#OM Rates

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high trellis
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Tbh sf its under watch for a reason but this so clearly loses to any bolt beam

acoustic cradle
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what do you think is the most replaceable here?

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i think im okay with taking out ghold

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need another gapdos answer tho

high trellis
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Tbh ghold isnt a gap answer either since one of its most common sets literally runs scrappy but id say to cope running goodrah and complain to me when you get cc'd by like thundurus or hizo

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Or alternatively run like garg!cress

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But idk where youd put it

compact dirge
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Torn lost defog this gen

vast apex
vast apex
compact dirge
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Sounds good

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Ty

vast apex
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you can also tinker with arceus ev’s

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idk if it needs max speed

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you could aim to outspeed something like 306’s

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and dump the rest into HP

compact dirge
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What does 306 outspeed?

urban arch
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nothing

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307 outspeeds things

compact dirge
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I meant, what notable 306s am I outspeeding

urban arch
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harc

sacred oriole
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Uh non-Speed Harc? Kyogre?

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Nothing super common but like, exists ig

golden plinth
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Pretty good, I would have taunt on grim for sure, but that's basically that

surreal portal
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this all seems relatively fine tbh, the only real question i'd have is the kyurem set (ie. why is it timid, is this actually better than mdia, etc)

urban arch
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is this August BH?

surreal portal
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pdon is staying banned and i don't really see the value on outrunning pogre (which only outruns you with its own timid + they're normally minspeed anyway)

surreal portal
bitter wagon
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bitter wagon
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dusk pasture
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I wouldn't advise specs eleki

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you want your move flexibility so never melt ice, boots or lo is better

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aerilate lando is also sus and makes your breaking ability on the team quite poor

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it could be ok speed control but you already have an eleki and a spunch ace

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although I'd prefer hjk or gunk for better coverage onto baked steels or zapdos

urban arch
bitter wagon
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mb and ty for the help

urban arch
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meloetta also should just be minspe

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minspe corv too

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and i don't like rocky helmet cuz it makes you die to too many breakers

bitter wagon
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is there any better physwall in the om?

urban arch
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for?

sacred oriole
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Corv is the most common / best physdef Mon

urban arch
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and yes there are

sacred oriole
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But you still want help with physical fires

urban arch
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intim corv pex some fluffy mons

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never leave home without psea zapdos...

bitter wagon
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Yeah ty guys

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Is there anything that can beat eleki/electrode?

urban arch
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fat spdef stuff in general

bitter wagon
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Ok Melo should be good then

urban arch
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tho they get volted on

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you would like smth to regain the momentum tho

bitter wagon
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I can u turn on their volt no?

urban arch
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they volt on the switch

bitter wagon
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Or you mean they volt on my switch

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Yeah

urban arch
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and bring in their breaker

bitter wagon
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I suppose it's pretty hard to avoid that unless I'm volt absorb on a ice/grass resist

sacred oriole
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If you’re able to keep Electrode from coming in for free too much it’s not a huge deal

bitter wagon
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But that seems too niche to be useful

sacred oriole
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But if you give it infinite free switch ins it will eventually win

bitter wagon
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If get good is the best way to beat it I'm afraid my career my already be over😪

urban arch
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it's ok, it'll take time

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that's all

bitter wagon
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Toxic orb ting lu wait

urban arch
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poison heal is banned tho?

bitter wagon
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Oh

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Nvm

sacred oriole
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I mean it’s not get good, it’s just practice and you’ll learn more

bitter wagon
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Yeah I was half joking

sacred oriole
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Hard walling everything in AAA is impossible, but you can learn how to play around that

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“Offensive pressure” is your best friend

urban arch
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Offensive pressure™

timid meadow
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Yeah that’s why I’m not a fan of stall

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You either can’t cover anything or need something like hazards chomp to do a lot of progress

urban arch
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@ isaiah

timid meadow
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Running hazardless stall seems like you’re throwing

compact dirge
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As clas pointed out in omcord I don't really have any solid zac answers

vast apex
# compact dirge https://pokepast.es/cd0bfdf27aab899a <@394315555277897756>

I think that the HP slot on etern is best used for something that can help with progress in some form. corv works here but I think you could make it something like bulk up, but it does hamper your ability to remove hazards, which is understandably a concern. you can do bulk up with defog or even iron press with defog. alternatively you could run gholdengo in the HP slot with max hp/max def to beat zac 1v1 without crunch and still have corv in the atk/def slot as a pivot with defog. though that messes with your core of baxcalibur + slowking. if you want to preserve the core, I think the simplest solution is bulk up corv in the HP slot and then stack a bunch of hdb on your mons to deal with hazards. or you can keep defog and run a single attack + BU/ID like I previously said. I think great tusks is the larger threat though, but I also think a combination of gholdengo/corv or corv/slowking can handle it just fine. also I think slowking should be boots > lefties since you mainly use it as a pivot anyways

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hmm this isn't entrely necessary either but making one of electrode/eternatus choice specs could also be a cool idea since it pairs very well with future sight since their best checks are both clodsire. you can throw a bomb in specs leafstorm or draco + future sight to potentially remove clodsire with hazards up

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it really depends on your comp/corv set though. if you can more easily deal with hazards, then it's an avenue you can explore. if not then I'd perhaps stick to boots/what you currently have

compact dirge
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I decided to give up the ability to heal 1/8 a turn on bax so it can come in easier

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Maybe I go boots on etern too, tho power from lorb is pretty nice so idk

vast apex
# compact dirge Maybe I go boots on etern too, tho power from lorb is pretty nice so idk

I think you can test it out. I kinda like the synergy of LO etern + future sight into stuff. alternatively specs also works if you wanna try that route. hmm another matter that you can probably test is BU + brave bird/iron head vs IDpress. ID press is probably the single best fix to 1v1 physical attackers like arceus, tusks, zacian etc. BU + attack is good into if you wanna spread your MU's up and have an additional wincon into other things without putting your whole hand onto trying to 1v1 physical threats. I think the team looks fine right now and potential changes would come through testing and personal preference

compact dirge
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I think I like id press to beat zac better

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+2 press can 2hko if zac hits it with wild charge and takes helm chip + wild charge chip

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https://pokepast.es/6518e0a81eff6d0c
I also built this goofy team based on the same concept, probably bad but I wanted to use garg bc salt cure cool, you don't have to rate it if you don't want

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Maybe specs gren would be better, I feel like I need some immediate power

vast apex
# compact dirge https://pokepast.es/6518e0a81eff6d0c I also built this goofy team based on the s...

fix slowking's ability to be regenerator. I think sludge bomb > fire blast here since it lets you 1v1 hatt and lets you fish for poisons vs great tusks, which makes wearing it down a lot easier with salt cure. other than that I think it's fine. I hven't used too much gren, so I'm unsure of what coverage it needs. I feel like switcheroo could be good on it over dark pulse, but you're hardwalled by waters that way. spikes is also an option too I think over there or maybe something like grass knot? I think there's a lot of room for you to experiment with. I think spcs could also work also

compact dirge
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Good catch I didn't realize I left it as curious medicine

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I think grass knot on gren is a good idea

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Better into tusk than hydro if you can get protean to make you a grass type

compact dirge
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Okay so I tested the above team and found that it loses pretty hard to ogre teams

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Is waterceus any good? Bc spdef waterceus could maybe help that mu

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I just really need a water resist that isn't bax/gren

void flame
urban arch
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@paper moat meow

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they'll get to you when they wakes up

void flame
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Don’t know if two sun setter is best there but I don’t wanna use heat rock

void flame
void flame
paper moat
# void flame https://pokepast.es/c524f21130deb51a 350 cup sun team

key things to note in general:

  • lack of hazard removal with 2 fire types means that theyre getting chipped a lot
  • meditite prefers band, also the EVs are weird

overall, cant comment on the mons / playstyle itself since we dont have a ladder yet and just barely have had a few test games here and there

void flame
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idk why the EVs for meditite were like that

paper moat
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giratina probably wont be good

void flame
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yeah

paper moat
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unless it finds a nice

void flame
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whats a good hazard removal mon then?

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toedscuel?

paper moat
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hmm im looking at quaxly as a spinner theoritically

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toeds works prob

void flame
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it does have solar beam which could work out

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high speed, rapid spin, and knock off

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idk what the final slot would be tho

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there is foul play, toxic spikes, toxic, and stun spore

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or earth power, but it only has a 100 base Sp. attack

paper moat
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hmm

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its movepool is quite cool

void flame
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lol

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I think foul play will work out best as its ability makes status moves hard to click with its bad bulk for the tier

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I guess its special bulk is pretty good, buts its physical bulk isnt

paper moat
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it has crazy spdef tho

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yeah

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phys sucks

void flame
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what item would work best?

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I think boots but it should resist stealth rocks already

paper moat
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boots

void flame
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ok

paper moat
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you need spikes immunity

void flame
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what tera type is best for it?

paper moat
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hmm basically 0 healing tho

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probably one of the generic ones

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water / fairy / steel

void flame
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prob water sense it matches better with sun defensively

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over fairy or steel

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resists fire and ice

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That should have the set

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I know hatenna is kinda a better version of hatterrene in this meta but I don't think its bulky enough to use still

paper moat
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beam could work out but id prefer leaf storm

void flame
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ok

lone helm
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Meditite isnt really that bulky/ fast so popular threats can ohko it

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Also ep> foul play on toedscool could be helpful for fire and electric types like mira and other growlithe

compact dirge
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rugged sinew
lone helm
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(karpe dont u dare)

rugged sinew
lone helm
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FUCK u i was typing:((

rugged sinew
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i don't like how you get volted on by every electric

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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and they go into their gapdos/cpao/swing

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and click buttons

lone helm
rugged sinew
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yoko if you want to rate this u can

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:3

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you really can't stop gap from clicking bb

lone helm
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Nah ur better so better rate

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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generally a resist is fine

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hoodra doesn't count

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and yes that means corv is probably fine here

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and it might be a bit hard to get your offense going

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esp since aoa moth kinda flops

compact dirge
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So
What do I replace with corv and should I replace moth or just change the set

rugged sinew
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sflo moth imo

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are you trying to build like spikestack to break the spdef stuff?

compact dirge
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I just like setting up spikes and clicking dragon tail

timid meadow
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Corv is also needed cause the team is otherwise weak to Pao too,

rugged sinew
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yes

timid meadow
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Stuff like Pao and Gapdos really need 2 stuff for it to be sufficient

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Unfortunately

rugged sinew
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wdym 2 stuff

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and also imo quaq and swing really likes rocks to help pressure corv

timid meadow
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There’s no hard counters to it really, the best is forcing 50-50’s with like

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Fire + Corv

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For Pao

rugged sinew
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mhm

compact dirge
timid meadow
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Or stail + Corv for Gapdos

rugged sinew
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is there anything you really want to keep?

timid meadow
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Make the slither wing EQ if you’re adding Corv

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Otherwise the desolate land dirge matchup is not fun

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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intim chomp kinda loses to a lot of stuff

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mainly cpao

compact dirge
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Isaiah told me to use it

rugged sinew
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over fluffy

compact dirge
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When I put this in omcord

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So you think I should go fluffy?

rugged sinew
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no intim > fluffy imo

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on chomp

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cuz fires

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and if you don't want to use corv then you really have to use several slots to fill holes

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i think one way is

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corv over quaq and mglo volcanion over iron moth

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since that breaks super hard

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also consider rocks stail and a different chomp set

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i can see several chomp sets working here

rugged sinew
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Ability: Sword of Ruin  
Tera Type: Dragon  
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpD / 252 Spe  
Jolly Nature  
- Earthquake  
- Liquidation  
- Swords Dance  
- Spikes```
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this is a fun set

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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yes

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or you could do rocks chomp if you want cm stail

compact dirge
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I think I prefer spikes chomp and sr tail

rugged sinew
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idt you really need spikes

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but spikestacking is always broken so sure

compact dirge
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I like having spike yeah

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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wisp is just there to troll quaq and zama lol

compact dirge
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I think I prefer flame charge

rugged sinew
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and it's an ok midground

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yea it's personal preference

compact dirge
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What does volc outspeed at +1

rugged sinew
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393

timid meadow
rugged sinew
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talon kilo zama cb meows

timid meadow
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But ye wisp is helpful

rugged sinew
timid meadow
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Mainly for the special walls

rugged sinew
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and heavy slam to 2hko the stail

timid meadow
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I just realized Volc is ur zama “check” GolbatScream

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Dire

rugged sinew
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yes

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thats' why wisp

compact dirge
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Ig I'll just test it out on ladder

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To see what works

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Wait, does wisp halve the damage of bp or nah

rugged sinew
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yes

compact dirge
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Okay

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Thx besties

dusk pasture
rugged sinew
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wes said in omcord they were fine with it not being stack i think

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i just didn't change the name

dusk pasture
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tbh you kinda just die to special breakers that can break hoodra but shrug

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I guess you have slitherwing to cope the rest are too slow

rugged sinew
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wait why is hoodra flame

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it should be eq

timid meadow
rugged sinew
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or landoi

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just hard chomp

timid meadow
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Ok i think that Mon is a fraud sadly

rugged sinew
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on the np

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it's ok

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like

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i'd bring it to a tour game imooooo......

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only if i'm 1-0

timid meadow
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Idk man seems a bit wonky cause ur really banking on hitting an 80% acc stab in order to break things

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Thundy regular outspeed treads and therian is a nuke

rugged sinew
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?

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just use ep kek

timid meadow
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Iirc you miss some ranges

rugged sinew
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idt u do?

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i ran some calcs on the thing and it's fine

timid meadow
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+2 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Sandsear Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra-Hisui: 367-432 (100.8 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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+2 252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Goodra-Hisui: 330-390 (90.6 - 107.1%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

rugged sinew
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hoodra is usually chipped anyways so i think it's fine

compact dirge
rugged sinew
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now AMRMT yourself

compact dirge
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I have built gg heat in the form of speed slot swing

timid meadow
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Gg.

rugged sinew
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why adamant swing

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this aint aaa

sacred oriole
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Your matchup into calm mind Arceus is very poor

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Probably want Taunt on Torn

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And yeah anything in Koraidon Speed should be +Speed

compact dirge
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But yeah I'll change it to jolly

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Is it okay that I don't have a ground?

sacred oriole
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Not mandatory no

compact dirge
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Yeah I deal with the common vswitchers well enough

swift tree
compact dirge
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Thx

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Kingambit's banned

swift tree
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Oh

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Oops

compact dirge
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Why's tusk helmet if it's spdef?

swift tree
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Ok edited

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Ur still gonna be able to take some physical attacks, lefties is prolly better tho

compact dirge
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I gotta do something rq brb

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Okay so

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A big problem with this team is that zac-c OHKOes or 2HKOes everything here

rugged sinew
swift tree
compact dirge
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Unawares like dirge and clod beat zac

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Tho I'm not sure if they'd fit here

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I like speed dirge but idk if that'd work here

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Also I'd go leaf storm > grass knot on helectrode

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If you went for clod you'd have to put it over torn which makes you lose some offensive pressure but etern, helectrode and gap should be enough

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Tho if you go the clod route I'd make washer bulkier to make up for the fact that clod brings an extra water weakness to the team

swift tree
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So unaware clod over torn and what ev spread would u say for washer?

compact dirge
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Max hp max spdef

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And drop trickscarf ofc

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You could replace trick with twave to help etern and gap get the jump on some things

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For clod I'd do this
Clodsire @ Black Sludge
Ability: Unaware
Tera Type: Poison
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature

  • Recover
  • Earthquake
  • Spikes
  • Toxic
    Your breakers appreciate spikes and toxic chipping stuff
compact dirge
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Actually I think physdef washer might be better
Bc rn your ekiller matchup looks a little rough
Physdef washer can comfortably survive +2 espeed and burn it, which makes it a lot easier for clod to wall it

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Spdef washer can do the same thing but needs at least 70% hp left to live espeed

vast apex
# swift tree https://pokepast.es/8fe6b24734e799b4 as requested <@668850192216358934>

idk if you want advice on this or not, but I'll offer my input anyways I think standard lefties washtom is probably better here and it helps patch up the zacian weakness I feel like. torn-t feels very out of place and would go into the HP slot if anything. you could go corviknight or an unaware mon like clodsire as previously mentioned. LO trode feels a bit funny. I think you'd rather have boots or something like specs here. tusks can be lefties like you said. torn-t in the HP slot and then something like slowking in the def slot also works since it gives you a future sight to pair with your breakers.

vast apex
# compact dirge https://pokepast.es/8f6b1c6768970d8d Hi <@394315555277897756> <@8599925466283376...

I think taunt may be better on the torn-t as well, or you could try CB on koraidon and have that be an offensive check to arceus. though it doesn't OHKO anything and requires hazard support, which may be hard to set up. for that reason I think you can put spikes onto meowscarada if you want to go the CB koraidon route. I think SD koraidon could also pair well it, but I understand the need for scarf. I think you should go jolly slither here for the speed boost, and I think another route you could go is putting harcanine in the atk slot with CB or something like that. the mons slither wing forces in all drop to harcanine, especially under the sun. you can slap CB on it with ada nature and flare blitz under sun basically becomes a tactical nuke. head smash hits everything flare blitz doesn't, and you don't even need to run CB. you could go for something like boots or LO even. wide lens is also not a horrible opton since head smash accuracy is awful and it'll allow you to maximize your turns with harcanine (by not missing)

compact dirge
high trellis
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vast apex
vast apex
high trellis
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the all important 4 evs

cunning cairn
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autumn ivy
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acoustic cradle
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surreal portal
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echo lodge
surreal portal
autumn ivy
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team looks really vulnerable to frogadier for example

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id recommend making shellos spdef

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i dont think meditite fits especially well; it's too frail to switch in and you don't have any defensive pivots to bring it in

acoustic cradle
autumn ivy
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team would also benefit from counterplay to opposing pikachu and dunsparce, maybe replacing pikachu with eelektrik to bring meditite in safely would be the move here

acoustic cradle
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would something like salt cure work as a replacement?

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i think team really would like knock somewhere to help vs ogre but dont have easy ways to improof

surreal portal
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any generic filler move can work tbh, you could go knock on bee and just use griseous core gira improofed by groundceus

acoustic cradle
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gunk poisons would be annoying tho

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or do you mean improof bee with groundceus

surreal portal
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i mean use knock on bee and improof bee with gira, then improof gira with groundceus

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there's not really anywhere else knock can go besides pogre, which you're also going to struggle improofing with

cunning cairn
autumn ivy
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i think keeping meditite and replacing pikachu with eelektrik fixes a lot of problems if you want to stick with this defensive core

robust kindle
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cunning cairn
autumn ivy
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lmk if you have any more problems!

cunning cairn
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will do, thx

acoustic cradle
cunning cairn
# autumn ivy id recommend making shellos spdef

is this spread better? 224 SpD so that frog ice beam is only a 6hko and the 32 def is to switch into tink knock and taking less damage
Shloss (Shellos-East) @ Eviolite
Ability: Sticky Hold
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 248 HP / 32 Def / 4 SpA / 224 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

  • Ice Beam
  • Earth Power
  • Recover
  • Stealth Rock
autumn ivy
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frog 6hko isnt a calc that realistically matters

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find how much defense you need for a certain goal and dump the rest in spdef imo

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like living a +2 eq from gabite or something

cunning cairn
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ah ok, somehow never thought about it like that

paper moat
# robust kindle https://pokepast.es/8caf42b7ca541388 My AAA team ( I can't use Ubers or AG)

am rate:

dont use maus, dont use masq, dont use specs zapdos, dont use triage glowbro. the only decent webs setter is spidops which has better bulk and spikes, memento, circle throw, taunt, etc. cm stail w/o recovery is mid, dragon stab hits virtually nothing on roaring moon, and none of the mons here even benefit from webs too much. you might want to look at smogdex, the VR or sample teams for a general idea of what set x mon runs / what mons are good / how HO works and what an average team looks like. otherwise, you could use webs abusers like sflo thundy-t, NP hoopa-c, MGLO harcanine, ironpress zamac, etc that fits on HO

rugged sinew
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(use specs zapdos if real)

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i think it's def a viable set but yea don't use it here

timid meadow
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Uh

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Masq is fine as a web setter (and might be better rn)

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You actually beat the other two spinners and Corv, just have to run Prim sea

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Also have U-turn

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Nat’s mostly right on their assessments, slower breakers Like Sheer force Hoopa and Sword of Ruin Ceruledge really appreciate webs, Zamazenta also makes for a decent webs abuser since it can invest more into bulk. As for the last two slots I’d probably go with like a magic guard Volcanion as a mixed breaker and beads thundy-T

paper moat
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i mean webs is sketchy overall anyways

timid meadow
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It’s an inherent fish like most Ho’s but i think for current meta with most teams running spinners masq is probably better

rugged sinew
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it does help slow down some midspe and spe ctrl mons

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and it's not that hard to keep up

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but hdb spam so rip

gritty tinsel
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on pixilate

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scream tail

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that looks like a weird set

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ok most of them

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have really weird sets

robust kindle
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So, what do you suggest?

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I'm new in AAA

gritty tinsel
robust kindle
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Thx

rugged sinew
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just not on this team

gritty tinsel
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i dont want people to get the wrong suggestion

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sorry for that

high trellis
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high trellis
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Should i use adamant or jolly on ursh? Do i keep cc or run triple arrows or ice punch to donk clodder?

dull blade
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I feel like clod is way too passive for smth like this

high trellis
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It def is, but i like hazard stack too much

golden plinth
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seems nice otherwise

orchid grove
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https://pokepast.es/f603def963e4411a

BH

Zekrom and Reshiram being on the same team was a coincidence off of how well they bounced off each other offensively, not a theme, just to clear any confusion.

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oak topaz
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How much does FC Fairyceus take from Resh

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Team structure seems fine with the FSR core and some degree of speed control

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I don't like how the Zac-C isn't improofed though

orchid grove
oak topaz
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By not improofed i mean imposter takes full advantage of it, heals up, and trades spikes

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Of which you cannot remove promptly because your removal loses

orchid grove
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I'm not really sure what to even swap Zacian out for is the thing.

oak topaz
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The other thing with the defensive core is you lose to diancie

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Like currently Vc diancie makes one prediction and this team autoloses

orchid grove
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On ladder Diancie actually got pretty walled by Mpert, granted it was shaky.

oak topaz
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252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Ice Scales Swampert-Mega: 162-191 (40 - 47.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Pixilate Diancie-Mega Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Swampert-Mega: 175-208 (43.3 - 51.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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sus

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esp when it gets free turns against zekrom and resh

orchid grove
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Also MegaDia was literally one of the main reasons I had Zac-C so that I could pivot around with Mpert and Zac.

oak topaz
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yeah i see that

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the other possible issue is SNR Ghostceus w/ Jungle

orchid grove
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What's SNR?

oak topaz
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Yveltal helps out but Rev Dance does like 30 after boost

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SImple No Retreat

orchid grove
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Oh

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I'm gonna check how much V-Create would do rq and brb.

oak topaz
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Im finishing some assignment I'll look into the team more closely when I finish

orchid grove
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252 Atk Reshiram V-create vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Arceus-Fairy in Harsh Sunshine: 145-172 (32.6 - 38.7%) -- 99.3% chance to 3HKO

Ngl not as bad as I was expecting but still not pretty

orchid grove
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though ftr from Full Reshi can beat an Imposter of itself, so idt it should need a hard improof in theory, just at least slight backup in case it does.

oak topaz
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Ok I’ve thought about it for a bit

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And idk how you can easily patch up the diancie weakness

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So you’ll just have to play around potential vcreate and keep swampert really healthy

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But I will say that focus blast on ghostceus is pretty worthless

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You are 100% better off with a different move

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Focus blast is going to miss and even if it doesn’t miss will deal no damage to any judg resists

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You can consider moving like spikes from zacc to ghostceus

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Which would help with improofing zacc and offer a better utility option on one of the better speed controls in the meta

fossil cove
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prime bane
dusk pasture
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i suppose it is a bit faster but mmy is more powerful and also has far better mixed stats

surreal portal
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yeah on top of this mzam being pretty heavily outclassed it also has a really poor moveset

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on this team zekrom should also likely be sword of ruin with 3 phys attacks or adapt with sap over v-create, but both of these seem pretty stuck against imp and fc arc-fairy

surreal portal
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i think the main issue with this team is that you have something that gets its utility from gambit (lunala) without having gambit, in addition to dodgy hazard control meaning it won't remain a threat for very long

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so stuff like scales ogre can kinda just sit there and wait for you to die

surreal portal
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that's the thing in general, idt lunala is really that good of a fit on a balance

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specifically becayse you need stuff to take advantage of no prank

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yeah but the tradeoff is either have just a sweeper or have something that might have to gambit on a dark

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there's no inbetween really

balmy zenith
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https://pokepast.es/d028de76f496e1b6
first run at a 2v2 team basically in 10 years using concepts i like rather than good concepts, really looking for any upgrades but i wanna keep a support thundurus and contrary assault vest enamorus

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dusky abyss
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This is doubles OU, not 2v2

balmy zenith
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sorry that is what i meant

swift tree
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Put it in the Doubles OU rate channel

late laurel
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@oak topaz @surreal portal

dusk pasture
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@surreal portal @oak topaz

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oop

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im not an expert at bh but shouldn't you have knock off somewhere

late laurel
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Ye thats what nat told me

oak topaz
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as a stall looking team there are some major issues

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  1. you don't have imposter
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  1. as mentioend no knock
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imposter also kind of just does extremely well

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like if they have something like spin yveltal you just lose because they can keep hazards off

late laurel
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who do i replace with who

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maybe i can do a lil bit of role compression somewhere

oak topaz
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the objective is hazard stack stall right

late laurel
oak topaz
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hm neither me or tea are experts on this

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i know someone who is

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but hes not in this cord

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let me see if i can get him

late laurel
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theyre all pretty important to the team idk

surreal portal
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yeah i'm not the stall guy but the most changeable slot here for a knock guy would likely be arc-fairy here. most stall teams rely on completely nullfiying any impact imposter can have and winning against it long-term so measures that more directly punish imp like multiple knocks, mortal spin, or trapping may be useful

late laurel
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clerics pretty valuable to me n my gameplan

surreal portal
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knock on arc is useful but it won't single-handedly solve the imp issues, as even without eviolite there's nothing to stop it just sitting in front of you and farming recovery

late laurel
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i see

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what do i do abt being impostor weak while still being able to answer status

surreal portal
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trapping and/or lots of hazards which you can block imp from reversing

late laurel
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also mortal spin mbounce mage is impostor proof riiight

surreal portal
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you stop imp from clearing hazards yes

late laurel
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got it ty ill rebuild

tired cave
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Stall bh main here, can help wit building unless king n tea got it

rugged sinew
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no way it's tttech in smogcord

tired cave
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Omigawd, its karp my fav person i secretly don't tell any1

late laurel
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@tired cave yoo i got this rn

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tired cave
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So u doin hazard stack stall?

late laurel
tired cave
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There's 3 approaches to hazard stack stall (or stall in general in bh): generic (has imp), mg stall, or bounce stall. Lookin at the team, things id change would be nuzzle on dozo to mspin because unless ur using imposter, u shouldn't be using nuzzle since nothing will be fast enough to take advantage of being faster nor do enough dmg to KO unless they're extremely low from hazards. Entrainment on tina should be wisp or encore to cripple phy attacks or cause disruption (i personally prefer wisp cuz its jus better team support since it'll help ur team tank hits from phys mons). Id go rspin instead of nuzzle on dialga for the same reason as dozo. Arc could be something like this:
Arceus @ Flame Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
Tera Type: Normal
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

  • Dragon Dance
  • Strength Sap
  • Knock Off
  • Facade
    Could work? Could also take out dd for salt cure. At least imp aint gone be havin fun vs this thing. Makes more sense to have at least 1 mg mon in current meta for stall. These r jus minor things id change, i can also paste u my stall so u can get an idea of how i build mines at least
oak topaz
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Taking notes

high trellis
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is it specifically flame orb to not get parad

late laurel
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Also id like to see a paste yea

tired cave
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Stall don't care about para's since u slow anyway

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It'll only matter when u get haxed on a turn u got right but couldn't cap on

high trellis
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dont you have like other fine normal attacks

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like you could coil + pop bomb

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and run lefties

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no wait youre mg you can literally run double edge

prime bane
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@surreal portal figured itd be okay to rate since i changed half the team

late laurel
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  • i think with mg flame orb cleric arc is fine because chansey cant touch it if it ever copies any of my other members
  • i kept nuzzle on dozo cause status hax can be helpful in dire situations
  • might be a rlly bad decision but i replaced mage with mdino cause i pivot between mbouncer and dialga a lot, n having shared weaknesses hurts
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late laurel
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yo rightclicker wdyt of my team that is probably still bad

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this is so sad 😢

late laurel
late laurel
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😢

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oh true

tired cave
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Yea, but it still works lol

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Stall doesn't change much between gens unless there's drastic changes

tired cave
late laurel
tired cave
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Yea looks fine, id jus change the arc set to something like baneful to salt cure, wish to strength sap or whatever recovery move u want, and heal bell to something else like toxic, mspin (another removal), spirit break (slow down spatk mons), or spirit shackle (trap imp/mons wit no pivot move) prob have more success wit shackle or mspin. Team is weak to kart but u can play around it if it's banded between dozo, tina, n dialga

dusk pasture
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bh

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only version of the team i've been half satisfied with

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kyurem-b is the main point of the team and i decided to swap to sor instead of moldy

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double fur coat is probably not needed tbh! but i was too lazy to change the arc-fairy when converting my improof

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giratina is an odd ice scales mon but i wanted a ghost type so i can spinblock if they have rapid spin or impostor copies my fairyceus and my icescales slot was the free slot basically (it was miraidon before)

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mainly focused around getting chip and hazards until kyu-b can get in and hopefully break

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audino helps with giratina ghostceus mu and also can sapblock fc fairyceus and ghostceus

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team is a bit passive which can be annoying but shrug

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can lead to annoying sequences where the diancie just keeps clicking boomburst on my regi

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i could use gigaton or like knock to help but ahh salt cure my beloved

dusk pasture
high trellis
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shouldnt you run like relaxed over impish on doxo

dusk pasture
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oop

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probably

high trellis
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also is the higher bp of assstral necesary to justify over other ghost stab options

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like maybe infernal parade or bitter malice could be good there

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the pp is what bothers me

dusk pasture
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maybe

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astral immediately killing the psychics is nice

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also cinched a game for me by killing a cocky ghostceus

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im kinda sad gf nerfed glacial lance to 120

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10 extra bp is always nice...

surreal portal
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so the main issue i can see with this team is how lopsided it is; only kyub can really make major progress

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meaning stuff like fc arc-fairy, slowbro, or dozo can sorta just sit in and stop you winning

prime bane
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i overall havent rly used gigaton on yvel looking back

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made it volt switch

surreal portal
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yeah this seems mostly fine tbh, the only major concern is glacial lance users like protean mmx but these can be outplayed with fairyceus and mlix

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would likely go for dragon energy on etern tho

prime bane
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yea main issues have rly been kyub and those mf prot mmx and deo a's

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deo a is the reason i went for phero

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as mbee doesnt outspeed deo a and that made me sad

oak topaz
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Is Fairyceus the MMX improof, if it is then idk if its a reliable improof because imposter can sap for free and then burn recovery with Steel Beam

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(Also any reason its CC instead of HJK?)

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Steelix set is standard but you don't have an improof, imposter will trade rocks and knock for eternity because none of your mons really want to take a Knock or even the Gigaton

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Other things seem fine

oak topaz
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Defensively as you mentioned vulnerable to Diancie

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Which is generally what happens when the scales is fairy weak

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Non-Vc coverage diancie in particular seem to just win by 2hkoing registeel and 2hkoing everything else

orchid grove
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orchid grove
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Consider this my random pop back into AAA out of nowhere for the month

dusk pasture
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that being said i haven't had that much issue

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salt cure, hazards, mortal and knock spam can help to chip down and reduce checks

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and mbounce can even troll sap fur coat

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even when sometimes i just throw my kyurem-b due to not scouting i can just win off that chip gameplay alone which is funny

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headlong diancie is annoying but no one runs it so i can cope

oak topaz
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Oh i know

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Ladder gets worn down by long games and starts misplaying horribly

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I've won games using a team with basically no good wincon and it also doesn't have hazards

timid meadow
oak topaz
timid meadow
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You still hit the targets you want (Talon/Prim Sea Zap) but also hit Levitate Treads and Lando

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Which is nice for a hazard setter like chomp

dusk pasture
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you can always win faster™️ i guess

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hm lets see what can i replace dozo with

orchid grove
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This was intended to be on the more offensive side but since this is a lot bulkier in nature than most AAA stuff I suppose that's fair.

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Fire Spam + Phys Ice Breaker is an awesome core I'd like to try and keep though so I'll see what I can do.

dusk pasture
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i mean it's fine to have a sketch defensive core

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i'm just the type to either

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6 pivot or go safe balanced cores

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personally

timid meadow
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It’s fine enough for ladder

orchid grove
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Oh yeah ik, I'm just trying to make it more consistent.

timid meadow
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You just our offense

merry sapphire
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co

dusk pasture
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heatran/volc i dont find great on more fast paced teams but i mean i dont see why they couldn't work

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hit hard and kill faster

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also @oak topaz could i just like put a deo-a here and cope with regi as my improof

oak topaz
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uhhhhh

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you probably can

orchid grove
oak topaz
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but it should try to ohko the fcs

dusk pasture
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hm

oak topaz
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so like edrift is probably fine

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if you want a more defensive presence you can consider something like idk

dusk pasture
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hmm

oak topaz
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judgment lunala or smth i never used that set but

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idt flower trick hits anything

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like your special moves will do mroe

dusk pasture
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i like ohkoing pogre but yeah

oak topaz
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oh right pogre forgot about him

dusk pasture
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i could shift to keeping the defensive aspect of the team still

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preferably would want to add a 2nd fairy check that doesn't die to headlong and can make progress

oak topaz
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hm

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MG hooh

dusk pasture
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everytime i've used ho-oh it has felt awful

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but i guess i can try

oak topaz
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the improof is a bit shaky though

dusk pasture
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i mean

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what would even run on ho-oh

oak topaz
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on my team its stabs tidy sap

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improofed by fc mirai

dusk pasture
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i can just run v-create with utility moves tbh

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and then regi can improof

oak topaz
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hm you can also consider the funny

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chary

dusk pasture
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charizard y?

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real

oak topaz
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i think it soft checks diancie

dusk pasture
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lets see the calc

oak topaz
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252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 172-203 (47.7 - 56.3%) -- 85.9% chance to 2HKO

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This pokemon is ass

dusk pasture
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lmao

oak topaz
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252 SpA Life Orb Pixilate Diancie-Mega Boomburst vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 148-175 (41.1 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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Highly sus pokemon

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Do not use

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Without Triage

dusk pasture
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i guess ho-oh it is

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hm i like keeping my hazards up but lets see

oak topaz
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You can swap out tidy up

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i ran it as secondary removal

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252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Ho-Oh: 790-931 (112.2 - 132.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Real?

dusk pasture
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no way...

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is that chansey bulk

oak topaz
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need to knock evio somehow

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252+ Atk Life Orb Ho-Oh Head Smash vs. +1 252 HP / 252 Def Ho-Oh: 530-624 (75.2 - 88.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Otherwise needs a bit of chip

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the other alternative for a diancie check that doesn't die to headlong would be like

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aerilate celesteela

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but that is bordering on WMOT

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stuff like ferro and scizor are too defensive obv

dusk pasture
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maybe i should spam utility moves on this thing again

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a cleric would be nice i dont want chansey coming in to take free heal bell as well

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maybe head smash is real

oak topaz
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actually you can probably get away with no head smash

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by running sun recovery

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and something that annoys imposter enough

prime bane
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@oak topaz i think i used this to beat someone u were spectating but thoughts?

acoustic cradle
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oh this looks so cool

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i have no idea if its actually good or what pogre can do and id probably edit poisonceus

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but ill leave it to chess for a proper rate

oak topaz
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Cool team

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Your removal is a bit sus

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Mono mortal on a mon that doesn't beat any steel type

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I'm not sure how well I feel about Flare Boost in current meta when there are more mons that viably outspeed Flutter

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And special bulk stuff like Kyogre and Hooh kind of just eat

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Tinglu should probably be max atk you aren't sap blocking anything with it anyways and it can deal good amount of chip

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Ultra is no evs max ivs, i think you want to pick one?

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Not sure how important PP is for Kyogre, since you already have wisp you can consider Origin Pulse i think

compact dirge
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Originally I had more sun abusers so maybe I'll drop heat rock

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And go band korai for more power

vast apex
compact dirge
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Will do

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Thx

compact dirge
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What's spdef washer for specifically, may I ask?

vast apex
# compact dirge What's spdef washer for specifically, may I ask?

your team already handles physical threats very well between corv, skeledirge, tusks, and wisp on two mons. washtom being spdef lets you better switch into kyogre mainly but also other stuff like arceus formes without taunt or other stuff like eternatus. it is mainly a blanket check for spdef mons to help get twaves off vs them + it's also fairly good into opposing HP slot mons like other washtoms or torn-t which could annoy your corv/skeledirge otherwise

prime bane
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i dont need damage on knock so its nice that the ting lu improof and flutter improof get to be sturdier

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i kinda didnt know what to put for arc poison, maybe cm judgment ground + mortal spin?

orchid grove
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oak topaz
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This team should work fine

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It remarkably similar to a team that I have

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Which had Fairy Zac-c Zyg instead of Kart Lix Ground

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Main issue is that steelix doesn't have an improof?

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i ran flare blitz on my hooh fwiw but thats just a preference thing i think

high trellis
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heck im not even sure if reveleki is the ideal blow up mon

compact dirge
high trellis
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at the cost of speed, like tinted/protean azelf can also lure goodrah and the like

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and unlike it, theres no stinky va corber or whatever

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252 SpA Life Orb Electrode-Hisui Chloroblast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Garchomp: 185-218 (44 - 51.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

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this is like pretty bad

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and its not unrealistic for teams with regen chomp to carry like future donphan to cover for fridge eleki

tawdry haven
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What is OM rates?

paper moat
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team rates for OMs

tawdry haven
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What is OM?

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What format?

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OU?

paper moat
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other metas

tawdry haven
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Ooh ok

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Sorry then

paper moat
tawdry haven
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Could you help me with a OU team?

paper moat
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wrong channel

compact dirge
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quartz dirge
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you're missing 8 ev's on moltres

compact dirge
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Oop mb

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Imagine those were in spa

compact dirge
compact dirge
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To give me an out against faster stuff if dialga catches a knock

sacred oriole
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Couple of things:

  1. Tera is banned
  2. Moxie and Grim Neigh are bad abilities, you’d rather use immediate amp like Hadron Engine and Sword of Ruin
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Maus is extremely weak without Technician, that should be replaced as well

coral pecan
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He can't miss

sacred oriole
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Yes, but it’s 50% weaker than standard play

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In a meta where everything else got stronger

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Wide Lens + Technician is just better, and still not good

void flame
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Yeah

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Even stench as a gimmick is really bad cause it’s purely luck based and even then does little damage

high trellis
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even with tech wide lens it isnt that strong

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and its still suseptible to helmet

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and when it wants to cover for the helmet issue you either become even weaker or unreliable

acoustic cradle
high trellis
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I like pblades on defensive lando bc it notably lets you ohko clod from full

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You get more opportunities to do that than youd think

acoustic cradle
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i dumdum

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np or focus on ghold? is focus worth using for gambit?

high trellis
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I would beat gambler by baiting it with something else

dull blade
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Ur team isn't overly weak to gambit

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If ur really scared of gambit u can easily slap body press on corv

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Also sub is important on volc imo

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So pex can't mortal spin u

acoustic cradle
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what would i replace it with tho

dull blade
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But u can also drop ep

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Ep is probably better to drop

sage rose
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compact dirge
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Okay so a few things for the sets

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If you wanna go the extreme speed route on arceus I'd make it ekiller, otherwise drop espeed for recover

sage rose
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I'll do that, if im gonna use recover should i ev it to be a bit more bulky? i like some speed for twave and taunt, but idk how fast i need to be to twave threats

compact dirge
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Actually I was gonna say ice beam over twave so you have something to hit flyings

sage rose
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so taunt, recover, ice beam, judgement

compact dirge
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Yeah

sage rose
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what about the other sets?

compact dirge
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Make corv either impish or relaxed with 0 speed ivs for the slowest uturn

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And replace iron head with bb

sage rose
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im using iron head to hit fairies harder, i have several fairy weak mons but dont really want to replace them

compact dirge
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True

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Still, bb threatens entry hazard setters like great tusk and spikes meowscarada, and corv loses to the common fairies like hatt and enam anyway bc of mystical fire

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Unless you tera ofc

sage rose
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hrm

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makes sense

compact dirge
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And also not that it's important but hammurott is missing 4 evs

sage rose
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is any of the other mons outclassed by another mon or any role commpression i could do?

compact dirge
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I think you might want a different spa slot other than garchomp

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Helectrode stonks just went up since it can tera ice now

sage rose
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Helectrode gets walled by steel tho, and a lot of my team doesnt like steel

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ig thunderbolt still hits steel, but not really hard enough imo

compact dirge
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Give bax eq so it can hit steels

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If you wanna go band bax I'd do glaive/icicle crash/eq/ ice shard or coverage

sage rose
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so replace aqua tail

compact dirge
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Yeah

sage rose
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should i change tera then?

compact dirge
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Or you could go dd to outspeed things like non scarf korai

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And receivers

compact dirge
sage rose
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k

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so whats the electrode-h set?

compact dirge
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Tbolt/leaf storm/vswitch/tera blast ice or ground if you wanna hit steels

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Max max with boots

sage rose
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k, thx

compact dirge
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Np

sage rose
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aftermath as ability right?

compact dirge
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Use static

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Aftermath is a little too situational

sage rose
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k

compact dirge
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And one last thing

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I'd go knock > aqua jet on hammurott since with scarf you outspeed most stuff anyway

sage rose
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👍

compact dirge
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With all that it should be good

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Sorry if I kinda rambled lol

sage rose
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no its all good, thx for all the help

compact dirge
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Also if you wanted to on arc you could drop taunt for cm, but fast taunt is nice so you could keep it if you want

sage rose
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its my best way of dealing with tanks rn because i dont know what on my team beats what tanks, hazard of being new to the meta

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plus its also just good

compact dirge
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Cool then you could keep it

atomic lotus
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dusk pasture
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does fsight actually do anything

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i've never seen it used very well in bh with max EVs

wise iron
atomic lotus
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it does 30 to fairyceus

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if i click gigaton on the switch they die

dusk pasture
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genuinely surprises me

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anyway if you're desperate put like a primordial sea steel type and that usually does the trick for kartana

atomic lotus
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free doom desire smh…

dusk pasture
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or change your fc mon

atomic lotus
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ig cope w/ more spikes…

dusk pasture
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i dont believe in fsight

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i built a somewhat similar team and it does fine without fsight and just spamming hazards/mortal/salt/knock

atomic lotus
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so you have no way of making progress except for direct damage

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is what im getting

atomic lotus
# wise iron I need help with my Balanced hackmons team https://pokepast.es/f6ecf11e9070ed81

u got some p big issues here
kart, mlix & clodsire (and probably ashgren but i’m not sure) isn’t improofed
mono-sap healing on both your prank & fc that can’t beat specially based spdefs at all is ultra sus
you have no real spdef mon and gets steamrolled by the morbillion ones rn (mlix is sturdy but not enough for a sole special wall, esp since you can’t immediately heal)

dusk pasture
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what i am saying is that hazards/mortal/salt/knock is pretty broken on its own

atomic lotus
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i mean that’s the nature of em, this tier is ultra fat based

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obvs spike stacking, poison spamming and 12/25 chip every turn is gonna be valuable

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(and knock)

dusk pasture
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so i dont see that much need for focus on fsight

atomic lotus
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ok but have you considered that it would be funny

dusk pasture
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if you want to keep it so badly you can replace chansey for smth dumb like primsea steels

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you could also win faster™️ but your team is so slow i doubt it can

atomic lotus
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you know, sure

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i’m gonna go build shit HO rn

dusk pasture
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that is not what i meant

atomic lotus
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and win in 3 turns

wise iron
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@atomic lotus

surreal portal
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i don't think fsight is really necessary for mchomp as the things that wall it out can still do so relatively fine even with fsight

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poor kart matchup is just a symptom of using mbro, nothing you can really do about it unless you sack off imp for smth like mirai (you need a regenvest for slow pivoting purposes)

surreal portal
oak topaz
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Also no steel = you will hate yourself for that

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and max atk on ygod idk what you are trying to sapblock with 131 attack

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you probably also want at least one cloak user otherwise you will hate it

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also i don't see the yveltal improof

oak topaz
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fairyceus wants to be timid generally

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ashninja i think you don't want to reduce edrift power

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steelix isn't improofed

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its completely bait for imposter to come in and click buttons

acoustic cradle
surreal portal
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i think mirai MU can go either way but does resh actually out-dps imp provided they start at the same boost level

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also idt giratina effectively stops imp from using heal ball bc it's just so fat

acoustic cradle
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though imp cannot switch into growth

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yeah i realized that would i run sap on tina?

surreal portal
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sap may be necessary yes

acoustic cradle
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ok

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uhh

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is hazardless ok for the team?

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since i can run spikes on steelceus if i want to

quartz dirge
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@atomic lotus mkmkkkm

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Mb

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I pinged on accident

slim monolith
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uh

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death.

wise iron
wise iron
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@oak topaz

oak topaz
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what s the improof

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wait you are rapid on fairyceus

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ok then timid isn't as necessary

wise iron
oak topaz
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you get knocked and stone axed

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off the top of my head i feel like vcreate does like 50 to imp without evio

wise iron
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What about ice scales Primal Kyogre

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It resists fire type and water type attacks for steelix

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And water is super effective against fire types that wall arceus fairy

wise iron
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@oak topaz

wise iron
paper moat
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idt steam is good at all

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scald has more PP

wise iron
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anything else?

wise iron
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@paper moat

paper moat
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i dont really play BH so i cant go indepth sorry

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doesnt look like you have a way to deal with imp --> mlix and preventing it from setting up rocks

atomic lotus
atomic lotus
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so you improof em with like

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hazard removal + cloak

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or smth

wise iron
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hazard removal and cloak on the same mon?

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or separate ones

atomic lotus
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same mon

wise iron
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which move on kyo should be replaced with mortal/rapid spin

atomic lotus
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haze can prolly go

wise iron
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mortal or rapid

atomic lotus
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rapid spin definitely

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since your goal’s improofing mlix

wise iron
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makes sense

acoustic cradle
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third time's the charm?

dull blade
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Roost is better on washtom bc it's more consistent and can't be blocked

compact dirge
vast apex
# compact dirge https://pokepast.es/6cc43ce805c939cb Hi <@394315555277897756>

I’m not a fan of scarf etern since it’s so easily walled and scouted. I think you can make it LO 3A or 2A with toxic/recover and that’d work better. if you want speed control, you can go scarf greninja in the spA slot. it gives you spikes to pair with heatran, and you can make something random tera ghost to spin block. regidrago is a bit tricky since tera fairy just stops it, but I think that hazard support + future sight is prob the best way to get it in

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also I think that tera grass is probably a better defensive tera on heatran

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I think you could use a tera fairy somewhere on the team as well. either great tusks or slowking works fine with that

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eternatus is also a good option as well

compact dirge
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What would you suggest be the ghost

vast apex
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slowking is probably the best one since it’s your best switch into tusks (and by extension most spinners)

compact dirge
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Just realized Slowking was the wrong nature lol

oak topaz
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kyogre pressures imp lix more but i don't see what kyu-w is doing here

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ashninja is primarily walled by fcs so kyuw doesn't really help with that

oak topaz
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if you drop haze you insta lose to stuff like palko which you already had a bad mu

oak topaz
vast apex
fossil cove
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fossil cove
umbral lavaBOT
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surreal portal
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not having that good of an option into crash mmx is also a little dodgy since if these teams can pressure imp well you're in an unfavoured dps race

fossil cove
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crash mmx...?

rugged sinew
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heat crash mega mewtwo x

surreal portal
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lumina crash

rugged sinew
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oop

fossil cove
atomic lotus
surreal portal
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yes

fossil cove
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nice ok

rugged sinew
surreal portal
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boomburst/knock isn't really imposter-proofed (pogre doesn't want to lose its item), so it might end up being volt switch

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life orb hjk also beats non-fc yveltal so it might be easier still to use a harder check like an arceus forme or lunala

rugged sinew
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you might want stone edge last on zamac

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otherwise looks fine i think

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no elec immune is annoying tho i think

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could also be cpao weak

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i'm not too well versed on ho

paper moat
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Ham doesnt look very good on HO, id go for another SD user like Chien

talon on HO is odd, it doesn't use screens very well

scream tail doesnt do enough damage to appreciate screens enough, id go for thundyT (and remove thundy i)

dont run max atk zamac w/o sedge

overall your choice of abusers is kinda sketch, they dont really fit on screens HO.

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thundy I could work

rugged sinew
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pixiboom isn't bad on ho i think

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therian is garbage dont use it

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underspeeding iron moth isnt worth it

paper moat
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its not consistent enough to do well on HO

rugged sinew
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use 3a

paper moat
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(pixi

rugged sinew
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if u want to use it

paper moat
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yeah that works better but still not super worth it

fossil cove
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ok ty

wise iron
fossil cove
compact dirge
wise iron
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@oak topaz

high trellis
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Lets you set up on physical stuff more consistently

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Like you wont like it when it doesn't burn 3 times in a row

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And it also helps scout covert cloaks

cunning cairn
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cunning cairn
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also gholdengo's ev spread is to eat sylveon boom

high trellis
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Pick either infernal parade or bitter malice to run over shadow ball

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Infernal is hex + scald, but its inconsistent in nature

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Amd bitter malice always lowers attack and its 5 bp weaker than shadow ball

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Idk if i like chesnaught

cunning cairn
sage rose
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vast apex
# compact dirge But then it gets walled by waters

you're gonna end up being walled by something unless you go 4A, and I personally think being able to hit dragons SE/ice coverage is more preferable, but if the team ends up struggling vs slowbro or waters then I think you can swap it back or put another coverage move

vast apex
# sage rose GG RMT https://pokepast.es/e6111bfaa72705ed (HP is a pretty random slot btw)

this team is a bit all over the place with not much real cohesion. are you going for a stall or a really bulky balance? giratina is reserved for stall mainly, but if you want the balanced spread then finding an arceus that fits your team is better. I think answer that first, and then we can more easily help you once we know the direction you're intending to go with this

compact dirge
sage rose
compact dirge
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That could work I think

sage rose
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I was thinking arcues ground to help beat clods, a calm mind set probably, is that good? or is there something else I should focus on dealing with.

compact dirge
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Stomping Tantrum > Double Edge on glas

sage rose
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should I keep scarf, or is band stronger at 120 speed

compact dirge
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I think I like sd here

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Though maybe that'd be stacking up on too many setup sweepers

sage rose
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I was about to point out that 2/3 of my team would be set-up then, band could make it a wallbreaker right?

vast apex
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your team is very susceptible to hazards keep that in mind. you may need to run boots spam

vast apex
sage rose
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it is? only one rocks weak and only one spikes weak

vast apex
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your entire team is weak to hazards except cresselia

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and you don’t have any removal. you can put corviknight in the HP slot, but defog is very easy to disrupt. I’d have corviknight in the HP slot anyways to sponge knock off and to still have removal in the events you can get it off or need to

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arceus, clodsire, and dozo get farmed by spikes, especially if you’re on the backfoot and are constantly switching. corv and cresselia get chipped by rocks and can eventually die if they’re too low

sage rose
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i was gonna put corv in HP, should i run boots on dozo/clod? I kinda want lefties on cress.

compact dirge
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I'd do boots on dozo yeah

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And clod too bc it's gonna be switching in a lot

sage rose
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and should I run band arcanine-h in speed slot?

compact dirge
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Yes

sage rose
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k

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CC, head smash, flare blitz, and what?

vast apex
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espeed, head smash, flare blitz, wisp/morning sun

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you don’t need anymore than those 3 really for attacks

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or you could put a filler attack

sage rose
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wisp on band?

compact dirge
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Harc forces switches so it gets opportunities to spread burns

vast apex
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you’re not gonna click anything but the aforementioned 3 attacks 99% of the time but it does let you annoy something that does try to switch in and could let you chip stuff down

sage rose
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k

vast apex
sage rose
compact dirge
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Ice beam over flame on arc imo so you can hit birbs

vast apex
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I’d put eq on dozo over sleep talk maybe. you’re walled by clodsire otherwise

sage rose
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ok, thx guys

compact dirge
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Np

wise iron
oak topaz
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mono special deoa isnt very good

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you mainly are looking for stuff that can help with ashninja against the stuff that check it

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such as fc fairy and mirai

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unfortunately you don't really have a great atk complementary that beats both

wise iron
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Is glaive rush a possible option?

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Or maybe replace chloroblast with moonblast/magical torque

oak topaz
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uh idk if deo is the correct fit here

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because people don't typically rely on fcs to check deo