually
if you can improof i think this is a good teammate
wise iron
if you can improof i think this is a good teammate
Kartana is quad weak to fire and weak to fighting. Kyogre and fairceus improof it I think.
oak topaz
No no no
You will die if you are relying on two mons both weak to its stabs to improof
wise iron
Then what should I do
Nvm I misunderstood what improof was
Ok hear me out ... Ho-oh
Ho as an ice scales mon over kyo, what do you think
Or maybe a steel/bug over mega steelix
Wait nvm steel bug is quad weak to v create
Hooh is the right choice I think
Resists all stabs and v create
And kart is quad weak to fire
wise iron
What do you think @oak topaz
Getting rid of Kyo means steelix isn't improofed tho
Or Ash gren
Maybe replacing fairceus with another fur coat user
late laurel
https://pokepast.es/23fcc09fdb261982 weakens things before pivoting into deoxys a to finish the job
dusk pasture
2 regenvest and a scales with no fur coat seems interesting
wise iron
Hooh is the right choice I think
252+ Atk Choice Band Teravolt Kartana Headlong Rush vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Arceus-Fire: 350-414 (78.8 - 93.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Flame Plate Arceus-Fire Judgment vs. +1 252 HP / 252 SpD Kartana: 724-856 (224.8 - 265.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Actually arc fire seems like the best choice. Outspeeds kart and kills with judgement. Can also tank a headlong rush from kart.
atomic lotus
fireceus loses to everything rn and eats the arc slot
also if you take 78 min its not really a good improof
if you use v-create instead it could work? but you’re still using fc fireceus so ehhhh
wise iron
There is no other kart counter
wise iron
The kart set was to kill miraidon
atomic lotus
and stack up stuff like ho-oh mdiancie mblaze resh
atomic lotus
The kart set was to kill miraidon
yeah ho-oh still improofs surely
unless if you run like, flip turn
wise iron
And ho-oh is basically dead to Ash gren and provides no improof for it
Ho oh is the best of the two ig
Wondering what it should replace tho
Cos Kyo is my gren improof and arceus is a well arceus
Maybe regen vest ho oh could work, but a bulky steel type is pretty damn good
atomic lotus
i think imp can go?
you can do something funky like prank hooh
and then regenvest yvel instead
dusk pasture
is there a reason for the adamant nature on mlix
atomic lotus
https://pokepast.es/c7091ee61a93ac22
this is an decent core but cramming setup control in here is very difficult now
atomic lotus
tidy up flip turn kart (real set by ladder)
dusk pasture
me when the
wise iron
Haze on Kyo prob doesn't help
surreal portal
there's not really any reason for ash-gren to be sniper over tc, and most sets go with recovery over glance
even hitting a fc dragon super effectively will not be strong enough to break it in most cases, and forgoing recovery on something that procs helmet with every other move isn't ideal
these natures also need fixing (naive gren, sassy mlix, sassy pogre) in addition to arc-fairy having 0 atk ivs
wise iron
Strength sap and on hasty gren, max attack lax arc fairy, brave mlix, relaxed pogre. Anything else?
@surreal portal
surreal portal
wht
what is lax
why are you still intent on brave mlix when it's just worse than sassy
surreal portal
sassy (+spdef)
wise iron
Done. Anything else?
surreal portal
naive gren (you want damage on imp with edrift), bold or timid arc-fairy, sassy pogre
wise iron
All done
Also sniper gren is for mlix
252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Greninja-Ash Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Steelix-Mega on a critical hit: 303-360 (85.5 - 101.6%) -- approx. 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sniper Greninja-Ash Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Steelix-Mega on a critical hit: 351-420 (99.1 - 118.6%) -- approx. 93.8% chance to OHKO
wise iron
The difference between sniper and tough claws is electro drift doing 1x or 1.3x damage and Surging Strikes and wicked blow doing 1.3x to 1.5x
252 Atk Life Orb Sniper Greninja-Ash Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ting-Lu on a critical hit: 537-642 (104.4 - 124.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Greninja-Ash Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ting-Lu on a critical hit: 468-561 (91 - 109.1%) -- approx. 56.3% chance to OHKO
wise iron
Tough claws it is ig
surreal portal
you're showing calcs here is if people are going to leave their ground type on a life orb-boosted water attacker
wise iron
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja-Ash Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 252- SpD Greninja-Ash: 309-367 (88.7 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Tough Claws Greninja-Ash Electro Drift (133.3251953125 BP) vs. +1 252 HP / 252- SpD Greninja-Ash: 403-476 (115.8 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Yeah tough claws makes a difference
oak topaz
Cos Kyo is my gren improof and arceus is a well arceus
kyogre is not your gren improof, fairyceus is
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/4683bb77742fb6d9
STABmons
Wanted to build Houndstone because
uh
yeah
anyway, EVs Outspeed Scarf Dengo in Sand, and live a Sucker Punch from Gambit from full without any boosts from Supreme Overlord.
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orchid grove
I almost wanna see if I can sneak in Slowbro over Pex, and swap Heatran for a more immediate breaker, I'm still trying to figure out what specifically though.
fossil cove
isn't last respects banned...
orchid grove
not in STABmons no
sage rose
isn't last respects banned...
It's restricted, so Houndstone can use it, but another ghost mon can't, like Mimikyu.
fossil cove
oh...
atomic lotus
https://pokepast.es/6572fb972496e714
(bh) the explosion mdiancie snr ghostceus core was cool so i’m building with it again, this time w/ an actual structure though
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atomic lotus
fc zac is hella yvetal improof + fc copium so looking to change it
maybe i can make the ghostceus fc
surreal portal
in general i'm not really a fan of explosion strats since they hinge really heavily on getting the explosion right, but thats personal preference
i don't fully see the role that regenvest yvel fills here and what makes it worth using over other regenvesters that may be easier to improof, also zacian should be cloak if its staying
atomic lotus
yvel’s just the one actually good defensive dark i could think of
to improof the uh
prank
surreal portal
do you really need to improof the prank? as in imp already doesn't want to stay in and eat glare, and getting glared as a regenvest has its benefits
atomic lotus
i always get fully para’d as the regenvest so /shrug
like genuinely the times i’ve gotten full parad on a regenvester is probably higher than my full paras on all the other mons combined
so i’d prefer consistency (ironic) if possible
surreal portal
yeah it s a bug
surreal portal
i believe so yes
prime bane
Weird
surreal portal
as for the team it looks pretty sound, the biggest issue seems to be that swampert's low instant recovery means that strong special attackers can potentially overwhelm it
prime bane
Hrm
surreal portal
i'm also not sure on the imp ho-oh matchup
surreal portal
mpert doesn't necessarily need sap but sap arc-psn fixes the ho-oh matchup pretty cleanly
but mpert being (not jungle) is the important thing
jungle's healing just isn't adequate
prime bane
Right imp has 5 pp on everything and sap fc can stall that
And you can remove hazards and poison imp
surreal portal
correct
is there anything in particular that edrift / hjk hit on blace
and the same thing for regenvest yveltal as opposed to any other mon
prime bane
is there anything in particular that edrift / hjk hit on blace
Edrift hits non scales waters and fur coat yvel
Hjk hits other darks specifically mtar and primsea/wbb steels
Yvel is just the regenvest dark i like and i wanted some anti simple no retreat arc ghost
I just liked it and didnt want anything else or the improofing becomes inadequate
Ig i could use glacial lance or u turn over hjk
Or uhhh
Headlong rush?
surreal portal
its not that edrift and hjk are bad, its moreso that the things they hit are relatively niche (more specifically hjk)
prime bane
Ig
Is headlong rush better then
I dont want to run u turn because i want imped blace to give my mpert free setup turns
surreal portal
you probably still want the regenvest slot on the team due to blace and diancie's frailty
prime bane
Yeah i do need the regenvest
surreal portal
Is headlong rush better then
it hits mostly the same stuff since you can astral psea steels and headlong/hjk rocks
volt switch may be an option but current moveset could still also be ok
prime bane
Hm volt is ok
What about
V create astral magical torque volt switch
Magical torque hits dragons
And darks
surreal portal
with volt on the set idt torque really has a niche over like hjk and headlong, since all beat mtar but none are better than volting out of fc yvel
and there aren't really any relevant dragons that aren't fearing astral
surreal portal
v/astral/volt/realistically anything
prime bane
I guess just
surreal portal
you can run stuff to snipe rocks, you can go volt tackle to snipe pogre
prime bane
v/astral/volt/realistically anything
Does pain split work
surreal portal
it can work; i think sap is a lot better but split probably does fine
prime bane
Ssap makes imp iffier
Esp since the whole mpert fodder thing becomes not so doable with -1 attack and a full health chansey
surreal portal
if you just want free vdances on pert then yeah go split
i just think for blace itself its a worse option at keeping the mon healthy
prime bane
I just wanted a strong attacker that also makes imp fodder
I dont really need it to heal much either since its mg
surreal portal
stuff like protean attackers and no retreat ghosts can do that
these also benefit from being much faster
surreal portal
you don't switch it in the same way you don't throw imp out against blace
prime bane
Those are mostly consistently self improofed p easily
It might be good if they assume its poltergeist or ssap
Was the idea anyways
surreal portal
something i just noticed but mglo mmx seems like a pretty dire matchup for this as well
prime bane
Mglo mmx was okayish in testing
I got destroyed by a random ass victory dance mmx in ladder
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/87f7f675b25c3429
Where can knock off/salt cure fit?
acoustic cradle
you can run knock>headsmash on hooh
dull blade
Mold breaker>Teravolt
wise iron
Mold breaker>Teravolt
Aren't they the same thing?
oak topaz
Teravolt is superior because its less characters
high trellis
Turboblaze is clearly better bc it has turbo in its name
That way you can call sets using the ability Turbo[X]
Like would you rather run Moldy lando, or TurboLando
void flame
Teravolt mega blastoise name goes hard
sage rose
teravolt resembles the very undesirable mechanic of tera, making it significatly worse than moldbreaker and turbo blaze
wise iron
"<name> is radiating a blazing aura!" for turboblaze.
"<name> is radiating a bursting aura!" for teravolt.
"<name> breaks the mold!" for mold breaker.
Personally, I prefer bursting aura over blazing aura and breaking the mold
high trellis
I like blazing bc it sounds like guns blazing
wise iron
acoustic cradle
real
acoustic cradle
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surreal portal
knock on deo means the yveltal improof is pretty dodgy, and honestly it might be better just going a protean mixed set there which has basically the same power but needs knock less (so you can drop it and improof + keep boots)
otherwise the only other issue is the arc-water set, which doesn't really do anything of note (especially into pogre); all it can realistically do is get the slow tp, but you don't have big nukes that are threatening to OHKO it from full
acoustic cradle
otherwise the only other issue is the arc-water set, which doesn't really do any...
yeah that was quite quickly obvious, would replacing tp with cm work?
the idea is to have deo knock vests for etern since etern can fight most other things on its own
surreal portal
tp is honestly the most useful move on that ngl, if you want to change anything it should probably be just making it a full cm or tidy set
surreal portal
the idea is to have deo knock vests for etern since etern can fight most other t...
is there any ranges that knock actually matters for though, given etern still needs to get to +3 to actually OHKO vestless pogre
acoustic cradle
tidy water sap +1?
acoustic cradle
is there any ranges that knock actually matters for though, given etern still ne...
off the top of my head torch 2hkoes mlix
surreal portal
the only range i think i can see is double torch missing out on the av mlix KO but that might just be it
acoustic cradle
yeah
surreal portal
tidy water sap +1?
does it need to be specifically waterceus?
acoustic cradle
not really i wanted an ice resist at least and that was the first one that popped up
surreal portal
in that case you probably want either tidy/liquid/shackle/sap or cm/scald/mortal/sap in order to have removal
acoustic cradle
aight
robust kindle
https://pokepast.es/b4fab6ac807d8511
AAA team
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timid meadow
@gloomy elm let’s see you handle this
gloomy elm
https://pokepast.es/b4fab6ac807d8511
AAA team
the first thing that stands out to me is this chien-pao set, it's just not that good. scarf doesn't give you many notable speed tiers that are worth the immense drop in both power and versatility, while strong jaw is pretty much unviable. ice fang boosted by strong jaw is weaker than icicle crash (or even spinner) boosted by SoR or MGLO, while these abilities also boost your other moves greatly
this set is pretty weak, it doesn't do much of anything
especially if you're going to pair it with screens (i'll get to that in a minute), i don't see much reason to not go swords dance
im not sure what the cinderace is trying to do, either
turboblaze to beat wbb is nice but a screens team is gonna have more than enough ways to deal with something like wbb corv (which isnt that great anyway)
you have two really strong physical breakers who can overwhelm each others checks, so I think SD MGLO cinderace is gonna be way better here
what are the evs on hatterene supposed to do
aside from being odd number evs which are useless it just feels like you're trying to be both a sponge and a sweeper which is gonna leave you short of both
i'd swap that out for an enamorus-therian, who can actually perform both of these functions decently well with iron defense + calm mind
robust kindle
Is that all?
gloomy elm
im thinking about this wo-chien set
im wondering what the thought process was for having it here over another screener like mew or corv
gloomy elm
i think I like corvi best here, u-turn on a screener is a lot more valuable compared to stun spore (even if ruination could be useful)
i really dont like this treads set tbh, the evs are strange and assault vest and wbb don't have great synergy
go with the standard wbb set because the fire immunity and pivoting are useful, but leftovers does more for you here
the kilowattrel is fine, i don't hate it here and having a strong special attacker that can u-turn out of regenvesters is useful enough
here's the revamped version of the team i'd suggest, it keeps the strong voltturn core of kilo and cinder while maximizing the potential of your other mons, with chien-pao and cinderace working together to overload physical walls https://pokepast.es/8abd8ba42973989b
robust kindle
Ty so much bud.
gloomy elm
there's a few weaknesses here, mainly against opposing HO, but you should have the tools to deal with the common things you'll see
robust kindle
I'm new in AAA so I'm really greateful :D 👍
gloomy elm
no team can cover everything but your initial team was a good start with some good ideas, hope this version of the team works a little better for you! and feel free to change sets/moves more as you get into the tier and start to get your own sense of what you need
np!! i hope you enjoy playing :3
robust kindle
np!! i hope you enjoy playing :3
Thank you :D. It feels good talk with people so kind like you
high trellis
https://pokepast.es/b4fab6ac807d8511
AAA team
Both the kilowattel and the future donphan set are ill fits for screens
You want insane breaking power that benefits from not fearing taking s hit
Kilo just doesnt have that power and future donphan isnt a breaker at all
gloomy elm
i think treads is fine here, you’re sacrificing some breaking power but it allows you to have a second team “mode” thats more akin to voltturn offense than screens offense
something like NP thundy can go over kilo though
gloomy elm
agree
nimble jasper
Bru they should make some bans for defensive abilities
Stall is so dumb in frantic
sacred oriole
#comp-general
gloomy elm
ill try to do this when im downstairs im w family upstairs rn
rugged sinew
i'm shouting at other chinese ompl managers brb
paper moat
johners...
gloomy elm
rate rhis dog
rugged sinew
nerd
timid meadow
also make eleki hp and not
rugged sinew
that's not how it works silly
gloomy elm
ok i escaped the hotbox let me look at this again
timid meadow
also drill run or crunch over pjabbb tbh
paper moat
i mean does hp live anything significant
paper moat
i want to wear down chomper as much as possible
gloomy elm
https://pokepast.es/161392ac5b491f74
not sure what attack on eleki does for you here, spin isnt doing much damage to anything
tera blast is 4x effective already
timid meadow
if u have a wacko spread
u can live earth power from volc
source
it happened in ompl
rugged sinew
u can live earth power from volc
252 SpA Life Orb Volcanion Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Regieleki: 304-359 (83.5 - 98.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
paper moat
and also if theyre desoland dirge then treads tropps
timid meadow
let me see what our spread was
gloomy elm
i dont like bullet punch on luc here, your team is fast enough as is and you really want stedge imo
sure it helps into chien-pao but it's pretty weak when ur spatk
timid meadow
twisted shit from hell spread
Regieleki @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Refrigerate
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Electric
EVs: 104 Def / 252 SpA / 100 SpD / 52 Spe
Modest Nature
- Tera Blast
- Rapid Spin
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
paper moat
what the fuck
gloomy elm
having something that keeps moth from coming in on you is more useful than the prio imo
rugged sinew
what the fuck
paper moat
yeah i think edge
paper moat
moth gets trolled
gloomy elm
moth isnt a problem matchup or anything but that tool is more important here i think
also smacks zap really hard
speaking of zap im not sure why flame > ice beam on the koodra, there's not much relevant that you hit thats worth having it over ice beam. there's ee treads but you already troll it with skewda and your own treads, and zama-c ig
but you have the tools to deal with zama-c like cc barra and luc
keeping chomp from switching in on you and actually bothering the zap you switch in on seems better here
rugged sinew
but you have the tools to deal with zama-c like cc barra and luc
neither of whom switches in
and luc just dies to bp
gloomy elm
goodra doesnt exactly take body press well
rugged sinew
yes, but you prevent it from coming in in the first place with flame
gloomy elm
which is why i mentioned it as "ig"
plenty of things keep zama out here if they're in
timid meadow
idk what more do you want
gloomy elm
ice beam better
rugged sinew
but yea zapdos checks it
252 Atk Zamazenta-Crowned Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zapdos: 166-196 (43.2 - 51%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
rugged sinew
why is it not pinging the bh people
nimble jasper
Anyone got frantic teams?
sacred oriole
It hasn't been working for me for a while
It works less well in this channel since it has to try and figure out which mega you’re playing
You need paste + meta name in the same message
wise iron
So would I have to write balanced hackmons or BH?
surreal portal
as far as i know chatot checks the meta that's on the paste
or alternatively BH bc that's what the bot pings me with
sacred oriole
It does not check the paste; you should include BH in the message
wise iron
I see
wise iron
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wise iron
Nice, it worked
dusk pasture
is espeed really that good on kyu-w
surreal portal
pretty big issue with this team is the sets; no recovery mmx, no axe/pivot/knock yvel, no haze pogre, useless freeze-dry on kyuw are big issues
another issue is you have realistically no good option against opposing pogre
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/c2760de65a2984c7 New BH team
surreal portal
what is mild 30spe for
i mean ik its so ash-gren outspeeds deo but when are you ever using your own ash-gren to chase out imp deo
wise iron
I swap ash-gren into an astral barrage and take about 50% on a max roll and they would think tey outspeed me and go for vs or headlong rush to kill. Then I kill with wicked blow
visual dome
https://pokepast.es/23b07a812dc6ed66 A BH team around Sword of Ruin Kartana. I'm a bit troubled if the mons are properly improofed or not and if the team matches up well against the major meta threats. I did test it and worked but since it was on the low ladder I'm not sure if it'll do the same on higher points on the ladder
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oak topaz
sash kartana is pretty bad
kartana also doesn't have good synergy with fairyceus
your team is also very weak to imposter
Miraidon is the only one that doesn't straight up lose
visual dome
so what changes should I make?
wise iron
I swap ash-gren into an astral barrage and take about 50% on a max roll and they...
@surreal portal
surreal portal
<@523951003112833027>
why would they necessarily go for astral onto your deo when headlong does 85 min
and they lose ghost typing so if they don't kill they take less from astral
wise iron
ash-gren doesn't get koed by headlong so i can switch in, they think they outspeed and i kill with wicked blow
i would prob be able to sap my health back from some other phs attacker
surreal portal
you are taking up to potentially 75% on something with immense frailty, weakness to all hazards, procs helmet on everything, and life orb
that is not reliable
they can also just get the volt switch predict and instakill you
SE wicked/surging isn't even a guaranteed KO from full
wise iron
Maybe i run blizzard over glacial yveltal can kill with knock
wise iron
SE wicked/surging isn't even a guaranteed KO from full
252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Greninja-Ash Wicked Blow vs. 252 HP / 252- Def Deoxys on a critical hit: 892-1053 (126.7 - 149.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO (Deoxys is at proper imposter hp)
surreal portal
no thats wrong
you've done it on deoxys rather than chansey
meaning the +1 that's supposed to emulate eviolite is being ignored by crit
252 Atk Life Orb Tough Claws Greninja-Ash Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252- Def Eviolite Chansey on a critical hit: 615-732 (87.3 - 103.9%) -- approx. 12.5% chance to OHKO (ground-type imp)
wise iron
But wicked is super effective against deo
wise iron
I didn't see the last part you added
surreal portal
long and short of it is that this improof works if and only if they click astral, isn't even guaranteed to work if they do so, is highly telegraphed (both from the fact you're sending in ash-gren on a deo + can sometimes be calced), instantly folds if they do something not on the plan, and forces major chip on something that's incredibly frail and wants to minimize time spent not doing damage
would heavily recommend finding something else
prime bane
Also not going +speed severely cuts into deoxys performance
wise iron
So ig I'm not doing deo
surreal portal
you can use deo but you're very much after a different moveset that'll make it easier to improof with defensive mons
when i was building basically this same set with deo-a before ban i quickly realized that glance hitting yveltal + scales groundceus really isn't worth the massive pains it gives to improofing
prime bane
Also not going +speed severely cuts into deoxys performance
You mainly dont outspeed the 135s (mirai flutter) and also zacian and it also makes it so that opposing gren dont get threatened by you
surreal portal
(yvel is harassed by the pivot move and groundceus is 2hkoed by headlong anyway)
prime bane
Ive used flower trick to hit groundceus individually if u wanna hit that still
Also gives u a resistance to pblades in the meanwhile
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/f867b4ec95711ce2 The good thing about mdour is that it resists gigaton, glacial lance and astral barrage and it can knock chansey's eviolite and click astral barrage
surreal portal
the main concern now is no headlong on deo + your physical wall is now brutalized by mmx
sticking with yveltal here is likely the easiest option to improof it
wise iron
Yveltal @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Ice Scales
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Sassy Nature
- Knock Off
- Strength Sap
- Nuzzle
- Collision Course
Deoxys @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Tera Type: Psychic
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Astral Barrage
- Headlong Rush
- Volt Switch
- Blizzard
This are my current sets
How shoukd I change them to improof deo
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dusk pasture
blizzard....
what is it hitting
and do you really need to trade 30% accuracy for 20 more BP
visual dome
kartana also doesn't have good synergy with fairyceus
what changes should I make then?
surreal portal
<@523951003112833027>
collision is a wasted slot on yveltal, otherwise blizzard/ice beam run into basically the same problem of glance in that they let you hit slightly more mons but in return make improofing more annoying (considering you now have to dodge freezes)
smth like lumina crash is a lot more useful for hitting things and yvel is naturally immune
wise iron
smth like lumina crash is a lot more useful for hitting things and yvel is natur...
Astral on Yveltal is ok right?
surreal portal
do you mean yveltal knowing astral or yveltal getting hit with astral
wise iron
Yveltal knowing astral
surreal portal
thats also a dead moveslot
wise iron
Rapid Spin?
surreal portal
probably works
surreal portal
well gren now has no improof really
wise iron
Isn't that fairyceus?
wise iron
No, yveltal is scales, fairyceus is fur coat
Anyway, I'm going to wake up tomorrow to see what else I need to do
atomic lotus
https://pokepast.es/fa4b262f73d84ffe
(bh) cool dragons
kyuw hates steels so resh deals with steels, in exchange kyuw baits waters and clicks volt/fdry
my problem is that i literally cannot fit spikes in whatsoever
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pogre improof also looks iffy, nothing here likes losing items and fairyceus is afraid of burns
but idk what scales to use
surreal portal
the biggest concern is just the kyu-w wincon in general bc it's a bad mon, but other than that everything seems ok
would recommend gigaton on steelix over spin tho
atomic lotus
oh right
spin was when i had spikes on fairyceus should change that yeah
also dont slander the kyuw all my teams insta lose to it :(
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/2f0a145b311bc339 bh team, tried to cook
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this looks fine? main thing of concern here is the mono fc as etern (should be +spe btw) means you kinda just autolose to stuff like kyub, mchomp, etc
also i question the viability of dialga-o in this meta rn considering mlix kinda just exists but that’s on you
wise iron
It resists most of what threatens mdactyle, i can use revelation dance multiple times in a row and it is neutral to fb
atomic lotus
the thing is that maero is relatively frail, so a decent neutral stab already forces it out
if you want a regenvest that’s neutral to fire, regenvest ting-lu is still ok-ish as a deo-n check and util mon
or even if you wanted something thats good and can hit back regenvest yveltal
atomic lotus
I also dont love the mdia mu
dont they have a scales groundceus
prime bane
dont they have a scales groundceus
+attack espeed does like 40 its pretty sketchy
atomic lotus
+attack espeed does like 40 its pretty sketchy
i mean you can’t name a real mdia check either can you /shrug
prime bane
Fur coat arc poison
atomic lotus
(also whos running +atk)
prime bane
Regenvest mlix checks semi well
atomic lotus
Fur coat arc poison
252+ SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Arceus-Poison: 147-174 (33.1 - 39.1%) -- 99.9% chance to 3HKO
not good enough
youre forced to heal
wise iron
252 SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Diancie Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Dialga-Origin: 127-151 (31.4 - 37.3%) -- 83.4% chance to 3HKO
252+ SpA Dialga-Origin Revelation Dance vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Diancie: 424-504 (139.4 - 165.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
atomic lotus
thats regular diancie
wise iron
252+ Atk Diancie-Mega V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Dialga-Origin: 175-207 (43.3 - 51.2%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
wise iron
252+ Atk Pixilate Diancie-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Dialga-Origin: 141-166 (34.9 - 41%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
prime bane
Pixie plate
prime bane
Groundceus is good enough as a cope vs specs
wise iron
252 SpA Pixilate Diancie Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Dialga-Origin: 108-127 (26.7 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
prime bane
This is again
wise iron
252 SpA Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Dialga-Origin: 150-177 (37.1 - 43.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
wise iron
This is specs
Actually it doesn't
for some reason the calc doesn't put specs on it
252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Dialga-Origin: 223-264 (55.1 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
atomic lotus
yeah so
prime bane
When u put mega you need to re select the item
atomic lotus
really sus
prime bane
Hm
I would like to use the arc slot as poison
Fur coat yvel ice scales spinner arc poison should work as the core
And you make dialga o mlix
atomic lotus
what if mdia is pblades…
atomic lotus
not secure enough for me but eh, mdia is basically impossible to actually check anyways
prime bane
If you do not get hard sniped with
Life orb pain split mdia
You can cope with arc + imp
surreal portal
https://pokepast.es/2f0a145b311bc339 bh team, tried to cook
i think these have already been talked abt but mono-fc etern and tidy tox arc with no improof seem to be the biggest issues here
unboosted maero also just isn't that strong at wallbreaking so i think you need the diancie slot to be something like a phys-biased mixed attacker or scary band mon to support it
(for reference LO head smash barely cracks 33% on fc etern which is less bulky than most other fur coaters)
wise iron
What about kart over mdiancie
prime bane
Oh yea blace also seems like an issue
wise iron
And just replace etern with mirai
then run headlong on kart
then comes the problem of improofing
surreal portal
fc mirai would probably put you in a situation where the defensive issues are about the same (very poor mu into band dragons) but you just have a generally better wincon
prime bane
Your dia issue also becomes way worse
wise iron
So i replace diao with mlix
maybe i put vcreate on maero to deal with imp kart
nevermind, vcreate only does half
surreal portal
you also have the concern of getting aero in front of kart safely
prime bane
Even flower trick does over half
wise iron
eruption on mirai over salt cure actually has a 62.5% chance to ko or 93.8% with stealth rock up
wise iron
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wise iron
I was also considering a protean set with fairyceus https://pokepast.es/62926978725364ad
dusk pasture
I was also considering a protean set with fairyceus https://pokepast.es/62926978...
doesn't switching to protean mean arcfairy doesn't work as an improof
doesn't kartana also lack an improof at that point
wise iron
I'll just use the first one then
What if I swapped the two mewtwo sets, so the one with fairyceus would have the magic guard set and the one with poisonceus would have the protean set?
wise iron
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this mmx set looks pretty gimped just for the sake of arc improofing it; the lack of coverage severely limits what it can do as a choice bander
non-boots yveltal and cloak zekrom are also some pretty odd choices
wise iron
I just wanted to try out zekrom
surreal portal
at the very least you need gigaton mmx if you want to have zekrom be useful
so you don't just have your whole team folding to fc fairyceus
wise iron
Should I just replace mmx with the standard set and replace wicked blow with something else?
surreal portal
if you're really intent on keeping ghostceus here then you can probably go cc/u-turn/gigaton/some filler like headlong for arc-psn
surreal portal
it obviously needs to be fur coat so the team has an actual physical wall; it mostly depends on whether you have a specific preference for mmx coverage (then adjust the arc slot) or whether you have a preference for the arc (and adjust coverage to improof)
poison and fairy seem like the easiest fits, although less common ones like ground work too
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/e9ff7021361b1aca Does this look good?
surreal portal
arc wants sap and mortal + tox is kind of unnecessary but otherwise looks fine
wise iron
Thanks
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Meant to put covert Cloak on dialga
surreal portal
i'm not exactly sure what regenvest etern is supposed to be doing here; even if it walls dialga you're still outspeeding it and thus it still gets a free slow pivot
prime bane
also in general to me torch songless av etern feels kinda doodoo personally
wise iron
What about mlix over etern?
prime bane
i would actually just
ice scales etern and mlix
and id maybe like cloaker mortal spin on fairyceus
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/08c6794dea469d83 This good?
surreal portal
etern probably wants timid and you'd want something like nuzzle/haze/recover/filler on chansey to improof etern
wise iron
Does heal bell works as filler?
surreal portal
yeah filler can be just anything
heal bell's probably the easiest since imp has no reason to stay in anyway (limiting the utility of mean look)
oak topaz
im not sure if i like the double walled by fat fc neutral core
wise iron
What if I run rayquaza over hooh
atomic lotus
and run what moves lol
brave bird denergy sap filler and get infinitely walled by fairyceus
atomic lotus
or run aerilate and get outclassed by everything
like just run mdiancie
better speed, offensive (and defensive to an extent) typing, and hits way harder
atomic lotus
i think the core should be like
scales fairyceus fc yvel
rest is ok
if you wanna run mdiancie
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/7eb9520a46905398 With protean/libero being banned, how should I change my team? (BH)
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I was thinking of using deoa since it got unbanned
surreal portal
you're not really going to get comparable nuking power with protean gone; the closest you're likely to get would likely either a magic guard deo-a or one of the ruin abils
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/29c265b9370331a7 This good?
surreal portal
sap on deo-a is basically pointless (and arguably so is head smash) so assuming you're improofing with arc-psn you probably want like edrift and some filler like knock
wise iron
Why is sap pointless?
surreal portal
what hits are you taking that you're reasonably going to survive
surreal portal
it has to be implemented in the challenge code and then it's applied on server restart, which has no consistent timing afaik
wise iron
Thanks
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/1b84fec6f42f45ed I saw the cooking set and wanted to try it (BH)
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I also have this https://pokepast.es/36ae6815d7a0bbf9
atomic lotus
both autoloses to band dragons unfort
i guess you can bluff dragon moves with the cookers but thats about it
wise iron
Maybe I put fairyceus over mirai and replace ghostceus with something else like mega Garchomp
Or fairyceus over yveltal
atomic lotus
scales fairyceus over yveltal leaves some cplay options yeah
also makes mmx less bs
(if you run cloak)
wise iron
Scales fairyceus should be calm right?
atomic lotus
i usually run calm, timid could work too
wise iron
Got it
atomic lotus
anyways uh
https://pokepast.es/6108c3f419d41a76 (bh) mg mmx umm uhh lumina broken uhh
kyub is a p random slot cause idk what to pair with mmx here
prime bane
anyways uh
https://pokepast.es/6108c3f419d41a76 (bh) mg mmx umm uhh lumina brok...
i dont like running u turn on such a free imposter mon its basically a free switch
id use like, headlong rush over u turn
and ssap fairyceus to improof it better
you also have no proper v create switch ins :/
atomic lotus
you also have no proper v create switch ins :/
imp is good enough :alomotrolla:
anyways uh i dont really like sap on a spdef you’re ultra exploitable
i had uturn (and jolly) because mlix was my improof, i didnt wanna drop imp for a proper improof
dusk pasture
or just
use a better fc mon than yveltal
does fc arcfairy not improof both mons fine
also what are those coverage move options on kyu-b ew
idt jolly exactly does much for it either
dusk pasture
honestly teravolt kyu-b is just kinda bad from my own experience
dusk pasture
252 Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Mewtwo-Mega-X Low Kick (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Yveltal: 195-231 (42.7 - 50.6%) -- 2.3% chance to 2HKO
atomic lotus
i can never escape big fish can i
dusk pasture
pivot on what
kyurem needs to come in and outspeed stuff and force it out
you dont even OHKO pogre with glaive rush which is kind of sad
atomic lotus
pivot on what
on the defensive guys that wants to absorb mortal/knock?
dusk pasture
not even 2HKO'ing mlix is just
sad
gimping yourself severely to improof and removing v-create/headlong coverage
atomic lotus
boc youre a kyub user why are you dissing it this hard
dusk pasture
because i use a good kyub set
252+ Atk Choice Band Sword of Ruin Kyurem-Black V-create vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Steelix-Mega: 406-478 (114.6 - 135%) -- guaranteed OHKO
that can do this
shouldn't be +def on mlix but whatever
atomic lotus
i really do not wanna drop imp for a real improof…
atomic lotus
fine
back to big fucking dozo
i can never run away from him
HAHAJSBSJBAHAJNAJJD
great now i have no knock improof
amazing
dusk pasture
since when did you ever have one
dusk pasture
amazing
atomic lotus
i am genuinely going to start running prank diao just to have a knock immune
i am going insane
prime bane
i am genuinely going to start running prank diao just to have a knock immune
Yk yk palko is a knock immune steel resist and v create switch in yk yk
atomic lotus
ok but then i have to improof that
so either i run no boosting move and deal 0 damage
or i run prank/scales chans
prime bane
ok but then i have to improof that
Just run it over kyub
And it gets improofed by fairy arc
atomic lotus
+2 252 SpA Lustrous Globe Palkia-Origin Steam Eruption vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Ice Scales Arceus-Fairy: 167-197 (37.6 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Arceus-Fairy Moonblast vs. +1 252 HP / 252+ SpD Palkia-Origin: 126-150 (17.8 - 21.3%) -- possible 5HKO
the j
you can psn it at most…
atomic lotus
evio
prime bane
You just poison it and beat it lol i dont see the issue
Plus why are you +spdef
On palkia
prime bane
You can run cm on your arc afaik
atomic lotus
fair
https://pokepast.es/5302f31f731c38f2
fixed stuff
mmx and palko doesn’t offensively synergies as well but eh
wise iron
https://pokepast.es/33a7688b6f05d545 Double Ground/Dragons (BH)
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the big question here is why you're using fillet away both on zygarde and not on a ho structure
aside from the HP jump from power construct the mon only has base 100 attack and no boosting ability
the team also lacks a good option for opposing fc arc-fairy
tired cave
"let him cook"
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paper moat
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orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/e9ff9698ae519665
Let's kick things off with STABmons and a team around broken Gzap
team has been WashTom Weak, but otherwise quite solid, if anyone has any ideas to improve that MU that'd be cool.
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orchid grove
Rachi is probably replacable, but I was really just looking for a filler Melo check that could throw down Rocks.
timid meadow
OM rates are open again!
Who approved this
orchid grove
I know the EVs on BM Luna crept something at +1 but I uh
forgot?
Sorry.
ohhhhh right it was Adamant Mamoswine, silly me.
shrewd spoke
hooray, om rates are free
https://pokepast.es/31feba5d90da3cf8
(bh) take heart ghostceus is a cool lategame wincon that can genuinely straight up win 1v1s vs ridiculous stuff and often baits in scales arcs/hooh/yvel or random stuff like maudi that hates having their item gone for mmx
so i knock them and i win long term with that + mmx + rocks
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shrewd spoke
i actually used this during my first suspect run but haven't shared it around too much
oak topaz
So you have this knock off user
That knocks off boots
But you have nothing to capitalize that
surreal portal
this seems relatively sound, but maud seems quite annoying and rapid spin mlix doesn't really do anything
surreal portal
playing against diancie also seems like pain as boomburst potentially 2hkoes steela after rocks and you have no other switch besides "just predict v-create"
oak topaz
That one is also true
I think scales mirai is unsound as a set
I don’t usually like to say stuff like that, but I think it’s a scales mon that loses to a lot of stuff typing wise and just doesn’t check anything
shrewd spoke
playing against diancie also seems like pain as boomburst potentially 2hkoes ste...
i know (i have absolutely no way of coping except changing mirai and losing even more to kart)
shrewd spoke
then i don't have a scales n that's not great
i can use hooh?
but then i gotta do something funky like no fire attack
surreal portal
what is steela doing here other than improofing mmx
shrewd spoke
yeah that's also a copium
surreal portal
steela can feasibly swap for fc mirai -> you have a whole diff scales slot
normal marlin
Oh hey these are back
shrewd spoke
amazing right
oak topaz
You could probably swap megalix
Or just change the defensive core altogether
Your kartana check only needs to check moldy so you don’t need something too naturally fat
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/31feba5d90da3cf8
(bh) take heart ghostceus is a cool lategam...
https://pokepast.es/38955ef7e94bdd17
i think the defensive core works now
getting mirai knocked is an ultra death sentence but i have the best knock absorber of all time!!!
oak topaz
You don’t actually have a miraidon check
Esp if steelix gets knocked from knock trading imposter
Miraidon can kind of 6-0
sturdy lake
https://pokepast.es/293544340200b376
Almost any ability trying some of the new mons and I’ve swept with each of these (except clod)
shrewd spoke
Miraidon can kind of 6-0
which mirai? i go to my own mirai if it’s util, and i literally haven’t seen a single choiced/offensive mirai
sacred oriole
https://pokepast.es/293544340200b376
Almost any ability trying some of the new m...
If you want to run screens, I’d sell out and replace Clod with another setup set
You want a pivoting move on your screen setter, so add U-turn
The manaphy and Kingambit sets are pretty weird, I’d go for either amp or WBB on Kingambit and maybe the funny Motor Drive on Manaphy?
Also Tail Glow + 3a has better potential
timid meadow
Motor drive or even protosynthesis + booster on tail glow + 3 attack manaphy works
Ogerpon-H could also probably opt for desolate land, it’s already fast enough and doesn’t need the extra priority most of the time, instead of grassy glide you can opt for trailblaze there
And could get rid of Lowkick for SD
Updated the team with our suggestions, hope you’ll enjoy
normal marlin
The manaphy and Kingambit sets are pretty weird, I’d go for either amp or WBB on...
Amp?
sacred oriole
damage ampilfication, like Sword of Ruin / Adaptability
sturdy lake
Updated the team with our suggestions, hope you’ll enjoy
Thanks for the help!!
orchid grove
https://pokepast.es/286da0181a15a69a
Another STABmons team, this time centered around Volcanion because I love this mon a lot in this tier.
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Then again, I love Volcanion in general so, I guess it's just amplified when it's so much fun to use here.
Also experimenting with Offensive Stealth Rock Mamoswine, I've used it a ton as a full on Offensive Threat with LO + Tera Grass Trailblaze, but it has an insanely good MU into almost every defogger and spinner in the tier, which makes it a potent offensive rocker.
dusk pasture
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Another STABmons team, this time centered a...
is there a specific reason to use oblivious over thick fat?
prime bane
is there a specific reason to use oblivious over thick fat?
lando pivot into headlong i assume
dusk pasture
the famous mamo-lando mu
orchid grove
is there a specific reason to use oblivious over thick fat?
Lando pivoting in and out of Mamo as it claims KOs.
And it's not like Thick Fat is doing anything for Mamoswine anyway here seeing as it's not using smth like Tera Grass Trailblaze.
prime bane
Also i like water shuriken volc
orchid grove
Also i like water shuriken volc
I do have a Water Shuriken variant, but without Loaded Dice it's on average extremely weak, and Volcanion really prefers the passive recovery of lefties on Sub sets.
quartz dirge
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quartz dirge
forgot tera on pex, make it fairy
compact dirge
Looks pretty hatt weak, your only resist to it's stabs gets nailed by mystical fire
compact dirge
Changing ghold to cloak helps in that regard
Your team is also lacking in the spdef department, so I'd add some investment to either tusk or pex
And also make pex lefties so it doesn't hurt itself when it teras
fossil cove
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Looks fine, but you're really weak to the likes of weavile or pao, id personally change the manaphy to be PhysDef Regenerator with take heart, that way you keep the setup part but also get a more consistent physical wall. Id swap moon then for something like Earth eater or Volt absorb empoleon with rocks to deal with water/ground types
paper moat
you lack a lot of switchins to a lot of things- physwallbreakers to be exact. gapdos, weavile, chien-pao, dnite, etc, you get the idea. the defensive core on this team is also very abusable, you cant switch very well around fairies like enam-t. the overall weakness to voltturn is very notable too, if skewda gets one predict right and removes moth, you get flip turned on too many times
the defensive core needs improvement, you could probably try to get something like corv to help the team
and while tdebris tusk is really good, not super sure on what it does for the team its not really putting pressure on a lot of your team's checks
and im not a super big fan of tusk as mono removal but i havent played around w/ tusk enough to judge that
also you get 6-0ed by triage kommo-o, youll want an answer to that
paper moat
looks fine, but you might get outoffensed too easily since the team is relatively slow
fossil cove
paper moat
is there a specific reason for corv to be ironpress
paper moat
it seems counterintuitive at first but personally i find it easier to have fog since youll be getting many chances to set hazards
apart from that uhhh
thundy MU looks scary but should be outplayable
quartz dirge
Your team is also lacking in the spdef department, so I'd add some investment to...
Ty for the advice! How much sp def would I have to give if I want it on pex? Or is it just max max?
timid meadow
mono spin is fine tbh
if ur running tox debris you almost never want to defog urself
because it applies immense pressure to offensive teams
shrewd spoke
https://pokepast.es/eef5db5b6edab355
(bh) certainly really bad but it's funny
the idea is that i deal like 60% to fcs then they click sap and instantly die to ooze
what are ghosts
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i think this is generally sound but you have actually negative options if they have a ghost (which chances are you can't even trick bc ghostceus and gira)
mostly stemming from mtar not really contributing a ton
i'm also reasonably sure that no-haze or cm arc-fairy doesn't beat snr ghostceus
shrewd spoke
mostly stemming from mtar not really contributing a ton
mtar was an idea to beat ghosts but then i made it non offensive so kinda against the point
probably should make it like
wblow
surreal portal
the only real option i can see to fix the ghost problem would to be to just use something else instead of ursa (eg. moldy mblaze or something)
as iirc there is no physical move immune to type-altering that isn't already normal'
and smth like poison fang over trick only works into nplot fc, which isn't that common
compact dirge
Ty for the advice! How much sp def would I have to give if I want it on pex? Or ...
Max works
quartz dirge
Okok
fossil cove
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surreal portal
pretty big concern here is that this last slot has to do all of hazard removing, improofing chomp, solo checking mmx, and also not losing to mirai
which is essentially impossible; the closest you're going to get is most likely scales fairyceus with sap but even then chomp gigaton stings real bad
surreal portal
i would massively recommend teleport over pshot on mag; you have 3 progress makers that all need to be pivoted in and nothing slower than stuff like mlix
it may also be worth using a different fur coater (eg. arc) and using headlong rush kartana, since that kart slot really needs to be helping your blaziken get through opposing fur coat dragons like other mirai
oak topaz
Poisonceus does not improof either mon
shrewd spoke
like this? https://pokepast.es/f0067db1bb5d53dc
https://pokepast.es/b3ed0de7806372d7
i think the core should be like this, idt mgarde contributes a lot (you still have to fish for arc type for it to work) so i switched it for a kart improof + slowpivot
kart can't break steels like mlix but the mblaze can kill em so eh
surreal portal
psea registeel 💀
shrewd spoke
hate the mon but gotta
surreal portal
/dt ho-oh
shrewd spoke
yeah but then how's the mu vs opp kart
surreal portal
not as bad as the mg mmx matchup if registeel
tired cave
psea registeel 💀
Don't disrespect my boi registeel 
lone helm
Don't disrespect my boi registeel <a:ripbozo:884563039683248138>
the stall man himself tttech!
big honour meeting you fr
normal marlin
umbral lavaBOT
New GG RMT @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
high trellis
GG team
https://pokepast.es/2ea0255e41976d0f
I can instantly tell you to drop thunder bc electro drift is 10 bp weaker and doesnt have the 70% acc
normal marlin
Me when i forget about a signature move
Truly one of the moments of all time
Fixed, any other suggestions?
compact dirge
A few problems
You don't have any hazard removal
Pex should have recover
Pult should be infiltrator and dmeteor > dpulse
Mirai should either be tera dragon or electric, as fire doesn't really do much
You also get swept by zac-c
Kinda just SDs and goes to town
normal marlin
A few problems
You don't have any hazard removal
Pex should have recover
Pult s...
Aight
The only unintentional mistake here was no infiltrator, but ill probably take the rest of these
Namely hazard control
This team was originally HO so making a bulkier team (perhaps with a different donator) from the ground up may be worthwhile
compact dirge
It's late for me rn so I'll look at this more tmrw
normal marlin
Aight
Ill probably have a new and improved team by then (im keeping torterra he has actually carried me so hard)
compact dirge
Okay so the way I'd fix this
Make pex physdef and change the moves to Toxic/Surf/Haze/Recover. This gives you a defensive check to both zac-c and korai which you otherwise lack.
Make mirai scarf and tera dragon. This gives you an offensive check to Zac-C if pex gets worn down or if it comes in too early it gives you an opportunity to revenge kill it. This also gives you an offensive check for non scarf mirai and korai, which is nice.
Drain Punch > Focus Miss on Hoopa, gives you recovery and hits specially defensive checks harder. You could also go 252 HP / 252+ Def to make it extra hard to break after a calm mind or two, speed investment isn't needed since hoopa's already fast enough to outspeed most walls so it's better to emphasize it's bulk. Max hp max spa also works if you wanna hit harder.
Make pult specs, sball/meteor/uturn/flame
Swap ting for iron treads, which gives you spin and a nice pivot for your setup mons
Give torterra headlong > eq, the extra power is worth the stat drops since you'd ideally be cleaning late game and not getting hit anyway, also tera rock is an option to boost rock blast if you want
Sorry if that's a bit much lol
normal marlin
Okay so the way I'd fix this
Make pex physdef and change the moves to Toxic/Surf...
Dont be sorry at all, this is great
And the only mon id be swapping is one i really dont care about lmfao (although 115 ting-lu does kinda go hard)
Thanks!
I may switch back to tera fire to help mirai tank a play rough from zacian, in case mirai is forced to switch into a knock or hoopa-u, but tera dragon will be there for now
Generally, this? https://pokepast.es/7bfbcc1261ae456d
Not sure what EVs or tera I should run on treads, aside from speed
compact dirge
Tera fairy or water I think
And the rest of the evs can go in hp
normal marlin
Alright
compact dirge
I was thinking more max hp max spd but speed doesn't hurt
normal marlin
Speed is really nice, especially with Eterrain for the 1.5
compact dirge
Indeed
normal marlin
Yeah i was gonna tera-rock torterra but the ability to potentially tank an ice move (if i cant get a decent shell smash off) is really nice
As well as keeping a rocks resistance, resisting flying, etc
compact dirge
I mean, rock resists three of grass's weaknesses, so it still has defensive utility
normal marlin
That is true
Especially a fire resist could be nice
But again, Ice resist is really good
At least ive found so far
compact dirge
Nothing wrong with tera steel if you wanna keep it, it's really up to personal preference
Oh wait, I didn't notice you still had will-o on pult, make that flamethrower or fire blast
fossil cove
https://pokepast.es/c257cec17dc6116c @compact dirge
compact dirge
Bout to go to bed, will look tmrw
fossil cove
aw ok
normal marlin
Oh wait, I didn't notice you still had will-o on pult, make that flamethrower or...
Alrighty
Not Thunder because i have mirai, right?
Oh you went to bed, sorry
gloomy elm
more so just fire coverage hits more relevant things
sick shuttle
https://pokepast.es/c257cec17dc6116c <@668850192216358934>
cant run spore amoongus because of sleep clause
having mixed success with this team (GG)
was shuffling 1150~1250 till yesterday but peaked 1300 today
dusk pasture
@compact dirge
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/7cf30545d0ce5178
If you wanna go the screens route, Grimmsnarl is a lot better than hatt, for one because of prankster but also because of parting shot. I can appreciate the need for hazard control but grimm can deny hazards with taunt.
sick shuttle
that's fair
i like having hatterene as a switch in to deny hazards to ting-lu / bee / pex / etc.
honestly screen is mostly to stop hatterene from being used as setup bait
by ekiller / zacian / gliscor / etc.
compact dirge
I think eruption > wisp on torkoal bc eruption's funny
sick shuttle
yeah i can definitely see that
im kind of shaky on that idea because koal gets walled pretty easily be alo / pex / etc.
and will-o at least allows it to neutralise lefties for its teammates
ive been considering earth power / will-o / sludge bomb / eruption in slot4 and will-o came off as reasonable enough
although i might have to change spread if i want to use eruption
anyway, it's not going to do a lot coming off of 85 base spa without setup
actually, fire spin would be pretty funny too
punishes pex and some stall in general
compact dirge
If you're gonna run shell smash tork in speed then you should go max spa max speed
sick shuttle
ig i want to have my cake and eat it too
i like to use tork as a switch in against offensive threats
only use smash like half the time i switch in
and no speed investment is fine off of rayq's 95 base
outspeeds electrode and such but doesn't want to see scarfers / protosynthesis / quark drivers
although koal doesn't have the tech to threaten moth / wake anyway so there isn't much of a point
sick shuttle
no worries
surprised that cloyster is low tier on the viability rankings
when it can set up somewhat easily and hits like a truck
although it's definitely not breaking unaware walls with that typing
compact dirge
Speaking of unaware
This team needs a way to break dozo
sick shuttle
yes i have no other dozo check so im fucked once it dies
150 base spa STAB energy ball is typically enough because dozo doesnt get spd setup
compact dirge
This team also wants hazards, idk how to fit them tho
sick shuttle
that's true
for some reason i just cant be assed to use hazards on most of my teams
koal can run rocks over will-o just fine but eh
compact dirge
Well I gotta go do something, sorry if I was kinda unhelpful
sick shuttle
no problem, any second thought helps
compact dirge
I never build ho so I don't really know the overall structure
sick shuttle
compact dirge
One idea tho
Maybe you change hatt to eject button healing wish so it can be a pivot
You have a whole lot of setup sweepers, not a whole lot of pivots to get them in safely
sick shuttle
cool idea
normal marlin
more so just fire coverage hits more relevant things
That makes sense
sick shuttle
sick shuttle
You have a whole lot of setup sweepers, not a whole lot of pivots to get them in...
made some changes, got nasty mileage with this team
tera ghost torterra is solid for catching many things off guard (MOSTLY pikachu / maushold)
cut down unnecessary speed on roaring moon, as it wasnt crossing any significant speed tiers in that range
using speedy scream tail for that coverage (considering full offensive for wallbreaking instead)
weather ball gives torkoal slightly more power (it doesn't work in other weathers anyway so no point to flamethrower), rocks because rocks
eq on rayq gives some advantage against pex / clod (mostly clod), and there isn't any better 4th slot i could imagine anyway
currently the only real counter to this team (that ive run into so far) is phys defensive tera (fairy / dark / whatever) clod
compact dirge
Gz, glad ur happy with it
fossil cove
@compact dirge
worthy gull
https://pokepast.es/dc1c57a7aa959903 Hmmm this good?
paper moat
the defensive core here is kinda sketch any quite abusable - electrics like sandy and helec that can beat chomper will troll you
debris chomper should be fine, but you are trolled eternally by either the lack of longevity regen provides or the breaking power download gives
ace trolls the team since +2 lo gunk ohkoes zapdos and then youve lost the fire resist
ill need a second at the team sometime later since im kinda tired, ill give more feedback then
worthy gull
🫡 alr ty
real osprey
https://pokepast.es/dc1c57a7aa959903 Hmmm this good?
Just a quick personal note but i dont think gamits good here since youre negating it with your own azelf, id try some other strong breaker like ogerpon C / H or like weavile, that way you retain speed while also benefitting from terrain rather than being hindered by it
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/c257cec17dc6116c
Zac-C and korai MUs look pretty iffy, as you have no defensive switchins for either without tera. Ogre can kill them but needs to be kept at least 90% hp to ohko zac-c with water spout without tera, which can be hard to do with rocks around. Pex would solve both problems, but it'd be hard to fit without changing the team structure significantly.
How I'd fix this without changing too much would be like this
Corv and ogre are fine as is
Move the spdef evs on amoong to def, and as pandango said above, spore is banned under sleep moves clause, so I'd replace it with toxic and grass knot with giga drain
I'd go cc > tbolt on valiant to pressure steels/spdef switchins and make the tera one of it's stabs probably
Move the atk evs on ting lu to hp, whatever benchmark it hits in ou is irrelevant here, spikes > sr to help ogre with koing zac-c, whirlwind > se, and tera ghost to block spin bc keeping spikes up against zac-c teams is very important
This team isn't offensive enough to justify sash ceruledge, so I think ghold would be a solid fit here to deny hazard removal bc as I said keeping spikes up is very important so ogre can kill zac-c
worthy gull
Just a quick personal note but i dont think gamits good here since youre negatin...
I low-key forgor bout that that's fair
timid meadow
the defensive core here is kinda sketch any quite abusable - electrics like sand...
manaphy is a fire resist...
u can just make it bold (and cinderace hasn't been seen that much anyways)
ogrer probably does fit better since you can actually make progress with it while gambit struggles to break through corv
worthy gull
https://pokepast.es/b3f409377bb6dbde So this but then fix elec MU?
timid meadow
Honestly you can fix the electric matchup by running meloetta > Manaphy
Psychic Knock Off Thunderbolt U-turn
worthy gull
alr fair 🫡. thanks for the help
fossil cove
Zac-C and korai MUs look pretty iffy, as you have no defensive switchins for eit...
https://pokepast.es/c452955baf72f397 like this?
lean lagoon
New Godly Gift player. This is the team come up with. Please share your thoughts
https://pokepast.es/3730be0eb5402140
umbral lavaBOT
New GG RMT @broken kestrel. I won't notify you again for at least 6 hours.
compact dirge
New Godly Gift player. This is the team come up with. Please share your thoughts...
Big issue: you lack any kind of hazard control
lean lagoon
Big issue: you lack any kind of hazard control
How can I fix this?
compact dirge
Fit either corv or tusk on here
Probably corv in hp
compact dirge
https://pokepast.es/c452955baf72f397 like this?
When I said add cc on val, I meant over tbolt, keeping cm, but I suppose this also works
Red Card works on amoong, but may I recommend rocky helmet to chip down korai and other uturn clickers
Tera ghost on ghold for additional breaking power
Otherwise looks good 👍🏻
lean lagoon
Fit either corv or tusk on here
Probably corv in hp
Better than chandelure?
compact dirge
Yes bc you desperately need hazard removal and hp corv is the easiest fit
Chandelure is more of a speed mon anyway
lean lagoon
Chandelure is more of a speed mon anyway
compact dirge
No I didn't mean put tusk in hp
If you were gonna fit tusk it'd either go in spd or speed
But I think hp corv would be easier to fit without messing with your team structure too much
high trellis
Better?
https://pokepast.es/13dedfa4292ead61
Didn't glastrier get high horsepower back
compact dirge
It did
lean lagoon
Didn't glastrier get high horsepower back
Oh, you're right
compact dirge
This team loses pretty hard to zac-c, so we're gonna need some zac-c countermeasures
But rn I'm kinda falling asleep so I'll look at this more tmrw
lean lagoon
This team loses pretty hard to zac-c, so we're gonna need some zac-c countermeas...
How common is zac-c? Doesn't really seem that good?
compact dirge
It's very common and very dangerous
It did get nerfed but it can still sd up and get to +3 rather easily, and that 148 speed is no joke
An answer to it is mandatory
sacred oriole
How common is zac-c? Doesn't really seem that good?
It’s one of the top gods; donating 138 Spe is huge, and it’s extremely potent in its own right
Has a few hard counters like Dirge, but if you account for them, have fun
lean lagoon
For now, this is what I have
https://pokepast.es/223949ae7694bebd
normal marlin
It’s one of the top gods; donating 138 Spe is huge, and it’s extremely potent in...
Oh it donates the base stats? Makes sense compared to mons like giratina i guess, but 120 attack is a lot less that 150 😔
sacred oriole
Godly Gift bases donations on out-of-battle formes
Giratina-O is an out of battle forme, so it donates 120 Attacks
Zac-C is an in battle forme, so you get the out-of-battle Zac-H stats
compact dirge
Yeah, general rule of thumb is it donates the stats of the mon shown on team preview
normal marlin
I couldve sworn zac-c was an out-of-battle form
Dang
doesnt that mean that running Zam-C could be used for the same stat donations but with a funnier mon
sacred oriole
Zama and Zac donate the same stats yes
normal marlin
Got it
upbeat sapphire
timid meadow
@remote bison ball out
compact dirge
@upbeat sapphire use pokepaste
compact dirge
Okay
normal marlin
Are the genders here specifically chosen for any reason or nah
upbeat sapphire
no real reason
normal marlin
Ok
remote bison
<@640339552073940993> ball out
huh
timid meadow
Review that team ^^
timid meadow
Oh is it
remote bison
the accelerock garg…
flint plover
Those are some creative sets, thats for sure, you should probably use something a bit more standard tho, nacl should have knock off and volt switch at least, may also give it stealth rocks as you have no hazards
upbeat sapphire
v.switch???
slim monolith
<@419144992066502656> do you rate convergence?
no i havent played enough to be confident to rate peoples teams, ive literally just been playing with 2 teams the whole time due to my lack of free time overall
upbeat sapphire
theres a pure rock with v.switch???
slim monolith
nosepass